On this episode, Chad reveals his struggle with staying up to date about what we are allowed to support and who we are allowed to criticize. Then he discusses the ethics of Homewrecking, the recent firing of Adrian Griffin by the Milwaukee Bucks, and encourages people to chase their creative dreams.
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, welcome to nothing by anarchy.
This is the show that exploresand subverts all the things,
particularly entertainment,music, sports media.
There's so much on this thingtoday, so we're just going to
get right to it.
I actually, in the podcast thatI listened to now there's a
(00:28):
couple Dan Levitar shows one ofthem that like spends the first
12 minutes trying to be funnyand not like talking about the
interesting stuff, and I'm justlike I mean, they're just not.
They're just not funny, like Iknow.
Dan Levitar kind of wants tothink of himself as in the room
with comedians now because hereally admires them and he like
brings in Hollywood writers whowrite comedy and he brings on
(00:51):
like Neil Brennan and shit likethat, and it just doesn't.
It's just, it's just notworking for me, bro.
Just I hate to be one of thosefans.
But, like, just talk aboutsports, dog, but I'm definitely
not going to do that.
So we got a few things to talkabout.
There's a lot on the docket here.
I have been walking aroundfeeling quite unhinged because I
(01:13):
, in a good way, I feel alive,because I got good sleep last
night, because I didn't eatanything that gave me heartburn
in the middle of the night, lastnight, which this is a turning
point for me like this is likeI've been eating the same
basically for 15 years and Ijust reached an age where my
body is telling me there arecertain things I'm not allowed
to eat, especially after likeeight o'clock at night.
(01:36):
So I slept, I slept through thenight.
Crazy, crazy what sleep can do.
Okay, um, here's here's herethe things at the top of this
docket, morgan, we have DaveChappelle speaks on.
He was live at.
Do we know where he was at?
He was speaking on cat Williamsand he says, quote unquote why
are you drawing ugly pictures ofus?
(01:58):
He says cat Williams is one ofthe best painters in the world.
Why are you drawing uglypictures of us?
Um, he didn't say anythingabout any of these white boys.
What was the venue, morgan?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Durey's at the Hollywood improv okay, a
Hollywood place.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
We have a Gen Z segment.
I know I'm calling this a Gen Zsegment.
Even though Ariana Grande isnot Gen Z, I feel like she
belongs to Gen Z more than shebelongs to Millennials, like I
actually bet Gen Z people seeher as like, almost like the way
we see Christina Aguilera,which is crazy like they see her
(02:32):
as like a staple of music.
And I still see her as like, oh, like, the Ariana Grande thing
is happening.
That's so cool, that's so good.
Good for her.
Um, she's in, she's in theinternet because of home
wrecking.
I guess is the reason why she'sin the internet right now.
Yeah, ready to say, okay,alleged home wrecking, alleged
(02:52):
home wrecking, that's okay.
We're not.
You know, I don't need to sayalleged here.
Um, unless, whatever, we'llcome back.
And then the third thing hereis Morgan.
Can you say this person's nameso I don't say it wrong?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
IO Ed Deb RA okay.
I don't think that's rightthat's based off of the link of
pedia she said that with maximumconfidence and a bar.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
There's a B in it yeah, ed Deb Burr.
Okay, I'm gonna look at allright, thank you, morgan, that's
okay.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I love you, I oh yes, she loves you great, and we're
gonna get right to that I.
She loves you, even though shedoesn't know how to say your
name.
Um, so, which one of thosethree things?
Because the first, the firstbullet, has Charlemagne also
involved in it.
Which one of those three thingsdo you guys want me to start
with?
On the count of three, can youguys both say which is most
(03:49):
interesting to you?
Either say Dave Ariana or IO123.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
IO.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Dave for me, sorry.
Okay, the black guy says Dave.
The black woman says IO, allright, I'll do IO, just you know
to be the guy, all right.
So I was at the gym yesterday.
Was that yesterday, morgan?
Are you still looking for herpronunciation?
Yes, I think it's okay, morgan.
We've moved, we've moved on.
It's okay, because this isactually like what Morgan's
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doing right now is like what Iwant to speak to, which is my
sister and I.
We talked last night.
I interviewed her for my newlove project and she we were
talking about you know, um,where I am in life and how I am,
and one thing that came up isI'm a, I'm a, I'm a resistant
person.
I have, I have like asubversive gene, I have like a
(04:42):
rebellion to me and, um, man,this show is going to have, the
pieces are all going to liketouch each other, because here's
one way that it's really hardto be black you get conflicting
information on exactly what yourdirections are as a black
person and then, inside of allof that, you are just a person
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who has your own actual purposeand your own actual point of
view and you just got to do whatyou got like.
You just got to do what you'reliterally born to do, and I
think specifically that I amborn with um vision to see.
Sometimes I have giant blindspots.
(05:24):
My therapist tells me, um, shedoesn't say giant, I'm putting
that on myself, but I have blindspots, like everybody.
But I can see what I can see,as many people can, in different
ways.
I think my particular vision isto see.
Um, hypocrisy is to see, uh,when we are all pretending like
we agreed on something but wedidn't talk about it.
(05:45):
Um, when, when there is a forcethat is pushing us in some
direction and the source isunknown and unnamed and we need
to examine it.
That's something that I canoften feel I guess is a better
way to say I can feel, I'msensitive, I'm like, oh, I feel
something coming and I kind oflike sometimes I dig my heels in
(06:05):
and I'm like wait, what'shappening?
What's happening, what'shappening all right, here comes.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Can I call myself out ?
Yes okay, so I'm a.
Since this is on the record,I'm going to call myself out for
the problematic thing that Ijust did what did you do?
Which is when you see someone'sname and you assume that it's
harder than it actually isbecause it's literally how it's
spelled, which is at a very okay, so I forgive you.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, um, I think you did your best, morgan, that's
not where I was going.
Here's the thing that I feelcoming.
Okay, you know before, I'm justgoing to package this in a
little more bubble wrap becausebecause y'all are going to hate
this and I and so now I feelexcited because I'm realizing I
didn't know, this is what I cameto say, but I know that y'all
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are going to hate this.
Charlemagne is just a dude,like he's just a person.
Okay, we know about Charlemagne.
Literally, you guys know why weknow about Charlemagne.
Do you know why we know aboutCharlemagne?
Do you know why we know aboutCharlemagne?
I think you, probably you'llremember as soon as I say it is
no, I don't know we know aboutCharlemagne because Ray J came
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on the breakfast club 10 yearsago, 10 plus years ago, 12 years
ago.
I was sitting at my desk atGoogle when I first got this
clip.
He comes on the breakfast club,coked up allegedly to talk
about an interaction that he hadwith rate, with fabulous, where
he said a bunch of just look,you can look it up more.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You should definitely look it up this is history you
need to know this it is one ofthe most iconic guest
appearances on a radio show, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think period in culture, definitely in black
culture, and like it's,charlemagne specifically was
able to exercise out of Ray J aperformance of ridiculousness
that made that show blow up andit's stay.
And then and then Charlemagneand Envy and Angel E did the
(08:04):
hard work of remaining relevantover a decade, like doing what
you got to do to stay relevantover a decade.
Now, whether those are likablepeople, whether you agree with
their politics or how they are,who they are, whatever, like
that's individual, I don't knowthem.
I've only met Charlemagne onetime.
I've sat in their studio whenthey weren't there, one time
(08:24):
when I went to go visit AngieMartínez and I sat there, excuse
me, and I thought to myself.
I'll tell you guys, somethingfrom the beginning of this
journey.
For me, when I have dreamt ofwhat will it look like when my
voice is really reaching a placethat it can be heard, that
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dream has always been me sittingin the breakfast club.
That's it.
Now it has evolved intosomething different, which is
like me doing this thing in agiant venue, like an arena or
something like that, but likefor the first 10 years, let's
call it of like.
From the moment I was sittingin that desk at Google until
maybe two years ago, that andstill that dream has always been
(09:09):
I'll go on the breakfast club.
I have gone on platforms biggerthan the breakfast club and I
have gone on platforms that mostpeople who are black in
entertainment would value muchgreater than the breakfast club,
aka white people's places.
But I know that if I ever go onthe breakfast club, I will have
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something to say to the peoplewho are a part of my culture
that I think will connect andwill land in a way that is
unusual anyway.
Here's why it's complicated tobe a black person, because
everyone not everyone, but somany people have a point of view
(09:57):
on what you are allowed to haveas your point of view as a
black person.
For example, dave Chappelle issaying cat Williams, why are you
calling out our people inpublic?
(10:17):
Chris Rock goes on his own standup.
He does his own stand upspecial on Netflix after getting
slapped up by Will Smith andsays, as his landing line in the
stand up, he says, aftercalling will Smith bitch, bitch,
bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch,bitch, bitch.
So many times bitch.
He then says you were raisedpoorly because you got to know
(10:39):
not to fight in front of whitepeople.
Okay, that's a point of view onhow black people should behave,
but, but again, under the gazeof quote, unquote, the public,
white people.
Now Charlemagne, and boy wouldI have to do a lot of homework
to actually understand whatCharlemagne's real point of view
(11:00):
on this is.
But Morgan sent me a clip ofCharlemagne on Fox News.
Do you want to just play the?
Would you mind just playing theclip?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I've never spoken to as many people who are concerned
about the migrant issue as Ihave.
You know, over the past yearthey took 2000 migrants and put
them in the school and made theschool stay home, made the
students stay home and, and, andyou know, do school via, via,
via zoom, and that was a bigissue, like I mean, people were
(11:27):
calling okay, you stop it justjust okay now.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
First of all, this is a professional orator, guys.
This person talks for a living.
He's nervous you can hear thathe's nervous and he's stumbling.
And he's on Fox News.
Like he already knows, he hassort of broken a rule of culture
even by being appearing on thisnews channel.
(11:50):
But he's nervous like he shook.
He's like I'm here to say thisthing but I I don't know how
it's going to be construed and Idon't know.
Like I don't know how they'regoing to edit this.
And he's a media expert.
Like he knows his words can betaken and manipulated and also
like he might actually stand 10toes down on whatever is the
current, like you know,republican conservative stance
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on immigration.
But he's he's scared, like youcan hear it.
That's not how Charlemagne talks.
Y'all.
Charlemagne talks like he.
He is a professional andtalented orator.
He's a speaker.
He doesn't stumble over himselflike that.
But he shook because he knows,just for being on Fox News and
then on top of that what he'ssaying today, black people, many
(12:39):
are going to say I'm gonna callthat guy a sellout, right?
That's what our conversation,that's what the conversation
Morgan and I had about the storyaround this was this morning.
Was he saw.
The first link you sent me wasMonique at the Breakfast Club
Studio.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh yeah, calling that was like front years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes, calling Charlemagne in so many words
like a slave trader, likesomeone who hands his wife over
to the white slave trader.
So here's what I feel in all ofthis, and this is all coming
back to IO Etabiri.
Last night I posted a reel.
It was me talking about JerryKrause and Michael Jordan and
(13:20):
what I was saying was the beefbetween Michael Jordan and Jerry
Krause is as old as slavery.
You know how much I told myselfwe were not gonna do a race
show today.
Literally yesterday I was likewe're not doing a race show
tomorrow, like we're gonna talkabout other shit tomorrow, but
fuck it.
So Michael Jordan has alifelong beef with a deceased
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person, jerry Krause, becauseJerry Krause talked about,
talked to and treated him asproperty Property In Jerry
Krause's own words, propertyguys and we post a reel of me
talking about that beef betweenthem and I stuck.
(14:10):
You know I have to choose like acover image for the thing.
Right, I have to choose a coverfor the reel and the image that
I chose was a split screen ofme talking about it and Michael
Jordan with a look on his like avery searing, aggressive,
michael Jordan-esque.
You know, look on his face andthe word bully for SEO purposes,
(14:30):
like I just thought oh, cool,great image of Michael Jordan.
The word bully like this willcatch people's eye.
This will stop people and myspectacular producer, morgan,
and I mean that.
She stopped me and she reviewedthe reel and she texted me and
she says I don't even think shesaid you might want to.
(14:53):
She said you should change theword from bully to something
else because she and I hadtalked about this.
You got too many reels wherethe cover is a black man and in
the reel you are critiquing orcriticizing that person's
actions.
And we don't want to give theimplication to someone who just
(15:14):
comes and skims through my gridthat that's who you are, that
you are just the guy who goes infront of a mic and critiques
black people.
And I always say you know, inresponse to that, like if
anybody familiarizes themselveswith my canon, they will.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I hate that.
I hate that oh.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You hate that I had to think about whether I was
gonna do it, but if anybodyfamiliarizes themselves with the
books of Chad, they will know Ihave so much to say, guys,
literally about every fuckingthing, like everything everybody
, myself I have so much to sayabout.
(15:56):
But the rules are you don'tcritique black people in public.
That's the rule, right?
You don't even.
You don't unless unless we haveall decided get that one right,
unless we've all decidedCharlamagne get him, jason
(16:17):
Whitlock get him.
Who else who's on the selloutlist?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Ron, no, whitlock was my Whitlock is there.
That's who I was thinking ofCandace Owens.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Ah, and I'm not mad, okay, I like.
In fact, what I actually feelis man, wouldn't it be a place?
And I and here's the thing Ithink we are actually stepping
into this place and these arethe growing pains of it as a
culture.
Black folks, I think we arestepping into a place where we
(16:51):
have such a prominence in mediaand entertainment culture that
it's like do y'all think I'mgonna come in here and talk
about Sydney Sweeney, Like overDave Chappelle, over Kat
Williams, over IO Adebiri, likethat's not interesting, like I'm
(17:13):
trying to talk about what'sinteresting?
I'm talking, I'm trying to talkabout what matters right now.
I'm talking about I'm trying tocome in here and talk about
culture.
We lead culture, like we arethe talking points, we are the
avatars.
Michael Jordan is the avatar ofman for society, like Beyonce
(17:34):
is the avatar of woman forsociety, like that's.
And so if I'm gonna do my job,I gotta be able to talk with a.
I can't just come in here anddo Ra Ra Shish Mumbak, because I
don't feel that way.
And if you don't do Ra Ra ShishMumbak, the backlash in this
part is fucking crazy, comesfrom black people who are
(17:57):
telling you don't criticizeblack people.
That is a mind fuck.
Why can't we also have the fulldimension of humanity for me to
point out that, yes, lebron isall these things.
He is also a capitalist.
He is also a cheese ball.
(18:18):
He is also selling yousomething Like.
I respect LeBron enough, I seehim as human enough for me to be
honest about who he is and nottreat him like a thing that only
has to be polished and sparkled.
Okay, with that said, now here'swhere I'm actually going with
this.
You guys, this is what I hate,right?
(18:45):
Okay, this is what my sistercalls me resistant.
I am someone who has feltbullied in life.
Okay, I think most people arebullied in many ways.
I think we're all being bulliedby Amazon.
We have no choice but to givein.
We have so few choices but togive.
We are bullied by Amazon.
We're bullied by McDonald's.
We're bullied by Starbucks.
It's like it's extortion, likenigga.
(19:09):
It's like, yeah, that's bullying.
A lot of people can feel it,but don't know where it's coming
from.
Okay, I happen to know whereit's coming from because my dad
made me know it when I was a kid.
Literally, that's the onlyreason, probably he made me know
it.
