July 2, 2025 • 52 mins
Magic isn't something that exists only in fairytales or Hollywood productions—it's a tangible force woven into the fabric of our ancestral connections and spiritual practices. Dr. Alim Bey, a respected teacher and author, breaks down the fundamental difference between having dead relatives versus cultivating relationships with living ancestors through proper veneration and altar work.
The conversation unveils how simple elements—water as a conduit, libations, offerings, incense, candles, white cloth, coins, and photographs—transform our relationship with those who've passed on. Dr. Bey shares a powerful personal experience where his consistent veneration of a deceased cousin allowed him to witness the spiritual graduation ceremony of his relative becoming a living ancestor, who later warned him about a dangerous accident.
We explore the distinction between ceremonial magic (following established traditions like Golden Dawn, Masonic orders, or Rosicrucian teachings) and folk magic (more personalized approaches). Both systems recognize that "the all is mind, the universe is mental," positioning consciousness as the true magical wand. The elements—earth, air, fire, water, and ether (spirit)—provide the framework for magical operations, with ether (also called chi, ki, mana, Holy Spirit, or Ra depending on tradition) representing the universal energy that powers all magical workings.
Dr. Bey offers practical guidance on candle magic, explaining how different colored candles correspond to specific intentions: red for energy, orange for nurturing, yellow for intelligence, green for healing and abundance, blue for communication, indigo for psychic abilities, and violet for spirituality. He teaches listeners how to read candle behavior during spellwork—high flames indicate acceptance by spiritual forces, low flames suggest
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
peace, world, peace, world.
How you doing.
It's your brother, mikey fever.
Nyp talk show.
We are live.
Apologies for the delay, butyou know we make it up for that.
Tonight we have the legendBrother, dr Aleem Faye.
Welcome my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Appreciate you, God Thanks.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yep, and tonight we'll be talking about magic and
ancestral worship for thosethat are curious about that, so
we're going to get straight intoit.
Man, for those quick questionwhat is ancestral worship and
how does it differ from simplyremembering the ancestors?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
All right.
There's two aspects to this.
The first aspect is thatnormally, when a person passes,
they are what is called a deadrelative, unless you have an
altar set up for them, whichthen makes them a living
ancestor.
(01:16):
So the importance is some typeof altar for remembrance in
which that you pour libationsdaily, some give fruit as an
offering, burn incense, havecandles, a white cloth over the
(01:40):
table, have coinage such ascopper, gold, silver, et cetera,
in order for induction.
They also have pictures Of theindividual Of the time in which
(02:00):
that was on planet Earth, youknow.
So those are things in whichthat was on planet Earth, so
those are things in which thatnormally takes place in order to
make a dead relative a livingancestor.
So that's the science, and whatI mean by living ancestor is I
(02:22):
give a good example.
I had a good example.
I had a cousin All right, infact, my first cousin.
He got killed.
He was in Brooklyn robbing astealer and a white man killed
him.
Now, normally, under thosecircumstances, you know, they
(02:48):
just a dead relative, but theancestors kept me thinking about
him and so I set up an altar, Igot a picture of him when we
was little, you know, and wehugging each other, and I cut
the picture in half and I hadhis picture on the altar,
everything that I just told you.
(03:09):
I had set up on my altar andburnt some candles, some incense
and had a glass of water.
Alright, you also have to havewater.
Let me say that as a conduit.
And the science was is that myhigher self, all right, came to
(03:35):
me, took me from out my body andtook me to his graduation of
becoming a living ancestor, nolonger a dead relative?
And what happened was is that Iseen him.
It was like a soul train lineand the ancestors were standing
(03:57):
on both sides and they wascheering him as he came down.
He was real nervous, he wasreluctant.
He came down.
He was real nervous, he wasreluctant, he didn't know what
was going on, but in his hands,his arms, he had clothing in
which that, you know, wasdifferent than the clothing in
which that he had on.
(04:18):
And I was trying to talk to himand I was like Tim Tim Tim and I
was like Tim Tim Tim and myhigher self slash guide.
I guess you could say, I won'tsay higher self, I'll say guide.
Yeah, told me telepathicallythat he can't hear you, so I
(04:43):
started fussing at the guide.
It was like then what the hellyou bring me here for you know
cause that don't make no sense.
You know you're going to bringme to see him, but I can't talk
to him, you know.
And so you know, understood, Iquiet down and and just watch.
(05:05):
You know, I understood, I quietdown.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And just watched, I got you.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And so as he started coming down, you know the line,
you know, in between theancestors, they was cheering.
It was like, yeah, you know,and it was just cheering for him
, and everybody was dressed insome type of native indigenous
garb and he had in his hands,arms, some type of indigenous
(05:32):
garb, you know.
So that was an aspect ofbecause of me recognizing him,
you know, and thinking about himand pouring libations daily for
him.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Can't forget that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Right and just doing ritual ceremonies for him, and
so I was able to get a chance tosee that, you know, to
participate in that some way,you know, and once he became a
living ancestor, he was able tohelp me.
(06:12):
So, back in 2016, I had acavernoma, which was set off by
a flea fogger.
Off by a flea fogger.
We had some puppies that endedup having fleas.
We had to set it off in thehouse, ended up spraying myself
(06:34):
in the face.
I was out for three, four daysBefore that happened.
He was trying to warn me.
He warned me that Wednesday, hewarned me that Thursday.
(06:58):
And how I know that is becausehe came through a sister and the
sister called me from out ofRichmond Virginia.
Sister, and the sister calledme from out of Richmond Virginia
and she was like not out ofVirginia, out of Norfolk
Virginia.
And she called me and she waslike yo, your cousin Tim, is
trying to contact you.
And I was like for what?
You know what's going on.
(07:19):
They say he's trying to warnyou.
You know, boom.
So he got in contact thatWednesday and that Thursday it
happened that Friday.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you're saying like a freak, a freak accident
occurred with you, right it?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
was a freak accident.
Well, he was trying to warn meof the freak accident.
Now she told me too that it wasgoing to happen or it might
happen.
However, I was going to bealright, you know, and so you
know, but the fact is that, as aliving ancestor, they can come
(07:59):
on your behalf.
Now, that's the point that I'mtrying to make as a dead
relative.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They can't come on your behalf so, basically, the
dead relative is one that you donot venerate, like, give light
to and honor to, if you don'tset up an altar or whatsoever
exactly to honor them and youneed the conduits of copper,
water and the elements.
All right, so we, we got intothat as far as like ancestral
worship.
So when we speak of magic, andfor those who like to know,
(08:26):
that's spelled with M-A-G-I-C-K.
Right, what is the?
How do we?
What is it?
What are the differencesbetween serial ceremonial magic
and folk magic?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
All right, folk magic is more loose loose.
It's magic in which that dealswith spells, in which that,
oftentimes, if you're part of acovenant or part of a group, or
you know you all come up withyour own affirmations.
(08:58):
You know, ceremonial magic issomething in which that you
follow once um, for example, thegolden dawn yeah you know
that's ceremonial magic.
You know, they draw, uh, fivepointed stars in the air or they
(09:20):
um, say certain words or spells.
You, they cast spells, orwhatever the case is.
Masons do the same thing, aswell, as OTO, aa, rosicrucians,
astoria, you know, I can go onwith the so-called secret
(09:46):
societies, but they do the samething, you know.
So that's really is the scienceof magic.
Ceremonial magic is that youjoin a group in which they
already have their magic in play, already have their magic in
(10:08):
play, and you just repeat, youknow the magic or ceremony or
rituals in which that they havealready collected and already
said, okay, this works, and sofollow me.
And so they do things in whichthat already is concrete within
their mental.
You know, because, really,remember, we was already told
(10:29):
within the book by the threeinitiates called the Kabbalion
that, yeah, mentalism.
You know, the all is mine andeverything is mental.
The universe is mental, youknow.
So that's really is the science.
(10:50):
The mind is the magic wand andwe talk about five states of
consciousness within a 5%teaching.
You know we talking about lifeconsciousness.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know we talking about about life consciousness.
Yes, you know, we're talkingabout what is called
consciousness.
