In this episode, Chad recaps his thoughts on the Oscar nominated "Poor Things" and his feelings on it being a powerful feminist movie that was directed by a man, then he talks about how the craze over the edited picture of Kate Middleton and her family is what the future holds for us in the age of AI, and lastly discusses his realizations on how liking yourself is an important feeling to have before you start self promoting.
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Alright, welcome to nothing.
Band or key.
All right, let's get right intoit.
So let's start here.
Morgan Sean is your mic on.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hear me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yes, okay, morgan Trons voice is raspy.
She was in Austin for the lasthow many days.
I was there for two days shewas in Austin for South by
Southwest.
Okay, let's start with Morgan.
How was South by Southwest?
Do not say anything boring.
Tell me how many drinks youconsumed, how late were you up
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each night and are you tired?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm very tired.
It was really fun.
It was my first South by.
I worked the entire day onSunday and then consumed drinks,
so there's not really much tosay there.
I was just at this like techthing and then on Saturday I
flew in.
I was too early to check intomy hotel so I looked at what was
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happening and I saw that thehacks screening for season three
premiere was like happening inperfect timing.
I had enough time to like getthere.
I was like, oh sick Cause.
Like have you watched hacks?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I have.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I love that show.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Word.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And I, so I got there .
The whole cast was there.
They did like a little panelafterwards and I don't know it
was fun.
It's weird to watch a comedy ina crowd yeah, because people
laugh for a long time.
Then you miss the dialogue.
I hated that.
I actually was really irritatedat one point and I wanted to
like not watch it in this largegroup of people because you were
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missing the dialogue.
But then after that I got food.
Yeah, it was, it was a, it wasa work trip, but like Saturday
or Sunday was really fun.
After I consumed drinks.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, um, what kind of drinks did you consume?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Um, I had a Yeager bomb.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh my God.
Okay, here we go.
This is, this is what we werelooking for.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Morgan, I've had a really long time.
Um, and it's so disgusting.
Who bought a Yeager?
Did you order your own Yeagerbomb?
No because the videographers Iwork with.
Like one of them loves Yeager,for whatever reason.
Okay, so it was his idea, butum, but yeah, and then, oh, okay
, sorry, I also went to thisthing called Black Future House,
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which they had a bunch ofpanels, okay, it was pretty like
was it fun.
It was really fun, but it waslike it was a lot of like
standing.
I was standing for I felt like48 hours.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, scale of one to 10.
How much fun was it.
10 is the time of your life.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I would say like a seven.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, six or seven.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Um, I think like if I had an extra day there where I
wasn't working, it could havebeen like more fun, but it was
pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
All right, okay, thank you, morgan.
That was our uh South bySouthwest correspondent
Morgatron.
So, um, all right, let's talkabout.
There's some things to talkabout here, but actually one
just came up.
So, before we even get into thedocket here, we've changed the
structure of the show a littlebit to make the show, uh, to
give the show a little bit moreair space for us to um, explore
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topics and and like not have torush through to the next bullet
item.
So just give me some space here.
So I finished watching poorthings last night and several
people have recommended poorthings to me as a movie that
they thought I mean first, justas a movie that they loved on
their own, and then also as amovie that they thought I
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specifically would like.
Um, people who are close to meare aware of my persnickety, uh
consume media consumption habits.
Like if something looks bad tome or like I'm not interested in
it, from a trailer, from themarketing, from whatever, like I
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will not even go near it.
Uh, like American fiction.
But Morgan has given me strictlaws around what I how much time
I can spend talking aboutAmerican fiction today, so I
will not say anything else aboutthat.
The point is just this whenpeople tell me you must watch
this, I take that seriouslybecause, um, because they know
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if, if they tell me to watchsomething and I don't like it, I
will be annoyed by that and Iwill like someone, um, who I'm
quite close to recently said tome that she was surprised I
don't know if the word issurprised and I don't want to
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paraphrase, I don't want to fuckit up but basically she was
saying for somebody who is who Ithink of as having good taste
in movies um, you don't watch alot of movies.
Good taste in television youdon't watch a lot of television,
and I think that.
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I think that there is a part ofacquiring taste that is trying
a lot of things and figuring outwhat you like and what's good.
But I also think there's a partof acquiring taste that is not
overly exposing yourself to toomuch stuff that's not that good,
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that is to say, and I thinkthat goes for music, I think it
goes for design, I think it goesfor movies, I think it goes for
people, I think it goes forpretty much everything, and
we're going to get into this alittle more throughout this
episode, like, if you willaccept mediocrity as something
to give two hours of your timeto.
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That is going to affect yourpalette for what you will
consume.
Um, more on that.
But first, poor things.
Here's what I think the moviewas about.
Sorry, there's going to be hellaspoilers in this.
Yeah, morgan, it's a show.
Okay, oh, my God, it's a show.
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The movie came out like threemonths ago.
Like Morgan, I'm sorry.
Okay, you want to cover yourears, morgan?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No, it's fine, so I'm going to spoil part of it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean, here's the thing about it, and this is this
movie is special in this way,no matter what I tell you about
this move.
And, by the way, for the peoplewho recommended that I watch
this movie, I thought it was.
I'm glad I watched it.
That's the best way for me todescribe it.
I'm glad I watched it.
It showed me something new,something fresh, something
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interesting.
Set design incredible.
Emma Stone's performance reallyinteresting, really good,
although I will say I heard thison someone else's show, so I
don't want to pretend like Icame up with this.
Take, um, when we say somebodywas brave in their performance,
did I already say this lastepisode, which is what people
are calling Emma Stone'sperformance in that movie, that
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it was brave?
That is coding, for this persongot butt, ass naked 100 times
in the movie.
That's all.
That's all it means, like.
That's what it means.
She got naked, she had a lot ofsex, it was convincing, you
believed it.
It was also like, um, it wasunpolished sex, which is to say
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it wasn't like a uh, it wasn'tlike some overly done trying to
be artistic version of sex.
It was like raw, gruntingfucking, like that's what it was
.
So, and I do think it was abrave performance.
But I just want that.
I just want to point out thatwhen we say someone was brave in
their performance, that's whatwe mean Male or female or
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otherwise.
Like that they showed theirgenitals.
Other things about the moviepremise I'm giving like, if you
all don't want to hear this, I'msorry.
Like the movies out, it won anOscar already, like it happened.
Okay, it's on Hulu.
Here's the premise.
And again, no matter what Itell you about this movie,
you're still like the way thatit looks and it moves and the
pace and the shots.
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There's some really crazy shots, like through keyholes and like
just you don't know what'saround the corner in this movie
at all and that's that's whatmakes it very, very cool and
very special.
But the premise is that a womanhas an adult woman has the brain
of a baby implanted into herskull.
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She has a it's like a full onbrain switch, like, and the
reason why is because that womancommitted suicide and we don't
know why.
And the movie, and as the movieplays out in a stone, this
woman, we watch her evolve fromhaving the brain of a baby into
having the brain of an adultwoman, as she comes to learn how
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people, and specifically women,are treated in society and she
approaches each one of thoseinteractions, each one of those
moments of learning, withchildlike naivety, which also
means she has childlike wisdom,which is to say she's like she's
not in an overly reactive way,but like she's just curious and
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perplexed how it can be thatthis is how we treat women.
Basically, that's the movie.
Okay, and I think what themovie is meaning to say is that
the way that we treat women isunprincipled and it is
restrictive of the human spiritand in that restriction, it is
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also causing damage to men.
Now, I think, keeping it abucko, I think most of the
people who recommended thismovie to me, in fact maybe all
of the people who recommendedthis movie to me.
That concludes my summary ofthe movie.
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Now begins my take.
I think everyone whorecommended that I watch this
film was a woman.
And as I watched the filmbecause this is how art works
and there's no fucking wayaround it as I watched, it took
me like four sittings to watchthis movie.
Okay, and that's just becauseof my own limitations of
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attention span in this moment inmy life right now Got a lot of
shit going on and I gotta watcha lot of basketball games, okay.
So I finished the movie lastnight in my bed and I literally
couldn't even like I didn't evenwant to try to like have an
immediate take.
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I needed to process.
But while I watched the movie, Iwatched it through a lens of.
I mean, it's right there in themovie, it's right in your face.
There is a feminist point ofview in the movie, but I also
watched it through the lens of.
This is a feminist point ofview that has been approved, as
I see it, by women who I believeto be feminists like, by women
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who I believe to be, like, realfeminists, not performative
feminists, and by women who Ibelieve have points of view that
are refined.
So I'm watching it and I'mseeing it through that lens, but
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within the first sitting, voicecrack.
Within the first sitting, I hadto know did a man or a woman
make this movie?
And in coming to know thatinformation, I learned that a
man made it, which was alsoevident at the Oscars because he
was there.
And when I say make it, who wasthe filmmaker, director?
There was also a message thatwas pushed out in the marketing
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of this film, which was thatEmma Stone had, you know, script
approvals and or and orfeedback and input, whatever,
whatever, whatever.
But like it's my take, this ishow.
This is how I receive the world.
I could not a know that,despite the message of
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femininity, feminism, feminismin the film, a dude made this
film, and this is just me.
I like to eat Jamaican foodmade by Jamaicans.
I like to eat Italian food madeby Italians.
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I cannot feel completelyaligned in how I receive this
movie and its message, whileknowing that a man stood behind
the pin Every frame, everyediting decision, every choice
of dialogue, every movement and,ultimately, the sequence and
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the finality of how it ends andwhat is said in its ending.
