Majik Man Heru - Ansaaru Allah Community - Nuwaubian - NYPTALKSHOW Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
peace world.
How you doing?
It's your brother, mikey fever.
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Don't forget to comment, like,subscribe, follow us on social
media, Super Chats and peace tothe family.
Tonight we got a special guest,Magic man Haru.

(00:32):
He will be talking about theAnsura Alaa community, also
known as the Nuwapians.
Peace Magic, Peace Magic man.
How you doing, brother?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hey, doing excellent guy.
Thank you so much, and, man,this has been a long time coming
, man.
So, first of all, thank you somuch for the divine blessing, as
well as the ancestors, formaking us together okay.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's peace.
That's peace man.
So tell us, magic man, whereyou, from brother, start with
your journey, man.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Wow.
First of all, being thirdgeneration on this side, by way
of my grandfather OK, the firstone to make it through this soil
in 1909.
Born and raised in the shoresof America OK, that's on my
father's side, On my father's.
On my mother's side, I'm a copyof Black Hawk and Cherokee
mixed and Cherokee mixed Okay,so I'm what most people classify

(01:26):
as a so-called African American, which is, of course, is a
misnomer pertaining to us as apeople.
Okay, I was raised in NorthCarolina as well as New York.
When school would be out, theywould ship me to New York, so
75% of my life had been livingin New York.
Shout out to Brooklyn BlackBush Avenue.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Brooklyn Black Bush Building.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, east 22nd Street, bethany, newkirk, black
Bush, south.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, I'm from out there, but that's what's up.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, man, yeah yeah, but you know it's great, man,
to see us finally finallystarting to come together as a
people, because we spent toomuch time wasting on stuff
that's not even really feasiblein this day and time, as you're
going to hear, and you and therest of the attendance in the
audience as we continue to dothis bill tonight.

(02:21):
Right, we've got to stopwasting precious time that we
can't get back.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Of course I'm all about that.
I'm all about the progressionof our people.
You know what I'm sayingAccountability, learn from our
past errors and moving forward,you know?
So that's what's up.
So you got your thirdgeneration of Cherokee and Black
.
You said Black Hawk.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, third generation on my father's side,
who just passed two years ago,okay, but Black Hawk and
Cherokee on my mother's side.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
All right, so that's peaceful.
You're from North Carolina andBrooklyn, yeah, and as far as
your upbringing exposure to hiphop, you went through all that
culture, all that cypher.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh, man, bro, Before the so-called golden era,
classified as 1988, and y'allcorrect me if not, of course you
know we was doing that longbefore that, but for some reason
to say 1988 is when we came tothat apex, or the golden era you
know with.
You know gods such as rakimallah, uh chariots, one lakim

(03:23):
shabazz, some of my guys, suchas Rakim Alar Karius, one Nakim
Shabazz.
Some of my favorites, such asPoor Righteous Teachers.
You know the list Brand new sofar.
You get what I'm saying.
But, matter of fact, man, youknow I actually started and
actually wrote my first you knowrhyme back in 1985 to be exact.
So you know, I was up, man, Iwas up for some deals myself,

(03:47):
man, but once I realized, youknow how shady the producers and
stuff was, man, crazy, backthen they was trying to offer us
a measly one penny for everyrecord that was sold, which is
crazy, right.
So I'm glad we didn't take thatdeal.
I'm glad we didn't take thatdeal, man, and some of you
people who's out here puttingout music today?
It wasn't like it was yesterdaywith the digital.

(04:09):
Well, we in there, it makes iteasier, man, for people to come
on, man, and do what you got,man, but we need to switch it
back to more positive and someof this negative stuff that's
been allowed to go over theairwaves.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I got you so in your upbringing were you like?
Before we get deep into, I'mjust trying to build up, before
we get into that, into yourjourney into Ansar Allah
community.
Was your family religious?
Were you like?
You grew up in a religioushousehold.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, I did.
But I was fortunate they had afather that took me from
synagogue to church, to mosque.
So I was already pretty muchstudying different types of
religions part of my upbringing,long before I came in contact
with the teachings known as theAncil Rural Law community, long
before that.
So it was a part of my journey,right.

(04:58):
But even back then, you know,we had a sense, a strong sense
of self worth, unlike otherpeople, even though we would go,
and my daddy and my you know myfather shout out to them, my
mom, they always wanted me to berooted in what everybody else
was teaching throughout theircommunity.
So it was necessary for me tobe taken from synagogue to

(05:20):
church, to mosque.
Unfortunately us as a people,there's many different ways of
life.
People can study, but for somereason, when it comes to our
people, those are mainly themain three that they tend to
cling on to.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Mostly mainstream because that's what you've been
conditioned and doctored tofollow.
Psychologically it breaks thepeople down, the images and such
to make you feel like you'reless than there's.
Other spiritual practices,african traditional practices
that people tend to frown upon,like the Ifa, voodoo, 21

(05:57):
Division, palo Mayombe, santeriaand all that.
The average person who doesn'thave knowledge of that will
frown upon that, looking at itas some kind of pagan-like or
demonic.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know God, you know what's crazy.
I'm going to show you how muchtime we wasted.
I just left one of my many justoverbrooks, one of my many jobs
, right, and I hear a youngsister I'm not going to call her
out, but I just just in mindthinking, right, and we a young
sister, I'm not going to callher out, but just in mind
thinking and we're on anaircraft, because one sister of

(06:32):
Haitian descent and anothersister is from another part of
one of the many different tribesin the misnomer called Africa.
She looks at the Haitian sisterand she says don't y'all people
do that black magic.
And I'm listening, right, well,you know, she was trying to
explain voodoo Some people callit voodoo and all kind of things

(06:54):
.
Right, and I'm listening.
I say here we are in so-called2025.
And we still is not we, and westill not we, mostly y'all
attentive listeners, right, youstill teaching the babies that
nonsense where everything blackand dark is bad but the opposite
is black is white, right, sothey still with all of this

(07:16):
so-called knowledge, all of thisso-called information age?
Right, you still got the youth,and I'm saying late teens,
early 20s, with that type ofmindset.
We got some serious work to do.
Oh yeah, I don't bring.
I don't blame the babiesalmighty, I blame the parents of
these babies and thegrandparents of these babies

