May 22, 2025 • 46 mins
Revolutionary consciousness doesn't emerge overnight—it evolves through study, struggle, and spiritual seeking. Ross Jelani Adegum Simba's journey from Rastafarian roots to Regional Chairman of the New Black Panther Party's Mid-Atlantic division reveals the complex path of a modern revolutionary.Jelani shares his transformation through various Black nationalist traditions, studying with the Nation of Islam, Nation of Gods and Earths, and the Ansar Allah community before a fateful 1997 encounter with Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammad changed everything. His firsthand account of working with Muhammad—whom he describes as maintaining strict moral discipline within the organization—offers rare insights into an often mischaracterized movement.Beyond the guns and berets portrayed in media, Jelani reveals the NBPP's community-focused initiatives: clothing drives, food programs, self-defense training, and economic education. Yet even with these efforts, he acknowledges the challenges of organizing in Norfolk, Virginia, where resistance comes not just from traditional opponents but sometimes from within the Black community itself.The conversation takes a sobering turn as Jelani discusses the persistent threat of COINTELPRO-style infiltration, the power vacuum following Dr. Muhammad's death, and his perspective on America's future: "We are in the end times of this oppressive system... It's the end for somebody, but it's also somebody's end is a beginning for somebody else." This dialectical understanding frames the NBPP's urgent mission to build revolutionary consciousness while time remains.Whether you're a student of Black nationalist thought, curious about alternative political movements, or invested in understanding today's revolutionary organizations from the inside, this rare glimpse into the modern Black Panther movement offers essential conte
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
peace world.
I am back.
It's your brother, mikey fever,the eight o'clock show.
It's gonna be a great show.
We got the new black pantherparty of ross gilani out of gum
simba on our platform.
Welcome, brother, how you doing?
Black power, black power, blackpower, black power.
You hear that people.
Josh Jelani Adegum Simba on ourplatform.
Welcome, brother, how you doingBlack power, black power, black
power, black power.
You hear that, people.
He's going to break down hishistory, how he got involved
(00:34):
with the movement.
You get to learn more about thebrother and what he represents.
We're going to start it off.
Tell me, brother, where youfrom?
Man, I'm from Norfolk, from uhnorfolk virginia mm-hmm.
(00:54):
North fort virginia.
Yeah, born and raised, uh, bornand raised north of virginia.
That's what's up, man.
So tell me upbringing how didyou?
How did you, um, did you growup like in a religious, known
family and all that?
How was your upbringing?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Definitely.
My mom was Rastafarian so Igrew up Rastafarian Big up.
It was kind of too close toChristianity for me so I kind of
moved on to some schools ofIslam.
Oh, I got you Islam.
Oh I got you More science.
Temple, nation of Islam, nationof Gods and Earths.
(01:30):
Okay, and I was in the AnsarAllah community when I actually
met Dr Khalid Abdul Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Peace, peace, peace, peace, sister, how you doing
Peace?
My sister shout out to her mandoing her thing, beautiful black
queen right there.
So that's what's up.
So you say Rastafarianism wasclose to Christianity.
For you A little too close,because I kind of see
aesthetically, as you know, morepower to the people, how you
see, and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, you know I'm talking about the Bible pod and
the Bible stories.
I kind of grew out of that intolearning where the Bible came
from and different types ofstuff like that as well.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So, as you mentioned, your family's from Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's what's up.
Shout out to my Jamaican peopleBig up man.
So you said you started, youveered from that and got into
Islam.
So you started studying withthe Nation of Islam out there in
Virginia.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, became a member of the Nation of Islam.
You know, worked with them fora little while.
You know worked with them for alittle while.
Moved on to different schoolslike Nation of Gods and Earth.
More science to pull.
(02:53):
Ended up in the Anzalotcommunity under Imam Isa al-Hadi
al-Mahti.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Oh word, yeah, you was out there.
You made your way down toBrooklyn to study and all that
too.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, we made my way up to upstate New York, jazir
Abed, and then Brooklyn and downto Edenton, georgia as well.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
All right, that's interesting.
We'll talk about that someother time.
Definitely, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So, with all your journey, with experiencing all
these school of thoughts, whatmade you settle on becoming a
member of the Black PantherParty, dr Khalid Muhammad, in
1997.
I was actually out thereselling oils and incinents and
he walked up and we had aconversation.
I had already did my researchto who he was in his speeches
and all that, so when he walkedup, it was like a shock and a
(04:02):
blessing at the same time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Word.
That's what I said, theinformation that he started
pouring into you.
