#12 The Art Of Art.

With guest Shane Petite. We chat about painting & drawing. We officially welcome Jonathan Ziegel as our new co-host. Katt Williams, joke stealing and we wrap it up with the discussion of pedophiles.

Episode Transcript

(00:03):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome toanother episode of It's Not
About You with Myself, Jamal Harrington.
Right now. It's just me.
Right now. It's just me as the host right
now until Marianne and Jonathan pops in.
But I am very excited about our guests.
Yes, we do have a guest today. Oh.

(00:24):
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, buddy.
Shane Pettit. Yeah, yeah.
Pettit. Yep.
Jane Pettit is joining us today.And just so you guys know this
guy. And and George Costanza, I
brought him with, he's looking sexy on my wall.

(00:45):
Oh, that's. A little bit.
Deeper in that. He he also get George Costanza
as a guest. It's super price one dude.
It's a good deal. Yeah man.
Except for except for one gets to talk and the other one just
gets to look sexy. So.
I oh, I'm not sexy. I see.
Oh, no. Yeah.
I oh, I see where this is going.I was.

(01:07):
Going to say he's going, you getto decide that shade.
Who gets to look sexy and who gets to just talk.
So for our audience, where are you based out of?
I am just north of Seattle. I said Seattle because, like, if
you live in Western Washington, everybody knows Seattle.

(01:29):
Yeah, but they don't know like Everett.
I'm from Everett, OK? But nobody you know.
It's. So you live in Everett?
I live in Everett. I'm from South side Seattle.
Like by the airport. OK, By Seatac, Yeah, in Seatac,
Yeah, that's where I went to high school and all that.
Yeah, because you're from the Northwest, right?

(01:50):
Well, I used to live there, so Ibut I get what you're saying
though, whenever like if I'm talking to somebody from Seattle
and they just say, oh, I'm from Seattle and or or anywhere
because I've been all over the country.
So I'll always say, well, are you from Seattle, Seattle or are
you from the outskirts of Seattle?

(02:11):
Like name a place. And you don't say I'm from
Puyallup because nobody knows what you're talking about.
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, like, if you.
If so, like the other day I was on actually yesterday I was on
the train going home from work and I saw a guy on the train he
was wearing. He wore a Seattle SuperSonics
hat, Seattle SuperSonics, like T-shirt and some shorts and it

(02:36):
was like 38° outside. You wore a.
Jacket too. And I'm just like this person.
Looks like he's from the PacificNorthwest.
So I walked over to him and and and I asked her, I said, hey
man, Seattle Super Sonics. Do you live?
There. Or are you from there?
Or are you a fan? He's like, I used to live in

(02:57):
Seattle and I was like, Oh yeah,what, what part?
And he was like, you're not going to know it.
And I was like, I used to live on Mercer Island.
And he was. Like, oh, and like his eyes was
like, really? So I was like, so trust me, I
know, I know. What's up?
Yeah. You know, so, so he was like,
OK, well, he was like, well, I Ilive outside of Seattle at a

(03:22):
place called Gosh. It begins with an I.
It's on the east part. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Issaquah.
Issaquah, yeah, he said. Issaquah, I was like, I know
Issaquah, except for the name. Just it's been a while since
I've even said that. I was like, oh, Issaquah, OK, I
know where that is. That's like east of Bellevue

(03:43):
like you know and he and and he was like oh so you do know
Seattle. I was like, dude, I know
Everett, I know like you know Mount Vernon.
Well, that's further. Further.
But you know, like I. Think I think a lot of people
probably, probably from Oregon, too, will be like, I'm from
Portland. They'll just drop Portland
because like, oh hey, we got somebody else.

(04:04):
Woo. Hi.
Hi, John. How's it going?
Hi, John. I'm Shane.
My name's Shane. Good meet you, Shane.
Nice to meet you, man. Yeah.
Thanks. Sorry.
It took a little. It took a little while to log
on. I was having Skype issues on my
phone, but I did it. I persevered like a woman.

(04:25):
Yes. What constitution?
Well, we were just talking aboutSeattle and the places
surrounding Seattle. Jonathan was actually just in
Seattle with me. Well, technically he was in
Sumner. Yeah, with me we yeah, we spent
we were staying in Sumner. But yeah, you know, went up to

(04:47):
Seattle my. My mom lives in Pacific, which
is right by Sumner. I'll go to Pacific.
Like. Middleton, Algona, Pacific and
Auburn and Federal Way. That area, yeah.
Yeah, I'm no stranger to those towns.
Yeah. So before we continue, I know
this is long over doing. I've been wanting to do this and

(05:12):
but Jonathan is is our new Co host of the show.
He is very funny very fantastic.It it only took me like a
nanosecond to when Marianne picked the idea.

(05:33):
I was like, yeah, sure, you know.
So as you can see, he's like a snappy dresser I was.
Going to say he's dressed with the nines?
Dude, look at you. What sound jacket?
Oh. Hell yeah.
Kenneth, call it that. The Pug father.
T-shirt. I am the Pug father.
Thank you. That's what I'm that's what I'm

(05:53):
rocking. You you really know how to make
an interest, Jonathan. You you make me feel like, I
mean, I'm wearing this whole NewYork, you know, city jail shirt
ironically, but you know. Yeah, wait.
Wait, I mean, no, no, it's good.Hey did.
You Did you get the shirt at a gift shop?
Where'd you get the shirt? You know, the answer to that

(06:19):
question, I kind of feel like you're at a, like you're at a
coffee shop or like, I mean, you're not on a date on you.
And she's like, let me just. OK, good.
Hey, listen, you know, before the check comes, let me just
dial into this podcast real quick and you know.

(06:40):
Just. Grab a few gems, yeah?
As as as a matter of fact, let us see what you're tipping so we
can learn how to do better. He's like oh that's do better.
That's for you Sir. That Hundy is for you.
Yeah. Great job.
Great. Yeah.
No, I'm, I'm home. This is, you know, I'm, I'm in
Hell's Kitchen. I'm home right now.

(07:02):
Oh, OK. Yeah.
Oh, you're like the Daredevil, huh?
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sweet.
You guys. Floors underneath me.
He is wacky, no? I was going to say he is
actually the Daredevil. Yeah, I've never.
Had have you ever seen? Have you ever seen?
That dress like an attorney, dude, you kind of got the the

(07:23):
lawyer thing going. I can do it by day, but by night
you got 6 and you run around. Yeah, that'd be awesome.
That's mayor. Blasts in every pocket.
You know, just armed. To the east.
But yeah, so, but yeah, so I wanted to to officially welcome

(07:47):
Jonathan to the pockets. And again, like I say, just for
the job that you want. And he wanted this job to be on
this podcast, and he's nailing it right now.
Yeah, this was it was either between this or pajamas.
So I said, OK, let me let me throw this on.
I think I made the right choice.I mean, I'm getting a lot of

(08:09):
positive feedback. This is nice, you know.
No, you. Oh man, you are.
If, if this doesn't bolster our ratings, I don't know what will.
But it's a start. No, it's a very.
It's a. Good start.
I got to see too high Jamaal High Priest coming from you man.
Like we've we've been clothing shopping together previously and

(08:29):
you know, this is high praise for you to compliment somebody
else's gear. That's that's pretty nice, you
know? What?
What's Mr. Top? Figure Mr. Calvin Klein Mr. You
Know. County jail, County jail.
Shit, he's like, is it Gucci or County jail?
Who knows? Maybe he's waiting for me.

(08:49):
I wanted to ask you the other day.
He was just like, hey, So I was like, yeah, I went clothes
shopping and he was like, OK AndI was like, yeah, Jonathan
picked this out. So he think it's ugly.
You could tell him And he's like, no, that looks that's
actually pretty nice. It's actually pretty nice.
So I he's like, he's like, you got people opening for you now
you got people clothes shopping for you.

(09:10):
I'm like, look, I am stressed, OK.
I am so lucky. I was like, look if I didn't
have him, I would have probably been in a like fetal position in
the middle of the mall just crying with my thumb in my
mouth. So thank you for that.
You're you're a good friend, Jonathan.
Seriously. Anytime, man.
Anytime. Yeah, I don't.
I don't really understand how these outlet malls pretend to be

(09:33):
like discount shops and then they'll put AT shirt on sale for
like $150.00 and I'm like, it's a plain white T-shirt.
Like, what the fuck you know? Right.
Yeah. Thanks, Polo.
You've. Lost the problem with nice
#polo. The problem with nice clothes,
right? Because I'm tempted to, like,
wear nicer things, but the I know as soon as I will, the food

(09:58):
is going to hit my shirt. I can't take it out.
I'm not go with stains. And let's be honest, there isn't
very often where there isn't food around me.
Like, there's almost always foodaround.
So even if I try to wear it fromlike 2:00 to 2:15 on a Tuesday,
there's probably going to be some pasta within arm's reach.
You know, like, I just can't avoid it.
So you. Said your house looks like a

(10:19):
restaurant even you know what itis like.
Is this meant to be he's got? Like GABA Ghoul sitting like
right across on the other side of the camera.
Oh, and and. If you fight crime all night,
you need your calories, dude, tofight crime all night.
Look at the I I painted this. This is.
I painted this is. Like you.
That's how I That's how I is that a.
Cat. Yeah.

(10:41):
Have a cat. A cat.
Where is she, Angie? All right.
She'll come by. I'll.
I'll put her on camera in a minute.
I think this that's, that's. A nice that's a nice photo.
I mean while painting. Yeah.
Is that Walker? I'm watercoloring, yeah.
Nice. It's nice, man.
Yeah, it's cool, man. I just got into it, but I'm.

(11:01):
I'm having a good time, you know.
Right on, Pretty good. This was my excuse me, I ever
did. That was the first one.
Yeah. Really.
I don't mean a brag might be a natural, you know.
Well, how long? Well, that's a humble brag right
there. How long did it take for you to
do that? It could be like an idiot savant

(11:22):
and not even know it, you know? He said these aren't
watercoloring. That was always do it.
All right. Shane, you you you watercolor
too. You spotted that pretty quickly.
No, I draw. I I'm an illustrator.
I don't really. I'm not good with color.
I do black and white. I do a lot of comic book like
graphic novel type stuff. Nice.

(11:42):
And I'll just say after this show, dude, we should totally
talk because yeah, I know, like all the all the hot gear to get
for your art stuff or whatever, if you're really into it.
Awesome. Yeah, let's let's do that.
Actually, actually so. Sorry with.
Shane, I I took it. I took a picture, post it up on

(12:04):
Facebook, and out of nowhere Shane sends me like, I guess
it's like maybe 3/4 of the of a drawing of that photo of me.
And I was like, wow, that's veryimpressive.
And he just, and he just randomly, oh, here, here's a
here's a, you know, picture of you.
And I was like, holy shit. And it was good.

(12:26):
Like it was, really. Really impressive.
And and The thing is I can't draw to save my life.
And it's one talent between dancing and drawing.
I wish I had one of those talents.
I can't do neither. I'm the worst at it.
But you know when I saw your, when I saw your pic and then you
were, you were doing other people, I was very impressed.

(12:48):
I was like, wow, you know, hey, let's get this guy on the show
because you're just drawing, I guess, random people, but in the
details, which they always say God's in the details.
Do you? Do you mind if I little pimp my
little Facebook real quick? Sure.
OK, it's just Shane draws on Facebook.

(13:08):
Just search it and you'll find me.
I've got like 250 followers so Ishould pop up pretty easy.
But yeah, I like, I like doing like people profile pics and
comic books, drawing people. That's kind of what I like to
draw. But like, your cat drawing has a
lot of skill to it. Like I I instantly knew, first
of all, in a little tiny picturethat was a Kitty cat.

(13:32):
So that's good. You know what I mean?
Look at it. It's good.
I can frame that too. What's?
He. Holding here is that is Tom.
What's he told something. That's that's her collar.
That's her. Her.
Her tag. You know.
It just sags a little bit because that's how she's how she
wears it. She wears it a little loose, you
know. Yeah.

(13:55):
I'll be honest man, my my friend, she's she's a painter.
So she said why don't you come over one day and we'll paint
together. And so I just started and
honestly she just kept encouraging me.
So yeah, dude, started with the cat and then I was like,
alright, let me do the walls andthen let me do a window and I
could have kept going, you know,To me the styling is like a like
a French, like a French impressionist.

(14:16):
So if. I see that.
If I had the the courage, I would have done like a a wooden
chair in the corner or like a a painting on the wall, like just
really kind of like frenched it up, you know, but.
But the painting would be like, out of perspective, a little bit
like it's the wrong angle for some reason.
But it's still straight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It would have been like, that's cool, like 20.

(14:38):
Flowers, you know? Thanks, man.
Thanks. I'm excited to look at your
work. You know, I'm.
I'm on my phone now, but Shane draws.
It's so memorable. It's good.
Oh yeah, he does a really good job with the drawing, because if
you look at the original, the original photo that he captures
the art from and then what he draws, I mean, not for nothing,

(14:58):
looks almost identical. It's a real, I mean, I, you
know, it's very impressive and not for nothing.
I you should just keep posting every single piece you have up.
I mean that's a great way to youknow, for people to you know
actually when you did mine, I went on your I went on your
personal Facebook page and started scrolling through it and

(15:19):
I saw you. I did a few people and then it
seems like you were getting goodenough press that you just kept
on doing it and sometimes. Yeah, that's that's why I
started the the whole Shane drawing, because my personal
Facebook is a drunken mess. I shit post, I just drink beers
and I say dumb shit and I post stupid memes and like music

(15:41):
videos for like there'll be likeone drawing and then 30 memes.
Like you'll never find the drawings, dude.
So I was like, I got to start one that's just art and that's
it. That's all I do in there.
And so that's you can check thatout and you can see some of my
stuff for sure. And you can message me through
Shane draws too, you know, if you want.

(16:02):
I because I'm not a professional, I do commissions
once in a while, like side hustle type thing, you know, But
like, I don't just have fun withit, you know?
It seems like you are, yeah, Andit's.
It's good to have something. It's good to have something like
that. That kind of keeps you going.
Well, and it's a good, healthy habit when you have so many bad

(16:22):
habits like smoking and drinkingand podcasting, like you got to
have a good habit in there somewhere.
You know what I mean? It makes people happy.
It makes me happy to get the attention for sure.
Because why else are you on Facebook?
Well, it's it's a good, it's a good kind of attention.

