Chad has rebounded from his man cold and delves into Jay Z's Grammy speech, knowing when to leave the party, Killer Mike's arrest, his great hope for Kanye West's next stunt, Klay Thompson and Acceptance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alright, welcome to Nothing by Anarchy.
I'm back on my feet and I'm soglad Morgan just made fun of me
before we started the showbecause I was so pathetic.
Last week, on Thursday, when Iwas here, we put out, morgan
(00:24):
sent me a clip of myself beingsick last week and I was so sick
and delirious.
It was supposed to go on mystories and I put it out as a
real with no Anarchy branding onit, because I was just so sick
and disgust-o.
I could feel.
I felt while I was out lastweek I could just, I could feel
(00:46):
fuck niggas celebratingeverywhere because I was down
and I'm back and the live showis Thursday and I'm so excited
Sub-side, fuck niggas.
Alright, I'm back.
Okay, I'm at 98%.
I was still coughing up phlegmlast night.
(01:07):
Alright, this is what you listento the show for.
Okay, I'm trying to find.
Oh, I know where it is.
I know where it is.
I know where it is.
Let's just let's come on.
You guys know what we're hereto talk about today, right,
morgan?
You knew, I knew.
How did you know Morgan?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Because anytime someone says anything against
the thing that they're at, Ifeel like you appreciate it or
you're interested Notnecessarily appreciate, but
you're intrigued.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let me describe what I saw.
That's well said, morgan.
I am indeed intrigued.
Oh, before I do that, a note.
Okay, oh, josh, I don't know ifI told you this, but Direct
Deposit was nominated for-.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, I just found out.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
How'd you see that?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
No, Morgan told me when she came through.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, what was it nominated for?
Best Finance Podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh, I don't know.
I didn't know exactly what thenomination was for Something
like that, but I was hype.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Direct Deposit.
I'm hype too.
Direct Deposit, which came outin October of 2022, is now
nominated for an iHeart PodcastAward at South by Southwest for
Best.
I believe it's like BestPersonal Finance Podcast or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's the one Best Business and Finance Podcast
Best.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Business and Finance Podcast.
It's the one they list rightunder the Best Podcast nominees.
All the big best podcastnominees were shows like Smart
List and shit like that.
They have giant budgets behindthem and we're going to talk
about budgets we're going to getto that in a second.
But I am happy I am seeingsomething happen in front of me
and what's happening is I amseeing the what would you call
(02:39):
this?
I guess the legacy effect, thelike, the compounding effect of
media over time.
So I'm sitting down last nightto do the copyright I was
supposed to talk about Jay-Z,but it's fine I was sitting down
last night to do like a reviewof the copy edits on my book.
(03:00):
It's like you go through thewhole book is done.
It's like 230 pages.
You go through it and you'reliterally just like they're
showing you every place wherethey deleted a space or added an
apostrophe or changed thenumber 13th to the word 13th and
you're just you have toliterally review every single
one and just make sure you'regood with everything everything
that's in your precious book.
(03:21):
But at the top of that thing,the publisher Simon and
Schuster's the publisher for methey you know they format it in
a way that I wouldn't know howto format it because it's like
you know.
You look at the front of thebook and it has all that
gobbledygook that we barely everlook at that says like
published in these countries bythis person and printed here,
(03:42):
and like yada, yada, yada, butat the but they put before my
title page.
There's something there thatsays um, this is the-.
This is the second book by ChadSanders.
His first book is Black Magic.
You know yada, yada, yada, thesubtitle.
And I felt I didn't expect tofeel this because I'm getting
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excited about the book.
I spent the last two yearswriting the book and that is
difficult.
Now the book is done like thethoughts and the feelings are in
the book, and what happens nextis basically a year of
decisions to be made about howit looks, finalizing the title,
(04:30):
filing the rights in othercountries, um, optioning the
rights for film productions ifthere's somebody wants to try to
buy it, making decisions aboutlike, press and marketing.
And I'm excited because I havededicated myself to building my
own audience over this next yearso that when Simon and Schuster
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publishes it out to theiraudience, I can also bring my
audience to it and that therewill be a combining effect.
So I'm excited about rollingthis thing out over the course
of a year, but I didn't expectto feel excited about that first
page that says this is Chad'ssecond book and his first book
is this other book.
Because now someone who becomesaware of this book can go and
(05:15):
listen sorry, go and re orlisten to go and read my first
book, and now we know each othera little bit better, you and I,
whoever's reading.
So when I found out a coupleweeks ago because Morgan calls
me and says hey, this guyemailed and said South by
Southwest is recognizing DirectDeposit as one of its nominees.
Direct Deposit is my audibleshow that came out in October
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2022.
That's like a long time ago,kind of my first response to
Morgan was like, are you sureit's real?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, you're like, did you verify?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I was like is this a spam?
Like, is this?
Because it doesn't in my head.
I'm like that's curious foryour thing to get recognized
over a year after it came out.
But I'm remembering Chanel hitme up recently, right, they say,
hey, chanel, it's Chanel like,not Chanel.
Like my friend from college,like Chanel that makes beauty
(06:10):
stuff right.
Or bags, bags, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh, they don't make any problems, or I mean, I guess
they do too.
I guess they, whatever, we makeeverything.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Chanel we love you guys, whatever no, we don't know
you, but it's fine.
I'm like the point is we havesuch a they didn't have to speak
to them speak and I think allthese things are happening
there's an environmental effecthere.
We're building an environmentof like I just did my first
(06:39):
coaching session with somebodywho listens to this show.
Like just I just did a creativecoaching session with somebody
last week who listens to thisshow, who listened to yearbook,
who went back and like it'shappening, it's happening.
And now what I realize is Igotta go ask people for money to
make it happen faster.
(07:00):
Like my piggy bank, I can keepmaking it happen slowly in $40,
$50 a day over the next howevermany years, but like it could
happen faster.
And so I'm gonna start askingpeople for like big chunks of
money to pour gasoline on theflame right now, because now I
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see it, now I feel comfortableasking, because for the last
seven years I've just beentrying to figure out like how
does media make money?
And I never really, I neverreally totally knew.
All I knew was I write mylittle script and I go put it in
this box and then HBO gives memoney, you know, but I didn't
know how they went and monetizedmy creativity and the next
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person and the next persons.
But I get it now.
So I'm excited, I'm excited.
I'm also excited because I'mback on my feet.
I was sick last week.
It was fucking depressing.
Sucks to be sick so bad,especially especially if you
work for yourself.
Like it just sucks.
(08:05):
You're just laying aroundwatching texts come in from
Morgan and other people and notbeing able to apply your full
brain to how to respond to thosetexts and hoping that the
people around you will supportyou and keep things moving
forward and they do.
But you feel pathetic becauseyou're not giving it back to
them.
You're just laying aroundbecause you're so sick.
(08:26):
Unless Penny makes you walk herfor an hour every single day,
all right, who cares?
Live show is Thursday in DC.
How many tickets are left?
Morgan Seven, are you sure it's?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
seven still, oh no.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Because as soon as I walk out of here, I'm gonna go
put a big number of the numberof tickets that remain on my
Instagram.
But if you're listening live,six, six, look at that.
That's amazing.
Q sent me Quincy's so funny.
Because what?
Why are you?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
laughing Nothing.
You're being great, you'rebeing really funny today,
quincy's funny because he's likethis big, tough football guy.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He's like rah rah rah .
I've been in 50 fights in mylife and he's got a beard and
sometimes he's drinkingsomething and it trickles into
his beard and he looks likeblack, black beard and he's so
like.
He's such a football coach-asshead-ass right, but he will
occasionally.
He's also like a big teddy bear.
He will occasionally saysomething You'll get a glimmer
(09:27):
into.
You'll get a glimpse of why heis able to connect and resonate
so much with people who work inhigh pressure atmospheres.
I put a story up yesterday andI'm in the gym.
You know what I mean.
I kept trying to get back inthe gym while I was sick,
because when you're sick, that'sthe other thing you realize is
like all your muscles are goingaway and you can't eat enough
(09:48):
calories and you can't likeyou're, just you're fading, like
you're famous you're.
It's not real, it's in yourhead, but it's in your head
because of drugs.
That's why that's really whatit is.
It's not the sickness as muchas it's the drugs to get through
the night.
But I post this story of myself.
I'm so excited because there'slike at the time there were nine
tickets left.
(10:08):
Like there's nine tickets left.
You know, when you start anendeavor like this, you're
excited but you're scared.
Like you're scared that you putthe tickets on sale and people
don't buy them.
Like you're scared that theinternet has tricked you into
thinking people like you whenthey really don't.
Okay, do y'all feel what I'msaying?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, I totally feel you.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It's scary.
But then people buy the ticketsand now you're like, instead of
thinking about, oh God, am Iabout to walk in, am I about to
have to go do that thing where,like you hear the stories of,
like machine gun Kelly, when hewas first starting, he'd be like
jumping on tables in a roomwith five people in it like
doing his performances.
You're like, am I gonna have togo do that?
(10:50):
Like amp myself up to goperform to an empty room.
But now I'm like, ah, I canactually see the faces of the
people in the room and the vibes.
Tia's coming with us.
I told my friends last nightTia was coming, tia the DJ.
And they're like, oh, you guysare like really bringing Anarchy
to DC.
And I'm like, yes, that's thething.
Like that's it, we're going tobring our little traveling
(11:12):
circus to your town.
Like that's the thing.
And anyway, so, quincy, I get aDM from Quincy after I post
this story that says, hey,there's nine tickets left,
whatever.
And he says something like, man, it must have been really scary
to do the show, not knowing ifyou could sell these tickets.
(11:34):
I'm really proud of you, that'sit right.
And I don't think you guys.
I think sometimes people underappreciate how much you just
want to hear other people thatyou actually care about, like
(11:55):
acknowledge you.
You know what I mean, peoplethat you actually admire, people
you actually respect, because Ijust said this to my friend,
chris Spencer, who's been onthis show I called him one
Sunday just out of nowhere I wasjust on a walk.
I was actually just so happy tohave my feelings back in my
body that I was just likecalling niggas all the time, all
day, every day, for the lastfew days, cause I'm just like oh
, my voice works again and Icall Chris and I'm like yo,
(12:17):
chris, I don't want anything.
