December 1, 2025 • 62 mins
What if skepticism could sit in the front row while the cosmos holds the chalk? Ron invites Ros Mariah Bay to read his chart on air—Scorpio Sun, double Libra rising and Moon—and the result is a candid, concrete tour of elements, modalities, and houses that sounds less like mysticism and more like a user manual. We walk through how fixed water meets cardinal air, why a drive for fairness shows up so strongly, and how strict family roots can evolve into nurturing leadership without losing discipline.
The conversation zooms out to the bigger map. Ros explains why astronomy charts locations, cosmology frames the system, and astrology tracks effects you can actually feel—think Moon and tides as the most obvious example. Language itself becomes a breadcrumb trail: Monday for Moon, Tuesday for Mars, Wednesday for Mercury. That seven-day rhythm isn’t random; it’s a living archive of planetary influence hiding in plain sight. Instead of arguing belief, we test utility: does this framework help you choose partners, communicate your purpose, and align your work with your soul?
We also dig into vocation and service. With Sagittarius energizing the third house, Ron’s pull toward teaching and broadcasting higher learning makes sense. A Piscean influence in the house of health and service signals a real-time shift: integrating spirituality into daily work, not as a detour but as the point. If your past trained you in order and control, the growth edge might be compassion. If your talent is supervision, the call might be to champion justice without burning out. This is astrology as a disciplined practice of knowing yourself and giving people grace—because patterns explain behavior, and awareness changes outcomes.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:01):
Three, two.
What's going on?
Uh what's going on out there,everybody?
It's Ron Brown, LMT, thePeople's Fitness Professional,
aka Soul Brother Number One,Reporting for Duty.
(00:21):
We have the sister Ros MariahBay in the building.
Thank you for coming out thisevening.
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SPEAKER_01 (01:26):
All right, all right.
We're back.
We're back.
We're back.
The sister Ros Mariah Bade, thelegendary.
I like to call her thelegendary.
You know, we gotta give uh ourpeople their flowers while
they're here.
You know, that's for sure.
She's been putting in work forso many years now, and uh, like
I said, she deserves herflowers.
(01:46):
But we're talking aboutcosmology, first of all,
astrology versus cosmology.
Before we go into it, how youdoing, sister?
SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
I'm fine.
I'm just fine, and I thank youfor uh inviting me here.
I'm honored to be here today.
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Honored to have you.
Honored to have you.
Honored to have you now.
Uh before we go into the myquestions, we were discussing my
chart in the beginning.
And I like the way you broke itdown.
And so I don't mind peopleknowing my business in regards
to my sign and all of that,right?
(02:23):
Uh, because some of you know Iam a skeptic.
You've been watching the showfor for however long you've been
watching the show.
Some of you know that I am askeptic about astrology.
So um uh I I want to hear thebreakdown and and learn today.
So um we spoke about my sign,right?
And uh let's go into it.
(02:45):
So I had uh my sun sign isScorpio, right?
And then uh uh my rising isLibra and my moon sign is Libra.
SPEAKER_04 (02:58):
All right, look at that double Libra on there.
Now I don't have his chart infront of me.
I I wish I had, but I'm goingfor what he's telling me, and
that he rises as a Libra, sothat can set your houses in
order, and that he is a Scorpio.
So if he rises as a Libra, thenLibra's in the first house at
the time he was born, therebyScorpios, obviously, because it
(03:22):
stays in order in the secondhouse, and his um mid-heaven is
Cancer, and his nadir isCapricorn.
So, what you have for all thoseout there that know this the
wheel, he is absolutely reversedbecause the first house is ruled
by Aries, and the seventh house,you know, the polar reflection
(03:45):
would be Libra, but he'sreversed, so just reverse the
chart from what he's telling me.
Again, I haven't pulled it up,but even with that little bit
right there.
So, first thing you look at isI'm a Scorpio, which is water,
right?
And obviously in the secondhouse, which is Earth, Tars'
(04:08):
house.
Then you look at your rising oryour moon, because that's the
real you.
It's not the astrology sign.
That's the easiest thing theycould put on display.
That's the easiest thing theycould sell as a uh commodity or
as whatever they you knowcommercially.
So that's why a lot of peoplethey just get to topical and
(04:29):
think, oh, yeah, and becomeskeptical, right?
So you really are a Libra.
That's your moon sign.
Your moon side, that's yoursoul.
Your soul is a Libra expressingitself through the dictates of
or the characteristics of ascorpion, and then your rising
(04:50):
being um the the Libra, right?
All right, so you're expressing,you're presenting yourself
through the characteristics of ale of a Libra, which is what you
say you're I mean, uh, I'msorry, you're expressing the
dictates of your soul, which isa Libra, through the presentment
(05:12):
of a Libra.
So you got a double hit there.
I myself personally have five.
I have five signs in Libra.
So how about five?
Yeah, crazy, right?
Yes, so balance and all that isvery important.
But so you first thing that youwould look at is that what is
the element?
See, we talk about going toelementary school and we don't
(05:33):
know anything about theelements, right?
That's the first thing that youlearn.
A lot of people say, I just wantto learn my sign.
What's my sign?
What does my sign mean?
But it's a combination.
So the element is for your sunis water, and the element for
your moon self inside is air, soand and so is your rising, which
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is communication, waves, waves.
So you start thinking, well, howdoes air and water work
together?
Because a lot of times the airbrings breath or life to the
water or the vegetation in thewater, but then it becomes a
fizzy, bubbly thing.
So certain aspects you like youdon't listen to yourself.
(06:18):
You know, it's you don't youdon't take it your own advice.
I'm not saying you don't, butthe whatever those aspects are
in, it's like what is the whatis the uh elements?
Now, what that also means isthat because water and air are
interchangeable, then it's allgood if you learn how to work
with what's being, you know,what's in front of you in terms
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of dealing with the air and thewater.
Well, the other thing you lookat is all right, what modality
is the scorpion fixed, meaningfixed, stagnated water, not
moving.
You feel everything.
There is if there's a ripple inthe water, the scorpion feels
it.
(07:00):
And then also the propensity,propensity to not want to change
things like they're good, likethey are, but now your other two
signs, which is your soul sign,Libra, and your presentment,
Libra, you're forced to beoutgoing because Libra is it's
(07:21):
an air sign, but it's a cardinalsign, meaning that you're gonna
get stuff started.
So that's what you deal withwith yourself is you know, you
want to keep it like it is, butyou want to get it started also,
right?
Because that's what that energydoes.
And so that that I justexplained to you, you if you're
(07:41):
shaking your head like you canrelate, correct?
What are we really talking?
We're talking science, we'retalking elements, we're talking
cause and effect, not beliefsystems.
See, if people actually were todeal with astrology as the
science that they say it is, orcosmology, I'm gonna give that
(08:02):
in a second, we'll get there,then they would understand why
it why other forces to be don'twant you to deal with it.
One, if you want to talk about astudy, it's infinite.
If you want to talk about I metI can never complete this study
because it's infinite, that'sthe science you would be into.
(08:22):
Two, knowing astrology and theenergies or cosmology,
cosmogeny, you know, astronomy,like, and astrology, knowing
that and knowing what it does,what it does, it helps you first
and foremost to know yourself.
Because every discipline thatever exists says, man, know
(08:45):
thyself.
And then it says, Oh, you'remarked by quote God.
Well, what's the mark?
As the energies of the cosmos,and then you know, we'll get
more into that.
But back to you.
So you came from on your nadir,because that's all I can really
see in from what I'm saying now.
You came from a place ofdiscipline and order.
(09:07):
So either your grandmother, yourmother, your your family, um,
somewhere they they they werestrict or strict discipline or
strict order.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
Yeah, well, my um it's so funny you're saying
that.
Uh this is funny.
This is really funny, you know.
You're getting me on this one.
My uh my uh my my grandfather,he was in the military.
Um you know, World War II.
Um, my my my my grandmother, shewas just super disciplined.
(09:39):
She worked at uh, I forgot whereshe worked, but downtown
somewhere, and she was everySunday.
She was everything had to beright and exact, every single
thing.
Um, and then uh have family andlaw enforcement and all that
too.
SPEAKER_04 (09:56):
Wow.
Now, what did I just say?
I said you're in the dear whereyou came from, was strict
discipline and order.
Not because Ros Mariah's nose,it's because once you, me, or
anyone understands what theenergies are and how they work
on that precious wheel that wasleft by our ancient ancestors,
(10:18):
some call it a Dendara orwhatever you want to call it, is
the teaching tool for theelements.
And you can start out with theelements.
Well, how does fire and airwork?
Oh, well, fire needs a certainamount of air to burn.
Well, too much air to burn outof control.
Yes, it's called moderation andbalance, because everything
needs moderation and balance inlife, right?
(10:40):
So now, what you are seeking, orwhat your generational baggage
is, if that's what you want tocall it, is that you become a
little bit more or less stern, alittle bit more nurturing or
sensitive to others' feelings orothers' that owners.
SPEAKER_01 (11:03):
I'm not, hey, you hold up, hold up, time out.
That was that was good.
That was a good one, rightthere.
Nurturing, I am not.
I'm I'm terrible with that.
I'm more like, we gotta get thisdone.
This is what it is.
(11:24):
Let's go.
I don't care.
Cry, but get out and let's keepit moving.
Like, yeah, so nurturing, I amnot.
I'm terrible.
SPEAKER_04 (11:36):
Yes, that's the sternness and the discipline.
So, what you might want to say,all right.
So now I don't know what yournorth and south notice because
what I just read to you is yourgeneration, meaning your family,
quote unquote, um, quote, whatthey want to call baggage or
what needs to be changed, orwhat you you you can you can
this time break through and makechange for if it had if it needs
(11:59):
needed to be.
So that so I'm only looking atyour four cardinal points.
I you know, and from what youjust told me, I don't know where
your self note is that I have topunch it up, and I didn't do
that because because listen,guy, he didn't tell me until I
came on on the preview, and thenhe reminded me that years and
years ago, back when we were atNew York, I did his chart for
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him.
So, of course, if I didn't knowthat, I would have pulled it up
and I would be more exactingtoday.
But I think I'm kind ofexacting, obviously, from the
reactions with what is here.
So now the other thing is um,let me see, even though uh all
right, so being a Libra on yourrising, you do concern yourself
(12:41):
with fairness and and uh uh youknow justice and people being
treated fairly.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
That's just wearing on your sleeve, right?
Man, listen, that is me.
I'm just saying, like, listen, Iam it's gotta be right and
exact, it's gotta be fair.
If it's not fair, I'm comingwith the justice.
I'm coming with the justice.
Like, nah, that's not right.
No, no, no, no, we're not doingthat.
SPEAKER_04 (13:10):
Okay, so I'm reading all of this with with just this
limited information, knowingwhat the cardinal points are and
what they mean.
So you rise that way, you youwear that part on your sleeve,
and then with you, since you'rea double Libra and it's also
your moon, it's really deep foryou.
It's really an accentuated.
(13:31):
Now, as far as see what youthink of this one, as far as the
people you want to associatewith, whether it be a mate,
whether it be a business partneror whatever, you tend more
towards people who areself-initiated, has their own
(13:51):
business, are initiators, canget stuff going, even in your
pro your life.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
I would say so.
Yeah.
They're responsible.
They're yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (14:06):
Unless you let that, unless you let that Capricorn in
the fourth house take over andwant to be in control of
everything and everybody in yourlife.
Unless you do that, what youreally need is someone that is
self-starting, self-initiating,um, not so dependent.
SPEAKER_02 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (14:27):
Right, because that's what the Aries
represents.
And in your case, that's reallyself.
