December 1, 2025 • 60 mins
What if the story you learned about your first American ancestor isn’t the whole story? We go straight at the hardest questions: how did ships sustain hundreds of people for months at sea, why do the numbers for North America hover around 300,000, and where do DNA haplogroups and Paleoamerican finds like Lucia fit into the picture? We explore the claim that many Black families may hold deep Indigenous roots in the Americas alongside West African ancestry, challenging assumptions without asking you to drop your skepticism at the door.
Together we unpack shipping manifests, port records, and the lived reality of coastal transport that rarely makes it into tidy archives. We examine haplogroup E1B1A, shovel‑tooth traits, and contested links to earlier migrations, plus accounts of Mansa Abu Bakari’s Atlantic crossings predating Columbus by centuries. We also dive into cultural erasure and reclassification—how darker‑skinned Native families could be pushed off rolls and folded into plantations—and revisit the Yamasee, Seminole, and Gullah Geechee wars as proof of sustained resistance that shaped federal policy and the Civil War era.
You’ll hear Moorish and Meru references from Masonic literature, forensic reconstructions that sparked debate over the first Americans, and a case for widening the evidence base beyond a single narrative. Agree or disagree with parts of it, you’ll leave with sources to read, questions to test, and a sharper sense of how identity, power, and history entangle. If this conversation moved you—or made you argue with your headphones—follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a review with the biggest question you want us to tackle next.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:11):
All right, what's going on, everybody?
Out there is Ron Brown, LMT, thePeople's Fitness Professional.
And tonight we have Dr.
Alim, Dr.
L.
Alim Bey in the building.
Um, you know, today we're gonnadiscuss are African Americans
really Native Americans tonight?
We're gonna talk about that.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:25):
Alright, we're back, we're back.
Thank you for coming out thisevening, Dr.
Aline Bay.
Um, and uh before we getstarted, you know, uh, how are
you doing, first off?
SPEAKER_04 (01:35):
I'm doing good, doing good.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
That's peace, that's peace.
So now um I want to so you know,online right now, there's a lot
going on.
You got the conversation betweenuh uh Professor James Smalls,
and you have uh his issue withthe uh FBA group and things like
that, and that's like they'regoing back and forth, so to
(01:59):
speak, and uh, you know, it'sit's kind of a hot topic right
now, and uh there's a lot of umuh uh I would say people who do
not subscribe to the fact thatAfrican Americans are Native
Americans, and uh, you know, Ijust want to build with you on
that and and what's your see onthat.
SPEAKER_04 (02:20):
Um I'm gonna say I like the way in which that Dr.
Clyde Winters explained it tome.
Um we have the genetics ofEuropean wars, we have the
genetics of American Indianscalled Moors.
(02:40):
We also have the genetics ofAfricans.
Um the thing is, when you take aDNA test, it is trying to make a
determination if you are PaleoAmerican or if you are African,
born here 400 years ago on slaveships, and the problem is with
(03:05):
that is that no one has yetgiven us the answer to something
that I asked 20 years ago, andbefore me, um brother Hakeem
HYBay asked the same questionwhat was the distillation
process for the Europeans on theships in which that took four
(03:29):
months for them to travel fromwhere they was located at in
Europe to North America?
Okay, what was the distillationprocess turning salt water into
fresh water?
(03:50):
Okay, okay, and no one has beenable to give us an answer for
that, and that's the problem inwhich that we've been having is
that until we can get answers,you know, to something that
simple, because obviously no onewants to answer that, because
(04:12):
then it would shake thefoundation of the whole slave
ship theory of the transatlanticslave.
All right, so you said what'sthe distillation between what
was the distillation that beingable to turn, in other words,
nobody believed that Jesusturned water into wine, that it
(04:34):
was a metaphor.
At least this is what you knowmetaphysicians say, and so forth
and so on.
But these same metaphysicianscan't tell us how did they turn
salt water into fresh water?
What machine did they use todistill salt water into fresh
(05:02):
water?
SPEAKER_02 (05:04):
You mean in order for them to survive on the boats
that long?
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Four months.
I mean, you need water.
Um you can only go without waterfor about a week and a half.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Okay, I like that.
That's a good point right there.
SPEAKER_04 (05:24):
Four months somebody gotta tell me something.
So that is the issue on whichthat is going on, and then you
go to the major lobby, the majorum museums throughout the world,
and they do not have any symbolsof slavery.
(05:47):
They have the omegacivilization, and which that we
know that was here 5,000 yearsago, and we know that they was
allegedly Negroid, what peopledon't want to talk about is the
fact that they were Atlanteans,it was called the Meru people as
(06:10):
well.
Now, when you go to WebsterDictionary, this is universal
Webster unabridge, it stateswhen you look up the word more,
M-O-O-R, you in parentheses youwill see M E R.
Mir.
(06:31):
Now, when you go to also WebsterDictionary, and that's the
Cosaurus, excuse me.
And then when you go to WebsterUniversal on the bridge
dictionary of 1937, it says thatthe original application of the
name for America is Mir or Miru.
(06:53):
M-E-R-U.
SPEAKER_02 (06:55):
Okay.
Now, before you continue, right?
We have uh uh the brother WiseDome TV.
Uh he's saying that's not anissue.
That's a major, major, that's amajor pseudo-judo.
He's disrespectful to ourancestors and our uh mother.
SPEAKER_04 (07:14):
No, I'm not disrespectful.
I'm asking a question, andobviously you can't answer it.
So I would recommend that you goand do some research and study
on that or what I'm talkingabout, and then come back and
give an intelligent answer.
Because right now, only thingthat is showing is your
pseudo-ism, your pseudoism,because you can't answer the
(07:34):
question.
I can.
SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
Okay, so so maybe he's talking about uh the water
part is not an issue.
SPEAKER_04 (07:42):
Oh, that's a no, that's an issue.
SPEAKER_02 (07:45):
That to me, that's an issue because four months
without water, and you got 200people on the ship that that's
that's that is that is packed inlike sordines.
SPEAKER_04 (07:56):
We're talking about vomiting, spitting, shitting,
pissing on themselves fourmonths.
Somebody got to give me theanswer to the distillation
process until I hear a Moore orAmerican Indian or a so-called
(08:19):
um European answer thatquestion, we don't have nothing
to discuss as far as theso-called um slave trade.
Because I have yet to hear thatfrom any scholarship coming from
the African community and fromthose who call themselves
African Americans orPan-Africanists, and I know that
(08:44):
for a fact because I was there,deeper questions in which that
they never asked themselves andthus never had the answer for,
and because of that, all you cando is give regurgitated nonsense
pseudoism.
That's all that's that's all yougot is pseudo.
(09:07):
That's that's the only word thatyou know how to use, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (09:11):
So the brothers asking, can you show me your
books on this transatlanticslave trade?
Basically, do you know?
I don't know, I want to putwords in your mouth, but uh, do
you I was a student of Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (09:25):
Ben Yakinen, case close.
You were a student of I was Iwas I was a student also of Dr.
Wayne or Professor WayneChandler, case close.
SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
Okay, okay.
So um now let's I want to go toum now you were on you were
building, you were flowing,right?
Now I don't know where you leftoff.
SPEAKER_04 (10:36):
Right.
Well, I was talking about Miro,for example, if you um if you
get the book in which that iscalled by Charles Vell, um, I
think is mystic, ancient mysticmasonry.
There's a portion in there inwhich that tells us that North
(10:58):
America was known as Atlantis.
Says America in parenthesesAtlantis.
Now when you go and do someresearch, you find um that Lorna
Mand insisted that the humanrace issue from UPen Meron.
(11:26):
And Theopas tells us that thepeople who inhabited Atlantis
were the people of Meru.
And Meru is the origin of thename America.
Okay, so this is what we areputting together is the
(11:49):
information which is coming fromout of Masonic lodges.
They are telling us thisinformation.
They also tell us that the Meruof India and of the Indian
literature is none other thanthe Moreau, who are the people
(12:09):
from out of Sudan.
SPEAKER_02 (12:12):
Okay, I have a question for you.
So what a measurable, I don'tknow if you uh if you would know
this, uh, not sure.
I guess you would answer thisquestion the best way you can.
Uh, what measurable measurablepercentage of African Americans
show Native American ancestry inDNA studies?
(12:32):
And how do you explain theoverwhelmingly West African
genetic markers?
That is my thing.
