Drop your flag challenge - Crip Jesus - NYPTALKSHOW Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
what's going on?
Everybody out there is ronbrown lmt, the people's fitness
professional, aka soul brothernumber one, reporting for duty.
Peace to everybody out there.
Thank you for brother uh king lcrip jesus coming out this
evening.
Really appreciate you, brother,you've been rocking with us
Rocking man.
I mean, you got the wave rightnow.

(00:32):
You know what I'm saying.
You got the wave you poppingright now.
I saw you with what's that dudenamed the fat boy.
No, pardon me, I don't meandisrespecting, but the big, the
heavyset dude.
That's no Jumper, no Jumperdude.
Oh, poetic Flaco, yeah, I sawyou with him.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Poetic Flaco, yeah that's an old video.
He ain't really been tapping inwith your boy since he didn't
cross back to the dark side.
There was a little error forabout four, five months where he
was trying to be like theconscious guy had no jumper.
He had, uh, rizza islam, comeup there, young pharaoh, uh,

(01:15):
captain, whatever the hebrewswould like do, like, yeah, he
had all the you know, I'm sayingall the regulars.
And then he, he, he ran into meup there.
I was up there with my homiekiller from six.
Oh, it was like, oh, jesus,yeah man.
So he went in, uh, rented out awhole little area.
We did an interview it wassupposed to be like his first
interview he's gonna do on hisown channel and then he was

(01:39):
getting into it with him.
They were talking bad about itall.
It was a whole little era.
I remember I don't know whathappened.
He just i't know what happened.
Everything switched back.
He was back, cool with Adam, itwas all.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
He got pro-black for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, he just was pro-black for a second the last
time I got a music video withthe Clippers there where they
was like who's the top creep inLA?
He says my name.
He tried to give me some props.
The dude Brick Baby's therelike, say his name.
I think that's when his wholelittle whatever pro-blackness he
had left.
I'm a rockin' with Crypt Jesus.
That was the end of it there,because after that I never heard

(02:13):
him mention me again.
I've come across him on someclubhouse type stuff or whatever
.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
What's his name?
Brick Baby.
You got an issue with brickbaby I mean it was some weird
stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
he.
He called himself blue jesus.
He want to beef over the name.
You know it's crazy.
I'm so tapped in, right, I knewabout this already before he
brought it to the screen.
So it was so fake because itwas like we've already talked
about it in person, Like you getwhat I'm saying.
Like it was a whole littlething.

(02:49):
So I don't know.
It was like when Flaco said myname, he made it like it was a
whole beef.
He even came back for anotherepisode, Like yeah, I ran into
him.
Then I'm like man, the storyyou talk about running into each
other was true, but the partyou talk about like we had the
whole little Jesus name beefthing, that's a lie.

(03:09):
But I don't know.
I responded it was funny, wehad a little moment, so it
wasn't like that.
He's locked up right now right,he's in the feds.
Free brick baby.
Free brick baby.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yo, so let's go into it.
Free brick baby yo.
Um, so let's, let's go into it.
The drop the flag challengewhich was created by hocus for
fifth.
Um, who is from castle?
I'm from castle hill, I'm fromsan jose, that whole area over
there, pc.
Uh, everybody over there,castle hill sound view.
I've been over there in castlehill sound view for years.
I raised my daughter over there.
Actually, castle Hill Shoutsout to everybody over there in

(03:45):
Castle Hill that I know, myfamily members Also, castle Hill
Projects, people I know fromover there.
Peace to y'all.
If y'all see this, hocus PocusStarted, dropped a flag
challenge and you know mepersonally.
I looked at it For a hot second.
I looked at what was going on,what he was saying and you know

(04:05):
me personally.
I looked at it for a hot second.
I looked at what was going on,what he was saying and you know
I respect it.
You know.
You know what do you thinkabout it?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I respect it as well.
You know what I'm saying and Ithink, starting right off,
because the way the Internet isdesigned and the way it promotes
and pushes out you knowcontroversial stuff and you know
negative things that as soon asit got some wheels and some

(04:38):
legs on it, it kind of startedgetting picked up by different
media outlets and you know, kindof used for messages that had
nothing to do with the originalmessage and people getting on
the computer screen screen andspeaking for whole entire cities
and coasts.
So you know, I think it'sbeautiful.

(04:59):
I think a lot of other peoplefeel so as well and, yeah, you
know I I think it's a positivething what I've observed from
this so far.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, I think it's positive.
However, you know, like fromwhat I know as far as being
online, watching people online,you know, and then hearing
brothers from like I know a lotof Bloods from New York, yeah, I
know a lot of bloods from New.
York.
Yeah, no, a lot of bloods fromNew York, bloods from New York.
Don't really talk too muchabout the West coast at all,

(05:32):
really.
Actually, you talk about theirown, their own lives and things
that's going on.
But over the years there'vebeen like some kind of back and
forth between West coast gangmembers and East coast gang
members, where west coast gangmembers they don't, uh,
necessarily respect the eastcoast gang members.
However, the east coast gangmembers are, um, putting their

(05:53):
lives on on the line for whatthey believe in.
They're going to jail, they'redying over this and the whole
nine.
You know it's a way of life.
So now, how do you see that?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
the whole nine.
You know it's a way of life.
So now, how do you see that?
Yeah, that was the reason why Iactually joined the live the
other day.
They did on it they had a panel, and that was the reason I
joined it, because I really feltlike, as far as the new york
gang is dropping a flag, Irespect it, I don't have nothing
to say, they don't need methere.
The reason I showed that wasbecause there was some back and
forth.
I don't know if you've seenwhere Styles P got involved and
then my own baby runner, so Icame in order to.

(06:30):
Actually, I respect you withall the utmost respect, brother,
but I feel what you just saidis not true and that's why I
came up there to even argue withthem.
I asked them personally.
I said man, ever since thisDrop your Flag Challenge
challenge came out, I've been inthree lives about it.
Each live ended up with me andsomeone else yelling and them

(06:50):
yelling at me about how la hatesnew york and we kill all y'all
rappers and all this crazy stuff.
I'm like, bro, y'all watchingtoo much tv.
It could be.
So I'm like okay, name therapper.
They say biggie, tupac, pnb,rock pop smoke.
I'm like bro, okay, name therapper.
They say Biggie, tupac, pnbRock, pop Smoke.
I'm like, bro you're talkingabout Biggie was 97.
This was a real thing that wasgoing on between him and Pac.
And then Pop Smoke and PNB Rockare isolated issues that

(07:15):
happened over 20 years later.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, that's for sure , that's for sure, yeah and
they're all hip-hop related.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
None of them are gang related.
It's not like Pop Smoke cameout here and went to the Bloods
and got chipped or went aroundthe Crips and they did them in
like Nipsey.
That's not what happened.
He got a robbery.
It wouldn't matter where themdudes was from, right PNB Rock,
it was a robbery.
It had nothing to do with PNBRock, it was the Bloods or Crip
or anything like that.
So that, so I don't see whythey even keep mixing that.

