Clock of Destiny Part 1 - Nakiim Bey - NYPTALKSHOW Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
what's going on everybody?
It's ron brown lmt, thepeople's fitness professional,
aka soul brother number one onthe reporting for duty.
We got the brother nike bay inthe building.
Uh, peace to the brother nikebay we had.
We're talking about the clockof destiny right now.
Clock of destiny to me is oneof um, it's, it's.

(00:31):
To me, it's a this is just acipher I never really delved
deep into.
So I, I, you know, I don't, Idon't like the under, I don't
have a a deeper understanding ofthose teachings.
I just have a little issue withyou know the Zodiac and
astrology and things like that,because for what I know,

(00:54):
astrology, you know, as it'staught here in the West, is not
right and exact, so it's not aright and exact science.
So that's just my issue andmaybe you could inform me on
what the zodiac is for the clockof destiny.
But first off, peace to you,how you doing this evening I'm

(01:18):
great, my brother face, pleasetake it back.
All right.
So the first question is whatis the Clock of Destiny and who
founded it?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
The Clock of Destiny.
That means the Zodiac All right.
Number two, the founder, isknown as CMB, also called
Charles Mosley Bay or dr CM Bay.
He had a PhD and an LOD, and lawas well oh, I didn't know that

(01:54):
yes, yes, and you will see alsoin his book the clock of destiny
at the bottom page.
You know he went to theUniversity of Chicago.
You know as well PhD and LD,with the Doctor of the Laws,
which is primarily honorarydegree at that time.

(02:19):
Yes, wow, ok, it was founded inCleveland Ohio.
He made way from Chicago toDetroit to Cleveland Ohio.
The clock was established in1947.
He revised a lot of thematerials, the documents, in

(02:46):
1952.
He passed away, if I recall, in1973.
I think it was 75.
I remember the last article Iread and he passed away through
a stroke.
He had a stroke Right and therewere a lot of writings that he
comprised when he had a strokeright and there were a lot of
writings that he um comprisedwhen he had a stroke um very

(03:10):
meaningful to the organizationitself okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
So what is the clock of destiny?
You said it's just a zodiacright.
What is the clock of destiny?
You said it's just a Zodiacright.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, the clock of destiny the term itself comes
from the Roscoe Fellowship.
One of their charts identifiesit to be the clock of destiny,
which is the Zodiac Right andthe basis of the organization.
That was the foundation.

(03:45):
But the basis of theorganization, that was the
foundation.
But the basis of theorganization was to solve the
economic, social and politicalproblems.
So I'm quoting that to youbecause the clock one and the
clock two says that we ought tosolve our economic and social
problems.
And then in Circle of Life, histhird book, he mentioned that we

(04:06):
have to solve our economic,social and political problems
right.
And he said in Circle of Life,in the introductional page
second to the last paragraph, hesaid that our condition as a
people, socially, is due to oureconomic enslavement, meaning we

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have economic problems and sobecause we have that problem, we
have also a social problem.
And if we can solve oureconomic problem right, then we
can solve our social problem.
So the Cog of Destiny wasfounded on that right for our
people to solve an economicproblem, meaning financial
situation right and socialproblems right.

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They have a better life, abetter condition, a better
career, a better future.
And the political problem thatwas mentioned in the other book
and you can see now.
You know that there's a bigproblem in the world Right and
in Congregational Value 1, inthe back of the pages towards

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the end, he says that theEuropeans badly need our help
and so it was really based onthose three things that we
should be focused on in theclock, and astrology was the

(05:31):
basis of that, and I can go intowhy.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
But I'll allow your questions to flow.
Okay, okay, that's peace rightthere.
Peace, nakeem, how you doing,brother?

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I'm good and yourself .

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I'm good.
I'm good man, Glad to hear you,glad to see you.
Second question I have how doesthe Clock of Destiny Differ
from the more science Movement,Like the more science temple of
America?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, the Clock of Destiny Is not a Religious
organization.
So that's one Right and two CMBreligious organization.
So that's one Right and two CMB.
He said that we are scientificand cultural morals Right, and

(06:16):
we are to represent that Right,that we're not religious morals.
But there's nothing wrong withmorals if they were religion, if
you need religion, you know,because it gives them stillness
and peace of mind and structureand so forth, right.
But the clock, you know, wasfor a certain membership and

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also it was private.
Your question, bob, is a goodquestion, because the MSTFA is a
public organization but theAdelaide Chamber is a private
component of the Morish andNational Divine Movement.
So everyone can go to MSTFA andclaim birthright, which they

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should right.
But if you want higherknowledge and want to be more
responsible for structure andgovernment and divine principles
right and get more in-depthabout the movement that the
Prophet Javi established, thenyou go to the Adept Chamber.
The Clock of Destiny is theAdept Chamber.

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It's not from the MSTFA per se,right, but it's adapt knowledge
, like Marcus Bay said on histapes, who was a student of CM
Bay, that the congregation hasadapt knowledge, right.
So the clock wasn't for thegeneral population, it wasn't

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for the public.
It was for a think tank ofgreat minds coming together for
a common cause and to have thosemembers in the organization
work on solving the economic andsocial and political problem of
the world.
But first of all it was closed.

