September 15, 2025 • 57 mins
The journey from knowledge of self to political sovereignty isn't just theoretical—it's the natural progression for a people who've discovered their divine nature. When Allah founded the Five Percent Nation in 1960s Harlem, he wasn't merely creating a movement; he was planting seeds for a sovereign community that could one day claim its rightful place in the world.
Five Percent Nationalism represents the mature evolution of Allah's teachings—moving beyond the foundational understanding that the Black man is God to establishing concrete pathways toward freedom, justice, and equality. This episode breaks down how the concept of a "nation within a nation" has always been central to Five Percent teachings, tracing how this community transformed from street knowledge to organized structure complete with its own flag, school, and leadership system.
We explore the fascinating history of post-Civil War America when freed Black people were briefly offered their own territory through Special Field Order Number 15—a forgotten chapter that established precedent for Black sovereignty along the southeastern coast. What would have happened if Lincoln hadn't been assassinated and this order remained in effect? More importantly, how can Five Percenters today use this historical foundation to build toward independence?
The path forward requires political maturity—understanding that sovereignty doesn't demand hostility toward others but rather commitment to self-determination. Through agricultural self-sufficiency, strategic land acquisition, and forming federations with other Black nationalist movements, the Five Percent Nation can transform cultural identity into genuine political power.
Whether you're a longtime Five Percenter seeking deeper understanding of your nation's political destiny or someone curious about alternative models of Black liberation, this episode offers practical insights into how knowledge of self naturally evolves into governance of self. Join us as we chart the course from street teachings to sovereign nation.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:34):
No problem, all is well, man, you know all is well.
Can continue and elevate, youknow, as we should indeed,
indeed.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So we're talking about today's uh podcast is
about five percent nationalism,five percent nationalism.
So, um, I want you to explainthat okay.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, we left off last time, you know, kind of
getting headway into nationalismand my origin in that world,
you know.
So first I gotta say how webecame a nation.
You know so as a five percent.
You know allah, his comrades.
They were in temple numberseven.
(02:16):
You know where malcolm x wasthe minister and uh, basically
soon before, right beforeMalcolm X left, allah left, you
know, and he, knowing hislessons, knew who the 5%, 10%,
85% was and running with thisidea and teaching that the black
(02:40):
man is.
God and teaching that there isno mystery God.
And teaching what that theblack man is God.
And teaching that there is nomystery God.
And teaching what civilization,teaching young brothers right,
how to go from boys to men, togods, that was essentially the
reality of that day and time.
We're talking about 1963, youknow, when some of the first
first that either are first bornor introduced the first born to
(03:02):
the knowledge when they camearound, firstborn, or introduce
the firstborns to the knowledgewhen they came around.
So when 63 had waned into 64,when things started to heat up
and going with this notion ofbeing a five percent or five
percent or five percentaccording to those lessons, he
knew right, living that out, themajority of the population, as
(03:24):
the honorable Elijah Muhammadteaches.
So if you're not familiar withthe lessons, right, these are
questions and answers from themost honorable Elijah Muhammad
and his teacher.
So these lessons helps right,allah, the founder, the father
of our nation, the 5%, to havefurther realization of himself.
(03:44):
Right and further uminvestigation into himself and
when he found that, just likethe lessons were saying, you
know, he was allah.
Just like the original man isallah and god, like the lessons
teach, and so on and so on.
He started to bring this outinto his community and teach to
make a long story short on wherethe notion of five percent
(04:07):
comes from, because theselessons teach 85 percent are the
masses, that are uncivilizedpeople, right, they don't know
their origin in this world.
They believe in a mysteriousgod.
Right, they just are easily ledin the wrong direction, and so
they're led by the 10%, whichbrings us up to 95% of the
population.
So it's basically saying that aminority rules the majority,
(04:32):
like in politics, like inreligion and dogma and so on and
so on.
And this minority in particularthat Elijah Muhammad was
speaking about, was the minoritythat leads the masses to
believe that the almighty, true,living God is a spook and
cannot be seen by the physicaleye.
Now, this minority bloodsucksthe poor and what the rest of
(04:56):
the masses, rich or poor, intobelieving that there's a power
outside of themselves, so thatthey easily give authority
outside of themselves.
So that they easily giveauthority outside of themselves
Psychological warfare, right.
So the 10% controls the 85%.
Not just in religion, but inall facets of life, people are
generally easily led in thewrong direction through just how
(05:19):
humanity has been trained for awhile Left is the 5%, as the
lesson speaks that they are theones who know who the true and
living god is and who teach whothe true and living god is right
.
We're the ones that teachcivilization right to our
brothers and sisters in themasses, right to bring them into
a fold of righteousness.
(05:39):
This is how this story, or theorigin in this world, began.
Allah is teaching this.
He's teaching the meaning ofcivilization One having
knowledge, wisdom, understanding, culture and refinement is not
a savage in the pursuit ofhappiness.
Right, he's teaching the dutyof the civilized person that
(06:01):
knows that.
He's teaching that there is nomystery, god that right, the son
of man, right humanity,prophets, messengers, so on and
so on, have searched for andinterpreted for, and so on and
so on, for this mystery God fortrillions of years.
However, none of these menactually what led anybody to God
.
So he said you got to look atthe man in the what, the mirror.
So the man in the mirror becamewhat, the one who's responsible
(06:25):
for the world we're in.
We say all the above is causedby the Son of man, essentially
us as the black man.
Right, the conditions we're inare a result, in some type of
way of our ways and actions.
Right Fast forward 5 percent,10 percent, 85 percent.
Allah is teaching us and hiscomrades are teaching us.
The brothers who he first%.
Allah is teaching us and hiscomrades are teaching us.
(06:45):
The brothers who he firststarted teaching are teaching us
.
Now.
We're becoming a nation for acouple reasons.
One thing we can get clearanyone who has this teaching
knows about the firstborn.
I'll stick to the firstborn ofMecca now.
I'll stick to the firstborn ofMecca now.
The firstborn, contrary topopular belief, is not someone
(07:10):
who first got the knowledge oris not someone who was one of
Allah's first students or firstfruit or anything like that.
Those were designations, thosewere ranks and positions, those
were seats of authority thatwere mandated to particular
brothers that was qualified toteach all right, can you explain
that?
right, okay.
So usually people would thinkyou know, you heard the
(07:32):
firstborn.
Everyone gets introduced tomessiah as-salam firstborn
prince yohara, so on and so on.
However, it's usually thoughtthat these are Allah's first
students, these are the firstones that got the knowledge,
hence the firstborn right,because born in Supreme
(07:53):
Mathematics is nine.
So they have this thing wherethey say that the firstborn are
Allah's first nine students.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Hold on.
Thank you, joey.
Thank you, joey, peace to you,really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Peace.
Now, the firstborn are reallythose who are born in a mental
state and a way of thinking thatwas being manifested, because
you know how, in the church,right, they say you born again
when you come into Jesus Christ,right?
So if we deal with what theycall nowadays Christ
consciousnessesus, right.
So if we're dealing with whatthey call nowadays christ
consciousness, right, if we'redealing with what jesus being
(08:30):
just us and us being the son ofman, because a lot was teaching
that we, the new god, we thewhat black baby jesus that they
don't know about we're the onesright.
What we have to bring them toan understanding of what.
We're the ones right.
What we have to bring them tounderstanding what we're talking
about, because what we have isnot what been revealed in this
type of way, the actual realitythat there is no mystery god.
(08:53):
So the first born peopleusually think that means the
first nine allah taught, whenthat just really means certain
brothers who got that positionand qualification from him.
It's more of a title, aposition in the rank don't mean
the first born right, don't meanto cut you so.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So are you saying that a law structured it based
on, like captain and lieutenant?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
that's exactly what I'm saying.
He just didn't call it that.
He said you know what?
Y'all, my first born.
Basically, that's how it went.
So the firstborn are the onesthat what were the first really
qualified to go.
What do they think?
For instance, like God Supreme,he got it before some of them
(09:38):
and he ain't no firstborn, youknow.
He came through one of them andhad even a closer relationship
with the law than some of them.
However, I'm saying that toclarify one what that is.
They were the qualified.
Those are the ones that Allahsaid you go here, you go here,
you do this.
And they were the first born,the first born of his what
Mindset and what he was doing.
(10:00):
Also, saying that to segue intoour building into a nation,
because when you're starting todo things like this, you go from
just a movement or a teachingor just what's going on in the
street to starting to organizeyour people into a nation.
Now, what he was teaching atthe time was yes, y'all are my
5%.
However, I'm now building y'allinto my nation.
(10:22):
However, I'm now building y'allinto my nation.
This is what he's teachingGod's freedom and other brothers
, because, going intoinvestigation of lessons,
because everything is real.
He would teach on Yaqub to givehim understanding of nation
building, no-transcript nation.
(10:48):
So he said, the black, brownand yellow that Yaqub used in
that day to graft the nation ofhis own, I'm going to use,
instead of what, separating theseeds like he did, the black
from the brown, brown from theyellow, and so on.
I'm going to unite the seeds bytaking the seeds and the
nations within nations of black,brown, yellow, so on.
I'm going to unite the seeds bytaking the seeds and the
nations within nations of black,brown and yellow.
Right, and that's the what, theConstitution right, the buildup
(11:14):
of what I'm doing in today'sday and time.
That's what was just naturallyorganically going on.
It didn't just start like, oh,I'm coming to make a separate
nation or da-da-da, anythinglike that.
He was just being him, he wasbuilding, teaching and he came
into okay, now we're building awhat?
Nation?
So nation, right, and that alsogoes into like born, because
(11:38):
nation right, the root to thatis the same as like natal, like
what you're born into, likenativity, right.
It's also right, the same as umnature.
And if you look at theetymology of the word nature, it
talks about something you'reborn into.
It talks about innate things,something you already have Right
(12:01):
.
So our nature became our nationbecause us living out who we
was, us having our first bornright, presenting to us the
nature of the original man,which is god, us living out that
divinity, that nature becameour nation.
(12:22):
So I've been going for thatsince forever.
However, the teachings of whothe five percent was that sped
up into what allah realized.
Okay, I got something going.
Here's hundreds and thousandsof these guys and these women
out here, so this is somethingthat's organically building into
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a nation.
Look at all these black, brown,yellow brothers and sisters
coming into the knowledge ofthemselves in the time of the
60s through many differentfacets, and they all started
gravitating towards him.
The nation was becoming whatthe nation and he was teaching
that.
