Join us as we pull back the curtain on the unglamorous truths of career-building and life management. Then, we delve into the cultural waves made by Future and Metro Boomin's latest work and the drama between Kendrick Lamar, Drake, and J Cole. Chad the addresses Amanda Seales' comments about Black Hollywood and the theory of an idea.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
welcome back to nothing but anarchy.
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channel.
Um, all right, I'm jumpingright in.
So this is what happened.
Um, this is this.
Segment is called.
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This is what is going on inChad's life.
And what's that Creative?
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And, uh, this is like thiswhole episode today is going to
be a little bit more lifestation-y, a little bit more of
like us taking a second to talkabout thoughts and feelings and
the things that we're threadingthrough.
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As you know, we chart our ownjourneys and, for me and Morgan
sent me a clip of Kara Lawson,who is the coach of the Duke
women's basketball team.
Who is the coach of the dukewomen's basketball team the lady
blue devils, I believe they arecalled maybe for me, right now,
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there's a lot of paddling goingon right now in life.
Um, there's a lot of like Ihave to paddle.
I have to like a little duckyor something, or like a dog
doing doggies not doggy style,jesus christ, doing, um, the
doggy paddle.
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I have to like.
I, right now I'm there's abunch of plates spinning.
I'm trying to keep myself afloat, uh, because we're building all
the right things, I think.
I hope that's my thesis um, butthe building is not glamorous.
The building of it all is notfucking glamorous, and that's
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what we're going to talk about alittle bit today.
And there's like some very real, tangible life analogies to the
non-glamorous building of itall that's happening right now.
But give you an example Destinyis my assistant, morgan is
obviously Morgatron, and both ofthem are also friends and
former colleagues, and they arethe two people in my life right
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now who, in different ways, canremind me of all the things that
I haven't done yet right, canremind me of all the things that
, like I need to get done sothat things can keep moving
forward.
And because I've asked them todo that, like that's important,
I need people to remind me.
There's this list of stuff yougot to get to and if you don't
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get it done, things don't happen.
For instance, like reviewing acontract, signing said contract,
rescheduling a thing that gotrescheduled Are you booking a
ticket to do this thing?
Are you doing that thing?
Have you, have you written thisdown?
Have you put this together yet?
Are you ready to startmarketing this thing?
Are you marketing it?
Are you going to show up for it?
Like those types of things.
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And then, naturally, I have myown personal list of those
things in my head as well and,generally speaking, when I'm not
getting done the things thatare on their lists, it is
because I'm trying to prioritizewhatever feels like is the most
important thing that has to getdone, that second or else
nothing else can happen.
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And it's a weird back and forththat I think many of you can
probably relate to, where thisis the status.
This is the situation I thinkof like modern life, for let's
call it young ish to middle agedadults, right?
So I'm saying like basically 25to 49.
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It's this constant, it's likethis constant churn of you're
always doing something, you'realways processing something,
you're always the next thing isalways in your head oh, I gotta
get this done, oh, I gotta getthat done, I gotta schedule this
.
I always in your head oh, Igotta get this done, oh, I gotta
get that done, I gotta schedulethis, I gotta pay for that, I
gotta buy this, I gotta movethat.
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And at the same time you arealways being flooded with images
and noise and voices and textthat is telling you what other
people are doing.
But what it's actually tellingyou is what other people have
already done, because otherwiseit wouldn't be streaming into
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your brain.
And for me, it creates thisweird conflict of feeling like
I'm tired and like I'm doingsomething all the time, but also
feeling like, damn, damn, isanything actually happening?
Am I actually doing anything?
Is anything moving forward?
Like, is progress happening?
And part of it is that, I thinkbecause of the internet,
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because of social media and justbecause of, like, our addiction
to motion.
At this point, I find myselfconstantly taking stock of like
where I'm at at all times,constantly checking like, we can
say as metaphysical as likewhere am I at in my life, where
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am I at in my journey, where amI at geographically?
But also like, where am I at inmy career?
Where are we at on the metrics?
Where am I at on mymatriculation toward said date
of whatever the thing is,whatever, whatever, whatever.
Here's an example my book willcome out early next year, which
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means less than a year from now,which to you as the audience
and the consumer, meansbasically never.
Until I remind you, but tosomeone who has to market a book
that in a second, is going tofeel like tomorrow, in two
seconds I'll look up, it'll beJune, pre-sales will be
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available and then I will besprinting toward that date for
the following X amount of monthsand I'm excited for that, I'm
looking forward to that.
But today it's March, whichmeans today what I have to do is
like do this show.
Figure out how we're going tomake money with this show, how
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we're going to be able tocontinue to pay the bills for
the production of this show,figuring out how we're going to
grow the show, how we're goingto do other things, how we're
doing things whatever.
Here's the actual point of allof what I'm saying.
I traveled over the weekend.
I watched while traveling threescary movies the exorcist and
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insidious parts one and two.
I made it through half of parttwo.
Um, those are scary movies andI have a rule, which is that I
do not watch scary movies unlessI'm with friends or I have
Penny, my German shepherd, atthe house 80 pounds, big girl.
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And so when I got back, when Ilanded, on what day was that?
What's today?
Tuesday, what's today Tuesday?
When I landed on Sunday night, Ihad this list in my head of all
the things I was going to dowhen I got back to New York, of
all the shit I was going to getto to keep this train on the
track, to make sure that all ofMorgan's texts could be answered
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with good answers and destinies, and my own, and to get it.
And finally go back through myemail.
Look at, likegan has asked meseveral times if we've been paid
for something.
I can't even look.
I cannot look at my bankaccount until I'm emotionally
ready to deal with whatever hashit and what hasn't hit and all
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the things, all the outbombmonies as well.
Right, because there's a fewthings right now that I have to
look at and be like where's mymoney for this, where's this,
this, where's that, where's this?
And these have real I know cryme a river, but like these, have
real implications.
You guys, I know exactly howmuch money it costs to be able
to keep my life going somewhere,month over month over month
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over month.
That is the situation.
It's like some otherentrepreneurs call it making
payroll month.
That is the situation.
It's like some otherentrepreneurs call it making
payroll.
But so I was ready to do allthat shit and I knew the first
thing I was going to do when Igot back to New York was I was
going to go and pick up Pennyfrom the dog sitter, because I
watched those scary movies and Iknew I wouldn't get any sleep
if I didn't have Penny in myhouse.
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So I get home, I jump in anUber, I land at LaGuardia.
I jump in an Uber.
I get, I land at LaGuardia, Ijump in an Uber.
I get back to my house.
I go to start the car.
I take the bags inside, I go tostart the car and the car is a
brick.
It is freezing cold and the carwill not.
I can't even use the fob toopen the key to like open the
thing, because it's because thecar is dead Battery's dead.
So that means I take an Uberpet to go pick up my dog in a
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giant minivan.
It costs $100 to go pick her upand bring her back, which is
like half the cost it took justto lodge her there for those
three days.
I get back, I get a little bitof sleep because I'm still
scared.
I wake up the next day and Ihave to walk my ass to an auto
mechanic shop to buy a carbattery, walk it back.
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A car battery is very heavy.
A car battery is something thatI probably.
I probably squatted and put thecar battery down six or seven
times while walking it back fromthe auto mechanic, so I had to
switch arms with it because acar battery is heavy.
It's probably, if I had toguess, the car battery is
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probably 50 to 60 pounds.
It is very heavy.
I get it back to the car.
I watch a YouTube video of a broexplaining in 12 minutes that I
have to slow down and stop andpause.
I have to go walk and buy toolsand bring them back to the
house.
I do all this shit.
To get my old car battery outof the car and reinstall a new
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one.
It takes about an hour to anhour and a half.
Now this is probably the mostrewarding feeling that I have
felt when the car started afterI replaced the battery.
Like I, this is a point ofgrowth in my life is that
sometimes, when I hit a dead endon something that requires me
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to like slow down and learn howto do something, I will avoid it
, or I will try to go around it,or I'll try to find somebody
else to do it.
Nobody else was going to comeand do that for my car battery
Nobody else and I wanted to makeit to basketball by one o'clock
to play ball.
So I learned how to fix the car.
I learned how to change the carbattery, started.
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The car drove to the thing, butthat is all to say the last 48
hours from the time that myplane landed until this moment
have been a comedy of errors ofme not getting to actually do
any of the things I was supposedto do when I got back here, and
so now I'm two days behind.
Kara Lawson right, that's hername.
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She says and I relate to thisshe's talking to the Blue Devils
ladies basketball team, whichare who are currently in the
NCAA tournament, which is agreat analogy for this.
She's talking to them.
She's giving a speech in thisclip that Morgan shared with me
and she's saying to them collegekids right, they're probably
between 19 and 22.
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They probably think life isreally hard right now.
Right, they're in there.
They're probably between 19 and22.
They probably think life isreally hard right now.
Right, they're like oh, I gotto fucking work out every day.
The opponent is tough.
One of my teammates doesn'tlike me.
The guy that I'm dating isbeing an asshole.
I got to figure out what's upwith my.
I got to figure out if I'mgoing to go into transfer portal
next year.
Oh, my God, I'm 20.
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Life is so fucking stressful.
I don't have any NIL dealscoming in, whatever.
Whatever.
Life is so stressful.
And Kara Lawson, who is, as Isee her in this clip as serious
as a heart attack.
She really wants them to getthis message to digest it them.
We as human beings areconstantly.
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We are living life, waiting forand looking for that moment
where we're going to turn acorner, feel relief and life is
going to get easier, like, oh,when I just get this job and
these benefits, life's going toget easier.