(07:42):
Oh no, you're talking about meno, no not you, no, not you, not
you.
I'm saying the whole, as you saybecause you said you asked me
the question, you said how Ifeel about this I'm telling you.
this is why I even joined theconversation.
So I went to the library to saylet's first and foremost
separate the the hip-hop uhconcept.

(08:03):
And it's bigger than hip hopbecause, like you said, it's
dudes that you may know, that'sreal bloods that say this.
I hear it too.
So I asked them personally.
I said, man, have any of y'allregardless of what you heard
from your homie or whatever haveany of y'all got off the plane,
went to LA as representing someclique there or whatever, and
they beat your ass and ran youup out of there.

(08:24):
They said no.
I said so where's this comingfrom?
It's coming from, like, theinternet or hip hop.
You know interview types.
You get what I'm trying to say.
Like it's really not too manycases of this you hear.
Like really, and I use myself.
For example, when I traveled onthe East Coast as a crip, I was
embraced I'm not talking aboutby everyone, I'm talking about

(08:47):
by the people under that banner.
Now, does that matter?
Because the rumor is not thatwe don't get embraced, it's vice
versa.
It does matter because the sameguys I saw there that I hung
out with in LA you get what I'msaying.
I saw this hey, what's up, bro,you coming out.
So it's like what happened isone dude out there, crew may

(09:08):
come to LA and get beat up orhave a boring time.
Then he goes back and says thisoh yeah, la don't like New York
.
No, nigga, nobody likes you.
People say LA, new York,florida or wherever you with.
You know what I'm saying Acorny motherfucker is a corny
motherfucker.
So the thing is in that sense.

(09:31):
I can't agree.
I'm not trying to glorify therag or none of that, I'm just
speaking.
The truth is that they're usingthese things to create concepts
.
That's not true.
And then I would say this toomy homie said this.
My homie said there's alsopeople on the East Coast that
push that narrative in order forthem to have full control.
So they'll be like LA, homies,is tripping.

(09:52):
This is what we're doing.
You get what I'm saying.
So it's like they'll promotethat in order for them to take
the gang and do whatever theywant to do with it.
So it's like.
But the truth is, if you thinkabout it, if you just think oh,
here go hokers, right here,peace, peace.
Yo, I was just handling somebusiness and shit.

(10:15):
Okay, yeah, we live right now,man, we happy, we so happy to
have you, man, for sure you wantme to email it or something.
That's cool, all right, peace,yeah.
So the point I'm saying is thisand I'm so glad he called
divine timing.
The point I'm saying is thatright there, there, this, think

(10:37):
about what I'm trying to say.
There's an idea that thatdoesn't happen, that when he
calls me I say what's up, newyork nigga?
He says hey, la big homie, eventhough he's blood on a crib.
But you get what I'm trying tosay.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Like there's a 40 concept.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
That doesn't really exist, bro, and I understand it.
I've even heard my homies talklike that.
I'm not going to act like black, but this is a black thing.
This ain't got nothing to dowith LA.
Every city I go to, dudes talkpop.
It ain't the real.
But I'm saying, ron, you know,just like I know an Army veteran
can say we're the Marines,you're not hard right, that's

(11:08):
just shit talking.
I'm saying in the actualtransaction of the culture.
When Jim Jones came to LA, wewas happy, bro.
When he came to New York, we washappy.
That whole Biggie thing, thatwas a real thing.
You know, the point I'm sayingis going into this and I feel
like it's the perfect time forhim to come in.
Going into this.

(11:29):
I was just showing up to clearup.
Let's not let the Internetspeak for us or the media speak
for us.
We know when boots on theground, we all support this,
even the West Coast homies, youknow.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Got you, got you.
So we got a brother.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Hulk is four, fifth in the building.
What's going on for fifth yo?
What's good brothers?
What's good crim, jesus and theother brother I don't know your
name, bro ron, ron, ron.
What's going on, ron?
Salute to y'all.
Thanks for having me, thanksfor inviting me no problem, yo
um hocus.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I want you to talk about drop the flag challenge.
What's that about?
And um, you know, you know,build on it a little bit yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
So the drop my flag challenge was something that I
started because, um, I sat backand I thought, because I've been
doing this work for years andwe see a lot of our younger
brothers get indicted on theserico cases, I was even in a
conspiracy case in New York.
I sat on Rikers Island fouryears and I beat mines.
I was acquitted, you know, on agang case, on a sex money,

(12:32):
murder case, blood case, right,I was one of the you know,
alleged leaders of it and Iwound up getting acquitted.
So when I came home, I promisedmyself that I'm going to do
this work and I've been, eventhough, like you know, I feel
like I've reached people attimes and there's a lot of
brothers out here doing thiswork.
It's just not enough.
So I wanted to really sit backand think what is it going to

(12:52):
take you know what I mean for usto really put a wedge between
us, the streets, and the Ricoand the gangs?
Because you know the FBI, thefederal government, because the
FBI, the federal government, nomatter how we look at it, they
got us listed as criminalenterprises.
We know that we're not.
We know that these gangs arenot enterprises at all.

(13:12):
It's crazy, right, but theyhave gotten so many convictions
from it.
They already proved it.
I did an interview today forFox 5 News Y'all going to see it
coming out next Friday.
I can say it now because I didit right and Chef G Lawyer was
on there with me and he saidyou're right, hocus, they got
the bloods and crypts and thedatabase of criminal enterprises
.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah.
So we can't change what theygot right.
But what we can do is put downthese gangs.
Start something new, a newfoundation that's not built on
criminality, because Startsomething new, a new foundation
that's not built on criminality.
Because if we keep breeding inthese gangs, all we're doing is
setting up the next, you knowthe next generation to go right
into the prison system.
It doesn't matter how positivewe try to make it sound, that's

(13:55):
what's going to happen.
Not everybody in the gang commitcrimes.
Right, and they say it's not.
They give us this it's notillegal to be in a gang.
But how is it not illegal to bein a gang when you're already
labeled a criminal enterprise?
It sounds like some CIA set ofshit to me.
You know what I mean.
So that's what was my drivingforce starting to drop my flag.
I led the way by saying youknow what?
I wasn't even reallygangbanging in the last 15 years

(14:18):
anyway, but I never publiclydenounced it.
So I'm going to say I'm goingto publicly do it and then I'm
going to try to bring my peoplesalong with me who get it and
pull out as many people as I canand those who stay, because I
know everybody's not going todrop their flag.
Hopefully we can all worktogether on building something
new.
We went from the Black Panthersto Bloods and Crips.
Let's transition into somethingnew and step away from this