We're all supposed to be, youknow, selfful, you know, we
shouldn't be selfless.
But Libras can tend to beselfless because they're so
concerned about everyone elsebeing everything else being fair
and right, and they like to dealwith unity, uh, like that.
(14:48):
But like I said, well, sometimesI say it's just it's we when
it's might just be me, you know,because if it has to get done,
it has to get done, right?
SPEAKER_01 (14:58):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (14:58):
So you're not gonna, you know, wait on that.
So that's what I see just tiptopically on doing those points.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
Now, um, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie,
(15:51):
brother.
I'm a skeptic, but this righthere, this right here has me
like, whoa.
And you see me on uh uh uhFacebook, you've been following
me on Facebook for a littlewhile, so you kind of sort of
know my personality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think she's she you spot on onsome of them joints right there,
(16:12):
yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04 (16:14):
Okay, uh, yeah, and if we get you like more uh
in-depth on your chart, likelike I would love to know what
your south and north node is,because like I read to you, your
family generational obstacle orwhatever, you have a personal
one, it's your soul's one.
And so when you find out whatyour south node and north node
(16:35):
is, then that tells you what youneed to overcome personally on
your soul baggage.
Because, like, uh, and whatyou'll find out is that even if
you haven't gotten there yet,you'll find that you can very
easily be that way.
Like, for instance, right now,Capricorn being on your on your
(16:58):
uh nadir, right?
The root, you can very easilyyou know what discipline and
order is.
You can teach, you can teachthat because you have that,
because you've experienced.
But the other part of cancerwith the nurturing, that's what
you need to learn.
So we all very uh easily slipback into where we came from and
(17:20):
what we know, we know, we know.
And that's why some people, ifthey don't evolve with
themselves, they'll just staykind of stuck back to what they
know, um, that they know rather.
Yeah, so that's what it'llindicate for you on your south
node, and no one may know thatbut you or people who are really
(17:41):
close to you, right?
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
Um, this brother right here, uh Keenan, he said,
moon on the ascendant makestotal sense how you share your
feelings and insight a lot.
Because I when I'm on Facebook,I share my insight, my feelings,
and all that on Facebook.
So I guess that's what he'ssaying.
SPEAKER_04 (18:00):
Uh uh yes, that is what he's saying, because
whatever is in the first houseum is how you present yourself,
which means it's what's worn onyour sleeve, you know, like
everybody can see that.
It's right there.
And so what he's saying now, yougo into the level of how uh,
like I just said, to know whatthe elements are, and then I say
(18:22):
to know what the modalities are,like cardinal, fixed, and then
there's mutable, where you know,people are changeable.
They change, they're not one whogets stuff started, they're not
one who's going to be fixed,meaning they make a great
supervisor.
No, that's not them.
They're the ones who can bebehind the scene and uh have no
problem making uh changes orthey mutate that they're just
(18:47):
you know easy to work with orwhatever, because they'll
they'll be up front or in theback.
Doesn't matter, just to get thework done.
And those are all the mutablesigns, you know.
But for you, you have fixed interms of these three that I know
your Trinity, you have fixed andyou have cardinals.
So you're gonna get stuffstarted, but you're also a great
supervisor because the fixedenergy is the supervising
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energy.
The reason they don't want tochange is because, okay, how's
it supposed to be?
Oh, is it supposed to be likethat?
Then find okay, that's uh that'sthe process.
I will make sure that everythingis done like that.
So you find people who have thatfixed energy to they fit well
into what you call supervisingjobs to make or positions to get
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stuff done.
So now, you know, uh now so nowyou go into well, what is the
energy of the signs?
Because we're these are theirhouses.
We just talked about themodalities and the uh elements,
fire, air, earth, water, commonsense, fire and air.
(19:51):
Fire and water don't go togethertoo well.
I mean, that's it.
That's just elementary.
You see, so but earth and water,they go the very together very
well because earth will receivewater, energy, or water figure
literally without trying tochange it.
(20:14):
Right.
So so fire consumes the air, andearth consumes water.
That's why on that astrologywheel, because it is a teaching
tool.
And for all you out there whohave one in front of you or
seeing one or studying, you willnever ever ever ever ever find a
fire sign next to an air signfor a reason.
(20:36):
For the reason I just gave,because there would be no
moderation, that's why you'renot gonna find it there at all.
What you will find is everyother sign, it will be a
complementary element, in otherwords, uh um Libra is air on
your first house.
(20:57):
So the next is Earth, right,which is Taurus, and then the
next is Gemini, which is air,right?
I'm sorry, I'm looking Libra,Scorpio, and then for you,
Sagittarius on your chart.
So you would have Libra as theuh on the first house, and that
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is air, and then next to thatyou're gonna have Scorpio, which
is water, and then afterScorpio, you're gonna have
Sagittarius.
Now, those two signs over or 60degrees over, right?
Because each pie is 30 degrees.
So we're talking mathematicsnow, too.
You're gonna learn how to domathematics if you study the
style science of astrology orcosmology.
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I'm telling you, this is part ofthe other reason why, you know,
I don't want you to learn it.
Because you know, people talkabout that mathematics and
geometry and stuff, it's rightthere, right there for you, all
of it.
So when you find that labor inyour first house and you find
that Sagittarius on your thirdhouse, let's talk about that for
a minute.
Because Sagittarius is thehigher learning in spirituality,
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and you have that in your thirdhouse, meaning that you are
destined to communicate.
That's why you'd be behind thispodcast right now.
Because Sagittarius, I mean,third house is the house of
communications, and and in on abasic way, that third house
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means your fat your uh kin andyour community, your brothers
and sisters, your community, andyour basic communication ability
that you learn as a child, youknow, in your community.
It's just basic.
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Maybe you maybe you neverlearned how to communicate even
as a child, but that's what itrepresents.
And so you have there, which bythe way, of course, is it's a
polar reflection because yourchart is switched around.
Exactly.
See, a perfect chart, not aperfect chart, the chart, the
way it's laid out to teach thelesson of one self, two,
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possessions, three,communications, or or lack
marrow home, four, home.
Where is your spirit selfmanifested in the flesh?
Going to be seated in thatfourth house of home.
Yours just happened to beCapricorn with a lot of
discipline and order.
And then then five, uh, yourcreativity, not just whether you
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have children, but whether we'retalking about the creations of
the mind, the children of themind, because that's the house
of creation.
And then it's your service toman and mankind as six.
And then seven is okay, now thatyou got this sixth foundation,
bottom, you know, the bottom sixtimes foundation, let's step
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into the social arena world,starting with labor and who
you're going to unite with.
Again, not whether it's a sexualrelationship, it could be a
business relationship orwhatever it is, whatever.
First that you hang out with,because the only thing that
truly opposes you in your lifeare the people that you hang
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with.
They're the thing that canoppose you the absolute most.
So choose wisely, as they say,right?
But now you're in the socialworld, you know, like that.
So, so this is important in thatrespect.
That uh you've got Sagittariuson the third house.
You are definitely going to bealways seeking for higher
knowledge.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
That's all interesting.
This is all really interesting,right here, man.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
All really interesting.
I'm this is what I do.
Knowledge, knowledge, knowledge,knowledge, knowledge.
SPEAKER_04 (24:56):
Because it's in your third house, Sagittarius.
In other words, the third housebelongs is the house of
communications, and it meansyour basic communicating
abilities that, of course,starts at home, and you know how
you were raised and all of that.
But it's polarity, it's it'spolarity, it's 180, is
Sagittarius, which representsyour highest attainment of
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spirituality and knowledge.
You kicked off with the highestin your third house.
You can't you came up with theyou came in here with the arrow
pointing for higher things.
Because that's the Sagittarius,right?
The Sagittarian, half man, halfbeast.
(25:40):
And that's because, you know,that's who we are.
I mean, that's what we are hereto attain, is to get rid of the
lower self, right, and attain toour higher self.
And then it's in the ninth housebecause that nine means ending.
And then then it'll go toCapricorn, which is the
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mid-heaven in its proper place,which means did you pass the
test?
Because it's very discipline andorder.
Discipline and order isnecessary.
People don't look at likedisciple discipline, you know,
they just think, oh, that's areligious Bible thing.
No, I mean, look at the words,which we're gonna get into in a
minute when we talk aboutcosmology astrology.
(26:21):
But, you know, so so now, didyou make it?
You know, how are you coming upto Kronos to follow time?
Are you gonna get past the reinsof Saturn with your bull?
Nope, not with your bull, you'renot.
You're gonna have to get itright, or those rings kick you
back, you know, and you learnlearn your lessons.
That's just the way, that's whatthe teaching tool is really
(26:43):
about.
So, again, you know, we haveelements, we have the
modalities, meaning how thoseelements move, they're either
fixed, then either they'reinitiating, starting stuff,
they're fixed, or they'remutating out.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it, that's it.
That's how that works.
That's elementary.
You can't escape the elementaryof it, the foundation.
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So now it's like, all right,well, we got some characters or
some energy, and they'rerepresented by each sign.
The Aries, the Taurus, theGemini, you know, like that.
And these are just depictions tofor a child to learn again an
idea of what those energies are,what the possibilities of the
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characteristics of man is onthis plane.
Because we spirit man manifestedin the flesh.
SPEAKER_02 (27:37):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_04 (27:38):
So yeah, it's it's uh it's a science, but let it
science, but um uh the otherthing with you, let me see.
Uh Sagittarius, and then youwould have Scorpio.
Did I say Sagittarius there?
Yeah, Libra, Scorpio, Sag.
I mean, you just could reverseeverything on your chart.
(28:00):
So Pisces, okay.
Let me let me add this.
Let me add this before we go,because it's about you.
All right, so your service toman and mankind, because that's
what Virgo represents.
It also represents your health.
Um, because if you don't havegood health, you didn't serving
nobody, including yourself,right?
(28:21):
We'll be, and I got this feelingyou walking into it in your
older age now, whatever that is.
I just got this feeling, correctme if I'm wrong.
We'll be dealing withspirituality or what people want
to call religion.
You question that all the time.
(28:41):
You know, you I mean, we all do,but I just had this feeling that
you recently are making sometransformation yourself.
And I'm gonna tell you why I gotthat feeling because I saw a
little clip of you, and you werein a car, and it sounded like to
me, do you know what I'm talkingabout?
And you're saying, well,whatever it is, it just is.
(29:02):
It sounded like to me you weretaking a transformation,
personal transformation.
SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
For right now, I'm definitely person taking a
personal transformation.
SPEAKER_04 (29:12):
Yeah, I really saw it.
Yeah, all right, okay, allright.
You're being forced to do thatbecause Pisces is in your sixth
house.
Now, Pisces is the ultimatespiritual house.
(29:33):
But Pisces is the beginning andthe end, and so so that's why
you're feeling what you'refeeling.
Because I I felt that when Iread it.
I was like, wow, he just askedme to come back on the show, and
then something came across.
You didn't send it to me.
And I felt like he's goingthrough a transformation
himself.
So now, if that if I'm right andyou're saying I am, this is what
I'm just reading right now whilewe're sitting here on this
paper.
Pisces is in your sixth house.
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Your sixth house is just serviceto man and mankind.
Meaning, what see, that's anearth sign.
That's an earth sign, it's thesecond earth sign because the
first earth sign is Taurus andit's about your possessions.
But Virgo says, all right, well,how are we gonna get those
possessions?
So that's the hat, that's whythey'll say that's the house of
your job.
That's why they say it.
(30:15):
That's the house of your job.
No, it's really a house of yourservice to man and mankind.
So that equates to people thatthat's the job I'm gonna do.