They were a nation within anation.
That's another concept I wantto bring up, because what I'm
doing is showing that we aresupposed to be headed into
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independence and governance ofourselves, and whenever that
conversation gets brought up, itis put in the same realm of
being anti-government oranti-white or something like
that, and what I'm here to sayis that being anti-American or
anti-government is not aprerequisite for sovereignty.
(13:34):
Again, being anti-government,being anti-American, being
anti-white is not a prerequisitebefore the original people on
this land to be who they are andbeing a nation within a nation,
which is a teaching that a lotof those repeat.
Allah would say.
(13:55):
If they would look at theclimate, the political climate
of that time, they would knowthat a nation within a nation is
a political term, that a nationwithin a nation is a political
term because the nations of theworld of that time that were
freeing themselves from theauthority of imperial britain,
imperial imperial france rightimperial spain, imperial
(14:16):
portugal and so on and so on,these nations were now nations
within nations.
So the term nation withinnation is one to represent and
mean a nation who was capturedby another nation and now they
have complete obedience or asemi-authority under that nation
or empire.
(14:37):
And it also means, like whathappened with our people, like
what happened with our peopleNow.
I say 5% of nationalism becauseone it started with what grew
naturally as black people,so-called right, being a nation
within a nation here in America.
How did that happen?
All the tribes of Africa rightWest Africa, central West Africa
(15:05):
, all along the coast and, to befair I'll say, a lot of the
tribes are original people fromhere.
Over a four or five hundredyear process, we melted right
into the several nations thatbecame Black people in America,
(15:25):
right?
Jamaicans in Jamaica, haitiansin Haiti.
The difference is they havesovereignty, as in Haiti,
semi-sovereignty, as in Jamaica,or assimilation, as in Black
people here in America.
So I'm building this thing upso we understand the terminology
(15:49):
and politics and where we're atas a people and how Black
people, like I'm saying, becamea nation within a nation,
because over time, we developedinto a distinct ethnic group,
what people call AfricanAmerican.
When people say Black nigga,whatever, whatever, all over the
world, it's known exactly whatnation you're talking about.
Now we're a nation within anation, obviously, um, because
(16:15):
of the inquisition, right of theeuropean states that got
together and also, in the sameway, became what?
A nation of nations.
So all the tribes of africa,right, because we know we're
igbo, yoruba, manday, so on andso on.
And then we got grandfathersand grandmothers say cherokee,
(16:37):
and so on and so on.
So we know that we're acombination of all those
original people.
The white folks had the samething going on.
Right, I'm still at blacknationalism and white
nationalism, clearing upnationalism, because they're a
culmination of the Germans, theSpanish, the Italians, the
British and so on and so on,that left that nation to build
(16:58):
this nation and fought thosenations who their ancestry is
from to build America, nationswho their ancestry is from to
build America.
So these two separate nations,right, became one nation.
On this land, however, onedominated, leaving Black people,
a nation within a nation, adistinct culture, history,
bloodline, genealogy and so onand so on.
And a nation within a nation.
(17:19):
Now, those hundreds of years ofus transforming into this new
man, the black man in thewilderness of North America.
Right, what happened?
The latter 20th century, mid20th century, the black people,
coming into the knowledge ofthemselves, started to now
create nations within the blacknation.
(17:41):
Now we come out and say, okay,we have the Hebrew nation, the
Amor Black nation.
Now we come out and say, okay,we have the Hebrew nation, the
Amorite nation, we have the 5%nation.
Now, black people went from anation within a nation to even
now, even under the authority ofImperial America, still
(18:02):
building culturally intriguingnations within the now black
nation.
So what I'm saying is, as 5percent, and we introduce a 5
percent nationalism, what weneed to do is being the most
intelligent thinkers on theplanet Earth.
Right, we need to with withmental right maturity, with
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spiritual authority, maturityshould come, a political
maturity.
So we need to come to the pointwhere we theorize and we have
think tanks on who, what, whenwe're five percent.
Nationalism is because, thoughI can be, uh, initiative, the
same way, uh, a mal would be, orthe same way a Mao would be, or
the same way a GeorgeWashington would be, and so on
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and so on.
We still have to manifest ourdestiny now, becoming one of
those nations within the Blacknation, and do something for
ourselves.
Our goal was always supposed tobe land, freedom, justice,
equality for ourselves, but oneday, as a 5%, we'd have to have
land for ourselves.
So now I think, with all thehigh science we have, we should
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be able to come to a maturity ofindependence and territory.
And, like I said, theprerequisite to that is not
coming against anyone, it's juststanding on your square and
developing um, not evendeveloping, but the plan is
there, but moving forward withthe power that we already have.
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And I don't know if you want tosay something, because I was
going to how we could do thatpeace.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You hear me?
yeah, now I do okay, okay now,um, I wanted to ask uh, being
that you know you did say a lawum said he said something about
nationalism, a nation within anation, right, he said that.
So I want you to, you know,expound on that.
(20:02):
And what I noticed another movewas, you know, not him only
working with uh, barry garthurand um, um also sham got
universal sham guard with theflag, like it all.
It started to look like he wasmoving in a like a nationalism
kind of you know a way.
(20:24):
So if you could kind of expoundon other moves he made, right,
solidify your point right, right.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So with the flag, that's a good point, because
anyone that looks at the historyof the world, you know creating
a flag is an act ofemancipation.
That's the act of you know.
You know what I'm saying.
Separating and saying this isnow the authority that I'm under
.
Like the Americans say, Ipledge allegiance to the flag.
When you have a flag, you'renow saying this is my, what
(20:55):
Banner?
So that's one point and one weknow he had a military
background, decorated soldier,so he wasn't dumb or numb or
naive to the idea what we neededto do to succeed.
Now the common misconception isthat he was totally
assimilative.
Now there's assimilation andthere's separation.
Separation doesn't meansegregation.
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Separation means that I'm notbeing treated right, I have the
right to one do for self toavoid that mistreatment.
And also it's just a humanright If you've held down a
territory, a history, a cultureand so on and so on that you
naturally developed into a saidnation.
(21:38):
But about the nation within thenation.
The flag was the point.
His dealing with Barry andMayor Lindsey and so on and so
on was the point.
Like you said.
This was for those that don'tknow, this was the mayor at the
time of New York City.
You know what I'm saying.
His name was Mayor Lindsey andhe had an aide, the mayor's man,
(22:00):
who was Barry Goffman, right,and Allah was teaching both of
them at this time.
And what he's talking about isthat when Allah needed our flags
, the buttons we wear on thelapel right If you've ever seen
like this in the thumbnail andso on and so on, the mayor of
New York City had those printedfor us and gave those to us to
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distribute for our nation.
So now, another point to how wecan come into our political
maturity is that the school wehave was given right towards the
1967.
When a law came home fromMatawan and he was meeting with
ABC X, y and Z, they asked himwhat he wanted, right, and he
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wanted a place to teach his fivepercenters.
Right, he wanted to continuewhat he was doing without being
up in everyone else's face.
So the block that they wasalready teaching on right became
what urban league streetacademy.
Initially, because the urbanleague is the source, just like
there's non-profits and so on.
(23:05):
And nowadays that was teachingin there, getting brothers day,
gd, sending brothers to collegewith um, different programs, and
so on and so on.
So initially that school whichis now a law school mecca was
supposed to be like aalternative high school, which
is now law school mecca wassupposed to be like an
alternative high school typeshit, like that's what it was
supposed to be.
Then all those type of brothersback then was going there,
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especially the ones that wasliving in that area.
So when you ask a nation withina nation, what are some of the
other moves that makes me seethat this idea was present is
because us obtaining thatproperty, when a political
authority gives you as a nation,as a tribe, as a people, a
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piece of real estate, you knowthat's an act of trade, that's
the act of commerce, that's theact of good faith.
You know that's the act ofcommerce.
That's the act of good faith.
You know that's the actorsaying listen, I recognize you
Because it was given to us right, basically, in the way of a
land grant would be nowadays.
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However, it was given to us for, for those that don't know, 99
years was the lease.
It was a 99-year lease that wasgiven to us in 1967.
So that was the initial plot ofland that was designed so we
could have a headquarters and wecan grow out from that.
It's in the center of worldcommerce, 125th and New York
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City.
You can't beat a better worldembassy.
But a nation within a nation.
This was always told to thosethat was there that we have to
have something of our own.
But what I'm saying is there'sa misconception that that means
that you're being like, um, whatpeople will call a black
(24:52):
revolutionary not that I'mpersonally anti that idea, but
there's a misconception thatwhat people has seen in the
media as the bang bang, shootthem up type of guy, just f the
law.
That that's how you have tomove forward to for freedom,
just equality.
Now I'm not saying that, um,violence isn't necessary, you
(25:16):
know.
I'm saying in being able tostand ready to defend yourself.
You know I'm not naive.
However, there is a point intime where we're going to have
to ascend to this politicalmaturity and one of the first
steps is the food food security.
You know and and what I'mheading into?
(25:36):
Because food security and menow having experiences as an
apprentice on the farm, takingfood from seed to harvest, and
now starting college inagricultural business like
Ibrahim Traore.
You know food security andthere's a world example right
there that I love to give peoplehow food security could be the
(25:58):
foundations of sovereignty,because if you don't need to
look outside yourself to eat,that means your surplus you can
export and circulate forbusiness and that also means
that you have an abundance offood.
And it also means that this ishow banks are formed, because
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there needs to be a standardbehind your currency.
As you know, a whole notherbuild, but just like if there's
a gold standard or not, or so onand so on.
Fees, real estate, so on and soon.
It's back in the hands of thepeople.
Could be know what is supposedto back our exchange?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
okay, now I want to go into this.
Um, if you have any otherthoughts, um, you have any
anything now?
Um, the whole nge thing, right,let's talk about that.
So, okay, from what I hear,from what I heard, allah was on
his deathbed and he said we areno longer the five percent.
(27:04):
We are no longer fivepercenters, we are now the
nation of gods and earths.
Can you build on that?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I mean, to me that sounds real mystical.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Right right like right before he dies right,
that's so convenient yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So what I'll say is if we look at the latest public
record, we have the oldestguilty, like I spoke about in
the last interview, october 1967.
He says with five percent, okay, he died.
He went home right in june of69, so that's a very short time
(27:47):
period, you know, for him tomake that move.
Now, if I have to look at thisas a judge or a prosecutor or
whatever and have to, how Iwould look at it is Allah was we
know when we took on first 5%of names.
