On this episode, Chad recaps the DC live show, reviews Usher's Superbowl performance, questions the data that may support the representation of mixed race people in advertisements, and reflects on being the third wheel to an IT couple like Jason Kelce is to Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift.
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I Work it.
We started.
Are you starting the show hejust brought us in?
Oh my god, what were you gonnasay?
Go ahead and say it out, holdon.
(00:22):
All right, it's nothing withanarchy, we're just having a
conversation.
Here's, this is the.
This is all I want to say aboutthat, but I do want it to be
set on record because I want Iwant it to be.
I Want to be able to look backon this moment.
I I believe that 10 years fromnow, or even seven or five,
morgan will still be anextremely kind person and a fun
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hang, and I think Morgan isgoing to be the boss of
everybody.
I think she's gonna beextremely sharkish.
I think she's gonna be reallyrich.
I think she's going to, I thinkshe's going to bully some of
the people in this industry andplay and play hungry, hungry
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hippos and bumper cars, becauseBecause I just think that's part
of who she is, that is, that is.
I started to set it briefly atthe live show, but I think that
underlies, like a person who hasa really big smile and it's so
nice to everybody and it's sofun and all these other things.
Like you're also competitiveand you're not gonna like You're
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not gonna be cool watchingpeople dumber than you bully
other people and take all themoney in this game.
You're gonna be like, oh, I'msmarter than them, I'm more
talented them, I have moreenergy than them, I'm more
magnetic than them.
Give me all of this and I, andI'm just I.
I feel lucky that I'm gonna beable to watch it happen over
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these next 10 years like cuz I,I, you know, anyway, I.
Do you want to say anything tothat Morgan?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
No sharkish though sharkish.
That's such a negativeconnotation.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I know, but you just said, you just called me a
villain.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Origin story.
That doesn't always necessarilymean villain.
And you agreed.
You said I do?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I know what you mean.
Yes, that my villain originstory is clear.
It is, I think, like you, I ama naturally I Like, want to give
people what they asked for.
Like I want to give people, Iwant to help people, I want to
mentor people, I want to Getpeople unblocked by whatever is
blocking them.
And I feel like I didn'trealize seven or eight years ago
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that People will not give youreciprocity for that.
People will.
They'll just be like, oh great,free shit.
And they'll just like it's likethe free stuff out of an event.
Like people just like, oh, freeshit.
And they take extra.
They take 10 more than theyneed.
They eat 15 pigs in a blanketwhen they can only really eat
five and they're gonna vomitlater because it's free.
(02:58):
So, and I can name names, but Iwon't because I'm not Monique or
Kat Williams yet, but I Just, Idon't know every moment of this
.
So we're in some of the liveshow.
Let's have a live show realquick, because it this is this
dovetails with the fun of all ofthis.
(03:19):
Like I Know some people reallylove money.
I know some people really loveor Are obsessed with the
internet.
I know some people really lovethe sound of their own voice.
I have I have tastes for all ofthose things, but the fun of
this really is the human beingpart of it for me.
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I Felt I Was really now.
I was nervous for like thefirst six minutes of my spilling
on that day, but I never for amoment felt nervous about the
execution and I meant to saythis in the room.
But I feel like, even if I had,you would have just been like
moving along Chad.
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But like that's because of you,because I, because I knew that
you had it, I knew you had myback, I knew you had everything,
anything that, any balls thatwere dropped I didn't even get
to know about them because youpicked them up and fixed it.
I still don't know about themif any happened, if any occurred
.
Like you, I just knew, I knew Iwould be Safe to do my part and
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I, and then I knew I could domy part because I had that
safety, the people part.
I felt so happy that Tia, our DJfrom our live show, was with us
because she brings a differentelement.
She made, I think she makes itfeel.
In a way she makes it feel likeNew York, like I think she's
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like.
I mean she first of all likeI'm.
This is not a show.
Tia is, is noticeable, okay,she's like six feet tall, she's
a model, she has big afro andLike she's a DJ.
So so there's a, there's alevel of Noticeability and power
she has over a room that Ithink also adds to the element.
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The room itself we're talkingabout the DC live show which was
at Shanklin Hall.
The room itself and and this isso cool because I haven't
gotten to experience this thelaunch party was a different
thing.
It was a party.
I Now understand something thatI haven't really felt, probably
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since college, maybe when weprobated or like basketball in
high school, but I I don't thinkI forgot just as much as I got
out of touch with how much theaudience in a live venue is a
part of the show.
Yeah, which included people,you know, kind of humming in
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agreement to things that they.
That really meant something tothem, people Laughing at certain
moments, people not laughing atcertain moments.
One of my friends was in therekind of heckling me, like
basically heckling, and hehimself is a stand-up comic and
that added an element because italmost I didn't notice him so
(06:15):
much as my boys told me about itlater, but like that is
probably good practice.
One day there will be a realheckler somewhere that I'm doing
this show, someone who reallydoesn't feel what we talk about
in this show.
And I found it so Energizingfor me up I was standing on a
couch for most of the night.
I found it so energizing for meas the, as the storyteller, as
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the conductor of the room, thatI Probably went about 25%
Spicier than usual and morerevealing than usual.
Yeah, and that's because of theintimacy of the setting and
also I was looking out to acrowd of Including staff,
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probably 60-ish people in arelatively small venue who
Listen with every single one ofmy people at some point or
another.
This is just the kind of personthat I am.
Maybe this is normal.
At one point or another, me andanother person, me and almost
everybody else in that room haveyelled in each other's faces
(07:25):
Okay, not you, when that willprobably.
Maybe that will happen one day.
I think it will happen as youtake your more sharkish arc and
you're just like you and you're.
I think your point of view isvery, very, very strong.
But I think, as you like, justbecome more monstrously.
Morgan, like the Morgan monster.
(07:46):
I think you're gonna just startbeing like no, like that, it's
gonna be like that, and thenmaybe we'll do this or maybe
I'll just be like damn, morgansaid, do it like that.
But these are the people who Ihave.
There were so many people inthat room.
There were obviously strangersin the room.
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There were fans of the show inthe room.
There were Morgan fans in theroom.
There were people that I don'tknow, but there were a lot of
people in that room who I'veknown since six, seven, eight,
1516, 21, 22.
These are the people who's whoI have formed myself around.
We have found a shorthand andwe have different points of view
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and different perspectives, butwe share some values.
We share Something that matters.
Oh, I sold the audience to shutup so many times in the room.
That was really fun.
I really enjoyed that part.
Um, I think we're gonna keepthat in the show.
What am I trying to say?
Here's what I'm trying to say,and then I'm gonna move on,
because this is not the openingsegment, so bear with me.
It felt so different than beingin a room full of people in this
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industry.
To me it felt like a room fullof people that have real lives,
real values, real Families, realRelationships, real problems,
who don't live their lives inthe ego sphere Entirely, who
don't live their lives entirelychecking who's googled them in
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the last 20 minutes, or how muchcompany, how much money their
company made in the last 20minutes, or how many clicks they
got on their last post.
It was like I See why peopletore, because you get away from
like, what do, what do peoplethink about me on the internet?
And you see and feel, what dothey actually?
What are they getting out ofwhat you're giving them in real
life?
And Every face that I saw,including my parents, which was
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a big thing for me, it was a bighurdle to clear here.
They were nodding along, theywere mm-hmming Okay, they were
laughing About howembarrassingly Gross this
industry is, and that's a fardeparture from what I get from
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people in my industry for themost part around how I use my
voice, which is a whole lot ofbe careful.
A whole lot of ooh like, are yousure you want to say that?
Like that, a whole lot of fear.
Like that's what.
That is what entertainment,hollywood, the internet.
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Like fear is the.
That's the trading language.
Like, fear is the fear is thecommodity, and that's how things
move around.
People use fear to make youstay in line, do your job as it
serves them, pay your commission.
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They make you afraid of theboogeyman.
They make you afraid thatthere's somebody out there
that's going to crush your thingIf you don't do it exactly how
they want it.
And it was so good for me toget to go see real people that I
actually care about, who arenot scared for me, they're
excited for me.
They're like go do it, say it.
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I asked some people after theshow.
I was like, hey, at some point,me and Morgan are going to have
to have conversation about whatshould I cut out of this thing
before we put it on Patreon orwherever it's going?
And they were like I don'tthink you need to cut anything.
These are my real people, likethis is my mom, this is my
sister, these are my, these aremy, these are my friends.
That if I've run into one ofthese people in real life and
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God forbid, but I just I knowthese niggas, it's never going
to happen.
But, like God forbid, I wentinto, ran into one of these
people with the chicklet teethand they actually wanted some
kind of action.
These are the people that wouldtake a flight and they're the
ones saying I think you're good,say it, do it.
So, unfortunately for Morgan, Inow feel emboldened to be more
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specific, more literal, morehonest, more forthcoming,
because I got to see the people,the real people, like we're
doing something.
You know there's an adage aboutlike creating the world that
you want to live in and I think,sphere by sphere by sphere, we
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are.
That's happening.
Tj told me.
He called me after we talkedfor an hour about the show,
about the live show, and hetells me, like TJ sees, he sees
people and environments incolors, and he said he said that
that you know we talked aboutthe color of the room being very
golden, everybody in that roomfeeling I mean for one, the
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lights were gold, but like also,people in the room felt full,
like they felt safe, they wereable to be seen.
We saw Louise came out fromcollege.
She looked amazing, she was,she was in an amazing form of
herself, she was, her energy wasfantastic.
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Dorian Hassan, theo Ashile,brandon, david Atkinson, like
there were people in the roomwho felt full.
Leon came from Los Angeles.
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So I don't know, I just wantmore of this.
I want to make more of this.
I'm out now.
I mean the cat's out of the bag.
I'm talking about it in public,I'm talking about it on phone
calls.
I'm looking for somebody tocome in as a backer with money
to partner here, to help pay forall this, so that we can like,
so that we can grow it, so thatwe can pay it, so we can
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actually pay a team, so that themarketing budget doesn't come
out of my piggy bank.
We're doing something here, sowe're going to keep doing it.
All right, who cares?
I am dressed in this colorbecause the only other shirt
that I have with this colorscheme it has a bunch of broken
hearts on it and this is like aValentine's Day episode and I
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didn't want to have that kind ofvibe for Valentine's Day.
It just didn't feel right.
Also, now's probably a good timeto mention I am starting a
sub-stack.
It is called Bonfire.
The first project on thatsub-stack will be my exploration
of All Things Love.
I'll be quick about thisbecause I'm going to dovetail
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this right into you guessed it?
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey.
And then we're going to talkabout the Super Bowl, but this
is a project that is anexploration of All Things Love.
It is going to be a verycommunity-based and led project,
which means, as people migrateinto this sub-stack, into this
short form or short, what am Itrying to say?
Short hand dialogue with mearound love.
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I'm going to be doingexplorations in my own life, in
Q&As, in interviews, in popculture, in stories that come up
around love, and I'm going tobe using this sub-stack as a
place to have a circle of peoplewho are talking about having
this conversation together withme, as sort of the conduit, and
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you can go to the link in my bioright now if you want to sign
up for the email list for it,but it will literally be live
tonight.
It technically launchestomorrow, but you'll be able to
go subscribe to it tonight ifyou want to do that.
I put up a question yesterdaythat said something like ask me
a question about love, and Ihave like 30 questions in that
question box right now the mostthat I have probably gotten for
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anything that I've put onInstagram to say ask me
questions.
