On this episode, Chad (as a therapized person) criticizes the involvement of therapists in our personal lives. Then, he recaps the 10 things someone should know before they quit their job and leaning into AI.
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome to nothing my Anarchy.
We have a bunch on the dockettoday, so I'm going to jump
right in.
This is going to be arelatively high level of
difficulty show, because thereare some things on the docket
(00:24):
today that require some level ofprecision by me.
I can't just spew, so let's seehow I do First, before we do
any of that.
We, morgatron and I, went toChanel.
Wait, am I allowed to talkabout this?
You told me you don't talkabout it.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, I said, you can talk about it, okay.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
All right.
So me and Morgatron went toChanel on Thursday.
That's why there was no show onThursday.
I was hired to do a book talkand it was kind of a book talk.
It was probably like half abook talk.
We I had a conversation withthe what were they called?
The Black Chanel Collective?
(01:04):
What are they called?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They're the Black Employee, the.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Black Employee Collective at Chanel, basically.
So it was maybe half Blackfolks that worked at Chanel,
half people of otherdemographics that worked at
Chanel.
The president of Chanel US wasthere, the COO of Chanel US was
there, or Chanel North Americawas there, and it was.
It was interesting becauseMorgatron was just making fun of
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me because I had to adjust mybandana before the thing started
and then I couldn't get itright and I threw it off and it
was like we mid conversation midconversation.
Yes, it was like we were doingthe show at Chanel, which I
think is a much more interestingand engaging way to do.
Most of the time it's like I'vebeen on both sides of this
(01:52):
right.
I used to be in the BlackGoogler network when I worked at
Google and the company hiressomebody who they think can come
and speak to the Blackemployees about, like Black
stuff.
Basically, I don't want to liketechnical term this to death
and it's usually someone that'slike.
It's usually a speaker whosomeone who works at the company
is a fan of.
(02:12):
They may have recommended thatperson to the rest of the group,
got some energy behind it, finda budget for it and pay the
person to come and talk.
And I've probably done like 20or so of these talks since my
book came out in 2021.
But this was if it wasn't thefirst one.
It was the first one at a, at acorporation of this size, where
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I was actually live and live incolor with the people, Like
before.
I've done one of these inNetflix on Zoom.
I've done one for Target, I'vedone one for.
I've done a couple for Google,I've done Twitter like, but they
were always on Zoom and youjust can't like get the same,
you just can't make it happenthe same way, you can't like
feel the room the same way.
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You can't see if somebodyagrees with you, you can't tell
who's paying attention, and sowhat ended up happening was we
basically just ended up doingthe show at Chanel, which was
like I was, there was someengagement with Morgan while I
was on stage.
There was like there was a lotof humor.
I would say there was, it wasit was.
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I got an amen out of somebody.
Yeah, like I could feel andtell that the people that, like
this is the thing, the blackfolks who work at the company
that you're at, I got toactually feel it, but I know it
on Zoom, but I got to feel itdifferently.
They want to nod and laugh andbe excited, but it takes like 30
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minutes for them to thaw fromthe feeling that their bosses
are in the room and it's scaryfor your bosses to know how much
you resent them in real life.
Okay, and so I could see that Icould feel it.
I kept telling them if you guysfeel what I'm saying, not at me
(04:02):
, like, move your body, it'sokay.
Like it's, you're supposed tobe safe in this room.
Now, of course, I know they'renot safe in the room because
their bosses are there Like, andquite literally, the president
of Chanel North America is there.
That's not even to speak to,like what that person's point of
view is or how they would treatthem or whatever.
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It's just like nobody feelssafe with their boss in the room
.
Nobody feels totally safe at acorporation with their boss in
the room.
So I thought it.
I personally had a lot of fun.
I think they had fun.
I think it was meaningful tothem.
I hope we get to do more of thatstuff.
I don't know.
That's just recap.
That's why we weren't here onThursday.
Here's some stuff on the dockettoday.
(04:44):
Also, tia Mowgli is supposed tobe in this room at some point
during this show, so when shecomes, we will.
Well, you probably won't evenknow that she's here until she
can have a microphone, she'll beright back.
All right, great Tia's our, our, nothing but anarchy resident
DJ.
Here are some things that areon the docket today Wee and
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therapist, specifically quittingGoogle.
Okay, I got extremely instant.
I'm getting quite.
I'm getting very Instagramming.
All right, I'm like, I'm in,I'm in there, I'm in Instagram.
I feel like I'm like a littleSuper Mario character swimming
around in Instagram, like whenyou go down the tube on Super
(05:27):
Mario and you're like in thatlittle under layer, I'm in there
.
I'm in there and I'm watchingpeople like Gary Vee, who I've
mentioned, like Mark Madsen Ithink this is the last name the
guy who wrote the subtle art ofnot giving a fuck.
I'm watching people who makestuff and who are good at
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branding themselves and speakingto their audience.
I'm watching what they do andI'm trying to adapt what I do to
that.
So I see that these people I'mtrying to like use all the tools
in my tool set.
Okay, one of the tools I haveis I'm I'm good at writing.
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I'm good at writing in longform.
I'm good at writing in shortform.
So I'm like there's something Iwant to convey to people right
now, which is in a week it willbe 10 years to the day that I
quit my job at Google, that Ileft Google to go work at a tech
startup.
That was like a half step towardthis.
That was like me.
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That was really me taking theplunge and being like I'm out of
here, this is not the life thatI want to have.
And I was young.
I was like, well, I was 25,morgan, and I was like this is
not it, this is not the life Iwant to have, like I'm getting
the fuck out of here.
The hardest conversations thatI had the two were the
conversation with my mom,because my mom was very scared.
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I think my mom is always alittle bit scared for me or or
of what will become of me,because you know your kids and I
think she's known since I wasvery, very little, that I will
run fast towards something thatI feel and I just felt like I
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got to get the fuck out of here.
This is not feel right, this isnot good.
I don't want to over talk,because I've written and talked
a lot about this thing and so Iquit and I left, and it's been
10 years since then and I havelearned a bunch about what it
takes to survive and to build alife for yourself that doesn't
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have a corporate backing behindit, that doesn't have a
corporate shell around it, thatdoesn't have somebody telling
you when you can get up and takea piss.
And I distilled thatinformation into 10 principles,
10 lessons, 10 things that Ihave learned, 10 things.
I wish honestly like peopletried to teach me this stuff.
When I was in this place, when Iwas first kind of going out on
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my own, people tried to let meknow what was what, but I
couldn't hear it right because Ijust hadn't had the experience
and I didn't.
I was, I was disoriented.
I was like so much was comingat me fast and also so much was
not happening fast that I wantedto happen fast that I just
couldn't digest it.
But now that it's been 10 years.
I've had some time to processsome of this stuff and I
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distilled it down into these 10,10, it's, I guess I would say,
of things that matter, thingsthat you're going to want to
know when you quit your job.
I'm going to get into those two10 things, but right at this
particular second, I'mdisoriented because Morgan left
the room.
Okay, she's back.
Hi, tia, all right, so Tia'shere.
(08:43):
We're now going to welcome Tia,and then I'm going to get back
into the thing that I was saying, because I come, because I'm
just going to be lost if I tryto just plow right through it.
So that's hi to you.
Are you ready to talk or do youwant a?
second no, I'm good, okay, allright.
Tia's here.
Tia's our resident nothing butanarchy DJ.
(09:06):
I had a personal conflict thismorning.
I knew that Tia was going to behere, and so I applied to
myself extra shea butter,because Tia's skin is always
poppin, but Morgan hates for myskin to be shiny on camera.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Why do you have to apply it to your face?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Just put it because, because I knew Tia was going to
be here and I didn't want to beup staged by Tia's poppin skin
and I knew that that was goingto happen.
It's fine, you made me wipe itoff.
It's all good.
Tia, what's going on?
How are you doing this morning?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'm feeling good.
I'm a little tired but I feelgood because I look even out
last night.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But where did you go last night?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
My friend DJ last night at Deluxe Flux for, like
this guy's after party, dustinDustin Conrad, he sings.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I'm going to start listening to his music this
morning, but then I turned itoff.
Why?
I thought it wasn't good, but Ijust was like I can't hear this
right now.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So you're okay, you aren't feeling it.
Well, that matters, because youare.
You are a DJ with a high levelof musical taste.
Um, okay, where was the party?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Um, it was on 14th Street.
It was cute.
It was Deluxe Flux.
Have you been?
They have one in, like I forgotwhere it bolted.
Is it Baltimore?
I think in Baltimore, okay, andthen they opened one in New
York.
It's really cool.
It's like a neon kind of room,really cute, kind of small, but
kind of cute, kind of big Really.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh, that looks pretty .
Yeah, it's dope.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's a really dope spot Um did you get some good
photos.
No, I just went there tosupport her, so I just was
chilling, honestly, but no one.
Every time I go there, no oneever dances.
So it's like it's never likethey dance, but it's like never
gets super.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's never like dancing, dancing.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, it's never gets super turned.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Is that?
Why?
Is it like two?
Is it like a little posh inthere?
Is it a little?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
pretentious, I don't know, it's not.
Though Every time I go there Inever see anyone like I never
see it get like like the heightof the party or even to a party
and it's like super lit Like Inever go there and see that.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Word.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I don't know if it's the DJs or like the crowd, I
don't know.
It was super cute, it was cute.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, I don't think I told you this, but um, the
party that you had that I wentto by myself, oh, so I had so
much fun.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It was lit, he talked about it.
He was like I had so much fun.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I did because it was like the kind of like it's hard
to find For me.
It's hard to find a party likethat in New York.
I feel, like that's more of likea Southern, even like where I'm
from in Maryland, like theparties are kind of a little
more like that.
It was like really, really goodmusic.
It was a lot of like trap anddance, trap dance music being
played, like people had theirhands on the floor, like it was
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like it was sweaty, like it wasSomeone told you how to speak,
how to devote or exercise toyourself, and and you attended a
course of thought.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
There's probably other ways to speak.
For you, it's it's calledspiritualOWN, really the deeper,
spiritualown side of you thatthrew some love and effort
towards ourselves.
For me, it was the bestexperience I've ever had the and
, and there's something.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I'd like to make.
Then she had kind of stayed in,pretty consistent with religion
as well, the opposite.
So then I don't think that Isafely watch it.
I got to skip the line andstand on the stage and it was
really fun, okay, okay, um, allright.
Therapy.
Yes, we're gonna move quickly,it's fine.
Okay, therapy we're not gonnamove that quickly, but we only
have.
There are four things that Ihave to get you to today Therapy
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, quitting Google, ai,artificial intelligence.
And then there's a bonus itemhere which, for the armchairs in
the room, you guys quickly andfervently let me know in my DMs
(13:00):
that I had hurt Monica Padman'sfeelings and so I need to
address that.
I'm going to address it a bit,but I'm going to address it more
in longer form.
On the Love Project, on mysub-stack.
But here we go.
All right, therapy.
Here's the thing it occurs to me.
I talked about this a littlebit on direct deposit, but a lot
of y'all think direct depositis a paywall.
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No matter it's behind a paywall, no matter how many times that
I say it's free, nobody's goingto understand that because it's
on Audible.
So it's fine, it's fine.
It'll be like my reasonabledoubt, one that I'll tell people
to go back for it later andyou'll understand that it's
really good.
But it's cool.
It was on Audible, so most ofy'all think you have to pay for
it Therapy.
I talked about it on directdeposit, but I need to reiterate
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right now okay, I am atherapist person.
Let me just get that out of theway, because some of you guys
are going to be mad and some ofyou guys are going to accuse me
of being a black man about whatI'm saying.
I am therapist.
All right, like it's fine, letit happen.
I have to say this it's okay toanalyze things that you also
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participate in that.
In fact, you should do that.
I think you should do that.
Here's my thing.
I think this is probably thebeginning of it.
Morgan, or everybody.