SPEAKER_04 (12:41):
Yeah, the West African genetic markers come
from the fact that we mixed inwith um more than 20,000
Africans who came from out ofMali, who was under the
rulership of Abu Bukhari II,which was 200 years before
Christopher Columbus even camehere and sell the ocean blue.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
Okay, that's something I gotta remind.
SPEAKER_04 (13:06):
I gotta remind Abu Bukhari came here with 2,000
ships before ChristopherColumbus, three ships.
SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
Abu Bukhari, okay.
SPEAKER_04 (13:24):
2,000 ships, and you take 2,000 ships times just 10
people, that's 20,000.
Now you times it 100, that's200,000 people.
So we're talking about anestimate between 20,000 to
200,000 Africans who came fromout of the interior of Africa
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from Mali, who was part of theMandinka and the Dogon people
who came here to the shoresprior to Christopher Columbus.
200 years, almost 200 yearsbefore that.
(14:07):
They came in 1311 through 1313A.D.
Christopher Columbus didn't sellthe ocean blue until 1492.
At least that's what we're told.
SPEAKER_02 (14:26):
Okay, so so you would say that's where the West
African genetic markers wouldcome from, right?
SPEAKER_04 (14:33):
It didn't come from the European in 1619 bringing
all of us over here on slaveships.
No, it did not.
That's my point.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (14:48):
Because he didn't have the technology then, he
doesn't have the technology nowto do that.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
Okay.
So now um, if the majority ofAfrican Americans were already
holding, let me answer thequestion.
SPEAKER_04 (15:02):
About 98% of us um have um Native American um
genetic markers as well.
60% of us have E1B1A geneticmarker of Y haplogroup.
That genetic marker goes back toD haplogroup.
(15:26):
E haplogroup is derived from Dhaplogroup, and D haplogroup is
part of the Native Americanhaplogroup that existed here in
the Western Hemisphere.
Okay, and so 60% of the Y DNA,specifically amongst the
(15:52):
so-called African Americans, ismeasured by those genetic
markers, and not only are theyum Native American genetic
marking, it is um which goesback to what is called the COVID
people.
C-L-O-V-I-S, COVID people.
Look up the um look up thatinformation.
(16:16):
This is not to be making mockeryof, because if you can't prove
me wrong, please move on withwith with the crazy comments
because this is science here.
All right, I have a bachelor'sin sociology and history, I have
an MLS in indigenous law, I havea PhD, so someone got to come
(16:45):
with information in which thatI've never heard before, and so
this information that we'retalking about is correlating
historically to information thatmost of us was never taught, and
most of us never went throughany Masonic training.
(17:05):
I've gone through Masonictraining, as well as also these
are historical clues in whichthat was left in Masonic books,
and which that is not a secret.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
Now we got I got a question in the chat.
Um, did you take a DNA test?
SPEAKER_04 (17:24):
Yes.
In my genetic markers, all 22chromosomes go back to the COVID
people, which is markers inwhich that dates back to 13,000
to 14,000 years ago.
They don't go, they don't wantto take it further back because
(17:47):
then that means that you wouldbe pre-COVID people.
And technically we were, becausethere's a question in which that
was asked, well, who existedhere 50,000 years ago?
And that question was answeredby an individual who is a doctor
and professor from out of SouthCarolina State University.
(18:07):
His name is Albert Goodyear, andhe did forensic studies, and he
did archaeological studies onthe finds that he has gathered
from out of this um Savannah,Georgia area, and he has stated
that these are Negroid geneticmarkers that he has discovered,
(18:33):
and he goes back to 50,000 yearsago, so that is four that is
40,000 years before theSiberians is said to have come
across the um Marin Strait, orwhat is known as across from out
(18:54):
of Russia-China area into Alaskato become the Eskimos and Inu
people and come down into theplains or become the plain
Indians.
And then, of course, we knowthat in um the late 1800s and
going into the turn of thecentury of the 19th of 1900, we
(19:20):
see that there was a court casein which that spoke about the
fact of making Chinese NativeAmericans.
The reason why is because theyknow that the Siberians who came
over here are the cousins to theChinese.
(19:44):
So they simply made the Chineseafter they had them to do um the
San Francisco gold rush in 1849.
Um they then they didn't knowwhat to do, so they reclassify
them not as Chinese, but as umNative Americans.
(20:08):
And then you have the fivedollar Indians who are the
Europeans who came in and theybought their way into the
various tribes or the so-calledfive civilized tribes, and this
is why um the five civilizedtribes are predominantly
European to this day.
SPEAKER_02 (20:24):
Okay, now um, okay, before I go to my my next
question, uh the brother wisethe dome tv says ask him what
his haplogroups are.
SPEAKER_04 (20:38):
My haplogroup, why haplogroup is E1B1A, which means
that I am a Hebrew Israelite bybloodline, I'm also a Moor, as
well as also related to RamessesIII, who sat on the throne of
ancient Egypt, Kemet, and whowas the father of the Omecs
(21:00):
during the 20th dynastic period?
I know who exactly who I am.
The question is, who are you?
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
All right, now if the majority of African
Americans were already here, whydo nearly all black families
have genealogical records tracedback to plantations and not
tribal role roles?
SPEAKER_04 (21:24):
Because they because they enslaved the people who was
here.
Why would you travel 3,000 milesaway for a trip that takes four
months?
As I just made, um, just toldyou about a second ago, a few
minutes ago, in order to get apeople when you got people who
is here in this westernhemisphere that you can
(21:46):
manipulate and do the bidding.
Um, they went to the islands,they told you where they went.
They went to the islands, wentto the coast of South America,
Central America, brought them upinto North America, and vice
versa.
And they just did a triangularmove along the coast of the
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eastern hemisphere, the easternof the west, as they call it the
west.
I believe that the map is umupside down personally, and that
we're in the east, but that'sanother story.
So I think that they just simplydid a triangular um motion with
(22:31):
their um ships instead oftraveling all the way over to
Africa, they utilized theso-called people who was already
here, and we already know thatis partly true because they told
us early on in history that theyhad Native Americans as slaves,
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and then they said that theNative Americans knew the
terrain too well, so they had toend up going to Africa in order
to get Africans who didn't knowthe terrain as um and therefore
brought them back so they theycan um be the new slaves.
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
Uh uh uh what is it?
Uh uh Rondu, Ron Rondu?
Uh, what is a 9v?
I don't know what that is.
Uh what's a 9v?
SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
Okay, so now the third question is why do
indigenous tribes themselveshave documented continuous
ancestry, distinct languages andcultures, while most African
Americans do not because thedarker-skinned Native, or as I
(23:51):
would say, American Indians orMoors, the darkest-skinned Moors
who did not accept the um thereservation and would not accept
the plantation was ostracizedand they were reclassified as
Negro, black, and colored.
And that is the position thatyou are in to this very day.
(24:13):
Prophet Noble Dra Lee told youthat he was raised on the
Cherokee reservation, so he wastelling us that he was Cherokee.
However, because he did notaccept the Cherokee label and
was put on to a reservation, hewas a Moor.
(24:34):
Okay, and he brought back theMoorish heritage as far as um
saying that we were Moors um ofMorocco, but Morocco is not what
you think it is, Morocco is notthe country in Africa, Morocco
is the empire, the MoroccanEmpire included the United
(24:57):
States because who recognizedthe United States is the
question.
It was the IroquoisConfederation who recognized the
United States, and the IroquoisConfederation was a group of
Moors, and how we know this isbecause you have the Lenape
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Moors who met William Penn whenhe came in, and which we have
the name Pennsylvania name afterto this very day, but that was
the territory of the LinneLenape people, and the Linny
Lenape people was known as theDelaware Moors.
Not only were they called theDelaware Moors, they was also
(25:39):
called the Nanacotes.
Okay, and they ran all the wayup from out of Maryland,
Delaware, Rhode Island,Pennsylvania, New Jersey, on up
into New York.
Some of the Linilenopi remnantsare the Montauk, the Shinnok,
(26:05):
even the um, well, some somegoing to the fact that right
there in Central Park was awhole village of the Seneca
people, in which that was buriedover by the Europeans in order
(26:26):
to make what the what we nowrefer to as Central Park.
But that was a so-called mor onAmerican Indian territory or
area at one time, what we nowcall Central Park.
That was called Seneca Village.
SPEAKER_02 (26:47):
Okay.
Now I want to go into thetransatlantic slave trade
records a little bit, like justspeak up, speak upon it a little
bit.
