Diddy Allegations, Celebrity Influence, and Debating the N-Word Kai Cenat

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peace world.
How you doing.
How you doing this is your boy,mikey Fever, live in effect.
Welcome to NYP Podcast.
The rest of the brothers areabout to come.
Welcome to the show.
Nyp Talk Show.

(00:21):
Baby Opposition waiting for ourillustrious panel to come on.
Hope you had a great day today.
My name is Austin, the host.
Mikey Fever, brother Ron, youjoining Clip Shawnee, who last
traveled on their way, dick BruhYo, we are here, man, we are

(00:50):
live man.
What a day today.
Talk about Diddy, damn Diddy.
All these allegations.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Damn Diddy, damn Diddy.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
What you doing, diddy .

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Damn Diddy what you doing, Diddy, you crazy man.
Hold on, we need you to gettrapped in the middle of this
shit, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Shout out to the panel.
Shout out to our new Pays inthe Building.
Shout out to Jazz, the homieKiller, jazz in the Building.
What's up, mama?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
We need you brothers to act.
Man, let's go, Yo.
What's going on?
What's going on?
What's going on?
Peace.
To everybody in the chat.
Who we got in the chat tonightwe got Arnil Bay.
We got Arnil Bay to everybodyin the chat.
Who we got in the chat tonightwe got Arnel Bay we got Arnel
Bay.
Just the jazz in the building.
Jazz is in the building.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, why be more?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, what's going on ?
More Peoria in the building.
We got Peoria we got Brooklyn.
We got Carmedale in thebuilding.
Where's jazz from Brooklyn?
Yeah, my block, brooklyn, okay,damn.
Yes, come on, man, y'all.
Can't see all that, y'all can'tsee all that.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
See what you got going on, man Ron.
You having one of those parties, man no no, don't do that.
Don't ditty on me, don't ditty.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Hold on a second hold on a second hold on we're on
we're not, ditty, like brothersand we're not slandering the
brother.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
We just we don't.
We don't function in thatcapacity.
Nah, we don't.
We don't do that ditty we don'tdo the ditty.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
yo check this out, man, let's talk about it.
How do we start it off?
What's going on?
Everybody, it's Ron Brown atLMT, the People's Fitness, the
Lord Saba co-host.
Welcome baby Mikey B on theradio and YP Talk Show.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yo what's going on, yo what up.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Shawnee Mikey was good.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I like that background, man, I like that
background you made the sunshine, yeah, background man, I like
that background.
Who made the sunshine?
What's my track on that?
On the album he said no DiddyParty.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I'm grateful for life .

Speaker 5 (03:16):
I just shared it Yo, mikey you really be knowing what
you be knowing.
Jeece, I gotta give you that yoyou be knowing, what you be
knowing yo that album's a toughalbum.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
My favorite track one day is 96 Sabres.
They went off on that one.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Oh yeah, what album Get up man who made the sunshine
.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
What album is that?
Oh, you talking about the goodI'm saying.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
West.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Side Gun.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's talking about West.
Yeah, West Side Gun Boom, boom,boom boom boom boom boom, boom.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
He be dropping that lingo in there, he from the
streets.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah yeah, he from the streets.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
He like dang, add it up, dog.
Let's talk about Diddy man.
Let's talk about Diddy realquick.
First of all, 120 victims.
They say 120 victims.
They say 120 victims.
They say Yikes, yo, what'sgoing on?
Clip Boom, boom, boom boom boomboom, boom, boom.

(04:18):
Clip what up Yo 120.
Hold on one second.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Hey, yo Clip you laying out on the concrete or
two.
What's going on, you?
You playing Apollo.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm on my bum.
Nigga shit right now, rightwhat?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
up Killer Cliff.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yo Tired man.
So hold on, hold on.
Let's talk about it Diddy 120victims.
What y'all think about that?
It diddy 120 victims.
Which I think about that man120 victims?
I don't believe it super yikes.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
There's too much going on, man I don't believe me
.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Neither I don't believe that, or nor the
nine-year-old.
No, I believe so what?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
what do you think?
So the nine-year-old?
What happened with that?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
anyone, anyone know, know what's going on with that
With that Get him a lace drinkand said some things Like if you
want to be the star, I can makeyou a star.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Where is that Without their parents To be getting
laced drinks?
I'm like None of this makessense.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Exactly Nah, we Nah, but we know a lot.
My fucker had to wear bad Ifeel like they're trying to do.
I think this is what happened.
They said prior to the 120victims and the nine-year-old
Puffs allegedly fired his old,the previous lawyer he had, and
got a whole new legal team Right.

(05:40):
We don't know who's on thislegal team.
I'm just hoping it's, like some, the best of the best, because
the lawyer he had looked likeMax B Lawyer.
No disrespect to Max.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
You're going to jail, that's loyal.
Shoot, got a gun on him, boy.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yes, Pause, but the 120, I think they just coming up
with people.
I think it look like a moneything.
It's a civil case 120 peopletrying to get him for his bread.
I don't think that's going towork.
And then the nine-year-old likeCliff said, who the hell is
letting a nine-year-old atDiddy's house?

(06:26):
Mind you, he keeps cameras andsecurity everywhere.
That shit just don't make sense.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yo, before we go more Ah Diddy.
Oh my God, I gotta watch what Isay around that name.
Before we talk more about Diddyhave anyone anybody heard about
Little Reese getting more time?

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Nah, I didn't hear anything about that.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
The last thing I heard about that dude and it's
sad is that when I heard he gotshot in the neck or something
like that yeah, but that was awhile ago, yeah, that was a
minute ago.
I'm going to tell you I don'tkeep up with these young cats.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, I ain't got tapped in on Reese Neva like
that, though I I ain't got totap in on Reese Neville like
that though I don't care.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Play dumb games, win dumb prizes, I don't care.
Like I'm going to just keep itabove.
No disrespect to him, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Like.
But we got to stop glorifyingthese, giving these dumb like
I'm not going to call him dumb,but we got to stop giving dumb
actions light Now hold on FBGButter.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I know FBG Butter, he's in, he's in prison right
now.
Something like that I forgot,but you know, back back to
talking about Diddy.
So back to talking about Diddy.
One hundred and twenty victims,trev.
You say I don't know about thatclip.
You say you don't know aboutthat either.
What's your take on it, shawnee?

Speaker 5 (07:43):
I't know yo because all right yo just you know
devil's advocate on that point.
Right there's a lot of peoplethat'll do a lot of things.
You know what I'm saying to, to, to get ahead and and maybe,
maybe, selling your child mightbe one of them, man I'm just
saying things like that like, ohyeah, no, I'm saying I mean

(08:07):
sacrifices will be made, man andand, and the same such as us
would say nah, like, nah.
But there are people that areout there that are desperate,
bro, that'll do anything like.
So there's always that aspect.
I never want to shy away fromthat aspect, right, but then
it's like.
It's like you said, who'sletting their kids around this?

(08:30):
Like, who's letting that happen?
I have a tough time believingsomebody would let their baby
attend.
So, bring they, bring theirbaby to that.
You know what I'm saying.
But then again, right, we havewhoa well, listen though we do
have, like the drew barrymoresof the world.
Right, that was a thing, no,but that that was a thing though
.
Right, like they're beingintroduced.

(08:51):
We have the robert downeyjuniors of the world, right,
like, like people who areintroduced to drinking and
drugging at an early age, whoare around the the celebrity
lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
But charlie, I want to interrupt you real quick
because you mentioned.
Drew Barrymore, you mentionedRobert Downey Jr.
Now, first, robert Downey Jr hewas born into Hollywood.
His pop was a famous director,so he's been around.
I don't know about the drugsand things like that.
Real quick, y'all need to watch, I think, the last documentary

(09:26):
Robert Downey Jr did regardinghis father, his death.
It's dope.
Second, I just think we dealagain we're still dealing with a
black man who's successful, soyou've got to embarrass him and
taint his whole.
Look before he go to trial.
You know what I'm saying,because Puff been so polished

(09:48):
for so many.
Puff was just talking what acouple months ago, if it wasn't
like last year, about $1,000haircuts and some wild shit like
that and had the world in afrenzy over some, get you cut
for $1,000.
This man has been polished.
He knows the ins and outs.
He, he's not dumb.
He's not dumb, he doesn't.

(10:09):
He knows the industry.
So for him to say to have, uh,minors, I don't even think he's
even into that.
And and it we're, we're in our40s, right, we all looked at a
youngin at one point.
We may not have went after him,but some people are just into

(10:30):
young.
I don't think it's that.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Hold on, hold on Time out.
This is the end.
You can't just say that.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah we got it.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
What do?

Speaker 5 (10:39):
you mean.
I get your point, but you can'tbrush over the fact that them
kids listen.
If them kids was there, thenthem kids is kids that grew up
in Hollywood as well, becausethose is not just
run-of-the-mill kids, thoseain't just kids from the block

(11:03):
or kids from up the street orkids that was trick or treating.
No, those kids are people whoare connected and who are trying
to go further up in whateverrealm that they decided they
want to go further up in.
And so, yeah, and like I said,the Drew Barrymore thing, we
know that's documented.
And the Robert Downey Jr thingis highly documented.
The Joaquin Phoenixoenix uh uh,what's his brother?

(11:28):
What's his brother?
They're just playing the jokercurrently, like.
So we know that.
We know that in that culturebecause we're gonna call it what
it is a lot of people like tothink it's a job, but no, it's
not, it's a culture.
It's a lot of, it's a lot ofthings that happen behind those
doors that only those peopleunderstand and we don't.
That's how they move and itjust so happens that they put it

(11:50):
in front of the TV and people,they give it to you as
entertainment, but it's notreally as people celebrate and
how they live.
That's that's.
It is what it is and they putit in your face and because of
the way it's placed in thesociety, society we are somehow
forced in some manner tocelebrate it.
But looking at, it for what itreally is sexual deviant, right.

(12:11):
When we look at it for what itreally is, is highly skilled
liars, true, right?
These are people who get paidto to play on your emotions.
I'm just calling it what it is.
These are people who get paidto play on your emotions.
I'm just calling it what it is.
These are people who get paidto play on your emotions and
then, when you really thinkabout it, certain movies come
out at certain times to play onyour emotions, to have you think

(12:33):
about certain things, certainsongs, certain types.
I was thinking about it likethis A lot of people like to say
hip-hop and the destruction ofpeople, but then they don't.
They want to say that theyapproach it as if that technique
is new or just caters tohip-hop.