Valentine's Day I want to speakto.
I think this is a large groupof people.
Valentine's Day can be prettyrough, even if you are in a
relationship.
Holidays are rough, often forpeople.
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I think it's because they markthese moments in time throughout
a year where you are almostbeing led or forced to take
stock of yourself.
I think comparison is the thief.
Of joy is the thing I think onthese holidays.
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They encourage us to weighourselves against.
Whatever it is that we'resupposed to be, wherever we're
supposed to be, on Valentine'sDay, you're supposed to be in
love, which is not the case foralmost everybody who is in or
out of a relationship.
On Valentine's Day, you'resupposed to want to be around
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the person you're in love with,which is unusual.
On Valentine's Day, you aresupposed to spend money, which a
lot of people don't have.
That's what the marketing tellsyou, that's what the stories
tell you, that's what the movieshave told us, that's what we
tell each other, that's whatyour fucking annoying ass
Instagram photos tell us.
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My least favorite kind is thekind from the person not in a
relationship who feels a need toInstagram a rose or a box of
chocolates or something elsenice that someone sent them who
they don't feel comfortablehaving on a photo on their grid
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with them or in their socialavatar sphere, because that is
completely and entirely justabout saying I'm good enough
that someone wanted to send methis.
I wish you would say the thingthat it actually says, which is
that I feel bad today.
Sorry, it's a rough holiday.
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It can be.
It can be If the pressure ofthe moment is so stacked up,
sorry.
There's some of y'all out therewho are going to have a very
lovely Valentine's Day and Ijust want to hold space for you
guys.
You guys, you're the bomb.
You did it For almost everybodyelse, and I'm including people
in relationships.
Man, have I been in arelationship on so many
Valentine's Days?
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And it is like one of the least50 enjoyable days of that year
in that relationship, becauseit's just like what are we
supposed to be doing today?
Are we supposed to have sextoday, I guess?
So it's almost like sex as ahomework assignment is not
awesome.
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Are we supposed to go to dinnertoday?
Are we supposed to go to themovies today?
Are we supposed to hold handsdoing the thing?
Are we supposed to?
It's like it's all of that.
It's all of that.
What doesn't help is TaylorSwift and Travis Kelsey.
The Super Bowl happened acouple of days ago.
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We'll get to that, but TravisKelsey won.
Travis Kelsey won.
Oh my God, look at me.
The cheats won.
Travis Kelsey played.
Okay, pat Mahomes played Bminus for Pat Mahomes, but he
was the Super Bowl MVP.
Pat Mahomes, I don't know whatelse does I mean.
Like Pat Mahomes is he's it,he's the guy.
Like he's, that's that.
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Come on y'all.
We've talked about this.
Okay, that's what.
Looking like the goat looks like.
You cannot compare that to theBraun James experience.
Victor Wimbin Yama looks wellpositioned to be on his way to
some go-dishness.
Like.
There's so many things thathave to fall into place for him.
He has to have the right team,he has to have the right coach,
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he has to have the, he has towin a certain amount, he has to
stay healthy, et cetera, etcetera.
But like man, does he feelprimed for go-dishness?
Honestly, in the same way thatLeBron at the beginning felt
primed for go-dishness.
But Pat Mahomes is doing it?
He is.
That person is exceptional.
That person is it's it's itlooks like the conditions don't
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matter.
It looks like his teammatesdon't matter.
It looks like who's on theother side of the field doesn't
matter, like he's Houdini.
He is, he is MacGyver One wayor another, like he's gonna,
he's going to pull that trophyout from where?
From the, from the, from thegrips of defeat.
After the game and since thegame, there has been a stream, a
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constant stream, of TaylorSwift and Travis Kelsey content.
One of the videos, one of thereels, or I don't know what it
is anymore that has gone viralis Travis and Taylor in a
section at a Vegas nightclub.
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Y'all Vegas looks so not fun tome, like I can't, like I really
like a great party and I'venever seen a Vegas party that
looks like the kind of partythat I like to be at.
That party that they are atlooks so terrible.
It is such a reminder that theyare at their core, not as if we
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need any reminder, not as ifit's not present and evident,
but like they are extremely milk, toast, white, middle Americans
, like that is who they are.
I guess Taylor's from the southtechnically, but like Tennessee
, like it has, you know, it kindof has middle American
influences and they are doingthe thing, kind of doing a two
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step, knowing that people arelooking at them, knowing that
people are taking videos of them.
And it's always much moreapparent for Taylor.
If I'm being honest, it is muchmore apparent that Taylor knows
she is being watched at alltimes than it is for Travis.
And you know it's the footballplayer and the cheerleader, like
that's kind of the image thatyou see there.
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It's the skinny blonde whitegirl, it's the big bearded white
boy and you know they're kindof like two stepping.
He might as well have a BudLight in his hand I don't know
what he's drinking and twostepping I'm using so loosely
but like they're doing you knowthey're moving their bodies in
some, in some order.
He pulls her in for a big kissand the people around them.
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Oh my God, it's such a scene ofgrotesque Hollywood Like
there's like this like 50 yearold looking dude who's like kind
of looks overly tan, like he'sbeen on too many golf courses,
who's like balding and like kindof standing off over the over
the shoulder of Taylor and he'slike he just looks so much like
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an agent or a handler in someway.
It's really guys, it's reallygross.
Okay, and it is to me a reminderof the thing which is like this
is what you all are supposed tobe doing, this is what you,
this is what love looks likethis is what romance looks like.
It looks like two drunken whitepeople on a dance floor
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pretending like they don't knoweverybody else is looking at
them and I think that's likekind of those sorts of images
are where it starts.
And imagine if you're like 13looking at that and you're like,
oh, that's the ideal, likethat's what I'm out here looking
for, that's what I want, that'swhat I want my relationship to
feel like.
How in the world, without suchgreat time, energy and intention
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spent on figuring it out, areyou supposed to actually know
what you're looking to feel whenyou love somebody?
That's what my projects about.
That's a plug, but that's noteven what's interesting to me
about this whole thing, becausethat's not interesting.
They're not interesting.
That's the problem.
They're not interesting,they're so basic.
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It's like this is the whole.
Like I saw that in high schoolOkay, I saw skinny milk toes,
white girl, big, annoying whiteboy.
Like I saw that that's soboring, that's so stale.
We did that already.
How like with all these showstrying to force the idea that
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there's such diversity in ourcountry and everyone is
different, with all these showsdoing it so heavy handed and
like haphazard and okay, now weneed to show about prom on a
reservation, like how do westill end up with the pinnacle
like the peak, most trendingimage of love and of connection
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is still a Viking and acheerleader Like how Okay, what
cares about that?
Here's what actually matters.
Here's who I see and actuallyfeel a little bit sad for.
I wonder if you all will besurprised by this.
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If you watch that video longenough, it pans over to Jason
Kelsey, which is Travis's olderfat brother.
He has on a superhero costumeand he is dancing.
I got to keep putting these inquotes.
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He's in the DJ booth.
He's standing there amongst allthe Vegas bros.
Vegas looks so not funny Alland he is like kind of like
drunkenly just like boppingaround.
There's another video where yousee Taylor and Travis and
there's all these click, click,click, click, click, click,
click and you know Travis.
I will give to him that he is.
I think he's a fairly goodlooking dude, like he's.
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He's like kind of like big andbroad shouldered and he's nimble
and like.
I think I think he has likenice looking eyes and whatever.
Whatever Taylor is Taylor like.
I don't need to even weigh inbecause you all have decided she
is like peak, white girl,attractive or something like
that you all, not nobody in thisroom and probably not anybody
out there.
But they walk in, surrounded byhandlers and cameras, and behind
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them again comes drunken,sloppy, jason Kelsey, who has
made so many headlines and so,and so many clicks and so many
views of him just being drunken,crazy over the top, outrageous,
brother to Travis duringTravis's really truly during
Travis's ascension from likeTravis now transcends football.
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It's not, it's never going tobe about football again.
For Travis Kelsey, football isnow the second thing that will
be on Travis Kelsey's Wikipediapage.
It doesn't, it just doesn'tmatter.
And good for him I mean truly,like literally.
This is good for him becausefootball is almost over for him.
He's going to be out of theleague soon.
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What I see and this is aparticularly shitty place to be
and I have been in this placeand it's so ass Jason Kelsey is
now third wheel to a glamourcouple.
Have you guys ever been in thatposition before?
Have you guys ever been thethird wheel, like sort of like
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the bestie to a couple that yousee is starting to like go off
into the sunset and you'retrying to hold on to your
connection to one of the peoplein that couple because they
matter to you.
Have you ever been in thatposition?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Obviously not to this degree.
I'm trying, I feel like, yes,but I'm trying to like think of
couples, friends that I've hadthat have been like the it.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's very difficult position to be in and I and I
will explain why especially ifyou are also someone who wants
to be, who wants love and like,who wants your own sort of
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measure of notoriety or like whowants to be known for something
yourself, who believes yourselfto be someone interesting.
I see in Jason Kelsey and Idon't think I'm projecting, I
think it's really there.
I see him, he's chasing it.
He's like my brother who wasalways better looking, who was
always cooler, who a couple ofthose black kids are high school
let's say the n-word a fewtimes, I'm speculating who can
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do the dance moves, who alwayshad the pretty girls.
Now he's fucking dating TaylorSwift, who I imagine is probably
his princess queen, the mostunattainable to him, to him, and
he and his brother have apodcast.
He and his brother werestarting to do this ascension
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together and Taylor came in andpicked Travis.
And now I mean, if most of youall who are here now for the
Taylor Swift experience withTravis Kelsey, you weren't there
when this was part of it if youare a football fan, you were
here for this part.
Travis Kelsey was like theunrequited want her of Taylor
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Swift at one point in time.
Did you know that?
He was like going onmicrophones and saying I love
Taylor Swift, I want TaylorSwift to date me.
He, he did it the way peopledream you could do it in media,
which is like you just say Iwant so and so to date me, and
then she appears and all of asudden you guys are together.
He did it like that hisbrother's turning into the rock
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and he's turning into the rock.
If the rock was dating like Idon't know if the rock had been
dating Madonna on the way up orsomething like that and Jason
Kelsey, I have to imagine it isbringing up all the stuff Jason
Kelsey has probably been feelingfor most of his life, which is
man, I'm really good too.
I'm look how good I am atfootball.
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But I'm the center, I'm theoffensive lineman.
I never get to score touchdown.
I never get to run the ball in.
I never get to catch a pass.
I never get to do the coolesttouchdown celebration.
My little brother gets to doall that cool shit.
I like as much as yes, I'm amillionaire and I'm, I have a
voice and Philadelphia fans loveme.
(30:02):
But like and I'm telling y'allbecause you know, I know famous
people.
They be acting the same as theywere acting when they were kids
.
The same stuff makes them mad,the same stuff makes them hurt.
The same, the same stuff comesup in them.
That's why they, that's whythey chase it so hard.
I think this dude is like fuck,my brother is riding off into
the sunset.
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How do I get to stay relevant?
How do I get to stay here onhis like, how do I get to hang
on to his coattails?
And I think he's reaching backinto a bag that is very
uncomfortable and verydehumanizing to yourself, which
is I'm just gonna make a fool ofmyself so people can see me, so
people don't forget that I'mhere.
If I just go throw on a suit ora tux like Travis, or a black
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outfit or whatever, and I justwalk behind them and I'm and I'm
.
You know, I've and I've hadfour beers instead of 27 like
who's gonna even notice me?
