December 5, 2024 • 20 mins
Could the mysteries of the mind hold the key to perceiving distant locations without physical presence? Embark on an exploration of remote viewing, a phenomenon that challenges our understanding of perception and has intrigued researchers for over a century. We trace its origins from early 1900s psychical research to its secretive role with the CIA during the Cold War. With insights from our examination of the Stanford Research Institute, uncover the contributions of pioneers like Russell Targ, Harold Puthoff, and Ingo Swann, who played crucial roles in refining remote viewing protocols. Delve into the US Army's Stargate Project, where recently declassified documents reveal the military's attempt to harness this enigmatic ability.
As our journey unfolds, we discuss the scientific underpinnings and practical applications of remote viewing, backed by experiments using EEG and fMRI to probe brain activity during sessions. Discover how this controversial practice has been applied in fields like archaeology and medicine, raising intriguing questions about its potential and ethical implications. Join us in a thought-provoking conversation about maintaining an open mind, the legacy of government programs, and the pursuit of knowledge. We invite you to stay curious about the universe's mysteries and consider the possibility that today's impossibilities might just be tomorrow's realities.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you ever imagined like seeing through
walls, or maybe like lookinginto some far off place without
even getting out of your chair?
Well, that's kind of the mindbending idea we're getting into
today with remote viewing.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
So we're talking about that ability to describe
and perceive things that likearen't actually right there in
front of you and, honestly, thisdeep dive into the history of
this is going to make yourethink everything you thought
you knew about, like how we seethe world.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It really is a fascinating journey and it goes
back way further than I thinkmost people realize.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Exactly.
It's not like some new agething.
It's actually been around forlike over a century, going all
the way from those earlypsychical researchers to like
government programs that werefunded and even into modern day
labs, oh wow.
So we're going to try touncover some of the secrets
around this whole remote viewingthing and explore how it's
changed over time and hopefullyseparate fact from fiction,
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because it is a prettycontroversial field.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, it is, and a great place to start is with
those early explorations back inthe 1900s is with those early
explorations.
Back in the 1900s this was likethe big era for cyclical
research and the concept ofclairvoyance.
You know, being able to seethings remotely was like a hot
topic.
You know, it was all verymysterious and a lot of people
were skeptical, of course, butit did set the stage for what
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would eventually become a morefocused area of study.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's amazing to think that those early investigations
you know, with their seancesand mediums and things like that
, that those were really likethe first steps on this whole
path.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But then things take a pretty sharp turn in the 1970s
.
Right, that's when the USgovernment, the CIA,
specifically starts looking intothe possibility of, you know,
psychic spies.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's like straight out of a Cold War spy movie
Psychic spies yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's like straight out of a Cold War spy movie.
The Cold War was definitely atime of intense you know
competition and paranoia in theintelligence community.
They were really eager toexplore anything that could give
them an edge, even if itsounded a little far-fetched,
and they saw this remote viewingas a potential tool for
intelligence gathering.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They were imagining agents who could basically see
into enemy territory without,you know, ever leaving their
homes.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I can see why that idea would be tempting.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But how do you even begin to test something like
that?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's not like you could just say, hey, describe
that building in, you knowRussia, and call it science.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Exactly, you need some rigorous methods.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So that's where the Stanford Research Institute, or
SRI, comes in.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And two researchers in particular, Russell Targ and
Harold Puthoff.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And they got funding from the CIA and they started
conducting experiments to see ifpeople could actually see
remote locations and objects.
They developed protocols, youknow, with random targets,
double-blind procedures, tryingto eliminate any chance of lucky
guesses or subtle cues, youknow, influencing the results.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So what did they find ?
Were people actually able todescribe these faraway targets
accurately?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, while the results weren't always perfect,
some individuals really did showa surprising ability to
describe these distant targets.
Really to describe thesedistant targets?
Yeah, they might describe thelayout of a building, the
terrain of a landscape or evenvery specific objects, all
without any prior knowledge ofthem.
That's wild, yeah, and theseearly studies were enough to
make people pay attention.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And they fueled further research, of course.
What was really interesting,though, was that these studies
hinted that remote viewing mightnot just be limited to seeing.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There were some early signs that it could be used for
other applications likeintelligence gathering,
obviously being the most obviousone, but even medical diagnosis
was being considered.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Wow, yeah, and that's where Ingo Swann comes into the
picture right.
Exactly, he was like superinvolved in this early research
at SRI.
