November 29, 2024 • 11 mins
(This episode uses AI voice over) What fascinates us about UFOs and the unexplained? Join us as we explore the captivating experiences of Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell—two celebrities with stories that challenge our perceptions of the unknown. Imagine Goldie, in the 1960s, witnessing beings with triangular heads while napping, sparking a lifelong curiosity about the mystical. Fast forward to 1997, and Kurt, alongside his son, witnesses the famous Phoenix Lights while piloting a plane, a sighting that comes alive through audio recordings with air traffic control. These personal tales add a human touch to the broader UFO narrative, blending the personal with the public and illustrating how our fascination with the mysterious is as timeless as it is intriguing.
As we hear their stories, we delve into the evolving conversation surrounding UFOs and the significance of approaching each sighting with an open mind. With growing attention from governments and scientists alike, we're entering a new era of UFO discourse. Goldie and Kurt's experiences challenge stereotypes and highlight the need for credible evidence, encouraging us to embrace the unknown. This isn't just about finding answers but about maintaining a sense of wonder and exploration. Through their narratives, we are reminded of our collective curiosity and the endless possibilities that await discovery in the cosmos.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, so get this.
We're diving into somecelebrity UFO encounters today.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh wow, yeah, Sounds fun, I know right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And, specifically, we're looking at two stories
that I think are reallyinteresting, and not just
because they're about famouspeople.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
But because of what they kind of reveal about how we
all experience things that wecan't explain.
Plus, there's a cool twist Okay, these two celebrities are
actually married.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, wow, okay, I'm intrigued now.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Right Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, those are some big names, you know, right, yeah
?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And they both had these very public encounters,
that kind of tap into thatfascination we have with UFOs.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, for sure.
I think that's something that alot of people are fascinated by
.
For sure, yeah.
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Let's start with Goldie Hawn's story.
Okay, because it happened wayback in the 1960s.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
When she was a young dancer, California.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And she's described this moment where she's looking
at the stars and she's feelingsuper connected to the universe
and it's almost like she'ssending a message out there.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And that's when things get weird.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah.
So what's intriguing about heraccount is that it starts with
this like cosmic wonder, youknow, yeah, but then it quickly
shifts into something way moreconcrete.
Oh, she's taking a nap in afriend's car in West Covina.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hears a high-pitched sound, uh-huh, and then sees
these beings, okay, withtriangular heads and silver
bodies.
Wow, I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So she describes it as feeling very real, right and
very physical, uh-huh, like nohazy, dreamlike state.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
She remembered vivid details.
Hmm, yeah, she remembered vividdetails, and not just the
being's appearance.
Yeah, she talks about them,pointing at her.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And making this droning sound.
Almost like they were trying tocommunicate somehow.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, and this pointing gesture is actually
something that's come up in alot of close encounter
narratives.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, it suggests intent, like an attempt to
connect.
You have these beings that seemso alien, so technologically
advanced, but then there's thisfeeling of intense love and
connection.
Right, it's almost paradoxical.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Totally, and this is where the real deep dive begins.
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How do we make sense of these like seemingly
contradictory elements?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Are they psychological responses to a
traumatic event?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Or is there something more at play?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And for Goldie, this experience definitely had like a
lasting impact.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
She's become very open about her belief in the
unknown, you know, embracing themystery of it all, which makes
me wonder how did her husband,Kurt Russell, react to all of
this?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Because he has his own famous UFO story right.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Absolutely, and his story is about as different from
Goldie Hawn's as you can get.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, it's not a personal intimate, intimate
encounter.
It's a mass sighting thePhoenix lights Right.
Thousands of people saw thoselights in the sky back in 1997.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but Kurt Russell wasn't just some random
guy on the ground.
He was actually flying a planewith his son when they saw those
lights.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He described it as six orbs in a V formation just
hanging there over the airport.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's crazy yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And here's what makes his account so compelling Okay.
We have the audio recording ofhim reporting the lights to air
traffic control.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh, wow, so this is real.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And you can hear the confusion, yeah, the awe in his
voice.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
He's not some UFO fanatic, right, he's a seasoned
pilot.