(07:39):
that's the power ofindoctrination.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
They don't in.
The correct term for thatsister who was asking a sister
of haian descent, is voodoon, orvoodoon, because I'm Haitian
myself.
So we, like you know, of course, even within our own community,
people will frown upon voodooand stuff because it's not part
of the three main religioussystems, you know.
But you know again, they vilifyit because that's what helped

(08:04):
us get our revolution.
And also, let's not forgetunity and other forces, because
without unity nothing can bedone.
You can't have all theknowledge of spirituality
whatsoever, but without peacewithin yourself and unity
amongst your brothers andsisters, nothing will work.
Exactly All the invocations youwant, it would not work.
So you got to be yourself.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
And what's the argument?
Snapping their face, and youknow, for those who worship in
those big three, they'respellcasters all throughout the
Torah, the Old Testament, newTestament, including the Quran,
but they want to act like that'snot in there.
That's why one of the things asyou're going to see, or
faithfully hear, is love like ahate, as we call them the

(08:47):
spiritual master, because eachone of them us, I know, I am,
I'm my own master.
I'm not going to have anothermaster by any other name above
me.
That's me and again, that'swhat separates a real student
from a mere follower.
Right, of course, you know.
But so love like I hate him.

(09:08):
He did a very good job for mostof us who he came to reach, and
he wasn't, his message wasn'tfor everybody.
That's why a lot of people wenton and, you know, did all kinds
of things like that.
But anyway, as we go furtheralong, you know we'll get back
to that.
But anyway, as we go furtheralong, we'll get back to that.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Definitely we're going to get to that.
I know you're referring toMalachi, z York, right right,
also known as Governor DwightYork many other aliases.
How did you get involved withthe Ansar community?
What introduced you into theAnsar community, first of you,
into the Ansar law community.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
First of all, my family, again.
I used to live between New Yorkand North Carolina.
Shout out to a cousin of minenamed Alan Alan Felton that's
the you know, the governmentname from my so-called family
that took over right and eventhough he was traveling the
pathway of the Nation of Godsand Earths or the five centers,
back over right and even thoughhe was traveling the pathway of

(10:05):
the Nation of Gods and Earths orthe Five Percenters back then,
right, because we lived and heused to go down to the Hall of
Knowledge and I used to see himbring these books back Now, even
though he was traveling thepath of the Five Percenters, he
was later on.
He then migrated to some formof Islam, be it Sunni or Shiite

(10:28):
now, but I credit him and he wasknown at that time as Master
God of Law, right?
So my cousin, my family member,my relative, he was the first
one that I used to see.
He used to bring these booksand stuff home, even though he
used to do the knowledge as afive-a-center.
But I used to see he used tobring these books and stuff home
, even though he used to do theknowledge as a fiber center.
But I'm sitting back.
I remember he read somethingfrom that book, from one of

(10:55):
those moving Islamicpublications.
So my cousin, he probably wasabout five or six years older
than me, but because we'redouble kin, we're two brothers
and two sisters, kind of married.
Like you know, my fathermarried my aunt, which was his
father's sister.

(11:15):
So we actually are like doublekin, got you.
But you know, shout out to himthough man, you know, and his
intentions was good, but heplanted that seed a long time
ago because I started offreading but I didn't fully
accept or embrace the teachingsof the Nation of Gods and
Goddesses to which I got myattribute in 1984.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Oh, we got to correct that Nation God and Goddesses.
We got the Nation God and Earthrespectfully, because you know,
yeah, I got it, you got toremember, I'm 57 years young,
right?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
So I'm going to call it the way that it was called
back then right.
Yeah, that's the way we, that'sthe way you know, the elder
gods who gave me my Godattribute back then right, this
is what it was called.
Now I'm not going to say itwasn't called other things, I'm
just going to give it to you theway it was given to me.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, the only reason why I interject, and said that
because I have never heard thatterm used before.
But again like yeah, more youknow not to put you on the spot.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
almighty, you know, I'm 57 years young and I'm
getting younger, so so what'syour math then?
What's your math, Are you?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Jace is younger or a little bit older than me.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
No, I'm coaching knowledge.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
All right, All right.
And again I shout out to thembecause I studied for a brief
amount of time and what Ilearned was very pivotal in my
life by being right and exact.
You understand.
And I always give them theirrespect.
So you say that you startedwith the Nubian Islamic

(12:53):
publications.
Those are the small pamphlets,so that must have been back in
the 70s.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
No, fam.
To be honest, thosepublications, they was on a
collegiate level Compared towhat's being out today.
I'm going to be honest with you.
This information is smallcompared to what he used to put
out.
It was on a collegiate level.
Even sometimes those booksappear to be thin.
But, bro, we was talking aboutscientific information.

(13:19):
We went into DNA and blood typeand tribes and all that kind of
stuff.
Man, I'm telling you, I'm goingto be honest with you, what the
term?
We went into DNA and blood typeand tribes and all that kind of
stuff.
Man, I'm telling you, I'm goingto be honest with you, what
this, what the term rightknowledge now, or actual facts
is baby knowledge, man, comparedto what he was dropping in
those publications back then.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
All right.
So so you say you started.
So how old were you when yousay you started?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
You got exposed to those books like you know what
teen, early teens- no, I wasactually nine years old at first
the first time I read thepublication.
Remember, shout out to mycousin, my relative Master God
of Law.
He used to bring thosepublications back home and he
used to leave them.
Because I learned I was alwayswell advanced and I was always a

(14:02):
quick learner back then A lotof times, you know, one of the
things that's a natural gift forme is I can learn more about
watching my surrounding and Iwill listen to the way other
people will talk, right, and Iwill sit back and watch and
listen.

(14:22):
And sometimes, you know, Iwouldn't necessarily ask a
question or anything like that.
I would just pretty much takeit in right If something I
wanted to ask my cousin about orsomething I was confused about,
even though I was reading thosepublications.
Like I said, I was alwayspretty much advanced.
So I would either ask him lateron or through some miracle,

(14:42):
believe it or not, I would findthe answer either in that book
or one of the other publicationsthat he would bring home.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Okay, got you.
That's peace right there.
So when did you yourselfdecided to become part of the
answer or law community?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
June 26th 1991.
At that time, you know to bebrief is, even though I was
living in North Carolina, weused to go to Norfolk, virginia,
which was about 45 miles awayfrom where I was living at there
used to be a festival that wascalled Afghan Fest.
I don't know if they're stilldoing it or not.