Yeah, and I understand he was abig part of developing those
protocols and techniques thatpeople still use today.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's right, swan was a remarkable guy.
Not only was he gifted remoteviewer himself, but he also
really understood how to trainothers and refine the whole
process Right.
So his contributions were hugein shaping the field and moving
it forward.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So we've got the CIA, you know, testing the waters of
psychic espionage, and then wehave that groundbreaking
research happening at SRI, andthen Ingo Swann steps up as a
leading expert in this wholething.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But this is all setting the stage for something
even bigger, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Didn't the US Army eventually get involved with all
this?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
They did, and that's where we're headed next, into
the era of the Stargate project.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Now, that sounds like a story I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It is a good one.
So in the 1980s, the US Army,they launched this top secret
Stargate project.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's a dedicated program to really explore the
military uses of remote viewing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And guess who they brought in to lead the project?
Ingo Swann himself.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So they were really taking this seriously?
Oh yeah, they were.
What were they hoping toachieve with this project?
Did they actually think theycould train soldiers to be like
psychic spies?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That was definitely part of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Stargate project involved both military personnel
and civilians who supposedlyhad these psychic abilities.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And their tasks ranged from, you know, gathering
intel on foreign governmentsand potential threats to even
investigating UFOs.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Wait, ufos, you're serious.
Yeah, this is getting wilder bythe minute it is, so was any of
this ever made public?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, at the time, of course, it was all very hush
hush.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But luckily, thanks to FOIA requests, thousands of
documents related to theStargate project have actually
been declassified.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So now we can get a glimpse of what was really going
on behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So what do these documents reveal About the
project's success?
Did they actually manage to useremote viewing for intelligence
work?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That's where things get a little heated.
Some people they claim that theproject actually did give them
valuable intel.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And that it even influenced some real world
operations Wow.
But then you have other folkswho are super skeptical.
They say that the results werejust too vague and open to
interpretation to be reliable.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Sounds like the Stargate project had its share
of controversy.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It definitely did.
Critics questioned not only theresults but also the methods.
They said that the findingscould be explained by chance or
coincidence, or evenunintentional cues from the
researchers themselves.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So, even with all that government funding and
years of research, the debateabout remote viewing just kept
going.
But this story doesn't end withthe Stargate project, does it?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
What about remote viewing research today?
Yeah, is anyone still lookinginto it?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Despite all the skepticism and the controversy
surrounding programs likeStargate, the quest to
understand remote viewing didn'tjust disappear.
Oh okay, you still haveresearchers, scientists and just
everyday people who arefascinated by it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, that makes sense.
It's not every day you hearabout something that like
challenges how we think aboutthe world.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So what happened after the Stargate project shut
down?
Did the research continue?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It did, yeah, although it kind of shifted away
from those big governmentprograms and more into
independent research efforts.
Some scientists and researchersthey just kept digging into it,
trying to design experimentsthat could provide more solid
evidence and respond to some ofthat criticism from the earlier
research.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So what kind of experiments are we talking about
here?
What were they looking at?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, one area they focused on was brain activity.
Oh, During remote viewingsessions they were using
techniques like EEG and fMRI tosee what's going on in the brain
while people are trying todescribe those remote targets.
The goal was to see if thereare any measurable changes in
brain activity that happen whensomeone's successfully doing
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remote viewing.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So they're like trying to peek inside the brain
and see what happens whensomeone's doing this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's pretty cool.
What did they find?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, there've been some interesting findings, but,
of course, the results are stillbeing debated.
Right, some studies have shownthat certain parts of the brain,
particularly the ones that dealwith visual processing and
spatial awareness, they becomeactive during these sessions,
and what's remarkable is thatthis activity happens even
though the person isn't actuallyseeing the target.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's like their brains are acting as if they're
really there at that remotelocation.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's incredible.
But if some of this research isshowing promise, why is remote
viewing still so controversial,Right Like?
Why isn't it more widelyaccepted?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's complicated and there are a few reasons for the
debate, I think.
First replicating those resultshas been tough.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh been tough.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Not every study shows the same thing and critics
argue that maybe the effects aredue to something else, like a
really good imagination or youknow, subconscious cues still
don't fully understandconsciousness and perception,
which makes it hard to explainhow remote viewing could even be
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possible.
And then you have the legacy ofthe Stargate Project and other
government programs, which somepeople see as a waste of
resources and not veryscientific.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, so it sounds like the scientific community is
still trying to figure out whatto make of remote viewing.
But even if we put aside thescience for a second, yeah.