Uh, there are uh meticulousshipping logs, uh uh port
records, plantation, manifest.
SPEAKER_04 (27:05):
And only about 300,000, according to Emory
University from out of Atlanta,Georgia, state specifically that
on about 300,000 um Africans wasbought here in a um through the
slave um transatlantic slavetrade.
The majority or the vastmajority of the so-called slaves
(27:28):
went to Brazil allegedly.
That we talked about themillions.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw that before, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (27:38):
So that means that this story has changed so many
times over the year, over theyears, because they told us that
they bought millions of us here.
Come to find out, it was only300,000.
SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (27:59):
How do you reconcile your position with the
archaeological evidence ofAfrican presence in West slash
Central Africa and slave uhforts like the Elmina, Gauri
Islands, etc.
And like the whole thing, likein Ghana, like there's a whole
right, right?
There's a whole thing aroundslavery, and it's like I didn't
(28:23):
say that.
SPEAKER_04 (28:24):
I did not say slavery did not exist.
I'm just saying that to bring amassive amount of people on a
boat packed like sardines, thereare essentials that you need.
That's what I'm saying.
Now, if you had a smaller group,you're able to conduct um and
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manage a smaller group.
There's no doubt about it.
You had about 10 people, thenthat's a that's a different
story, but you got 200 people,300 people, four, five hundred
people.
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
The the brothers are asking for your sources.
SPEAKER_04 (29:07):
Common sense is number one, number two, or
several books in which that nowyou can uh receive, you can get
the return of the ancient onesby Empress Verdiasi, um, Tierra,
Washitor, L Bay.
She speaks about the fact that85% of our ancestry was already
here, and only about 15 um ofour ancestry was bought from
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Africa recently within the 400years.
In other words, there wasmillions of us that was already
here prior to the 300,000 inwhich that we just made mention
of, and which that EmoryUniversity states that came to
North America.
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
Now, um, of course, I'm open-minded, and um, you
know, I'm not ever really sayingno to information that I'm not
sure of that I haven't, youknow, take took a deep dive into
to figure out whether it's rightand exact or not.
I'm not doing that, right?
Because um a lot of theinformation that we have,
(30:15):
whether it's dealing with uh uhuh uh uh you know pan African
teachings, et cetera, a lot ofthe sources do come from um also
European studies as well.
So so we gotta really becareful, right, you know, um,
you know, with our perceptionand the way we you know see
(30:36):
things, you know, because itcould be, you know, uh
controlled and seen through a aa European scope if you will
right so you know we gotta wegotta be careful and uh uh uh
and and and uh open minded wegotta be careful and open minded
(30:56):
definitely for sure uh you knowum I would like to see I I would
like to see this I would like tosee the sources from our people
and what we're saying and thesources from other historical
events as well okay well let megive you another wonderful
Ethiopians of the ancientChristian empire written by um
Drusilla um Houston she statesin here that there were three
(31:23):
continents in which that waspopulated heavily by Negro
people and she says America wasone of them and what's her name
you say her name is DrusillaHouston Houston okay I'm gonna
(31:50):
check that out I'm gonna checkthat out she's speaking and she
she's the one who wrote about umthe fact that the first men of
the ancient world were the menof Maru and the word Maru means
more or more when you add theyou on it it becomes plural well
(32:15):
brother wise dome tv man um youknow we were supposed to do a uh
a a podcast a while back man I'minviting you you could you know
you could build me and you on onon how you see things as well
you know as far as uh you knowthe African diaspora the
transatlantic slave trade andthings of that nature uh now um
(32:36):
to the sixth question um uh ifAfrican Americans were native
americans in large numbers whydo why did european colonizers
create an entire global economybased on the capture and
transport of Africans becauseAfricans were not the only ones
(32:58):
who was being captured andtransported so were the
so-called American uh Indians ieat the Moors in other words our
forefathers and foremothers aswell were taken into slavery and
was also according to myreadings 300 people went back
(33:22):
into Europe um with ChristopherColumbus when he left on his
last voyage i think i read thatsomewhere right right he took
300 of us from here to europenow when i went to the Grand
Lodge of England and see thisthing is that most people don't
(33:42):
travel so only thing they got torely on is a book but because I
get a chance to travel all overthe world I've gone to the Grand
Lodge of England all right andthe curator of the museum
portion asks us specifically howyou feel about the possibility
of your first black presidenttalking about Obama this was
(34:03):
2008 and it was about a week ortwo before Obama became
president which we all knew thewhole world knew he was going to
become president because I neverseen nothing like that before I
mean they had like he wasMichael Jackson they had posters
of him all up even in Europe inEngland okay and when I went
(34:26):
there um my wife turned aroundand said um there was more than
nine before him and he jumpedback and said who told you that
you're not supposed to know thatdid they tell you that oh so
(34:46):
that was a Masonic secret thatwe uncoded decoded no problem
why because we did research whybecause I wrote a book on it
called the first order all rightoh yeah you did okay that's an
old book right right that's mythat's my first published book
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right that was a long time ago Iremember that that was in 2009
yeah actually I wrote it in 2004I remember that's that's back in
the days man wow now um okay wewent through that okay now um
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cultural and linguisticdifferences why don't African
Americans share indigenouslanguages religion systems or
material culture the same wayother native groups do um we do
we're the ones who gave ummonotheism to the world the
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belief in one God came from usthat's a known fact that Moses
III um aknatin who is known asAmehotep the fourth um Amehotep
the fourth who is aknaten theunk Antin he was a monotheist
this is where the story of Mosescomes from is derived from this
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is where the one the concept ofthe one God comes from you know
is from is from him um we theones in which that gave that
concept to the world when wetalk about um Kharas and he
that's where the termchristianity comes from when we
talk about uh uh judaism um wegot the deity known as Tahuti
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who is known as Jehuti andJehuti is judaism that's the
origin of Judaism is from Tahutium when we talking about Islam
we got sorim and sorim is theorigin of that um of the
religion of Islam and all threeof these ancient practices
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existed within the ancientmystery school of Egypt of Kemet
and Kemet was not just in AfricaKemet had an empire the dominion
was scattered throughout theworld and anybody who does
research and study on theancient Egyptian mystery schools
know that there was um if youever read the stolen legacy by
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George G.
James he tells you that therewas more than um 18 um ancient
mystery schools scatteredthroughout the planet and there
was several in the United in theso-called United States now in
north south and central americathey existed right here this is
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why the story of Kwasi Koto orwhat is known as exists and why
it's almost parallel with thestory of Jesus that he got
crucified that he got um that heraised from the dead that uh uh
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he got when he was on the crosshe got nailed on the cross all
these types of things all thesethese same stories was told um
with um quesicoto who's known asthe plumed serpent which was
right here in north america sotalking about the the the
announcement of the wholefreaking religious system of the
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whole world came from us whatthey talking about okay all
right now African culture suchas Yoda Khan Wolof influences is
clearly embedded in blackAmerican music food and
spirituality how did that happenif they were already here
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because we just didn't stay herewe had a tendency of roaming the
world measuring the world I meanhow would we as five percenters
know the diameter of the planetearth did we just sit uh uh on a
computer one day and say hey letme come up with that concept you
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know man listen 196 million fourhundred thousand square miles of
the planet earth uh wait i meanhow we came uh huh but did we
travel or did we travel thewhole globe the whole the whole
world listen i'm gonna tell younow that's a good that's a good
point right there first of allbecause that 120 or that supreme
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wisdom right genius and what alaw came up with with the
supreme mathematics genius howdid they come up with all of
that you know i'm saying likeand uh and uh uh and even if we
take it back to uh the dogons ofmali you know and they they
understood what was in in in thein the heavens before the
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europeans did like you knowthese the these these things
like how are we able to knowthese these things you know i'm
saying like where is it comingfrom you know like you know so
so um but now i want to go intoi want to go into another
question uh why do mostfederally recognized tribes
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reject the claim that africanamericans are the original
members because they are trainedin taught by the europeans and
they are siberians anybody cansee that they superior um
siberians i mean just look attheir facial features they have
oriental facial features a lotof them on these tribes and if
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they don't have oriental facialfeatures they have european
facial features the dark skinnedones oftentimes are ostracized
and are relegated andreclassified as Negro blacks and
colors that's how it's been forthe last few hundreds of years
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okay all right all right how dohow do you address the political
implications especially whentribes uh accuse this narrative
of erasing indigenous identityand sovereignty well this is
this is what we can do we can goback and look at reports there
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was a report by Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (41:25):
Burt Eli um he is a biological a biology professor
in the University College ofArts and Science and a colleague
at the universities ofMassachusetts and Maryland and
he revealed that fewer than 10%of the American of the um
African American mitochondrialDNA sequence that was analyzed
can be matched to mitochondrialDNA from one single African
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ethnicity meaning that you can'tsay that all of us came from
just one ethnicity this this isnot possible okay so that means
that we um and then when youcome to find out that Lucia um
and when they reconstructed herface one of the oldest skeletons
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of the Paleo Indians that wasfound in Brazil in South America
um they reconstructed her faceand it was a Negro face she had
her skull shape Lucy from SouthAfrica no no Lucia Lucia L-U-Z I
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A Lucia okay right one of theoldest skulls of the Paleo
Indians found in Brazil and shewas Negroid she was Negroid you
know so once again that day'sback in fact um Richard um knave
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um at the University ofManchester in England he was
he's a forensics um doctor umprofessor and he is the one in
which that said this is not umthis does not show um the
genetic markings or the headshape of a native of a native
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american he said this is anegroid head this is what he
said in fact this is um hold onlet me pull it up and this is
what he said he said theBrazilian find shows that the
new world was discovered tens ofthousands of years earlier than
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previously believed certainlywell before the time of the
American Indian in other wordsbefore the Native Americans
prehistoric skulls were foundburied in layers of soil in
Brazilian caves they were theoldest skulls of America the
oldest skulls found in AmericaLucia belonged to a race found
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historically along the rim ofthe Indian Ocean in the islands
of South Asia in East Africa andin Australia and Malaysia all
right this is BBC he says thatto me is a negroid face it was
all of the features that youwould associate it with a
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negroid face the proportions ofthe face doesn't say anything
about it being a mongoloid thisis what he said British forensic
scientist Richard Naves so aslong as they are coming out and
telling the truth I'm going withwhat they're saying because I
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know that it makes common sensethat if we are the oldest people
on the planet earth we justdidn't stay in Africa.