I can't saw another movie thatwas way worse than this movie a
few years ago, literally calledMen okay, and it was supposed to
be this.
Like it was actually supposedto be what this movie was.
It was supposed to be like thissurrealist, interesting shot in
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the British countryside movieabout a woman who is stuck alone
in a town that basically justonly has men in it and it turns
out and it becomes creepy andgross and murderous and just
like it's just a terriblefucking movie.
But it was supposed to besaying something profound about
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the dirtiness of men and thesociety that men have basically
ruled over.
This movie did so much betterthan that movie, with subtlety
and poetry and visuals and thespirit and like enormity of the
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protagonist woman, which wasEmma Stone, but I just couldn't
get that shit out of my head.
And I can't get that out of myhead.
And while watching Emma Stonego and take her Oscar for her
performance in this movie andthanking that dude for the
character that she portrayed inthe movie the best gift she's
ever received, as she put it Icouldn't.
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I still to this moment andhopefully actually maybe
somebody who has a point of viewon this who can tell me how to
reconcile these things.
And I can't really fall in lovewith any movie about black
people made by a white person.
I restrict my love.
It will not have it and, yeah,I think I feel the same right
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here, but I really liked it.
It's really cool.
Okay, let's play music, and thatwas not even on the docket, so
when we come back, we will beginwith the show's programming.
All right, morgan had takes onthat.
There's no backtracking, and sowe will move along, but I'm
glad that there were takes outof that segment, because that
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means there will be takes in theaudience, takes online, okay.
So after I turned off the movielast night, I was, I was
lounging and I have become, inmy grizzled age, quite good at
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lounging.
That is like one of my coreskill sets right now.
I had a candle, I had thetemperature in my room, just
perfect.
My dog was away in her pensleeping she is very additive to
the lounging experience and Iwas laying around watching
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basketball game Celtics,trailblazers maybe and I was
perusing the internet.
I was perusing when I saidperusing internet.
All right, this is where I gofor show ideas, unless they come
to me, as they often do, vialike clips and shares from my
friends and other people,whatever, who send them.
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Funny that, like I've said thisbefore, but like people start,
people like to send them onTuesday and Thursday mornings,
which I appreciate I will go toReddit and I will just see
what's on the front page ofReddit.
I will go to Reddit, mba, andI'll see what's going on there.
And then I will go to Twitterand just I can't, I cannot bear
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to read y'all's tweets, so Ijust click the the little search
thing, not y'all specifically,but the tweets.
I click the search thing and ittells me what's trending in my
algorithm and last night what Isaw there was Kate Middleton was
trending.
There was like 100,000 tweetsin my tweetosphere and how I
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process that information wasKate Middleton.
Okay, I know that name, but whois that?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You told me previously you're like not into
the Royals.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I am not into the Royals and that's where I'm
going there.
Okay, kate Middleton, is thatKate Upton?
And then I thought, no, that'snot Kate Upton.
Kate Middleton, is it KateHudson?
No, it's not Kate Hudson.
But I kind of got stuck in theKate Hudson ish face of it all,
because I do think there's aKate Hudson ish face here, like
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a sort of plain, pointy whitewoman.
Vibe, I'm not, you're not somissing any of it ish variants.
I clicked one of the tweets andit said something like you know
what, I can't even the tweetsabout this person who I hadn't
yet put together who it was.
They were so confusing and likepostmodern that I couldn't my
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brain couldn't, even it stillcouldn't calculate who is Kate
Middleton.
So I stopped looking cause Iwas like this is fake If meaning
, like I can't feign to haveinterest in this, but I don't
even know who this person is andI don't understand these tweets
.
So I moved on, go to sleep.
Wake up, me and Morgan aretrying to.
We're texting back and forth,trying to figure out what's
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gonna go on today's docket.
My sister G chats me and shesays are you something like?
Are you aware of what's goingon with the princess, and it
still doesn't click.
I'm like the princess, theprincess.
I'm like, first of all, this ismy American sister, my actual
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sister, telling me aboutsomething going on with a
princess.
And I'm like, who is theprincess?
Is it a Disney princess?
Is there a controversy aroundlike is there gonna be a new
Disney movie with a princess init?
And people are mad about whatrace the princess is Like.
I don't know what she means,but then it clicks and I'm like,
oh, kate Middleton the princess.
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Like these two things gotogether.
So Kate Middleton for anyonewho doesn't know, which is
probably nobody is the wife ofthe prince in England.
This sounds, by the way, thissounds so stupid.
This sounds so stupid Likeshe's the wife of a prince.
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What year is it?
Okay, but that's fine.
She's the wife of a prince,which makes her a princess.
A fucking princess, guys.
This is ridiculous.
A princess, okay.
So this is always not funny,okay, but the premise is absurd.
But there's a fucking princess,okay, but a real one.
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Not like a movie one, but likea real one.
So this part's not funny.
So let me look very solemn.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The princess is gone.
The princess is gone.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
The princess is gone, missing Literally.
I don't know if she's missing.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well, okay, you're right, you're right, you're
right.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Okay so, morgan is going to hold me accountable to
the journalistic integrity here.
I'm gonna say what I think hashappened, just based on the news
.
Okay, so she was missing.
Right, she was missing.
I don't think people had seenher in the public eye.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
They hadn't seen her in the public eye.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, which I translate as she's missing.
Then the people wanted to seeher in the public eye and so
what was rolled out was a photoof her with her three children.
These people look so beautiful.
These people look so profoundlywhite that it looks like this
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photo was taken on anotherplanet.
They're clear, no, but that'sfine.
You guys, you know what I'msaying.
I'm just pointing out, I'mtelling you all what the photo
looks like, and she is wrappedaround her three children.
But, as it was shown and broughtto my attention, it appears
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that there has been sometechnological doctoring to the
photo.
She was basically like photoshopped into the photo, or that
photo was generated with somesort of artificial intelligence.
It's what it looks like.
You can tell by the sort ofcoiled, twisted up fingers on
the hand of one of the children,even though, as I looked at
that part of the photo, likekids do weird stuff with their
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hands and shit like that,whatever.
But if you're facing the photo,that's for the kid on your far
left, the little boy, but alsothe daughter in the photo.
If you zoom in closely to oneof her hands, you will see that
the sleeve on her shirt is askew or a shoe, whatever, a skew
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.
A skew In a way that portraysthat this photo was somehow
doctored, like who's to sayexactly how, only so many people
probably even know, but itsuggests that, like something
was amiss here and then, andthen the family took account I'm
sorry, not the family, but in awritten statement, right, kate
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Middleton you guys, not KateUpton confirmed and apologized
for putting out this doctoredphoto.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, she was like I was messing around with editing,
which, yeah, a lot of peoplewere like that sounds sus, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The princess guys was messing around with editing.
The princess y'all.
If I were a princess, you wouldnever see me touching any sort
of thing that regards editing.
But that's fine, a princess.
So all right.
Here are the questions thatthis brings to mind for me.
For me started off here.
One, there's two, there's two,and I'm going to tell you what
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they both are, and then I wouldget into each one of them.
One is and I don't mean this ina judgmental way I'm really
going to explore it, okay, sogive me some leeway here.
Why do we care about this?
That's number one.
What's in there?
Morgan?
Morgan just held the whole ofher coffee up to her eye.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
What's going on with it?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I can't see how much, you're left, okay, like a
pirate looking down the tube ofa telescope.
Okay, and two, what?
And this one is really what'sbubbling around this
conversation and around this,like this news item.
What does this mean for thefuture of the internet?
This is a big one, apparently,y'all.
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This is like if the royalfamily is putting out doctored
photos that we can tell aredoctored, because not only
because our eye is looking forit, but also because there are
technological, you know,detectives, so to speak, who are
aware of how to look for thesethings.
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This could change a lot for howwe receive the internet.
So that's the second one.
I think it's more important, soI'll get to it.
Let me start with the first one.
I'm going to point out an ironyhere and it again is
non-judgmental, because I fallinto this same bracket For a
society ours, that spends asmuch time as it does complaining
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about how overworked and tiredand lacking of time as we are.
Let me say it differently asmuch as we complain about being
overworked and not having time,we always find time for
something like this.
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We always have time to make atrending.
Kate Middleton, the princess,has put out a doctored photo
which, to my eye.
I cannot understand thereal-life implications outside
of what we're going to get intoan item too, but let's just the
social, emotional, familialimplications.
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I cannot make that what'shappened there connect to my
actual life, as I am here allthe way over, here in this other
country where I don't careabout, like the monarch, the
monarchy I also want to say thisis not for lack of proximity or
worldliness on my part.
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I'm just going to be honestwith you guys.
I used to live a 10-minute walkfrom Buckingham Palace.
Okay, when I was there, Icouldn't find a way to get
myself to care about afigurehead monarchy.
That is just something that Icannot wrap myself around.
I'm not able to.
I can tell you where everysingle player in the NBA went to
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college.
So I'm not saying I'm above it,okay.
I'm just saying I can't make itmake sense for me.
I asked my sister who would bethe analogy, who would be like,
who's our version of the royalfamily?
And the first thing she saidwas well, joe Biden and the
Bidens.
And I said, well, no, because,like they have a prime minister,
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there are prime minister, youknow.
And then she said, well, thenyou know what?
You're right, it would actuallyprobably be like Jay-Z and
Beyonce, something like that,and that was a little easier for
me to connect to.