(15:19):
It used to be at a park.
I remember my elder brother,whose name is L I actually drove
his car, me and him were justme and him going down.
So we went down to Afghan Fest,so we walked in the festival
Matter of fact I think it was at, not Tidewater Park, but anyone

(15:39):
take time to look that up inNorth right.
So we went to this park and youknow we was buying food, man
meeting, you know differentgirls and guys and stuff like
that very culturally right, youknow, people from many different
tribes was a part of AfghanFest.
So I looked up and I saw somebrothers that was at a table

(16:04):
with a white jalapeno on.
Now I'm familiar with it againfrom not only the publications
but living in New York.
So I was like man, I ain't seenthat down here since I left New
York.
So, soul to soul.
I found myself and told my man,my brother.
I said I got to go to thistable here, so I go over to the
table.
And again, here's one of themiracles where people want a bad

(16:27):
mouth.
Again, dr Malachi Z York, andit just just happened to me, it
happened to many other people,but this is my experience of
what happened June 26, 1991.
Ok, even though I fullyembraced the teachings at that
time, like, like I say, nationof gods and goddesses, right,
the five nation 1984 to 1991.

(16:49):
So, anyway, my soul guided meto the table.
So me and this brother andagain I'm coming from that type
of knowledge I had, right.
So me and him was just makingeye contact.
I haven't even looked down atthe table yet, right, and you
know, because I'm like I'm doingthe knowledge with him and he's
building with me.

(17:09):
And he said so you're a 5% ofher.
So, yeah, yeah.
And he said that you know, youever thought about investing in
getting a publication so you'dbe able to know more about what
you're talking about?
God, I'm like I would if onewas available.
But back then there wasn'tthese lessons and plus lessons,
that was pretty much compiled inone book, right and I'm like

(17:35):
shit, I would if there was sucha book?
Yeah, of course I would.
He said well, look down.
Then I looked down and the bookof the five percenters.
Let me see if I can pull it up.
I don't know if I can show youthis or not.
Thanks to the digital age inwhich we're in, I got a digital
copy of a like a PDF copy ofthis book, and this is actually

(18:00):
the first publication that Ibrought after reading you know
my family members, books andstuff that he would bring.
If I can get it open, as soonas it opened, I'll show you.
What's so crazy about it iswhen I looked down and he told
me back.
Then I remember he said I'lltell you what he said I'll sell
you one for $15 and you get twofor $25.

(18:22):
One of the greatest errors thatI ever did in my life is I
brought one instead of two,because when I took the book,
took my shahadah the same night.
Right, took my shahadah thesame night.
And the more I studied the bookbecause at first I didn't take

(18:45):
it as something that I wanted toembrace myself.
Right, one of the elder gods Iused to build with man.
You know what he did in my book.
He took and ripped the book inhalf.
Oh, I don't know what it was,but you know the guys back then

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man used to hate, as he wasknown back then, iman Issa, and
the only reason why to keep itrespectful, because I don't know
if he got children.
But, bro, it took a lot.
It took a lot for me to walkaway Because he almost caught a
bad one Out of the love andrespect I had for him, because
he was one of the ones that notonly embraced me but he was

(19:31):
there for me.
Matter of fact, he wasn't theone that gave me my God
attribute, but he was close.
He was like his right-hand mancompared to Father, allah and
justice.
He was like justice Now, Idon't know if you can see it law
and justice.
He was like justice.
Now, I don't know if you cansee it, but I think I like it.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think isn't that book Questions to Ask a 5% or
something like?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
that.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Hold on a minute.
Yeah, that is, that's the wayit looked.
Okay, and that same guy that Ihad the utmost respect for man
when he took and ripped my bookup in half and I looked at him,
I said you know, you don't knowhow bad I want to lay it to you

(20:15):
right now, man, what I'm goingto do is I'm going to walk away.
But not only am I going to walkaway, but I'm done with that,
because what you did is isunforgivable.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Did he tell you why?
He told you to pull the book up?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, he told me, man , cause that time he was like um
Imam Issa is don't know whathe's talking about, and and all
this kind of stuff, man.
But again, even right here totoday, man, you got a lot of
people that that hate this man,loved by many but also hated by
just as many.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
You know, in life there's something called there's
no polarities.
You know, everyone's experienceis different right, right, I
experienced that myself.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I experienced that myself.
Can I share something?
Can I share something as wecontinue to go on?
Man, I want to share something,god, can I share something as
we continue to go on?
Man, I want to share something.
I'm known as Huni Bakatun right, that's my tribal name.
My penny stage name is Masterkind of magic man, haru.
Right, when I was doing my besteight years ago and shout out to

(21:23):
WNT9 Radio Radio because I wasintroducing sound therapy, to
try to offer it as a form ofhealing for our people, because
with all of the knowledge andstuff that we have, we still
continue to be divided.
Some people are still hurt bythings of the past, during the

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Ansarulah community era, all theway up to right knowledge, to
when things hit the fan on May 8, 2002.
So sound therapy, right, whichyou're known by as the master
sound therapist, is try to usethat as a form of healing, by
using sound and really soundjudgment right, as a form to

(22:06):
heal ourselves and each other,even though it went over a lot
of people's head at the time,right.
But I'm kind of questioning now, man, what do our people want?
Man, I think our people love tocontinue to be not all I'm not
saying all, but a mass majorityof us will spend again, like you

(22:27):
said earlier, a lot of time wecan't get back.
I'm saying this for a reason,because the night before my
interview I had a so-called theywon't call it Satan's at the
time, it was called the Wapiansat the time had a dude come up
in my inbox.
It's because there's differentstages that we go through, from

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the God stage to the masterstage, to the elder stage, right
.
And this dude actually inboxedme.
I'm gonna show you how sillythe nation, how far people have
fell.
This dude inboxed me.
He said hey, you call yourselfat that time, master, right.