(12:55):
Right, because I would arguethat if we want to talk about
the 70s and how there was like alot of love, a lot of love
music, a lot of making lovemusic there there was a lot of
war going on at that time.
There was a lot of love, a lotof love music, a lot of making
love music there.
There was a lot of war going onat that time.
There was a lot of schoolsbeing shut down and there was a
lot of need for soldiers at thattime.
So why not have black peoplemake love music, to make more
people with?
They're not going to have theproper education to actually

(13:18):
climb in this society, and what?
What would they'll do?
They'll, they'll be.
So when I look at it from thatangle you know what I'm saying
it kind of makes sense to me tosee somebody doing something so
devious to gain such a deviouspower.
The control over the society iswhat we're talking about here,

(13:39):
and if someone can give you aninkling of that and say this is
what I need from you and youalready down, because these is a
lot of people that's down,right, these is people that will
do things that we not built todo for this attention.
And if I could grab you by thatand then I could make you see

(14:01):
that, you know, I can give youjust a glimpse of power, right,
what would you give me now?
Okay, but somebody will give upsomething.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
But you you say like this is let's say the neighbors,
let's just if, if you're onthat block, that puff is living
on any one of those areas.
We're not talking about nobodywho really needs their child to
be seen because most likely thatneighborhood has that status,

(14:32):
and you're not just walking inPuff's backyard just off the
strength because it's a partygoing on and nobody knows what's
going on.
I know they say at theseparties there's a the party, the
after party and then the partyright, you know I'm saying so.
Like I said this nine-year-oldthing, I swear.

(14:55):
I feel like it's just a gimmickto just tarnish his name
because trial hasn't started yetnow but if, if that oh sorry,
no, no, we Puffer.
For how long We've watched hiscareer go from damn near bad to
worse to great to greater.
To this, that nine-year-oldwould have been came out around

(15:15):
the same time he moved when thegirl got shot at the club,
probably.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
No, because you're talking about exposing a
plethora of people at that pointin time.
That's what you're talkingabout exposing when you, when
you bring one person out.
That's why everybody is soscared now, because when you
bring one person out into thelight, it's going to shine.
So at that point in time thepower is a little bit stronger,

(15:42):
see, now.
See, now you can't really hidethings because there's cameras
everywhere.
So you can't hide things likeyou could hide before, before
you could hide things before.
The money was listen, the moneytalk.
He paid for that video, for himbeating cassie up to go away.
That video was here for overlike 10 years or something like
that.
That video was away, for thatvideo was away for a little

(16:03):
while.
But.
But but what I'm trying to sayis the money, the, the influence
, the, the swing.
And like you say you're not ifyou live next to puff, believe
you me, you did some things toget there too.
Like you're not innocent, youdid some things that whoever's
on the left or whoever's on theright, they did some things to
get in them houses, like, let'sbe real, and nine times out of

(16:25):
ten, if you neighbors, you beenthere, you there too.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So people letting people tickle their butt for
fame and fortune?

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yo is this, is this, is this, like that's not news,
like you know what I'm saying.
Yo, yo, no, yo, listen, listen,people do that at mcdonald's.
They get manager positions.
Yo like, come on d for frenchfries like this is wild real
talk, real talk.
People do things to climb.

(16:54):
Jack, like that's just realtalk.
People do things to climb youknow, and I know it sounds
devastating, right, sounds, butI think there is that epstein
allen thing, right, that thingout there like we're not going.
Just that was.
There was that whole cambodiauh, a debacle that was.
That was in the early 2000s,where a bunch of people got

(17:16):
caught going over there likelike, come on now can we ask,
can we say something before?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
can we?
Can we say this, though?
To me, I think it's based onyour morals and principles that
you were raised with.
Let's keep it real, I'd rather.
For me, I'd rather hang around30 killers than anybody that's
out there violating, rapingwomen or children.
I'd rather hang out withkillers.
That's just me.
No, I hear you, because, as Hovsaid, said, you are who you are

(17:46):
before you got here.
If you, if you're gonna put aprice on yourself for money to
lose your conscience, to docertain things against your
principles, you're sick butthat's how they got there in the
first place though.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Money over morals, that's how it's always been.
Money over morals, that's howthey got there.
that's like yo.
You know you, yo.
You know who taught me that.
I used to pardon me because I'mgoing to slide back.
Pardon me.
I used to bowl.
It's knocking off man.
I used to bowl on 161st Street,right, and it was this kid.

(18:21):
So we go back, we like nine, 10years old or whatever.
Whatever you know, he waspretty decent with a bowling
ball.
He could, you know, fastforward.
We men now with bills and rentto pay, I'm getting money on 111
, between 7th and 8th, right,and I'm looking for somebody to
play a corner and look out.
I need someone to look out.
I'm like yo, bro.

(18:42):
I end up bumping into him on125th Street.
I'm like yo.
Now, mind you, when I see him,he asking for change, he asking
for money, he like yo.
You know who got a dollar, whogot a quarter this, that and
third, this, his hustle.
I'm like yo.
Why you don't just come with me, bro?
I put some money in your pocketand you ain't even got to do

(19:03):
nothing, you just got to let meknow, just keep me aware.
He like your thoughts.
Listen.
I'd rather stand out here andbeg and plead.
I'd rather stand out here andbeg and plead before I do
anything like what you do.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
So now that's a man with morals, but we all got
morals.
It's just you know somepeople's morals are different.
Like we don't all know thepeople we hang around to.
You got to understand thatBecause just because you can
hang around, 30 killers some ofthem dudes be on some sucker
shit sometimes, you know a lotof people behind closed doors be

(19:48):
into different things you don'tknow about.
So when they come around, youonly know them for getting.
You know I'm saying for, butI'm just saying like we don't
really know a lot of time topeople you hang on because when
they come back around Yo, youheard that shit about
such-and-such son like, nah, dothat, that's my man.
I know him for doing this, Iknow him for doing this.

(20:09):
He don't look like the typethat be messing with the kids
you know I'm saying yeah, butthat'd be the same.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Go for them dudes too , though.
That same go for the folk uptop who will be behind the most
closed doors, the heavy wood,oak closed doors that might take
you 15 minutes to pull open.
They can hide everything beforeyou get that door open.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Right now I get what you're saying.
I'm just saying, like you know.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
That's a brief.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Some of this.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yo, I just wanted to make mention and then we can
keep going.
We can keep talking about Diddy, about the Diddy situation,
because the Diddy situation, wecan go on so many different
angles, but I do still have uphere Kai's to not in the N-word.
I want to get into that at somepoint.
But yeah, we can keep talkingabout Diddy.
I just want to add my littlepiece on this Diddy thing.

(20:59):
From what I understand, diddycould have possibly gotten
molested himself as a child.
I don't know if you everwatched a video between him and
his mom kissing in the mouth.
You ever see that video?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I never understood that concept.
I never yo.
Let me tell you something.
I grew up in a Haitianhousehold.
Let me go.
Try to kiss my mom in the lips.
See if my head won't fly off myshoulders.
I've been with a bunch ofpeople household.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Let me go try to kiss my mom on the lips, see if my
head won't fly off my shoulders.
I've seen it with a bunch ofpeople.
I mean, I don't see.
Nowadays I feel like theinternet has ruined our minds.
With a lot of this, everythingis a conspiracy or some sort of
everything is tainted.
I've seen mad dudes kissingtheir mother on the lips.
I've seen it my entire lifetime.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
As a kid I did that.
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I'm saying as a grown man.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I'm just saying whatever person got, a
relationship they got with theirparent is between them and
their parents.
We here are constantly.
That's the problem.
We always in everybody's damnbusiness Like dog.
This doesn't really involve us.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
It can go back like that.
I think it's just the way.
I think it's just the structureof us.
I don't think it can go backlike that.
I think it's just the way.
I think it's just the structureof power.
Look at it just for two seconds.
Just how I'm talking about it.
What if the true sort of poweris just cutting everybody off

(22:24):
from doing what they will?
What if that's the true sort ofpower is just cutting everybody
off from doing what they will?
Like?
What if that's like the truesort of power?
Like what if everything thatthey yo?
This is what I do, this yo, Iy'all live by rules.
Y'all live by these rules.
Y'all live by those rules.
Y'all going to die, y'all goingto have y'all one life.
Y'all going to live by rulesset by other people, your whole
life.
What if?
What if?
What if that's what?
Just one of the one of thethings?

(22:45):
Like what if that's one of thethings?
And what if that's what allowsyou to do so much devious stuff?
Right?
because, you, you, you hear,like you hear about, you hear
about certain things and it'slike you hear about certain
things it's like god, I hearthat it might.
It might go as far as, like youknow, you hear about things
just like people with human,like a human plate or something

(23:09):
like that, right, so you knowit's people that's into exotic
things out here.
You gotta have the money.
The more money you have, themore exotic things get, and
that's just real talk.
It's the taste of life, theflavor of things, changes for
you.
Things don't excite you as muchas they used to anymore,
because you can have anythingthat you want.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I take all balls down to.
Everybody has a price to behonest with you.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
I don't believe that, I don't know about that, I
don't believe in that.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
I don't believe in that.
Before you start shooting, getme out.
I'm saying everybody has theirprice when it comes to what
they'll do and not do.
Some people can't turn down the$50 million because it's a
drastic change.
Some people can't turn down amillion because they feel like

(24:00):
it's a life changer.
It's a life changer.
You know, like we, we literallyall have our price.
We all have our morals.
Now I I don't think none of uson this screen is giving up a
body part to no male I saidthat's so politically correct
giving up the office I do know,when money gets involved with

(24:24):
anything, a certain amount.
Once you hit a certain amount,your thinking and your thought
patterns start to differ.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just, it's a numbers thingand we all have our number to
where, like, I can possibly dothat and get away with it
because I got this money that'sgoing to go.

(24:46):
I got the fucking fund.
You know what I'm saying?
Excuse the language, but it'sthe effort fund and people have
that to be like look, I got thismoney for this and I got the
effort fund.
If I get caught doing this,Alright, so now check it.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Check it on the effort fund Years old Pat pad, I
seen you on the effort, on theon the on the effort fund.
Right, I would like to.
I would like to bring up chinaas an exhibit.
The wrestler I I want to bringup china the wrestler as an
example story.
Bro, right, right sad story,because we're talking about

(25:24):
somebody who was living at thepeak, right at the, at the, at
the very top, and then, whenthings crashed down, she went to
, you know, to porn bro likethat's what, that's what so no
my point is.
My point is my point is peopledo think like what you're saying
, but because they use it as theeffort fund, after a while it's

(25:48):
gone, it's effed up after awhile and now you're back to
doing these things.
You're like you're, you're nowyou're chasing whatever is out
desperation right, desperationsays and so that's what I'm,
that's what I'm getting at, likeI'm.
I'm looking at it from thatangle.
I'm looking at it from I'm nota, a, a, a religious person,

(26:11):
right.
But if you look at it from thestandpoint of, let's say, a
satan tells a jesus, you canhave whatever you want, and all
you gotta do is just say youknow, I'm that dude, right,
that's all you gotta say is I'mthat dude, right, you can have
whatever you want out here.
Now, how many people are gonnahave, like you say, the price,
the moral to say, no, how, like?