(08:04):
It was closed until exiledmembers that seemed to be exiled
in 1968, 1969, until they, youknow, you put somebody out to
get disenfranchised, to get madand they do whatever right.
So they started duplicatingdocuments and all kinds of stuff
, right, and so it went haywire,it went crazy.
But the clock had always been aprivate organization, a closed

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organization.
It was never for the public.
It's why on the original legalguide for court action for the
Moors and the clock it statedthat that's not a card.
A temple card was for membersonly, Right.
So it's obvious, if you wasn'ta member, it's simple you

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weren't entitled to all therights, likes and benefits.
I'll say it again If you're nota member, it means you are not
entitled to the rights, likesand benefits of the organization
, any person.
It was laid down by CMB.
Exactly so that organization,any personal it was laid down by
cmb exactly so.
That's the difference betweenimmaturity and and the clock.
There's no disharmony, there'sno enemy or hate involved.

(09:14):
Is this?
Several organizations withgreat missions, similar right,
but on the preamble that wefollow, right and astrology, we
are guided by those who sayastrology in the clock.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
OK, ok, so who was CMB and what makes his teachings
unique?
I think you already answer whoCMB is or was.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
What makes his teachers unique is that the
masses of people called BlackAfrican Indians, west Indians,
et cetera.
They don't have no constitution, no seal, no constitution, no,
no flag and no laws, and therewas self-government.

(10:11):
He brought us our more gracefulconstitution for a free people
and by that way you become free,more American, under the
umbrella of Pachacabesha.
So you got people of color andI understand to a degree
fighting to partake in theConstitution of the United

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States.
The history shows that it wasnot written for you.
Yet you were instrumental inestablishing the Constitution or
fighting for the Constitutionor being a great American
citizen, but you were neverincluded.
So you're forcing yourself inplaces where you're not wanted.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Right.
So the CNB gave you aConstitution to stand on, along
with your free national name,bay or Ill.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
The CNB did too.
Right.
The CMB came a little bit afterthe movement in material vein,
regarding whatever went down inhistory in 28, 29, and so forth,
right, but he came and hetargeted a certain group of
individuals, right, and hewanted them to come to the fold.
And what CMA said on the coverof Harvest, destiny, especially

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formations and who, easternStars, structure, discipline,
insight, government principles,right, and they can definitely
move the agenda, especially forthem, not saying anybody else,
but especially for them, allright.

(11:49):
So a constitution you have, youknow, and also, you know, the
prophet came with the same idea.
It was about businesses, right.
I'm going to quote you righthere, the preamble, first
paragraph Portion.
I'm going to quote you righthere, the preamble, first
paragraph portion.
We, the members of the MorrisConstitutional National Order,

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must promote organized effort inthe category of all legal
business enterprises such aschain stores, unnecessary human
consumption, housing andbuilding programs, agriculture,
printing, literature, home groupeducation and the Morse signs
of the Zodiac involving humancharacter, sociology, economics,
commerce, the science of goodgovernment, et cetera.

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We, the Morse American members,irish-american members and also
the European Americans or thewhite people union society, at
that time, 48 states equallydepend upon one another for
economic security and progressand peace.
That's two paragraphs for thepreamble.

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That gives you the aims andobjectives of proclamation.
But many came and many havegone, because that is a big
responsibility for one to pickup.
So you can see our direction,what makes us unique and
different.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
So it's more like a, you know, a more civic relation
concept.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Absolutely Like I said.
Yep, it's more of a civicdemonstration.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
And you know, and to add to that the registration of
AA-222-141, that right there,right.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Absolutely, absolutely.
You know he registered thatlibrary of congress um based on
his document.
It said also us department ofjustice.
Yeah, many say that I havechanged the copyright number you

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.
But if you're intelligentenough, if you, brother, ron
right, mickey right, if eitherone of you today published a
book, right, yeah, if you put onthat book copyright, do you
assign it a number, or theCongress signs it a number.

(14:24):
The Congress assigns it anumber.
Library of Congress.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Library of Congress.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Can I go behind you or you?
No, personally, change yournumber.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
People have said many times.
I have changed the copyrightnumber.
It shows you how unintelligentmany of them are.
You know how less informed theyare.
Right, see, they don't know howto use the number.
That is to their advantage andthen, pardon me, disadvantage.

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And because they're not amember on the inside, they would
never know how to use thenumber.
You see, I'm saying you can,you can tie it into title 22,
chapter 241, council of courts.
Right well, you have to knowhow to use that with your

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constitution.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Right well, you have to know how to use that with
your constitution, you know oneor two, and really only messiah,
and I may only want to know howto use it right, because it's
not for you as an individual,it's for the nation, right for
people.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So we have people that have taken on this
knowledge and have abused it,misused it.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
See, when you study the signs, you cannot today be
an unconscious person, not knowwho you are and your origin in
this world, and you worship whatyou know, not not understand
that you easily in the wrongdirection.
The heart led in the rightdirection and then tomorrow you
get the clock books and a car inyour pocket and now you more as

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american.
It took you seven years to gettoxic in your body, which is is
pig In words.
You're thinking about the sameamount of years or more to get
rid of the poison in your body.
So imagine the poison now inyour brain.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, you are what you eat, baby.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right, so many of them.
They have misinformed othersRight.
But I use you as a logic,common sense, right?
You know the clock.
If you know what I had done inthe past, the move that I had
made with the clock, right,success stories right, it was

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the Morse counseling.
It wasn't made up, it was thereal deal.
That was through seeing baseworks.
When you open your eyes, yourealize that a lot of Asiatics,
they just want this knowledge sothey can deal with their
selfish interests.
Our people are not a subject ofconcern.
We have a passion for theupliftment, right, because we