These therapists have us in aheadlock, they have us by the
balls and it's not good.
And here's why I was talking toa friend over the weekend, not
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going to say who, but he wastelling me he and his partner
are having some problems.
They're having a little roughpatch right now.
I know about rough patches inrelationships.
I was there to listen for manyhours.
One of the things that came upand it was a small, it was just
a throw in, it was just for asecond, it wasn't like you know,
it wasn't the long and short ofthe entire conversation, but he
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said he said her therapistthinks I'm dot, dot, dot and
that was a red flag for me.
It was a small fragment of anentire conversation that was
extremely meaningful to me.
Because of this, I think therapyis best utilized as a
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conversation with a assubjective I'm sorry as
objective, as objective a thirdparty there can be to bounce
perspective and to betterunderstand yourself.
And like any perspective, Ithink it is meant like the
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opinion, the point of view, theprocess of the therapist, like
all of it is meant to bedigested through your own
personal process.
But it is not gospel, it is notugh, take that out but it is
not.
Like it's not parables, likeit's not I don't even know
what's the word for like thehighest order of something that
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you have to take and that youhave to take with you and move
on right.
Said differently, our therapistshould not be telling us how to
live our lives.
I think it's inappropriate forsomeone's therapist, I'm sorry.
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I think it's inappropriate forsomeone to share with their
partner what their therapistthinks about them.
A partnership is between twopeople.
A therapist lives outside ofthat just like everybody else
does friends, family, strangers,pseudo friends, colleagues
therapist goes in that bracket.
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Like the therapist is no moresacred than to me, the
therapist's point of view is nomore sacred than your friends,
your moms, your teachers, yourcolleagues, your coworker, your
boss, like it is a perspective.
Now, the thing that makes itvaluable those are all valuable
perspectives, but the thing thatmakes the therapist's
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perspective valuable, in myopinion one is that this is
supposed to be a trainedprofessional who has an
understanding of humanpsychology.
Right, so they should be comingwith some level of scientific
understanding of human behaviorand how the brain works and how
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the person works in relationshipto the brain.
Also, what I think is valuableis that when you spend time with
a therapist, that time issupposed to be undivided
attention spent working on you.
It is like and this is where, asI have conversations with
people about therapy and Ilearned what other people's
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therapy experiences look likethis is where I see that
therapists are taking advantageof that relationship.
I know several people who havecomplained to me recently that
they spend almost just as muchtime talking about their
therapist's life in therapy asthey spend talking about their
own life.
I know many people who complain, and I know I work in Hollywood
.
I know a lot of fuckingtherapist people.
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I know some people who complainthat their therapist does not
show up and is not present fortheir therapy.
Like they're there, they're inthe seat but, as so many
therapists have, they have movedtherapy into a completely
online virtual relationship andso that person is able to sit
there and zone out and do otherstuff, sometimes while they're
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supposed to be helping someonewho is in their most vulnerable
state with whatever it is thatthey're going through.
That's problematic, but what Ithink is most problematic here
is the money in the therapyindustry.
I brought data with me so I'mnot just like a howling fucking
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dog up here.
Why are you laughing, morgan?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Because you just referenced yourself being not a
howling fucking dog.
I'm not okay.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
In 2019, the US mental health market spending
reached $225 billion.
Y'all, that was five years ago.
The US mental health marketspending reached $225 billion.
That was before COVID.
Okay, that was before everybodygot isolated and depressed and
sad.
According to Forbes, there arenow seven mental health unicorns
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.
A mental health unicorn means acompany.
That I think it means a companythat's worth a billion dollars.
That means there are sevenmental oh.
That means there are sevenmental health companies worth
over a billion dollars in the USalone.
That's up from just two two whymy voice cracked.
That's up from just two a yearago.
A quick Google search of theseven mental health billion
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dollar companies tells me thatall seven have white CEOs or
presidents at the top.
That's my own little special onethat I wanted to know about.
Here's the point of that.
Let me just make it super plain.
I am aware, while beingtherapized, that, much like a
consultant of any kind, a partof the interaction, a part of
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the transaction, is that thecustodian, the service person,
the therapist, the person infront of me, they want me to
keep coming back, like that's apart of the experience I am
paying this person.
This is a business transaction,as much as I want, as much as I
want, and as much as you guysyell and howl at me that this is
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some sort of like sort ofsacred and special and unique
relationship between two people.
And boy, are you guys gonnajump in here and defend your own
therapist in a second, whenthis is on the internet.
But it's a businessrelationship and that person
wants you to keep coming back.
You are paying that person'sbills, you're sending that
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person to college.
Most of the people who sit atopthis giant economic structure
that's been built on the therapyindustry all this fucking I've
done ads for better help All ofthat most of those people are
white people.
Most of the people all the wayat the top, like I just said,
these seven unicorn companiesare white dudes sitting atop an
industry that is servicing thepain, servicing the trauma of
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all of us people down here.
And they got us by the balls.
They got us to the point wheresomeone has to know not just
what their partner thinks aboutthem, but what their partner's
fucking therapist thinks aboutthem.
That feels like that just is.
That's crowding me, guys.
I don't like that.
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That's too.
That's an invasion.
I don't feel good about that.
Especially don't feel goodabout that, knowing the money
churn that's happening on top ofit, I don't like that.
Okay, morgan, put this next tothis on the docket, so I'm just
gonna go here next, but I thinkit's fine Because sometimes you
text me things with no context.
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I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
And so I try to piece it together in my head.
You do?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You do a great job.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This time it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You do a good job.
No, it's okay, you do a greatjob.
I don't have a good segue fromthat thing, but that's.
There's a real in there aboutmy, my fear and discomfort with
how we're being invaded by thetherapy industry and I'm
therapist Like, let me just makesure I get the right trappings
around this, morgan, what are wegonna be missing later that we
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need to make sure I have I puthere so that it's we can
sequence this later.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well is the point?
The point is the is that youthink the the relationship is
between two people and that atherapist coming in on that is
an invasion.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The point is that I think we are getting too.
I think like we went from beingtoo resistant huh Like wrapped
up in therapy.
Yes, I think I think we'regetting.
I think we started off as likeand I don't mean like totally
society, I mean kind ofparticularly black people.
I think that we started offquite resistant to this idea of
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therapy.
I think that those of us whowant to consider ourselves uh
progressive and helpingourselves are now participating.
We think we think that that isa good way to invest money in
ourselves and in our happinessand in our families.
And I'm worried that we're doingit without scrutinizing the
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process.
Like I'm worried that we'redoing it without being uh
analytical enough about what,what all that means.
Like it's bringing someoneelse's it.
Like it's bringing something.
Like this guy has never evenmet that therapist.
Like that person doesn't eventhat therapist's point of view
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on him is likely just areflection back of his partner's
point of view.
But it feels like a cop out tosay like well, my therapist
thinks this about you.
Like what do you think about me?
That's that's kind of the pointhere.
It feels this feels like aninvasion, like it just it feels
I just feel it.
I just know it's not.
I just this is not good.
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Um, this is not good, yes, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Oh wait, sorry, I have one thing too.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't know if it's like, if it makes sense, but I
hate when I'm I'm noticing likewhen I'm having conversations
with someone like our friendthat's going to therapy, they'll
start using and I go to therapy, but like, they'll start using
like, like, instead of becominga friend, like I'll be having a
conversation, they'll startbecoming like my therapist and
using like therapy terms andlike, in a sense of I don't even
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know how to like explain itwhen it doesn't feel like I'm
talking to my friend.
I feel like okay, like, am Italking to your therapist or am
I talking to you?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yes, that makes sense .
Yeah, we're like people aretrying to adopt this clinical
lexicon and vibe in conversationthat where they're not trained,
they're just like takingsomething that someone else,
over a zoom screen, said to themand bringing it, bringing it
into your friendship, likebringing it to brunch.
That is a terrible hang, that'sno fun.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
On another level, though, yes, I go to therapy.
I've always wanted to go totherapy.
I tried it once and I just likeI didn't, my therapist and I
had to part ways, but I've, likeit's something that I do want
to do, but as someone who, like,doesn't have the health
insurance and like whatever, Iappreciate sometimes when I get
like the oh, like.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm getting like a free therapy session.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, wait, tell me more about like what your
therapist would say.
But that's what it's likesolicited Like, not like if it's
just like a random conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
So it's like anything else, like I get it.
We're learning.
We're kind of all learningtogether.
We're sharing.
We're sharing what we learn inthose rooms with each other.
We're trying our best, like I'mnot, I'm not.
This is not to persecute theperson going and trying to do
something that will help theirlife.
I, but I cannot, I can't unseethe money and who is like
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holding the controls up thereand who it is so expensive to
have this.
Many better help ads across,spread across every fucking
podcast on earth.
Like also, I mean, it's notjust better help, what's another
one?
I don't want to just poke atbetter help, yeah, whatever.
I heard one this morning onBalmany Jones show.
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It's like this is beingdistributed to us.
I think there is some good thatwill come with it, and I also
think it is going to drain ourfinances in a way that, like
we're already poor, like we'realready broke, like now we're
going to give all our money totherapists.
Okay, let's go to it.
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Oh wait, all right, I'm goingto do Morgan's docket item.
I think it's in there.
I think it's in there.
I'm going to go to Morgan'sdocket item real quick.
I'm also just going to say onemore time so you can start.
I burp in here a lot.
I'm sorry, tia.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Any sniffles.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And I sniffle.
I don't know what it is.
It's like it's liquids I'mconsuming while I'm up here.
Whatever I want to put a finelike ending on that thing, which
is I am one of you.
I am also therapist.
Do not start calling Don't.
I can see the ways you guyslike to dismiss opinions that
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come from people that look acertain way.
I see it and I'm getting aroundit.
You can't accuse me of beinglike one of these niggas with
dreads who thinks therapy isdumb.
I go to therapy like so don'ttry it, don't even fucking try
it.
All right, I'm going to hitthis really quick.
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And then we got to move onbecause we got two more big
docket items to get to in 30minutes.
I watched the Shannon Sharpinterview with Johnny Menzel.
Shannon Sharp is on an absoluteroll.
He's so good at this.
His show is also like I washaving a conversation with a
friend.
He was asking is Shannon Sharppaying for these guests and my?
(28:13):
Just from seeing the industrymove, my best deduction is that
people are now probably offeringShannon money to get on his
platform and I would guess thathis team is mostly at this point
turning money down from peoplewho want to come on the platform
because it has such a largedigital imprint, has such a
large cultural reach.
Now Shannon Sharp did somethingcool.
(28:34):
I'm watching him move with hisshow.
He's only had two white guestson the show.
The show part of what I waswatching, the Tyler Perry
documentary real last night andwhich is mostly an infomercial
for Tyler Perry.
But I saw something that waspoignant was said, which is one
of his producers or studiomanagers or whatever was saying
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he used to take his mom toBroadway shows and his mom one
day said like I like when youtake me to these expensive
Broadway shows, but I reallylove going to the Tyler Perry
shows because the Tyler, whenI'm at the Tyler Perry shows, I
feel safe.
I feel safe.
I'm with my people.
We laugh at the same jokes.
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We say hmm, at the same moments.
I don't feel judged.
I don't feel like somebody'sgonna I'm paraphrasing she
didn't say all this, but like.
Or I'm extrapolating, but like.
I don't feel like somebody'sgoing to step on my feet and not
say excuse me.
My boy sent me a funny tweetthat said white people will
crawl between your legs beforethey say excuse me.
Like.
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That shit doesn't happen at aTyler Perry show.
It's all.
It's us in the room and wetreat each other like people
Good, bad and otherwise.
What's the connection?
What the fuck was I talkingabout?
Johnny Manziel?
So Shannon Sharp has done agood job of cultivating a safe
environment for his guest andfor us as the viewers I have
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talked about before.
When you have somebody on yourshow, you're bringing them to
somebody's life.
You cannot, just because youthink somebody is going to be
spicy or is going to, you know,create a moment with you.