(26:35):
And as we see?
I'm gonna tell you something,though because you can actually
see the numbers.
The numbers are really right inyour face, right.
Because you can see the actors.
Numbers are really right inyour face, right.
Because you can see the actors,the high actors.
You can see the high musicians,like.
You can see the people that'sin the high places and see the
people that's in the low places,like, you can actually see it.
It's right there, like it's,it's really there.

(26:56):
Like you could really look atthe numbers and see oh, snap,
wow, that's crazy that's athat's a good point.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's time to define wealth, okay.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
What I'm saying is with that particular money, I
think at a certain point I thinkblack people get to a certain
point everybody's not reaching ahundred million.
Let's just say you come acrossa hundred million, something
happens, you get a hundredmillion.
Let's just say you come across$100 million, something happens,
you get $100 million.

(27:27):
The way life expectancy is, youthink $10 million could be your
fucking fund.
And with Puff he made a billion.
He reached a billion.
So it's like he was unlimited,so he was doing the most,
because we probably look at himlike yo, with a billion dollars
I can do this.

(27:48):
My lawyer's gonna say this andthat's what I'm talking about.
You know, that's what I'msaying.
When he thought he had thefucking fun because he had
enough money to really like shutpeople up, people to go missing
and just just while out, itain't just him.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Sounds like a lack of self-control.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
It's not just him, though it ain't just him that's
my point though it's coming downon him, but it's not just him.
It's a lot of people that arescared.
That's what I'm trying to say.
If it wasn't so many peoplescared that it would just land
on him, but it's a lot of peoplescared and it's a lot of people

(28:31):
that attended them parties werenot saying nothing.
They running, they running.
So if it was, if it was right,so now check me out, though.
Right like, say, you was in thehottest of water, you could use
this child endangerment thingto get out of your hot water.
Like nobody's doing that and noone has done it yet.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
At least no one has done that yet Do y'all think the
tapes are actually coming out?
Like a tape is coming out?

Speaker 5 (28:58):
A tape.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, y'all think the tape is coming out.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
I don't know, but I think, I think.
I think, like Ron, I don't know, but I think, I think, like Ron
was trying to touch on, likePat was saying, and like you
alluding to Trev, what's truewealth, what's wealth?
Like because a lot of peoplecan't fuse being rich with, like
a lot of people may confuse,having billions of dollars with

(29:23):
wealth, and that ain't wealth.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I have wealth right now, real quick.
I just want to Financial wealthdollars with wealth, and that
ain't wealth.
I have wealth right now, realquick.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I just want to.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
Financial wealth.
Financial wealth.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
I just want.
I want to interject.
Alright, Ron, A hundred milliondollars.
If I got a hundred milliondollars, I got a billion dollars
.
I'm not going to lie.
A lot of people go and miss itbro.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
You see, what.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I'm saying I don't need a hundred million dollars,
bro, I need a certain level ofdiscipline to have that kind of
money.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
I'm glad you said that you know what that's like.
I'm going to tell you exactlywhat that's like.
Y'all remember the RichardPryor movie.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
What Bruce's millions .

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Right, I'm talking about his life story, joint.
Oh, yeah, right, alright, sothis is a tale Of people having
a limit and knowing their limit.
That's what this little tidbitis about.
So in in the beginning it'srichard and his girl at that
time, and she's you know, she'sdoing what good women do.

(30:34):
Let him know yo, you great atwhat you do, you know the
backbone thing.
Yeah, you could do this, youcould do this.
You need to leave the town andand and and go.
And he like yo, you need tocome with me.
She, she like, yeah, bet, sothey go, they go, they go, they

(30:55):
pack, they go, they get to thebus and she stops, she says I
can't, I can't go, no further, Ican't go.
Basically, what I'm saying isyou have to know you, your like
there is a such thing as apersonal limit.
You know what I'm saying thatyou have to respect.
If you don't respect yourpersonal limit, you will end up
somewhere personally effed up.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
And that's just.
That's just the facts.
You have to know your personallimit Right now.
Check this out Like what Puff.
I think that, like what I wasjust talking about, like the
discipline part, right, so hegrew up in the industry.
So he grew up in the industrywithout the necessary tools like
morals and values and thingslike that.
He grew up in the industry andthat was his main Puff didn't
grow up in no industry.

(31:42):
Hold on, let me get to my point,I'm sorry.
So as far as growing up in theindustry.
Hold on, let me get to my point.
So I'm sorry.
So as far as growing up in theindustry meaning he started off
in the industry really young.
First he started off throwingparties, he was like 18, 19
years old and then from there hegrew, you know, from that point
and he practically grew up inthe industry, in in his 20s and

(32:05):
on up, and the necessary thingsthat he needed, the tools he
needed for him to deal with thatamount of influence and money
he didn't have.
Hence the reason why he wentoff the rails.
Because imagine, if I imagine,if you got that, however much
money he got in his 20s, whatwould you do with that money?

(32:27):
What would you do with amillion dollars at 20, 20?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
He had um Andre Harrell?

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Yeah, he had, he had a lot of people around, so we we
were saying last week out hesoaked up a lot of game from a
lot of people.
So he, he and then, like wewere saying, when it comes to
the, and then when it comes tothat industry, things is not
like how they look.
Like, right, because we know,we know um, we know, we know um

(32:56):
tony tony.
Tony was like a that that waslike a financial scheme, right,
like whoever was running it wasactually shortchanging everybody
else who was involved, like weknow, we know that.
Like we know, we know um, weknow new edition was getting
like super duper ripped.
We know, when they came backoff tour they got um job

(33:17):
applications for mcdonald's.
We know this.
So, so, like the moral, like youwere saying, trev is kind of
applicable to the situation inthe person, right, so the person
may say, well, we may deem alack of moral may be exactly the

(33:38):
area that this person moralitylies in.
So where we may say, nah, youshouldn't do that, is where they
say that's where you have to dothat, right, because that's
that type of industry, bro, like, when you really look at it,
it's a lot of people who end upgoing bro, look at montel jordan
.
Bro, montel jordan ended up, hehad the hottest joint.
The next thing you know he'ssleeping in his car like that's

(33:59):
how to end.
That's how it is.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
It's, it's it goes back to discipline.
It goes back to disciplineknowing yourself, but hold on
discipline knowing yourself, buthold on a second, you got to
know yourself.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
It goes back to knowing what you're getting
yourself into when you went tothis industry in the first place
.
The problem is that most blackmen get into this music industry
very young and no knowledge ofthe game.
It all boils back to knowledge.
They put things in thesecontracts that we have zero
knowledge of.
We don't understand the wording, we don't understand it, we

(34:30):
don't read it.
So I want a third party to readit for us and interpret it for
us and expect for us to get thebest possible contract.
That's not how this works.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Now let me say this, because I hear what you're
saying about more rules and whatthe industry does, but y'all we
also got to remember we watchedthe industry really tarnish.
There was different parts,there was different types of
hip-hop back in the day you weforget that there was tribe
called Quest.
There was Native Tongue, therewas Jungle Brothers, there was

(35:08):
X-Clan, there was theeducational piece of hip-hop.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I'm going to count that though.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Made money as well.
They may not have made themoney Puff made, but they made
hits to the point where they'reable to sustain a lifestyle and
maintain a career over the 50years that hip-hop 51 years that
hip-hop has been around.
We got to look at the persontoo, because the industry didn't

(35:37):
change everybody and everybodydidn't fall victim to the
nonsense.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Because I Go ahead, clep, I just want to say that
Because when you bring up tribeand you bring up the, the, the X
clan and all of that hip hopwas still fairly new to the
masses, so the labels wereaccepting anything at that point
that was going to pop orgenerate money.

(36:02):
Once they figured out what laneand what, what avenues was
going to generate the most money, you see they shifted off that
Tribe Called Quest lane realquick.
Okay, you got it.
They shifted from that and theyfocused on this type of
negative music.
This type of negative type ofmusic is what generates the
dollars.

(36:23):
This is what we're going tomarket.
We're going to go to our South.
This is what we're generatingout here.
We're going to market that.
All of the conscious rap, whatwe like to call conscious
hip-hop that got pushed to thewayside, that had to build its
own ground, root following forthem to generate some sort of
money.
But as far as what the majorlabels and they embedded with

(36:44):
all these other corporations,what they were marketing and
promoting was what wasgenerating the most money.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Because it's a business.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Hold on let me add this right here At the end of
the day, we have to respect that.
It's the music industry.
People forget that we're themusic business.
Yes, these labels want topromote gangster music.
People consume this gangstermusic people.
You know consumers gangstermusic.
But let's keep it real.
When you're selling four tofive million records, it's not
only black people buying yourrecords, because we got, we

(37:14):
gotta look at, look at ourselvestoo.
We bootleg records, movies andeverything.
So it's not only us buyingthese four or five million
records that they're selling.
You got middle of america thatsees that these european kids
like yo.
I like this what they'retalking about.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
So it's all about dollars and numbers well look
before we, before we go into,before we go any further on on
this uh, diddy situation.
Um, I don't know man, thisthing is looking real weird man,
I don't know man.
Before I was like man, he'scrazy and all this stuff.
And then I'm looking, I'm likeI don't know man.
Before I was like man, he'scrazy and all this stuff.
And then I'm looking, I'm likeI don't know, this is starting

(37:49):
to look weird.
So that's why I'm kind of quieton the situation, because I
don't want to speak too soon.
But I don't know, it's lookingweird.
I want to talk about Kai Sinat,because that's in the thing.
I kind of changed it to allDiddy and then Karl Anthony, but
it just didn't do that.
So, being that Kai Sinatra isup there in the N word, I would
just want to go over this.