(28:09):
You know about that.
We first took on 5% of names.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, there was a time when Allah said no more
Muslim names 5% don't haveMuslim names.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, so first born Sahin from Medina.
Right Now it's God right.
They went to see Allah inMadawan June 25th 1966.
And the first thing he toldthem was about 5% don't have
Muslim names.
Now it's God's name is Walik.
You know Another example of uscoming to.
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It's about five centers don'thave muslim names.
Now it's god names waleek.
You know another example of uscoming into our own nation.
He's like okay, we had the, youknow, I'm saying the akbars and
the muhammads and so on and soon.
Now we're going to be powerfuland lord this and this that you
know.
That's how it's going to be now.
Those dictations were spreadout and those that were supposed
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to know know.
So to me, I don't know aboutthe deathbed thing.
If he was said that on hisdeathbed or near his death and
then there's no deathbed.
Because where's the deathbed?
Because the law wasassassinated in an elevator in
the middle of the night.
June 13, 69 right so Iunderstand what people might
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exaggerate and get the deathbed,however they say.
Towards the end he was sayingoh, when I'm not here, you'll no
longer be the five percent,you'll now be nation, guys,
earth.
Okay, my thing is from the pastand what I see in his track
record of making sure all theorders get out to everyone
they're supposed to get to, justlike with the names, just like
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where we have the school.
Just like with handing outflags and so on and so on, just
like with who we're supposed toteach where the firstborn.
If he told everyone that, whywouldn't he tell everyone the
name change?
That don't make sense.
And you're going to tell me thename change.
That don't make sense.
And you're gonna tell meuniversal sam, god don't know.
Our name change right saim don'tknow our name change.
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Black messiah don't know ourname change.
You know you're telling me thatall these guys come on.
So with that, what I'll say isthat's true.
How God's supreme teacher?
Right, because there's onepoint in what you said
(30:35):
no-transcript.
He's now the guy he was sayingthis towards the end of his you
know, physical life.
So that's false.
Because another, that's falsebecause allah was already
calling them and they wasalready knowing they was gods
before that, you know, I'msaying, when we had stuff like
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the minister's book that's awhole nother history and when we
had, uh, certain things thatwas given out as ranking
organization, when a lot changedand tweaked and reneged on some
of these things, he was tellingthem it's because y'all, gods,
y'all need to have ranks ofauthority over each other.
(31:17):
Just all you need is rank andresponsibilities, basically, you
know.
So with the nation of gods andearths it's more like and that's
what I said basically aboutsupreme, break it down, but it's
more of a description.
I think, personally, that it gotturned a description that law
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used to say y'all are the godsand earths, y'all the gods and
earths, y'all gods and earths.
Right, because in tape he evensaid woman is earth you plant in
, just like this earth you buildon.
You know, he was calling themgods and earths and I think that
that turned into that rumor andthey kind of.
They ran with it.
That's how I, that's how Ithink about it and I'm speaking
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careful because I know Dumarpersonally.
I knew Dumar, I knew Allah bepersonally.
You know what I'm saying.
I used to write for the BibleCenter.
I don't know G Khalilpersonally, but he publishes
that paper.
Don't know g khalid personally,but he publishes that paper and
this is the crew that teachesthat.
You know I'm saying that allahtold them they would now be x, y
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and z.
What I have to say about that,in knowing one, I stay to what
happened in my day and time inthis right.
However, from the authority,the brothers above me that would
know better almost nobodyagrees to that.
I'm just being real.
Out of all of them that washere ever, that was from the
first I, almost none of themagree to that.
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It's just that those four orfive people that say when allah
was new, he just knew he wasgoing, he was having these
senses, he was going to die andhe started to tell us to change
the name, and so I'll leave thatat that.
What I say is if people, we'rethe five percent nation, right
as we are, because that's whatwe grew into, but he was just,
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if we really be real, he wasjust saying five percenters, if
we really really be real, he wassaying five percenters.
Then it was developing intobecause y'all, my five
percenters, y'all are now mynation.
So that, okay, five percentnation.
And when the description cameof what we, the five percenters,
the gods and earth, I thinkpersonally they ran with the
(33:26):
nation of gods and earth whenit's more than five percent.
Nation of gods and earth ismore than a description of what
the five percent is right Right.
You know what I'm saying.
That's how I'm, you know 5%.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Nation of gods and earths.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Right of you know, it's not that our name is the
nation of gods and earths.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, and even universal sham gods, when,
before he returned, he waswriting in the Son of man you
know about.
So the idea again you're askingabout points on, we're supposed
to be moving towardsnationalism.
He was writing about differentcouncils should be made in every
state in Cypher, and you knowthat we should go towards an
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official name Because this issuewas back in the 80s.
So what I'm saying is why I say5% nationalism is because
there's things that we have todo.
Allah ain't walking around,justice ain't walking around,
the first born, most of themgone.
So it's up to us to create thepolitical theory.
(34:31):
It's up to us to takeeverything that's out there on
nationalism and what bring itinto the best part, as we say,
and then we can say okay, withthe foundation of land as the
basis of freedom, and we knowthat quote-unquote hate and so
on and so on isn't aprerequisite to your sovereignty
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we should, just as gods.
It's just common sense.
It's not even that deep to me.
It's common sense that weshould be trying to build our
own.
That's simply what 5%nationalism is to me.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
OK, now.
Now I'm sure you have somesuggestions or ideas as to where
you know we should build this.
You know from, you know weshould maybe purchase land this
you know from.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You know we should maybe purchase land, right,
that's a that's a good question.
So there are several methods ofland acquisition and my method
of land acquisition that I wouldsuggest could vary because it
depends on what we're capable of.
You know, before I go into themethodology of land acquisition,
what I'll talk about is yourfirst question, where I would
(35:41):
suggest and where my ideas wouldbe, and I'm going to go back to
how we've been pushing for awhile.
As far as Black folks, theBlack Belt South to me is still
the most consistent Black farms.
It still has the mostconsistent Black ownership in
(36:01):
counties.
You know what I'm saying.
It still has from the DeepSouth.
We know that's known to beBlack, you know.
But that idea spans back thatnations of the world already
recognize this as a place forblack people to consider
themselves because a nationwithin a nation.
(36:22):
That term right was actually umrecognized by stalin, and
stalin at that time of thecommunist world, the fascist
world and so on and so on.
Through the communists, blacknationalists in America
(36:42):
recognized the Black Belt Southas a nation within a nation.
So on a worldwide level, blacknationalists have already put
out there that the reasons andthe history, because other
people don't know our history.
Russia don't know our history,tanzania doesn't necessarily
know our history, ghana don'tknow our history.
(37:03):
They don't know most of us wasin the south.
We went up to new york andchicago and la and the great
migration, and now a lot of usgoing back and they don't know
our ancestral travels.
So the black belt self onebecause it still has the
population and two because underum force, you know, we already
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built a agricultural empire downthere.
So to me, if we do the work inthe same place with our own
hands and benefit from itourselves, it could work much
easier, or it could work in ourbenefit, I'll say, as opposed to
our demise.
I think we could benefit fromthe agricultural South because
(37:45):
there's already a renewal and arenaissance that is going on.
So if we talk about the Blacknation, so-called
African-Americansicans, where Iwould suggest we do that as a
whole, the south and where I wastoday, the five percent nation
as a nation within that nation,technically we do it in the
south.
I yeah the well.
(38:06):
I'll go to the gulf of mexico,which they're trying to change
(38:26):
to the gulf of america, is oneof the uh biggest uh economic
hubs and ports in the world.
So being in proximity to thatwould guarantee us export and
import you know so, as well asthe eastern seaboard right,
which we know is gulletterritory.
And that leads me to the otherhistorical reference of today's
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the 15th.
There's something called aspecial field order number 15.
When the Civil War was over,abraham Lincoln and General I
want to say it was TacomaSherman, something like that
they enacted special field ordernumber 15, where they went and
asked Black people in the South,the Black leaders, the pastors,
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the nationalists and so on andso on, what you want?
Do you want to be a part ofAmerica or do you want to
separate into your own nationand build your own land?
And we too chose to build ourown land and not become part of
America.
This is pre 13th, 14thamendment, and special field
order number 15 was enacted andBlack people all went to the
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Gullah Coast in masses.
Because what Special Field Orderno 15 was?
A land permission granted bythe president and the general
who won the last war in theSouth, to give the coast of
North Carolina, starting insouthern North Carolina all the
way down to the tip of NorthernFlorida and 30 miles inward, was
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to be an independent territoryfor the New Freed Black man.
And it's my personal politicalopinion that President Abraham
Lincoln was assassinated becauseof this, because, post his
assassination, who was his vicepresident?
Was it Jefferson, one of them?
They came right in and tookback special field order number
(40:18):
15.
And that's what made us, insteadof building an agricultural
empire, that's what turned usinto sharecroppers, and having a
mistreatment in thesharecropping is what caused all
our great-grandparents to sellall that land and do like mine
in the early 1900s to go up toNew Jersey, go work in New York
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at the railroad.
My people is from Lynchburg,virginia, real black folks.
My folks is from Macon, georgia, on the other side, real black
folks.
So I understand the wholelineage thing.
But, yeah, that would be someof the other benefits that port.
And that's the history ofspecial field order number 15.
(40:58):
So if I was on a world stage,what I would ask or what I would
put towards the world is thatwe already chose what we wanted
to do pre 13th, 14th amendmentdue to special field order
number 15, and it was taken back.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Okay, all right.
So now, as far as politically,how do you think the 5% should
present itself to the nationinside the nation?
How should the nation presentitself to the nation?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right, good, okay, so you have the American nation,
right, then you have what we'llsay the black nation, right,
african-american, so-called, andso on.
So what I think how we shouldpresent ourselves is one how we
already are as far as knowledgeitself, how you come in, already
(41:57):
are as far as knowledgeyourself.
How you come in, because thatputs you in a cultural setting,
right, so you can one identifywith who we are and our identity
isn't just broad and misty,it's not, you know, I'm saying
uh to be mistaken for anythingelse.
So I would one, like I've beendoing, clarify who we are to the
people.
We should speak for ourselves.
And once clarified who we areto the people, we should speak
for ourselves.
And once clarified who we are,what I want five percenters to
(42:19):
know, and what I want everyoneelse to know, is that it is OK
for us to want to speak as apart of the black community.