You can't just like bringassholes into people's lives all
the time.
I don't believe in that.
That's simple.
Shannon Sharp has done a goodjob of building the guest list
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with this show because he hashad a bunch of black guests.
And then, yeah, johnny Manziel.
And Johnny Manziel is, I think,and I am very, very, very, very
, very, very, very I have a veryhigh bar for who I would apply
this to I think Johnny Manzielis welcome at the cookout,
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because and I didn't put thesepieces together when the first
time around on the JohnnyManziel story but I've realized
now that Johnny Manziel's familyhad this kid who they knew to
be an extremely valuable prizejewel of the family, who had the
prospects of being like ahundred million dollar
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quarterback one day.
They knew that because theywere already trying to drain
money from Texas A&M while hewas there, because they knew how
valuable their kid was, as theyshould.
And on Johnny Manziel'smatriculation, during his
matriculation, they entrustedtheir family's prize jewel with
two black men.
Two black people.
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What's the stuff saying that?
So much Two black people KevinSumlin, the coach at the time at
Texas A&M, and George Whitfield, who at the time was the
biggest black quarterbacktrainer in the world.
We know that today the biggestquarterback trainer in the world
is the friend of the show,quincy Avery, but that is rare.
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Everybody around football willtell you.
When these, especially whenthese white quarterbacks are
coming up through the pipeline,it is so unusual for their
families to trust anybody blackas a coach around their kid.
That's why and that is one of ahundred reasons why the black
coaching pipeline is the waythat it is right now is because
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white parents will not handtheir kid over to someone that
doesn't look like them.
And the Manziel's did that, andI noticed with Johnny sitting
with Shannon Sharp.
This person seems comfortableand like he has been around
black folks before, includingblack people in a place of
authority where they areresiding over him, like where
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they have, where they're theboss and he is the pupil, and he
seemed comfortable in thatsetting and he didn't.
I didn't find him to becondescending to Shannon, I
didn't find him to do any ofthat weirdo shit, like he just
sat there and did the interviewand he's an extremely good
storyteller.
He has so much to say.
He's very independent and he isvery pro NCAA independence.
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He is for the players gettingwhat they deserve from the NCAA
and that's all shit that Iappreciate.
So let's get an interview.
Yesterday I called it's sofunny.
Like I feel like remember whenyou were like you thought we
should do a live show but youwaited a long time to tell me
cause you were like, as soon asI tell him this, he's going to
be so thirsty.
Yes, I feel like the oppositeside of that coin was yesterday
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where I was like, oh man, I gotto tell Morgan I want to try
this thing.
I've been sitting on this for awhile.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I've been wanting to tell you but and he goes, okay,
so here it is, and he likeexplained his new thought for
what we should do with the show.
But yeah, no, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I just, yeah, I feel actually, let me speak to that
for a second and then we'll getinto this.
I promise I got to handle onthe time I got it.
Well, I just did it.
There's okay.
There is, I think, for creativepeople and just like for
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anybody who is trying new stuffall the time.
There's this balance where, okay, you get so excited about an
idea, you sit with it.
I'll say, speak for myself.
I usually like try to sit withit for a second until I know I
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feel so inspired by it that if Ishare it with someone and they
think it's dumb, I won't care.
If I share it with someone andthey can kill my joy for it,
that means I didn't really loveit, it wasn't really real.
Then, once I get to that pointand I'm like, okay, this is now
something I want to do, I dorealize that, especially with
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someone like you, it can soundexciting, but I also know it
sounds like work, and so I'mlike and then there's other
friends where I know, oh my God,these are the worst.
I have other friends who arelike just so frankly, like just
so cynical about how they seelife that it's hard for them to
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even understand the excitementof a new idea, because they're
looking for the way thateverything will not work all the
time.
They're looking for the thingthat's gonna, that's going to
tank it.
They're looking for the reasonwhy.
Oh, like, one reason why I'mnot telling anybody the title
for my book until it's on acover is because I don't want to
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hear the sound in someoneelse's voice.
That's like oh, I guess that'sokay.
Or like you know, what I mean,or like because they won't say
the words but you can hear it intheir voice.
And I'm just like at this point, I'm just like.
I just know sometimes somethingis a good idea.
Sometimes I have bad ideas too,like sometimes I do, but like
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you gotta like shoot your shotAnyway.
So, morgan, I appreciate youbecause you manage the feeling
well, you manage it well.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You're like, yeah, Well, yeah, the other thing was
like he tells me and I'm likeokay, and he goes.
I can hear him like holding hisbreath.
I'm like sorry, like you've hadmonths or however long, to
marinate on this, you're justnow telling me, like I'm just,
I'm thinking about it.
He's like okay, okay, and then,because you're a writer,
storyteller, he paint, we keeptalking.
(36:22):
And then he actually likepainted a picture and I'm like,
oh, like that would be dope.
And he's like, okay, you see it.
I was like, yeah, you shouldhave started there.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Okay, I'm gonna.
That was good, that was like agood, that was a good response
for me to remember that startwith like the big, pretty
version of it and then we canwalk back into the details of it
.
And so basically, what it is iswe're going to start doing the
show.
We're gonna try, we're gonnaexperiment with doing the show
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outside, sometimes, like maybeas an example this I'll take the
feedback from Morgan I want toevoke the imagery of like the
old school storyteller who'slike standing on top of
something and just like speakingabout the world and the
universe and life, and which isbasically what the show is at
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this point.
But I want to do it where thebackdrop of like as an extinct
about it, like this, literally,maybe I'm standing on an actual
soap box, maybe we go to soapbox, stick it in the middle of
the field in Prospect Park, inthe big part of the you know,
with all the grass and whatever.
Get a good mic that I can usethat will pick up my voice and
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cancel out the you knowbackground and shoot an episode
of the show like standing in themiddle of Prospect Park.
If a few people come and listen, that's great.
If they don't, then like it'sjust gonna look beautiful when
we make a reel out of it, youknow.
Another example could be there's, like I take Penny to this
giant it's not actually grass,it's like some kind of turf, but
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it's huge.
It's like this big ass, thinkof like the size of like two or
three football fields.
It's walking distance from myhouse in Queens.
The train goes by next to it,but not that frequently and it
just looks like.
It looks like an oasis in themiddle of like a very industrial
part of New York City and thesky will sometimes look very
beautiful with the backdrops andstuff.
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Like we could do an episodethere.
If you've seen the photos thatwe did when we did like Alicia
Day at my old high school on thehigh school football field,
like I'm trying to like get thatin here.
I'm trying to like make theshow look bigger, basically.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So the only thing I vetoed was he was like I think
we could do it in the subway andI was like nope.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yes, she shut it down so fast.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
All right, moving on.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, 10 things I learned since I quit my job at.
Google.
All right, now the exercise ofmaking these 10 things.
This is what I called it 10things to know before you quit
your job.
So I did all this work.
You guys are gonna be like ittook that much work to make this
.
Yes, it did.
I spent several days thinkingthis through.
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I went to brunch with myselfand journaled these out in long
form.
I wrote them out in like 30 to50 word sentences and then I
distilled them all down to fiveto 10, 20 words because they
have to fit on one slide each.
But I'm trying to be.
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I've been listening to I forgothis name Michael Pollan.
No, the other guy, adam,something or other, one of these
old white guys talking about,like, generosity to your
audience.
Even if you think something isobvious to you, someone else
doesn't know it and they need toknow it.
And this is kind of one ofthose things.
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And sitting with these things,sitting with these principles,
things that I wished I had knownwhen I quit my job, it helped
crystallize stuff that I need toremember, even like right now
today.
All right, I quit my job atGoogle 10 years ago to the day
because I was never going tohave my dream at Google.
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I was never.
There was no path for me fromwhere I sat as a human resources
associate to where I am rightthis second and where I think
I'll be 10 years from now.
There was no path from thatthing to this thing besides
jumping ship and like makingthat path.
And here are 10 things I wish Ihad known before I jumped ship.
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These are 10 things to knowbefore you quit your job.
One, a very important one.
It can feel like you are aboutto walk into the abyss by
yourself.
You are not alone.
There are over 80 millionfreelancers in the United States
and that number grows by 2million each year.
Two, very important.
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I was thinking about this one alot recently Learn how to sell
right now.
If you can't sell, you will notsurvive out here.
90% of my job is sales.
My conversation with Morganyesterday about that idea that's
a sales conversation.
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I have to get Morgan excitedabout moving on something.
I throw a lot of ideas atMorgan and only the ones where I
can really sell it are the oneswhere that actually happened,
you know but it's not just that.
Like Morgan, in the last twoweeks we've probably had six
different conversations aboutsales.
Like Chanel is a salesconversation.
(41:34):
We got a message last nightfrom the AI guy that I have to
get to.
That's a sales conversation.
Selling tickets for live shows,selling tickets for workshop,
selling sponsorships I'm rightnow cold outreaching sponsors
every single day, dozens to findsome money for my socials and
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for this show.
Like this shit is all sales.
Selling a TV series, sales amovie script, sales a book to a
publisher, sales Like it's cuteto think about this whole thing
as like creative fulfillment andart and yada, yada.
It's like why am I yelling?
Cause I really feel this.
If you guys want it to be cute,fucking write in your.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but if you want it to be cute,
go fucking write in yourjournal and share it with a
friend.
If you want to do it for aliving, you have to sell Like
that's what's going on, allright, your friends will gossip
and judge you.
This is number three.
Your friends will gossip andjudge you.
It'll hurt your feelings, butthey're projecting deep down.
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They admire your bravery.
This one's spicy, morgan.
You didn't tell me to cancelthis one.
You told me to cross off theother one.
You liked this one.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
No, you asked me which one I liked the least, and
the other one was just.
These were all fairly inspiring, and then the other one was
just more factual.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Okay, great, this one is true.
Man, your friends will gossipand judge you.
I had some friends that werereally mean to me.
My friends were like, when Iquit my job and probably even
for those first five years ofthis whole process, being like I
don't ever want to think that Iwas dusty, but like being a
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little less moisturized, likejust being like a little.
Just like not being able toafford to go to stuff and like
not, you know, like I couldn'tdo the sexy vacations and like
all you fucking Martha's Vineers, head ass niggas, like I
couldn't go to that.
You know, I went one summer andI slept on the couch and like,
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and some of it I might haveprojected onto my friends, but
like I can feel pretty good,like I can feel pretty well.
I felt judgment and bullying andpeople trying to leverage the
moment where I was needy and nothaving and trying to undermine
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my confidence in that moment.
And that's what I mean.
I'm not making it up.
This is what happens when youleave safety and people notice
you do not feel safe.
There are some people who aregoing to rush to make you feel
safe and better and let you knowthat they have your back and
there are a few people who aregonna rush to be just that close
to where you stand to make youthink that's what they're there
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for.
But what they're really therefor is to get an up close and
personal look at just howvulnerable you are so they can
see what they can take.
That was good.
Put that in the real, pleasePut that in the real.
Okay, I'm sorry I didn't mean todo the point finger.
And deep down, they admire yourbravery.
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I think that goes withoutsaying.
I think that's obvious.
I bet your friends I'm pointing, but it's a different point I
bet your friends I have both ofy'all friends really admire how
you guys are moving right now,like how you know what I'm
saying.
Can you feel that from yourfriends?
Yeah, yeah, I bet they do.
I do too.
I admire that about y'all.
All right Four.
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Your family will worry, butthey don't have to live in your
life when your plan works.
They'll say they alwaysbelieved in you.
That's just true.
Like I mean, my mom is gonna beworried.
My mom continues to be worriedabout me to this moment, but she
didn't seem that worried at thelive show which was very nice.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, she was having the time of her life, yeah she
was all about it so.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
But your family is gonna be worried and like the
thing about it is, if you'retaking a risk, if you're betting
on yourself, there's somereason to worry, but you're
gonna manage it.