I just realized I look at yourvideos on Instagram every day
and it makes me feel like I knowhow you're doing, but of course
, I don't Like, cause we're notconnecting, we're not talking,
you're talking to the internet,you don't even know if I'm there
, and so we just talk for like15 minutes, whatever, but that's
(12:38):
just really important.
All right, who cares?
I care, I care, I care.
Okay, here's what I really careabout, though.
Should we do music?
Yes, let me just, cause I needto ramp up for this.
Actually, before music, youdidn't start yet, right?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
No, not yet.
You're always faking me out,though, josh is.
So Always faking me out, josh,you're ready for my pump break.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Thank you, Josh.
Keep your feet planted on thepumping.
All right, really quickly, in30 seconds or fewer, did
everybody see Jay-Z's speech?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I've heard parts of it, but I haven't seen it though
.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, well, what did you think about it?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Do you want me to say my thoughts?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Okay, Wait, wait, wait.
What's just happened, morgan?
Oh, is that what I said?
What's just happened?
As opposed to.
No sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I haven't figured out how I feel.
Well, one I didn't like that hecalled his wife young lady.
That really threw me for a loop.
And two, I haven't decided howI feel about saying people don't
deserve to be there Justbecause, like, I get that.
That's how you feel totally,but everyone's just doing their
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hustle, trying to get to theirgoal, like.
So, even if you don't liketheir stuff or you think someone
else's stuff is better, itfeels a little.
It feels kind of fucked, likeyeah so, but I haven't decided
if that was like oh, if I thinkthat's a totally okay thing to
say, or if it was actually not.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Now I'm just interested, morgan, when you say
you don't know how you feel,you haven't decided, like, what
will help you decide how youfeel?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like, just genuinely, like thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Processing.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, like processing , because sometimes my knee-jerk
reactions like I'm a wordvomitor, so sometimes my
knee-jerk reactions aren'tactually how I feel.
I have to think it through.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Okay, okay, charlotte .
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I think I'm just tired of people always talking
about Beyonce not getting analbum of the year and like I get
where the sentiment comes from,but I'm also like I can't
imagine being the person Likeshe knows she hasn't gotten an
album of the year and then, likeevery time someone gets an
award, for them to bring it upand remind her.
I just feel like it doesn'tfeel nice.
(14:59):
So I mean, I get that he'strying to like support his wife,
but I think you know she knows.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
All right, Josh, and you said you saw pieces of it.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I've read parts of it and pieces of it.
I've got like a couple ofdifferent things that maybe are
competing, but number one, likeI just feel like it made me
happy in the sense where I'mjust like oh, there's a
billionaire not afraid to justtalk his shit on stage, like I
like that Because billionaires,for whatever reason, are always
like.
You know we talked.
You talked about it in directdeposit, just like at what point
do you have FU money, were youjust like are able to finally
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say the things that you want tosay.
On the other hand, I just kindof feel like him even being at
the Grammys is at this point.
It's just kind of I mean, ifthey invited him, they knew he
was gonna, if he knew he wasgonna get the award already,
which I'm sure he did.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Super Bowl's coming.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, super Bowl's coming, but aside from that, I'm
just like it's kind of beneathhope, like it's just kind of how
I feel about it, Like I justdon't feel like it was worth it
for him to address that, buthe's totally.
I mean, I feel like he'stotally right.
Like it's crazy that she's shenever won album of the year.
Yeah, like that's nuts, likethat's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right, I said I was ready, and then I'm like all
right, let me think about whatI'm gonna say.
No, I'm just gonna say what Ihave to say, because you still
don't know how I feel about thisright no.
Okay.
So this is how I watch theGrammys by not watching the
Grammys, getting a text from mymom that says hey, are y'all
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watching the Grammys?
To me and my sister, this ispretty much every single year.
It's Grammys, oscars, whateverand we're not.
Or like, maybe my sister'stuning in here and there or
whatever she got three kids,probably not, and this time
there's a, and maybe we all dothis.
I watch things by being told bypeople that I care about when to
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watch something, like when totune into something, like I
trust certain people.
There's certain people who willbe like hey, like, turn on the
Grammys, and I will literallypretend I didn't see the text.
But if my mom does it, like I'mgonna.
Like it's my mom, you know whatI mean.
Like I'm gonna, I'm going, I'mnot, I'm never gonna egg my mom
like that.
I turn it on for like twoseconds.
(17:09):
I can't watch guys.
Like it hurts my eyeballs towatch an award show.
I hate it.
Morgan, I'm not gonna do it.
I know you're like don't doanother segment on hating award
shows, even though I'm about togo to an award show for podcasts
.
Like I like that when I'm beingrecognized.
Obviously you know what I mean.
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Like last time it was reallycool.
I did like a really cool thingon the red carpet.
I said something reallyinteresting.
I thought like it did good onsocials, like the whole thing
got an outfit.
It was awesome.
But I don't, I really don'twant to watch them.
They hurt my eyes because Ihate when people are being fake.
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I hate it, I can't.
It makes me uncomfortable, itmakes me sad it it.
It hurts me.
Like I see people who I havelooked up to before being fake,
being small, hiding, hidingbehind fakeness, hiding behind a
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veneer, and I wrote about thisin the book that I have coming
out.
But like I'll just, I'm gonnajust say it again here.
Let me start by making the point, because I don't want to do
gobbledygook, because what I sawwhen Jay-Z took that microphone
by a master orator, someone who, when he's talking to me
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through his music a peon, aplebe he speaks extremely
clearly and condescendingly.
I saw him get up there and bescared and speak gobbledygook.
He said he was nervous.
Now he said it out his ownmouth.
So I'm not I'm not projectingnervousness on him, but I saw
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someone who I know to bepowerful when he feels himself
to be powerful.
To be clear, when he feelshimself to be powerful, I felt I
saw that person not be powerful.
I saw that person stumble overhis words and I saw that person
choke on the main message, whichis that this shit is fucking
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racist.
I saw that.
I saw that with my fucking eyesand that's why I cannot watch
the Grammys, that's why I can'twatch the Oscars, that's why I
look away when they show Jay-Zin the owner's suite at a
football game, because I hateseeing my heroes be small.
I saw him be small.
I saw him not say the thing.
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I'm not even going to read allthis gobbledygook because it's
fucking gobbledygook.
There's nothing meaningful inhere.
This is what he had to say.
I'm not going to read itbecause it's gobbledygook.
I listened to it and, josh, Ieven feel what you're saying.
I liked it.
He got up there and wanted tosay the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, I just read it.
Yeah, you exactly, I just readit.
I didn't actually watch it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I didn't watch it.
He got up there and he did notsay the thing he said.
Oh, he talked around it.
He says.
He says he says it's subjectivebecause you know it's music and
it's opinion-based.
But you know some things, youknow I don't want to embarrass
this young lady, but she hasmore Grammys than everyone and
never won album of the year.
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So even by your own metrics,that doesn't work.
Think about the most Grammysnever won album of the year.
That doesn't work.
Some of you some of you goinghome tonight and I feel like
you've been robbed, some of youmay get robbed, ha ha ha.
Some of you, don't excuse me,some of you don't belong in
there.
Like, he talks around it andaround it and around it.
He makes it a Beyonce issue.
I'm sorry, but I don't care ifBeyonce wins a Grammy Like,
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because if it's about Beyonce,she don't need it Like.
But if it's about the thing,then I care.
If it's about, this is fuckingracist, this is white supremacy.
Like, if Taylor Swift winsalbum of the year, every time
she puts out an album andBeyonce goes home empty handed,
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that is telling you this shit isfor white people.
Was that clear what I just saidyes, like what you just said,
what I just said?
Was that clear?
Yeah, why can't Jay-Z say thatLike and I'm and I'm, I'm I'm
not being facetious and I'm notbeing bombastic to make a point,
I'm being dead ass.
Now, of course, I know thereason why he can't because he's
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in a room full of people whoseopinions matter to him.
When he talks to me on theblueprint, when he talks to me
on 444, when he talks to me onthe black album, he doesn't care
what I think about him.
But in that room he's in a roomfull of people's people whose
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opinions matter to him.
He does, he's doing the, and ithurts, it singes my fucking
eyeballs because he's doing thesame dance that I remember doing
at Google.
I met Jay-Z.
I've said this before.
I met Jay-Z.
After Jay-Z and Beyonce'sconcert at whatever the big ass
stadium is in MetLife, I want tosay I go to a party at Dumble
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House afterward, small party,jay-z, beyonce, khaled Questlove
I forgot who else was there.
Oh, no, I don't Zoe Kravitz andher mama, that ass.
Okay, me and me not as this,like, not as I'm speaking now.
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Me six years ago, very broke,very much wearing the same
outfit every day.
I've never been like a timidperson, but more in a shell.
Okay, my manager brings me into,if you know, dumble House.
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There's the balcony outsidesummertime.
So we outside on the balconysmall party not a very lively.
One of the folks I justmentioned and let's say in their
dates, so not Zoe Kravitz, shewas there by herself with her
mama, that was her date.
My manager comes and gets me,he walks me into the main dining
area.
He walks me over to the.
There's somebody by the food,so tall man by the food,
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grabbing right off the plates,coming out of the kitchen.
My manager takes me over there.
He says yo, you always buy thefood.
It's Jay-Z.
He's sitting.
My manager says Jay, I'mStarstruck, I don't.
I mean like I've been Starstruckprobably three times in all of
this.
It was meeting Jay-Z, it wasmeeting Kanye West and it was
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meeting Kim Kardashian, just bythe sheer magnitude of their
fame, like just by knowing thatwhen you are around them you're
sort of like at point, central,ground zero, of like American
obsession.
Okay, especially those othertwo.
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Take his hand and it's tall guyman, like he's like a tall
limber, 50 year old at thatpoint I guess, and his eyes are
piercing through my eyeballs.
Okay, this is a powerful person, I see and feel, someone who I
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believe has a thousand wattsinside them.
Is that a lot?
I don't even know 10,000,50,000, whatever.
That is not the person that Isaw standing on that stage at
the Grammys and I just don'tunderstand why.
Why are you so powerful whenyou stand it, when you're
shaking my hand, but so nervouswhen you have something real and
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honest that you know is trueinside you, to say, in front of
the people who are actuallyimplicated, in front of the
people who are actually the oneswho are not voting for your
black wife to win this award?
And what it does to me is it?