Right, trying to make sense ofwhat he's seeing.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, Like what is going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So even someone used to observing the skies, you know
someone trained to be rationaland focused Right, Is shaken by
this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Makes you wonder what was going through his mind when
he saw those lights.
Yeah, even though KurtRussell's encounter happened
decades after Goldie Hawn's,they both tap into this human
need to try to make sense ofthings that we just can't
explain.
Yeah, totally, and with thePhoenix Lights you had thousands
(04:03):
of people experiencing thistogether.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Which adds a whole other layer to it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
It's not just one person's wordagainst the world, it's a
collective experience.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Exactly, and the Phoenix Lights, you know, they
became this major event, notjust in like UFO circles, but in
pop culture as well.
Oh for sure, like books,documentaries, even a movie was
made about it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Which speaks to that fascination we have with these
large scale sightings.
Yeah, it captures theimagination in a way that
individual encounters sometimesdon't.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
For sure.
But even with all thosewitnesses and all that attention
, the Phoenix lights remain amystery.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Some people say it was military flares, others
suggest atmospheric phenomena,but none of those explanations
really satisfy everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Especially those who were there and saw those lights
with their own eyes.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I know there are a lot of theories about government
cover-ups and things like that,but even without going down
that rabbit hole, the fact thatthere's still debate about what
those lights were is pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is.
It's a good reminder that evenin like our age of technology
and information, there are stillthings that we can't easily
explain, and that ambiguity,that lack of a definitive answer
.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's part of what keeps the fascination with UFOs
alive, for sure.
But stepping back for a second,I'm curious about the contrast
between these two stories.
Okay, goldie Hawn's experienceis so personal, almost spiritual
Right, while Kurt Russell's isthis very public, almost
spectacle-like event.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Do you think that says something about the range
of UFO encounters that are outthere?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Absolutely.
It shows that these experiencescan manifest in so many
different ways, from intimateencounters to mass sightings and
everything in between.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And I think that's one of the challenges for
researchers and anyone trying tounderstand the phenomenon
there's no one-size-fits-allexplanation For researchers and
anyone trying to understand thephenomenon.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
there's no one-size-fits-all explanation,
but we can't just lump all UFOsightings into one category and
say oh, it's all aliens or it'sall misidentified aircraft.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Each case has its own unique context, its own set of
details that need to be examined.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, and that's where things get really
interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's about looking for patterns for commonalities,
but also acknowledging theindividual nuances of each
experience commonalities butalso acknowledging the
individual nuances of eachexperience.
And both Goldie Hawn and KurtRussell's stories, despite their
differences, contribute to thisongoing conversation about what
might be out there.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And it's a conversation that's becoming
increasingly relevant right.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
With all the recent news about UAPs, government
hearings and renewed interest inthe subject, it feels like
we're in a new era of UFOdiscourse.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Definitely, and I think that's a good thing.
For too long, this topic wasrelegated to the fringes,
dismissed as conspiracy theoryor science fiction, but now
we're seeing more seriousattention being paid to it,
which hopefully means we'll getcloser to understanding what
these phenomena truly are.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And maybe that understanding will come from a
combination of scientificinvestigation and personal
testimony.
Right After all, it's the humanexperiences.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The stories, like Goldie Hawns and Kurt Russells,
that capture our imaginationsand drive us to keep searching
for answers.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Absolutely.
Those personal stories areinvaluable.
They add a human dimension tothe data, a sense of wonder and
mystery that keeps us engagedand asking questions.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Speaking of questions , I had to ask you this what
would it take for you personallyto be convinced that a UFO
sighting was genuine without ashadow of a doubt?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Hmm, that's a good question.
For me, it would be aconvergence of evidence,
eyewitness accounts fromcredible sources corroborated by
radar data, photographic orvideo evidence that stands up to
scrutiny and, ideally, somesort of physical trace or
artifact.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So not just one piece of the puzzle, but a whole
picture emerging from differentsources.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Exactly, and I think that's what we're starting to
see with some of the recent UAPreports there's more data being
collected, more analysis beingdone and, while we're not there
yet, it feels like we're movingin the right direction.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
And I think that's where the excitement lies.