We're talking aboutsubconsciousness, super
consciousness, magneticconsciousness and infinite
consciousness.
So those are the five states ofconsciousness which correlates
to the five levels in psychology.
(11:25):
You know, you get beta state,or you know gamma state, beta
state, you get delta state, youget delta, theta state, you know
.
So those states correlate.
That's how it is, you know.
(11:45):
So those states correlate.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's how it is, you know.
So it's basically yeah, it'sbased on, like as your
intentions and what you chooseto reverberate to right.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
it's mental magic or mental force rather, got you and
see what is even more powerfulthan the mind, 5,000 times more
powerful than the mind, isactually the heart, because the
magnetic field of the heart ismore powerful than that of the
(12:13):
mind.
So you have to set yourintentions in the heart.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You say rhythmatic.
So you know, for the listenersand viewers we will be going
back and forth with with magicand ancestral worship because
you know, believe it or not, itgoes hand in hand.
Yes, it does yes this is whatwe chose it, so we want to go
into this like.
Next question I have is how dodifferent traditions view the
(12:45):
elements earth, air, fire, water, spirit and magic?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Basically, they tie all of that together.
That's a good avatar, and weall see Aung from Avatar and the
mastery of air, earth, water,fire.
And when you combine those fourelements, you make the fifth
element, which is ether.
No coincidence that in theearly 1900s they took ether from
(13:20):
off of the periodical chart.
At one time it was there.
So ether is where you get freeenergy from that Nikola Tesla
was talking about.
Ether exists.
Well, ether exists.
That's what we call akasha.
All right, ether is alsoreferred to as astral light.
(13:44):
Astral light is also called chi, or, within Chinese tradition,
is also called ki.
Within Japanese traditionWithin the Hawaiian teachings is
called mana.
Within the Christian traditionsis called Holy Ghost or Holy
(14:09):
Spirit.
Within the German traditionsit's called Varel.
Within ancient Egyptianmysteries it's called Ra you
know ancient Egyptian mysteries,is called Ra, so we can go on
(14:30):
with the comparisons.
But this energy is what youutilize if one practice real
magic, which oftentimes comes byway of practicing Qigong, tai
Chi, reiki, pranic, healing andthese magical arts.
And I say magical because youare actually being aware of
(14:53):
drawing this energy intoyourself and allowing for this
energy to be the magic in whichthat that only regulates your
body but also regulates yourmind that's a fact and also I'm
glad that you said that it's tap.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know drawing it in, but it's also within
yourself, one to you know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Basically, right, you have a line with the universe.
Right, you have prenatal energywhich is produced by your
mother and father already.
You know in which that.
That's the energy in which thatyou are born with.
You know, if the energy is highenough, that's, that's a good
thing.
But to produce additionalenergy you have to come by way
(15:36):
of practice and right.
You have to develop it, andthat's what a good magician does
, or Magi does.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Got you, got you.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So like I want to say for instance I got this
question right here is whattools are commonly used in magic
and what are their purposes.
In magic you can use sigils,which are symbols, like for, for
example, in Reiki there'sseveral symbols, alright,
depending on which Reiki systemyou go into, but in Yushi or
(16:19):
Ushi Reiki, there's four symbols.
You have what is calledChokurei, seheki, honshishonen
and Dekomeyo, and sometimes,well, oftentimes, after the
two-minute, you use a fifthsymbol, which is Raku.
(16:40):
So these symbols tap into thevarious bodies of your essence.
For example, chokure taps intoyour physical body, seheki taps
into your emotional, mental body, honshichi, shonen is the
distant healing symbol, andDekomeo taps into your spiritual
(17:02):
soul, body and raku symbolizesthe grounding symbol.
So these are symbols in whichthat oftentimes, you can tap
into as a good magician or magi.
(17:34):
Magician or magi, um.
So you also have amulets um,bracelets, necklaces, stones,
right stones or crystals, um, asthey refer to it as um.
You know it can be a coin, youknow, that's conductive, you
know, such as, once again,copper, silver, gold, platinum,
whatever the case is, and we cango on and on, you know.
(17:57):
So those are some things inwhich that a magician or magi
uses in order to help facilitateand conduct more power.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I got you and I wanted to add, for those who are
curious to learn about, youknow, connecting with your
ancestors through altars orgetting involved with ceremonial
magic.
It's not a straight and openpath.
A lot of people are going toassume I just pick up books and
assume that it's going to not astraight and open path.
But a lot of people can assumeI just pick up books and assume
that it's going to be a straightand narrow path.
(18:28):
No, there is hurdles You'll gothrough is the zigzag.
It's not a straight and narrowway because it's.
Basically.
My experiences were differentfrom yours, so it's what you
make of it and what you pick up,and keeping a journal to keep
track of what's happening aroundyou, what changes, and you know
it's different.
(18:49):
Just, let's just put it likethat.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
So I like to know or that who do with more laid back
in.
You can do various systems.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
That's in the magic field called hoodoo.
So you can do, you can take theteachings of the Voodun, the
Ifa, yoruba, congo, such as PaloMayombe and various other Congo
traditions, et cetera, andcombine, or I recommend getting
(19:28):
initiated into one of thosevarious systems or more, because
initiation also helps withfacilitating um energy, that
astral light that we talkedabout, that chi or ki energy.
You know, I know um.
(19:49):
When I went through umfreemasonry and I went through
um the morris, right when didour ritual, I was geek because I
was feeling the energy I waslike oh shit, you know, it's
(20:10):
real, you know, so you can feelit, you know.
I recommend definitely doingthat because it helps to
definitely put you on point andmake you realize how much you
are in touch with energiesoutside of yourself you know,
(20:31):
and how to utilize thoseenergies once you internalize
them.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So I have a question for those who don't want to go
through initiation right and I'mnot right To each their own
right, because there are peoplethat say they can become aligned
and in contact with theirhigher self through, like proper
meditation, diet whatsoever,but also connect with those
deities of those practices.
Is that possible without goingthrough the formal initiation?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, there's possibilities of getting
initiated on the spiritual planeyes or astral plane as we refer
to it as yes, um, my teacher,sannyata saraswati, grandmaster
sannyata saraswati, who wrotethe book jewel in a lotus, he
told us specifically that, um,we can go through four stages of
(21:20):
the Cobra breath.
The other three would be givento us on the astral plane.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I got you Shout out to the chat Peace to Shawnee and
peace to Linky.
We see you, appreciate you forlogging in.
This brother said right here, areal book, one of his books the
First World Order, changed myLife 18 Years Ago.
Was that something that you'vewritten?
That you have written?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yes, yes, that's my first book.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Got you, got you, got you.
Salute, salute to that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I got to find a copy of that man, do you have it on
your website?
Yes, and this is my other bookhere.
You can see it.
One of my other books theDivine of Akhenaten.
This is the book in which Italk about the occult magic that
we're talking about right nowgot you, so I'd like to know
(22:12):
this was a good one right here.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
What is the difference between ancestral
worship and necromancy?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
necromancy.
Necromancy once again dealswith dead relatives.
Okay, so there's no necessaryaltar that's set up within
necromancy.
(22:43):
There's talk of the person butnot necessarily something
concrete in which that they'retied to.
Okay, yeah, that's thedifference.
You need something.
See, you have the lefthemisphere of the brain, you
have the right hemisphere of thebrain.
The left hemisphere of thebrain needs something concrete,
needs something substantial,needs something physical In
(23:05):
order to understand the ritual,the ceremony.
The right hemisphere of thebrain is abstract, it's holistic
.
It doesn't necessarily needanything physical.
Okay, it doesn't necessarilyneed anything physical, okay.
(23:25):
So you want to tap into thatleft hemisphere in order to open
and activate the righthemisphere, cause that's really
is the way of a Magi, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So, right there, way of a magi, you know.
So it's so.
Oh man, for those who arelearning, like you know, I'm
still in a.
I'm still a I'm a lifelongstudent of this stuff.
So, as you say, to be a magiyou gotta like be one in nature,
be one with yourself, be honestwith yourself, and a great
guide is to you know.
Meditation and some books likethe kabbalion will really teach
you, like the, the bareessentials of what it is what to
(24:10):
look for within yourself.
