September 10, 2025 • 57 mins
Have you ever wondered what happens when the veil between worlds thins enough for ancestors to communicate directly? In this captivating episode, spiritualist Ayabas Wind reveals the electric phenomenon of tarot divination where cards don't just fall—they fly out of the deck with startling force, leaving clients with goosebumps and undeniable evidence of spirit presence.
Ayabas brings clarity to the often misunderstood world of tarot, distinguishing between the structured system of traditional tarot cards and the story-focused Oracle decks. She explains how these tools function as conduits for spiritual messages rather than simple fortune-telling devices. What's particularly fascinating is her description of how cards become "almost like a living entity" in the hands of an experienced reader, choosing when and how to reveal themselves.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as Ayabas shares insights about spiritual hygiene, the dangers of ego in divination work, and why some spiritual paths should not be pursued without proper preparation. Her warning about shadow work and certain decks associated with darker energies serves as a thoughtful caution for listeners. "When you do shadow work, you know, it can go real deep and real dark, and some people are built for that," she reveals, explaining how some excavations of the soul can unearth energies that not everyone is equipped to handle.
Perhaps most valuable is Ayabas's humble approach to her gift, repeatedly emphasizing that she is merely a vessel for ancestral wisdom. "It's the spirits doing the work," she insists, reminding us that true spiritual work requires setting aside personal ego and allowing higher guidance to flow through. Her perspective offers a refreshing authenticity in a field sometimes clouded by self-importance.
Ready to experience the ancestral electricity of tarot for yourself? Connect with Ayabas through Instagram @AyabasWind or email AyabasWynd999@gmail.com. Mention you discovered her through this episode, and begin your journey into the profound conversation between worlds that tarot divination facilitates.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
peace world.
How you doing world.
It's your brother, mikey Viva.
Another episode of NYP TalkShow, setting the mood, setting
the vibes right.
We about to get into it.
We got our dear guest sister.
So many titles you have.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Healer Okay, okay, I like that divinator high priest,
yeah, a little bit of that alittle bit of that tarot reader.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Spiritualist, miss Ayabas, how you doing, beloved?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
hi, hi everyone, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
oh you know they'll definitely.
They'll definitely be cheeringyou on, because your last show
got some numbers they loved itokay great comments.
People like what you weresaying.
We've received mail about it aswell.
To bring you back.
We got to bring you, definitelyfor a live one, so we can have
them interact more with you, toget to know, you know, get a
feel of who you are.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, I love that.
We can definitely do a live andyou know I welcome the
questions, no problem.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, definitely, and tonight we'll be talking about
divination through tarot.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, great.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
First and foremost, how you doing.
I'm great.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
First and foremost, how are you doing?
I'm great.
You know it's been a crazy weekand I'm not sure if it's like
the eclipse having to doanything with it.
But yeah, and I'm just comingoff of doing a big event.
It's called Oracle Acts.
It's called Oracle Acts it's apsychic event that happens once
(02:05):
a month at Barrow's Tasting Room, and so there's a collection of
(02:26):
psychics, tarot readers,spiritualists that come and you
know we're open for thecommunity to come in and you
know know get.
They could get one reading,they could get multiple readings
.
You know it's up to you, butit's really a night of um
psychic phenomena.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful and yeah dotell more about that and
throughout the show was so thatyou know when okay great place
again.
People could come out and checkyou out no, definitely you know
she's on point.
I'm not gonna lie to you, man,she's on point, you know.
So the first question we havehere we're gonna get into the
basics of tarot, right?
What is tarot divination?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
um.
So for me, you know, peoplewill have their own perspective
in their own experiences withtarot, and so I don't think
there's any right or any wronganswer, but for me, it's a tool
that's used to tap into spirit,um and to generate a
(03:20):
conversation um around theperson that um that I'm reading,
and so it can sparkconversation based on the cards
that come out, both Tarot andOracle, cause there's two
different sets of cards.
(03:40):
All right, and Oracle, oracletells a story, all right, and
Oracle, can you break it down?
Oracle tells a story and you canhave Oracle cards as it relates
to love and relationships, asit relates to past lives, as it
relates to shadow work, as itrelates to astrology.
(04:06):
There's so many different setsof oracle cards as it relates to
self-care, but then tarot ispretty much a fundamental,
classic standard of cards.
You'll have your pentacles, orcoins, coins, you'll have your
(04:26):
hearts, or your cups, um, you'llhave your swords, um, um, or
your um, the fates, or you'llhave the wands, uh, which are
the clubs, okay, and if you lookat playing cards, because you
know people have been doingreading tarot through playing
cards if they weren't able toget tarot cards, they look at
playing cards because peoplehave been reading tarot through
playing cards.
If they weren't able to gettarot cards, they would get
(04:48):
playing cards, and so each cardwithin the tarot deck has a
certain meaning.
So it is up to the tarot readerto either use a classic
historical meaning for that cardand read that way, and or they
(05:13):
can read the pictures which cankind of stimulate a conversation
that way.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So there's so many different ways to read tarot.
So, like with the spreads,right, I'm glad you broke that
down.
With the spreads, I have seenspreads where people do a spread
of three or four, right, um,can you elaborate with what that
means?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
so you know, I believe, and other readers may
not believe, but that's okay.
I believe the spreads bringorder to the cards.
That could be kind of chaotic,Okay, Because you're dealing
(06:01):
with lots of cards in a deck,Because you're dealing with lots
of cards in a deck and so ifyou're just pulling out cards
and just throwing themeverywhere, there's no order.
And so for people who are alittle like OCD or type A
(06:24):
personality, you know thedifferent spreads lend itself to
having an order to the reading.
So you know you may havesomeone that has a certain
number of cards that representthe past, a certain number of
cards that represent the presentand a certain number of cards
in a certain configurationacross or whatever it is fanned
out, that represent the future,and then you may have a card
(06:47):
that represents the client, theperson that's being read, and
then a card that may representthe person that the client is
coming to talk about.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
All right.
So you're talking about, interms of using which deck the
Oracle, tarot or playing cards?
Right, I'm talking about theTarot deck.
Deck the Oracle, tarot orplaying cards?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm talking about the Tarot deck.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Oh, the Tarot deck, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, and so yeah the Tar by utilizing different
spreads to tell certain stories.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Perfect.
So that's a perfect segue tothis question right here.
So can anyone learn tarot, oris it only for those with
psychic abilities, or is it onlyfor those with psychic
abilities.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Anyone can learn tarot, but in my experience you
can't force it.
There has to be somethingwithin you that compels you to
want to get a deck and take timeout to learn the deck and learn
the meanings and meanings andbecome familiar with it.
(08:06):
And so I was never like mymother would read tarot.
She read I Ching, amongst otherthings and so I really didn't
have an interest in tarot untilI hit probably my 40s At my
(08:36):
early 40s, and that's when I wasjust like, oh, okay.
But before then I was just like, yeah, whatever, I could have
cared less about tarot and I hadcards and people gifted me
cards, but honestly, my spiritwas not drawn to the cards.
It could have been the mostexpensive deck ever, but my
(09:00):
spirit was not drawn to pickingup those cards and learning the
meanings Really.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Intuition why was that?
But my spirit was not drawn topicking up those cards and
learning the meanings.
Really Intuition.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Why was that?
I just, you know, maybe Iwasn't like mentally,
spiritually, emotionally readyto handle what comes with the
cards, what comes with the cards, because these cards become,
they can become like a livingthing, like an entity almost.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Really.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And so you know, and it's a practice that it's a
fairly ancient practice, okay,or it's based on ancient things,
and so I think, yeah, you can'tforce it, you can't force it.
And so I wasn't really promptedto learning tarot until I had a
(10:01):
breakup with someone.
A breakup with someone, um, andthe tarot helped me to
understand what was happeningwithin that particular
short-lived relationship, and sothat's really what prompted my
interest.
It helped me to like break down, dissect what was actually
(10:28):
happening.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Wow, so you say, the tarot, the card, the deck became
, you know, took a life of itsown how does that happen?
How does that happen?
It?
Does it mean that the personwho has the deck must bond with?
It and like purify it a certainways.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know how's it consecrated yeah, I mean, you
know there's, there's so manydifferent like little um rituals
that people do.
Some people, when they gettheir cards, they sleep with the
cards under their pillow.
Some people put it in a special, you know, velvet sack and then
they put crystals on it, youknow.
(11:05):
Or they surround the deck withall these crystals.
And I'm not minima, I'm notminimalizing that Um.
It's that you have to do whatyou need to do, what works for
you and your spirit team.
For me, I don't do all thatteam for me.
(11:33):
I don't do all that.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You know, my my thing is is that I do the readings in
accordance with the ancestorsand with the person's spiritual
entourage got you that's akatheir spirit team and that's
done to give this for them to umpermit you access in today, or
yes, I, I do it with respect tothe ancestors.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm a daughter of oya , um, or ya is the mother of the
egg on the ancestors, thosepeople who are in the, the, uh,
the ancestor realm, and so Iabsolutely cannot bypass them.
I will not make light of them.
I don't play, I don't joke, Idon't smoke weed, I don't take
(12:18):
any kind of you know, drugs ordrink.
You know, um, you know drugs ordrink.
You know, because for me, Ineed to be as clear and as clean
as possible when I do readingsfor people.
But other people, they connectwith spirit through smoking weed
(12:40):
, you know, or through a littlealcohol or through, you know,
smoking a cigar.
I could, you know, I couldsmoke a cigar and get into it,
but that taps in to a totallydifferent energy.