It can make you feel likeyou're staring into the abyss
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when you just are like, damn,there actually are no heroes,
like there is nobody to look upto and I'm not saying Jay-Z was
the one anyway, but like ifJay-Z can't stand on his two
flag, where are we at?
What the fuck happened toGeorge Bush?
Doesn't care about black people?
Like that's clear.
What is all this gobbledygook?
(25:55):
Like what is all thisgobbledygook?
I'm so lost, I'm like I'myelling.
Damn it, put that in the reeland I'm yelling because I know
exactly where it's gone.
The Grammys for Jay-Z is rollout to the Super Bowl.
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Like he works with RogerGoodell, he works with Jerry
Jones.
Those are his counterparts.
You know what I'm saying.
I say whatever I want becausethese are the people I hang out
with.
Like you know what I'm saying.
Like when I go say what I gottasay in DC, like I'm maybe
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looking at a room full of peoplewho are never gonna be like
well, I don't think the Grammysare actually racist.
Jay's gonna go sit next toJerry Jones.
He's gonna go sit next.
He's probably.
He's guys, he's probably gonnabe within arm's length of Taylor
Swift at the Grammys.
Okay, like when I say I said itso well, when I say on that red
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carpet, all of this shit and allof these people are compromised
.
This is what I'm talking about.
What he stood up there and didwas a compromise.
It was a negotiation.
He didn't say, he didn't standand say the thing.
He didn't just say the thing,and he's so good when he wants
to and he feels clear and hefeels safe.
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He's so good at saying thething.
But he was shook.
I don't like seeing Jay-Z shook.
I don't like it and I'm sadbecause the guy who was really
the guy who really knew how todo this is totally lost now.
Kanye West.
(27:47):
He's completely in outer spaceright now.
He's the one like he startedthis.
He made this a thing, going onthat stage and doing the thing
he started.
A 10 year we're on like year 10of a decade long might be more
than that of a decade long.
Taylor Swift pity party as acountry because of what Kanye
(28:11):
West did to her when she waslike 20 years old, maybe younger
I don't know how old she wasshe looks the same, I don't know
.
So who's left?
I mean, I literally was goingin my head today.
I was like I was trying tothink of who's the artist that
(28:34):
actually would have stood onthat stage and said the thing
okay, jarrod Carmichael kind oftried to do it, can't really do
it as the host.
Okay, like you can't, like youcan really kill the vibe if you
spend the whole night trying totalk that shit.
Like it has to be a moment andI'm like who is the artist who
could do it?
(28:54):
Kendrick won't even show up forthis kind of thing.
It's definitely not gonna beDrake.
Tyler the creator comes to mind.
But like Tyler the creatorcomes to mind Rihanna, it's not
Beyonce.
Like, who is willing to forfeitjust a little bit of love from
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wealthy white people to havemore?
Oh, this gotta go in the realFuck.
I gotta say it again now who iswilling to?
I'm sorry I'm writing in frontof you guys, but this is
important because this needs tobe said and I need to promote
the show.
Who is the artist, who is theperson who is willing to forfeit
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the love and admiration ofwhite people and wealthy white
people Just a little bit of it?
Like, just a little bit?
Who is willing to give up justa little bit of love and
admiration from white people forthe love of their own fucking
people?
(30:04):
Like, who will do it?
And when Kanye West did it, itsent this man on a fucking
tailspin that I believe he isstill on to this moment.
Like, my dream is that I wantthe Chiefs to win the Super Bowl
because I root for the BlackQuarterback patching my homes.
I also just root.
I root to all right, I'm doingsports now.
(30:24):
I root to see.
I like feeling like I'm seeingand being a part of something.
That's the greatest, and that'swhat I feel.
When I see Pat Mahomes playfootball, I'm like, ooh, he has
a chance to pass Tom Brady.
That's awesome.
I love feeling like I'm.
I mean, I'm obviously not apart of it, but I'm here in
culture, I'm in the world whileit's happening.
I love that we did do a quickLeBron side swipe here.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Of course somehow somehow I don't know how you're
about to do this.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, because what I know about the LeBron fan is
this by the way, guys, I startedas a LeBron fan okay, I did.
When he got into the league, Iwas on board, I was like, ooh,
this is the shit.
And then I realized this is thepragmatist in me.
I think LeBron fans are veryunrealistic people.
(31:15):
Which is why they are willingto go for the LeBron marketing
machine is because they'd liketo be led somewhere that, even
if it's not real.
I thought LeBron was on his wayto being the goat and when it
became apparent that that's notgonna happen he's not the one I
was like, oh, I'll take an offramp here.
(31:37):
Like I'm good, it's cool, likeit's still cool, but it's not
the best.
Pat Mahomes seems to be on theroad to being the best and if
it's not gonna work out, I willbe willing to admit oh, it
didn't work out.
I'm not gonna do what LeBronfans are doing right now, which
is trying to bend the truth andhistory around the thing that
(31:59):
they saddled up for like sixyear olds as adults to hope and
hold on to this idea that thisavatar for themselves became the
goat.
It just didn't happen.
That's it.
Back to Pat Mahomes, here's whatI want to happen.
I want the Chiefs to win theSuper Bowl.
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I want Travis Kelsey to be theSuper Bowl MVP.
I want Taylor Swift to come andfind him on the field.
Travis bends down on one knee,he holds up a $300,000
(32:42):
engagement ring with a sponsoron it, and then I want Taylor
Swift to unzip her bodysuit andunderneath her it was Kanye the
whole time.
And then he comes back to usand this was like this was his
whole magic trick.
(33:03):
This whole fucking time wasthat he was going to pull the
ultimate deception on us, whichis to walk in a white woman's
skin, to feel what it is to beloved, the way that the white
woman is loved in this country,all the way to the highest
pinnacle moment of thatadoration, like winning Grammy,
(33:26):
you know, album of the Year, youknow doing it again to Beyonce,
getting the big athlete, superBowl MVP, to propose to you.
And then he comes out and he'sKanye West.
And then everybody turns on himand it's just like I just think
it would be such a fantastictrick of artistry to show how
(33:47):
quickly, how fast, this countrywould go from loving the fuck
out of the person in that suitto hating them with the ferocity
of a million, gazillionthousand sons in an instant.
That's what I pray will happen.
I think I have a shot, allright.
I don't know, though, becausepeople are saying Kanye got a
BBL and Taylor Swift definitelydon't have a BBL.
(34:09):
Okay, now you guys want to seeme be scared.
I'm just going to read aheadline.
It's on my docket.
You know what you want me toread?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You're scared.
Oh no, you're scared, you'rescared.
I'm just going to read aheadline.
There's one headline on thisdocket.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I'm literally just going to read the headline.
You sent this to me, though Iwill not.
I know I did.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I will not.
I don't you know what.
I'm just going to read theheadline.
It says are you scared Morgan?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No, read the headline .
Speaker 1 (34:37):
It says New York governor Kathy Huckle, shout out
.
Just got to know a New York NewYork governor Huckle, by the
way.
Oh, thank you, Shout out.
Kathy Huckle says $183 millionof compensation will be paid to
Holocaust victims and theirheirs.
Hate has no home in New York.
Must be nice, all right, movingon.
(35:05):
Uh right, killer Mike gotarrested after the Grammys.
You want to know another way toknow that we are not invited to
the party?
It's like when you win Grammysand then you get arrested.
Citizens arrest after theGrammys.
I don't even know.
Does anybody know?
(35:25):
Oh, I do know.
It says you put it here.
He was overzealous withsecurity.
Well, yeah, yes and I've heardpeople talk about this.
He said he was overzealous withsecurity.
This guy just won three Grammysawards and walked out arrested
by a fucking citizens arrest.
Okay, and I it's like betweenthis and Will Smith winning his
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award and then being banned fromthe show for the next decade.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's just, guys, it's just like Will Smith did
something else.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
He did, he assaulted somebody.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
He smacked somebody.
I was sitting there, I was likehold up, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I'm not trying to reinvent his, but it's like.
This is what I mean, y'all.
Okay, it's just like sometimesit's just a party you're not
invited to.
I've had some meltdowns inpublic areas.
I've had some bad moments at aparty.
(36:25):
I get to think of oneparticular bad moment on a party
bus and the reason for it wasbecause I went with friends
somewhere that I was notsupposed to be, like I and I'm
not.
Now I'm not even talking aboutrace.
This is in college, so likeit's all niggas.
(36:47):
But okay, I'll just.
I'll tell the story a littlebit, why not?
So we lived in Cascade.
I lived with three of my guys,um, three dudes living in a
house, townhouse in Cascade.
That's like West Atlanta, maybe15 minutes from the school.
Um, gated townhome, commitcommunity.
This is how cheap Atlanta wasat the time Gated, gated
(37:09):
townhome community.
I believe the four of us livedin there and paid something like
3000 to $3,500 a month for thewhole place.
The four of us big ass houseNow at that time show.
Here's a quick plug because Ihave my new sub stack love
(37:30):
project that's coming out onValentine's Day.
Link is in my bio.
At that time me and aparticular ex girlfriend, were
in a point of static in our onagain, off again relationship
and we I think that was probablythe worst this was our senior
year of college.
(37:50):
I think that was probably theworst of us Trying to hurt each
other, like not physically,emotionally, like trying to
trying to like kind of throw ourweight around and be make shows
of ourselves dating otherpeople and just like just be
hurtful.
It was a mess.
(38:11):
And one day I'm in my house withmy guys and a party bus,
literally that none of us knewwas coming, pulls up in front of
our.
Imagine you're just sitting inyour house in a gated community.
Party bus pulls up in front ofthis house and on said party bus
is there are 30 women from ourcollege and three or four guys
(38:38):
on the party bus.
They're dancing, they'retwerking, they're drunk, like
everybody's having a blast, andone of my boys I guess he like
went out to put the trash outand the party bus pulls up and
he runs back in the house andhe's like don't put clothes on,
just come outside.
So we all like rush our clotheson, we come outside, we're
(38:58):
about to get on this party bus,because of course we're going to
get on the party bus and aswe're getting on the party bus,
I realized what the party bus is.
It is my ex girlfriend and her30 line sisters are having
they're having a party bus night.
So as I'm getting on the bus,it occurs to me this is a bad
bus to get on, even though itlooks like an amazing bus to get
(39:22):
on.