SPEAKER_02 (45:03):
We was on all seven continents whether it was Pangea
or when these continents beginto separate due to earthquake
and volcanic activity we werestill there so you're gonna find
us no matter what continent thatyou go to you're gonna find us
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because we're gonna go to theface of the planet the original
told us that one through ten onthe lesson man the original man
is the Ariatic black man themaker the owner the cream of
planet earth father civilizationgod of the universe right so who
else you're gonna find who elseyou gonna find actual fact so
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it's hard for those who getstuck in pan Africanism to think
that there was niggas in Americabefore the cracker came on the
planet but I'm telling you itwas too bad I'm sorry to bust
your bubble on thinking that youjust came from Africa just 400
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years ago bought by the uh bythe poor European who can't take
the sun but yet he was on the umhe was out in the sun for four
months check check check allright uh can you point to peer
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review historicalanthropological anthropological
and genetic research supportingyour claims yeah as a matter of
fact let's read this by aBrazilian um anthropologist um
his name is Walter Neves that'sN-E-V-E-S he says the first
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reaction was not to believe init just like most of the Negroes
don't believe in it now but asthe results repeated repeated
repeated so many times and theresult is exactly the same thing
the skulls are very similar tothe Australian aborigines and
Africans and no similarities nosimilarities at all with
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Mongoloids in Asia this is whata Brazilian anthropologist
stated he stated this WalterNeves let me write this let me
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let me get this down E V E SNeaves Walter Neav Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (47:49):
Walter Neves Brazilian scientists
archaeologist anthropologists hestated this he said that the um
Lucia was a negroid and nothingto do with mongoloids in Asia
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nor with he goes even furthernor with uh with native
americans I don't mean to cutyou off William Willie Humphreys
uh why can't this live be sharedI don't know it must be
something wrong with your onyour end because this live can
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be shared for sure share itshare it please all right pardon
me yep you can go ahead and andso that's that's what we talk
about so when Webster UniversityDictionary 1937 states that an
aboriginal American it gave thedefinition of American an
aboriginal one of the variouscopper colored natives found on
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the American continent by thedescendants of european settlers
the following is the originalapplication of the name Meru and
the word Mir which is thesingular of Meru or Moors so
they're telling you that Americais the land of the Moors okay
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okay I think uh I don't know ifuh you guys see his screen is
frozen oh no now you're good nowyou're good now it's so
important all right now um uh isit possible this now I'm I'm I'm
like I'm like basically playingthe devil's advocate here right
even though I don't like sayingthat right the devil's advocate
I'm not a devil at all now umnow um is it possible this
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belief gained traction becausemany African Americans lack
knowledge of their specificAfrican origins due to slavery
not because those origins don'texist no because you can check
your teeth genetically and findout if that's true or not if you
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possess shovel teeth which Isuggest that you all do your
research and study on that thisis another genetic sequence in
which that if you understoodproperly you would know that you
are not just African becauseAfricans have straight teeth
they do not have shovel teethmajority of the so-called
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Negroes in America have shovelteeth meaning that you can't be
just African and Dr.
Clyde Winters already told usthis in his book that we're not
just African that's the name ofthe book get the book what's his
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name we're not just African byDr Clyde Winters okay I'm gonna
check that out okay now uh theteeth shovel teeth straight
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teeth Africans like Americansand Europeans have straight
teeth they do not possess shovelteeth if they have shovel teeth
then that means that they arepart of the ancestry of those
who came from out of theinterior of America out of North
America in particular becausethe shovel teeth are found
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amongst the Native Americans theAmerican Indians and about 20%
Asians see this is genetics okaydo you acknowledge that some
groups pushing this claim profitfrom confusion and historical
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trauma experienced by blackpeople some could be but we're
talking about genetics andhistory and um anthropology as
well as also archaeologyforensics um scientists and I've
mentioned all of thatinformation so how is that
dealing with trauma we just gaveevery sequence in which that if
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you took your ass to school andyou're trying to get an A in
class you would have to do theresearch and study for that okay
okay okay now uh if um if uhconspiracy at large is rewriting
the identity of tens of millionsof people existed uh who would
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have benefited and whomaintained it for 400 years um
if you were the largest mass ofpeople here and they was able to
put those who wanted benefits onreservations and you was the
largest mass of people by themillions and they didn't want to
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go at war with you any longerwhat would you begin to start
teaching this land is your landthis land is my land this land
is made for you and me that'swhat you do because we went to
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war with them from 1715 to 1860and if you don't know the wars
now suggest you go and do yourresearch once again you have the
Yamasy wars or Yamassi wars youhave the Seminore Wars and you
also have the Gulagie Wars thosewere the same people fighting
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against these individualsthrough Georgia and Florida
South Carolina Georgia andFlorida and they fought the
Albion for over 200 years almost200 years from 1715 to 1860 so
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at least 150 years documented itwas years before that where they
was also fighting so when theysay that we didn't fight back we
just allow for them to put us inslavery no that didn't happen in
fact we never lost the war andwhen you do your research on the
Seminar Yamasy and the GullahGeechee Wars we never lost the
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war they lost so only thing theycould do was write us out of
history and this is why theydon't talk about these
particular wars because this isthese are the wars in which they
led to the civil war in 1860where they had to fight us some
more and not just some more theywas fighting Moors okay okay I
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think that was uh that wasthorough brother that was that
was thorough I'm ready to uhrewind this and do the knowledge
on it I'm definitely oh uh muddymuddy joe um muddy joe talk
about it thank you for the 20 Ireally appreciate you muddy joe
um peace now I have somethingreading to do I do too sir a lot
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uh let me see so the YameseYamesse wars and you said the
gulla wars and the gullah warsall right those wars ran
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consecutively from 1715 to 1860to the time of the civil war
actually some say from 1858 butI say it had to be all the way
until the Civil War until weactually gain our freedom in
1863 and then of course theyclaim that well we didn't tell
(56:45):
nobody until two years later the1865 you know after the
emancipation proclamation andall this nonsense no that's why
they made um Abraham Lincoln whowas a Negro um a lung documented
(57:06):
by um J.E.