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have a job to uplift allhumanity, not only to get a card
in their pocket or put astraight kind of headpiece on
their head, but to show them howto solve their economic and
social problems.
And then we're going topolitical problems.
Go ahead, brother, that's right.
And there's social problems,and then we're going to
political problems.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Go ahead brother, that's right.
I just had to ask that that'speace, man.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
No, no, brother.
Actually you know it's a goodquestion.
I'm glad you did.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, definitely so.
What does the clock actuallysymbolize in the doctrine?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
What you mean in the doctrine.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Like within the clock of destiny, like the term clock
he used, because I know youknow.
The title itself says you know,man knowing how to move through
space time.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right, right right right, I got you, so I said it
earlier.
I think it just came on rightProbably like a minute.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Afterwards.
It's a zodiac.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's a zodiac.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
See the zodiac brother and.
I hear you, brother Ron.
It's simple, right.
I always tell people well, thisstrategy is the Eastern and the
Western and the Citadel.
Listen, look in your chart,your natal chart, and you tell

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me that those certaincharacteristics resemble you.
That's all and that is thetruth.
And the law is called perfectevidence.
I'm a Leo and you know I'm aLeo, but I'm a cancer rising.
You know I'm a cancer rising.
I need that balance.
I don't need fine water, I needthe subtleness, I need the

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spark.
But CRA was a Pisces Foresightand vision.
So I'm in heaven as a Pisces.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Real quick.
Creator of boundless universe.
I think that's cosmology.
Cosmology, ask whatever youwant to ask.
Ask whatever you want to ask.
Ask whatever you want to ask.
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's the fact what he said, because that book was
CMBA was an astrologer and whenI read, like the science in that
book, he spoke about worldlyevents that took place from the
birth of Hitler, when he came tothe time of Ares, and how the
stock market was affected bycertain dates.
That's right, brother Mussoliniand such.
So, yeah, it's important toknow your natal.
It's more, like you know,astrology, metaphysics involved.

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The time you were born plays apart, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Right, numerology Right.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Numerology which angel worked with you a certain
time and it's a lot to it.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
You know, pablo Joliot was the Capricorn.
He was the Capricorn, he dealtwith government, but the catcher
was a Leo.
Obama was a Leo.
Come on, now we can go down theline Nancy Reagan, the wife of
Ronald Reagan.
She was his astrologist.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.

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So astrology is a applied artand science.
You know what I mean, but yougotta really study it and master
it.
Not only does it treat of humanbehavior, but it describes your
character and how it deal withpeople.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Zootochias that's a fact right now I want to go into
the next question.
Uh, what is the significance?
I don't think that's a goodquestion, but let's go to the
next one.
All right metaphysical questionhow does the clock of law view

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time, law and space?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
How does the clock view time, law and space?
Yeah Well, I've got to say theKushites are the ones that laid
down the signs of astrology.
The Kushites are interchemic,and so when you use astrology in
line with the divine law, itcan only be in harmony.
You, as a human being, is theonly person not in harmony with
divine law.
It can only be in harmony.
You, as a human being is theonly person not in harmony with
the divine law.
The micro and macro is one andthe same.

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It's the God within the Godthat you are Right.
So time only exists in one'smind.
See, you was created in theimage, like there's a God, but
you limit yourself by zoninginto time.
See, god is the maker of timeand the ending of time.

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You see what I'm saying?
Right, that's who you are, butyour nature is God.
You transcend time.
Time is only illusion, man-made, when Ben Bates, also known as
Benjamin Banneker, establishedthe first wooden time clock
transcend time.
Time is only an illusion,man-made.
When Ben Bates, also known asBenjamin Banneker, established
the first wooden time clock, itwas for the Europeans.
It's not for us, because theyown time.

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We're infinite.
You know what I'm saying?
They're in the time zone, we'renot.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
And the Almanac, I believe yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
We put on their ideology, their culture, their
God and we begin to emulate them.
But we have to go back to thesource of which we came.
So we transcend time.
There's no time.
How you say this in the circleof the Quran.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Time never was before , man was not.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Right Time.
Never was before, man was not.
And, what's important thing,the finite cannot comprehend the
infinite.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
So human people, human form, are very finite and
they deal with human concepts,human practices.
That's what they are.
So I came up with one of thegods.
We deal with God, energy, godpower, god infinite To go,
divine names Right so the clockgods.
We deal with God, energy, godpower, god infinite.
And when it comes to divinenames, right so the clock
destiny brother.
It's in harmony with theuniverse Because it is the

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universe.
A lot of forefathers who hadgreat minds right, superseded
all things finite.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's power right there.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, that kind of helped me, that helped me out a
lot right there yeah, I'mtelling you, you gotta get that
book run.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Like I think you do have the clock at this, yeah,
yeah, I have the clock books,yeah yeah, man gotta read it
again.
I'm gonna read it.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I'm gonna read it if you're going to books.
It's crazy because, open up,it's new, something new.
I had it since 1983.
And it's still something new tome.
I got to renew it.
But one thing I got to keep inmind you know, see, knowledge is
good to have.
Wisdom makes it different,because wisdom is the
application of the knowledge.
If you don't apply theknowledge, you become dormant

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and it pass away.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Right, I got you, I got you.
So can you explain the 12 signs?
I got you, I got you, so, um,can you explain the 12 signs of
the Zodiac in relation to theMoorish nationality and law?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's now chain law.
See the laws of my house, myhouse, personality.
That's now the first house.
That's now the chain of law.
You know, see, it's not likeit's a vine law.
You know it's not man-made law.

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You know nationality.
Let me tell you something, I'llbe real about it.
Man God today, man God tomorrow, and you're only in the God
that you see, it may unfold asGod unfolds.
So the day you call yourselfmore Americans, tomorrow

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something else, but though thathas been here since the time of
the forefathers.
You know, this is alltransitional.
The highest, let me tell yousomething, the highest person,
is you, god.
I'm being real, I'm notreligious.