(38:09):
It looks like on the internet,like somebody like a Kai Sinatra
, this young brother, he's fromthe Bronx, he's like an internet
sensation.
Uh, he's a streamer, uh is hehas a, a, a guy from Taiwan who
you know streams with him.
And then there's like a crew,phantom, and then this other guy

(38:30):
, duke, and it looks and oh,yeah, and then you have Mayton.
It looks like these, this, this, this younger generation.
They're coming up and they'rereally playing around with the
N-word a lot now Like it's likethey're making fun of it, even
Drewski, Now, like it's likethey're making fun of it, even
Drewski.
So they try to push theenvelope with the N-word, I

(38:50):
think in an effort to kind of,you know kumbaya, make this
whole world.
You know we're all together.
White people can say the N-word.
Anyone can say the N-word.
Go ahead, yeah, my white friendover there, go say it Is the
N-word.
Anyone can say the n-word goahead, yeah, my white friend
over there, go say it is then-word.
Uh, less impactful is it orless?

(39:12):
Uh, offensive nowadays?
How do you see the n-word now?
Do you think white people canuse it now?
Do you think asians can use itnow?
Do you think they should playwith the n-word?
Is it not a big deal anymore?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm checking that.
If my godmother's on here, shewould tell you.
I checked the white boy forsaying that, me and my homeboy
cowboy.
We checked the white boy forusing the N-word.
I don't say we gatekeeping it,but it's the way he was using it
.
He was so comfortable and theother dude was like that's my
man.
He's like, yeah, man, but Idon't like the way it came out.
Pause, the way he's utteringthis word out of his mouth so

(39:47):
easy.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Can I say something.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Can I say something?
How would you get people a wordthat we didn't even create?

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Exactly, but that's what I'm saying, so I don't be
like the type that you know.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
White people?
Can white people say the word?
They created the word Like theycreated the whole term.
We just tried to spin it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the it'swhat comes with it.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
It's the weight and the power that comes with it
when he said it that's why theyhad stopped, you know, using it
in the first place?
Yes, they were, but we have alot of words that we could use
for them too no but nah, but nah, nah, nah.
Yes, they were, but we have alot of words that we could use
for them too.

(40:31):
No but nah, but nah, nah, nah.
That's a power dynamic thing,bro because, of where that word
comes from.
It's the cultural understandingor the societal placement when
one uses that word.
That's what it is.
Like we not going gonna escapethat.
Like you know what I'm saying.

(40:52):
Like we're not gonna escapethat, it's, it's so, it's.
It's a touchy situation, yes,but right now, if a white boy
came to you and calls you yowhat up?
Ma you're not gonna, you're notgonna feel comfortable with
that.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
I don't even care, because here's my thing, this is
their word.
We tried to spin it and flip itand remix it to make it our
thing.
No, don't, that's their word.
We tried to make it empoweringto each other.
No, it's not an empowering word.
To begin with it's a degrading.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
So we shouldn't be free to just run around and say
that?
Or are you saying that weshould be free to just run
around and say that?
Or are you saying that we triedto use it in a certain way?
Or are you saying that weshould eliminate the word from
our?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
vocabulary, change it to what the context is, how
they're using it.
No, they've been using the word.
It's their word.
They created it.
We tried to remix it and makeit ours, which was the dumbest
thing in the world that we couldhave done, because all we was
doing is spreading low-vibrationlanguage to ourselves in the
first place.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
I understand where you're coming from with that,
but it is always the context inwhich a word is used and it
doesn't matter what word it is,it's always the context in which
a word is used.
It does not matter what theword is, it's always the context
.
It's always the context inwhich a word is used, it does
not matter what the word is.
So if we know that this personlisten, I'm going to tell you

(42:15):
what category also it goesunderneath.
It goes underneath somebodylike slick talking.
That's what it go underneath.
That category.
It's too much bro.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
If there's respect if there is respect.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
I'm not holding on because I haven't finished my
point yet.
If there's respect between thetwo people, then you should
understand that that is asensitive spot and you shouldn't
even tread over that.
It's not like I'm going to runup on you and call you all type
of crackers and so on and soforth and then we just going to
build the relationship off ofwords that we know is

(42:55):
disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Then why use it to each other?
Why are we using it to eachother If the word is
disrespectful?
I just say.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
I just say it's a very sensitive situation and
then, at the same token, youstill have people who don't use
that word in their vocabulary.
There's a bunch of people whodon't use that word in their
vocabulary.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I know that Real quick, because when you cut Clip
off, his thing is choppybecause he doesn't have a mic.
So go ahead, Clip, say whatyou're saying.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Regardless of the context of how the word is being
used.
The original word was used todescribe Black people, and their
definition of the word wasignorant.
So we all day calling eachother ignorant.
Yo, my ignorant, nigga, yo,ignorant, nigga, nigga, nigga,
nigga, nigga.
We're calling each otherignorant.
We're trying to remix this wordto make it seem like it's a

(43:49):
positive thing for us.
No, it's never going to bepositive.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
No one's talking about the remix.
We're talking about theoriginal word.
We're not talking about theremix.
We're talking about using theN-word.
We shouldn't be using it at all.
We shouldn't be using it at all.
That's the problem.
That's the problem.

(44:13):
If that's the problem, then howis it okay for them to be
running around using the wordthat we shouldn't be using?
And if we've come to some typeof understanding in this society
that you can't use, we nevercame to understanding with them.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
We never came to understanding with them with
that word.
We came to understandingamongst ourselves with that word
.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
The understanding that the society came to with
that word is that you can'tusing that word is bad.
That's what just flat out.
That's what we came to as anunderstanding as a society.
We understand that that word,what we came to as an
understanding as a society.
We understand that that worddoes not fly as free.
I don't know, I can't even geta point out.

(44:55):
You're going to ask me aquestion and then you're going
to cut me off so you can answerfor me.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, it's okay,
hold on Real quick, real quick,hold on, we got to hold on it's
okay, it's okay, hold on, hold,on hold on Real quick, real
quick, real quick, real quick.
Hold on.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
I'm not getting upset , I just tried to get a point.
Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Shawnee, shawnee, hold on a second.
I get Clip's point, clip'spoint, clip.
You turned the mic off.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I think he's there.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I'm chilling.
I'm just on mute for a second.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Okay, okay, clip.
Your point is we shouldn't usethe word at all because we
didn't come to an agreement asto how this thing should be used
, or we don't need to use it atall because it was given to us.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
It was never designed for us to to be using in the
first place.
It was never designed for us tobe using it amongst each other
in the first place okay, nowShawnee, your point exactly my
point is this if you can saythat it has negative, it has
negative terms to it.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Right, and we know exactly where it came from.
Right.
Why would it?
Why?
Why would it be all right foranybody to just say it like that
?
Like that was.
That was my point, right?
I never said anything about yothe remix.
I never said any.
That was your words.
You brought the remix up.
I never said anything aboutnever ignorant I know what I

(46:26):
brought up anything about I Inever, say oh, come on clip
please, man.
Please let me finish my sentence, please, because I have
terrible short-term memories.
Please.
I I never brought up um, neverignorant, getting goals
accomplished.
I never brought that up.
I, I merely was stating we'vecome to a point in our society

(46:47):
where we understand that thatword has a, a, a placement when
it comes from a certain person.
We know that that word has aplace.
We know that that word isstraight disrespect.
We know that.
So when, when you asking, is itall right for other cultures to
say that?
And you say no, it's not, isthat an internal problem?

(47:08):
Is that an in-house problemthat we should deal with?
Perhaps I could deal with that?
So y'all, both, I could know,but that was the, that was the
whole thing.
That's why I was like, just letme finish my point, like I

(47:28):
didn't understand why I got soexcited when I'm like they
shouldn't say that, like we, ithas a societal standpoint.
And that is where we came to anunderstanding at yo, that nah,
you saying that word, you'reputting yourself at risk.
A lot of the laws are freed up,a lot of the you can't do this,
you can't do that, a lot ofthat is it has to do with why
that word died out too.
A lot of people standing up andfighting back yo, you say this,

(47:51):
you get punched in your face.
That's why that word died down.
So to just now say yo, nah,it's all right after all of that
that people fought through.
Just because we say it, I'm notin agreeance that, yo, I'm not
running around.
Yo, my, my, I'm not inagreeance with that.
Yo, I'm not running around.
Yo, I'm not in agreeance withthat, I'm not saying that.
Yo, it's a word that we claim.
That wasn't my point at all.

(48:11):
That wasn't my point.
My point is I see where, if itcomes from one person where it's
trying to place you at, in thissociety, society, and when you
have immigrants coming andcalling you a certain name that
was supposed to place you in acertain place in your society
and your country, you, youshould have a problem with that.

(48:32):
That's my point.
That's my point.
Now, okay, do you?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
feel like that.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I don't know, now, now clip you understand his
point right, okay.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Now, why do you have that look on your face?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
but it's.
I still doesn't, I still don't,I still disagree with what he's
saying.
Right, because I'm explaining.
Let me explain.
Let me explain we are the onlyculture that takes a derogatory
word that was aimed at us anduse it in a way, and use it to

(49:11):
speak to each other in aneveryday language.
We are the only people thatdoes this, and you don't hear
Spanish people call themselvesSpics.
You don't hear Chinese peoplecall themselves Chinks.
You don't hear Jews callingthemselves whatever the
derogatory Jew term is.
You don't hear Italians callingthemselves that shit.

(49:31):
We are the only people thattake a derogatory term to us and
use it to speak to each otheron a daily basis.
What does that have to do withother people who are using it?

Speaker 1 (49:48):
to harm he set up the context.
He set up the context, Yo thatwas a good point that's a good
point right there.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
That's a good point right there.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
You hear that what Kate was just saying.
All right.
We're going to leave it likethat we got to stop using that
Cause you got this look on yourface.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I want to know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
The narrative now would say oh, because you're a
different ethnicity than me.
You can't use this word in thiscontext because, yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, just like yes.
Yes, because that, yes, youcan't do that, and I just
explained why you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I just explained why you can't do that he's not
letting me finish my statement.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Guys, let's move along brothers.
No, no, no, no, don't movealong, Let him finish, let him
finish, let him finish.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
That's what I'm saying, the fact of the matter
is you cannot regulate some shitif you're doing the same exact
thing.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
That's hypocrisy.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
It's hypocrisy, it don't matter.
If it's hypocrisy, yo bro,you're not.
I don't see how my point.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I'm sorry, yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Cliff, because I'm just excited and I keep cutting
you off.
I apologize.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
I think let me say this is the only time you really
get some type of agree todisagree unity.
This word brings that out of usOnly time.
Now let me say this because Iwas watching KRS-One and he
spoke about the word nigga.
Now nigga has been remixedtwice Because nigga was a

(51:34):
positive thing when it came todescribing black people, when
you looked at who was aroundduring the era prior to slavery
and all that.
This is KRS-One explaining theword nigga.
Now they made it negative.
We again took the negativity,like Clip said, and said we're

(51:56):
going to just say nigga, nigga,nigga, nigga, nigga.
We're going to take the E-R offand put the A, as if that makes
a difference.
And now that we're lettingother people say it I hear what
you're saying, clip theyshouldn't say it.
We shouldn't say it either.
It should be banned.
Period.
We shouldn't be notified oridentified as that term.
Period, because, if you thinkabout it, we are the gods.

