Irena Spazzapan: Is VC still hiding behind the power law?

In this episode of Nothing Ventured, host Ari Shah welcomes Irena Spazzapan, Managing Partner at Systemic Capital, a venture capital fund focused on addressing planet-scale challenges through technology. Irena shares her journey from Goldman Sachs to venture building, emphasising the importance of software-first, asset-light models in tackling climate issues like decarbonisation and electrification. The conversation delves into the regulatory landscape surrounding physical technologies, the necessity of proactive investment strategies in a power law-driven industry, and the potential implications of shifting funds from money markets as interest rates change. Irena also discusses the dynamics of specialised funds in Europe and their impact on local investment landscapes. Tune in for insights on navigating the intersection of technology and climate solutions. Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Guest 00:00:10 - Irena Spazzapan's Background and Systemic Capital 00:00:31 - Climate Solutions and Investment Strategies 00:00:43 - The Role of Regulation in Venture Capital 00:01:00 - Power Law in Venture Capital 00:01:22 - Money Markets and Interest Rates 00:01:41 - Local Strong Funds in Europe 00:02:12 - VC as a Boys' Club 00:02:23 - Call to Action for Podcast Engagement 00:02:46 - Importance of Macroeconomics in Venture Capital 00:03:18 - Interaction Between Physical World and Software 00:05:13 - Examples of Electrification and Physical AI 00:06:19 - AI and Automation in Manufacturing 00:07:22 - Space and Planet-Scale Solutions 00:07:41 - Team Experience in Power and Commodities 00:08:12 - Impact of Macroeconomics on Venture Capital 00:09:13 - Importance of Short-Term Fundraising 00:09:35 - Potential Future Macro Trends 00:10:44 - Impact of War and Defense Tech on Venture Capital 00:11:05 - Avoiding Government Sales and Defense Investments 00:11:26 - The Fourth Turning and Societal Shifts 00:12:15 - Future of AI and Automation 00:12:37 - Societal Acceptance of Technological Shifts 00:13:41 - China's Advancements in Technology 00:14:16 - Robotic Football Teams and AI Progress 00:14:57 - Regulatory Differences Between China and the West 00:15:21 - Observations from Visiting China 00:16:01 - Misconceptions About China's Technological Capabilities 00:16:41 - Europe's Position Between the US and China 00:17:22 - Fragmentation of European Markets 00:18:09 - Power Law vs. Discipline in Exits 00:18:38 - Importance of Planning for the Worst 00:19:03 - Identifying Rocket Ships and Middle Ground Companies 00:20:39 - Creating DPI with Middle Pack Companies 00:21:06 - Explanation of DPI and IRR 00:22:02 - IRR vs. Multiples in Venture Capital 00:23:03 - Impact of Interest Rates on Venture Capital 00:24:34 - IPOs and Market Opportunities 00:25:18 - Public Investors' Attitude Towards Tech in Europe 00:26:18 - Challenges of Expanding Fund Size 00:27:00 - Building Value-Generative Portfolios 00:28:28 - Helping Companies Find Better Homes 00:29:25 - Transatlantic Strategy and Avoiding Continental Europe 00:30:11 - Challenges of Competing with US Tier 1 Funds 00:31:14 - Efficiency and Productivity in Investment Strategy 00:32:01 - Publicly Funded Specialist Funds in Europe 00:32:32 - Penetrating Local Ecosystems 00:33:17 - Deal Flow and Focus in the UK 00:34:01 - Inbound Opportunities from Europe 00:34:23 - Impact of US Firms Entering Europe 00:34:48 - Collaboration with Generalist Funds 00:35:10 - Challenges of Diluting Focus with a Small Team 00:35:46 - Importance of Maintaining a Consistent Strategy 00:36:36 - Barriers to Entry in Asset Management 00:37:32 - Women in Venture Capital and Herd Mentality 00:38:24 - Impact of Downturns on Women in VC 00:39:00 - VC as a Boys' Club 00:39:42 - Building a Different Culture in VC Firms 00:41:11 - Fitting In vs. Bringing Your Own Dynamic 00:42:03 - Managing Sharks in the Industry FindIrena Spazzapan online at: LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/irena-spazzapan-741a53/ Twitter: https://x.com/ISpazzapan Systemiq Capital: https://systemiqcapital.earth This episode is sponsored by EmergeOne, fractional CFOs for venture backed tech startups from Seed to Series B. Get in touch at https://emergeone.co.uk/contact-us/ or join the CFO team at https://emergeone.co.uk/join-the-cfo-team/ Sign up for EmergeOne’s weekly newsletter, Off Balance at https://off-balance.beehiiv.com/subscribe