Oh, when I fucking sell this TVseries, I'm going to be fast
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tracked and then I'm going toand life's going to be easier.
Oh man, when I get in thisrelationship, my life's going to
be easier.
When I get out of thisrelationship, my life's going to
be easier.
When my kids get to X grade andthey're not doing blah, blah,
blah anymore, life's going toget easier.
And it's one one of those.
It's like one of those things.
I'm watching it and I'm likeoof, this is one of those
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messages where you know it'strue.
As the words are coming out ofher mouth, you almost don't want
to hear it, because I think, tosome extent, that hope, that
like when I just do x, life'sgonna be easier I think we like
that is the hope that sometimesgets us through is that if I can
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just power through to this date.
Everything is going to berelief after that.
She is dispelling that myth in away that you have to do If you
care about somebody, like, youhave to do it.
You have to say it to somebodyIf you see them living under the
precept or the pretense thatthat's what is the case.
But when I hear her say it, I'mlike she's right, she's right,
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I do the thing where I wiremyself.
That's why I avoid, like,that's why I don't just bite the
bullet and do.
The thing is because I'm likeman, if I can just make it to
blank date, this check will hitand then I can just pay for
somebody to do blah, blah, blah.
Oh man, when I just get thisbook out, then I'll have X
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amount of an audience or Xamount of a following and I
won't have to do these jobsanymore.
Whatever, whatever.
But like she's right, it's nottrue.
But her message is and this isthe part that's hopeful to me is
it's like life doesn't geteasier, but you get better at
handling harder things.
That is true.
That is true, chatty.
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You do get better at handlingharder things.
You, chatty, have probably hadyour hardest year of life Like
to this, this last calendar yearhas probably been your most
difficult year of life.
Like to this, these lastcalendar year has probably been
your most difficult year of lifeand yet, like, you're still
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going, it's still happening,it's still growing every now and
then you get a moment, you getlike a little glimpse of that
good thing that you want tohappen is happening.
Like this is your life, it'shappening.
So I don't know, I needed togive myself a motivation, like
like drake, I needed to givemyself a motivational speech
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right now, because I justcouldn't believe that that was
what.
Like I didn't know, I didn'tknow that the car was dead.
That's crazy.
Like I was just living my lifenot knowing that when I got to
my car at 10 o'clock pm on aSunday in the freezing cold,
that the car was not going tostart.
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I didn't know that.
But like I didn't fucking, Ididn't crouch in a corner and
cry, I didn't panic, I didn'tknow that.
But like I didn't fucking, Ididn't crouch in a corner and
cry, I didn't panic, I didn'tlike yell at anybody there's
nobody to yell at.
I just went and fucking, got ina minivan and picked up my dog.
So all right, this is nothingbut anarchy.
Okay, we're going to squeeze afew things in here.
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We're gonna squeeze a fewthings in here.
We're gonna talk about um jcole drake.
Uh, we might talk about amandaseals um, yes, those are all
three mixed people, but that isnot the point of this segment.
We're also going to talk aboutthe theory of an idea, which is
morgan's segment, which I'm veryexcited to see how morgan's
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going to set this up.
But let's just start right here.
Let's just start here becausewe do this show on Tuesdays and
Thursdays.
Music drops on Fridays, whichmeans or Thursdays, which means
we don't get to come in withinstant response to the music,
but sometimes I think that's OKbecause it has to, has to sit
for a little bit, all right.
So Future and Metro boomingFuture 40-year-old, metro,
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30-year-old.
They're like us, morgan.
Ten years apart, a dynamic duo,ten years apart, they dropped
an album on Friday called weDon't Trust you and, unless you
are a future listener, I couldgive you guys a review of like
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the album as music, but I don't.
I know that's not.
This is where we are.
This is where we are in society.
The review of the albummusically is unimportant,
because an album at this pointis just just a package of songs.
That's it.
It's not a story with a throughline.
It's just a package of songsthat people literally will take
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and put them in different orderon their own playlists, and
that's fine, honestly.
That's fine Because what isimportant here is that Future
and Metro Boomin shout out tomorehouse college.
Metro boomin went to morehouse,has a scholarship at morehouse
in his name.
Um, they are collaborators ofmany years, probably over a
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decade.
At this point they have put out, um, some very, I think, very
important music culturally andthe importance that I would
speak to is just like big asshits, big songs.
Big songs that you will hear ata sporting arena.
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Big songs you will hear at aclub.
Big songs you will hear in yourfriend's car.
Big songs you will hear at thebeach.
Big songs you will hear at astrip club.
Big songs you will hear in yourfriend's car.
Big songs you will hear at thebeach.
Big songs you will hear at astrip club.
Big songs you will hear at ahookah bar.
Big songs that you will hearwhen people are in their most
visceral, when people are likeliving out of their fingertips
and not in their head.
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That's where you will heartheir music, and that makes it
important to me.
Now I have a challengedconnection to futures music.
At this point I am.
This is what I'm going throughright now.
I'm 36, I am obviously a blackmale and I don't want the life
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that the most of thespecifically rappers of my same
makeup are at least projectingthat they have.
I don't want a life likefuture's life.
I don't want a life likeFuture's life.
I don't want a life likeDrake's life.
I don't want a life like whatit looks like is their life, and
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that's a strain on me, becausepart of what they're presenting
to have in their life.
I'll give an example, especiallyFuture.
Future goes all the way in onit.
Drake actually goes all the wayin on it too, but just with a
different tone and skincomplexion that makes people
treat it differently.
But they're projecting a lifefull of drugs, sex, travel,
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money, jewelry, gluttony lust,slavery, gluttony lust.
Like coolness, clothes, cars,like we've been like rinse
repeat we've been doing this for50 years now in hip-hop and all
of those things are things thatlike that's easy candy to show
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somebody like that is some ofthose things I truly do not give
a damn about no cool clotheslike that, but other things,
that they have.
Cool life, what a cool life.
But I sit with it for literallyone and a half seconds and my
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next thought on it is oh my god,I'm terrified of how future, of
what future, might feel if hesat with himself and didn't
inhale or snort or ingestanything to make the feelings go
away.
I'm scared of those.
Right, I don't even drinkbecause I don't like how I feel
after I drink right now, whichis like after I drink I'm like I
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can't do anything, I can'tthink straight, I can't like I
said stuff that I don't, thatreally didn't come from where I
wanted to come from, et cetera,et cetera, et cetera.
So there's a level of liketension that I feel with these
characters and the life thatthey're living in general, or
the life that they're displaying, because I can't speak to the
life that they're living.
I have no sense of everythingthat it takes to keep a creative
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career on the rails.
I bet they don't have that muchtime for some of the shit that
they be acting like.
They're up to all the time,like little Wayne made.
He said this in an interview,maybe like 10 years ago where he
was like I'm paraphrasing allthat shit that I'd be talking
about, that I do in my raps andall that stuff.
I don't have time for any ofthat.
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I'm rapping all day.
Every day I'm writing and I'mrapping and I'm recording and
I'm listening to my own musicback over and over and over and
over again.
I don't have time for anythingelse.
That's what he says.
So, anyway, but the point ofwhat I'm saying here is there's
a part of me that when a futurealbum comes out, I am so excited
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and enthusiastic to hear it.
And then there's a part of meright next to that part that's
like avoidant.
It's like there's a resistanceto it, because I know what I'm
about to put into my brain.
It's gonna hurt a little bit.
Honestly, it's gonna hurt alittle bit.
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It's gonna hurt a little bitbecause I feel scared for this
person.
Damn, I sound old as fuck.
It's gonna hurt a little bitbecause it makes me feel sad
about the relationship betweenmen and women.
It's gonna hurt a little bitbecause drugs it's gonna hurt
about the relationship betweenmen and women.
It's going to hurt a little bitbecause drugs it's going to
hurt and and yet.
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So I listened to it.
There's only one song for us totalk about.
Obviously, there's some othertracks that I like, but there's
only one song for us to talkabout.
It is the song called Like that, which has a phenomenal hook by
Future On its own.
Just the production andFuture's hook and the vibe of
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the song, even without KendrickLamar's Drake diss J Cole diss
verse, stands alone.
It stands alone.
I think it would be the besttrack on the album even without
his verse.
But there's a Kendrick versewhich came as a surprise to
basically everybody.
That Kendrick was even on thisalbum, that Kendrick is even
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recording right now.
And it is Kendrick saying and Iwill paraphrase again because
you can listen to it yourself,and I think legally I'm only
allowed to read three lines ofsomebody's music, but at least
that's the case for publishingin books.
But anyway, he is saying in somany words Drake J Cole, you
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guys are trying to do thislittle thing where you're like
you're mobbed up right now andyou're hanging out and you're
performing together and whatever, whatever, and you're acting
like there's a big three andit's y'all, two and it's me, and
we're kind of like all on thesame platform, same pedestal,
whatever.
But no, it's not.
That, it's me, me, it is me.
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And even if you two conjoinlike twins, you cannot.
You guys are not better than me.
That that's what he's saying,and what's coming out of him,
even aside from the words, islike there's like energy coming
out of him.
There's like, um, he's doing avoice.
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You know, kendrick does all hisKendrick voices and shit.
He's kind of doing one of thosevoices, but he's, he's talking.
He's talking violently, he'stalking competitively, he's
talking directly.
I mean, he doesn't say theirnames, but he might as well be
doing so because he's talkingabout songs they've done
together.
He's talking about albums ofeach of theirs and he's just
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right at them.
And I listened to it and I goton my face a big smile.
I felt so happy when I heard it.