I'm curious about somethingelse.
Yeah, are there any practicaluses for this?
Is anyone actually using it inthe real world?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
There are people who believe so and they've been
testing it out in some reallyfascinating fields like
archaeology and medicine.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Archaeology.
Now, that's not something Iexpected.
Yeah, how does remote viewingfit into digging up old
artifacts?
It how does remote viewing fitinto digging up old artifacts?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It might sound strange, but there's been some
cool work in this area.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
A researcher and archaeologist named Dr Stephen A
Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
He's used remote viewers to try and find and
describe ancient sites beforethey even start digging.
Wow, so the viewers arebasically asked to see into the
past and describe what theyperceive at a specific location.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So they're like psychic time travelers, looking
into the past to see what'sburied underground.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Pretty much.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's amazing, but has it actually worked?
Have they found anything usingthis?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
There have been some pretty remarkable cases.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Really.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, in one project, remote viewers were asked to
describe a site in Egypt.
Okay, that was believed to bethe location of an ancient
temple.
Okay, they gave these detaileddescriptions of the site, like
the types of stones used in theconstruction, the layout of
certain structures and even thepresence of underground chambers
.
Wow, and when thearchaeologists finally excavated
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the site, they found many ofthose features that the remote
viewers had talked about.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're kidding.
They actually found stuff thatthe remote viewers described.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
They did, including a previously unknown underground
chamber.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's incredible.
Are there other examples likethis?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
There are a few, and they're all pretty fascinating.
Wow, In another project theyused remote viewers to find a
shipwreck off the coast ofFlorida.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And they described the type of ship, the cargo,
even the location of specificartifacts on the seafloor, and
divers later confirmed many ofthose details, including the
type of ship and the presence ofthose artifacts.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
These examples are mind-blowing.
Yeah, it really makes youwonder what else might be out
there, hidden, just waiting tobe discovered with the help of
remote viewing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But you mentioned that remote viewing has also
been explored in medicine, right.
What's that all about?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's another area where the potential of remote
viewing has generated a lot ofexcitement and a lot of
skepticism.
Okay, there have been instanceswhere remote viewers have been
asked to describe the medicalconditions of patients they've
never met, sometimes patientswho are miles away.
The idea is to see if they canaccurately perceive things like
where the pain is or if therewere internal injuries or even
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signs of certain diseases.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So we're talking about, like psychic diagnoses.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It sounds a little out there, but I have to admit
I'm intrigued.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Has there been any success with this?
Could remote viewing reallyplay a role in medicine?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, the results have been mixed.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Some studies are promising, while others are less
conclusive.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But there have been cases where remote viewers have
accurately described thelocation of tumors, identified
internal bleeding and evenspotted early signs of heart
disease.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Really.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, so these findings suggest that there
might be something to it, right,but of course more research is
needed to fully understand itspotential and its limits.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It definitely brings up a lot of questions about how
we perceive things and thelimits of human consciousness.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
It does.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But even if remote viewing could be used for
diagnosis, are there ethicalconsiderations here?
Of course, that seems likethere's a lot of potential for
misuse.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You're absolutely right.
The ethical implications ofremote viewing are huge and we
can't ignore them.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
If this ability can be harnessed, we need to think
very carefully about how it'sused, who has access to it and
what safeguards are in place toprevent it from being misused.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
This has been a fascinating look into the
history and the potential ofremote viewing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It has.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
We've covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
From those early psychical researchers to the
government's interest in psychicspies, the controversial
Stargate project and all theresearch that's still going on
today.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, it's amazing to think how much has happened in
this field.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And we've seen how remote viewing has captured the
imagination of so many people,from scientists to military
leaders, to archaeologists andeven medical professionals.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's an idea that just won't go away, even with
all the skepticism and debatesurrounding it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But despite all the research and those intriguing
stories, we're still left withmore questions than answers.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Is remote viewing real or is it just wishful
thinking?
Can it actually be used forpractical things or is it too
unreliable and ethicallyproblematic?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Those are questions that each of us has to wrestle
with on our own Right.
The evidence is definitelyinteresting, yeah, but it's far
from conclusive, yeah.
Yeah, but it's far fromconclusive, yeah, and even if we
accept that remote viewingmight be real, it brings up a
whole bunch of philosophical andethical questions that we need
to think about very carefully.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So where do we go from here?
What does the future hold forremote viewing?
It feels like we're kind ofstanding at the edge of
something huge, like lookinginto a place that changes how we
understand reality.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah.