We're in this unchartedterritory, and who knows what
discoveries might be just aroundthe corner.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's the beauty of the unknown it keeps us curious,
it keeps us exploring and itreminds us that there's always
more to learn about the universeand our place within it.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It really does feel like this whole conversation
around UFOs is changing, youknow.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, it's not just greeny photos and campfire
stories anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Exactly, and we're seeing more scientists, more
government officials who arewilling to actually engage with
the topic in a serious way.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, and that's a huge step forward.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I think people like Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell,
who are willing to share theirexperiences publicly, I think
they play a role in that shifttoo.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh, absolutely.
They lend a certain legitimacyto the conversation.
You know, when someone likeKurt Russell, a respected pilot,
reports seeing somethingunusual in the sky, it makes
people pay attention.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Right.
It challenges the stereotype ofthe UFO believer as someone
who's gullible or out of touchwith reality.
Yeah, exactly it's like, if itcan happen to them, it can
happen to anyone.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And that's a powerful message.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It is.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Makes this whole phenomenon feel more relatable,
less fringe.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, and that relatability, I think, is key to
breaking down the stigma thatsurrounded UFOs for so long.
Right, the more people sharetheir experiences, the more we
realize that this is somethingthat touches all walks of life.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Which brings us back to that question you posed
earlier.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
What would it take for you to be convinced of the
reality of UFOs?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Well, as I said, it's about the convergence of
evidence.
Right, of the reality of UFOs.
Well, as I said, it's about theconvergence of evidence, but
it's also about being open tothe possibility that our current
understanding of the universemight be incomplete.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So not just looking for proof within the framework
of what we already know, butbeing willing to expand that
framework if the evidencewarrants it.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Exactly.
We have to be willing toentertain the idea that there
might be things out there thatwe don't yet have the tools to
explain Right, and that's wherethe real adventure lies, I think
.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's that sense of wonder, that willingness to
embrace the unknown, that keepsus going.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And stories like Goldie Hawn's and Kurt Russell's
.
They fuel that sense of wonder.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They remind us that there's still so much out there
to discover, so much we don'tknow Right.
There's still so much out thereto discover so much we don't
know and who knows, maybesomeday we'll look back at these
stories, at this time ofquestioning and exploration, as
the beginning of a newunderstanding of our place in
the cosmos.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So to everyone, listening, keep looking up, keep
asking questions and keep thatsense of wonder alive.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You never know what you might find.
Okay, so get this.
We're diving into somecelebrity UFO encounters today.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh wow, yeah, Sounds fun, I know right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And, specifically, we're looking at two stories
that I think are reallyinteresting, and not just
because they're about famouspeople.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
But because of what they kind of reveal about how we
all experience things that wecan't explain.
Plus, there's a cool twist Okay, these two celebrities are
actually married.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, wow, okay, I'm intrigued now.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Right Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, those are some big names, you know, right, yeah
?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And they both had these very public encounters,
that kind of tap into thatfascination we have with UFOs.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, for sure.
I think that's something that alot of people are fascinated by
.
For sure, yeah.
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Let's start with Goldie Hawn's story.
Okay, because it happened wayback in the 1960s.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
When she was a young dancer, California.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And she's described this moment where she's looking
at the stars and she's feelingsuper connected to the universe
and it's almost like she'ssending a message out there.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And that's when things get weird.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah.
So what's intriguing about heraccount is that it starts with
this like cosmic wonder, youknow, yeah, but then it quickly
shifts into something way moreconcrete.
Oh, she's taking a nap in afriend's car in West Covina.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hears a high-pitched sound, uh-huh, and then sees
these beings, okay, withtriangular heads and silver
bodies.
Wow, I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So she describes it as feeling very real, right and
very physical, uh-huh, like nohazy, dreamlike state.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
She remembered vivid details.
Hmm, yeah, she remembered vividdetails, and not just the
being's appearance.