SPEAKER_00 (57:07):
Rogers documented by um sister or sett in their book
um in in both of their books umthe five negro presidents and
then the six black presidentsokay okay that was thorough um
(57:28):
on that note thank you forcoming out and joining us this
evening I really appreciate yousticking with us man uh we're
growing uh you help you helpedgrow this platform really
appreciate you greatly um uh youdidn't you don't have to uh come
on you know what I mean but youdid you supported us from the
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from the jump man and uh wesalute you and and greatly
appreciate you uh for stickingwith us man um hopefully you
come back again and build onthis this very topic because I
would like to go into the Yemesythe Gullah uh gulla geechee wars
and the seminal wars and youknow all of that history because
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uh it's not it's not reallybeing spoken about on on these
uh these these uh platforms souh so uh if you want to let
people know where they can findyou um you know you can you can
take it away um you can find meon dralimlbay.com dralimlbay.com
(58:30):
you can also find me on myfacebook um draleem elbey as
well as also you can find me onyoutube um asarualem lbay and so
you can definitely um hit me upon any place i'm on snapchat i'm
(58:51):
on instagram i'm on um as wellas um tick tock okay i didn't
know that that's peace all rightso i'm gonna definitely check
you out on those those platformsagain thank you for coming out
this evening brother peace tothe god first off peace to the
peace to the god and we are outof here thank y'all for coming
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Um, you know, today we're gonnadiscuss are African Americans
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SPEAKER_02 (01:25):
Alright, we're back, we're back.
Thank you for coming out thisevening, Dr.
Aline Bay.
Um, and uh before we getstarted, you know, uh, how are
you doing, first off?
SPEAKER_04 (01:35):
I'm doing good, doing good.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
That's peace, that's peace.
So now um I want to so you know,online right now, there's a lot
going on.
You got the conversation betweenuh uh Professor James Smalls,
and you have uh his issue withthe uh FBA group and things like
that, and that's like they'regoing back and forth, so to
(01:59):
speak, and uh, you know, it'sit's kind of a hot topic right
now, and uh there's a lot of umuh uh I would say people who do
not subscribe to the fact thatAfrican Americans are Native
Americans, and uh, you know, Ijust want to build with you on
that and and what's your see onthat.
SPEAKER_04 (02:20):
Um I'm gonna say I like the way in which that Dr.
Clyde Winters explained it tome.
Um we have the genetics ofEuropean wars, we have the
genetics of American Indianscalled Moors.
(02:40):
We also have the genetics ofAfricans.
Um the thing is, when you take aDNA test, it is trying to make a
determination if you are PaleoAmerican or if you are African,
born here 400 years ago on slaveships, and the problem is with
(03:05):
that is that no one has yetgiven us the answer to something
that I asked 20 years ago, andbefore me, um brother Hakeem
HYBay asked the same questionwhat was the distillation
process for the Europeans on theships in which that took four
(03:29):
months for them to travel fromwhere they was located at in
Europe to North America?
Okay, what was the distillationprocess turning salt water into
fresh water?
(03:50):
Okay, okay, and no one has beenable to give us an answer for
that, and that's the problem inwhich that we've been having is
that until we can get answers,you know, to something that
simple, because obviously no onewants to answer that, because
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then it would shake thefoundation of the whole slave
ship theory of the transatlanticslave.
All right, so you said what'sthe distillation between what
was the distillation that beingable to turn, in other words,
nobody believed that Jesusturned water into wine, that it
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was a metaphor.
At least this is what you knowmetaphysicians say, and so forth
and so on.
But these same metaphysicianscan't tell us how did they turn
salt water into fresh water?
What machine did they use todistill salt water into fresh
(05:02):
water?
SPEAKER_02 (05:04):
You mean in order for them to survive on the boats
that long?
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Four months.
I mean, you need water.
Um you can only go without waterfor about a week and a half.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Okay, I like that.
That's a good point right there.
SPEAKER_04 (05:24):
Four months somebody gotta tell me something.
So that is the issue on whichthat is going on, and then you
go to the major lobby, the majorum museums throughout the world,
and they do not have any symbolsof slavery.
(05:47):
They have the omegacivilization, and which that we
know that was here 5,000 yearsago, and we know that they was
allegedly Negroid, what peopledon't want to talk about is the
fact that they were Atlanteans,it was called the Meru people as
(06:10):
well.
Now, when you go to WebsterDictionary, this is universal
Webster unabridge, it stateswhen you look up the word more,
M-O-O-R, you in parentheses youwill see M E R.
Mir.
(06:31):
Now, when you go to also WebsterDictionary, and that's the
Cosaurus, excuse me.
And then when you go to WebsterUniversal on the bridge
dictionary of 1937, it says thatthe original application of the
name for America is Mir or Miru.
(06:53):
M-E-R-U.
SPEAKER_02 (06:55):
Okay.
Now, before you continue, right?
We have uh uh the brother WiseDome TV.
Uh he's saying that's not anissue.
That's a major, major, that's amajor pseudo-judo.
He's disrespectful to ourancestors and our uh mother.
SPEAKER_04 (07:14):
No, I'm not disrespectful.
I'm asking a question, andobviously you can't answer it.
So I would recommend that you goand do some research and study
on that or what I'm talkingabout, and then come back and
give an intelligent answer.
Because right now, only thingthat is showing is your
pseudo-ism, your pseudoism,because you can't answer the
(07:34):
question.
I can.
SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
Okay, so so maybe he's talking about uh the water
part is not an issue.
SPEAKER_04 (07:42):
Oh, that's a no, that's an issue.
SPEAKER_02 (07:45):
That to me, that's an issue because four months
without water, and you got 200people on the ship that that's
that's that is that is packed inlike sordines.
SPEAKER_04 (07:56):
We're talking about vomiting, spitting, shitting,
pissing on themselves fourmonths.
Somebody got to give me theanswer to the distillation
process until I hear a Moore orAmerican Indian or a so-called
(08:19):
um European answer thatquestion, we don't have nothing
to discuss as far as theso-called um slave trade.
Because I have yet to hear thatfrom any scholarship coming from
the African community and fromthose who call themselves
African Americans orPan-Africanists, and I know that
(08:44):
for a fact because I was there,deeper questions in which that
they never asked themselves andthus never had the answer for,
and because of that, all you cando is give regurgitated nonsense
pseudoism.
That's all that's that's all yougot is pseudo.
(09:07):
That's that's the only word thatyou know how to use, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (09:11):
So the brothers asking, can you show me your
books on this transatlanticslave trade?
Basically, do you know?
I don't know, I want to putwords in your mouth, but uh, do
you I was a student of Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (09:25):
Ben Yakinen, case close.
You were a student of I was Iwas I was a student also of Dr.
Wayne or Professor WayneChandler, case close.
SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
Okay, okay.
So um now let's I want to go toum now you were on you were
building, you were flowing,right?
Now I don't know where you leftoff.
SPEAKER_04 (10:36):
Right.
Well, I was talking about Miro,for example, if you um if you
get the book in which that iscalled by Charles Vell, um, I
think is mystic, ancient mysticmasonry.
There's a portion in there inwhich that tells us that North
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America was known as Atlantis.
Says America in parenthesesAtlantis.
Now when you go and do someresearch, you find um that Lorna
Mand insisted that the humanrace issue from UPen Meron.
(11:26):
And Theopas tells us that thepeople who inhabited Atlantis
were the people of Meru.
And Meru is the origin of thename America.
Okay, so this is what we areputting together is the
(11:49):
information which is coming fromout of Masonic lodges.
They are telling us thisinformation.
They also tell us that the Meruof India and of the Indian
literature is none other thanthe Moreau, who are the people
(12:09):
from out of Sudan.
SPEAKER_02 (12:12):
Okay, I have a question for you.
So what a measurable, I don'tknow if you uh if you would know
this, uh, not sure.
I guess you would answer thisquestion the best way you can.
Uh, what measurable measurablepercentage of African Americans
show Native American ancestry inDNA studies?
(12:32):
And how do you explain theoverwhelmingly West African
genetic markers?
That is my thing.
SPEAKER_04 (12:41):
Yeah, the West African genetic markers come
from the fact that we mixed inwith um more than 20,000
Africans who came from out ofMali, who was under the
rulership of Abu Bukhari II,which was 200 years before
Christopher Columbus even camehere and sell the ocean blue.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
Okay, that's something I gotta remind.
SPEAKER_04 (13:06):
I gotta remind Abu Bukhari came here with 2,000
ships before ChristopherColumbus, three ships.
SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
Abu Bukhari, okay.
SPEAKER_04 (13:24):
2,000 ships, and you take 2,000 ships times just 10
people, that's 20,000.
Now you times it 100, that's200,000 people.