Like you're gonna make gooddecisions as they come at you.
If you have to go back and grabonto some safety and go get a
job or whatever, like you'llfigure it out.
Your family's gonna be worried,because that's what families do
.
They're also going to be soproud of you when you pull off
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your thing that was so earnestand I mean it.
Five.
Oh, my God, we're running outof time.
Fear and urgency will becomeregular feelings.
They'll help you learn tomanage your time and trust your
gut.
Those are instincts.
So I'm gonna say, five out ofseven days of the week I wake up
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with.
It's less right now, in thismoment, but I'm gonna give you
all what it was like for 2019.
Like no, let's say 2017 to 2021.
I wake up with just like thisfeeling of scarcity, fear,
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urgency.
If I don't do this, this, thisand this, I'm not gonna be able
to pay my bills.
If I don't do this, this, thisand this, my career's gonna
stagnate.
I'm not gonna get anotheropportunity.
I'm not gonna get in front ofthe person that I need to sign
off on this thing.
Where is this contract?
Where is the money that I'mowed for this thing?
I would just I wake up.
I mean, it's not that I'm sodifferent today, like I send a
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lot of texts to Morgan that arelike, hey, where's our money?
But these feelings, the fearyou will feel like you are
already vulnerable at yourcompany.
Your company can wave a swiftaxe and get you up out of there
and you're gonna be right outhere in this space that we're
talking about, unwillingly.
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If you step into this spacewillingly, you will feel those
feelings of fear and urgencyquite frequently, to the point
that they will just sort ofbecome a natural part of your
flow.
And when you feel like yourback is up against the wall,
like your mind makes quick,creative decisions, like you can
figure things out fast and youcan prioritize and you can stop
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dealing with stuff that doesn'teven matter, and in fact, all
those little feelings, thingsabout like oh, my friends are
being mean to me, like when theurgency was at its highest, I
didn't have time for any of thatshit and it was nice to like
release that stuff when the fearwas at its peak.
Six.
You're just you now.
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That's plenty.
Nobody cares where you used towork.
Stop bringing up your old jobat parties.
I think that one is prettyself-explanatory.
I just know I was the guy whowas for at least two or three
years.
I mean I'm doing it right now,but for at least two or three
years I just continued to tellpeople that I used to work at
Google because I thought thatwas such a feather in my cap.
It probably it didn't dawn onme until I, like had other
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things that I was proud of aboutmyself that I had spent such a
long time trying to leverage abrand Google.
That didn't mean anything inHollywood, like that didn't mean
anything in entertainment.
I was just, I was clinging toan identity because I wasn't
ready to just be like just Chad,but that's the person,
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whoever's actually in there,void of your company's brand or
whatever circle you hang outwith or whoever you used to work
for or whatever production youused to work on, like man Dude,
like I mean here's an easyexercise for it Like I'm always
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deleting stuff off my Instagrambio when I realize nobody cares.
Nobody cares that I wrote forrap shit.
Nobody cares.
Like delete.
Okay enough, I'm not gonna bespicy, but that's it.
Stop bringing it up.
Six, seven, seven Things willget quiet.
That's when you'll hear yourinner voice.
That voice will tell you whereto go.
It was striking to me when Ileft my job no more company
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email, no more like text circleswith the colleagues, no more
like let's meet up in thecafeteria.
Like it was shocking to me howquiet the world is during
workday hours.
Like it was shocking to me togo from the contrast of this
constant buzz of noise, ofemails.
You gotta read company allhands off sites, coworkers,
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birthdays, let's go have pizzain the conference room, like all
that shit.
All of a sudden it's quiet andall I could hear was my own
voice.
Like all I could hear was myown thoughts.
Every day, every moment, all Icould hear was go sit your ass
in that coffee shop and finishthat TV pilot so you can figure
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out what happens next.
And I'm used to that quiet now.
Like that quiet is reallyimportant to me now.
Like I need time to hear my ownvoice and corporate
environments rob us of that onpurpose.
Oh, my God, I messed up thecount.
I'm just gonna do one.
I'm just gonna say numbers.
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Oh no, I didn't.
No, I didn't.
I got it right.
Eight, let yourself have fun.
You're choosing this path toenjoy your life.
Don't punish yourself for thatdecision.
I have spent too much time overthe last 10 years thinking about
the urgency I feel, the thingsI have to sacrifice, the times
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when I feel afraid, likenothing's happening, nothing's
moving.
Where am I going?
I have spent way too much timedwelling on those feelings
instead of letting the feelingsof freedom, joy, I get to choose
what I wanna do next.
I get to talk to who I want toin my day.
I get to pick projects Like.
I have spent way more timedwelling than just like bathing
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in those feelings of excitement,joy, curiosity, the
exhilaration of all of this.
Like, this is a roller coaster.
It's fun.
You're allowed to feel fun.
Like.
You're allowed to like, ifyou're gonna do this and if
you're gonna, if you're gonnabet on yourself, you're gonna
take a risk.
If you're gonna try this thingoutside of the corporate world.
Like, let it be an adventure.
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Like, let it in.
It's cool, it's not.
You know what I mean.
It's not, it's not here to hurtyou.
It's fun.
I punished myself.
I shouldn't have done that.
There's a waste.
This is just a picture of mybadge.
This is my badge.
You've seen it.
I got two more almost done.
Boom boom, all right, boom,boom, okay.
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Nine reduce costs.
Keeping a low overhead freezeyou up to invest time and money
in your dream.
Your friends may go on fancyvacations and it's gonna suck to
miss out, but your time is yourown now.
That's better than vacation.
And 10, 10's very important.
10 is very important.
I did this to myself.
You don't have to do this.
I told myself a story that thispath has to be lonely.
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That's not true.
I told myself a story thatindependence means being alone.
That's not true.
Number 10 is ask for help.
I told you all.
There's 80 million people outhere freelancing.
There are people like me whowant to help you do this thing.
The more of us that are outhere.
It's almost like a damn union,like we have each other.
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We can talk, we can sharesecrets.
I can tell you how much.
I just told somebody yesterdayhow much I charge for a TV pilot
.
I can tell you how much do Icharge for a corporate speaking
gig.
How do I invoice?
How do I get insurance, allthat stuff?
Ask for help.
I will help you.
Hit me, dm me, email,morganatarcherchatcom.
That's the real.
(53:26):
Okay, the real is done.
How do I end?
Speaker 2 (53:30):
it.
You want to end it.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
No, I want to end it by saying these are 10 things
you will want to know before youquit your job.
If you need help, hit me up,nice, all right.
In 30 seconds I'm going to saywhat happened with AI.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
All right, I accept that AI is happening, whether I
like it or not.
I myself am not big enough ormeaningful enough artistically
to be the thing that pushes backa giant wave.
Nobody can do that.
It's happening.
I made a video did you see myvideo of the dreadlocks man?
(54:07):
It was so weird, it was reallyweird.
I put into an AI video generatorbecause I'm like, I got to mess
with this.
I got to know what's going on.
If Tyler Perry is going tocancel his studio build to be an
AI, to like, use AI for hisproductions, I need to know
what's going on.
So I've been messing with thetools.
I made a 90 second AI videogenerated thing, which is a
(54:31):
video I just put into theprompter of black man transform.
A black man with dreadlockstransforms into a jellyfish.
That's what I put and it spitback at me.
This weirdo thing.
It's kind of pretty but it'salso kind of dystopian and it
has weird cutaways.
It has a weird cutaway to likea toy car.
I don't even understand what'sgoing on there.
Then the guy turns into a whiteguy and he's like underneath a
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jellyfish.
It's like an umbrella for him.
It's weird.
I don't know, but there'ssomething there and I did this.
I wrote this long ass posttalking about my feelings about
AI and why I need to, why I gotto get my hands in it, cause I
got to.
I'm not going to just be adinosaur, like I'm not just
going extinct because AI is hereand then I posted it.
(55:16):
I spent like 45 minutes on thisman.
These captions take time.
This is writing.
All this shit is writing unlessyou use AI for it.
But I posted it.
I've been spending.
I've been sending out likedozens of sponsor outreach and
starting to get responses.
Most of the responses are likeemail this thing, send this
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thing to this thing, blah, blah,blah.
Like they none of them make iteasy, of course, but as soon as
I press send, as soon as I presssend, I go to my texts.
Morgan has texted me threeminutes prior and the text says
and I'm not going to say exactlywhat it says, but it basically
says it's an AI company that isreaching out to talk about doing
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a sponsor collaboration with me, basically, and that I'll come
back to this to start nextepisode.
Maybe, probably not, but thatcould be looked at as
serendipity.
That could also be looked at asdamn.
The robots are really listeninghard to what's going on with us
.
Like the robots might haveknown that from me literally
(56:22):
just making the caption in myphone, and it's going to get
harder and harder for us to tellthe difference between those
two things Serendipity or thealgorithm making something look
like a coincidence, and that'sprobably why people are scared
of AI.
Okay, last thing, we're out ofhere.
All my stories some of y'allknow you guys have asked me 100
(56:48):
million times if me and Monicahave a thing.
Monica Padman from the ArmchairExpert podcast.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
First off, I just want to make sure you slow down
when you're in the frame.
Okay, I'm going to slow down.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Morgan has slowed me down.
Morgan has slowed me down.
I mostly have ignored you all'squestions about that out of
respect for Monica.
I responded to one of thosequestions because they come
(57:20):
quite frequently and I said inso many words Monica's dope,
monica's super smart, monica'san amazing professional, like
Monica is a boss, monica'sMonica, monica.
I said many nice things aboutMonica, complimenting her as a
professional, because I have aprofessional relationship with
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her and I know that this.
I know all this shit can be alittle, it can look fuzzier or
stickier than it is sometimesbecause it's like I don't know
even what to call it.
It's like show businessadjacent, it's like digital show
business, but we have aprofessional relationship and I
wanted to get that across and indoing so I meant to be clear
(58:09):
that, like me and Monica don'thave like a thing going on or
anything like that and I becauseI thought it was again, I
thought it was respectful andworthwhile to make that clear.
And now I realize, becauseMonica mentioned it on Armchair
Expert on their Friday episode,she mentioned at the end in the
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recap that that hurt herfeelings and I feel bad for that
, like I don't want to hurtanybody's feelings.
Well, that's not true.
I don't want to hurt herfeelings.
And I also realized that like Icould have avoided that by just
(58:53):
like ignoring those questionsaltogether, and I was trying to
be communicative to the audience, honest and respect her
professional space all at once,and I guess I'll have to think
about how I might do thatdifferently next time.
So, yeah, I've reached out toMonica.
I'll probably, I probably amgonna examine a bit more, just
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like this, all the dynamics atplay here.
Man, when you're like in frontof a camera, in front of a
microphone, this is a business,but it's also.
I can't act like this isn'tfucking playtime, like it's all
those things at once.
You know it's I'm doing a loveproject and so I mean like now I
(59:36):
am gonna do the thing which islike if you want my full
thoughts and point of view onthis, you will go to my love
project on Substack and that'swhere you will find them.
But yeah, I don't know that'swhat happened, and sometimes you
get it right and sometimes youget it wrong.
But I feel I felt my firstfeeling when I heard it was aw
(59:59):
man, like literally, and I don'tfeel this feeling that often.
I was just like I felt bad.
I felt like I owed somebody anapology.
Remember when I apologized toyou?
Yes, yeah, okay, this has beennothing but an interview.
Yeah, this is another way.
Anarchy, goodbye, thank you.
Love project on my Substack Toplink in my bio.
If you want my full thoughts,go back.
All right, welcome to nothing my Anarchy.
We have a bunch on the dockettoday, so I'm going to jump
right in.
This is going to be arelatively high level of
difficulty show, because thereare some things on the docket
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today that require some level ofprecision by me.
I can't just spew, so let's seehow I do First, before we do
any of that.
We, morgatron and I, went toChanel.
Wait, am I allowed to talkabout this?