You know what I mean.
It's like just imagine whateveryour favorite.
I don't.
I'm trying to like, if youreally love chocolate chip
cookies.
Imagine a bus of chocolate chipcookies pulls up in front of
your house.
You're like, oh, I got to geton this.
I put my exes on the bus withthe chocolate chip cookies.
Get on the bus and this dudewho I was cool with but, like um
(39:46):
, sits down next to me Exgirlfriend, comes over, plops
down right on top of him andstarts giving a lap dance right
next to me.
And I am in a in college, like Iwasn't fully socialized yet as
an adult.
My frontal lobe had notcompletely formed at that point
(40:07):
in time and I was the type ofperson who, like um, who, when
incited and said in such a way,like I just let it.
I just like let it flow.
You know what I mean Like I'venever was.
I've never been a violentperson, but I just was.
Like I knew how to make a bigscene and how to make everything
(40:28):
that I felt make everybodyaround me also have to feel that
thing in the moment.
So that's what I did, nofurther details.
That was me getting involved ina party that I wasn't supposed
to be at.
The analogy that I'm makinghere is like, will Smith,
whether or not you are winningan Oscar, you're not actually
supposed to be there.
If you feel that tense in theroom, if somebody can get under
(40:49):
your skin that easily and thatdeeply in that room, like you're
not supposed to be there, justleave.
Like you, I'm sorry, not willSmith, just leave, but I just
mean, like Chad, just get offthe party bus, like, why, like,
why is the allure of these roomsso defining, like such?
(41:09):
I didn't even know there werepodcast awards at the South by
Southwest, but I was so tickledI was like, oh my God, they like
me.
Oh, marketing Transition no, itisn't transition, because okay.
So the list of honorees for,the list of nominees for that
award, for all those awards, theI heart podcast awards, came
(41:31):
out yesterday and I was lookingat that list and I noticed
something.
It's like how I built this withGuy Razz blah, blah, blah with
so and so blah, blah, blah, andthen it says just direct deposit
.
And I'm like, morgan, pleasehold me honest on this from now
on, starting this moment.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Everything is, everything because that's
marketing.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Like they need to see my name because, like I might
not win you know what I mean Imight not get to go up there and
say something crazy.
So like I need they need to seemy name and everything.
Like everything, everything,everything, everything.
I'm pledging it at this moment.
Everything going forward, mylove project will be something
about a stupid doc with ChadSanders.
(42:16):
Okay, all right, that was the.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
that was the segue that made sense, All right
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I watched a video.
I like Clay Thompson.
I watched a video of ClayThompson in the locker room.
Clay Thompson sucks now he'slike, it's like, oh, it's so bad
.
Like when I, even just lookingat his box scores, I'm always
like I think he had eight pointslast night.
He didn't get to finish thegame.
And I watched the video of himthis morning in the locker room
(42:45):
and I am I've never really beenlike a fan of teams in the NBA
like that, like I think like alot of NBA fans, I have favorite
players and whatever teamthey're on, I I rally, and so
Steph Curry is one of myfavorite players ever, and so I
have been behind the Warriorsthis for this whole time, you
know, literally since StephCurry was drafted, I've been,
(43:08):
I've been like I've been aboutthe Warriors, um, which is why I
like Celtics now, because Ilike the players.
I like the Knicks Because I likea couple of the players, but,
um, clay Thompson, like it'sfalling off, the wheels are
falling off.
Like he can't, he just can't doit.
(43:29):
He's just not really goodanymore and he's a starter and
he's a, he's an icon.
He'll probably have a statue infront of that building, in
front of their arena, along withStefan Dremon, I would guess,
at some point.
And after the games, you know,the reporters go to him.
Man like I, I can't even.
(43:52):
I'm not even assigning amorality to this, it's just.
It's just true.
Um, the whole world loves itwhen you don't get down Like.
People love to see someone on afall.
People are, people's eyeballsstick to watching someone who is
falling.
It's a.
It's a.
(44:12):
It's a.
I literally just watched themovie anatomy of a fall Like and
the whole movie is about howthis family unwound and
ultimately spoiler alert haveyou guys seen the movie?
Do you plan to?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Okay, what if you do careers?
It goes for you as well.
Listener, the movie is about adad.
It's nominated for best picture.
It's it is about it's the onlynominee I have seen ever last.
It is about a family of threemom, dad, son, who is 10, 11 ish
(44:50):
and I'm pretty much legallyblind and they're adorable,
phenomenal, um, like Aussieshepherd dog that deserves an
Oscar because the dogs acting isso crazy, like.
I'm like literally blown awayby the dogs.
The dog I'm going to give youall so many spoilers.
At one point in the movie, thelittle boy who's kind of creepy.
(45:13):
In moments he gives the dogAdvil because he wants to see,
like, what will happen to thedog.
And it cuts to the next shot ofthe dog Like the next day dead
and I'm like I know, and I'mlike broken and I'm like I'm so
sad.
(45:33):
I wish I had gone on thatwebsite to see like, does the
dog die?
I think it's called does thedog diecom?
Um, and the babysitterresuscitates the dog and brings
it back to life.
But the dog acts through beingdead to being back to life and
I'm just like, wow, that's amate, like it crushes it, it's
tongue is hanging out and it'slike eyes are bugged out and
then like and then sheresuscitates it and then the dog
(45:55):
is like oh, oh, my God, I'mback, I'm back.
Did I miss anything?
It's crazy, it's such good.
Acting by the dog, um, but themovie.
Oh man, I have like fourminutes left.
I don't care about any of thisother shit.
Okay, yeah, oh, there's nothingelse here.
So the movie is about I haven'teven said what the movie's about
(46:17):
the dad of the family.
He falls from the roof of thehouse.
They're in the.
They're in the French Alps.
There's no other houses around,like.
They live like way out.
It's beautiful setting, butit's just like it's so isolated.
He falls from the roof of thehouse, cracks his head, dies,
(46:40):
and the boy and the dog comingback from a walk.
The dog like helps the boy goon walks because he's blind and
they find him.
Boy yells for his mama, mama,mama, mama comes out, sees the
man.
The whole movie is about tryingto decipher whether or not he
jumped, whether or not heslipped or whether or not she
pushed his ass out the window.
(47:00):
And another spoiler alert youdon't get the answer at the end,
which I kind of hate, but itleaves you to theorize, and
there are many believabletheories as to how this happened
.
At one point and this is stillmy working theory I think the
mom really resents the dadbecause he was watching the kid
(47:24):
when the kid was blinded and Ithink the kid also kind of
resents the dad for that and Ithink the kid and the mom know
what happened to the dad.
It goes through court.
It goes through.
There's publicity around it.
The mom and the dad are bothwriters, but he's like a
self-sabotaging, can't actuallylike put his foot out the door
writer and she's a verysuccessful writer.
(47:44):
So there's like there'sconflict about childcare and how
he has to kind of like takecare of the kid all the time
because she's successful andworking on her career.
It's a good movie longest fuck.
It's two and a half hours.
It could have been an hourshorter.
At one point I'm watching themovie they're speaking English
because the mom's German, thedad is French, so they speak
(48:04):
English to like come to middleground.
But at certain points it's likeall in French and there's no
subtitles on it.
I'm just like am I justsupposed to just like be vibing
with this?
Am I supposed to just likeguess?
So then I turned on thesubtitles so I could read what
they were saying.
But anyway, anyway, why am Ieven talking about this?
Oh, clay Thompson, because ClayThompson is.
(48:25):
I have one minute left.
He's falling and people love towatch a fall, like people love
to see a champion, someone whoused to black out and get 60
points on 11 dribbles.
They love to see that persondefeated.
And you can see it all overClay's body that he is defeated
(48:49):
right now.
He's like I, it must.
I mean, I got to imagine it'sso painful to just watch
yourself not be able to do whatyou could do as a one out of, as
a one out of one.
Truly Like what Clay can do.
Steph is a better shooter,steph is a greater player, steph
has handle and vision and allthese other things.
(49:11):
But like what Clay could do,which is just come off screens
and knocked out like can 10threes without dribbling the
ball that he is one of one atthat thing.
Nobody else had that.
Ray Allen didn't have that,reggie Miller didn't have that.
Like.
That's Clay.
He can't do it anymore and he'sbroken.
But I saw something that I sawhim say, something that I
(49:33):
admired so much.
He's my least favorite of thethree big three warriors, but he
said something that I admiredso much.
When this reporter is just likecamera in his face, microphone,
tell me about how much it sucksto be you, tell me about how
much it sucks to be you.
He just kept saying it.
And you see, often in thesemoments you see a lot of aging
superstars in the NBA.
(49:54):
Their response a lot of timesis defiance.
A lot of times their responseis you know, I still believe in
myself, I still know I can doyada, yada, yada.
I still blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And at some point in this video, clay says he says I accept
Like, I accept this, like this.
He kind of like.
He lets his shoulders down.
(50:15):
You see it on his face and he'stelling the reporter like bro,
you know this sucks Like, and hejust says, like, I accept this.
This is what it is at thispoint and I think that's
powerful.
I think we spend a lot of timeresisting what is so and like
(50:37):
what is definitively so aboutourselves in some ways, and I
value I think once you acceptwhat is so for yourself, you
find clarity and conviction andpurpose somewhere else Is my age
(50:58):
.
I'm going through somethinglike that right now.
I talk a lot of shit about FuckHollywood, fuck Hollywood, fuck
Hollywood, but I still get atinge.
I still get a twinge or 10.
I don't know, I still get apang of jealousy, resentment,
(51:20):
sadness when I see Damn so andso God, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm going through I think Itold more than this recently.
Like I am finding acceptance in, like, what I'm really supposed
to be doing and I would like toget there quickly so that, like
, I can really do that thingwith the like, with the purpose
(51:42):
and the passion that it deservesand requires.
That's what I'm trying to dohere.
So, come on, okay, that's it.
Live show is Thursday.
This Thursday, washington DC.
Six tickets remain right.
These tickets will be sotempting for me to stop
promoting now because we'realmost done.
But fuck it, I want to go allthe way to zero and okay, bye.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Now, after being released, we'll call on God to
check on these tickets.
Oh, that's fine.
(52:28):
Love you too.
Love you too.
We love you too.
Thanks for watching, guys.
Alright, welcome to Nothing by Anarchy.