Who's gonna even pay attentionto me?
So I'm gonna put on thisdumbass outfit and I'm gonna be
an.
I'm gonna be an idiot, you, andthat's what's gonna keep me
relevant, that's what's gonnamake me.
(31:06):
Ah, my brother just won theSuper Bowl.
Let me imagine that, guys.
My brother just won the SuperBowl.
Let me go put on a superherocostume and dance with the DJ
with like as a as a drunkenidiot.
Those to me, are the tells ofsomebody who is like he's got
everything that I wanted.
What can I like?
What can I have?
(31:27):
And I will say again to groundthis I have felt that.
I have felt the feeling of damn.
I Think I'm pretty good.
How do I get people to notice me?
Like, how do I get people topay attention to what I can do?
And I have even done thatdumbass thing which is like I'll
(31:48):
take the attention.
However I can get it like, Iwill make a fool of myself.
I will.
I Will act out of character.
I will be undignified.
I will do whatever song anddance I have to do for people to
notice me too, because, likeman, I wish I had that other
thing.
All right, whatever, jason andTravis, I'm available to be a
(32:11):
guest on your, on your podcast.
Okay, super Bowl stuff.
All right, morgan was sogleeful about putting this on
the docket that she put it atthe top, and I know a lot of you
are here for this.
So let's, let's just get rightto it.
You're not gonna like it,though You're not gonna like it,
you're gonna double down.
It's not a double down.
I said weeks ago, months ago,probably.
It was when it was announced, soyeah, I said when it was
(32:34):
announced that I did not thinkusher was a great choice for the
Super Bowl, and the reason wasbecause I did not think usher's
catalog was like Super BowlPotent, I didn't think.
I mean, there's a recording ofthis somewhere.
So I'm not even trying toparaphrase what I said because I
don't want y'all to be like.
You actually said this and nowyou're saying this.
Let's just, let's just make itblunt.
(32:54):
I just didn't think he was theright choice.
I didn't think he was a greatchoice for the Super Bowl.
Now, I Thought the Super Bowlshow was and I'm being precise
and I'm being real I thought itwas Pretty good, that was fun.
You know what I mean.
Like I sang along.
I'm not gonna not sing along tousher, if it's on.
(33:15):
I Was in a room, I Was in ahouse with 13 people in it.
All 13 came down to thebasement for the usher part.
I was at Tim and D'alisa's andwhen You're in a room full of
people who are having a goodtime and wanting to enjoy what's
on the screen, you do that likeI'm not a I'm not a robot, guys
(33:36):
, like I'm not.
I'm not an actual villain, eventhough Morgan called me one, if
we're.
If it's an usher party, I'mgonna party.
Like I guys, I'm past the agewhere you Planch your foot in
the ground and have a bad time.
To try to make someone elsehave a bad time Like that
doesn't work.
You just like, if we're having agood time, fuck it, like let's
(33:56):
have a good time.
You know what I mean.
So, but here's what I know.
I Got some I got.
Let me just make it.
I'll say it plain and then I'llwalk back toward it.
Okay, you guys think consensusequals truth.
(34:17):
You guys think that if the restof the people you watch on the
internet and if the rest of thepeople in a room with you Say
something is so, that that meansit's so.
That Super Bowl show was prettygood.
Okay, it wasn't Prince at theSuper Bowl, it wasn't Michael
(34:38):
Jackson at the Super Bowl.
It was pretty good.
I like I didn't say it wasgonna be ass.
You, I, I will find, I'll find,please, please, morgan and if
and if I did, then you need tocut me same.
But I just said and then youneed to reverse the play, the
reverse tape and put it rightnext to it for real.
(34:59):
Okay, but this is all I'msaying to y'all is like this is
this is what I want for all ofus collectively, because this is
very related to the LeBronJames experience and this is
also why I so many of my friendsnot as much as before, but I
Would say for much of my 20s, myfriends Some of them would call
(35:23):
me a hater because, like I Wantan A plus experience, I want to
watch an A plus movie.
I don't want to watch BlackPanther is not an A plus movie.
I'm sorry, guys, it's not thatthat was not an A plus usher
performance, it was about asolid B, that was fun.
(35:47):
You know, I'm saying like a Bis fun, like that's chill.
I Hate to keep doing this, butI gotta do it because it's the
only thing that captures thephenomenon.
We all want to feel like we'rewatching the goat.
We all want that.
We all want to feel like, ohman, the ush.
(36:08):
We are all looking for a goodtime.
We're all looking for to beable to say I saw something
spectacular and something thatwas one of one.
So we watch usher, we have agood time and we're so ready, at
Immediately, as soon as it'sover, to go to the internet and
say that was amazing, becausesaying it was pretty good
(36:30):
doesn't get you any.
It doesn't get you any retweets.
Saying it was pretty good it'snot enough, because you guys got
to out do your other friend whoyou know is gonna say that shit
was fire.
You got to show that it waseven more fire.
It represents me more than itrepresents you.
It was so fire.
It was pretty good.
The LeBron James experience I'vebeen here for it.
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How does it come back to LeBron?
I've been here for it.
It's been really good, but it'snot the best.
Why can't like?
Why can't we do nuance?
Why can't we do gray area?
Why can't we do?
Why can't we do precision, likethe usher thing?
If I said I didn't think it wasa good choice and you said you
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thought it was a great choice,that's a draw to me, because it
was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So let me just understand you correctly.
Right, please?
You are trying.
You're saying that usher'sperformance Is on par with
LeBron James performance.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
No, lebron James performance is above usher's
performance.
Okay, I just because I was likethat's a little why?
No, what I'm trying to say islike, thank you for asking,
because now I can clarify.
I think we all we're in a rushfor these moments.
We are in such a rush to feel amoment Valentine's Day, a
(37:49):
moment.
We want to feel like the thingthat I thought was gonna be dope
.
We also all want to bevalidated on the thing we
thought was gonna be dope.
I was down for LeBron from thebeginning.
No, he's the goal like no, he's.
It's cool to be like I thoughthe was gonna be the best.
He's the second best.
That's a win.
That's awesome.
Um, when this usher thing, it'slike I thought the usher, I was
(38:12):
so excited because I love usher.
It's different than I watchedthe usher show and it was an
all-timer.
It wasn't like it wasn't.
It was.
But I'm not.
You guys think everything ishate.
You guys think precision ishate.
That's why I'm quite.
Honesty is always so flooringto people, because what you're
(38:33):
used to getting is hyperbole.
What you're used to getting isis Is like People saying what
they think they're supposed tosay.
Who among us is now ready to goand say that that performance
was not great.
And I don't mean myself, I justmean someone else who can say
exactly what it was.
(38:53):
Because all like, becauseeverybody is in such a rush to
say that's the dope it shouldever.
That's the dope.
No, pat my homes, that's thedope it should ever.
That's the dope it should ever.
I Was pretty good.
Good job, usher shit.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Was a Brock Purdy performance.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Brock was.
Whatever he was, I mean he was,he was pretty good.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't want to compare usher,right.
I'll say, like usher was likeokay, you know the dude on the
Niners, I think it was JoannJennings who threw a touchdown
caught a touchdown.
It was like that was a good goodshowing.
Joann, I didn't know you can dothat.
(39:33):
That's usher.
Okay, that was usher.
Okay, that's pretty good.
God damn, y'all are so.
Y'all are just so rabid.
You're just so thirsty.
Okay, all right.
Also needs to be note.
This was just a hilarious tweetthat I just like.
I don't even know how anythingto say about it.
It was a tweet.
It says you think God ever gone, give Alicia keys her voice
back.
I know he took it because shestole that lady husband, but
(39:56):
damn, that was like 50 years ago.
That was someone who tweetedthat a year ago, who retweeted
herself to just bring it back upto the top.
Um, I Think voices can just goshot.
I mean, like it's a.
I think you can strain yourvocal cords and that's actually
your reminder that, likeStraining, it's not good.
(40:18):
It's just not good.
Like White people will make youstrain, man, that's all I want
to say.
That's all I want to say.
Um, okay, after this we'regonna me and Morgan are doing to
do oh shit, I can't forget whatI had to say here it is.
I think this is the real.
Okay, all right, whites, goodstart.
(40:47):
This is an honest question.
I just, I want, I want whoknows, I want why I'm addressing
to know I'm addressing them.
Um, white folks, real, realquestion.
Man, I, I am not.
I Think I.
I think I am learning how totread a fine line here, which is
(41:09):
To delve into topics that areWorth while where there's actual
substantive substance andmeaning.
I'm gonna get all this outclear because it needs to be a
real um, without pandering fordirt.
(41:32):
That's not what I'm looking forhere.
I Keep having that lady whocomment I can't.
I wish I didn't read hercomment.
I keep having this lady who waslike I followed this guy
because he was one of myfavorite creators.
Now he's just looking for messand I'm not.
I'm not looking for mess, I'mlooking for precision.
I'm looking for precisionbecause I really want an answer
to this more.
You know where I'm going withthis.
No, okay, this is a realquestion.
(41:53):
Whites, this is a real question.
Whites, do you prefer mixedrace people, specifically
biracial black people, overnon-biracial black people?
I think it's probably the bestway to put that.
(42:14):
Do you?
And I ask because, well, here'swhere the question came from.
I go on Twitter from time totime to check what's trending so
we can know what's being talkedabout in the public sphere.
Setafil is trending and I'mlike setafil.
Why is there a lotion brandtrending right now?
(42:35):
It's because there was a SuperBowl commercial for setafil
where a white dad football fanwearing a jersey is bopping
around the house watchingfootball, doing football stuff,
while his daughter, who is abiracial black girl, is living
in her own world with herheadphones, their phone, just
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like as parents and children areright now.
They're separated because helives in his world, where his
stuff is that he likes, and shelives in her world, where her
stuff is that she likes.
And what brings them togetherand I'm moving quickly through
the commercial, because it'sreally not the point what brings
them together even though theydon't say her name, because they
probably didn't want to, theycouldn't probably afford her for
(43:19):
the commercial is that TaylorSwift is now in the football
sphere, so she's brought thesetwo worlds together, so now
these two can lay on the couchtogether.
She puts her phone down andthey watch football together.
I think there's something elseto be dissected in that
commercial which is like whydoes that little girl have to
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come into his world for them tobond?
Like why, if Taylor Swift hasto bring your daughter into your
world, how much do you actuallyeven want your daughter there?
That's like something for thefather to talk to his therapist
about.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
It's also a super bull commercial.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Super what.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's also a super bull commercial.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I know, I mean understood, but it was trending
for a reason which is because Ithink it resonated with people
and I want to understand.
There's something that I wantto understand.
It is commonly accepted rightnow for guys to make it a big
thing that they connect withtheir daughters, and I just want
to know, like, why is it sohard for y'all to connect with
your daughters?
And I don't have a daughter, soI got no, I got no, I got no
(44:26):
suggestions for you, but I'mjust saying why?
Why do you have to have yourdaughter watch football to
connect with her?
But that's not the point.
Here's the point.
Not the first to make thispoint, but let me say it out
loud.
In the advertising space, itfeels like we are giving a lot
of play to the mixed race family, the biracial children of a
black parent and a white parent,specifically, specifically that
(44:49):
sort of biracial family, mixedrace family, cause I don't want
to act like that's the only waythat a family can be mixed
racially.
This is not new.
This is commonly discussedmostly in, like our more in
easier and safer rooms amongblack folks.