So the question I have for youis this one how can one create
his or his or her own sigil andcharge it?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
okay, now that's a good one, all right, yeah,
normally sigils are given to youthrough the dream world yes
because you're tapping intowhat's called akashic records.
The akashic records are the eth,every thought in which that we
have ever had permeates theetheric field of the planet
(24:43):
earth.
When you go to sleep at night,you go into that etheric field,
referred to as the astral plane,and the word astral means star
plane.
So you go to the stars plane,so you go into the, you go to
the stars.
(25:04):
All right, you go to heaven andyou are there and you can
collect those types of symbolsor sigils in order to um bring
back here, um to earth forhealing experience or some type
of experience in which that youchoose, um, I just prefer a
healing experience, um,manifestation, attraction.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You know, those are the experiences that you really
want and need so with that rightthere, that's like whatever you
see, like if it's actually ifyou, if it's received correct,
kabbalah says within thehyperspace, astral, you know,
astral world.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's just, that's your own personal, personal
thing that you right, right now,you can share those symbols and
others can um gravitate towardsthose symbols, you know, like
the six-pointed star.
Yeah, you know, somebody cameup with.
Okay, that means, as above, sobelow yeah all right.
(26:04):
Oh, now you got a whole groupof people wearing a six-pointed
star, a whole culture around thesix-pointed star.
I mean, even converts arerocking the six pointed star.
You know I am yeah.
(26:26):
But, yeah, Exactly so.
So that's, that's, that'sreally is the science, you know,
and that actually makes thesymbol more potent.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's a fact.
That's what they call building.
It creates an Edgar car Right.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So with that, like we , we we got into, like you know,
some small pieces of ceremony,magic and ancestral worship.
So, if one person has aquestion where they say, like I
like to cast a a spell, but Idon't know how to cast a spell
and, for instance, the onlything they say that I have a
candle.
What color candle should I usefor my intentions?
(27:07):
Yeah I invoke what should I dolike?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
how would you?
Candle symbolizes the chakrasystem the rainbow in particular
.
So as above, so below, so below,as within, so without.
So red would be energy, orangewould be nurturing, yellow would
be intelligence, green would behealing, blue would be
(27:32):
communication, indigo would bepsychic healing and violet would
be spirituality.
So you know whatever you want.
For example, let's say green.
Well, okay, green also is thecolor of money, so you can
(27:54):
utilize the color green not justfor healing but also to bring
money into your life.
You know to bring substanceinto your life.
You know to bring balance intoyour life, harmony.
You know compassion, so forthand so on.
(28:15):
So it's based on your intention.
Once you have that particularcolor, and, of course, just
simply by putting your hands,let's say a candle, put your
hands on the candle, you'regenerating a thought form, all
right, and you put in thatenergy into that candle.
(28:37):
You putting that energy intothat candle, and that candle is
going to permeate that thoughtform that you produce.
You know, once you light it,it's going to burn with that
intention so is it possible.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So that's basically all right.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So we say what candles transforming um
mentalization right, becauseeverything you touch leave an
organ residue.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yes, In fact, that's a fact, so that's why it's
important.
They say, when doing theserituals, you have to verify your
tools before working.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Right.
That's why you, that's why,within the traditions of Islam,
you do voodoo.
You wash up before you makeprayer.
You wash up before you touchthe Quran.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So purify.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Purify.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
The Bible tells you clean way.
Cleanliness is next togodliness.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That's important, that's true, you know, you know
for traditions, I know.
So you know, for traditions Iknow they use Florida water,
sometimes a little salt waterRight right.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right Purification through fire Right Words and
such so there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I want to say by trying to, I don't want to
violate certain principlesonline by some people like me
too much, but it's so real,alright, how can one go, like
you know, creating your ownEgregore right.
So say if I'm a newbie to thisright?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm listening or I'm watching a show right now and
they want to get involved insomething like this Outside of
becoming initiated.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
What kind of books would you give them?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
My book the Divine Hymns of Agnate occult powers.
Um, I recommend my book asnumber one because it's easy to
read.
You got pictures, you know.
I know my people, they're notreading no book without some
(30:36):
right.
Right ain't reading no bookwithout no pitches, yo, you know
that's just too much.
So you know we got pitches onevery, nearly every page.
You know that you can read, youknow, and it's, it's real easy
to read.
So I recommend my book.
Ceremonial Magic is anotherbook that I recommend.
(30:58):
That's part of the Golden Dawntraditions.
Um, uh Israel regarding rightIsrael regarding right Exactly
Um Magician, um the CompleteBook of Magician, um I read of
of magic, excuse me, yeah, thecomplete book of magic and also
(31:21):
the magician, those two books,as well as also an s spelled
with a k.
Magician um also jewel in thelotus, taking it from a tantric
um kriya yoga perspective sexmagic.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh wow, that's deep right there.
You know that would scare somepeople right there.
That's sexy.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Well, it might scare them, but it's it's.
It's something in which thatthey do and want to do every day
.
So why not make a um, a ritualceremony out of it?
You know and manifest whaty'all want of it.
You know and manifest whatyou're wanting in life.
You know, attract that, whatyou need in life.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You know, it just makes sense All right.
So, like you say, you advisewhat you recommend right.
So are there certain aspects inlife that changes when one
become aligned with the universe, virtually like diet.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Circle of friends may change, yes yes, because as you
go into a different level ofconsciousness or a deeper level
of consciousness, higher levelof consciousness, however you
want to say it, awareness, youmove away from those who just
talk to those in which theyactually do.
(32:46):
Because we talk about, when youtalk about magic, that's
something that you have to do.
That's not talking, you know.
That's just not.
You know, casting a spell, youknow, just talking.
You know you have to do somethings Once again.
An altar, sigils or symbols,your amulets, your, you know all
(33:13):
of these things have to be putin place, at least starting out,
are just tools, you know, onceyour mind has mastered, you no
longer need those tools.
You know.
But you have to get to thepoint of mind mastery once again
, utilizing the left brain toactivate and open the right
(33:34):
brain, you know, to become moreholistic like I have a question
and we're not here to start withnobody.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
But I have seen on social media a lot of
self-proclaimed kings and queensof certain African traditional
systems that are onlineproclaiming that their work is
the best Right.
Or you know they're initiatingpeople, they're offering
services online and you know toeach their own People found ways
(34:07):
to generate revenue with thesethings.
Right, but do you think likesomehow this culture became a
kind of like, let's say, mockery?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Um, yes, well, let me put it this way, I was with
Bobby since, Bobby Hemmett since94, 95 and Brother Panic since
2004.
Since 2004.
And I can tell you right now,most of them never even heard of
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the Congo, rites or Magic orIfa or Yoruba.
They might have heard of voodoo.
They might have heard of voodoo, you know, but they Everybody
heard of voodoo, you know, butthey never heard of Voodan, you
know.
They definitely never heardthat.
It came from Benin.
You know traditions or whateverthe case is, so they have
(35:15):
popularized it, but they haven'tlearned the true system,
because that comes only by wayof initiation.
You know, like you stated, alot of them are pretenders when
(35:38):
it comes to these type ofsciences.
They don't teach you nothingabout absorption of energy,
activation of kundalini.
You know the chakra system.
They don't tell you what theseven African powers really mean
and how the seven Africanpowers correlate to the seven
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chakras.
You know, for example, like theroot chakras, ishu and Legba,
the Lord of the Crossroads.
You know the trickster and youget tricked.
Now, trying to think with yourdick, you get tricked With the
click and the dick, you gettricked.
You know what I'm saying.
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You can.
So that's why Ishu and Legbasymbolizes the color red.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
You carry your horse break there as well too.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's Ishu and Legba you know.
So I can go up all the way to abatala, which symbolizes the
crown chakra you know white.
And then we go into Olodumare,which symbolizes the oversoul.
So we talk about the sevenAfrican powers going into the
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oversoul.
So the seven African powers, ofcourse we know, is Ishu, olegba
, ogun, shango, oya, emia, um,oh yeah, um, what he said, oh um
, I'm missing somebody, you know.
So we know that those sevenAfrican powers tap into the
(37:20):
oversoul, which is Odulumare,which that's what Odulumare
symbolizes.