(16:43):
It's a very good, yeah. Absolutely.
That's what I'm saying. It's a good, healthy habit.
And so when I see somebody else doing art, I'm always like, yes,
dude, do more. It'll make you happy.
It's good shit. It's funny how a community of
other artists, like especially comedians, a lot of comedians
like to paint, like to draw and so in like slightly revealing

(17:05):
because I'm still pretty new at this, so I don't feel very, you
know, I'm, I'm not like putting a lot of a lot of shit out
there, but people will and reachout and you know, I think pretty
soon I'm going to start throwinglike paint and sit parties like
just for my just for like. Yeah, for your buddies.
For friends you know. Yeah, yeah, It's a good time.

(17:25):
Is that a thing? Like do you ever, do you ever
bring friends over and make art together?
I haven't. I have.
I have a buddy. Well, kind of.
I I'm in touch with a lot of artists online.
You know what I mean? So it's a little easier to meet
people because of groups and stuff like that are also doing

(17:46):
art. So you know, I got like a dude.
I just did Tyler Jordan, the narrator from Fight Club.
I got dude, North Dakota is going to paint it and then we're
going to make prints and like make like 20 prints.
You know, just sell those. Make a little extra money.
But so cool to be able to, you know, the the internet's just

(18:11):
wildlife. You meet so many great people on
there. You meet a lot of weirdos too.
But, like, you know, to be able to prosper with other people who
have similar interests easily, Ithink is a great thing about the
Internet. Yeah, you know what I mean?

(18:34):
So I got a dude who I who when Ioriginally met him, he lived in
Texas, he lived in Amarillo and I saw his art and I was like,
dude, we got to work together and we did this.
I drew Gary Busey and he paintedit.
Now he lives in Seattle and we hang out like he was just here
last weekend. I was onto Jamal.
I was, I was. I was redoing his drawing

(18:56):
because I didn't think that first one he's talking about was
good enough personally. And I was going to do this last
weekend when my boy came over and I hadn't seen him in like 6
months. But he used to live in Texas and
just by dumb luck he moved to Portland and then he moved to
Seattle and it was like a natural progression or he's
stalking the fuck out of me. I don't know, to be fair, to be

(19:20):
fair, why does he live in Seattle now?
But no, it's usually it's just like things work out like that
sometimes, you know, like I I believe I know Jamal because of
Jonas Barnes initially. Yes.
Yep. Yeah.
And we were friends and like, I thought his posts were cool.
And I was like, yeah, I drew that thing again and stuff

(19:40):
because that's what I do. And yeah, so it's it's a really
cool little thing, man. I I I dig it.
Yeah. Thanks.
And all of it is because of the art, you know?
So when you start these circles get bigger and bigger.
Now to answer your question, I personally never have because I
have a very small apartment for one and for two like my buddy

(20:02):
has though, where you just have like for his birthday last year
he had a few of us over and drinking and just drawn and
playing Magic Gathering and justnerd stuff.
You know this is a good time. I think for a lot of people too,
if you don't know how to draw orpaint, drinking helps, right?

(20:24):
Yeah. Yeah, a couple, Yeah, a little.
That liquid cursor. You're not like, oh, this looks
stupid, You're like, ha ha, lookhow dope this is, You know what
I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I noticed like paint strokes, especially with watercolor, like
they get, they get better the more relaxed I am.
You know, if I'm, if I'm tense, a lot of short strokes and like

(20:45):
it doesn't look as nice, you know, but you got to let the
paint do what the paint does, you know, that's what I'm that's
what I'm kind of figuring out. So yeah, a little smoking, a
little, a little smoking and drinking helps, you know?
Absolutely. Yeah, you guys.
Feel Who's you in the right mindset?
More inspired when you, you know, sit back, drink a little,

(21:06):
smoke a little, like the ideas start rolling in your head.
You know, I think the ideas are always there, but like if I
drink a little and smoke a little, it's a little easier to
get onto the table and work. Oh, OK.
To actually get the emotions going, because in my head, like,
I'm always thinking about that stuff, how to draw this, like I
look at a garbage can. I'm like, how do you draw that

(21:28):
sometimes, you know, just out ofthe blue And, you know, I think
that somebody's like a musician or a comedian or anything that's
creative. It's kind of the same way like
I'm, you know, I, I, I, I believe that you guys will
probably see something stupid and be like why is that funny
though. Whereas I can look at our

(21:49):
channel and be like how do I draw that or a musician sees an
emotion is like how do I make music from that just in their
day-to-day activities, you know?And then when you actually get
in that mood to sit down and work to write jokes and draw and
play music, that's when that allcomes out.
You know when you're in that working mindset and.

(22:12):
Nothing makes sense, you know, 'cause sometimes I'll like it.
It's weird for me. Usually coffee is my advice.
So if I'm at 3 cups of coffee before I know it, oh, I got an
idea, you know? So I don't think I've ever
smoked enough weed. Where I'm inspired by an idea

(22:34):
'cause all I'm thinking about isgetting high and just let my
mind run. You.
Know I might catch something, but by the time I do and I'm not
high anymore, I forget it. So I always kind of keep a pen
with me when I smoke, just in case.
But no, it's you know, sometimesyou get your inspiration by just
letting your mind just. Yeah, Wander.

(22:56):
Well, the problem is the other side of that is like, it's so
easy to do too much alcohol to where you can't work anymore
because you're just so smashed. It's like.
You. Can't do it.
Excuse me. So you kind of got to find a
line, you got to find that happymedium, you know, and stick with
that. And I think that's something
that I've been trying to do honestly for years is find that

(23:20):
happy medium. You know, like what's the
difference between a good night and a bad night?
Well, I got to find right in between the middle and that's
where I stay. But it's it's it's guys.
It's easier said than done. Yeah.
Oh God, yeah. You know, I mean, you you can
you can smoke out to where your head's going and you're like

(23:41):
kind of thinking of like half a jokes or whatever that you can
pour them later or you get so stoned you just, it's Call of
Duty tonight, bitch. Let's go.
We're doing this all night untilI fall asleep.
That's what's happening, you know?
So you find that that happy medium.
You you you you had mentioned comedy.
Have you ever done stand up comedy before?

(24:02):
I did for about 2 1/2 years a while ago.
I got to the point where like like I was doing some showcases
and stuff. Like, you know, I don't think I
ever got paid cash, but I got some free food and drinks, which
was awesome. But but then you know, my my

(24:22):
goal wasn't to do it professionally.
Like my goal was to open for somebody cool.
That was my goal in it. And just life happened, you
know, I lost my car. I just kind of fell out of it,
you know, And I never really went back to it.
I I still once in a while, like once a year I'll do an open mic
for fun. But jeez, Liz, the work ethic

(24:46):
you need for comedy is insane. I don't think people realize how
hard it is, really like the hours you put in.
I don't think you've said that loud enough.
Yeah, no, no, it's just like you're you guys are in New York,
they're talking about you need to do 10 showcases and 30 open
mics a week or you ain't going to be shit like, wow.

(25:08):
And I got to be in 10 friends todo an open mic.
How does that work out? It's so much.
Work. Yeah, I mean.
In my opinion, you know, there'sa lot of people in New York who
who operate that way, like if they're not getting out seven
speak, if they're not getting out 234 spots a night and
they're not really going after it.

(25:29):
And I'll be honest with you, like, you know, I'll see people
if I have a good week and I'm doing a couple shows or a couple
mics, you know, and I see the same people.
Like a lot of times I see the same people, like tell them the
same jokes. Yeah, they're not really
progressing any, right. So, like, why aren't they doing
it? Well, because they're just
waiting to like say the same thing and hope for a different
reaction. Oh, it's the audience.

(25:50):
It was the audience. It's really funny.
It's really, you know, it's it'slike good comedy is a reflection
of, like your experiences. So like, you got to live a
little bit, you know, and you got to take some time and stuff
and then put your. So you know, if all you're doing
is just running around taking subways and going to shows, you
know you might not be putting the time you need to put in to

(26:11):
actually develop your voice and develop your stories and develop
your jokes. That's a really interesting
fucking point. That's a good point.
So, you know, to me, you know, like, I, I mean, don't get me
wrong, like I've, I've done plenty of mics.
I've done a lot of them. I've done, you know, I've done a
number of shows and you know, but if I'm working on a new joke
and I can't get to a mic for a while, like that doesn't mean
I'm not trying it out. Like I'll go and entertain you.

(26:34):
Know the the you know, the cashier, the bodega guy, the
grocery store. Lady like if you're a.
Comic. You can just comic anytime you
want. Like, you can just make people
laugh, you know? And it's not the same like, oh,
set everything up and whatnot. But you know what you're doing
live, authentic. You're catching people off
guard. You're finding out if it works
or not. You're seeing if people are
actually laughing or if they're just kind of like tolerating it.

(26:56):
Like, you know, you don't have to be in a room that's
designated a comedy club. Like you can you can comic
anywhere, you know. It's funny that Jonathan does
that because I my from I walk tothe from the office to the
subway which is 1/2 mile walk and I kind of feel like with
this gentleman that I walk with the my Co worker you know he

(27:20):
likes comedy and you know so if I say something funny he'll
laugh which is like we'll we'll I'll pick a subject out the top
of my head and I'll just start doing like not really an open
mic but I'll just start like ranting, riffing.
Yeah. Yeah, And if he's laughing, I'm
making a mental note in my head because I'm like, you know what?

(27:40):
There's something here, you know?
And so, Even so, I'll try it out.
You know, I'll write it down. What did I What did I say?
Again, you know, I'll be on the train writing this stuff down.
But for the most part, sometimesI'll just riff in like in
conversation, you know, and and I'm like, wow, this is actually
pretty good stuff. Why am I, you know, So I kind of

(28:03):
used him as like like a like a, you know, sometimes it's sports
related. Other time, you know, like I was
just telling you, you know, whenI was on the train, I saw this
guy like deck down in Sonic's Supersonic's gear, you know, and
he was wearing shorts and you know, on the train and it's like
35° outside. I'm like, hey man, you must be

(28:25):
from Seattle. You know.
And and he was like, yeah, I'm from Seattle.
But I'm like, what part of Seattle are you from?
And he was like, oh, you're not going to know it.
I'm like and I told him where I used to live.
It's OK. So you might know when he told
me and I was like I used to livenot too far from there.
So you know it's it's, you know,like like like Jonathan saying,
you know you got to show growth when you're doing, when you're

(28:48):
going to shows. You know, I don't like going to
an open mic without a new joke in the chamber.
You you 'cause then it it shows the OR if I'm updating a joke,
you got it. Hope you know that when I first
started, that really tripped me out.
The people were coming to open mics.
And just like I got one joke, maybe two, that I do from the

(29:10):
lead before, I was like, I can make it better, 'cause it kind
of hit, but not really. But every single open mic I went
to, I think I told at least one new joke.
Always, even if I thought of it on the car on the way there,
'cause I get the professionally,you need to work these jokes and
work them out, work them out, work them out, work them out,
work them out. But nobody was really working

(29:30):
on. They were just doing that shit
again. It was different, like at all.
The delivery was the same, the words were the same.
And you know, but I never got past that open mic point.
I never got to where, you know, I I was, you know, I mean, I
hung out with some professionalson dumb luck and maybe I had a

(29:51):
Viking to give them or something.
I don't know. But, you know, I never got off
to that level where I think that, you know, even you guys
are at for sure, like I've neverhit that, that, that part I
think, you know. Does that make sense?
Am I just drunk rambling? I don't know.
No, no. You make a lot of sense, you

(30:15):
know. But I thought the open mics,
that's what that was for, was totry new, new, new, new, new and
just keep writing and writing. That's.
Exactly what it's. Going.
Yeah, you guys excuse me for just a second.
You have to look at my ceiling while I do drugs.
Oh, I have to go get drugs. Hey, you guys.

(30:36):
I'll be right back. It's just pot.
Don't worry. It's not drugs.
It's medicine. I'll be right back.
All right. We'll, we'll, we'll.
Take a commercial break, yeah. Nice.
It's, I mean there's so much more to that conversation around
Mike's and getting started. And you know also like it's not
for everybody, you know, it is not for everybody.

(30:57):
It is not easy to get good. It's not easy to, you know, it's
not easy on the body or on the wallet.
Like you got to run around. You got to do late night shit.
You got to, you know if you wantmultiple spots, you got to hop
on subways and book and you got to network and you got to do all
that shit like it's, you know, it's it's a job.
It's a full time job, you know. Yeah, I mean you.

(31:18):
But you also got to be You also can not be afraid to fail.
And even when you do fail, it's how you be in a comic.
Like, how do you deal with failure?
How do you deal with doing a show and not being funny, you
know? Or.
You know, and and and there's been times where it's like, I'll
do a show and I'll walk off stairs.

(31:38):
I'm like, wow, why do I feel like shit?
And you know, it's either one oftwo things.
A I'm very tired. Nope.
Did you freeze? Dude, can you hear me?
Uh. Oh.

(32:09):
Well, everybody, thanks for coming to my podcast.
This is called the It's Not You podcast.
You coming back? I'm Marian Riley.
I'm Mall Harrington. And this is Jonathan's Eagle.
We're coming. You live and remote.
Oh, all right. Welcome back, Shane.

(32:29):
I think you're all right. So your ego's on now.
I saw that you had a deer head with no deer on it.
A deer head with no deer on it. This bad boy.
Yeah, that's cool. Thanks.
Was that an elk or a deer or something?
It's I think it's like a plasticcast of a deer head.
Yeah, with no deer on it. Pretty cool.

(32:52):
Thanks. Yeah, I like it.
Are you a hunter? No, I wish I would like to, but
no. Me and my dad went hunting once
and it was like the shittiest experience of my life, so I
never did it again. That'd be cool to be like, I'm a
bad ass. I can go out with my bow and
arrow and I just bam and I kill him.

(33:13):
No, not so much. I used to.
I used to shoot a lot of archery.
Oh, what's up, Marianne? There's more people.
Hello. Hi, Marianne.
I'm Shane. Hi, Shane.
Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too.
I just met Jonathan. He's cool.

(33:33):
Oh, and he's undressing too. He's like unbuttoned a bunch.
And he had a jacket on earlier that's gone.
He's got puzzlers. He's good to go.
We had to get casual, get out like comfortable and and Kitty
chat chat here. Mary.
Totally unprofessional. I just went and peed and like
got some pot and just just left the show for me.