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And I'm like, yeah, I mean,what's the reason, you know?
He said, well, how dare youcall yourself a master?
And I'm listening, right, I'mlistening to him.
I say and if I continue to callmyself a master, what?
What's supposed to happen?
He said, well, you'd besurprised.
You'd be surprised on how manypeople are going to be upset by
that.
I'm like, like who, on how manypeople is going to be upset by
that?
I'm like who.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Do you know who they had?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
the audacity to say that would get mad at me for
calling myself a master.
Take a guess, I ain't going togive you three.
Who do you think?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
This dude actually said Dr Malachi Z York would be
mad at me for calling myself amaster.
How?
We even know, and I'm listeningnow because I can't speak about
other people's experience butme taking time to speak to him
and get to know him.
Like you and I get to know eachother, I know that what he said

(24:11):
is an outright lie, never had aproblem whatsoever and never
will have a problem whatsoeverabout us growing into what we're
supposed to grow intounderstood.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
So you know, I hear what you're saying 100% and
there's something that'ssomething for you know, our
people.
Basically there's a lot of workthat has to be done.
It's the healing and gettingproper.
That's something for our people.
Basically, there's a lot ofwork that has to be done.
It's the healing and gettingproper education and learning to
dialogue and debate, with notbeing disrespectful, but to go
back on track.
You said you started with theAnsar Allah community.

(24:47):
You took your shahada thatnight right and you took your
shahada at the Hall of Knowledgedown here During that time.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Okay, we went to.
At that time there was an AnsarLaw community that was in
Newport News, virginia, whichwasn't too far from where we
were in Norfolk, probably abouta good maybe 20, 25 minute
depending on traffic.
So there was a community, anAnzalaw community, back then.

(25:17):
And this is when the nation wasmaking a transition from the
going through that phase becauseit was only a school for us.
That's a key point, right there, most of the stuff that we ever
went through was only a form ofschool for us, and I emphasize,
only Most of the stuff that weever went through was only a
form of school for us.
And I emphasize only, andbecause we left that, you know,

(25:38):
from 1970 to 73, depends on whoyou ask right For 20 years.
So the time can go from either1970 to 1990 or all the way up
to 1973 to 2003.
It's when we start to go intothe next phase of the Holy

(26:00):
Tabernacle Ministries.
Then that's when we came with,that's when we came out with the
Right Knowledge pamphlets, thelittle small pamphlets, and it
actually was like the middlestage to where we ended up,
going to as far as the AEO typeof scrolls and all that kind of
stuff, because you know what,growing up in brooklyn I I
remember seeing dudes on thestreets um selling the pamphlets

(26:20):
and oils yeah, but thejellipiers and all the sisters
in the field, right, yeah, andthe pictures and all that.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
And I used to see the pictures because, I'm not gonna
lie, I used to see the books.
They were kind of like comicbooks.
At one point I see the drawingand the feeling right right and
then you know, there was a dudeI remember who had like a.
He was next to a video storeand he had the books and you
know I was looking at them andafter a while try to understand
it, I was like I couldn't reallyget into it.

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I was like it's not really, youknow, not everything's meant
for everyone, like it's not athing.
You know I'm saying so.
I felt back back from that.
And then there's a whole otherslew of things.
But I remember that point Atone point when York did have an
influence on hip-hop artists andthe culture and him challenging

(27:07):
people about religion and such.
It was pretty deep.
So you say you went to thatHall of Knowledge in Virginia.
And it was pretty deep.
So you say you went to thathole of knowledge in Virginia.
Did you ever come in contactwith Dr York when you were a
member of the NCR?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Not at the time.
We didn't physically come incontact with each other until
1995.
Even though, like I said, Itook my shahada that self-same
night on June 26, 1991.
And I continued to study thedoctrine.
I continued to not only gothere but I continued my natural
pathway, because I was aboutready to go to college to get my

(27:48):
first degree, a bachelor'sdegree in religious studies.
Because, again, this is a partof things, again, not because I
need it I was raised religiouslybut because some people and
this is for the life of me yougot some of our people want to
get the documentation, of course, by one of their masters in one

(28:09):
of their schools that theycontrol with European thought.
So this is what they wanted.
And some of my elders wastelling me to say you know, as
divinely gifted and thorough asyou are, some people won't
listen to you unless you produceone of those documentations to
have graduated from one of theirso-called colleges.

(28:30):
And I did it for that purpose,and that purpose only, because
I'm here to tell you, eventhough I went through those
schools right, in order for meto get a degree, I had to answer
the question.
Like most of us, no one I knowbetter, but I did that because
you know this is something thatyou know people who's close to

(28:52):
me, such as Illuminium, which ismy godfather.
I did it for them.
I didn't do that for mepersonally, but because I was
fortunate enough and it was apart of my upbringing that I
give thanks to that.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I got you, so that's so, that's dope.
So you went and you mentionedlike the changes of school of
thoughts, because I know fromwhat I pulled up.
He started with the was it thepure sufi thing?
Honestly, dr yoke started he'sbecause he was a student of um
sheikh daoud, as he said, right,his history, sheikh daoud.

(29:28):
From there he started a puresufi thing and then from there,
with the hebrew, the nubianhebrew islamic school and you
know the other stuff came about,the holy tablets.
Then you know I'm saying whenhe went out of space somewhere
after and I was like, yeah, youknow, I'm saying so and he said
he went out of space.
Yeah, yeah, well, you don't allthat, or pp's have been.

(29:51):
Yeah, he went out of space.
So I say so, you experiencedall that you went through.
Did have been?
It went out of space.
So I say so, you experiencedall that you went through.
Did you go through all thoseschool of thoughts yourself?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
yeah, but.
But.
But far as I stand, you know,correct, through all throughout
the doctrine before 1970, wealways spoke about being before
the sun or before the so-calledbeginning, the way that was
taught.
So it was always there.
It's not something that hestarted teaching later on, it
was always there, matter of fact.