So we have to understand thatthe seven African powers, or the
seven chakras, or the sevenElohim, as they are called
within the Bible, Messengers.
(37:42):
Right, right, right right.
It's the same signs over andover again, but it's not being
explained like this.
They got us thinking that it'sjust something outside of
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, you know, and that's a problem like this.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
They got us thinking that it's just something outside
of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, you know, and that's a problem it's really
within every, everything youknow that they speak of in the
bible, like people we know howpowerful.
Yeah, we know that.
You know christianity washanded down from slavery and
such and such the bible.
But if you know that book isbasically metaphorical Right and
it's a book of spells,especially the book of lamps,
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psalms, psalms.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Book of lamps.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You know candle magic and such and such that you can
do and you know as you mentioned.
What was that oh?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
shoot, or called powers of Psalms.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Exactly, definitely, you can, it powers of songs?
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, exactly, definitely you can't use it for.
And you know I love talkingabout stuff like this because
this is like you know, we canhave all the knowledge of you
know, the you know, knowledge ofself, of knowing that you're
black, knowing your history,mores, whatever, but also know
that there are esotericteachings that went along with
that Exactly that we tend toneglect sometimes.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, that's dope man .
So, like another thing I wantedto ask you right is how can one
know that the intentional spellis working or not?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
A good way is through candle magic.
You can look at the flame, youcan look at the If you burn it
in a glass, the candle in aglass.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I got a candle right here.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, yeah, right now you don't have a glass, but if
you burn it it will make shape,a shape or a picture onto
whatever it is, and you cananalyze the picture of that
shape and figure out what it istrying to tell you.
You know, but the flames, thecrackling of the candle, if the
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flame turns blue, if it burnshigh, if it burns low, there's
various sciences.
Now, if it burns low, then thatmeans that you need more energy
towards that.
You have to do more work beforeit can manifest.
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If it burns high, then theancestors or the angels have
heard your prayer.
It burns fast.
They quickly doing what theyneed to do for you.
If it burns real slow, there'sresistance.
Now, if you got a glass, now,if it's black around the top,
(40:40):
around the glass and it's black,then you definitely got
opposition and you gotnegativity in which that is
being thrown or cast at you.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Which means you're in horror right.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Right, right, you have to cleanse the aura.
Right, right, right, right.
All got to.
You need to cleanse, you know,and of course you can get a book
called Spiritual Cleansing inwhich that you can.
One of the rituals in there isto take an egg and go through
your auric field, because yourauric field is shaped like an
egg and you can go through yourauric field and you have three
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levels of the auric field,because your auric field is
shaped like an egg and you cango through your auric field and
you have three levels of theauric field.
You have your outer auric field, your health auric field and
your inner auric field.
So you can take an egg and gothrough your body on the outside
of it, you know, and then takeall the negativity off of you
(41:36):
and then throw the egg out, youknow, and crack it, or whatever
the case is.
That's one of the rituals.
You can take a spiritualcleansing bath with various
herbs such as rosemary,frankincense, myrrh geranium
(41:59):
People listen, he's robbing gyms.
You know.
So these are just some of thethings that you can do.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
All right, and that's great, and for those, because
we know that you know there aretimes that people may have to go
to like richwood botanicalstore to get you know certain
herbs or certain you knowcandles whatsoever.
So, to add on to what Dr Lim'ssaying, you can even go to the
beach, man, and collect some seawater.
Make sure you leave some changebehind what you're taking and
(42:32):
just take that sea water you canuse it as well.
The ancestors will takesomething from you exactly
because we people may call itspookism, but energy is real.
Wherever we go, as you said, weleave imprints and we also
collect people's energy thatcome around us.
It could be information, ahandshake.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
The earth is living imprints and we also collect
people's energy that come aroundus.
You know what I'm saying.
It could be information.
You know a handshake.
The earth is living.
Yeah, the planet earth is aliving entity.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Everything is connected.
We are connected, you know.
We have to realize that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Definitely, definitely, definitely,
definitely.
We know with that.
That's one tool, so I can one.
Like we spoke, we speak.
We spoke about cleansing youraura.
When can doing serialceremonial magic or ancestral
worship backfire on you?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
um, when you have bad thoughts, negative thoughts,
you negate your intention.
Even if you have a good,positive intention and you doubt
it, you just negate what youset forth and it's not going to
work.
If you set an intention, youhave to keep that positive
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thought in your mind saying it'sgoing to work.
You know, if you doubt it, thenit's not going to work and you
just negated it and you need tomove on.
You know, do another ritual orrecast or whatever the case is,
but you just did a negativething as far as your mental is
(44:16):
concerned.
Remember mentalism.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
The universe is mental.
And within your book, as youput it, do you actually guide
people to certain rituals inthere?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yes, I do.
I take them through Psalms andexplain what each Psalm means.
You know all 150 Psalms and howyou can utilize those Psalms
for various purposes, like, forexample, psalm 7 and 11 is for
(45:01):
court situations, eight is formoney situation.
One and two Psalms is forremoving negativity, you know,
or negating somebody who mighthave cast negative energy at you
(45:24):
.
You know a hex, you know orspell.
Right, right right or spellRight right right, so we can go
through all 150 of them andbreak that down.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
You know, yeah, got you, got you.
So that's pretty dope, and wecould find your book on your
website, right?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yes, it's on my website, divine School of
Igniting, and I got a new bookthat's out too.
That's my.
I guess you could say that'sthe second book.
This is the new one.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
What is it?
Planetary Genesis.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I can't see.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
The light is blocking it, it's a glare.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Let's see, let's see.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Human extraterrestrial origin.
Okay, you ain't playing outhere.
Huh, stargate DNA, right, allright, definitely, dr.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, it was talking about the Anunnaki.
Talk about the Anunnaki.
Yeah, they always talk aboutthe Anunnaki.
Well, the Anunnaki are abyproduct of the Syrians, so I
get more into the Syrianmysteries, you know in that book
because they're who are theNomos you know in that book,
(46:55):
compared to just the Anunnaki,in which that everybody is
talking about now, the Anunnaki,nubiru, the Anunnaki, dr York,
teachings prior to him,zachariah sentient, stiches, you
know.
So they just, you know, goingcrazy now with you know, with
(47:18):
the Anunnaki thing.
So I had to put everything inperspective and how the Syrian
beings seeded this planetbillions of years ago and the
Anunnaki just got here 400,000years ago.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And that ties into what I magic as well.
What magic and all that.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Well, it ties into the fact that they gave us
systems, for example, theso-called fallen angels, as they
refer to them as gave theNephilim Well, the Nephilim was
the children.
Gave the Nephilim, well, theNephilim was the children.
So you know.
But the so-called fallen angels, they gave us the system of how
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to make weapons, how to castspells, how to purify and
beautify ourselves, how to doall these types of things in
which that humanity still doestoday.
(48:21):
They taught us these things.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I got you.
Definitely we have to reconnectmore, to go more in depth with
this ancestral worship and magicthings.
We've got to get you back onhere, go more in depth with this
.
You know, ancestral worship andmagic and magic things.
Like when you've got to get youback on here.
For those, those who agree withthis show, who want to see a
part two or three, you know, hit, hit the like.
Share this comment.
You know, comment Cause, alimBay, there's a lot that we want
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to get into but we just don'twant to step on toes, toes,
right, right and reveal too much.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
But it's important man, are there any courses that
you offering outside, outside ofbooks?
Yeah, yeah, they can go to mywebsite, dralimelbaycom, and go
to um, um, the educational, umhealing or medical healing, um
section, and they'll find.
In the healing section they'llfind Reiki, qigong, tai Chi,
(49:20):
pranic Healing, and offer allthese courses every day, weekly.
The herbs are there.
Yes, we teach you herbalism, weteach you candle magic, if
that's what you're looking for,so forth and so on.
(49:43):
Whatever you want to learn,that's what we're there to teach
.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
And I gotta look into that book before we shoot up
out of here.
I want to thank you, Dr AlimBey man, for coming through.