(52:19):
We got knowledge of self.
They don't.
So how are we letting them tellus what they can call us?

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Can I ask Trevor Sure , as you know, I always
reference hip-hop and you knowgreat literature.
As Nas said on that track,roaches the last poet say we
should not be having a word forthe nigga when the action still
exists today amongst us.
So that goes to what Clip wassaying and Shawnee was saying we

(52:49):
have to do house cleaning andwe got to stop behavioral
behavior.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I totally get that part.
I totally get that part.
But we do have to deal with howthe world was.
Like you said, it stayed worldto disrespect us.
Granted, we might have took itand we might be using it amongst
ourselves.
But that don't mean you justwon't let anybody word to
disrespect us.
Granted, we might have took itand we might have, we might be,
we might be using it amongstourselves.
But that don't mean you justwon't let anybody just that.
Don't mean that, bro, thatdon't mean because I, I address

(53:15):
you like that.
That don't mean the next mancould address you like that and
for I wouldn't, I wouldn't standfor that, like I personally
wouldn't stand for that.
I personally wouldn't evenaddress you like that nine times
out of ten.
But that's because you mind no,let me finish.
That's because you mind that'sthe one thing that we all kind
of lean on.
That's why we put the mind infront of it, because you mind

(53:39):
that's an in-house issue andthat's not an issue that
everybody could just open thedoor and say yo, yo, nah don't
go like that G.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I'm going to tell you , shawnee, the new era though.
The new era, the new era ofCliff.
I'm going to let you go, pop.
I'm going to let you go, cliff,just give me one second.
What I'm saying is the new eraof kids coming up, teens and 20s
.
That's a word for them, likethey're really pushing a line on

(54:09):
it.
They're telling other people ofdifferent nationalities,
ethnicities, to say the wordthey're trying to like blur the
lines with it.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Well, go ahead clip so when the slave masters are
saying that's my nigga overthere, it's a difference.
That's the same shit, it's mine, you's my nigga over there,
it's a difference, becausethat's the same shit, it's mine,
you are my nigga.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Right, but you know it come from a seed.
But that's again.
We're going back to context.
Again, we're going back tocontext, though.
And context is a big part ofthis world.
Right, Context is a big part ofthis word.
Like I said before, the contextis the most important thing in

(54:51):
anything that you say.
That's the most important.
That's the most important thing.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Here's my thing, so like, so okay, here's my thing
we should not be like we want touse the word.
If we want to use the wordamongst each other, then we
shouldn't use it on these publicplatforms where we can make
people feel like it's okay tosay it.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
No, but I'm in agreement with that.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
They're going to say well, you guys say it all day
long, why can't I say it?

Speaker 5 (55:18):
all day long.
No, I'm in agreement, or we cansay it, but you can't.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
How it's freedom of speech.
How do you want me to regulatewhat I can say?

Speaker 5 (55:27):
No, it's freedom of speech, but then there's also
repercussions for your actions.
There's freedom of speech,there's freedom of action, and
there's repercussions for both.
So you can feel free to saywhat you want to say.
And then you can feel free tosay what you want to say, but
I'm going to tell you straight,like this there you want to say,

(55:49):
but I'm gonna tell you straight, like this, it's gonna be
certain places, certain nooksand crannies.
You're not gonna feel that freeto say that when you're gonna
when you're gonna realize, nodamn, I can't say that, hey,
there's this, is this point, but.
But like ron was saying, likethat, but I'm gonna be, I'm
gonna be real with you, it's,it's.
It's basically an old ideology.
Now, right, like eveneverything that we're saying is
played out.
This whole argument is nonsensebecause it's played out.

(56:10):
It's played out, it has become.
It's like everything, bro, ifit's played out.
After a while it gets washed out.
After a while, the meaning ofthings gets washed out.
Right, right, right, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm saying that.
Get washed out, like after awhile, the meaning of things
gets washed out.
My argument but whatever, okay,right, right, right, no, no, no
, no, no.
I'm saying that what we'resaying is an old argument.

(56:34):
That's what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is asking thatbecause what we're?
We're too old, the individualsarguing about our differences in
this point, but these kidsdon't even have that in between
them anymore.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
But that goes back to my original statement where I
said why should we even care atthis point?
Because if we're going to useit, if they're going to use it
and we're going to allow them touse it, then we can't regulate
it.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
But I was expressing why I care, though I was
expressing why I care and whatrule and what sentiment I would
abide by.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
When white people use it.
I know the history of it, Iknow what it means.
I don't even let it affect meno more, because I know I'm not
that.
Yeah, but it's not about that,it's about the it don't be about
that at the time.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
It be about the disrespect that was intended.
It don't be about that.
It don't be about me.
It don't be about me not beingwhat you called me.
You could call me the dumbest,stupidest.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
This, that and the third in the world but depending
on when you say it like if yousay it when we already be family
, yeah huh.
Oh, my poor guy.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Because I got the mic .

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I got the mic you don't say it's a disrespectful
term.
If you go to certain parts ofthe South, they're going to use
that shit freely, with noproblem.
I don't care.
I don't let it affect mebecause for one I know I'm not
that However they feel or howthey feel to choose to use it,
that's on them.
As long as you ain't physicallytouching me or doing anything

(58:02):
to jeopardize my freedom, Icould care less.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
But commonly that's what it comes with, though.
It comes with that though.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
My point not to cut you off, but my point in
bringing this up is that what Isee is I see a trend of
something happening with theyouth and we're going to get
older.
I'm looking at a future of thatword being so universal, like

(58:33):
at a point like 20 years fromnow.
I think everybody's going to be.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
I think it might be there now.
Hold on, let me finish my pointreal quick.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Let me finish my point.
What I'm saying is I'm sayingin 20 years from now, I think
that a lot of people are goingto be using that more than ever
and the fact that YouTube willcut out.
You can't say gay, you can'tsay whatever, whatever, you
can't say the R word.
There's so many words that youcan't say, but you can still say

(59:11):
nigga.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I don't know, I don't understand why Dave Chappelle
said it the best, bro, when hesaid his jokes.
He can't say certain jokesabout a certain community, but
he can always say the N word.
They don't have a problem withthat.
So it comes to show you thatpeople now are using this word
as a way to classify blackpeople.
You know they can say, oh,you're just a nigga, you know,

(59:35):
go greet him as such and, asShawnee was saying, that's going
to get you hurt out here.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
But I'm saying 20 years from now.
That may not.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
But think about this On social media, if you say
Spick Jew, something, something,something, all your pages get
flagged.
But the moment they let you saynigga with all the freedom in
the world all over social media,with no problems.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
But that's because there's no in-house cleaning.
Bro, if you, if we was, if thatwas a decision that we made,
right to say yo, nah, we dubbingthat word right, then you have
the power to say yo, flag thatwe could flag it, because that's
how they move, like they move.
It's not just like anout-the-blue kind of a thing

(01:00:21):
Like the algorithm.
Pick it up now from so many ofthem flagging it before.
So now the algorithm is oh, notdog, like you see what I'm
saying, it comes with that.
It's just like.
It's like.
It's like it's like this right,talking about that, talk about
the unity, talking about that,right, it's like like all right,
like like dominicans came tothe city, right, and there was a

(01:00:45):
time where, like on SaturdayNight Live, I remember when
Tracy Morgan used to playDominican loop Right and used to
, you know, make fun of howSpanish people could barely
speak English, and I rememberbefore they used to all knife
wielding and all of that extranonsense and all of that extra
nonsense.
And so them people got together, got that money up, got them

(01:01:10):
news platforms for themselves,got that Telemundo thing popping
, got the newspapers popping.
They made decisions in-house totake care of their own image,
the image that you can't presentan image of them anymore
because they own the image thatthey present of themselves.
Right to see now.
Now thing is this right, a lotof people like to say we don't

(01:01:32):
do this and a lot of people dowhat we.
You know, we do things that alot of people don't do.
Right, a lot of people comefrom the outside in.
They don't have we that, theydon't have the same dynamic, uh,
that we did.
Like when they have thatdynamic of master the slave,
it's still, it's still theirpeople.
Like, this is a, this is adynamic that we're dealing with
right here.
So there's still going to besome different some, some kinks,

(01:01:55):
there's going to be some holes,there's going to be some things
that we're trying to iron out,that it's going to take a while
too, and it's going to be somethings that the rest of the
world is not going to understandbecause they didn't go through
what we went through what theywent through.
They went through with peoplewho look just like them when
china went through it.
China went through that withjapan.
When, when, when, when, when,when.
People in india went throughthat, like they go through it
right now.

(01:02:15):
Like they go through it rightnow, like slavery is basically
embedded into their law.
Like if you work in somebody'shome, somebody has the right to
charge you room and board andfood and deduct money from you
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Check this out.
I understand your point now,now, now, when you were saying
um, we got to do something to,um, combat this, pretty much
right.
How can we, how can we you saidflag pages, you know have a
unified effort to, to make thechange?
How can we?

(01:02:47):
Who's going to do, who's goingto spark that movement?

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
petition that's.
That's when petitions, butthat's when run.
That's when I'm going to haveto agree with something that you
said a while ago.
Right, that's when I'm going tohave to agree with something
you might have said about threeor four episodes ago, where it's
like you have to get out intothe masses.
You got to start creating thegroups, you got to start, you
got to touch down.