(14:40):
Rico.
That's my, that's what you know, what I want to do.
I want us to step away from theRico.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Alright and now?
So what's the plan Like?
So now, drop your FlagChallenge.
People are dropping their flagsor they're joining the
challenge online and things likethat, and offline.
What's the next step?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So the other, yeah, go ahead bro, no, no, go ahead,
no, go ahead.
Bro, no, no, go ahead, no, go,get your stuff.
You know the next step, not me.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
No, no, no I mean I kind of just said it in a
nutshell is that we do need tobuild something new.
Now it's a lot that come intothat.
Like I do have a Hold on, yeah,my foot.
I got to get a GPS real quick.
Shit, my bad.
All right, I'm not ready togive that entirely to the world

(15:27):
yet until it's packaged right.
But in a nutshell, you know wehave to start something new,
something new that's built andit can start with, like I done
did it in the last five years Istarted something called the
rabbit hole right, and therabbit hole is a community of
critical thinkers where we, youknow, we talk about any topic
you could think of and we comeup with solutions and we help

(15:47):
each other.
We do retreats, we do like, whena disaster happened in North
Carolina, we went out there withour own money.
I just now, you know, turnedinto a non-profit.
We went out there our own money, gave people that.
We went to another place inNorth Carolina and and we talked
to the youth the same type ofwork you know we're doing now.

(16:07):
So when I say we went to NorthCarolina for the floods, for the
hurricane, we gave people watershelter I mean not shelter,
pardon me.
We gave people water, clothingand what else.
We gave people so much stuff.
We just had a.
We had cars full of stuff andwe just gave it to them.
You know what I'm saying Withour own money.

(16:28):
So that's basically a solution.
It's not the solution, but it'sa solution.
I think the youth, a lot of theyouth, need mentorship shit.
We we grown and we not exemptfrom mentorship.
I still get mentorship to thisday and they need it.
They need the big homies toturn into big brothers, bro, and
some of the big homies is bigbrothers.
But we have to be like, honestwith ourselves.

(16:49):
We know the criminality part isa part of it and it's brothers
that's taking advantage andusing, you know, to get the shit
to their advantage.
We have to be honest.
So maybe if we built this newfoundation that yo, if you ain't
following these rules, youcan't be a part of this, and
whatever that may be and, like Isaid, I started with the rabbit
hole, I've been started withthat and whatever that looks

(17:12):
like, we can have a discussionabout it.
I don't want to be the one tosay I have all the solutions,
but I know this.
We need immediate ceasefire,immediately.
We need to immediately stopkilling each other, stop
committing black genocide.
We need to.
We need to immediately stopshooting up neighborhoods where
kids play at and grandmothers goto stores.
Two grandmothers got killedthis year alone inside of Harlem

(17:33):
.
Both parades got shot upalready the Dominican parade and
the what do they call it?
The West Indian parade got shotup.
Multiple people already likethis year, like don't, nobody
want to go to no more parades,come on Like.
We know this shit.
We got to stop acting like.
You know I understand thatquestion, but people acting like

(17:55):
because it's not an immediatesolution, like it's an immediate
problem, like if we don't stopnow, they could come indict us
tomorrow, next week, next month.
So we have to do something.
I'm just.
I just raised a lot of you know, made a lot of noise about it
because something had to happenand I'm happy we having a

(18:16):
conversation.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Okay, so what do you suggest?
I mean for people like justcivilians, or what have you and
and and uh former gang membersthemselves to do right now, with
this climate, right now, wherethe younger brothers are out
here shooting each other andthings of that nature?
Man?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
you know it's like an immediate action well me, me
being still outside rocker saythis it starts with patience.
I going to tell you why itstarts with patience.
A lot of people who've beeninvolved in these movements give
up because they don't see thechange.
It ain't fast enough for them.
After three, four years they'relike man.
I've heard every excuse.

(18:59):
I've watched people die in myface because when you go in too
hopeful and you don't, we haveto understand that these
problems we have come fromcenturies.
I know we like to act like itdon't and that doesn't matter,
but it does.
It's a brainwashing.
So it's not a whole nightMeaning that I don't think we

(19:20):
should.
I'm not trying to go against themomentum of the conversation,
but I don't think we should rushtoo fast past the drop your
flag challenge.
I think the internet has a wayof making you think something's
popping more than it mayactually be.
You get what I'm saying.
So we got to really get on theground, and this was me and him
discussed last time.

(19:41):
We're not trying to make itlike the drop your flag take
over revolution, because thatwould just be another war
between the raise your flag,drop your flag, right, yes, yes.
So that's not what we're hereto do.
This is something that's beengoing on for years, even it's
been going on with him for years.
It's even been going on with mefor years.

(20:01):
I don't necessarily use theterminology drop my flag.
I raised the flag up, but I forsure dropped the crime, dropped
the pimping, dropped thekilling, the cease and the fire,
the drop into the idiocracy.
So therefore, me and him havethe same goal and this is why I
made sure I showed up on hisplatform to let him know.
There's nobody I've spoken to onthe west coast, in any group.

(20:24):
I don't care about anindividual, I'm talking about
group settings, people,influential you got what I'm
saying 20 people, 30 people, myhomies in San Diego, the Bay
Area, seattle, the West Coast no, they're rocking with this.
So we can't let the fact thatmaybe a couple dudes have a
little more exposure becausethey're in the Hollywood area

(20:45):
and they got a few more viewersor whatever, they don't have
nothing to do with these guns,they don't have nothing to do
with these schools, they don'thave nothing to do with what's
going on with these doctoroffices or these welfare offices
.
We're talking about real lifeshit.
You feel what I'm saying?
So you can't get distracted bythat.
So I just think the first stepis making sure that we get
everyone focused on this.
You know what.

(21:08):
We get everyone focused on this, you know, I mean, we get
everyone aware of it, what itmeans, what's going on.
You know, uh, sure, and prove.
So that's why I came, you know,to lend my side, hopefully
people that's tuned in with me.
Oh okay, yeah, I heardsomething about that, but I'm
looking more into, I'm glad tosee, you know, I'm saying like
the awareness of for me well.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, I mean, you know this platform can be used
for the drop the flag challenge.
I don't mind that.
As you said, using the internetas a vehicle to to push the
agenda.
You could do that here, that'sfor sure.
Um, however, I'm also lookingfor an immediate, because the
brother says something has tohappen immediately, right?

(21:47):
So what's happening right nowin the streets, to where you
know the kids are doing whatthey're doing, I mean I could, I
could attribute it to the music, the drugs.
Like the music has changed overthe years.
You know it's like super gangedout.
It wasn't like that some yearsago.
As it is now, you know where.