(30:17):
If you look at, if you ever get, you know, have access to, and
I can show you that a lot of theearlier Pampers even though you
saw him with the Islamicregalia right with the show,
with the staff and all of thatright, if you look closely at
some of the posters, you willalways see one of either you

(30:37):
know what most people refer toas a ship that was either
beaming down towards them right,or you will see it somewhere.
So it was always there.
Now again, let me add this too,because I give thanks for my own
personal experience.
So I have seen many things thatmost people on earth can't

(31:02):
explain.
There's nothing on earth thatcan travel faster than what, the
speed, or what they're callingthe speed of light.
I'm talking about comet-liketype of speed, right, I have
seen that all throughout my lifepersonally.
You know, and I don't know howlong this interview is going to

(31:23):
go.
But, trust me, some of us wasthere.
Some of us, some of us wasthere on our land, especially in
1997.
Remember the first Mike Tysonfight?
Remember that the Mike Tyson,not Buster Douglas, but the
first Mike Tyson, evanderHolyfield fight.
You remember that fight, thevery first one?
Yeah, I remember that fight,yeah.

(31:43):
So we was on our land, tamaray,at the time, and it was
actually showing that fight.
It wasn't Hathor Studios butRamesses Nightclub, right.
That was dubbed as a movietheater, right?
So you?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
lived in the land.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I didn't live in the land but I had assets too,
because at that time, as abusiness owner back then, you
know, I became one of the oneswho used to distribute the books
.
That was one of my earliest,earliest books.
But I had assets to be able togo back and forth and I used to
be able to pick up.
I miss those days, man.
I used to be able to pick upthe phone and we used to have
what they call COD cash ondelivery.

(32:23):
I would tell the office you'regoing to send me so, so, so and
so, and it will be there in amatter of three days.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
All got you.
Continue about that commentyeah, but that night of the
fight.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It was man.
This was during the Savior'sweekend, as we used to say,
birthday celebration.
Many of us and I'm talkingabout it had to be at least five
or six thousand of us just outin line and we, just as family
because it was always aboutfamily with us, man, in regards

(33:00):
to whatever tribe or wherever wecame from on this planet we
used to gather and it was allabout love and family there.
So, in a mix, because all of uscouldn't fit inside of the
again, the club that was dubbedas a movie center, but it was
actually showing andbroadcasting the fight live.
So we was actually getting whatwas happening in the fight by

(33:23):
hearsay.
So, and I still remember asister right here to this day
man, we all outside under thecanopy man, the skies used to be
lit up right and one of thesisters say wait a minute, that
ain't a star, me like the restof us I'm talking about
thousands of us you know we alllooked up and what appeared to
be amongst the stars, man, justtook off with tremendous speed.

(33:46):
Right Now I'm going to show youagain.
To me it's nothing less of amiracle, because one of the
books and it might be out ofprint now, but you might be able
to find a copy in PDF calledMystery Clouds by the UFO, but
this was at nighttime.
This was at nighttime and theinkly blackness of the night,

(34:06):
with all these so-called starsright, just took off and it was
just going from one side of thesky to the other right and it
seemed like now get this.
Now we're standing there onEarth.
As it was traveling, the sisterwas talking and said evidently
it must be sensing that it'sbeing detected right and me,

(34:30):
like many other people, islooking at it.
They started coming from allover the place.
I'm talking about eight or ninewas just coming from, like from
the bottom up, and woulddisappear.
Another would come from theleft side and like disappear and
this carried on, man, for abouta good maybe five or ten

(34:50):
minutes.
There was this all over theplace man I'm talking about with
a comet-like type of speed,right.
So as soon as she said that,she said yeah, there must be a
sense that we're watching thiswhole.
It's like a almost like alaser-like show.
It says there's someone, took ablanket.
Put it in your mind thatsomeone took like a curtain or

(35:13):
something from one side of thesky and just snatched it and
went all the way to the otherside, like I just did with my
hand, where you couldn't seenothing.
It was just completely black.
You couldn't see no stars oranything.
We all just look at it.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I've seen that in country roads.
When you go out in the country,when there city lights, you see
activity as such.
So Daryl was there in 97 yearson the land, so throughout the
land.
I know there were differentother school of thoughts where
they had the whole Yamaseeprocess when he became.
What was it?

(35:51):
Chief Blackfoot, Something likethat, Thunderbird something.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Chief Thunderbird, black Eagle.
All right, you got to remember.
These are just attributes, man.
The same thing that in theIslamic culture would call an
imam.
The same thing, even thoughwhen I went through the school
of Judaism, right, like somepeople back then, I was known as
a rabboni right, which isnothing but a master teacher
right, like some people backthen, I was known as a Rabboni

(36:16):
right, which is nothing but amaster teacher right.
So this is just differentstages that people would apply
to him, and apply not just tohim, but many of us that
actually have that, you know,that knowledge of leadership and
divinely gifted like that.
So also, it's been on record.
It's also been on record, man,that he's just as much Native

(36:36):
American as he is of Sudaneseheritage Because his mother is
Native American.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I hear that there's a lot of discrepancies.
I hear that that's what you'resaying, but there's a lot of
discrepancies.
I hate that that's what you'resaying, but there's a lot of
discrepancies.
You know, in regards to hisorigin, you know, being born in
Boston, massachusetts, youunderstand, and all this extra
stuff from Boston and notactually the whole Sudanese

(37:12):
thing and you know what elsebeing a diplomat, but that's
like down the line stuff laterdown, yeah too.
But so you say you was, you wason the land, you, you.
You started your publicationworking with dr york, I mean
selling the books on the landand stuff becoming a business
owner.
Were there any like, how I say,going through the ranks of

(37:33):
becoming a teacher yourself inthere in that organization?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know, part of my calling, part of my lifestyle.
Okay, some of us and I'm goingto take it back to the Ancestor
Law community some of us wasmeant to be raised outside of
the so-called gates of that typeof confinement that was in
Bushwick, brooklyn, so on and soforth.

(37:58):
Some of the best of so-calledstudents was raised outside of
that environment, and I'm sayingit this way for a reason.
So it wasn't part of my destinyto be amongst the rankings, as
most people was trying to fight,and that's what caused a lot of
discrepancies is because I wasonly there to get the knowledge,

(38:20):
not only to validate what washappening in my own personal
life, unlike, I want to say,probably 85 to 95% of the people
who ever studied the doctrine.
Okay, because most of them,even if they don't like to see
it, they became dependent oneither what they either read in

(38:41):
the book or from someone else,and that's pretty much the
classic story of so many peoplein our world.
And I go so far to say 99.99.99percent of the people have yet
to have their own personalexperience dealing with the
divine Right.