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That now is a process.
You see what I'm saying.
See what it says A man unfolds,his God unfolds.
Do you want to be Just a man orGod, or just a most American,
or a most American With science?
Do you want to be Just a Muslimor God?

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I'd rather be God, right, right,see.
So, even though your nature isthis, see, the prophet said that
when you harm the thought Of aman, you harm the thought of
Allah.
Look into the face of a man,you look into the face of Allah.
So People are studying allkinds of stuff when they're not
mastering themselves.

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Who will truly relate to yourreality of being God?
Yep, right.
So the Zodiac, where they'renot massing themselves, who will
truly relate to your reality ofbeing God?
Yep, right.
So the Zodiac is all that.
Brother.
Personality, you know.
Economics, career, because youknow second house is abundance,
finance.
You know 10th house is career.

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The psychic.
12th house, lord of life house,the underworld, the highest
science.
The 8th house, right, I can goahead through it.
Balance.
7th house, the analytical mind.
6th house, family.
The 5th house.
11th house, friends andfriendships.
Right.
7th house, family.
The fifth house.
Eleventh house, friends andfriendships.

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Right.
Seventh house, marriage.
I can go ahead and do it.
Right, that was the science.
As a clock-intensive member, youlook into the zodiac.
You say I have an issue.
What planet is transitioningthis particular house in my
chart?
I have an issue, I want toadvance an issue.
I better understand myself,right?

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So I got to study all my houses, 12.
It's called in the Biblemansions, right, you know.
And you got to know how theplanets are involved.
So you might know about the sunand moon have effect on powers
on that planet right, you mightknow about the sun and moon have
effect on our planet Right, youmight know about that.
But how about Mercury, venus,earth, mars, jupiter, saturn,

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uranus, neptune, pluto andNeptune?
How about other planets?

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, that's a fact.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Real quick Cosmology, thank you for the $5.
Or creator of BoundlessUniverse, Thank you for the $5.
The question is, what did theprophet mean by do all old
business in the old name and doall new business in the new name
?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I love that question.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
See, we say in great still law you cannot be free and
bound at the same time.
You can't even yes and no atthe same time.
Right, finish all business inyour old name.
As you finish that, they comeand reclaim nationality on your

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new name.
What has happened?
You have those that came herewith ill intentions.
I got a credit issue.
I want to not pay this studentloan.
I don't want to pay thismortgage, I don't want to have a
license, no more, because Ihave adopted ideology from the

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European powers of colonialsettlers.
They come over here with the oldstuff, the old baggage, and
they come here All your oldbusiness in your old name.
They come here because this isa new journey for you.
And what the prophet said comeand serve on your own body and

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fig tree.
You're under the ego.
Now you want to come under thepyramid, the great seal, the
great seal law.
Right, you cannot be yes and noat the same time, and a lot of
people they're yes and no at thesame time.
So, great question.
I love it.
You know what I'm saying,because a lot of people have to

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know when you come to theabortion movement, don't come
with baggage.
Right, be the bag leader or bagman and put it aside.
You want to start fresh.
You want to start fresh.
This is an Islamic movement aswell.
It has culture, it hasrefinement, it has civilization

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I'm just rambling right.
It has knowledge and wisdom andunderstanding.
It has culture and refinement.
You cannot be a savage overhere in the soup of the
happiness you were dealing withover there right, that was a
great answer.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Great answer, man.
Wow, because I've heard.
I've heard other things whenpeople ask that question.
That was great.
What does man is mine mean inthe Clock of Destiny doctrine?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Man is mine.
I'm trying to think how to callthat statement.
I probably saw it verysimplistic man is mine.
You know, wow, because nowyou're saying what is the mind.
You know wow, because nowyou're saying what is the mind
Right?
Because if man is mind, you'resaying man is the mind.

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So that means he's able toactivate all five stages of the
mind Right At some point in hislife.
So if man is mind, it means theconscious level, the mind right
At some point in his life.
So if man is mind, it means theconscious level, the
subconscious, the superconsciousand the magnetic and the
infinite, those five things ofthe mind man must develop to

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manifest the ability to achievethose goals.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
That's peaceful.
So I have a question.
It'll be a little controversialDo you believe Black Americans
are indigenous to this land?
Why, or why not?
Well, first of all you look,black Americans are indigenous
to this land.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Why or why not?
Well, first of all, you look atthe word indigenous it means
poor.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Right, look at that, right, right, black Americans,
some, let's hear after the fact,some was here before the
colonial sellers came here, youknow, right.
So one had to trace theirgenealogy and find out their

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line here in America.
But I do know, because I gotthe book.
England was once calledVirginia, for example.
The fact of the matter, right,you know.
So they said, well, the shipcame from England and went to
another state, right, but therewas different names for those

(32:41):
states, like New Mexico, right.
The point I'm making is thatsome people were brought here
way after the fact, but alsopeople here already.
Yeah, right, so it may becontroversial, but I deal with
the facts.
I don't want to generalize.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
No, I respect that.
I respect that.
This is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I have quite a few questions, but I'm going to ask
some questions, like with a mindtraveling.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
You can ask definitely yeah, that's where we
at right now.
What's your perspective onMoore's engaging with the US
legal system, traffic stops andcourt appearances, etc what is
my perspective?
Yeah, you know look CNB andcourt appearances, etc.
What?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
is my perspective, yeah, you know.
Look, cma said that we musthave respect for the federal,
state and county laws of theland.
I'm going to say it again wegot to have respect for the
federal, state and county lawsof the land.
Right, if cops stop you, youshow them your license from the