I felt bullied in high schooland college as one of the kids
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at the cool table who was one ofthe culture bearers of what was
probably making other peoplealso feel bullied, I felt it as
well.
It's hard to bully someone elsewithout feeling bullied by
someone else.
Let's take talent out of thisfor a second.
Okay, I just watched Bottoms acouple nights ago.
(20:02):
Ayo Talented, love the bear,love it.
Okay.
So I don't want this to beabout Ayo.
She is talented, charming,smart, but as far as I can tell
from her performances, like Ienjoy her work.
But this train is coming, nomatter what, y'all are gonna
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make this Ayo thing happen, nomatter what, and there are no
dissenting opinions allowedabout this.
When Morgan sent me that she wasgoing to host SNL and I think
and I will be sent that link bymany other people and I will see
it on and I know the onlyreaction I'm allowed to have to.
(20:46):
That is celebratory, right?
The only I just got done sayingfuck SNL in every possible way
that I could think of, and twoseconds later, ayo's hosting,
and now I'm supposed to be likethat's so fire.
I'm supposed to be like, oh myGod, so good for her, yo.
That is why this shit is.
(21:07):
That is the fake shit thatniggas are on in this whole.
It's like, and that's why Icould never stay on pulse with
the cool kids.
I just can't stay on.
It moves too fast.
I'm like, wait a second.
We just got done saying Oscar'sso white.
Now we're so excited that shewon an Oscar.
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I don't get it.
I'm like I'm not even.
I'm not mad, I'm not mad.
You guys confuse me.
You guys confuse me.
I can't follow, like I'll getlost.
I'm like I thought it was fuckSNL.
I thought it was fuck.
I thought it was, I thought itwas, but it's not.
(21:49):
It's just not man, you guysdon't stand on anything, man,
like you guys don't stand onbusiness.
So now it's oh my God, ayo, ohmy God.
And I just Morgan helped meunderstand.
I don't like.
I, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Do you?
I do, but I'm also a part ofthe problem.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was like are you gonna watch that?
And you were, like you said,the most Gen Z thing, which is
I'm gonna catch the replay onPika.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Pika, what am I doing ?
Waiting till midnight to watcha show on a Saturday?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You'll be out.
Yeah, yeah, I'm like, what am Idoing?
Staying up till midnight towatch a show, morgan's like I
will have just left the house atmidnight.
Um, well, okay, and you guysknow I'm not you know I'm not
being obtuse Like I really can'tfollow.
I'm like, and it reminds me ofa DM I got a few DMs from.
(22:54):
I actually wanna read them andI'm gonna apologize to this
person in advance if this is aWell, you're not gonna say the
name.
No, I won't, but even still,it's just like it was a private
conversation.
Okay, so high school is themetaphor for everything for me
High school, high school.
I just did that whole year highschool show.
(23:15):
It was high school, high school, high school, high school is so
formative and high school, Ithink, is where we, we establish
our social decorum and weevolve as people.
But I don't think we evolve asa herd, much beyond that.
I don't think we evolve much asa herd.
Much Does that make sense?
Like the herd dynamics kind ofstay the same.
It's like we still got jocks,nerds, bullies, sga presidents,
(23:41):
art kids, hookups, cheaters, youknow, closeted people.
Like it all starts right thereOnce, I think, after puberty
happens or as it's happening.
Like as a herd, we lock inthose dynamics and they stay
that way.
And so this is I'll make theconnection here so got a text
from somebody who I loved inhigh school and who I still
(24:03):
think is lovely today.
She is a black woman.
She was a black girl in highschool, obviously, or maybe not
obviously, yeah, whatever, what,morgan, morgan, what Did I say?
What I think?
No, it's just funny.
You know what, before I get tothat, I smelled BO Today.
(24:23):
I was walking behind someone.
I was like oh, it'smotherfucking stinks.
And then I was like our smellypeople.
Have we established them as agroup of people who I cannot say
are smelly?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, it depends on if it's like a medical issue.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh, okay, thank you.
Morgan, I'm so glad you're here.
Okay, black woman.
She was a black girl in highschool.
We are.
This was right after the fourthepisode of Yearbook came out,
where I start talking about how,when the basketball team came
together and we were good, theblack boys on that team, myself
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included, started to be invitedto the white parties.
Okay, in the cafeteria, you gotthe black tables, you got the
white tables.
There's like the one superpopular kid table for the white
kids, and the black kids on thebasketball team started to be
invited to that table once weshowed value to the high school
(25:23):
right.
It's like you blacks are nowallowed here, blacks A few, just
these ones that we, like youguys, come over here.
And it wasn't, of course, likeit's never racist or powerful,
it doesn't need to be stated, itwas signaled.
You know what I mean.
Like it's more powerful thanhad someone said the words.
(25:44):
It would have been weird and wewould have felt weird about it,
maybe even though a couple guysstill would have gone.
Y'all niggas know who you are,but they didn't say it, they
just made us know it.
You're now.
It's like you know you walk andpass the table and someone kind
of like kind of like scoochestheir ass over.
So you have a little you knowwhat I mean A little scooch.
So, all right, a scooch Morgan.
(26:12):
But this was one of the blackgirls who we had been super
clicked up with and who actuallyused to drive some of my boys
to school every day.
But when we got to school itwould be like, okay, we're
allowed over there, but she andher friends knew we can't cross
the line with them.
Okay, it was just clear.
(26:35):
Like I talked on yearbook abouta time when we brought one of
our black girlfriends to thewhite kids party and a purse
goes missing or a bag goesmissing and or allegedly a bag
goes missing and now there'sthis search for it and our
friend has to leave and blah,blah, blah and then like
eventually, oh, the bag's back.
It just turned up out ofnowhere.
So that was the vibe.
(26:55):
All right, this is what she said.
I gotta read it.
This is what she said.
This is her commenting onnoticing how the dynamics
changed with us and the whitekids.
She says well, we deaf, noticedthat you all were increasingly
spending more time with thequote unquote white crowd.
There were comments made.
She means among her and thegirlfriends.
(27:16):
Not that I can remember exactlywhat was said, but I think we
tried to find our moments to set, to stay connected with y'all,
at the lunch tables, birthdays,et cetera.
Thinking about it now, I thinkbecause y'all started connecting
with them junior year, bysenior year we were also
connecting and spending moretime with that crowd at parties,
bonfires, et cetera.
So who knows, in a way maybey'all helped bridge a gap, a gap
(27:38):
dot dot dot for some of us.
And I read that and I thoughtfirst paragraph it's a little
heartbreaking, to be honest.
It's like watching your friendsdrift over there to another
place where you can't drift withthem.
And then second paragraphhonestly, this is I actually can
read now and what I think ofthis second paragraph is I see
(28:01):
someone being graceful, I seesomeone being like I know that
first paragraph was a little,it's like a little, but don't
worry like maybe you guys openedthe door for us and I think
that's sort of like that's atalking point when we see a
black person quote unquote, likebreak the glass, like Kenya
(28:21):
Barris has broken the glass, forit's like really has have any
of the statistics around blackprojects getting green lighted
changed since Kenya Barrisshattered the glass ceiling.
No, I followed by saying hmm,this resonates so much.
Curious about what was said,question mark, as I reflected on
(28:41):
it with the guys, I wish wewere more aware of what we were
doing or giving way to in themoment.
And yet I still think we werewell aware.
Dot, dot, dot, that's graciousto say.
Maybe we bridge the gap, idk.
And then I did like thesideways smiley face which is
like a semi colon with threeslashes.
That's my thing, trademark.
(29:02):
And then she replies so I thinkthe way we saw it was that
y'all were hanging with thewhite girls a lot more.
So I feel like we would makecomments about that, because we
assumed it was because y'all andnot necessarily all of y'all
were hooking up with them andtherefore they got y'all's time.
As far as bridging the gap, Idon't think it was intentional,
but inevitably our circlesstarted merging a little bit.
Now I don't think we werewidely accepted in those spaces,
(29:24):
but we were able to buildrelationships with some of the
white kids, which gave us someaccess.
Okay, how does this relate toit in a period when people say
in a high pitched voice oh myGod, so exciting for IO.
This is so great.
Look at a young black womanbeing honored and seen and
(29:46):
celebrated on this big platformwhich, by the way, I have the
ratings guys.
It's not that big of a fuckingplatform.
It's prestigious like a CondéNast property, but Condé Nast is
shrinking.
It's not big, it's prestigious.
Don't get those things twisted.
The Super Bowl is big.
Snl is medium sized but it isprestigious.
(30:09):
When people say that they'resaying good for her, they're
also saying she's opening a doorfor other people like her and,
first of all, that's not herburden, that is not her axe to
bear and I hope she doesn't feelthe pressure of needing to do
that.
I hope she just goes up thereand bodies it and has a great
(30:33):
time and it's funny.
But it's not opening a door.
Just like us going to partywith the white kids to serve
their purposes, to capitalize onour coolness, our sexuality,
our blackness, whatever, likethat's serving them.
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That does not open a fuckingthing for anybody else who looks
like us.
That is us being capitalized on.
You see what I'm saying.
Like her going and bodying SNLis gonna be hopefully great for
her star.
But like, this is media and Iknow how it works now.
(31:16):
Okay.
When I have a guest come inhere, that's good for me.
When I have a guest come and beon my.
When Keenan Thompson comes onQuidders with me and Julie Bowen
, that's good for me and Julie,a small media property.
Keenan doesn't need that look.
(31:36):
Io doesn't need this look.
Maybe she thinks she does.
A publicist no doubt told herthat she needs this look, but
this is something that SNL willprofit from and that doesn't do
shit for the rest of us.
Going and sitting at the whitekid table in the cafeteria does
not create new seats for otherblack kids at the white kid
cafeteria table.
That's it.
Okay, I've said enough.
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Morgatron is allowing us athree minute backtrack into that
segment because both she andJosh had something, had a rebut
of sorts.
So, morgatron, you go aheadfirst.
What's your point?
What do you have to say?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
My point was I feel like as much as SNL might not be
as big anymore like the live atleast I feel like four
comedians still, especiallyyounger comedians it is still a
thing that is an honor to hostbecause so many amazing people
have done it before.
So I feel like if she got theopportunity, it wasn't her
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publicity saying she needed it,I'm sure, like I mean she was on
Comedy Central at first, LikeI'm sure it was something she
was looking forward to and thatwould be cool for her to do,
especially because there haven'tbeen that many black women.
Hosts of SNL.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I agree.
I think the natural current ofa comedian's journey, a comics
journey and a writer's journeyand a New York journey like they
, would lead one to feel honoredand valued and chosen, to have
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that platform, it has thishistorical relevance, et cetera,
et cetera.
I'm only trying to be and thisis what is strictly unallowed is
any form of nuance.
I am only trying to be preciseand nuanced about like where the
value is and who reaps thatvalue.
I think she reaps the value inprestige, honor If she does a
(33:33):
good job and just by being there.
Also, I think SNL reaps thevalue of her likeness in the
fact that I even know who'shosting SNL is because she's on
it.
I think that there will be someblack people who reap the value
of I say this about BarackObama sometimes which is like as
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a politician, as allpoliticians his actions are.
Some of them are assailable.
Obviously they're notunassailable, but the figurehead
of seeing a black person have abig job.
Sometimes you, just as a humanbeing, you just need hope, you
just need a dream, and so forblack people who see her take
that stage, that's gonna be fuelfor them to go wherever they're
(34:20):
trying to go.
Sometimes you just need energy.
I just wanna be.
This part is the part thatmatters to me, which is we do a
lot of.
The thing of this is a pioneer.
This person is opening a door.
This person is and I don'twanna name names because I
always name the same names butthose doors be closed.
(34:42):
Wait a second, why is shehaving to open a door?
She's like how old is she?
28, 30?
What happened to the door thatwas opened from the person
before that?
And before that, and beforethat, the doors closed behind
people because what's on theother side of that door is a
(35:02):
bunch of white folks who wannahave their meal in private and
only want one person in a timeeating in there with them.
So I agree with you mostly,josh.
What was your rebut?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, it's not even so much a rebut, because I
pretty much I agree with youwholeheartedly, like 100%.
I only think I was sort ofthinking about was for these
institutions, whether it's SNL,whether it's the Oscars or any
other sort of what we'll call itwhite institution, what do you
think?
What do you think if theyactually, in the event that they
(35:36):
are actually trying to quote,unquote, be better?
What are your feelings aboutthat?
And whatever you're about tosay, I'm probably going to agree
with that too.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I mean, if there was some way that I could know that
to actually be so, maybe I couldget behind that like if the
intentions were pure, I mean.
By the way, I don't know thatanybody has made a signal or
communicated that this is a partof some sort of larger effort.
It really may just be a it'snever that simple but like there
(36:10):
may be something simple in itwhich is just like SNL is a
platform that needs growth,right now and it needs to have
its succession plan set in forthe departure of Lauren Michaels
.
It needs to appeal itself toyounger people.
Right now, the only way itreaches younger people is on
social media.
Here is a young black star, awoman who just won an Emmy at
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least one one, right?
I don't know how many.
Whatever they're doing, it'sfunny because they're a legacy
media company, they're a legacyplatform.
So they're doing some verybasic math which is like Emmy
winner, come over here and geton our stage with JLo, yeah, and
that math can work to an extent.
(37:03):
Quite honestly, like that mathis not gonna work forever for IO
.
Okay, taraji could tell herthat that math is not gonna work
.
Like, oh, I'll do the roundsand I'll show up on this red
carpet and I'll do this thingand this thing.
Like that's talent, like that'stalent.
(37:26):
That is the job that peoplebreak their next four to get in
Hollywood and then end up 50 andbroke.
So it's like I'm trying to pullapart.
Like what is this tangled webthat makes us just that?
(37:46):
Just makes us be like, oh, myGod, io on SNL?
Ah, like, okay, I feel you, butI don't feel you because you
guys just told me two secondsago.
It was Oscar, so white.
So what?
So which one really is it?
And on top of that, the superblack platforms.
(38:07):
You guys criticize those two,you know.
You say they're ignorant, yousay they're unsophisticated, you
say they don't look wellproduced.
You say you want the host tohave the exact same politics as
yours.
You want the host to like sookay.
(38:29):
So then what you're telling meand you're saying it to me
clearly, and then I move on moregonna promise is it's actually
not Oscar, so white.
It's actually not fuck SNL,it's man.
We want to sit at the whitetable so bad.
So suck off, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Can we talk about a white person now?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yes, good morning.
Yes, ariana Grande, she's inthe tweets for home, wrecking
allegedly.
And Morgan, can you give me thehigh level beats of what's
happened here?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So basically, her and her Wicked co-star, ethan
Slater, became public that theywere dating and received
backlash because he like justgot divorced and people believe
that they both had affairs ontheir spouses at the time and
(39:24):
that she broke up his marriagewith his high school sweetheart
Ooh, they also just had a baby,like a year ago, I think.
So, yeah, people were draggingher and then she released her
new song, yes, and that peoplethen like felt like was a middle
finger to the haters, because aline on it says, quote why do
(39:49):
you care who's dick I ride?
And people thought that was herresponding to the public.
I missed that line honestly,it's during like the quieter
part where she's like thathushed voice.
Yeah, oh, okay.
I didn't mean to hear that.
So yeah, but then her fansresponded saying not true, ethan
(40:11):
has been estranged from hiswife, or like they weren't
together before.