So for you, it is thistransformation, it's because
you're feeling a strong pullregarding spirituality and why
are we here and the wholemystery life, whatever it is
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that you're going throughpersonally, is because.
You got to bring thatspirituality into your work.
SPEAKER_01 (30:45):
I always knew that though.
See?
Yeah.
I always knew that.
That's why I'm doing that's oneof the reasons why I'm doing
this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:54):
Okay.
Well, I appreciate and I reallyappreciate you um inviting me to
be a part of uh, you know,divine law governs all events.
Because what I just told you iswhat I said I saw in that clip
that you had sent.
But so now it's right.
So I so I saw that.
But now I'm looking at yourchart and I really see it.
So this is what's happening foryou.
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This is why that's happening foryou.
unknown (31:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (31:19):
Uh-huh.
And then all right, all right,we got it almost there.
That's the end, right?
All right, so Aries.
Yeah, you need a you need a uhuh a mate that is uh strong,
that is sure about what theywant to do, and is self-starter
themselves.
That's what you need.
(31:39):
Okay, that's that's how I gonnahave to go down.
So don't uh don't try tosuppress any of that.
That's good, and um you willcreate possessions and leave
something as a legacy.
(32:01):
You will, and then um your wow,you got that Gemini in the ninth
house.
All right, so I don't knowanything about your education, I
don't know nothing about that atall personally.
Um, I get the sense that you mayhave had some higher learning
(32:22):
college or okay, but guess what?
You got a duality, so thistransformation that you're doing
right now is because in yourhouse of education or higher
knowledge, there's a duality.
So you're gonna end up havingtwo different types of you.
You probably gone through thatnow.
(32:43):
I don't know.
It's like, wait a minute, Ithought I was it's like most of
you, I thought I was supposed togo down this road, get that, get
that degree, and this and that,and that, and I'm gonna be good,
right?
You have a duality, clearly, andyou probably are seeing it now.
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
Um, I've been seeing that all my life.
I've been seeing that all mylife.
SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
Wow, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:02):
I I like you know, I you know, I wanted to uh uh do
like you know, of course, schooldid that, and um, but now I'm
like, I'm like, should I go backto school or should I just focus
on self-study or the teachingsthat I that that I'm most
passionate about, which is uh 5%Morris Science and uh NOI and
(33:28):
all of these teachings, all thepeople that I have on this
platform is just a reflection ofwhat goes on in my mind, like
things that I want to know moreabout.
SPEAKER_04 (33:39):
That's great that you're able to, you know, and
you know, actually express artum through communication.
That's that's that's heavy,that's a good one, especially
now, because the what peoplethought was the way to go and
the you know, the pie and thesky, none of that.
All of that is falling.
Let's face it, all of that isfalling down in front of most
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people today.
And the reason is that you haveto follow, right?
As you say, you have done thedictates of your soul and the
construct may have had it sothat that's not what you you've
got to do.
This and you've got to do itthat way.
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So your yellow brick road isyour yellow brick road.
My yellow brick road is myyellow brick road.
What people seem to want a lot,if I can put it this way, is
that they want you have to godown your own yellow brick road.
There's lions and tigers andbears over, you know, to find
the truth for you, right?
(34:43):
Because we believe a lot, butyou can you have to go from
belief to knowing.
You just gotta graduate to frombelief to knowing.
So, what people want to do isthey want you to pick them up
and carry them down their yellowbrick road.
It can't be done, right?
It can't be done, and thenpeople talk about, you know,
(35:04):
what do I do?
Well, there's a I think uh inthe biblios healer take the
Bible or whatever, which by theway, they took 66 books of what
was already written.
So I'm not putting, I'm justsaying, because a lot of people
follow that.
Uh, it says the table isprepared for you, right?
So, what you so how do you know?
You hear you talk to people andthey say, Well, I don't like
this and I don't like that.
(35:24):
Well, I tried that, but I don'tlike that.
Well, that's because you're notat the table that's prepared for
you, because the table that isprepared for you, you're going
to like everything on it, eveneven the experiences or the
trials and the tribulations, butyou're going to endure and
you're going to like what's onthat table for you.
So back to astrology andcosmology.
(35:45):
They turned you away from it tokeep you from knowing thyself,
and have the nerve to say, inall the disciplines, man, know
thyself.
So you, you know, I am that Iam.
And that's one of the ways tofind out because, like, even
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like what you what we're sharinghere, which is actually limited
on your chart, but stillaccurate because this, because
it's accurate, it's a science.
It's a science, it's accurate.
SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Now, now I want to go into um um astra.
Now I uh we only have an hour,right?
So yeah, but but I don't know ifyou would if you want to do two
hours next time if you come backup or whatever, like that.
You know, because I had anotherbrother.
Uh, he was like, give me twohours, give me two hours.
So I don't know.
(36:40):
I don't know how you would wantto do that.
SPEAKER_04 (36:41):
Well, he wanted two hours for astrology.
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
No, he wanted two hours to teach something else,
and then I got another brother,he wants to do two hours to
teach something else.
So I don't know if the hourslot.
SPEAKER_04 (36:51):
Let me put it to you like this every Wednesday at
7:30, that's where my two-hourtime is for teaching and sharing
information.
SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_04 (37:01):
It really is.
I every week I put together somepresentment, visual, whatever
like that, and time into it.
So that's what I do, andeverybody can come to that class
um if they wish to.
It's the civics, and then let meget this out the way now, and
then we have um every firstSunday of the month, uh Sister J
(37:24):
Be does a study out of theCircle Seven Quran, right?
One o'clock.
And then every third month,third Sunday, I do a sister
standing on law presentment.
That's once a month.
And then Sister Karima Bay doeswhat's called enlightened
Asiatic every third Monday, butevery Wednesday we're there.
(37:50):
We're I I do class, so I'm goodwith the hour, hour and a half,
whatever it is.
I I, you know, maybe maybe someof the people will have
questions or whatever like that.
Because I wasn't exactly whatI'm sharing now, is like I
wasn't exactly prepared.
I wish I had a known I had doneyour chart.
I definitely would have beenprepared to do it.
(38:10):
So I do would like to come.
I really want to know what yourSouth and North Note is, and see
what you say about that and howaccurate that is.
So, you being a non-believer,let me just or skeptical, you
said.
Yeah, if you know anything,look.
So I don't know what your nextquestion is, but um uh I'm
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prepared to try to break downthe oh let me just say this.
So, as far as knowing your umastrology, your chart, your your
navigating chart upon thispiece, right?
Um, it helps you to navigate.
But what you also get out of itfor humanity, it really helps
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you to understand other peopleand why they may do what they do
so that you're not offended somuch.
Personally, it gets you to sayto yourself, and this is the I
think the most important foranyone, because we all seek
validation and so on like that,and we all have these thoughts
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in our head that this constructhas not made it so that you
would create, that you would goahead and you know, see that
through, because you got to doit like this in the box, you
know, uh for control.
So the thing is that it wouldteach you and show you there's
nothing wrong with me.
You that's what you would say toyourself.
I know now why I do that.
(39:39):
So now, like anything, if thereis a problem or situation, you
have to know the components ofit to fix it or to change it or
whatever.
So, even with self, you have toknow self yourself, right?
And you can say, hey, I get whyI do that.
Now, maybe it's something thatthis chart has that you do that
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you ought not be doing.
Why?
Because it's what you're herefor to learn how not to do
because you did it before, andthere is no really before
because it's a continuum.
But just for the sake ofwording, you've done it before,
you're back here to learn thatlesson.
SPEAKER_01 (40:15):
I like how you put that.
I like how you put that.
It's a lot to unpack therebefore before we continue.
I just want to make an uhacknowledge, Nicholas Bay.
Thank you for the five dollars,Islam Brother Ron, and
gratitude, Ros Mariah.
Bay, love and appreciateeverything you have done and
continue to do.
Peace to you, both.
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Peace to you.
SPEAKER_04 (40:37):
All right, thank you.
I say to say kudos, thank you somuch.
SPEAKER_01 (40:41):
All right.
Now, um uh we got about 20minutes.
So if I can break down astrologyversus cosmology.
Now, before we go into that,right?
I have a question.
Astrology from what from whatI've learned over the years, I
had a teacher in college who wasjust so opposed to astrology and
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crystals and everything.
She used to go in on thosethings.
Uh she's like what we call likea Western thinker.
You know, uh, you know, I comefrom like a uh a massage
therapy, physical therapybackground.
So, you know, it's all aboutmuscle tissue results and blood
(41:26):
and you know, science, science.
So uh she used to go crazy onit.
Um, and so this would be aquestion from her, right?
And myself.
Astrology is is not supported,uh uh um is not supported by
controlled scientific studies.
Why why should it be consideredcredible?
SPEAKER_03 (41:49):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
Okay, let me get you a littlestar me.
SPEAKER_04 (41:55):
Cosmogeny and the effects of cosmogeny, which is
an ancient word.
I'm gonna I'm gonna say it'sancient to make a comparison
here, and the effects ofanything is the ologies, right?
So cosmology, then you haveastronomy that they use today,
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and they say that's scientific,right?
Don't they say astronomy isscience?
All right, they say, right, thatastronomy is scientific, but not
the effects.
There's no effects on the peopleat all.
Now, these planets are movingaround and they got all this
energy and stuff.
So let us get to thinking themoon is a planetary body, and
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when it is at its fullness,whether it's a new moon ready to
be filled because it's movedaway from the sun, the light, or
whether it's a full moon filledwith light, and it's eight
phases, and when it shows asfull, does it pull the tides of
the oceans on the earth?
SPEAKER_01 (42:58):
Sure it is.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Oh, all right.
How much how much water we what75, 80?
I keep hearing it changepercent.
SPEAKER_02 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:07):
We're made up of water, yeah, and so we are what
either vain as heck or ignorantas heck to even think for a
second that it doesn't affectyou.
That's like ludicrous, right?
(43:28):
Now, the other unseen energies,you know, because it's the
unseen that creates the scene,however, you want to go into
that, they all have planetaryenergy.
So cosmogeny would be more ofthe entire universe because
there's there's other probablyuniverses and things that we
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don't see, uh, right?
And planetary bodies that arecoming into play because they
take a while to get to do theircycle.
There's probably planetarybodies we haven't seen.
For an example, when the modernstudies of astrology, even a
little bit less uh behindmodern, because I'll tell you a
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story about the modern, theythought that Venus, which is the
mother planet, the feminine isenergy, and the polarity is
Mars, which is the masculine inthis energy.
They thought that Venus was twodifferent planets.
You know why?
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Because they didn't know enoughto know that she rises in the
morning.
She's the morning star and thatand her and and at night, but
only at night because she's thelast to go to bed.
Let me just put it that way.
She's the last.
She rises in the morning, putsthe house together, all that,
whatever the children, whatevershe gotta do, go to work,
whatever.
And then she's the last to go toas far as her shiny.
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They thought, her shining in thesky, that they were two
different planets from theirignorance.
Give you another one.
Early 1900s, I think it's 1932,when they discovered in their
modern, modern astronomystudies, that the planet Pluto
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even existed, didn't even knowit existed.
See, this is why we have to getto thinking.
So, how I see about cosmogenyand that word and cosmology,
think this.
We're talking about as above, sobeloved.
We're talking about the factthat everybody says they praying
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to the God above or whatever,like that, without knowing that
it the God above is you,standing with your feet flat on
this earth, and the above isyour mind, a companion to your
spirit, right?
So, but nonetheless, theylooking up all the time, looking
up all the time, and so they'repraying to the air, the
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soundless sound, which isthought.
So, what happens if you and Iare able to transmit a thought
and receive a thought at thesame time?