You told me you don't talkabout it.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, I said, you can talk about it, okay.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
All right.
So me and Morgatron went toChanel on Thursday.
That's why there was no show onThursday.
I was hired to do a book talkand it was kind of a book talk.
It was probably like half abook talk.
We I had a conversation withthe what were they called?
The Black Chanel Collective?
(01:04):
What are they called?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They're the Black Employee, the.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Black Employee Collective at Chanel, basically.
So it was maybe half Blackfolks that worked at Chanel,
half people of otherdemographics that worked at
Chanel.
The president of Chanel US wasthere, the COO of Chanel US was
there, or Chanel North Americawas there, and it was.
It was interesting becauseMorgatron was just making fun of
(01:30):
me because I had to adjust mybandana before the thing started
and then I couldn't get itright and I threw it off and it
was like we mid conversation midconversation.
Yes, it was like we were doingthe show at Chanel, which I
think is a much more interestingand engaging way to do.
Most of the time it's like I'vebeen on both sides of this
(01:52):
right.
I used to be in the BlackGoogler network when I worked at
Google and the company hiressomebody who they think can come
and speak to the Blackemployees about, like Black
stuff.
Basically, I don't want to liketechnical term this to death
and it's usually someone that'slike.
It's usually a speaker whosomeone who works at the company
is a fan of.
(02:12):
They may have recommended thatperson to the rest of the group,
got some energy behind it, finda budget for it and pay the
person to come and talk.
And I've probably done like 20or so of these talks since my
book came out in 2021.
But this was if it wasn't thefirst one.
It was the first one at a, at acorporation of this size, where
(02:33):
I was actually live and live incolor with the people, Like
before.
I've done one of these inNetflix on Zoom.
I've done one for Target, I'vedone one for.
I've done a couple for Google,I've done Twitter like, but they
were always on Zoom and youjust can't like get the same,
you just can't make it happenthe same way, you can't like
feel the room the same way.
(02:53):
You can't see if somebodyagrees with you, you can't tell
who's paying attention, and sowhat ended up happening was we
basically just ended up doingthe show at Chanel, which was
like I was, there was someengagement with Morgan while I
was on stage.
There was like there was a lotof humor.
I would say there was, it wasit was.
(03:15):
I got an amen out of somebody.
Yeah, like I could feel andtell that the people that, like
this is the thing, the blackfolks who work at the company
that you're at, I got toactually feel it, but I know it
on Zoom, but I got to feel itdifferently.
They want to nod and laugh andbe excited, but it takes like 30
(03:39):
minutes for them to thaw fromthe feeling that their bosses
are in the room and it's scaryfor your bosses to know how much
you resent them in real life.
Okay, and so I could see that Icould feel it.
I kept telling them if you guysfeel what I'm saying, not at me
(04:02):
, like, move your body, it'sokay.
Like it's, you're supposed tobe safe in this room.
Now, of course, I know they'renot safe in the room because
their bosses are there Like, andquite literally, the president
of Chanel North America is there.
That's not even to speak to,like what that person's point of
view is or how they would treatthem or whatever.
(04:22):
It's just like nobody feelssafe with their boss in the room
.
Nobody feels totally safe at acorporation with their boss in
the room.
So I thought it.
I personally had a lot of fun.
I think they had fun.
I think it was meaningful tothem.
I hope we get to do more of thatstuff.
I don't know.
That's just recap.
That's why we weren't here onThursday.
Here's some stuff on the dockettoday.
(04:44):
Also, tia Mowgli is supposed tobe in this room at some point
during this show, so when shecomes, we will.
Well, you probably won't evenknow that she's here until she
can have a microphone, she'll beright back.
All right, great Tia's our, our, nothing but anarchy resident
DJ.
Here are some things that areon the docket today Wee and
(05:07):
therapist, specifically quittingGoogle.
Okay, I got extremely instant.
I'm getting quite.
I'm getting very Instagramming.
All right, I'm like, I'm in,I'm in there, I'm in Instagram.
I feel like I'm like a littleSuper Mario character swimming
around in Instagram, like whenyou go down the tube on Super
(05:27):
Mario and you're like in thatlittle under layer, I'm in there
.
I'm in there and I'm watchingpeople like Gary Vee, who I've
mentioned, like Mark Madsen Ithink this is the last name the
guy who wrote the subtle art ofnot giving a fuck.
I'm watching people who makestuff and who are good at
(05:50):
branding themselves and speakingto their audience.
I'm watching what they do andI'm trying to adapt what I do to
that.
So I see that these people I'mtrying to like use all the tools
in my tool set.
Okay, one of the tools I haveis I'm I'm good at writing.
(06:10):
I'm good at writing in longform.
I'm good at writing in shortform.
So I'm like there's something Iwant to convey to people right
now, which is in a week it willbe 10 years to the day that I
quit my job at Google, that Ileft Google to go work at a tech
startup.
That was like a half step towardthis.
That was like me.
(06:31):
That was really me taking theplunge and being like I'm out of
here, this is not the life thatI want to have.
And I was young.
I was like, well, I was 25,morgan, and I was like this is
not it, this is not the life Iwant to have, like I'm getting
the fuck out of here.
The hardest conversations thatI had the two were the
conversation with my mom,because my mom was very scared.
(06:52):
I think my mom is always alittle bit scared for me or or
of what will become of me,because you know your kids and I
think she's known since I wasvery, very little, that I will
run fast towards something thatI feel and I just felt like I
(07:16):
got to get the fuck out of here.
This is not feel right, this isnot good.
I don't want to over talk,because I've written and talked
a lot about this thing and so Iquit and I left, and it's been
10 years since then and I havelearned a bunch about what it
takes to survive and to build alife for yourself that doesn't
(07:37):
have a corporate backing behindit, that doesn't have a
corporate shell around it, thatdoesn't have somebody telling
you when you can get up and takea piss.
And I distilled thatinformation into 10 principles,
10 lessons, 10 things that Ihave learned, 10 things.
I wish honestly like peopletried to teach me this stuff.
When I was in this place, when Iwas first kind of going out on
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my own, people tried to let meknow what was what, but I
couldn't hear it right because Ijust hadn't had the experience
and I didn't.
I was, I was disoriented.
I was like so much was comingat me fast and also so much was
not happening fast that I wantedto happen fast that I just
couldn't digest it.
But now that it's been 10 years.
I've had some time to processsome of this stuff and I
(08:22):
distilled it down into these 10,10, it's, I guess I would say,
of things that matter, thingsthat you're going to want to
know when you quit your job.
I'm going to get into those two10 things, but right at this
particular second, I'mdisoriented because Morgan left
the room.
Okay, she's back.
Hi, tia, all right, so Tia'shere.
(08:43):
We're now going to welcome Tia,and then I'm going to get back
into the thing that I was saying, because I come, because I'm
just going to be lost if I tryto just plow right through it.
So that's hi to you.
Are you ready to talk or do youwant a?
second no, I'm good, okay, allright.
Tia's here.
Tia's our resident nothing butanarchy DJ.
(09:06):
I had a personal conflict thismorning.
I knew that Tia was going to behere, and so I applied to
myself extra shea butter,because Tia's skin is always
poppin, but Morgan hates for myskin to be shiny on camera.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Why do you have to apply it to your face?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Just put it because, because I knew Tia was going to
be here and I didn't want to beup staged by Tia's poppin skin
and I knew that that was goingto happen.
It's fine, you made me wipe itoff.
It's all good.
Tia, what's going on?
How are you doing this morning?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'm feeling good.
I'm a little tired but I feelgood because I look even out
last night.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But where did you go last night?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
My friend DJ last night at Deluxe Flux for, like
this guy's after party, dustinDustin Conrad, he sings.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I'm going to start listening to his music this
morning, but then I turned itoff.
Why?
I thought it wasn't good, but Ijust was like I can't hear this
right now.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So you're okay, you aren't feeling it.
Well, that matters, because youare.
You are a DJ with a high levelof musical taste.
Um, okay, where was the party?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Um, it was on 14th Street.
It was cute.
It was Deluxe Flux.
Have you been?
They have one in, like I forgotwhere it bolted.
Is it Baltimore?
I think in Baltimore, okay, andthen they opened one in New
York.
It's really cool.
It's like a neon kind of room,really cute, kind of small, but
kind of cute, kind of big Really.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh, that looks pretty .
Yeah, it's dope.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's a really dope spot Um did you get some good
photos.
No, I just went there tosupport her, so I just was
chilling, honestly, but no one.
Every time I go there, no oneever dances.
So it's like it's never likethey dance, but it's like never
gets super.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's never like dancing, dancing.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, it's never gets super turned.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Is that?
Why?
Is it like two?
Is it like a little posh inthere?
Is it a little?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
pretentious, I don't know, it's not.
Though Every time I go there Inever see anyone like I never
see it get like like the heightof the party or even to a party
and it's like super lit Like Inever go there and see that.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Word.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I don't know if it's the DJs or like the crowd, I
don't know.
It was super cute, it was cute.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, I don't think I told you this, but um, the
party that you had that I wentto by myself, oh, so I had so
much fun.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It was lit, he talked about it.
He was like I had so much fun.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I did because it was like the kind of like it's hard
to find For me.
It's hard to find a party likethat in New York.
I feel, like that's more of likea Southern, even like where I'm
from in Maryland, like theparties are kind of a little
more like that.
It was like really, really goodmusic.
It was a lot of like trap anddance, trap dance music being
played, like people had theirhands on the floor, like it was
(11:55):
like it was sweaty, like it wasSomeone told you how to speak,
how to devote or exercise toyourself, and and you attended a
course of thought.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
There's probably other ways to speak.
For you, it's it's calledspiritualOWN, really the deeper,
spiritualown side of you thatthrew some love and effort
towards ourselves.
For me, it was the bestexperience I've ever had the and
, and there's something.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I'd like to make.
Then she had kind of stayed in,pretty consistent with religion
as well, the opposite.
So then I don't think that Isafely watch it.
I got to skip the line andstand on the stage and it was
really fun, okay, okay, um, allright.
Therapy.
Yes, we're gonna move quickly,it's fine.
Okay, therapy we're not gonnamove that quickly, but we only
have.
There are four things that Ihave to get you to today Therapy
(12:40):
, quitting Google, ai,artificial intelligence.
And then there's a bonus itemhere which, for the armchairs in
the room, you guys quickly andfervently let me know in my DMs
(13:00):
that I had hurt Monica Padman'sfeelings and so I need to
address that.
I'm going to address it a bit,but I'm going to address it more
in longer form.
On the Love Project, on mysub-stack.
But here we go.
All right, therapy.
Here's the thing it occurs to me.
I talked about this a littlebit on direct deposit, but a lot
of y'all think direct depositis a paywall.
(13:20):
No matter it's behind a paywall, no matter how many times that
I say it's free, nobody's goingto understand that because it's
on Audible.
So it's fine, it's fine.
It'll be like my reasonabledoubt, one that I'll tell people
to go back for it later andyou'll understand that it's
really good.
But it's cool.
It was on Audible, so most ofy'all think you have to pay for
it Therapy.
I talked about it on directdeposit, but I need to reiterate
(13:43):
right now okay, I am atherapist person.
Let me just get that out of theway, because some of you guys
are going to be mad and some ofyou guys are going to accuse me
of being a black man about whatI'm saying.
I am therapist.
All right, like it's fine, letit happen.
I have to say this it's okay toanalyze things that you also
(14:07):
participate in that.
In fact, you should do that.
I think you should do that.
Here's my thing.
I think this is probably thebeginning of it.
Morgan, or everybody.
These therapists have us in aheadlock, they have us by the
balls and it's not good.
And here's why I was talking toa friend over the weekend, not
(14:27):
going to say who, but he wastelling me he and his partner
are having some problems.
They're having a little roughpatch right now.
I know about rough patches inrelationships.
I was there to listen for manyhours.