(22:08):
You know, with the trend of theChicago drill music coming into
, you know, kind of changinghip-hop, in a sense, it's its
own genre now and it's inspiringthe kids to go out there and do
certain things.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
So you know I'm sorry .
Sorry bro, I thought you waslanding go ahead yeah, I landed,
yeah go ahead.
You know what I spoke about thison an on a um you know
interview today too on fox fiveright.
So I said that I think thatevery mother that has a dead
child from the from the lastfive years in the drill music in
nyc should file a class actionlawsuit against the record

(22:46):
labels.
How is it that us right?
They want Hocus Pocus to beresponsible, as I am now, as a
grown man, right to beresponsible to try to lead the
way for this youth.
But these are the people thathave the money.
Billionaires, billion-dollarcorporations are funding records
that have people that's deadinside of the song and the song
is being pushed, it's beingfunded, it's being backed by a

(23:09):
billion-dollar corporation.
Now, every mother.
Why is it that if a gang membersend a big homie $40 in jail,
he's liable to be indicted in aRICO and say he funded the gang?
But the record labels, why arethey not in a RICO?
They actually funding the gang,but the record labels, why are
they not in the Rico?
They're actually funding thegame.
This is what they're doing, andthen they fund both sides.

(23:31):
You have one label assignedthis person, then you have the
other label assigned the op andthen they put insurance on them,
and so what you're saying, Ilove what you're saying right
now, because I talked about thisearlier.
Man, this needs to be discussed.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
It needs to be brought to the forefront, and
I'm glad we're talking about itright now.
So so this is a good point,because I thought about this
some years ago.
So how can we bring theserecord labels up on charges now?
Would it be that we have togalvanize our people to go down
to those record labels and maybeprotest and put it in their
face and get some news coveragebehind it?
How, how, how is that possible,and I would love to be down
with that.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I think, not bad.
But I think that and this isnot even just about promoting
myself this is the reason why Iwrote the Blue Bible.
I think that comes fromunderstanding who and what we
are.
I think if we understood thosenumbers and those colors and
those symbols went to ourancestors and had true, powerful
meaning, we wouldn't give themup to the devil so easy.

(24:33):
Who convinced us to think, oh,that's just hippity, hop, don't
worry, let me get that.
We don't realize we're givingup our spirit and our soul.
We're taught that oh, nigga,come from slavery.
We don't know it come fromnigga, I don't think we'd be,
and I'm not sure it come fromslavery.
We don't know it come from negasanaga, I don't think we'd be,
and I'm not sure you know.
I understand with time ofconsciousness and rap.
Maybe that ain't the answer, Idon't know.
But I'm saying to me for me, asthe more I understood myself

(24:56):
and I don't just mean myself asin like, oh, I got the knowledge
I'm saying the blue biblespecializes in street knowledge
so the more I understood thatthe level of value of these
terms, these colors, and howthey were using them to get to
convince us to kill each otherand to sell dope, but because
they have a hypnotic, powerfultrance over where to say
something stupid is put a fingerin the bud.

(25:17):
You like?
Ok, I like that line becausethe drum, because the voice
texture and all that.
When I learned the science thatwas being used to blood suckuck
the poor who's the ones on thetracks, and I just lived it.
I think, and I'm going thatdeep with it, I think it's the
spiritual thing with that.
I think until we understand thespiritual qualities of our
voices and music, that we'lljust keep giving, not us as a

(25:40):
whole, because you know what'scool, ron, I don't think us as a
whole is with that shit.
It's a very small minority thatthey find it's not a lot of Uzi
Verts walking down the block.
You dig what I'm saying.
But they'll find that onemotherfucker he's from Philly at
that but they'll find that oneweird dude in Philly that'll be
the Uzi.
You feel what I'm saying.
They'll find the one skinnycrip Of all the buffed up prison

(26:03):
crips in LA.
They found the one skinny cripthat wanted to be a pimp.
When I was growing up we didn'teven like pimps.
So they'll infuse this pimpshit, this killer, psychosis,
serial killer shit.
They'll infuse it into ourculture and I think when we
understand that, we won't be soquick to feed into that, because
I think a lot of these dudes,when you go to the studio and
kick it with them, they don'tthink they're doing nothing

(26:23):
wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
They think it's a shit.
It's going to take a while toget that message out and for
people to understand it.
It's going to take some time.
We're talking about animmediate action.
The Hocus Forfeits was sayingget these record labels indicted
.
Now I was saying or civil suit,because we know that's going to

(26:46):
be hard yeah, get them indicted.
But if we can, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, or civil suit.
Civil suit with all the mothersthat children was victims,
because their families arefacing financial crisis,
especially the ones where Deadsons names in songs.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Think about it like this he's right.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Think about King Von's kids.
Think about you, get what I'msaying.
He's right.
Think about King Von's kids.
Think about you, get what I'msaying.
Like, he's right, bro.
Think of the families of theserappers who they were literally
promoting.
Shoot him, shoot him, shoot him, shoot him.
Then he goes down and thefamily's suffering.
The record maker's spending allthe money.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Right, indeed, indeed .
So yeah, I'm listening.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Let me say one thing, and you know why.
I think it'll work because whatthey're gonna try to say is oh
well, there's a freedom ofspeech, they get to say what
they want.
But however, science provedthis.
Science proved that your um,your brain, is not developed to
you 25.
This is why a lot of thebrothers who got life sentences
when they, when they was intheir early 20s or teens, for
murders, this is why theyletting them now, because

(27:47):
they're saying that science saysthat they wasn't even mentally,
they didn't really know whatthey was doing.
So how you giving you, giving achild a million, two, three
million dollars, rapping aboutsomebody dead?
Now all these kids think that'sthe way.
Oh, I got to get out.
They think they have to have anop and they think they have to
put them in a song and that'show they get lit.

(28:07):
So it's not their fault.
So you can't say it's theirfault.
I mean, if they take thisapproach I'm going to keep
pushing this until these motherstake this approach, they'll get
those We'll see a change.
We'll see a change with themusic, I promise you.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Right now.
Now, how would you?
How would you organize that,though?
Because you know I'm interestedin that myself.
So how would you organize that?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
like I think because the drop your flag thing is a
challenge.
It's not like me walking aroundthe streets saying I challenge
you, right.
So it's the internet thing, Ithink because the space is in,
is is.
I think you know what's crazy.
I'll lobby the best planner.
I even think the corny shit Iuh adam 22 did gave it some pop
culture attention.
So I think it's.
I think this is a good angle tocome from.