You already had someinformation from a different
school of thought you have youknow, visited and studied with,
but I guess, as you said, hispresence what captivated you
more to learn more about themovement, to get involved.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yes, definitely.
He's the reason why I'm amember of the New Black Panther
Party, so my loyalty isdefinitely to Khalil Muhammad,
even though I've served under atleast four different chairmen
in the New Black Panther Party.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Alright, got you.
So how was the climate likeafter joining the Black Panther
Party?
How was the climate like afterjoining the Black Panther Party?
How was the climate like inNorfolk, VA?
What's the demographic outthere amongst Caucasians and
African-Americans?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, here in the Tidewater area, it's most of us
mostly Black people.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's most of us mostly black people, but once
you step outside the Tidewaterarea in Virginia, it's more
Caucasians than black people inVirginia.
Did you come across like any?
I don't know when?
You joined the new BlackPanther Party.
You're breaking up a little bitthe new Black Panther Party.
You're breaking up a little bitthe new Black Panther Party.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You joined in the college.
Yes, the new Black PantherParty for self-defense.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
All right.
So how was it like when youjoined?
What does the enlisting roleentail?
What kind of people do you workwith Processing reading books?
What kind of people do youprocess Even books?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, we have a manual.
We have a 10-point platform ninelocal objectives, five duties
of a Panther, 12 general orders.
So all that's within the manualof the New Black Panther Party
(06:09):
and the manual.
We're not a religiousorganization.
If we was, then the manualwould be our Bible, and so the
manual is what we go by, is whatwe study.
We study all the contentswithin the manual of the New
Black Panther Party.
I have the original, one of theoriginal manuals.
(06:32):
It's thick with a whole lot ofpages.
Now the manual has been revisedand stuff like that over the
years.
I still have the original andmostly go by the original manual
, the one that we would haveunder Dr Khalil Abdul-Mohamed.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Alright, and was this had to be memorized?
Do they test you on it?
Do like a question and answer arecall in order to be a full
member.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, there are certain things that you're
supposed to study to get certainpasses within the new Black
Panther Party, your 12 generalorders and your 10-point
platform you're supposed tostudy.
Of course they test and see ifpeople can recall.
(07:24):
And then we have politicaleducation classes where we
actually go into the contents ofthe 10-point program and five
duties of the Panther and 12general orders and stuff like
that as well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Got you, got you Okay .
So you did the study and youenrolled.
You did the study and youenrolled, you did the study.
Do they hold weekly classes andstuff like that for you guys?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, every chapter is supposed to have weekly
meetings according to the manual.
We have bi-weekly well,bi-monthly meetings because
we're active in other things aswell, like clothing drives, food
drives, security, differentprograms that we got going on.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
All right, got you, so all right, okay, that's cool.
So with that, like how many,how many members were involved
in your how many members were inyour, in your chapter?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm like Khalid on that one I was told never to
give out numbers.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Oh, I got that.
I respect that.
I got that.
I got that, but you guys werewere deep, all right.
So, being that you're inNorfolk, virginia, and I know
that state could get very umhostile.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Were there any conflicts you guys ever came
across out there?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
a lot of different conflicts, mostly among you know
, sadly said, but mostly amongour own people.
Really, yeah, really not, youknow, just not wanting to be
(09:23):
informed and add on, and I thinka lot of them are scared of
adding on to the new BlackPanther Party and other Black
nationalist groups.
It's not like any other city,like when you go outside of
(09:43):
Norfolk, like if you go to NewYork or Jersey or somewhere.
It's a lot more cultural thanNorfolk, virginia.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I got you.
So why was that?
Why were you getting a lot ofresistance from our own people?
What created that?
Was it misinformation,cointelpro?
Or they just felt the approachwas too much for them out there
at the time?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, you know, a lot of people feel like the new
Black Panther Party itself, notjust in awful Virginia, but a
lot of people feel like it's abit hard and harsh.
I mean, that's according to youknow, the way that the media
(10:30):
and stuff like that makes well,all Panthers, not just the new
Black Panther Party.
The media makes all Panthersappear bad.
When we're doing communityprograms and stuff, stuff to
help our people, all they wantto show is the Panthers with the
guns which is nothing wrongwith being a Panther and having
(10:53):
a gun, let me say that.
But they show a different sideto the public.
Some of the public knows betterbecause they participate in the
programs like the clothingdrives and food drives and
cultural events that we have andwe invite lecturers in and
(11:18):
stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You guys have breakfast programs as well,
right, like the originalpainters had.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, we don't have ours up and running right now.