(01:03:10):
You got to touch down and yougot to be regular.
You can't be a politician.
You got to be regular, you gotto touch down.
That's.
And then you have to be patient, because it might not happen in
your lifetime.
You have to be patient.
It's a seed.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
I don't think people want to change the term nigga
when it comes to us period, LikeI hear what you're saying,
Shawnee.
It has to be a change, but mostof the rhetoric that's around
black people nowadays isnegative.
So the word nigga is positiveto most people and it's not

(01:03:49):
going to change and okay.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
So let me tell you this I like which I like.
I like what you said, becausenow I'm going to bring you up an
experience that I had in mylife when I took my ged test,
when I took the predictor.
The question on the predictoris who's the new nigga in
America?
This is when, and then theygave you multiple, multiple

(01:04:11):
choices.
It was Mexicans, it was Chinesepeople and it was like two
other nationalities, and theseis all people that was coming
into America At the time.
This is around 9-11, right.
So that just goes to show youright there that the word nigga
doesn't belong to a group andafter a while, it belongs to the

(01:04:38):
lowest person on the totem pole.
That's what it belongs to,right?
And I can tell you so many timeswe've watched tv that the
middle class was presented toblack america.
Mad times, mad times.
We just might have missed theboat.
I'm not.
We just might have missed theboat on that, and sometimes you
have to accept responsibilityfor things of that nature.

(01:04:58):
So now I want to tell yousomething else.
There's new niggas coming intoamerica.
Now, okay, am I wrong?
No, no, no, am I.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
Are they not new niggas cominginto america?
Do we not have new niggas innew york city right now?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
are they, are they not?
I don't know, I don't know andI'm saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Listen to why I'm saying that.
I'm saying that because they'retaking up the lower jobs.
This is why I'm this is likefollow what I'm follow.
What I'm saying Follow what I'msaying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
I'm saying that the word doesn't belong directly to
us, shawnee, shawnee, hold onone second.
I hear what you're saying, butTrevor has something to say.
I want to hear what Trevor.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Okay, now you said it don't direct.
We don't own the word nigga,but it's always directed to us.
We don't directly own it, butit's always directed to us.
We don't directly own it, butit's always directed to us.
And it doesn't matter how muchmoney we got, how much education
we got, because somebody lowerthan the highest educated black
man is going to be looked at asa nigger.

(01:06:02):
They're still going to getfollowed in Walmart and their
degree, their PhD, ain't goingto say don't call him a nigga,
he got education.
And guess what?
We are accepting of this wordbecause, like he said, there's
no other ethnicity that goes bythe negativity that we do.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
And to add on to what you said there's no other
ethnicity that's going to dowhat we do Give me two seconds,
as you know what he was sayingabout the new niggas right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
That's how the white supremacist structure looks at
people.
They devalue you based on yoursocial class.
You understand, so they willcall you a nigga.
But to add on to that, whenthey call us niggas right and
now they're trying to, they'retrying to use a term so freely.
You don't see that world camefrom hate, but now that hate
became confused admiration onhow they want to be like you so

(01:06:59):
much true I always seen that Ialways wanted to ask do how many
people are you?

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
are you, are you like ?
How do you feel about nigga?
Them like?
Are you proud to be a nigga?
Are you, are you, are you like?
How do you feel about negative?
Like, are you proud to be anigga?
Are you not like?
Well, how do you personallyfeel about negative?
Is this something you trying torun away from and escape?
Is it something that mentallycontrols how you speak or how
you move, or how do you look atnegative?
Are you, are you proud of thehistory, of what you've overcome

(01:07:25):
, or or or are you ashamed ofwhat you had to go through?
What?
What is it like?
What is it?
And then, and then like, like,like, like.
I like.
I was like, I was getting tolike, because I was trying to
set it up when I was saying thatthe government put that in the
school system for the new, forthe kids to know.

(01:07:46):
That's what they ask the future.
Who do you think is the newniggas?
They ask the future that.
Who do you think is the newniggas?
And they ask niggas.
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
They ask that on a GED.
They don't ask that on a SAT.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
It don't matter.
It's on a test that they'reputting out to see how people
think it don't matter.
I had to take that test to getmy GED to be a part of the
society, so I'm not an idiot anddon't have anything to show.
But this is a space thing, lettrap.
All right go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
But I hear you about the test, but everybody don't
take that test.
That's not no real test.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
I understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
That's where that's credit.
Sometimes that's not evencredible to education.
Most times, no, it doesn't.
To just finish to say youcompleted something.
Everybody doesn't take the GED.
Some people have high schooldiplomas and move on and go in
to get higher education.
So that question is never on.

(01:08:54):
You can't go and write an entryessay to a college and say if
they say who's the new nigga incharge or who's it's, that's
offensive all around youbuilding on it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
I told you what happened and you're building on
me.
I told no, no, no, no.
I told you what happened.
There's nothing to build on.
I told you what happened.
That is a state standardizedtest.
It don't make a difference ifthey don't give it to everybody.
They gave it to me and thepeople in my room and the rest
of the people that year who hadto take their GED, and we all in
a society.
What year was that?

(01:09:32):
This was in.
This was in 9-11.
This was whatever year 9-11happened.
That's the same year.
That's the same year I took my.
Same year.
I went to, I went to take myGED Same year.
So so what I'm saying is now,when you look at the influx of
immigrants that's coming in,it's taking the low level jobs,
it's filling the jails up.

(01:09:53):
That's what I'm trying to say,like it's not Something that's
going.
No, what I'm trying to say isit's not going to change over in
the next year.
It's a process Like it's a.
It's not going to change overin the next year.
It's a process Like it's aprocess.
This is a country Like.

(01:10:14):
This is a country Like.
The game plan is 100 years out.
So I can tell you like this,from a personal standpoint, how
I started figuring this out.
I used to do Uber, right, Iused to do Uber.
Now, I remember making an easy$250, $273 a night easy, off,

(01:10:35):
off, off, off, just hard work,off bonuses and tips right, I'm
coming home $275.
Maybe, like, maybe doing like30 trips a night, right, doing
like 30 trips a night, right.

(01:10:55):
Then, about a year after thatthe trip started, you know, the
same trips was coming in, butthe money was like tremendously
low.
I said, oh, look, there's aninflux of different people
coming in because they feel likethey could lower the price.
Now, if you order anything fromuber, you know who's coming to
your door.
Now, you know who's coming toyour door now no, you know who's
coming to your door now.
So this is what I'm trying tosay yeah, they interviewed.

(01:11:16):
They interviewed, uh uh, somehaitians who moved in um um to
little rock and straight up anddown.
He told him yo, I'll dowhatever job.
He said yo, y'all don't want todo the job, I'll do the job.
Y'all want to sit around andwatch on your couch and watch
football, I'll do the job.

(01:11:37):
Okay, so people don't know.
Bro, listen, there's a reasonwhy people don't want them jobs.
No more.
We know that because we livehere in the country, so we know
that.
We know these jobs will breakyour back, and so on and so
forth.
So now we got the people who'sgoing to come in, willing to get
their back broke.
This is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
That's what you understand where.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
I'm coming from with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I hear what you're saying, but at the same time
then we complain about there'sno jobs available as a community
and we complain about our blackwealth rate being 0%.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
I'm not just talking about black people.
Take black people.
No, no, no, no, no.
Take black off of that.
Take black off of that we'retalking about in America.
Take black off of that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Because there's a lot of white people complaining
about that too.
Let them talk.
Let them talk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
I'm saying because our community is affected the
most from this.
Our community, right?
I don't care about the whitecommunity or the Asian community
, because guess what?
The Asian community?
They keep everything in theircommunity.
They kick their own stores,they own businesses, they own
banks.
They got all of that in theirown little area.
We don't have none of that.

(01:12:46):
So then we complain about nottaking the proper job, not
taking low-level jobs, becausewe got this fake-ass image to
maintain, or we got thisfake-ass level that we think we
at, when in reality, bro, we gotbills to pay.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
I don't know if that's it.
I can't say that for everybodyI can't say everybody left a job
because they had an image touphold.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Some people leave jobs because but hold on, here's
the thing about theseimmigrants.
They'll come in here, they'lldo that back-breaking work and
in less than two years they'llhave a house.
That's a fact.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
I see it All right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
That's true, but there's still a point that I
made that people like thisgetting skipped over.
The point that I made, thatpeople like this getting skipped
over.
The point that I made was wewere supposed to secure the
middle class.
That's the point that I wasmaking.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Like when I said come out.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
I kept letting people finish talking.
I kept doing it.
I didn't complain when peopletold me be quiet and let that
man talk.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Hold on, hold on Shani, hold on Shani, hold on
Shani.
I don't know what's going onright now, but your energy is
kind of wild right now.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
I'm just trying to talk and I keep getting cut off
and then when I try, to respondokay, okay, you're doing it
right now.
You're doing it to me right now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
You're long-winded Like get to your point and then
let somebody else build.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
You got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you
got it.
I think I know what to say yougood, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
We got to figure out a way to come up as a group to
red flag it.
But we are limited on resourcesbecause if you got the new
class of, I guess, social mediainfluencers saying, yo, go ahead
and use it, and they got a lotmore influence than we have,

(01:14:40):
it's going to be hard to redflag it because their influence
right now is through the roof.
I get what you're saying, sean.
I agree with everything thatyou're saying.
I agree with with everythingthat you're saying.
I agree with clip like is, butwe are like really like the
minority when it comes to redflagging and becoming that
unified group.

(01:15:01):
These dudes costa not, and allthem they have the back end that
we don't even have right now.
Kosta not got Nike behind him,he got Kevin Hart, he got Lord
knows who we don't see.
You know what I mean and Iagree with you.
We got to stop because the worddon't mean.
There's nothing positive aboutit.