A lot of us run from that, likewe don't want to be a part of
the black community, like wejust something else.
Like the five percent is a blacknation.
It was founded in Harlem, whenHarlem was the Atlanta, you know
(42:40):
.
Like, come on.
So this comes from our peoplefor our people to have freedom,
justice, equality.
And we are also here with thosein the conscious community,
(43:00):
those within the Black community, that know, yes, we need to do
what I would say a federation, aunion, what you would call
politically a united front.
I think we can achieve thattogether right, like a plan,
like a pan-Afric-americanism, as, if you will, you know that we
can have a pan uh black man, youknow as far as all together
(43:22):
coming as something thataccumulated here and it's okay
for you to say this is my nation, I'm from the morris tribe,
this is my nation, I'm from here, this is my nation, I'm from
here just like everyone else do,and sit down and say this is
our federation.
But I'm saying to everyone elseand to 5% it's okay for us to
have a seat at the table.
Like I said, it doesn't meanyou're anti-white, pro-black,
(43:44):
whatever people want to argueabout.
Being against anyone is not aprerequisite for you to be for
yourself, unless they're in yourway and we know that story, you
know, unless they're in yourway, and that's.
we know that story, you knowthat's the obvious.
So you're saying the same withAmerica.
So that's how we let Blackpeople know yo, we're here, we
want to build a nation.
We're not just trying to tellyou, oh, fuck your religion,
(44:05):
fuck your God.
No, we're here to stand side byside for you and still reach
for what Happiness, just not inwhat A savage way, or the
pursuit of happiness is not as asavage.
And I will come to America, likeI said, presenting a special
field order, number 15,presenting all the different
(44:27):
land grants that was given tothe HBCUs, like NCAMT, you know,
and so on, and so on.
That was supposed to help usbuild a community based off the
expertise we already had.
And it was one more thing thatand I will present to the United
States and the world over thatall attempts at what they call
rebellions, revolts right, allattempts at post-rebellion and
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revolt area of Black politicalorganization was subconsciously
it was actually an act of nationbuilding.
It was really us organicallyand subconsciously wanting to
build a nation for ourselves.
And it's been mistaken for andit's been coerced to be
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assimilation.
And that's my biggest problemthat everyone you assume black
nationalism is an assimilation,to become equal in whatever
society, when in reality I thinkeveryone should have their own
choice.
That's what I'll say.
I would say to america.
I would say to black americathat Black people one and five
(45:36):
percenters, the five percentnation need to come to the
political maturity to know Freeimmigration because we have a
lot of brothers from differentnations Free, civil and I'll say
immigration when those statesare in their current status,
because there was always blacksgoing back and forth between the
islands all these hundreds ofyears.
(45:57):
That's a whole nother bill, butfree, all of this.
We had a decision to build anation for ourselves and that's
okay to still want this and youneed to decide that if you want
to be American, you're going tobe American.
It's not just going to be aBlack-white thing.
(46:18):
If you want true equality inthis country, you need to come
to a political maturity whereyou say there's no distinction
of its peoples.
Or?
The second decision, these fourmajor decisions, what I would
present to the world if theylistened right now that first
one, that Black people shouldtake an evaluation of the second
decision, would be do you wantto return to a modern day
country of your ancestry, whichyou know is the thing a lot of
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people do?
My third point that I wouldbring that people should have a
political maturity to present orthink about is do you want to
go to another country?
Maybe that's not your ancestrythat still accepts people.
You can go to Canada.
There's citizenship routesRight now, even as massage
therapists.
They want so much morehealthcare workers.
They're expediting citizenshipof massage therapists.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Where Canada?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yup, right now it just happened like two years ago
, and the fourth decision wouldbe to make a Black nation of
your own right here.
I don't think it's necessary togo all these other places okay,
so five percent nation at fivepercent nation.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
It's its own nation, right yeah, yes because, we
developed into and we're stilldeveloping into right now, let's
say, we're presenting that tothe, to, to the american
government.
So we have our own nation, ourown flag, our own plot of land,
right?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
okay, or we might not have the land yet okay we could
be because, okay, okay, so wewere supposed to talk about land
acquisition, right?
Right.
So you said purchase, purchaseis one idea, but historically
there's also treaty.
Historically there's also gifts, right, historically, there's
(48:09):
the part we don't want to talkabout conquest.
You know, there's severalmethods of land acquisition,
whether it be conquest, whetherit be treaty, whether it be a
gift, whether it be a mutualagreement, whether it be an
annex.
You know I'm saying of land toor from another place.
There's several methods.
(48:30):
It's not just purchase.
So any of those methods, like Isaid, land grant acts come with
hundreds of acres.
Like the HBCUs, I would saygive us a land grant, give us a
thousand acres in Georgia,because I'm also, as far as me,
being an agriculturalist andworrying and having a thought
(48:52):
about the world economy and nottaking more than you need.
We only need so much land.
We don't need no millions ofacres for us.
We'll grow into what we have inneed okay.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So my point I'm the point I'm making is we have,
let's say, we have a land.
We have how we got it.
We have land, we have our ownflag.
You know, we're our own nation.
Now, how are we presentingourselves to the american
government on a political front?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
well to me, you're not going to be okay.
This is what I said.
We're already our own nationbecause we're a people, right,
that's.
That's the constitution of thenation.
But what I'm talking about isthe difference between a nation
and a nation state, rightBetween a nation and a nation
state.
A nation could be a nationwithin a nation, like we're
(49:47):
talking about, but if they don'thave any political sovereignty,
they're just a nation.
They're not a nation state.
Mexicans have a nation statecalled Mexico, but there is
Mexican people of the Mexicannation who live in America.
They're a nation in a nation bythat way.
There are Jewish people who arecitizens of Israel and they are
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a nation within a nation bycreating whole towns over here.
However, they still have anation state.
They're not just a nationwithin a nation, subject to
someone else's politicalauthority.
So, when it comes to how I'llpresent myself to them, is that
what we need to build as a Blackpeople is something provisional
(50:29):
.
It's what you call aprovisional government.
It's what you call is agovernment or organized group,
which it doesn't have to begovernment in the form people
think.
Just, our parliament is ourgovernment, so our parliament
should have the authority rightto go to this government like
you're talking about, and how Iwill present myself to them is
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one.
We have the history of the flag, we have the history of the
school that's already there, sowe have a history of them being
on our side towards independence, and then what I would do is
let them know we want to, orbuild on the idea of
transitioning from a nation to anation state, and that I don't
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think that, because you have aplot of land that that's your
nation, this has to berecognized by other people.
So I would ask them torecognize us the same way
morocco recognized them rightthat's what I would do.
I would ask them to recognize usand show how we could benefit
um as partners.
(51:34):
But you have to do that throughcreating national products,
which is why I'm intoagriculture.
You have to do that by creatinga worthy trade to these nations
Because, historically, specialfield order number 15, I would
present that because, eventhough we're the 5% nation, most
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of our lineage in history hasto do with those black folks in
the south okay, so it wouldn'tbe a whole complicated situation
.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
I would bring back the what he had with barry and
marylis all right, uh, to be anation, people must accept their
nationality, have a nationalseal, national constitution and
national land and a nationalflag.
Okay, that's peace.
(52:26):
Yeah, that's peace.
Now another question so nowwe're recognized, yeah, ok, how
are we voting?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
OK.
Now, like I said, and what Iwant to reiterate is so people
don't think I'm coming as anauthoritarian over five
percenters and what I'mpresenting to you because that's
the issue in the nation Peoplesay this is what we're doing.
I'm going to go to the UN andrepresent us, and no, what I'm
saying is we need to build atheoretical framework and an
(53:02):
action plan for what we're doingpolitically.
We got enough bright minds todo it.
We just can't be scared ormisled to present ourselves that
that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
So really, it states your question present ourselves
that that's not what we're doing.
So really states your question.
So what I said is uh, we haveland.
Oh yeah, how are we presentingout?
How are we presenting ourselvesin a political field?
Are we voting?
Speaker 2 (53:26):
oh, the voting, the voting.
Okay, now, if we wereindependent, we would be
independent of the americanvoting system, but our own
voting system you asking about.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh, you're saying we're totally independent, so we
don't vote in America.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Well, to me independence means like
independence, like you vote foryour own.
I'm saying, if I got 1,000,5,000, 100 acres in Texas, in
Florida, whatever, havingbillions of acres isn't a
prerequisite to sovereignty.
I'm saying, if you have enoughland to be self-sufficient and
(54:05):
self-productive, you can be agood trade partner to the world,
no matter the scale.
So I'm talking completeindependence.
The only vote I think blackpeople need to do in america, or
what I uh would say, how shouldthe five percent come as a
voting block?
(54:25):
If we were to vote, I think weshould come as a block, right,
that, okay, there's ten thousand, five percenters, twenty
thousand, five centers,primarily on the East Coast and
spread out through so and so.
We have pool and X, y and Z.
We can, as a block lobby youknow what I'm saying and pull
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certain resources, but that's if.
Out of those four options, ifyour goal is assimilation, I say
that no one should tell no onewhat to do as a 5% nation.
It doesn't make you indifferent nations if a 5%
citizen wants to stay in Americaand another one wants to build
a 5% nation.
That's why I gave the exampleof Mexico, because Mexico has a
(55:11):
state, but there's proudMexicans in America.
Just because they're not underthe political authority of
Mexico doesn't mean that they'renot part of the Mexican people.
So it's the same way that thosefive percenters that want to
fully assimilate and stay inAmerica and be good citizens and
all this shit God's beentalking about, they can do that.
They can do that.
(55:31):
However, that doesn't negatethat there should be room for
minds within the nation to wanta political destiny for
ourselves, right?
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Indeed, indeed, indeed.
On that note, let's, let's stophere.
I would like to keep buildingon this.
This was a great build, becausewhat I I wanted to talk about
how would you present, I guessyou, you know, how would you
treaty because I alwaysmentioned this a while back
about how you know, the fivepercent nation can treaty with
(56:06):
moors, do business with moorscan do business but we need that
united front that'll be, aunited front, a federation a
federation.
That's what you said earlier,right, that's what we should and
I'm federation.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
That's what you said earlier.
Right, that's what we shouldand I'm presenting we should.
That's what I mean by what isthe 5% as a nation gonna present
to the black community?
It's time.
You know one of the guys, oneof the older guys, born and
everlasting actually.
He say hey, god, you know theblack man's.
God is old news.
My man, Everybody fucking knowalready already.