Brother, yeah, no problem, andI got to look into that book
before we shoot up out of here.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I want to thank you, dr Alim Bey man, for coming
through, brother.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, no problem, and I appreciate you for always,
you know, being there and beingsupportive of NYP.
Salute to you, brother.
Salute to y'all.
I'm glad y'all keeping thisgoing.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Huh, What'd you say?
I said I'm glad y'all keepingthis going.
I know man.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Listen, that's the goal, man.
They want to see us fail.
Shout out to my brother, Ron.
You know, for those who don'tknow, Ron out there putting in
that work man, this time, Ron,be like yo, brother, come on.
You know, Brother's putting inwork out there.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Salute to us for real man.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Because you know Too bad.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Too bad, it's not going to happen.
We here to stay.
Shout out to all the gueststhat have been on the show we
appreciate your contribution tothis conscious community, your
work that you put in out here.
You've been out here for aminute, brother.
Oh yeah, you know what I'msaying, so we salute you.
And for those who want to checkout his books, check out
DrAlimbeycom.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
That's D-R dot com as d r a l I m e l b b e y dot com
.
All right, and we out.
Peace, my brother peace.
peace, world, peace, world.
How you doing.
It's your brother, mikey fever.
Nyp talk show.
We are live.
Apologies for the delay, butyou know we make it up for that.
Tonight we have the legendBrother, dr Aleem Faye.
Welcome my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Appreciate you, God Thanks.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yep, and tonight we'll be talking about magic and
ancestral worship for thosethat are curious about that, so
we're going to get straight intoit.
Man, for those quick questionwhat is ancestral worship and
how does it differ from simplyremembering the ancestors?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
All right.
There's two aspects to this.
The first aspect is thatnormally, when a person passes,
they are what is called a deadrelative, unless you have an
altar set up for them, whichthen makes them a living
ancestor.
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So the importance is some typeof altar for remembrance in
which that you pour libationsdaily, some give fruit as an
offering, burn incense, havecandles, a white cloth over the
(01:40):
table, have coinage such ascopper, gold, silver, et cetera,
in order for induction.
They also have pictures Of theindividual Of the time in which
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that was on planet Earth, youknow.
So those are things in whichthat was on planet Earth, so
those are things in which thatnormally takes place in order to
make a dead relative a livingancestor.
So that's the science, and whatI mean by living ancestor is I
(02:22):
give a good example.
I had a good example.
I had a cousin All right, infact, my first cousin.
He got killed.
He was in Brooklyn robbing astealer and a white man killed
him.
Now, normally, under thosecircumstances, you know, they
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just a dead relative, but theancestors kept me thinking about
him and so I set up an altar, Igot a picture of him when we
was little, you know, and wehugging each other, and I cut
the picture in half and I hadhis picture on the altar,
everything that I just told you.
(03:09):
I had set up on my altar andburnt some candles, some incense
and had a glass of water.
Alright, you also have to havewater.
Let me say that as a conduit.
And the science was is that myhigher self, all right, came to
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me, took me from out my body andtook me to his graduation of
becoming a living ancestor, nolonger a dead relative?
And what happened was is that Iseen him.
It was like a soul train lineand the ancestors were standing
(03:57):
on both sides and they wascheering him as he came down.
He was real nervous, he wasreluctant.
He came down.
He was real nervous, he wasreluctant, he didn't know what
was going on, but in his hands,his arms, he had clothing in
which that, you know, wasdifferent than the clothing in
which that he had on.
(04:18):
And I was trying to talk to himand I was like Tim Tim Tim and I
was like Tim Tim Tim and myhigher self slash guide.
I guess you could say, I won'tsay higher self, I'll say guide.
Yeah, told me telepathicallythat he can't hear you, so I
(04:43):
started fussing at the guide.
It was like then what the hellyou bring me here for you know
cause that don't make no sense.
You know you're going to bringme to see him, but I can't talk
to him, you know.
And so you know, understood, Iquiet down and and just watch.
(05:05):
You know, I understood, I quietdown.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And just watched, I got you.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And so as he started coming down, you know the line,
you know, in between theancestors, they was cheering.
It was like, yeah, you know,and it was just cheering for him
, and everybody was dressed insome type of native indigenous
garb and he had in his hands,arms, some type of indigenous
(05:32):
garb, you know.
So that was an aspect ofbecause of me recognizing him,
you know, and thinking about himand pouring libations daily for
him.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Can't forget that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Right and just doing ritual ceremonies for him, and
so I was able to get a chance tosee that, you know, to
participate in that some way,you know, and once he became a
living ancestor, he was able tohelp me.
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So, back in 2016, I had acavernoma, which was set off by
a flea fogger.
Off by a flea fogger.
We had some puppies that endedup having fleas.
We had to set it off in thehouse, ended up spraying myself
(06:34):
in the face.
I was out for three, four daysBefore that happened.
He was trying to warn me.
He warned me that Wednesday, hewarned me that Thursday.
(06:58):
And how I know that is becausehe came through a sister and the
sister called me from out ofRichmond Virginia.
Sister, and the sister calledme from out of Richmond Virginia
and she was like not out ofVirginia, out of Norfolk
Virginia.
And she called me and she waslike yo, your cousin Tim, is
trying to contact you.
And I was like for what?
You know what's going on.
(07:19):
They say he's trying to warnyou.
You know, boom.
So he got in contact thatWednesday and that Thursday it
happened that Friday.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you're saying like a freak, a freak accident
occurred with you, right it?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
was a freak accident.
Well, he was trying to warn meof the freak accident.
Now she told me too that it wasgoing to happen or it might
happen.
However, I was going to bealright, you know, and so you
know, but the fact is that, as aliving ancestor, they can come
(07:59):
on your behalf.
Now, that's the point that I'mtrying to make as a dead
relative.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They can't come on your behalf so, basically, the
dead relative is one that you donot venerate, like, give light
to and honor to, if you don'tset up an altar or whatsoever
exactly to honor them and youneed the conduits of copper,
water and the elements.
All right, so we, we got intothat as far as like ancestral
worship.
So when we speak of magic, andfor those who like to know,
(08:26):
that's spelled with M-A-G-I-C-K.
Right, what is the?
How do we?
What is it?
What are the differencesbetween serial ceremonial magic
and folk magic?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
All right, folk magic is more loose loose.
It's magic in which that dealswith spells, in which that,
oftentimes, if you're part of acovenant or part of a group, or
you know you all come up withyour own affirmations.
(08:58):
You know, ceremonial magic issomething in which that you
follow once um, for example, thegolden dawn yeah you know
that's ceremonial magic.
You know, they draw, uh, fivepointed stars in the air or they
(09:20):
um, say certain words or spells.
You, they cast spells, orwhatever the case is.
Masons do the same thing, aswell, as OTO, aa, rosicrucians,
astoria, you know, I can go onwith the so-called secret
(09:46):
societies, but they do the samething, you know.
So that's really is the scienceof magic.
Ceremonial magic is that youjoin a group in which they
already have their magic in play, already have their magic in
(10:08):
play, and you just repeat, youknow the magic or ceremony or
rituals in which that they havealready collected and already
said, okay, this works, and sofollow me.
And so they do things in whichthat already is concrete within
their mental.
You know, because, really,remember, we was already told
(10:29):
within the book by the threeinitiates called the Kabbalion
that, yeah, mentalism.
You know, the all is mine andeverything is mental.
The universe is mental, youknow.
So that's really is the science.
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The mind is the magic wand andwe talk about five states of
consciousness within a 5%teaching.
You know we talking about lifeconsciousness.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know we talking about about life consciousness.
Yes, you know, we're talkingabout what is called
consciousness.
We're talking aboutsubconsciousness, super
consciousness, magneticconsciousness and infinite
consciousness.
So those are the five states ofconsciousness which correlates
to the five levels in psychology.
(11:25):
You know, you get beta state,or you know gamma state, beta
state, you get delta state, youget delta, theta state, you know
.
So those states correlate.
That's how it is, you know.
(11:45):
So those states correlate.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's how it is, you know.
So it's basically yeah, it'sbased on, like as your
intentions and what you chooseto reverberate to right.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
it's mental magic or mental force rather, got you and
see what is even more powerfulthan the mind, 5,000 times more
powerful than the mind, isactually the heart, because the
magnetic field of the heart ismore powerful than that of the
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mind.