Not to say that theconversation has always had
(45:11):
safely, but it's in safe roomsthat it happens, where we talk
about, like specifically whitefolks.
Do y'all just like mixed peoplebetter, like Barack Obama, like
Pat Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Drake.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Drake, mariah Carey please throw out some other,
some other highly favored mixedfolks.
Now, why I'm asking isspecifically because this is
taken to advertising and my headis in advertising.
I'm watching and payingattention to just what a
methodology and a science thereis that goes into advertising.
(45:52):
These decisions are not madehaphazardly.
They're not made evennecessarily artistically.
These decisions about castingfor commercials, specifically
for spots that are going to beas expensive as Super Bowl spots
, these decisions are madescientifically, researched,
empirically.
These people don't want to getthis wrong.
(46:13):
And this was the most watchedSuper Bowl.
This was the most watchedtelecast.
This is the most watchedtelecast of all time 123.4
million people watched the SuperBowl.
I looked it up.
There's only 12 countries inthe world that have that many
people in them, 12 out of 195countries.
So when someone decides we'regoing to give this white guy in
(46:40):
this commercial, this actor, adaughter who is a biracial black
girl, that is a decision madeon purpose and I want to
understand what is it trying tosay or what is it trying to
appeal to in this giant, this,this, this is the size of Japan
120 million people.
(47:00):
That's how big Japan is.
What is it trying to say tothis many people at once about
what the American family is, theideal of the American family,
the American family that wethink we are reflecting, who we
think you all will empathizewith, who we think you all will
like, who we think you all willshare photos I mean share this
video of like.
These are the decisions thatare made going into marketing
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going that are made going intoadvertising.
It costs like $7 million tohave a Super Bowl spot of that
length, so we got to get thecasting right.
So we're going to choose amixed race family.
You have not heard me yet oncesay anything disparaging of the
mixed race family.
One day maybe I'll have a mixedrace family, I have no idea.
(47:41):
But I'm asking because so muchadvertising appeals to a white
sensibility, because that's whatmost of our country is.
Do you all like mixed peoplebetter?
And if you do, why?
(48:01):
Because it's like to me,they're still black folks and
doesn't feel like you guys arethat into.
Like to that that much.
I look like Jay-Z right now, solike what's really good.
Do you guys like Pat Mahomesbetter than Lamar Jackson?
(48:24):
Why you guys like Mariah Careybetter than I don't know Nicki
Minaj?
Why you guys like Drake betterthan Kendrick.
So do I.
But why?
What is it?
And can I posit some theories?
(48:46):
Is it that you feel thatsomeone who has a white parent
but is black is closerculturally to you, or that they
are more human, that they aresmarter, that they are more
responsible, that they are more,that you can empathize with
(49:06):
them better?
If it is the case and I'm doyou guys believe me that I'm
dead ass?
I actually really want tounderstand, because if it's so,
can you help me understand it?
Because from where I stand, Idon't.
(49:27):
It makes me feel like you don'tnecessarily.
It's like you see them as black, but not totally, or something,
and I just don't get it.
It's a person.
It's not like.
It's not like one of those likecookies that's like, you know,
half brownie, half chocolatechip cookie, like it's a person.
So it's all the way black inthere.
(49:48):
All right, the real is in theresomewhere, but now, like, let's
talk about it.
Morgan, you have a point ofview on that?
I asked you before the show doyou want to talk?
Speaker 2 (49:55):
about it.
So what's your point of view onthis?
I didn't know that this iswhere you were going with it.
But my point of view forsomewhat is that I feel like
it's one of those.
It's a representation issue.
Like I feel like there are alot of mixed race families.
Therefore they would havecommercials with mixed race
(50:18):
families, but I feel like theissue is that there aren't
enough like fully black family.
So, like you know, like it's arepresentation thing, so I feel
like that's why it could likebump people sometimes and but I
think that the whole point ofdoing it is that like that's
just how our world looks now,like I personally would prefer
(50:41):
it.
I don't know, actually, I don'tknow.
Let's see that.
The further wait for the record, I wasn't saying I would prefer
it to be mixed race couples.
I was going to say somethingelse, but I decided against it.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Okay, Morgan is scared like Jay-Z.
Those commercials would haveyou believe that that's what our
country looks like now.
I'll have to look, but I don'tthink data would support that.
I don't think there are moremixed race families now than
there are black families, forexample.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I don't.
I don't think so either, but Ido feel like there are a lot of
mixed race families, so, but theproblem that I'm saying is that
there aren't enough commercialsalso representing the full
like-.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Spectrum.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I would take it a step further than that, which is
that it feels it feels, andthis is why I need data to
support it.
I need McKenzie or somebodyelse do a study, tell me how
many commercials actuallyrepresent this, but I know for
certain we're talking about it,so more people than just me are
noticing this.
It feels like an ideal is beingpresented, and that ideal is a
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family that has a white parent,a black parent and mixed race
children, because that's whatmarketing does it creates.
It's supposed to both bereflective of us, but also be
aspirational for us, and Igenuinely I'm curious.
I'm sure someone out therethinks they know the answer.
(52:19):
So fuck with me, tell mesomething.
Why, why is that?
Why are we presenting that asan ideal?
Who does it serve?
Does it truly serve theadvertiser?
Does it truly serve the productor the company that is using
this form of marketing, form ofadvertising?
I know everybody's got theirtheories not actually looking
for theories right at thismoment.
(52:40):
Does someone have somethingthat is data supported, that can
tell me how are thesecommercials performing?
How are these advertisementsperforming?
Is there a reason why I seemore and more and more of this?
Because I'm an advertiser andif it's the case, I will put
mixed race children.
Oh, morgan says don't do it.
Okay, don't do it.
(53:00):
Well, why not, morgan?
I got shit to sell.
If they want mixed race babies,I will find them.
I'm just kidding, no, but deadass.
I really want to answer.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
I want to pull a girl within itself, because you
always see the samerepresentation of a mixed race
kid which is like this lightskin, light colored eyes,
perfectly curly hair which isnot always true.
Which is not always true, andso I am exhibit A.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
So I just think that that there should be a variety
of mixed race.
Yes, and Morgan, I just want topoint out perfectly, curly is
not something that exists.
Curly is whatever it is.
Is that perfect?
It's just hair Fill me, hello.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
What.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yes, I feel you.
Okay.
Thank you, well done, morgan.
Yeah, okay, morgan's scared.
I'm not scared.
I really like this one.
Can you just make sure at thetop of that shit we're gonna be
out here in five minutes, fourminutes.
(54:08):
Can you just make sure?
At the top of that shit it sayswhites.
I have a question.
I just want, I just need theand please, at the top, make the
question so blunt.
Do you all like mixed blackpeople better than non-mixed
black people?
Because the advertising istelling me that's what someone
(54:35):
is saying.
Is the American ideal for afamily?
I know it's coming.
I've been around a lot of mixedfolk.
I know you guys are gonna getspicy with me.
Some of y'all are gonna evensay I'm mixed Cause.
I know that's coming too.
It happened.
This is I've been in thisconversation for a long.
We've been having thisconversation for a long time.
Also, I love mixed people.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
I do.
My closest friends are mixed.
I love.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Morgan's mixed.
I love Morgan Like come on man,come on dude, come on.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Wait, you're not mixed, ah.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I just want.
I literally just want.
Is it cool?
Can someone just tell me, canyou just say the answer
definitively?
I would love for some whiteperson to comment like yeah,
actually we do prefer mixedpeople, cause I can write if
it's definitive, I can wrap myhead around that and I can
honestly accept it and leave italone.
It's like, oh okay, cool, allright, two more things.
(55:31):
I have an MBA to say onThursday.
Can I tease it?
I'm gonna tease it All rightvery quickly.
I'm gonna do this in one minute.
Um, phil Jackson has a theory.
We gotta do the Kanye thing onThursday too.
Really quickly.
Mba thing you can take thiswith you.
So, phil Jackson, no, fuck it,it's mine now.
(55:52):
Nevermind Phil Jackson.
I came up with a theory thatNot based on Phil Jackson.
Not based on Phil Jackson Idon't even know who that is that
NBA teams that make it to 40wins before 20 losses in the
regular season are the onlytitle contenders.
They're the only teams that canwin the title.
(56:14):
Only two teams in like the last40 something years have been
able to buck that theory.
Okay, so most of the time,almost 90% of the time, the team
that wins the championship getsto 40 wins before 20 losses.
Here are the teams in the NBAwho have a chance to meet that
(56:36):
bar.
There are seven of them theCeltics, the Bucks, denver, the
T-Wolves, the Clippers and theCavs and the Thunder.
Did I say Thunder, thunder?
Now I'm gonna tell you which ofthose teams are actual
contenders to win thechampionship and which are not.
And this is my combination ofthem being a part of that theory
(56:59):
.
They have a chance to meet thatbar and also just eyeballing
where they stand statisticallyand also what I see on my TV.
So the Celtics have alreadythey've already made it past the
bar.
They're 41 and 12.
First on offense.
Third on defense the Clippers35 and 17.
Second on offense, eighth ondefense the Nuggets, the
defending champs.
(57:19):
Statistically they're the worstof all these teams.
They're 35 and 18.
They're 12th on offense, 15thon defense.
But they have Jokic, they havethe system, they've been there
before.
They have a chance.
And the fourth this is thefourth.
There are only four teams thatcan win the title this year,
guys.
I'm telling you who.
They are the Celtics, theClippers, the Nuggets, and the
fourth is the MinnesotaTimberwolves.
(57:40):
They're 37 and 16.
They're 16th on offense, butthey're number one on defense.
I've seen them play in personthis year.
It is very difficult to scoreagainst them because of Rudy
Gobert and because of JadaMcDaniels and because of Anthony
Edwards and, honestly, becauseof Carl Anthony Towns.
He's seven feet and he's veryagile.
I would add to that for theT-wolves they are not highly
(58:12):
experienced in the playoffs, buttheir best players are not
young, except for AnthonyEdwards.
Their best players are notbabies.
Here are the fake contenders.
The Bucks I told you, guys,that when they got Damien
Lillard.
They're second on offense.
They're 17th on defense.
They're 35 and 19.
So there's a strong chance thatthey're not gonna clear this
bar anyway.
The Oklahoma City Thunderthey're 36 and 17.
They're fifth on offense, fifthon defense.
(58:33):
They remind me a lot of lastyear's Kings an over performer.
That, I think, is the lightsare gonna get a little bright
for them when the playoffs start.
And then the Cavs 35 and 16,14th on offense, second on
defense.
They almost got swept by JalenBrunson last year.
Y'all, I just can't.
(58:53):
I don't see them taking a leapfrom losing 4-1 to the Knicks
all the way up to winning thetitle this year.
So those are your four titlecontenders the Celtics, the
Clippers, the Nuggets, theMinnesota Timberwolves.
That's it.
There's nothing but anarchy.
Look out for our taped.
What is it?
What do you wanna call it onthis?
Look out for the episodes onthe live show.
(59:13):
It's coming out next week.
It'll be available via.
We Don't Know Yet, but we'regonna put a cover on it.
We're gonna make it availablefor sale like a live album, like
a live comedy album, kind ofthing, and we'll see you all
Thursdays.
We'll be right back here.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Thanks for watching.
I Work it.
We started.
Are you starting the show hejust brought us in?
Oh my god, what were you gonnasay?
Go ahead and say it out, holdon.
(00:22):
All right, it's nothing withanarchy, we're just having a
conversation.
Here's, this is the.