I'm back on my feet and I'm soglad Morgan just made fun of me
before we started the showbecause I was so pathetic.
Last week, on Thursday, when Iwas here, we put out, morgan
(00:24):
sent me a clip of myself beingsick last week and I was so sick
and delirious.
It was supposed to go on mystories and I put it out as a
real with no Anarchy branding onit, because I was just so sick
and disgust-o.
I could feel.
I felt while I was out lastweek I could just, I could feel
(00:46):
fuck niggas celebratingeverywhere because I was down
and I'm back and the live showis Thursday and I'm so excited
Sub-side, fuck niggas.
Alright, I'm back.
Okay, I'm at 98%.
I was still coughing up phlegmlast night.
(01:07):
Alright, this is what you listento the show for.
Okay, I'm trying to find.
Oh, I know where it is.
I know where it is.
I know where it is.
Let's just let's come on.
You guys know what we're hereto talk about today, right,
morgan?
You knew, I knew.
How did you know Morgan?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Because anytime someone says anything against
the thing that they're at, Ifeel like you appreciate it or
you're interested Notnecessarily appreciate, but
you're intrigued.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let me describe what I saw.
That's well said, morgan.
I am indeed intrigued.
Oh, before I do that, a note.
Okay, oh, josh, I don't know ifI told you this, but Direct
Deposit was nominated for-.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, I just found out.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
How'd you see that?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
No, Morgan told me when she came through.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, what was it nominated for?
Best Finance Podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh, I don't know.
I didn't know exactly what thenomination was for Something
like that, but I was hype.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Direct Deposit.
I'm hype too.
Direct Deposit, which came outin October of 2022, is now
nominated for an iHeart PodcastAward at South by Southwest for
Best.
I believe it's like BestPersonal Finance Podcast or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's the one Best Business and Finance Podcast
Best.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Business and Finance Podcast.
It's the one they list rightunder the Best Podcast nominees.
All the big best podcastnominees were shows like Smart
List and shit like that.
They have giant budgets behindthem and we're going to talk
about budgets we're going to getto that in a second.
But I am happy I am seeingsomething happen in front of me
and what's happening is I amseeing the what would you call
(02:39):
this?
I guess the legacy effect, thelike, the compounding effect of
media over time.
So I'm sitting down last nightto do the copyright I was
supposed to talk about Jay-Z,but it's fine I was sitting down
last night to do like a reviewof the copy edits on my book.
(03:00):
It's like you go through thewhole book is done.
It's like 230 pages.
You go through it and you'reliterally just like they're
showing you every place wherethey deleted a space or added an
apostrophe or changed thenumber 13th to the word 13th and
you're just you have toliterally review every single
one and just make sure you'regood with everything everything
that's in your precious book.
(03:21):
But at the top of that thing,the publisher Simon and
Schuster's the publisher for methey you know they format it in
a way that I wouldn't know howto format it because it's like
you know.
You look at the front of thebook and it has all that
gobbledygook that we barely everlook at that says like
published in these countries bythis person and printed here,
(03:42):
and like yada, yada, yada, butat the but they put before my
title page.
There's something there thatsays um, this is the-.
This is the second book by ChadSanders.
His first book is Black Magic.
You know yada, yada, yada, thesubtitle.
And I felt I didn't expect tofeel this because I'm getting
(04:08):
excited about the book.
I spent the last two yearswriting the book and that is
difficult.
Now the book is done like thethoughts and the feelings are in
the book, and what happens nextis basically a year of
decisions to be made about howit looks, finalizing the title,
(04:30):
filing the rights in othercountries, um, optioning the
rights for film productions ifthere's somebody wants to try to
buy it, making decisions aboutlike, press and marketing.
And I'm excited because I havededicated myself to building my
own audience over this next yearso that when Simon and Schuster
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publishes it out to theiraudience, I can also bring my
audience to it and that therewill be a combining effect.
So I'm excited about rollingthis thing out over the course
of a year, but I didn't expectto feel excited about that first
page that says this is Chad'ssecond book and his first book
is this other book.
Because now someone who becomesaware of this book can go and
(05:15):
listen sorry, go and re orlisten to go and read my first
book, and now we know each othera little bit better, you and I,
whoever's reading.
So when I found out a coupleweeks ago because Morgan calls
me and says hey, this guyemailed and said South by
Southwest is recognizing DirectDeposit as one of its nominees.
Direct Deposit is my audibleshow that came out in October
(05:37):
2022.
That's like a long time ago,kind of my first response to
Morgan was like, are you sureit's real?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, you're like, did you verify?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I was like is this a spam?
Like, is this?
Because it doesn't in my head.
I'm like that's curious foryour thing to get recognized
over a year after it came out.
But I'm remembering Chanel hitme up recently, right, they say,
hey, chanel, it's Chanel like,not Chanel.
Like my friend from college,like Chanel that makes beauty
(06:10):
stuff right.
Or bags, bags, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh, they don't make any problems, or I mean, I guess
they do too.
I guess they, whatever, we makeeverything.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Chanel we love you guys, whatever no, we don't know
you, but it's fine.
I'm like the point is we havesuch a they didn't have to speak
to them speak and I think allthese things are happening
there's an environmental effecthere.
We're building an environmentof like I just did my first
(06:39):
coaching session with somebodywho listens to this show.
Like just I just did a creativecoaching session with somebody
last week who listens to thisshow, who listened to yearbook,
who went back and like it'shappening, it's happening.
And now what I realize is Igotta go ask people for money to
make it happen faster.
(07:00):
Like my piggy bank, I can keepmaking it happen slowly in $40,
$50 a day over the next howevermany years, but like it could
happen faster.
And so I'm gonna start askingpeople for like big chunks of
money to pour gasoline on theflame right now, because now I
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see it, now I feel comfortableasking, because for the last
seven years I've just beentrying to figure out like how
does media make money?
And I never really, I neverreally totally knew.
All I knew was I write mylittle script and I go put it in
this box and then HBO gives memoney, you know, but I didn't
know how they went and monetizedmy creativity and the next
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person and the next persons.
But I get it now.
So I'm excited, I'm excited.
I'm also excited because I'mback on my feet.
I was sick last week.
It was fucking depressing.
Sucks to be sick so bad,especially especially if you
work for yourself.
Like it just sucks.
(08:05):
You're just laying aroundwatching texts come in from
Morgan and other people and notbeing able to apply your full
brain to how to respond to thosetexts and hoping that the
people around you will supportyou and keep things moving
forward and they do.
But you feel pathetic becauseyou're not giving it back to
them.
You're just laying aroundbecause you're so sick.
(08:26):
Unless Penny makes you walk herfor an hour every single day,
all right, who cares?
Live show is Thursday in DC.
How many tickets are left?
Morgan Seven, are you sure it's?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
seven still, oh no.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Because as soon as I walk out of here, I'm gonna go
put a big number of the numberof tickets that remain on my
Instagram.
But if you're listening live,six, six, look at that.
That's amazing.
Q sent me Quincy's so funny.
Because what?
Why are you?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
laughing Nothing.
You're being great, you'rebeing really funny today,
quincy's funny because he's likethis big, tough football guy.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He's like rah rah rah .
I've been in 50 fights in mylife and he's got a beard and
sometimes he's drinkingsomething and it trickles into
his beard and he looks likeblack, black beard and he's so
like.
He's such a football coach-asshead-ass right, but he will
occasionally.
He's also like a big teddy bear.
He will occasionally saysomething You'll get a glimmer
(09:27):
into.
You'll get a glimpse of why heis able to connect and resonate
so much with people who work inhigh pressure atmospheres.
I put a story up yesterday andI'm in the gym.
You know what I mean.
I kept trying to get back inthe gym while I was sick,
because when you're sick, that'sthe other thing you realize is
like all your muscles are goingaway and you can't eat enough
(09:48):
calories and you can't likeyou're, just you're fading, like
you're famous you're.
It's not real, it's in yourhead, but it's in your head
because of drugs.
That's why that's really whatit is.
It's not the sickness as muchas it's the drugs to get through
the night.
But I post this story of myself.
I'm so excited because there'slike at the time there were nine
tickets left.
(10:08):
Like there's nine tickets left.
You know, when you start anendeavor like this, you're
excited but you're scared.
Like you're scared that you putthe tickets on sale and people
don't buy them.
Like you're scared that theinternet has tricked you into
thinking people like you whenthey really don't.
Okay, do y'all feel what I'msaying?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, I totally feel you.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It's scary.
But then people buy the ticketsand now you're like, instead of
thinking about, oh God, am Iabout to walk in, am I about to
have to go do that thing where,like you hear the stories of,
like machine gun Kelly, when hewas first starting, he'd be like
jumping on tables in a roomwith five people in it like
doing his performances.
You're like, am I gonna have togo do that?
(10:50):
Like amp myself up to goperform to an empty room.
But now I'm like, ah, I canactually see the faces of the
people in the room and the vibes.
Tia's coming with us.
I told my friends last nightTia was coming, tia the DJ.
And they're like, oh, you guysare like really bringing Anarchy
to DC.
And I'm like, yes, that's thething.
Like that's it, we're going tobring our little traveling
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circus to your town.
Like that's the thing.
And anyway, so, quincy, I get aDM from Quincy after I post
this story that says, hey,there's nine tickets left,
whatever.
And he says something like, man, it must have been really scary
to do the show, not knowing ifyou could sell these tickets.
(11:34):
I'm really proud of you, that'sit right.
And I don't think you guys.
I think sometimes people underappreciate how much you just
want to hear other people thatyou actually care about, like
(11:55):
acknowledge you.
You know what I mean, peoplethat you actually admire, people
you actually respect, because Ijust said this to my friend,
chris Spencer, who's been onthis show I called him one
Sunday just out of nowhere I wasjust on a walk.
I was actually just so happy tohave my feelings back in my
body that I was just likecalling niggas all the time, all
day, every day, for the lastfew days, cause I'm just like oh
, my voice works again and Icall Chris and I'm like yo,
(12:17):
chris, I don't want anything.
I just realized I look at yourvideos on Instagram every day
and it makes me feel like I knowhow you're doing, but of course
, I don't Like, cause we're notconnecting, we're not talking,
you're talking to the internet,you don't even know if I'm there
, and so we just talk for like15 minutes, whatever, but that's
(12:38):
just really important.