(28:48):
I think if we can weave it intoeven songs you know what I mean
this is part of the hip-hop,even if it's just like remember
when they, even if it's somebodytalking bad about it, if it's
some New York gang dudes, howyou feel about it, oh man, we
don't fuck that it's like.
As long as it's weaved into thepop culture culture, I believe
it becomes part of theconversation.
It was conversations like we'rehaving being had on, you know,

(29:08):
Breakfast Club or whatever youdid.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yo so Hocus.
What about coming out with asong for that?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
So I'm actually working with a producer right
now and you know a popularproducer you know, shout out to
Charlie Rock.
I can say his name.
He produced for a lot of peoplein the industry and he, you
know, we're going to puttogether, he want to put
together a whole album.
So I said, you know what, let'sdo it, because I understand you
know the power of music.
So if we're going to battle it,like you said, they throwing
this music at us we got tocombat it with the music that

(29:37):
you know, the frequency that wetalking about, and music is
frequency, so we have to do that.
So that's guaranteed.
Crypt Jesus, I don't know ifyou get in the booth, but if you
want to be on this project, youknow what I'm saying.
More than welcome to.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
You don't know if Crypt Jesus get in the booth man
.
You better turn thatmotherfucking Spotify, apple
Music.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
YouTube Now we listening.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Listen, son is nice.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Hey Hocus, I just dropped the album.
Remember, I said on your livemy opinion matters from the West
Coast, because I'm part of theEast Coast too.
I wasn't just popping it, Ijust dropped an album called
Blue Tang.
Now, just because I'm a Wu Tangfan, I'm up under Killer Priest
.
I'm part of this group of RoyalPriesthood.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
So I'm already up there man.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, yeah, I be in Medina, mecca, all that being
the world.
As a matter of fact, shout outto Sarah Needle from Australia.
She sent me some bread becauseI told her I wanted to send
y'all some copies of my joint,the Blue Bible, and what this
does.
This goes through what you'retalking about.
So we, on the same frequency.
It breaks down how Crip whenRaymond Washington formed it not

(30:41):
here to tell no fairy tale oh,the Black Panthers got
infiltrated.
Blame, blamed everything on thewhite men.
No, that ain't what happened.
They arrested the BlackPanthers, these youth that was
gangbangers, that was trying toimitate them.
Did they think it was poisonfrom the jump?
So what happened was a brotherwho's actually a.
Check this out.
A more science temple sheiknamed Danifu Kareem Bey wrote

(31:02):
the Constitution for Crips in 72.
We don't follow that shit now.
You got dudes over there makingup their own knowledge and
books and all of that you dig.
This shit's all lost.
I talk about how the Stones wasout here pushing the Jeff Fort
Morris agenda.
Then that got locked into theconflict with the Crips.
Then that turned into BloodsCrips.
This is all lost in the sauceof the drug dealing the guns,

(31:26):
the beef, the ego and the lackof the knowledge.
So what this book does, insteadof saying, just you know, uh,
just leave it alone.
I'm trying to give people anunderstanding of why you was
even like that you dig what I'msaying.
Why you saw that crescent moonand star and that five and got
so entranced you ain't just adumb monkey why you heard the

(31:48):
word nigga or cousin and blah.
This is all things from ourculture.
They corrupt you.
It's like they give theswastika.
You give the swastika with theother direction, in the
motherland, and it was positive.
So that don't mean that I goagainst you and say, nah, don't
drop the swastika, pick it backup.
I ain't saying that Nah.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
I it back up.
I ain't saying that now I'mwith you, let's drop the
swastika, but I'm just sayinglet's let them know why are we
dropping it?
Because these was poisoned, youfeel?
I'm saying I love, I love that,bro, I love that.
Send me your um, send me a linkto, um, the apple music link.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna bump thatwhile I'm working.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
And yeah, your album, let's just yeah, yeah that that
that last, that last album wasfire, fire.
We.
We did an album review on thisplatform, on this joint, so
Hocus.
I want to also talk about Dropthe Flag.
What's the response from thepublic?
With the Drop the Flagchallenge, I noticed Adam-22 did

(32:43):
something and I'm going to bequite honest with you, I don't
really like Adam-22.
Adam 22 did something and I'mgoing to be quite honest with
you, I don't really like Adam 22.
I think he exploits the peopleand he does it worse than Vlad
could ever do it from myperspective.
And it's just nasty.
It's like tasteless garbage onhis platform.
And you know, he, he, he saidthat.

(33:04):
He said something about.
He was basically trying to makea joke about someone, one of
his friends, or something likethat.
What tell me about that?
Break that down.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Well, well, all I'm going to say is this Right, you
know this ain't getting you know, religious, not like that, but
I'm doing God's work, you know.
I mean, I believe that I am aGod, that we all are Right, that
, but I'm doing god's work, youknow, I mean, I believe that I
am a god, that we all are right.
And every and um, every time,you know, god put his works, his
magic, the devil comes.
You know, I think this guy evengot a baphomet tattered on him
or something, right?
so like that, yeah, that thatwas just some devilish shit, bro

(33:39):
, like that it's nothing.
It's nothing that anybody cansay that could justify that.
He would just make it.
You don't joke on Black murder,especially someone who's trying
to limit that, someone who'strying to lower the homicide
rate in the Black community,because that's what I want to do
and that's not what I want todo.
That's what I've been doing foryears For dudes that don't even
know me.

(33:59):
I'm going to say this and comeback to Adam.
I've been doing this in my hood,when I was banging, when I was
in my 20s or in a differentneighborhood, like nah, we ain't
doing that, like I've been onthis type of time.
It just amplified now because Ibecame a popular figure.
So when he sinked in and he didthat, it's just straight
disrespectful and you can't.
If anything, what?
Why?
I think Styles P was was sayingit's just like hey, yo just

(34:22):
check him like yo, if, if yousit next to him, like if I sink
that over here on the East Coastand I was sitting next to a
white brother of mine, because Igot white brothers too If I had
a white brother that did that,yo, bro, you was out of line,
bro, you should apologize, likethem brothers over there,
whatever they got going on overthere, even if we agree with it
or not, he's trying to like fromkilling each other, which we

(34:49):
need to stop.
So you wrong for that, bro.
That's all we wanted to hear.
Like nobody, nobody want to goback and forth with the west
coast and have it turn to theeast coast and to the into the
brothers up there.
I got love for all.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing ignorance, I'mnot responding to anybody trying
to make it a negative thing.
This is a positive movement andif, how and if who, and.
And to answer your question onwho, what's the public response?
I say 75 percent positive, 25percent negative.

(35:11):
And on the rail, you knowprobably more than that, because
I get a number of positivity.
You know I got a lot ofcelebrities chiming in.
You know I got a lot of peoplejust homies that's in the
federal prisons, homies that'sin state prisons.
I got homies that said, um,that's all around this country,
that's a lot of homies on theWest coast, that's blood and
crim hitting me up.