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We can do that, right?
We do do that, right?
Whether we recognize it or not.
Because you know, you're alwaysthinking in your head, you're
not you may not be talking toyourself, but you're talking to
yourself.
Yes, you are.
Who else would you be talking tobut yourself in your head?
So you're able to transmit athought and receive a thought.
Yeah, I prayed to God and Hegave me the answer, whatever it
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is you're thinking or toyourself.
That means you have to have atransmitter.
You have to have a you are thetransmitter, but you have to
have an antenna.
You're the transmitter becauseyou can transmit and receive at
the same time.
Nobody argues about that, but noone thinks about, well, what's
my antenna?
Because you know you gotta haveone.
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Your antenna is made ofsilicone, grows out of your hair
in a spiral fashion.
It's your hair is your antenna.
So this is why they call thescience of you going to
cosmology school to fix people'shair, it's called cosmetology.
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That's where that comes from.
It's not a play on words.
So if we take you away fromthose truths and get you to only
talk about astronomy, which ismore like the stars, and you
know, like they like trying topinpoint it to the limitations
that they have in studying,because they just found Pluto,
right?
So, and they thought Venus wastwo planets.
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So if we can take you away fromthe word cosmology, which is
what it is, then you will notthink and you won't give any
thought to what I just saidabout why the science of
treating of the hair is calledcosmos, to me, is called
cosmetology.
Oh, you say, oh no, Raj, that'sjust a play on words.
(48:15):
It is not now.
Let me tell you why the scienceof barbering, which is usually
for men's hair, is calledtonsorialist.
Tonsorialist means tune, so likein tune, tone, tone,
tonsirealist.
Because the same thing applies.
And the tone means your diatonictones that you the vibrations
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that you send out.
But they call it a tonesurrealist because it's the same
as hair, both of them beingdealing with hair, because it's
about your tone or your tuningin.
So they say, Well, we're gonnaget rid of that word too.
So now here we all talk about,well, what's the difference?
You know, and it's all good.
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Essentially, I would say thereis no difference, it's just a
matter of using words.
But narrowing it a little, I'dsay cosmogony.
They don't say cosmogony, theyjust talk about the effects of
cosmogeny, cosmogony, becauseastronomy is where the planets
are, the heavenly bodies arelocated.
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Where are they right now?
Because they move a lot, right?
That's astronomy, and they callthat science, but the effects of
them is called astrology, socosmogeny is also more universal
where all the planets are, whereeverything is, all the bodies,
and the effects is calledcosmology.
So, in that respect, they arethe same.
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But when you come down to thisconstruct again, I will say
this.
I said it already, that whenthey bag tag, name and claim
everything, right?
You can go to school to learnastrology, but when you get that
certificate, you can't talkabout certain things.
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And then if you do, you'll getfined.
So I was thinking, I'm gonna goto their school just to see what
they say, but I'm never gonnaget the certificate.
I'm not gonna sign up for thecertificate and just to see.
And I also know some people whohave gone to all the schools
that they have, and they'relike, wow, science of the
(50:28):
universe is science of theuniverse, they're not teaching
it that way.
So, and let me just say this,and then we can go.
I guess I mean, so I I I lookedup once I took once you told me,
like I really this morning, I uhI read something real quick.
Um, and this is from a personwho is studying for astrophysics
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to be an astrophysicist.
I think they've been studyingfor five years, and uh name is
An Schuman Acharya, Acharia, aformer visiting master's student
at Harvard Smithsonian Centerfor Astrophysics.
So, the difference betweenastrology, astronomy, cosmology.
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Now, just the first couple lineshere.
Well, he says, first thingsfirst, do not compare astrology,
and then parentheses, as itstands presently.
See, that's the kind of readingthat that it turns the it turns
the hands up on us because likeas it stands presently, that
means what people think theyunderstand that it is right now,
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but he says it with actualsciences like astronomy and
cosmology.
That doesn't even make sense.
So, how's astronomy science andcosmology is science too?
And on another one, they'recalling cosmogeny or cosmology
science, but it's the mother ofthe astrology, you know.
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They like to leave mother outall the time.
You put mother back in there,you'll be good, and you'll have
a better understanding of thesethings.
And now the churches, of course,they don't want you to do it,
but yet in their book, they saythis is the book of what is,
what was, and what's to come.
A book of Ezekiel is in therethat's nothing but the astrology
will.
So there's a lot of umcontradictions and hypocrisies
(52:21):
there, you know.
Uh, and the circle seven, firstchapter, says let the solar
stations be your guide, and theywill lead you to victory.
Like a duh, doesn't that uh thesolar station?
That's the sun, right?
But then you might go to somepeople who are actually call
themselves staunch Moors in thetemple.
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Oh, we don't teach no astrologyhere.
It's like it's crazy.
It it it it's ludicrous.
SPEAKER_01 (52:50):
So now before we cut out this brother, uh creator of
the bound boundless universe,Islam.
Thank first of all, thank youfor the seven dollars.
I really appreciate it.
All any donation, I don't careif it's two cents, we will
appreciate it.
Okay.
Uh Islam, uh, are there anysupporting materials that help
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understand the dynamics ofreading charts?
SPEAKER_04 (53:18):
Yes.
You want to know what it is?
The wheel, the circle itself.
This is the circle of life.
The circle.
Cut it into put a cross in it,that's the master seal, the
glyph of the earth.
Then put the others in it.
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Knowing, here is the supportivethat he was asking that again
out.
Know the elements first, knowthe modalities, how they move,
then know the astrology signsbecause they also have um their
characteristics.
So you're you're a scorpion.
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Scorpion rules a fixed house,thereby scorpions are fixed.
You're a scorpion, scorpion'selement is water, but there's
three types of water.
It's the initiating movingwater, it's the supervising
still water, and then there's amutating water.
So the other two signs takethat.
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You know, each sign's three.
Out of 12, there's three,there's three modalities.
Out of 12, there's fourdifferent elements.
So the three and the four iswhat?
Seven.
It's the circle seven.
You take three times four, it'stwelve.
I mean, there's uh there's signseverywhere about how this is
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right and exact, and then andand lastly, I I gotta say this.
If I were to if you say, if Iwere to say to you, this is
one-on-one.
When I say one-on-one, I don'tmean necessarily just
one-on-one, uh, the uhone-on-ones, but it it is
questioned in there.
But if I were to say to you, howmany days of a week there are?
(55:08):
I think you're gonna like thisone, Ron.
How many days are there in aweek, Ron?
SPEAKER_01 (55:12):
Seven.
SPEAKER_04 (55:13):
Seven.
All right, how many days in amonth?
SPEAKER_01 (55:16):
Uh 30.
SPEAKER_04 (55:19):
Give or take, sometimes it's 30, 31, except
for February's 28th, correct?
All right, how many days in theyear?
SPEAKER_01 (55:26):
52 days, not weeks.
Oh, 365 days.
SPEAKER_04 (55:31):
Okay, fine.
Now, for the seven days that youjust said that are in the week,
you can name them, right?
Yes, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Saturday, right?
All right, so can you name thedays that are in the month?
SPEAKER_01 (55:46):
The days that are in the month, yes, uh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (55:53):
You can't how about 365 days in a year?
Okay, yeah, I hear me out.
So that's because that there'sonly seven days now.
Let me give proof on that, andthen I'll close that.
So you have a span for so-calledSpanish or Spanish friend that
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speaks so-called Latin or whatthey call Spanish.
Ask them to name you in Spanish,so-called Spanish.
What how they say Sunday, howthey say Monday, how they say
Tuesday, Wednesday, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (56:28):
Yeah, or all of the the planets.
So oh my, right.
SPEAKER_04 (56:32):
Oh my.
SPEAKER_01 (56:33):
So Monday is moon, uh, Tuesday is uh uh uh uh Mars,
Wednesday is Mercury, Thursdayis Jupiter, Friday is Venus,
Saturday is Saturn, Sunday isthe Sun.
SPEAKER_04 (56:48):
So Monday is the moon.
In Spanish, they call MondayLuna.
You're right.
Tuesday is Mars.
In Spanish, they call TuesdayMartez, Wednesday is Mercury, in
Spanish, they call WednesdayMiracle is Thursday is uh
Jupiter, but it's a silent J.
They'll call it UEvo, or theyalso call it Thor and Hermes,
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some you know, they're all thesame.
But and then Friday is theErnes, which is Venus, and then
Saturday is Sabado, right, whichis Saturn, and then Sunday,
they'll say, oh, we say Sunday,Domingo, because it's the
dominion of the sun, as you andsun.
(57:35):
You see, you see, so note thatright there should ought be some
affirmation to our people thatthis is real, that astrologics,
cosmogen, cosmology, astronomy,astrology is real as the science
that it is, and not what theysay it is.
So if we don't get thisinformation out and recognize
(57:58):
and acknowledge it, we'll getfurther and further away from
reference points on it.
This is what the this is theproblem.
So, so we can't name seven daysin the month.
We can name seven days of theweek.
We can't name seven days of themonth, we can't name the 365
days of the year.
This is why it's just seven, andit keeps repeating itself, and
(58:22):
it's quarters, seven, seven,seven, seven.
So it's really only 28-daycycles, same as a woman's
menstrual cycle, by the way.
But they added these extra days,and we're like, Oh, okay, well,
and then we can't do the mathcorrectly, right?
So you might be able to name 365angles of light, not angels,
(58:45):
because angles are in angels areangles, 365 angles of light, but
you're not gonna name the daysotherwise, other than you know,
they got some names for that,Gabrielle, all of that, right?
With that study, but we will usethe seven days of the week and
(59:08):
not realize that it just keepsrotating round and round and
round.
So all so this is why it says,How many days?
Seven.
How many days, how many days ina week?
Seven, how many days in a month?
Seven, how many days in a year?
Seven, and people don't get it.
I trust you get that now.
SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
Yes, yes, yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_04 (59:25):
It's real, it's real talk.
Circle seven for real.
That's all it is.
It's seven cycle of seven goingover and over again.
SPEAKER_01 (59:32):
Indeed.
On that note, thank you forcoming out this evening.
Glad to have you back.
Would love to have you backagain.
We will definitely continue tobuild.
Uh, if you give them your socialmedias and everything they can,
every place they can find you.
SPEAKER_04 (59:48):
Here's yeah, that's another thing.
All right, rvbay go to class,yeah, at gmail.com.
But I just opened up thervbayonline.com.
It's not I just transferred overnow.
RV Bay Publications, I'm justcleaning up, it will remain an
(01:00:09):
archive.
We'll doing that now.
But the actual website for theexpanded site of RB Bay
Publications, it's an expandedsite, it's called RV Bay Online.
And give me just a couple ofdays.
We just changed it over.
You won't have you can do anyexchanges financially,
especially on that site becausethe old one is too old, and he
(01:00:32):
says it's not secure, butbelieve me, it is secure because
everything goes in with PayPalon that.
But anyway, RV Bay go to class.
At gmail.com.
Just use that for now becauseit's going to be go to class at
rvbayonline.com.
But rvbay go to class atgmail.com is what you should
(01:00:55):
use.
And you might want to join someof our civic classes.
And I will say this I amthinking about starting or doing
again another astrology class.
I really am because a lot ofpeople are asking and asking.
And so we've been thinking aboutthat.
I'll let you know when I lookforward to coming back on this
class.
We got to talk.
I don't know if it's the fourthor the first Monday.
Which one is it?
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:15):
Yeah, we got to figure that out.
I'm thinking of first.
I'm thinking of first Monday.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:20):
Just as long as it's not the third Monday, I have the
enlightened Asiatic with SisterKarina Bay from our uh
itinerary.