And usually when I do readingsit's either at a shop, at an
event, um, at a party, um and uhthere's no time for unless it's
(13:06):
like a super private readingand I, you know, we have a thing
and you know, I get into itthat way because the cigar,
smoke and the alcohol start toconjure other energies, um, and
I think that's appropriate forother spiritual things, but when
(13:27):
I do spiritual readings.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Nah, it's all about the cards and connecting to
spirit, and for me, the purestway possible okay, I respect
that uh I got you, everyone hasthe rhythm of doing things yeah
sure all right, so we're goingto stick on more of the basics,
but then I'm going to go into,you know, more in-depth
questions.
Okay, what are the major akanaand minor akana?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So the major arcana are the picture cards, the sun,
the magician, the death card,you know, those are all the
cards.
And then the minor cards haveto do with, like, the eight of
wands or the seven of cups Okay,the seven of cups Okay.
(14:17):
And so the major arcanaindicate major events, major
changes, major aspects of theperson's life, while for me the
minor arcana represents, like,the little details, the little
nuances, the eccentricities.
(14:39):
Little details, the littlespecifics, and when I say little
I don't mean to like minimalizewhat's happening in the
person's life, but it's allthese little things that create
a bigger picture.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
A bigger picture, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
All right.
So the details that we tend tooverlook that result into this
taking place.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Present future.
Okay, that's very deep man.
I like that Mm-hmm.
So, with the methods andpractices of tarot, if I'm
saying correct tarot or tarot,however they put it, you know,
no one disrespect.
What are the?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
most common tarot spreads.
I would say it's the Celticcross, that's the major one and
then they'll, they'll do the fanout one.
But I noticed, and I'm a partof a huge tarot community on
YouTube- Okay.
(15:40):
And the community is like hugeand so a lot of the readers
don't really use those spreads.
Some of them do and I thinkthey'll use those spreads.
And I think they'll use thosespreads more so for private
(16:01):
readings.
Okay, because if you go on toYouTube in the tarot community,
a lot of those readers are doinggeneral readings or pick a card
.
So that's another spread, likepick a card, you know you'll,
they'll lay out the cards likein three piles, or they'll lay
out three cards and they'll havepeople.
You know you'll, they'll lay outthe cards like in three piles,
(16:21):
yeah, or they'll lay out threecards and they'll have people
you know their um, theiraudience pick a card and so
they'll go through each card andexplain the meaning, what's
happening with that particularcard.
If that person picked the card,then they kind of get their
answer to what was happeningwith them on their end.
(16:43):
But you know a lot of thereaders, they will pull the
cards out.
They'll pull the cards andthey'll just start telling a
story.
It's like narrating a storybased on what they see Okay,
it's like narrating a storybased on what they see Okay, and
(17:04):
it's either through themeanings of the cards or it's
their spirit talking like well,you know, because I see this
spirit is saying that this, thisand this is happening and
because of this, then you needto do this.
You know this person has athird party that's interfering
with the relationship and that'swhy there's a three of swords.
There's heartbreak, there'scheating, there's you know, um,
(17:29):
you know distrust, you know Umand so um.
So people will read the cardsthrough pulling the cards
manually.
I don't do that.
I, like I said, I tap into theancestors, I tap into the
person's spirit team andwhatever cards fly out the deck.
That is the spirit pulling thecards out the deck.
And you will actually see, likeI've actually had clients be
(17:52):
like an amazement with the forceof the cards flying out the
deck, like you can actually like.
The energy and the presence ofthe person's ancestors and
spirit team is palpable, likeyou can feel it, okay, almost to
the point where you getgoosebumps, when you feel the
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energy, like the electricity ofthe cards jumping out of the
deck.
Yeah, with the force of jumpingout of the deck yeah.
With the force of it jumping outthe deck.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Wow, sorry about that , but that's deep.
I have seen that done beforeand I'm like that always amazes
me.
I'm like it's like someone wasthere, like they just slapped
the reader's hand.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yes.
Yeah, I have seen that yes, Ithought I was, and that is that.
That's what you can wit.
You witness, you actuallywitness that phenomena.
It's crazy got you.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
So how do you choose which spread to use for reading?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
oh, good question.
So I have a number of differentdecks.
I have a Marchetti deck, um,and then I have this other deck
it's a more modern deck rightnow I can't recall the name, but
the colors are absolutelybeautiful, stunning.
The images are stunning, um,and so they have so many
(19:16):
varieties of the tarot deck, andso you know, some images are
much more abstract, and thenthere are images that are very
classic, traditional tarot likethat are kind of steeped in that
, like kind of a eitherVictorian period, you know very
(19:37):
early on, and so, uh, you knowit.
It all has to speak to yourspirit and to your personality,
but also to what it is you'refeeling for the client.
So I may not read the same deckfor the for each client.
It'll just be a different, likea hodgepodge of things, but
(19:59):
very strategic and verycalculated with which cards I go
to okay, I got that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So say, a client comes in and be like, hey, miss
ayahuas, I'd like to get areading any um, depending on
what you feel in that personwith a spiritual team you ask
for permission, does do this?
Do their spiritual teamcommunicate with you?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
and you'd be like, I'm gonna pick, I'm gonna use
this card for you yeah, yeah, Imean there's certain people that
come in and after I say theprayers, like you can feel like
the static electricity, it'slike you're, you feel your crown
vibrating.
The other other person isgetting goosebumps, you know.
And so then, like it's like,it's like spirit directs you to
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the deck.
I have my decks, like laid out,and so you know the spirit will
direct my eyes to a particulardeck and then we'll start with
that deck and then we'll workour way around.
So if the person wants to focuson love, or there's love issues
or breakups and things likethat, I have a ton of decks,
(21:06):
both Tarot and Oracle, that willfocus on that as far as the
content, the images, themeanings of the cards.
And then there's other peoplethat want to talk about work,
and then there's other peoplethat want to talk about work,
and then there's people that aretalking about, you know, past
lives and shadow work and all ofthat.
(21:27):
So you know it just depends onthe person coming in, what their
energy is, what it is that theyneed.
There are some people that arejust like, look, I don't really
know where to start.
Let's just start with a generaland let's kind of comb through
it and see what we get, and sothey can start general.
(21:49):
And then all of a sudden stuffstarts popping up about you know
there's a connection betweenthem and their ancestors in
Ireland, or them and theirancestors in the Caribbean.
And then you know there's allthese other things that pop up
that may be in the cards.
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But then you know intuition,you know, taps in, and then
things start to like unravel andgo into a place Like you
wouldn't even imagine that thereading would have gone to.
And some people leave thereading in shock.
They're just like, oh my God,like I came here for one reading
(22:32):
, for you know, with one umthing in mind, but the spirit
team takes them on anotherjourney, on another path that
they never thought they would goon.
Wow, so it's exciting.
It's exciting Um, a littlescary Um, but it's a very
(22:53):
interesting journey.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah Right, you know what?
For those who don't know, youneed to go check her out,
because everything she's sayingI know it's like wild blowing
your mind, but she's she'sreally incredible with her work.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I've seen, thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And she's on.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
So the question I have right here is All right.
Is it important who touches thecards during the reading?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
important who touches the cards during the reading.
Okay, you know what?
Um, there are certain decksthat are really only for me all
right and I have.
I have a lot of decks that Icreated because spirit and the
ancestors led me to create theseparticular decks and these are
Oracle decks and so those decksare very important to me and so
(23:50):
generally people don't touchthem and I don't really have
people touching them, but the,the tarot decks and the ones
that are store bought, I don't.
I don't have a issue with that.
You know, um, I do cleanse thearea.
You know I cleanse the table,um, before I start reading.
(24:11):
I will be cleansing throughoutthe readings between each um
client, um and the cards.
Also, you know experience thecleansings for me.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I cleanse the decks through shuffling yeah, is there
a particular way of shufflingum the cards?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
it must be shuffled I shuffle pretty much what they
do in the casinos.
So my shuffling is I shufflefast, I'm saying prayers as I'm
(24:49):
shuffling because I'm I'mcleansing the deck of the energy
of the person that I readbefore, but then I'm also
inviting the energy of theperson that I'm reading that's
in front of me currently.
So you can use Florida water tocleanse your desk, your deck.
(25:10):
You can use cascarilla, whichis the powdered eggshell, to
cleanse your deck.
To cleanse your deck, um, youknow, some people will smoke it
with sage or Palo or Palo Santo,um, you know those kinds of
with crystals, whatever it isthat works for them.
(25:31):
I'm not knocking anybody intheir practices and I don't like
when people come on, you know,to different platforms and they
start, you know, speaking badlyabout other readers and what
they do and their practices andthey shouldn't read the card
this way, because the card meansthis yes, there are standard
meanings, but you know, readersread the cards intuitively and
(25:56):
some people just lay the cardsout and they don't even use the
cards.
The cards are used as aphysical action and, in a way, a
spiritual action to tap in thespirit.
And then some people just like,go off, you know, off of what
the spirit is telling them intheir head.
Because they're clairsentient,they're clairaudient, they're
(26:18):
clairvoyant.
You know whatever it is theirspecial clairaudient, they're
clairvoyant.
You know whatever it is theirspecial.
Claire is they start going atit that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yes, you're so detailed and I'm glad how you
speak and you don't come on hereas an authoritative figure.
Yeah, you speak as apractitioner from your
perspective and what you havelearned and studied, and I like
that there's no ego with you,which is dope.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And, like I said in previous podcasts and videos
that I've done with you, I standby that when there is ego,
there is no spirit.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh, my God, you know what.
Hold on, hold on.
We got to give you.
We got to Hold on, we got togive you this and we got to give
you this right here.
We got to give you this.
What you said was so truebecause you know there are a lot
of people that you know.
I say people here, here I go.
There are a lot of people outthere that do act like
(27:17):
authoritative figures and theytry to say this is the way we do
it, this is the way we stand onit.