It's both exciting and a littlescary, I know that's the thing
about exploring the unknownright.
Right it makes you confront thelimits of what we know.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And to deal with ideas that might seem impossible
at first, like remote viewing.
Yeah, it makes us ask you know,could our minds actually be
perceiving the world in ways wenever even thought of?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's not just about pushing the limit of science
either.
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's about what these possibilities could mean for
all of us.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
If this is real, what could it change?
I mean, could it change how weapproach exploration or problem
solving, or even how we thinkabout consciousness itself?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
The possibilities are huge, Right Kind of mind
blowing actually.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Imagine archaeologists using this to
find lost cities or hidden tombsWow.
Or doctors using it to diagnosepeople in far off places or
even spot life threateningconditions early on.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And think about what it could mean for intelligence
gathering, for good or bad Right, if remote viewing could give
us insights into thingshappening across the world.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's a lot to think about.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And it definitely brings up some ethical concerns
too.
For sure, we talked about thepotential for misuse.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
But what about privacy?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And consent.
I mean if someone can see intoa place remotely, should they
need permission.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, those are important questions.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And society is going to have to figure those out as
research goes on and theapplications become clearer.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It's important to have these discussions now,
while it's still early stages,so we can develop some ethical
guidelines.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And make sure that if this is real, it's used
responsibly.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
This deep dive has really been a journey.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We started with those early psychical researchers
just kind of dipping their toesinto the unknown.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And now we're talking about a potential revolution in
how we see our place in theuniverse.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It's amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
That's the beauty of knowledge and exploration it's
always evolving a journeywithout a real end.
We just keep asking questions.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Searching for answers and challenging what we think
we know.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Remote viewing is a perfect example of that.
Yeah, this constant search tounderstand the world and where
we fit in.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So, to our listener, we'll leave you with this.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Keep it open mind, stay curious and don't be afraid
to question what you think youknow.
I like that the world's full ofmysteries and who knows what
incredible discoveries arewaiting for us, just beyond what
we understand right now.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Maybe someday, what seems impossible today will be
obvious tomorrow.
Until then, just keep exploring, keep learning and keep
searching for the truth whereverit takes you.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into the
world of remote viewing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Until next time, keep seeking knowledge and exploring
the mysteries of the universe.
Hmm, it really feels like we'reat the edge of something big.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It does, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, like peering into this realm, that like
challenges how we think aboutreality.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's exciting and a little bit unsettling at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
It is.
That's the thing aboutexploring the unknown, I guess.
Right, it forces us to confrontyou know what we don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And grapple with concepts that just seem
impossible at first.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Remote viewing is like the perfect example of that
.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It is.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know, it asks us to consider if, maybe, just
maybe, our minds can perceivethe world in ways we never
thought possible.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And it's not even just about science.
It's about what this could allmean for us as humans, Right
Like if remote viewing isactually real.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, what are the implications?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Could it change how we explore things?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, what are?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
the implications.
Could it change how we explorethings, yeah, or solve problems?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Even how we understand consciousness itself.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
The potential uses are huge Right.
I mean it's mind boggling tothink about it.
Imagine archaeologists usingthis to find lost cities or
hidden tombs.
Think about doctors using it todiagnose illnesses in really
remote areas.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Or detecting serious health problems early on.
Yeah, and then there's thepotential for intelligence
gathering, which could be usedfor good or bad, if remote
viewing could really give usinformation about what's
happening on the other side ofthe world.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's a lot to take in .
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And it definitely comes with some ethical
questions too.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
We already talked about how it could be misused.
But then there's privacy.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And consent.
If someone can see into a placeremotely, do they need
permission?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
That's a good question.
What?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
are the boundaries.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
These are really important questions.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And society is going to have to address them as the
research continues and theapplications become clearer.
We need to have theseconversations now, while the
field is still relatively new,so we can come up with some
ethical guidelines and make surethat, if this is real, it's
used the right way.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
This whole deep dive has been quite a journey.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It really has.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We started with those early psychical researchers,
you know, just testing thewaters of the unknown.
Right right, and now we'retalking about a possible
revolution in how we understandour place in the universe.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I know it's pretty amazing, it is and that's what I
love about knowledge andexploration.
You know it's constantlyevolving.
Yeah, a journey without a realend yeah we keep asking
questions, looking for answersand challenging what we think we
know.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And remote viewing is a great example of that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It is.