All right, who cares?
I care, I care, I care.
Okay, here's what I really careabout, though.
Should we do music?
Yes, let me just, cause I needto ramp up for this.
Actually, before music, youdidn't start yet, right?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
No, not yet.
You're always faking me out,though, josh is.
So Always faking me out, josh,you're ready for my pump break.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Thank you, Josh.
Keep your feet planted on thepumping.
All right, really quickly, in30 seconds or fewer, did
everybody see Jay-Z's speech?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I've heard parts of it, but I haven't seen it though
.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, well, what did you think about it?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Do you want me to say my thoughts?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Okay, Wait, wait, wait.
What's just happened, morgan?
Oh, is that what I said?
What's just happened?
As opposed to.
No sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I haven't figured out how I feel.
Well, one I didn't like that hecalled his wife young lady.
That really threw me for a loop.
And two, I haven't decided howI feel about saying people don't
deserve to be there Justbecause, like, I get that.
That's how you feel totally,but everyone's just doing their
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hustle, trying to get to theirgoal, like.
So, even if you don't liketheir stuff or you think someone
else's stuff is better, itfeels a little.
It feels kind of fucked, likeyeah so, but I haven't decided
if that was like oh, if I thinkthat's a totally okay thing to
say, or if it was actually not.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Now I'm just interested, morgan, when you say
you don't know how you feel,you haven't decided, like, what
will help you decide how youfeel?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like, just genuinely, like thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Processing.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, like processing , because sometimes my knee-jerk
reactions like I'm a wordvomitor, so sometimes my
knee-jerk reactions aren'tactually how I feel.
I have to think it through.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Okay, okay, charlotte .
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I think I'm just tired of people always talking
about Beyonce not getting analbum of the year and like I get
where the sentiment comes from,but I'm also like I can't
imagine being the person Likeshe knows she hasn't gotten an
album of the year and then, likeevery time someone gets an
award, for them to bring it upand remind her.
I just feel like it doesn'tfeel nice.
(14:59):
So I mean, I get that he'strying to like support his wife,
but I think you know she knows.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
All right, Josh, and you said you saw pieces of it.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I've read parts of it and pieces of it.
I've got like a couple ofdifferent things that maybe are
competing, but number one, likeI just feel like it made me
happy in the sense where I'mjust like oh, there's a
billionaire not afraid to justtalk his shit on stage, like I
like that Because billionaires,for whatever reason, are always
like.
You know we talked.
You talked about it in directdeposit, just like at what point
do you have FU money, were youjust like are able to finally
(15:32):
say the things that you want tosay.
On the other hand, I just kindof feel like him even being at
the Grammys is at this point.
It's just kind of I mean, ifthey invited him, they knew he
was gonna, if he knew he wasgonna get the award already,
which I'm sure he did.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Super Bowl's coming.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, super Bowl's coming, but aside from that, I'm
just like it's kind of beneathhope, like it's just kind of how
I feel about it, Like I justdon't feel like it was worth it
for him to address that, buthe's totally.
I mean, I feel like he'stotally right.
Like it's crazy that she's shenever won album of the year.
Yeah, like that's nuts, likethat's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right, I said I was ready, and then I'm like all
right, let me think about whatI'm gonna say.
No, I'm just gonna say what Ihave to say, because you still
don't know how I feel about thisright no.
Okay.
So this is how I watch theGrammys by not watching the
Grammys, getting a text from mymom that says hey, are y'all
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watching the Grammys?
To me and my sister, this ispretty much every single year.
It's Grammys, oscars, whateverand we're not.
Or like, maybe my sister'stuning in here and there or
whatever she got three kids,probably not, and this time
there's a, and maybe we all dothis.
I watch things by being told bypeople that I care about when to
(16:49):
watch something, like when totune into something, like I
trust certain people.
There's certain people who willbe like hey, like, turn on the
Grammys, and I will literallypretend I didn't see the text.
But if my mom does it, like I'mgonna.
Like it's my mom, you know whatI mean.
Like I'm gonna, I'm going, I'mnot, I'm never gonna egg my mom
like that.
I turn it on for like twoseconds.
(17:09):
I can't watch guys.
Like it hurts my eyeballs towatch an award show.
I hate it.
Morgan, I'm not gonna do it.
I know you're like don't doanother segment on hating award
shows, even though I'm about togo to an award show for podcasts
.
Like I like that when I'm beingrecognized.
Obviously you know what I mean.
(17:31):
Like last time it was reallycool.
I did like a really cool thingon the red carpet.
I said something reallyinteresting.
I thought like it did good onsocials, like the whole thing
got an outfit.
It was awesome.
But I don't, I really don'twant to watch them.
They hurt my eyes because Ihate when people are being fake.
(17:55):
I hate it, I can't.
It makes me uncomfortable, itmakes me sad it it.
It hurts me.
Like I see people who I havelooked up to before being fake,
being small, hiding, hidingbehind fakeness, hiding behind a
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veneer, and I wrote about thisin the book that I have coming
out.
But like I'll just, I'm gonnajust say it again here.
Let me start by making the point, because I don't want to do
gobbledygook, because what I sawwhen Jay-Z took that microphone
by a master orator, someone who, when he's talking to me
(18:39):
through his music a peon, aplebe he speaks extremely
clearly and condescendingly.
I saw him get up there and bescared and speak gobbledygook.
He said he was nervous.
Now he said it out his ownmouth.
So I'm not I'm not projectingnervousness on him, but I saw
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someone who I know to bepowerful when he feels himself
to be powerful.
To be clear, when he feelshimself to be powerful, I felt I
saw that person not be powerful.
I saw that person stumble overhis words and I saw that person
choke on the main message, whichis that this shit is fucking
(19:25):
racist.
I saw that.
I saw that with my fucking eyesand that's why I cannot watch
the Grammys, that's why I can'twatch the Oscars, that's why I
look away when they show Jay-Zin the owner's suite at a
football game, because I hateseeing my heroes be small.
I saw him be small.
I saw him not say the thing.
(19:47):
I'm not even going to read allthis gobbledygook because it's
fucking gobbledygook.
There's nothing meaningful inhere.
This is what he had to say.
I'm not going to read itbecause it's gobbledygook.
I listened to it and, josh, Ieven feel what you're saying.
I liked it.
He got up there and wanted tosay the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, I just read it.
Yeah, you exactly, I just readit.
I didn't actually watch it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I didn't watch it.
He got up there and he did notsay the thing he said.
Oh, he talked around it.
He says.
He says he says it's subjectivebecause you know it's music and
it's opinion-based.
But you know some things, youknow I don't want to embarrass
this young lady, but she hasmore Grammys than everyone and
never won album of the year.
(20:31):
So even by your own metrics,that doesn't work.
Think about the most Grammysnever won album of the year.
That doesn't work.
Some of you some of you goinghome tonight and I feel like
you've been robbed, some of youmay get robbed, ha ha ha.
Some of you, don't excuse me,some of you don't belong in
there.
Like, he talks around it andaround it and around it.
He makes it a Beyonce issue.
I'm sorry, but I don't care ifBeyonce wins a Grammy Like,
(20:56):
because if it's about Beyonce,she don't need it Like.
But if it's about the thing,then I care.
If it's about, this is fuckingracist, this is white supremacy.
Like, if Taylor Swift winsalbum of the year, every time
she puts out an album andBeyonce goes home empty handed,
(21:19):
that is telling you this shit isfor white people.
Was that clear what I just saidyes, like what you just said,
what I just said?
Was that clear?
Yeah, why can't Jay-Z say thatLike and I'm and I'm, I'm I'm
not being facetious and I'm notbeing bombastic to make a point,
I'm being dead ass.
Now, of course, I know thereason why he can't because he's
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in a room full of people whoseopinions matter to him.
When he talks to me on theblueprint, when he talks to me
on 444, when he talks to me onthe black album, he doesn't care
what I think about him.
But in that room he's in a roomfull of people's people whose
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opinions matter to him.
He does, he's doing the, and ithurts, it singes my fucking
eyeballs because he's doing thesame dance that I remember doing
at Google.
I met Jay-Z.
I've said this before.
I met Jay-Z.
After Jay-Z and Beyonce'sconcert at whatever the big ass
stadium is in MetLife, I want tosay I go to a party at Dumble
(22:31):
House afterward, small party,jay-z, beyonce, khaled Questlove
I forgot who else was there.
Oh, no, I don't Zoe Kravitz andher mama, that ass.
Okay, me and me not as this,like, not as I'm speaking now.
(22:52):
Me six years ago, very broke,very much wearing the same
outfit every day.
I've never been like a timidperson, but more in a shell.
Okay, my manager brings me into,if you know, dumble House.
(23:12):
There's the balcony outsidesummertime.
So we outside on the balconysmall party not a very lively.
One of the folks I justmentioned and let's say in their
dates, so not Zoe Kravitz, shewas there by herself with her
mama, that was her date.
My manager comes and gets me,he walks me into the main dining
area.
He walks me over to the.
There's somebody by the food,so tall man by the food,
(23:36):
grabbing right off the plates,coming out of the kitchen.
My manager takes me over there.
He says yo, you always buy thefood.
It's Jay-Z.
He's sitting.
My manager says Jay, I'mStarstruck, I don't.
I mean like I've been Starstruckprobably three times in all of
this.
It was meeting Jay-Z, it wasmeeting Kanye West and it was
(23:57):
meeting Kim Kardashian, just bythe sheer magnitude of their
fame, like just by knowing thatwhen you are around them you're
sort of like at point, central,ground zero, of like American
obsession.
Okay, especially those othertwo.
(24:17):
Take his hand and it's tall guyman, like he's like a tall
limber, 50 year old at thatpoint I guess, and his eyes are
piercing through my eyeballs.
Okay, this is a powerful person, I see and feel, someone who I
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believe has a thousand wattsinside them.
Is that a lot?
I don't even know 10,000,50,000, whatever.
That is not the person that Isaw standing on that stage at
the Grammys and I just don'tunderstand why.
Why are you so powerful whenyou stand it, when you're
shaking my hand, but so nervouswhen you have something real and
(25:07):
honest that you know is trueinside you, to say, in front of
the people who are actuallyimplicated, in front of the
people who are actually the oneswho are not voting for your
black wife to win this award?
And what it does to me is it?