Listen, there's more than oneway to skin the cat.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And we can all view one picture and have different
perspectives.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Light to you light, yes.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, work for you may not work for me, and, at the
end of the day, I'm not here tobash you or take you down, as
long as you're not out herescamming people yes, it's all
good, because you know there area lot of scammers out there
like exactly you know, I beingthat you make your own deck
tarot deck right, I was thinkingabout that facetiously joking
in my head.
Like you know why, I'm gonnaget me some Pokemon cards.
(27:56):
Look, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean, look, if you love Pokemon and Pokemon is your
shit like you, that's yourthing, and you see a.
Pokemon.
You see a Pikachu and thePikachu tells you that this
person is going to win thejackpot or going to break up
with their boyfriend orgirlfriend.
Look, I'm all for it If thatworks for you.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
At least I'll mess it around before they think I'm
losing my mind.
That's dope.
So I have this other question Ihave like.
Should you ask yes or noquestions with tarot?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, some people have tools within the tarot that
certain cards mean a yes, like,I would venture to say like if
they get the sun.
Of course the sun means yes,you know, but if they get the
devil, I would venture to saythat if the person you know asks
a yes or no question and thedevil pops up, it would be
(28:59):
literally hell, no.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Got you.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
But I, I um, you know , I incorporate other things.
You know I can do the shells Um, and I have other tools where I
ask yes or no questions.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh, with the other, with the other, with the other
tools, so with the other thingsthat I have.
Yes so can you just brieflytouch on those other things that
you use for divination?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
um, it could be coins , shells, um and uh, you know, I
have a god brother of mine.
He's an.
He's been a priest for like 14years, but he's a hoodoo man
from Savannah Georgia.
Um, he is, uh, you know, um, umtraining me on how to read
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bones chicken bones chickenbones.
Yep, yeah, because you know he'sfrom the South and you know,
you know a lot of the rootworkers and hoodoo workers.
Um, you know they made theirown little divination tools from
chicken bones.
And like you know odds and endpieces, like you know a die dice
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or a piece of metal or a coinor a key, or you know what I'm
saying.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Coffee.
I seen it done with people.
My family's a cup of coffee.
Like the grains in the bottomof the cup of coffee, they use
that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, a cup of coffee .
You know, there's all.
There's so many differentmethods, like I know, like in
one of the events that I was at,there's a chick that reads beer
foam, the foam of the beer.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I heard I heard people spoke, had spoken about
that the beer foam.
Like they, you foam, they lookat how it foams up and how it
cascades.
I'm like that's deep, that'sdeep right there.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And I think this lady she is from.
I believe she's Ukrainian orRussian.
She's either Ukrainian orRussian, and so that's her deal.
She does that.
I don't know how good she is,but there's people that go to
her.
There's another woman, I knowwho.
She reads your purse and oryour wallet.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Really.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
She goes through people's purses and starts
pulling out stuff of theirpurses and starts reading them
through reading the things intheir purse.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Wow, wow wow, that's.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's crazy right yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's sound like some like fbi tactic.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
They like yeah for me , like you know, I'm not doing
that, but look, people getcreative.
You know, I guess they getbored and it's like you know and
that's why, like for myreadings, I and I do a mix
between oracle and tarot,because sometimes just doing
tarot, tarot, tarot can beboring.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
So I like the oracle, because the oracle fills in the
gaps, it makes the story ofthis person richer.
You know, vivid, more vivid,okay, but it also, again, it
prompts a deeper conversationwith the person and with the
person's spirit.
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Team.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So with the interpretation of that right.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
How does astrology relate to tarot?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Um, in some cases it does, in some cases it doesn't.
So, uh, you know, when you getcups in the traditional tarot,
the cups represent water, andwhat are the water signs in
astrology?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
yeah, I have the water cancer scorpio pisces
scorpio Pisces.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So there is some connection there, you know, if
you want to, you know, becausesome people, clients come when
they get readings.
They want to know, well, who'sinvolved in this, who's the next
man coming, who's the nextwoman coming in my life?
You know my divine masculine ormy divine feminine?
Are they going to be like?
Are they going to be Scorpio?
Are they going to be like?
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Are they going to be a Scorpio?
Are they going to be a Leo?
And so you know.
Sometimes.
You know, though, that thosetidbits of information are
important for the person, and soyou can, you know, incorporate
astrology in that.
But astrology in and of itself,that right there it's, it's
really of itself, that rightthere it's, it's really, it's
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really an intricate, complexscience.
Um, and I give respect to those, people who do astrology.
um, but you know, and I'll, I'llincorporate a little bit of
astrology, but, like my deal isconnecting with the ancestors,
you know what I'm saying?
Reading the stars and theconfigurations, like you know,
ryan, and this, like that's notmy deal.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And they don't birth chart what you birth chart at
the time you were born and youknow.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Angel walks with you.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, look, I'm not into that.
What phase of the moon?
You know certain aspects of themoon?
Yeah, that's, I can deal withthat.
But, like all this conjunctingand you know, it takes a special
person who has an affinity withthat particular um spiritual
science to study and getinvolved in.
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And I know some people that arevery, very good.
There's this one um um oneHaitian chick that I know and
she's nice with it.
She's in Crown Heights and herreadings are like deep and so
and I think she may charge like$200 or $300 for, uh, an
(34:45):
astrology reading, like a full,like comprehensive uh layout,
but that's, that's not my deal.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I don't, I don't do that I know about those
astrology readings shout out toyou know I ain't gonna say my
brother name, but he have donethose and they are very deep,
like you know.
It taps into you know, like yousaid, the configuration, the
constellation, yes, involvessome kabbalah oh yeah, 72 angels
.
which archangel you know wasborn?
(35:14):
Which archangel was present atthe time you were born?
Okay, no, and it was so deep toa point, I even went out there
and I, uh, purchased this book,because I'm always showing books
on here and these are things.
I study it was this book righthere.
I don't know if they can see it.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
What's the title of the book?
What is it?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
The Science of the Kabbalah by Lazer, and it goes
deep.
It's about the 72 archangelsand the hour and time you were
born.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You know every hour has a particular angel.
For that hour minutes it playsa major part the month you were
born, even down to the day.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
You know.
So it's pretty deep.
It's pretty deep and I was likecurious, I wanted to inquire
more about that.
So I went out there and gotthat book.
Okay, yeah, for those who wantto go check it out.
Um, how do you know if a card'smeaning is literal or symbolic?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
um, I think it's just tied into the conversation, you
know.
Um, so if I get the sun card,for one client the sun could be
new beginnings and usually withthat traditional card they
usually show like a toddler or ayoung infant riding on top of a
horse and then the sun is inthe background.
(36:40):
But for another person who I'vehad the conversation with about
pregnancy and fertility thatcame up in the Oracle cards, and
then she gets the sun card andthen informs me that, oh, okay,
like a baby comes soon, thebaby's coming soon, you know a
pregnancy, a birth announcement,you know, and so it's just,
(37:03):
it's situational.
Got you, got you you all right,I like that and no two readings
are the same.
No, no two readings are thesame.
Like every reading.
It's like it is a um, a specialprescription.
Uh, it's tailored.
(37:24):
It's like you know.
You know how people like men goto get their like suits fitted
and tailored, and if it's everymuscle, every curve, every angle
, you know what I'm saying.
So, just like that happens withthe, the readings, both oracle
and tarot, like everything istailored especially for that
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person.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Got you, got you.
All right, we'll go more intothe dimensions of it, like the
spiritual and psychologicaldimensions of this Tarot reading
.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Can Tarot reveal past lives or karmic patterns?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Tarot can reveal past lives and karmic patterns.
I don't particularly work withpast life things, but there have
been moments in the readingwhere spirit prompts me to be
like, look, this is a karmicpartner, this is someone from
your past life that you'rereconnecting with.
(38:22):
You're reconnecting with, okay,um, and there are people that
special, specialize in past life, um and shadow work and all of
those things, um, um.
But it just depends on, like Isaid, the energy that the person
is reading with and there's acertain combination of cards
that could come out.
(38:42):
Um, that could talk about that.
Like the six of cups usuallytalks about someone coming in
from the past, either someonethat you knew in the recent past
or in the last 10 or 20 years,or childhood friend, or
sometimes the six of cups canmean that this person is from
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your past, like past life, butit depends on the other cards
that come around it as towhether you, you know you go
that far back got you I like.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
That being that, you mentioned shadow work right, can
tar specific decks that areshadow work?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
decks that are much better, got you Okay for that
kind of work.
I had thought about doingshadow work and look, I got a
(39:40):
shadow deck and I was reallylike looking at the deck,
studying each card, you know,trying to like get in tune with
the deck.
But my spirit team, myancestors, my spiritual court,
was like no, no and hell no.
So, yeah, because when you doshadow work, you know, know it
(40:06):
can go real deep and real darkand some people are built for
that.
Because once, once you go intosomeone and you help, you help
them to excavate this and that'sthe word I want to use exca,
excavate and do like anarchaeological dig of what is
(40:29):
happening in.
You know, deep in their soul,deep in their spirit, what is
motivating them, what is, youknow, prompting them to behave
this way, to act this way, towire these outcomes happening in
this person's life.
It can go so deep that it canget very sinister and very dark.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Really.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
You might unearth something deep within a demonic
voice.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yes, and let me tell you there are certain tarot
decks.
I think Aleister Crow Crowleythere is.
You know about that person,right?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
That dude.
I had a few of his books.
That dude was serious.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh, yes, and we like in the shop that I work at,
there's a lot of material on him.
There's some tarot decks andsomeone had gotten me a deck one
of his decks and you know itlooks like very artistic and you
know some abstract kind ofimages.