The most important thing thatJay-Z and Beyonce do for us
outside of their artistry isthat give us a way to see and
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talk about ourselves, and so Iwill take that from this, which
is that this story gives us away to talk about being trapped
in marriage and in parenthood,especially for women, which is
also what poor thing is about.
It gives us a way to talk aboutthe nefariousness of big
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entities, like a monarchy or acorporation, that have to keep
so many people under the controlof their public image that they
have to do stuff like this,like who knows who wrote this
photo out, who knows who wroteher written statement?
Like we will never know.
And so, in that way, I canunderstand why we talk about
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these things, because it'seasier to talk about other
people's shit than it is to talkabout our own shit.
Okay, so let me move on tonumber two, the internet,
because this is where I'm reallyinterested, because this is
where the artificialintelligence of it all is
involved.
At some point, I would ventureto guess, nobody in this room is
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ever gonna meet Kate Middleton.
That would be where they thinkthe odds are.
It's possible, but unlikely, iswhat I would say If you are of
the bracket that believes KateMiddleton is actually missing or
worse.
I'm just gonna put it like that.
I asked my sister this as wellwhat would you need to see?
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Because we're not gonna meether, she's not gonna walk in
here.
What would you need to see,considering what you know is the
power of the internet right now?
What would you need to see tobelieve that she is alive and
well?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
To believe that she's alive and well.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Or let's just say what would you need to see?
There are people who aretheorizing that she is either
just missing or possibly gone.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You know she's not gone or like severely ill.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Or severely ill.
Right, what would you need tolike what?
What would you need to see tomake you believe that she's good
?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I feel like like a banquet or something.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Something with other people at it.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
And is that because you would believe then in the
voucher of the collective thatthere are other people here
witnessing her.
So I believe that through theireyes I can know that she's okay
.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, like I feel like with, like you know,
spotted at a restaurant orwhatever, like with her head
down, like that's like very easyto like do like a stand-in or
like whatever.
Like I feel like a banquet,like if I was concerned about
someone's like wellbeing, I feellike seeing them at a banquet
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speaking, yeah, as them, then Iwould believe it.
Like even the other day, joeBiden was on late night and I
was like, oh okay, he'sfunctioning.
Like, you like literally I waslike, okay, like I know he had
to have been there because likesaid talking to him like you
know, so that was like that'shonestly.
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That brought to mind is I waslike, oh, joe, joe's speaking
and talking.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Okay, okay, josh, does that hold up for you as
well?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I wouldn't need much to be honest with you.
I would just need a photographfrom, I guess, just like a media
outlet that is like reputable.
That's pretty much all I wouldneed If I was one of these Truth
or People, I guess, because I'massuming there are Truth or
People out here that are tryingto say that like she's like not
well, or something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Well, they gave us a fake photo, oh yeah, and then
they owned it, Like whoever isthey?
It's like I wouldn't even callthem conspiracy theorists.
It's like if you check, if youlook at the photo right, You're
gonna see it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I mean I'm sure it's.
I mean I'm not denying thatit's doctored or anything like
that.
It's really about my level ofcaring Cause I'm just like, oh,
like if someone was just like,oh, here's a photo of Kate.
I was about to call Kate, kateMiddleton, and so I go, here's a
photo of Kate Middleton.
She was out last night.
I'm just like, yeah sure.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Like you know, okay, so you would accept a low bar.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, For me it's not a very high bar to clear.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So, okay, let me make it a little bit more, let me
make it less about how we careabout this particular person,
and just let me let me land theplane here which is there are so
many.
I mean, we already know thisand we've already accepted it.
(31:49):
Right, there's almost everyphoto that you see on the
internet is doctored in some wayA filter applied, skin tone
change, body features, you know,moved around, whatever,
whatever, whatever.
Now, this, to me, goes toanother level, because this is
not just fooling you to get youto buy in on a product or think
somebody is handsome or pretty.
This is like this was to likemove culture.
(32:10):
This was to like make thepeople that this family resides
over believe that this person is, is, is looked like, it's a
happy woman holding her children, like to just make you believe
everything is okay.
Obey, that's a little morenefarious, but I guess where I'm
going if, like, if the mostpowerful people step in it a
(32:33):
couple more times like this withthings that are of this
magnitude and things that lookthis creepy, cause we still are
like, well, where is she and canwe just see her?
And I, I mean, I didn't feelthis way until literally this
morning, cause now I'm talkingabout it.
But like, can we just see hertalking and being normal?
Can we just see something thatmakes this feel okay again?
(32:53):
I think we are entering a placewhere we could push our
distrust of the internet.
We already distrust theinstitutions.
We already distrust, like, thepowerful people that's dead,
like that's gone.
We still obey them but we don'ttrust them.
I think we're about to enter aplace where we have such a
(33:17):
strong distrust.
Like Morgan, you said this isscary because where our
artificial intelligence is goingis it's going to make it really
hard for us to decipher what'sreal and what's not on the
internet.
Yeah, and it's also just goingto be exhausting to have to
analyze every single thing thatlike comes out, because we can't
(33:38):
just trust our eyes anymore andand, and so what I think could
be the ricochet positive outcomehere is the internet's been
lying to our eyes for the lasttwo decades and we and we've
known it subconsciously, butwe've sort of like pushed it
down because it's such a part ofsociety we could get to a point
(34:01):
where we all are so aware that,like this is this, everything
happening on this screen, is avideo game that we find a place
of a more healthy and reasonabledetachment from what we see
going on there on the screens.
And maybe, hopefully then and Idon't know if we're smart
(34:22):
enough to do this collectively,but like, maybe, hopefully then
we will go back to putting ourtrust into things like human
voucher Like did somebody talkto her?
Who I believe is like if one ofus walks in here and says, hey,
I saw Kate Middleton, she'sokay, then it's like, yeah, okay
, now I believe that.
Or reputable publications Likemaybe we'll go back to and some
(34:46):
people have never left it, butlike maybe we'll go back to
being like okay, I trust, andI'm not going to choose one
because someone else there willbe.
Like you can't trust the NewYork Times, but like I trust
so-and-so whatever.
And like, just like, giveourselves a little bit of space
from letting this Game Boydictate our reality.
(35:07):
All right, fair enough, whocares?
Okay, I love man.
I almost made it through thiswhole show without talking about
the Oscars, but then we did thething at the beginning.
I'm not, I mean, and I'm notgoing to do it.
Oh, you know what happened,though this is funny.
It was probably like 10 o'clockwhen it occurred to me that the
(35:29):
iHeart podcast awards were onand I watched the end of it live
.
I missed all of.
I saw the very, very last one,where Adam Devine won something
for Best Comedy Podcast orwhatever.
I saw that Shannon Sharp wasthere.
I saw that Guy Raz won thecategory that I was up for for
direct deposit.
So congratulations to Guy Raz,who I actually think is dope.
(35:51):
Yeah, but we lost again.
So we are now over to onpodcasting awards, which means
pretty soon we'll be due.
Okay, that concludes ourcoverage of the iHeart podcast
awards.
Let's talk about self promotion.
All right, I had a conversationyesterday, so there's a few
(36:15):
things going on right now.
I Okay, this is what'shappening I have written a let's
call it 15 page or so manifestoon personal branding and self
(36:37):
promotion for real peoplebasically, which I think is most
of us people who are, who feeluncomfortable, cringy and scared
of the idea of self promotion.
And it'll be.
I'll put it out probably.
It's a it's.
I'll put it out.
(36:57):
Probably in the next 48 hoursor so I will charge money for it
, partially because I'm doingthis guys, I'm doing this, I'm
getting away from HBO Max writesyour checks and going over to
Archer media, which is mycompany, writes your checks.
(37:18):
That's what's happening here.
So, partially for that,partially charging, because it
took me at least I'm going tosay seven, but possibly closer
to 10 years to get ascomfortable as I am right this
second, with being like I havesomething good, here it is, I
(37:44):
want to give it to you.
Let's, let's hear it's here.
Look at this, I want to give itto you.
I will even pay money to havean opportunity to tell you that
I have that.
That's what paid.
Marketing is right and it's mybelief, it's my thesis this is
why I'm doing this thing thatthere are a lot of people out
there who want to turn thecorner on how they think about
(38:08):
promoting themselves, who wantto be able to do it without
feeling that feeling like one,it makes them a worse person.
And two, that they're going tobe laughed at and judged.
So the second part is aguarantee you will be laughed at
and judged.
But the first part I in my, inmy personal belief, doesn't have
(38:29):
to be so.
But as I have been okay.
So I've been writing, writing,writing right.
I've been having you know, whenI get into a mode of writing,
when I'm feeling inspired bysomething.
It's like wake up, feed dog,make coffee, sit in front of
that computer, and timedisappears.
(38:50):
Like I might look up and it'llbe 2.30.
I might look up and it'll befour o'clock, time to feed the
dog again.
And I don't even know it's timeto feed the dog until the dog
comes and puts her face righthere in my lap and is like you
will not work anymore until Ihave been fed.
That is what I believe is flowstate.
It's like it's like it's so fun.
(39:14):
It's like there's no, I meanit's fun Remove that.
It's like it's like the feelingof being weightless.
It's like something else hastaken you over and is holding
you like a marionette and isjust like making you do your
clickety clacks and you're justlike I put on my little beat
book music on repeat and I justfeel like I'm just like swimming
(39:37):
through a tunnel because I knowit and I have it and it's like
it's stuff that I have spent solong processing.
I can actually see and feelother writers like nodding their
head along here I see Leon'sface.