(01:15:22):
But when you got these25-year-olds coming out of
nowhere who just stepped off theporch, ain't been to a party,
ain't been to a house party,don't know how to fight, talking
about yo, go ahead.
You can use the word nigga, goahead, man.
It's okay, how.
It's really like we'rebasically fighting against each

(01:15:43):
other because we don't have theresources to come unified for
one another.
You know what I mean.
That's how I made my post.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
I feel like we don't have enough unity to even
prevent the word from even beingsaid amongst each other,
exactly, but this is where I'mgetting to.
We don't have enough unity toprevent ourselves from using the
word, yet we want to regulateother people from using the word
, yet we want to regulate otherpeople from using the word.
It doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Can I add on to that clip that term nigga right.
Even amongst Caribbean, amongstthe Caribbean community, they
don't use it right.
And what Shawnee was saying, asfar as the people coming, these
immigrants that's come to thiscountry and then now they're
trying to view them as the newniggas, what they do, these
people come from desperatebackgrounds of total destruction

(01:16:38):
, poverty, like here in the us.
You could go down to the humanresources.
You may get some publicassistance whatsoever In the
island or the countries.
There's no such thing as publicassistance.
So this is why they will comehere in desperation, seeking
opportunities to come build alife for themselves.
They will take any job to putfood on the table, you

(01:17:00):
understand.
So this is something thatAmerica need to fix within
itself.
Like, yeah, these people arecoming in and taking your jobs
whatsoever, but there's a reasonwhy it's happening, because
maybe the government is seeingas people not trying to really
capitalize off the opportunities.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
They're not even taking the job.
The job is really just beingavailable because, like Cliff
said, we ain't doing it becausewe feel like it's beneath us.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
You know.
So it's available, so they'regoing to come here, get the
resources.
Get to the public.
It says get that low-bearingjob to 525 to 750 and work with
it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
You know they're gonna.
They're gonna get a house,they're gonna.
They're gonna get an apartmentwith 70 people in that shit and
they're gonna each.
Because I love from a mexican,from from an immigrant Mexican.
He lived in a house with 20people and they each put up like
$10, $10 to pay rent each ofthem and stacked that money up

(01:17:59):
and went and got a house lateron, less than two years.
Peace, divine Allah.
Indeed, we won't do that.
I can't live with thismotherfucker, this person,
excuse my language.
I can't live with thismotherfucker, excuse my language
.
I can't live with this person.
They get on my nerves and thisand that and all this egos.
They putting all that ego andstuff prior to the side and
getting it done, and theybuilding houses themselves, they

(01:18:21):
doing all the carpentry work,they doing the landscaping, they
doing all of it themselves.
We don't want to do that thiscountry was built by immigrants.
Yes, we don't want to do that.
This country was built byimmigrants.
Yes, we don't need to do it.
We got so high up on thissupposed high horse that we all
still living in the hood.
But we got this old supposedhigh horse that we think we on

(01:18:42):
and we wonder why we still inthe same position we in.
Then we want to regulate whocan use a word when we haven't
even regulated ourselves withour own regular conduct.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
That's crazy.
Malcolm said it.
Before we open up arms, extendour arms, we got to look at
ourselves shut our doors.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Conduct amongst ourselves, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
I'm telling you look at these groups, look at these
immigrant groups, as we put it.
You can look at the WestAfricans.
You can look at these groups,look at these immigrant groups,
as we put it.
You can look at the WestAfricans.
You can look at the Caribbean.
They all work collectively.
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
That's their culture, though Am I allowed to speak
now?
Can I speak?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Nobody stop you, but I'm saying the culture, the
culture here as well.
What happened to the culture?
That's not our culture.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
That's their culture.
I keep trying to explain thatthey came from the outside in.
You come with a plan.
You've been looking.
You're not in it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
You have unity here as well, too.
They endured civil rights.
Not to cut you with my bad clipCivil rights and the X, y and Z
.
What happened here.
That will automatically make mewant to stand side by side with
my brother.
Because, though?
My family, I'm first generationborn here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
My family from Haiti, but I still look at my brother
here as my family, shawnee.
I mean Shawnee.
It's a different culture.
Yes, I agree with you.
Yes, it's a completelydifferent culture.
What is our culture?

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
What is our culture?
Our culture is in disarray.
We need to build one.
And this is what I've beentrying to say.
You can't.
You have to accept the smallsteps, bro.
It's not going to.
This tree is not going to justshoot up overnight, it's not.

(01:20:27):
It's mental damage, bro, thatyou have to see that people are
trying to part with.
But first, you can't just beadmit, you can't just be
allowing people to just saycertain things.
It's just going to disrespectyou like that.
Just because you, just becauseyou feel like that, just because
you like yo, just because wehave confusion about it, don't
mean that you could join in onthe confusion.
It don't mean that I mean westill got a ways to go.

(01:20:48):
That's what it means.
That's all it mean.
And that's why I was saying wemissed out on the middle class.
They stopped.
Do you guys remember whenmitchell b she was promoting the
middle class to us?
Do you remember that whenoldsmobile and all of that was
out, when the middle class wasout, that was supposed to be for
us, that was supposed.
That's my dad, and that's why Ikeep saying it the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
We didn't miss out on it, though, because we didn't
miss out on that, though,because we had a lot of black
people working those jobs.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
I believe that we missed out on it because there
is no more middle class.
There is no more middle class.
So that's why I say we missedout on it, because if we would
have had it, we would have keptit up, and that's what I'm
saying.
We missed out on the middleclass in the time when we were
supposed to hop on it and reallyroll through.
Right, because, like how yousay it, america kind of rolls on

(01:21:41):
the poor, but it needs morepoor people for it to keep
rolling, so it let more poorpeople in.
And I know how this sound.
I know this sound terrible.
I know how this sound, I knowhow this sound.
That's why I'm so passionateabout it, because this is how
this work.
This is how this work.
This is a long game, bro.
This game ain't going to beover in our lifetime.

(01:22:03):
We're not going to see the endof it.
Our kids' kids might see theend of it.
That's just that.
And it's a travel.
It's a travel, but we can't beallowing people to pick on us
while we're traveling.
If that's our problem Me andyou got a problem, me and you
got a problem Can't no outsideperson come and say, yeah, well,

(01:22:30):
this, that or that man, you'llget out of here, you'll get out
of here.
Don't join in on the reindeergames, bro.
We in the sky, ready with this,we trying to figure it out.
We'll be dropping presents offsoon, but let us figure it out,
but don't come in and try tojoin in on the reindeer games.
That's one standpoint.
The other standpoint is if itbecomes universal, then you know
, if it loses is, if it losesits power amongst the kids, then

(01:22:53):
it loses its power amongst thekids.
We don't interact with themlike that.
Anyway, that's a wholedifferent world, Right?
So if it loses its power down,it loses power down there, bro.
But I'm not, I'm not with that,like I, I'm not with that.
And I see how it's working.
I see these people coming in.
It's the same thing, yo, it'sthe same thing.
The white man used to say Yo,he taking my jobs, he doing jobs

(01:23:17):
that I wouldn't do, he doingjobs for a nickel that I
wouldn't do for a quarter.
It's the same thing that wedoing, we going through that
right now it's the change ofAmerica.
That's now it's a change ofamerica.
That's what happens and I and Iknow, because I'm sorry,
because I get long-winded, and Iand I really have an important
point to drop.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
This is why I talk a lot, but go on so I just want to
make sure everyone's heard clipyou.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
You had something to say yeah, we didn't miss out on
the middle class.
We were shut out of the middleclass.
We were shut out of the middleclass.
There's a difference.
We had the jobs.
Yes, let me explain we had thejobs.
We had those middle class jobs.
Yes, we were not getting thosebank agreements for those houses

(01:24:01):
and those properties.
That's a fact.
The banks were not.
The banks were red flaggingblack people and not allowing us
to purchase those in thosemiddle class neighborhoods.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
It's a fact.
So we were, they were running,we were not, we were not, we
were not.
We didn't miss out on it, wewere pushed out of it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
There's a difference About that.
There's a difference about thatthere's.
There is a difference aboutwhat you're saying.
There's.
There's a huge difference inwhat you're saying, and I think
that does placate to with acertain bit.
I'm not gonna take from that.
I'm not gonna say no to that.
No, I'm not gonna say no tothat.
But what I am gonna say is itmight have been just in
different neighborhoods.
You might have just not beenable to get into the middle
class neighborhood that youwanted to get into.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
Because when I was saying that the middle class was
supposed to be for us, it wassupposed to be for us.
You wasn't supposed to go andsprinkle yourself in.
That's what I.
When I said it was supposed tobe for us, I meant that part.
So when you saying like yo,yeah, I want to live over here
in this middle classneighborhood, that may be not
the neighborhood that theywanted you to move into.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
And that was because the middle class neighborhood
was originally for the whitepeople Right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
But that's what I'm saying, though, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Like hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Let let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let,
let, let, let, let, let, let,let, let, let, let, let, let,
let let.
For the white people and wewanted to move up in class and
we didn't want to be in our lowpoverty neighborhoods because we
weren't getting bank loans forour own businesses.
We weren't getting none of thisstuff to up build our own
community, so our only choicewas to move up into a new middle
class.
Once we got the middle class,jobs to pay us and then, when we
get to this point, they, theyput a red line on us to say, no,
you can, you can't be here, youhave to go back to your
neighborhood.

(01:25:51):
So now you got people who makethis amount of money.
They're in the hood.
Now you got a class divisionbased off of money and income.
Now that's causing a divisionin our own community.
Hmm, hmm, mm-hmm.
You got to understand thelevels of where it now it's.

(01:26:14):
It's a more divisive divisivething that's going on in our own
neighborhoods.
We weren't able to get to thispoint.
We kept playing as crabs in abarrel mentality because they
wouldn't allow us to get tolevel up so we can bring other
people from the neighborhoodswith us to these middle class
neighborhoods.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
That's not everybody, that's certain people, and I'm
pretty sure that's not everybody, that's certain people and I'm
pretty sure some of them, peoplethat got denied got reasons for
getting denied.
We're not going to just keepsaying everything is black and
white.
Come on, I'm not buying that,bro, that everything can't.
What Clip said is very wellsaid.

(01:26:53):
What Clip said is very wellsaid.
Clip is shooting right now.
He's shooting right now.
I'm not taking that from him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
You can't just buy a house in a middle class
neighborhood like that.
It was very rare.
The reason why some of thesedrug dealers was getting that
shit because they was puttingthe cash up front.
They didn't need a loan fromthe bank, they were paying that
up front.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
I know some folk who made it through, bro.
I know some folk who made itthrough in that song.
That's why I'm not, I'm not,I'm just, I'm not.
I'm not jacking that thathappened with some people.
Yes, I'm not saying that thatdidn't happen with, but I'm not
sayinging that that happenedwith some people.
Yes, I'm not saying that thatdidn't happen with, but I'm not
saying that that happened witheverybody.
I'm not jacking that.
I'm not jacking that.
And even if it did happen, evenif we had the bread right, the

(01:27:39):
money was there we could havecreated the middle class right
there for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Hold on, okay, okay.
So when we did that because wewere doing that too we was doing
that all across North Carolina,we was doing that in Oklahoma,
we was doing that in all theplaces and what were they doing?
They were flooding out ourtowns, they were bombing.
They were doing all of thesethings to prevent us from moving
up.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
What town, what town got bombed in the 90s?
I'm not aware.
Oh, in Philly, you ain't know.
In the 90s, in the 90s, yes.
Send me that new 70s, send methat new I'm talking about in
the 90s.
It happened in the 90s.

(01:28:23):
I know about what happened inour town in Philly.
I know about that.
I know about that.
I know about the judges gettingflooded out and so on.
I know about that.
I know about that.
I know about just gettingflooded out and so on.
I know about that.
I'm not talking about gang.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
They just did it in Louisiana for what's it called
the hurricane that happened.
Was that a?
Middle class society it floodedit out and made a whole new
middle class for the whitepeople.
Those black people don't haveno sexes in Louisiana, no more.
You got to understand it's waysthat they do it.