It can make you feel likeyou're staring into the abyss
(25:32):
when you just are like, damn,there actually are no heroes,
like there is nobody to look upto and I'm not saying Jay-Z was
the one anyway, but like ifJay-Z can't stand on his two
flag, where are we at?
What the fuck happened toGeorge Bush?
Doesn't care about black people?
Like that's clear.
What is all this gobbledygook?
(25:55):
Like what is all thisgobbledygook?
I'm so lost, I'm like I'myelling.
Damn it, put that in the reeland I'm yelling because I know
exactly where it's gone.
The Grammys for Jay-Z is rollout to the Super Bowl.
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Like he works with RogerGoodell, he works with Jerry
Jones.
Those are his counterparts.
You know what I'm saying.
I say whatever I want becausethese are the people I hang out
with.
Like you know what I'm saying.
Like when I go say what I gottasay in DC, like I'm maybe
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looking at a room full of peoplewho are never gonna be like
well, I don't think the Grammysare actually racist.
Jay's gonna go sit next toJerry Jones.
He's gonna go sit next.
He's probably.
He's guys, he's probably gonnabe within arm's length of Taylor
Swift at the Grammys.
Okay, like when I say I said itso well, when I say on that red
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carpet, all of this shit and allof these people are compromised
.
This is what I'm talking about.
What he stood up there and didwas a compromise.
It was a negotiation.
He didn't say, he didn't standand say the thing.
He didn't just say the thing,and he's so good when he wants
to and he feels clear and hefeels safe.
(27:26):
He's so good at saying thething.
But he was shook.
I don't like seeing Jay-Z shook.
I don't like it and I'm sadbecause the guy who was really
the guy who really knew how todo this is totally lost now.
Kanye West.
(27:47):
He's completely in outer spaceright now.
He's the one like he startedthis.
He made this a thing, going onthat stage and doing the thing
he started.
A 10 year we're on like year 10of a decade long might be more
than that of a decade long.
Taylor Swift pity party as acountry because of what Kanye
(28:11):
West did to her when she waslike 20 years old, maybe younger
I don't know how old she wasshe looks the same, I don't know
.
So who's left?
I mean, I literally was goingin my head today.
I was like I was trying tothink of who's the artist that
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actually would have stood onthat stage and said the thing
okay, jarrod Carmichael kind oftried to do it, can't really do
it as the host.
Okay, like you can't, like youcan really kill the vibe if you
spend the whole night trying totalk that shit.
Like it has to be a moment andI'm like who is the artist who
could do it?
(28:54):
Kendrick won't even show up forthis kind of thing.
It's definitely not gonna beDrake.
Tyler the creator comes to mind.
But like Tyler the creatorcomes to mind Rihanna, it's not
Beyonce.
Like, who is willing to forfeitjust a little bit of love from
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wealthy white people to havemore?
Oh, this gotta go in the realFuck.
I gotta say it again now who iswilling to?
I'm sorry I'm writing in frontof you guys, but this is
important because this needs tobe said and I need to promote
the show.
Who is the artist, who is theperson who is willing to forfeit
(29:44):
the love and admiration ofwhite people and wealthy white
people Just a little bit of it?
Like, just a little bit?
Who is willing to give up justa little bit of love and
admiration from white people forthe love of their own fucking
people?
(30:04):
Like, who will do it?
And when Kanye West did it, itsent this man on a fucking
tailspin that I believe he isstill on to this moment.
Like, my dream is that I wantthe Chiefs to win the Super Bowl
because I root for the BlackQuarterback patching my homes.
I also just root.
I root to all right, I'm doingsports now.
(30:24):
I root to see.
I like feeling like I'm seeingand being a part of something.
That's the greatest, and that'swhat I feel.
When I see Pat Mahomes playfootball, I'm like, ooh, he has
a chance to pass Tom Brady.
That's awesome.
I love feeling like I'm.
I mean, I'm obviously not apart of it, but I'm here in
culture, I'm in the world whileit's happening.
I love that we did do a quickLeBron side swipe here.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Of course somehow somehow I don't know how you're
about to do this.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, because what I know about the LeBron fan is
this by the way, guys, I startedas a LeBron fan okay, I did.
When he got into the league, Iwas on board, I was like, ooh,
this is the shit.
And then I realized this is thepragmatist in me.
I think LeBron fans are veryunrealistic people.
(31:15):
Which is why they are willingto go for the LeBron marketing
machine is because they'd liketo be led somewhere that, even
if it's not real.
I thought LeBron was on his wayto being the goat and when it
became apparent that that's notgonna happen he's not the one I
was like, oh, I'll take an offramp here.
(31:37):
Like I'm good, it's cool, likeit's still cool, but it's not
the best.
Pat Mahomes seems to be on theroad to being the best and if
it's not gonna work out, I willbe willing to admit oh, it
didn't work out.
I'm not gonna do what LeBronfans are doing right now, which
is trying to bend the truth andhistory around the thing that
(31:59):
they saddled up for like sixyear olds as adults to hope and
hold on to this idea that thisavatar for themselves became the
goat.
It just didn't happen.
That's it.
Back to Pat Mahomes, here's whatI want to happen.
I want the Chiefs to win theSuper Bowl.
(32:20):
I want Travis Kelsey to be theSuper Bowl MVP.
I want Taylor Swift to come andfind him on the field.
Travis bends down on one knee,he holds up a $300,000
(32:42):
engagement ring with a sponsoron it, and then I want Taylor
Swift to unzip her bodysuit andunderneath her it was Kanye the
whole time.
And then he comes back to usand this was like this was his
whole magic trick.
(33:03):
This whole fucking time wasthat he was going to pull the
ultimate deception on us, whichis to walk in a white woman's
skin, to feel what it is to beloved, the way that the white
woman is loved in this country,all the way to the highest
pinnacle moment of thatadoration, like winning Grammy,
(33:26):
you know, album of the Year, youknow doing it again to Beyonce,
getting the big athlete, superBowl MVP, to propose to you.
And then he comes out and he'sKanye West.
And then everybody turns on himand it's just like I just think
it would be such a fantastictrick of artistry to show how
(33:47):
quickly, how fast, this countrywould go from loving the fuck
out of the person in that suitto hating them with the ferocity
of a million, gazillionthousand sons in an instant.
That's what I pray will happen.
I think I have a shot, allright.
I don't know, though, becausepeople are saying Kanye got a
BBL and Taylor Swift definitelydon't have a BBL.
(34:09):
Okay, now you guys want to seeme be scared.
I'm just going to read aheadline.
It's on my docket.
You know what you want me toread?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You're scared.
Oh no, you're scared, you'rescared.
I'm just going to read aheadline.
There's one headline on thisdocket.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I'm literally just going to read the headline.
You sent this to me, though Iwill not.
I know I did.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I will not.
I don't you know what.
I'm just going to read theheadline.
It says are you scared Morgan?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No, read the headline .
Speaker 1 (34:37):
It says New York governor Kathy Huckle, shout out
.
Just got to know a New York NewYork governor Huckle, by the
way.
Oh, thank you, Shout out.
Kathy Huckle says $183 millionof compensation will be paid to
Holocaust victims and theirheirs.
Hate has no home in New York.
Must be nice, all right, movingon.
(35:05):
Uh right, killer Mike gotarrested after the Grammys.
You want to know another way toknow that we are not invited to
the party?
It's like when you win Grammysand then you get arrested.
Citizens arrest after theGrammys.
I don't even know.
Does anybody know?
(35:25):
Oh, I do know.
It says you put it here.
He was overzealous withsecurity.
Well, yeah, yes and I've heardpeople talk about this.
He said he was overzealous withsecurity.
This guy just won three Grammysawards and walked out arrested
by a fucking citizens arrest.
Okay, and I it's like betweenthis and Will Smith winning his
(35:46):
award and then being banned fromthe show for the next decade.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's just, guys, it's just like Will Smith did
something else.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
He did, he assaulted somebody.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
He smacked somebody.
I was sitting there, I was likehold up, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I'm not trying to reinvent his, but it's like.
This is what I mean, y'all.
Okay, it's just like sometimesit's just a party you're not
invited to.
I've had some meltdowns inpublic areas.
I've had some bad moments at aparty.
(36:25):
I get to think of oneparticular bad moment on a party
bus and the reason for it wasbecause I went with friends
somewhere that I was notsupposed to be, like I and I'm
not.
Now I'm not even talking aboutrace.
This is in college, so likeit's all niggas.
(36:47):
But okay, I'll just.
I'll tell the story a littlebit, why not?
So we lived in Cascade.
I lived with three of my guys,um, three dudes living in a
house, townhouse in Cascade.
That's like West Atlanta, maybe15 minutes from the school.
Um, gated townhome, commitcommunity.
This is how cheap Atlanta wasat the time Gated, gated
(37:09):
townhome community.
I believe the four of us livedin there and paid something like
3000 to $3,500 a month for thewhole place.
The four of us big ass houseNow at that time show.
Here's a quick plug because Ihave my new sub stack love
(37:30):
project that's coming out onValentine's Day.
Link is in my bio.
At that time me and aparticular ex girlfriend, were
in a point of static in our onagain, off again relationship
and we I think that was probablythe worst this was our senior
year of college.
(37:50):
I think that was probably theworst of us Trying to hurt each
other, like not physically,emotionally, like trying to
trying to like kind of throw ourweight around and be make shows
of ourselves dating otherpeople and just like just be
hurtful.
It was a mess.
(38:11):
And one day I'm in my house withmy guys and a party bus,
literally that none of us knewwas coming, pulls up in front of
our.
Imagine you're just sitting inyour house in a gated community.
Party bus pulls up in front ofthis house and on said party bus
is there are 30 women from ourcollege and three or four guys
(38:38):
on the party bus.
They're dancing, they'retwerking, they're drunk, like
everybody's having a blast, andone of my boys I guess he like
went out to put the trash outand the party bus pulls up and
he runs back in the house andhe's like don't put clothes on,
just come outside.
So we all like rush our clotheson, we come outside, we're
(38:58):
about to get on this party bus,because of course we're going to
get on the party bus and aswe're getting on the party bus,
I realized what the party bus is.
It is my ex girlfriend and her30 line sisters are having
they're having a party bus night.
So as I'm getting on the bus,it occurs to me this is a bad
bus to get on, even though itlooks like an amazing bus to get
(39:22):
on.