One of the things that came upand it was a small, it was just
a throw in, it was just for asecond, it wasn't like you know,
it wasn't the long and short ofthe entire conversation, but he
(14:48):
said he said her therapistthinks I'm dot, dot, dot and
that was a red flag for me.
It was a small fragment of anentire conversation that was
extremely meaningful to me.
Because of this, I think therapyis best utilized as a
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conversation with a assubjective I'm sorry as
objective, as objective a thirdparty there can be to bounce
perspective and to betterunderstand yourself.
And like any perspective, Ithink it is meant like the
(15:37):
opinion, the point of view, theprocess of the therapist, like
all of it is meant to bedigested through your own
personal process.
But it is not gospel, it is notugh, take that out but it is
not.
Like it's not parables, likeit's not I don't even know
what's the word for like thehighest order of something that
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you have to take and that youhave to take with you and move
on right.
Said differently, our therapistshould not be telling us how to
live our lives.
I think it's inappropriate forsomeone's therapist, I'm sorry.
(16:22):
I think it's inappropriate forsomeone to share with their
partner what their therapistthinks about them.
A partnership is between twopeople.
A therapist lives outside ofthat just like everybody else
does friends, family, strangers,pseudo friends, colleagues
therapist goes in that bracket.
(16:43):
Like the therapist is no moresacred than to me, the
therapist's point of view is nomore sacred than your friends,
your moms, your teachers, yourcolleagues, your coworker, your
boss, like it is a perspective.
Now, the thing that makes itvaluable those are all valuable
perspectives, but the thing thatmakes the therapist's
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perspective valuable, in myopinion one is that this is
supposed to be a trainedprofessional who has an
understanding of humanpsychology.
Right, so they should be comingwith some level of scientific
understanding of human behaviorand how the brain works and how
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the person works in relationshipto the brain.
Also, what I think is valuableis that when you spend time with
a therapist, that time issupposed to be undivided
attention spent working on you.
It is like and this is where, asI have conversations with
people about therapy and Ilearned what other people's
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therapy experiences look likethis is where I see that
therapists are taking advantageof that relationship.
I know several people who havecomplained to me recently that
they spend almost just as muchtime talking about their
therapist's life in therapy asthey spend talking about their
own life.
I know many people who complain, and I know I work in Hollywood
.
I know a lot of fuckingtherapist people.
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I know some people who complainthat their therapist does not
show up and is not present fortheir therapy.
Like they're there, they're inthe seat but, as so many
therapists have, they have movedtherapy into a completely
online virtual relationship andso that person is able to sit
there and zone out and do otherstuff, sometimes while they're
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supposed to be helping someonewho is in their most vulnerable
state with whatever it is thatthey're going through.
That's problematic, but what Ithink is most problematic here
is the money in the therapyindustry.
I brought data with me so I'mnot just like a howling fucking
(19:00):
dog up here.
Why are you laughing, morgan?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Because you just referenced yourself being not a
howling fucking dog.
I'm not okay.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
In 2019, the US mental health market spending
reached $225 billion.
Y'all, that was five years ago.
The US mental health marketspending reached $225 billion.
That was before COVID.
Okay, that was before everybodygot isolated and depressed and
sad.
According to Forbes, there arenow seven mental health unicorns
(19:31):
.
A mental health unicorn means acompany.
That I think it means a companythat's worth a billion dollars.
That means there are sevenmental oh.
That means there are sevenmental health companies worth
over a billion dollars in the USalone.
That's up from just two two whymy voice cracked.
That's up from just two a yearago.
A quick Google search of theseven mental health billion
(19:51):
dollar companies tells me thatall seven have white CEOs or
presidents at the top.
That's my own little special onethat I wanted to know about.
Here's the point of that.
Let me just make it super plain.
I am aware, while beingtherapized, that, much like a
consultant of any kind, a partof the interaction, a part of
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the transaction, is that thecustodian, the service person,
the therapist, the person infront of me, they want me to
keep coming back, like that's apart of the experience I am
paying this person.
This is a business transaction,as much as I want, as much as I
want, and as much as you guysyell and howl at me that this is
(20:36):
some sort of like sort ofsacred and special and unique
relationship between two people.
And boy, are you guys gonnajump in here and defend your own
therapist in a second, whenthis is on the internet.
But it's a businessrelationship and that person
wants you to keep coming back.
You are paying that person'sbills, you're sending that
(20:56):
person to college.
Most of the people who sit atopthis giant economic structure
that's been built on the therapyindustry all this fucking I've
done ads for better help All ofthat most of those people are
white people.
Most of the people all the wayat the top, like I just said,
these seven unicorn companiesare white dudes sitting atop an
industry that is servicing thepain, servicing the trauma of
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all of us people down here.
And they got us by the balls.
They got us to the point wheresomeone has to know not just
what their partner thinks aboutthem, but what their partner's
fucking therapist thinks aboutthem.
That feels like that just is.
That's crowding me, guys.
I don't like that.
(21:41):
That's too.
That's an invasion.
I don't feel good about that.
Especially don't feel goodabout that, knowing the money
churn that's happening on top ofit, I don't like that.
Okay, morgan, put this next tothis on the docket, so I'm just
gonna go here next, but I thinkit's fine Because sometimes you
text me things with no context.
(22:03):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
And so I try to piece it together in my head.
You do?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You do a great job.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This time it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You do a good job.
No, it's okay, you do a greatjob.
I don't have a good segue fromthat thing, but that's.
There's a real in there aboutmy, my fear and discomfort with
how we're being invaded by thetherapy industry and I'm
therapist Like, let me just makesure I get the right trappings
around this, morgan, what are wegonna be missing later that we
(22:30):
need to make sure I have I puthere so that it's we can
sequence this later.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well is the point?
The point is the is that youthink the the relationship is
between two people and that atherapist coming in on that is
an invasion.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The point is that I think we are getting too.
I think like we went from beingtoo resistant huh Like wrapped
up in therapy.
Yes, I think I think we'regetting.
I think we started off as likeand I don't mean like totally
society, I mean kind ofparticularly black people.
I think that we started offquite resistant to this idea of
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therapy.
I think that those of us whowant to consider ourselves uh
progressive and helpingourselves are now participating.
We think we think that that isa good way to invest money in
ourselves and in our happinessand in our families.
And I'm worried that we're doingit without scrutinizing the
(23:28):
process.
Like I'm worried that we'redoing it without being uh
analytical enough about what,what all that means.
Like it's bringing someoneelse's it.
Like it's bringing something.
Like this guy has never evenmet that therapist.
Like that person doesn't eventhat therapist's point of view
(23:49):
on him is likely just areflection back of his partner's
point of view.
But it feels like a cop out tosay like well, my therapist
thinks this about you.
Like what do you think about me?
That's that's kind of the pointhere.
It feels this feels like aninvasion, like it just it feels
I just feel it.
I just know it's not.
I just this is not good.
(24:11):
Um, this is not good, yes, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Oh wait, sorry, I have one thing too.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't know if it's like, if it makes sense, but I
hate when I'm I'm noticing likewhen I'm having conversations
with someone like our friendthat's going to therapy, they'll
start using and I go to therapy, but like, they'll start using
like, like, instead of becominga friend, like I'll be having a
conversation, they'll startbecoming like my therapist and
using like therapy terms andlike, in a sense of I don't even
(24:38):
know how to like explain itwhen it doesn't feel like I'm
talking to my friend.
I feel like okay, like, am Italking to your therapist or am
I talking to you?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yes, that makes sense .
Yeah, we're like people aretrying to adopt this clinical
lexicon and vibe in conversationthat where they're not trained,
they're just like takingsomething that someone else,
over a zoom screen, said to themand bringing it, bringing it
into your friendship, likebringing it to brunch.
That is a terrible hang, that'sno fun.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
On another level, though, yes, I go to therapy.
I've always wanted to go totherapy.
I tried it once and I just likeI didn't, my therapist and I
had to part ways, but I've, likeit's something that I do want
to do, but as someone who, like,doesn't have the health
insurance and like whatever, Iappreciate sometimes when I get
like the oh, like.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm getting like a free therapy session.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, wait, tell me more about like what your
therapist would say.
But that's what it's likesolicited Like, not like if it's
just like a random conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
So it's like anything else, like I get it.
We're learning.
We're kind of all learningtogether.
We're sharing.
We're sharing what we learn inthose rooms with each other.
We're trying our best, like I'mnot, I'm not.
This is not to persecute theperson going and trying to do
something that will help theirlife.
I, but I cannot, I can't unseethe money and who is like
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holding the controls up thereand who it is so expensive to
have this.
Many better help ads across,spread across every fucking
podcast on earth.
Like also, I mean, it's notjust better help, what's another
one?
I don't want to just poke atbetter help, yeah, whatever.
I heard one this morning onBalmany Jones show.
(26:28):
It's like this is beingdistributed to us.
I think there is some good thatwill come with it, and I also
think it is going to drain ourfinances in a way that, like
we're already poor, like we'realready broke, like now we're
going to give all our money totherapists.
Okay, let's go to it.
(26:48):
Oh wait, all right, I'm goingto do Morgan's docket item.
I think it's in there.
I think it's in there.
I'm going to go to Morgan'sdocket item real quick.
I'm also just going to say onemore time so you can start.
I burp in here a lot.
I'm sorry, tia.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Any sniffles.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And I sniffle.
I don't know what it is.
It's like it's liquids I'mconsuming while I'm up here.
Whatever I want to put a finelike ending on that thing, which
is I am one of you.
I am also therapist.
Do not start calling Don't.
I can see the ways you guyslike to dismiss opinions that
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come from people that look acertain way.
I see it and I'm getting aroundit.
You can't accuse me of beinglike one of these niggas with
dreads who thinks therapy isdumb.
I go to therapy like so don'ttry it, don't even fucking try
it.
All right, I'm going to hitthis really quick.
(27:52):
And then we got to move onbecause we got two more big
docket items to get to in 30minutes.
I watched the Shannon Sharpinterview with Johnny Menzel.
Shannon Sharp is on an absoluteroll.
He's so good at this.
His show is also like I washaving a conversation with a
friend.
He was asking is Shannon Sharppaying for these guests and my?
(28:13):
Just from seeing the industrymove, my best deduction is that
people are now probably offeringShannon money to get on his
platform and I would guess thathis team is mostly at this point
turning money down from peoplewho want to come on the platform
because it has such a largedigital imprint, has such a
large cultural reach.
Now Shannon Sharp did somethingcool.
(28:34):
I'm watching him move with hisshow.
He's only had two white guestson the show.
The show part of what I waswatching, the Tyler Perry
documentary real last night andwhich is mostly an infomercial
for Tyler Perry.
But I saw something that waspoignant was said, which is one
of his producers or studiomanagers or whatever was saying
(28:56):
he used to take his mom toBroadway shows and his mom one
day said like I like when youtake me to these expensive
Broadway shows, but I reallylove going to the Tyler Perry
shows because the Tyler, whenI'm at the Tyler Perry shows, I
feel safe.
I feel safe.
I'm with my people.
We laugh at the same jokes.
(29:17):
We say hmm, at the same moments.
I don't feel judged.
I don't feel like somebody'sgonna I'm paraphrasing she
didn't say all this, but like.
Or I'm extrapolating, but like.
I don't feel like somebody'sgoing to step on my feet and not
say excuse me.
My boy sent me a funny tweetthat said white people will
crawl between your legs beforethey say excuse me.
Like.
(29:39):
That shit doesn't happen at aTyler Perry show.
It's all.
It's us in the room and wetreat each other like people
Good, bad and otherwise.
What's the connection?
What the fuck was I talkingabout?
Johnny Manziel?
So Shannon Sharp has done agood job of cultivating a safe
environment for his guest andfor us as the viewers I have
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talked about before.
When you have somebody on yourshow, you're bringing them to
somebody's life.
You cannot, just because youthink somebody is going to be
spicy or is going to, you know,create a moment with you.