That's on the third.
Any other Monday, I'm good with.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:30):
All right.
So the first Monday, you heardit here.
See you in uh January.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:36):
Hey, so happy winter solstics for every everyone.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:41):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:42):
Thank you, Ron.
I really appreciate it.
I'm gonna get your chart.
I'm pulling, you know, I'mpulling your chart out.
I'm gonna give you uh a connect.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:48):
I am thank you, thank you, thank you for coming
out this evening.
Thanks to all the viewers.
We are out of here.
We got a podcast with a leanbait in a few minutes.
All right, and we are out.
Peace.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02:02):
All right.
Three, two.
What's going on?
Uh what's going on out there,everybody?
It's Ron Brown, LMT, thePeople's Fitness Professional,
aka Soul Brother Number One,Reporting for Duty.
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SPEAKER_01 (01:26):
All right, all right.
We're back.
We're back.
We're back.
The sister Ros Mariah Bade, thelegendary.
I like to call her thelegendary.
You know, we gotta give uh ourpeople their flowers while
they're here.
You know, that's for sure.
She's been putting in work forso many years now, and uh, like
I said, she deserves herflowers.
(01:46):
But we're talking aboutcosmology, first of all,
astrology versus cosmology.
Before we go into it, how youdoing, sister?
SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
I'm fine.
I'm just fine, and I thank youfor uh inviting me here.
I'm honored to be here today.
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Honored to have you.
Honored to have you.
Honored to have you now.
Uh before we go into the myquestions, we were discussing my
chart in the beginning.
And I like the way you broke itdown.
And so I don't mind peopleknowing my business in regards
to my sign and all of that,right?
(02:23):
Uh, because some of you know Iam a skeptic.
You've been watching the showfor for however long you've been
watching the show.
Some of you know that I am askeptic about astrology.
So um uh I I want to hear thebreakdown and and learn today.
So um we spoke about my sign,right?
And uh let's go into it.
(02:45):
So I had uh my sun sign isScorpio, right?
And then uh uh my rising isLibra and my moon sign is Libra.
SPEAKER_04 (02:58):
All right, look at that double Libra on there.
Now I don't have his chart infront of me.
I I wish I had, but I'm goingfor what he's telling me, and
that he rises as a Libra, sothat can set your houses in
order, and that he is a Scorpio.
So if he rises as a Libra, thenLibra's in the first house at
the time he was born, therebyScorpios, obviously, because it
(03:22):
stays in order in the secondhouse, and his um mid-heaven is
Cancer, and his nadir isCapricorn.
So, what you have for all thoseout there that know this the
wheel, he is absolutely reversedbecause the first house is ruled
by Aries, and the seventh house,you know, the polar reflection
(03:45):
would be Libra, but he'sreversed, so just reverse the
chart from what he's telling me.
Again, I haven't pulled it up,but even with that little bit
right there.
So, first thing you look at isI'm a Scorpio, which is water,
right?
And obviously in the secondhouse, which is Earth, Tars'
(04:08):
house.
Then you look at your rising oryour moon, because that's the
real you.
It's not the astrology sign.
That's the easiest thing theycould put on display.
That's the easiest thing theycould sell as a uh commodity or
as whatever they you knowcommercially.
So that's why a lot of peoplethey just get to topical and
(04:29):
think, oh, yeah, and becomeskeptical, right?
So you really are a Libra.
That's your moon sign.
Your moon side, that's yoursoul.
Your soul is a Libra expressingitself through the dictates of
or the characteristics of ascorpion, and then your rising
(04:50):
being um the the Libra, right?
All right, so you're expressing,you're presenting yourself
through the characteristics of ale of a Libra, which is what you
say you're I mean, uh, I'msorry, you're expressing the
dictates of your soul, which isa Libra, through the presentment
(05:12):
of a Libra.
So you got a double hit there.
I myself personally have five.
I have five signs in Libra.
So how about five?
Yeah, crazy, right?
Yes, so balance and all that isvery important.
But so you first thing that youwould look at is that what is
the element?
See, we talk about going toelementary school and we don't
(05:33):
know anything about theelements, right?
That's the first thing that youlearn.
A lot of people say, I just wantto learn my sign.
What's my sign?
What does my sign mean?
But it's a combination.
So the element is for your sunis water, and the element for
your moon self inside is air, soand and so is your rising, which
(05:57):
is communication, waves, waves.
So you start thinking, well, howdoes air and water work
together?
Because a lot of times the airbrings breath or life to the
water or the vegetation in thewater, but then it becomes a
fizzy, bubbly thing.
So certain aspects you like youdon't listen to yourself.
(06:18):
You know, it's you don't youdon't take it your own advice.
I'm not saying you don't, butthe whatever those aspects are
in, it's like what is the whatis the uh elements?
Now, what that also means isthat because water and air are
interchangeable, then it's allgood if you learn how to work
with what's being, you know,what's in front of you in terms
(06:40):
of dealing with the air and thewater.
Well, the other thing you lookat is all right, what modality
is the scorpion fixed, meaningfixed, stagnated water, not
moving.
You feel everything.
There is if there's a ripple inthe water, the scorpion feels
it.
(07:00):
And then also the propensity,propensity to not want to change
things like they're good, likethey are, but now your other two
signs, which is your soul sign,Libra, and your presentment,
Libra, you're forced to beoutgoing because Libra is it's
(07:21):
an air sign, but it's a cardinalsign, meaning that you're gonna
get stuff started.
So that's what you deal withwith yourself is you know, you
want to keep it like it is, butyou want to get it started also,
right?
Because that's what that energydoes.
And so that that I justexplained to you, you if you're
(07:41):
shaking your head like you canrelate, correct?
What are we really talking?
We're talking science, we'retalking elements, we're talking
cause and effect, not beliefsystems.
See, if people actually were todeal with astrology as the
science that they say it is, orcosmology, I'm gonna give that
(08:02):
in a second, we'll get there,then they would understand why
it why other forces to be don'twant you to deal with it.
One, if you want to talk about astudy, it's infinite.
If you want to talk about I metI can never complete this study
because it's infinite, that'sthe science you would be into.
(08:22):
Two, knowing astrology and theenergies or cosmology,
cosmogeny, you know, astronomy,like, and astrology, knowing
that and knowing what it does,what it does, it helps you first
and foremost to know yourself.
Because every discipline thatever exists says, man, know
(08:45):
thyself.
And then it says, Oh, you'remarked by quote God.
Well, what's the mark?
As the energies of the cosmos,and then you know, we'll get
more into that.
But back to you.
So you came from on your nadir,because that's all I can really
see in from what I'm saying now.
You came from a place ofdiscipline and order.
(09:07):
So either your grandmother, yourmother, your your family, um,
somewhere they they they werestrict or strict discipline or
strict order.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
Yeah, well, my um it's so funny you're saying
that.
Uh this is funny.
This is really funny, you know.
You're getting me on this one.
My uh my uh my my grandfather,he was in the military.
Um you know, World War II.
Um, my my my my grandmother, shewas just super disciplined.
(09:39):
She worked at uh, I forgot whereshe worked, but downtown
somewhere, and she was everySunday.
She was everything had to beright and exact, every single
thing.
Um, and then uh have family andlaw enforcement and all that
too.
SPEAKER_04 (09:56):
Wow.
Now, what did I just say?
I said you're in the dear whereyou came from, was strict
discipline and order.
Not because Ros Mariah's nose,it's because once you, me, or
anyone understands what theenergies are and how they work
on that precious wheel that wasleft by our ancient ancestors,
(10:18):
some call it a Dendara orwhatever you want to call it, is
the teaching tool for theelements.
And you can start out with theelements.
Well, how does fire and airwork?
Oh, well, fire needs a certainamount of air to burn.
Well, too much air to burn outof control.
Yes, it's called moderation andbalance, because everything
needs moderation and balance inlife, right?
(10:40):
So now, what you are seeking, orwhat your generational baggage
is, if that's what you want tocall it, is that you become a
little bit more or less stern, alittle bit more nurturing or
sensitive to others' feelings orothers' that owners.
SPEAKER_01 (11:03):
I'm not, hey, you hold up, hold up, time out.
That was that was good.
That was a good one, rightthere.
Nurturing, I am not.
I'm I'm terrible with that.
I'm more like, we gotta get thisdone.
This is what it is.
(11:24):
Let's go.
I don't care.
Cry, but get out and let's keepit moving.
Like, yeah, so nurturing, I amnot.
I'm terrible.
SPEAKER_04 (11:36):
Yes, that's the sternness and the discipline.
So, what you might want to say,all right.
So now I don't know what yournorth and south notice because
what I just read to you is yourgeneration, meaning your family,
quote unquote, um, quote, whatthey want to call baggage or
what needs to be changed, orwhat you you you can you can
this time break through and makechange for if it had if it needs
(11:59):
needed to be.
So that so I'm only looking atyour four cardinal points.
I you know, and from what youjust told me, I don't know where
your self note is that I have topunch it up, and I didn't do
that because because listen,guy, he didn't tell me until I
came on on the preview, and thenhe reminded me that years and
years ago, back when we were atNew York, I did his chart for
(12:20):
him.
So, of course, if I didn't knowthat, I would have pulled it up
and I would be more exactingtoday.
But I think I'm kind ofexacting, obviously, from the
reactions with what is here.
So now the other thing is um,let me see, even though uh all
right, so being a Libra on yourrising, you do concern yourself
(12:41):
with fairness and and uh uh youknow justice and people being
treated fairly.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
That's just wearing on your sleeve, right?
Man, listen, that is me.
I'm just saying, like, listen, Iam it's gotta be right and
exact, it's gotta be fair.
If it's not fair, I'm comingwith the justice.
I'm coming with the justice.
Like, nah, that's not right.
No, no, no, no, we're not doingthat.
SPEAKER_04 (13:10):
Okay, so I'm reading all of this with with just this
limited information, knowingwhat the cardinal points are and
what they mean.
So you rise that way, you youwear that part on your sleeve,
and then with you, since you'rea double Libra and it's also
your moon, it's really deep foryou.
It's really an accentuated.
(13:31):
Now, as far as see what youthink of this one, as far as the
people you want to associatewith, whether it be a mate,
whether it be a business partneror whatever, you tend more
towards people who areself-initiated, has their own
(13:51):
business, are initiators, canget stuff going, even in your
pro your life.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
I would say so.
Yeah.
They're responsible.
They're yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (14:06):
Unless you let that, unless you let that Capricorn in
the fourth house take over andwant to be in control of
everything and everybody in yourlife.
Unless you do that, what youreally need is someone that is
self-starting, self-initiating,um, not so dependent.
SPEAKER_02 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (14:27):
Right, because that's what the Aries
represents.
And in your case, that's reallyself.
We're all supposed to be, youknow, selfful, you know, we
shouldn't be selfless.
But Libras can tend to beselfless because they're so
concerned about everyone elsebeing everything else being fair
and right, and they like to dealwith unity, uh, like that.
(14:48):
But like I said, well, sometimesI say it's just it's we when
it's might just be me, you know,because if it has to get done,
it has to get done, right?
SPEAKER_01 (14:58):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (14:58):
So you're not gonna, you know, wait on that.
So that's what I see just tiptopically on doing those points.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
Now, um, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie,
(15:51):
brother.
I'm a skeptic, but this righthere, this right here has me
like, whoa.