(01:28:56):
It's not the same exact wayevery time.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
What about the fires?
The fires in the hood and allthat?

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
They do it all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
I hear all of that, but I still, I still, and you go
ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I live very nicely where I'm at right now Very nice
.
But I know I'm the only niggaon this block.
It ain't no.
There ain't no niggas over here, bro.
I'ma keep it all the way above.
There ain't a lot of us overhere.
It's just me, bro.
Congratulations Tip.

(01:29:38):
I'm not proud of that.
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
I'm not proud of that Survivor's guilt right there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Yeah, I got to go back to Harlem.
Why?
Because I got to go back toHarlem and see people that I
know is educated, I know issmart, and they're struggling to
get to this point and then, andthere's so many red flags in
their way, but them red flagswasn't in your way.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
You made it right and you know them people, them
people educated and all that.
So why it was yes, yes, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
You think I just got here.
I don't.
I got here just just off ofeasy.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
No, no, no, no, no, I didn't know.
No, that's not what I said andI I'm sorry if that's the the,
the, if that's the feel that Igave up.
No, that's not what I said.
I was asking why?
Because you went through allthat same stuff that they went
through when you got it.
So I'm like, why, why you?
Why you feel sorry?
Why you feel sorry is what I'msaying.
I know that you're sorry foryour hard work paying off for

(01:30:38):
you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I know that majority of us will not get here right a
minority of us.
A minority of us will get here,but a majority will not.
It is designed that way for amajority of us not to, and I
understand it's designed.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Now I'm just asking.
I'm just asking how.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
It's designed how.
It's designed in the mentalitythat we have.
It's the mentality that we have.
It's the mentality that we have.
That's been embedded in ourbrains Since we was coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
It's called cultural Cultural.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
Mentality, bro.
Okay, so now that we understandthat this is a cultural thing
right and now that we canunderstand that other people
have their different culturesand when they come and they look
and they this is why theyshouldn't have so much to say
about certain things, becauseit's all cultural and then, when
you really look at it, somepeople's cultures like even like
mexicans coming here and andgathering up in in one joint

(01:31:41):
they do that back home too.
It pays off here tremendously,yeah like I always said they
came with.
They came with the game plan.
We got a few people here who'vegame-planned and made some
moves.
We've had that.
But you know what happens.
You know what happens.
Not everybody is ready for that.
Not all of us are ready forthat.
That's the problem, right,that's the problem Because a lot

(01:32:02):
of us have found their own,separate ways to survive in
America.
Right, because we're Americancitizens and we ways to survive
in America.
Right, because we're Americancitizens and we are doing what
the rest of America is doingindulging in consumption.
This is what you know.
We're Americans too, right?
So we try to do things on ourown.
That's the American way.
Even if you don't feel like anAmerican, by your birth

(01:32:24):
certificate says you're anAmerican and you do things by
the American culture.
So a lot of people saying thatyo, these people coming in and
looking and yo, y'all should bedoing this and y'all should be
doing that, and y'all nah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
I want to close with this.
I want to close.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
I would love to know what the plan.
Sully, I would love to knowwhat the plan is but as LeBron
was saying that we got to gettogether and create one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Right.
So so the plan right.
I want to talk about that andclose out, cause this was a
great discussion.
Um, man, I love that.
This was a great discussion,man.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
I can't wait to see y'all face to face, cause this
is going to be we're going toreally have a good time, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Yeah, we're going to have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Yeah, we're going to have a good time, yo Clip.
I love you, yo Clip.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
I love you to death.
Clip you so edgy Yo Clip.
No nonsense.
I respect you to the hilt, bro.
I don't want you to think thatwhen I'm cutting you it's
because I don't respect whatyou're saying or it's because I
don't have respect for you as aman or anything.
Sometimes I get passionate andit's a real heavy conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
This is what I'm saying, black people.
We have to learn how to havehealthy disagreements and
healthy debates without turningit into a negative, violent
thing.
Bro, you get what I'm saying.
We can have healthydisagreements, there's nothing
else.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Now check this out.
I want to close out with a plan, right?
So, like what I've heard, rightis now.
Clip brought this up and man,clip, man.
Now I got to write stuff downbecause I want to bring this
back next week.
I heard Clip say this Blackpeople don't have a culture.
I think you said that before,clip.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, our culture is.
We have a culture, but ourculture is not authentic to our
culture.
Authentic to us because ourculture was created out of
poverty situations.
It's not a what about?

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
because you know, on this podcast you got a lot of
5%ers and all that and Moors andall of that.
What about that?
You're saying that was createdin response to white supremacy
so it's not a culture.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
No, the history of Moors.
We studied the history of Moorsto find our identity amongst
white supremacy.
Ok, that's the reason why wecreated the five cent nation.
The reason why we startedstudying the Moors is the reason
why we ran to the Nation ofIslam and all those other things
because of white supremacy overus at a certain point in time

(01:35:05):
where we wanted to find strengthamongst ourselves certain point
in time where we wanted to findstrength amongst ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Okay, so don't you think that, being that those
cultures were pretty muchcreated to assist us, don't you
think that we should go to thosecultures and help?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
them flourish.
I agree, I agree.
But the problem with, you see,the problem with with these
separate cultures, is thatthere's too many disagreements,
that, that, that, that, thatwhen we shut each other out, yes
, doctrine.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
And one thing to add right, drop a mic right now.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
So you can't add, you can't build, you can't build a
culture unless you have freedomain.
No, and I'm, I'm honestly, thisis.
This is not a debating question.
I'm just, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
I'm what I'm saying is we have to put the we all
have a certain belief systemright and if we want to get, we
want to get to a certain pointof a common goal, as black
people, sometimes we have to putthat personal belief system to
the side for the moment, for theultimate goal.

(01:36:11):
Exactly I always say that wehave to learn how to
compartmentalize certain thingsfirst to get to the main thing
that we need to get to.
You can have your belief system.
Some people believe in JesusChrist Cool.
Some people believe in AllahCool.
Some people believe in the 5%nation Cool.
Some people believe in Allah.
Some people believe in the 5%nation.
Some people follow the Moorsand all of that and the

(01:36:33):
Israelites and all that, allthat is fine, I don't care.
You can believe what you wantto believe.
But at the same time we got tohave a universal thing amongst
all of us that is going tobenefit all of us collectively.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Can I?

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
add one thing though brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
What is that though?

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
My bad, my bad.
We have to come together tofigure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Y'all can hear me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
I was going to say this.
I heard what Shawnee was sayingand what Cliff was saying.
Right, but if you want to seewhat happens to Black people
when they stand up and fight,it's not being biased.
Look at Haiti.
That's how they treat you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
1801 or 1807?
, 1804.
The Haitian Revolution 1804.
All your belief systems didn'tmatter.
We got to beat these.
That's a fact.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
I know what you're talkingabout.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
now, it was knocking off their own, like yo dog.
If you ain't with what we gotgoing on right now, you got to
get up out of here Period.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
You look at Haiti, you look at Puerto Rico, you
look at the rest of theCaribbean, and it's not being
prejudiced.
Wherever this European goeswith his supremacy and some of
our people fall for it too, theydestroy, they create division,
and this is why here, it affectsAmerica as well.
Same thing's happening backhome.
They got us divided.
I could never get back up forwhat you did.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
If you know, the Caribbean islands are Caribbean.
They celebrate being Caribbean,but they wave their separate
flag all day at the parades.
Pay attention.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Yeah, they do, you ain't never, lie about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
It's fine.
I'm not mad at them wavingtheir flag and where they come
from and where they was born andwhere their ancestry was at.
But this is supposed to be acelebration for all of us, so we
all need to be unified at thissituation.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
They do, because you know I was out there whining
upon them.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Whining on my trinity , daddy and jingle we unify in
more ways than others.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I unify a lot.
Mostly, you can send me anAmerican Black, American right,
African-American Black, but Idon't look at Haitians any
different than I look at my ownfamily.
I don't look at Africans anydifferent than my entire family.
I don't look at Trinidadians.
I don't look at none of thosepeople of melanated skin any

(01:39:06):
different than I would look atmy own family.
I don't care what yourupbringing was, because at the
end of the day, we are still themost impoverished people on
this planet to me.
So we all go through a similarstruggle.
We just go about it different.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
Yeah, that's a great point, and on that note that's
indisputable, right there,excellent point, yo, if on that
note.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
We indisputable right there.
Excellent point, yo.
If on that note we got to cutout man.
I want to continue thisdiscussion.
I know a lot's going to happenduring the week that we got to
talk about.
Uh, hold on a second.
Allah didn't born to fivepercent in response to white
supremacy.
He taught pro-righteousness andanti-devilishment.
If it was in response to whitesupremacy, then he would have

(01:39:52):
been Not necessarily brother.
He had to create something tocombat what was going on in the
society at the time.
In the society at the time, andjust like to this day, white
supremacy still reigns supreme.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
So that's why they were teaching us the black man,
not the white man.
It was a self empowerment thing.
All of this was about selfempowerment right so we're going
to touch on this next week, butat the same time, first.
That's why I think we shouldstop using the word nigga,
because it's not self-empoweringus.

(01:40:32):
We need to be self-empowered sothat way we can start making
the proper moves to get to abetter place as a people.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
True indeed.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
And we need to stop responding to the other people
when they say that shit, becausewe need to let them know that
that shit has zero effect on us.
These days, like, whatever youwant to say, that shit, this
shit we don't even respond to it, because the moment we respond
to it, it shows that we're stillinsecure about the word.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
I hate, I hate.
I just want them to be feelingentitled, like when they say it,
like you know it's not the1850s, you know you get your
head cracked open out here.

Speaker 5 (01:41:13):
It's a weird.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
It's a weird and wacky word, man yo, man, that
was a great discussion today.
Dope, dope, dope, dope.
We need to keep these going.
These work yo.
Next week, same time, same sameplace.
Tomorrow.
We got Sharif on at 7 o'clockand we got a surprise, surprise,

(01:41:37):
surprise.
We're gonna put that later onin the week.
And then Thursday.
Thursday, we're gonna talkabout Mikey Fever.
Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Oh yeah, it's my show Thursday Going down.
I know I can't wait, Y'allgetting that Ruin the cut oh.

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
I can't wait.
I can't wait for that.
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
I'm in a chat, Peace y'all have a good night, y'all,
peace, peace.

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