(33:51):
state.
You know your passport, youknow that's what you do.
Right, you should have that youknow.
If you go to court, you know.
And what you're doing in court?
Um, as a reasoning which isunlawful, then find a righteous

(34:18):
way to combat it.
Get a lawyer because you don'tknow law.
No, now let me.
Let me, let me say say a littlebetter, right?
The prophet said if you had I'mgoing to say European, if you
had a European education, Icould use you More.
Should be lawyers, judges,doctors, prosecutors, nurses,

(34:42):
engineers, pharmacists, etcetera.
That's a fact, right?
So the better navigation of thesystem.
You've got to learn the systemand apply yourself within the
system, then you'll understandpart and parcel.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
That's peace right there.
All right, that makes sense,man, to have an understanding,
you know.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
It makes perfect sense, because you can't beat
the car dealer, be angry at himfor cheating you if you don't
own a game.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Absolutely yeah.
Yeah, See what I'm saying there, right.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
The car game.
The car is shocked, right.
But also I want to say thishere because it's real Not all
the time police officers arecorrect, not all the time are
judges correct.
Are lawyers correct?
Moors need to learn how to filecourt actions, as probably go to

(35:42):
law school, even if you're notMoors Americans, I don't care
who you are, what you're tied to.
Learn the law.
Learn how to file writs incourt, because if a cop charges
you, you should be able to dealwith that from beginning to end.

(36:03):
Right, you should be able tocharge the police officer,
charge the judge, charge theemployer on your job, you know,
and so forth.
Right, you know, I mean, I knowhow to do this here.
Some of y'all know this already, right, you know.
Learn these things, right,because sometimes all you really

(36:25):
have is yourself and you andyou meaning it should be two
people learning.
Don't leave that sovereignty,patriot, posse stuff alone.
You're taking abstracts fromdifferent documents, you're
putting together a bunch of messand you're filing it and you
find out it's incorrect getjammed up in the system.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Bad right, go to school pay for your.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Find out it's incorrect, get jammed up in the
system.
Bad Right Go to school.
Pay for your studies, go to lawschool.
It is fine.
We can use you for the good,for the positive.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I respect that.
What's the clock of Destiny'sposition on reparations in the
political system?
We don't have that as anargument.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
position on reparations in the political
system.
You know we don't have that asan argument.
You know what I mean, you know.
Look, let's be real, and Ithought about it earlier today
America is the greatest countryin the world.

(37:29):
It's truly a land ofopportunity, but you have to
know how to take advantage ofopportunities before you know
America based on credentials,education who you know, you know
right.

(37:50):
You know reparations is fine Ifyou can claim that history you
know, right you, if you canclaim that history you know
right, you got to prove it.
The clock.
We haven't been our issue,right, Because we promote
self-development,self-governorship, economic

(38:12):
sovereignty.
Get a house, provide for yourfamily, do economics, get
educated, establish a familylegacy.
You got people who don't haveacres of land as far as they own
a home and a vacation home.

(38:32):
You got a nice retirement plan.
You got two businesses thatthey run, the kids run the
businesses.
They travel many times a year,right?
So you know we are battlingthis system so much that we in
our mind think it is our enemy.
You know there are people inthis government that are not in

(38:54):
our favor, but whether it'sblack, brown, red, yellow, white
, caucasian red or whatever, orpink right, everyone is not in
the same pool for the samereason.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Exactly.
Hold on a second real quick.
We got a super chat fromCreative Balance Universe.
He said as beige should westand on, that represents its
literal sense Offending thegovernment of the province.
What?

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I love what you're saying as a Bay, because I'm a
Bay, as a Bay and an ill.
You're standing alone Becausethe Moorish community I'm going
to say community, not acommunity per se you know we are
very individualized.
I got a team of few individualsthat we can move together in

(39:46):
unity right, but standing on thebay alone is not good enough.
You know you need collaboration.
You need another thing, youneed economics.
You know.
Most importantly, Right, right,right.
Yeah, I agree we are part andparcel.
Well, I didn't quote 120lessons, man, you don't improve

(40:08):
many factors there.
Well, all the land that I own,you know they still own great
percentage of it, you know, youknow.
So I'm just saying we are partand partial, and I will say this
here, not to deviate but thefederal government was never
against us.
I mean the current one.

(40:29):
Issues going on right.
The police officers in the landwere never against us.
We never knew how to deal withthem.
You know what I'm saying.
That's part with them.
That's part and parcel.
You're always going to haveenemies before us.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Some people are asking good questions tonight.
They say what's seeing things?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I love it.
Look, look, look, you knowyou're right.
Priest and was a member of theBrother Christian Fellowship for
Christian men and women.
Absolutely brother.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Brother who was a Catholic priest, taught him well
, absolutely, I totally agree.
So you'll see a lot of theCatholic teachings and Sanford
teachings and how he dealt withit.
Yes, he was a member of MaxHyandale.
I was in Marcus Bay House inCleveland, ohio.
Me and brother was there.
Uh, yes, he was a member of maxhindale.
I was in marcus bay house, umin um cleveland, ohio.
Me and brother.
Brother was there, he said.