I felt so happy because fromthe from inception, I have felt
like this drake j cole alliance,drake J Cole Alliance, is fake
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and corny and silly andunserious and like and I don't,
I don't get it.
It's like it's almost like arap version of, like Kevin
Durant and Stephen Curry, butmore ridiculous.
Like I already didn't like it,I already don't feel like Drake
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can be trusted as an ally forbasically anybody, and a part of
that is like now, looking atthe list of people who are
former Drake collaborators, whoare probably not on speaking
terms with Drake, which includesKanye West, rihanna, a$ap,
rocky Future, metro, boomin,kendrick Lamar I'm forgetting
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somebody that I had written downyesterday.
Whatever, I already just feellike Drake cannot be trusted,
but I think to me, I think thecheesiest thing in the world is
like two people who know inearnest that they are in
competition, pretending to be inallyship, and that what I see
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between drake and j cole and Iwas happy to see kendrick poke
his head out like a little demonwith the and just and just jump
right in there and say you guysare ass.
And now and now we're gonna dothe thing.
Now we're gonna do the thingthat is real.
We're gonna do the thing now.
We're gonna do the thing thatis real.
We're gonna do a thing that'shonest, which is that we don't
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like each other.
Let's compete, let's battle,let's do it.
I've had a thing aboutcompetition.
I've had a difficultrelationship with competition my
entire life because I'm acompetitive person.
But being a competitive personis not the thing that's actually
been difficult for me.
The thing that's been difficultfor me is we have layered rules
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on top of when competition isrequired, when competition is
celebrated, when competition isunallowed unallowed, for example
, boy as I.
I'm just going to stop here andjust say, as I start marketing
for this next book, I'm going tosay a lot of things that are
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going to occur as problematic tothe allowed black rhetoric, and
this is going to be one of them.
We ask rhetoric, and this isgoing to be one of them.
We ask our black people,especially the publicly facing
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ones.
We ask of us that we all arelike in some sort of connected,
conjoined grouping where we'reall marching together for the
same cause.
That is not fair to us.
Like that is not.
That is not giving us the fullrange of human dimension.
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One of the ranges of humandimension is to feel that person
is swerving too close to mylane.
Is to feel that person isswerving too close to my lane
I'm going to bumper cars, pushthat person back where they're
supposed to be, which is notover here.
That's just.
That just happens societally.
That is a cultural, biologicaltrait.
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Okay, you feel somebody who istoo close to your little shack
and you push them out, get outof my shack.
That's like.
That's just what happens, Iknow.
Is it nice, is it kind, is itprincipled?
Does it follow the religioustenets?
Of course not, but it is solike that is a part of the human
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experience.
That is a part of the humanexperience.
And so when we say, forinstance, when we capture
everything in the bottle of,like crabs in a barrel, black
men pulling each other down,black people like don't black,
you know, people throw thisthing on us.
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Black people don't know how tocollaborate.
Black people are alwaysfighting to be the one, the
token, the whatever.
That is not what's occurringhere.
This is rap.
This is these are media titans.
I'm reading a book called BurnBook by Kara Swisher.
It details the intimate historyof the people who pioneered
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Silicon Valley Jeff Bezos, markZuckerberg, mark Andreessen I
forgot his name, but the formerCEO of Uber who got pushed out,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,et cetera, right, pushed out,
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etc, etc, etc, right.
And a part of her telling, asshe knows these people
incredibly well, is telling thestory of like this is capitalism
.
These are capitalists.
They are going to try to devoureach other.
That's a part of what'shappening here.
That's a part of the game.
The game board is set up thatway.
That's what these guys aredoing.
That's what this is.
This is capitalism.
Let them do their game like.
Let them do their like.
(31:02):
Let Kendrick come in here andsay we're not buddies, we're not
friends.
They're not supposed to be.
It's a competition.
Okay, anyway.
So I like the song.
Go listen to the song.
I hope that Drake responds.
Drake, you have until Saturdayto respond.
That is as long as we're givingyou, because Beyonce's album
comes out on Friday and if youhide behind Beyonce's album,
(31:25):
that's bad.
Morgan, you're going to set upthe theory of an idea.
Morgan.
Sean texted me.
She said I heard this thingthat I thought was very
interesting.
It's the theory of an idea.
Morgan, can you please set itup for us so we can discuss it?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Sure.
So I was at this like groupcreative thing yesterday and
this girl that I'm friends withwas talking about this idea she
had for this like children'sbook thing, and this other girl
that she knew said, well, youknow how I feel about ideas, and
I was like that's a weird thingto say Like what do you?
(32:00):
what do you mean by that?
She's like well, I read thisthing one time that was saying
that ideas are like energy.
And it's like an idea comes toyou, it's like choosing you as a
host for it and if you choosenot to do anything with it, then
that energy will go elsewhereand somebody else will make that
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idea happen, like turn it intoa reality.
And she talked about this womanwho had this idea for whatever.
She hugged somebody.
She never told her.
This idea hugged this person atan event, saw that person maybe
two years later and that personhad exactly gone out and done
this thing that she had beenmarinating on.
And she's like, wow, it's crazy.
And she had never done anythingwith it.
(32:44):
And I thought that was a reallyinteresting concept, because
I've always heard like you can'tsteal an idea, yes, but
thinking of it as energy was wasjust interesting yes, also, I
believe this counts as a g, as agen z segment.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
um, yes, I agree with this point of view.
I agree that a genius is aperson who like open to trying a
crazy idea and executing.
And I think, okay.
(33:23):
So brief, story-ish kind ofthing, the beginning of this
path that I'm on, whatever it is, I was starting to write TV
pilots and screenplays and stuffand, morgan, you probably
encountered this to a degree.
There's a lot of fear, I think,for especially writers early in
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their careers, around howthey're going to protect their
ideas, how they're going toprotect their precious TV series
idea, their screenplay, theirpilot, whatever.
And I felt this, I felt thisfeeling that my ideas, my ideas,
the ideas were so precious andthey were so unique and they
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were so spectacular.
And if anybody got a hold of myprecious ideas and went off and
made my thing without me, howbroken I would feel and how sad
and how like, what a, what a,what a terrible, what a terrible
fate to befall me if myprecious ideas somehow got out
(34:32):
the process of protecting myideas by registering everything
with the Writers Guild andputting things in Google Docs
with encrypted passwords and nottelling my friends you know
friends would ask me like, oh,what are you working on?
And I would give them some.
I see it right now a writer,early in their career, or you
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know, honestly, even a 50 yearold who has like an idea for
something, who's never madeanything creative, but like they
want to.
You know, it's a dream sort ofin their heads.
I don't know if they want to,but it's a dream.
And I'll ask them like, oh,what's up with the thing?
What's the blah, blah, blah?
And I can feel them beingcryptic about it.
Like I can feel them being alittle bit evasive about it.
(35:15):
And I know part of it is thatthey believe their thing is
precious and they're looking atme as someone who might have the
wherewithal to go and executeon their idea without them.
And the truth is, to me, ifsomeone else can execute your
idea without you, you don'tactually have autorial ownership
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over that idea.
Like the idea has probablyalready hit other people and
inspired them, but like ifyou're just sitting on it, it's
it's not yours until you.
It's that it's just an idea,it's nowhere.
Like it's not yours until youstart to put the path down in
front of you.
Like it's not yours until I.
(36:04):
I feel this way I've said itbefore but like I get frustrated
with the, with the brazen,bodacious fearfulness of people
who call themselves or considerthemselves to be, like ideas.
People Like, oh, I'm an ideasperson, oh, like I'm a
(36:28):
strategist person.
Like I'm like it's like itfeels so, both at the same time
fearful and self-aggrandizing.
To be like my job is just tothink and other people's jobs
are to go out there and trythings, experiment, fail, run
(36:50):
into a wall, trying the thingsthat I have so beautifully
thought through.
And I don't actually thinkthose people ever get the glory
in life that they have built upfor themselves in their heads.
Because, like we want to seesomebody's walk, like we want to
see the idea is useless.
(37:10):
We want to see somebody get outthere and push that shit and
see what happens to them.
Like I feel inspired by theperson who is willing to go and
look like an idiot, putting onefoot in front of the other on
something that was just an idea.
Because the thing that happensis, once you start building on
your idea, you need another idea.
(37:32):
You need another idea.
You need another idea.
Like we started down the pathwith this show a year ago as a
freaking sports show on AMP andI was sitting in that couch and
the camera was pointed that way.
Was there even a camera in thebeginning?
I don't remember.
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
There was a camera in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
There was never not a camera, but they couldn see you
in in real time gotcha, okay,okay, so they could see me, they
could see the clips.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, yeah, right, yes, there was always a camera,
yes, but I'm.
But here's the point.
The point is like the ideas arelike I have a iphone notes app
full of the shit that comes upin a day because they're like
logs in a fire.
I just have to keep throwingthem in there, throwing them in
(38:21):
there, throwing them in there.
Later today I will, or tomorrow,or something I will post like a
short video of me and Alex, whoyou've met before, like in his
studio messing with some, likemessing with some, like messing
with some um synthesizer boardsand like a microphone and just
like, kind of like just playingaround trying to make something
(38:46):
and like that won't be anythingunless we do that a hundred
times until it becomes something.
And so I actually think this issort of a message to the early
20s to mid 30s crowd of but notjust them, but like crowd of us,
(39:08):
sort of like, well, I'm not inthat crowd and we're shit, but
like the crowd of people withbig dreams who are mostly
sitting with and talking aboutthose dreams all the time um,
you can't, you're not allowed tobe, but you will be, but you're
not allowed to be mad andjealous and spiteful of the
(39:29):
people in your community and inyour circle who are gonna go out
and like do the shit, becauseit's sitting right there.