You can't just like bringassholes into people's lives all
the time.
I don't believe in that.
That's simple.
Shannon Sharp has done a goodjob of building the guest list
(30:21):
with this show because he hashad a bunch of black guests.
And then, yeah, johnny Manziel.
And Johnny Manziel is, I think,and I am very, very, very, very
, very, very, very I have a veryhigh bar for who I would apply
this to I think Johnny Manzielis welcome at the cookout,
(30:46):
because and I didn't put thesepieces together when the first
time around on the JohnnyManziel story but I've realized
now that Johnny Manziel's familyhad this kid who they knew to
be an extremely valuable prizejewel of the family, who had the
prospects of being like ahundred million dollar
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quarterback one day.
They knew that because theywere already trying to drain
money from Texas A&M while hewas there, because they knew how
valuable their kid was, as theyshould.
And on Johnny Manziel'smatriculation, during his
matriculation, they entrustedtheir family's prize jewel with
two black men.
Two black people.
(31:28):
What's the stuff saying that?
So much Two black people KevinSumlin, the coach at the time at
Texas A&M, and George Whitfield, who at the time was the
biggest black quarterbacktrainer in the world.
We know that today the biggestquarterback trainer in the world
is the friend of the show,quincy Avery, but that is rare.
(31:49):
Everybody around football willtell you.
When these, especially whenthese white quarterbacks are
coming up through the pipeline,it is so unusual for their
families to trust anybody blackas a coach around their kid.
That's why and that is one of ahundred reasons why the black
coaching pipeline is the waythat it is right now is because
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white parents will not handtheir kid over to someone that
doesn't look like them.
And the Manziel's did that, andI noticed with Johnny sitting
with Shannon Sharp.
This person seems comfortableand like he has been around
black folks before, includingblack people in a place of
authority where they areresiding over him, like where
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they have, where they're theboss and he is the pupil, and he
seemed comfortable in thatsetting and he didn't.
I didn't find him to becondescending to Shannon, I
didn't find him to do any ofthat weirdo shit, like he just
sat there and did the interviewand he's an extremely good
storyteller.
He has so much to say.
He's very independent and he isvery pro NCAA independence.
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He is for the players gettingwhat they deserve from the NCAA
and that's all shit that Iappreciate.
So let's get an interview.
Yesterday I called it's sofunny.
Like I feel like remember whenyou were like you thought we
should do a live show but youwaited a long time to tell me
cause you were like, as soon asI tell him this, he's going to
be so thirsty.
Yes, I feel like the oppositeside of that coin was yesterday
(33:19):
where I was like, oh man, I gotto tell Morgan I want to try
this thing.
I've been sitting on this for awhile.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I've been wanting to tell you but and he goes, okay,
so here it is, and he likeexplained his new thought for
what we should do with the show.
But yeah, no, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I just, yeah, I feel actually, let me speak to that
for a second and then we'll getinto this.
I promise I got to handle onthe time I got it.
Well, I just did it.
There's okay.
There is, I think, for creativepeople and just like for
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anybody who is trying new stuffall the time.
There's this balance where, okay, you get so excited about an
idea, you sit with it.
I'll say, speak for myself.
I usually like try to sit withit for a second until I know I
(34:18):
feel so inspired by it that if Ishare it with someone and they
think it's dumb, I won't care.
If I share it with someone andthey can kill my joy for it,
that means I didn't really loveit, it wasn't really real.
Then, once I get to that pointand I'm like, okay, this is now
something I want to do, I dorealize that, especially with
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someone like you, it can soundexciting, but I also know it
sounds like work, and so I'mlike and then there's other
friends where I know, oh my God,these are the worst.
I have other friends who arelike just so frankly, like just
so cynical about how they seelife that it's hard for them to
(35:05):
even understand the excitementof a new idea, because they're
looking for the way thateverything will not work all the
time.
They're looking for the thingthat's gonna, that's going to
tank it.
They're looking for the reasonwhy.
Oh, like, one reason why I'mnot telling anybody the title
for my book until it's on acover is because I don't want to
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hear the sound in someoneelse's voice.
That's like oh, I guess that'sokay.
Or like you know, what I mean,or like because they won't say
the words but you can hear it intheir voice.
And I'm just like at this point, I'm just like.
I just know sometimes somethingis a good idea.
Sometimes I have bad ideas too,like sometimes I do, but like
(35:53):
you gotta like shoot your shotAnyway.
So, morgan, I appreciate youbecause you manage the feeling
well, you manage it well.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You're like, yeah, Well, yeah, the other thing was
like he tells me and I'm likeokay, and he goes.
I can hear him like holding hisbreath.
I'm like sorry, like you've hadmonths or however long, to
marinate on this, you're justnow telling me, like I'm just,
I'm thinking about it.
He's like okay, okay, and then,because you're a writer,
storyteller, he paint, we keeptalking.
(36:22):
And then he actually likepainted a picture and I'm like,
oh, like that would be dope.
And he's like, okay, you see it.
I was like, yeah, you shouldhave started there.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Okay, I'm gonna.
That was good, that was like agood, that was a good response
for me to remember that startwith like the big, pretty
version of it and then we canwalk back into the details of it
.
And so basically, what it is iswe're going to start doing the
show.
We're gonna try, we're gonnaexperiment with doing the show
(36:53):
outside, sometimes, like maybeas an example this I'll take the
feedback from Morgan I want toevoke the imagery of like the
old school storyteller who'slike standing on top of
something and just like speakingabout the world and the
universe and life, and which isbasically what the show is at
(37:14):
this point.
But I want to do it where thebackdrop of like as an extinct
about it, like this, literally,maybe I'm standing on an actual
soap box, maybe we go to soapbox, stick it in the middle of
the field in Prospect Park, inthe big part of the you know,
with all the grass and whatever.
Get a good mic that I can usethat will pick up my voice and
(37:34):
cancel out the you knowbackground and shoot an episode
of the show like standing in themiddle of Prospect Park.
If a few people come and listen, that's great.
If they don't, then like it'sjust gonna look beautiful when
we make a reel out of it, youknow.
Another example could be there's, like I take Penny to this
giant it's not actually grass,it's like some kind of turf, but
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it's huge.
It's like this big ass, thinkof like the size of like two or
three football fields.
It's walking distance from myhouse in Queens.
The train goes by next to it,but not that frequently and it
just looks like.
It looks like an oasis in themiddle of like a very industrial
part of New York City and thesky will sometimes look very
beautiful with the backdrops andstuff.
(38:18):
Like we could do an episodethere.
If you've seen the photos thatwe did when we did like Alicia
Day at my old high school on thehigh school football field,
like I'm trying to like get thatin here.
I'm trying to like make theshow look bigger, basically.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So the only thing I vetoed was he was like I think
we could do it in the subway andI was like nope.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yes, she shut it down so fast.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
All right, moving on.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, 10 things I learned since I quit my job at.
Google.
All right, now the exercise ofmaking these 10 things.
This is what I called it 10things to know before you quit
your job.
So I did all this work.
You guys are gonna be like ittook that much work to make this
.
Yes, it did.
I spent several days thinkingthis through.
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I went to brunch with myselfand journaled these out in long
form.
I wrote them out in like 30 to50 word sentences and then I
distilled them all down to fiveto 10, 20 words because they
have to fit on one slide each.
But I'm trying to be.
(39:28):
I've been listening to I forgothis name Michael Pollan.
No, the other guy, adam,something or other, one of these
old white guys talking about,like, generosity to your
audience.
Even if you think something isobvious to you, someone else
doesn't know it and they need toknow it.
And this is kind of one ofthose things.
(39:48):
And sitting with these things,sitting with these principles,
things that I wished I had knownwhen I quit my job, it helped
crystallize stuff that I need toremember, even like right now
today.
All right, I quit my job atGoogle 10 years ago to the day
because I was never going tohave my dream at Google.
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I was never.
There was no path for me fromwhere I sat as a human resources
associate to where I am rightthis second and where I think
I'll be 10 years from now.
There was no path from thatthing to this thing besides
jumping ship and like makingthat path.
And here are 10 things I wish Ihad known before I jumped ship.
(40:32):
These are 10 things to knowbefore you quit your job.
One, a very important one.
It can feel like you are aboutto walk into the abyss by
yourself.
You are not alone.
There are over 80 millionfreelancers in the United States
and that number grows by 2million each year.
Two, very important.
(40:53):
I was thinking about this one alot recently Learn how to sell
right now.
If you can't sell, you will notsurvive out here.
90% of my job is sales.
My conversation with Morganyesterday about that idea that's
a sales conversation.
(41:13):
I have to get Morgan excitedabout moving on something.
I throw a lot of ideas atMorgan and only the ones where I
can really sell it are the oneswhere that actually happened,
you know but it's not just that.
Like Morgan, in the last twoweeks we've probably had six
different conversations aboutsales.
Like Chanel is a salesconversation.
(41:34):
We got a message last nightfrom the AI guy that I have to
get to.
That's a sales conversation.
Selling tickets for live shows,selling tickets for workshop,
selling sponsorships I'm rightnow cold outreaching sponsors
every single day, dozens to findsome money for my socials and
(41:56):
for this show.
Like this shit is all sales.
Selling a TV series, sales amovie script, sales a book to a
publisher, sales Like it's cuteto think about this whole thing
as like creative fulfillment andart and yada, yada.
It's like why am I yelling?
Cause I really feel this.
If you guys want it to be cute,fucking write in your.
(42:20):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but if you want it to be cute,
go fucking write in yourjournal and share it with a
friend.
If you want to do it for aliving, you have to sell Like
that's what's going on, allright, your friends will gossip
and judge you.
This is number three.
Your friends will gossip andjudge you.
It'll hurt your feelings, butthey're projecting deep down.
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They admire your bravery.
This one's spicy, morgan.
You didn't tell me to cancelthis one.
You told me to cross off theother one.
You liked this one.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
No, you asked me which one I liked the least, and
the other one was just.
These were all fairly inspiring, and then the other one was
just more factual.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Okay, great, this one is true.
Man, your friends will gossipand judge you.
I had some friends that werereally mean to me.
My friends were like, when Iquit my job and probably even
for those first five years ofthis whole process, being like I
don't ever want to think that Iwas dusty, but like being a
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little less moisturized, likejust being like a little.
Just like not being able toafford to go to stuff and like
not, you know, like I couldn'tdo the sexy vacations and like
all you fucking Martha's Vineers, head ass niggas, like I
couldn't go to that.
You know, I went one summer andI slept on the couch and like,
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and some of it I might haveprojected onto my friends, but
like I can feel pretty good,like I can feel pretty well.
I felt judgment and bullying andpeople trying to leverage the
moment where I was needy and nothaving and trying to undermine
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my confidence in that moment.
And that's what I mean.
I'm not making it up.
This is what happens when youleave safety and people notice
you do not feel safe.
There are some people who aregoing to rush to make you feel
safe and better and let you knowthat they have your back and
there are a few people who aregonna rush to be just that close
to where you stand to make youthink that's what they're there
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for.
But what they're really therefor is to get an up close and
personal look at just howvulnerable you are so they can
see what they can take.
That was good.
Put that in the real, pleasePut that in the real.
Okay, I'm sorry I didn't mean todo the point finger.
And deep down, they admire yourbravery.
(44:47):
I think that goes withoutsaying.
I think that's obvious.
I bet your friends I'm pointing, but it's a different point I
bet your friends I have both ofy'all friends really admire how
you guys are moving right now,like how you know what I'm
saying.
Can you feel that from yourfriends?
Yeah, yeah, I bet they do.
I do too.
I admire that about y'all.
All right Four.
(45:09):
Your family will worry, butthey don't have to live in your
life when your plan works.
They'll say they alwaysbelieved in you.
That's just true.
Like I mean, my mom is gonna beworried.