(33:56):
Like sorry guys. Exactly.
Paul is eating his his soup. That's the same.
This is appropriate for what we do.
This is not unprofessional. This is Sushi.
Oh. Oh dude, it's like it's been
sushi all I've been. I ordered way too much sushi so
I'm a little groggy, but this will keep me awake and my

(34:16):
computer. The study crashed on me so
luckily I had this also like in the pocket so.
I don't know. On my phone.
So yeah, but. Yeah.
And thank you for Marianne for not making this, for
discontinuing the sausage fest. We really appreciate that.
You're welcome. Yeah, no kidding.
It was getting a little weird trying to do the check off all

(34:38):
the Twizzlers. I was like, Oh no, oh.
OK, they didn't start talking about butt stuff yet, didn't
they? No, no, we're waiting.
For you talking about. There's got to be a lady in the
room before we talk about butt stuff.
I think that is a staple of our conversations.

(35:01):
Just to to make sure we are. And I love how I get half with
Jamal's face. That's awesome.
Like we never know what's oh there we go.
So just to to double check so people can actually see our
faces, right? I mean, I can, yeah.
I can see everybody's. Faces, I know that.
But when we go to upload all this, it's not just an audio,

(35:23):
it's a visual as well, correct? There should be.
It should be for them. Oh, it should be both, actually.
Yeah, on Spotify. Yes.
OK, so I have to address the question before it gets asked
because I've been, I've been asked this 1000 times since last
week. What happened to your face?
Did you get in a fight? Did you get in a car accident,
Wife. Yeah, yeah.

(35:44):
And so I want to see. The people don't follow you on
Facebook because. Clearly, Clearly, I did get in a
fight. I fought cancer and I won.
Hey. What?
Just later, yeah? Hey, Congratulations, dude.
Yo, Hey, hey. Thank you.
Yeah, man. Oh yeah.

(36:04):
I get the stitches out tomorrow and we'll find out how bad they
jacked up my face. But it, you know, I mean it's it
was already jacked up on that side.
So you really. Can't just you.
Just knock them out. True, this is what they expect
from me, you know. I mean, so yes.

(36:26):
But it's also been very humbling, because this is the
first time since I was probably a teenager that I've actually
got to work without makeup on. Like, no makeup at all.
I know I'm talking to a bunch ofdudes, so you would totally
sympathize with me and understand what I'm talking
about. Yeah.
So put myself in a very vulnerable position.

(36:48):
You know it's it is very vulnerable.
I didn't have my mask on, I didn't have my empowerment, so
been hiding in my office most ofthe week.
I can't wear safety glasses. If you're beating cancer.
Who cares how you look? Right.
That's kind of how I looked at it too, so.
And just so you know, since yourphone is sideways, your picture

(37:11):
is super small. You don't look, I can't tell
that you're beat up at all. No, if I'm just saying, like, I
don't know, I wouldn't worry about it at all.
No, that's. Not me, that's not.
Me. Well, you're you're 1/4 of the
screen and then you're in. A.
You're 16 by 9, you're you're you're on your computer, right?
It's your widescreen, is what I'm saying.

(37:34):
So it's like built for IMAX and you're like?
You know what? I'm saying, I'm saying like you
do not look like any kind of like you've been punched.
Well. And actually.
That surprises me, since they told me that both of my eyes
would be blacked out or that I would have black eyes.
I. Had a little bit of a yellow

(37:55):
under my eye for about a day, a couple like last weekend and
nothing found I. Mean.
Even when I take the bandage off, you can barely even tell
that I have 17. Well, they had to do it in
layers, but it's really hard to tell.
I probably have about 10 stitches on on the outside do.
You have like cancer on your face.
Yeah, it was right here under myeye.

(38:17):
Skin cancer? Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, basal cell carcinoma, so.
So you just cut that shit out, huh?
Yeah, and you know what? I have to tell you that after
this experience, I can say unequivocally that there's never
any danger of me ever becoming acannibal because you can flesh

(38:39):
when it burns. It's the most nasty, disgusting
smell ever. Glad.
You hear stuff. And you?
Can like you. You can't feel anything, but I'm
telling you, I felt. With like a lifesaver and just.
Like, yeah. Well, first of all, they go in
with a melon baller and scoop out a chunk, OK?

(39:03):
And then they take it, look at it under the microscope, go back
in, take the melon baller, scoopout another scoop.
And each time between they use this Tulip where they cauterize
like they're like and you can. Yeah.
Oh God. Yeah, yeah, that's.

(39:26):
And it's right there at your face and your nose.
And they put this thing over your face, but it really just
traps it in under the the plastic coverage.
Oh, that's. Fun.
Get some air in there. It was shearing.
Flesh. Yes, but they give you really
awesome, awesome drugs afterwards.
Tylenol and ibuprofen. That's.

(39:47):
It. Tylenol and Ibuprofen over the
counter Shit so. No ibuprofen 8 headers like I
would just take four ibuprofen then.
That's no, you got to mix them up.
You got to take a couple of ibuprofen and a couple like that
was. Like a speedball of no pain
relief whatsoever. Right.

(40:09):
So you. Take you also.
Mix them up and you go ibuprofenand Advil and you mix them
together and it's almost like a real painkiller.
Almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so the worst thing was, is that they put a bandage on you
and they tell you you you can't do not remove the bandage for 48

(40:31):
hours. You can't get it wet, don't
remove it. So they slap this bandage that's
like the size of a maxi pad on your face and tell you to go out
in public. So yeah, the bandage right here
that I'm at right now is is a definite, definite step up from
what I had before. You know, I'm like, definitely

(40:54):
it. And of course I had to go to
bingo because it was a Fri. You know that next day or
Thursday, fuck that. Got to go to bingo.
Fuck. Going to.
Bingo. So all the old people were
afraid I had something that was contagious.
Nobody wanted to sit next to me.Oh.
Apocalypse, yeah. Right, I would know that I've

(41:19):
crashed into our our already in progress show who saw me have.
This video. OK, well, yeah, I saw that.
What? What you said.
Pat. Williams Oh yeah, no, I I saw
most of it. The three hour long truth
teller. Who?

(41:39):
Feels I watched 40 minutes of it.
I watched 40 minutes of it. The I found a highlight video
that was 35 minutes long and that seemed like more of my
speed than all three hour thing.It was long.
It was serious. It I kind of felt like he
exposed a lot about the business, right?

(42:02):
And a lot of truths about the business, his truth.
But I kind of felt like when he was talking, he said something
that kind of made me. He was like, I take people
funnier than me on the road, right?
And I'm and I'm like, that's a fucking bold ass statement, you

(42:24):
know what I'm saying? And I was.
Like he said, I only only take people funnier than me on the
road only. But funny is subjective though.
Sure. So it's easy to say.
It's easy for any of us to say, look, if you're sitting in a
room full of lawyers and one lawyer says, I take only lawyers

(42:49):
funnier than I am. Right.
What's what? There's there's no measurement.
You can't. You can't compare.
Jamal, what do you think about why he said that?
What do you think about that? You know what?
I thought I was like, you know what?
First of all, good for him. And that's kind of what I feel

(43:10):
like I do as well. You know what I'm saying?
Because again, funny is subjective.
I don't, you know, I never thinkthat as a headliner or I would
say borderline headliner. Let's let's you know, as a
borderline headliner. You know, I first of all, I take
people on the road that I feel comfortable with and who are
also funny. You know what I'm saying?

(43:31):
If you're now I never look at, you know, it was fun.
I was just talking to my brotherand you know, my brother really
liked your set. You know what I'm saying,
Jonathan? Yeah.
And he was like, yeah. And I was like yeah he's very
funny. He, I was like he's probably one
of the funniest guys I know you know and and we work all

(43:52):
together. So I never, you know, I I've, I
know I've offered you the headline shows and you kind of
are like well I'll do like this I'll do the feast.
So I would like to work with people, you know, if you're
comfortable, you know, doing thefeature or whatever, I'll always

(44:12):
put you in a place that you wantto be.
But I kind of felt like what what Katt Williams was saying
is, you know, if Katt Williams knows he's funny, he already
knows that. I mean, he's got.
Accolades. But I think he's.
I take the funniest person out of the bunch below me.
I take them on the road with me.You know, I've talked to, I've

(44:36):
had a conversation with Miss Pretty Ricky.
I know her father. I used to work with her father
and I saw a lot of her videos, but he mentioned her name.
I was like, oh, I know who she is.
I went and saw some of her videos.
I was like, yeah, I can see why you take her.
She's hilarious. You know what I'm saying?
He books women on his shows. I try my best to book a woman on

(44:58):
the show because I like having women perspective in comedy.
It only makes sense, you know, Idon't like as a man, I don't
like sitting through a through comedy shows with a bunch of
dudes. Right.
Right. You know what?
I'm. Saying even even as a man,
because it's boring to me. It's boring.

(45:18):
You're going to tell me. You know you're going to tell
like, no, it's just it's boring.It's dumb When you when you when
you sprinkle a couple of ladies in there, it it broadens the
show in my opinion. Right.
Well, here's, here's where I think if you give me like one
second about that what he said there, that I only take

(45:42):
comedians funnier than me on theroad and that's objective, is
people that he believes are better than him.
That's one of the keys I think, to success.
And some of the truth he told inthat interview is you have to
surround yourselves with people you admire.
Right. Yes.
You have to I. Think you have.
To one of the reasons like, and I'll be honest, this is one of

(46:05):
the reasons why my own personal motivation for wanting to have
Jonathan on our show is because from the from a time that we all
spent together that weekend, I feel like Jonathan elevates us
like he pushes us to be better versions of our self.
So he's sort of the fun stuff. But he he he strategically.

(46:28):
Marianne, if I had known that was the reason why, I would have
told you what a big mistake you were making.
No, I don't think so because I think that what you do is you
strategically like you, you are pushing us to to refine
ourselves, right. And and in a way that when
you're seeing things and you're and you do it in such a subtle

(46:51):
way. If I wasn't as observant as I
am, I wouldn't catch on. And and that's one of the things
that I like about it is that I'mlike, oh, I see what you did
there. But I like that because it helps
all of us grow. And I think that that's what you
should want. You should want to surround your
yourself with people who help you elevate who, who keep you on
point and and make you realize you need.

(47:15):
You can level up like you can take something.
Don't get lazy, don't take something that's a good product
and leave it when you can push it and make it better.
Well then you did the other halfan interview where he was saying
that that that, you know, Cedricand Harvey and all them dudes
would take people that they thought were worse than them out

(47:37):
so they would look better. I love the I love That Bernie
Mac story though because I watched the Kings of Comedy in
the movie theater and and and mind you Steve Harvey, such the
entertainer. Those are big comics out of.
Nowhere. Comes Bernie Mac.
And just. Shuts it.

(47:58):
Down. Killed it.
Killed it. He was like the opener.
He like, follow me now. And they're like, oh God, I
don't. I would rather not.
You know what I'm saying Should.Have that you should have a lot
of that, I'll. I'll tell you.
I'll even tell you this story. I did.
AI was booked on a show near theTacoma Community College.

(48:21):
Me, my homies, we go in and there's TV's everywhere, and
they're showing Bernie Mac. They're showing Bernie Mac doing
comedy. And I was like, which I thought
was weird. I'm like, why?
Why are you guys watching this? And they were like, oh, this

(48:42):
show was this, this, this comedyspecial is almost over.
And then we're going to start the show.
And I was like, wait, wait, wait, you expect us?
So I would not follow Bernie Macon TV.
And I said, no, I'm not doing this.
And I walked out. I was like, I'm not doing this.
I'm not going. I need that much respect.

(49:03):
And he was alive back then, but I have that much respect for the
people. That's that.
I wouldn't even want to do a comedy show after they turn off
the TV with them on it. I'm like, no, what?
That's disrespectful. And the audience is, is fucking
dumb. If they think that I'm going to
host the show behind Bernie Mac.I was like, anybody else want to

(49:25):
do it? I hopped in my car and I left.
Yeah, I want. To go.
I mean look it, you know, and Marianne also thank you for, for
saying that. It's very nice of you to say I
don't know how true it is, but, you know, but I think what you
did pick up is like for me, you know, I'm always, I'm always
trying to get better at, you know, I'm always trying to just
be like a better person, a funnier person.

(49:46):
Like you know, comedy makes me happy because I get to, you
know, it challenges me and I getto be better, you know, with
with, with, you know, with applying myself.
But it's also a thing that, you know, you know, as opposed to
like, you know, as opposed to like a different hobby.
Like if I was like an avid reader of of science fiction,
like, it just benefits me. But I feel like comedy benefits

(50:06):
others too, right? You're making other people laugh
and you know, but there's just the whole, you know, making
things better. Life optimization, you know
that's that's the that's the thing I think a lot about, like
I'm always thinking about how tomake things a little bit better,
get a little sharper, a little more efficient.
You know, you know, all that stuff.
I mean I think I think that's a nice way to live like always in

(50:28):
pursuit of like making things better.
You know. And and you're right.
You should be around people. They say you're the you're the
you know. If you want to, you get a
depiction of a person, You look at their five closest friends
and I'll tell you everything youneed to know about that person
in the middle, you know. You have five friends, right?
And that's what I would think. Wow.
Wow. It's, yeah.

(50:52):
Even more on the call right now.You know and but you know but
yeah but you know and then I think we should all push each
other as friends. We should all push each other to
like to do our best right to to to write our best and and and
and all that shit. You know and just and just make
good choice of like be be a leader.
You know be a leader in your community and that's you know

(51:12):
it's it's not the road most travelled but why would you do
it any other. Let's choose Daredevil, I told
you. I don't mean to be all preaching
and shit up here. I'm not, you know, religious
person, but. No, I don't think.
I don't think that that's you know, I think that that's a
great way that we should live. There's a difference.
I have a a very strong belief that there's a a world of

(51:36):
difference between living and existing.
And. You're just existing.
I feel sorry for you, I feel. You know if.
You're just existing. You're just there.
But if you're live, you're actually taking action.
You're doing stuff. Yeah.
You know. There's a problem if you're if

(51:58):
you're existing, you're probablycontent, you know, If you're
living, you're playing the highsand lows both.
So like when you're low, existing sounds real good.
Yeah, when you're high, it just doesn't sound like that big of a
deal. But like I I would never want to
just live on that line personally.