It's stuff that I've spent solong processing that there's no
difficulty in processing it.
Now it's literally I just haveto do the action of pouring it
(40:00):
out into the computer and in themiddle of that process.
So I've been doing that for thelast I don't know week with
this thing.
Yesterday I had to take amoment to stop.
Thankfully Destiny reminded meI had this because I would have
completely skipped right over it.
I had a meeting at one o'clockyesterday with a guy who works
(40:21):
in Hollywood.
He's in his mid 30s.
He's been working in Hollywoodfor about 10 to 12 years.
He runs a production companyand, without giving too many
descriptors because I don't wantto reveal his identity, he
wants to do this and I mean thegrand this.
(40:45):
You know what I'm saying.
He wants to be a one personcreative factory and not to say
that I am that like.
I'm actually very much, notthat because of these two
Negroes and a couple otherpeople, but, like, you know what
I'm saying, though, but youguys know what I mean right.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Are you not Negroes?
No, my dad loves calling usNegroes.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I've been referenced like that, since my dad has been
upset with me over something.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Well, you are Negroes , in fact, and so am I, but,
garland, this is not aboutNegroes.
This is about he wants to dothis job right.
But and this is to me there arelike technological hurdles to
clear and you got to learn howto write shit and you got to
learn how to do this.
This is about the mostimportant hurdle clear, and he
(41:38):
said it outright.
He said I'm scared.
I am scared of self promotion,morgan, you can't even stood in
front of this camera, right, youwere in front of this camera
for 30 seconds and when you weredone, you were like wait, so
you just like talk to the cameraand I'm like, yes, morgan,
that's why I need you to sitthere and affirm me as I do this
(41:59):
, because that is, that thing isscary.
That thing is scary.
I hate it every second of it.
It's not a person like itdoesn't laugh, it doesn't cry,
it doesn't respond.
You don't know what's going tohappen once you give yourself to
it Like it goes in there andthen like that shit is scary.
So, anyway.
(42:20):
So we had a conversation abouthis fear around self promotion
and a lot of what his fear was.
This part's important to me islike, as he put it, and I laugh
at this because someone asked meto do this and I was like I
cannot do that.
Like he was like you know, Idon't want to be doing a TikTok
(42:40):
where there's, like these imagebubbles, you know, bouncing
around my head and I'm likedoing this dance and I'm and I
somebody literally wanted me todo that and I was like I'm sorry
, I can't do it.
But he was basically saying,like it was funny, because he
was trying to.
It was it was a complexconversation because he's trying
(43:01):
to tell me I want to do whatyou do, so I admire you, but I
want to do it without being anasshole, and so he was trying to
make sure I didn't feel like hewas calling me an asshole and
that and that's the thing aboutit is that what is, in my
opinion, what is underneath ourfear of cringiness and self
(43:25):
promotion.
A lot of it is our own judgmentof other people who are doing it
, turned back on ourselves, andthat is, to me, why the game
here, if you want to beat thething, is like, it is completely
internal, like, like, and I'mstill working on it, very much,
(43:49):
still working on it, like youknow, as I'm sitting here
writing out this manifesto, I'mlike I keep finding myself going
back to the same message overand over and over again, which
is like before you amplify yourpersonality and your interest
and your ideas for other peopleto see, make sure you like
yourself first.
Make sure you think what youhave to say is interesting
(44:09):
before you just start spewing itout to people.
Make sure you think your ideasare cool for you start offering
them to others, because you aregoing to have to stand behind
them until other people thinkthe same thing that you do, or
you're going to have to findpeople who naturally think the
same thing that you do or wantwhat you are offering them.
And that brought me to at like.
(44:32):
This is.
This is why this is why I lovewriting, because 60% of what I
have written out in thisdocument is stuff that I knew.
I knew, and 40% of it is stuffthat I didn't even realize.
I knew.
You know what I mean.
Like it's it was like it isrevealing itself to me.
I found this might be the mostpoignant thing of the whole shit
(44:56):
for me.
I realized I started promotingmyself before I liked myself and
that was a dangerous place tobe because I started selling an
image of a person, I startedselling a concept of a person,
(45:18):
and sometimes in sales you cansell something before you make
it and that's okay.
You sell merch before the merchis produced, that's fine, as
long as you make good on thesale.
As a human being probablyshouldn't do that.
I was selling the idea of me assome sort of genius, some sort
of like wonderkin prodigy thingin my barber.
(45:39):
I was selling it, selling it,sold it so hard because
Hollywood is all sales, but Ididn't have like the underlying
asset to back that up, like Ididn't have like the the.
I'm just a person, like I'm not.
I'm not something differentfrom that, I'm not something
(46:01):
bigger than that, I'm notsomething like it's like the
Wizard of Oz shit.
And then I and then once I hadmade the sale and doubled down
on the sale and doubled down onit again, I my whole life became
for years until recently,became playing catch up on the
sale that I had made.
I was just trying to play catchup on the checks that I had
(46:21):
written, and so my solution tothe fear of self promotion is
just like make sure you have thething to sell before you start
selling.
That's it.
I thought it was pretty good.
That's all I got.
That's all I got on that.
I mean I have much more on it,but you have to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Where can people find it?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Very soon they'll be able to find it at a Stan shop,
in my bio.
So this is what's going tohappen.
You know what Fuck it?
Let's just use these sevenminutes I want to show because
there are people who listen tothis show and who follow, who
want to know these processes.
I just want to tell y'all whatI'm about to do.
(47:13):
I wrote this thing.
The biggest hurdle for me toclear on this thing, similar to
what I just said, was thatno-transcript.
Someone is coaching me throughhow to do this process, but I
knew I couldn't take any furthersteps on it until I wrote
something that I believed in.
That's it Like.
(47:34):
Other people do it differentand they move faster than me and
they're richer than me.
I'm sorry I cannot go to thelemonade stand with lemonade.
That is bullshit.
I just can't do it.
So I have spent and I'm notdone yet.
I gotta write it.
I gotta write this thing out,design it.
I'm gonna ask Morgan if I mayuse the Canva template to put it
(47:55):
into because it looks so pretty, but in any case, I'm making.
So this is guys.
I'm letting y'all in on someshit.
Okay, josh, you're already here.
Yeah, this is going to be adocument, a PDF, just
information.
I will then go make a standshop STAN.
(48:15):
I will drop this thing into thestand shop.
It'll be the only thing you canbuy on that stand shop.
I will then make a carousel thathas probably three or four
slides.
Titular slide will have thetitle in big, bold font.
It's gonna be something like aguide to personal branding for
(48:42):
real people.
Nobody take that title.
That's probably gonna be mytitle.
Don't take my title.
I mean, you know what I'm gonnaactually try, it's fine, I
don't care, good luck.
Good luck, like let's see whoyou know what I'm saying.
Let's see who can do thisbetter.
Then the following slides aregonna be like what I think are
(49:02):
perhaps the most poignantelements of the writing.
Right, maybe a personal storylike the one I just told, maybe
something that is somethingpeople don't know about, using
social media as an example.
Something people don't know isthat you, as a human being, are
probably literally incapable ofposting so much that the
(49:25):
algorithm deprioritizes yourcontent.
A computer could do it.
You probably can't do it,unless you are posting a hundred
things a day.
You probably cannot reach avolume that's gonna make the
thing deprioritize your content.
That's in there.
I'll make three or four slideslike that Titular slide,
carousel, boom Copy.
(49:47):
Something personal butstraightforward about exactly
what this thing is, because thisis not about me now.
This is about I talk to myaudience all day, also in the
manifesto Talk to your audienceall day.
I talk to my audience all day,every day.
I know what you all are into.
I know what you guys like.
I know what's blocking you.
(50:08):
I'm going to use your own wordsand put them back into this copy
to let you know.
This is the thing that y'allhave been looking for.
This is what you've been askingme for.
This is what I'm chargingpeople to sit one on one with me
to discuss.
But if you don't want to spendtwo or $400 to sit with me one
on one, then, like here, it isfor X amount of dollars.
(50:32):
I'm gonna say links in my bio.
I'm gonna post it.
There'll be some organic trafficfrom my following to that link.
Hopefully some percentage ofthose people will buy the thing
and it's theirs.
But also I am going to then paythe algorithm to put that thing
(50:52):
in front of as many people as Ican afford from my audience
such that or sorry, that arelike my audience such that that
traffic moves from my page orfrom that ad straight to that
website.
And then some of the people buythe thing.
And then I'm going to watch itthe way that the way that a
(51:15):
preng mantis watches a flywalking across the window sill
I'm going to watch it as thoughit is the last food I could ever
possibly eat and I'm going totinker with it meticulously
until it returns exactly what Ineeded to give me back to make
this a worthwhile endeavor.
And then, if it works, I'mgonna go make another one for
(51:37):
the other thing somebody wants.
And then I'm gonna go makeanother one, and then I'm going
to get out of this stupid assHollywood rat race and I'm gonna
go make nice things that I loveand make them available to the
world, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
That's it.
I was hoping there would be abug segment today.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
There's the bug segment.
I will be a preng mantiswatching.
You know how a preng mantiswatches, right?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
No, I don't.
That's why it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Oh a preng mantis, just like it, just like you know
, has like big eyes, big bubblyeyes, and like a fly, is like
walking across the thing andit's like watching it with its
little mantis hooks, and thenit's like you know, Okay, this
(52:23):
has been nothing but anarchy.
Thank you for joining us today.
We're gonna be outside onThursday.