(39:01):
So that's what made me different.
So, again, again, to answeryour question, I didn't have no
desire because I was there forone purpose or one reason only
purpose, or one reason only forme to finally see him because of
the divine love and respect Ihad for him and appreciation, to
not only give me concrete proofof certain things that I,

(39:22):
pretty much, was being raised inand studied for all of this
time.
So, I traveled in 1995.
I traveled in 1995 to finallysee him in person.
Got you.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Got you and where you're, like you know, with the
books that you know he haspenned what they say close to
300 something, 300 or 400 booksor something like that.
So they say he was able to penmultiple genre.
You know subjects, like.
You know, like from religiouscontext, spirituality and

(39:55):
extraterrestrial, but as far ashis books, right, which book was
the main one that made theshift for you, outside of the 5%
of one, which one really said?
You know what I'm going toreally dedicate myself to the
following For me.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Again, that sparked for me is when I fully
comprehended what he was gettingat, when I got that book to the
fiber center, and I have yet toread any of the book from the
small scrolls, and again I'mtalking about the doctrine books
.
Again that was on a collegiatelevel, Things like you know,

(40:39):
have you been born again?
We had all kinds of things, man, that that he would read, that
he would put out there.
So to me I have yet to read anybook that he had put out, that
he had access to, that didn'treach me in a different type of
way.
And to me he's divinely giftedin his way of being able to

(41:02):
convey and to be able to for usto be able to see it ourselves,
which is one of the best keptsecrets, Really, yeah, One of
the best kept secrets.
And also, I haven't seen anyother teacher or leader before
his time or during his time, andeven right here now.

(41:22):
Right, that open up to the pointwhere anyone can come off the
street and ask their questions,Because most people come
pre-scripted.
Right, Most of the so-calledrabbis and cohenes and preachers
and reverends and imams andsheikhs and all this kind of
stuff like that I can't think ofany other one, whether it's in

(41:46):
America or throughout the restof the world, where they're
allowed to do that.
Anyone, whether you're astudent or what you can come
right on off the street.
If you got something you'reconfused about, you can go right
up to the mic that's the way itused to be right and ask any
question that you wanted towithout being told that you're a
demon or you're a blasphemerand some of the other catch

(42:08):
stuff people tend to say becauseeither they didn't know the
answers themselves, so that'swhat created a lot, a lot of
contention with other people indifferent communities.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
From there.
You said the book inspired you.
Things that you have learnedfrom Dr York.
What did he teach you himselfthrough conversation with him?
Did you ever challenge hisinformation?
Say, point me to your point ofreference.
Where did you get that from?
How did you get thatinformation?
What made?
Say, point me to your point ofreference.
Where'd you get that from?
How did you get thatinformation?
Like, what made you producethese writings?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know what's so unique about it is even going
back to when I got the 5% book.
Right, the book is constructedand it's designed to give you
certain reference books, matterof fact, if you open up the
beginning of it, two of thethings that he used to reference

(43:09):
and I still remember right hereto this day.
He said and this is within thebook, that 5% book right.
He said I suggest that youpurchase Supreme Wisdom 1 and 2
by the most honorable ElijahMuhammad.
Right, he was always respectfulfor other people that was on
the scene or during that time orbefore him.

(43:32):
All throughout his books.
So there was always referencematerials and, unfortunately,
over here in America, most ofthe people wasn't taught to read
, write and chant Arabic andHebrew and all the different
things that we was encouraged tolearn.
But again, I'm an exception tothe rule because by me being
raised in it, right, I wasalready had a strong sense of

(43:57):
different words and how thingswould change and what appeared
to be different.
But actually it wasn'tdifferent at all.
The script might have changed,right, but there were certain
root meanings, whether it was inArabic or Hebrew, that there
was really really no difference.
But this is something thatwe're able to see our own selves
if we choose to see it.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
So, because I'm going to be just Okay, all right,
okay, so, like you know, causeI'm going to be just asking
questions.
So what, what is a new WAPI?
And on new WAPI, cause you knowI had different stories, you
know, going from a differentschool of thoughts, and you know
he did this and that and theholy tapping apple was at
ministries.
Yeah, what made people come tothat conclusion of being a

(44:47):
Nuwapian or Nuwapian, and nowthey call themselves Sabers or
whatever, sabians, sabians, yeah, can you describe what's a
Nuwapian and break it down to us?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I can speak on what a Sabian is.
There's other brothers out herethat still follow that
particular pathway For me and Iexplained that even now and
later that to me that was astopping point for me.
When things hit the fan, whenthe land was raided and taken
and through infiltration throughour organization, like many

(45:18):
other ones, right, I was alreadyleery about where the nation
was going to go.
Right After the governmentstepped in, took our land and
the family and all that kind ofstuff like that got dispersed.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
So you stop right there, all right.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Okay.
So now, fonz, go back to youroriginal question on what is
Nuwakian, to put it in simpleterms, you know.
Go back to your originalquestion on what is Nuwa'i.
To put it in simple terms, youknow, based on the language
Nuwa'i whether it's Nun Wa Baright is nothing but dealing
with information, and what's sounique about it?
When you speak about a Nabi orany of these things pertaining

(45:59):
to be it, in schematic languages, that's speaking about a
prophet, right that these arethe people that brought
information to our world as weknow it.
So, for simpler terms, on theY-Pian, it's really people that
have a vast amount ofinformation.