(52:18):
You know, I like the highs and lows.
I think it's great, but. I.
Mean. It's necessary living, living.
Takes living. Definitely takes work.
Yeah, I. Mean that's.
It's also it's also like what your mom was talking about
earlier how like to do comedy, you have to not be afraid to
fail. I want to talk about this
because I was. I was having a conversation a
little while ago about about basketball and my buddy, my

(52:42):
buddy was a Phillies fan. He kept talking about the
process and trusting the process.
I object. I'll tell you why.
And he was such an advocate for he was like Oh my God the
process of the shit you got these great teams the next thing
shit because of that you know. And I was like that's not that's
not true. Like you want like OK this way
like if your team is always in the second round of the playoffs
you're like yeah you're not a champion but you know where your

(53:04):
are. You're like, oh I need a
three-point shooter or I need toback up big.
You're making small things to keep it better.
But if your idea is to tank, youknow, then then don't expect
growth anytime soon. You know.
If you're always tanking, you'llnever know what you're capable
of doing. You know, so you know, I've also
met comics or mikers. I should say.
Maybe not comic, but mikers willsay, well, I want to just keep

(53:26):
bombing as hard as I can. So I'm, I'm bulletproof to the
pain of bombing. Like, why is that your fucking
goal? You know, your goal should be
killing it as often as you can. Then take your lumps when you're
not, but figure out why it didn't go well and then do it
better next time. You know I don't.
Trust anybody who says that they're bombing on purpose.
I don't trust anybody who continues to get on stage more

(53:48):
than five times if they're saying that they're bombing on
purpose because like we all, we all have bombed.
There's no, I mean, if you ever get on stage, you're lying to
yourself. You're fucking delusional to the
massive degree. If you say I've never bombed, if

(54:09):
you've only done it once or twice, sure, you've never
bombed. But if you've done this for any
length of time, you've bombed. But it's a growth experience.
It's a great thing that, you know, you wipe the taste of shit
out of your mouth and you know, it might take a couple of days,
but you do it and then you go back and go what?
What could? What should I have done?

(54:31):
OK, that sucked. What am I going to do different
next time so that doesn't happenagain?
You know, how do I rewrite that?How do I recreate something
better? Are you a comedian as well?
Yeah. Yes, OK.
So I'm all new to this. Like I'm the only not comedian
person. Like I tried it.
I did it for a little while, open mics, whatever.

(54:52):
But like, I I was just wondering.
I didn't know that you were alsoa comedian.
Oh yeah, so. Well, I got some Youtubes to
look up after this. If we can, I want to.
I want to go back to the Katt Williams interview for for a
minute. Yes.
So and there's there's a lot there that we can talk about
that we can unpack. But to Jamal's point, bringing

(55:13):
funny people with him, I mean, I'll be honest, like I'm a fan
of a lot of the comics I work with.
Like I'm just a fan. I just think people are funny
and they're funny if they if they're, if they come from
authentic places, right. So yeah, technically someone
could be on this level working at this many clubs or making
this amount of money or whateverThe thing is and they and they
and they can be bringing people lower on those levels.

(55:34):
But if they just find them funnier, they just find it funny
because like their stories are original and they're fresh and
they got a fresh perspective on shit like you.
We should be building each otheroff, not like competing and like
self aggrandizing and saying oh,I'm better than this, I'm better
than that. Like ego.
Ego is a great, you know, it's agreat depriver of joy and

(55:56):
progress, you know. So, you know, I think we have to
you. Know and.
So I so I think what Kat's doingis smart.
Also, trust me, he's not giving them the same an hour on stage
he's given himself, but he's still a competitive
motherfucker. So, you know, here's 10 minutes
for you. Here's 15 minutes for you.
You know, and Kat's still doing you know what Kat needs to do
for you know, for himself and for his audience, you know.

(56:18):
And I respect that. He does that.
You know, again, I respect the way that he books the shows and
the people that he brings with them.
You know, whenever I go out to Seattle, like I know the people
who are who are working. I know the people who are
getting up. I mean, I'll call a guy and just
be like, hey, who's funny out there that you think I should

(56:39):
reach out to and I'll get 8 names.
Use this same name, I'll get 8 names.
Hey, this guy's blowing up. This guy's on tour right now.
This guy's, this guy's doing that.
You know, like I could call Dennis Stanford, you know
Dennis, I like his name. I like that kid because.
He. Actually puts in the work, you

(57:03):
know. He.
He's been doing it for a good while.
I mean, he's still working his way up, but I love to be.
I would. I love giving him every chance.
If I'm like bro, if I'm in town,you're going to be on a show
because he's always trying new things.
I don't care if he fails on if he if he if a joke that he does

(57:24):
on on my show. He makes the show good and he's
a good locker room guy. So sometimes you kind of need
those people around, you know what I'm saying?
So I love that kid is like my little brother.
I love him to death. And of course you you know you
met Vanessa Don. Vanessa Don.
Amazing. I love having her on shows
because she's another great locker room girl.

(57:47):
Makes the show better. I want my show to be better.
I want to be on a good show. I don't be personally, and I
know I've said this 1000 times on this podcast, so I'll say it
1000 * 1000 times and one I do not want to be the funniest
person on the show no matter where I'm at.
I want everybody to be funny andI want to be able to walk away

(58:08):
saying I was on a good show. Yeah, everybody their way.
You know, the show that we did in Seattle at at at Comedy Slash
Bar was amazing. It was so much fun.
Watch you. Guys.
And the lineup was incredible. I mean, shit, women out

(58:29):
outnumbered. The men have no problem with
that. No issue with that.
The show was great. You guys brought it, you know,
So I I. Felt really bad.
I miss that show dude. I really do.
Like, you know, I went to work, I didn't have a car, blah blah
blah excuse excuse. Like, I wish I would have seen

(58:51):
you when you were in town, dude.Oh, it was fun.
It was amazing, you know, and and I'm not saying that just to
say this because I'm watching from a distance, I could hear
the, I could hear the audience, you know, laughing at, you know,
all the guys that went up beforeme.
And that's the encouraging part.It's like, you know what?
Those guys can walk away feelinggood that they were a part of a

(59:16):
good show and they did their part in that good sense.
Right. Oh yeah, it.
Was fun. It was definitely.
It was a fun weekend and I I really enjoyed it.
And it was, I'm distracted here because I think somebody's got
it like a squeaky phone. Am I the only one hearing that?

(59:38):
Is it mine? I don't know.
I hear it too. It's like a little bit faticky.
Like somebody's outside or something.
I'm not outside or anything to back up those.
I think it's. I think it's complicated.
Yeah, I hear the. Turn your head to the left
again, Shane. There you go.
It went away. All right.

(59:59):
Were you good? Could be the cord to the.
Left, it went away. Just look left for the.
Rest of the time, hey, this picture Jamal I drew?
Almost done. Wow.
Shit. And see here's here's version
two, point O. He's looking like a common over

(01:00:20):
there. So Shane, what do you do You're
with you know we're comics but like what is your your.
I'm an illustrator and a fuckingshit poster on Facebook who met
Jamal and he was like, hey, comeon my show.
And I'm like, I'm not a comedian.

(01:00:41):
I was all scared. I was like, dude, but I'm not a
comedian though. He's like, Nah, come on, come do
it. I was like, yeah, man, that was
pretty much a story. So do you live here in in like
the Pacific Northwest or? Oh, you live in the Northwest
too? Yeah, I live in Everett.
OK, so I live down in Sumner, soa little bit.

(01:01:04):
I'm on the Pacific, dude. I'll go in the Pacific.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, right.
On the street. Yeah.
Oh, that's cool. Yeah.
So you you've actually you meantJamal because of Facebook?
We yes. And he was actually friends with
the guy who I'm friends with from when I did comedy, Jonas

(01:01:28):
Barnes, who's actually. OK.
So, you know, Jonas, OK, yeah. We're like buddies.
OK, OK, that explains. That's a that's.
A ten years later, I meet Jamal on Facebook.
That's how that worked. That goes back to what Jonathan

(01:01:50):
was saying, that about five of your close friend.
You told me. Your friends, good friends,
Jonas. That tells me a lot.
It shows me a lot. No, you you can't even say
anything bad about Jones Bonds around me without getting into
trouble. I love that.
Dude, he's bad about him. I'm.
Not talking about I'm no, no, no, I'm not.
Certainly. I'm just saying like, I love
that dude so much. He's great.

(01:02:12):
I know I have. I I know Jonas and I've worked
with Jonas in the past. It was a long.
Time ago. Class act all the way, Yeah,
yeah. I We've had.
We've had him on before. Oh, have you?
Cool. That's crazy.
You know, Jonas is like a Brooklyn guy.
I've, I've been on some lineups with him.

(01:02:34):
We've chatted haven't really spent time getting to know each
other but hearing everybody herespeaks so highly of him, that's
that's nice. I'll try to go out of my way
next time to, you know, just. You like him A.
Lot sounds like a good dude. Yeah, one of.
The things that I really appreciated about him is that he

(01:02:54):
definitely didn't fall into a lot of the, the, I want to say
drama of working in the clubs and stuff.
He was like, fuck you, I'm goingto do my own thing and he did
like the Triple X shows and he'slike, this is who I am and I'm
not about to change, didn't he? He, I think he's also the one
that booked the swinger show clubs.

(01:03:18):
There's a swinger club that he would book the show he's in and.
Like I felt like you took a. Turn and you.
It sounds like something you would do, Yeah.
On the comedy show The Swinger'sClub, I believe it.
If he invoked it, he definitely did the show.
He definitely has done the show,yeah.
He's done he. Used to smut, and he carried

(01:03:40):
that on to New York. Yeah, I actually drew some of
the some of the promotional Flyers for smut when I was still
in Seattle. It's so.
Sad that I didn't get to do workwith smut because I really
wanted to. Because that's more like, like
you don't have to hold back. You can just be authentic.
You talk about being authentic. I could be fucking me and not

(01:04:02):
have to worry about, you know, people being offended by
something I said. Oh yeah.
That's but I think that you knowback then when he did that the
the standard for smart or what they consider cross.
You know, like being dirty has certainly changed a lot.

(01:04:24):
That line has has. Moved.
Yeah. But I think a lot of it is
because of people like Jonas andother people that are booking
shows like that, that shows thatthere's an audience for just
like The Dope Show. There's an absolutely an
audience for that, but there's absolutely Tyler.
Tyler I actually booked him on one of my little shows back in

(01:04:49):
like 2010 and poke some scrap with him before the show.
Next thing you know is doing theDope Show.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, way back.
He's been doing that show for a while now too, and it's like, it
just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and I'm so happy for him,
dude. Like shit works out.

(01:05:12):
This will tell you how long I'vebeen doing comedy.
I was there the first time Tylergot on stage and I don't even
know what was the. 1st. Time was it, laughs in Like
Kirkland. No.
No, no. It was in the Tacoma.
The Tacoma Comedy Underground. Love it.

(01:05:35):
Love it. Yeah, that's not there anymore.
Hello, CCC is cool. Jay Yeah.
Nate Jackson's super funny comedy club too in Tacoma.
Oh yeah, I love that place. Did we stop at Nate's when you

(01:05:59):
guys were here? Did we stop?
Where? No, I don't think we did Nate's.
I don't think we did. You and I did.
Yes, yeah, Jonathan had already left us.
He'd already moved on back to New to Poconos.
I went back to my I went back tomy my East Coast roots.

(01:06:22):
My hiding ground. Yeah, I missed you guys.
I'll be honest. I texted Romeo a couple times
afterward, too, just to say, yeah.
How's he doing? I'm oh, I miss him.
I will, I will. He's, I'm telling you, like he
said, he's a fungus. He's like a fun.
He's a. Tell him I miss him first.

(01:06:44):
Though I want to come back and do some more fingers, that $400
is still burning a hole in my pocket.
Oh my God, I'm telling you. So I called him.
I think they said there's a Tuesday.
I called him Tuesday afternoon and he answers the phone and I

(01:07:06):
go, are you at bingo? And he's like.
Yes, I was. Like, no.
I knew. I knew.
I just felt it. And I'm over here working.
I'm at my day job and he's over there fucking one, 500 bucks.
I'm like. Andrew where did?

(01:07:27):
That guy go at muckle Shoot. Occasionally I go there.
Where do you usually go? BJ's.
Oh shit. I know now I'm giving them free
promotion. I'm talking about BJ's.
Yeah. Oh, we got off topic, so back to

(01:07:50):
Katt Williams. So here's here's my question.
Do you think so? Katt Williams, it was 2 hours,
46 minutes. I we had to watch it in two
cities because it was just so long.
Do you think that he told the hewas completely truthful or do
you think he he colored it up with some exaggerations?

(01:08:12):
Can I just real just real quick and then Jamal will give you
the, I think his exaggerations came in, you know, touting his
own physical ability like the ability to run a 4340 and how he
plays with 20 something year oldbasketball players and he's like
96.3. Like I don't know if he thinks
he's a giant athlete, like an elite level athlete, but I just

(01:08:36):
don't see it. So to answer your question, I
think he lied a little bit. As far as the stories with the
others, you know a lot of it. Felt like he was.
After after Jamal, I got an answer for this too that I think
is pretty poignant. Yeah, as.
Far as all of that, like the personal stuff and his
attributes of what he could do, I kind of glossed over that that

(01:08:59):
like, you know what, Good for you, you know, good for you that
you think that you're a mighty mouse.
That's fine as far as everythingabout the comedy.
Now again, whether the joke stealing thing, I kind of felt
like he told his truth. I mean, why would he go on a
show like that and lie for two hours and 46 minutes?

(01:09:22):
You know, I'm saying why put your career at risk like that?
And again, he called out people that he felt offended him.
And you know what the thing about comedy is?
And I tell and I tell a joke about this, especially in the
form of comedy competitions. Hey, comedy competitions, We're
enemies, you know what I'm saying?
I'm trying to win this. You know what I'm saying outside

(01:09:44):
of that. Hey, we're great.
We could be friends, we could dothe same show or whatever, but
deep down, we really like each other.
I mean, present company excluded, of course.
But you know, I kind of felt like he had a lot to say.
He got a platform to say it and he shook the core of stand up

(01:10:06):
comedy. And sometimes you need a person
to do that. I applaud him for saying the
things that he said pointing out.
And again he would even This person is not funny.
I'm like, damn cat, this person is only has I have 12 comedy
specials. This person don't even have one.
What does that tell you? You know what I'm saying?