And you see me on uh uh uhFacebook, you've been following
me on Facebook for a littlewhile, so you kind of sort of
know my personality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think she's she you spot on onsome of them joints right there,
(16:12):
yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04 (16:14):
Okay, uh, yeah, and if we get you like more uh
in-depth on your chart, likelike I would love to know what
your south and north node is,because like I read to you, your
family generational obstacle orwhatever, you have a personal
one, it's your soul's one.
And so when you find out whatyour south node and north node
(16:35):
is, then that tells you what youneed to overcome personally on
your soul baggage.
Because, like, uh, and whatyou'll find out is that even if
you haven't gotten there yet,you'll find that you can very
easily be that way.
Like, for instance, right now,Capricorn being on your on your
(16:58):
uh nadir, right?
The root, you can very easilyyou know what discipline and
order is.
You can teach, you can teachthat because you have that,
because you've experienced.
But the other part of cancerwith the nurturing, that's what
you need to learn.
So we all very uh easily slipback into where we came from and
(17:20):
what we know, we know, we know.
And that's why some people, ifthey don't evolve with
themselves, they'll just staykind of stuck back to what they
know, um, that they know rather.
Yeah, so that's what it'llindicate for you on your south
node, and no one may know thatbut you or people who are really
(17:41):
close to you, right?
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
Um, this brother right here, uh Keenan, he said,
moon on the ascendant makestotal sense how you share your
feelings and insight a lot.
Because I when I'm on Facebook,I share my insight, my feelings,
and all that on Facebook.
So I guess that's what he'ssaying.
SPEAKER_04 (18:00):
Uh uh yes, that is what he's saying, because
whatever is in the first houseum is how you present yourself,
which means it's what's worn onyour sleeve, you know, like
everybody can see that.
It's right there.
And so what he's saying now, yougo into the level of how uh,
like I just said, to know whatthe elements are, and then I say
(18:22):
to know what the modalities are,like cardinal, fixed, and then
there's mutable, where you know,people are changeable.
They change, they're not one whogets stuff started, they're not
one who's going to be fixed,meaning they make a great
supervisor.
No, that's not them.
They're the ones who can bebehind the scene and uh have no
problem making uh changes orthey mutate that they're just
(18:47):
you know easy to work with orwhatever, because they'll
they'll be up front or in theback.
Doesn't matter, just to get thework done.
And those are all the mutablesigns, you know.
But for you, you have fixed interms of these three that I know
your Trinity, you have fixed andyou have cardinals.
So you're gonna get stuffstarted, but you're also a great
supervisor because the fixedenergy is the supervising
(19:10):
energy.
The reason they don't want tochange is because, okay, how's
it supposed to be?
Oh, is it supposed to be likethat?
Then find okay, that's uh that'sthe process.
I will make sure that everythingis done like that.
So you find people who have thatfixed energy to they fit well
into what you call supervisingjobs to make or positions to get
(19:30):
stuff done.
So now, you know, uh now so nowyou go into well, what is the
energy of the signs?
Because we're these are theirhouses.
We just talked about themodalities and the uh elements,
fire, air, earth, water, commonsense, fire and air.
(19:51):
Fire and water don't go togethertoo well.
I mean, that's it.
That's just elementary.
You see, so but earth and water,they go the very together very
well because earth will receivewater, energy, or water figure
literally without trying tochange it.
(20:14):
Right.
So so fire consumes the air, andearth consumes water.
That's why on that astrologywheel, because it is a teaching
tool.
And for all you out there whohave one in front of you or
seeing one or studying, you willnever ever ever ever ever find a
fire sign next to an air signfor a reason.
(20:36):
For the reason I just gave,because there would be no
moderation, that's why you'renot gonna find it there at all.
What you will find is everyother sign, it will be a
complementary element, in otherwords, uh um Libra is air on
your first house.
(20:57):
So the next is Earth, right,which is Taurus, and then the
next is Gemini, which is air,right?
I'm sorry, I'm looking Libra,Scorpio, and then for you,
Sagittarius on your chart.
So you would have Libra as theuh on the first house, and that
(21:18):
is air, and then next to thatyou're gonna have Scorpio, which
is water, and then afterScorpio, you're gonna have
Sagittarius.
Now, those two signs over or 60degrees over, right?
Because each pie is 30 degrees.
So we're talking mathematicsnow, too.
You're gonna learn how to domathematics if you study the
style science of astrology orcosmology.
(21:42):
I'm telling you, this is part ofthe other reason why, you know,
I don't want you to learn it.
Because you know, people talkabout that mathematics and
geometry and stuff, it's rightthere, right there for you, all
of it.
So when you find that labor inyour first house and you find
that Sagittarius on your thirdhouse, let's talk about that for
a minute.
Because Sagittarius is thehigher learning in spirituality,
(22:04):
and you have that in your thirdhouse, meaning that you are
destined to communicate.
That's why you'd be behind thispodcast right now.
Because Sagittarius, I mean,third house is the house of
communications, and and in on abasic way, that third house
(22:25):
means your fat your uh kin andyour community, your brothers
and sisters, your community, andyour basic communication ability
that you learn as a child, youknow, in your community.
It's just basic.
(22:45):
Maybe you maybe you neverlearned how to communicate even
as a child, but that's what itrepresents.
And so you have there, which bythe way, of course, is it's a
polar reflection because yourchart is switched around.
Exactly.
See, a perfect chart, not aperfect chart, the chart, the
way it's laid out to teach thelesson of one self, two,
(23:07):
possessions, three,communications, or or lack
marrow home, four, home.
Where is your spirit selfmanifested in the flesh?
Going to be seated in thatfourth house of home.
Yours just happened to beCapricorn with a lot of
discipline and order.
And then then five, uh, yourcreativity, not just whether you
(23:29):
have children, but whether we'retalking about the creations of
the mind, the children of themind, because that's the house
of creation.
And then it's your service toman and mankind as six.
And then seven is okay, now thatyou got this sixth foundation,
bottom, you know, the bottom sixtimes foundation, let's step
(23:55):
into the social arena world,starting with labor and who
you're going to unite with.
Again, not whether it's a sexualrelationship, it could be a
business relationship orwhatever it is, whatever.
First that you hang out with,because the only thing that
truly opposes you in your lifeare the people that you hang
(24:22):
with.
They're the thing that canoppose you the absolute most.
So choose wisely, as they say,right?
But now you're in the socialworld, you know, like that.
So, so this is important in thatrespect.
That uh you've got Sagittariuson the third house.
You are definitely going to bealways seeking for higher
knowledge.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
That's all interesting.
This is all really interesting,right here, man.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
All really interesting.
I'm this is what I do.
Knowledge, knowledge, knowledge,knowledge, knowledge.
SPEAKER_04 (24:56):
Because it's in your third house, Sagittarius.
In other words, the third housebelongs is the house of
communications, and it meansyour basic communicating
abilities that, of course,starts at home, and you know how
you were raised and all of that.
But it's polarity, it's it'spolarity, it's 180, is
Sagittarius, which representsyour highest attainment of
(25:20):
spirituality and knowledge.
You kicked off with the highestin your third house.
You can't you came up with theyou came in here with the arrow
pointing for higher things.
Because that's the Sagittarius,right?
The Sagittarian, half man, halfbeast.
(25:40):
And that's because, you know,that's who we are.
I mean, that's what we are hereto attain, is to get rid of the
lower self, right, and attain toour higher self.
And then it's in the ninth housebecause that nine means ending.
And then then it'll go toCapricorn, which is the
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mid-heaven in its proper place,which means did you pass the
test?
Because it's very discipline andorder.
Discipline and order isnecessary.
People don't look at likedisciple discipline, you know,
they just think, oh, that's areligious Bible thing.
No, I mean, look at the words,which we're gonna get into in a
minute when we talk aboutcosmology astrology.
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But, you know, so so now, didyou make it?
You know, how are you coming upto Kronos to follow time?
Are you gonna get past the reinsof Saturn with your bull?
Nope, not with your bull, you'renot.
You're gonna have to get itright, or those rings kick you
back, you know, and you learnlearn your lessons.
That's just the way, that's whatthe teaching tool is really
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about.
So, again, you know, we haveelements, we have the
modalities, meaning how thoseelements move, they're either
fixed, then either they'reinitiating, starting stuff,
they're fixed, or they'remutating out.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it, that's it.
That's how that works.
That's elementary.
You can't escape the elementaryof it, the foundation.
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So now it's like, all right,well, we got some characters or
some energy, and they'rerepresented by each sign.
The Aries, the Taurus, theGemini, you know, like that.
And these are just depictions tofor a child to learn again an
idea of what those energies are,what the possibilities of the
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characteristics of man is onthis plane.
Because we spirit man manifestedin the flesh.
SPEAKER_02 (27:37):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_04 (27:38):
So yeah, it's it's uh it's a science, but let it
science, but um uh the otherthing with you, let me see.
Uh Sagittarius, and then youwould have Scorpio.
Did I say Sagittarius there?
Yeah, Libra, Scorpio, Sag.
I mean, you just could reverseeverything on your chart.
(28:00):
So Pisces, okay.
Let me let me add this.
Let me add this before we go,because it's about you.
All right, so your service toman and mankind, because that's
what Virgo represents.
It also represents your health.
Um, because if you don't havegood health, you didn't serving
nobody, including yourself,right?
(28:21):
We'll be, and I got this feelingyou walking into it in your
older age now, whatever that is.
I just got this feeling, correctme if I'm wrong.
We'll be dealing withspirituality or what people want
to call religion.
You question that all the time.
(28:41):
You know, you I mean, we all do,but I just had this feeling that
you recently are making sometransformation yourself.
And I'm gonna tell you why I gotthat feeling because I saw a
little clip of you, and you werein a car, and it sounded like to
me, do you know what I'm talkingabout?
And you're saying, well,whatever it is, it just is.
(29:02):
It sounded like to me you weretaking a transformation,
personal transformation.
SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
For right now, I'm definitely person taking a
personal transformation.
SPEAKER_04 (29:12):
Yeah, I really saw it.
Yeah, all right, okay, allright.
You're being forced to do thatbecause Pisces is in your sixth
house.
Now, Pisces is the ultimatespiritual house.
(29:33):
But Pisces is the beginning andthe end, and so so that's why
you're feeling what you'refeeling.
Because I I felt that when Iread it.
I was like, wow, he just askedme to come back on the show, and
then something came across.
You didn't send it to me.
And I felt like he's goingthrough a transformation
himself.
So now, if that if I'm right andyou're saying I am, this is what
I'm just reading right now whilewe're sitting here on this
paper.
Pisces is in your sixth house.
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Your sixth house is just serviceto man and mankind.
Meaning, what see, that's anearth sign.
That's an earth sign, it's thesecond earth sign because the
first earth sign is Taurus andit's about your possessions.
But Virgo says, all right, well,how are we gonna get those
possessions?
So that's the hat, that's whythey'll say that's the house of
your job.
That's why they say it.
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That's the house of your job.
No, it's really a house of yourservice to man and mankind.
So that equates to people thatthat's the job I'm gonna do.
So for you, it is thistransformation, it's because
you're feeling a strong pullregarding spirituality and why
are we here and the wholemystery life, whatever it is
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that you're going throughpersonally, is because.
You got to bring thatspirituality into your work.
SPEAKER_01 (30:45):
I always knew that though.
See?
Yeah.
I always knew that.
That's why I'm doing that's oneof the reasons why I'm doing
this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:54):
Okay.
Well, I appreciate and I reallyappreciate you um inviting me to
be a part of uh, you know,divine law governs all events.
Because what I just told you iswhat I said I saw in that clip
that you had sent.
But so now it's right.
So I so I saw that.
But now I'm looking at yourchart and I really see it.
So this is what's happening foryou.