(46:20):
This is something we have andwho and what we are by nature.
It don't have anything reallyto do religiously, even though
you can find connotations withinthat word, be it throughout the
scriptures.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I got you, so it's just basically redefining self
into your own terms, coming tosovereignty of self.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, that's a good way to look at it.
But you know far as wherepeople can actually, like you
say, do research on it.
If they look up the wordprophet, then they will see
those letters.
Like I just said, noon, west,west, or sometimes you don't see
a west.
Sometimes you say noon and west, right, but like I say, once
you study again, again, you'llbe able to have that strong

(47:05):
sense.
So now only do that apply to aso-called prophet of the
scriptures, right?
This also applies to theinformation that people can
receive in the form of a book orin the form of knowledge itself
okay.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
They say knowledge, you know, is the respect, it's
power.
It's power when you say theland was taken, raided by FBI
and such.
There are many that arelistening and observing, that
are familiar with the case of DrYork and other things.
You understand what havetranspired that led to that

(47:45):
point, Because you know we spokeabout the books, your
experience it was beautiful.
I could tell from what I'mhearing you're a person who
likes to seek knowledge and goout there and acquire
information.
You understand, and that's whyI asked if you have a challenge
on his doctrine and what hespoke.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
But from day one, let me be clear about something I
didn't just get that book.
Actually, it took me about agood year, back to the back in
1991.
It took about a year for me toread the book over and over, and
I'm looking at El Quran and I'mlooking at the Torah and
meanwhile I'm shopping and evenlearning Arabic and Hebrew and

(48:23):
Greek and all that kind of stuffall during this year.
Some I was familiar with.
But I'm going to be honest withyou, through poor translations
and sometimes, being born andraised over here in America, I
would hear certain things rightthat sound familiar to my ear,
but to be able to most peopleso-called Americans, muslims

(48:47):
they would give you the Englishinterpretation of what they're
actually saying.
So unique again to me I feellike it's something that I even
do within my teachings now is tobe able to teach in ways where
people can actually learn andnot really know that they're
actually learning at the sametime okay, so, like, like, like

(49:09):
I was saying, and that andthat's and that's dope, you went
to go study different languagebecause you know language.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
The key is key.
It's key, um, say, to likethose who challenge his
teachings and his writings,because we know from what the
public says there were manypeople that were helping him
write his books.
You know how they say somepeople divinely prepared a book,
like he was gatheringinformation Down to the point.
They say certain things werechanged around, even plagiarized

(49:35):
.
We hear that.
Let me continue down to thebooks.
And then you mentioned somepeople could have challenged him
and stuff in the past, debatingwhatsoever.
I know him and Chuck was it?
Chuck Phillips had something.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Oh, you're talking about old Chucky Ducky.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, bilal Phillips and him had something going back
and forth because about theAnsar Al-Arakul, that forth
because about the answer of ourcult, and he said about the
difference between that andorthodox Islam.
So it's like there were somepeople trying to challenge him,
because I have never heard of acase with Dr York actually
debating anybody.
You know what I'm saying.
I just heard like you put outtapes whatsoever.
You know a pamphlet but like tolike a public forum to debate

(50:20):
back and forth.
Were there any things like thatever took place?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
People had opportunity the whole time, even
from the Ansar Law all the wayto when things hit the fan.
People had more than enoughopportunities to come and I have
seen personally on the landwhere many people have tried
right.
And I have seen personally onthe land where many people have
tried Right and I'm talkingabout conversations not just in

(50:47):
English, the way that you and Iare speaking now Right,
so-called American English anddebate with so-called Arabs
that's coming over here inAmerica, right, a whole
conversation in Arabic, right.
So my main thing is everybodyhad that opportunity.
But what's so unique is ifpeople do their own self-study.

(51:11):
In regards to whatever he putout in the form of a pamphlet or
whatever and I definitely gotto take time to address that you
say, uh, plagiarize.
That's one of the biggest liesand one of the biggest stones
that many people cast, becausethey can't explain how was it
possible for even back then,long before the internet, that

(51:31):
he was putting information out,long before DNA and all of this
stuff, that we started findingout about the Limba tribe, the
true Kohen priest and theso-called bloodline of the
original people?
We read that in one of the manydifferent pamphlets that he put
out.
One of them was called who'swho on Planet Earth.

(51:52):
Another one was called BelaoDeceptive Bearer, where he spoke
about the ancient Yahudahitethat migrated from what most
people know as Jerusalem, tookroute south and or went south
downward and took route upwardto land in Ethiopia.
How was it possible for him toput all of that information long

(52:14):
before the so-called internet,where you got these Google
gangsters and stuff out there?
I challenge you and anyone elsewho claim that he plagiarized,
who plagiarized what he wrote orwas divinely inspired within
the Holy Tablet, to produce acopy of it.

(52:34):
Many people say that God but noone is able to produce what he
gave to us all within theconfines of the Holy Tablet.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I say this because I say this?
Because you know there weremany authors back then, like the
Zechariah stitching, and thisis, like you know, information
that's out there People can lookup Morgan pointing to reference
books that he say he copiedfrom, morgan pointing to
reference books that he say hecopied from, and the fact that
he had people in there helpinghim write the books.
That will go to the librarypick up information.

(53:06):
It's not only Chuck Morgan,it's Bobby Hemet and many others
and you know who also used togo to the land.
Yeah, and going back to whenyou say the raid, you get what
I'm saying, because what worksfor you may not work for others.
You get what I'm saying,Because what works for you may
not work for others.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Okay, you know.

(53:28):
So I want to know what led tothe raid of 2008.
I mean 2002, may 8th of 2002,where everything you know
collapsed.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Well, there's a lot of information out there, but
from a sister who was therewhile I was being raided, there
was accusations that was goingagainst him that caused it, and
most of the people that prettymuch planted the seeds for our

(54:05):
land to be raided and taken awaywas no longer in the nation.
They had went on about theirlife, but they was only there to
cause a disruption anyway.
Right, but I'm going to speakon behalf of me taking time to
get to know him personally,because I'm not speaking from a

(54:28):
hearsay she say point of view.
I'm speaking from someone whotook time to get to know him.
So I'm speaking on thecharacter of the person I got to
know personally.
Yeah, then I was sitting andtalk with him throughout my
travels.
We were meeting personally.
Then I would sit and talk withhim throughout my travels.
We would meet and greet eachother More than just a mere
student type of teacher thing.

(54:48):
When you take time to spendtime with a person, get to know
the person.
Like many people who took thetime to get to know me, they
also can vouch for my character.
The same way that people canvouch for my character, I can
vouch for his character, thathe's not the type of person that
would do what he has beenaccused of.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
No, I understand what you're saying and you know I
heard the story.
You know disgruntled memberswhatsoever, but there are many
things out there.
You know what I'm saying and tome I'm coming in straight, I'm
coming straight out of themiddle, unbiased by what I see.
Ok, you say you knew him.
He didn't do those things.
But any man in his right mind,right, I don't care if I'm on my

(55:34):
code whatsoever as as, as heput it, the women were his code
defense, whatsoever, as he putit, the women were his
co-defendants whatsoever.
And they try to say that he wascoerced or forced to take the
plea agreement.
I'm not letting nobody put noegregious charge like that if
it's real or not on me and pleadguilty in court.