Him and Ariana got together andyeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So Morgan sent me the song.
I listened to it.
I replied okay, that was fine,you thought that was funny.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I didn't know what I expected you to say.
I didn't expect you to love it,but it was just.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's definitely as Ariana Grande's music is like.
It ranges, I think, from likedistinctly listenable to quite
good in a moment it spikes intoquite good she's got bangers.
Good, ariana Grande.
So all right, you start here.
Josh, have you ever datedsomeone who was in a
relationship?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
No, actually scratch that.
Yes, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, you actually told us the whole story, yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I forgot.
I actually forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You told us the whole story on the record.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Um.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Morgan, I actually could like cut back to video
footage with a date aboutsomebody.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yes, yes, you told us the whole story.
I didn't.
I actually wasn't thinking ofthat when I asked the question,
but then yeah, it's because inmy head I didn't believe they
were together.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
That's why Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Morgan, have you ever dated someone in a relationship
?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
No, not.
Okay, wait, one person theywere in like a situation ship, I
guess and the other person Iwas unaware until later on.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
So then that's, a yes right?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes, but like not knowingly Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I love how you both modified the question for a
denied building.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh, because I feel like that's important.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Okay, okay it is.
So I had a years ago this wasprobably like eight or nine
years ago I used to be quitecavalier, not eight or nine
years ago, for most of my lifemy first girlfriend had a
boyfriend.
When I met her and when westarted talking and that was,
(42:18):
you know, a formative experienceand I was like, oh, this is
something Like you can, you can,you can what's the word?
Enchant someone who is in arelationship and in some ways I
think people in relationshipscan be uniquely enchantable,
because or not uniquely, butlike distinctly enchantable
(42:38):
because oftentimes relationshipsform a pattern, like they can
form into something that likejust doesn't have the same spark
or danger of a new person.
(42:58):
Like you can't recreate the.
You can have magic with yourpartner for as long as you guys
can create that magic, but youcan't create, you cannot
recreate the magic of a newsomething, a new person in your
life, a new whoa, like thatfirst spark of whatever that you
have with a new person.
That's its own thing, it's adifferent drug, you know what I
(43:20):
mean.
Like you can get drunk onwhiskey, but like tequila is
something entirely different.
They're different.
I used to think it was reallyinteresting and almost like an
added level of excitement, tosee what was up with the girls
(43:41):
who were in relationships, liketo really see what was what with
them, to kind of like to testit, like to see, like to see if,
like all that bullshit peoplebe talking about when they're in
relationships and you knowthey'd be lying.
To see, like, if all that stuffabout like how I mean, y'all
(44:04):
know what people inrelationships would be saying
they'd be lying, to just see ifit was real.
I used to think it wasinteresting to test it.
Homewrecking is all around us.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
What a phrase.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You can't Morgan, you literally have that power.
You can do that.
Homewrecking is all the fuckaround us.
Maybe we should try that shirtout.
Like oftentimes, I'm now in anexploration of love and romance
(44:42):
for this new project, and so Iam learning about couples, a lot
about them, and one thing Ihave seen as pattern not among
all of them, but among many ofthem is like most people are
either in or just coming out ofa relationship all the time,
like whether it's they're datingsomeone, whether they are in a
(45:02):
serious relationship, likepeople are in and out of these
little you know these things allthe time, and so and people who
are used to being inrelationships and want to be in
relationships do not stay singlefor very long, and so when
they're encountered by somebodyelse who also wants to be in a
relationship, like they seemavailable to that and then like
(45:27):
we're simple, we're so simple.
Um, I talked to my sister aboutthis yesterday.
I see the reaction to ArianaGrande home record.
I felt this also about GabrielaUnion.
I felt this about Alicia Keys.
I just saw that Jeff Bezos ismarried to someone who he
(45:55):
cheated on his wife with, whoalso cheated on her husband with
Jeff Bezos.
Like home wrecking is all aroundus.
It's like water and it lookslike a lot of the couples that
exist are a result of if wereally went back and looked with
a magnifying glass, the waythat we can look at Ariana
Grande's life the result of someform.
(46:17):
Somebody feels home, wrecked inall of it.
Somebody does.
If you got a partner, they popup in a new relationship shortly
after you guys split up.
You're gonna have, you're gonnabe curious, you're gonna have
thoughts about it, you're gonnawonder, oh, was there already
something going on there beforethis was over?
And of course you can neverreally know, but, like, maybe
(46:40):
you can if they tell you.
But that's what that is.
What seems to be here is thatAriana Grande saw a guy she
liked, he saw her and they homewrecked each other's homes
together, basically, and nowthey have their own thing or
whatever.
I used to have this argumentwith a friend eight or nine
(47:00):
years ago.
That's where I started.
He was in a relationship, I wassingle and he was in a very
serious relationship withsomeone he did not end up with.
They lived together all that,and I was trying to get him to
explain to me what is the like,what is the immorality of the
(47:21):
third party in pursuing someonewho's in a relationship.
Can someone explain it to me ifyou believe that that exists?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I mean, I feel like it feels a little I don't wanna
say like malicious, but that'snot the right word but I feel
like I don't know.
I feel like as a society thereare like societal rules that
people abide by, and one ofwhich is if, like two people are
(47:54):
exclusive and dating and youactively try, it's like poaching
, like job poaching.
That's not really a thingpeople like.
So I guess the same goes forrelationships.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
That sounds right.
Well, I hear.
Let's just.
Let's take a look at it.
So, okay, when I worked atGoogle, there used to be these
big power struggles betweenGoogle, apple and I forgot who
Microsoft, one of them, and itwas about poaching, and there
(48:30):
were lawsuits filed against allthree of those companies for
having a cartel that suppressedour wages by having these little
under the table, agreementsthat we will not poach from each
other, that, like, the laborpays when the management won't
(48:50):
poach from each other.
Like, if let this be a messageto you If I work with your
production company, if I workwith your publication, if I work
with your studio, if I workwith another creator and you
have someone fire that works foryou and they wanna fuck with me
, I will poach them Every 100times out of 100, I will do my
(49:15):
best Because, like, the personwho should be choosing what's
the best circumstance forthemselves is the person, not
the employer, not management.
So, like, what's wrong withpoaching?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Okay, I guess the job example isn't good.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Well, now let's apply it to relationship.
If I meet Ariana Grande, try tothink of the right example.
If I meet Ariana Grande out, Itold my sisters yesterday if I
meet, and my sister was like mysister had so much side-eye for
this point of view.
I was like you know whathappened when I looked at Ariana
and I thought like, oh, that'slike somebody I would probably
date.
She was like, do you meansomeone like Ariana Grande, like
(49:57):
a?
Like a Latino performing whitegirl from Florida?
And I was like, well, when youfucking break it down with that
like that's not fun.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
I was like, but like.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
I don't know, just like someone like this and she
was like she's infantile or someshit like that.
But let me make the point.
The point is, if I met ArianaGrande, if she came in this
studio and did an interview, orif I saw her at, where the fuck
would I see Ariana Grande?
Dumbbell House, probably notthere.
I feel so weird there At aparty, at someone's house.
(50:32):
You know what I mean Hangingout, whatever.
I don't know.
These things are weird.
I don't know the people that Iend up meeting are.
So I like didn't ever thinksome of these people I didn't
even know some of these peopleexisted and yet somehow I have
still not been on the breakfastclub.
Like, I can meet Julie Bowen,but I don't go on the breakfast
club.
I don't get it.
But and I know she's with thisguy, ethan Slater I'm supposed
(50:57):
to like, if I think ArianaGrande might like me and might
want to spend time hanging outwith me, I'm supposed to like
not try to do that out of thesanctity of, you said, of
society.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay, whatever, I say it back, I think you like shoot
your shot, do whatever you gotto do.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
No, I mean, I want to know what you really mean,
though.
Like, because it's never, it'slike wait.
So we're all supposed to beprotecting the sanctity of each
other's relationships.
Like I got to do that too.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
That doesn't sound right either.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
But what do you think , Josh?
Speaker 4 (51:28):
I just think it depends on who's initiating the
interest.
That's really what I think itcomes down to.
I mean, ultimately, like Idon't really feel like the
immorality of it is.
You know that's up to herdebate.
I don't know, I don't reallyfeel like they even that's all
that interesting to debate, likethe immorality of it.
To me it's just like, but likewho you might lay fault at, it's
(51:50):
just like whoever's trying,whoever's, whoever's trying like
and whoever tries first, likethat's kind of where I'm at with
it.
Like, look, if she was tryingwhat's it called, the person in
the relationship was, you know,sort of putting the feelers out
there, showing the interest andsort of seeing where, like,
because you know it kind of goesboth ways.
You know what I'm saying.
Like you know nine times out of10, I feel like, unless you
(52:14):
know, there are people that arejust genuinely.
You meet people inrelationships that are just sort
of flirty people in general,but you know they don't mean
anything by it.
Those people, that's one thing.
But then there's those peopleyou know, like you know you
probably met those.
We've all met those people.
You know they're in arelationship and they're testing
you to see what's it called tosee if you are, like you know,
have whatever the gumption toyou know to try to shoot your
(52:38):
shot in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
That's real.
Yeah, that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Like that's a very real thing and I think at the
end of the day, I'm like I putthe what's it called, I put the
immorality at both people's feet.
But if you both end up likingeach other and you both end up
together and it ends up being,like you know, a fruitful
relationship, I don't really seea problem with it.
The only thing is like I onlyhave an immorality I see with it
is if you are like a personthat is notorious for just
(53:04):
constantly being like, you know,fuck all these single people
out here, I'm just going to goafter people in relationships.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
And there are people like that too, Okay okay.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
So you're saying if the ambitions are impure, then
that's bad right.
You're saying, if you do it forOkay, ooh, ooh, thank you,
morgan, here you go.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
If the goal is to just be like, ooh, I can take
this person that's out of that'sin a relationship and make them
mine versus I have a genuineinterest in this person.
Maybe that's where the line is,I guess I don't know.
You talk, it's your show.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
I don't know what to do.
Okay, I think that, yes, I'veasked the questions.
Now my thoughts are like youknow.
I was listening to the JoeBudden podcast and they were
batting this around and MelissaFord speaks up and says she says
(54:07):
how do you steal somebody'shusband?
Like how do you steal somebodywho doesn't want to be stole?
And that's kind of the onlything that I heard from the
whole discussion.
I don't remember one otherpoint that was made.
That was the only thing, becauseit said the words that I think
are what I have felt the wholetime, which is like I feel sort
of the responsibility to honorand in some ways protect the
(54:33):
relationships of people that Icare about, such that they're
healthy.
And, as far as I can tell, likeI'm gonna tell the truth.
My sister knows what I justsaid is like half true, mostly
when it comes to other people'srelationships.
Like if people start talking tome about their relationships, I
mostly be like giving themevery signal that like I'm on
(54:55):
Pluto right now, like don't evenI have nothing to say, I have
no way in, I have like nothingto offer here, like I stay out
of it, because what happens isespecially people with kids.
They feed you all this, andthis has happened to me.
They feed you all this shitabout how their relationship is
all fucked up.
You then become a receptacle ofhow their relationship is all
(55:15):
fucked up.
I wouldn't do this to you,morgan, though, because I am
here for you, morgan.
I mean that, but most of youguys are not.
Most of you guys are not.
Don't have the honor of Morgan,which is to say you feed
someone all this informationabout how your relationship's
all fucked up.
You're so mad.
Your partner's this and thatand the third, and they
undermine you and they don'trespect you, and they, you know,
(55:36):
blah, blah, blah.
You're all there for them.
You take it all in.
You almost start to build up aresentment for their partner
because of the things thatthey've been telling you, and
then you know two shakes of alamb's tail and you're right
back in love, and now I am thereflection of all the mean
(55:57):
things that you told me aboutyour partner, and so now our
relationship is fucked upbecause you see me as the person
who knows where the bodies areburied in your relationship.
I've been through that.
That sucks.
I don't wanna do that.
Why did I even bring that up,because here's what I really
feel.
What I really feel is, likepeople in relationships, your
relationship is yourresponsibility.
It is the third party, whetherthat is a single person, a
(56:22):
person in their own relationship, a person in a polyamorous
relationship, whoever like thosepeople can and will.
We know now, home wrecking isall around us.
They will shoot their shot asmuch as they feel like it and as
much as you leave an openingfor shots to be shot.
So I really don't feel now achild will suffer for this.
(56:47):
A child will suffer for this.
Why are you laughing, morgan?
You're laughing.
Okay, a child will suffer forthis, and that's bad.
But that child's daddy wasalready looking for an exit ramp
and it found an exit ramp inthe form of Ariana Grande, and
that is like finding an exitramp to Chick-fil-A.
(57:09):
You, if you're looking for italready, if you're hungry and
it's not Sunday, you're going totake that ramp.
So that's what he did.
All right, on the subject ofhome wrecking, doc Rivers.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
That's a great second one that was a good transition.
That was great.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Okay, the Bucks.
You know what's great when itcomes to this NBA shit.
I'm going to say this.
It's going to irritate myfriends.
I play this game.
Two guys, who I know for a fact, listen to this show.
The other two black guys inthis league I'm in a league with
(57:53):
like six dudes, actually,there's no three other guys
listen to this show.
One of them is a Shiel who youguys met.
One of them is Leon, who you'veheard call in.
One of them is Justin, whoyou've probably heard me
reference.
We talk about sports all thetime, we debate sports all the
time, et cetera, et cetera, etcetera.
And we're in this league where,at the beginning of the year,
you each choose five or sixteams, depending on how many
(58:16):
people in the league.
It's like a draft andthroughout the year, you get
points for their wins.
You can bet on certain games toget extra points, et cetera,
and I win pretty much everysingle year.
This is a fact.
This is a fact.
Okay, I'm not good ateverything.
I'm good at that and I lovethat, because we can debate
(58:40):
about LeBron and Giannis andSteph Curry and Kevin Durant,
but then in a day, there's ascoreboard, just like Evan who
won back-to-back, which isimpossible, and we still owe him
tickets to a game two games now.
Evan won the Tower of Anarchytwice.
We had the inaugural season ofthe Tower of Anarchy and the
(59:02):
subsequent season of the Towerof Anarchy and he won twice.
And it's amazing that he wontwice because it's really hard
to bet on basketball or sportsin general, because the odds are
made so well by computers thathave so much more data than the
rest of us, which is why I thinkmy friends who bet on sports
every single day are masochists.
But it's awesome when I'm right.
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It's so great when I'm rightabout the NBA.
And here's something that I amright about and I will continue
to be right about, and everysingle time there is a new node
that supports my rightness.
It's going to be irritating toa smaller group of my friends.
I'm right about the MilwaukeeBucks.
The Milwaukee Bucks destroyedtheir identity when they buy
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Yonis' own wishes and in somecases I mean in some ways people
would say they had to do this.
They had to acquiesce to Yonis', demands to resign him.
But they let Drew Holiday go,they traded him.
He is back to haunt them like awraith, like a phantom, like a
ghost on the Boston Celtics, theteam that I believe will win
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the championship and they did soto bring in Damien Lillard.
Who the Boston Celtics are like, I'm sorry.
The Milwaukee Bucks are like abattering rim.
That's their identity.
They have Yonis and BrookeLopez manning the paint
protecting the rim, who are justhuge trees.