(35:32):
Some, I know don't knowsupporting it.
Um, most of the non-support isbackbiting behind my back, but
it is something that's verballysaying.
They probably just like I.
They don't understand what I'mtrying to do, yet some people
need to see it first, and Irespect that, and I even respect
the people who don't agree.
I don't want to fight y'all, socome on, I did this to raise

(35:54):
awareness.
Now let's have the conversation.
So help me, come up with asolution, because I do.
Got the floor right now.
I got the people's attention.
You know what I mean, so helpme.
So when I go, yeah, go ahead,brother.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
That's where that's the problem.
It's jealousy.
He got the floor, he got theattention, he's saying something
positive, so the devil want tocome in and say something
negative.
So that way, whether thedevil's right or wrong, it's the
topic now.
Oh, you saw what Adam said.
Oh, let me go look it up now.
Oh, damn, you see it, dude.
Now we getting off the.
You dig what I'm saying.
So even I've been guilty ofseeing Adam's wine and falling

(36:30):
under it.
And look, let me say thisbecause he's right.
Not only is Adam the devil, butit's not a metaphor.
Check this out.
Let me go to the Blue Bible.
This is why this book is soimportant.
It's relevant right now.
Page 39.
It says when the Corcoranpeople of Adam first arrived in
Egypt, they were searching forluxor, the city they had heard
so many myths about.
It's similar to when theyoutuber adam 22 flew to chicago

(36:52):
to visit the notorious oblong.
It wasn't until after my nojumper interview that I began to
study adam 22.
Immediately I noticed hisdevilish ways and his surname
grand maceon.
He is of a family of men whotaught napoleon to shoot the
nose off the fakes of africa.
They endorsed the decapitationof our ancestor, king louis 16.

(37:12):
They were, and likely still are, affiliated with the illuminati
.
Let's break that down.
Before a television, when thisthing was sitting up as a symbol
of our power, that hisancestors and I'm talking this
ain't no thousands of years ago,he just shot the nose off.
This was a couple hundred yearsago.
So his ancestors, the grandmage, was right there.
Oh yeah, shoot that off, makeit look like this.

(37:33):
So what I'm saying is he wasborn and groomed for this to
take the image of God anddefecate it Talk about it.
This is what he's born to do,since a child, god.
When I showed him and histattoos to my enlightener,
domino La G-Body Shoutout, hestarted pointing out.

(37:53):
He said oh, that symbol meansthis.
That symbol means that he gotall type of symbols all over his
body, that those thatunderstand the signs and the
symbols know what they mean.
But those around him just think, oh yeah, he's just a white boy
skater dude.
It's not a coincidence that hehas a porn studio right there
where he interviews the rappers.
Bro, it's the same combinationDef Roe had going on with the
Jewish lawyer in the back.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well, you know what I'm going to make.
A suggestion to Hocus.
I don't know I I don't know howyou want to go with this Adam
22 thing.
If you want to just squash it,leave it alone, don't even talk
about it again.
You can, however, man, what thebrother just said going down
the rabbit hole, pause therabbit hole right.

(38:34):
You could, really you couldbreak that whole thing down on
rabbit hole right.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Most definitely, I love.
That's basically what he did.
He went down the rabbit hole,right, almost definitely, I love
, I love that's basically whathe did.
He went down a rabbit hole withit, right?
You know, I mean criticallythink, think about.
That's why, you know, when hewent, jesus jumped on the
platform.
I see he got knowledge yourself.
You know, I embrace him because, like yo, bro, that's what we
are, we critical thinkers, andwe see, we see y'all coming.
So, yeah, I think that, um, wecould talk about it if y'all

(39:02):
want.
But I don't want to get.
You know, I'm not going to like, I don't want to keep talking
about him because this is whathe want, that's what he want.
And then to play, he don't mind, he don't.
This is what they do with theirtrickery.
This is their magic.
Oh, they throw us stones andhide their hands.
Oh, I was just playing.
Oh, I didn't mean it that way.
I mean, look at us, look at ourpeople.

(39:22):
Now They've been doing to usforever.
They gave us fucking sheetswith hip fillers and said, oh,
we're sorry, we didn't mean todo it.
Come get the.
What do y'all think y'alltalking to?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
me?
Yeah, because what it is is.
This is all politics and theirgoal.
So by him throwing himself inthe conversation, he becomes
part of politics.
This is what the agent thatpays him wants him to do.
The truth is, you have no say soin our politics.
The corny dudes around youtrying to make it like you got
some type of say so in ourpolitics when you don't and

(39:52):
that's what it is.
You know.
I mean, and if you notice, alot of the topics he talks about
on his show are internet topics.
Who got into it with who on theinternet?
It's not what's going on in theactual boots on the ground
backyard, because he's not there.
He's not invited there, he'sjust not there.
He doesn't even know where he'sat.
It's the real deal.
You see what I'm saying.

(40:12):
So by doing this, it gives hima way to even become part of the
conversation.
That when his minion sits downwith him and explains to them
what we're talking about and allthat we don't got time for that
.
You know what I'm saying,because the truth of the matter
is right across the streetthere's a kid getting shot.
Right around the corner there'sa school getting shot at.
We're trying to stop that.
That's what we're worried about.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
And on that note I want to bring it back to the
immediate thing we can do tokind of like sway the crime a
little bit.
You know what I mean Like howcan we change things immediately
?
Like, you know I have someideas myself, you know.
But what do you think?
Hocus Forfeits like immediatethings that we can do to make a

(40:56):
change.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Immediate things that we can do to make a change?
That's a good question, right?
I think this is somethingthat's going to be hard for our
community to understand at first, but someone brought it up
during our live Crypt Jesus wason.
It is to sit down with membersof law enforcement and go to

(41:20):
them and, like you know, membersof the criminal justice, and go
to them like yo, look, let'swork together and help to clean
up the community.
It's going to take olderbrothers like us, because the
youngest, they just out therewilding and what can y'all, how
can y'all help us?
Right, how can y'all help us?
And we help y'all.
So I can't say it right now, bro, I actually got a plan and I

(41:44):
got a meeting with some people.
I can't say who and what rightnow, I just don't want to
because I don't want people toknow right now.
But that is sort of what weneed to do.
We have to wedge that gap youknow what I'm saying and get
back to community, because thisunique police is going to be
there regardless, regardless.

(42:05):
They're going to be there.
So we have and what I'm sayingis not an old solution someone
tried to come up with like, yeah, we need to have police in the
community or we need to becomepolice.
No, we just need to stop doingwhat we're doing.
And what they're going to do isthey're going to do things for
us just because we're stoppingdoing what we're doing, meaning
we're stopping the crime andstopping the shootings and with

(42:29):
that they're going to help us.
That's all I'm going to say.
It's never.
No, we don't work with them toput brothers in jail.
We try to help brothers get outof situations.
We help brothers, preventbrothers from going to jail,
like you know what I mean.
If y'all want us to, you know,stop, which they do, because
their bosses crack down on themwhen it's a high crime area.

(42:49):
So they need solutions for that.
And there's people like me,people like you, Crypt, jesus
that have connections to thelittle dudes, younger dudes in
the hood like yo.
Look, if y'all can stop this,then this is what they'll do for
us.
Do you know what I'm saying?
So those conversations is beinghad and y'all gonna see it
rolling out.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
You know what I mean, what's the need at least?
Yeah, I wanted to ask.
I wanted to ask.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I think that we can't always rush to a new beginning.
We have to see the ending aswell.
So I actually think thisconversation is the immediate
answer.
I don't think the immediateanswer is to go right outside.
I think that's where we've beenmessing up, because gang
intervention, or studying gangsand trying to figure them out,
has been going on for about 100years.
Actually, I got a stat righthere years actually.