Yeah, she talks about them,pointing at her.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And making this droning sound.
Almost like they were trying tocommunicate somehow.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, and this pointing gesture is actually
something that's come up in alot of close encounter
narratives.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, it suggests intent, like an attempt to
connect.
You have these beings that seemso alien, so technologically
advanced, but then there's thisfeeling of intense love and
connection.
Right, it's almost paradoxical.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Totally, and this is where the real deep dive begins.
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How do we make sense of these like seemingly
contradictory elements?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Are they psychological responses to a
traumatic event?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Or is there something more at play?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And for Goldie, this experience definitely had like a
lasting impact.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
She's become very open about her belief in the
unknown, you know, embracing themystery of it all, which makes
me wonder how did her husband,Kurt Russell, react to all of
this?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Because he has his own famous UFO story right.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Absolutely, and his story is about as different from
Goldie Hawn's as you can get.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, it's not a personal intimate, intimate
encounter.
It's a mass sighting thePhoenix lights Right.
Thousands of people saw thoselights in the sky back in 1997.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but Kurt Russell wasn't just some random
guy on the ground.
He was actually flying a planewith his son when they saw those
lights.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He described it as six orbs in a V formation just
hanging there over the airport.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's crazy yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And here's what makes his account so compelling Okay.
We have the audio recording ofhim reporting the lights to air
traffic control.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh, wow, so this is real.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And you can hear the confusion, yeah, the awe in his
voice.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
He's not some UFO fanatic, right, he's a seasoned
pilot.
Right, trying to make sense ofwhat he's seeing.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, Like what is going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So even someone used to observing the skies, you know
someone trained to be rationaland focused Right, Is shaken by
this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Makes you wonder what was going through his mind when
he saw those lights.
Yeah, even though KurtRussell's encounter happened
decades after Goldie Hawn's,they both tap into this human
need to try to make sense ofthings that we just can't
explain.
Yeah, totally, and with thePhoenix Lights you had thousands
(04:03):
of people experiencing thistogether.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Which adds a whole other layer to it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
It's not just one person's wordagainst the world, it's a
collective experience.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Exactly, and the Phoenix Lights, you know, they
became this major event, notjust in like UFO circles, but in
pop culture as well.
Oh for sure, like books,documentaries, even a movie was
made about it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Which speaks to that fascination we have with these
large scale sightings.
Yeah, it captures theimagination in a way that
individual encounters sometimesdon't.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
For sure.
But even with all thosewitnesses and all that attention
, the Phoenix lights remain amystery.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Some people say it was military flares, others
suggest atmospheric phenomena,but none of those explanations
really satisfy everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Especially those who were there and saw those lights
with their own eyes.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I know there are a lot of theories about government
cover-ups and things like that,but even without going down
that rabbit hole, the fact thatthere's still debate about what
those lights were is pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is.
It's a good reminder that evenin like our age of technology
and information, there are stillthings that we can't easily
explain, and that ambiguity,that lack of a definitive answer
.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's part of what keeps the fascination with UFOs
alive, for sure.
But stepping back for a second,I'm curious about the contrast
between these two stories.
Okay, goldie Hawn's experienceis so personal, almost spiritual
Right, while Kurt Russell's isthis very public, almost
spectacle-like event.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Do you think that says something about the range
of UFO encounters that are outthere?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Absolutely.
It shows that these experiencescan manifest in so many
different ways, from intimateencounters to mass sightings and
everything in between.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And I think that's one of the challenges for
researchers and anyone trying tounderstand the phenomenon
there's no one-size-fits-allexplanation For researchers and
anyone trying to understand thephenomenon.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
there's no one-size-fits-all explanation,
but we can't just lump all UFOsightings into one category and
say oh, it's all aliens or it'sall misidentified aircraft.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Each case has its own unique context, its own set of
details that need to be examined.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, and that's where things get really
interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's about looking for patterns for commonalities,
but also acknowledging theindividual nuances of each
experience commonalities butalso acknowledging the
individual nuances of eachexperience.