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They are, in their own ways,uniquely athletic for their
sizes, including Brooke Lopez.
You guys, it's crazy thatBrooke Lopez can hit, you know,
253s in a season and can also beone of the top shop blockers in
the league.
Like that's an athlete, y'all.
Yonis is maybe the best athletein the NBA of all time ever.
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It's like him.
Lebron, Pete LeBron is in there, pete Dwight Howard is in there
, but it really might be Yonis.
And then, at the point of attack, they had a roaming,
destructive free safety in DrewHoliday, who is especially at
his prime, but even still pasthis prime, like as devastating
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as a point guard defender as youcan have at the point of attack
on your defense.
And they traded, they made,they did that dumbass shit.
They got all lubed up for thesexy thing which is Damien
Lillard's game, winning shotsthat he makes in rounds that are
irrelevant of the playoffs andsometimes in the regular season,
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and they traded away theirwhole fricking identity for
Damien Lillard.
And now a black will pay, namedAdrian Griffin.
Because, of course, because, ofcourse, because the GM fucked
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up the roster.
The owner certainly doesn't pay.
The owner doesn't pay.
That's not a thing that happens, even when terrible things
happen in your arena and aroundyour owner.
The owner doesn't pay.
A black man will pay.
A black person, a black, adrianGriffin.
He's out.
He's gone After interviewing 14times for the job.
By the way, if you have tointerview 14 times for a job,
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that's a bad job.
Don't take that job.
They don't want you, they'dlike.
If you had to go on 14 dateswith someone before they were
willing to like say, like, okay,great, like we're dating,
that's bad guys.
That's too many dates.
That's too much.
That's too many interviews.
Adrian Griffin is out andAriana Grande is in Doc Rivers.
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Doc Rivers is.
He is like a siren for whitebillionaires.
He has them in his tentacles ina way that I have.
He needs his brain needs to bestudied.
I have known no other black manthan Doc Rivers to be able to
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get so many high profileopportunities from white
billionaires.
It is amazing to me he shouldbe working as like a partner at
a hedge fund.
He should be raising millionsand millions of dollars to be
invested because of how muchwhite billionaires love Doc
Rivers.
And here's here.
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For those who don't are notfamiliar with Doc Rivers, here's
some things to know about him.
He's from Chicago, played inthe NBA, was a point guard,
shooting guard in the league.
Good, but not great.
Like at what level?
Like a a starter.
A starter, but not a star.
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He has a son named Austin Rivers, who played in the NBA for
probably eight, nine, ten years,went to Duke, was one of the
highest.
How did recruits coming out ofhigh school, out of Florida
where they lived Doc Rivers usedto coach the Orlando Magic.
He used to coach the BostonCeltics coached him to a
championship.
He used to coach the LosAngeles Clippers.
He sort of made himself.
Doc Rivers is all things Okay,he's a champion as a coach.
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The NBA almost tried to makehim like a civil rights figure
when they were getting DonaldSterling out the paint when he
said big magic Johnson, what'she ever done?
He's got AIDS.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
One of the greatest clips of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Y'all should check that out.
Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
One of the greatest clips of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
When they were getting Doc Rivers out the I
mean Donald Sterling out thepaint as the Clippers owner.
Doc Rivers was kind of likearound that as the head of that
Doc Rivers house was burned downbecause he is married to a
white woman in Florida where hewas the coach of the Orlando
Magic.
His house the childhood home ofAustin Rivers Please make sure
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I'm right on the reporting thisbut was burned down.
He coached the Ubuntu Celticsto a championship.
He coached the failure JoellenBede, james Hard and Sixers to
the second round, which is wherethey always look, where Joellen
Bede always loses.
He is has he?
Have I missed a stop for him?
He's coached.
He is now moving on to anothergreat job.
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He is coached.
I'll just off the top of thehead.
This is going to make it now.
Yannis, encin, ticumbo, damienLidlard, kevin Garnett, regan
Rondo, paul Pierce, ray Allen,chris Paul, blake Griffin.
Who am I forgetting?
I'm missing?
Oh, dwight Howard, no, no, no,t-mac, not Dwight Howard.
Joellen Bede, tyrese, maxie,james Harden, ben Simmons.
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He has coached like 15 All-Starto all NBA level players and
now he's going to go coachYannis, and Yannis has some
blood on his hands for this.
Like Yannis, has been vocalabout the disarray of the team,
et cetera, et cetera.
Like Adrian Griffin got firedafter 43 games, okay, doc Rivers
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is now going to be on payrollas the new coach.
Adrian Griffin is still on thepayroll through his contract.
Their previous coach what'sthat guy's name?
Bud Bud Budenholzer, also stillon the contract.
They're going to be payingthree coaches to have Doc Rivers
come in.
But this is the most importantpart.
Doc Rivers is a white manwhisperer in a way that I want
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to understand.
He was working on the ringer asone of the voices on the ringer
for a few months just now withBill Simmons.
Bill Simmons used to skewer DocRivers when he was the coach of
the Boston Celtics.
He brings Doc in as like avoice to come on on basketball
every week with Bill and go likehead-to-head kind of thing, and
their chemistry was lovely.
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It was like it was fuckingbuoyant, it was beautiful, it
was like it was so easy and I'mjust like, wow, doc Rivers, doc
Rivers, this is a special personand I don't know where to
assign, how he's been able topull this off.
But there is something aboutDoc Rivers that attracts the
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trust and love of really, really, really, really, really wealthy
white men, and I'm strugglingto think of another black person
who had it's not like MikeTomlin Different.
Mike Tomlin's had one dope joband he has overperformed to keep
that job as the head coach ofthe Steelers.
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Like I'm trying to think of whois the other guy or Gal who has
this same siren song for thewhite billionaire?
And I can't.
I can't think of the person.
The Milwaukee Bucks are going tofail.
A victory for the Bucks thisyear is a championship because
they have Yannis and DameLillard and like it's going to
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fail.
Doc Rivers is not the coachthat gets you over the hump.
He's not the guy that gets youover the hump if you have a
broken structure, which is whatthey do.
The problem is they swapped inthe sexy thing that had you
guys' eyes like all lighting upbecause it's Dame Lillard.
Oh my God, dame Lillard.
Like Dame Lillard is not afixture of winning in the NBA.
That's broken.
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Like it's not going to workuntil they get somebody else
back on the perimeter who hasthat kind of like, has that kind
of impact on basketball.
So so I was right and I'm goingto continue to be right and I
love it.
All right, we're going to doquestions, because some of these
questions have been pretty good.
I'm learning some interestingstuff.
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I am starting this weeksomething that I hope will
actually next week, somethingthat I hope will grow into a
larger like I don't knowrecurring program.
Okay, I'll tell you guys, mybig, my big vision for this
thing is like one day I wouldlove to have some sort of summit
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or retreat that is like a threeday experience where a bunch of
people who are serious aboutmoving forward their creative
projects come to a place.
What's been in mind for me issomewhere like somewhere like
Joshua tree, like a desert, areally really, really really
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nice Airbnb or like housingvenue, and that we spend those
three days.
And I mean like serious people,like people who, people who are
like, who want to either get outof their nine to five by way of
their creative vision, or whoalready have taken that jump and
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are like feel some level ofurgency about actually making
the thing happen, not people whoare kind of like I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know, Idon't know, and and I think it's
actually going to be easy toscreen for that.
I think you just make it costprohibitive for anybody who's
going to be like I don't know, Idon't know, I don't know.
And then you find ways to makethe cost manageable for someone
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who can't afford that but isserious, by screening in a
different way.
We'll figure it out, but thesteps leading up to that, I'm
realizing, are I have started adialogue on Instagram with my
followers, who I'm learning are,many of whom are people who
Really want to step out of theirlife and into something that
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they care more about and feelenthusiastic about, like feel
electric about, and they justdon't know how to get from a to
be on that, exactly like how toget the ball rolling.
But they are serious, I cantell, because, like, they're
willing to pay to talk about it,basically.
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So One thing that has come upthat's been recurring.
I'm gonna read two questions andyou'll get the gist.
The question was what do youwant this year?
Just open ended, I just saidwhat do you want this year?
And here's one answer to figureout what to do with my life
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after 10 years off of work,after having two kids.
Here's another one finish mybook, but I'll settle for
writing a page a day.
Join the process.
And I started conversations withthese people in DMs and just to
get a sense of what's going onwith them, what's blocking them,
et cetera.
And one thing that's beencoming up is like I spent too
much time away from my creativeproject.
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I spent too much time away alsofrom just the environment that
supports these projects.
For instance, if I hadn't spentany time in podcasting the last
five years and now, after 10years, instead, let's say,
working at Google was like oh, Iwanna start a podcast, excuse
me, I would be able to hacktogether some of how to make it,
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but there's all these littlethings, and then there's all
these almost spiritual thingsthat have to be sorted out to
actually clear the runway foryou to do what you're trying to
do.
The same is true forscreenwriting, the same is true
for production, the same is truefor writing a book.
It's like, conceptually, thesethings are simple, and they are
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simple once you have the rightinformation to make that
launchpad.
So what I see from these peoplespecifically is like one person
even shared her age with me andshe feels like this is so far
gone for me.
I actually I don't wanna put afeeling on her, but what I'm
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inferring from her sharing herage was like that might be a
block to me getting traction inthis.
That might stop some.
Maybe that makes me not theright person for this path or
whatever.
And I think truly, I reallytruly believe this.
I think the person who has theconfines of a real life, with
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real I don't wanna say burdens,but responsibilities, like kids,
a mortgage the person who hasthe structure of a life that
says you don't get to spend 10hours a day every day on this,
to me is perfect because youwill assign yourself in a lot of
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amount of time every day andthat small, narrow confine of
space that you have to walkthrough it will restrict you, if
you like.
If you, if you, will bethoughtful about your approach,
it will stop you from doing allthis dumb shit that I think man
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have.
I spent a lot of time doing dumbshit over the last seven years
because I've had no job.
Like man have I spent a lot oftime chasing headlines and
relationships that I didn't needto.
Actually, I could have beendoing this all along.
I could have.
If I had started doing thisseven years ago, imagine where
this would have been.
But you have the benefit of Iwas chasing other things.
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I was chasing social status.
I was chasing self-esteem,prestige, hollywood street cred.
Boy, did I not need any of thatshit.
So I think you, with the lifethat you have, if you have a
wifi connection, if you have abasic understanding of social
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media, that I or somebody elsecan help you like I am.
So not a social media whiz, butI have learned enough to figure
out how to like do the samerepeatable steps over and over
and over again just to geteyeballs on my stuff.
Like I think you are wellsuited.
I think you're better suited,probably, than you know that you
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are Person who has kids.
Person who's in their 50s,person who has a nine to five
job.
Like person who now the otherquestion that comes up that I've
been or not.
It's not a question, it's aresponse which is people saying
I want to spend my life doingsomething I care about going
like that's what they're saying.
Like ah, I'm so tired of doingthis dumb shit.
I wanna do something I love.
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My challenge to that is likecan you green light yourself
first by like making thesmallest polished version of the
thing that you want to spendyour life doing?
If you wanna be a TV writer,like can you finish your first
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screenplay?
Or, even better, honestly, canyou make your first digital
short Two minutes, two minutes,and then I can show you how to
run a digital campaign on it toget views on it.
If you can make one littlething explode, like if you can
get a hundred thousand views onone thing, you can leverage that
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into so much more that you want, like it's.
The question is just the thingto know is that mysterious
person who's going to greenlight?
You is yourself.
Like that other person is notout.
Spike Lee couldn't do it.
Like Spike Lee couldn't get myshow on TV, morgan Freeman
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couldn't get my show on TV.
Like that person is not outthere.
It's you.
You like, once you show they'reall looking for the person who
can self-start themselves.
Enough, these studios and shit.
They wanna pour fuel on a firethat's already burning.
So you just gotta like that'sall they're gonna do.
I promise you, I promise you,especially the agencies, I
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promise you they are not goingto give you a chance to get a
chance to get a chance to get achance to get a chance to get a
chance to get a chance to get achance to get a chance to get
your not going to get your flameablaze.
You gotta do that and you cando that from your home living
room.
You can do that, for, if youhave $100 to spend a month on
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promoting your own stuff, if youcan take $100 out of your Uber
Eats budget a month and put itinto promotion for your own
stuff online.
So don't rule yourself out.
There is, the industry is indisarray.
There is no greenlighter rightnow.
If the greenlight is whoeverthe fuck the audience, whoever
the consumer says is thegreenlight, that's the
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greenlight right now.
So just don't rule yourself outright now.
Great speech, okay, live showFebruary 8th, washington DC at
Shanklin Hall.
Go to Shanklinhallcom or go tothe link in my bio Listen.
Okay, I have learned something.
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I've learned this from a salesexpert who cut his teeth in
sales, really in training andteaching people how to sell at
Google, linkedin, what's that?
One that starts with an?
I Indeed no Good one, though Ican't remember.
I can't remember.
Hi Kenzie, this is a highperforming, I would say a highly
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a person who understands salesokay Deeply, in a real way, not
like salesy sales, not like thatsilly shit on movies, like
actual sales.
He said Chai, you are good atselling.
He says it all the time.
He says you are really good.
Salesman Says that Sell things,sell big things, sell little
things.
Selling is about honesty.
So I am about to sell you allthese tickets for this live show
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.
Okay, we started marketingthese tickets two weeks ago.
There's two weeks until theshow.
Most people wait until the weekof something before they buy
their tickets.
We have sold out half of thevenue, which is to say, in half
of the time that we will havespent selling these tickets,
we've already sold half thevenue, which means the tickets
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will sell out.
When you text me because thetickets are sold out, set this
before.
I'm going to repeat it.
At best I will ignore you.
At worst the text will turngreen because you have texted
the wrong number.
Okay, when you texted thenumber, you meant the text, but
it's not my number anymore.
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So I'm going to add one morething, and it's honest.
I love it.
I love telling the thing.
I love saying the truth.
It's so, fire.
This is the truth.
If I know you live in DC andyou're not there, you can tell.
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I'm the kind of person who willremember that.
Right, does that seem obvious?
I'm the nigga who will see youagain and you will go to DapMe
and you will feel in my Dap thatI remembered that you weren't
there.
I'm not saying that to scarepeople into going, because I'm
not scary, but what I mean is Iwill notice because and this is
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the other thing, and this I lovethis form of honesty you guys
know these shows are going toget bigger and this is show
number one.
You know that by show number 10,this is going to be a rock
house event.
Okay, you guys know that thisis show number one.
The people who come to shownumber 10, not going to notice
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who's there, it's going to betoo many people.
This is show number one.
Okay, the pictures, all that,these pictures will live.
It'll be a picture of me inthis venue with you guys, and I
will remember that, because atshow number 10, we might not
even get to Dap because I don'tknow how many people are going
to be there.
I know exactly how many peoplewill be there for this one.
So go buy your tickets.
If you procrastinate, it'sstill going to be all love, but
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it'll be a different kind oflove.
It'll be like the love I havefor my colleagues in Hollywood.
Okay, this is nothing but airkey.
Goodbye.
Bye, bye.
Okay, welcome to nothing by anarchy.
This is the show that exploresand subverts all the things,
particularly entertainment,music, sports media.
There's so much on this thingtoday, so we're just going to
get right to it.