(41:25):
He said mike heiner was a moreyou know, you gotta understand
concept, right, you knowabsolutely.
But yes, he was.
He was a member um of ofcatholic church and he was also
a member of as well.
True and dear brother.
Absolutely, you know.
Cme said in his writings thosewho are listening, he said

(41:47):
Moore's got it.
His writings it's privatebecause they were there when I
got them and Messiah Bay copiedthem and gave them to some
brothers.
He said do not mess with theRussian troops because it
bothers your mind.
The Roticrucian studies is very, very powerful, not for anybody
.
You got to have a verydeveloped mind for sure.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yes, true, we'll build more after the show.
I have been touching a fewbooks on that.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Very powerful.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
A lot of transformation of self.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And I will say, when I went to the college near
Rochelle, I finished four years.
When I was there, I used to goto the Catholic Library because
there's a Catholic university.
I used to go to, like Morisco'sthe Book of the Moors, but the
same day, you know.
So, yeah, you see, once youhave the foundation, you got to
build it after.
Go ahead, brother.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, that's powerful right there.
So what books or materialsshould someone read to begin
understanding this path?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Wow, brother.
You know I don't know as aquestion, but let me tell you
something.
I always say it Clock isactually a value in one and two.
It's a foundation.
That's right Research, research, research.
I always tell the morals of theclock, try to disprove it.

(43:16):
If you cannot disprove it, noone else can Get all of this.
Circle of Life book, astrology.
These are all by CMB.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Circle of Life book.
All right.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
He said this constitution is the foundation
of my two books, volume one andvolume two.
Right, this is the foundationfor your travels, your map.
He said Europeans are guided bythe Moorish Empire history.
When I read that I went out andbought the three volumes of the

(43:55):
Moorish Empire.
He mentioned that book 1928, goand Get it.
What he 1928, go and get it.
Well, he mentions go and study.
The brother mentioned earlierabout muslimi hitler.
Yeah, those five sons ofdestiny we have on the astrology
and their parents, and no wifesee me said what he said you'll
be guided by the 12th times ofthe zodiac and book one and book

(44:18):
two.
You do that.
Don't be involved with theother people out here not
following the path.
You follow the path.
Now I got to say with that,because with that brother or
sister who asked that question,I got to say the Moist Quran is
a very powerful, powerful book.
It's important that peoplestudy the Moj Karam.

(44:43):
It's made up of three books.
You got to study those threebooks in that one book.
And I say it because a lot ofMojs don't have civilization,
righteousness.
They deal with the lower selfand not the higher self.
If I wasn't a god and I wantedto be a Muslim, I'd probably

(45:10):
study the Prophet Muhammad andthe Quran and I'd visit any
mosque because I don't want tofollow any ideology.
Now, if I want to follow anyideology Now, if I wanted to be
Muslim, on that side I wouldjust follow the most Quran and
the Prophet's teachings andthat's it.
I won't get in a lot with theMSTFA and those political and

(45:35):
social concerns that they'rebuilding.
Right, because when human mindsget certain things, things
happen.
I'll follow the Prophet andQuran, but because I am better,
that of God, right, the originalman that is.
I will say clock one, clock two, circle light.

(45:58):
Just read the Constitution ofthe World of the Act, because
without a bayonet you can't evenuse it.
And I'll say the most Quran,for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
That's peace right there.
You on fire.
Nakeem, salute my brother,because I've been watching your
information for years and I wenton the Clock of Destiny website
before I started travelingmyself.
Yeah, and you know, I went onthe Clock of Destiny website
before I started travelingmyself.
Yeah, and you know, althoughI'm in my studies of traveling,
I always go back and peek at theCircle 7.

(46:28):
Someone always tell me, oh, goback and peek.
I'm like, oh, I'm like, wow,this is making sense, this is
next to that, and so go, so onand so forth.
I can't, you know, I can't saymuch, but yeah, it's very
powerful.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Go ahead I got something for you, klob you
continue, I am consideringshutting down the Clark College.
Get out of here man, I talkedabout Tim Mimmers the other day,
but now, anyway, I amconsidering that Not yet, don't

(47:01):
do it yet.
Go ahead brother.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
We got a super chat here again from creator of the
Boundless Universe.
I appreciate the super chat.
My brother or sister they say.
Can you expound on what theprophet meant when he said I
throw away your Bibles because Iam going to use it to correct
the government Paraphrase.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
You know, I remember saying that a while ago, hearing
that you know I will say thishere, right?
Well, right, he's going to useit to condemn the government.
Right, if you want to get to me, you got to be able to quote
120 lessons, not MSTV or clock.

(47:50):
My foundation is 120 lessons.
If you want to get to theChristians, you got to get to
them through the Bible, theMuslims, the Quran, the Mosque
Quran.
Pharaoh mentioned many timesabout this government.
It's fine wanting, as he said,it's fine wanting.

(48:14):
And the cities of Philadelphia.
You know this government isrecorded In the Bible, foreseen,
already written In advance.
Right, so my understandingwould be you know, to the

(48:34):
Denver's government, you gottacome at them with the Bible.
Right, I don't mean religion.
You got to show them theirhistory.
See, trump is Pharaoh, and wedealt with the science of the
laws, right?
Trump is Pharaoh.
You cannot hate a man that wasmade to do what he's doing.

(48:55):
It's already recorded in thestars.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Ordain baby, that's the word I used last show Ordain
.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
It's already recorded in the stars Ordain baby that's
the word I used last show,ordain.
His last name is Trump.
He caught all other people thatwasn't followers.
Yaku had followers Isn't thatright?
And they followed his laws,regardless to what he told them
to do.
They did it.
If not, they paid with theirlives.
Every law they broke, thepenalty was death.

(49:25):
Well, he did.
All his followers Trumpfollowers, all the Trump
followers followed him.
And then what happened?
If you disobey Trump, what hedid?
Cut the wall Exile Trump.
Now he want to, in jail.
You Don't hate a man who wasmade to do what he's doing.