(41:40):
But I looked at it and Istarted like looking through
each card and as I lookedthrough each card, there was
like this dark feeling that Istarted to feel and I was just
like yeah, no, and I politelygave that deck to somebody who
(42:00):
wanted it.
You can do it, yeah, no, no, I'mnot.
I'm not built for that, I know.
But there's, there's people.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I'm not knocking it because we have people coming
into the shop like on the huntin the search for this man's
material books, tarot cards andall that he was something else,
like the dude was reallyprofound, like dedicated to what
he was um on a quest for, likehe traveled for this he invested
money, his time, but it was hisintentions that were were off
(42:34):
to me like the deviant behavioryeah, I'm not knocking it like I
, you know, I'm not knockinglike his his passion for what he
was doing, yeah, but there wasalso something else, that was
like propelling him to go theroute he went.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And so, again, like sometimes people are driven by
darker forces, by darkerentities that could be possibly
ancestors, that that could bespirit guides, possibly, or
spirits that you picked up alongthe way because you were
dabbling in something that lentitself to those spirits.
(43:17):
Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
It wasn't meant for him.
He opened too many doors.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Being that we're speaking about opening doors and
portals, did you get caught upin that portal opening yesterday
for 999?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
let me tell you, when I worked that event, there was
a ton of people.
I was booked the whole night.
People were coming back to back, to, back to back and pretty
much 90 of the people that cameto me had the birthdays of 999
or multiple nines in their birthdate.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, that was yesterday and I know people were
super powerful.
Yeah, they were doing all kindsof craziness.
I mean I took time for myselfto sit in my room to meditate,
but I mean I'm going to do thisand that People trying to
elaborate things.
I'm not knocking them.
I'm like, yeah, to me the most,the most powerful thing is the
most simplest to me.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Exactly, I don't.
I don't pay attention to theportals, like in August.
You know I'm a Leo, so it's theLionsgate portal.
Yes, I'm a Leo, yes, but Idon't get caught up in the
portals.
But there was something withthis particular portal yesterday
that, um, how do you sayprevailed over the readings.
(44:33):
Um, that I did yesterday and,like it, left people like in awe
(44:54):
when they left out of thatreading that's what's up and I
don't, I don't take, um, I don'ttake uh, I don't want to say
responsibility, I don't.
It's the spirits doing the work.
That's what I'm saying, that'swhat I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
That's what I like about that modesty.
I always tell people don't saythank you, man, it's the higher
power at work.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Because we don't operate with ego.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
We're with ego over here.
I'm not an ego.
I don't believe whether ego wasgood or bad.
I just don't want that in myvocabulary or near with my sight
.
I don't want that ego aroundperiod.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
It's a dangerous thing.
I understand that there'scertain occupations where you
know ego comes into play.
Like you know, I used to sell.
I have a multi.
I've sold millions of dollarsin real estate in New York City
brownstones, condos, co-ops andI was in real estate for, I
(46:01):
think, over close to 10 years,and so I think over close to 10
years.
And so you know you got to havea big head.
You got to.
You know you got to beaggressive, you got to be
assertive, you got to get dealsdone and you got to flex, and
when you flex there's egokicking in.
You know there's a time and aplace for that, but it's almost
(46:22):
like for that it was a show.
Okay, because I was dealing with, like, big brokers you know,
(46:53):
but when you deal in the worldof spirituality, that right
there you must be humble,especially if you are selected
to do spiritual work for people.
It's very important because ifthe ego precedes, if the ego
leads the person, then you, yougotta question whether is it
this person talking or is itreally the cards talking got you
(47:13):
, that's just.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
That's deep right there.
How often should should youread tarot for yourself as a
tarot reader?
How often?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
look'm going to say it this way Reading yourself
with tarot cards it helps withlearning the cards.
You know I get that, but youhave to be in the right space,
(47:49):
emotionally and psychologically,to process that information
that comes out in the cards.
Yeah, because these cards couldfall and they can hit you with
a real truth.
You could think yourrelationship is going fabulously
and then the cards startfalling out.
You get the three of swords,you get the 10 of swords, you
get the eight of swords, thenine of swords, and those are
all indicating heartbreak,treachery, all kinds of stuff.
(48:13):
And so at that point in time,when those cards fall out and
the devil card and the lover'scard reverse, all of those cards
are indicating in thatparticular reading that there's
some shit going down in yourlove life and it's not as
perfect as you think it is.
Someone could be stepping outand there could be a side guy or
(48:36):
side girl, a third partyinterference in the relationship
.
And are you ready to acceptthat and how are you going to
deal with that?
Speaker 1 (48:49):
okay, and if you're not?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
in the right go ahead no, go ahead, go ahead and if
you're not in the right state ofmind to understand what that
message is or interpret it, thenyou can take it the wrong way
and run with it.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Drive a muck.
Be going nuts out there right.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yes, and that's why, as a reader, if people are going
to be doing readings for others, you got to make sure that your
spiritual hygiene is on point,that you cleaned yourself, that
you prayed, you meditated beforeyou read that person, because
you don't want your stuff tointerfere with their stuff in
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their reading that's a fact thatdoes happen yes and we call
that like a shock.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
In french we call it back um shock, or retool mean
backlash.
That happened to me before.
When you're doing stuff forpeople, you're helping somebody.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Whatever is on them, that residue will come back to
somehow latch on to you.
Yes, and it's like to get ridof that, because people come
with a craziness theypsychological issues, they enter
demons, sometimes ancestraldemons.
Yeah, it latches on to you, thecraziness, they psychological
issues, they enter demonssometimes ancestral demons.
Yeah, it latches onto you thecraziness Cause you know there's
(50:11):
a lot of people that run tothis kind of things, that have
psychological issues too.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Well, you know I, I understand that because either
one they don't trust traditional, you know um therapy or
psychologists or psychiatristsor whatever that is.
And especially, you know I canunderstand, in communities of
color where there's just adistrust in general historically
(50:38):
with, you know, medicalpractitioners.
I get that Um, I can't, I getthat Um.
And then other people are justlike they're.
They need their, their spiritto be fed because they're so in
(51:00):
the earthly plane and thematerial plane that they feel
like they're a hunger forsomething spiritual.
And so that's when they come topeople readers to get spiritual
work done, to get spiritualreadings done, because that in a
part, in a sense, feeds theirsoul, feeds their spirit, even
if it's just for those moments,you know, and it could be kind
(51:22):
of an escape for other people aswell.
It can help them to visualizethrough fantasy or fantasy.
They can bring something thatwas in their mind into reality.
The spiritual readings can helpto materialize things for
(51:43):
people.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
You just took that question.
I was going to ask you that,can tarot be used to manifest or
set intentions?
And you just basically answeredit.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Isn't that crazy?
And so that lets you know likewe're on the same frequency
right now.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Can tarot predict the future or only possibilities?
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I would say yes, and so usually when I do the
readings, I preface the readings.
Even when I do my generalreadings online on YouTube, I
preface the reading like look,this reading can cover the
recent past, what's happeningnow or in the near future, and
the energies that result in thisreading can last for several
(52:33):
days, several weeks or severalmonths, depending on how fast or
slow the energy is travelingthrough the person's chart or
spiritual energy field.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
All right.
With that being said, how canthe people reach Ms Ayaba Swind?
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So you know, people can email me at Ayaba's
A-Y-A-B-A-S W Y N D nine ninenine, at gmailcom, or you can DM
me um at um I Yabba's wind.
The same thing, no apostrophe,um and uh.
(53:15):
Just put in a request um toaccess my, um, my IgE profile,
cause I have a private right now, um, and then I'll accept your
request and then we'll have aconversation.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
And, to be more detailed, when you go there, say
that you went.
You watched her on the NYPpodcast.
There you go, Brother Ron Peaceto Brother Ron.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
How are you?
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I just came to check in.
I just came to check in.
I had to get a hat like yours,right?
I just came to check in.
I just came to check in, I got.
I had to get a hat like yours,right?
I just came to check in.
Peace to everybody.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Are you guys the twins?
Yeah, Right With the hat right.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, you see, I got to fit it today, but you know
nice.
Yeah.
I just came to check in.
Thank you for coming out thisevening.
This guy man yeah, he came tocheck us out, definitely, but
I'm happy that you know peoplewould go out there and check you
(54:13):
out because you're dope.
I appreciate your work and yourtime and, with that being said,
before we get up out of here,man, miss ayaba, I want to
dedicate this for you, miss, uh,oh yeah, child right here,
right Oya yes, I'm adorable,yeah you know we gotta, if you
can hear that.
(54:37):
I hear a little bit like I gottaturn it up for you oh, I'm
familiar with her.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yes, for all my children of Oya out there.
You know, hit me up if you needany support, you have any
questions for all the viewers, Iam open.
You can check out my youtubechannel also at ayaba's wind.
I haven't posted recently, butmy playlists are very
(55:13):
interesting I love it.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, dj selector yes, I'm trying shout out to the,
shout out to the ephod, shoutout to Santeria Culture.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Shout out to the Apollo Mayombe, yes.
Shout out to the Lokomi people,yes.
Shout out to my Haitian Voodoopeople Shout out to Voodoo in
the continent.
Sakhbase, sakhbase, aibobo.
Shout out to the 21 Divisionpeople Aibobo, you know what I'm
saying?
Oh, I can't forget.
Shout out to the Sanse people.
Shout out to the Sanse people,anybody that you know the Sanse?
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Sanse.
The Paleros the Tatas, theYayas.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
The Babaloshas, the Ialoshas, the Aleos that are
coming up.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
They're working their way to you.
Know getting Santo.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Who else who?