This is all I want to say aboutthat, but I do want it to be
set on record because I want Iwant it to be.
I Want to be able to look backon this moment.
I I believe that 10 years fromnow, or even seven or five,
morgan will still be anextremely kind person and a fun
(00:46):
hang, and I think Morgan isgoing to be the boss of
everybody.
I think she's gonna beextremely sharkish.
I think she's gonna be reallyrich.
I think she's going to, I thinkshe's going to bully some of
the people in this industry andplay and play hungry, hungry
(01:06):
hippos and bumper cars, becauseBecause I just think that's part
of who she is, that is, that is.
I started to set it briefly atthe live show, but I think that
underlies, like a person who hasa really big smile and it's so
nice to everybody and it's sofun and all these other things.
Like you're also competitiveand you're not gonna like You're
(01:27):
not gonna be cool watchingpeople dumber than you bully
other people and take all themoney in this game.
You're gonna be like, oh, I'msmarter than them, I'm more
talented them, I have moreenergy than them, I'm more
magnetic than them.
Give me all of this and I, andI'm just I.
I feel lucky that I'm gonna beable to watch it happen over
(01:47):
these next 10 years like cuz I,I, you know, anyway, I.
Do you want to say anything tothat Morgan?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
No sharkish though sharkish.
That's such a negativeconnotation.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I know, but you just said, you just called me a
villain.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Origin story.
That doesn't always necessarilymean villain.
And you agreed.
You said I do?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I know what you mean.
Yes, that my villain originstory is clear.
It is, I think, like you, I ama naturally I Like, want to give
people what they asked for.
Like I want to give people, Iwant to help people, I want to
mentor people, I want to Getpeople unblocked by whatever is
blocking them.
And I feel like I didn'trealize seven or eight years ago
(02:37):
that People will not give youreciprocity for that.
People will.
They'll just be like, oh great,free shit.
And they'll just like it's likethe free stuff out of an event.
Like people just like, oh, freeshit.
And they take extra.
They take 10 more than theyneed.
They eat 15 pigs in a blanketwhen they can only really eat
five and they're gonna vomitlater because it's free.
(02:58):
So, and I can name names, but Iwon't because I'm not Monique or
Kat Williams yet, but I Just, Idon't know every moment of this
.
So we're in some of the liveshow.
Let's have a live show realquick, because it this is this
dovetails with the fun of all ofthis.
(03:19):
Like I Know some people reallylove money.
I know some people really loveor Are obsessed with the
internet.
I know some people really lovethe sound of their own voice.
I have I have tastes for all ofthose things, but the fun of
this really is the human beingpart of it for me.
(03:40):
I Felt I Was really now.
I was nervous for like thefirst six minutes of my spilling
on that day, but I never for amoment felt nervous about the
execution and I meant to saythis in the room.
But I feel like, even if I had,you would have just been like
moving along Chad.
(04:01):
But like that's because of you,because I, because I knew that
you had it, I knew you had myback, I knew you had everything,
anything that, any balls thatwere dropped I didn't even get
to know about them because youpicked them up and fixed it.
I still don't know about themif any happened, if any occurred
.
Like you, I just knew, I knew Iwould be Safe to do my part and
(04:25):
I, and then I knew I could domy part because I had that
safety, the people part.
I felt so happy that Tia, our DJfrom our live show, was with us
because she brings a differentelement.
She made, I think she makes itfeel.
In a way she makes it feel likeNew York, like I think she's
(04:48):
like.
I mean she first of all likeI'm.
This is not a show.
Tia is, is noticeable, okay,she's like six feet tall, she's
a model, she has big afro andLike she's a DJ.
So so there's a, there's alevel of Noticeability and power
she has over a room that Ithink also adds to the element.
(05:12):
The room itself we're talkingabout the DC live show which was
at Shanklin Hall.
The room itself and and this isso cool because I haven't
gotten to experience this thelaunch party was a different
thing.
It was a party.
I Now understand something thatI haven't really felt, probably
(05:32):
since college, maybe when weprobated or like basketball in
high school, but I I don't thinkI forgot just as much as I got
out of touch with how much theaudience in a live venue is a
part of the show.
Yeah, which included people,you know, kind of humming in
(05:54):
agreement to things that they.
That really meant something tothem, people Laughing at certain
moments, people not laughing atcertain moments.
One of my friends was in therekind of heckling me, like
basically heckling, and hehimself is a stand-up comic and
that added an element because italmost I didn't notice him so
(06:15):
much as my boys told me about itlater, but like that is
probably good practice.
One day there will be a realheckler somewhere that I'm doing
this show, someone who reallydoesn't feel what we talk about
in this show.
And I found it so Energizingfor me up I was standing on a
couch for most of the night.
I found it so energizing for meas the, as the storyteller, as
(06:39):
the conductor of the room, thatI Probably went about 25%
Spicier than usual and morerevealing than usual.
Yeah, and that's because of theintimacy of the setting and
also I was looking out to acrowd of Including staff,
(07:01):
probably 60-ish people in arelatively small venue who
Listen with every single one ofmy people at some point or
another.
This is just the kind of personthat I am.
Maybe this is normal.
At one point or another, me andanother person, me and almost
everybody else in that room haveyelled in each other's faces
(07:25):
Okay, not you, when that willprobably.
Maybe that will happen one day.
I think it will happen as youtake your more sharkish arc and
you're just like you and you're.
I think your point of view isvery, very, very strong.
But I think, as you like, justbecome more monstrously.
Morgan, like the Morgan monster.
(07:46):
I think you're gonna just startbeing like no, like that, it's
gonna be like that, and thenmaybe we'll do this or maybe
I'll just be like damn, morgansaid, do it like that.
But these are the people who Ihave.
There were so many people inthat room.
There were obviously strangersin the room.
(08:07):
There were fans of the show inthe room.
There were Morgan fans in theroom.
There were people that I don'tknow, but there were a lot of
people in that room who I'veknown since six, seven, eight,
1516, 21, 22.
These are the people who's whoI have formed myself around.
We have found a shorthand andwe have different points of view
(08:30):
and different perspectives, butwe share some values.
We share Something that matters.
Oh, I sold the audience to shutup so many times in the room.
That was really fun.
I really enjoyed that part.
Um, I think we're gonna keepthat in the show.
What am I trying to say?
Here's what I'm trying to say,and then I'm gonna move on,
because this is not the openingsegment, so bear with me.
It felt so different than beingin a room full of people in this
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industry.
To me it felt like a room fullof people that have real lives,
real values, real Families, realRelationships, real problems,
who don't live their lives inthe ego sphere Entirely, who
don't live their lives entirelychecking who's googled them in
(09:16):
the last 20 minutes, or how muchcompany, how much money their
company made in the last 20minutes, or how many clicks they
got on their last post.
It was like I See why peopletore, because you get away from
like, what do, what do peoplethink about me on the internet?
And you see and feel, what dothey actually?
What are they getting out ofwhat you're giving them in real
life?
And Every face that I saw,including my parents, which was
(09:43):
a big thing for me, it was a bighurdle to clear here.
They were nodding along, theywere mm-hmming Okay, they were
laughing About howembarrassingly Gross this
industry is, and that's a fardeparture from what I get from
(10:04):
people in my industry for themost part around how I use my
voice, which is a whole lot ofbe careful.
A whole lot of ooh like, are yousure you want to say that?
Like that, a whole lot of fear.
Like that's what.
That is what entertainment,hollywood, the internet.
(10:26):
Like fear is the.
That's the trading language.
Like, fear is the fear is thecommodity, and that's how things
move around.
People use fear to make youstay in line, do your job as it
serves them, pay your commission.
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They make you afraid of theboogeyman.
They make you afraid thatthere's somebody out there
that's going to crush your thingIf you don't do it exactly how
they want it.
And it was so good for me toget to go see real people that I
actually care about, who arenot scared for me, they're
excited for me.
They're like go do it, say it.
(11:07):
I asked some people after theshow.
I was like, hey, at some point,me and Morgan are going to have
to have conversation about whatshould I cut out of this thing
before we put it on Patreon orwherever it's going?
And they were like I don'tthink you need to cut anything.
These are my real people, likethis is my mom, this is my
sister, these are my, these aremy, these are my friends.
That if I've run into one ofthese people in real life and
(11:31):
God forbid, but I just I knowthese niggas, it's never going
to happen.
But, like God forbid, I wentinto, ran into one of these
people with the chicklet teethand they actually wanted some
kind of action.
These are the people that wouldtake a flight and they're the
ones saying I think you're good,say it, do it.
So, unfortunately for Morgan, Inow feel emboldened to be more
(11:57):
specific, more literal, morehonest, more forthcoming,
because I got to see the people,the real people, like we're
doing something.
You know there's an adage aboutlike creating the world that
you want to live in and I think,sphere by sphere by sphere, we
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are.
That's happening.
Tj told me.
He called me after we talkedfor an hour about the show,
about the live show, and hetells me, like TJ sees, he sees
people and environments incolors, and he said he said that
that you know we talked aboutthe color of the room being very
golden, everybody in that roomfeeling I mean for one, the
(12:40):
lights were gold, but like also,people in the room felt full,
like they felt safe, they wereable to be seen.
We saw Louise came out fromcollege.
She looked amazing, she was,she was in an amazing form of
herself, she was, her energy wasfantastic.
(13:01):
Dorian Hassan, theo Ashile,brandon, david Atkinson, like
there were people in the roomwho felt full.
Leon came from Los Angeles.
(13:22):
So I don't know, I just wantmore of this.
I want to make more of this.
I'm out now.
I mean the cat's out of the bag.
I'm talking about it in public,I'm talking about it on phone
calls.
I'm looking for somebody tocome in as a backer with money
to partner here, to help pay forall this, so that we can like,
so that we can grow it, so thatwe can pay it, so we can
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actually pay a team, so that themarketing budget doesn't come
out of my piggy bank.
We're doing something here, sowe're going to keep doing it.
All right, who cares?
I am dressed in this colorbecause the only other shirt
that I have with this colorscheme it has a bunch of broken
hearts on it and this is like aValentine's Day episode and I
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didn't want to have that kind ofvibe for Valentine's Day.
It just didn't feel right.
Also, now's probably a good timeto mention I am starting a
sub-stack.
It is called Bonfire.
The first project on thatsub-stack will be my exploration
of All Things Love.
I'll be quick about thisbecause I'm going to dovetail
(14:28):
this right into you guessed it?
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey.
And then we're going to talkabout the Super Bowl, but this
is a project that is anexploration of All Things Love.
It is going to be a verycommunity-based and led project,
which means, as people migrateinto this sub-stack, into this
short form or short, what am Itrying to say?
Short hand dialogue with mearound love.
(14:52):
I'm going to be doingexplorations in my own life, in
Q&As, in interviews, in popculture, in stories that come up
around love, and I'm going tobe using this sub-stack as a
place to have a circle of peoplewho are talking about having
this conversation together withme, as sort of the conduit, and
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you can go to the link in my bioright now if you want to sign
up for the email list for it,but it will literally be live
tonight.
It technically launchestomorrow, but you'll be able to
go subscribe to it tonight ifyou want to do that.
I put up a question yesterdaythat said something like ask me
a question about love, and Ihave like 30 questions in that
question box right now the mostthat I have probably gotten for
(15:36):
anything that I've put onInstagram to say ask me
questions.
Valentine's Day I want to speakto.
I think this is a large groupof people.
Valentine's Day can be prettyrough, even if you are in a
relationship.