I actually, in the podcast thatI listened to now there's a
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couple Dan Levitar shows one ofthem that like spends the first
12 minutes trying to be funnyand not like talking about the
interesting stuff, and I'm justlike I mean, they're just not.
They're just not funny, like Iknow.
Dan Levitar kind of wants tothink of himself as in the room
with comedians now because hereally admires them and he like
brings in Hollywood writers whowrite comedy and he brings on
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like Neil Brennan and shit likethat, and it just doesn't.
It's just, it's just notworking for me, bro.
Just I hate to be one of thosefans.
But, like, just talk aboutsports, dog, but I'm definitely
not going to do that.
So we got a few things to talkabout.
There's a lot on the docket here.
I have been walking aroundfeeling quite unhinged because I
(01:13):
, in a good way, I feel alive,because I got good sleep last
night, because I didn't eatanything that gave me heartburn
in the middle of the night, lastnight, which this is a turning
point for me like this is likeI've been eating the same
basically for 15 years and Ijust reached an age where my
body is telling me there arecertain things I'm not allowed
to eat, especially after likeeight o'clock at night.
(01:36):
So I slept, I slept through thenight.
Crazy, crazy what sleep can do.
Okay, um, here's here's herethe things at the top of this
docket, morgan, we have DaveChappelle speaks on.
He was live at.
Do we know where he was at?
He was speaking on cat Williamsand he says, quote unquote why
are you drawing ugly pictures ofus?
(01:58):
He says cat Williams is one ofthe best painters in the world.
Why are you drawing uglypictures of us?
Um, he didn't say anythingabout any of these white boys.
What was the venue, morgan?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Durey's at the Hollywood improv okay, a
Hollywood place.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
We have a Gen Z segment.
I know I'm calling this a Gen Zsegment.
Even though Ariana Grande isnot Gen Z, I feel like she
belongs to Gen Z more than shebelongs to Millennials, like I
actually bet Gen Z people seeher as like, almost like the way
we see Christina Aguilera,which is crazy like they see her
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as like a staple of music.
And I still see her as like, oh, like, the Ariana Grande thing
is happening.
That's so cool, that's so good.
Good for her.
Um, she's in, she's in theinternet because of home
wrecking.
I guess is the reason why she'sin the internet right now.
Yeah, ready to say, okay,alleged home wrecking, alleged
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home wrecking, that's okay.
We're not.
You know, I don't need to sayalleged here.
Um, unless, whatever, we'llcome back.
And then the third thing hereis Morgan.
Can you say this person's nameso I don't say it wrong?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
IO Ed Deb RA okay.
I don't think that's rightthat's based off of the link of
pedia she said that with maximumconfidence and a bar.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
There's a B in it yeah, ed Deb Burr.
Okay, I'm gonna look at allright, thank you, morgan, that's
okay.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I love you, I oh yes, she loves you great, and we're
gonna get right to that I.
She loves you, even though shedoesn't know how to say your
name.
Um, so, which one of thosethree things?
Because the first, the firstbullet, has Charlemagne also
involved in it.
Which one of those three thingsdo you guys want me to start
with?
On the count of three, can youguys both say which is most
(03:49):
interesting to you?
Either say Dave Ariana or IO123.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
IO.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Dave for me, sorry.
Okay, the black guy says Dave.
The black woman says IO, allright, I'll do IO, just you know
to be the guy, all right.
So I was at the gym yesterday.
Was that yesterday, morgan?
Are you still looking for herpronunciation?
Yes, I think it's okay, morgan.
We've moved, we've moved on.
It's okay, because this isactually like what Morgan's
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doing right now is like what Iwant to speak to, which is my
sister and I.
We talked last night.
I interviewed her for my newlove project and she we were
talking about you know, um,where I am in life and how I am,
and one thing that came up isI'm a, I'm a, I'm a resistant
person.
I have, I have like asubversive gene, I have like a
(04:42):
rebellion to me and, um, man,this show is going to have, the
pieces are all going to liketouch each other, because here's
one way that it's really hardto be black you get conflicting
information on exactly what yourdirections are as a black
person and then, inside of allof that, you are just a person
(05:04):
who has your own actual purposeand your own actual point of
view and you just got to do whatyou got like.
You just got to do what you'reliterally born to do, and I
think specifically that I amborn with um vision to see.
Sometimes I have giant blindspots.
(05:24):
My therapist tells me, um, shedoesn't say giant, I'm putting
that on myself, but I have blindspots, like everybody.
But I can see what I can see,as many people can, in different
ways.
I think my particular vision isto see.
Um, hypocrisy is to see, uh,when we are all pretending like
we agreed on something but wedidn't talk about it.
(05:45):
Um, when, when there is a forcethat is pushing us in some
direction and the source isunknown and unnamed and we need
to examine it.
That's something that I canoften feel I guess is a better
way to say I can feel, I'msensitive, I'm like, oh, I feel
something coming and I kind oflike sometimes I dig my heels in
(06:05):
and I'm like wait, what'shappening?
What's happening, what'shappening all right, here comes.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Can I call myself out ?
Yes okay, so I'm a.
Since this is on the record,I'm going to call myself out for
the problematic thing that Ijust did what did you do?
Which is when you see someone'sname and you assume that it's
harder than it actually isbecause it's literally how it's
spelled, which is at a very okay, so I forgive you.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, um, I think you did your best, morgan, that's
not where I was going.
Here's the thing that I feelcoming.
Okay, you know before, I'm justgoing to package this in a
little more bubble wrap becausebecause y'all are going to hate
this and I and so now I feelexcited because I'm realizing I
didn't know, this is what I cameto say, but I know that y'all
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are going to hate this.
Charlemagne is just a dude,like he's just a person.
Okay, we know about Charlemagne.
Literally, you guys know why weknow about Charlemagne.
Do you know why we know aboutCharlemagne?
Do you know why we know aboutCharlemagne?
I think you, probably you'llremember as soon as I say it is
no, I don't know we know aboutCharlemagne because Ray J came
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on the breakfast club 10 yearsago, 10 plus years ago, 12 years
ago.
I was sitting at my desk atGoogle when I first got this
clip.
He comes on the breakfast club,coked up allegedly to talk
about an interaction that he hadwith rate, with fabulous, where
he said a bunch of just look,you can look it up more.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You should definitely look it up this is history you
need to know this it is one ofthe most iconic guest
appearances on a radio show, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think period in culture, definitely in black
culture, and like it's,charlemagne specifically was
able to exercise out of Ray J aperformance of ridiculousness
that made that show blow up andit's stay.
And then and then Charlemagneand Envy and Angel E did the
(08:04):
hard work of remaining relevantover a decade, like doing what
you got to do to stay relevantover a decade.
Now, whether those are likablepeople, whether you agree with
their politics or how they are,who they are, whatever, like
that's individual, I don't knowthem.
I've only met Charlemagne onetime.
I've sat in their studio whenthey weren't there, one time
(08:24):
when I went to go visit AngieMartínez and I sat there, excuse
me, and I thought to myself.
I'll tell you guys, somethingfrom the beginning of this
journey.
For me, when I have dreamt ofwhat will it look like when my
voice is really reaching a placethat it can be heard, that
(08:47):
dream has always been me sittingin the breakfast club.
That's it.
Now it has evolved intosomething different, which is
like me doing this thing in agiant venue, like an arena or
something like that, but likefor the first 10 years, let's
call it of like.
From the moment I was sittingin that desk at Google until
maybe two years ago, that andstill that dream has always been
(09:09):
I'll go on the breakfast club.
I have gone on platforms biggerthan the breakfast club and I
have gone on platforms that mostpeople who are black in
entertainment would value muchgreater than the breakfast club,
aka white people's places.
But I know that if I ever go onthe breakfast club, I will have
(09:33):
something to say to the peoplewho are a part of my culture
that I think will connect andwill land in a way that is
unusual anyway.
Here's why it's complicated tobe a black person, because
everyone not everyone, but somany people have a point of view
(09:57):
on what you are allowed to haveas your point of view as a
black person.
For example, dave Chappelle issaying cat Williams, why are you
calling out our people inpublic?
(10:17):
Chris Rock goes on his own standup.
He does his own stand upspecial on Netflix after getting
slapped up by Will Smith andsays, as his landing line in the
stand up, he says, aftercalling will Smith bitch, bitch,
bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch,bitch, bitch.
So many times bitch.
He then says you were raisedpoorly because you got to know
(10:39):
not to fight in front of whitepeople.
Okay, that's a point of view onhow black people should behave,
but, but again, under the gazeof quote, unquote, the public,
white people.
Now Charlemagne, and boy wouldI have to do a lot of homework
to actually understand whatCharlemagne's real point of view
(11:00):
on this is.
But Morgan sent me a clip ofCharlemagne on Fox News.
Do you want to just play the?
Would you mind just playing theclip?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I've never spoken to as many people who are concerned
about the migrant issue as Ihave.
You know, over the past yearthey took 2000 migrants and put
them in the school and made theschool stay home, made the
students stay home and, and, andyou know, do school via, via,
via zoom, and that was a bigissue, like I mean, people were
(11:27):
calling okay, you stop it justjust okay now.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
First of all, this is a professional orator, guys.
This person talks for a living.
He's nervous you can hear thathe's nervous and he's stumbling.
And he's on Fox News.
Like he already knows, he hassort of broken a rule of culture
even by being appearing on thisnews channel.
(11:50):
But he's nervous like he shook.
He's like I'm here to say thisthing but I I don't know how
it's going to be construed and Idon't know.
Like I don't know how they'regoing to edit this.
And he's a media expert.
Like he knows his words can betaken and manipulated and also
like he might actually stand 10toes down on whatever is the
current, like you know,republican conservative stance
(12:13):
on immigration.
But he's he's scared, like youcan hear it.
That's not how Charlemagne talks.
Y'all.
Charlemagne talks like he.
He is a professional andtalented orator.
He's a speaker.
He doesn't stumble over himselflike that.
But he shook because he knows,just for being on Fox News and
then on top of that what he'ssaying today, black people, many
(12:39):
are going to say I'm gonna callthat guy a sellout, right?
That's what our conversation,that's what the conversation
Morgan and I had about the storyaround this was this morning.
Was he saw.
The first link you sent me wasMonique at the Breakfast Club
Studio.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh yeah, calling that was like front years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes, calling Charlemagne in so many words
like a slave trader, likesomeone who hands his wife over
to the white slave trader.
So here's what I feel in all ofthis, and this is all coming
back to IO Etabiri.
Last night I posted a reel.
It was me talking about JerryKrause and Michael Jordan and
(13:20):
what I was saying was the beefbetween Michael Jordan and Jerry
Krause is as old as slavery.
You know how much I told myselfwe were not gonna do a race
show today.
Literally yesterday I was likewe're not doing a race show
tomorrow, like we're gonna talkabout other shit tomorrow, but
fuck it.
So Michael Jordan has alifelong beef with a deceased
(13:45):
person, jerry Krause, becauseJerry Krause talked about,
talked to and treated him asproperty Property In Jerry
Krause's own words, propertyguys and we post a reel of me
talking about that beef betweenthem and I stuck.
(14:10):
You know I have to choose like acover image for the thing.
Right, I have to choose a coverfor the reel and the image that
I chose was a split screen ofme talking about it and Michael
Jordan with a look on his like avery searing, aggressive,
michael Jordan-esque.
You know, look on his face andthe word bully for SEO purposes,
(14:30):
like I just thought oh, cool,great image of Michael Jordan.
The word bully like this willcatch people's eye.
This will stop people and myspectacular producer, morgan,
and I mean that.
She stopped me and she reviewedthe reel and she texted me and
she says I don't even think shesaid you might want to.
(14:53):
She said you should change theword from bully to something
else because she and I hadtalked about this.
You got too many reels wherethe cover is a black man and in
the reel you are critiquing orcriticizing that person's
actions.
And we don't want to give theimplication to someone who just
(15:14):
comes and skims through my gridthat that's who you are, that
you are just the guy who goes infront of a mic and critiques
black people.
And I always say you know, inresponse to that, like if
anybody familiarizes themselveswith my canon, they will.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I hate that.
I hate that oh.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You hate that I had to think about whether I was
gonna do it, but if anybodyfamiliarizes themselves with the
books of Chad, they will know Ihave so much to say, guys,
literally about every fuckingthing, like everything everybody
, myself I have so much to sayabout.
(15:56):
But the rules are you don'tcritique black people in public.
That's the rule, right?
You don't even.
You don't unless unless we haveall decided get that one right,
unless we've all decidedCharlamagne get him, jason
(16:17):
Whitlock get him.
Who else who's on the selloutlist?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Ron, no, whitlock was my Whitlock is there.
That's who I was thinking ofCandace Owens.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Ah, and I'm not mad, okay, I like.
In fact, what I actually feelis man, wouldn't it be a place?
And I and here's the thing Ithink we are actually stepping
into this place and these arethe growing pains of it as a
culture.
Black folks, I think we arestepping into a place where we
(16:51):
have such a prominence in mediaand entertainment culture that
it's like do y'all think I'mgonna come in here and talk
about Sydney Sweeney, Like overDave Chappelle, over Kat
Williams, over IO Adebiri, likethat's not interesting, like I'm
(17:13):
trying to talk about what'sinteresting?
I'm talking, I'm trying to talkabout what matters right now.
I'm talking about I'm trying tocome in here and talk about
culture.
We lead culture, like we arethe talking points, we are the
avatars.
Michael Jordan is the avatar ofman for society, like Beyonce
(17:34):
is the avatar of woman forsociety, like that's.
And so if I'm gonna do my job,I gotta be able to talk with a.
I can't just come in here anddo Ra Ra Shish Mumbak, because I
don't feel that way.
And if you don't do Ra Ra ShishMumbak, the backlash in this
part is fucking crazy, comesfrom black people who are
(17:57):
telling you don't criticizeblack people.
That is a mind fuck.
Why can't we also have the fulldimension of humanity for me to
point out that, yes, lebron isall these things.
He is also a capitalist.
He is also a cheese ball.
(18:18):
He is also selling yousomething Like.
I respect LeBron enough, I seehim as human enough for me to be
honest about who he is and nottreat him like a thing that only
has to be polished and sparkled.
Okay, with that said, now here'swhere I'm actually going with
this.
You guys, this is what I hate,right?
(18:45):
Okay, this is what my sistercalls me resistant.
I am someone who has feltbullied in life.
Okay, I think most people arebullied in many ways.
I think we're all being bulliedby Amazon.
We have no choice but to givein.
We have so few choices but togive.
We are bullied by Amazon.
We're bullied by McDonald's.
We're bullied by Starbucks.
It's like it's extortion, likenigga.
(19:09):
It's like, yeah, that's bullying.
A lot of people can feel it,but don't know where it's coming
from.
Okay, I happen to know whereit's coming from because my dad
made me know it when I was a kid.
Literally, that's the onlyreason, probably he made me know
it.
I felt bullied in high schooland college as one of the kids
(19:38):
at the cool table who was one ofthe culture bearers of what was
probably making other peoplealso feel bullied, I felt it as
well.
It's hard to bully someone elsewithout feeling bullied by
someone else.
Let's take talent out of thisfor a second.
Okay, I just watched Bottoms acouple nights ago.
(20:02):
Ayo Talented, love the bear,love it.
Okay.
So I don't want this to beabout Ayo.
She is talented, charming,smart, but as far as I can tell
from her performances, like Ienjoy her work.