My mom continues to be worriedabout me to this moment, but she
didn't seem that worried at thelive show which was very nice.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, she was having the time of her life, yeah she
was all about it so.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
But your family is gonna be worried and like the
thing about it is, if you'retaking a risk, if you're betting
on yourself, there's somereason to worry, but you're
gonna manage it.
Like you're gonna make gooddecisions as they come at you.
If you have to go back and grabonto some safety and go get a
job or whatever, like you'llfigure it out.
Your family's gonna be worried,because that's what families do
.
They're also going to be soproud of you when you pull off
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your thing that was so earnestand I mean it.
Five.
Oh, my God, we're running outof time.
Fear and urgency will becomeregular feelings.
They'll help you learn tomanage your time and trust your
gut.
Those are instincts.
So I'm gonna say, five out ofseven days of the week I wake up
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with.
It's less right now, in thismoment, but I'm gonna give you
all what it was like for 2019.
Like no, let's say 2017 to 2021.
I wake up with just like thisfeeling of scarcity, fear,
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urgency.
If I don't do this, this, thisand this, I'm not gonna be able
to pay my bills.
If I don't do this, this, thisand this, my career's gonna
stagnate.
I'm not gonna get anotheropportunity.
I'm not gonna get in front ofthe person that I need to sign
off on this thing.
Where is this contract?
Where is the money that I'mowed for this thing?
I would just I wake up.
I mean, it's not that I'm sodifferent today, like I send a
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lot of texts to Morgan that arelike, hey, where's our money?
But these feelings, the fearyou will feel like you are
already vulnerable at yourcompany.
Your company can wave a swiftaxe and get you up out of there
and you're gonna be right outhere in this space that we're
talking about, unwillingly.
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If you step into this spacewillingly, you will feel those
feelings of fear and urgencyquite frequently, to the point
that they will just sort ofbecome a natural part of your
flow.
And when you feel like yourback is up against the wall,
like your mind makes quick,creative decisions, like you can
figure things out fast and youcan prioritize and you can stop
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dealing with stuff that doesn'teven matter, and in fact, all
those little feelings, thingsabout like oh, my friends are
being mean to me, like when theurgency was at its highest, I
didn't have time for any of thatshit and it was nice to like
release that stuff when the fearwas at its peak.
Six.
You're just you now.
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That's plenty.
Nobody cares where you used towork.
Stop bringing up your old jobat parties.
I think that one is prettyself-explanatory.
I just know I was the guy whowas for at least two or three
years.
I mean I'm doing it right now,but for at least two or three
years I just continued to tellpeople that I used to work at
Google because I thought thatwas such a feather in my cap.
It probably it didn't dawn onme until I, like had other
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things that I was proud of aboutmyself that I had spent such a
long time trying to leverage abrand Google.
That didn't mean anything inHollywood, like that didn't mean
anything in entertainment.
I was just, I was clinging toan identity because I wasn't
ready to just be like just Chad,but that's the person,
(48:51):
whoever's actually in there,void of your company's brand or
whatever circle you hang outwith or whoever you used to work
for or whatever production youused to work on, like man Dude,
like I mean here's an easyexercise for it Like I'm always
(49:13):
deleting stuff off my Instagrambio when I realize nobody cares.
Nobody cares that I wrote forrap shit.
Nobody cares.
Like delete.
Okay enough, I'm not gonna bespicy, but that's it.
Stop bringing it up.
Six, seven, seven Things willget quiet.
That's when you'll hear yourinner voice.
That voice will tell you whereto go.
It was striking to me when Ileft my job no more company
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email, no more like text circleswith the colleagues, no more
like let's meet up in thecafeteria.
Like it was shocking to me howquiet the world is during
workday hours.
Like it was shocking to me togo from the contrast of this
constant buzz of noise, ofemails.
You gotta read company allhands off sites, coworkers,
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birthdays, let's go have pizzain the conference room, like all
that shit.
All of a sudden it's quiet andall I could hear was my own
voice.
Like all I could hear was myown thoughts.
Every day, every moment, all Icould hear was go sit your ass
in that coffee shop and finishthat TV pilot so you can figure
(50:21):
out what happens next.
And I'm used to that quiet now.
Like that quiet is reallyimportant to me now.
Like I need time to hear my ownvoice and corporate
environments rob us of that onpurpose.
Oh, my God, I messed up thecount.
I'm just gonna do one.
I'm just gonna say numbers.
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Oh no, I didn't.
No, I didn't.
I got it right.
Eight, let yourself have fun.
You're choosing this path toenjoy your life.
Don't punish yourself for thatdecision.
I have spent too much time overthe last 10 years thinking about
the urgency I feel, the thingsI have to sacrifice, the times
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when I feel afraid, likenothing's happening, nothing's
moving.
Where am I going?
I have spent way too much timedwelling on those feelings
instead of letting the feelingsof freedom, joy, I get to choose
what I wanna do next.
I get to talk to who I want toin my day.
I get to pick projects Like.
I have spent way more timedwelling than just like bathing
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in those feelings of excitement,joy, curiosity, the
exhilaration of all of this.
Like, this is a roller coaster.
It's fun.
You're allowed to feel fun.
Like.
You're allowed to like, ifyou're gonna do this and if
you're gonna, if you're gonnabet on yourself, you're gonna
take a risk.
If you're gonna try this thingoutside of the corporate world.
Like, let it be an adventure.
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Like, let it in.
It's cool, it's not.
You know what I mean.
It's not, it's not here to hurtyou.
It's fun.
I punished myself.
I shouldn't have done that.
There's a waste.
This is just a picture of mybadge.
This is my badge.
You've seen it.
I got two more almost done.
Boom boom, all right, boom,boom, okay.
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Nine reduce costs.
Keeping a low overhead freezeyou up to invest time and money
in your dream.
Your friends may go on fancyvacations and it's gonna suck to
miss out, but your time is yourown now.
That's better than vacation.
And 10, 10's very important.
10 is very important.
I did this to myself.
You don't have to do this.
I told myself a story that thispath has to be lonely.
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That's not true.
I told myself a story thatindependence means being alone.
That's not true.
Number 10 is ask for help.
I told you all.
There's 80 million people outhere freelancing.
There are people like me whowant to help you do this thing.
The more of us that are outhere.
It's almost like a damn union,like we have each other.
(53:05):
We can talk, we can sharesecrets.
I can tell you how much.
I just told somebody yesterdayhow much I charge for a TV pilot
.
I can tell you how much do Icharge for a corporate speaking
gig.
How do I invoice?
How do I get insurance, allthat stuff?
Ask for help.
I will help you.
Hit me, dm me, email,morganatarcherchatcom.
That's the real.
(53:26):
Okay, the real is done.
How do I end?
Speaker 2 (53:30):
it.
You want to end it.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
No, I want to end it by saying these are 10 things
you will want to know before youquit your job.
If you need help, hit me up,nice, all right.
In 30 seconds I'm going to saywhat happened with AI.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
All right, I accept that AI is happening, whether I
like it or not.
I myself am not big enough ormeaningful enough artistically
to be the thing that pushes backa giant wave.
Nobody can do that.
It's happening.
I made a video did you see myvideo of the dreadlocks man?
(54:07):
It was so weird, it was reallyweird.
I put into an AI video generatorbecause I'm like, I got to mess
with this.
I got to know what's going on.
If Tyler Perry is going tocancel his studio build to be an
AI, to like, use AI for hisproductions, I need to know
what's going on.
So I've been messing with thetools.
I made a 90 second AI videogenerated thing, which is a
(54:31):
video I just put into theprompter of black man transform.
A black man with dreadlockstransforms into a jellyfish.
That's what I put and it spitback at me.
This weirdo thing.
It's kind of pretty but it'salso kind of dystopian and it
has weird cutaways.
It has a weird cutaway to likea toy car.
I don't even understand what'sgoing on there.
Then the guy turns into a whiteguy and he's like underneath a
(54:54):
jellyfish.
It's like an umbrella for him.
It's weird.
I don't know, but there'ssomething there and I did this.
I wrote this long ass posttalking about my feelings about
AI and why I need to, why I gotto get my hands in it, cause I
got to.
I'm not going to just be adinosaur, like I'm not just
going extinct because AI is hereand then I posted it.
(55:16):
I spent like 45 minutes on thisman.
These captions take time.
This is writing.
All this shit is writing unlessyou use AI for it.
But I posted it.
I've been spending.
I've been sending out likedozens of sponsor outreach and
starting to get responses.
Most of the responses are likeemail this thing, send this
(55:38):
thing to this thing, blah, blah,blah.
Like they none of them make iteasy, of course, but as soon as
I press send, as soon as I presssend, I go to my texts.
Morgan has texted me threeminutes prior and the text says
and I'm not going to say exactlywhat it says, but it basically
says it's an AI company that isreaching out to talk about doing
(55:59):
a sponsor collaboration with me, basically, and that I'll come
back to this to start nextepisode.
Maybe, probably not, but thatcould be looked at as
serendipity.
That could also be looked at asdamn.
The robots are really listeninghard to what's going on with us
.
Like the robots might haveknown that from me literally
(56:22):
just making the caption in myphone, and it's going to get
harder and harder for us to tellthe difference between those
two things Serendipity or thealgorithm making something look
like a coincidence, and that'sprobably why people are scared
of AI.
Okay, last thing, we're out ofhere.
All my stories some of y'allknow you guys have asked me 100
(56:48):
million times if me and Monicahave a thing.
Monica Padman from the ArmchairExpert podcast.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
First off, I just want to make sure you slow down
when you're in the frame.
Okay, I'm going to slow down.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Morgan has slowed me down.
Morgan has slowed me down.
I mostly have ignored you all'squestions about that out of
respect for Monica.
I responded to one of thosequestions because they come
(57:20):
quite frequently and I said inso many words Monica's dope,
monica's super smart, monica'san amazing professional, like
Monica is a boss, monica'sMonica, monica.
I said many nice things aboutMonica, complimenting her as a
professional, because I have aprofessional relationship with
(57:40):
her and I know that this.
I know all this shit can be alittle, it can look fuzzier or
stickier than it is sometimesbecause it's like I don't know
even what to call it.
It's like show businessadjacent, it's like digital show
business, but we have aprofessional relationship and I
wanted to get that across and indoing so I meant to be clear
(58:09):
that, like me and Monica don'thave like a thing going on or
anything like that and I becauseI thought it was again, I
thought it was respectful andworthwhile to make that clear.
And now I realize, becauseMonica mentioned it on Armchair
Expert on their Friday episode,she mentioned at the end in the
(58:32):
recap that that hurt herfeelings and I feel bad for that
, like I don't want to hurtanybody's feelings.
Well, that's not true.
I don't want to hurt herfeelings.
And I also realized that like Icould have avoided that by just
(58:53):
like ignoring those questionsaltogether, and I was trying to
be communicative to the audience, honest and respect her
professional space all at once,and I guess I'll have to think
about how I might do thatdifferently next time.
So, yeah, I've reached out toMonica.
I'll probably, I probably amgonna examine a bit more, just
(59:14):
like this, all the dynamics atplay here.
Man, when you're like in frontof a camera, in front of a
microphone, this is a business,but it's also.
I can't act like this isn'tfucking playtime, like it's all
those things at once.
You know it's I'm doing a loveproject and so I mean like now I
(59:36):
am gonna do the thing which islike if you want my full
thoughts and point of view onthis, you will go to my love
project on Substack and that'swhere you will find them.
But yeah, I don't know that'swhat happened, and sometimes you
get it right and sometimes youget it wrong.
But I feel I felt my firstfeeling when I heard it was aw
(59:59):
man, like literally, and I don'tfeel this feeling that often.
I was just like I felt bad.
I felt like I owed somebody anapology.
Remember when I apologized toyou?
Yes, yeah, okay, this has beennothing but an interview.
Yeah, this is another way.
Anarchy, goodbye, thank you.
Love project on my Substack Toplink in my bio.
If you want my full thoughts,go back.
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