It's so beautiful out, it'sgetting beautiful, so we'll see
y'all then.
Alright, welcome to nothing.
Band or key.
All right, let's get right intoit.
So let's start here.
Morgan Sean is your mic on.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hear me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yes, okay, morgan Trons voice is raspy.
She was in Austin for the lasthow many days.
I was there for two days shewas in Austin for South by
Southwest.
Okay, let's start with Morgan.
How was South by Southwest?
Do not say anything boring.
Tell me how many drinks youconsumed, how late were you up
(00:43):
each night and are you tired?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm very tired.
It was really fun.
It was my first South by.
I worked the entire day onSunday and then consumed drinks,
so there's not really much tosay there.
I was just at this like techthing and then on Saturday I
flew in.
I was too early to check intomy hotel so I looked at what was
(01:06):
happening and I saw that thehacks screening for season three
premiere was like happening inperfect timing.
I had enough time to like getthere.
I was like, oh sick Cause.
Like have you watched hacks?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I have.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I love that show.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Word.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And I, so I got there .
The whole cast was there.
They did like a little panelafterwards and I don't know it
was fun.
It's weird to watch a comedy ina crowd yeah, because people
laugh for a long time.
Then you miss the dialogue.
I hated that.
I actually was really irritatedat one point and I wanted to
like not watch it in this largegroup of people because you were
(01:43):
missing the dialogue.
But then after that I got food.
Yeah, it was, it was a, it wasa work trip, but like Saturday
or Sunday was really fun.
After I consumed drinks.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, um, what kind of drinks did you consume?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Um, I had a Yeager bomb.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh my God.
Okay, here we go.
This is, this is what we werelooking for.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Morgan, I've had a really long time.
Um, and it's so disgusting.
Who bought a Yeager?
Did you order your own Yeagerbomb?
No because the videographers Iwork with.
Like one of them loves Yeager,for whatever reason.
Okay, so it was his idea, butum, but yeah, and then, oh, okay
, sorry, I also went to thisthing called Black Future House,
(02:27):
which they had a bunch ofpanels, okay, it was pretty like
was it fun.
It was really fun, but it waslike it was a lot of like
standing.
I was standing for I felt like48 hours.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, scale of one to 10.
How much fun was it.
10 is the time of your life.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I would say like a seven.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, six or seven.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Um, I think like if I had an extra day there where I
wasn't working, it could havebeen like more fun, but it was
pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
All right, okay, thank you, morgan.
That was our uh South bySouthwest correspondent
Morgatron.
So, um, all right, let's talkabout.
There's some things to talkabout here, but actually one
just came up.
So, before we even get into thedocket here, we've changed the
structure of the show a littlebit to make the show, uh, to
give the show a little bit moreair space for us to um, explore
(03:22):
topics and and like not have torush through to the next bullet
item.
So just give me some space here.
So I finished watching poorthings last night and several
people have recommended poorthings to me as a movie that
they thought I mean first, justas a movie that they loved on
their own, and then also as amovie that they thought I
(03:47):
specifically would like.
Um, people who are close to meare aware of my persnickety, uh
consume media consumption habits.
Like if something looks bad tome or like I'm not interested in
it, from a trailer, from themarketing, from whatever, like I
(04:10):
will not even go near it.
Uh, like American fiction.
But Morgan has given me strictlaws around what I how much time
I can spend talking aboutAmerican fiction today, so I
will not say anything else aboutthat.
The point is just this whenpeople tell me you must watch
this, I take that seriouslybecause, um, because they know
(04:33):
if, if they tell me to watchsomething and I don't like it, I
will be annoyed by that and Iwill like someone, um, who I'm
quite close to recently said tome that she was surprised I
don't know if the word issurprised and I don't want to
(04:55):
paraphrase, I don't want to fuckit up but basically she was
saying for somebody who is who Ithink of as having good taste
in movies um, you don't watch alot of movies.
Good taste in television youdon't watch a lot of television,
and I think that.
(05:15):
I think that there is a part ofacquiring taste that is trying
a lot of things and figuring outwhat you like and what's good.
But I also think there's a partof acquiring taste that is not
overly exposing yourself to toomuch stuff that's not that good,
(05:39):
that is to say, and I thinkthat goes for music, I think it
goes for design, I think it goesfor movies, I think it goes for
people, I think it goes forpretty much everything, and
we're going to get into this alittle more throughout this
episode, like, if you willaccept mediocrity as something
to give two hours of your timeto.
(06:00):
That is going to affect yourpalette for what you will
consume.
Um, more on that.
But first, poor things.
Here's what I think the moviewas about.
Sorry, there's going to be hellaspoilers in this.
Yeah, morgan, it's a show.
Okay, oh, my God, it's a show.
(06:23):
The movie came out like threemonths ago.
Like Morgan, I'm sorry.
Okay, you want to cover yourears, morgan?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No, it's fine, so I'm going to spoil part of it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean, here's the thing about it, and this is this
movie is special in this way,no matter what I tell you about
this move.
And, by the way, for the peoplewho recommended that I watch
this movie, I thought it was.
I'm glad I watched it.
That's the best way for me todescribe it.
I'm glad I watched it.
It showed me something new,something fresh, something
(06:55):
interesting.
Set design incredible.
Emma Stone's performance reallyinteresting, really good,
although I will say I heard thison someone else's show, so I
don't want to pretend like Icame up with this.
Take, um, when we say somebodywas brave in their performance,
did I already say this lastepisode, which is what people
are calling Emma Stone'sperformance in that movie, that
(07:17):
it was brave?
That is coding, for this persongot butt, ass naked 100 times
in the movie.
That's all.
That's all it means, like.
That's what it means.
She got naked, she had a lot ofsex, it was convincing, you
believed it.
It was also like, um, it wasunpolished sex, which is to say
(07:39):
it wasn't like a uh, it wasn'tlike some overly done trying to
be artistic version of sex.
It was like raw, gruntingfucking, like that's what it was
.
So, and I do think it was abrave performance.
But I just want that.
I just want to point out thatwhen we say someone was brave in
their performance, that's whatwe mean Male or female or
(08:00):
otherwise.
Like that they showed theirgenitals.
Other things about the moviepremise I'm giving like, if you
all don't want to hear this, I'msorry.
Like the movies out, it won anOscar already, like it happened.
Okay, it's on Hulu.
Here's the premise.
And again, no matter what Itell you about this movie,
you're still like the way thatit looks and it moves and the
pace and the shots.
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There's some really crazy shots, like through keyholes and like
just you don't know what'saround the corner in this movie
at all and that's that's whatmakes it very, very cool and
very special.
But the premise is that a womanhas an adult woman has the brain
of a baby implanted into herskull.
(08:44):
She has a it's like a full onbrain switch, like, and the
reason why is because that womancommitted suicide and we don't
know why.
And the movie, and as the movieplays out in a stone, this
woman, we watch her evolve fromhaving the brain of a baby into
having the brain of an adultwoman, as she comes to learn how
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people, and specifically women,are treated in society and she
approaches each one of thoseinteractions, each one of those
moments of learning, withchildlike naivety, which also
means she has childlike wisdom,which is to say she's like she's
not in an overly reactive way,but like she's just curious and
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perplexed how it can be thatthis is how we treat women.
Basically, that's the movie.
Okay, and I think what themovie is meaning to say is that
the way that we treat women isunprincipled and it is
restrictive of the human spiritand in that restriction, it is
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also causing damage to men.
Now, I think, keeping it abucko, I think most of the
people who recommended thismovie to me, in fact maybe all
of the people who recommendedthis movie to me.
That concludes my summary ofthe movie.
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Now begins my take.
I think everyone whorecommended that I watch this
film was a woman.
And as I watched the filmbecause this is how art works
and there's no fucking wayaround it as I watched, it took
me like four sittings to watchthis movie.
Okay, and that's just becauseof my own limitations of
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attention span in this moment inmy life right now Got a lot of
shit going on and I gotta watcha lot of basketball games, okay.
So I finished the movie lastnight in my bed and I literally
couldn't even like I didn't evenwant to try to like have an
immediate take.
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I needed to process.
But while I watched the movie, Iwatched it through a lens of.
I mean, it's right there in themovie, it's right in your face.
There is a feminist point ofview in the movie, but I also
watched it through the lens of.
This is a feminist point ofview that has been approved, as
I see it, by women who I believeto be feminists like, by women
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who I believe to be, like, realfeminists, not performative
feminists, and by women who Ibelieve have points of view that
are refined.
So I'm watching it and I'mseeing it through that lens, but
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within the first sitting, voicecrack.
Within the first sitting, I hadto know did a man or a woman
make this movie?
And in coming to know thatinformation, I learned that a
man made it, which was alsoevident at the Oscars because he
was there.
And when I say make it, who wasthe filmmaker, director?
There was also a message thatwas pushed out in the marketing
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of this film, which was thatEmma Stone had, you know, script
approvals and or and orfeedback and input, whatever,
whatever, whatever.
But like it's my take, this ishow.
This is how I receive the world.
I could not a know that,despite the message of
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femininity, feminism, feminismin the film, a dude made this
film, and this is just me.
I like to eat Jamaican foodmade by Jamaicans.
I like to eat Italian food madeby Italians.
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I cannot feel completelyaligned in how I receive this
movie and its message, whileknowing that a man stood behind
the pin Every frame, everyediting decision, every choice
of dialogue, every movement and,ultimately, the sequence and
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the finality of how it ends andwhat is said in its ending.