It's this ongoing effort to tryand understand the world and
where we fit into it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So, to our listeners out there, we want to leave you
with this Keep an open mind, becurious and don't be afraid to
question the things you thinkyou know.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
The world is full of mysteries, and you never know
what incredible discoveriesmight be waiting for us, just
beyond what we currentlyunderstand.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Exactly.
You know, maybe what seemsimpossible today will be totally
obvious tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But until then, keep exploring, keep learning and
keep looking for the truth, nomatter where it leads.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into remote
viewing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It was great to be here.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Until next time, keep seeking knowledge and exploring
those mysteries of the universe.
Have you ever imagined like seeing through
walls, or maybe like lookinginto some far off place without
even getting out of your chair?
Well, that's kind of the mindbending idea we're getting into
today with remote viewing.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
So we're talking about that ability to describe
and perceive things that likearen't actually right there in
front of you and, honestly, thisdeep dive into the history of
this is going to make yourethink everything you thought
you knew about, like how we seethe world.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It really is a fascinating journey and it goes
back way further than I thinkmost people realize.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Exactly.
It's not like some new agething.
It's actually been around forlike over a century, going all
the way from those earlypsychical researchers to like
government programs that werefunded and even into modern day
labs, oh wow.
So we're going to try touncover some of the secrets
around this whole remote viewingthing and explore how it's
changed over time and hopefullyseparate fact from fiction,
(00:56):
because it is a prettycontroversial field.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, it is, and a great place to start is with
those early explorations back inthe 1900s is with those early
explorations.
Back in the 1900s this was likethe big era for cyclical
research and the concept ofclairvoyance.
You know, being able to seethings remotely was like a hot
topic.
You know, it was all verymysterious and a lot of people
were skeptical, of course, butit did set the stage for what
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would eventually become a morefocused area of study.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's amazing to think that those early investigations
you know, with their seancesand mediums and things like that
, that those were really likethe first steps on this whole
path.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But then things take a pretty sharp turn in the 1970s
.
Right, that's when the USgovernment, the CIA,
specifically starts looking intothe possibility of, you know,
psychic spies.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's like straight out of a Cold War spy movie
Psychic spies yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's like straight out of a Cold War spy movie.
The Cold War was definitely atime of intense you know
competition and paranoia in theintelligence community.
They were really eager toexplore anything that could give
them an edge, even if itsounded a little far-fetched,
and they saw this remote viewingas a potential tool for
intelligence gathering.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They were imagining agents who could basically see
into enemy territory without,you know, ever leaving their
homes.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I can see why that idea would be tempting.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But how do you even begin to test something like
that?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's not like you could just say, hey, describe
that building in, you knowRussia, and call it science.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Exactly, you need some rigorous methods.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So that's where the Stanford Research Institute, or
SRI, comes in.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And two researchers in particular, Russell Targ and
Harold Puthoff.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And they got funding from the CIA and they started
conducting experiments to see ifpeople could actually see
remote locations and objects.
They developed protocols, youknow, with random targets,
double-blind procedures, tryingto eliminate any chance of lucky
guesses or subtle cues, youknow, influencing the results.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So what did they find ?
Were people actually able todescribe these faraway targets
accurately?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, while the results weren't always perfect,
some individuals really did showa surprising ability to
describe these distant targets.
Really to describe thesedistant targets?
Yeah, they might describe thelayout of a building, the
terrain of a landscape or evenvery specific objects, all
without any prior knowledge ofthem.
That's wild, yeah, and theseearly studies were enough to
make people pay attention.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And they fueled further research, of course.
What was really interesting,though, was that these studies
hinted that remote viewing mightnot just be limited to seeing.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There were some early signs that it could be used for
other applications likeintelligence gathering,
obviously being the most obviousone, but even medical diagnosis
was being considered.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Wow, yeah, and that's where Ingo Swann comes into the
picture right.
Exactly, he was like superinvolved in this early research
at SRI.
Yeah, and I understand he was abig part of developing those
protocols and techniques thatpeople still use today.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's right, swan was a remarkable guy.
Not only was he gifted remoteviewer himself, but he also
really understood how to trainothers and refine the whole
process Right.
So his contributions were hugein shaping the field and moving
it forward.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So we've got the CIA, you know, testing the waters of
psychic espionage, and then wehave that groundbreaking
research happening at SRI, andthen Ingo Swann steps up as a
leading expert in this wholething.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But this is all setting the stage for something
even bigger, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Didn't the US Army eventually get involved with all
this?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
They did, and that's where we're headed next, into
the era of the Stargate project.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Now, that sounds like a story I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It is a good one.