Look at the internet.
All right, I'm 31, the 31stdegree, and the 136 asked what
(56:40):
then?
What happened then?
That's what I'm here to showthen, what happened.
That's what I'm here to show,right, not how long or what it
takes to do first to make devil.
We know it takes first startgraphing from the original man.
However, what I'm here to do iswhat?
Unite, and I'm not gonna relyon these older brothers
(57:01):
bickering and arguing about thedestiny of our nation.
That's why I wouldn't have fivesons already I'm only fucking
30, because I know we need themanpower right, indeed, indeed,
indeed.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
So this um this united front yeah we're gonna
have this conversation.
We're gonna have this united.
We're gonna have this unitedfront conversation.
That's a great way to end it.
So let's keep that in mindeverybody, united front, united
front.
Thank you, god.
Peace of god be knowledge.
I really appreciate you.
Thank you to everyone in thechat.
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Speaker 2 (01:34):
No problem, all is well, man, you know all is well.
Can continue and elevate, youknow, as we should indeed,
indeed.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So we're talking about today's uh podcast is
about five percent nationalism,five percent nationalism.
So, um, I want you to explainthat okay.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, we left off last time, you know, kind of
getting headway into nationalismand my origin in that world,
you know.
So first I gotta say how webecame a nation.
You know so as a five percent.
You know allah, his comrades.
They were in temple numberseven.
(02:16):
You know where malcolm x wasthe minister and uh, basically
soon before, right beforeMalcolm X left, allah left, you
know, and he, knowing hislessons, knew who the 5%, 10%,
85% was and running with thisidea and teaching that the black
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man is.
God and teaching that there isno mystery God.
And teaching what that theblack man is God.
And teaching that there is nomystery God.
And teaching what civilization,teaching young brothers right,
how to go from boys to men, togods, that was essentially the
reality of that day and time.
We're talking about 1963, youknow, when some of the first
first that either are first bornor introduced the first born to
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the knowledge when they camearound, firstborn, or introduce
the firstborns to the knowledgewhen they came around.
So when 63 had waned into 64,when things started to heat up
and going with this notion ofbeing a five percent or five
percent or five percentaccording to those lessons, he
knew right, living that out, themajority of the population, as
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the honorable Elijah Muhammadteaches.
So if you're not familiar withthe lessons, right, these are
questions and answers from themost honorable Elijah Muhammad
and his teacher.
So these lessons helps right,allah, the founder, the father
of our nation, the 5%, to havefurther realization of himself.
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Right and further uminvestigation into himself and
when he found that, just likethe lessons were saying, you
know, he was allah.
Just like the original man isallah and god, like the lessons
teach, and so on and so on.
He started to bring this outinto his community and teach to
make a long story short on wherethe notion of five percent
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comes from, because theselessons teach 85 percent are the
masses, that are uncivilizedpeople, right, they don't know
their origin in this world.
They believe in a mysteriousgod.
Right, they just are easily ledin the wrong direction, and so
they're led by the 10%, whichbrings us up to 95% of the
population.
So it's basically saying that aminority rules the majority,
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like in politics, like inreligion and dogma and so on and
so on.
And this minority in particularthat Elijah Muhammad was
speaking about, was the minoritythat leads the masses to
believe that the almighty, true,living God is a spook and
cannot be seen by the physicaleye.
Now, this minority bloodsucksthe poor and what the rest of
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the masses, rich or poor, intobelieving that there's a power
outside of themselves, so thatthey easily give authority
outside of themselves.
So that they easily giveauthority outside of themselves
Psychological warfare, right.
So the 10% controls the 85%.
Not just in religion, but inall facets of life, people are
generally easily led in thewrong direction through just how
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humanity has been trained for awhile Left is the 5%, as the
lesson speaks that they are theones who know who the true and
living god is and who teach whothe true and living god is right
.
We're the ones that teachcivilization right to our
brothers and sisters in themasses, right to bring them into
a fold of righteousness.
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This is how this story, or theorigin in this world, began.
Allah is teaching this.
He's teaching the meaning ofcivilization One having
knowledge, wisdom, understanding, culture and refinement is not
a savage in the pursuit ofhappiness.
Right, he's teaching the dutyof the civilized person that
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knows that.
He's teaching that there is nomystery, god that right, the son
of man, right humanity,prophets, messengers, so on and
so on, have searched for andinterpreted for, and so on and
so on, for this mystery God fortrillions of years.
However, none of these menactually what led anybody to God
.
So he said you got to look atthe man in the what, the mirror.
So the man in the mirror becamewhat, the one who's responsible
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for the world we're in.
We say all the above is causedby the Son of man, essentially
us as the black man.
Right, the conditions we're inare a result, in some type of
way of our ways and actions.
Right Fast forward 5 percent,10 percent, 85 percent.
Allah is teaching us and hiscomrades are teaching us.
The brothers who he first%.
Allah is teaching us and hiscomrades are teaching us.
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The brothers who he firststarted teaching are teaching us
.
Now.
We're becoming a nation for acouple reasons.
One thing we can get clearanyone who has this teaching
knows about the firstborn.
I'll stick to the firstborn ofMecca now.
I'll stick to the firstborn ofMecca now.
The firstborn, contrary topopular belief, is not someone
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who first got the knowledge oris not someone who was one of
Allah's first students or firstfruit or anything like that.
Those were designations, thosewere ranks and positions, those
were seats of authority thatwere mandated to particular
brothers that was qualified toteach all right, can you explain
that?
right, okay.
So usually people would thinkyou know, you heard the
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firstborn.
Everyone gets introduced tomessiah as-salam firstborn
prince yohara, so on and so on.
However, it's usually thoughtthat these are Allah's first
students, these are the firstones that got the knowledge,
hence the firstborn right,because born in Supreme
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Mathematics is nine.
So they have this thing wherethey say that the firstborn are
Allah's first nine students.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Hold on.
Thank you, joey.
Thank you, joey, peace to you,really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Peace.
Now, the firstborn are reallythose who are born in a mental
state and a way of thinking thatwas being manifested, because
you know how, in the church,right, they say you born again
when you come into Jesus Christ,right?
So if we deal with what theycall nowadays Christ
consciousnessesus, right.
So if we're dealing with whatthey call nowadays christ
consciousness, right, if we'redealing with what jesus being
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just us and us being the son ofman, because a lot was teaching
that we, the new god, we thewhat black baby jesus that they
don't know about we're the onesright.
What we have to bring them toan understanding of what.
We're the ones right.
What we have to bring them tounderstanding what we're talking
about, because what we have isnot what been revealed in this
type of way, the actual realitythat there is no mystery god.
(08:53):
So the first born peopleusually think that means the
first nine allah taught, whenthat just really means certain
brothers who got that positionand qualification from him.
It's more of a title, aposition in the rank don't mean
the first born right, don't meanto cut you so.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So are you saying that a law structured it based
on, like captain and lieutenant?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
that's exactly what I'm saying.
He just didn't call it that.
He said you know what?
Y'all, my first born.
Basically, that's how it went.
So the firstborn are the onesthat what were the first really
qualified to go.
What do they think?
For instance, like God Supreme,he got it before some of them
(09:38):
and he ain't no firstborn, youknow.
He came through one of them andhad even a closer relationship
with the law than some of them.
However, I'm saying that toclarify one what that is.
They were the qualified.
Those are the ones that Allahsaid you go here, you go here,
you do this.
And they were the first born,the first born of his what
Mindset and what he was doing.
(10:00):
Also, saying that to segue intoour building into a nation,
because when you're starting todo things like this, you go from
just a movement or a teachingor just what's going on in the
street to starting to organizeyour people into a nation.
Now, what he was teaching atthe time was yes, y'all are my
5%.
However, I'm now building y'allinto my nation.
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However, I'm now building y'allinto my nation.
This is what he's teachingGod's freedom and other brothers
, because, going intoinvestigation of lessons,
because everything is real.
He would teach on Yaqub to givehim understanding of nation
building, no-transcript nation.
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So he said, the black, brownand yellow that Yaqub used in
that day to graft the nation ofhis own, I'm going to use,
instead of what, separating theseeds like he did, the black
from the brown, brown from theyellow, and so on.
I'm going to unite the seeds bytaking the seeds and the
nations within nations of black,brown, yellow, so on.
I'm going to unite the seeds bytaking the seeds and the
nations within nations of black,brown and yellow.
Right, and that's the what, theConstitution right, the buildup
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of what I'm doing in today'sday and time.
That's what was just naturallyorganically going on.
It didn't just start like, oh,I'm coming to make a separate
nation or da-da-da, anythinglike that.
He was just being him, he wasbuilding, teaching and he came
into okay, now we're building awhat?
Nation?
So nation, right, and that alsogoes into like born, because
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nation right, the root to thatis the same as like natal, like
what you're born into, likenativity, right.
It's also right, the same as umnature.
And if you look at theetymology of the word nature, it
talks about something you'reborn into.
It talks about innate things,something you already have Right
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.
So our nature became our nationbecause us living out who we
was, us having our first bornright, presenting to us the
nature of the original man,which is god, us living out that
divinity, that nature becameour nation.
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So I've been going for thatsince forever.
However, the teachings of whothe five percent was that sped
up into what allah realized.
Okay, I got something going.
Here's hundreds and thousandsof these guys and these women
out here, so this is somethingthat's organically building into
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a nation.
Look at all these black, brown,yellow brothers and sisters
coming into the knowledge ofthemselves in the time of the
60s through many differentfacets, and they all started
gravitating towards him.
The nation was becoming whatthe nation and he was teaching
that.
They were a nation within anation.
That's another concept I wantto bring up, because what I'm
doing is showing that we aresupposed to be headed into
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independence and governance ofourselves, and whenever that
conversation gets brought up, itis put in the same realm of
being anti-government oranti-white or something like
that, and what I'm here to sayis that being anti-American or
anti-government is not aprerequisite for sovereignty.
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Again, being anti-government,being anti-American, being
anti-white is not a prerequisitebefore the original people on
this land to be who they are andbeing a nation within a nation,
which is a teaching that a lotof those repeat.
Allah would say.
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If they would look at theclimate, the political climate
of that time, they would knowthat a nation within a nation is
a political term, that a nationwithin a nation is a political
term because the nations of theworld of that time that were
freeing themselves from theauthority of imperial britain,
imperial imperial france rightimperial spain, imperial
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portugal and so on and so on,these nations were now nations
within nations.