And both Goldie Hawn and KurtRussell's stories, despite their
differences, contribute to thisongoing conversation about what
might be out there.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And it's a conversation that's becoming
increasingly relevant right.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
With all the recent news about UAPs, government
hearings and renewed interest inthe subject, it feels like
we're in a new era of UFOdiscourse.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Definitely, and I think that's a good thing.
For too long, this topic wasrelegated to the fringes,
dismissed as conspiracy theoryor science fiction, but now
we're seeing more seriousattention being paid to it,
which hopefully means we'll getcloser to understanding what
these phenomena truly are.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And maybe that understanding will come from a
combination of scientificinvestigation and personal
testimony.
Right After all, it's the humanexperiences.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The stories, like Goldie Hawns and Kurt Russells,
that capture our imaginationsand drive us to keep searching
for answers.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Absolutely.
Those personal stories areinvaluable.
They add a human dimension tothe data, a sense of wonder and
mystery that keeps us engagedand asking questions.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Speaking of questions , I had to ask you this what
would it take for you personallyto be convinced that a UFO
sighting was genuine without ashadow of a doubt?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Hmm, that's a good question.
For me, it would be aconvergence of evidence,
eyewitness accounts fromcredible sources corroborated by
radar data, photographic orvideo evidence that stands up to
scrutiny and, ideally, somesort of physical trace or
artifact.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So not just one piece of the puzzle, but a whole
picture emerging from differentsources.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Exactly, and I think that's what we're starting to
see with some of the recent UAPreports there's more data being
collected, more analysis beingdone and, while we're not there
yet, it feels like we're movingin the right direction.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
And I think that's where the excitement lies.
We're in this unchartedterritory, and who knows what
discoveries might be just aroundthe corner.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's the beauty of the unknown it keeps us curious,
it keeps us exploring and itreminds us that there's always
more to learn about the universeand our place within it.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It really does feel like this whole conversation
around UFOs is changing, youknow.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, it's not just greeny photos and campfire
stories anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Exactly, and we're seeing more scientists, more
government officials who arewilling to actually engage with
the topic in a serious way.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, and that's a huge step forward.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I think people like Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell,
who are willing to share theirexperiences publicly, I think
they play a role in that shifttoo.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh, absolutely.
They lend a certain legitimacyto the conversation.
You know, when someone likeKurt Russell, a respected pilot,
reports seeing somethingunusual in the sky, it makes
people pay attention.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Right.
It challenges the stereotype ofthe UFO believer as someone
who's gullible or out of touchwith reality.
Yeah, exactly it's like, if itcan happen to them, it can
happen to anyone.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And that's a powerful message.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It is.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Makes this whole phenomenon feel more relatable,
less fringe.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, and that relatability, I think, is key to
breaking down the stigma thatsurrounded UFOs for so long.
Right, the more people sharetheir experiences, the more we
realize that this is somethingthat touches all walks of life.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Which brings us back to that question you posed
earlier.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
What would it take for you to be convinced of the
reality of UFOs?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Well, as I said, it's about the convergence of
evidence.
Right, of the reality of UFOs.
Well, as I said, it's about theconvergence of evidence, but
it's also about being open tothe possibility that our current
understanding of the universemight be incomplete.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So not just looking for proof within the framework
of what we already know, butbeing willing to expand that
framework if the evidencewarrants it.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Exactly.
We have to be willing toentertain the idea that there
might be things out there thatwe don't yet have the tools to
explain Right, and that's wherethe real adventure lies, I think
.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's that sense of wonder, that willingness to
embrace the unknown, that keepsus going.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And stories like Goldie Hawn's and Kurt Russell's
.
They fuel that sense of wonder.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They remind us that there's still so much out there
to discover, so much we don'tknow Right.
There's still so much out thereto discover so much we don't
know and who knows, maybesomeday we'll look back at these
stories, at this time ofquestioning and exploration, as
the beginning of a newunderstanding of our place in
the cosmos.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So to everyone, listening, keep looking up, keep
asking questions and keep thatsense of wonder alive.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You never know what you might find.
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