Speaker 1 (56:03):
else is out there.
Peace of the gods and earth.
The Akan people Huh, yeah, Isay peace of the gods and earth.
People huh, yeah, I say peaceof the gods and earth.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Shout out to the morris signs temples, yes, and
the why my people?
Yeah, I love it.
Yes, yeah, who?
I believe you shot somebody out.
You said the um econ, the econpeople, yeah, the econ.
They practice um in their ownway as well.
So like I don't know all thespecifics of them, but I want to
give them a shout because Iknow that they're they.
They do exist out there.
I know there's a community, alarge community, in brooklyn and
definitely all right, then,with that being said, yeah peace
(56:40):
to my listeners, my followers.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Don't forget to like, share, like, share, subscribe.
We got super chats.
Spread the word nyp.
We here.
We love y'all ayaba.
I appreciate you, my sister,for coming out.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Peace and love we're gonna do the live next time,
right?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
oh, definitely we gotta do a live.
Yo y'all gonna ask questions,you know.
You know I'm saying she's gonnaset y'all straight, peace and
love, and we peace, and lovepeace, ciao bye.
peace world.
How you doing world.
It's your brother, mikey Viva.
Another episode of NYP TalkShow, setting the mood, setting
the vibes right.
We about to get into it.
We got our dear guest sister.
So many titles you have.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Healer Okay, okay, I like that divinator high priest,
yeah, a little bit of that alittle bit of that tarot reader.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Spiritualist, miss Ayabas, how you doing, beloved?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
hi, hi everyone, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
oh you know they'll definitely.
They'll definitely be cheeringyou on, because your last show
got some numbers they loved itokay great comments.
People like what you weresaying.
We've received mail about it aswell.
To bring you back.
We got to bring you, definitelyfor a live one, so we can have
them interact more with you, toget to know, you know, get a
feel of who you are.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, I love that.
We can definitely do a live andyou know I welcome the
questions, no problem.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, definitely, and tonight we'll be talking about
divination through tarot.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, great.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
First and foremost, how you doing.
I'm great.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
First and foremost, how are you doing?
I'm great.
You know it's been a crazy weekand I'm not sure if it's like
the eclipse having to doanything with it.
But yeah, and I'm just comingoff of doing a big event.
It's called Oracle Acts.
It's called Oracle Acts it's apsychic event that happens once
(02:05):
a month at Barrow's Tasting Room, and so there's a collection of
(02:26):
psychics, tarot readers,spiritualists that come and you
know we're open for thecommunity to come in and you
know know get.
They could get one reading,they could get multiple readings
.
You know it's up to you, butit's really a night of um
psychic phenomena.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful and yeah dotell more about that and
throughout the show was so thatyou know when okay great place
again.
People could come out and checkyou out no, definitely you know
she's on point.
I'm not gonna lie to you, man,she's on point, you know.
So the first question we havehere we're gonna get into the
basics of tarot, right?
What is tarot divination?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
um.
So for me, you know, peoplewill have their own perspective
in their own experiences withtarot, and so I don't think
there's any right or any wronganswer, but for me, it's a tool
that's used to tap into spirit,um and to generate a
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conversation um around theperson that um that I'm reading,
and so it can sparkconversation based on the cards
that come out, both Tarot andOracle, cause there's two
different sets of cards.
(03:40):
All right, and Oracle, oracletells a story, all right, and
Oracle, can you break it down?
Oracle tells a story and you canhave Oracle cards as it relates
to love and relationships, asit relates to past lives, as it
relates to shadow work, as itrelates to astrology.
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There's so many different setsof oracle cards as it relates to
self-care, but then tarot ispretty much a fundamental,
classic standard of cards.
You'll have your pentacles, orcoins, coins, you'll have your
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hearts, or your cups, um, you'llhave your swords, um, um, or
your um, the fates, or you'llhave the wands, uh, which are
the clubs, okay, and if you lookat playing cards, because you
know people have been doingreading tarot through playing
cards if they weren't able toget tarot cards, they look at
playing cards because peoplehave been reading tarot through
playing cards.
If they weren't able to gettarot cards, they would get
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playing cards, and so each cardwithin the tarot deck has a
certain meaning.
So it is up to the tarot readerto either use a classic
historical meaning for that cardand read that way, and or they
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can read the pictures which cankind of stimulate a conversation
that way.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So there's so many different ways to read tarot.
So, like with the spreads,right, I'm glad you broke that
down.
With the spreads, I have seenspreads where people do a spread
of three or four, right, um,can you elaborate with what that
means?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
so you know, I believe, and other readers may
not believe, but that's okay.
I believe the spreads bringorder to the cards.
That could be kind of chaotic,Okay, Because you're dealing
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with lots of cards in a deck,Because you're dealing with lots
of cards in a deck and so ifyou're just pulling out cards
and just throwing themeverywhere, there's no order.
And so for people who are alittle like OCD or type A
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personality, you know thedifferent spreads lend itself to
having an order to the reading.
So you know you may havesomeone that has a certain
number of cards that representthe past, a certain number of
cards that represent the presentand a certain number of cards
in a certain configurationacross or whatever it is fanned
out, that represent the future,and then you may have a card
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that represents the client, theperson that's being read, and
then a card that may representthe person that the client is
coming to talk about.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
All right.
So you're talking about, interms of using which deck the
Oracle, tarot or playing cards?
Right, I'm talking about theTarot deck.
Deck the Oracle, tarot orplaying cards?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm talking about the Tarot deck.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Oh, the Tarot deck, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, and so yeah the Tar by utilizing different
spreads to tell certain stories.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Perfect.
So that's a perfect segue tothis question right here.
So can anyone learn tarot, oris it only for those with
psychic abilities, or is it onlyfor those with psychic
abilities.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Anyone can learn tarot, but in my experience you
can't force it.
There has to be somethingwithin you that compels you to
want to get a deck and take timeout to learn the deck and learn
the meanings and meanings andbecome familiar with it.
(08:06):
And so I was never like mymother would read tarot.
She read I Ching, amongst otherthings and so I really didn't
have an interest in tarot untilI hit probably my 40s At my
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early 40s, and that's when I wasjust like, oh, okay.
But before then I was just like, yeah, whatever, I could have
cared less about tarot and I hadcards and people gifted me
cards, but honestly, my spiritwas not drawn to the cards.
It could have been the mostexpensive deck ever, but my
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spirit was not drawn to pickingup those cards and learning the
meanings Really.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Intuition why was that?
But my spirit was not drawn topicking up those cards and
learning the meanings.
Really Intuition.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Why was that?
I just, you know, maybe Iwasn't like mentally,
spiritually, emotionally readyto handle what comes with the
cards, what comes with the cards, because these cards become,
they can become like a livingthing, like an entity almost.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Really.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And so you know, and it's a practice that it's a
fairly ancient practice, okay,or it's based on ancient things,
and so I think, yeah, you can'tforce it, you can't force it.
And so I wasn't really promptedto learning tarot until I had a
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breakup with someone.
A breakup with someone, um, andthe tarot helped me to
understand what was happeningwithin that particular
short-lived relationship, and sothat's really what prompted my
interest.
It helped me to like break down, dissect what was actually
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happening.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Wow, so you say, the tarot, the card, the deck became
, you know, took a life of itsown how does that happen?
How does that happen?
It?
Does it mean that the personwho has the deck must bond with?
It and like purify it a certainways.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know how's it consecrated yeah, I mean, you
know there's, there's so manydifferent like little um rituals
that people do.
Some people, when they gettheir cards, they sleep with the
cards under their pillow.
Some people put it in a special, you know, velvet sack and then
they put crystals on it, youknow.
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Or they surround the deck withall these crystals.
And I'm not minima, I'm notminimalizing that Um.
It's that you have to do whatyou need to do, what works for
you and your spirit team.
For me, I don't do all thatteam for me.
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I don't do all that.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You know, my my thing is is that I do the readings in
accordance with the ancestorsand with the person's spiritual
entourage got you that's akatheir spirit team and that's
done to give this for them to umpermit you access in today, or
yes, I, I do it with respect tothe ancestors.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm a daughter of oya , um, or ya is the mother of the
egg on the ancestors, thosepeople who are in the, the, uh,
the ancestor realm, and so Iabsolutely cannot bypass them.
I will not make light of them.
I don't play, I don't joke, Idon't smoke weed, I don't take
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any kind of you know, drugs ordrink.
You know, um, you know drugs ordrink.
You know, because for me, Ineed to be as clear and as clean
as possible when I do readingsfor people.
But other people, they connectwith spirit through smoking weed
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, you know, or through a littlealcohol or through, you know,
smoking a cigar.
I could, you know, I couldsmoke a cigar and get into it,
but that taps in to a totallydifferent energy.
And usually when I do readingsit's either at a shop, at an
event, um, at a party, um and uhthere's no time for unless it's
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like a super private readingand I, you know, we have a thing
and you know, I get into itthat way because the cigar,
smoke and the alcohol start toconjure other energies, um, and
I think that's appropriate forother spiritual things, but when
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I do spiritual readings.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Nah, it's all about the cards and connecting to
spirit, and for me, the purestway possible okay, I respect
that uh I got you, everyone hasthe rhythm of doing things yeah
sure all right, so we're goingto stick on more of the basics,
but then I'm going to go into,you know, more in-depth
questions.
Okay, what are the major akanaand minor akana?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So the major arcana are the picture cards, the sun,
the magician, the death card,you know, those are all the
cards.
And then the minor cards haveto do with, like, the eight of
wands or the seven of cups Okay,the seven of cups Okay.
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And so the major arcanaindicate major events, major
changes, major aspects of theperson's life, while for me the
minor arcana represents, like,the little details, the little
nuances, the eccentricities.