So you have to set yourintentions in the heart.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You say rhythmatic.
So you know, for the listenersand viewers we will be going
back and forth with with magicand ancestral worship because
you know, believe it or not, itgoes hand in hand.
Yes, it does yes this is whatwe chose it, so we want to go
into this like.
Next question I have is how dodifferent traditions view the
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elements earth, air, fire, water, spirit and magic?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Basically, they tie all of that together.
That's a good avatar, and weall see Aung from Avatar and the
mastery of air, earth, water,fire.
And when you combine those fourelements, you make the fifth
element, which is ether.
No coincidence that in theearly 1900s they took ether from
(13:20):
off of the periodical chart.
At one time it was there.
So ether is where you get freeenergy from that Nikola Tesla
was talking about.
Ether exists.
Well, ether exists.
That's what we call akasha.
All right, ether is alsoreferred to as astral light.
(13:44):
Astral light is also called chi, or, within Chinese tradition,
is also called ki.
Within Japanese traditionWithin the Hawaiian teachings is
called mana.
Within the Christian traditionsis called Holy Ghost or Holy
(14:09):
Spirit.
Within the German traditionsit's called Varel.
Within ancient Egyptianmysteries it's called Ra you
know ancient Egyptian mysteries,is called Ra, so we can go on
(14:30):
with the comparisons.
But this energy is what youutilize if one practice real
magic, which oftentimes comes byway of practicing Qigong, tai
Chi, reiki, pranic, healing andthese magical arts.
And I say magical because youare actually being aware of
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drawing this energy intoyourself and allowing for this
energy to be the magic in whichthat that only regulates your
body but also regulates yourmind that's a fact and also I'm
glad that you said that it's tap.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know drawing it in, but it's also within
yourself, one to you know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Basically, right, you have a line with the universe.
Right, you have prenatal energywhich is produced by your
mother and father already.
You know in which that.
That's the energy in which thatyou are born with.
You know, if the energy is highenough, that's, that's a good
thing.
But to produce additionalenergy you have to come by way
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of practice and right.
You have to develop it, andthat's what a good magician does
, or Magi does.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Got you, got you.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So like I want to say for instance I got this
question right here is whattools are commonly used in magic
and what are their purposes.
In magic you can use sigils,which are symbols, like for, for
example, in Reiki there'sseveral symbols, alright,
depending on which Reiki systemyou go into, but in Yushi or
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Ushi Reiki, there's four symbols.
You have what is calledChokurei, seheki, honshishonen
and Dekomeyo, and sometimes,well, oftentimes, after the
two-minute, you use a fifthsymbol, which is Raku.
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So these symbols tap into thevarious bodies of your essence.
For example, chokure taps intoyour physical body, seheki taps
into your emotional, mental body, honshichi, shonen is the
distant healing symbol, andDekomeo taps into your spiritual
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soul, body and raku symbolizesthe grounding symbol.
So these are symbols in whichthat oftentimes, you can tap
into as a good magician or magi.
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Magician or magi, um.
So you also have amulets um,bracelets, necklaces, stones,
right stones or crystals, um, asthey refer to it as um.
You know it can be a coin, youknow, that's conductive, you
know, such as, once again,copper, silver, gold, platinum,
whatever the case is, and we cango on and on, you know.
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So those are some things inwhich that a magician or magi
uses in order to help facilitateand conduct more power.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I got you and I wanted to add, for those who are
curious to learn about, youknow, connecting with your
ancestors through altars orgetting involved with ceremonial
magic.
It's not a straight and openpath.
A lot of people are going toassume I just pick up books and
assume that it's going to not astraight and open path.
But a lot of people can assumeI just pick up books and assume
that it's going to be a straightand narrow path.
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No, there is hurdles You'll gothrough is the zigzag.
It's not a straight and narrowway because it's.
Basically.
My experiences were differentfrom yours, so it's what you
make of it and what you pick up,and keeping a journal to keep
track of what's happening aroundyou, what changes, and you know
it's different.
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Just, let's just put it likethat.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
So I like to know or that who do with more laid back
in.
You can do various systems.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
That's in the magic field called hoodoo.
So you can do, you can take theteachings of the Voodun, the
Ifa, yoruba, congo, such as PaloMayombe and various other Congo
traditions, et cetera, andcombine, or I recommend getting
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initiated into one of thosevarious systems or more, because
initiation also helps withfacilitating um energy, that
astral light that we talkedabout, that chi or ki energy.
You know, I know um.
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When I went through umfreemasonry and I went through
um the morris, right when didour ritual, I was geek because I
was feeling the energy I waslike oh shit, you know, it's
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real, you know, so you can feelit, you know.
I recommend definitely doingthat because it helps to
definitely put you on point andmake you realize how much you
are in touch with energiesoutside of yourself you know,
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and how to utilize thoseenergies once you internalize
them.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So I have a question for those who don't want to go
through initiation right and I'mnot right To each their own
right, because there are peoplethat say they can become aligned
and in contact with theirhigher self through, like proper
meditation, diet whatsoever,but also connect with those
deities of those practices.
Is that possible without goingthrough the formal initiation?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, there's possibilities of getting
initiated on the spiritual planeyes or astral plane as we refer
to it as yes, um, my teacher,sannyata saraswati, grandmaster
sannyata saraswati, who wrotethe book jewel in a lotus, he
told us specifically that, um,we can go through four stages of
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the Cobra breath.
The other three would be givento us on the astral plane.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I got you Shout out to the chat Peace to Shawnee and
peace to Linky.
We see you, appreciate you forlogging in.
This brother said right here, areal book, one of his books the
First World Order, changed myLife 18 Years Ago.
Was that something that you'vewritten?
That you have written?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yes, yes, that's my first book.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Got you, got you, got you.
Salute, salute to that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I got to find a copy of that man, do you have it on
your website?
Yes, and this is my other bookhere.
You can see it.
One of my other books theDivine of Akhenaten.
This is the book in which Italk about the occult magic that
we're talking about right nowgot you, so I'd like to know
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this was a good one right here.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
What is the difference between ancestral
worship and necromancy?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
necromancy.
Necromancy once again dealswith dead relatives.
Okay, so there's no necessaryaltar that's set up within
necromancy.
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There's talk of the person butnot necessarily something
concrete in which that they'retied to.
Okay, yeah, that's thedifference.
You need something.
See, you have the lefthemisphere of the brain, you
have the right hemisphere of thebrain.
The left hemisphere of thebrain needs something concrete,
needs something substantial,needs something physical In
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order to understand the ritual,the ceremony.
The right hemisphere of thebrain is abstract, it's holistic
.
It doesn't necessarily needanything physical.
Okay, it doesn't necessarilyneed anything physical, okay.
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So you want to tap into thatleft hemisphere in order to open
and activate the righthemisphere, cause that's really
is the way of a Magi, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So, right there, way of a magi, you know.
So it's so.
Oh man, for those who arelearning, like you know, I'm
still in a.
I'm still a I'm a lifelongstudent of this stuff.
So, as you say, to be a magiyou gotta like be one in nature,
be one with yourself, be honestwith yourself, and a great
guide is to you know.
Meditation and some books likethe kabbalion will really teach
you, like the, the bareessentials of what it is what to
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look for within yourself.
So the question I have for youis this one how can one create
his or his or her own sigil andcharge it?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
okay, now that's a good one, all right, yeah,
normally sigils are given to youthrough the dream world yes
because you're tapping intowhat's called akashic records.
The akashic records are the eth,every thought in which that we
have ever had permeates theetheric field of the planet
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earth.
When you go to sleep at night,you go into that etheric field,
referred to as the astral plane,and the word astral means star
plane.
So you go to the stars plane,so you go into the, you go to
the stars.
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All right, you go to heaven andyou are there and you can
collect those types of symbolsor sigils in order to um bring
back here, um to earth forhealing experience or some type
of experience in which that youchoose, um, I just prefer a
healing experience, um,manifestation, attraction.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You know, those are the experiences that you really
want and need so with that rightthere, that's like whatever you
see, like if it's actually ifyou, if it's received correct,
kabbalah says within thehyperspace, astral, you know,
astral world.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's just, that's your own personal, personal
thing that you right, right now,you can share those symbols and
others can um gravitate towardsthose symbols, you know, like
the six-pointed star.