It's sitting right there foryou to do it.
Okay, morgan, what else did youthink was interesting about
this theory of ideas?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Um, just that, the way she was talking about ideas
was very like it's not yours,like, unless you make it yours
Otherwise.
It's kind of like this gift,like this like energy gift that
can go to anybody, but it showsyou, and whether you take
responsibility to do somethingwith it is one thing, otherwise
(40:05):
it just goes away.
Or, like somebody, it goes tosomebody who will do something
with it.
I just had never heard someoneexplain it like that.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And it will leave you like it.
It like that, I just, and itwill leave you like it it will
that you know that feeling whereyou like you're writing
something or you're makingsomething, and then you get up
and leave it and sometimes whenyou come back you get better
energy for it.
But, like, sometimes you comeback and you're like this is not
something.
I don't even know what I wasexcited about here, because your
(40:34):
whole, your whole life haschanged around you and you're
not the same anymore and so,like it is, it does, it does
belong to somebody else now,because if you stay open to
(41:01):
ideas, they can pass through youand you can give them to other
people generously.
There are really accomplishedpeople who talk about how freely
they will give away ideasbecause they know they're not
the person to execute them.
But that sort of that that free, generous, like offering to
(41:24):
make sure somebody else can haveit if it's a good one, I think
leaves you open to the next goodone that's supposed to pass
through you.
And I think that's what we'resupposed to be doing as creative
people is like we're supposedto be creating a network of
these good ideas.
We're supposed to be creating anetwork such that the things
(41:45):
actually get done over time.
Okay, in 90 seconds I am justgoing to respond to this Amanda
Seals thing, because we nevergot to it before.
Amanda Seals says of acceptance, in quote unquote black
Hollywood I don't get invited toessence women in Hollywood.
I've never been invited to theNAACP image awards.
I've been.
I've been nominated for animage award.
(42:06):
Never been invited to the NAACPimage awards.
Never been honored at BlackGirls Rock.
Like I've hosted these events.
I literally hosted the BETAwards in 2020 at my fucking
house and I was not invited tothe bet awards since.
Okay, first thing, that lastsentence is extremely confusing
to me and I don't understandwhat it means.
Did she literally wait 2020?
(42:28):
Like the pandemic, she hostedthe awards at her house.
What does that mean?
Also, okay, I gotta say it,fuck it.
I gotta say it.
I'm glad we, I'm glad westopped here.
Maybe we'll do j-lo on thursdaywith charlotte, but like, is it
just me?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I only know amanda seals from insecure she's been
like a actor for like a longtime well.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I only know her from insecure and from people talking
about her on the internet andseeing her face on the internet
like is what's the other?
Is there another out there?
You guys, I'm sure someone willfeel a way about this am I
supposed to know amanda sealsfrom something else?
And I guess this is a perfectopportunity for me to talk about
(43:11):
black hollywood, which is whatI have done many times here.
But like so here, here's onething about black Hollywood it
is quite literally ageographical region.
It is not like black Hollywooddoes not extend to you If you
live in, for instance, new Yorkcity, washington DC, another
(43:33):
country like black Hollywood isliterally a reference to the
black people that live overthere and not actually even in
hollywood pretty much any ofthem.
But like it is, it is a circleand a context and a tone and a
internet pathology.
(43:54):
It is a region of people whoare like an interconnected
community of folks that helpeach other, get jobs, go to
brunch together and work inHollywood, and there's a
hierarchy that I do notcompletely understand or connect
to.
There is a way of being that Ido not completely understand or
(44:17):
connect to, but as far as I cantell most of the people who are
in.
I mean, I know some people verywell.
I have some great friends whoare a part of that particular
community and they don't love it.
A lot of them feel lonely andisolated.
A lot of them feel like they'renot a part of something at all
and I guess in that way, some ofthem probably feel how Amanda
(44:40):
Seals feels, which is like ifthis is supposed to be a thing
that encompasses all of us orthat, you know, make gives us a
place to be included, certainlyI, as someone who has had a
career in this business I guessAmanda Seals is probably in her
forties, she's probably beendoing this for 20 years or so
Like, certainly I should beinvited to the cookout if
(45:02):
anybody.
But it goes back to the thing.
That is the thing which is,like most communities around
Hollywood are centered aroundwho has a budget.
When the NAACP awards come up,someone produces that show when
(45:22):
the BET awards come up.
I've been to the BET awards.
I sat in the second to verylast row, right next, right
behind Rudy Gobert.
He's the biggest person onearth.
When the BET awards come up,someone has a budget to produce
that show.
Someone has a budget to producethat show.
That means money decisions aremade.
That means like a wedding,seating arrangements are made,
(45:44):
sponsors get involved, tv seriesand movies and producers and
studios say I want my personthere.
Agencies say I want my personthere, there, there, there,
there.
There's trading that happens,there's bartering that's
happening and I think AmandaSeals probably knows as well as
anybody and this is probably hermaking her plea so that it
(46:06):
doesn't go this way againagainst her favor.
But, like she probably knows aswell as anybody, those
decisions are made as trades.
It's not about it's's, I mean,it's kind of about quote unquote
, who likes who.
But like it's really just aboutlike who owes who a back
scratch or who wants a backscratch from who later on in the
future.
And so in that regard, to getour seats, amanda seals is
(46:30):
probably gonna have to.
I know amanda seals can ask theright person and get her seats
at the bet awards.
I know that she can.
I know that she can, I can dothat, a lot of people can do
that.
Just ask the right person.
I don't know that you need tomake a public plea of it, but if
you do, I'm not even mad,because I feel the same way
about Black Hollywood that youdo Not, that I feel.
I guess I feel excluded from it, even though I haven't asked
(46:51):
for entry, but like, let's namethis what it is it's like a for
profit.
It's like a for profit entityof bartering and trading and
paying for favors.
It is not a bunch of peoplesitting at the same cafeteria
table, okay.
Lastly, jlo.
(47:12):
We're going to go through thisvery quickly, morgan, in 90
seconds or less.
Can you tell us why are peoplemaking fun of JLo?
We're going to go through thisvery quickly, morgan, in 90
seconds or less.
Can you tell us?
Why are people making fun ofJLo.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Okay, my TikTok has been filled with JLo slander.
That is basically peoplestitching together the
commentary on a recent— Herdocumentary came out and in it
she's in her home home gym.
It looks like with like herhair out naturally and she's
(47:40):
talking about how she loveswearing her hair like this.
It reminds her when she waslike running up and down the
block when she was 16 in thebronx and people are just like I
don't know.
I I don't know the deep historyof her relationship to the
bronx, but from the gist of it Ican gather she hasn't been
super present and so peoplecurrently living in the Bronx
(48:02):
call her out a lot forconstantly bringing up the Bronx
because she is a millionaireand they think she brings it up
to be quote-unquote relatableand they make fun of that.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
That's it.
She's doing marketing.
Marketing needs a story.
As I have started to thinkthrough how I'm going to market
my book, this is the thing thathappens.
I don't know why JLo was doingthis interview about her bodega
(48:35):
order.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh, that was a couple of years ago.
It was like a 20 questionsthing.
They asked her.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
There you go, but JLo will not be doing any
interviews that are not meant tosell something, and selling and
marketing requires you have totell a story, and it's not
interesting if you just say, man, I've been living in West
Hollywood for the last 30 yearslike, and I'm rich as hell and
I've been living with BenAffleck and Alex Rodriguez, so,
like, I never go to the bodega,I only eat, you know, vegan
(49:04):
bacon, egg and cheese from.
I don't know John and Vinny's,but the John and Vinny's doesn't
have bacon, egg and cheese,especially not vegan.
But I'm just mashing LosAngeles things together.
Okay, the point of what I wantto say here is like I'm learning
a new part of the game.
Maybe it's an obvious part tosome of you, but this is new to
(49:27):
me.
It's new to me wrapping my headaround it.
You make something to be onething.
You title it to signal to thepeople what you think they want
to try.
You tell a story to signal tothe people what you think will
make them, give it a chance.
(49:49):
Those are three differentthings what you made, what you
call it and what you tell peopleabout it are three different
things.
In my opinion, to haveintegrity.
They should all be true, butthat doesn't mean they all have
to align.
That doesn't mean they all haveto be the same.
Like I'm now thinking about, howam I going to market this book?
(50:10):
It has this title.
It is actually about thesethings, but I got to tell people
a story that makes them feellike it is the thing that they
want to pick up and open.
And JLo has to do that too tous common folk, which means she
has to pretend like sheremembers eating bacon, egg and
cheese in the Bronx.
(50:31):
Also, I have lived in New Yorkfor 13 years.
I think I've been to the Bronxmaybe five times.
Is Fordham in the Bronx?
Yeah, so you've lived in theBronx?
What's your bodega order?
Bronx woman.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Oh, I am a bacon, egg and cheese person.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Well, this has been Nothing but Anarchy.
Thank you.
We will see you guys onThursday.
Oh no, we won't, because we'regoing to be outside in the world
somewhere, but we will.
Oh no, we won't, because we'regoing to be outside in the world
somewhere, but you can download.
Any way that you get podcasts.
Go like and subscribe us onYouTube.
We will see you guys next time.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Thanks for watching.
welcome back to nothing but anarchy.
Here's what I was gonna say.
What was I gonna say?
I don't know, I'm lost like andsubscribe to our youtube
channel.