So the term nation withinnation is one to represent and
mean a nation who was capturedby another nation and now they
have complete obedience or asemi-authority under that nation
or empire.
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And it also means, like whathappened with our people, like
what happened with our peopleNow.
I say 5% of nationalism becauseone it started with what grew
naturally as black people,so-called right, being a nation
within a nation here in America.
How did that happen?
All the tribes of Africa rightWest Africa, central West Africa
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, all along the coast and, to befair I'll say, a lot of the
tribes are original people fromhere.
Over a four or five hundredyear process, we melted right
into the several nations thatbecame Black people in America,
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right?
Jamaicans in Jamaica, haitiansin Haiti.
The difference is they havesovereignty, as in Haiti,
semi-sovereignty, as in Jamaica,or assimilation, as in Black
people here in America.
So I'm building this thing upso we understand the terminology
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and politics and where we're atas a people and how Black
people, like I'm saying, becamea nation within a nation,
because over time, we developedinto a distinct ethnic group,
what people call AfricanAmerican.
When people say Black nigga,whatever, whatever, all over the
world, it's known exactly whatnation you're talking about.
Now we're a nation within anation, obviously, um, because
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of the inquisition, right of theeuropean states that got
together and also, in the sameway, became what?
A nation of nations.
So all the tribes of africa,right, because we know we're
igbo, yoruba, manday, so on andso on.
And then we got grandfathersand grandmothers say cherokee,
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and so on and so on.
So we know that we're acombination of all those
original people.
The white folks had the samething going on.
Right, I'm still at blacknationalism and white
nationalism, clearing upnationalism, because they're a
culmination of the Germans, theSpanish, the Italians, the
British and so on and so on,that left that nation to build
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this nation and fought thosenations who their ancestry is
from to build America, nationswho their ancestry is from to
build America.
So these two separate nations,right, became one nation.
On this land, however, onedominated, leaving Black people,
a nation within a nation, adistinct culture, history,
bloodline, genealogy and so onand so on.
And a nation within a nation.
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Now, those hundreds of years ofus transforming into this new
man, the black man in thewilderness of North America.
Right, what happened?
The latter 20th century, mid20th century, the black people,
coming into the knowledge ofthemselves, started to now
create nations within the blacknation.
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Now we come out and say, okay,we have the Hebrew nation, the
Amor Black nation.
Now we come out and say, okay,we have the Hebrew nation, the
Amorite nation, we have the 5%nation.
Now, black people went from anation within a nation to even
now, even under the authority ofImperial America, still
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building culturally intriguingnations within the now black
nation.
So what I'm saying is, as 5percent, and we introduce a 5
percent nationalism, what weneed to do is being the most
intelligent thinkers on theplanet Earth.
Right, we need to with withmental right maturity, with
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spiritual authority, maturityshould come, a political
maturity.
So we need to come to the pointwhere we theorize and we have
think tanks on who, what, whenwe're five percent.
Nationalism is because, thoughI can be, uh, initiative, the
same way, uh, a mal would be, orthe same way a Mao would be, or
the same way a GeorgeWashington would be, and so on
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and so on.
We still have to manifest ourdestiny now, becoming one of
those nations within the Blacknation, and do something for
ourselves.
Our goal was always supposed tobe land, freedom, justice,
equality for ourselves, but oneday, as a 5%, we'd have to have
land for ourselves.
So now I think, with all thehigh science we have, we should
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be able to come to a maturity ofindependence and territory.
And, like I said, theprerequisite to that is not
coming against anyone, it's juststanding on your square and
developing um, not evendeveloping, but the plan is
there, but moving forward withthe power that we already have.
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And I don't know if you want tosay something, because I was
going to how we could do thatpeace.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You hear me?
yeah, now I do okay, okay now,um, I wanted to ask uh, being
that you know you did say a lawum said he said something about
nationalism, a nation within anation, right, he said that.
So I want you to, you know,expound on that.
(20:02):
And what I noticed another movewas, you know, not him only
working with uh, barry garthurand um, um also sham got
universal sham guard with theflag, like it all.
It started to look like he wasmoving in a like a nationalism
kind of you know a way.
(20:24):
So if you could kind of expoundon other moves he made, right,
solidify your point right, right.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So with the flag, that's a good point, because
anyone that looks at the historyof the world, you know creating
a flag is an act ofemancipation.
That's the act of you know.
You know what I'm saying.
Separating and saying this isnow the authority that I'm under
.
Like the Americans say, Ipledge allegiance to the flag.
When you have a flag, you'renow saying this is my, what
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Banner?
So that's one point and one weknow he had a military
background, decorated soldier,so he wasn't dumb or numb or
naive to the idea what we neededto do to succeed.
Now the common misconception isthat he was totally
assimilative.
Now there's assimilation andthere's separation.
Separation doesn't meansegregation.
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Separation means that I'm notbeing treated right, I have the
right to one do for self toavoid that mistreatment.
And also it's just a humanright If you've held down a
territory, a history, a cultureand so on and so on that you
naturally developed into a saidnation.
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But about the nation within thenation.
The flag was the point.
His dealing with Barry andMayor Lindsey and so on and so
on was the point.
Like you said.
This was for those that don'tknow, this was the mayor at the
time of New York City.
You know what I'm saying.
His name was Mayor Lindsey andhe had an aide, the mayor's man,
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who was Barry Goffman, right,and Allah was teaching both of
them at this time.
And what he's talking about isthat when Allah needed our flags
, the buttons we wear on thelapel right If you've ever seen
like this in the thumbnail andso on and so on, the mayor of
New York City had those printedfor us and gave those to us to
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distribute for our nation.
So now, another point to how wecan come into our political
maturity is that the school wehave was given right towards the
1967.
When a law came home fromMatawan and he was meeting with
ABC X, y and Z, they asked himwhat he wanted, right, and he
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wanted a place to teach his fivepercenters.
Right, he wanted to continuewhat he was doing without being
up in everyone else's face.
So the block that they wasalready teaching on right became
what urban league streetacademy.
Initially, because the urbanleague is the source, just like
there's non-profits and so on.
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And nowadays that was teachingin there, getting brothers day,
gd, sending brothers to collegewith um, different programs, and
so on and so on.
So initially that school whichis now a law school mecca was
supposed to be like aalternative high school, which
is now law school mecca wassupposed to be like an
alternative high school typeshit, like that's what it was
supposed to be.
Then all those type of brothersback then was going there,
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especially the ones that wasliving in that area.
So when you ask a nation withina nation, what are some of the
other moves that makes me seethat this idea was present is
because us obtaining thatproperty, when a political
authority gives you as a nation,as a tribe, as a people, a
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piece of real estate, you knowthat's an act of trade, that's
the act of commerce, that's theact of good faith.
You know that's the act ofcommerce.
That's the act of good faith.
You know that's the actorsaying listen, I recognize you
Because it was given to us right, basically, in the way of a
land grant would be nowadays.
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However, it was given to us for, for those that don't know, 99
years was the lease.
It was a 99-year lease that wasgiven to us in 1967.
So that was the initial plot ofland that was designed so we
could have a headquarters and wecan grow out from that.
It's in the center of worldcommerce, 125th and New York
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City.
You can't beat a better worldembassy.
But a nation within a nation.
This was always told to thosethat was there that we have to
have something of our own.
But what I'm saying is there'sa misconception that that means
that you're being like, um, whatpeople will call a black
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revolutionary not that I'mpersonally anti that idea, but
there's a misconception thatwhat people has seen in the
media as the bang bang, shootthem up type of guy, just f the
law.
That that's how you have tomove forward to for freedom,
just equality.
Now I'm not saying that, um,violence isn't necessary, you
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know.
I'm saying in being able tostand ready to defend yourself.
You know I'm not naive.
However, there is a point intime where we're going to have
to ascend to this politicalmaturity and one of the first
steps is the food food security.
You know and and what I'mheading into?
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Because food security and menow having experiences as an
apprentice on the farm, takingfood from seed to harvest, and
now starting college inagricultural business like
Ibrahim Traore.
You know food security andthere's a world example right
there that I love to give peoplehow food security could be the
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foundations of sovereignty,because if you don't need to
look outside yourself to eat,that means your surplus you can
export and circulate forbusiness and that also means
that you have an abundance offood.
And it also means that this ishow banks are formed, because
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there needs to be a standardbehind your currency.
As you know, a whole notherbuild, but just like if there's
a gold standard or not, or so onand so on.
Fees, real estate, so on and soon.
It's back in the hands of thepeople.
Could be know what is supposedto back our exchange?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
okay, now I want to go into this.
Um, if you have any otherthoughts, um, you have any
anything now?
Um, the whole nge thing, right,let's talk about that.
So, okay, from what I hear,from what I heard, allah was on
his deathbed and he said we areno longer the five percent.
(27:04):
We are no longer fivepercenters, we are now the
nation of gods and earths.
Can you build on that?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I mean, to me that sounds real mystical.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Right right like right before he dies right,
that's so convenient yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So what I'll say is if we look at the latest public
record, we have the oldestguilty, like I spoke about in
the last interview, october 1967.
He says with five percent, okay, he died.
He went home right in june of69, so that's a very short time
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period, you know, for him tomake that move.
Now, if I have to look at thisas a judge or a prosecutor or
whatever and have to, how Iwould look at it is Allah was we
know when we took on first 5%of names.
(28:09):
You know about that.
We first took on 5% of names.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, there was a time when Allah said no more
Muslim names 5% don't haveMuslim names.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, so first born Sahin from Medina.
Right Now it's God right.
They went to see Allah inMadawan June 25th 1966.
And the first thing he toldthem was about 5% don't have
Muslim names.
Now it's God's name is Walik.
You know Another example of uscoming to.
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It's about five centers don'thave muslim names.
Now it's god names waleek.
You know another example of uscoming into our own nation.
He's like okay, we had the, youknow, I'm saying the akbars and
the muhammads and so on and soon.
Now we're going to be powerfuland lord this and this that you
know.
That's how it's going to be now.
Those dictations were spreadout and those that were supposed
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to know know.
So to me, I don't know aboutthe deathbed thing.
If he was said that on hisdeathbed or near his death and
then there's no deathbed.
Because where's the deathbed?
Because the law wasassassinated in an elevator in
the middle of the night.
June 13, 69 right so Iunderstand what people might
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exaggerate and get the deathbed,however they say.
Towards the end he was sayingoh, when I'm not here, you'll no
longer be the five percent,you'll now be nation, guys,
earth.