Holidays are rough, often forpeople.
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I think it's because they markthese moments in time throughout
a year where you are almostbeing led or forced to take
stock of yourself.
I think comparison is the thief.
Of joy is the thing I think onthese holidays.
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They encourage us to weighourselves against.
Whatever it is that we'resupposed to be, wherever we're
supposed to be, on Valentine'sDay, you're supposed to be in
love, which is not the case foralmost everybody who is in or
out of a relationship.
On Valentine's Day, you'resupposed to want to be around
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the person you're in love with,which is unusual.
On Valentine's Day, you aresupposed to spend money, which a
lot of people don't have.
That's what the marketing tellsyou, that's what the stories
tell you, that's what the movieshave told us, that's what we
tell each other, that's whatyour fucking annoying ass
Instagram photos tell us.
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My least favorite kind is thekind from the person not in a
relationship who feels a need toInstagram a rose or a box of
chocolates or something elsenice that someone sent them who
they don't feel comfortablehaving on a photo on their grid
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with them or in their socialavatar sphere, because that is
completely and entirely justabout saying I'm good enough
that someone wanted to send methis.
I wish you would say the thingthat it actually says, which is
that I feel bad today.
Sorry, it's a rough holiday.
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It can be.
It can be If the pressure ofthe moment is so stacked up,
sorry.
There's some of y'all out therewho are going to have a very
lovely Valentine's Day and Ijust want to hold space for you
guys.
You guys, you're the bomb.
You did it For almost everybodyelse, and I'm including people
in relationships.
Man, have I been in arelationship on so many
Valentine's Days?
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And it is like one of the least50 enjoyable days of that year
in that relationship, becauseit's just like what are we
supposed to be doing today?
Are we supposed to have sextoday, I guess?
So it's almost like sex as ahomework assignment is not
awesome.
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Are we supposed to go to dinnertoday?
Are we supposed to go to themovies today?
Are we supposed to hold handsdoing the thing?
Are we supposed to?
It's like it's all of that.
It's all of that.
What doesn't help is TaylorSwift and Travis Kelsey.
The Super Bowl happened acouple of days ago.
(18:55):
We'll get to that, but TravisKelsey won.
Travis Kelsey won.
Oh my God, look at me.
The cheats won.
Travis Kelsey played.
Okay, pat Mahomes played Bminus for Pat Mahomes, but he
was the Super Bowl MVP.
Pat Mahomes, I don't know whatelse does I mean.
Like Pat Mahomes is he's it,he's the guy.
Like he's, that's that.
(19:18):
Come on y'all.
We've talked about this.
Okay, that's what.
Looking like the goat looks like.
You cannot compare that to theBraun James experience.
Victor Wimbin Yama looks wellpositioned to be on his way to
some go-dishness.
Like.
There's so many things thathave to fall into place for him.
He has to have the right team,he has to have the right coach,
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he has to have the, he has towin a certain amount, he has to
stay healthy, et cetera, etcetera.
But like man, does he feelprimed for go-dishness?
Honestly, in the same way thatLeBron at the beginning felt
primed for go-dishness.
But Pat Mahomes is doing it?
He is.
That person is exceptional.
That person is it's it's itlooks like the conditions don't
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matter.
It looks like his teammatesdon't matter.
It looks like who's on theother side of the field doesn't
matter, like he's Houdini.
He is, he is MacGyver One wayor another, like he's gonna,
he's going to pull that trophyout from where?
From the, from the, from thegrips of defeat.
After the game and since thegame, there has been a stream, a
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constant stream, of TaylorSwift and Travis Kelsey content.
One of the videos, one of thereels, or I don't know what it
is anymore that has gone viralis Travis and Taylor in a
section at a Vegas nightclub.
(20:47):
Y'all Vegas looks so not fun tome, like I can't, like I really
like a great party and I'venever seen a Vegas party that
looks like the kind of partythat I like to be at.
That party that they are atlooks so terrible.
It is such a reminder that theyare at their core, not as if we
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need any reminder, not as ifit's not present and evident,
but like they are extremely milk, toast, white, middle Americans
, like that is who they are.
I guess Taylor's from the southtechnically, but like Tennessee
, like it has, you know, it kindof has middle American
influences and they are doingthe thing, kind of doing a two
(21:32):
step, knowing that people arelooking at them, knowing that
people are taking videos of them.
And it's always much moreapparent for Taylor.
If I'm being honest, it is muchmore apparent that Taylor knows
she is being watched at alltimes than it is for Travis.
And you know it's the footballplayer and the cheerleader, like
that's kind of the image thatyou see there.
(21:53):
It's the skinny blonde whitegirl, it's the big bearded white
boy and you know they're kindof like two stepping.
He might as well have a BudLight in his hand I don't know
what he's drinking and twostepping I'm using so loosely
but like they're doing you knowthey're moving their bodies in
some, in some order.
He pulls her in for a big kissand the people around them.
(22:17):
Oh my God, it's such a scene ofgrotesque Hollywood Like
there's like this like 50 yearold looking dude who's like kind
of looks overly tan, like he'sbeen on too many golf courses,
who's like balding and like kindof standing off over the over
the shoulder of Taylor and he'slike he just looks so much like
(22:39):
an agent or a handler in someway.
It's really guys, it's reallygross.
Okay, and it is to me a reminderof the thing which is like this
is what you all are supposed tobe doing, this is what you,
this is what love looks likethis is what romance looks like.
It looks like two drunken whitepeople on a dance floor
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pretending like they don't knoweverybody else is looking at
them and I think that's likekind of those sorts of images
are where it starts.
And imagine if you're like 13looking at that and you're like,
oh, that's the ideal, likethat's what I'm out here looking
for, that's what I want, that'swhat I want my relationship to
feel like.
How in the world, without suchgreat time, energy and intention
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spent on figuring it out, areyou supposed to actually know
what you're looking to feel whenyou love somebody?
That's what my projects about.
That's a plug, but that's noteven what's interesting to me
about this whole thing, becausethat's not interesting.
They're not interesting.
That's the problem.
They're not interesting,they're so basic.
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It's like this is the whole.
Like I saw that in high schoolOkay, I saw skinny milk toes,
white girl, big, annoying whiteboy.
Like I saw that that's soboring, that's so stale.
We did that already.
How like with all these showstrying to force the idea that
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there's such diversity in ourcountry and everyone is
different, with all these showsdoing it so heavy handed and
like haphazard and okay, now weneed to show about prom on a
reservation, like how do westill end up with the pinnacle
like the peak, most trendingimage of love and of connection
(24:34):
is still a Viking and acheerleader Like how Okay, what
cares about that?
Here's what actually matters.
Here's who I see and actuallyfeel a little bit sad for.
I wonder if you all will besurprised by this.
(24:54):
If you watch that video longenough, it pans over to Jason
Kelsey, which is Travis's olderfat brother.
He has on a superhero costumeand he is dancing.
I got to keep putting these inquotes.
(25:15):
He's in the DJ booth.
He's standing there amongst allthe Vegas bros.
Vegas looks so not funny Alland he is like kind of like
drunkenly just like boppingaround.
There's another video where yousee Taylor and Travis and
there's all these click, click,click, click, click, click,
click and you know Travis.
I will give to him that he is.
I think he's a fairly goodlooking dude, like he's.
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He's like kind of like big andbroad shouldered and he's nimble
and like.
I think I think he has likenice looking eyes and whatever.
Whatever Taylor is Taylor like.
I don't need to even weigh inbecause you all have decided she
is like peak, white girl,attractive or something like
that you all, not nobody in thisroom and probably not anybody
out there.
But they walk in, surrounded byhandlers and cameras, and behind
(26:02):
them again comes drunken,sloppy, jason Kelsey, who has
made so many headlines and so,and so many clicks and so many
views of him just being drunken,crazy over the top, outrageous,
brother to Travis duringTravis's really truly during
Travis's ascension from likeTravis now transcends football.
(26:23):
It's not, it's never going tobe about football again.
For Travis Kelsey, football isnow the second thing that will
be on Travis Kelsey's Wikipediapage.
It doesn't, it just doesn'tmatter.
And good for him I mean truly,like literally.
This is good for him becausefootball is almost over for him.
He's going to be out of theleague soon.
(26:44):
What I see and this is aparticularly shitty place to be
and I have been in this placeand it's so ass Jason Kelsey is
now third wheel to a glamourcouple.
Have you guys ever been in thatposition before?
Have you guys ever been thethird wheel, like sort of like
(27:05):
the bestie to a couple that yousee is starting to like go off
into the sunset and you'retrying to hold on to your
connection to one of the peoplein that couple because they
matter to you.
Have you ever been in thatposition?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Obviously not to this degree.
I'm trying, I feel like, yes,but I'm trying to like think of
couples, friends that I've hadthat have been like the it.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's very difficult position to be in and I and I
will explain why especially ifyou are also someone who wants
to be, who wants love and like,who wants your own sort of
(27:48):
measure of notoriety or like whowants to be known for something
yourself, who believes yourselfto be someone interesting.
I see in Jason Kelsey and Idon't think I'm projecting, I
think it's really there.
I see him, he's chasing it.
He's like my brother who wasalways better looking, who was
always cooler, who a couple ofthose black kids are high school
let's say the n-word a fewtimes, I'm speculating who can
(28:12):
do the dance moves, who alwayshad the pretty girls.
Now he's fucking dating TaylorSwift, who I imagine is probably
his princess queen, the mostunattainable to him, to him, and
he and his brother have apodcast.
He and his brother werestarting to do this ascension
(28:35):
together and Taylor came in andpicked Travis.
And now I mean, if most of youall who are here now for the
Taylor Swift experience withTravis Kelsey, you weren't there
when this was part of it if youare a football fan, you were
here for this part.
Travis Kelsey was like theunrequited want her of Taylor
(28:59):
Swift at one point in time.
Did you know that?
He was like going onmicrophones and saying I love
Taylor Swift, I want TaylorSwift to date me.
He, he did it the way peopledream you could do it in media,
which is like you just say Iwant so and so to date me, and
then she appears and all of asudden you guys are together.
He did it like that hisbrother's turning into the rock
(29:19):
and he's turning into the rock.
If the rock was dating like Idon't know if the rock had been
dating Madonna on the way up orsomething like that and Jason
Kelsey, I have to imagine it isbringing up all the stuff Jason
Kelsey has probably been feelingfor most of his life, which is
man, I'm really good too.
I'm look how good I am atfootball.
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But I'm the center, I'm theoffensive lineman.
I never get to score touchdown.
I never get to run the ball in.
I never get to catch a pass.
I never get to do the coolesttouchdown celebration.
My little brother gets to doall that cool shit.
I like as much as yes, I'm amillionaire and I'm, I have a
voice and Philadelphia fans loveme.
(30:02):
But like and I'm telling y'allbecause you know, I know famous
people.
They be acting the same as theywere acting when they were kids
.
The same stuff makes them mad,the same stuff makes them hurt.
The same, the same stuff comesup in them.
That's why they, that's whythey chase it so hard.
I think this dude is like fuck,my brother is riding off into
the sunset.
(30:23):
How do I get to stay relevant?
How do I get to stay here onhis like, how do I get to hang
on to his coattails?
And I think he's reaching backinto a bag that is very
uncomfortable and verydehumanizing to yourself, which
is I'm just gonna make a fool ofmyself so people can see me, so
people don't forget that I'mhere.