(43:43):
I got a stat right here.
They said there's a book byauthor named thrasher, 1927,
called the gang a study of 1313gangs in chicago.
It's in the 1920s, bro, so thisis something that's been going
on in the us for a long time 1313 man, bro, and I think this is
one of the first times in thatwhole hundred years that we see
something that's directly fromthe people themselves saying

(44:04):
stop, not saying intervention,not saying let's do it different
.
Saying let's stop, let'sorganize in a different fashion.
We've tried this for a hundredyears Thank you that?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
is the immediate answer.
That is, like everybody, likeyou said, everybody wants some
instant coffee man.
Like anybody want.
Like he said, anybody want someinstant coffee man.
Like, oh, okay, what's thesushi?
Okay, what's the yo, bro, wedon't.
We just need to stop.
Like you know, people are stillgoing to have like.
So if someone wants to walkaway from the gang I've rarely
said this and it makes sense Ifthey want to walk away from the
gang right now of them, stophelping them eat.

(44:42):
I thought we was aboutcommunity anyway, so it's
fraudulent anyway.
If it's like that, well, wherethey supposed to go?
They're supposed to go rightthere, with the homies still
holding them down.
But yo, I don't want to be apart of gangbanging, I don't
want to be a part of thecriminal activity I don't want
to have, I don't want to op, Idon't want to sell drugs.
Well, well, let's help him dosomething else if that's what he
wanted to do.
That's what I thought we wasabout.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
You know what I'm saying right hocus, I got two
questions for you, so the first.
The first question is is beingthat you were a part of bang
bang boogie, uh, and you'redoing this, this flag challenge.
Do you have any connectionswith mice on?
Is he helping now is, what's,what's your relationship with my
son?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
well, you know I was um, I was the one who started
bang Bang Boogie with my brother, po.
Rest in peace.
You know, mice is my brother.
Mice has his.
I haven't spoken to him aboutthis, but we differ in political
views so sometimes we clash,but I would never, you know, I
would never disrespect himpublicly or nothing like that.

(45:36):
But that's my brother, so wedidn't speak about this shit.
He's doing his own thing, likehe has his way of helping out.
He got to boycott Black murdersand he's doing his thing his
way.
You know, he was never a partof gangs, so this is kind of my
lane.
Like you know, this is what Idid for 25 years.
So you know we haven't spokenabout this shit, though I think

(45:58):
at some point we do need to cometogether.
You know him.
I think at some point we doneed to come together.
You know him and my brother hadan issue.
So that's probably why we ain'tspeak yet and it's not even
it's a.
It's this back and forthinternet shit that gotta stop
too.
You know, cause that shit buildshit up.
But we gonna speak.
We eventually gonna speak andwe have cause.
We have to cause how we gonna.
We got anything each other feelabout each other?

(46:18):
How we gonna tell a youth tostop killing each other?
And we can't stop.
Put our pride to the side tohave a conversation as brothers.
You know what I'm saying,helping them to stop killing
each other.
That's where it starts.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
That's what I'm saying Hold on, brother.
Let me just get the secondquestion so.
Being that in New York Citythere's a plethora of different
gangs, right, and now you know,with the YGs and all of that,
that's a whole different group,a different generation.

(46:51):
So how do you get them to dropthe flag?
Being that, you know, I meanyou come from a different
generation.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
I think that I think that the youth, youth, they will
follow once they see it.
And let me tell you why.
Right when ygs, when they theybig on like, they'll become big
like on rikers island in thestreets.
But when they go up north toprison, they almost every time
switch to a blood game becauseit's it's more structured than

(47:19):
discipline.
You know I'm saying it's morestructured than discipline.
It's men like you become itain't no more gladiator school.
You're a man now.
You got to move a certain way.
You got to move with certainrespect.
You can't just be young anddoing whatever you want and
wilding out.
Now, if we could take thatmentality to the street, but
without the gangs, they willfall in line If they see a bunch
of.
That's why I said we got tobuild something new, a new
foundation that's not builtaround criminality, that's built

(47:42):
around discipline, notdisciplining someone, but you
being a disciplined human being.
You know we not disciplined.
In the hood Ain't nobody reallydisciplined making sure.
Look, you got to really bedisciplined yourself.
Actually, like I get up and Igo to the gym seven days a week
now, right, I do that now.

(48:05):
I started doing that for acouple of months because I want
to discipline myself.
I know some people might saywell, you know, you got to give
your body a rest.
It ain't even about that.
It's about me just getting updoing things that I don't want
to do.
That's discipline.
I don't want to do it, so I'mgoing to do it right.
If you could get in the habit ofdoing what you don't want to do
, every successful person in theworld moved like this.
I'm talking about every personthat you know that has that was
not just successful financially,but that became great.

(48:27):
Every single one.
They had to do what they didn'twant to do, you know, during
their hardest moments, and theyneed that mentality and they see
a bunch of men moving like that.
They're going to want to be apart of that and they mentality
and they see a bunch of menmoving like that.
They're gonna want to be a partof that and they're not gonna
want to go to jail, be away fromtheir girl.
We're in a social media era.
These little dudes don't wantto be away from their little
girl.
Who's gonna be poking thatthing out on instagram and

(48:49):
knowing she's gonna get athousand likes, they want to be
hit home with that man.
They know that, so they'll.
They'll follow.
I.
I believe that they'll followonce they see a bunch of men
moving how we're supposed to bemoving, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
All right, now I mean Crip Jesus.
That was my two questions.
I had another one.
But Crip Jesus, you can goahead.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Go ahead.
I was just thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
So there's another person that I know from the
Bronx.
I saw him on Adam 22.
Hattie Racks.
Now, Hattie Racks, are you inconnection with Hattie Racks and
if you are, can he get behindthis?
Drop the Flag Challenge.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Hattie Racks, that's my brother man, that's the bro.
Hell, yeah, like you know,hattie hit me.
Hattie, you know, definitely Igot Hattie's support.
You know Hattie's the numberone who's doing.
You know that's my bro, buthe's doing his own thing.
So it's like when I got a lotof bros in the streets, that's
all that's in the music industrythat they support, but they

(49:49):
just watching they doing theirthing.
It's like that's Hoke, that'sHoke thing, right there he doing
that.
I think as it grow, naturallyeverybody's just going to
gravitate towards it.
I don't think we need to.
You know, reach out toeverybody like yo, you need to
get behind this, you need to getbehind this.
I think, as it grows, I want itto be organic.
Anyway, you feel me, bro.
So that's my brother, thoughHattie Rack's my brother, so you
know he support If I, if wethrow an event or something.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
This is why it's got to be organic, ron, because
there has to be people on bothsides.
There has to be people that arestill in that say, hey, man,
let them slide.
Hey, man, chill, you get whatI'm saying?
Yes, because, like we said, ifit becomes aggressive where it's
like, yeah, leave them dudesalone, we're right here, we got
you, and it becomes a conflictbetween the two Right Right now.