I can't saw another movie thatwas way worse than this movie a
few years ago, literally calledMen okay, and it was supposed to
be this.
Like it was actually supposedto be what this movie was.
It was supposed to be like thissurrealist, interesting shot in
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the British countryside movieabout a woman who is stuck alone
in a town that basically justonly has men in it and it turns
out and it becomes creepy andgross and murderous and just
like it's just a terriblefucking movie.
But it was supposed to besaying something profound about
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the dirtiness of men and thesociety that men have basically
ruled over.
This movie did so much betterthan that movie, with subtlety
and poetry and visuals and thespirit and like enormity of the
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protagonist woman, which wasEmma Stone, but I just couldn't
get that shit out of my head.
And I can't get that out of myhead.
And while watching Emma Stonego and take her Oscar for her
performance in this movie andthanking that dude for the
character that she portrayed inthe movie the best gift she's
ever received, as she put it Icouldn't.
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I still to this moment andhopefully actually maybe
somebody who has a point of viewon this who can tell me how to
reconcile these things.
And I can't really fall in lovewith any movie about black
people made by a white person.
I restrict my love.
It will not have it and, yeah,I think I feel the same right
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here, but I really liked it.
It's really cool.
Okay, let's play music, and thatwas not even on the docket, so
when we come back, we will beginwith the show's programming.
All right, morgan had takes onthat.
There's no backtracking, and sowe will move along, but I'm
glad that there were takes outof that segment, because that
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means there will be takes in theaudience, takes online, okay.
So after I turned off the movielast night, I was, I was
lounging and I have become, inmy grizzled age, quite good at
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lounging.
That is like one of my coreskill sets right now.
I had a candle, I had thetemperature in my room, just
perfect.
My dog was away in her pensleeping she is very additive to
the lounging experience and Iwas laying around watching
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basketball game Celtics,trailblazers maybe and I was
perusing the internet.
I was perusing when I saidperusing internet.
All right, this is where I gofor show ideas, unless they come
to me, as they often do, vialike clips and shares from my
friends and other people,whatever, who send them.
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Funny that, like I've said thisbefore, but like people start,
people like to send them onTuesday and Thursday mornings,
which I appreciate I will go toReddit and I will just see
what's on the front page ofReddit.
I will go to Reddit, mba, andI'll see what's going on there.
And then I will go to Twitterand just I can't, I cannot bear
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to read y'all's tweets, so Ijust click the the little search
thing, not y'all specifically,but the tweets.
I click the search thing and ittells me what's trending in my
algorithm and last night what Isaw there was Kate Middleton was
trending.
There was like 100,000 tweetsin my tweetosphere and how I
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process that information wasKate Middleton.
Okay, I know that name, but whois that?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You told me previously you're like not into
the Royals.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I am not into the Royals and that's where I'm
going there.
Okay, kate Middleton, is thatKate Upton?
And then I thought, no, that'snot Kate Upton.
Kate Middleton, is it KateHudson?
No, it's not Kate Hudson.
But I kind of got stuck in theKate Hudson ish face of it all,
because I do think there's aKate Hudson ish face here, like
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a sort of plain, pointy whitewoman.
Vibe, I'm not, you're not somissing any of it ish variants.
I clicked one of the tweets andit said something like you know
what, I can't even the tweetsabout this person who I hadn't
yet put together who it was.
They were so confusing and likepostmodern that I couldn't my
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brain couldn't, even it stillcouldn't calculate who is Kate
Middleton.
So I stopped looking cause Iwas like this is fake If meaning
, like I can't feign to haveinterest in this, but I don't
even know who this person is andI don't understand these tweets
.
So I moved on, go to sleep.
Wake up, me and Morgan aretrying to.
We're texting back and forth,trying to figure out what's
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gonna go on today's docket.
My sister G chats me and shesays are you something like?
Are you aware of what's goingon with the princess, and it
still doesn't click.
I'm like the princess, theprincess.
I'm like, first of all, this ismy American sister, my actual
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sister, telling me aboutsomething going on with a
princess.
And I'm like, who is theprincess?
Is it a Disney princess?
Is there a controversy aroundlike is there gonna be a new
Disney movie with a princess init?
And people are mad about whatrace the princess is Like.
I don't know what she means,but then it clicks and I'm like,
oh, kate Middleton the princess.
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Like these two things gotogether.
So Kate Middleton for anyonewho doesn't know, which is
probably nobody is the wife ofthe prince in England.
This sounds, by the way, thissounds so stupid.
This sounds so stupid Likeshe's the wife of a prince.
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What year is it?
Okay, but that's fine.
She's the wife of a prince,which makes her a princess.
A fucking princess, guys.
This is ridiculous.
A princess, okay.
So this is always not funny,okay, but the premise is absurd.
But there's a fucking princess,okay, but a real one.
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Not like a movie one, but likea real one.
So this part's not funny.
So let me look very solemn.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The princess is gone.
The princess is gone.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
The princess is gone, missing Literally.
I don't know if she's missing.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well, okay, you're right, you're right, you're
right.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Okay so, morgan is going to hold me accountable to
the journalistic integrity here.
I'm gonna say what I think hashappened, just based on the news
.
Okay, so she was missing.
Right, she was missing.
I don't think people had seenher in the public eye.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
They hadn't seen her in the public eye.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, which I translate as she's missing.
Then the people wanted to seeher in the public eye and so
what was rolled out was a photoof her with her three children.
These people look so beautiful.
These people look so profoundlywhite that it looks like this
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photo was taken on anotherplanet.
They're clear, no, but that'sfine.
You guys, you know what I'msaying.
I'm just pointing out, I'mtelling you all what the photo
looks like, and she is wrappedaround her three children.
But, as it was shown and broughtto my attention, it appears
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that there has been sometechnological doctoring to the
photo.
She was basically like photoshopped into the photo, or that
photo was generated with somesort of artificial intelligence.
It's what it looks like.
You can tell by the sort ofcoiled, twisted up fingers on
the hand of one of the children,even though, as I looked at
that part of the photo, likekids do weird stuff with their
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hands and shit like that,whatever.
But if you're facing the photo,that's for the kid on your far
left, the little boy, but alsothe daughter in the photo.
If you zoom in closely to oneof her hands, you will see that
the sleeve on her shirt is askew or a shoe, whatever, a skew
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.
A skew In a way that portraysthat this photo was somehow
doctored, like who's to sayexactly how, only so many people
probably even know, but itsuggests that, like something
was amiss here and then, andthen the family took account I'm
sorry, not the family, but in awritten statement, right, kate
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Middleton you guys, not KateUpton confirmed and apologized
for putting out this doctoredphoto.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, she was like I was messing around with editing,
which, yeah, a lot of peoplewere like that sounds sus, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The princess guys was messing around with editing.
The princess y'all.
If I were a princess, you wouldnever see me touching any sort
of thing that regards editing.
But that's fine, a princess.
So all right.
Here are the questions thatthis brings to mind for me.
For me started off here.
One, there's two, there's two,and I'm going to tell you what
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they both are, and then I wouldget into each one of them.
One is and I don't mean this ina judgmental way I'm really
going to explore it, okay, sogive me some leeway here.
Why do we care about this?
That's number one.
What's in there?
Morgan?
Morgan just held the whole ofher coffee up to her eye.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
What's going on with it?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I can't see how much, you're left, okay, like a
pirate looking down the tube ofa telescope.
Okay, and two, what?
And this one is really what'sbubbling around this
conversation and around this,like this news item.
What does this mean for thefuture of the internet?
This is a big one, apparently,y'all.
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This is like if the royalfamily is putting out doctored
photos that we can tell aredoctored, because not only
because our eye is looking forit, but also because there are
technological, you know,detectives, so to speak, who are
aware of how to look for thesethings.
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This could change a lot for howwe receive the internet.
So that's the second one.
I think it's more important, soI'll get to it.
Let me start with the first one.
I'm going to point out an ironyhere and it again is
non-judgmental, because I fallinto this same bracket For a
society ours, that spends asmuch time as it does complaining
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about how overworked and tiredand lacking of time as we are.
Let me say it differently asmuch as we complain about being
overworked and not having time,we always find time for
something like this.
(25:26):
We always have time to make atrending.
Kate Middleton, the princess,has put out a doctored photo
which, to my eye.
I cannot understand thereal-life implications outside
of what we're going to get intoan item too, but let's just the
social, emotional, familialimplications.
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I cannot make that what'shappened there connect to my
actual life, as I am here allthe way over, here in this other
country where I don't careabout, like the monarch, the
monarchy I also want to say thisis not for lack of proximity or
worldliness on my part.
(26:09):
I'm just going to be honestwith you guys.
I used to live a 10-minute walkfrom Buckingham Palace.
Okay, when I was there, Icouldn't find a way to get
myself to care about afigurehead monarchy.
That is just something that Icannot wrap myself around.
I'm not able to.
I can tell you where everysingle player in the NBA went to
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college.
So I'm not saying I'm above it,okay.
I'm just saying I can't make itmake sense for me.
I asked my sister who would bethe analogy, who would be like,
who's our version of the royalfamily?
And the first thing she saidwas well, joe Biden and the
Bidens.
And I said, well, no, because,like they have a prime minister,
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there are prime minister, youknow.
And then she said, well, thenyou know what?
You're right, it would actuallyprobably be like Jay-Z and
Beyonce, something like that,and that was a little easier for
me to connect to.