(49:51):
If he wasn't going to be inoffice, it would never happen.
It's mathematics, it's law,it's in the Bible.
He's a white horse.
It's mathematics, it's law,it's in the Bible, it's in the
white horse, oh, oh.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
You're going too deep .

Speaker 2 (50:06):
That's right, the red horse.
The red horse, a horse.
You gotta know who he is, youknow what I'm saying.
And the one by his 14billionaire who he is.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I'm saying, and all about his 14 billionaire
connections, what you mad, whyyou mad at that.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
He's using what's within his realm, you know, in
his orbit, that's what he'susing.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Right, right, right, right, so.
So so you're right, brother,marvis bay marvin, I have 300
something sayings.
Marvis bay, and we was on thephone many times.
He was, he was a student of cmbay and he was a member of the
adept chamber.
And also cm bay, great man forsure.
He passed.
Yeah, he passed about a fewyears ago, actually A few years

(51:00):
ago, so to speak, but yeah, soI'm just talking about the Bible
and government.
People are looking at Trump andthey don't like what he's doing
and it makes it feel very funny.
I didn't vote for him, right,it's what it is, right, but he

(51:21):
had to stand up and do what hehad to do.
So don't hate, don't love, butunderstand the nature that one's
made of.
And look at the followers thatare following him and look at
the blind, deaf and dumb who wastreading along that path, and
all of them had been hoodwinkedand booed.
Right, right, they studied us,but we didn't study them, but

(51:48):
the God studied them and.
Muhammad studied them.
See what I'm saying.
We don't hate what's going on.
It's not comfortable, it's true, yeah, but the Bible tells the
story.
Go ahead, brother.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Beautiful man.
How has being a member of theClock of Destiny personally
changed your life?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
The Clock of Destiny has definitely opened my eyes in
terms of the Moore's history,you know, and it gave me more of
an industrial perspective oflife, to be more economically
inclined, right, it gave me agreatness to the law.

(52:34):
When I was in college I had lawclasses, law.
When I was in college I had lawclasses but the clock kind of
like drove me to study likeenglish law and other areas of
law and I can defend my family,I can, I can help people out.
You know I'm saying legally, Ican deal with legal matters, you
know right.
So you know it put me on thepath.

(52:54):
You know the clock definitelyin the Made you very studious.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, on the more science, godbe honest, like I'm a God, it
wasn't for the 120 lessons.
Yeah, because we was taught tostudy individually.
We studied every day.
So then, wednesday, I made sureI dealt with communication.

(53:16):
That's more science.
Tomorrow, thursday, it'sbusiness.
I know I deal with business.
You know right, I might studysex, magic, right, or Venus,
beauty and love.
Saturday, retirement education.
So the father sent nation ofGod's earth, has taught me how
to sign things out in a finemist and bring it up, bring it
down at my home, a fine mist andbring it up, bring it down At

(53:40):
my will.
So it has definitely given me afoundation in the Huntsman
Lessons.
More science only added science.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
That's peace right there, man.
I respect that.
I can tell man you haveknowledge of self and a lot of
high science knowledge as well.
We have another super chat,again from countless boundless
universe.
Appreciate the super chats.
And the question is Malcolmsaid to respect a man who was
honest about his intentionsRather than put his arm around

(54:07):
you and call you brother.
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Sure did, we'll be involved.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
That's a fact brother , that's a fact brother.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
We gotta have you come back on here in the king
bay, man, because you're so fulllike, you're so resourceful
with information, man, thatthat's needed out here, because
you know a lot of people.
You know, as you said, we couldhave this knowledge but not
applying it.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
It's just, it's a waste of time indeed, indeed, I
mean, look, when our people isin a very bad situation and you
got many schools of thoughtsclaiming to be the one you know,
I mean I, I would say, you knowme and my son had.
My son and I had a good talkthe other day and it's about our

(54:59):
people.
I said, son, whether it'sRobert Smith family or Nathan
Rothschild family, you knowright, I'm going to go.
Yahoo, I'm going to go.
Jewish, I'm going to go.
Robert Smith, my brother, youknow, don't try to save the
world through organizations.
I learned this here.

(55:19):
You know, work with who you can, but your family.
Establish the Ron Brown family,the Mickey family, right, you,
your wife, your children, andbuild finance, help finance

(55:40):
politicians right, that's good.
Put money into businesses ofyour own people.
Do they have done for thembecause it came from us anyway?
Right, right, you want tochange the world.
Face, face.

(56:03):
You want to change the world.
Start with your family first.
That's what I learned back inthe days.
Your lodge is your family.
That's how the God talked toyou.
Your lodge is your family, yourlegacy is your family.
Yes, your family, man, womanand child.
Build economic security withyour family.
Build a legacy with your family.
That's your family, man, womanand child.
Build economic security withyour family.

(56:23):
Build a legacy with your family.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the teachings of thesegreat men Family first, before a
big organization you're tryingto organize is constantly being
divided.
Take all that knowledge and thebest part for yourself and
bring it to your family, yourwife, your sister, your husband
and your children.
Give them the knowledge theyneed of self and education and

(56:47):
give them the time of economics.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And finance the good.
You see what I'm saying, right,finance the good Because the
clock is a family Six femalesigns and six male signs.
It's the good Because the clockis a family Six female signs,
the six male signs is a familyand if it's us, we're on six
degrees.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
You know and the fifth house is my house on 50
degrees is for family.
Every house of Zodiac is family.
Be about your career with yourfamily.
Be about your family.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Five I got you.
So is this brother opposed totaking our fight into the ICJ?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
No, I'm not opposed, but if you know, I'm a student
of international law and I'mcertified in the area and before
you go there you got to firstdo things on the local level
first.
A student of international lawand I'm certified in the area
Before you go there you got tofirst do things on the local
level first.
I currently have a case in DR ahuman rights consultant

(57:50):
regarding an excrimination casewith somebody from Miami going
to Haiti through DR last year,august the 6th.
And he contacted me and medealing with international right
organs, I had to first makesure that all things were taken

(58:10):
care of there first.
So point of making ICJ is good.
Well, you went at some point,showed them how you exercise
your remedies here first and howthese laws are not favorable,
and then go through the process.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
So no, this is the last question before we get up
out of here.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Muhammad, muhammad, muhammad, muhammad, muhammad,
muhammad, alright, muhammad,life 120 Degrees.
Thank you, brother.
The Lord found the signs,everything in life.