So in the 1980s, the US Army,they launched this top secret
Stargate project.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's a dedicated program to really explore the
military uses of remote viewing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And guess who they brought in to lead the project?
Ingo Swann himself.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So they were really taking this seriously?
Oh yeah, they were.
What were they hoping toachieve with this project?
Did they actually think theycould train soldiers to be like
psychic spies?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That was definitely part of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Stargate project involved both military personnel
and civilians who supposedlyhad these psychic abilities.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And their tasks ranged from, you know, gathering
intel on foreign governmentsand potential threats to even
investigating UFOs.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Wait, ufos, you're serious.
Yeah, this is getting wilder bythe minute it is, so was any of
this ever made public?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, at the time, of course, it was all very hush
hush.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But luckily, thanks to FOIA requests, thousands of
documents related to theStargate project have actually
been declassified.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So now we can get a glimpse of what was really going
on behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So what do these documents reveal About the
project's success?
Did they actually manage to useremote viewing for intelligence
work?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That's where things get a little heated.
Some people they claim that theproject actually did give them
valuable intel.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And that it even influenced some real world
operations Wow.
But then you have other folkswho are super skeptical.
They say that the results werejust too vague and open to
interpretation to be reliable.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Sounds like the Stargate project had its share
of controversy.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It definitely did.
Critics questioned not only theresults but also the methods.
They said that the findingscould be explained by chance or
coincidence, or evenunintentional cues from the
researchers themselves.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So, even with all that government funding and
years of research, the debateabout remote viewing just kept
going.
But this story doesn't end withthe Stargate project, does it?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
What about remote viewing research today?
Yeah, is anyone still lookinginto it?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Despite all the skepticism and the controversy
surrounding programs likeStargate, the quest to
understand remote viewing didn'tjust disappear.
Oh okay, you still haveresearchers, scientists and just
everyday people who arefascinated by it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, that makes sense.
It's not every day you hearabout something that like
challenges how we think aboutthe world.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So what happened after the Stargate project shut
down?
Did the research continue?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It did, yeah, although it kind of shifted away
from those big governmentprograms and more into
independent research efforts.
Some scientists and researchersthey just kept digging into it,
trying to design experimentsthat could provide more solid
evidence and respond to some ofthat criticism from the earlier
research.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So what kind of experiments are we talking about
here?
What were they looking at?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, one area they focused on was brain activity.
Oh, During remote viewingsessions they were using
techniques like EEG and fMRI tosee what's going on in the brain
while people are trying todescribe those remote targets.
The goal was to see if thereare any measurable changes in
brain activity that happen whensomeone's successfully doing
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remote viewing.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So they're like trying to peek inside the brain
and see what happens whensomeone's doing this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's pretty cool.
What did they find?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, there've been some interesting findings, but,
of course, the results are stillbeing debated.
Right, some studies have shownthat certain parts of the brain,
particularly the ones that dealwith visual processing and
spatial awareness, they becomeactive during these sessions,
and what's remarkable is thatthis activity happens even
though the person isn't actuallyseeing the target.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's like their brains are acting as if they're
really there at that remotelocation.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's incredible.
But if some of this research isshowing promise, why is remote
viewing still so controversial,Right Like?
Why isn't it more widelyaccepted?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's complicated and there are a few reasons for the
debate, I think.
First replicating those resultshas been tough.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh been tough.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Not every study shows the same thing and critics
argue that maybe the effects aredue to something else, like a
really good imagination or youknow, subconscious cues still
don't fully understandconsciousness and perception,
which makes it hard to explainhow remote viewing could even be
(08:41):
possible.
And then you have the legacy ofthe Stargate Project and other
government programs, which somepeople see as a waste of
resources and not veryscientific.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, so it sounds like the scientific community is
still trying to figure out whatto make of remote viewing.
But even if we put aside thescience for a second, yeah.
I'm curious about somethingelse.
Yeah, are there any practicaluses for this?
Is anyone actually using it inthe real world?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
There are people who believe so and they've been
testing it out in some reallyfascinating fields like
archaeology and medicine.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Archaeology.
Now, that's not something Iexpected.
Yeah, how does remote viewingfit into digging up old
artifacts?
It how does remote viewing fitinto digging up old artifacts?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It might sound strange, but there's been some
cool work in this area.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
A researcher and archaeologist named Dr Stephen A
Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
He's used remote viewers to try and find and
describe ancient sites beforethey even start digging.