But this train is coming, nomatter what, y'all are gonna
(20:25):
make this Ayo thing happen, nomatter what, and there are no
dissenting opinions allowedabout this.
When Morgan sent me that she wasgoing to host SNL and I think
and I will be sent that link bymany other people and I will see
it on and I know the onlyreaction I'm allowed to have to.
(20:46):
That is celebratory, right?
The only I just got done sayingfuck SNL in every possible way
that I could think of, and twoseconds later, ayo's hosting,
and now I'm supposed to be likethat's so fire.
I'm supposed to be like, oh myGod, so good for her, yo.
That is why this shit is.
(21:07):
That is the fake shit thatniggas are on in this whole.
It's like, and that's why Icould never stay on pulse with
the cool kids.
I just can't stay on.
It moves too fast.
I'm like, wait a second.
We just got done saying Oscar'sso white.
Now we're so excited that shewon an Oscar.
(21:28):
I don't get it.
I'm like I'm not even.
I'm not mad, I'm not mad.
You guys confuse me.
You guys confuse me.
I can't follow, like I'll getlost.
I'm like I thought it was fuckSNL.
I thought it was fuck.
I thought it was, I thought itwas, but it's not.
(21:49):
It's just not man, you guysdon't stand on anything, man,
like you guys don't stand onbusiness.
So now it's oh my God, ayo, ohmy God.
And I just Morgan helped meunderstand.
I don't like.
I, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Do you?
I do, but I'm also a part ofthe problem.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was like are you gonna watch that?
And you were, like you said,the most Gen Z thing, which is
I'm gonna catch the replay onPika.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Pika, what am I doing ?
Waiting till midnight to watcha show on a Saturday?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You'll be out.
Yeah, yeah, I'm like, what am Idoing?
Staying up till midnight towatch a show, morgan's like I
will have just left the house atmidnight.
Um, well, okay, and you guysknow I'm not you know I'm not
being obtuse Like I really can'tfollow.
I'm like, and it reminds me ofa DM I got a few DMs from.
(22:54):
I actually wanna read them andI'm gonna apologize to this
person in advance if this is aWell, you're not gonna say the
name.
No, I won't, but even still,it's just like it was a private
conversation.
Okay, so high school is themetaphor for everything for me
High school, high school.
I just did that whole year highschool show.
(23:15):
It was high school, high school, high school, high school is so
formative and high school, Ithink, is where we, we establish
our social decorum and weevolve as people.
But I don't think we evolve asa herd, much beyond that.
I don't think we evolve much asa herd.
Much Does that make sense?
Like the herd dynamics kind ofstay the same.
It's like we still got jocks,nerds, bullies, sga presidents,
(23:41):
art kids, hookups, cheaters, youknow, closeted people.
Like it all starts right thereOnce, I think, after puberty
happens or as it's happening.
Like as a herd, we lock inthose dynamics and they stay
that way.
And so this is I'll make theconnection here so got a text
from somebody who I loved inhigh school and who I still
(24:03):
think is lovely today.
She is a black woman.
She was a black girl in highschool, obviously, or maybe not
obviously, yeah, whatever, what,morgan, morgan, what Did I say?
What I think?
No, it's just funny.
You know what, before I get tothat, I smelled BO Today.
(24:23):
I was walking behind someone.
I was like oh, it'smotherfucking stinks.
And then I was like our smellypeople.
Have we established them as agroup of people who I cannot say
are smelly?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, it depends on if it's like a medical issue.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh, okay, thank you.
Morgan, I'm so glad you're here.
Okay, black woman.
She was a black girl in highschool.
We are.
This was right after the fourthepisode of Yearbook came out,
where I start talking about how,when the basketball team came
together and we were good, theblack boys on that team, myself
(25:02):
included, started to be invitedto the white parties.
Okay, in the cafeteria, you gotthe black tables, you got the
white tables.
There's like the one superpopular kid table for the white
kids, and the black kids on thebasketball team started to be
invited to that table once weshowed value to the high school
(25:23):
right.
It's like you blacks are nowallowed here, blacks A few, just
these ones that we, like youguys, come over here.
And it wasn't, of course, likeit's never racist or powerful,
it doesn't need to be stated, itwas signaled.
You know what I mean.
Like it's more powerful thanhad someone said the words.
(25:44):
It would have been weird and wewould have felt weird about it,
maybe even though a couple guysstill would have gone.
Y'all niggas know who you are,but they didn't say it, they
just made us know it.
You're now.
It's like you know you walk andpass the table and someone kind
of like kind of like scoochestheir ass over.
So you have a little you knowwhat I mean A little scooch.
So, all right, a scooch Morgan.
(26:12):
But this was one of the blackgirls who we had been super
clicked up with and who actuallyused to drive some of my boys
to school every day.
But when we got to school itwould be like, okay, we're
allowed over there, but she andher friends knew we can't cross
the line with them.
Okay, it was just clear.
(26:35):
Like I talked on yearbook abouta time when we brought one of
our black girlfriends to thewhite kids party and a purse
goes missing or a bag goesmissing and or allegedly a bag
goes missing and now there'sthis search for it and our
friend has to leave and blah,blah, blah and then like
eventually, oh, the bag's back.
It just turned up out ofnowhere.
So that was the vibe.
(26:55):
All right, this is what she said.
I gotta read it.
This is what she said.
This is her commenting onnoticing how the dynamics
changed with us and the whitekids.
She says well, we deaf, noticedthat you all were increasingly
spending more time with thequote unquote white crowd.
There were comments made.
She means among her and thegirlfriends.
(27:16):
Not that I can remember exactlywhat was said, but I think we
tried to find our moments to set, to stay connected with y'all,
at the lunch tables, birthdays,et cetera.
Thinking about it now, I thinkbecause y'all started connecting
with them junior year, bysenior year we were also
connecting and spending moretime with that crowd at parties,
bonfires, et cetera.
So who knows, in a way maybey'all helped bridge a gap, a gap
(27:38):
dot dot dot for some of us.
And I read that and I thoughtfirst paragraph it's a little
heartbreaking, to be honest.
It's like watching your friendsdrift over there to another
place where you can't drift withthem.
And then second paragraphhonestly, this is I actually can
read now and what I think ofthis second paragraph is I see
(28:01):
someone being graceful, I seesomeone being like I know that
first paragraph was a little,it's like a little, but don't
worry like maybe you guys openedthe door for us and I think
that's sort of like that's atalking point when we see a
black person quote unquote, likebreak the glass, like Kenya
(28:21):
Barris has broken the glass, forit's like really has have any
of the statistics around blackprojects getting green lighted
changed since Kenya Barrisshattered the glass ceiling.
No, I followed by saying hmm,this resonates so much.
Curious about what was said,question mark, as I reflected on
(28:41):
it with the guys, I wish wewere more aware of what we were
doing or giving way to in themoment.
And yet I still think we werewell aware.
Dot, dot, dot, that's graciousto say.
Maybe we bridge the gap, idk.
And then I did like thesideways smiley face which is
like a semi colon with threeslashes.
That's my thing, trademark.
(29:02):
And then she replies so I thinkthe way we saw it was that
y'all were hanging with thewhite girls a lot more.
So I feel like we would makecomments about that, because we
assumed it was because y'all andnot necessarily all of y'all
were hooking up with them andtherefore they got y'all's time.
As far as bridging the gap, Idon't think it was intentional,
but inevitably our circlesstarted merging a little bit.
Now I don't think we werewidely accepted in those spaces,
(29:24):
but we were able to buildrelationships with some of the
white kids, which gave us someaccess.
Okay, how does this relate toit in a period when people say
in a high pitched voice oh myGod, so exciting for IO.
This is so great.
Look at a young black womanbeing honored and seen and
(29:46):
celebrated on this big platformwhich, by the way, I have the
ratings guys.
It's not that big of a fuckingplatform.
It's prestigious like a CondéNast property, but Condé Nast is
shrinking.
It's not big, it's prestigious.
Don't get those things twisted.
The Super Bowl is big.
Snl is medium sized but it isprestigious.
(30:09):
When people say that they'resaying good for her, they're
also saying she's opening a doorfor other people like her and,
first of all, that's not herburden, that is not her axe to
bear and I hope she doesn't feelthe pressure of needing to do
that.
I hope she just goes up thereand bodies it and has a great
(30:33):
time and it's funny.
But it's not opening a door.
Just like us going to partywith the white kids to serve
their purposes, to capitalize onour coolness, our sexuality,
our blackness, whatever, likethat's serving them.
(30:53):
That does not open a fuckingthing for anybody else who looks
like us.
That is us being capitalized on.
You see what I'm saying.
Like her going and bodying SNLis gonna be hopefully great for
her star.
But like, this is media and Iknow how it works now.
(31:16):
Okay.
When I have a guest come inhere, that's good for me.
When I have a guest come and beon my.
When Keenan Thompson comes onQuidders with me and Julie Bowen
, that's good for me and Julie,a small media property.
Keenan doesn't need that look.
(31:36):
Io doesn't need this look.
Maybe she thinks she does.
A publicist no doubt told herthat she needs this look, but
this is something that SNL willprofit from and that doesn't do
shit for the rest of us.
Going and sitting at the whitekid table in the cafeteria does
not create new seats for otherblack kids at the white kid
cafeteria table.
That's it.
Okay, I've said enough.
(31:57):
Morgatron is allowing us athree minute backtrack into that
segment because both she andJosh had something, had a rebut
of sorts.
So, morgatron, you go aheadfirst.
What's your point?
What do you have to say?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
My point was I feel like as much as SNL might not be
as big anymore like the live atleast I feel like four
comedians still, especiallyyounger comedians it is still a
thing that is an honor to hostbecause so many amazing people
have done it before.
So I feel like if she got theopportunity, it wasn't her
(32:33):
publicity saying she needed it,I'm sure, like I mean she was on
Comedy Central at first, LikeI'm sure it was something she
was looking forward to and thatwould be cool for her to do,
especially because there haven'tbeen that many black women.
Hosts of SNL.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I agree.
I think the natural current ofa comedian's journey, a comics
journey and a writer's journeyand a New York journey like they
, would lead one to feel honoredand valued and chosen, to have
(33:09):
that platform, it has thishistorical relevance, et cetera,
et cetera.
I'm only trying to be and thisis what is strictly unallowed is
any form of nuance.
I am only trying to be preciseand nuanced about like where the
value is and who reaps thatvalue.
I think she reaps the value inprestige, honor If she does a
(33:33):
good job and just by being there.
Also, I think SNL reaps thevalue of her likeness in the
fact that I even know who'shosting SNL is because she's on
it.
I think that there will be someblack people who reap the value
of I say this about BarackObama sometimes which is like as
(33:55):
a politician, as allpoliticians his actions are.
Some of them are assailable.
Obviously they're notunassailable, but the figurehead
of seeing a black person have abig job.
Sometimes you, just as a humanbeing, you just need hope, you
just need a dream, and so forblack people who see her take
that stage, that's gonna be fuelfor them to go wherever they're
(34:20):
trying to go.
Sometimes you just need energy.
I just wanna be.
This part is the part thatmatters to me, which is we do a
lot of.
The thing of this is a pioneer.
This person is opening a door.
This person is and I don'twanna name names because I
always name the same names butthose doors be closed.
(34:42):
Wait a second, why is shehaving to open a door?
She's like how old is she?
28, 30?
What happened to the door thatwas opened from the person
before that?
And before that, and beforethat, the doors closed behind
people because what's on theother side of that door is a
(35:02):
bunch of white folks who wannahave their meal in private and
only want one person in a timeeating in there with them.
So I agree with you mostly,josh.
What was your rebut?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, it's not even so much a rebut, because I
pretty much I agree with youwholeheartedly, like 100%.
I only think I was sort ofthinking about was for these
institutions, whether it's SNL,whether it's the Oscars or any
other sort of what we'll call itwhite institution, what do you
think?
What do you think if theyactually, in the event that they
(35:36):
are actually trying to quote,unquote, be better?
What are your feelings aboutthat?
And whatever you're about tosay, I'm probably going to agree
with that too.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I mean, if there was some way that I could know that
to actually be so, maybe I couldget behind that like if the
intentions were pure, I mean.
By the way, I don't know thatanybody has made a signal or
communicated that this is a partof some sort of larger effort.
It really may just be a it'snever that simple but like there
(36:10):
may be something simple in itwhich is just like SNL is a
platform that needs growth,right now and it needs to have
its succession plan set in forthe departure of Lauren Michaels
.
It needs to appeal itself toyounger people.
Right now, the only way itreaches younger people is on
social media.
Here is a young black star, awoman who just won an Emmy at
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least one one, right?
I don't know how many.
Whatever they're doing, it'sfunny because they're a legacy
media company, they're a legacyplatform.
So they're doing some verybasic math which is like Emmy
winner, come over here and geton our stage with JLo, yeah, and
that math can work to an extent.
(37:03):
Quite honestly, like that mathis not gonna work forever for IO
.
Okay, taraji could tell herthat that math is not gonna work
.
Like, oh, I'll do the roundsand I'll show up on this red
carpet and I'll do this thingand this thing.
Like that's talent, like that'stalent.
(37:26):
That is the job that peoplebreak their next four to get in
Hollywood and then end up 50 andbroke.
So it's like I'm trying to pullapart.
Like what is this tangled webthat makes us just that?
(37:46):
Just makes us be like, oh, myGod, io on SNL?
Ah, like, okay, I feel you, butI don't feel you because you
guys just told me two secondsago.
It was Oscar, so white.
So what?
So which one really is it?
And on top of that, the superblack platforms.
(38:07):
You guys criticize those two,you know.
You say they're ignorant, yousay they're unsophisticated, you
say they don't look wellproduced.
You say you want the host tohave the exact same politics as
yours.
You want the host to like sookay.
(38:29):
So then what you're telling meand you're saying it to me
clearly, and then I move on moregonna promise is it's actually
not Oscar, so white.
It's actually not fuck SNL,it's man.
We want to sit at the whitetable so bad.
So suck off, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Can we talk about a white person now?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yes, good morning.
Yes, ariana Grande, she's inthe tweets for home, wrecking
allegedly.
And Morgan, can you give me thehigh level beats of what's
happened here?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So basically, her and her Wicked co-star, ethan
Slater, became public that theywere dating and received
backlash because he like justgot divorced and people believe
that they both had affairs ontheir spouses at the time and
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that she broke up his marriagewith his high school sweetheart
Ooh, they also just had a baby,like a year ago, I think.
So, yeah, people were draggingher and then she released her
new song, yes, and that peoplethen like felt like was a middle
finger to the haters, because aline on it says, quote why do
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you care who's dick I ride?
And people thought that was herresponding to the public.
I missed that line honestly,it's during like the quieter
part where she's like thathushed voice.
Yeah, oh, okay.
I didn't mean to hear that.
So yeah, but then her fansresponded saying not true, ethan
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has been estranged from hiswife, or like they weren't
together before.
Him and Ariana got together andyeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So Morgan sent me the song.
I listened to it.
I replied okay, that was fine,you thought that was funny.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I didn't know what I expected you to say.
I didn't expect you to love it,but it was just.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's definitely as Ariana Grande's music is like.
It ranges, I think, from likedistinctly listenable to quite
good in a moment it spikes intoquite good she's got bangers.
Good, ariana Grande.
So all right, you start here.