The most important thing thatJay-Z and Beyonce do for us
outside of their artistry isthat give us a way to see and
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talk about ourselves, and so Iwill take that from this, which
is that this story gives us away to talk about being trapped
in marriage and in parenthood,especially for women, which is
also what poor thing is about.
It gives us a way to talk aboutthe nefariousness of big
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entities, like a monarchy or acorporation, that have to keep
so many people under the controlof their public image that they
have to do stuff like this,like who knows who wrote this
photo out, who knows who wroteher written statement?
Like we will never know.
And so, in that way, I canunderstand why we talk about
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these things, because it'seasier to talk about other
people's shit than it is to talkabout our own shit.
Okay, so let me move on tonumber two, the internet,
because this is where I'm reallyinterested, because this is
where the artificialintelligence of it all is
involved.
At some point, I would ventureto guess, nobody in this room is
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ever gonna meet Kate Middleton.
That would be where they thinkthe odds are.
It's possible, but unlikely, iswhat I would say If you are of
the bracket that believes KateMiddleton is actually missing or
worse.
I'm just gonna put it like that.
I asked my sister this as wellwhat would you need to see?
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Because we're not gonna meether, she's not gonna walk in
here.
What would you need to see,considering what you know is the
power of the internet right now?
What would you need to see tobelieve that she is alive and
well?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
To believe that she's alive and well.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Or let's just say what would you need to see?
There are people who aretheorizing that she is either
just missing or possibly gone.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You know she's not gone or like severely ill.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Or severely ill.
Right, what would you need tolike what?
What would you need to see tomake you believe that she's good
?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I feel like like a banquet or something.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Something with other people at it.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
And is that because you would believe then in the
voucher of the collective thatthere are other people here
witnessing her.
So I believe that through theireyes I can know that she's okay
.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, like I feel like with, like you know,
spotted at a restaurant orwhatever, like with her head
down, like that's like very easyto like do like a stand-in or
like whatever.
Like I feel like a banquet,like if I was concerned about
someone's like wellbeing, I feellike seeing them at a banquet
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speaking, yeah, as them, then Iwould believe it.
Like even the other day, joeBiden was on late night and I
was like, oh okay, he'sfunctioning.
Like, you like literally I waslike, okay, like I know he had
to have been there because likesaid talking to him like you
know, so that was like that'shonestly.
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That brought to mind is I waslike, oh, joe, joe's speaking
and talking.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Okay, okay, josh, does that hold up for you as
well?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I wouldn't need much to be honest with you.
I would just need a photographfrom, I guess, just like a media
outlet that is like reputable.
That's pretty much all I wouldneed If I was one of these Truth
or People, I guess, because I'massuming there are Truth or
People out here that are tryingto say that like she's like not
well, or something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Well, they gave us a fake photo, oh yeah, and then
they owned it, Like whoever isthey?
It's like I wouldn't even callthem conspiracy theorists.
It's like if you check, if youlook at the photo right, You're
gonna see it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I mean I'm sure it's.
I mean I'm not denying thatit's doctored or anything like
that.
It's really about my level ofcaring Cause I'm just like, oh,
like if someone was just like,oh, here's a photo of Kate.
I was about to call Kate, kateMiddleton, and so I go, here's a
photo of Kate Middleton.
She was out last night.
I'm just like, yeah sure.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Like you know, okay, so you would accept a low bar.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, For me it's not a very high bar to clear.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So, okay, let me make it a little bit more, let me
make it less about how we careabout this particular person,
and just let me let me land theplane here which is there are so
many.
I mean, we already know thisand we've already accepted it.
(31:49):
Right, there's almost everyphoto that you see on the
internet is doctored in some wayA filter applied, skin tone
change, body features, you know,moved around, whatever,
whatever, whatever.
Now, this, to me, goes toanother level, because this is
not just fooling you to get youto buy in on a product or think
somebody is handsome or pretty.
This is like this was to likemove culture.
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This was to like make thepeople that this family resides
over believe that this person is, is, is looked like, it's a
happy woman holding her children, like to just make you believe
everything is okay.
Obey, that's a little morenefarious, but I guess where I'm
going if, like, if the mostpowerful people step in it a
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couple more times like this withthings that are of this
magnitude and things that lookthis creepy, cause we still are
like, well, where is she and canwe just see her?
And I, I mean, I didn't feelthis way until literally this
morning, cause now I'm talkingabout it.
But like, can we just see hertalking and being normal?
Can we just see something thatmakes this feel okay again?
(32:53):
I think we are entering a placewhere we could push our
distrust of the internet.
We already distrust theinstitutions.
We already distrust, like, thepowerful people that's dead,
like that's gone.
We still obey them but we don'ttrust them.
I think we're about to enter aplace where we have such a
(33:17):
strong distrust.
Like Morgan, you said this isscary because where our
artificial intelligence is goingis it's going to make it really
hard for us to decipher what'sreal and what's not on the
internet.
Yeah, and it's also just goingto be exhausting to have to
analyze every single thing thatlike comes out, because we can't
(33:38):
just trust our eyes anymore andand, and so what I think could
be the ricochet positive outcomehere is the internet's been
lying to our eyes for the lasttwo decades and we and we've
known it subconsciously, butwe've sort of like pushed it
down because it's such a part ofsociety we could get to a point
(34:01):
where we all are so aware that,like this is this, everything
happening on this screen, is avideo game that we find a place
of a more healthy and reasonabledetachment from what we see
going on there on the screens.
And maybe, hopefully then and Idon't know if we're smart
(34:22):
enough to do this collectively,but like, maybe, hopefully then
we will go back to putting ourtrust into things like human
voucher Like did somebody talkto her?
Who I believe is like if one ofus walks in here and says, hey,
I saw Kate Middleton, she'sokay, then it's like, yeah, okay
, now I believe that.
Or reputable publications Likemaybe we'll go back to and some
(34:46):
people have never left it, butlike maybe we'll go back to
being like okay, I trust, andI'm not going to choose one
because someone else there willbe.
Like you can't trust the NewYork Times, but like I trust
so-and-so whatever.
And like, just like, giveourselves a little bit of space
from letting this Game Boydictate our reality.
(35:07):
All right, fair enough, whocares?
Okay, I love man.
I almost made it through thiswhole show without talking about
the Oscars, but then we did thething at the beginning.
I'm not, I mean, and I'm notgoing to do it.
Oh, you know what happened,though this is funny.
It was probably like 10 o'clockwhen it occurred to me that the
(35:29):
iHeart podcast awards were onand I watched the end of it live
.
I missed all of.
I saw the very, very last one,where Adam Devine won something
for Best Comedy Podcast orwhatever.
I saw that Shannon Sharp wasthere.
I saw that Guy Raz won thecategory that I was up for for
direct deposit.
So congratulations to Guy Raz,who I actually think is dope.
(35:51):
Yeah, but we lost again.
So we are now over to onpodcasting awards, which means
pretty soon we'll be due.
Okay, that concludes ourcoverage of the iHeart podcast
awards.
Let's talk about self promotion.
All right, I had a conversationyesterday, so there's a few
(36:15):
things going on right now.
I Okay, this is what'shappening I have written a let's
call it 15 page or so manifestoon personal branding and self
(36:37):
promotion for real peoplebasically, which I think is most
of us people who are, who feeluncomfortable, cringy and scared
of the idea of self promotion.
And it'll be.
I'll put it out probably.
It's a it's.
I'll put it out.
(36:57):
Probably in the next 48 hoursor so I will charge money for it
, partially because I'm doingthis guys, I'm doing this, I'm
getting away from HBO Max writesyour checks and going over to
Archer media, which is mycompany, writes your checks.
(37:18):
That's what's happening here.
So, partially for that,partially charging, because it
took me at least I'm going tosay seven, but possibly closer
to 10 years to get ascomfortable as I am right this
second, with being like I havesomething good, here it is, I
(37:44):
want to give it to you.
Let's, let's hear it's here.
Look at this, I want to give itto you.
I will even pay money to havean opportunity to tell you that
I have that.
That's what paid.
Marketing is right and it's mybelief, it's my thesis this is
why I'm doing this thing thatthere are a lot of people out
there who want to turn thecorner on how they think about
(38:08):
promoting themselves, who wantto be able to do it without
feeling that feeling like one,it makes them a worse person.
And two, that they're going tobe laughed at and judged.
So the second part is aguarantee you will be laughed at
and judged.
But the first part I in my, inmy personal belief, doesn't have
(38:29):
to be so.
But as I have been okay.
So I've been writing, writing,writing right.
I've been having you know, whenI get into a mode of writing,
when I'm feeling inspired bysomething.
It's like wake up, feed dog,make coffee, sit in front of
that computer, and timedisappears.
(38:50):
Like I might look up and it'llbe 2.30.
I might look up and it'll befour o'clock, time to feed the
dog again.
And I don't even know it's timeto feed the dog until the dog
comes and puts her face righthere in my lap and is like you
will not work anymore until Ihave been fed.
That is what I believe is flowstate.
It's like it's like it's so fun.
(39:14):
It's like there's no, I meanit's fun Remove that.
It's like it's like the feelingof being weightless.
It's like something else hastaken you over and is holding
you like a marionette and isjust like making you do your
clickety clacks and you're justlike I put on my little beat
book music on repeat and I justfeel like I'm just like swimming
(39:37):
through a tunnel because I knowit and I have it and it's like
it's stuff that I have spent solong processing.
I can actually see and feelother writers like nodding their
head along here I see Leon'sface.
It's stuff that I've spent solong processing that there's no
difficulty in processing it.