If I just go throw on a suit ora tux like Travis, or a black
(30:45):
outfit or whatever, and I justwalk behind them and I'm and I'm
.
You know, I've and I've hadfour beers instead of 27 like
who's gonna even notice me?
Who's gonna even pay attentionto me?
So I'm gonna put on thisdumbass outfit and I'm gonna be
an.
I'm gonna be an idiot, you, andthat's what's gonna keep me
relevant, that's what's gonnamake me.
(31:06):
Ah, my brother just won theSuper Bowl.
Let me imagine that, guys.
My brother just won the SuperBowl.
Let me go put on a superherocostume and dance with the DJ
with like as a as a drunkenidiot.
Those to me, are the tells ofsomebody who is like he's got
everything that I wanted.
What can I like?
What can I have?
(31:27):
And I will say again to groundthis I have felt that.
I have felt the feeling of damn.
I Think I'm pretty good.
How do I get people to notice me?
Like, how do I get people topay attention to what I can do?
And I have even done thatdumbass thing which is like I'll
(31:48):
take the attention.
However I can get it like, Iwill make a fool of myself.
I will.
I Will act out of character.
I will be undignified.
I will do whatever song anddance I have to do for people to
notice me too, because, likeman, I wish I had that other
thing.
All right, whatever, jason andTravis, I'm available to be a
(32:11):
guest on your, on your podcast.
Okay, super Bowl stuff.
All right, morgan was sogleeful about putting this on
the docket that she put it atthe top, and I know a lot of you
are here for this.
So let's, let's just get rightto it.
You're not gonna like it,though You're not gonna like it,
you're gonna double down.
It's not a double down.
I said weeks ago, months ago,probably.
It was when it was announced, soyeah, I said when it was
(32:34):
announced that I did not thinkusher was a great choice for the
Super Bowl, and the reason wasbecause I did not think usher's
catalog was like Super BowlPotent, I didn't think.
I mean, there's a recording ofthis somewhere.
So I'm not even trying toparaphrase what I said because I
don't want y'all to be like.
You actually said this and nowyou're saying this.
Let's just, let's just make itblunt.
(32:54):
I just didn't think he was theright choice.
I didn't think he was a greatchoice for the Super Bowl.
Now, I Thought the Super Bowlshow was and I'm being precise
and I'm being real I thought itwas Pretty good, that was fun.
You know what I mean.
Like I sang along.
I'm not gonna not sing along tousher, if it's on.
(33:15):
I Was in a room, I Was in ahouse with 13 people in it.
All 13 came down to thebasement for the usher part.
I was at Tim and D'alisa's andwhen You're in a room full of
people who are having a goodtime and wanting to enjoy what's
on the screen, you do that likeI'm not a I'm not a robot, guys
(33:36):
, like I'm not.
I'm not an actual villain, eventhough Morgan called me one, if
we're.
If it's an usher party, I'mgonna party.
Like I guys, I'm past the agewhere you Planch your foot in
the ground and have a bad time.
To try to make someone elsehave a bad time Like that
doesn't work.
You just like, if we're having agood time, fuck it, like let's
(33:56):
have a good time.
You know what I mean.
So, but here's what I know.
I Got some I got.
Let me just make it.
I'll say it plain and then I'llwalk back toward it.
Okay, you guys think consensusequals truth.
(34:17):
You guys think that if the restof the people you watch on the
internet and if the rest of thepeople in a room with you Say
something is so, that that meansit's so.
That Super Bowl show was prettygood.
Okay, it wasn't Prince at theSuper Bowl, it wasn't Michael
(34:38):
Jackson at the Super Bowl.
It was pretty good.
I like I didn't say it wasgonna be ass.
You, I, I will find, I'll find,please, please, morgan and if
and if I did, then you need tocut me same.
But I just said and then youneed to reverse the play, the
reverse tape and put it rightnext to it for real.
(34:59):
Okay, but this is all I'msaying to y'all is like this is
this is what I want for all ofus collectively, because this is
very related to the LeBronJames experience and this is
also why I so many of my friendsnot as much as before, but I
Would say for much of my 20s, myfriends Some of them would call
(35:23):
me a hater because, like I Wantan A plus experience, I want to
watch an A plus movie.
I don't want to watch BlackPanther is not an A plus movie.
I'm sorry, guys, it's not thatthat was not an A plus usher
performance, it was about asolid B, that was fun.
(35:47):
You know, I'm saying like a Bis fun, like that's chill.
I Hate to keep doing this, butI gotta do it because it's the
only thing that captures thephenomenon.
We all want to feel like we'rewatching the goat.
We all want that.
We all want to feel like, ohman, the ush.
(36:08):
We are all looking for a goodtime.
We're all looking for to beable to say I saw something
spectacular and something thatwas one of one.
So we watch usher, we have agood time and we're so ready, at
Immediately, as soon as it'sover, to go to the internet and
say that was amazing, becausesaying it was pretty good
(36:30):
doesn't get you any.
It doesn't get you any retweets.
Saying it was pretty good it'snot enough, because you guys got
to out do your other friend whoyou know is gonna say that shit
was fire.
You got to show that it waseven more fire.
It represents me more than itrepresents you.
It was so fire.
It was pretty good.
The LeBron James experience I'vebeen here for it.
(36:50):
How does it come back to LeBron?
I've been here for it.
It's been really good, but it'snot the best.
Why can't like?
Why can't we do nuance?
Why can't we do gray area?
Why can't we do?
Why can't we do precision, likethe usher thing?
If I said I didn't think it wasa good choice and you said you
(37:13):
thought it was a great choice,that's a draw to me, because it
was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So let me just understand you correctly.
Right, please?
You are trying.
You're saying that usher'sperformance Is on par with
LeBron James performance.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
No, lebron James performance is above usher's
performance.
Okay, I just because I was likethat's a little why?
No, what I'm trying to say islike, thank you for asking,
because now I can clarify.
I think we all we're in a rushfor these moments.
We are in such a rush to feel amoment Valentine's Day, a
(37:49):
moment.
We want to feel like the thingthat I thought was gonna be dope
.
We also all want to bevalidated on the thing we
thought was gonna be dope.
I was down for LeBron from thebeginning.
No, he's the goal like no, he's.
It's cool to be like I thoughthe was gonna be the best.
He's the second best.
That's a win.
That's awesome.
Um, when this usher thing, it'slike I thought the usher, I was
(38:12):
so excited because I love usher.
It's different than I watchedthe usher show and it was an
all-timer.
It wasn't like it wasn't.
It was.
But I'm not.
You guys think everything ishate.
You guys think precision ishate.
That's why I'm quite.
Honesty is always so flooringto people, because what you're
(38:33):
used to getting is hyperbole.
What you're used to getting isis Is like People saying what
they think they're supposed tosay.
Who among us is now ready to goand say that that performance
was not great.
And I don't mean myself, I justmean someone else who can say
exactly what it was.
(38:53):
Because all like, becauseeverybody is in such a rush to
say that's the dope it shouldever.
That's the dope.
No, pat my homes, that's thedope it should ever.
That's the dope it should ever.
I Was pretty good.
Good job, usher shit.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Was a Brock Purdy performance.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Brock was.
Whatever he was, I mean he was,he was pretty good.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't want to compare usher,right.
I'll say, like usher was likeokay, you know the dude on the
Niners, I think it was JoannJennings who threw a touchdown
caught a touchdown.
It was like that was a good goodshowing.
Joann, I didn't know you can dothat.
(39:33):
That's usher.
Okay, that was usher.
Okay, that's pretty good.
God damn, y'all are so.
Y'all are just so rabid.
You're just so thirsty.
Okay, all right.
Also needs to be note.
This was just a hilarious tweetthat I just like.
I don't even know how anythingto say about it.
It was a tweet.
It says you think God ever gone, give Alicia keys her voice
back.
I know he took it because shestole that lady husband, but
(39:56):
damn, that was like 50 years ago.
That was someone who tweetedthat a year ago, who retweeted
herself to just bring it back upto the top.
Um, I Think voices can just goshot.
I mean, like it's a.
I think you can strain yourvocal cords and that's actually
your reminder that, likeStraining, it's not good.
(40:18):
It's just not good.
Like White people will make youstrain, man, that's all I want
to say.
That's all I want to say.
Um, okay, after this we'regonna me and Morgan are doing to
do oh shit, I can't forget whatI had to say here it is.
I think this is the real.
Okay, all right, whites, goodstart.
(40:47):
This is an honest question.
I just, I want, I want whoknows, I want why I'm addressing
to know I'm addressing them.
Um, white folks, real, realquestion.
Man, I, I am not.
I Think I.
I think I am learning how totread a fine line here, which is
(41:09):
To delve into topics that areWorth while where there's actual
substantive substance andmeaning.
I'm gonna get all this outclear because it needs to be a
real um, without pandering fordirt.
(41:32):
That's not what I'm looking forhere.
I Keep having that lady whocomment I can't.
I wish I didn't read hercomment.
I keep having this lady who waslike I followed this guy
because he was one of myfavorite creators.
Now he's just looking for messand I'm not.
I'm not looking for mess, I'mlooking for precision.
I'm looking for precisionbecause I really want an answer
to this more.
You know where I'm going withthis.
No, okay, this is a realquestion.
(41:53):
Whites, this is a real question.
Whites, do you prefer mixedrace people, specifically
biracial black people, overnon-biracial black people?
I think it's probably the bestway to put that.
(42:14):
Do you?
And I ask because, well, here'swhere the question came from.
I go on Twitter from time totime to check what's trending so
we can know what's being talkedabout in the public sphere.
Setafil is trending and I'mlike setafil.
Why is there a lotion brandtrending right now?
(42:35):
It's because there was a SuperBowl commercial for setafil
where a white dad football fanwearing a jersey is bopping
around the house watchingfootball, doing football stuff,
while his daughter, who is abiracial black girl, is living
in her own world with herheadphones, their phone, just
(42:58):
like as parents and children areright now.
They're separated because helives in his world, where his
stuff is that he likes, and shelives in her world, where her
stuff is that she likes.
And what brings them togetherand I'm moving quickly through
the commercial, because it'sreally not the point what brings
them together even though theydon't say her name, because they
probably didn't want to, theycouldn't probably afford her for
(43:19):
the commercial is that TaylorSwift is now in the football
sphere, so she's brought thesetwo worlds together, so now
these two can lay on the couchtogether.
She puts her phone down andthey watch football together.
I think there's something elseto be dissected in that
commercial which is like whydoes that little girl have to
(43:40):
come into his world for them tobond?
Like why, if Taylor Swift hasto bring your daughter into your
world, how much do you actuallyeven want your daughter there?
That's like something for thefather to talk to his therapist
about.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
It's also a super bull commercial.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Super what.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's also a super bull commercial.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I know, I mean understood, but it was trending
for a reason which is because Ithink it resonated with people
and I want to understand.
There's something that I wantto understand.
It is commonly accepted rightnow for guys to make it a big
thing that they connect withtheir daughters, and I just want
to know, like, why is it sohard for y'all to connect with
your daughters?
And I don't have a daughter, soI got no, I got no, I got no
(44:26):
suggestions for you, but I'mjust saying why?
Why do you have to have yourdaughter watch football to
connect with her?
But that's not the point.
Here's the point.
Not the first to make thispoint, but let me say it out
loud.
In the advertising space, itfeels like we are giving a lot
of play to the mixed race family, the biracial children of a
black parent and a white parent,specifically, specifically that
(44:49):
sort of biracial family, mixedrace family, cause I don't want
to act like that's the only waythat a family can be mixed
racially.