Um, all right, I'm jumpingright in.
So this is what happened.
Um, this is this.
Segment is called.
Segment is called.
This is what is going on inChad's life.
And what's that Creative?
(00:29):
And, uh, this is like thiswhole episode today is going to
be a little bit more lifestation-y, a little bit more of
like us taking a second to talkabout thoughts and feelings and
the things that we're threadingthrough.
(00:49):
As you know, we chart our ownjourneys and, for me and Morgan
sent me a clip of Kara Lawson,who is the coach of the Duke
women's basketball team.
Who is the coach of the dukewomen's basketball team the lady
blue devils, I believe they arecalled maybe for me, right now,
(01:10):
there's a lot of paddling goingon right now in life.
Um, there's a lot of like Ihave to paddle.
I have to like a little duckyor something, or like a dog
doing doggies not doggy style,jesus christ, doing, um, the
doggy paddle.
(01:31):
I have to like.
I, right now I'm there's abunch of plates spinning.
I'm trying to keep myself afloat, uh, because we're building all
the right things, I think.
I hope that's my thesis um, butthe building is not glamorous.
The building of it all is notfucking glamorous, and that's
(01:54):
what we're going to talk about alittle bit today.
And there's like some very real, tangible life analogies to the
non-glamorous building of itall that's happening right now.
But give you an example Destinyis my assistant, morgan is
obviously Morgatron, and both ofthem are also friends and
former colleagues, and they arethe two people in my life right
(02:18):
now who, in different ways, canremind me of all the things that
I haven't done yet right, canremind me of all the things that
, like I need to get done sothat things can keep moving
forward.
And because I've asked them todo that, like that's important,
I need people to remind me.
There's this list of stuff yougot to get to and if you don't
(02:42):
get it done, things don't happen.
For instance, like reviewing acontract, signing said contract,
rescheduling a thing that gotrescheduled Are you booking a
ticket to do this thing?
Are you doing that thing?
Have you, have you written thisdown?
Have you put this together yet?
Are you ready to startmarketing this thing?
Are you marketing it?
Are you going to show up for it?
Like those types of things.
(03:03):
And then, naturally, I have myown personal list of those
things in my head as well and,generally speaking, when I'm not
getting done the things thatare on their lists, it is
because I'm trying to prioritizewhatever feels like is the most
important thing that has to getdone, that second or else
nothing else can happen.
(03:25):
And it's a weird back and forththat I think many of you can
probably relate to, where thisis the status.
This is the situation I thinkof like modern life, for let's
call it young ish to middle agedadults, right?
So I'm saying like basically 25to 49.
(03:48):
It's this constant, it's likethis constant churn of you're
always doing something, you'realways processing something,
you're always the next thing isalways in your head oh, I gotta
get this done, oh, I gotta getthat done, I gotta schedule this
.
I always in your head oh, Igotta get this done, oh, I gotta
get that done, I gotta schedulethis, I gotta pay for that, I
gotta buy this, I gotta movethat.
(04:11):
And at the same time you arealways being flooded with images
and noise and voices and textthat is telling you what other
people are doing.
But what it's actually tellingyou is what other people have
already done, because otherwiseit wouldn't be streaming into
(04:31):
your brain.
And for me, it creates thisweird conflict of feeling like
I'm tired and like I'm doingsomething all the time, but also
feeling like, damn, damn, isanything actually happening?
Am I actually doing anything?
Is anything moving forward?
Like, is progress happening?
And part of it is that, I thinkbecause of the internet,
(04:55):
because of social media and justbecause of, like, our addiction
to motion.
At this point, I find myselfconstantly taking stock of like
where I'm at at all times,constantly checking like, we can
say as metaphysical as likewhere am I at in my life, where
(05:16):
am I at in my journey, where amI at geographically?
But also like, where am I at inmy career?
Where are we at on the metrics?
Where am I at on mymatriculation toward said date
of whatever the thing is,whatever, whatever, whatever.
Here's an example my book willcome out early next year, which
(05:39):
means less than a year from now,which to you as the audience
and the consumer, meansbasically never.
Until I remind you, but tosomeone who has to market a book
that in a second, is going tofeel like tomorrow, in two
seconds I'll look up, it'll beJune, pre-sales will be
(05:59):
available and then I will besprinting toward that date for
the following X amount of monthsand I'm excited for that, I'm
looking forward to that.
But today it's March, whichmeans today what I have to do is
like do this show.
Figure out how we're going tomake money with this show, how
(06:28):
we're going to be able tocontinue to pay the bills for
the production of this show,figuring out how we're going to
grow the show, how we're goingto do other things, how we're
doing things whatever.
Here's the actual point of allof what I'm saying.
I traveled over the weekend.
I watched while traveling threescary movies the exorcist and
(06:52):
insidious parts one and two.
I made it through half of parttwo.
Um, those are scary movies andI have a rule, which is that I
do not watch scary movies unlessI'm with friends or I have
Penny, my German shepherd, atthe house 80 pounds, big girl.
(07:13):
And so when I got back, when Ilanded, on what day was that?
What's today?
Tuesday, what's today Tuesday?
When I landed on Sunday night, Ihad this list in my head of all
the things I was going to dowhen I got back to New York, of
all the shit I was going to getto to keep this train on the
track, to make sure that all ofMorgan's texts could be answered
(07:36):
with good answers and destinies, and my own, and to get it.
And finally go back through myemail.
Look at, likegan has asked meseveral times if we've been paid
for something.
I can't even look.
I cannot look at my bankaccount until I'm emotionally
ready to deal with whatever hashit and what hasn't hit and all
(07:57):
the things, all the outbombmonies as well.
Right, because there's a fewthings right now that I have to
look at and be like where's mymoney for this, where's this,
this, where's that, where's this?
And these have real I know cryme a river, but like these, have
real implications.
You guys, I know exactly howmuch money it costs to be able
to keep my life going somewhere,month over month over month
(08:19):
over month.
That is the situation.
It's like some otherentrepreneurs call it making
payroll month.
That is the situation.
It's like some otherentrepreneurs call it making
payroll.
But so I was ready to do allthat shit and I knew the first
thing I was going to do when Igot back to New York was I was
going to go and pick up Pennyfrom the dog sitter, because I
watched those scary movies and Iknew I wouldn't get any sleep
if I didn't have Penny in myhouse.
(08:41):
So I get home, I jump in anUber, I land at LaGuardia.
I jump in an Uber.
I get, I land at LaGuardia, Ijump in an Uber.
I get back to my house.
I go to start the car.
I take the bags inside, I go tostart the car and the car is a
brick.
It is freezing cold and the carwill not.
I can't even use the fob toopen the key to like open the
thing, because it's because thecar is dead Battery's dead.
So that means I take an Uberpet to go pick up my dog in a
(09:08):
giant minivan.
It costs $100 to go pick her upand bring her back, which is
like half the cost it took justto lodge her there for those
three days.
I get back, I get a little bitof sleep because I'm still
scared.
I wake up the next day and Ihave to walk my ass to an auto
mechanic shop to buy a carbattery, walk it back.
(09:30):
A car battery is very heavy.
A car battery is something thatI probably.
I probably squatted and put thecar battery down six or seven
times while walking it back fromthe auto mechanic, so I had to
switch arms with it because acar battery is heavy.
It's probably, if I had toguess, the car battery is
(09:51):
probably 50 to 60 pounds.
It is very heavy.
I get it back to the car.
I watch a YouTube video of a broexplaining in 12 minutes that I
have to slow down and stop andpause.
I have to go walk and buy toolsand bring them back to the
house.
I do all this shit.
To get my old car battery outof the car and reinstall a new
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one.
It takes about an hour to anhour and a half.
Now this is probably the mostrewarding feeling that I have
felt when the car started afterI replaced the battery.
Like I, this is a point ofgrowth in my life is that
sometimes, when I hit a dead endon something that requires me
(10:37):
to like slow down and learn howto do something, I will avoid it
, or I will try to go around it,or I'll try to find somebody
else to do it.
Nobody else was going to comeand do that for my car battery
Nobody else and I wanted to makeit to basketball by one o'clock
to play ball.
So I learned how to fix the car.
I learned how to change the carbattery, started.
(10:58):
The car drove to the thing, butthat is all to say the last 48
hours from the time that myplane landed until this moment
have been a comedy of errors ofme not getting to actually do
any of the things I was supposedto do when I got back here, and
so now I'm two days behind.
Kara Lawson right, that's hername.
(11:23):
She says and I relate to thisshe's talking to the Blue Devils
ladies basketball team, whichare who are currently in the
NCAA tournament, which is agreat analogy for this.
She's talking to them.
She's giving a speech in thisclip that Morgan shared with me
and she's saying to them collegekids right, they're probably
between 19 and 22.
(11:43):
They probably think life isreally hard right now.
Right, they're in there.
They're probably between 19 and22.
They probably think life isreally hard right now.
Right, they're like oh, I gotto fucking work out every day.
The opponent is tough.
One of my teammates doesn'tlike me.
The guy that I'm dating isbeing an asshole.
I got to figure out what's upwith my.
I got to figure out if I'mgoing to go into transfer portal
next year.
Oh, my God, I'm 20.
(12:03):
Life is so fucking stressful.
I don't have any NIL dealscoming in, whatever.
Whatever.
Life is so stressful.
And Kara Lawson, who is, as Isee her in this clip as serious
as a heart attack.
She really wants them to getthis message to digest it them.
We as human beings areconstantly.
(12:25):
We are living life, waiting forand looking for that moment
where we're going to turn acorner, feel relief and life is
going to get easier, like, oh,when I just get this job and
these benefits, life's going toget easier.