So we're talking about anestimate between 20,000 to
200,000 Africans who came fromout of the interior of Africa
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from Mali, who was part of theMandinka and the Dogon people
who came here to the shoresprior to Christopher Columbus.
200 years, almost 200 yearsbefore that.
(14:07):
They came in 1311 through 1313A.D.
Christopher Columbus didn't sellthe ocean blue until 1492.
At least that's what we're told.
SPEAKER_02 (14:26):
Okay, so so you would say that's where the West
African genetic markers wouldcome from, right?
SPEAKER_04 (14:33):
It didn't come from the European in 1619 bringing
all of us over here on slaveships.
No, it did not.
That's my point.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (14:48):
Because he didn't have the technology then, he
doesn't have the technology nowto do that.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
Okay.
So now um, if the majority ofAfrican Americans were already
holding, let me answer thequestion.
SPEAKER_04 (15:02):
About 98% of us um have um Native American um
genetic markers as well.
60% of us have E1B1A geneticmarker of Y haplogroup.
That genetic marker goes back toD haplogroup.
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E haplogroup is derived from Dhaplogroup, and D haplogroup is
part of the Native Americanhaplogroup that existed here in
the Western Hemisphere.
Okay, and so 60% of the Y DNA,specifically amongst the
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so-called African Americans, ismeasured by those genetic
markers, and not only are theyum Native American genetic
marking, it is um which goesback to what is called the COVID
people.
C-L-O-V-I-S, COVID people.
Look up the um look up thatinformation.
(16:16):
This is not to be making mockeryof, because if you can't prove
me wrong, please move on withwith with the crazy comments
because this is science here.
All right, I have a bachelor'sin sociology and history, I have
an MLS in indigenous law, I havea PhD, so someone got to come
(16:45):
with information in which thatI've never heard before, and so
this information that we'retalking about is correlating
historically to information thatmost of us was never taught, and
most of us never went throughany Masonic training.
(17:05):
I've gone through Masonictraining, as well as also these
are historical clues in whichthat was left in Masonic books,
and which that is not a secret.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
Now we got I got a question in the chat.
Um, did you take a DNA test?
SPEAKER_04 (17:24):
Yes.
In my genetic markers, all 22chromosomes go back to the COVID
people, which is markers inwhich that dates back to 13,000
to 14,000 years ago.
They don't go, they don't wantto take it further back because
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then that means that you wouldbe pre-COVID people.
And technically we were, becausethere's a question in which that
was asked, well, who existedhere 50,000 years ago?
And that question was answeredby an individual who is a doctor
and professor from out of SouthCarolina State University.
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His name is Albert Goodyear, andhe did forensic studies, and he
did archaeological studies onthe finds that he has gathered
from out of this um Savannah,Georgia area, and he has stated
that these are Negroid geneticmarkers that he has discovered,
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and he goes back to 50,000 yearsago, so that is four that is
40,000 years before theSiberians is said to have come
across the um Marin Strait, orwhat is known as across from out
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of Russia-China area into Alaskato become the Eskimos and Inu
people and come down into theplains or become the plain
Indians.
And then, of course, we knowthat in um the late 1800s and
going into the turn of thecentury of the 19th of 1900, we
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see that there was a court casein which that spoke about the
fact of making Chinese NativeAmericans.
The reason why is because theyknow that the Siberians who came
over here are the cousins to theChinese.
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So they simply made the Chineseafter they had them to do um the
San Francisco gold rush in 1849.
Um they then they didn't knowwhat to do, so they reclassify
them not as Chinese, but as umNative Americans.
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And then you have the fivedollar Indians who are the
Europeans who came in and theybought their way into the
various tribes or the so-calledfive civilized tribes, and this
is why um the five civilizedtribes are predominantly
European to this day.
SPEAKER_02 (20:24):
Okay, now um, okay, before I go to my my next
question, uh the brother wisethe dome tv says ask him what
his haplogroups are.
SPEAKER_04 (20:38):
My haplogroup, why haplogroup is E1B1A, which means
that I am a Hebrew Israelite bybloodline, I'm also a Moor, as
well as also related to RamessesIII, who sat on the throne of
ancient Egypt, Kemet, and whowas the father of the Omecs
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during the 20th dynastic period?
I know who exactly who I am.
The question is, who are you?
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
All right, now if the majority of African
Americans were already here, whydo nearly all black families
have genealogical records tracedback to plantations and not
tribal role roles?
SPEAKER_04 (21:24):
Because they because they enslaved the people who was
here.
Why would you travel 3,000 milesaway for a trip that takes four
months?
As I just made, um, just toldyou about a second ago, a few
minutes ago, in order to get apeople when you got people who
is here in this westernhemisphere that you can
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manipulate and do the bidding.
Um, they went to the islands,they told you where they went.
They went to the islands, wentto the coast of South America,
Central America, brought them upinto North America, and vice
versa.
And they just did a triangularmove along the coast of the
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eastern hemisphere, the easternof the west, as they call it the
west.
I believe that the map is umupside down personally, and that
we're in the east, but that'sanother story.
So I think that they just simplydid a triangular um motion with
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their um ships instead oftraveling all the way over to
Africa, they utilized theso-called people who was already
here, and we already know thatis partly true because they told
us early on in history that theyhad Native Americans as slaves,
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and then they said that theNative Americans knew the
terrain too well, so they had toend up going to Africa in order
to get Africans who didn't knowthe terrain as um and therefore
brought them back so they theycan um be the new slaves.
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
Uh uh uh what is it?
Uh uh Rondu, Ron Rondu?
Uh, what is a 9v?
I don't know what that is.
Uh what's a 9v?
SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
Okay, so now the third question is why do
indigenous tribes themselveshave documented continuous
ancestry, distinct languages andcultures, while most African
Americans do not because thedarker-skinned Native, or as I
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would say, American Indians orMoors, the darkest-skinned Moors
who did not accept the um thereservation and would not accept
the plantation was ostracizedand they were reclassified as
Negro, black, and colored.
And that is the position thatyou are in to this very day.
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Prophet Noble Dra Lee told youthat he was raised on the
Cherokee reservation, so he wastelling us that he was Cherokee.
However, because he did notaccept the Cherokee label and
was put on to a reservation, hewas a Moor.
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Okay, and he brought back theMoorish heritage as far as um
saying that we were Moors um ofMorocco, but Morocco is not what
you think it is, Morocco is notthe country in Africa, Morocco
is the empire, the MoroccanEmpire included the United
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States because who recognizedthe United States is the
question.
It was the IroquoisConfederation who recognized the
United States, and the IroquoisConfederation was a group of
Moors, and how we know this isbecause you have the Lenape
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Moors who met William Penn whenhe came in, and which we have
the name Pennsylvania name afterto this very day, but that was
the territory of the LinneLenape people, and the Linny
Lenape people was known as theDelaware Moors.
Not only were they called theDelaware Moors, they was also
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called the Nanacotes.
Okay, and they ran all the wayup from out of Maryland,
Delaware, Rhode Island,Pennsylvania, New Jersey, on up
into New York.
Some of the Linilenopi remnantsare the Montauk, the Shinnok,
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even the um, well, some somegoing to the fact that right
there in Central Park was awhole village of the Seneca
people, in which that was buriedover by the Europeans in order
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to make what the what we nowrefer to as Central Park.
But that was a so-called mor onAmerican Indian territory or
area at one time, what we nowcall Central Park.
That was called Seneca Village.
SPEAKER_02 (26:47):
Okay.
Now I want to go into thetransatlantic slave trade
records a little bit, like justspeak up, speak upon it a little
bit.
Uh, there are uh meticulousshipping logs, uh uh port
records, plantation, manifest.
SPEAKER_04 (27:05):
And only about 300,000, according to Emory
University from out of Atlanta,Georgia, state specifically that
on about 300,000 um Africans wasbought here in a um through the
slave um transatlantic slavetrade.
The majority or the vastmajority of the so-called slaves
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went to Brazil allegedly.
That we talked about themillions.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw that before, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (27:38):
So that means that this story has changed so many
times over the year, over theyears, because they told us that
they bought millions of us here.
Come to find out, it was only300,000.
SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (27:59):
How do you reconcile your position with the
archaeological evidence ofAfrican presence in West slash
Central Africa and slave uhforts like the Elmina, Gauri
Islands, etc.
And like the whole thing, likein Ghana, like there's a whole
right, right?
There's a whole thing aroundslavery, and it's like I didn't
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say that.