(58:53):
He said life 120 degrees In thearticles entitled the Black
Woman.
Alright, I have life 120Degrees, and it says that there
is no more life to be given out.
It is incumbent upon each andevery individual to search and

(59:13):
find what he or she doesn't have, for the time isn't far off,
right?
So time, truthfully, ofteaching is over.
Now, the 120 degrees itself,because if you said life 120
degrees, right, that's a lessonabout four or five pages, right,
who are the five of sense?
How do you look?

(59:33):
Where are they?
Something like you and me,someone dressed bad, some high
society types, some of thedevils, penile institution,
right?
So I had that lesson, I wentover that lesson, actually the
last week, right?
But I had to remember that mydoubt is the babies, babies.
The babies, right?
Right, it's cut off now, but hetaught us 120 lessons, right?

(01:00:00):
Well, to be exact, to be exact,but imagine alphabets.
He didn't teach us that.
He gave us 1 to 10, 1 to 36, 1to 14, 1 to 40, solar facts.

(01:00:20):
That's what he gave us.
If you add mathematics to it,give us the eight points.
Right, definitely we'll get 120degrees from that as a science
Count all the eight points, allright, and then 5.72 with 360.
We deal with the angles of thepoints.

(01:00:40):
So the point I'm making is thoselessons he gave us was
definitely the foundation to allthings in existence, but you
got to still draw it up, mentionit and know where it applies in
this day and time.
Right, if you go to the 18thdegree, you're talking about

(01:01:07):
your duty as one who iscivilized, to teach the world.
Next degree, you're talkingabout what the job has done.
You told them that's it.
You stop there.
Right, go to the fifth degree.
You're talking about Jerusalem.
You know that was the past man,many years ago.

(01:01:28):
You know, go to the seventhdegree about division and
conquer.
We have that among ourselvesright now.
Right, go to the eighth degree,the main thing, and then it's
called by the son of man.
In fact, all of the above iscalled by the son of man.
So the point I'm making rightnow I'm scanning through the
degrees.
Just, you know, to make thedouble, you must first begin

(01:01:51):
back from the original.
So what that means if I cantake qualities from you, I can
convert you and change you, makeyou other than yourself.
So you've got to be able todraw your lessons up, because
some of the lessons definitelyare still in the past, but
you've got to bring them tocurrent as much as possible.
They've got to be a livingscience and not just a quoting

(01:02:14):
science.
I remember when Big Daddy Kingcame to the parliament on the
50th anniversary at the ApolloTheater he was leaning.
He said don't be on the cornertalking about $196,000, $40,000
for the water.
What he was making is that makethose lessons become live.

(01:02:34):
Make them become real Live itManifest those I definitely
agree.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
The science, making them become real, living,
manifest them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So definitely, brother, Idefinitely agree.
Right, you know science,everything in life.
Remember that quote there.
Right, it says what is the dutyof a civilized person?
Answer to teach he who issavage, civilization,
righteousness and what else?
The science of everything inlife.

(01:03:00):
So if you want to teach it, yougot to first what have it, you
got to go out there and get itRight.
So now, once you get it, what'snext?
It's one thing I wish I wouldhave came up with in this
knowledge, but it's what it is.
You know Young Fathers andFather Simmons, we was on the

(01:03:20):
corner talking about the rain,the earth, the snow, the water
the geography, the amateurs.
We broke it down.
We should have been professorsin schools now as scientists,
that's the plan.
History architecture, lawyersjudges Our lesson.
My brother was that key thesame thing.
The prophet said history,architecture, lawyers judges all

(01:03:41):
lessons.
My brother was that key.
Same thing with the prophecy.
If you had the education I'mmisquoting that right.
If you had that education,european education, right, cool
now.
I can use you yeah right, so soso part of Megan is my brother
is that I go through the lessonsin my mind even though I'm

(01:04:03):
almost 60 as of next month, andI was 15 years old and I'm still
cold in my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Keep the mind sharp.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Right.
So the end result is thescience got to be taught, but
stop your families.
I'm going to repeat this here.
It's good to be part of yourorganizations.
I call them phases.
Be more involved with yourfamily and bring the science

(01:04:34):
there.
It will help your people buildcapital, like the Robert Smith
family, or the Nathan family orDuPont family or Chase family.
Let it be your family.
Bolas, al, myself, bella Let itbe your family.
Will you finance opportunityfor our people?
You know what I'm saying, right?

(01:04:55):
Alright, peace.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Peace, lakeem.
I appreciate you for coming outtonight.
My brother, peace to the chat.
We appreciate the super chats,the questions.
You know viewers and listenersgo back, play this over again.
A lot of gems were dropped.
Study, build with yourcivilization, which is your
family, and you know we love youfor that.

(01:05:17):
Peace and we out NYP Later,brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Peace.
Peace, family and you know welove you for that peace and we
out nyp later, brothers, peace,peace, peace.

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