Wow, so the viewers arebasically asked to see into the
past and describe what theyperceive at a specific location.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So they're like psychic time travelers, looking
into the past to see what'sburied underground.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Pretty much.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's amazing, but has it actually worked?
Have they found anything usingthis?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
There have been some pretty remarkable cases.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Really.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, in one project, remote viewers were asked to
describe a site in Egypt.
Okay, that was believed to bethe location of an ancient
temple.
Okay, they gave these detaileddescriptions of the site, like
the types of stones used in theconstruction, the layout of
certain structures and even thepresence of underground chambers
.
Wow, and when thearchaeologists finally excavated
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the site, they found many ofthose features that the remote
viewers had talked about.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're kidding.
They actually found stuff thatthe remote viewers described.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
They did, including a previously unknown underground
chamber.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's incredible.
Are there other examples likethis?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
There are a few, and they're all pretty fascinating.
Wow, In another project theyused remote viewers to find a
shipwreck off the coast ofFlorida.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And they described the type of ship, the cargo,
even the location of specificartifacts on the seafloor, and
divers later confirmed many ofthose details, including the
type of ship and the presence ofthose artifacts.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
These examples are mind-blowing.
Yeah, it really makes youwonder what else might be out
there, hidden, just waiting tobe discovered with the help of
remote viewing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But you mentioned that remote viewing has also
been explored in medicine, right.
What's that all about?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's another area where the potential of remote
viewing has generated a lot ofexcitement and a lot of
skepticism.
Okay, there have been instanceswhere remote viewers have been
asked to describe the medicalconditions of patients they've
never met, sometimes patientswho are miles away.
The idea is to see if they canaccurately perceive things like
where the pain is or if therewere internal injuries or even
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signs of certain diseases.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So we're talking about, like psychic diagnoses.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It sounds a little out there, but I have to admit
I'm intrigued.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Has there been any success with this?
Could remote viewing reallyplay a role in medicine?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, the results have been mixed.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Some studies are promising, while others are less
conclusive.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But there have been cases where remote viewers have
accurately described thelocation of tumors, identified
internal bleeding and evenspotted early signs of heart
disease.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Really.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, so these findings suggest that there
might be something to it, right,but of course more research is
needed to fully understand itspotential and its limits.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It definitely brings up a lot of questions about how
we perceive things and thelimits of human consciousness.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
It does.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But even if remote viewing could be used for
diagnosis, are there ethicalconsiderations here?
Of course, that seems likethere's a lot of potential for
misuse.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You're absolutely right.
The ethical implications ofremote viewing are huge and we
can't ignore them.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
If this ability can be harnessed, we need to think
very carefully about how it'sused, who has access to it and
what safeguards are in place toprevent it from being misused.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
This has been a fascinating look into the
history and the potential ofremote viewing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It has.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
We've covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
From those early psychical researchers to the
government's interest in psychicspies, the controversial
Stargate project and all theresearch that's still going on
today.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, it's amazing to think how much has happened in
this field.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And we've seen how remote viewing has captured the
imagination of so many people,from scientists to military
leaders, to archaeologists andeven medical professionals.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's an idea that just won't go away, even with
all the skepticism and debatesurrounding it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But despite all the research and those intriguing
stories, we're still left withmore questions than answers.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Is remote viewing real or is it just wishful
thinking?
Can it actually be used forpractical things or is it too
unreliable and ethicallyproblematic?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Those are questions that each of us has to wrestle
with on our own Right.
The evidence is definitelyinteresting, yeah, but it's far
from conclusive, yeah.
Yeah, but it's far fromconclusive, yeah, and even if we
accept that remote viewingmight be real, it brings up a
whole bunch of philosophical andethical questions that we need
to think about very carefully.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So where do we go from here?
What does the future hold forremote viewing?
It feels like we're kind ofstanding at the edge of
something huge, like lookinginto a place that changes how we
understand reality.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah.
It's both exciting and a littlescary, I know that's the thing
about exploring the unknownright.
Right it makes you confront thelimits of what we know.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And to deal with ideas that might seem impossible
at first, like remote viewing.
Yeah, it makes us ask you know,could our minds actually be
perceiving the world in ways wenever even thought of?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's not just about pushing the limit of science
either.
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's about what these possibilities could mean for
all of us.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
If this is real, what could it change?