SPEAKER_04 (28:24):
I did not say slavery did not exist.
I'm just saying that to bring amassive amount of people on a
boat packed like sardines, thereare essentials that you need.
That's what I'm saying.
Now, if you had a smaller group,you're able to conduct um and
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manage a smaller group.
There's no doubt about it.
You had about 10 people, thenthat's a that's a different
story, but you got 200 people,300 people, four, five hundred
people.
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
The the brothers are asking for your sources.
SPEAKER_04 (29:07):
Common sense is number one, number two, or
several books in which that nowyou can uh receive, you can get
the return of the ancient onesby Empress Verdiasi, um, Tierra,
Washitor, L Bay.
She speaks about the fact that85% of our ancestry was already
here, and only about 15 um ofour ancestry was bought from
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Africa recently within the 400years.
In other words, there wasmillions of us that was already
here prior to the 300,000 inwhich that we just made mention
of, and which that EmoryUniversity states that came to
North America.
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
Now, um, of course, I'm open-minded, and um, you
know, I'm not ever really sayingno to information that I'm not
sure of that I haven't, youknow, take took a deep dive into
to figure out whether it's rightand exact or not.
I'm not doing that, right?
Because um a lot of theinformation that we have,
(30:15):
whether it's dealing with uh uhuh uh uh you know pan African
teachings, et cetera, a lot ofthe sources do come from um also
European studies as well.
So so we gotta really becareful, right, you know, um,
you know, with our perceptionand the way we you know see
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things, you know, because itcould be, you know, uh
controlled and seen through a aa European scope if you will
right so you know we gotta wegotta be careful and uh uh uh
and and and uh open minded wegotta be careful and open minded
(30:56):
definitely for sure uh you knowum I would like to see I I would
like to see this I would like tosee the sources from our people
and what we're saying and thesources from other historical
events as well okay well let megive you another wonderful
Ethiopians of the ancientChristian empire written by um
Drusilla um Houston she statesin here that there were three
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continents in which that waspopulated heavily by Negro
people and she says America wasone of them and what's her name
you say her name is DrusillaHouston Houston okay I'm gonna
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check that out I'm gonna checkthat out she's speaking and she
she's the one who wrote about umthe fact that the first men of
the ancient world were the menof Maru and the word Maru means
more or more when you add theyou on it it becomes plural well
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brother wise dome tv man um youknow we were supposed to do a uh
a a podcast a while back man I'minviting you you could you know
you could build me and you on onon how you see things as well
you know as far as uh you knowthe African diaspora the
transatlantic slave trade andthings of that nature uh now um
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to the sixth question um uh ifAfrican Americans were native
americans in large numbers whydo why did european colonizers
create an entire global economybased on the capture and
transport of Africans becauseAfricans were not the only ones
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who was being captured andtransported so were the
so-called American uh Indians ieat the Moors in other words our
forefathers and foremothers aswell were taken into slavery and
was also according to myreadings 300 people went back
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into Europe um with ChristopherColumbus when he left on his
last voyage i think i read thatsomewhere right right he took
300 of us from here to europenow when i went to the Grand
Lodge of England and see thisthing is that most people don't
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travel so only thing they got torely on is a book but because I
get a chance to travel all overthe world I've gone to the Grand
Lodge of England all right andthe curator of the museum
portion asks us specifically howyou feel about the possibility
of your first black presidenttalking about Obama this was
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2008 and it was about a week ortwo before Obama became
president which we all knew thewhole world knew he was going to
become president because I neverseen nothing like that before I
mean they had like he wasMichael Jackson they had posters
of him all up even in Europe inEngland okay and when I went
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there um my wife turned aroundand said um there was more than
nine before him and he jumpedback and said who told you that
you're not supposed to know thatdid they tell you that oh so
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that was a Masonic secret thatwe uncoded decoded no problem
why because we did research whybecause I wrote a book on it
called the first order all rightoh yeah you did okay that's an
old book right right that's mythat's my first published book
(35:07):
right that was a long time ago Iremember that that was in 2009
yeah actually I wrote it in 2004I remember that's that's back in
the days man wow now um okay wewent through that okay now um
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cultural and linguisticdifferences why don't African
Americans share indigenouslanguages religion systems or
material culture the same wayother native groups do um we do
we're the ones who gave ummonotheism to the world the
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belief in one God came from usthat's a known fact that Moses
III um aknatin who is known asAmehotep the fourth um Amehotep
the fourth who is aknaten theunk Antin he was a monotheist
this is where the story of Mosescomes from is derived from this
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is where the one the concept ofthe one God comes from you know
is from is from him um we theones in which that gave that
concept to the world when wetalk about um Kharas and he
that's where the termchristianity comes from when we
talk about uh uh judaism um wegot the deity known as Tahuti
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who is known as Jehuti andJehuti is judaism that's the
origin of Judaism is from Tahutium when we talking about Islam
we got sorim and sorim is theorigin of that um of the
religion of Islam and all threeof these ancient practices
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existed within the ancientmystery school of Egypt of Kemet
and Kemet was not just in AfricaKemet had an empire the dominion
was scattered throughout theworld and anybody who does
research and study on theancient Egyptian mystery schools
know that there was um if youever read the stolen legacy by
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George G.
James he tells you that therewas more than um 18 um ancient
mystery schools scatteredthroughout the planet and there
was several in the United in theso-called United States now in
north south and central americathey existed right here this is
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why the story of Kwasi Koto orwhat is known as exists and why
it's almost parallel with thestory of Jesus that he got
crucified that he got um that heraised from the dead that uh uh
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he got when he was on the crosshe got nailed on the cross all
these types of things all thesethese same stories was told um
with um quesicoto who's known asthe plumed serpent which was
right here in north america sotalking about the the the
announcement of the wholefreaking religious system of the
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whole world came from us whatthey talking about okay all
right now African culture suchas Yoda Khan Wolof influences is
clearly embedded in blackAmerican music food and
spirituality how did that happenif they were already here
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because we just didn't stay herewe had a tendency of roaming the
world measuring the world I meanhow would we as five percenters
know the diameter of the planetearth did we just sit uh uh on a
computer one day and say hey letme come up with that concept you
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know man listen 196 million fourhundred thousand square miles of
the planet earth uh wait i meanhow we came uh huh but did we
travel or did we travel thewhole globe the whole the whole
world listen i'm gonna tell younow that's a good that's a good
point right there first of allbecause that 120 or that supreme
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wisdom right genius and what alaw came up with with the
supreme mathematics genius howdid they come up with all of
that you know i'm saying likeand uh and uh uh and even if we
take it back to uh the dogons ofmali you know and they they
understood what was in in in thein the heavens before the
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europeans did like you knowthese the these these things
like how are we able to knowthese these things you know i'm
saying like where is it comingfrom you know like you know so
so um but now i want to go intoi want to go into another
question uh why do mostfederally recognized tribes
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reject the claim that africanamericans are the original
members because they are trainedin taught by the europeans and
they are siberians anybody cansee that they superior um
siberians i mean just look attheir facial features they have
oriental facial features a lotof them on these tribes and if
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they don't have oriental facialfeatures they have european
facial features the dark skinnedones oftentimes are ostracized
and are relegated andreclassified as Negro blacks and
colors that's how it's been forthe last few hundreds of years
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okay all right all right how dohow do you address the political
implications especially whentribes uh accuse this narrative
of erasing indigenous identityand sovereignty well this is
this is what we can do we can goback and look at reports there
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was a report by Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (41:25):
Burt Eli um he is a biological a biology professor
in the University College ofArts and Science and a colleague
at the universities ofMassachusetts and Maryland and
he revealed that fewer than 10%of the American of the um
African American mitochondrialDNA sequence that was analyzed
can be matched to mitochondrialDNA from one single African
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ethnicity meaning that you can'tsay that all of us came from
just one ethnicity this this isnot possible okay so that means
that we um and then when youcome to find out that Lucia um
and when they reconstructed herface one of the oldest skeletons
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of the Paleo Indians that wasfound in Brazil in South America
um they reconstructed her faceand it was a Negro face she had
her skull shape Lucy from SouthAfrica no no Lucia Lucia L-U-Z I
(42:33):
A Lucia okay right one of theoldest skulls of the Paleo
Indians found in Brazil and shewas Negroid she was Negroid you
know so once again that day'sback in fact um Richard um knave
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um at the University ofManchester in England he was
he's a forensics um doctor umprofessor and he is the one in
which that said this is not umthis does not show um the
genetic markings or the headshape of a native of a native
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american he said this is anegroid head this is what he
said in fact this is um hold onlet me pull it up and this is
what he said he said theBrazilian find shows that the
new world was discovered tens ofthousands of years earlier than
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previously believed certainlywell before the time of the
American Indian in other wordsbefore the Native Americans
prehistoric skulls were foundburied in layers of soil in
Brazilian caves they were theoldest skulls of America the
oldest skulls found in AmericaLucia belonged to a race found
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historically along the rim ofthe Indian Ocean in the islands
of South Asia in East Africa andin Australia and Malaysia all
right this is BBC he says thatto me is a negroid face it was
all of the features that youwould associate it with a
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negroid face the proportions ofthe face doesn't say anything
about it being a mongoloid thisis what he said British forensic
scientist Richard Naves so aslong as they are coming out and
telling the truth I'm going withwhat they're saying because I
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know that it makes common sensethat if we are the oldest people
on the planet earth we justdidn't stay in Africa.