Okay, my thing is from the pastand what I see in his track
record of making sure all theorders get out to everyone
they're supposed to get to, justlike with the names, just like
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where we have the school.
Just like with handing outflags and so on and so on, just
like with who we're supposed toteach where the firstborn.
If he told everyone that, whywouldn't he tell everyone the
name change?
That don't make sense.
And you're going to tell me thename change.
That don't make sense.
And you're gonna tell meuniversal sam, god don't know.
Our name change right saim don'tknow our name change.
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Black messiah don't know ourname change.
You know you're telling me thatall these guys come on.
So with that, what I'll say isthat's true.
How God's supreme teacher?
Right, because there's onepoint in what you said
(30:35):
no-transcript.
He's now the guy he was sayingthis towards the end of his you
know, physical life.
So that's false.
Because another, that's falsebecause allah was already
calling them and they wasalready knowing they was gods
before that, you know, I'msaying, when we had stuff like
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the minister's book that's awhole nother history and when we
had, uh, certain things thatwas given out as ranking
organization, when a lot changedand tweaked and reneged on some
of these things, he was tellingthem it's because y'all, gods,
y'all need to have ranks ofauthority over each other.
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Just all you need is rank andresponsibilities, basically, you
know.
So with the nation of gods andearths it's more like and that's
what I said basically aboutsupreme, break it down, but it's
more of a description.
I think, personally, that it gotturned a description that law
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used to say y'all are the godsand earths, y'all the gods and
earths, y'all gods and earths.
Right, because in tape he evensaid woman is earth you plant in
, just like this earth you buildon.
You know, he was calling themgods and earths and I think that
that turned into that rumor andthey kind of.
They ran with it.
That's how I, that's how Ithink about it and I'm speaking
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careful because I know Dumarpersonally.
I knew Dumar, I knew Allah bepersonally.
You know what I'm saying.
I used to write for the BibleCenter.
I don't know G Khalilpersonally, but he publishes
that paper.
Don't know g khalid personally,but he publishes that paper and
this is the crew that teachesthat.
You know I'm saying that allahtold them they would now be x, y
(32:22):
and z.
What I have to say about that,in knowing one, I stay to what
happened in my day and time inthis right.
However, from the authority,the brothers above me that would
know better almost nobodyagrees to that.
I'm just being real.
Out of all of them that washere ever, that was from the
first I, almost none of themagree to that.
(32:44):
It's just that those four orfive people that say when allah
was new, he just knew he wasgoing, he was having these
senses, he was going to die andhe started to tell us to change
the name, and so I'll leave thatat that.
What I say is if people, we'rethe five percent nation, right
as we are, because that's whatwe grew into, but he was just,
(33:04):
if we really be real, he wasjust saying five percenters, if
we really really be real, he wassaying five percenters.
Then it was developing intobecause y'all, my five
percenters, y'all are now mynation.
So that, okay, five percentnation.
And when the description cameof what we, the five percenters,
the gods and earth, I thinkpersonally they ran with the
(33:26):
nation of gods and earth whenit's more than five percent.
Nation of gods and earth ismore than a description of what
the five percent is right Right.
You know what I'm saying.
That's how I'm, you know 5%.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Nation of gods and earths.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Right of you know, it's not that our name is the
nation of gods and earths.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, and even universal sham gods, when,
before he returned, he waswriting in the Son of man you
know about.
So the idea again you're askingabout points on, we're supposed
to be moving towardsnationalism.
He was writing about differentcouncils should be made in every
state in Cypher, and you knowthat we should go towards an
(34:09):
official name Because this issuewas back in the 80s.
So what I'm saying is why I say5% nationalism is because
there's things that we have todo.
Allah ain't walking around,justice ain't walking around,
the first born, most of themgone.
So it's up to us to create thepolitical theory.
(34:31):
It's up to us to takeeverything that's out there on
nationalism and what bring itinto the best part, as we say,
and then we can say okay, withthe foundation of land as the
basis of freedom, and we knowthat quote-unquote hate and so
on and so on isn't aprerequisite to your sovereignty
(34:51):
we should, just as gods.
It's just common sense.
It's not even that deep to me.
It's common sense that weshould be trying to build our
own.
That's simply what 5%nationalism is to me.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
OK, now.
Now I'm sure you have somesuggestions or ideas as to where
you know we should build this.
You know from, you know weshould maybe purchase land this
you know from.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You know we should maybe purchase land, right,
that's a that's a good question.
So there are several methods ofland acquisition and my method
of land acquisition that I wouldsuggest could vary because it
depends on what we're capable of.
You know, before I go into themethodology of land acquisition,
what I'll talk about is yourfirst question, where I would
(35:41):
suggest and where my ideas wouldbe, and I'm going to go back to
how we've been pushing for awhile.
As far as Black folks, theBlack Belt South to me is still
the most consistent Black farms.
It still has the mostconsistent Black ownership in
(36:01):
counties.
You know what I'm saying.
It still has from the DeepSouth.
We know that's known to beBlack, you know.
But that idea spans back thatnations of the world already
recognize this as a place forblack people to consider
themselves because a nationwithin a nation.
(36:22):
That term right was actually umrecognized by stalin, and
stalin at that time of thecommunist world, the fascist
world and so on and so on.
Through the communists, blacknationalists in America
(36:42):
recognized the Black Belt Southas a nation within a nation.
So on a worldwide level, blacknationalists have already put
out there that the reasons andthe history, because other
people don't know our history.
Russia don't know our history,tanzania doesn't necessarily
know our history, ghana don'tknow our history.
(37:03):
They don't know most of us wasin the south.
We went up to new york andchicago and la and the great
migration, and now a lot of usgoing back and they don't know
our ancestral travels.
So the black belt self onebecause it still has the
population and two because underum force, you know, we already
(37:24):
built a agricultural empire downthere.
So to me, if we do the work inthe same place with our own
hands and benefit from itourselves, it could work much
easier, or it could work in ourbenefit, I'll say, as opposed to
our demise.
I think we could benefit fromthe agricultural South because
(37:45):
there's already a renewal and arenaissance that is going on.
So if we talk about the Blacknation, so-called
African-Americansicans, where Iwould suggest we do that as a
whole, the south and where I wastoday, the five percent nation
as a nation within that nation,technically we do it in the
south.
I yeah the well.
(38:06):
I'll go to the gulf of mexico,which they're trying to change
(38:26):
to the gulf of america, is oneof the uh biggest uh economic
hubs and ports in the world.
So being in proximity to thatwould guarantee us export and
import you know so, as well asthe eastern seaboard right,
which we know is gulletterritory.
And that leads me to the otherhistorical reference of today's
(38:52):
the 15th.
There's something called aspecial field order number 15.
When the Civil War was over,abraham Lincoln and General I
want to say it was TacomaSherman, something like that
they enacted special field ordernumber 15, where they went and
asked Black people in the South,the Black leaders, the pastors,
(39:12):
the nationalists and so on andso on, what you want?
Do you want to be a part ofAmerica or do you want to
separate into your own nationand build your own land?
And we too chose to build ourown land and not become part of
America.
This is pre 13th, 14thamendment, and special field
order number 15 was enacted andBlack people all went to the
(39:36):
Gullah Coast in masses.
Because what Special Field Orderno 15 was?
A land permission granted bythe president and the general
who won the last war in theSouth, to give the coast of
North Carolina, starting insouthern North Carolina all the
way down to the tip of NorthernFlorida and 30 miles inward, was
(39:57):
to be an independent territoryfor the New Freed Black man.
And it's my personal politicalopinion that President Abraham
Lincoln was assassinated becauseof this, because, post his
assassination, who was his vicepresident?
Was it Jefferson, one of them?
They came right in and tookback special field order number
(40:18):
15.
And that's what made us, insteadof building an agricultural
empire, that's what turned usinto sharecroppers, and having a
mistreatment in thesharecropping is what caused all
our great-grandparents to sellall that land and do like mine
in the early 1900s to go up toNew Jersey, go work in New York
(40:38):
at the railroad.
My people is from Lynchburg,virginia, real black folks.
My folks is from Macon, georgia, on the other side, real black
folks.
So I understand the wholelineage thing.
But, yeah, that would be someof the other benefits that port.
And that's the history ofspecial field order number 15.
(40:58):
So if I was on a world stage,what I would ask or what I would
put towards the world is thatwe already chose what we wanted
to do pre 13th, 14th amendmentdue to special field order
number 15, and it was taken back.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Okay, all right.
So now, as far as politically,how do you think the 5% should
present itself to the nationinside the nation?
How should the nation presentitself to the nation?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right, good, okay, so you have the American nation,
right, then you have what we'llsay the black nation, right,
african-american, so-called, andso on.
So what I think how we shouldpresent ourselves is one how we
already are as far as knowledgeitself, how you come in, already
(41:57):
are as far as knowledgeyourself.
How you come in, because thatputs you in a cultural setting,
right, so you can one identifywith who we are and our identity
isn't just broad and misty,it's not, you know, I'm saying
uh to be mistaken for anythingelse.
So I would one, like I've beendoing, clarify who we are to the
people.
We should speak for ourselves.
And once clarified who we areto the people, we should speak
for ourselves.
And once clarified who we are,what I want five percenters to
(42:19):
know, and what I want everyoneelse to know, is that it is OK
for us to want to speak as apart of the black community.
A lot of us run from that, likewe don't want to be a part of
the black community, like wejust something else.
Like the five percent is a blacknation.
It was founded in Harlem, whenHarlem was the Atlanta, you know
(42:40):
.
Like, come on.
So this comes from our peoplefor our people to have freedom,
justice, equality.
And we are also here with thosein the conscious community,
(43:00):
those within the Black community, that know, yes, we need to do
what I would say a federation, aunion, what you would call
politically a united front.
I think we can achieve thattogether right, like a plan,
like a pan-Afric-americanism, as, if you will, you know that we
can have a pan uh black man, youknow as far as all together
(43:22):
coming as something thataccumulated here and it's okay
for you to say this is my nation, I'm from the morris tribe,
this is my nation, I'm from here, this is my nation, I'm from
here just like everyone else do,and sit down and say this is
our federation.
But I'm saying to everyone elseand to 5% it's okay for us to
have a seat at the table.
Like I said, it doesn't meanyou're anti-white, pro-black,
(43:44):
whatever people want to argueabout.