You know what I mean.
It's like just imagine whateveryour favorite.
I don't.
I'm trying to like, if youreally love chocolate chip
cookies.
Imagine a bus of chocolate chipcookies pulls up in front of
your house.
You're like, oh, I got to geton this.
I put my exes on the bus withthe chocolate chip cookies.
Get on the bus and this dudewho I was cool with but, like um
(39:46):
, sits down next to me Exgirlfriend, comes over, plops
down right on top of him andstarts giving a lap dance right
next to me.
And I am in a in college, like Iwasn't fully socialized yet as
an adult.
My frontal lobe had notcompletely formed at that point
(40:07):
in time and I was the type ofperson who, like um, who, when
incited and said in such a way,like I just let it.
I just like let it flow.
You know what I mean Like I'venever was.
I've never been a violentperson, but I just was.
Like I knew how to make a bigscene and how to make everything
(40:28):
that I felt make everybodyaround me also have to feel that
thing in the moment.
So that's what I did, nofurther details.
That was me getting involved ina party that I wasn't supposed
to be at.
The analogy that I'm makinghere is like, will Smith,
whether or not you are winningan Oscar, you're not actually
supposed to be there.
If you feel that tense in theroom, if somebody can get under
(40:49):
your skin that easily and thatdeeply in that room, like you're
not supposed to be there, justleave.
Like you, I'm sorry, not willSmith, just leave, but I just
mean, like Chad, just get offthe party bus, like, why, like,
why is the allure of these roomsso defining, like such?
(41:09):
I didn't even know there werepodcast awards at the South by
Southwest, but I was so tickledI was like, oh my God, they like
me.
Oh, marketing Transition no, itisn't transition, because okay.
So the list of honorees for,the list of nominees for that
award, for all those awards, theI heart podcast awards, came
(41:31):
out yesterday and I was lookingat that list and I noticed
something.
It's like how I built this withGuy Razz blah, blah, blah with
so and so blah, blah, blah, andthen it says just direct deposit
.
And I'm like, morgan, pleasehold me honest on this from now
on, starting this moment.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Everything is, everything because that's
marketing.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Like they need to see my name because, like I might
not win you know what I mean Imight not get to go up there and
say something crazy.
So like I need they need to seemy name and everything.
Like everything, everything,everything, everything.
I'm pledging it at this moment.
Everything going forward, mylove project will be something
about a stupid doc with ChadSanders.
(42:16):
Okay, all right, that was the.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
that was the segue that made sense, All right
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I watched a video.
I like Clay Thompson.
I watched a video of ClayThompson in the locker room.
Clay Thompson sucks now he'slike, it's like, oh, it's so bad
.
Like when I, even just lookingat his box scores, I'm always
like I think he had eight pointslast night.
He didn't get to finish thegame.
And I watched the video of himthis morning in the locker room
(42:45):
and I am I've never really beenlike a fan of teams in the NBA
like that, like I think like alot of NBA fans, I have favorite
players and whatever teamthey're on, I I rally, and so
Steph Curry is one of myfavorite players ever, and so I
have been behind the Warriorsthis for this whole time, you
know, literally since StephCurry was drafted, I've been,
(43:08):
I've been like I've been aboutthe Warriors, um, which is why I
like Celtics now, because Ilike the players.
I like the Knicks Because I likea couple of the players, but,
um, clay Thompson, like it'sfalling off, the wheels are
falling off.
Like he can't, he just can't doit.
(43:29):
He's just not really goodanymore and he's a starter and
he's a, he's an icon.
He'll probably have a statue infront of that building, in
front of their arena, along withStefan Dremon, I would guess,
at some point.
And after the games, you know,the reporters go to him.
Man like I, I can't even.
(43:52):
I'm not even assigning amorality to this, it's just.
It's just true.
Um, the whole world loves itwhen you don't get down Like.
People love to see someone on afall.
People are, people's eyeballsstick to watching someone who is
falling.
It's a.
It's a.
(44:12):
It's a.
I literally just watched themovie anatomy of a fall Like and
the whole movie is about howthis family unwound and
ultimately spoiler alert haveyou guys seen the movie?
Do you plan to?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Okay, what if you do careers?
It goes for you as well.
Listener, the movie is about adad.
It's nominated for best picture.
It's it is about it's the onlynominee I have seen ever last.
It is about a family of threemom, dad, son, who is 10, 11 ish
(44:50):
and I'm pretty much legallyblind and they're adorable,
phenomenal, um, like Aussieshepherd dog that deserves an
Oscar because the dogs acting isso crazy, like.
I'm like literally blown awayby the dogs.
The dog I'm going to give youall so many spoilers.
At one point in the movie, thelittle boy who's kind of creepy.
(45:13):
In moments he gives the dogAdvil because he wants to see,
like, what will happen to thedog.
And it cuts to the next shot ofthe dog Like the next day dead
and I'm like I know, and I'mlike broken and I'm like I'm so
sad.
(45:33):
I wish I had gone on thatwebsite to see like, does the
dog die?
I think it's called does thedog diecom?
Um, and the babysitterresuscitates the dog and brings
it back to life.
But the dog acts through beingdead to being back to life and
I'm just like, wow, that's amate, like it crushes it, it's
tongue is hanging out and it'slike eyes are bugged out and
then like and then sheresuscitates it and then the dog
(45:55):
is like oh, oh, my God, I'mback, I'm back.
Did I miss anything?
It's crazy, it's such good.
Acting by the dog, um, but themovie.
Oh man, I have like fourminutes left.
I don't care about any of thisother shit.
Okay, yeah, oh, there's nothingelse here.
So the movie is about I haven'teven said what the movie's about
(46:17):
the dad of the family.
He falls from the roof of thehouse.
They're in the.
They're in the French Alps.
There's no other houses around,like.
They live like way out.
It's beautiful setting, butit's just like it's so isolated.
He falls from the roof of thehouse, cracks his head, dies,
(46:40):
and the boy and the dog comingback from a walk.
The dog like helps the boy goon walks because he's blind and
they find him.
Boy yells for his mama, mama,mama, mama comes out, sees the
man.
The whole movie is about tryingto decipher whether or not he
jumped, whether or not heslipped or whether or not she
pushed his ass out the window.
(47:00):
And another spoiler alert youdon't get the answer at the end,
which I kind of hate, but itleaves you to theorize, and
there are many believabletheories as to how this happened
.
At one point and this is stillmy working theory I think the
mom really resents the dadbecause he was watching the kid
(47:24):
when the kid was blinded and Ithink the kid also kind of
resents the dad for that and Ithink the kid and the mom know
what happened to the dad.
It goes through court.
It goes through.
There's publicity around it.
The mom and the dad are bothwriters, but he's like a
self-sabotaging, can't actuallylike put his foot out the door
writer and she's a verysuccessful writer.
(47:44):
So there's like there'sconflict about childcare and how
he has to kind of like takecare of the kid all the time
because she's successful andworking on her career.
It's a good movie longest fuck.
It's two and a half hours.
It could have been an hourshorter.
At one point I'm watching themovie they're speaking English
because the mom's German, thedad is French, so they speak
(48:04):
English to like come to middleground.
But at certain points it's likeall in French and there's no
subtitles on it.
I'm just like am I justsupposed to just like be vibing
with this?
Am I supposed to just likeguess?
So then I turned on thesubtitles so I could read what
they were saying.
But anyway, anyway, why am Ieven talking about this?
Oh, clay Thompson, because ClayThompson is.
(48:25):
I have one minute left.
He's falling and people love towatch a fall, like people love
to see a champion, someone whoused to black out and get 60
points on 11 dribbles.
They love to see that persondefeated.
And you can see it all overClay's body that he is defeated
(48:49):
right now.
He's like I, it must.
I mean, I got to imagine it'sso painful to just watch
yourself not be able to do whatyou could do as a one out of, as
a one out of one.
Truly Like what Clay can do.
Steph is a better shooter,steph is a greater player, steph
has handle and vision and allthese other things.
(49:11):
But like what Clay could do,which is just come off screens
and knocked out like can 10threes without dribbling the
ball that he is one of one atthat thing.
Nobody else had that.
Ray Allen didn't have that,reggie Miller didn't have that.
Like.
That's Clay.
He can't do it anymore and he'sbroken.
But I saw something that I sawhim say, something that I
(49:33):
admired so much.
He's my least favorite of thethree big three warriors, but he
said something that I admiredso much.
When this reporter is just likecamera in his face, microphone,
tell me about how much it sucksto be you, tell me about how
much it sucks to be you.
He just kept saying it.
And you see, often in thesemoments you see a lot of aging
superstars in the NBA.
(49:54):
Their response a lot of timesis defiance.
A lot of times their responseis you know, I still believe in
myself, I still know I can doyada, yada, yada.
I still blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And at some point in this video, clay says he says I accept
Like, I accept this, like this.
He kind of like.
He lets his shoulders down.
(50:15):
You see it on his face and he'stelling the reporter like bro,
you know this sucks Like, and hejust says, like, I accept this.
This is what it is at thispoint and I think that's
powerful.
I think we spend a lot of timeresisting what is so and like
(50:37):
what is definitively so aboutourselves in some ways, and I
value I think once you acceptwhat is so for yourself, you
find clarity and conviction andpurpose somewhere else Is my age
(50:58):
.
I'm going through somethinglike that right now.
I talk a lot of shit about FuckHollywood, fuck Hollywood, fuck
Hollywood, but I still get atinge.
I still get a twinge or 10.
I don't know, I still get apang of jealousy, resentment,
(51:20):
sadness when I see Damn so andso God, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm going through I think Itold more than this recently.
Like I am finding acceptance in, like, what I'm really supposed
to be doing and I would like toget there quickly so that, like
, I can really do that thingwith the like, with the purpose
(51:42):
and the passion that it deservesand requires.
That's what I'm trying to dohere.
So, come on, okay, that's it.
Live show is Thursday.
This Thursday, washington DC.
Six tickets remain right.
These tickets will be sotempting for me to stop
promoting now because we'realmost done.
But fuck it, I want to go allthe way to zero and okay, bye.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Now, after being released, we'll call on God to
check on these tickets.
Oh, that's fine.
(52:28):
Love you too.
Love you too.
We love you too.
Thanks for watching, guys.
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