(14:39):
Little details, the littlespecifics, and when I say little
I don't mean to like minimalizewhat's happening in the
person's life, but it's allthese little things that create
a bigger picture.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
A bigger picture, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
All right.
So the details that we tend tooverlook that result into this
taking place.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Present future.
Okay, that's very deep man.
I like that Mm-hmm.
So, with the methods andpractices of tarot, if I'm
saying correct tarot or tarot,however they put it, you know,
no one disrespect.
What are the?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
most common tarot spreads.
I would say it's the Celticcross, that's the major one and
then they'll, they'll do the fanout one.
But I noticed, and I'm a partof a huge tarot community on
YouTube- Okay.
(15:40):
And the community is like hugeand so a lot of the readers
don't really use those spreads.
Some of them do and I thinkthey'll use those spreads.
And I think they'll use thosespreads more so for private
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readings.
Okay, because if you go on toYouTube in the tarot community,
a lot of those readers are doinggeneral readings or pick a card
.
So that's another spread, likepick a card, you know you'll,
they'll lay out the cards likein three piles, or they'll lay
out three cards and they'll havepeople.
You know you'll, they'll lay outthe cards like in three piles,
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yeah, or they'll lay out threecards and they'll have people
you know their um, theiraudience pick a card and so
they'll go through each card andexplain the meaning, what's
happening with that particularcard.
If that person picked the card,then they kind of get their
answer to what was happeningwith them on their end.
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But you know a lot of thereaders, they will pull the
cards out.
They'll pull the cards andthey'll just start telling a
story.
It's like narrating a storybased on what they see Okay,
it's like narrating a storybased on what they see Okay, and
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it's either through themeanings of the cards or it's
their spirit talking like well,you know, because I see this
spirit is saying that this, thisand this is happening and
because of this, then you needto do this.
You know this person has athird party that's interfering
with the relationship and that'swhy there's a three of swords.
There's heartbreak, there'scheating, there's you know, um,
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you know distrust, you know Umand so um.
So people will read the cardsthrough pulling the cards
manually.
I don't do that.
I, like I said, I tap into theancestors, I tap into the
person's spirit team andwhatever cards fly out the deck.
That is the spirit pulling thecards out the deck.
And you will actually see, likeI've actually had clients be
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like an amazement with the forceof the cards flying out the
deck, like you can actually like.
The energy and the presence ofthe person's ancestors and
spirit team is palpable, likeyou can feel it, okay, almost to
the point where you getgoosebumps, when you feel the
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energy, like the electricity ofthe cards jumping out of the
deck.
Yeah, with the force of jumpingout of the deck yeah.
With the force of it jumping outthe deck.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Wow, sorry about that , but that's deep.
I have seen that done beforeand I'm like that always amazes
me.
I'm like it's like someone wasthere, like they just slapped
the reader's hand.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yes.
Yeah, I have seen that yes, Ithought I was, and that is that.
That's what you can wit.
You witness, you actuallywitness that phenomena.
It's crazy got you.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
So how do you choose which spread to use for reading?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
oh, good question.
So I have a number of differentdecks.
I have a Marchetti deck, um,and then I have this other deck
it's a more modern deck rightnow I can't recall the name, but
the colors are absolutelybeautiful, stunning.
The images are stunning, um,and so they have so many
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varieties of the tarot deck, andso you know, some images are
much more abstract, and thenthere are images that are very
classic, traditional tarot likethat are kind of steeped in that
, like kind of a eitherVictorian period, you know very
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early on, and so, uh, you knowit.
It all has to speak to yourspirit and to your personality,
but also to what it is you'refeeling for the client.
So I may not read the same deckfor the for each client.
It'll just be a different, likea hodgepodge of things, but
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very strategic and verycalculated with which cards I go
to okay, I got that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So say, a client comes in and be like, hey, miss
ayahuas, I'd like to get areading any um, depending on
what you feel in that personwith a spiritual team you ask
for permission, does do this?
Do their spiritual teamcommunicate with you?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
and you'd be like, I'm gonna pick, I'm gonna use
this card for you yeah, yeah, Imean there's certain people that
come in and after I say theprayers, like you can feel like
the static electricity, it'slike you're, you feel your crown
vibrating.
The other other person isgetting goosebumps, you know.
And so then, like it's like,it's like spirit directs you to
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the deck.
I have my decks, like laid out,and so you know the spirit will
direct my eyes to a particulardeck and then we'll start with
that deck and then we'll workour way around.
So if the person wants to focuson love, or there's love issues
or breakups and things likethat, I have a ton of decks,
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both Tarot and Oracle, that willfocus on that as far as the
content, the images, themeanings of the cards.
And then there's other peoplethat want to talk about work,
and then there's other peoplethat want to talk about work,
and then there's people that aretalking about, you know, past
lives and shadow work and all ofthat.
(21:27):
So you know it just depends onthe person coming in, what their
energy is, what it is that theyneed.
There are some people that arejust like, look, I don't really
know where to start.
Let's just start with a generaland let's kind of comb through
it and see what we get, and sothey can start general.
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And then all of a sudden stuffstarts popping up about you know
there's a connection betweenthem and their ancestors in
Ireland, or them and theirancestors in the Caribbean.
And then you know there's allthese other things that pop up
that may be in the cards.
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But then you know intuition,you know, taps in, and then
things start to like unravel andgo into a place Like you
wouldn't even imagine that thereading would have gone to.
And some people leave thereading in shock.
They're just like, oh my God,like I came here for one reading
(22:32):
, for you know, with one umthing in mind, but the spirit
team takes them on anotherjourney, on another path that
they never thought they would goon.
Wow, so it's exciting.
It's exciting Um, a littlescary Um, but it's a very
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interesting journey.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah Right, you know what?
For those who don't know, youneed to go check her out,
because everything she's sayingI know it's like wild blowing
your mind, but she's she'sreally incredible with her work.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I've seen, thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And she's on.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
So the question I have right here is All right.
Is it important who touches thecards during the reading?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
important who touches the cards during the reading.
Okay, you know what?
Um, there are certain decksthat are really only for me all
right and I have.
I have a lot of decks that Icreated because spirit and the
ancestors led me to create theseparticular decks and these are
Oracle decks and so those decksare very important to me and so
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generally people don't touchthem and I don't really have
people touching them, but the,the tarot decks and the ones
that are store bought, I don't.
I don't have a issue with that.
You know, um, I do cleanse thearea.
You know I cleanse the table,um, before I start reading.
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I will be cleansing throughoutthe readings between each um
client, um and the cards.
Also, you know experience thecleansings for me.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I cleanse the decks through shuffling yeah, is there
a particular way of shufflingum the cards?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
it must be shuffled I shuffle pretty much what they
do in the casinos.
So my shuffling is I shufflefast, I'm saying prayers as I'm
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shuffling because I'm I'mcleansing the deck of the energy
of the person that I readbefore, but then I'm also
inviting the energy of theperson that I'm reading that's
in front of me currently.
So you can use Florida water tocleanse your desk, your deck.
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You can use cascarilla, whichis the powdered eggshell, to
cleanse your deck.
To cleanse your deck, um, youknow, some people will smoke it
with sage or Palo or Palo Santo,um, you know those kinds of
with crystals, whatever it isthat works for them.
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I'm not knocking anybody intheir practices and I don't like
when people come on, you know,to different platforms and they
start, you know, speaking badlyabout other readers and what
they do and their practices andthey shouldn't read the card
this way, because the card meansthis yes, there are standard
meanings, but you know, readersread the cards intuitively and
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some people just lay the cardsout and they don't even use the
cards.
The cards are used as aphysical action and, in a way, a
spiritual action to tap in thespirit.
And then some people just like,go off, you know, off of what
the spirit is telling them intheir head.
Because they're clairsentient,they're clairaudient, they're
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clairvoyant.
You know whatever it is theirspecial clairaudient, they're
clairvoyant.
You know whatever it is theirspecial.
Claire is they start going atit that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yes, you're so detailed and I'm glad how you
speak and you don't come on hereas an authoritative figure.
Yeah, you speak as apractitioner from your
perspective and what you havelearned and studied, and I like
that there's no ego with you,which is dope.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And, like I said in previous podcasts and videos
that I've done with you, I standby that when there is ego,
there is no spirit.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh, my God, you know what.
Hold on, hold on.
We got to give you.
We got to Hold on, we got togive you this and we got to give
you this right here.
We got to give you this.
What you said was so truebecause you know there are a lot
of people that you know.
I say people here, here I go.
There are a lot of people outthere that do act like
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authoritative figures and theytry to say this is the way we do
it, this is the way we stand onit.
Listen, there's more than oneway to skin the cat.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And we can all view one picture and have different
perspectives.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Light to you light, yes.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, work for you may not work for me, and, at the
end of the day, I'm not here tobash you or take you down, as
long as you're not out herescamming people yes, it's all
good, because you know there area lot of scammers out there
like exactly you know, I beingthat you make your own deck
tarot deck right, I was thinkingabout that facetiously joking
in my head.
Like you know why, I'm gonnaget me some Pokemon cards.
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Look, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean, look, if you love Pokemon and Pokemon is your
shit like you, that's yourthing, and you see a.
Pokemon.
You see a Pikachu and thePikachu tells you that this
person is going to win thejackpot or going to break up
with their boyfriend orgirlfriend.
Look, I'm all for it If thatworks for you.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
At least I'll mess it around before they think I'm
losing my mind.
That's dope.
So I have this other question Ihave like.
Should you ask yes or noquestions with tarot?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, some people have tools within the tarot that
certain cards mean a yes, like,I would venture to say like if
they get the sun.