I mean, could it change how weapproach exploration or problem
solving, or even how we thinkabout consciousness itself?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
The possibilities are huge, Right Kind of mind
blowing actually.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Imagine archaeologists using this to
find lost cities or hidden tombsWow.
Or doctors using it to diagnosepeople in far off places or
even spot life threateningconditions early on.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And think about what it could mean for intelligence
gathering, for good or bad Right, if remote viewing could give
us insights into thingshappening across the world.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's a lot to think about.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And it definitely brings up some ethical concerns
too.
For sure, we talked about thepotential for misuse.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
But what about privacy?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And consent.
I mean if someone can see intoa place remotely, should they
need permission.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, those are important questions.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And society is going to have to figure those out as
research goes on and theapplications become clearer.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It's important to have these discussions now,
while it's still early stages,so we can develop some ethical
guidelines.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And make sure that if this is real, it's used
responsibly.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
This deep dive has really been a journey.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We started with those early psychical researchers
just kind of dipping their toesinto the unknown.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And now we're talking about a potential revolution in
how we see our place in theuniverse.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It's amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
That's the beauty of knowledge and exploration it's
always evolving a journeywithout a real end.
We just keep asking questions.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Searching for answers and challenging what we think
we know.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Remote viewing is a perfect example of that.
Yeah, this constant search tounderstand the world and where
we fit in.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So, to our listener, we'll leave you with this.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Keep it open mind, stay curious and don't be afraid
to question what you think youknow.
I like that the world's full ofmysteries and who knows what
incredible discoveries arewaiting for us, just beyond what
we understand right now.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Maybe someday, what seems impossible today will be
obvious tomorrow.
Until then, just keep exploring, keep learning and keep
searching for the truth whereverit takes you.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into the
world of remote viewing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Until next time, keep seeking knowledge and exploring
the mysteries of the universe.
Hmm, it really feels like we'reat the edge of something big.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It does, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, like peering into this realm, that like
challenges how we think aboutreality.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's exciting and a little bit unsettling at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
It is.
That's the thing aboutexploring the unknown, I guess.
Right, it forces us to confrontyou know what we don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And grapple with concepts that just seem
impossible at first.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Remote viewing is like the perfect example of that
.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It is.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know, it asks us to consider if, maybe, just
maybe, our minds can perceivethe world in ways we never
thought possible.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And it's not even just about science.
It's about what this could allmean for us as humans, Right
Like if remote viewing isactually real.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, what are the implications?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Could it change how we explore things?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, what are?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
the implications.
Could it change how we explorethings, yeah, or solve problems?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Even how we understand consciousness itself.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
The potential uses are huge Right.
I mean it's mind boggling tothink about it.
Imagine archaeologists usingthis to find lost cities or
hidden tombs.
Think about doctors using it todiagnose illnesses in really
remote areas.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Or detecting serious health problems early on.
Yeah, and then there's thepotential for intelligence
gathering, which could be usedfor good or bad, if remote
viewing could really give usinformation about what's
happening on the other side ofthe world.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's a lot to take in .
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And it definitely comes with some ethical
questions too.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
We already talked about how it could be misused.
But then there's privacy.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And consent.
If someone can see into a placeremotely, do they need
permission?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
That's a good question.
What?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
are the boundaries.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
These are really important questions.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And society is going to have to address them as the
research continues and theapplications become clearer.
We need to have theseconversations now, while the
field is still relatively new,so we can come up with some
ethical guidelines and make surethat, if this is real, it's
used the right way.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
This whole deep dive has been quite a journey.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It really has.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We started with those early psychical researchers,
you know, just testing thewaters of the unknown.
Right right, and now we'retalking about a possible
revolution in how we understandour place in the universe.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I know it's pretty amazing, it is and that's what I
love about knowledge andexploration.
You know it's constantlyevolving.
Yeah, a journey without a realend yeah we keep asking
questions, looking for answersand challenging what we think we
know.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And remote viewing is a great example of that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It is.
It's this ongoing effort to tryand understand the world and
where we fit into it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So, to our listeners out there, we want to leave you
with this Keep an open mind, becurious and don't be afraid to
question the things you thinkyou know.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
The world is full of mysteries, and you never know
what incredible discoveriesmight be waiting for us, just
beyond what we currentlyunderstand.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Exactly.
You know, maybe what seemsimpossible today will be totally
obvious tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But until then, keep exploring, keep learning and
keep looking for the truth, nomatter where it leads.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into remote
viewing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It was great to be here.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Until next time, keep seeking knowledge and exploring
those mysteries of the universe.
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