Yeah, you know, somebody cameup with.
Okay, that means, as above, sobelow yeah all right.
(26:04):
Oh, now you got a whole groupof people wearing a six-pointed
star, a whole culture around thesix-pointed star.
I mean, even converts arerocking the six pointed star.
You know I am yeah.
(26:26):
But, yeah, Exactly so.
So that's, that's, that'sreally is the science, you know,
and that actually makes thesymbol more potent.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's a fact.
That's what they call building.
It creates an Edgar car Right.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So with that, like we , we we got into, like you know,
some small pieces of ceremony,magic and ancestral worship.
So, if one person has aquestion where they say, like I
like to cast a a spell, but Idon't know how to cast a spell
and, for instance, the onlything they say that I have a
candle.
What color candle should I usefor my intentions?
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Yeah I invoke what should I dolike?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
how would you?
Candle symbolizes the chakrasystem the rainbow in particular
.
So as above, so below, so below,as within, so without.
So red would be energy, orangewould be nurturing, yellow would
be intelligence, green would behealing, blue would be
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communication, indigo would bepsychic healing and violet would
be spirituality.
So you know whatever you want.
For example, let's say green.
Well, okay, green also is thecolor of money, so you can
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utilize the color green not justfor healing but also to bring
money into your life.
You know to bring substanceinto your life.
You know to bring balance intoyour life, harmony.
You know compassion, so forthand so on.
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So it's based on your intention.
Once you have that particularcolor, and, of course, just
simply by putting your hands,let's say a candle, put your
hands on the candle, you'regenerating a thought form, all
right, and you put in thatenergy into that candle.
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You putting that energy intothat candle, and that candle is
going to permeate that thoughtform that you produce.
You know, once you light it,it's going to burn with that
intention so is it possible.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So that's basically all right.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So we say what candles transforming um
mentalization right, becauseeverything you touch leave an
organ residue.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yes, In fact, that's a fact, so that's why it's
important.
They say, when doing theserituals, you have to verify your
tools before working.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Right.
That's why you, that's why,within the traditions of Islam,
you do voodoo.
You wash up before you makeprayer.
You wash up before you touchthe Quran.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So purify.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Purify.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
The Bible tells you clean way.
Cleanliness is next togodliness.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That's important, that's true, you know, you know
for traditions, I know.
So you know, for traditions Iknow they use Florida water,
sometimes a little salt waterRight right.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right Purification through fire Right Words and
such so there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I want to say by trying to, I don't want to
violate certain principlesonline by some people like me
too much, but it's so real,alright, how can one go, like
you know, creating your ownEgregore right.
So say if I'm a newbie to thisright?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm listening or I'm watching a show right now and
they want to get involved insomething like this Outside of
becoming initiated.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
What kind of books would you give them?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
My book the Divine Hymns of Agnate occult powers.
Um, I recommend my book asnumber one because it's easy to
read.
You got pictures, you know.
I know my people, they're notreading no book without some
(30:36):
right.
Right ain't reading no bookwithout no pitches, yo, you know
that's just too much.
So you know we got pitches onevery, nearly every page.
You know that you can read, youknow, and it's, it's real easy
to read.
So I recommend my book.
Ceremonial Magic is anotherbook that I recommend.
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That's part of the Golden Dawntraditions.
Um, uh Israel regarding rightIsrael regarding right Exactly
Um Magician, um the CompleteBook of Magician, um I read of
of magic, excuse me, yeah, thecomplete book of magic and also
(31:21):
the magician, those two books,as well as also an s spelled
with a k.
Magician um also jewel in thelotus, taking it from a tantric
um kriya yoga perspective sexmagic.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh wow, that's deep right there.
You know that would scare somepeople right there.
That's sexy.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Well, it might scare them, but it's it's.
It's something in which thatthey do and want to do every day
.
So why not make a um, a ritualceremony out of it?
You know and manifest whaty'all want of it.
You know and manifest whatyou're wanting in life.
You know, attract that, whatyou need in life.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You know, it just makes sense All right.
So, like you say, you advisewhat you recommend right.
So are there certain aspects inlife that changes when one
become aligned with the universe, virtually like diet.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Circle of friends may change, yes yes, because as you
go into a different level ofconsciousness or a deeper level
of consciousness, higher levelof consciousness, however you
want to say it, awareness, youmove away from those who just
talk to those in which theyactually do.
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Because we talk about, when youtalk about magic, that's
something that you have to do.
That's not talking, you know.
That's just not.
You know, casting a spell, youknow, just talking.
You know you have to do somethings Once again.
An altar, sigils or symbols,your amulets, your, you know all
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of these things have to be putin place, at least starting out,
are just tools, you know, onceyour mind has mastered, you no
longer need those tools.
You know.
But you have to get to thepoint of mind mastery once again
, utilizing the left brain toactivate and open the right
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brain, you know, to become moreholistic like I have a question
and we're not here to start withnobody.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
But I have seen on social media a lot of
self-proclaimed kings and queensof certain African traditional
systems that are onlineproclaiming that their work is
the best Right.
Or you know they're initiatingpeople, they're offering
services online and you know toeach their own People found ways
(34:07):
to generate revenue with thesethings.
Right, but do you think likesomehow this culture became a
kind of like, let's say, mockery?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Um, yes, well, let me put it this way, I was with
Bobby since, Bobby Hemmett since94, 95 and Brother Panic since
2004.
Since 2004.
And I can tell you right now,most of them never even heard of
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the Congo, rites or Magic orIfa or Yoruba.
They might have heard of voodoo.
They might have heard of voodoo, you know, but they Everybody
heard of voodoo, you know, butthey never heard of Voodan, you
know.
They definitely never heardthat.
It came from Benin.
You know traditions or whateverthe case is, so they have
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popularized it, but they haven'tlearned the true system,
because that comes only by wayof initiation.
You know, like you stated, alot of them are pretenders when
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it comes to these type ofsciences.
They don't teach you nothingabout absorption of energy,
activation of kundalini.
You know the chakra system.
They don't tell you what theseven African powers really mean
and how the seven Africanpowers correlate to the seven
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chakras.
You know, for example, like theroot chakras, ishu and Legba,
the Lord of the Crossroads.
You know the trickster and youget tricked.
Now, trying to think with yourdick, you get tricked With the
click and the dick, you gettricked.
You know what I'm saying.
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You can.
So that's why Ishu and Legbasymbolizes the color red.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
You carry your horse break there as well too.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's Ishu and Legba you know.
So I can go up all the way to abatala, which symbolizes the
crown chakra you know white.
And then we go into Olodumare,which symbolizes the oversoul.
So we talk about the sevenAfrican powers going into the
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oversoul.
So the seven African powers, ofcourse we know, is Ishu, olegba
, ogun, shango, oya, emia, um,oh yeah, um, what he said, oh um
, I'm missing somebody, you know.
So we know that those sevenAfrican powers tap into the
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oversoul, which is Odulumare,which that's what Odulumare
symbolizes.
So we have to understand thatthe seven African powers, or the
seven chakras, or the sevenElohim, as they are called
within the Bible, Messengers.
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Right, right, right right.
It's the same signs over andover again, but it's not being
explained like this.
They got us thinking that it'sjust something outside of
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, you know, and that's a problem like this.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
They got us thinking that it's just something outside
of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, you know, and that's a problem it's really
within every, everything youknow that they speak of in the
bible, like people we know howpowerful.
Yeah, we know that.
You know christianity washanded down from slavery and
such and such the bible.
But if you know that book isbasically metaphorical Right and
it's a book of spells,especially the book of lamps,
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psalms, psalms.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Book of lamps.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You know candle magic and such and such that you can
do and you know as you mentioned.
What was that oh?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
shoot, or called powers of Psalms.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Exactly, definitely, you can, it powers of songs?
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, exactly, definitely you can't use it for.