Oh, when I fucking sell this TVseries, I'm going to be fast
(12:46):
tracked and then I'm going toand life's going to be easier.
Oh man, when I get in thisrelationship, my life's going to
be easier.
When I get out of thisrelationship, my life's going to
be easier.
When my kids get to X grade andthey're not doing blah, blah,
blah anymore, life's going toget easier.
And it's one one of those.
It's like one of those things.
I'm watching it and I'm likeoof, this is one of those
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messages where you know it'strue.
As the words are coming out ofher mouth, you almost don't want
to hear it, because I think, tosome extent, that hope, that
like when I just do x, life'sgonna be easier I think we like
that is the hope that sometimesgets us through is that if I can
(13:27):
just power through to this date.
Everything is going to berelief after that.
She is dispelling that myth in away that you have to do If you
care about somebody, like, youhave to do it.
You have to say it to somebodyIf you see them living under the
precept or the pretense thatthat's what is the case.
But when I hear her say it, I'mlike she's right, she's right,
(13:58):
I do the thing where I wiremyself.
That's why I avoid, like,that's why I don't just bite the
bullet and do.
The thing is because I'm likeman, if I can just make it to
blank date, this check will hitand then I can just pay for
somebody to do blah, blah, blah.
Oh man, when I just get thisbook out, then I'll have X
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amount of an audience or Xamount of a following and I
won't have to do these jobsanymore.
Whatever, whatever.
But like she's right, it's nottrue.
But her message is and this isthe part that's hopeful to me is
it's like life doesn't geteasier, but you get better at
handling harder things.
That is true.
That is true, chatty.
(14:42):
You do get better at handlingharder things.
You, chatty, have probably hadyour hardest year of life Like
to this, this last calendar yearhas probably been your most
difficult year of life.
Like to this, these lastcalendar year has probably been
your most difficult year of lifeand yet, like, you're still
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going, it's still happening,it's still growing every now and
then you get a moment, you getlike a little glimpse of that
good thing that you want tohappen is happening.
Like this is your life, it'shappening.
So I don't know, I needed togive myself a motivation, like
like drake, I needed to givemyself a motivational speech
(15:25):
right now, because I justcouldn't believe that that was
what.
Like I didn't know, I didn'tknow that the car was dead.
That's crazy.
Like I was just living my lifenot knowing that when I got to
my car at 10 o'clock pm on aSunday in the freezing cold,
that the car was not going tostart.
(15:47):
I didn't know that.
But like I didn't fucking, Ididn't crouch in a corner and
cry, I didn't panic, I didn'tknow that.
But like I didn't fucking, Ididn't crouch in a corner and
cry, I didn't panic, I didn'tlike yell at anybody there's
nobody to yell at.
I just went and fucking, got ina minivan and picked up my dog.
So all right, this is nothingbut anarchy.
Okay, we're going to squeeze afew things in here.
(16:08):
We're gonna squeeze a fewthings in here.
We're gonna talk about um jcole drake.
Uh, we might talk about amandaseals um, yes, those are all
three mixed people, but that isnot the point of this segment.
We're also going to talk aboutthe theory of an idea, which is
morgan's segment, which I'm veryexcited to see how morgan's
(16:30):
going to set this up.
But let's just start right here.
Let's just start here becausewe do this show on Tuesdays and
Thursdays.
Music drops on Fridays, whichmeans or Thursdays, which means
we don't get to come in withinstant response to the music,
but sometimes I think that's OKbecause it has to, has to sit
for a little bit, all right.
So Future and Metro boomingFuture 40-year-old, metro,
(16:59):
30-year-old.
They're like us, morgan.
Ten years apart, a dynamic duo,ten years apart, they dropped
an album on Friday called weDon't Trust you and, unless you
are a future listener, I couldgive you guys a review of like
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the album as music, but I don't.
I know that's not.
This is where we are.
This is where we are in society.
The review of the albummusically is unimportant,
because an album at this pointis just just a package of songs.
That's it.
It's not a story with a throughline.
It's just a package of songsthat people literally will take
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and put them in different orderon their own playlists, and
that's fine, honestly.
That's fine Because what isimportant here is that Future
and Metro Boomin shout out tomorehouse college.
Metro boomin went to morehouse,has a scholarship at morehouse
in his name.
Um, they are collaborators ofmany years, probably over a
(18:05):
decade.
At this point they have put out, um, some very, I think, very
important music culturally andthe importance that I would
speak to is just like big asshits, big songs.
Big songs that you will hear ata sporting arena.
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Big songs you will hear at aclub.
Big songs you will hear in yourfriend's car.
Big songs you will hear at thebeach.
Big songs you will hear at astrip club.
Big songs you will hear in yourfriend's car.
Big songs you will hear at thebeach.
Big songs you will hear at astrip club.
Big songs you will hear at ahookah bar.
Big songs that you will hearwhen people are in their most
visceral, when people are likeliving out of their fingertips
and not in their head.
(18:46):
That's where you will heartheir music, and that makes it
important to me.
Now I have a challengedconnection to futures music.
At this point I am.
This is what I'm going throughright now.
I'm 36, I am obviously a blackmale and I don't want the life
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that the most of thespecifically rappers of my same
makeup are at least projectingthat they have.
I don't want a life likefuture's life.
I don't want a life likeFuture's life.
I don't want a life likeDrake's life.
I don't want a life like whatit looks like is their life, and
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that's a strain on me, becausepart of what they're presenting
to have in their life.
I'll give an example, especiallyFuture.
Future goes all the way in onit.
Drake actually goes all the wayin on it too, but just with a
different tone and skincomplexion that makes people
treat it differently.
But they're projecting a lifefull of drugs, sex, travel,
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money, jewelry, gluttony lust,slavery, gluttony lust.
Like coolness, clothes, cars,like we've been like rinse
repeat we've been doing this for50 years now in hip-hop and all
of those things are things thatlike that's easy candy to show
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somebody like that is some ofthose things I truly do not give
a damn about no cool clotheslike that, but other things,
that they have.
Cool life, what a cool life.
But I sit with it for literallyone and a half seconds and my
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next thought on it is oh my god,I'm terrified of how future, of
what future, might feel if hesat with himself and didn't
inhale or snort or ingestanything to make the feelings go
away.
I'm scared of those.
Right, I don't even drinkbecause I don't like how I feel
after I drink right now, whichis like after I drink I'm like I
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can't do anything, I can'tthink straight, I can't like I
said stuff that I don't, thatreally didn't come from where I
wanted to come from, et cetera,et cetera, et cetera.
So there's a level of liketension that I feel with these
characters and the life thatthey're living in general, or
the life that they're displaying, because I can't speak to the
life that they're living.
I have no sense of everythingthat it takes to keep a creative
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career on the rails.
I bet they don't have that muchtime for some of the shit that
they be acting like.
They're up to all the time,like little Wayne made.
He said this in an interview,maybe like 10 years ago where he
was like I'm paraphrasing allthat shit that I'd be talking
about, that I do in my raps andall that stuff.
I don't have time for any ofthat.
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I'm rapping all day.
Every day I'm writing and I'mrapping and I'm recording and
I'm listening to my own musicback over and over and over and
over again.
I don't have time for anythingelse.
That's what he says.
So, anyway, but the point ofwhat I'm saying here is there's
a part of me that when a futurealbum comes out, I am so excited
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and enthusiastic to hear it.
And then there's a part of meright next to that part that's
like avoidant.
It's like there's a resistanceto it, because I know what I'm
about to put into my brain.
It's gonna hurt a little bit.
Honestly, it's gonna hurt alittle bit.
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It's gonna hurt a little bitbecause I feel scared for this
person.
Damn, I sound old as fuck.
It's gonna hurt a little bitbecause it makes me feel sad
about the relationship betweenmen and women.
It's gonna hurt a little bitbecause drugs it's gonna hurt
about the relationship betweenmen and women.
It's going to hurt a little bitbecause drugs it's going to
hurt and and yet.
(23:19):
So I listened to it.
There's only one song for us totalk about.
Obviously, there's some othertracks that I like, but there's
only one song for us to talkabout.
It is the song called Like that, which has a phenomenal hook by
Future On its own.
Just the production andFuture's hook and the vibe of
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the song, even without KendrickLamar's Drake diss J Cole diss
verse, stands alone.
It stands alone.
I think it would be the besttrack on the album even without
his verse.
But there's a Kendrick versewhich came as a surprise to
basically everybody.
That Kendrick was even on thisalbum, that Kendrick is even
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recording right now.
And it is Kendrick saying and Iwill paraphrase again because
you can listen to it yourself,and I think legally I'm only
allowed to read three lines ofsomebody's music, but at least
that's the case for publishingin books.
But anyway, he is saying in somany words Drake J Cole, you
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guys are trying to do thislittle thing where you're like
you're mobbed up right now andyou're hanging out and you're
performing together and whatever, whatever, and you're acting
like there's a big three andit's y'all, two and it's me, and
we're kind of like all on thesame platform, same pedestal,
whatever.
But no, it's not.
That, it's me, me, it is me.
(24:43):
And even if you two conjoinlike twins, you cannot.
You guys are not better than me.
That that's what he's saying,and what's coming out of him,
even aside from the words, islike there's like energy coming
out of him.
There's like, um, he's doing avoice.
(25:05):
You know, kendrick does all hisKendrick voices and shit.
He's kind of doing one of thosevoices, but he's, he's talking.
He's talking violently, he'stalking competitively, he's
talking directly.