(01:10:28):
I've watched out of the eight comedy special he has done, I've
only watched eight of them. And you know what he.
Gets. Funny every time.
I don't think Williams has neverdone an unfunny special.
In my opinion, that guy is smart, he's funny, he's
talented. And the fact that he's able to

(01:10:48):
call out somebody like Kevin Hart, I'm like.
Good for you, Kevin Hart, because I can tell you had beef,
but I wasn't clear. What was he saying about Kevin?
It's like Kevin's funny. Right that.
Kevin Hart was a plant. Right.
You know, like Kevin because Kevin Hart, you know from he's

(01:11:10):
from Philadelphia, you know, hadto start in Philly and now he's
in LA you know, doing the moviesthat Katt Williams got asked to
do first basically, you know, and every time.
And Katt was like, well, whenever I try to, you know,
he's like I can play a pimp. I can play this.
I want to play a character that's different from what I'm
used to being. And you know, whenever there

(01:11:32):
would be like, well, we'll just give this part to somebody else,
we'll give it to Kevin Hart and he'll do whatever, you know,
he's like, why does why does this character have to be in a
dress? I don't, you know, like, you
know. You know, I think, I think the
first thing first is that light comedy truth is subjective and I
don't believe the truth because he believed it.

(01:11:53):
That was the truth. Like he didn't say nothing that
he didn't genuinely believe was true, right?
But at the other time, partly atthe end of the interview, he
said, well, I'm not doing this boost for myself up.
I'm not doing this to put other people down to put me up.

(01:12:15):
And the whole fucking interview,all he did was talk about
himself. Like you said, oh, I play
basketball, 2020 year olds. I can run a 450 in 3 minutes or
whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm a king of comedy.
I'm the king of comedy. I'm the king of comedy.
I'm the king of comedy. He measured himself as the king

(01:12:35):
like four times and then at the end they say I'm not doing this.
Pick myself up and say this in his career.
World War Three on Netflix is top ten in the US today.
It came out years ago. Two years.
Why does that happen today? He's smart as fuck and I don't

(01:12:59):
think he told any lies to him. Was subjective.
Like, this person's funny, this person's not.
But I think there's also a lot of truth in you can't let both
run shit. You can't let lies run shit.
Somebody's got to tell the truth, and that's what he did.
But is it, like, technically thetruth all the time?

(01:13:23):
We'll wait and see, but I know Chris Tucker's on fucking
Epstein list. I know that.
So I mean, but so is a lot of people that have come in contact
with them. You know that list.
And mind you. There's there's one way for Part

(01:13:44):
2 of that list to come out. That's that this is not a
complete. List.
It's a way for more games to come out.
No. I got, I got to say, that's one
of the funniest ways to, you know, realize how Chris Tucker
has changed. He's like it's not the Chris
Tucker of the original Friday, right?
That kid with Blues and knee andstanny.
You know it's the Chris Tucker of Epstein Island.

(01:14:05):
Like that was so fucking funny of this chin.
No. I to myself was like, do you
think Epstein was out for every guest or just like the special
guest, Like like some guests, you know, some guests like maybe
didn't want the kids and but they still came to the island,
right? Like, she always started on that
list, you know what I mean? Like, I wasn't.
I'm pretty sure she wasn't. Like could you bring out the 14

(01:14:28):
year old like I'm? Like 10 times though.
Yeah, you know, but no, I don't think it's not.
The beautiful scenery at 10 times.
You think Trump went on that, that met him and was like, you
know what, no kids today? I got my daughters.

(01:14:49):
That's a day. Couldn't have been right.
No, no, I. Got I got my.
I got my little ones with me. You could send another little
one so the ones that I don't play with can play with them,
but. People are actually like, I'm
not an Epstein, Nepal. People are acting like Epstein
just had a bunch of little kids running around like it was
Animal Farm, you know, and. You know, Donna brings up a good

(01:15:13):
point because there are going tobe a lot of people on that list
that were invited for like a party, like a genuine.
Act. Like Private Ireland and party
for the night and we'll put you on the flat Ledger and fly you
in on a private fucking jet. And like, you don't even have to
fuck kids. It's cool.
It's this is not the fucking party.

(01:15:33):
But. There's gonna be a lot of.
People on that list too, Like maybe Jimmy Kimmel, I don't
know. Maybe.
Maybe. Maybe he just went to party once
and now he's fucked. Well, I mean, it's like, hey,
you don't have to fuck kids. I also have a fondue fountain
that you could just like, you know, come, don't fuck, come for

(01:15:54):
the kids, stay for the fondue. You know what I'm saying?
Like. No, I'll cut him back.
Chris Turner's like, hey, I'll be back every week.
He's eating the fondue and now he's like, you're trying.
He's like, no, I'm not. I'm Smokey.
He's eating the fondue. No.
No, actually. Actually, he comes back as
Michael Jackson because he does a great Michael Jackson

(01:16:15):
impersonation and also impersonates fucking children as
Michael Jackson. So.
Yeah, See, Michael? Tucker's on that list.
He's on that list by impersonation, proximity.
That's what it is. It could have been Chris Tucker
or it could have been Michael Jackson.
Who knows? Who really knows?

(01:16:38):
That, that's that's my take on it.
I could be wrong. I'm probably wrong as fuck, but
I'm I'm. I'm probably near right.
Is that a good chance? Is that Chris Tucker with the
with on the with that kid on thebusiness end of his Dick?
Like what What's that but like? I heard, I heard when he when he

(01:16:59):
feeds everybody he makes a really good salad and and he and
for dressing you Neverland Ranch.
Oh. That, that, that was that one's

(01:17:19):
buzzing, all right? That's the joke of the night
right there. Maybe corn and maybe spinning.
I don't know. Between between the Chris Tucker
and Michael Jackson combo, you never see them in the same room
and that Neverland. Oh yeah, Brilliant.
Yeah. You never see in the same room.

(01:17:40):
Yeah, it's funny. I like I would ask, I would
always like, you know, my non famous friends, don't worry,
you're in. No, you're in no danger of being
listed as one of Epstein's. You know, people don't worry,
but Oh my God. Yeah, like we talked about it
last week. You know, Leonardo DiCaprio,

(01:18:02):
Cate Blanchett. But we already kind of knew that
Leo. He likes him young.
Anyway, a. Little sketchy, yeah.
He's a fantastic artist, great actor, but he's a little sketchy
dude. Little bit.
Oh, you're 20 now? OK, this is where I leave you.
Bye. Bye.

(01:18:25):
You know, go. Home.
Go home or go to college, whatever, you know, like just my
house. Here's some money.
Here's some money. Go do it.
You just fucking Tony Starks theshit out of him.
I wish I cracked like Leonardo DiCaprio, because I bet you
anything Leo fucks hard his he'sa little dude, but like, he gets

(01:18:49):
after him. You you think he's banging like
you know, as if he's searching for the fountain of youth?
Oh geez, don't get me started onthat shit.
It's keeping him relevant. Oh man, he's going to fucking
Jennifer Aniston's pizza partiesthen.
How about that? I didn't even know Jennifer

(01:19:11):
Aniston ate food. Like when did this happen?
I'm like it's a party where you just look at pizza maybe like.
Yeah. Around eating pizza together.
These are the foods that I. 50 years.
Ago pizza in DC and just look atthe pizza and there's not
actually like a secret room downstairs where you eat

(01:19:32):
children's blood or anything. That's fine.
That's why Jeffrey has to look so good.
It's because she's looking at pizza but doesn't need it.
Maybe. Talking about salad and pizza
and. Oh, don't forget the salad.
I. Said salad.
I was just bother. I have all day been cooking pork

(01:19:56):
chops in the slow cooker. They come out at 8 PMI.
Put that shit in at 1:00 PM. Oh, lordy, lordy, oh, Jennifer
has to come over and have some of these pork chops.
They're going to be delicious. I'm the one who's I'm like the
that comedian that that's all drunk on the show.
Sorry you guys. Dude, that beer looks so.

(01:20:21):
Good. Like I practically smell it.
Here. It looks good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Did anything else stand out about the cat Williams?
Yeah, he's. Talking.
I don't know. I don't care for that.
I feel like you. Do for me a lot.

(01:20:43):
Boiled down to what he said is that he's bullying, OK?
He clicks OK and he's sick of fucking liars.
The people that just come out and it's like what they do.
And we all know people that way,that just whatever they do,
they're fucking lying. And.

(01:21:05):
And whatever reason, and he evensaid that trying to find the
reason that a liar lies is like fool's gold.
You'll never find it. It's it's not real.
Like they just lie. That's just in in their heart or
whatever. You know.
I think Kat Williams really brought that out And he said, he

(01:21:28):
said to Shannon who's like 350 lbs of pure beef.
Like you know how bullies act and he's like, yeah, I do.
You know even that dude that waslike tearing out of his shirt
was like, yeah, I've been bullied dude.
And it's bullshit. And I think that was a big part
of Kat Williams little speech because that we got to break up

(01:21:49):
with that And hopefully in 2024,you know we've already had we've
already had COVID. We've already had Epstein
Island. Like like let's not deal with
these people anymore. To the forefront in whatever
version. In his version might technically
the truth, like I said earlier, but there's definitely truth to

(01:22:11):
it. Has his own career.
He's already in there. He's already got 10 kids, you
know he's that one is fine. He'll be OK.
You know what though? That did surprise me though.
So here's a couple things that really surprised me.
And and I have a hard time. I have a really hard time when

(01:22:31):
somebody tells me I'm calling out liars and then they lie.
I have a hard time with that. Like, OK, 3000 books a year.
OK, I'm I'm going to tell you something.
My sister was the most ferociousreader I've ever met in my life.
She never put a book down. OK, 3000 books a year is 8 books

(01:22:56):
a day. Let me tell you something, my
sister at her best could read three books a day and she never
put a book down. And she was the most ferocious
reader I've ever met in my life.Like, that's a shit ton of books
I've read. I read a book.
It took me one book took me. I didn't sleep it it was 3200

(01:23:18):
pages. It took me 18 hours to read it.
That's a fuck ton of and and so it's just not physically
possible. I don't care who you are.
Like, what are you doing? You reading flip books?
I mean, and he said that they were nonfiction.
So what exactly like and he talks about how he's he was
reading full on books when he was three years old.

(01:23:41):
I'm thinking based on what information because I like, I
have a really good memory too. But I don't remember shit that I
was doing at 3:00. That's the memory of things that
people were telling you. That's implanted memories.
So how? Much of this stuff is true
versus the truth that that people are putting in there.
So I do believe. I I do believe that everybody

(01:24:04):
was talking about cat doing drugs and saying that he's on
drugs and he said that he didn'tdo any drugs because when he
moved out he was 13, he he was 13 and he he moved to Florida
and he was out on the street with doctors and lawyers and
housewives and all these people who lost everything due to drugs

(01:24:30):
and he never wanted to be that person.
So I was watching and Romeo was like yes, he goes that's the
reason why I've never done drugsbecause you watch people and
what the drugs do to them you don't want any part of that.
And so and I I do believe that. I do believe that, but I don't
believe like I'm having a like Ihave a hard time with all the

(01:24:52):
other stuff like 19 felonies. How do you have 19 felonies and.
I remember when he was in Portland, he got arrested in
Portland. He was the rest of like, a gang
of times. He got he got arrested in
Seattle. I was just looking up the the

(01:25:14):
because I remember Katt Williamswas in town and he got arrested.
So because of. His actions.
I was in jail with somebody who was in jail with Katt Williams.
When he's in King County, they got moved to Snomish County and
he was like, Katt Williams was cool.
He was just hanging out. I'm just being crazy as a

(01:25:39):
motherfucker. We have to remember too, that
like, you have to give respect to the fact that Katt Williams
is crazy. Yes.
Rattles. The guy's batshit nuts, and I
know that because I suffer from bipolar and psychosis myself.
I'm well medicated, but I'm doing the damn thing.
Everything's fine. However, if I'm off those meds,

(01:26:01):
boy, I'll be coming out to my show doing push ups and then go
to King County Jail. Yeah, use so it out of it.
You have to respect the fact that he's a little crazy.
Yes. And to your point, like if Katt
Williams claims have read 3000 books, I know people who read a

(01:26:24):
lot. You know what?
When they read that much, they talk a little bit differently,
right? But I'm, I'm A and I'm a fan of
his comedy. Like, I love his comedy, right?
But he talks about every man shit.
Like if I read 3000 books, I'd be talking about solar systems
and fucking historical figures. And like, all this for time
travel, all this crazy shit. And like, he just talks to every
man stuff, right? Awesome.

(01:26:46):
And then chicken Nuggets and chicken.
You know he's. Every man, right?
He's an everyman type, right? Like there are.
So there's a Neil deGrasse Tyson.
I'm sure there are comics who are just really nerdy and
related to books and fits, so like that also just kind of
doesn't add up, you know? Right, the three.
Thousand books a year. It's not just saying I've read
3000 books, he said. I read 3000 books a year.

(01:27:09):
Yeah. That's, you know, like some of
the his things. Like I'm saying a liar's going
to lie and then he turns around and says I I'm a genius.
I've written, you know, So this is where I'm saying I have a
hard time. If you're going to tell me, if
you're going to sit here and preach to me about a liar's
going to lie and you're calling out the truth and then you lie,

(01:27:30):
that's. Good point.
Everything that's that's the same kind of philosophy as this.
I love you, but OK, when you saythis, in a sense I love you.
But right there, everything thatyou just said is negated before

(01:27:51):
the but. Push back on that.
I love you, but you're snoring keeps me awake at night.
I love you, but you're looking make.
A throw up. I love you, but you know there
aren't some exceptions, you know.
I love you, but your toenails scrape me during the night.
You need a clip of honey. I'm not saying, I'm not saying

(01:28:14):
that there's not true to what you're saying.
What I'm saying is, is that anything that comes after but is
is negating. Like you're trying to soften the
blow. Like instead of saying look
bitch, you don't know you're cutting each night.
You know. What about what?
What about what comes in butt? Oh, there.
That's totally. But there's some butt stuff.

(01:28:40):
I'm sorry. I I just can't get off the butt
stuff. We're talking about half an hour
ago. I'm still thinking about it.
I'm sorry. No, no, you're talking about
serious shit. I I totally was like, they're
never going to invite me back onthe show again after that butt
stuff thing, so. We haven't gotten into the the,

(01:29:01):
the dredges. Yet as as you were saying,
because I'm intrigued now because you were saying I love
you, but. Right.
Yes, And then, you know, it's almost like saying why are you
bullshitting bullshitters? Right, exactly.
That's my point. Like, if you want to prove your

(01:29:23):
point cat, narrow down about your accolades and patting
yourself on the back and throwing your arm out while
you're doing it. Like, keep it, keep it as it is.
Like, that shows me a a an enormous ego, right?
But also if you. Won't listen to an ego.