Of course the sun means yes,you know, but if they get the
devil, I would venture to saythat if the person you know asks
a yes or no question and thedevil pops up, it would be
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literally hell, no.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Got you.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
But I, I um, you know , I incorporate other things.
You know I can do the shells Um, and I have other tools where I
ask yes or no questions.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh, with the other, with the other, with the other
tools, so with the other thingsthat I have.
Yes so can you just brieflytouch on those other things that
you use for divination?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
um, it could be coins , shells, um and uh, you know, I
have a god brother of mine.
He's an.
He's been a priest for like 14years, but he's a hoodoo man
from Savannah Georgia.
Um, he is, uh, you know, um, umtraining me on how to read
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bones chicken bones chickenbones.
Yep, yeah, because you know he'sfrom the South and you know,
you know a lot of the rootworkers and hoodoo workers.
Um, you know they made theirown little divination tools from
chicken bones.
And like you know odds and endpieces, like you know a die dice
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or a piece of metal or a coinor a key, or you know what I'm
saying.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Coffee.
I seen it done with people.
My family's a cup of coffee.
Like the grains in the bottomof the cup of coffee, they use
that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, a cup of coffee .
You know, there's all.
There's so many differentmethods, like I know, like in
one of the events that I was at,there's a chick that reads beer
foam, the foam of the beer.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I heard I heard people spoke, had spoken about
that the beer foam.
Like they, you foam, they lookat how it foams up and how it
cascades.
I'm like that's deep, that'sdeep right there.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And I think this lady she is from.
I believe she's Ukrainian orRussian.
She's either Ukrainian orRussian, and so that's her deal.
She does that.
I don't know how good she is,but there's people that go to
her.
There's another woman, I knowwho.
She reads your purse and oryour wallet.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Really.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
She goes through people's purses and starts
pulling out stuff of theirpurses and starts reading them
through reading the things intheir purse.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Wow, wow wow, that's.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's crazy right yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's sound like some like fbi tactic.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
They like yeah for me , like you know, I'm not doing
that, but look, people getcreative.
You know, I guess they getbored and it's like you know and
that's why, like for myreadings, I and I do a mix
between oracle and tarot,because sometimes just doing
tarot, tarot, tarot can beboring.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
So I like the oracle, because the oracle fills in the
gaps, it makes the story ofthis person richer.
You know, vivid, more vivid,okay, but it also, again, it
prompts a deeper conversationwith the person and with the
person's spirit.
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Team.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So with the interpretation of that right.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
How does astrology relate to tarot?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Um, in some cases it does, in some cases it doesn't.
So, uh, you know, when you getcups in the traditional tarot,
the cups represent water, andwhat are the water signs in
astrology?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
yeah, I have the water cancer scorpio pisces
scorpio Pisces.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So there is some connection there, you know, if
you want to, you know, becausesome people, clients come when
they get readings.
They want to know, well, who'sinvolved in this, who's the next
man coming, who's the nextwoman coming in my life?
You know my divine masculine ormy divine feminine?
Are they going to be like?
Are they going to be Scorpio?
Are they going to be like?
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Are they going to be a Scorpio?
Are they going to be a Leo?
And so you know.
Sometimes.
You know, though, that thosetidbits of information are
important for the person, and soyou can, you know, incorporate
astrology in that.
But astrology in and of itself,that right there it's, it's
really of itself, that rightthere it's, it's really, it's
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really an intricate, complexscience.
Um, and I give respect to those, people who do astrology.
um, but you know, and I'll, I'llincorporate a little bit of
astrology, but, like my deal isconnecting with the ancestors,
you know what I'm saying?
Reading the stars and theconfigurations, like you know,
ryan, and this, like that's notmy deal.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And they don't birth chart what you birth chart at
the time you were born and youknow.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Angel walks with you.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, look, I'm not into that.
What phase of the moon?
You know certain aspects of themoon?
Yeah, that's, I can deal withthat.
But, like all this conjunctingand you know, it takes a special
person who has an affinity withthat particular um spiritual
science to study and getinvolved in.
(34:20):
And I know some people that arevery, very good.
There's this one um um oneHaitian chick that I know and
she's nice with it.
She's in Crown Heights and herreadings are like deep and so
and I think she may charge like$200 or $300 for, uh, an
(34:45):
astrology reading, like a full,like comprehensive uh layout,
but that's, that's not my deal.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I don't, I don't do that I know about those
astrology readings shout out toyou know I ain't gonna say my
brother name, but he have donethose and they are very deep,
like you know.
It taps into you know, like yousaid, the configuration, the
constellation, yes, involvessome kabbalah oh yeah, 72 angels
.
which archangel you know wasborn?
(35:14):
Which archangel was present atthe time you were born?
Okay, no, and it was so deep toa point, I even went out there
and I, uh, purchased this book,because I'm always showing books
on here and these are things.
I study it was this book righthere.
I don't know if they can see it.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
What's the title of the book?
What is it?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
The Science of the Kabbalah by Lazer, and it goes
deep.
It's about the 72 archangelsand the hour and time you were
born.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You know every hour has a particular angel.
For that hour minutes it playsa major part the month you were
born, even down to the day.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
You know.
So it's pretty deep.
It's pretty deep and I was likecurious, I wanted to inquire
more about that.
So I went out there and gotthat book.
Okay, yeah, for those who wantto go check it out.
Um, how do you know if a card'smeaning is literal or symbolic?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
um, I think it's just tied into the conversation, you
know.
Um, so if I get the sun card,for one client the sun could be
new beginnings and usually withthat traditional card they
usually show like a toddler or ayoung infant riding on top of a
horse and then the sun is inthe background.
(36:40):
But for another person who I'vehad the conversation with about
pregnancy and fertility thatcame up in the Oracle cards, and
then she gets the sun card andthen informs me that, oh, okay,
like a baby comes soon, thebaby's coming soon, you know a
pregnancy, a birth announcement,you know, and so it's just,
(37:03):
it's situational.
Got you, got you you all right,I like that and no two readings
are the same.
No, no two readings are thesame.
Like every reading.
It's like it is a um, a specialprescription.
Uh, it's tailored.
(37:24):
It's like you know.
You know how people like men goto get their like suits fitted
and tailored, and if it's everymuscle, every curve, every angle
, you know what I'm saying.
So, just like that happens withthe, the readings, both oracle
and tarot, like everything istailored especially for that
(37:44):
person.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Got you, got you.
All right, we'll go more intothe dimensions of it, like the
spiritual and psychologicaldimensions of this Tarot reading
.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Can Tarot reveal past lives or karmic patterns?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Tarot can reveal past lives and karmic patterns.
I don't particularly work withpast life things, but there have
been moments in the readingwhere spirit prompts me to be
like, look, this is a karmicpartner, this is someone from
your past life that you'rereconnecting with.
(38:22):
You're reconnecting with, okay,um, and there are people that
special, specialize in past life, um and shadow work and all of
those things, um, um.
But it just depends on, like Isaid, the energy that the person
is reading with and there's acertain combination of cards
that could come out.
(38:42):
Um, that could talk about that.
Like the six of cups usuallytalks about someone coming in
from the past, either someonethat you knew in the recent past
or in the last 10 or 20 years,or childhood friend, or
sometimes the six of cups canmean that this person is from
(39:04):
your past, like past life, butit depends on the other cards
that come around it as towhether you, you know you go
that far back got you I like.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
That being that, you mentioned shadow work right, can
tar specific decks that areshadow work?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
decks that are much better, got you Okay for that
kind of work.
I had thought about doingshadow work and look, I got a
(39:40):
shadow deck and I was reallylike looking at the deck,
studying each card, you know,trying to like get in tune with
the deck.
But my spirit team, myancestors, my spiritual court,
was like no, no and hell no.
So, yeah, because when you doshadow work, you know, know it
(40:06):
can go real deep and real darkand some people are built for
that.
Because once, once you go intosomeone and you help, you help
them to excavate this and that'sthe word I want to use exca,
excavate and do like anarchaeological dig of what is
(40:29):
happening in.
You know, deep in their soul,deep in their spirit, what is
motivating them, what is, youknow, prompting them to behave
this way, to act this way, towire these outcomes happening in
this person's life.
It can go so deep that it canget very sinister and very dark.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Really.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
You might unearth something deep within a demonic
voice.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yes, and let me tell you there are certain tarot
decks.
I think Aleister Crow Crowleythere is.
You know about that person,right?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
That dude.
I had a few of his books.
That dude was serious.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh, yes, and we like in the shop that I work at,
there's a lot of material on him.
There's some tarot decks andsomeone had gotten me a deck one
of his decks and you know itlooks like very artistic and you
know some abstract kind ofimages.
(41:40):
But I looked at it and Istarted like looking through
each card and as I lookedthrough each card, there was
like this dark feeling that Istarted to feel and I was just
like yeah, no, and I politelygave that deck to somebody who
(42:00):
wanted it.
You can do it, yeah, no, no, I'mnot.
I'm not built for that, I know.
But there's, there's people.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I'm not knocking it because we have people coming
into the shop like on the huntin the search for this man's
material books, tarot cards andall that he was something else,
like the dude was reallyprofound, like dedicated to what
he was um on a quest for, likehe traveled for this he invested
money, his time, but it was hisintentions that were were off
(42:34):
to me like the deviant behavioryeah, I'm not knocking it like I
, you know, I'm not knockinglike his his passion for what he
was doing, yeah, but there wasalso something else, that was
like propelling him to go theroute he went.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And so, again, like sometimes people are driven by
darker forces, by darkerentities that could be possibly
ancestors, that that could bespirit guides, possibly, or
spirits that you picked up alongthe way because you were
dabbling in something that lentitself to those spirits.