(55:55):
You understand, that's the partthat got me, because I'm like
the way this man speaks on tape.
You know proud, strong, fierce,and I'm like for a charge like
that to come.
And you say that they made yousay plead guilty.
I'm not doing that, especiallyat a hold up, though.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
let me ask you something hold up before you go.
There.
Are you married?
Yeah, now, according to whatwas presented to us, that his
wife was in need of certainthings that she wasn't getting
Right that at the time becausewhoever was handling the case at

(56:42):
the time, they wasn't dulyprepared to be able to do that.
Plus, his wife was goingthrough a challenge.
So, in order for and this isthe way these devils will come
at you you haven't been facedwith that yet, sir, and I
wouldn't be putting thatposition either.
You know until you put in thatposition, sir, know to you.
To you put in that position,sir, oh, you won't, you won't

(57:04):
you won't know that.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Let me tell you, even if somebody put me in that
position, or my life for my 41years on this earth, I'd rather
die on my feet than live in myknees.
I'm not sitting with nothinglike that, especially if I know
I'm innocent.
I'd rather die before die.
First, you know, as he claimedto have those years of knowledge
, there's no way I'm going toback down and let no freaking

(57:26):
system put no case like that onme, bro.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
But again, that's you and your experience.
Again, you won't be able toknow that until you're faced
with that.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
That won't happen.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
That's the situation I'm not neither here or there,
but to answer your question asfar as pertaining to that.
That's the way it was.
He did that in order for it tosave his wife's life.
Given that situation.
Right and sometimes, sometimeslike with me taking it off of
him.
I speak on me.
Okay, there was a situationwhere I had to plead guilty for

(58:00):
something I'm not going tomention now.
Definitely don't have nothingto do with children or anything
like that.
None of that silliness.
First of all, I'm a father,right, I'm a father with my own
children, right, and again, themany times of getting to know
him and his character, to havemy children around him, right,
and again, I can vouch for hischaracter, character not based

(58:21):
on what somebody said he saidand all of this other nonsense
that most people like togravitate to, because people's
mind already want to hear aboutsomething filthy and dirty and
what somebody else is doing,right, so that's besides the
point.
But my main thing is, forwhatever reason, that he did
that, because sometimes you haveto make certain choices for you

(58:45):
to be able to fight and at thattime, when things first hit the
fan, people wasn't reallyreally put in place to be able
to fight all of theseaccusations.
And, just like right now, I'mspeaking on behalf of his
character, right, you don't findtoo many people that will speak
on behalf of his character,right?
You don't find too many peoplethat will speak on behalf of his
character, like with me now.

(59:06):
I don't know how many peopleare watching when it's live or
when it's archived, right, butI'm going to show you how sick
the minds is that many of ourpeople are.
You take somebody like ChuckieDucky that can say all kinds of
degrading things and he can geta million and 99.999 million
people to watch and listen tothat nonsense.

(59:27):
But because I come forth again,not as a so-called follower but
a student, I come forth as aperson to say that I love and
respect him as much as my father.
I never needed him to be myfather because I had my own.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Right.
So I come from that standpoint.
But you got many people thatso-called disgruntled don't even
know their own father, fatherwouldn't even claim them, you
understand.
So you're dealing with peoplethat already had certain issues
in their own life.
One of the things that youwrote in the header and I
appreciate you doing that wasthe question Did people

(01:00:09):
misunderstood the Ansar lawmovement?
I want to take time to answerthat question if you don't mind.
It was very, very misunderstoodbecause it was the chance again
, because all that Ansar reallyis is an aider.
It don't have anything to dowith Islam, even though that
word you can find it withinAl-Quran, even though that's

(01:00:31):
mistranslated as a helper.
Many people wasn't there forthat purpose.
They wasn't there to be healed,even though they had all of the
opportunity.
Some people didn't even havefull healed, even though they
had all of the opportunity right.
Some people didn't even havefull clothes, water and shelter
they never experienced thatbefore and 24-hour security.

(01:00:51):
They never experienced thatbefore.
Right, so they had all of thatopportunity of learning not only
to sacrifice and have to go inbusiness for yourself.
For many brothers that used topeddle, that was again to me.
I like to call it the Miyagimethod.
Not only are you out therepedaling, learning how to sail
right For some people who quittheir nine to five jobs or

(01:01:12):
whatever, they were actuallylearning how to work for
themselves but didn't have towork for anyone else right?
These are the things, some ofthe things that most people
won't even hear about, that I'msharing with you and the rest of
the world no, and let me makethis clear all that I'm saying,

(01:01:32):
there's not no personal attackon you as individuals, so let's
get that straight I want them tohear, just like you say, you
experience good things, yourexperience may be great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I can't speak for your experience.
I can't speak for the victim'sexperience.
That's their experience.
It's just like I always usethis analogy we could be looking
at the same picture, but wehave different perspectives,
different experience, so wedon't know.
You understand what I'm saying.
My thing is this as you said,for us to move forward as a
people is that we learn frommistakes and move forward.

(01:02:05):
These things were done, theydone, but our people just need
to move forward and learn.
Terrible, whatever may havehappened, what may have happened
, but you know what I'm saying.
There was a point at one timehis information was good for
many.
It worked for many, so I'mgoing to keep it real.
Like that you get what I'msaying.
Mm-hmm, to each their own and Iknow we about the hour mark.

(01:02:28):
I'd like to have you come backon the show so we could go more
in depth, because we got theshow set up behind this one.
Okay, all right, we appreciatethe magic and again, making this
clear, it's nothing personalagainst you.
I want the listeners andviewers to know we're not here.
This is brothers is going backand forth and there was no
disrespect.
But I appreciate you for comingon the show.
You got to come back and weknow we'll have more dialogue

(01:02:50):
when brother runs on here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I appreciate it, fam.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Likewise.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Peace, peace, thank you.

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