Josh, have you ever datedsomeone who was in a
relationship?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
No, actually scratch that.
Yes, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, you actually told us the whole story, yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I forgot.
I actually forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You told us the whole story on the record.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Um.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Morgan, I actually could like cut back to video
footage with a date aboutsomebody.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yes, yes, you told us the whole story.
I didn't.
I actually wasn't thinking ofthat when I asked the question,
but then yeah, it's because inmy head I didn't believe they
were together.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
That's why Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Morgan, have you ever dated someone in a relationship
?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
No, not.
Okay, wait, one person theywere in like a situation ship, I
guess and the other person Iwas unaware until later on.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
So then that's, a yes right?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes, but like not knowingly Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I love how you both modified the question for a
denied building.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh, because I feel like that's important.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Okay, okay it is.
So I had a years ago this wasprobably like eight or nine
years ago I used to be quitecavalier, not eight or nine
years ago, for most of my lifemy first girlfriend had a
boyfriend.
When I met her and when westarted talking and that was,
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you know, a formative experienceand I was like, oh, this is
something Like you can, you can,you can what's the word?
Enchant someone who is in arelationship and in some ways I
think people in relationshipscan be uniquely enchantable,
because or not uniquely, butlike distinctly enchantable
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because oftentimes relationshipsform a pattern, like they can
form into something that likejust doesn't have the same spark
or danger of a new person.
(42:58):
Like you can't recreate the.
You can have magic with yourpartner for as long as you guys
can create that magic, but youcan't create, you cannot
recreate the magic of a newsomething, a new person in your
life, a new whoa, like thatfirst spark of whatever that you
have with a new person.
That's its own thing, it's adifferent drug, you know what I
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mean.
Like you can get drunk onwhiskey, but like tequila is
something entirely different.
They're different.
I used to think it was reallyinteresting and almost like an
added level of excitement, tosee what was up with the girls
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who were in relationships, liketo really see what was what with
them, to kind of like to testit, like to see, like to see if,
like all that bullshit peoplebe talking about when they're in
relationships and you knowthey'd be lying.
To see, like, if all that stuffabout like how I mean, y'all
(44:04):
know what people inrelationships would be saying
they'd be lying, to just see ifit was real.
I used to think it wasinteresting to test it.
Homewrecking is all around us.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
What a phrase.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You can't Morgan, you literally have that power.
You can do that.
Homewrecking is all the fuckaround us.
Maybe we should try that shirtout.
Like oftentimes, I'm now in anexploration of love and romance
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for this new project, and so Iam learning about couples, a lot
about them, and one thing Ihave seen as pattern not among
all of them, but among many ofthem is like most people are
either in or just coming out ofa relationship all the time,
like whether it's they're datingsomeone, whether they are in a
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serious relationship, likepeople are in and out of these
little you know these things allthe time, and so and people who
are used to being inrelationships and want to be in
relationships do not stay singlefor very long, and so when
they're encountered by somebodyelse who also wants to be in a
relationship, like they seemavailable to that and then like
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we're simple, we're so simple.
Um, I talked to my sister aboutthis yesterday.
I see the reaction to ArianaGrande home record.
I felt this also about GabrielaUnion.
I felt this about Alicia Keys.
I just saw that Jeff Bezos ismarried to someone who he
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cheated on his wife with, whoalso cheated on her husband with
Jeff Bezos.
Like home wrecking is all aroundus.
It's like water and it lookslike a lot of the couples that
exist are a result of if wereally went back and looked with
a magnifying glass, the waythat we can look at Ariana
Grande's life the result of someform.
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Somebody feels home, wrecked inall of it.
Somebody does.
If you got a partner, they popup in a new relationship shortly
after you guys split up.
You're gonna have, you're gonnabe curious, you're gonna have
thoughts about it, you're gonnawonder, oh, was there already
something going on there beforethis was over?
And of course you can neverreally know, but, like, maybe
(46:40):
you can if they tell you.
But that's what that is.
What seems to be here is thatAriana Grande saw a guy she
liked, he saw her and they homewrecked each other's homes
together, basically, and nowthey have their own thing or
whatever.
I used to have this argumentwith a friend eight or nine
(47:00):
years ago.
That's where I started.
He was in a relationship, I wassingle and he was in a very
serious relationship withsomeone he did not end up with.
They lived together all that,and I was trying to get him to
explain to me what is the like,what is the immorality of the
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third party in pursuing someonewho's in a relationship.
Can someone explain it to me ifyou believe that that exists?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I mean, I feel like it feels a little I don't wanna
say like malicious, but that'snot the right word but I feel
like I don't know.
I feel like as a society thereare like societal rules that
people abide by, and one ofwhich is if, like two people are
(47:54):
exclusive and dating and youactively try, it's like poaching
, like job poaching.
That's not really a thingpeople like.
So I guess the same goes forrelationships.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
That sounds right.
Well, I hear.
Let's just.
Let's take a look at it.
So, okay, when I worked atGoogle, there used to be these
big power struggles betweenGoogle, apple and I forgot who
Microsoft, one of them, and itwas about poaching, and there
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were lawsuits filed against allthree of those companies for
having a cartel that suppressedour wages by having these little
under the table, agreementsthat we will not poach from each
other, that, like, the laborpays when the management won't
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poach from each other.
Like, if let this be a messageto you If I work with your
production company, if I workwith your publication, if I work
with your studio, if I workwith another creator and you
have someone fire that works foryou and they wanna fuck with me
, I will poach them Every 100times out of 100, I will do my
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best Because, like, the personwho should be choosing what's
the best circumstance forthemselves is the person, not
the employer, not management.
So, like, what's wrong withpoaching?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Okay, I guess the job example isn't good.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Well, now let's apply it to relationship.
If I meet Ariana Grande, try tothink of the right example.
If I meet Ariana Grande out, Itold my sisters yesterday if I
meet, and my sister was like mysister had so much side-eye for
this point of view.
I was like you know whathappened when I looked at Ariana
and I thought like, oh, that'slike somebody I would probably
date.
She was like, do you meansomeone like Ariana Grande, like
(49:57):
a?
Like a Latino performing whitegirl from Florida?
And I was like, well, when youfucking break it down with that
like that's not fun.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
I was like, but like.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
I don't know, just like someone like this and she
was like she's infantile or someshit like that.
But let me make the point.
The point is, if I met ArianaGrande, if she came in this
studio and did an interview, orif I saw her at, where the fuck
would I see Ariana Grande?
Dumbbell House, probably notthere.
I feel so weird there At aparty, at someone's house.
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You know what I mean Hangingout, whatever.
I don't know.
These things are weird.
I don't know the people that Iend up meeting are.
So I like didn't ever thinksome of these people I didn't
even know some of these peopleexisted and yet somehow I have
still not been on the breakfastclub.
Like, I can meet Julie Bowen,but I don't go on the breakfast
club.
I don't get it.
But and I know she's with thisguy, ethan Slater I'm supposed
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to like, if I think ArianaGrande might like me and might
want to spend time hanging outwith me, I'm supposed to like
not try to do that out of thesanctity of, you said, of
society.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay, whatever, I say it back, I think you like shoot
your shot, do whatever you gotto do.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
No, I mean, I want to know what you really mean,
though.
Like, because it's never, it'slike wait.
So we're all supposed to beprotecting the sanctity of each
other's relationships.
Like I got to do that too.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
That doesn't sound right either.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
But what do you think , Josh?
Speaker 4 (51:28):
I just think it depends on who's initiating the
interest.
That's really what I think itcomes down to.
I mean, ultimately, like Idon't really feel like the
immorality of it is.
You know that's up to herdebate.
I don't know, I don't reallyfeel like they even that's all
that interesting to debate, likethe immorality of it.
To me it's just like, but likewho you might lay fault at, it's
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just like whoever's trying,whoever's, whoever's trying like
and whoever tries first, likethat's kind of where I'm at with
it.
Like, look, if she was tryingwhat's it called, the person in
the relationship was, you know,sort of putting the feelers out
there, showing the interest andsort of seeing where, like,
because you know it kind of goesboth ways.
You know what I'm saying.
Like you know nine times out of10, I feel like, unless you
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know, there are people that arejust genuinely.
You meet people inrelationships that are just sort
of flirty people in general,but you know they don't mean
anything by it.
Those people, that's one thing.
But then there's those peopleyou know, like you know you
probably met those.
We've all met those people.
You know they're in arelationship and they're testing
you to see what's it called tosee if you are, like you know,
have whatever the gumption toyou know to try to shoot your
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shot in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
That's real.
Yeah, that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Like that's a very real thing and I think at the
end of the day, I'm like I putthe what's it called, I put the
immorality at both people's feet.
But if you both end up likingeach other and you both end up
together and it ends up being,like you know, a fruitful
relationship, I don't really seea problem with it.
The only thing is like I onlyhave an immorality I see with it
is if you are like a personthat is notorious for just
(53:04):
constantly being like, you know,fuck all these single people
out here, I'm just going to goafter people in relationships.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
And there are people like that too, Okay okay.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
So you're saying if the ambitions are impure, then
that's bad right.
You're saying, if you do it forOkay, ooh, ooh, thank you,
morgan, here you go.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
If the goal is to just be like, ooh, I can take
this person that's out of that'sin a relationship and make them
mine versus I have a genuineinterest in this person.
Maybe that's where the line is,I guess I don't know.
You talk, it's your show.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
I don't know what to do.
Okay, I think that, yes, I'veasked the questions.
Now my thoughts are like youknow.
I was listening to the JoeBudden podcast and they were
batting this around and MelissaFord speaks up and says she says
(54:07):
how do you steal somebody'shusband?
Like how do you steal somebodywho doesn't want to be stole?
And that's kind of the onlything that I heard from the
whole discussion.
I don't remember one otherpoint that was made.
That was the only thing, becauseit said the words that I think
are what I have felt the wholetime, which is like I feel sort
of the responsibility to honorand in some ways protect the
(54:33):
relationships of people that Icare about, such that they're
healthy.
And, as far as I can tell, likeI'm gonna tell the truth.
My sister knows what I justsaid is like half true, mostly
when it comes to other people'srelationships.
Like if people start talking tome about their relationships, I
mostly be like giving themevery signal that like I'm on
(54:55):
Pluto right now, like don't evenI have nothing to say, I have
no way in, I have like nothingto offer here, like I stay out
of it, because what happens isespecially people with kids.
They feed you all this, andthis has happened to me.
They feed you all this shitabout how their relationship is
all fucked up.
You then become a receptacle ofhow their relationship is all
(55:15):
fucked up.
I wouldn't do this to you,morgan, though, because I am
here for you, morgan.
I mean that, but most of youguys are not.
Most of you guys are not.
Don't have the honor of Morgan,which is to say you feed
someone all this informationabout how your relationship's
all fucked up.
You're so mad.
Your partner's this and thatand the third, and they
undermine you and they don'trespect you, and they, you know,
(55:36):
blah, blah, blah.
You're all there for them.
You take it all in.
You almost start to build up aresentment for their partner
because of the things thatthey've been telling you, and
then you know two shakes of alamb's tail and you're right
back in love, and now I am thereflection of all the mean
(55:57):
things that you told me aboutyour partner, and so now our
relationship is fucked upbecause you see me as the person
who knows where the bodies areburied in your relationship.
I've been through that.
That sucks.
I don't wanna do that.
Why did I even bring that up,because here's what I really
feel.
What I really feel is, likepeople in relationships, your
relationship is yourresponsibility.
It is the third party, whetherthat is a single person, a
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person in their own relationship, a person in a polyamorous
relationship, whoever like thosepeople can and will.
We know now, home wrecking isall around us.
They will shoot their shot asmuch as they feel like it and as
much as you leave an openingfor shots to be shot.
So I really don't feel now achild will suffer for this.
(56:47):
A child will suffer for this.
Why are you laughing, morgan?
You're laughing.
Okay, a child will suffer forthis, and that's bad.
But that child's daddy wasalready looking for an exit ramp
and it found an exit ramp inthe form of Ariana Grande, and
that is like finding an exitramp to Chick-fil-A.
(57:09):
You, if you're looking for italready, if you're hungry and
it's not Sunday, you're going totake that ramp.
So that's what he did.
All right, on the subject ofhome wrecking, doc Rivers.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
That's a great second one that was a good transition.
That was great.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Okay, the Bucks.
You know what's great when itcomes to this NBA shit.
I'm going to say this.
It's going to irritate myfriends.
I play this game.
Two guys, who I know for a fact, listen to this show.
The other two black guys inthis league I'm in a league with
(57:53):
like six dudes, actually,there's no three other guys
listen to this show.
One of them is a Shiel who youguys met.
One of them is Leon, who you'veheard call in.
One of them is Justin, whoyou've probably heard me
reference.
We talk about sports all thetime, we debate sports all the
time, et cetera, et cetera, etcetera.
And we're in this league where,at the beginning of the year,
you each choose five or sixteams, depending on how many
(58:16):
people in the league.
It's like a draft andthroughout the year, you get
points for their wins.
You can bet on certain games toget extra points, et cetera,
and I win pretty much everysingle year.
This is a fact.
This is a fact.
Okay, I'm not good ateverything.
I'm good at that and I lovethat, because we can debate
(58:40):
about LeBron and Giannis andSteph Curry and Kevin Durant,
but then in a day, there's ascoreboard, just like Evan who
won back-to-back, which isimpossible, and we still owe him
tickets to a game two games now.
Evan won the Tower of Anarchytwice.
We had the inaugural season ofthe Tower of Anarchy and the
(59:02):
subsequent season of the Towerof Anarchy and he won twice.
And it's amazing that he wontwice because it's really hard
to bet on basketball or sportsin general, because the odds are
made so well by computers thathave so much more data than the
rest of us, which is why I thinkmy friends who bet on sports
every single day are masochists.
But it's awesome when I'm right.
(59:24):
It's so great when I'm rightabout the NBA.
And here's something that I amright about and I will continue
to be right about, and everysingle time there is a new node
that supports my rightness.
It's going to be irritating toa smaller group of my friends.
I'm right about the MilwaukeeBucks.
The Milwaukee Bucks destroyedtheir identity when they buy
(59:48):
Yonis' own wishes and in somecases I mean in some ways people
would say they had to do this.
They had to acquiesce to Yonis', demands to resign him.
But they let Drew Holiday go,they traded him.
He is back to haunt them like awraith, like a phantom, like a
ghost on the Boston Celtics, theteam that I believe will win
(01:00:08):
the championship and they did soto bring in Damien Lillard.
Who the Boston Celtics are like, I'm sorry.
The Milwaukee Bucks are like abattering rim.
That's their identity.
They have Yonis and BrookeLopez manning the paint
protecting the rim, who are justhuge trees.
(01:00:29):
They are, in their own ways,uniquely athletic for their
sizes, including Brooke Lopez.
You guys, it's crazy thatBrooke Lopez can hit, you know,
253s in a season and can also beone of the top shop blockers in
the league.
Like that's an athlete, y'all.
Yonis is maybe the best athletein the NBA of all time ever.
(01:00:51):
It's like him.
Lebron, Pete LeBron is in there, pete Dwight Howard is in there
, but it really might be Yonis.
And then, at the point of attack, they had a roaming,
destructive free safety in DrewHoliday, who is especially at
his prime, but even still pasthis prime, like as devastating
(01:01:13):
as a point guard defender as youcan have at the point of attack
on your defense.