And you know I love talkingabout stuff like this because
this is like you know, we canhave all the knowledge of you
know, the you know, knowledge ofself, of knowing that you're
black, knowing your history,mores, whatever, but also know
that there are esotericteachings that went along with
that Exactly that we tend toneglect sometimes.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, that's dope man .
So, like another thing I wantedto ask you right is how can one
know that the intentional spellis working or not?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
A good way is through candle magic.
You can look at the flame, youcan look at the If you burn it
in a glass, the candle in aglass.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I got a candle right here.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, yeah, right now you don't have a glass, but if
you burn it it will make shape,a shape or a picture onto
whatever it is, and you cananalyze the picture of that
shape and figure out what it istrying to tell you.
You know, but the flames, thecrackling of the candle, if the
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flame turns blue, if it burnshigh, if it burns low, there's
various sciences.
Now, if it burns low, then thatmeans that you need more energy
towards that.
You have to do more work beforeit can manifest.
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If it burns high, then theancestors or the angels have
heard your prayer.
It burns fast.
They quickly doing what theyneed to do for you.
If it burns real slow, there'sresistance.
Now, if you got a glass, now,if it's black around the top,
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around the glass and it's black,then you definitely got
opposition and you gotnegativity in which that is
being thrown or cast at you.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Which means you're in horror right.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Right, right, you have to cleanse the aura.
Right, right, right, right.
All got to.
You need to cleanse, you know,and of course you can get a book
called Spiritual Cleansing inwhich that you can.
One of the rituals in there isto take an egg and go through
your auric field, because yourauric field is shaped like an
egg and you can go through yourauric field and you have three
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levels of the auric field,because your auric field is
shaped like an egg and you cango through your auric field and
you have three levels of theauric field.
You have your outer auric field, your health auric field and
your inner auric field.
So you can take an egg and gothrough your body on the outside
of it, you know, and then takeall the negativity off of you
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and then throw the egg out, youknow, and crack it, or whatever
the case is.
That's one of the rituals.
You can take a spiritualcleansing bath with various
herbs such as rosemary,frankincense, myrrh geranium
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People listen, he's robbing gyms.
You know.
So these are just some of thethings that you can do.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
All right, and that's great, and for those, because
we know that you know there aretimes that people may have to go
to like richwood botanicalstore to get you know certain
herbs or certain you knowcandles whatsoever.
So, to add on to what Dr Lim'ssaying, you can even go to the
beach, man, and collect some seawater.
Make sure you leave some changebehind what you're taking and
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just take that sea water you canuse it as well.
The ancestors will takesomething from you exactly
because we people may call itspookism, but energy is real.
Wherever we go, as you said, weleave imprints and we also
collect people's energy thatcome around us.
It could be information, ahandshake.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
The earth is living imprints and we also collect
people's energy that come aroundus.
You know what I'm saying.
It could be information.
You know a handshake.
The earth is living.
Yeah, the planet earth is aliving entity.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Everything is connected.
We are connected, you know.
We have to realize that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Definitely, definitely, definitely,
definitely.
We know with that.
That's one tool, so I can one.
Like we spoke, we speak.
We spoke about cleansing youraura.
When can doing serialceremonial magic or ancestral
worship backfire on you?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
um, when you have bad thoughts, negative thoughts,
you negate your intention.
Even if you have a good,positive intention and you doubt
it, you just negate what youset forth and it's not going to
work.
If you set an intention, youhave to keep that positive
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thought in your mind saying it'sgoing to work.
You know, if you doubt it, thenit's not going to work and you
just negated it and you need tomove on.
You know, do another ritual orrecast or whatever the case is,
but you just did a negativething as far as your mental is
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concerned.
Remember mentalism.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
The universe is mental.
And within your book, as youput it, do you actually guide
people to certain rituals inthere?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yes, I do.
I take them through Psalms andexplain what each Psalm means.
You know all 150 Psalms and howyou can utilize those Psalms
for various purposes, like, forexample, psalm 7 and 11 is for
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court situations, eight is formoney situation.
One and two Psalms is forremoving negativity, you know,
or negating somebody who mighthave cast negative energy at you
(45:24):
.
You know a hex, you know orspell.
Right, right right or spellRight right right, so we can go
through all 150 of them andbreak that down.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
You know, yeah, got you, got you.
So that's pretty dope, and wecould find your book on your
website, right?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yes, it's on my website, divine School of
Igniting, and I got a new bookthat's out too.
That's my.
I guess you could say that'sthe second book.
This is the new one.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
What is it?
Planetary Genesis.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I can't see.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
The light is blocking it, it's a glare.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Let's see, let's see.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Human extraterrestrial origin.
Okay, you ain't playing outhere.
Huh, stargate DNA, right, allright, definitely, dr.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, it was talking about the Anunnaki.
Talk about the Anunnaki.
Yeah, they always talk aboutthe Anunnaki.
Well, the Anunnaki are abyproduct of the Syrians, so I
get more into the Syrianmysteries, you know in that book
because they're who are theNomos you know in that book,
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compared to just the Anunnaki,in which that everybody is
talking about now, the Anunnaki,nubiru, the Anunnaki, dr York,
teachings prior to him,zachariah sentient, stiches, you
know.
So they just, you know, goingcrazy now with you know, with
(47:18):
the Anunnaki thing.
So I had to put everything inperspective and how the Syrian
beings seeded this planetbillions of years ago and the
Anunnaki just got here 400,000years ago.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And that ties into what I magic as well.
What magic and all that.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Well, it ties into the fact that they gave us
systems, for example, theso-called fallen angels, as they
refer to them as gave theNephilim Well, the Nephilim was
the children.
Gave the Nephilim, well, theNephilim was the children.
So you know.
But the so-called fallen angels, they gave us the system of how
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to make weapons, how to castspells, how to purify and
beautify ourselves, how to doall these types of things in
which that humanity still doestoday.
(48:21):
They taught us these things.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I got you.
Definitely we have to reconnectmore, to go more in depth with
this ancestral worship and magicthings.
We've got to get you back onhere, go more in depth with this
.
You know, ancestral worship andmagic and magic things.
Like when you've got to get youback on here.
For those, those who agree withthis show, who want to see a
part two or three, you know, hit, hit the like.
Share this comment.
You know, comment Cause, alimBay, there's a lot that we want
(48:47):
to get into but we just don'twant to step on toes, toes,
right, right and reveal too much.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
But it's important man, are there any courses that
you offering outside, outside ofbooks?
Yeah, yeah, they can go to mywebsite, dralimelbaycom, and go
to um, um, the educational, umhealing or medical healing, um
section, and they'll find.
In the healing section they'llfind Reiki, qigong, tai Chi,
(49:20):
pranic Healing, and offer allthese courses every day, weekly.
The herbs are there.
Yes, we teach you herbalism, weteach you candle magic, if
that's what you're looking for,so forth and so on.
(49:43):
Whatever you want to learn,that's what we're there to teach
.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
And I gotta look into that book before we shoot up
out of here.
I want to thank you, Dr AlimBey man, for coming through.
Brother, yeah, no problem, andI got to look into that book
before we shoot up out of here.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I want to thank you, dr Alim Bey man, for coming
through, brother.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, no problem, and I appreciate you for always,
you know, being there and beingsupportive of NYP.
Salute to you, brother.
Salute to y'all.
I'm glad y'all keeping thisgoing.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Huh, What'd you say?
I said I'm glad y'all keepingthis going.
I know man.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Listen, that's the goal, man.
They want to see us fail.
Shout out to my brother, Ron.
You know, for those who don'tknow, Ron out there putting in
that work man, this time, Ron,be like yo, brother, come on.
You know, Brother's putting inwork out there.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Salute to us for real man.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Because you know Too bad.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Too bad, it's not going to happen.
We here to stay.
Shout out to all the gueststhat have been on the show we
appreciate your contribution tothis conscious community, your
work that you put in out here.
You've been out here for aminute, brother.
Oh yeah, you know what I'msaying, so we salute you.
And for those who want to checkout his books, check out
DrAlimbeycom.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
That's D-R dot com as d r a l I m e l b b e y dot com
.
All right, and we out.
Peace, my brother peace.
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