Now it's literally I just haveto do the action of pouring it
(40:00):
out into the computer and in themiddle of that process.
So I've been doing that for thelast I don't know week with
this thing.
Yesterday I had to take amoment to stop.
Thankfully Destiny reminded meI had this because I would have
completely skipped right over it.
I had a meeting at one o'clockyesterday with a guy who works
(40:21):
in Hollywood.
He's in his mid 30s.
He's been working in Hollywoodfor about 10 to 12 years.
He runs a production companyand, without giving too many
descriptors because I don't wantto reveal his identity, he
wants to do this and I mean thegrand this.
(40:45):
You know what I'm saying.
He wants to be a one personcreative factory and not to say
that I am that like.
I'm actually very much, notthat because of these two
Negroes and a couple otherpeople, but, like, you know what
I'm saying, though, but youguys know what I mean right.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Are you not Negroes?
No, my dad loves calling usNegroes.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I've been referenced like that, since my dad has been
upset with me over something.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Well, you are Negroes , in fact, and so am I, but,
garland, this is not aboutNegroes.
This is about he wants to dothis job right.
But and this is to me there arelike technological hurdles to
clear and you got to learn howto write shit and you got to
learn how to do this.
This is about the mostimportant hurdle clear, and he
(41:38):
said it outright.
He said I'm scared.
I am scared of self promotion,morgan, you can't even stood in
front of this camera, right, youwere in front of this camera
for 30 seconds and when you weredone, you were like wait, so
you just like talk to the cameraand I'm like, yes, morgan,
that's why I need you to sitthere and affirm me as I do this
(41:59):
, because that is, that thing isscary.
That thing is scary.
I hate it every second of it.
It's not a person like itdoesn't laugh, it doesn't cry,
it doesn't respond.
You don't know what's going tohappen once you give yourself to
it Like it goes in there andthen like that shit is scary.
So, anyway.
(42:20):
So we had a conversation abouthis fear around self promotion
and a lot of what his fear was.
This part's important to me islike, as he put it, and I laugh
at this because someone asked meto do this and I was like I
cannot do that.
Like he was like you know, Idon't want to be doing a TikTok
(42:40):
where there's, like these imagebubbles, you know, bouncing
around my head and I'm likedoing this dance and I'm and I
somebody literally wanted me todo that and I was like I'm sorry
, I can't do it.
But he was basically saying,like it was funny, because he
was trying to.
It was it was a complexconversation because he's trying
(43:01):
to tell me I want to do whatyou do, so I admire you, but I
want to do it without being anasshole, and so he was trying to
make sure I didn't feel like hewas calling me an asshole and
that and that's the thing aboutit is that what is, in my
opinion, what is underneath ourfear of cringiness and self
(43:25):
promotion.
A lot of it is our own judgmentof other people who are doing it
, turned back on ourselves, andthat is, to me, why the game
here, if you want to beat thething, is like, it is completely
internal, like, like, and I'mstill working on it, very much,
(43:49):
still working on it, like youknow, as I'm sitting here
writing out this manifesto, I'mlike I keep finding myself going
back to the same message overand over and over again, which
is like before you amplify yourpersonality and your interest
and your ideas for other peopleto see, make sure you like
yourself first.
Make sure you think what youhave to say is interesting
(44:09):
before you just start spewing itout to people.
Make sure you think your ideasare cool for you start offering
them to others, because you aregoing to have to stand behind
them until other people thinkthe same thing that you do, or
you're going to have to findpeople who naturally think the
same thing that you do or wantwhat you are offering them.
And that brought me to at like.
(44:32):
This is.
This is why this is why I lovewriting, because 60% of what I
have written out in thisdocument is stuff that I knew.
I knew, and 40% of it is stuffthat I didn't even realize.
I knew.
You know what I mean.
Like it's it was like it isrevealing itself to me.
I found this might be the mostpoignant thing of the whole shit
(44:56):
for me.
I realized I started promotingmyself before I liked myself and
that was a dangerous place tobe because I started selling an
image of a person, I startedselling a concept of a person,
(45:18):
and sometimes in sales you cansell something before you make
it and that's okay.
You sell merch before the merchis produced, that's fine, as
long as you make good on thesale.
As a human being probablyshouldn't do that.
I was selling the idea of me assome sort of genius, some sort
of like wonderkin prodigy thingin my barber.
(45:39):
I was selling it, selling it,sold it so hard because
Hollywood is all sales, but Ididn't have like the underlying
asset to back that up, like Ididn't have like the the.
I'm just a person, like I'm not.
I'm not something differentfrom that, I'm not something
(46:01):
bigger than that, I'm notsomething like it's like the
Wizard of Oz shit.
And then I and then once I hadmade the sale and doubled down
on the sale and doubled down onit again, I my whole life became
for years until recently,became playing catch up on the
sale that I had made.
I was just trying to play catchup on the checks that I had
(46:21):
written, and so my solution tothe fear of self promotion is
just like make sure you have thething to sell before you start
selling.
That's it.
I thought it was pretty good.
That's all I got.
That's all I got on that.
I mean I have much more on it,but you have to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Where can people find it?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Very soon they'll be able to find it at a Stan shop,
in my bio.
So this is what's going tohappen.
You know what Fuck it?
Let's just use these sevenminutes I want to show because
there are people who listen tothis show and who follow, who
want to know these processes.
I just want to tell y'all whatI'm about to do.
(47:13):
I wrote this thing.
The biggest hurdle for me toclear on this thing, similar to
what I just said, was thatno-transcript.
Someone is coaching me throughhow to do this process, but I
knew I couldn't take any furthersteps on it until I wrote
something that I believed in.
That's it Like.
(47:34):
Other people do it differentand they move faster than me and
they're richer than me.
I'm sorry I cannot go to thelemonade stand with lemonade.
That is bullshit.
I just can't do it.
So I have spent and I'm notdone yet.
I gotta write it.
I gotta write this thing out,design it.
I'm gonna ask Morgan if I mayuse the Canva template to put it
(47:55):
into because it looks so pretty, but in any case, I'm making.
So this is guys.
I'm letting y'all in on someshit.
Okay, josh, you're already here.
Yeah, this is going to be adocument, a PDF, just
information.
I will then go make a standshop STAN.
(48:15):
I will drop this thing into thestand shop.
It'll be the only thing you canbuy on that stand shop.
I will then make a carousel thathas probably three or four
slides.
Titular slide will have thetitle in big, bold font.
It's gonna be something like aguide to personal branding for
(48:42):
real people.
Nobody take that title.
That's probably gonna be mytitle.
Don't take my title.
I mean, you know what I'm gonnaactually try, it's fine, I
don't care, good luck.
Good luck, like let's see whoyou know what I'm saying.
Let's see who can do thisbetter.
Then the following slides aregonna be like what I think are
(49:02):
perhaps the most poignantelements of the writing.
Right, maybe a personal storylike the one I just told, maybe
something that is somethingpeople don't know about, using
social media as an example.
Something people don't know isthat you, as a human being, are
probably literally incapable ofposting so much that the
(49:25):
algorithm deprioritizes yourcontent.
A computer could do it.
You probably can't do it,unless you are posting a hundred
things a day.
You probably cannot reach avolume that's gonna make the
thing deprioritize your content.
That's in there.
I'll make three or four slideslike that Titular slide,
carousel, boom Copy.
(49:47):
Something personal butstraightforward about exactly
what this thing is, because thisis not about me now.
This is about I talk to myaudience all day, also in the
manifesto Talk to your audienceall day.
I talk to my audience all day,every day.
I know what you all are into.
I know what you guys like.
I know what's blocking you.
(50:08):
I'm going to use your own wordsand put them back into this copy
to let you know.
This is the thing that y'allhave been looking for.
This is what you've been askingme for.
This is what I'm chargingpeople to sit one on one with me
to discuss.
But if you don't want to spendtwo or $400 to sit with me one
on one, then, like here, it isfor X amount of dollars.
(50:32):
I'm gonna say links in my bio.
I'm gonna post it.
There'll be some organic trafficfrom my following to that link.
Hopefully some percentage ofthose people will buy the thing
and it's theirs.
But also I am going to then paythe algorithm to put that thing
(50:52):
in front of as many people as Ican afford from my audience
such that or sorry, that arelike my audience such that that
traffic moves from my page orfrom that ad straight to that
website.
And then some of the people buythe thing.
And then I'm going to watch itthe way that the way that a
(51:15):
preng mantis watches a flywalking across the window sill
I'm going to watch it as thoughit is the last food I could ever
possibly eat and I'm going totinker with it meticulously
until it returns exactly what Ineeded to give me back to make
this a worthwhile endeavor.
And then, if it works, I'mgonna go make another one for
(51:37):
the other thing somebody wants.
And then I'm gonna go makeanother one, and then I'm going
to get out of this stupid assHollywood rat race and I'm gonna
go make nice things that I loveand make them available to the
world, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
That's it.
I was hoping there would be abug segment today.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
There's the bug segment.
I will be a preng mantiswatching.
You know how a preng mantiswatches, right?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
No, I don't.
That's why it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Oh a preng mantis, just like it, just like you know
, has like big eyes, big bubblyeyes, and like a fly, is like
walking across the thing andit's like watching it with its
little mantis hooks, and thenit's like you know, Okay, this
(52:23):
has been nothing but anarchy.
Thank you for joining us today.
We're gonna be outside onThursday.
It's so beautiful out, it'sgetting beautiful, so we'll see
y'all then.
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