And they traded, they made,they did that dumbass shit.
They got all lubed up for thesexy thing which is Damien
Lillard's game, winning shotsthat he makes in rounds that are
irrelevant of the playoffs andsometimes in the regular season,
(01:01:36):
and they traded away theirwhole fricking identity for
Damien Lillard.
And now a black will pay, namedAdrian Griffin.
Because, of course, because, ofcourse, because the GM fucked
(01:01:56):
up the roster.
The owner certainly doesn't pay.
The owner doesn't pay.
That's not a thing that happens, even when terrible things
happen in your arena and aroundyour owner.
The owner doesn't pay.
A black man will pay.
A black person, a black, adrianGriffin.
He's out.
He's gone After interviewing 14times for the job.
By the way, if you have tointerview 14 times for a job,
(01:02:19):
that's a bad job.
Don't take that job.
They don't want you, they'dlike.
If you had to go on 14 dateswith someone before they were
willing to like say, like, okay,great, like we're dating,
that's bad guys.
That's too many dates.
That's too much.
That's too many interviews.
Adrian Griffin is out andAriana Grande is in Doc Rivers.
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Doc Rivers is.
He is like a siren for whitebillionaires.
He has them in his tentacles ina way that I have.
He needs his brain needs to bestudied.
I have known no other black manthan Doc Rivers to be able to
(01:03:06):
get so many high profileopportunities from white
billionaires.
It is amazing to me he shouldbe working as like a partner at
a hedge fund.
He should be raising millionsand millions of dollars to be
invested because of how muchwhite billionaires love Doc
Rivers.
And here's here.
(01:03:29):
For those who don't are notfamiliar with Doc Rivers, here's
some things to know about him.
He's from Chicago, played inthe NBA, was a point guard,
shooting guard in the league.
Good, but not great.
Like at what level?
Like a a starter.
A starter, but not a star.
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He has a son named Austin Rivers, who played in the NBA for
probably eight, nine, ten years,went to Duke, was one of the
highest.
How did recruits coming out ofhigh school, out of Florida
where they lived Doc Rivers usedto coach the Orlando Magic.
He used to coach the BostonCeltics coached him to a
championship.
He used to coach the LosAngeles Clippers.
He sort of made himself.
Doc Rivers is all things Okay,he's a champion as a coach.
(01:04:15):
The NBA almost tried to makehim like a civil rights figure
when they were getting DonaldSterling out the paint when he
said big magic Johnson, what'she ever done?
He's got AIDS.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
One of the greatest clips of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Y'all should check that out.
Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
One of the greatest clips of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
When they were getting Doc Rivers out the I
mean Donald Sterling out thepaint as the Clippers owner.
Doc Rivers was kind of likearound that as the head of that
Doc Rivers house was burned downbecause he is married to a
white woman in Florida where hewas the coach of the Orlando
Magic.
His house the childhood home ofAustin Rivers Please make sure
(01:04:56):
I'm right on the reporting thisbut was burned down.
He coached the Ubuntu Celticsto a championship.
He coached the failure JoellenBede, james Hard and Sixers to
the second round, which is wherethey always look, where Joellen
Bede always loses.
He is has he?
Have I missed a stop for him?
He's coached.
He is now moving on to anothergreat job.
(01:05:18):
He is coached.
I'll just off the top of thehead.
This is going to make it now.
Yannis, encin, ticumbo, damienLidlard, kevin Garnett, regan
Rondo, paul Pierce, ray Allen,chris Paul, blake Griffin.
Who am I forgetting?
I'm missing?
Oh, dwight Howard, no, no, no,t-mac, not Dwight Howard.
Joellen Bede, tyrese, maxie,james Harden, ben Simmons.
(01:05:42):
He has coached like 15 All-Starto all NBA level players and
now he's going to go coachYannis, and Yannis has some
blood on his hands for this.
Like Yannis, has been vocalabout the disarray of the team,
et cetera, et cetera.
Like Adrian Griffin got firedafter 43 games, okay, doc Rivers
(01:06:02):
is now going to be on payrollas the new coach.
Adrian Griffin is still on thepayroll through his contract.
Their previous coach what'sthat guy's name?
Bud Bud Budenholzer, also stillon the contract.
They're going to be payingthree coaches to have Doc Rivers
come in.
But this is the most importantpart.
Doc Rivers is a white manwhisperer in a way that I want
(01:06:27):
to understand.
He was working on the ringer asone of the voices on the ringer
for a few months just now withBill Simmons.
Bill Simmons used to skewer DocRivers when he was the coach of
the Boston Celtics.
He brings Doc in as like avoice to come on on basketball
every week with Bill and go likehead-to-head kind of thing, and
their chemistry was lovely.
(01:06:48):
It was like it was fuckingbuoyant, it was beautiful, it
was like it was so easy and I'mjust like, wow, doc Rivers, doc
Rivers, this is a special personand I don't know where to
assign, how he's been able topull this off.
But there is something aboutDoc Rivers that attracts the
(01:07:14):
trust and love of really, really, really, really, really wealthy
white men, and I'm strugglingto think of another black person
who had it's not like MikeTomlin Different.
Mike Tomlin's had one dope joband he has overperformed to keep
that job as the head coach ofthe Steelers.
(01:07:34):
Like I'm trying to think of whois the other guy or Gal who has
this same siren song for thewhite billionaire?
And I can't.
I can't think of the person.
The Milwaukee Bucks are going tofail.
A victory for the Bucks thisyear is a championship because
they have Yannis and DameLillard and like it's going to
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fail.
Doc Rivers is not the coachthat gets you over the hump.
He's not the guy that gets youover the hump if you have a
broken structure, which is whatthey do.
The problem is they swapped inthe sexy thing that had you
guys' eyes like all lighting upbecause it's Dame Lillard.
Oh my God, dame Lillard.
Like Dame Lillard is not afixture of winning in the NBA.
That's broken.
(01:08:16):
Like it's not going to workuntil they get somebody else
back on the perimeter who hasthat kind of like, has that kind
of impact on basketball.
So so I was right and I'm goingto continue to be right and I
love it.
All right, we're going to doquestions, because some of these
questions have been pretty good.
I'm learning some interestingstuff.
(01:08:36):
I am starting this weeksomething that I hope will
actually next week, somethingthat I hope will grow into a
larger like I don't knowrecurring program.
Okay, I'll tell you guys, mybig, my big vision for this
thing is like one day I wouldlove to have some sort of summit
(01:08:57):
or retreat that is like a threeday experience where a bunch of
people who are serious aboutmoving forward their creative
projects come to a place.
What's been in mind for me issomewhere like somewhere like
Joshua tree, like a desert, areally really, really really
(01:09:19):
nice Airbnb or like housingvenue, and that we spend those
three days.
And I mean like serious people,like people who, people who are
like, who want to either get outof their nine to five by way of
their creative vision, or whoalready have taken that jump and
(01:09:41):
are like feel some level ofurgency about actually making
the thing happen, not people whoare kind of like I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know, Idon't know, and and I think it's
actually going to be easy toscreen for that.
I think you just make it costprohibitive for anybody who's
going to be like I don't know, Idon't know, I don't know.
And then you find ways to makethe cost manageable for someone
(01:10:05):
who can't afford that but isserious, by screening in a
different way.
We'll figure it out, but thesteps leading up to that, I'm
realizing, are I have started adialogue on Instagram with my
followers, who I'm learning are,many of whom are people who
Really want to step out of theirlife and into something that
(01:10:27):
they care more about and feelenthusiastic about, like feel
electric about, and they justdon't know how to get from a to
be on that, exactly like how toget the ball rolling.
But they are serious, I cantell, because, like, they're
willing to pay to talk about it,basically.
(01:10:47):
So One thing that has come upthat's been recurring.
I'm gonna read two questions andyou'll get the gist.
The question was what do youwant this year?
Just open ended, I just saidwhat do you want this year?
And here's one answer to figureout what to do with my life
(01:11:09):
after 10 years off of work,after having two kids.
Here's another one finish mybook, but I'll settle for
writing a page a day.
Join the process.
And I started conversations withthese people in DMs and just to
get a sense of what's going onwith them, what's blocking them,
et cetera.
And one thing that's beencoming up is like I spent too
much time away from my creativeproject.
(01:11:32):
I spent too much time away alsofrom just the environment that
supports these projects.
For instance, if I hadn't spentany time in podcasting the last
five years and now, after 10years, instead, let's say,
working at Google was like oh, Iwanna start a podcast, excuse
me, I would be able to hacktogether some of how to make it,
(01:11:57):
but there's all these littlethings, and then there's all
these almost spiritual thingsthat have to be sorted out to
actually clear the runway foryou to do what you're trying to
do.
The same is true forscreenwriting, the same is true
for production, the same is truefor writing a book.
It's like, conceptually, thesethings are simple, and they are
(01:12:17):
simple once you have the rightinformation to make that
launchpad.
So what I see from these peoplespecifically is like one person
even shared her age with me andshe feels like this is so far
gone for me.
I actually I don't wanna put afeeling on her, but what I'm
(01:12:39):
inferring from her sharing herage was like that might be a
block to me getting traction inthis.
That might stop some.
Maybe that makes me not theright person for this path or
whatever.
And I think truly, I reallytruly believe this.
I think the person who has theconfines of a real life, with
(01:13:05):
real I don't wanna say burdens,but responsibilities, like kids,
a mortgage the person who hasthe structure of a life that
says you don't get to spend 10hours a day every day on this,
to me is perfect because youwill assign yourself in a lot of
(01:13:29):
amount of time every day andthat small, narrow confine of
space that you have to walkthrough it will restrict you, if
you like.
If you, if you, will bethoughtful about your approach,
it will stop you from doing allthis dumb shit that I think man
(01:13:50):
have.
I spent a lot of time doing dumbshit over the last seven years
because I've had no job.
Like man have I spent a lot oftime chasing headlines and
relationships that I didn't needto.
Actually, I could have beendoing this all along.
I could have.
If I had started doing thisseven years ago, imagine where
this would have been.
But you have the benefit of Iwas chasing other things.
(01:14:14):
I was chasing social status.
I was chasing self-esteem,prestige, hollywood street cred.
Boy, did I not need any of thatshit.
So I think you, with the lifethat you have, if you have a
wifi connection, if you have abasic understanding of social
(01:14:35):
media, that I or somebody elsecan help you like I am.
So not a social media whiz, butI have learned enough to figure
out how to like do the samerepeatable steps over and over
and over again just to geteyeballs on my stuff.
Like I think you are wellsuited.
I think you're better suited,probably, than you know that you
(01:14:55):
are Person who has kids.
Person who's in their 50s,person who has a nine to five
job.
Like person who now the otherquestion that comes up that I've
been or not.
It's not a question, it's aresponse which is people saying
I want to spend my life doingsomething I care about going
like that's what they're saying.
Like ah, I'm so tired of doingthis dumb shit.
I wanna do something I love.
(01:15:16):
My challenge to that is likecan you green light yourself
first by like making thesmallest polished version of the
thing that you want to spendyour life doing?
If you wanna be a TV writer,like can you finish your first
(01:15:38):
screenplay?
Or, even better, honestly, canyou make your first digital
short Two minutes, two minutes,and then I can show you how to
run a digital campaign on it toget views on it.
If you can make one littlething explode, like if you can
get a hundred thousand views onone thing, you can leverage that
(01:15:59):
into so much more that you want, like it's.
The question is just the thingto know is that mysterious
person who's going to greenlight?
You is yourself.
Like that other person is notout.
Spike Lee couldn't do it.
Like Spike Lee couldn't get myshow on TV, morgan Freeman
(01:16:23):
couldn't get my show on TV.
Like that person is not outthere.
It's you.
You like, once you show they'reall looking for the person who
can self-start themselves.
Enough, these studios and shit.
They wanna pour fuel on a firethat's already burning.
So you just gotta like that'sall they're gonna do.
I promise you, I promise you,especially the agencies, I
(01:16:47):
promise you they are not goingto give you a chance to get a
chance to get a chance to get achance to get a chance to get a
chance to get a chance to get achance to get a chance to get
your not going to get your flameablaze.
You gotta do that and you cando that from your home living
room.
You can do that, for, if youhave $100 to spend a month on
(01:17:13):
promoting your own stuff, if youcan take $100 out of your Uber
Eats budget a month and put itinto promotion for your own
stuff online.
So don't rule yourself out.
There is, the industry is indisarray.
There is no greenlighter rightnow.
If the greenlight is whoeverthe fuck the audience, whoever
the consumer says is thegreenlight, that's the
(01:17:34):
greenlight right now.
So just don't rule yourself outright now.
Great speech, okay, live showFebruary 8th, washington DC at
Shanklin Hall.
Go to Shanklinhallcom or go tothe link in my bio Listen.
Okay, I have learned something.
(01:17:57):
I've learned this from a salesexpert who cut his teeth in
sales, really in training andteaching people how to sell at
Google, linkedin, what's that?
One that starts with an?
I Indeed no Good one, though Ican't remember.
I can't remember.
Hi Kenzie, this is a highperforming, I would say a highly
(01:18:22):
a person who understands salesokay Deeply, in a real way, not
like salesy sales, not like thatsilly shit on movies, like
actual sales.
He said Chai, you are good atselling.
He says it all the time.
He says you are really good.
Salesman Says that Sell things,sell big things, sell little
things.
Selling is about honesty.
So I am about to sell you allthese tickets for this live show
(01:18:43):
.
Okay, we started marketingthese tickets two weeks ago.
There's two weeks until theshow.
Most people wait until the weekof something before they buy
their tickets.
We have sold out half of thevenue, which is to say, in half
of the time that we will havespent selling these tickets,
we've already sold half thevenue, which means the tickets
(01:19:03):
will sell out.
When you text me because thetickets are sold out, set this
before.
I'm going to repeat it.
At best I will ignore you.
At worst the text will turngreen because you have texted
the wrong number.
Okay, when you texted thenumber, you meant the text, but
it's not my number anymore.
(01:19:28):
So I'm going to add one morething, and it's honest.
I love it.
I love telling the thing.
I love saying the truth.
It's so, fire.
This is the truth.
If I know you live in DC andyou're not there, you can tell.
(01:19:48):
I'm the kind of person who willremember that.
Right, does that seem obvious?
I'm the nigga who will see youagain and you will go to DapMe
and you will feel in my Dap thatI remembered that you weren't
there.
I'm not saying that to scarepeople into going, because I'm
not scary, but what I mean is Iwill notice because and this is
(01:20:13):
the other thing, and this I lovethis form of honesty you guys
know these shows are going toget bigger and this is show
number one.
You know that by show number 10,this is going to be a rock
house event.
Okay, you guys know that thisis show number one.
The people who come to shownumber 10, not going to notice
(01:20:34):
who's there, it's going to betoo many people.
This is show number one.
Okay, the pictures, all that,these pictures will live.
It'll be a picture of me inthis venue with you guys, and I
will remember that, because atshow number 10, we might not
even get to Dap because I don'tknow how many people are going
to be there.
I know exactly how many peoplewill be there for this one.
So go buy your tickets.
If you procrastinate, it'sstill going to be all love, but
(01:20:56):
it'll be a different kind oflove.
It'll be like the love I havefor my colleagues in Hollywood.
Okay, this is nothing but airkey.
Goodbye.
Bye, bye.
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