This is not new.
This is commonly discussedmostly in, like our more in
easier and safer rooms amongblack folks.
Not to say that theconversation has always had
(45:11):
safely, but it's in safe roomsthat it happens, where we talk
about, like specifically whitefolks.
Do y'all just like mixed peoplebetter, like Barack Obama, like
Pat Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Drake.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Drake, mariah Carey please throw out some other,
some other highly favored mixedfolks.
Now, why I'm asking isspecifically because this is
taken to advertising and my headis in advertising.
I'm watching and payingattention to just what a
methodology and a science thereis that goes into advertising.
(45:52):
These decisions are not madehaphazardly.
They're not made evennecessarily artistically.
These decisions about castingfor commercials, specifically
for spots that are going to beas expensive as Super Bowl spots
, these decisions are madescientifically, researched,
empirically.
These people don't want to getthis wrong.
(46:13):
And this was the most watchedSuper Bowl.
This was the most watchedtelecast.
This is the most watchedtelecast of all time 123.4
million people watched the SuperBowl.
I looked it up.
There's only 12 countries inthe world that have that many
people in them, 12 out of 195countries.
So when someone decides we'regoing to give this white guy in
(46:40):
this commercial, this actor, adaughter who is a biracial black
girl, that is a decision madeon purpose and I want to
understand what is it trying tosay or what is it trying to
appeal to in this giant, this,this, this is the size of Japan
120 million people.
(47:00):
That's how big Japan is.
What is it trying to say tothis many people at once about
what the American family is, theideal of the American family,
the American family that wethink we are reflecting, who we
think you all will empathizewith, who we think you all will
like, who we think you all willshare photos I mean share this
video of like.
These are the decisions thatare made going into marketing
(47:21):
going that are made going intoadvertising.
It costs like $7 million tohave a Super Bowl spot of that
length, so we got to get thecasting right.
So we're going to choose amixed race family.
You have not heard me yet oncesay anything disparaging of the
mixed race family.
One day maybe I'll have a mixedrace family, I have no idea.
(47:41):
But I'm asking because so muchadvertising appeals to a white
sensibility, because that's whatmost of our country is.
Do you all like mixed peoplebetter?
And if you do, why?
(48:01):
Because it's like to me,they're still black folks and
doesn't feel like you guys arethat into.
Like to that that much.
I look like Jay-Z right now, solike what's really good.
Do you guys like Pat Mahomesbetter than Lamar Jackson?
(48:24):
Why you guys like Mariah Careybetter than I don't know Nicki
Minaj?
Why you guys like Drake betterthan Kendrick.
So do I.
But why?
What is it?
And can I posit some theories?
(48:46):
Is it that you feel thatsomeone who has a white parent
but is black is closerculturally to you, or that they
are more human, that they aresmarter, that they are more
responsible, that they are more,that you can empathize with
(49:06):
them better?
If it is the case and I'm doyou guys believe me that I'm
dead ass?
I actually really want tounderstand, because if it's so,
can you help me understand it?
Because from where I stand, Idon't.
(49:27):
It makes me feel like you don'tnecessarily.
It's like you see them as black, but not totally, or something,
and I just don't get it.
It's a person.
It's not like.
It's not like one of those likecookies that's like, you know,
half brownie, half chocolatechip cookie, like it's a person.
So it's all the way black inthere.
(49:48):
All right, the real is in theresomewhere, but now, like, let's
talk about it.
Morgan, you have a point ofview on that?
I asked you before the show doyou want to talk?
Speaker 2 (49:55):
about it.
So what's your point of view onthis?
I didn't know that this iswhere you were going with it.
But my point of view forsomewhat is that I feel like
it's one of those.
It's a representation issue.
Like I feel like there are alot of mixed race families.
Therefore they would havecommercials with mixed race
(50:18):
families, but I feel like theissue is that there aren't
enough like fully black family.
So, like you know, like it's arepresentation thing, so I feel
like that's why it could likebump people sometimes and but I
think that the whole point ofdoing it is that like that's
just how our world looks now,like I personally would prefer
(50:41):
it.
I don't know, actually, I don'tknow.
Let's see that.
The further wait for the record, I wasn't saying I would prefer
it to be mixed race couples.
I was going to say somethingelse, but I decided against it.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Okay, Morgan is scared like Jay-Z.
Those commercials would haveyou believe that that's what our
country looks like now.
I'll have to look, but I don'tthink data would support that.
I don't think there are moremixed race families now than
there are black families, forexample.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I don't.
I don't think so either, but Ido feel like there are a lot of
mixed race families, so, but theproblem that I'm saying is that
there aren't enough commercialsalso representing the full
like-.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Spectrum.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I would take it a step further than that, which is
that it feels it feels, andthis is why I need data to
support it.
I need McKenzie or somebodyelse do a study, tell me how
many commercials actuallyrepresent this, but I know for
certain we're talking about it,so more people than just me are
noticing this.
It feels like an ideal is beingpresented, and that ideal is a
(51:57):
family that has a white parent,a black parent and mixed race
children, because that's whatmarketing does it creates.
It's supposed to both bereflective of us, but also be
aspirational for us, and Igenuinely I'm curious.
I'm sure someone out therethinks they know the answer.
(52:19):
So fuck with me, tell mesomething.
Why, why is that?
Why are we presenting that asan ideal?
Who does it serve?
Does it truly serve theadvertiser?
Does it truly serve the productor the company that is using
this form of marketing, form ofadvertising?
I know everybody's got theirtheories not actually looking
for theories right at thismoment.
(52:40):
Does someone have somethingthat is data supported, that can
tell me how are thesecommercials performing?
How are these advertisementsperforming?
Is there a reason why I seemore and more and more of this?
Because I'm an advertiser andif it's the case, I will put
mixed race children.
Oh, morgan says don't do it.
Okay, don't do it.
(53:00):
Well, why not, morgan?
I got shit to sell.
If they want mixed race babies,I will find them.
I'm just kidding, no, but deadass.
I really want to answer.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
I want to pull a girl within itself, because you
always see the samerepresentation of a mixed race
kid which is like this lightskin, light colored eyes,
perfectly curly hair which isnot always true.
Which is not always true, andso I am exhibit A.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
So I just think that that there should be a variety
of mixed race.
Yes, and Morgan, I just want topoint out perfectly, curly is
not something that exists.
Curly is whatever it is.
Is that perfect?
It's just hair Fill me, hello.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
What.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yes, I feel you.
Okay.
Thank you, well done, morgan.
Yeah, okay, morgan's scared.
I'm not scared.
I really like this one.
Can you just make sure at thetop of that shit we're gonna be
out here in five minutes, fourminutes.
(54:08):
Can you just make sure?
At the top of that shit it sayswhites.
I have a question.
I just want, I just need theand please, at the top, make the
question so blunt.
Do you all like mixed blackpeople better than non-mixed
black people?
Because the advertising istelling me that's what someone
(54:35):
is saying.
Is the American ideal for afamily?
I know it's coming.
I've been around a lot of mixedfolk.
I know you guys are gonna getspicy with me.
Some of y'all are gonna evensay I'm mixed Cause.
I know that's coming too.
It happened.
This is I've been in thisconversation for a long.
We've been having thisconversation for a long time.
Also, I love mixed people.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
I do.
My closest friends are mixed.
I love.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Morgan's mixed.
I love Morgan Like come on man,come on dude, come on.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Wait, you're not mixed, ah.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I just want.
I literally just want.
Is it cool?
Can someone just tell me, canyou just say the answer
definitively?
I would love for some whiteperson to comment like yeah,
actually we do prefer mixedpeople, cause I can write if
it's definitive, I can wrap myhead around that and I can
honestly accept it and leave italone.
It's like, oh okay, cool, allright, two more things.
(55:31):
I have an MBA to say onThursday.
Can I tease it?
I'm gonna tease it All rightvery quickly.
I'm gonna do this in one minute.
Um, phil Jackson has a theory.
We gotta do the Kanye thing onThursday too.
Really quickly.
Mba thing you can take thiswith you.
So, phil Jackson, no, fuck it,it's mine now.
(55:52):
Nevermind Phil Jackson.
I came up with a theory thatNot based on Phil Jackson.
Not based on Phil Jackson Idon't even know who that is that
NBA teams that make it to 40wins before 20 losses in the
regular season are the onlytitle contenders.
They're the only teams that canwin the title.
(56:14):
Only two teams in like the last40 something years have been
able to buck that theory.
Okay, so most of the time,almost 90% of the time, the team
that wins the championship getsto 40 wins before 20 losses.
Here are the teams in the NBAwho have a chance to meet that
(56:36):
bar.
There are seven of them theCeltics, the Bucks, denver, the
T-Wolves, the Clippers and theCavs and the Thunder.
Did I say Thunder, thunder?
Now I'm gonna tell you which ofthose teams are actual
contenders to win thechampionship and which are not.
And this is my combination ofthem being a part of that theory
(56:59):
.
They have a chance to meet thatbar and also just eyeballing
where they stand statisticallyand also what I see on my TV.
So the Celtics have alreadythey've already made it past the
bar.
They're 41 and 12.
First on offense.
Third on defense the Clippers35 and 17.
Second on offense, eighth ondefense the Nuggets, the
defending champs.
(57:19):
Statistically they're the worstof all these teams.
They're 35 and 18.
They're 12th on offense, 15thon defense.
But they have Jokic, they havethe system, they've been there
before.
They have a chance.
And the fourth this is thefourth.
There are only four teams thatcan win the title this year,
guys.
I'm telling you who.
They are the Celtics, theClippers, the Nuggets, and the
fourth is the MinnesotaTimberwolves.
(57:40):
They're 37 and 16.
They're 16th on offense, butthey're number one on defense.
I've seen them play in personthis year.
It is very difficult to scoreagainst them because of Rudy
Gobert and because of JadaMcDaniels and because of Anthony
Edwards and, honestly, becauseof Carl Anthony Towns.
He's seven feet and he's veryagile.
I would add to that for theT-wolves they are not highly
(58:12):
experienced in the playoffs, buttheir best players are not
young, except for AnthonyEdwards.
Their best players are notbabies.
Here are the fake contenders.
The Bucks I told you, guys,that when they got Damien
Lillard.
They're second on offense.
They're 17th on defense.
They're 35 and 19.
So there's a strong chance thatthey're not gonna clear this
bar anyway.
The Oklahoma City Thunderthey're 36 and 17.
They're fifth on offense, fifthon defense.
(58:33):
They remind me a lot of lastyear's Kings an over performer.
That, I think, is the lightsare gonna get a little bright
for them when the playoffs start.
And then the Cavs 35 and 16,14th on offense, second on
defense.
They almost got swept by JalenBrunson last year.
Y'all, I just can't.
(58:53):
I don't see them taking a leapfrom losing 4-1 to the Knicks
all the way up to winning thetitle this year.
So those are your four titlecontenders the Celtics, the
Clippers, the Nuggets, theMinnesota Timberwolves.
That's it.
There's nothing but anarchy.
Look out for our taped.
What is it?
What do you wanna call it onthis?
Look out for the episodes onthe live show.
(59:13):
It's coming out next week.
It'll be available via.
We Don't Know Yet, but we'regonna put a cover on it.
We're gonna make it availablefor sale like a live album, like
a live comedy album, kind ofthing, and we'll see you all
Thursdays.
We'll be right back here.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Thanks for watching.
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!