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This is why that's happening foryou.
unknown (31:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (31:19):
Uh-huh.
And then all right, all right,we got it almost there.
That's the end, right?
All right, so Aries.
Yeah, you need a you need a uhuh a mate that is uh strong,
that is sure about what theywant to do, and is self-starter
themselves.
That's what you need.
(31:39):
Okay, that's that's how I gonnahave to go down.
So don't uh don't try tosuppress any of that.
That's good, and um you willcreate possessions and leave
something as a legacy.
(32:01):
You will, and then um your wow,you got that Gemini in the ninth
house.
All right, so I don't knowanything about your education, I
don't know nothing about that atall personally.
Um, I get the sense that you mayhave had some higher learning
(32:22):
college or okay, but guess what?
You got a duality, so thistransformation that you're doing
right now is because in yourhouse of education or higher
knowledge, there's a duality.
So you're gonna end up havingtwo different types of you.
You probably gone through thatnow.
(32:43):
I don't know.
It's like, wait a minute, Ithought I was it's like most of
you, I thought I was supposed togo down this road, get that, get
that degree, and this and that,and that, and I'm gonna be good,
right?
You have a duality, clearly, andyou probably are seeing it now.
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
Um, I've been seeing that all my life.
I've been seeing that all mylife.
SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
Wow, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:02):
I I like you know, I you know, I wanted to uh uh do
like you know, of course, schooldid that, and um, but now I'm
like, I'm like, should I go backto school or should I just focus
on self-study or the teachingsthat I that that I'm most
passionate about, which is uh 5%Morris Science and uh NOI and
(33:28):
all of these teachings, all thepeople that I have on this
platform is just a reflection ofwhat goes on in my mind, like
things that I want to know moreabout.
SPEAKER_04 (33:39):
That's great that you're able to, you know, and
you know, actually express artum through communication.
That's that's that's heavy,that's a good one, especially
now, because the what peoplethought was the way to go and
the you know, the pie and thesky, none of that.
All of that is falling.
Let's face it, all of that isfalling down in front of most
(34:01):
people today.
And the reason is that you haveto follow, right?
As you say, you have done thedictates of your soul and the
construct may have had it sothat that's not what you you've
got to do.
This and you've got to do itthat way.
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So your yellow brick road isyour yellow brick road.
My yellow brick road is myyellow brick road.
What people seem to want a lot,if I can put it this way, is
that they want you have to godown your own yellow brick road.
There's lions and tigers andbears over, you know, to find
the truth for you, right?
(34:43):
Because we believe a lot, butyou can you have to go from
belief to knowing.
You just gotta graduate to frombelief to knowing.
So, what people want to do isthey want you to pick them up
and carry them down their yellowbrick road.
It can't be done, right?
It can't be done, and thenpeople talk about, you know,
(35:04):
what do I do?
Well, there's a I think uh inthe biblios healer take the
Bible or whatever, which by theway, they took 66 books of what
was already written.
So I'm not putting, I'm justsaying, because a lot of people
follow that.
Uh, it says the table isprepared for you, right?
So, what you so how do you know?
You hear you talk to people andthey say, Well, I don't like
this and I don't like that.
(35:24):
Well, I tried that, but I don'tlike that.
Well, that's because you're notat the table that's prepared for
you, because the table that isprepared for you, you're going
to like everything on it, eveneven the experiences or the
trials and the tribulations, butyou're going to endure and
you're going to like what's onthat table for you.
So back to astrology andcosmology.
(35:45):
They turned you away from it tokeep you from knowing thyself,
and have the nerve to say, inall the disciplines, man, know
thyself.
So you, you know, I am that Iam.
And that's one of the ways tofind out because, like, even
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like what you what we're sharinghere, which is actually limited
on your chart, but stillaccurate because this, because
it's accurate, it's a science.
It's a science, it's accurate.
SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Now, now I want to go into um um astra.
Now I uh we only have an hour,right?
So yeah, but but I don't know ifyou would if you want to do two
hours next time if you come backup or whatever, like that.
You know, because I had anotherbrother.
Uh, he was like, give me twohours, give me two hours.
So I don't know.
(36:40):
I don't know how you would wantto do that.
SPEAKER_04 (36:41):
Well, he wanted two hours for astrology.
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
No, he wanted two hours to teach something else,
and then I got another brother,he wants to do two hours to
teach something else.
So I don't know if the hourslot.
SPEAKER_04 (36:51):
Let me put it to you like this every Wednesday at
7:30, that's where my two-hourtime is for teaching and sharing
information.
SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_04 (37:01):
It really is.
I every week I put together somepresentment, visual, whatever
like that, and time into it.
So that's what I do, andeverybody can come to that class
um if they wish to.
It's the civics, and then let meget this out the way now, and
then we have um every firstSunday of the month, uh Sister J
(37:24):
Be does a study out of theCircle Seven Quran, right?
One o'clock.
And then every third month,third Sunday, I do a sister
standing on law presentment.
That's once a month.
And then Sister Karima Bay doeswhat's called enlightened
Asiatic every third Monday, butevery Wednesday we're there.
(37:50):
We're I I do class, so I'm goodwith the hour, hour and a half,
whatever it is.
I I, you know, maybe maybe someof the people will have
questions or whatever like that.
Because I wasn't exactly whatI'm sharing now, is like I
wasn't exactly prepared.
I wish I had a known I had doneyour chart.
I definitely would have beenprepared to do it.
(38:10):
So I do would like to come.
I really want to know what yourSouth and North Note is, and see
what you say about that and howaccurate that is.
So, you being a non-believer,let me just or skeptical, you
said.
Yeah, if you know anything,look.
So I don't know what your nextquestion is, but um uh I'm
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prepared to try to break downthe oh let me just say this.
So, as far as knowing your umastrology, your chart, your your
navigating chart upon thispiece, right?
Um, it helps you to navigate.
But what you also get out of itfor humanity, it really helps
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you to understand other peopleand why they may do what they do
so that you're not offended somuch.
Personally, it gets you to sayto yourself, and this is the I
think the most important foranyone, because we all seek
validation and so on like that,and we all have these thoughts
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in our head that this constructhas not made it so that you
would create, that you would goahead and you know, see that
through, because you got to doit like this in the box, you
know, uh for control.
So the thing is that it wouldteach you and show you there's
nothing wrong with me.
You that's what you would say toyourself.
I know now why I do that.
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So now, like anything, if thereis a problem or situation, you
have to know the components ofit to fix it or to change it or
whatever.
So, even with self, you have toknow self yourself, right?
And you can say, hey, I get whyI do that.
Now, maybe it's something thatthis chart has that you do that
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you ought not be doing.
Why?
Because it's what you're herefor to learn how not to do
because you did it before, andthere is no really before
because it's a continuum.
But just for the sake ofwording, you've done it before,
you're back here to learn thatlesson.
SPEAKER_01 (40:15):
I like how you put that.
I like how you put that.
It's a lot to unpack therebefore before we continue.
I just want to make an uhacknowledge, Nicholas Bay.
Thank you for the five dollars,Islam Brother Ron, and
gratitude, Ros Mariah.
Bay, love and appreciateeverything you have done and
continue to do.
Peace to you, both.
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Peace to you.
SPEAKER_04 (40:37):
All right, thank you.
I say to say kudos, thank you somuch.
SPEAKER_01 (40:41):
All right.
Now, um uh we got about 20minutes.
So if I can break down astrologyversus cosmology.
Now, before we go into that,right?
I have a question.
Astrology from what from whatI've learned over the years, I
had a teacher in college who wasjust so opposed to astrology and
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crystals and everything.
She used to go in on thosethings.
Uh she's like what we call likea Western thinker.
You know, uh, you know, I comefrom like a uh a massage
therapy, physical therapybackground.
So, you know, it's all aboutmuscle tissue results and blood
(41:26):
and you know, science, science.
So uh she used to go crazy onit.
Um, and so this would be aquestion from her, right?
And myself.
Astrology is is not supported,uh uh um is not supported by
controlled scientific studies.
Why why should it be consideredcredible?
SPEAKER_03 (41:49):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
Okay, let me get you a littlestar me.
SPEAKER_04 (41:55):
Cosmogeny and the effects of cosmogeny, which is
an ancient word.
I'm gonna I'm gonna say it'sancient to make a comparison
here, and the effects ofanything is the ologies, right?
So cosmology, then you haveastronomy that they use today,
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and they say that's scientific,right?
Don't they say astronomy isscience?
All right, they say, right, thatastronomy is scientific, but not
the effects.
There's no effects on the peopleat all.
Now, these planets are movingaround and they got all this
energy and stuff.
So let us get to thinking themoon is a planetary body, and
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when it is at its fullness,whether it's a new moon ready to
be filled because it's movedaway from the sun, the light, or
whether it's a full moon filledwith light, and it's eight
phases, and when it shows asfull, does it pull the tides of
the oceans on the earth?
SPEAKER_01 (42:58):
Sure it is.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Oh, all right.
How much how much water we what75, 80?
I keep hearing it changepercent.
SPEAKER_02 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:07):
We're made up of water, yeah, and so we are what
either vain as heck or ignorantas heck to even think for a
second that it doesn't affectyou.
That's like ludicrous, right?
(43:28):
Now, the other unseen energies,you know, because it's the
unseen that creates the scene,however, you want to go into
that, they all have planetaryenergy.
So cosmogeny would be more ofthe entire universe because
there's there's other probablyuniverses and things that we
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don't see, uh, right?
And planetary bodies that arecoming into play because they
take a while to get to do theircycle.
There's probably planetarybodies we haven't seen.
For an example, when the modernstudies of astrology, even a
little bit less uh behindmodern, because I'll tell you a
(44:11):
story about the modern, theythought that Venus, which is the
mother planet, the feminine isenergy, and the polarity is
Mars, which is the masculine inthis energy.
They thought that Venus was twodifferent planets.
You know why?
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Because they didn't know enoughto know that she rises in the
morning.
She's the morning star and thatand her and and at night, but
only at night because she's thelast to go to bed.
Let me just put it that way.
She's the last.
She rises in the morning, putsthe house together, all that,
whatever the children, whatevershe gotta do, go to work,
whatever.
And then she's the last to go toas far as her shiny.
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They thought, her shining in thesky, that they were two
different planets from theirignorance.
Give you another one.
Early 1900s, I think it's 1932,when they discovered in their
modern, modern astronomystudies, that the planet Pluto
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even existed, didn't even knowit existed.
See, this is why we have to getto thinking.
So, how I see about cosmogenyand that word and cosmology,
think this.
We're talking about as above, sobeloved.
We're talking about the factthat everybody says they praying
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to the God above or whatever,like that, without knowing that
it the God above is you,standing with your feet flat on
this earth, and the above isyour mind, a companion to your
spirit, right?
So, but nonetheless, theylooking up all the time, looking
up all the time, and so they'repraying to the air, the
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soundless sound, which isthought.
So, what happens if you and Iare able to transmit a thought
and receive a thought at thesame time?
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We can do that, right?
We do do that, right?
Whether we recognize it or not.
Because you know, you're alwaysthinking in your head, you're
not you may not be talking toyourself, but you're talking to
yourself.
Yes, you are.
Who else would you be talking tobut yourself in your head?
So you're able to transmit athought and receive a thought.
Yeah, I prayed to God and Hegave me the answer, whatever it
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is you're thinking or toyourself.
That means you have to have atransmitter.
You have to have a you are thetransmitter, but you have to
have an antenna.
You're the transmitter becauseyou can transmit and receive at
the same time.
Nobody argues about that, but noone thinks about, well, what's
my antenna?
Because you know you gotta haveone.