SPEAKER_02 (45:03):
We was on all seven continents whether it was Pangea
or when these continents beginto separate due to earthquake
and volcanic activity we werestill there so you're gonna find
us no matter what continent thatyou go to you're gonna find us
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because we're gonna go to theface of the planet the original
told us that one through ten onthe lesson man the original man
is the Ariatic black man themaker the owner the cream of
planet earth father civilizationgod of the universe right so who
else you're gonna find who elseyou gonna find actual fact so
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it's hard for those who getstuck in pan Africanism to think
that there was niggas in Americabefore the cracker came on the
planet but I'm telling you itwas too bad I'm sorry to bust
your bubble on thinking that youjust came from Africa just 400
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years ago bought by the uh bythe poor European who can't take
the sun but yet he was on the umhe was out in the sun for four
months check check check allright uh can you point to peer
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review historicalanthropological anthropological
and genetic research supportingyour claims yeah as a matter of
fact let's read this by aBrazilian um anthropologist um
his name is Walter Neves that'sN-E-V-E-S he says the first
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reaction was not to believe init just like most of the Negroes
don't believe in it now but asthe results repeated repeated
repeated so many times and theresult is exactly the same thing
the skulls are very similar tothe Australian aborigines and
Africans and no similarities nosimilarities at all with
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Mongoloids in Asia this is whata Brazilian anthropologist
stated he stated this WalterNeves let me write this let me
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let me get this down E V E SNeaves Walter Neav Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (47:49):
Walter Neves Brazilian scientists
archaeologist anthropologists hestated this he said that the um
Lucia was a negroid and nothingto do with mongoloids in Asia
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nor with he goes even furthernor with uh with native
americans I don't mean to cutyou off William Willie Humphreys
uh why can't this live be sharedI don't know it must be
something wrong with your onyour end because this live can
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be shared for sure share itshare it please all right pardon
me yep you can go ahead and andso that's that's what we talk
about so when Webster UniversityDictionary 1937 states that an
aboriginal American it gave thedefinition of American an
aboriginal one of the variouscopper colored natives found on
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the American continent by thedescendants of european settlers
the following is the originalapplication of the name Meru and
the word Mir which is thesingular of Meru or Moors so
they're telling you that Americais the land of the Moors okay
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okay I think uh I don't know ifuh you guys see his screen is
frozen oh no now you're good nowyou're good now it's so
important all right now um uh isit possible this now I'm I'm I'm
like I'm like basically playingthe devil's advocate here right
even though I don't like sayingthat right the devil's advocate
I'm not a devil at all now umnow um is it possible this
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belief gained traction becausemany African Americans lack
knowledge of their specificAfrican origins due to slavery
not because those origins don'texist no because you can check
your teeth genetically and findout if that's true or not if you
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possess shovel teeth which Isuggest that you all do your
research and study on that thisis another genetic sequence in
which that if you understoodproperly you would know that you
are not just African becauseAfricans have straight teeth
they do not have shovel teethmajority of the so-called
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Negroes in America have shovelteeth meaning that you can't be
just African and Dr.
Clyde Winters already told usthis in his book that we're not
just African that's the name ofthe book get the book what's his
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name we're not just African byDr Clyde Winters okay I'm gonna
check that out okay now uh theteeth shovel teeth straight
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teeth Africans like Americansand Europeans have straight
teeth they do not possess shovelteeth if they have shovel teeth
then that means that they arepart of the ancestry of those
who came from out of theinterior of America out of North
America in particular becausethe shovel teeth are found
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amongst the Native Americans theAmerican Indians and about 20%
Asians see this is genetics okaydo you acknowledge that some
groups pushing this claim profitfrom confusion and historical
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trauma experienced by blackpeople some could be but we're
talking about genetics andhistory and um anthropology as
well as also archaeologyforensics um scientists and I've
mentioned all of thatinformation so how is that
dealing with trauma we just gaveevery sequence in which that if
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you took your ass to school andyou're trying to get an A in
class you would have to do theresearch and study for that okay
okay okay now uh if um if uhconspiracy at large is rewriting
the identity of tens of millionsof people existed uh who would
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have benefited and whomaintained it for 400 years um
if you were the largest mass ofpeople here and they was able to
put those who wanted benefits onreservations and you was the
largest mass of people by themillions and they didn't want to
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go at war with you any longerwhat would you begin to start
teaching this land is your landthis land is my land this land
is made for you and me that'swhat you do because we went to
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war with them from 1715 to 1860and if you don't know the wars
now suggest you go and do yourresearch once again you have the
Yamasy wars or Yamassi wars youhave the Seminore Wars and you
also have the Gulagie Wars thosewere the same people fighting
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against these individualsthrough Georgia and Florida
South Carolina Georgia andFlorida and they fought the
Albion for over 200 years almost200 years from 1715 to 1860 so
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at least 150 years documented itwas years before that where they
was also fighting so when theysay that we didn't fight back we
just allow for them to put us inslavery no that didn't happen in
fact we never lost the war andwhen you do your research on the
Seminar Yamasy and the GullahGeechee Wars we never lost the
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war they lost so only thing theycould do was write us out of
history and this is why theydon't talk about these
particular wars because this isthese are the wars in which they
led to the civil war in 1860where they had to fight us some
more and not just some more theywas fighting Moors okay okay I
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think that was uh that wasthorough brother that was that
was thorough I'm ready to uhrewind this and do the knowledge
on it I'm definitely oh uh muddymuddy joe um muddy joe talk
about it thank you for the 20 Ireally appreciate you muddy joe
um peace now I have somethingreading to do I do too sir a lot
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uh let me see so the YameseYamesse wars and you said the
gulla wars and the gullah warsall right those wars ran
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consecutively from 1715 to 1860to the time of the civil war
actually some say from 1858 butI say it had to be all the way
until the Civil War until weactually gain our freedom in
1863 and then of course theyclaim that well we didn't tell
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nobody until two years later the1865 you know after the
emancipation proclamation andall this nonsense no that's why
they made um Abraham Lincoln whowas a Negro um a lung documented
(57:06):
by um J.E.
SPEAKER_00 (57:07):
Rogers documented by um sister or sett in their book
um in in both of their books umthe five negro presidents and
then the six black presidentsokay okay that was thorough um
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on that note thank you forcoming out and joining us this
evening I really appreciate yousticking with us man uh we're
growing uh you help you helpedgrow this platform really
appreciate you greatly um uh youdidn't you don't have to uh come
on you know what I mean but youdid you supported us from the
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from the jump man and uh wesalute you and and greatly
appreciate you uh for stickingwith us man um hopefully you
come back again and build onthis this very topic because I
would like to go into the Yemesythe Gullah uh gulla geechee wars
and the seminal wars and youknow all of that history because
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uh it's not it's not reallybeing spoken about on on these
uh these these uh platforms souh so uh if you want to let
people know where they can findyou um you know you can you can
take it away um you can find meon dralimlbay.com dralimlbay.com
(58:30):
you can also find me on myfacebook um draleem elbey as
well as also you can find me onyoutube um asarualem lbay and so
you can definitely um hit me upon any place i'm on snapchat i'm
(58:51):
on instagram i'm on um as wellas um tick tock okay i didn't
know that that's peace all rightso i'm gonna definitely check
you out on those those platformsagain thank you for coming out
this evening brother peace tothe god first off peace to the
peace to the god and we are outof here thank y'all for coming
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