Being against anyone is not aprerequisite for you to be for
yourself, unless they're in yourway and we know that story, you
know, unless they're in yourway, and that's.
we know that story, you knowthat's the obvious.
So you're saying the same withAmerica.
So that's how we let Blackpeople know yo, we're here, we
want to build a nation.
We're not just trying to tellyou, oh, fuck your religion,
(44:05):
fuck your God.
No, we're here to stand side byside for you and still reach
for what Happiness, just not inwhat A savage way, or the
pursuit of happiness is not as asavage.
And I will come to America, likeI said, presenting a special
field order, number 15,presenting all the different
(44:27):
land grants that was given tothe HBCUs, like NCAMT, you know,
and so on, and so on.
That was supposed to help usbuild a community based off the
expertise we already had.
And it was one more thing thatand I will present to the United
States and the world over thatall attempts at what they call
rebellions, revolts right, allattempts at post-rebellion and
(44:51):
revolt area of Black politicalorganization was subconsciously
it was actually an act of nationbuilding.
It was really us organicallyand subconsciously wanting to
build a nation for ourselves.
And it's been mistaken for andit's been coerced to be
(45:15):
assimilation.
And that's my biggest problemthat everyone you assume black
nationalism is an assimilation,to become equal in whatever
society, when in reality I thinkeveryone should have their own
choice.
That's what I'll say.
I would say to america.
I would say to black americathat Black people one and five
(45:36):
percenters, the five percentnation need to come to the
political maturity to know Freeimmigration because we have a
lot of brothers from differentnations Free, civil and I'll say
immigration when those statesare in their current status,
because there was always blacksgoing back and forth between the
islands all these hundreds ofyears.
(45:57):
That's a whole nother bill, butfree, all of this.
We had a decision to build anation for ourselves and that's
okay to still want this and youneed to decide that if you want
to be American, you're going tobe American.
It's not just going to be aBlack-white thing.
(46:18):
If you want true equality inthis country, you need to come
to a political maturity whereyou say there's no distinction
of its peoples.
Or?
The second decision, these fourmajor decisions, what I would
present to the world if theylistened right now that first
one, that Black people shouldtake an evaluation of the second
decision, would be do you wantto return to a modern day
country of your ancestry, whichyou know is the thing a lot of
(46:40):
people do?
My third point that I wouldbring that people should have a
political maturity to present orthink about is do you want to
go to another country?
Maybe that's not your ancestrythat still accepts people.
You can go to Canada.
There's citizenship routesRight now, even as massage
therapists.
They want so much morehealthcare workers.
They're expediting citizenshipof massage therapists.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Where Canada?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yup, right now it just happened like two years ago
, and the fourth decision wouldbe to make a Black nation of
your own right here.
I don't think it's necessary togo all these other places okay,
so five percent nation at fivepercent nation.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
It's its own nation, right yeah, yes because, we
developed into and we're stilldeveloping into right now, let's
say, we're presenting that tothe, to, to the american
government.
So we have our own nation, ourown flag, our own plot of land,
right?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
okay, or we might not have the land yet okay we could
be because, okay, okay, so wewere supposed to talk about land
acquisition, right?
Right.
So you said purchase, purchaseis one idea, but historically
there's also treaty.
Historically there's also gifts, right, historically, there's
(48:09):
the part we don't want to talkabout conquest.
You know, there's severalmethods of land acquisition,
whether it be conquest, whetherit be treaty, whether it be a
gift, whether it be a mutualagreement, whether it be an
annex.
You know I'm saying of land toor from another place.
There's several methods.
(48:30):
It's not just purchase.
So any of those methods, like Isaid, land grant acts come with
hundreds of acres.
Like the HBCUs, I would saygive us a land grant, give us a
thousand acres in Georgia,because I'm also, as far as me,
being an agriculturalist andworrying and having a thought
(48:52):
about the world economy and nottaking more than you need.
We only need so much land.
We don't need no millions ofacres for us.
We'll grow into what we have inneed okay.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So my point I'm the point I'm making is we have,
let's say, we have a land.
We have how we got it.
We have land, we have our ownflag.
You know, we're our own nation.
Now, how are we presentingourselves to the american
government on a political front?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
well to me, you're not going to be okay.
This is what I said.
We're already our own nationbecause we're a people, right,
that's.
That's the constitution of thenation.
But what I'm talking about isthe difference between a nation
and a nation state, rightBetween a nation and a nation
state.
A nation could be a nationwithin a nation, like we're
(49:47):
talking about, but if they don'thave any political sovereignty,
they're just a nation.
They're not a nation state.
Mexicans have a nation statecalled Mexico, but there is
Mexican people of the Mexicannation who live in America.
They're a nation in a nation bythat way.
There are Jewish people who arecitizens of Israel and they are
(50:07):
a nation within a nation bycreating whole towns over here.
However, they still have anation state.
They're not just a nationwithin a nation, subject to
someone else's politicalauthority.
So, when it comes to how I'llpresent myself to them, is that
what we need to build as a Blackpeople is something provisional
(50:29):
.
It's what you call aprovisional government.
It's what you call is agovernment or organized group,
which it doesn't have to begovernment in the form people
think.
Just, our parliament is ourgovernment, so our parliament
should have the authority rightto go to this government like
you're talking about, and how Iwill present myself to them is
(50:51):
one.
We have the history of the flag, we have the history of the
school that's already there, sowe have a history of them being
on our side towards independence, and then what I would do is
let them know we want to, orbuild on the idea of
transitioning from a nation to anation state, and that I don't
(51:13):
think that, because you have aplot of land that that's your
nation, this has to berecognized by other people.
So I would ask them torecognize us the same way
morocco recognized them rightthat's what I would do.
I would ask them to recognize usand show how we could benefit
um as partners.
(51:34):
But you have to do that throughcreating national products,
which is why I'm intoagriculture.
You have to do that by creatinga worthy trade to these nations
Because, historically, specialfield order number 15, I would
present that because, eventhough we're the 5% nation, most
(51:54):
of our lineage in history hasto do with those black folks in
the south okay, so it wouldn'tbe a whole complicated situation
.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
I would bring back the what he had with barry and
marylis all right, uh, to be anation, people must accept their
nationality, have a nationalseal, national constitution and
national land and a nationalflag.
Okay, that's peace.
(52:26):
Yeah, that's peace.
Now another question so nowwe're recognized, yeah, ok, how
are we voting?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
OK.
Now, like I said, and what Iwant to reiterate is so people
don't think I'm coming as anauthoritarian over five
percenters and what I'mpresenting to you because that's
the issue in the nation Peoplesay this is what we're doing.
I'm going to go to the UN andrepresent us, and no, what I'm
saying is we need to build atheoretical framework and an
(53:02):
action plan for what we're doingpolitically.
We got enough bright minds todo it.
We just can't be scared ormisled to present ourselves that
that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
So really, it states your question present ourselves
that that's not what we're doing.
So really states your question.
So what I said is uh, we haveland.
Oh yeah, how are we presentingout?
How are we presenting ourselvesin a political field?
Are we voting?
Speaker 2 (53:26):
oh, the voting, the voting.
Okay, now, if we wereindependent, we would be
independent of the americanvoting system, but our own
voting system you asking about.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh, you're saying we're totally independent, so we
don't vote in America.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Well, to me independence means like
independence, like you vote foryour own.
I'm saying, if I got 1,000,5,000, 100 acres in Texas, in
Florida, whatever, havingbillions of acres isn't a
prerequisite to sovereignty.
I'm saying, if you have enoughland to be self-sufficient and
(54:05):
self-productive, you can be agood trade partner to the world,
no matter the scale.
So I'm talking completeindependence.
The only vote I think blackpeople need to do in america, or
what I uh would say, how shouldthe five percent come as a
voting block?
(54:25):
If we were to vote, I think weshould come as a block, right,
that, okay, there's ten thousand, five percenters, twenty
thousand, five centers,primarily on the East Coast and
spread out through so and so.
We have pool and X, y and Z.
We can, as a block lobby youknow what I'm saying and pull
(54:47):
certain resources, but that's if.
Out of those four options, ifyour goal is assimilation, I say
that no one should tell no onewhat to do as a 5% nation.
It doesn't make you indifferent nations if a 5%
citizen wants to stay in Americaand another one wants to build
a 5% nation.
That's why I gave the exampleof Mexico, because Mexico has a
(55:11):
state, but there's proudMexicans in America.
Just because they're not underthe political authority of
Mexico doesn't mean that they'renot part of the Mexican people.
So it's the same way that thosefive percenters that want to
fully assimilate and stay inAmerica and be good citizens and
all this shit God's beentalking about, they can do that.
They can do that.
(55:31):
However, that doesn't negatethat there should be room for
minds within the nation to wanta political destiny for
ourselves, right?
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Indeed, indeed, indeed.
On that note, let's, let's stophere.
I would like to keep buildingon this.
This was a great build, becausewhat I I wanted to talk about
how would you present, I guessyou, you know, how would you
treaty because I alwaysmentioned this a while back
about how you know, the fivepercent nation can treaty with
(56:06):
moors, do business with moorscan do business but we need that
united front that'll be, aunited front, a federation a
federation.
That's what you said earlier,right, that's what we should and
I'm federation.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
That's what you said earlier.
Right, that's what we shouldand I'm presenting we should.
That's what I mean by what isthe 5% as a nation gonna present
to the black community?
It's time.
You know one of the guys, oneof the older guys, born and
everlasting actually.
He say hey, god, you know theblack man's.
God is old news.
My man, Everybody fucking knowalready already.
Look at the internet.
All right, I'm 31, the 31stdegree, and the 136 asked what
(56:40):
then?
What happened then?
That's what I'm here to showthen, what happened.
That's what I'm here to show,right, not how long or what it
takes to do first to make devil.
We know it takes first startgraphing from the original man.
However, what I'm here to do iswhat?
Unite, and I'm not gonna relyon these older brothers
(57:01):
bickering and arguing about thedestiny of our nation.
That's why I wouldn't have fivesons already I'm only fucking
30, because I know we need themanpower right, indeed, indeed,
indeed.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
So this um this united front yeah we're gonna
have this conversation.
We're gonna have this united.
We're gonna have this unitedfront conversation.
That's a great way to end it.
So let's keep that in mindeverybody, united front, united
front.
Thank you, god.
Peace of god be knowledge.
I really appreciate you.
Thank you to everyone in thechat.
(57:35):
We have another podcast inabout three minutes.
See y'all in three minutes andwe are out of here.
Peace.
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