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Your antenna is made ofsilicone, grows out of your hair
in a spiral fashion.
It's your hair is your antenna.
So this is why they call thescience of you going to
cosmology school to fix people'shair, it's called cosmetology.
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That's where that comes from.
It's not a play on words.
So if we take you away fromthose truths and get you to only
talk about astronomy, which ismore like the stars, and you
know, like they like trying topinpoint it to the limitations
that they have in studying,because they just found Pluto,
right?
So, and they thought Venus wastwo planets.
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So if we can take you away fromthe word cosmology, which is
what it is, then you will notthink and you won't give any
thought to what I just saidabout why the science of
treating of the hair is calledcosmos, to me, is called
cosmetology.
Oh, you say, oh no, Raj, that'sjust a play on words.
(48:15):
It is not now.
Let me tell you why the scienceof barbering, which is usually
for men's hair, is calledtonsorialist.
Tonsorialist means tune, so likein tune, tone, tone,
tonsirealist.
Because the same thing applies.
And the tone means your diatonictones that you the vibrations
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that you send out.
But they call it a tonesurrealist because it's the same
as hair, both of them beingdealing with hair, because it's
about your tone or your tuningin.
So they say, Well, we're gonnaget rid of that word too.
So now here we all talk about,well, what's the difference?
You know, and it's all good.
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Essentially, I would say thereis no difference, it's just a
matter of using words.
But narrowing it a little, I'dsay cosmogony.
They don't say cosmogony, theyjust talk about the effects of
cosmogeny, cosmogony, becauseastronomy is where the planets
are, the heavenly bodies arelocated.
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Where are they right now?
Because they move a lot, right?
That's astronomy, and they callthat science, but the effects of
them is called astrology, socosmogeny is also more universal
where all the planets are, whereeverything is, all the bodies,
and the effects is calledcosmology.
So, in that respect, they arethe same.
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But when you come down to thisconstruct again, I will say
this.
I said it already, that whenthey bag tag, name and claim
everything, right?
You can go to school to learnastrology, but when you get that
certificate, you can't talkabout certain things.
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And then if you do, you'll getfined.
So I was thinking, I'm gonna goto their school just to see what
they say, but I'm never gonnaget the certificate.
I'm not gonna sign up for thecertificate and just to see.
And I also know some people whohave gone to all the schools
that they have, and they'relike, wow, science of the
(50:28):
universe is science of theuniverse, they're not teaching
it that way.
So, and let me just say this,and then we can go.
I guess I mean, so I I I lookedup once I took once you told me,
like I really this morning, I uhI read something real quick.
Um, and this is from a personwho is studying for astrophysics
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to be an astrophysicist.
I think they've been studyingfor five years, and uh name is
An Schuman Acharya, Acharia, aformer visiting master's student
at Harvard Smithsonian Centerfor Astrophysics.
So, the difference betweenastrology, astronomy, cosmology.
(51:12):
Now, just the first couple lineshere.
Well, he says, first thingsfirst, do not compare astrology,
and then parentheses, as itstands presently.
See, that's the kind of readingthat that it turns the it turns
the hands up on us because likeas it stands presently, that
means what people think theyunderstand that it is right now,
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but he says it with actualsciences like astronomy and
cosmology.
That doesn't even make sense.
So, how's astronomy science andcosmology is science too?
And on another one, they'recalling cosmogeny or cosmology
science, but it's the mother ofthe astrology, you know.
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They like to leave mother outall the time.
You put mother back in there,you'll be good, and you'll have
a better understanding of thesethings.
And now the churches, of course,they don't want you to do it,
but yet in their book, they saythis is the book of what is,
what was, and what's to come.
A book of Ezekiel is in therethat's nothing but the astrology
will.
So there's a lot of umcontradictions and hypocrisies
(52:21):
there, you know.
Uh, and the circle seven, firstchapter, says let the solar
stations be your guide, and theywill lead you to victory.
Like a duh, doesn't that uh thesolar station?
That's the sun, right?
But then you might go to somepeople who are actually call
themselves staunch Moors in thetemple.
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Oh, we don't teach no astrologyhere.
It's like it's crazy.
It it it it's ludicrous.
SPEAKER_01 (52:50):
So now before we cut out this brother, uh creator of
the bound boundless universe,Islam.
Thank first of all, thank youfor the seven dollars.
I really appreciate it.
All any donation, I don't careif it's two cents, we will
appreciate it.
Okay.
Uh Islam, uh, are there anysupporting materials that help
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understand the dynamics ofreading charts?
SPEAKER_04 (53:18):
Yes.
You want to know what it is?
The wheel, the circle itself.
This is the circle of life.
The circle.
Cut it into put a cross in it,that's the master seal, the
glyph of the earth.
Then put the others in it.
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Knowing, here is the supportivethat he was asking that again
out.
Know the elements first, knowthe modalities, how they move,
then know the astrology signsbecause they also have um their
characteristics.
So you're you're a scorpion.
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Scorpion rules a fixed house,thereby scorpions are fixed.
You're a scorpion, scorpion'selement is water, but there's
three types of water.
It's the initiating movingwater, it's the supervising
still water, and then there's amutating water.
So the other two signs takethat.
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You know, each sign's three.
Out of 12, there's three,there's three modalities.
Out of 12, there's fourdifferent elements.
So the three and the four iswhat?
Seven.
It's the circle seven.
You take three times four, it'stwelve.
I mean, there's uh there's signseverywhere about how this is
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right and exact, and then andand lastly, I I gotta say this.
If I were to if you say, if Iwere to say to you, this is
one-on-one.
When I say one-on-one, I don'tmean necessarily just
one-on-one, uh, the uhone-on-ones, but it it is
questioned in there.
But if I were to say to you, howmany days of a week there are?
(55:08):
I think you're gonna like thisone, Ron.
How many days are there in aweek, Ron?
SPEAKER_01 (55:12):
Seven.
SPEAKER_04 (55:13):
Seven.
All right, how many days in amonth?
SPEAKER_01 (55:16):
Uh 30.
SPEAKER_04 (55:19):
Give or take, sometimes it's 30, 31, except
for February's 28th, correct?
All right, how many days in theyear?
SPEAKER_01 (55:26):
52 days, not weeks.
Oh, 365 days.
SPEAKER_04 (55:31):
Okay, fine.
Now, for the seven days that youjust said that are in the week,
you can name them, right?
Yes, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Saturday, right?
All right, so can you name thedays that are in the month?
SPEAKER_01 (55:46):
The days that are in the month, yes, uh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (55:53):
You can't how about 365 days in a year?
Okay, yeah, I hear me out.
So that's because that there'sonly seven days now.
Let me give proof on that, andthen I'll close that.
So you have a span for so-calledSpanish or Spanish friend that
(56:13):
speaks so-called Latin or whatthey call Spanish.
Ask them to name you in Spanish,so-called Spanish.
What how they say Sunday, howthey say Monday, how they say
Tuesday, Wednesday, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (56:28):
Yeah, or all of the the planets.
So oh my, right.
SPEAKER_04 (56:32):
Oh my.
SPEAKER_01 (56:33):
So Monday is moon, uh, Tuesday is uh uh uh uh Mars,
Wednesday is Mercury, Thursdayis Jupiter, Friday is Venus,
Saturday is Saturn, Sunday isthe Sun.
SPEAKER_04 (56:48):
So Monday is the moon.
In Spanish, they call MondayLuna.
You're right.
Tuesday is Mars.
In Spanish, they call TuesdayMartez, Wednesday is Mercury, in
Spanish, they call WednesdayMiracle is Thursday is uh
Jupiter, but it's a silent J.
They'll call it UEvo, or theyalso call it Thor and Hermes,
(57:13):
some you know, they're all thesame.
But and then Friday is theErnes, which is Venus, and then
Saturday is Sabado, right, whichis Saturn, and then Sunday,
they'll say, oh, we say Sunday,Domingo, because it's the
dominion of the sun, as you andsun.
(57:35):
You see, you see, so note thatright there should ought be some
affirmation to our people thatthis is real, that astrologics,
cosmogen, cosmology, astronomy,astrology is real as the science
that it is, and not what theysay it is.
So if we don't get thisinformation out and recognize
(57:58):
and acknowledge it, we'll getfurther and further away from
reference points on it.
This is what the this is theproblem.
So, so we can't name seven daysin the month.
We can name seven days of theweek.
We can't name seven days of themonth, we can't name the 365
days of the year.
This is why it's just seven, andit keeps repeating itself, and
(58:22):
it's quarters, seven, seven,seven, seven.
So it's really only 28-daycycles, same as a woman's
menstrual cycle, by the way.
But they added these extra days,and we're like, Oh, okay, well,
and then we can't do the mathcorrectly, right?
So you might be able to name 365angles of light, not angels,
(58:45):
because angles are in angels areangles, 365 angles of light, but
you're not gonna name the daysotherwise, other than you know,
they got some names for that,Gabrielle, all of that, right?
With that study, but we will usethe seven days of the week and
(59:08):
not realize that it just keepsrotating round and round and
round.
So all so this is why it says,How many days?
Seven.
How many days, how many days ina week?
Seven, how many days in a month?
Seven, how many days in a year?
Seven, and people don't get it.
I trust you get that now.
SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
Yes, yes, yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_04 (59:25):
It's real, it's real talk.
Circle seven for real.
That's all it is.
It's seven cycle of seven goingover and over again.
SPEAKER_01 (59:32):
Indeed.
On that note, thank you forcoming out this evening.
Glad to have you back.
Would love to have you backagain.
We will definitely continue tobuild.
Uh, if you give them your socialmedias and everything they can,
every place they can find you.
SPEAKER_04 (59:48):
Here's yeah, that's another thing.
All right, rvbay go to class,yeah, at gmail.com.
But I just opened up thervbayonline.com.
It's not I just transferred overnow.
RV Bay Publications, I'm justcleaning up, it will remain an
(01:00:09):
archive.
We'll doing that now.
But the actual website for theexpanded site of RB Bay
Publications, it's an expandedsite, it's called RV Bay Online.
And give me just a couple ofdays.
We just changed it over.
You won't have you can do anyexchanges financially,
especially on that site becausethe old one is too old, and he
(01:00:32):
says it's not secure, butbelieve me, it is secure because
everything goes in with PayPalon that.
But anyway, RV Bay go to class.
At gmail.com.
Just use that for now becauseit's going to be go to class at
rvbayonline.com.
But rvbay go to class atgmail.com is what you should
(01:00:55):
use.
And you might want to join someof our civic classes.
And I will say this I amthinking about starting or doing
again another astrology class.
I really am because a lot ofpeople are asking and asking.
And so we've been thinking aboutthat.
I'll let you know when I lookforward to coming back on this
class.
We got to talk.
I don't know if it's the fourthor the first Monday.
Which one is it?
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:15):
Yeah, we got to figure that out.
I'm thinking of first.
I'm thinking of first Monday.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:20):
Just as long as it's not the third Monday, I have the
enlightened Asiatic with SisterKarina Bay from our uh
itinerary.
That's on the third.
Any other Monday, I'm good with.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:30):
All right.
So the first Monday, you heardit here.
See you in uh January.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:36):
Hey, so happy winter solstics for every everyone.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:41):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:42):
Thank you, Ron.
I really appreciate it.
I'm gonna get your chart.
I'm pulling, you know, I'mpulling your chart out.
I'm gonna give you uh a connect.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:48):
I am thank you, thank you, thank you for coming
out this evening.
Thanks to all the viewers.
We are out of here.
We got a podcast with a leanbait in a few minutes.
All right, and we are out.
Peace.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02:02):
All right.
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