I mean, he doesn't say theirnames, but he might as well be
doing so because he's talkingabout songs they've done
together.
He's talking about albums ofeach of theirs and he's just
(25:27):
right at them.
And I listened to it and I goton my face a big smile.
I felt so happy when I heard it.
I felt so happy because fromthe from inception, I have felt
like this drake j cole alliance,drake J Cole Alliance, is fake
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and corny and silly andunserious and like and I don't,
I don't get it.
It's like it's almost like arap version of, like Kevin
Durant and Stephen Curry, butmore ridiculous.
Like I already didn't like it,I already don't feel like Drake
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can be trusted as an ally forbasically anybody, and a part of
that is like now, looking atthe list of people who are
former Drake collaborators, whoare probably not on speaking
terms with Drake, which includesKanye West, rihanna, a$ap,
rocky Future, metro, boomin,kendrick Lamar I'm forgetting
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somebody that I had written downyesterday.
Whatever, I already just feellike Drake cannot be trusted,
but I think to me, I think thecheesiest thing in the world is
like two people who know inearnest that they are in
competition, pretending to be inallyship, and that what I see
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between drake and j cole and Iwas happy to see kendrick poke
his head out like a little demonwith the and just and just jump
right in there and say you guysare ass.
And now and now we're gonna dothe thing.
Now we're gonna do the thingthat is real.
We're gonna do the thing now.
We're gonna do the thing thatis real.
We're gonna do a thing that'shonest, which is that we don't
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like each other.
Let's compete, let's battle,let's do it.
I've had a thing aboutcompetition.
I've had a difficultrelationship with competition my
entire life because I'm acompetitive person.
But being a competitive personis not the thing that's actually
been difficult for me.
The thing that's been difficultfor me is we have layered rules
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on top of when competition isrequired, when competition is
celebrated, when competition isunallowed unallowed, for example
, boy as I.
I'm just going to stop here andjust say, as I start marketing
for this next book, I'm going tosay a lot of things that are
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going to occur as problematic tothe allowed black rhetoric, and
this is going to be one of them.
We ask rhetoric, and this isgoing to be one of them.
We ask our black people,especially the publicly facing
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ones.
We ask of us that we all arelike in some sort of connected,
conjoined grouping where we'reall marching together for the
same cause.
That is not fair to us.
Like that is not.
That is not giving us the fullrange of human dimension.
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One of the ranges of humandimension is to feel that person
is swerving too close to mylane.
Is to feel that person isswerving too close to my lane
I'm going to bumper cars, pushthat person back where they're
supposed to be, which is notover here.
That's just.
That just happens societally.
That is a cultural, biologicaltrait.
(29:10):
Okay, you feel somebody who istoo close to your little shack
and you push them out, get outof my shack.
That's like.
That's just what happens, Iknow.
Is it nice, is it kind, is itprincipled?
Does it follow the religioustenets?
Of course not, but it is solike that is a part of the human
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experience.
That is a part of the humanexperience.
And so when we say, forinstance, when we capture
everything in the bottle of,like crabs in a barrel, black
men pulling each other down,black people like don't black,
you know, people throw thisthing on us.
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Black people don't know how tocollaborate.
Black people are alwaysfighting to be the one, the
token, the whatever.
That is not what's occurringhere.
This is rap.
This is these are media titans.
I'm reading a book called BurnBook by Kara Swisher.
It details the intimate historyof the people who pioneered
(30:21):
Silicon Valley Jeff Bezos, markZuckerberg, mark Andreessen I
forgot his name, but the formerCEO of Uber who got pushed out,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,et cetera, right, pushed out,
(30:41):
etc, etc, etc, right.
And a part of her telling, asshe knows these people
incredibly well, is telling thestory of like this is capitalism
.
These are capitalists.
They are going to try to devoureach other.
That's a part of what'shappening here.
That's a part of the game.
The game board is set up thatway.
That's what these guys aredoing.
That's what this is.
This is capitalism.
Let them do their game like.
Let them do their like.
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Let Kendrick come in here andsay we're not buddies, we're not
friends.
They're not supposed to be.
It's a competition.
Okay, anyway.
So I like the song.
Go listen to the song.
I hope that Drake responds.
Drake, you have until Saturdayto respond.
That is as long as we're givingyou, because Beyonce's album
comes out on Friday and if youhide behind Beyonce's album,
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that's bad.
Morgan, you're going to set upthe theory of an idea.
Morgan.
Sean texted me.
She said I heard this thingthat I thought was very
interesting.
It's the theory of an idea.
Morgan, can you please set itup for us so we can discuss it?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Sure.
So I was at this like groupcreative thing yesterday and
this girl that I'm friends withwas talking about this idea she
had for this like children'sbook thing, and this other girl
that she knew said, well, youknow how I feel about ideas, and
I was like that's a weird thingto say Like what do you?
(32:00):
what do you mean by that?
She's like well, I read thisthing one time that was saying
that ideas are like energy.
And it's like an idea comes toyou, it's like choosing you as a
host for it and if you choosenot to do anything with it, then
that energy will go elsewhereand somebody else will make that
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idea happen, like turn it intoa reality.
And she talked about this womanwho had this idea for whatever.
She hugged somebody.
She never told her.
This idea hugged this person atan event, saw that person maybe
two years later and that personhad exactly gone out and done
this thing that she had beenmarinating on.
And she's like, wow, it's crazy.
And she had never done anythingwith it.
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And I thought that was a reallyinteresting concept, because
I've always heard like you can'tsteal an idea, yes, but
thinking of it as energy was wasjust interesting yes, also, I
believe this counts as a g, as agen z segment.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
um, yes, I agree with this point of view.
I agree that a genius is aperson who like open to trying a
crazy idea and executing.
And I think, okay.
(33:23):
So brief, story-ish kind ofthing, the beginning of this
path that I'm on, whatever it is, I was starting to write TV
pilots and screenplays and stuffand, morgan, you probably
encountered this to a degree.
There's a lot of fear, I think,for especially writers early in
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their careers, around howthey're going to protect their
ideas, how they're going toprotect their precious TV series
idea, their screenplay, theirpilot, whatever.
And I felt this, I felt thisfeeling that my ideas, my ideas,
the ideas were so precious andthey were so unique and they
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were so spectacular.
And if anybody got a hold of myprecious ideas and went off and
made my thing without me, howbroken I would feel and how sad
and how like, what a, what a,what a terrible, what a terrible
fate to befall me if myprecious ideas somehow got out
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the process of protecting myideas by registering everything
with the Writers Guild andputting things in Google Docs
with encrypted passwords and nottelling my friends you know
friends would ask me like, oh,what are you working on?
And I would give them some.
I see it right now a writer,early in their career, or you
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know, honestly, even a 50 yearold who has like an idea for
something, who's never madeanything creative, but like they
want to.
You know, it's a dream sort ofin their heads.
I don't know if they want to,but it's a dream.
And I'll ask them like, oh,what's up with the thing?
What's the blah, blah, blah?
And I can feel them beingcryptic about it.
Like I can feel them being alittle bit evasive about it.
(35:15):
And I know part of it is thatthey believe their thing is
precious and they're looking atme as someone who might have the
wherewithal to go and executeon their idea without them.
And the truth is, to me, ifsomeone else can execute your
idea without you, you don'tactually have autorial ownership
(35:42):
over that idea.
Like the idea has probablyalready hit other people and
inspired them, but like ifyou're just sitting on it, it's
it's not yours until you.
It's that it's just an idea,it's nowhere.
Like it's not yours until youstart to put the path down in
front of you.
Like it's not yours until I.
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I feel this way I've said itbefore but like I get frustrated
with the, with the brazen,bodacious fearfulness of people
who call themselves or considerthemselves to be, like ideas.
People Like, oh, I'm an ideasperson, oh, like I'm a
(36:28):
strategist person.
Like I'm like it's like itfeels so, both at the same time
fearful and self-aggrandizing.
To be like my job is just tothink and other people's jobs
are to go out there and trythings, experiment, fail, run
(36:50):
into a wall, trying the thingsthat I have so beautifully
thought through.
And I don't actually thinkthose people ever get the glory
in life that they have built upfor themselves in their heads.
Because, like we want to seesomebody's walk, like we want to
see the idea is useless.
(37:10):
We want to see somebody get outthere and push that shit and
see what happens to them.
Like I feel inspired by theperson who is willing to go and
look like an idiot, putting onefoot in front of the other on
something that was just an idea.
Because the thing that happensis, once you start building on
your idea, you need another idea.
(37:32):
You need another idea.
You need another idea.
Like we started down the pathwith this show a year ago as a
freaking sports show on AMP andI was sitting in that couch and
the camera was pointed that way.
Was there even a camera in thebeginning?
I don't remember.
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
There was a camera in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
There was never not a camera, but they couldn see you
in in real time gotcha, okay,okay, so they could see me, they
could see the clips.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, yeah, right, yes, there was always a camera,
yes, but I'm.
But here's the point.
The point is like the ideas arelike I have a iphone notes app
full of the shit that comes upin a day because they're like
logs in a fire.
I just have to keep throwingthem in there, throwing them in
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there, throwing them in there.
Later today I will, or tomorrow,or something I will post like a
short video of me and Alex, whoyou've met before, like in his
studio messing with some, likemessing with some, like messing
with some um synthesizer boardsand like a microphone and just
like, kind of like just playingaround trying to make something
(38:46):
and like that won't be anythingunless we do that a hundred
times until it becomes something.