(01:29:44):
Like, yeah. Oh, nothing.
Forget about it. I was like, wow, this guy must
have. I didn't remember ever hanging
out with Kat where he inherited an ego that big.
Wow. I was like, OK, yeah, but at the
same time, like, as I mean, I guess in some cases you kind of

(01:30:05):
got to tap yourself on the back because again, comedy is hard.
This shit is hard. It.
Is very hard. We put a lot of.
Years. I mean I could count how many
relationships I have. Been in and out.
While I've been in comedy, health scares, you know,
bombings. Oh my God, I I felt, I feel like

(01:30:26):
a a war veteran, you know, because of all the bombings I've
done in some of these towns I'vebeen in.
You know, it's just like it. This shit is not easy, but when
you do. It for a while.
I mean, it's muscle memory. You're used to it.
You're you're, you're you, you know, you're you, you know how

(01:30:46):
to deal with certain situations.But at the same time, you know
when people are like, wow, I don't think I could ever go up
there and do it. I'm like, sure you can.
You just might want to slit yourwrist in the process of doing
it. This shit is very difficult, so.
Anytime I see a comic like 10 years in, I'm like, all right,
we got a lot of shit to talk about or.

(01:31:07):
You. I bet you have.
Stories and our stories are probably paralleled with each
other, but this shit is not. I mean, so, so for somebody like
Cat to be like yo, these are thethings that happened to me while
I was coming up you. Know what I'm saying?
The joke that you talked about what secretary the entertainer
stole from him. I researched it.

(01:31:28):
I was like, oh shit, almost verbatim, minus the last.
You. Know.
What I'm saying so so really think about it.
Imagine. You finding out that somebody
takes the premise of a joke thatyou've.
Been telling and and the person.That you don't like or was
never. Really down with is telling.

(01:31:48):
This joke that that I don't. Want to meet the man that thinks
that that's OK? OK.
That's fine, I'll just have to write a credit.
I heard something on the radio today that pissed me off, but
thank you for reminding me because now I got to go tell
somebody. Another comic here locally.
Hey, by the way, one of the comics that's on the the local

(01:32:11):
radio station told your fucking Joe on the air not just once,
but told it twice to try and getthose second rounds of laughs.
And the the comic that I know has told it has.
AT shirt. Sells AT shirt that has that
punch line on it. Another comic's joke.

(01:32:37):
Sue there is a comic local comichere.
Been working here forever. Michael Walters.
I'm going to say names could smell like a big surprise.
So Michael Walters. OK, OK, he has AT shirt that he
sells that says chicken pot pie.Three of my favorite things,

(01:33:01):
which is actually, yeah, I like that chicken pot pie.
Three of my favorite things and I know that he sells these
shirts because my husband went to the printer and picked up
some because he long story I've.Seen that joke on the Internet?
Like a long time ago? On the Internet of the meme?
In a meme like 5. OK, that sounds that that part

(01:33:25):
sounds more real because the thethe the old comic that put it on
the T-shirt, he just started selling them recently and he's
known for stealing rooms. I don't doubt that he's but
here's the deal comics. I always question if did they

(01:33:47):
actually steal the joke from you.
Or. Is it something that there's,
there's a similar theme that comes up Seattle International
Comedy Competition. The person who, Oh my God, I
just drew a blank. Greg, Greg.
Peter, Greg. He was the challenge management

(01:34:10):
for the Seattle International Comedy Competition for years and
he gets film from comics all over the world to try and get
in. He usually gets about 5-6
hundred tapes a year and he goesthrough them all.
And the one thing that he said is that every single year

(01:34:31):
there's usually one thread that'll pop up.
It'll be one, you know, whatever1 theme it is that all the
comics are writing jokes about, he goes.
And these are comics from all over the world.
They don't have any interaction with each other and their jokes
are very similar or the same. So where are they coming up with
it? It's not something that was on

(01:34:52):
the Internet. It wasn't something.
And there there is what I call that universal learning, where
people are, you know, they say kids are born nowadays.
They're faster with computers than we ever were as older
elders. Well, yeah, that's part of that
universal learning that, you know, just tapping into that.
So that's being. Said if your is your sorry, it's

(01:35:18):
so talk about university and areyou talking about the way we're
all on different but we all knowabout Epstein and we all know
about Katt Williams. We all follow like current
events like, is that what you'retalking about or or no?
Was it one of those? Great minds think a lifetime.
You want real trippy, like a real thing, like a scientific
study. They did.

(01:35:39):
Check this out. OK, So what they did was they
took like 100 monkeys and put them on an island like monkeys
hanging out having a good time. Exactly what?
You're talking about. Yep, Yep.
Check this out. Food.
Food starts running out. So what they do is they put like
melons on the island, covered insand and dirt on the beach.

(01:36:00):
And these monkeys started like starving because like the normal
food was gone. But then they brushed off the
melons and showed them how to break them open right, and eat
them. And they loved them.
So what they did was they 100 totally different monkeys.
And put. Them on the island with the sand
covered melons and they all needto press them off and eat them.

(01:36:24):
Yeah, this is, this is what they're talking about when when
they call it universal learning.This is kind of quantum physics
is one of the things when they yeah, it's under quantum physics
and they talk about universal learning where we don't have to
be necessarily to learn from each other as humans.

(01:36:46):
We don't even have to be on the same continent that if if
somebody on another continent ispicking up on it, it's it's
almost like on those higher energies that are are in like
the air or however you want to put it in in in the universe.
We tap into that and that's how we start.
We'll pick up on these things and that's the same thing that

(01:37:07):
I'm talking about where. So when you say great minds
think alike, that's literally what is this tapping into that
universal knowledge. And that's where I truly feel
that when you're talking about universal knowledge, when it
comes to writing jokes, you can take somebody from complete
opposite sides of the world who have the same joke or something

(01:37:28):
very similar, because they'll they'll think about something
and they're tapping in. How is it, you know, like if
you're looking at something? Sorry, I'm kind of dirtying out
here this is. Dude, no, this is interesting.
Yeah, keep going. So stop and talk and think about
if you're in a relationship withsomebody, after a while you can

(01:37:48):
start almost picking up on what the things that they're
thinking, right? Because energy waves, they know
they quantum physics, they've proven that thoughts create
energy waves, right? And so on energy waves, you can
tap into those things. When they say that you can read
people's minds, it's not that you're reading their mind,
You're actually tapping into theenergy wave from the facts that

(01:38:11):
they're that they're admitting. And so when you're in a
relationship, or even not even necessarily in a relationship,
but you're living in under the same roof with somebody for a
length of time, you can actuallystart picking up on the things
that they're thinking about and things that you know, that's why
you go, hey, you know what? I was just thinking we should

(01:38:32):
go, we should go to, we should take a cruise to Alaska.
Fuck, I was just thinking that thinking.
About Alaska, you're just thinking about that shit.
You're just thinking about a cruise to Alaska.
So he says about a cruise or Alaska, or a cruise to Alaska
out of the blue. Right.
Out of the blue. And it's random.

(01:38:53):
It's something very random and they pick up on that and they
and so that's what they're saying with that universal So
stop and think about it if you want to take that to the next
level why would funny people whoour job is to to observe and
then to come back. That's how we're able to be that
average person that average joke.

(01:39:14):
We're able to tap into that and we're able to take a a thought
and a concept and sit down. And if we're actively writing a
joke, if we are actively taking that act of taking an idea,
writing down that idea. And then you start formulating
some thoughts and what are some things that are funny about
this? What are some comparisons?
What are some things? And you're thinking about that

(01:39:35):
and you're admitting those thought waves.
Why wouldn't pick up on it? However, there is something to
be said for verbatim. Exactly, exactly right.
Like if it's the same fucking joke with one word changed, it's

(01:39:56):
probably stolen, right? But what you say is totally
valid, 100% valid, Like by far right.
I ain't got to see him a long time.
This. Is just jokes in real life IRL.
Like like you'd be thinking about something stupid.
Like you're like, man, you know what?
I sure would like to play Legos.Out of the blue.

(01:40:19):
And then your home tells you often be like, dude, do you
remember Legos? I just bought a set of Legos.
You'd be like. Exactly.
And that's what. I'm saying is is that that's
kind of how that's why. One of the the reasons why when
if somebody tells me, oh somebody stole my joke.

(01:40:39):
The first question that I usually would ask is you know
hey was it worth? Well no it wasn't worth for word
it was OK same concept. Well, a guy getting the
colonoscopy by a dentist. Guess what?
It's not an That's not an original joke.
It's not. You know you it.
Lost by a dentist. Right, right.

(01:40:59):
And I'm still going to follow your comedy page.
Now that's hilarious. It's not my Can you imagine this
bastard? Just it was.
Oh my God. And you?
Think that's something like that.

(01:41:22):
It is hilarious and. Why would you make that a super
legit point? And that goes into everything
too. It's not just comedy with that.
I mean, that's just life. Exactly.
Exactly, You know, having an original thought.
And. Let me say something too as a

(01:41:44):
comic. Like if you feel your material
is being stolen by others, but it's basic material that like
everybody else is talking about.Like you got no gripe, you know,
you know everyone spent a minutein comedy realizes you gotta
have your own voice. You need to have your own
perspective, to be your own person, have your own act,
right. Use comic terms.
If you don't have an act and you're like talking about three

(01:42:07):
day shit, like you just get steps up.
You're not becoming your own, you know?
And so if I, if I felt somebody took my colonoscopy joke and it
was the same as everybody else's, I wouldn't be fucking
mad at, I feel like I deserve that.
Because it's not original. Like, anyone can tell that joke.
So how are you bulletproof against being stolen from?
Is something so original that like it's so distinctly yours?

(01:42:30):
No one else, no one else can fuck with it, you know?
No one else can date. Well, you know, maybe that's
part of the reason why, like storytelling, comedy is so
popular right now. Yeah, the thing about a lot of
comedians that are making it right now are storytellers.
Right. But you know, and I think that
the thing about storytelling is one of those things, and that's

(01:42:52):
that's always been my my form ofcomedy anyway, since I'm a
storyteller. But it's because for me it's a
survival thing because such bizarre fucking shit happens to
me. I like to talk about it, just to
know that I'm not the only person that's happened to you
know, and so but I think that itis really interesting because

(01:43:14):
you listen to somebody who's telling that story and they can,
they can. Like it's the ultimate form of
entertainment, you know, in my opinion.
To be able to tell a really goodfunny story and to be able to
have it punched up and have likethe different, like I I couldn't
see. I can't imagine going any other

(01:43:34):
way. I can't imagine writing a
different kind of way because that's just the way I've always
been so, But I think it is, You know, I've had stories that
literally I've had things that have happened in my life and
then I've listened to other comics and I'm like, son of a
bitch. I can't talk about that now
because they talk about it and they're they're famous and now I

(01:43:59):
would look like I'm stealing it from them.
So I can't tell that joke. I'm just, I'm going to put this
out there. Like, like many, many years ago,
probably like 8 years ago, I gota joke and comic went off and
did new jokes about Instagram, right?
I had just been working on some Instagram jokes.
I didn't say anything. The next crowd also told some

(01:44:21):
Instagram jokes, and a lot of comics think themselves, well,
fuck, the show's been sullied with all Instagram jokes.
I said myself, the audience is here in a bunch of different
comic, different perspectives. So.
I'm going to go up there and my perspectives are different ones.
We're basically looking at like a virtual like a round that

(01:44:43):
Instagram you know we're all ourthoughts on it.
I. Think if you're.
Just because your audio going out a lot, I think your audio is
coming in and out. Me, you said.
Yeah, like you're. Like ARP, ARP, ARP, ARP.
Is that just me or is it everybody?
I. Think it's you.

(01:45:04):
You have the shittiest audio. Why can you Can you take your
headphones off and still have your audio without?
Is Rub it up against the headphones that you're wearing.
Oh, that's what it is. Yeah, who me.
My. Headphones off is.
It still working. Yeah.

(01:45:27):
Yeah. OK, OK.
Maybe it's my shit. Totally.
I just want to make sure that itwas cool.
We got to rewind the last hour now.
I know, Oh. Fantastic.
Hey, thanks for letting Shane on, Jamal.
That was awesome. They came on and ruined the
whole show. Shane, I promise you.
Shane, I promise you, you're notthe worst guest I've ever had.

(01:45:49):
Maybe I'll take that. I'll take that.
I'll take that. Not the worst.
I mean, so far, I mean the year is young, you're not on any kind
of list yet, you're not on our end of the year and who was the.
Worst I am I am by default not the worst guest, but also the
worst guest. Of the year you're?
You're kind of in the middle. You're you're in the middle

(01:46:10):
right now. You're like.
OK, I can dig it. I'm glad I can dig it them
because you were seeing. Some really.
Interesting things. And I was getting frustrated
because I couldn't fully hear you so.
But I'm. Also.
Old. I'm also old, but if it's not
like Oh my God. Are these stupid little earbuds?
Dude, look at look at my equipment.
Like what I'm working with. It's awful.

(01:46:31):
Oh yeah, United us to watch movies with.
You're right. Hey, I'm not knocking those in
flight movies though. That helps the time go high.
Father, I'm so sorry I interrupted you.
To me, you were you're peeping in and out.
It was just my headphones. I didn't mean to interrupt.

(01:46:51):
I just want to make sure that. Anyway, and let, let, let let's
let Jonathan tell that story. Well, make his point.
Oh, so my point is, like, I think people, I think you don't
have to live by the rules of, well, if somebody told the joke
about X, then I can't tell it. Like, even if everyone's talking
about, you know, Epstein jokes, like, let everyone get their

(01:47:12):
jokes off and let everyone you know, but maybe kind of address
it, You know, address it when you're on.
If you're the third person goingto tell an Epstein joke, be
like, you know, I heard these other guys were talking about
Epstein, but I don't really think he brings the kids out
every time. Like, I think it's OK to boss
the momentum of the others, you know what I mean?
It's called, like callbacks, right?
Tags from prior sets. Like that's, I think that's

(01:47:34):
pretty dope. If it's done well, it's it's
pretty it's it's fucking, it's cool, you know?
Right. But I'm not talking about
necessarily on the same show. I'm saying that say somebody
blue collar comedy group. So Bill Ingeval, he he was
talking about some things that you know and now I don't even

(01:47:55):
remember what it was, but he he was telling some stories and I'm
like God damn it, like that's something I was going to talk
about and very similar situation.
And so if I tried to do that, especially because there wasn't
somebody else there and I don't,it's really hard to address it
ahead of time because they're, you know, especially when you're

(01:48:18):
trying to, you know, if you're doing a 3 minute open mic where
you're trying to try out new material, you don't have that
opportunity to to set up. So then all of a sudden you're
getting labeled as a joke stealer and a thief and that's
not what you want. You don't have that opportunity
to address that. So that's what I'm saying is, is
that it it makes it more challenging.