(43:17):
Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
It wasn't meant for him.
He opened too many doors.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Being that we're speaking about opening doors and
portals, did you get caught upin that portal opening yesterday
for 999?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
let me tell you, when I worked that event, there was
a ton of people.
I was booked the whole night.
People were coming back to back, to, back to back and pretty
much 90 of the people that cameto me had the birthdays of 999
or multiple nines in their birthdate.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, that was yesterday and I know people were
super powerful.
Yeah, they were doing all kindsof craziness.
I mean I took time for myselfto sit in my room to meditate,
but I mean I'm going to do thisand that People trying to
elaborate things.
I'm not knocking them.
I'm like, yeah, to me the most,the most powerful thing is the
most simplest to me.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Exactly, I don't.
I don't pay attention to theportals, like in August.
You know I'm a Leo, so it's theLionsgate portal.
Yes, I'm a Leo, yes, but Idon't get caught up in the
portals.
But there was something withthis particular portal yesterday
that, um, how do you sayprevailed over the readings.
(44:33):
Um, that I did yesterday and,like it, left people like in awe
(44:54):
when they left out of thatreading that's what's up and I
don't, I don't take, um, I don'ttake uh, I don't want to say
responsibility, I don't.
It's the spirits doing the work.
That's what I'm saying, that'swhat I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
That's what I like about that modesty.
I always tell people don't saythank you, man, it's the higher
power at work.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Because we don't operate with ego.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
We're with ego over here.
I'm not an ego.
I don't believe whether ego wasgood or bad.
I just don't want that in myvocabulary or near with my sight
.
I don't want that ego aroundperiod.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
It's a dangerous thing.
I understand that there'scertain occupations where you
know ego comes into play.
Like you know, I used to sell.
I have a multi.
I've sold millions of dollarsin real estate in New York City
brownstones, condos, co-ops andI was in real estate for, I
(46:01):
think, over close to 10 years,and so I think over close to 10
years.
And so you know you got to havea big head.
You got to.
You know you got to beaggressive, you got to be
assertive, you got to get dealsdone and you got to flex, and
when you flex there's egokicking in.
You know there's a time and aplace for that, but it's almost
(46:22):
like for that it was a show.
Okay, because I was dealing with, like, big brokers you know,
(46:53):
but when you deal in the worldof spirituality, that right
there you must be humble,especially if you are selected
to do spiritual work for people.
It's very important because ifthe ego precedes, if the ego
leads the person, then you, yougotta question whether is it
this person talking or is itreally the cards talking got you
(47:13):
, that's just.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
That's deep right there.
How often should should youread tarot for yourself as a
tarot reader?
How often?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
look'm going to say it this way Reading yourself
with tarot cards it helps withlearning the cards.
You know I get that, but youhave to be in the right space,
(47:49):
emotionally and psychologically,to process that information
that comes out in the cards.
Yeah, because these cards couldfall and they can hit you with
a real truth.
You could think yourrelationship is going fabulously
and then the cards startfalling out.
You get the three of swords,you get the 10 of swords, you
get the eight of swords, thenine of swords, and those are
all indicating heartbreak,treachery, all kinds of stuff.
(48:13):
And so at that point in time,when those cards fall out and
the devil card and the lover'scard reverse, all of those cards
are indicating in thatparticular reading that there's
some shit going down in yourlove life and it's not as
perfect as you think it is.
Someone could be stepping outand there could be a side guy or
(48:36):
side girl, a third partyinterference in the relationship
.
And are you ready to acceptthat and how are you going to
deal with that?
Speaker 1 (48:49):
okay, and if you're not?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
in the right go ahead no, go ahead, go ahead and if
you're not in the right state ofmind to understand what that
message is or interpret it, thenyou can take it the wrong way
and run with it.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Drive a muck.
Be going nuts out there right.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yes, and that's why, as a reader, if people are going
to be doing readings for others, you got to make sure that your
spiritual hygiene is on point,that you cleaned yourself, that
you prayed, you meditated beforeyou read that person, because
you don't want your stuff tointerfere with their stuff in
(49:33):
their reading that's a fact thatdoes happen yes and we call
that like a shock.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
In french we call it back um shock, or retool mean
backlash.
That happened to me before.
When you're doing stuff forpeople, you're helping somebody.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Whatever is on them, that residue will come back to
somehow latch on to you.
Yes, and it's like to get ridof that, because people come
with a craziness theypsychological issues, they enter
demons, sometimes ancestraldemons.
Yeah, it latches on to you, thecraziness, they psychological
issues, they enter demonssometimes ancestral demons.
Yeah, it latches onto you thecraziness Cause you know there's
(50:11):
a lot of people that run tothis kind of things, that have
psychological issues too.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Well, you know I, I understand that because either
one they don't trust traditional, you know um therapy or
psychologists or psychiatristsor whatever that is.
And especially, you know I canunderstand, in communities of
color where there's just adistrust in general historically
(50:38):
with, you know, medicalpractitioners.
I get that Um, I can't, I getthat Um.
And then other people are justlike they're.
They need their, their spiritto be fed because they're so in
(51:00):
the earthly plane and thematerial plane that they feel
like they're a hunger forsomething spiritual.
And so that's when they come topeople readers to get spiritual
work done, to get spiritualreadings done, because that in a
part, in a sense, feeds theirsoul, feeds their spirit, even
if it's just for those moments,you know, and it could be kind
(51:22):
of an escape for other people aswell.
It can help them to visualizethrough fantasy or fantasy.
They can bring something thatwas in their mind into reality.
The spiritual readings can helpto materialize things for
(51:43):
people.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
You just took that question.
I was going to ask you that,can tarot be used to manifest or
set intentions?
And you just basically answeredit.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Isn't that crazy?
And so that lets you know likewe're on the same frequency
right now.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Can tarot predict the future or only possibilities?
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I would say yes, and so usually when I do the
readings, I preface the readings.
Even when I do my generalreadings online on YouTube, I
preface the reading like look,this reading can cover the
recent past, what's happeningnow or in the near future, and
the energies that result in thisreading can last for several
(52:33):
days, several weeks or severalmonths, depending on how fast or
slow the energy is travelingthrough the person's chart or
spiritual energy field.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
All right.
With that being said, how canthe people reach Ms Ayaba Swind?
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So you know, people can email me at Ayaba's
A-Y-A-B-A-S W Y N D nine ninenine, at gmailcom, or you can DM
me um at um I Yabba's wind.
The same thing, no apostrophe,um and uh.
(53:15):
Just put in a request um toaccess my, um, my IgE profile,
cause I have a private right now, um, and then I'll accept your
request and then we'll have aconversation.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
And, to be more detailed, when you go there, say
that you went.
You watched her on the NYPpodcast.
There you go, Brother Ron Peaceto Brother Ron.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
How are you?
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I just came to check in.
I just came to check in.
I had to get a hat like yours,right?
I just came to check in.
I just came to check in, I got.
I had to get a hat like yours,right?
I just came to check in.
Peace to everybody.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Are you guys the twins?
Yeah, Right With the hat right.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, you see, I got to fit it today, but you know
nice.
Yeah.
I just came to check in.
Thank you for coming out thisevening.
This guy man yeah, he came tocheck us out, definitely, but
I'm happy that you know peoplewould go out there and check you
(54:13):
out because you're dope.
I appreciate your work and yourtime and, with that being said,
before we get up out of here,man, miss ayaba, I want to
dedicate this for you, miss, uh,oh yeah, child right here,
right Oya yes, I'm adorable,yeah you know we gotta, if you
can hear that.
(54:37):
I hear a little bit like I gottaturn it up for you oh, I'm
familiar with her.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yes, for all my children of Oya out there.
You know, hit me up if you needany support, you have any
questions for all the viewers, Iam open.
You can check out my youtubechannel also at ayaba's wind.
I haven't posted recently, butmy playlists are very
(55:13):
interesting I love it.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, dj selector yes, I'm trying shout out to the,
shout out to the ephod, shoutout to Santeria Culture.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Shout out to the Apollo Mayombe, yes.
Shout out to the Lokomi people,yes.
Shout out to my Haitian Voodoopeople Shout out to Voodoo in
the continent.
Sakhbase, sakhbase, aibobo.
Shout out to the 21 Divisionpeople Aibobo, you know what I'm
saying?
Oh, I can't forget.
Shout out to the Sanse people.
Shout out to the Sanse people,anybody that you know the Sanse?
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Sanse.
The Paleros the Tatas, theYayas.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
The Babaloshas, the Ialoshas, the Aleos that are
coming up.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
They're working their way to you.
Know getting Santo.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Who else who?
Speaker 1 (56:03):
else is out there.
Peace of the gods and earth.
The Akan people Huh, yeah, Isay peace of the gods and earth.
People huh, yeah, I say peaceof the gods and earth.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Shout out to the morris signs temples, yes, and
the why my people?
Yeah, I love it.
Yes, yeah, who?
I believe you shot somebody out.
You said the um econ, the econpeople, yeah, the econ.
They practice um in their ownway as well.
So like I don't know all thespecifics of them, but I want to
give them a shout because Iknow that they're they.
They do exist out there.
I know there's a community, alarge community, in brooklyn and
definitely all right, then,with that being said, yeah peace
(56:40):
to my listeners, my followers.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Don't forget to like, share, like, share, subscribe.
We got super chats.
Spread the word nyp.
We here.
We love y'all ayaba.
I appreciate you, my sister,for coming out.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Peace and love we're gonna do the live next time,
right?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
oh, definitely we gotta do a live.
Yo y'all gonna ask questions,you know.
You know I'm saying she's gonnaset y'all straight, peace and
love, and we peace, and lovepeace, ciao bye.
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