And so I actually think this issort of a message to the early
20s to mid 30s crowd of but notjust them, but like crowd of us,
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sort of like, well, I'm not inthat crowd and we're shit, but
like the crowd of people withbig dreams who are mostly
sitting with and talking aboutthose dreams all the time um,
you can't, you're not allowed tobe, but you will be, but you're
not allowed to be mad andjealous and spiteful of the
(39:29):
people in your community and inyour circle who are gonna go out
and like do the shit, becauseit's sitting right there.
It's sitting right there foryou to do it.
Okay, morgan, what else did youthink was interesting about
this theory of ideas?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Um, just that, the way she was talking about ideas
was very like it's not yours,like, unless you make it yours
Otherwise.
It's kind of like this gift,like this like energy gift that
can go to anybody, but it showsyou, and whether you take
responsibility to do somethingwith it is one thing, otherwise
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it just goes away.
Or, like somebody, it goes tosomebody who will do something
with it.
I just had never heard someoneexplain it like that.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And it will leave you like it.
It like that, I just, and itwill leave you like it it will
that you know that feeling whereyou like you're writing
something or you're makingsomething, and then you get up
and leave it and sometimes whenyou come back you get better
energy for it.
But, like, sometimes you comeback and you're like this is not
something.
I don't even know what I wasexcited about here, because your
(40:34):
whole, your whole life haschanged around you and you're
not the same anymore and so,like it is, it does, it does
belong to somebody else now,because if you stay open to
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ideas, they can pass through youand you can give them to other
people generously.
There are really accomplishedpeople who talk about how freely
they will give away ideasbecause they know they're not
the person to execute them.
But that sort of that that free, generous, like offering to
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make sure somebody else can haveit if it's a good one, I think
leaves you open to the next goodone that's supposed to pass
through you.
And I think that's what we'resupposed to be doing as creative
people is like we're supposedto be creating a network of
these good ideas.
We're supposed to be creating anetwork such that the things
(41:45):
actually get done over time.
Okay, in 90 seconds I am justgoing to respond to this Amanda
Seals thing, because we nevergot to it before.
Amanda Seals says of acceptance, in quote unquote black
Hollywood I don't get invited toessence women in Hollywood.
I've never been invited to theNAACP image awards.
I've been.
I've been nominated for animage award.
(42:06):
Never been invited to the NAACPimage awards.
Never been honored at BlackGirls Rock.
Like I've hosted these events.
I literally hosted the BETAwards in 2020 at my fucking
house and I was not invited tothe bet awards since.
Okay, first thing, that lastsentence is extremely confusing
to me and I don't understandwhat it means.
Did she literally wait 2020?
(42:28):
Like the pandemic, she hostedthe awards at her house.
What does that mean?
Also, okay, I gotta say it,fuck it.
I gotta say it.
I'm glad we, I'm glad westopped here.
Maybe we'll do j-lo on thursdaywith charlotte, but like, is it
just me?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I only know amanda seals from insecure she's been
like a actor for like a longtime well.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I only know her from insecure and from people talking
about her on the internet andseeing her face on the internet
like is what's the other?
Is there another out there?
You guys, I'm sure someone willfeel a way about this am I
supposed to know amanda sealsfrom something else?
And I guess this is a perfectopportunity for me to talk about
(43:11):
black hollywood, which is whatI have done many times here.
But like so here, here's onething about black Hollywood it
is quite literally ageographical region.
It is not like black Hollywooddoes not extend to you If you
live in, for instance, new Yorkcity, washington DC, another
(43:33):
country like black Hollywood isliterally a reference to the
black people that live overthere and not actually even in
hollywood pretty much any ofthem.
But like it is, it is a circleand a context and a tone and a
internet pathology.
(43:54):
It is a region of people whoare like an interconnected
community of folks that helpeach other, get jobs, go to
brunch together and work inHollywood, and there's a
hierarchy that I do notcompletely understand or connect
to.
There is a way of being that Ido not completely understand or
(44:17):
connect to, but as far as I cantell most of the people who are
in.
I mean, I know some people verywell.
I have some great friends whoare a part of that particular
community and they don't love it.
A lot of them feel lonely andisolated.
A lot of them feel like they'renot a part of something at all
and I guess in that way, some ofthem probably feel how Amanda
(44:40):
Seals feels, which is like ifthis is supposed to be a thing
that encompasses all of us orthat, you know, make gives us a
place to be included, certainlyI, as someone who has had a
career in this business I guessAmanda Seals is probably in her
forties, she's probably beendoing this for 20 years or so
Like, certainly I should beinvited to the cookout if
(45:02):
anybody.
But it goes back to the thing.
That is the thing which is,like most communities around
Hollywood are centered aroundwho has a budget.
When the NAACP awards come up,someone produces that show when
(45:22):
the BET awards come up.
I've been to the BET awards.
I sat in the second to verylast row, right next, right
behind Rudy Gobert.
He's the biggest person onearth.
When the BET awards come up,someone has a budget to produce
that show.
Someone has a budget to producethat show.
That means money decisions aremade.
That means like a wedding,seating arrangements are made,
(45:44):
sponsors get involved, tv seriesand movies and producers and
studios say I want my personthere.
Agencies say I want my personthere, there, there, there,
there.
There's trading that happens,there's bartering that's
happening and I think AmandaSeals probably knows as well as
anybody and this is probably hermaking her plea so that it
(46:06):
doesn't go this way againagainst her favor.
But, like she probably knows aswell as anybody, those
decisions are made as trades.
It's not about it's's, I mean,it's kind of about quote unquote
, who likes who.
But like it's really just aboutlike who owes who a back
scratch or who wants a backscratch from who later on in the
future.
And so in that regard, to getour seats, amanda seals is
(46:30):
probably gonna have to.
I know amanda seals can ask theright person and get her seats
at the bet awards.
I know that she can.
I know that she can, I can dothat, a lot of people can do
that.
Just ask the right person.
I don't know that you need tomake a public plea of it, but if
you do, I'm not even mad,because I feel the same way
about Black Hollywood that youdo Not, that I feel.
I guess I feel excluded from it, even though I haven't asked
(46:51):
for entry, but like, let's namethis what it is it's like a for
profit.
It's like a for profit entityof bartering and trading and
paying for favors.
It is not a bunch of peoplesitting at the same cafeteria
table, okay.
Lastly, jlo.
(47:12):
We're going to go through thisvery quickly, morgan, in 90
seconds or less.
Can you tell us why are peoplemaking fun of JLo?
We're going to go through thisvery quickly, morgan, in 90
seconds or less.
Can you tell us?
Why are people making fun ofJLo.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Okay, my TikTok has been filled with JLo slander.
That is basically peoplestitching together the
commentary on a recent— Herdocumentary came out and in it
she's in her home home gym.
It looks like with like herhair out naturally and she's
(47:40):
talking about how she loveswearing her hair like this.
It reminds her when she waslike running up and down the
block when she was 16 in thebronx and people are just like I
don't know.
I I don't know the deep historyof her relationship to the
bronx, but from the gist of it Ican gather she hasn't been
super present and so peoplecurrently living in the Bronx
(48:02):
call her out a lot forconstantly bringing up the Bronx
because she is a millionaireand they think she brings it up
to be quote-unquote relatableand they make fun of that.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
That's it.
She's doing marketing.
Marketing needs a story.
As I have started to thinkthrough how I'm going to market
my book, this is the thing thathappens.
I don't know why JLo was doingthis interview about her bodega
(48:35):
order.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh, that was a couple of years ago.
It was like a 20 questionsthing.
They asked her.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
There you go, but JLo will not be doing any
interviews that are not meant tosell something, and selling and
marketing requires you have totell a story, and it's not
interesting if you just say, man, I've been living in West
Hollywood for the last 30 yearslike, and I'm rich as hell and
I've been living with BenAffleck and Alex Rodriguez, so,
like, I never go to the bodega,I only eat, you know, vegan
(49:04):
bacon, egg and cheese from.
I don't know John and Vinny's,but the John and Vinny's doesn't
have bacon, egg and cheese,especially not vegan.
But I'm just mashing LosAngeles things together.
Okay, the point of what I wantto say here is like I'm learning
a new part of the game.
Maybe it's an obvious part tosome of you, but this is new to
(49:27):
me.
It's new to me wrapping my headaround it.
You make something to be onething.
You title it to signal to thepeople what you think they want
to try.
You tell a story to signal tothe people what you think will
make them, give it a chance.
(49:49):
Those are three differentthings what you made, what you
call it and what you tell peopleabout it are three different
things.
In my opinion, to haveintegrity.
They should all be true, butthat doesn't mean they all have
to align.
That doesn't mean they all haveto be the same.
Like I'm now thinking about, howam I going to market this book?
(50:10):
It has this title.
It is actually about thesethings, but I got to tell people
a story that makes them feellike it is the thing that they
want to pick up and open.
And JLo has to do that too tous common folk, which means she
has to pretend like sheremembers eating bacon, egg and
cheese in the Bronx.
(50:31):
Also, I have lived in New Yorkfor 13 years.
I think I've been to the Bronxmaybe five times.
Is Fordham in the Bronx?
Yeah, so you've lived in theBronx?
What's your bodega order?
Bronx woman.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Oh, I am a bacon, egg and cheese person.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Well, this has been Nothing but Anarchy.
Thank you.
We will see you guys onThursday.
Oh no, we won't, because we'regoing to be outside in the world
somewhere, but we will.
Oh no, we won't, because we'regoing to be outside in the world
somewhere, but you can download.
Any way that you get podcasts.
Go like and subscribe us onYouTube.
We will see you guys next time.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Thanks for watching.
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