(01:48:39):
Not, not that you can't do it atall, but it's definitely a lot
more of a challenge on how you can do it.
Yeah. And this.
It's not like writing jokes isn't hard already, so let's you
know. But it does.
I mean it pushes you to try and elevate up.
Yeah, that there's, that's a lotof good parts.

(01:49:01):
I mean, that's kind of how I feel.
Like whenever I watch like, oh God, I'm probably going to get
shooted on for this, but like when I watch like Comic View and
like a comic. Will do a joke.
About being poor, and then another comic behind will do a
joke about being poor but in a different perspective.

(01:49:23):
I mean, they're like nobody has,like there's no trademark on
premises. You.
Know what I mean So. If if somebody has and and mind
you I'm I'm not a topical comedian.
Topical that's just you know they the jokes age so fast.
Like how how good. I mean, these Epstein jokes are

(01:49:44):
probably going to last. You know what I'm saying?
But The thing is, of course every comic is going to have a
joke about, you know, Epstein orTrump or whatever.
But it's OK also because again, even though it's it's the same
premise, but there's everybody has their different, you know,

(01:50:06):
point of view or a joke that youknow.
One joke might not be funnier than the other about a certain
topic, but it's OK to. You know, oh.
You know it's like it's like almost telling a story but you
have a bunch of people going up story and you know talking about
the joke that they're talking about the most like like like

(01:50:29):
like Jonathan was saying oh I'veheard that you know on Epstein
jokes here's, here's, here's five more.
You know, like it's right. You can make you can make that
worth your while. Right.
Yeah, I mean you absolutely can.I'm just saying that in in when
you're all there in the same room at the same time, it's

(01:50:50):
almost like you have a group of people that experience the same
event and they they're telling their their view of that event.
But when you're talking about something as far as say, we all
know some of the you know some of the good ones Bill Ingeval
every everybody has heard of Bill Ingeval right.
Probably not. Probably just about.

(01:51:11):
Here's your. Sign.
His stuff? That's Jeff Foxworthy.
That's not Bill Ingeval. That's.
Jeff Bill Ingeval. Bill Ingeval?
That's Paul's. Worthy is the other one.
That's pinkball. Huh.
That's pinkball, Yeah, leader. Jeff.
Foxworthy a leader of them. And my last.

(01:51:32):
Joke, last joke and my last job,that was a running joke for us.
Like somebody said something stupid, we'd be like, here's
your sign. Right.
OK my bad bill ingeval is here'syour sign.
Jeff Foxworthy is you might be aredneck if OK.
Correct. Here's your sign.
OK. So yes he that's how he started

(01:51:52):
out with you know that he's also, I mean and he he doesn't
fall back on that he doesn't do those jokes anymore.
He's he does you know I mean obviously he talks about his
life and the things that he goesthrough and he's experiencing
right now and that are current and they are relatable.
But The thing is, is that because people have seen them,

(01:52:14):
they've they've, if you try to tell a story and it parallels
the story he told, they're goingto say, oh, you stole that joke,
you know? And so it it it, I mean, it can
get really dicey. And if you don't want that
reputation of somebody who's a hack or steals jokes, you know,
So a lot of times it's just better just to stray away from

(01:52:36):
it completely and go, OK, well shelve that one and not do that
because it's not worth trying toexplain to all these fucking
people why I didn't steal this fucking joke, OK?
It's a cheap way out. It's a cheap way out and it's a
way. It's a lazy rider's way out.
OK, I got it. OK.

(01:52:56):
I see that that condemnation with the silent you know, like
if you wrote better jokes and ifyou paid attention more, you
could make that work. Marianne, if you had a the only.
Reason that I was finally being quiet was I was thinking how bad
I want Jamal's shirt. I want that shirt, bro.
Like, we don't want Jamal like, for that drawing.

(01:53:17):
Like, send me that shirt, I'll send you the drawing.
Dude, that's so cool. As orange as it should be.
What Maria hold? Up your Hold up your phone so
you can show us your whole shirt.
Yeah, dude. You're to jail.
Well, it also says it on the. Back too.
Oh man, that's two drawings, then, as a.

(01:53:39):
Matter of fact, it's. One on the back.
There you go. You ain't got nothing to be
afraid of. Hold on.
Oh, it's off. Yeah, buddy.

(01:54:00):
That's the that's the back of the shirt.
Oh my God. Now don't send me that shirt.
You need to keep that shirt. You keep that shirt forever.
That's funnier than shit. I bought this shirt like 15
years ago and it's still my. God.
Yeah, as you can see, I haven't,I haven't grown much.

(01:54:22):
I'll just find it on Team Moo orsomething.
Oh don't, don't do that Don't, don't, don't get.
They don't need, they don't needour money.
Team Moo is like what the low rent wish or?
React pretty much actually. I heard that Team Moo is wish
they just rebrand it. Even worse?

(01:54:42):
Yeah, you're just putting dog. You're just putting diamonds on
dog shit at this point. Yeah, but.
Only 10 bucks. I feel like team was really
thirsty. Like I tried it when it came out
and I would like leave somethingin the shopping cart and it was
just so fucking thirsty. He's like, hey Jonathan, you
know, what if we took $0.38 off?Hurry back because they're going

(01:55:05):
fast, you know? And I would like, ignore it and
then like a like an hour later there'd be an e-mail.
Jonathan, guess what? Hey buddy, it's going to be set
off and I'm like. Hey, we saw you like team Oh.
Yeah, it's like chill the fuck out.
Like I'm good, man. I need fucking, you know,
plastic. I just.
Wanted. I just want Ghostbusters socks,

(01:55:27):
dude. I just want Ghostbusters socks.
What? Who doesn't?
I would take a pair of Ghostbusters socks right now
from team Oh, if they didn't bugme every fucking day.
Do it. Although I did hear I was
reading, I was reading on some of the different apps that you
have on your that are very invasive and TMU is one of them.

(01:55:51):
Says it will go ahead and and that's why I won't, I won't shop
from them. Yeah, but I wonder if part of
the global in. Terms of like tracking your
phone and shit, What are you talking about?
Yeah, it tracks your phone. Yeah, like looking up your
accounts and shit. Yeah, and it goes all.

(01:56:12):
Your bankruptcy shit, Yeah. T move Sketchy.
Sell that shit so cheap. How do you think they sell it so
cheap? They're selling all your fucking
information. I mean, but not just that.
I mean they're they're absolutely like, yeah, it was
one of those things that was a warning that says.
It's not. It's not even like weird
conspiracy theory shit. It's a fact.
Like they know this about T move.

(01:56:34):
It's sketchy as fuck. Yeah, so it's not a it's a
exactly. So I'm like, get that shit off
your phone. Don't get it near your phone.
You know what I say to that? I'll take the cheap shit and I'm
welcome, you know? And if you want my data, I'm
just going to poison your fucking database so you know.

(01:56:54):
By all means. I like jack-in-the-box game
shows bitch. What I do.
I love it. Old Bit Cheeseburger and it's a
fucking price is. Right dude.
That's all you're getting on my phone and some kind of sketchy
porn and that's it. OK I.
Kind of sketchy. You're all like sketchy,

(01:57:15):
sketchy. Look at the same shit you watch.
It's kind of, it's a little gross we.
Don't judge. We don't judge you.
Yeah. We're not your counselor, Shane.
There's butt stuff. Sure.
That's a different podcast. There's more than two people.
Sure, it's a little sketchy. That's not how is that sketchy?

(01:57:40):
That's called porn I. Don't know.
Maybe that's just maybe. That's my view of it.
I don't know. You said more than two.
People. I look at it.
I feel a little disgusted myselfbecause I have a lovely wife,
dude. My wife is so rat dude.
But here I am watching that sketchy porn again.

(01:58:01):
Yeah, yeah. 8. People smashing one face type
shit like what's my problem? What's going on with me, I
wonder? Here's a question.
OK, so Jamal and I are working on having one of our guests that
we're going to be having on thisyear is a sexual addictions

(01:58:22):
therapist. So here's a question that I'm
trying to play, put out there for people.
What kind of questions? If you could ask a sexual
addictions therapist Any question.
What kind of question would you ask?
Oh, honestly, I would just be like, how do you work with
Chimos and not kill them? I mean, some of the shit they

(01:58:48):
must encounter, Well, some of the shit that they have to
encounter as be so our core. Like, how do you say
professional under a circumstance where you're
dealing with a rapist or a childmolester or something like that?
And and good for you because you're trying to heal this
person so they don't do it again.
But that said, how do you not choke that motherfucker out?

(01:59:10):
That's a good question. That's a really good.
Question. You know, like how do you stay
professional in those really hard situations?
I'd like to know that. I think that I don't think that
she does deal with those kind ofpeople.
Oh, good for her then. Don't ask that question then.
Because it doesn't. Apply.
But that, but it is a really good question to ask.

(01:59:31):
You know, it is a really good, great question like how do you
deal with somebody? And I think that's true in,
like, just about any kind of profession, because it helps all
of a sudden, it helps all of us.I think it would be a two-part
question though, like. Do you ever?
Come in contact with pedophiles,child molesters or rapists.
And if she says yes, then you ask, hey, how does that make you

(01:59:51):
feel being in that, you know, being that close to them, being
in that facility, that close proximity to them and not want
to, you know, rip their heads off?
Yeah. Right.
Automatic. Well, and I see that because,
well, one, one of the things that I've done is I I've been a
mental health counselor for the Department of Justice, working

(02:00:19):
with, like, you know, people just out of prison, you know, I
told him straight up, like, I can't work with like chinos and
shit. I can't, I can't do it.
You know, there's a sex offenderor something to put them in my
class. I don't want them there, you
know? And like, part of that for me is
being very, very unprofessional,because if I take an opportunity

(02:00:42):
to help people, do I have to then help all people or can I
choose who I help or can I just choke on the case of
motherfucker out? I don't know.
So that's like a serious question I would ask.
So here's here's one of the things in in my personal
opinion, This is why I don't do do it.
Because I think that the best way that we could help somebody

(02:01:03):
who's like a child molester, like your Epsteons of the world
is there is there's absolutely acure.
Absolutely a cure. It's called Smith and Wesson and
38 Threshold and and here's why.Because some time secure isn't

(02:01:24):
for the person who is the perpetrator.
Sometimes secure is for the people that they've hurt and
it's to protect the people they would hurt.
And so from my personal opinion,let's Why would we risk these
innocent children, innocent people?
Sure, but but that's not an option.

(02:01:44):
But that's not an option. So, like, I really, I really
respect people who can do that, who can take a child, must say
that we're not allowed to kill. You're not allowed to kill them.
You're not allowed to. Sorry, unfortunately.
But fucking like how? How do you like even?

(02:02:05):
It blows my mind like. How people could do that, you
know, especially if you come from a background where do at
least 1° of separation from abuse, Yeah, that would be very
difficult you. Know what I mean?
No. It's I respect really can do

(02:02:26):
that. I have a hard time with.
I have. A very hard time with the
justice system saying that we could rehabilitate them we could
rehabilitate them or or if what we would consider you know like
the liberals who say well they could be rehabilitated and and
my attitude is that's you know we talked about it in our family

(02:02:50):
is is fantastic. If you think that they they're
rehabilitated or they're rehabilitatable let them live
with you and your family don't. But that's the problem is, is
that a lot of those people they get reintroduced back into
society next to unexpecting people and that's where they

(02:03:11):
they they reoffend or they learnlike your Jeffrey Dahmer's and
stuff that the reason is is thatwell the reason why I got caught
was because they were able to live.
I let him live and they told on me so now all I could do to
prevent that is kill him and so now they can't telling me

(02:03:33):
anymore. So that escalation it was I was
speaking to somebody that I worked with and he was saying
how he was in another country and he was shocked because the
family, their daughter would walk to and from school by

(02:03:56):
herself at 8 years old. And he was shocked.
He goes, how how would you let your child?
Aren't you worried about her? And they said, no, we're not
because we don't live in America.
We don't live in that kind of society because we don't have
child molesters. Because people self report.

(02:04:17):
If they know that they have those urges, they will self
report so that they get help because they know if they don't,
they'll get killed because society here won't put up with
that. We don't tolerate that We killed
them, so we don't. Hey, you ever seen that video of
that dude that the dog ate his Dick because he was a Tom molest

(02:04:38):
or whatever? Everybody knew it down.
So like, street justice. No, you can look this up.
It's dope, like it's in like theMiddle East or something where
they do that shit, but they beathis ass, drunk him out on the
street and had a wild dog eat his Dick off.
It was insane. It was.
Yeah, it's a good video. It's really entertaining.

(02:04:59):
But watch. Well, it's a little disgusting
to watch it, but still, look it up.
It's pretty good. It's quick.
And only did the dog like 30 seconds and he got right to the
meet and the dude said they're going, but like they knew.
For a fact. That he was like.
Having sex with 12 year. Olds.

(02:05:21):
I tried talking some white guy that did that.
No, I think it was in the MiddleEast.
I think it was like a brown dudeand brown dude didn't like that.
Now what? Whose phone is?
Whose? Whose audio is.
Dude, it might be mine. Hold on, let me, let me.
Let me log out and log back in real quick.

(02:05:44):
Hold on, let. Me try this, I think it's mine.
God damn thing works, hey. Chat you How do I log out?
Yeah, Hey guys. I'm going to need to get going
soon, but it's been a lot of fun, man.
I've really enjoyed this, this little powwow, you know.