(50:43):
I know from the discussion wehad the other day, from the
discussion I've had with thehomies, it's the support behind
it because it's understood that,okay, these are the people that
don't want to do this anymore.
Ain't nobody trying to throwyou in the car and force you and
then you telling on us, right,like, we're not in that era, no
more like it's, this thing haschanged.
We're in the Rico era,everybody going down.
So there's a lot of og thatprobably themselves used to
recruit people and throw them inthe car and force them.

(51:05):
That's not with that right now.
You know I'm saying so.
Uh, I say that to say ifsomeone decides, I'm cool, right
, we've seen people, friends,beat them up for leaving a
sports team or something.
You know I'm saying so.
If someone decides they're cool, there has to be people like

(51:29):
his brothers, who are stillinvolved, that can say, hey, man
, let that dude slide, you know?
I mean, or like how he said, ifthis dude's having issues,
saying, look bro, I love y'all,but I'm really here because I'm
doing bad, I don't want to beinvolved with this, I'm not with
all this.
There's got to be somebodythere that's down with both
sides saying, oh yeah, it's cool, bro, you can still sleep here.

(51:50):
You know what I'm saying?
You ain't got to do it.
There's got to be somebody thatunderstands the movement.
The thing is there's alreadypeople that transition and do
all that, but they don't get thesupport necessarily.
When we talked about it theother day and we summed up the
whole three-hour video, we saidI said to me it's not.
The mission statement iscreating that safe space.
It's not to rush to create thisultimate thing.

(52:13):
You feel what I'm saying,because I've always been told
the biggest sin is not justtelling a person what they doing
wrong, but telling them whatthey doing wrong and then not
giving them an option and justleaving them in limbo.
You feel me?
So we want to just create anoption for people and then we're
under the understanding thatthat will evolve.

(52:34):
That for sure will evolve,because we all I know me being
from the West coast, where it'sharsh, where dudes is living and
dying by it Even they're sayingI feel it, homie, I feel the
same way.
I don't want my kids in it Withthat type of voice and all that
.
That's what they're saying, soeveryone understands that it's
about saving these babies Forsure.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
That's a fact.
Listen, fellas, if you got onemore answer I got to.
I definitely got to run.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Well, thank you, hocus, for coming out this
evening.
I really appreciate you.
I definitely want to build withyou on the drop the flag
challenge, some things that Igot access to a place in Castle
Hill right on Westchester Avenue, and you know a space, so you
know I don't know if you want toutilize that for anything.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Okay, bro.
Yeah, Are you from New York?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Indeed, indeed.
Okay, I didn't even know that.
All right, yeah, yeah, yeah,indeed, we spoke a while back.
You probably don't remember.
We met in person a while back.
You probably don't remember youknow like?
I met you on Castle Hill infront of Stiles P's In the juice
bar.
I met you in front of the juicebar.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Okay, all right, yeah we met.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Oh, that's love.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
But you know, I'm in the A.
You know my situation right now.
I'm trying to make it up there,though I got some people that
are trying to pull me up.
It's going to happen, so I'llbe up there.
And then, yeah, on bill, youcould um, you could uh, um, crib
jesus, send him, bro, my numberall right, yeah, yeah, I got
your number.
Okay, all right.
All right, my brothers y'allalready know salute, we could do

(54:09):
this again.
I just had you know, I justgotta run.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I couldn't be here long all right, all right, all
right, peace, peace yo send methat album.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Crib jesus, don't, don't forget.
Yes, sir, all right, all right.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
You're ready.
So you know just how a lot ofwork, because I've been hearing
about him.
You might have heard of me Thenyou know we linked to another
thing.
Did I hit you up?
Did you already you know whatI'm saying?
Y'all back together.
So, like I said, toconversation, because this is so
new, it's happening in realtime really.
That's why I look at what Adamand them is doing.

(54:44):
They're trying to get ahead ofit.
As soon as you hear about it,you're hearing about them.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Exactly because it's all about the algorithms now,
Exactly, yeah, I peep game man.
I see 10 steps Now with you, wehad discussions about doing a
podcast on, on, on a blue bible.
I think we should do that.
Let's do that before we cut outwhat we already put that out in

(55:11):
the ether, so let's just makethat happen.
Um, thank you for coming outthis evening.
I really, I really appreciateyou.
We got five minutes.
If you want to say anything,give people your um, your book,
you know whatever you want to do.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I appreciate y'all too, man.
When I say y'all, I mean NewYork, the whole city, man, and,
like I said, bro, I feel forevery black child dying.
So I'm never here to glamorizethe flag, I'm just here.
A lot of them speak truth.
So I'm here to speak my story.
Like I said, I was embraced innew york.

(55:48):
You know, I saw dudes helppeople cross the street in the
name of whatever you know I mean.
So I say all that to say ourintention, even with the whole
thing from the jump, was alwayssome type of unity.
You know that got derailed.
And now the whole point for usas a people now there's crips,
now there's bloods, now there'sgds, now there's Crips, now
there's Bloods, now there's GDs,now there's Vice Lords, but
there's one people, there's onenation to reunite back together.
So this book is not a Crip book, it's not a gang book, it's a

(56:10):
book about that reunification.
You got yours right.
Indeed, yes, sir, yes sir.
So seeing in the flesh.
So you know, I mean, uh, tap in, help us get this movement all
around the country and allaround the world.
Really, you know, and uh, wecan resurrect our people from
understanding themselves andeven though they do stay in, it

(56:31):
can still be of a positive force.
Like myself, you know.
I mean I walk through southcentral right now hey, what's up
?
But ain't nobody telling me hopin the car, let's go smoke
something, something.
Like everybody knows what Istand for and I did that on
purpose, to prove to the worldit's not what you think, it is,
it's ourself.
It's dudes killing the drugdealing down in New Orleans that

(56:52):
ain't about to pick up a blueor a red rag.
It's a problem that we all camethrough in the 1980s.
Came through in the 1980s.
The whole thing with the Rico,like I told the brother he does
with the Rico.
They just didn't call it Rico,they called it gang injunctions.
I'll talk about that in chapter13 of the Blue Bible no chapter
10, as a matter of fact.
And I'll talk about how RudyGiuliani himself came to LA and

(57:17):
taught the legislators what hedid with the RICO take down the
Italian Mafia.
They did that, reworded it andmade the gang injunctions Okay.
So this is a real thing, it's aserious thing and that's why we
support them, because wealready know what they're about
to get hit with.
We already seen it, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Indeed.
On that note, we're out of here.
H Crip Jesus, please don'tclick off.
I want to talk to you afterthis is live and we are out of
here.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Peace.

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