(02:06:07):
Oh, thanks for having me on the show too, man.
You guys have been great. Sorry to talk so much.
Oh, no, That's what guests are supposed to do.
They're supposed to talk. We we.
That's why we have is so that you can actually talk and
interact. Well, it's not really we're
closing out. It might be my phone.
But if we're closing out the show, I'll say goodbye to

(02:06:28):
everybody real quick. Thank you so much for having me
on, dude. Oh, it was a great time.
Hold on to me, all of you. Hold on, Jonathan, I'll.
See you later as you signed out,ladies and gentlemen, Jonathan
Ziegel rhymes with Eagle. I have to keep telling myself
that because I always fuck up his last name.

(02:06:49):
But we'll we'll see you around. Have a safe trip, all right.
Sounds good. Thanks man.
All right. Thanks everybody talk.
To you next week. Bye, bye.
Thank you so much, Shane, for coming on.
Oh, thank you for having me. Really like I had a good time.
It was definitely a lot of fun. Oh yeah, definitely intriguing.
I enjoy. Of course, I always enjoy these

(02:07:10):
recordings. And you know, before we go,
let's do. It, yes.
Thank. You.
Yeah, because we haven't done itin a while and I love it when we
do this. So usually when we end the show,
we usually end it with a little segment called what have you
been binge watching? So in between your artwork and

(02:07:31):
all that, what shows are you streaming?
What shows are you binge watching that you like that we
should be watching? Oh, Dinah's drive insurance and
dives with Guy Fieri for sure. OK, watch that all day long.
Dinah drives dives. Also, I think you should leave
on Netflix is hilarious. All three seasons is sketch

(02:07:56):
comedy with two dudes. They're the main dudes, Zach and
Tim. Kim Robinson and Zach something.
Anyway, I think you should be onNetflix.
You can watch it. Watch it.
Also on Paramount Fluse if you have Paramount plus is Beau is

(02:08:19):
Afraid is a great movie. It's three hours long.
You'll watch it two tries. But it is so good.
So that's and then Star Wars, you know, always.
Oh yeah, yeah. Of course, always.
You know. Again, nerd.
Nerd. Let's do it.

(02:08:40):
What about you? Barry.
Dude, I'm sorry. Your name is Mary.
Mary Anne. Joe.
Mary Anne. I knew it was Mary something.
I'm so bad with names. We just discussed it, like, an
hour ago. Mary Anne?
Yeah. Let's be friends on Facebook.
You seem awesome. Yes.
That's because. Thank you and congratulations on

(02:09:00):
being in cancer. That's bad ass.
Yes, it was. Fuck yes.
Dude, it was awesome. I need to get with those
T-shirts that says fuck cancer. Yeah, well, and I can both wear
them. Yeah, fuck cancer.
We did. Oh, well, you know, and I got,
I'll tell you honestly, I got a little drunk on the show that I

(02:09:20):
intended to so like maybe I tried him in a little too much.
I don't, you know, I just, I just get like that.
Do you know y'all? I have like social anxiety and
shit, So this was very like an awakening.
Nice. Thing for me.
To talk to four people at once and nobody got into an argument.
It was great. It.
Was a great. Time, right?

(02:09:41):
Right. You.
Know what I mean? When I was scared and shit, it
was good. It was fun.
I love it. You know what I usually try and
tell our guest I I like? I usually try and preface it
with this. When you come on, you want to
hijack the show. We're on here every week, right?

(02:10:01):
Right. This is your time.
Hijack the show. Talk about things that you want
to talk about. One of the things we didn't ask
and we got to do this before we close that, are there any things
that you want to promote? Do you have social medias that
you want to promote your artwork?
Facebook page is called Shane Draws.
That's it. Just look up.
Shane draws and it'll pop up andthat's all my art.

(02:10:24):
Shane Drug DRAWS. DRAWSSHANE and fucking I got a
comic book coming out this laterthis year.
I can't really talk about it yetbecause it involves a lot of
people and we're getting the whole thing together.
We're talking probably like May or something like that, but it's

(02:10:46):
coming great. And yeah, I'll let you all know
when it when that book's coming out.
So you can buy it. Please, please buy my book.
Oh, my gosh, please buy my book.But it'll be sick.
And I got, I got these pictures.I got these pictures of Jamal
that are going to be done soon. Well, that one I didn't think

(02:11:06):
was good enough, so I started this other one.
Right. Coming along anyway.
That draw. Yeah.
If. You look on Shane Draws, you can
see like all my recent shit. That drawer.
Or I'm trying to look it up right now, Shane.
Yeah. That last drawer that that last

(02:11:27):
drawing you just showed, is blacker than me, bro.
I know well, the eyes are too buggy.
Look how. Look how beautiful.
Art. There we go.
Look at those. Guys, those eyes on that,
they're like bug eye. That guy?
Yeah. I'm working on it.
It's still in pencil. Form.
That guy is up to no. Good.
This one, this one was pretty good, but I didn't like that the

(02:11:48):
bottle was in your face, you know what I mean?
The bottle had to go, but I decided to redo it.
So, Shane, real quick. I'm still trying to find you.
Are you the one in a picture of Spider Man?
Yes, Spider Man. OK, coolness.
So now I liked yours so I can goin and take a look.

(02:12:11):
OK, so I can tell you right now that my husband's going to want
to talk to you. OK.
Because he has. OK, good.
We're nerds. And he he has some I need to Oh

(02:12:33):
my God, I know. I want to work on this.
Yeah, let's be friends after theshow, Mary Ann, correct.
Yes, Mary Ann Riley, so. Yes, Rasmussen.
Huh. Marianne Rasmussen.
Riley Riley. I'm.
Omar Riley OK, yeah. Like in like in Star Wars.

(02:12:56):
Yeah, like O'reilly's auto parts.
Just leave out the O it's selfies thing.
So Jamal here knows we in one ofour rooms, we have artwork on
the wall. It's not artwork.
It's actually like Transformers and then we have.
Yeah. They're all like 3D type stuff,
right? And they're coming out.

(02:13:17):
Well, what he we've we've got the phase for Iron Man.
We've got. I'm trying to think of them off
the top of my head. We'll have to talk like kind of
offline. But my husband has always wanted
to get an artist to draw the body.
So it makes it look like the their masks are coming out of
the walls. Oh shit.

(02:13:38):
Yeah, we can talk to you. We could figure it out.
This is something he's been to do and so I might have to do
this, you know, like we're goingto have to talk and have you
take a look at this, Yes. I'm sorry to do it, dude.
I'm sorry to do it. Yeah, he this is something he's
been wanting to do forever. And so OK, now that we have you

(02:14:01):
know he has we have the boys room, we have the the spare
room. So we have a a bear, a boys room
and we have a girls room for thegrandsons and the granddaughters
and also his son. So when they and Jamal, and it's
also Jamal's room when Jamal comes, his group is.
A chill there. Yeah.

(02:14:22):
Oh, I just said, you know what? I could have met both of you.
I I was just up in Everett, but I couldn't get to the show.
I saw him posting about it. I was like, that looks like a
Dope Show. I didn't know you were on it or
anything. That had been crazy.
Yeah, I was hosting it so. Hey, on Tuesday.
On Tuesday, I will be seeing my mom in Sumner.
I mean Algona. So I don't know if we'd like,

(02:14:46):
maybe meet up at the bar in Algona.
That one bar Squeezy Pees or whatever, I don't know. 10.
We'll figure it out, yeah, Whether we're living too,
because it's snowing now. It's snowing.
As in every. Is it really?
It's still a lot like 2 inches already.
It's only like 7:00 at. Night.

(02:15:07):
So throw your Jamal. Do you have Shane's phone
number? I don't think he does.
Just just message it to me and I'll forward it to Marianne.
OK, I get it. That way and then that way we
can show you the space and then like, get an idea.
Oh my God, my husband will flip the fuck out.

(02:15:31):
Like he would flip the fuck out.That might be his.
I was going to take him on an Alaskan cruise for Christmas,
but I might have to do this instead.
Well, also a. Few $1000 OK well.
Let's let let me see this face to see if it's even something I
can do. You know what I mean?
Like I'll be honest with you. Like if it's not something I can
do. I'll be like, I don't know.
You know what I mean, but it's something I can do totally.

(02:15:54):
Let's figure it out my. Husband, My husband is spoiled
beyond fucking belief. Javal come so.
Why? My wife spoils the shit out of
me. Yep, I spoil the.
Shit, there's George Costanza being sexy.
See it? The timeless artist Seduction.
There you go. There you go.
Yeah. See, my house is cool too.

(02:16:16):
Let's make cool houses, bro. Fuck.
Yeah, I'm all about that. So I'm going to, I'm going to
bring Jamal back in and say, Jamal, what are you binge
watching? So I've been binge.
Watching Oh, thanks to you. I've been binge watching 24 for
the third time ever since. Yeah.

(02:16:38):
So. I I oh, yeah, I'm on season one,
episode 15. And boy, it's again.
So it's it's it holds. It's such a great show.
I love it. So I've been binge watching
that. I'm binge watching LA Law
because I love courtroom dramas.So I'm on season one of.

(02:16:59):
I just started season one of that.
I've also been watching Rick andMorty.
I've watched like 3 1/2 seasons and I'm watching solar
opposites. I'm on season oh, I'm on season
one. No episode.
Episode two Season 2 and. Solar Opposites is the one
that's by the guys that did Rickand Morty right.

(02:17:23):
That is correct. Yeah, oh.
OK. So yeah, these are the shows
that oh, and I'm and I'm and I've re watched Crapopolis
again, but they still keep coming out with episodes.
I thought like they were doing 1010 episodes and then that was
it. I think that they've done like
11 or 12 now. So it looks like it's going to

(02:17:44):
keep going till probably May, but yeah, so.
Is Crabalos funny? I haven't watched it yet.
It's it is OK. It's not terrible.
I it's really not. I think it it's just it's one of
those shows that it doesn't try to.

(02:18:05):
To me some of the stuff is like oh wow this is so inaccurate and
they try to be accurate, but I don't care about all that.
It's it's it's actually it does have its IT does have its
moments. The voice actors are really,
really, really good. So and that's kind of like what
I focus on. Like a 7 out of 10, Six out of

(02:18:26):
10. Honestly, I would give it a 7
out of 10. For sure.
We're watching then. I watched an episode of it and I
it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad.
I could see because I know that Romeo has watched it.
And so I I kind of he, I actually was getting ready for
bad and I could hear him watching it and I was thinking,

(02:18:50):
fuck, I wish you would have waited to watch it with me
because it actually sounds funny, like it had some
interesting stuff to it. So yeah.
And and to wrap it up, I'm also watching Brickleberry again.
How can you know that's oh fuck.I forgot to ask Jonathan if he

(02:19:10):
started watching if he thought he was Brickleberry, that's my
fault too, because we were watching that one night and you
guys both crashed out on the couch.
We were watching Brickleberry. Bitch, you ain't the only one
with the bicycle tree. I love that line.
Yeah, So what? Have you been?
Watching 24, we just started. Season four.

(02:19:32):
I never watched 24. What's it on?
I. Did either.
I'd never watched. Hulu or what?
Hulu. Hulu.
Yeah. Yeah, a ribbed on Fox for eight
years and oh, it's such a wonderful show.
It's such a good. Show it actually hauled up to
the to test of time. I tried to watch.

(02:19:54):
I tried to get Romeo in to watchNorthern Exposure and.
Taking it back. Yeah, yeah it I I just he didn't
get past the first episode. I could tell he was bored as
fuck and which means if he ain'twatching it we ain't watching
it. I he's home time and so if he

(02:20:19):
this is it, I really don't give that.
I'm not that invested in shows to watch usually.
And he's always home when I'm home.
So it's not like if I watch something that he doesn't like,
I have to sit through And so I'mlike fine, just fucking turn it

(02:20:43):
off. Watch something else.
Well, see, I always pick good shows.
See, I pick shows. I'm like, you don't ever give my
shows a fucking chance. OK, whatever.
I just don't want to listen to the bullshit, you know.
And he he we've kind of worked it out so that he'll say, do you
think that you this is somethingyou might want to watch And I'm
like, I don't know maybe. So let's watch a you know if

(02:21:05):
it's like a series or a season or.
Something My hair is Jesus Jesus, we wear a hat.
What's going on with this stupidshit?
I cut my own hair. I was like, it was super cool.
My shit besides back was top long.
How? Fucking stupid this is.
Look at this. Jeez, I put that back on, OK?
Sorry, our. Ratings are.

(02:21:28):
Our ratings, our ratings are back up again.
Oh. Strawberry blonde hair.
That's the thing on only fans, dude.
So I'm told. So I'm told, oh, the carpet
matches the drapes, baby. Oh.
Jesus. Never.
I never needed to know that. Like there was any question.

(02:21:48):
You see, my eyebrows aren't evenbarely there.
I had a freaking. Look but it works on the only
fence match the. Carpet or the carpet does not
match because I'm too fucking old.
It's all Gray now. Hey.
If a million, if a million. People pay $0.10 a piece to see
it. That's $100,000.
Just say. Yep.

(02:22:09):
One way to make good money. That tracks.
OK, well. On that.
All right. Well, what a great show.
Facebook beyond, dude. Yeah, that's fine.
Fanschangeross.com on on on Facebook Jeez Louise our.

(02:22:30):
Our special thanks to Shane Pettit.
Also Thank you Jonathan. His eagle rhymes with eagle for
being on a show. And and again, we've already,
you know, welcomed him as our host, as our new host.
So great job you know, he's suchan Oh my God, I love that.
I love this kid. I'm glad we had him on it.
I really. I really like that guy.

(02:22:51):
I do. I do.
I do so never. Met him before.
Great dude. Great, Very great guy.
So and yeah, a lot of those, boy, we talked about pedophiles
and boy, yeah, we we really did it.
Too, we covered all the bases. Yeah, we covered.
All eyes, all that. Shit.
So. Yeah, I got.
Stuff. Yeah.

(02:23:13):
So I I guess the the great way to end it, as Marianne always
say, make good choices. Good.
Job. And boy, if you.
If if you, I guess, let's see, because I always write down some
of this stuff. Oh, here's one.
If you are, wow. If you're not on that list,

(02:23:35):
thank your lucky stars. But if you know somebody that do
and you think he's an asshole, well, you're right.
But also remember, it's not about you.
It's about the kids. Thank you.
How about you? See you then.
Thank you. Thank.
You for listening? To me guys, thank.
You. Yes, yes.
Join us next week and we have a mystery guest.

(02:23:56):
The reason why I say mystery guest, I had her name written
down and I don't have it anymore.
But yeah, I'll see you next week.
Bye.