We we have had it in in thepast.
Uh, we're looking forward togetting that back up and running
.
Like we said, we need moreparticipation from the uh, from
the people, in order to keepmore pro multiple programs going
at once Got you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I respect that All right.
So then, so you say you got alot of resistance from the
people in the community, how wasit dealing with the white
population out there?
No, no real static with them orpolice, you know, when they
seen you guys out there inpublic, you know, say, for
instance, you guys were carryingguns or not carrying guns, or
just congregating within acertain area, did they ever
(12:10):
harass you guys?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Not on my watch.
We get respect from everybody.
Mostly the time when we dealwith law enforcement, I'm the
front man, so I got to you knowas a general, I got to make sure
you know that my soldiers areall right and that everything is
(12:40):
being done according to the law, and stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh, so you guys study civics as well.
Yes, that's what's up, man Alot of civics and stuff, case
studies and everything else.
Knowing the law, did you guysever provide classes of
economics for the people?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, at one time we did have economic classes.
We have cultural classes allthe time Self-defense classes,
mixed muscle arts training andstuff like that.
Food programs, stuff like thatAll right, that's what's up, so
(13:30):
okay.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So you had the food programs.
You had cultural events withpeople in the community.
There was some resistance fromsome blacks in the area.
How was it like working with DrKhaled if you could break that
down once you got to know him?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Working with Dr Khaled was amazing, let me say I
worked with him a lot, but notas much as some other people.
I did work with him a lot whenI worked with him, going on
maneuvers with him, actually,you know, talking to him a lot
(14:11):
and getting to see how he wastraining soldiers and stuff like
that as well His morals weredefinitely in check and the new
Black Panther Party was underhim, under his leadership,
(14:34):
morally in check.
Now, after he passed away, alot of stuff happened.
A lot of people lost theirmorals and started doing
different crazy stuff.
Uh, uh rebirth the new blackpanther party and uh got rid of
(15:11):
a lot of the bull crap and uh,people that were uh basically
doing uh, corn tail pro typestuff.
That's that's why they wereagents just some.
Some of them are too done dumbto be called agent.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So that's where I find that Okay.
So you guys still face thetactics of Cointelpro.
So how can one determine thatone's an agent?
Like you know, what do you guyslook out for to determine that
individual is an agent withinthe organization?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
we do background checks.
Uh, everybody come in has tohave a background check.
Uh, the background checks aredone by national uh and local as
well, but really the burden ison uh national Nashville to do
the background check.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So you know there are certain things that.
No, you can't say, you can'tsay on here, but yeah, yeah,
certain things you can't say,yeah definitely, and I respect
that.
You know, because you know thatthat's something that's kind of
like, you know.
You know salute to the Panthersand rest in peace to Khaled.
You know for those who putthemselves on the front line to
defend the people and fight forthe people's honor and integrity
(16:30):
and their rights.
But I know it's chaotic to dealwith.
You know COINTELPRO in placefor you.
Don't know who's coming to thefront door Because you know, not
all skinfolk are kinfolk.
You know what I'm saying, asthey put it.
But yeah, you mentioned thatwhen Khaled was alive he
(16:51):
enforced strict moral policy andcodes of ethics amongst the
movement.
So you said, after he passed,some people fell off.
Was there a kind of strugglefor power within there, like a
power vacuum, people trying totake over?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
over.
Yeah, definitely a power vacuumand just people just getting
loose after, because KhalilMuhammad was definitely a
soldier, straight soldier, sosome people felt like they could
(17:29):
get loose after that.
Trust me, that wasn't the moveto make.
If anything, we needed totighten up even more.
Some people just got loose andlost their morals and just
(17:50):
started doing stuff outside themanual and just going to the
left.
That's wild, bro, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That's wild.
So, okay, after that happened,you said that you really did
some maneuvers with Khaled, likesecurity detail for him and all
that made sure all eyes was onhim at all times, stuff like
that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
More than likely.
We was doing maneuvers andstuff like that.
I went on a maneuver inPhiladelphia, washington DC.
I can remember going toWashington DC protesting against
George W Bush the first GeorgeW Bush, the first George W Bush
(18:33):
and Khalil Muhammad had us andwe had basically more rag here
than the police did.
Oh, wow, yeah, and those typeof events.
You know going back after that,you know going out to dinner
(18:54):
with Khalid and stuff like that.
One of his favorite spots wasSylvia's in Harlem.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I know that was his spot.
Yeah, most definitely, becauseI remember as a child I attended
the Million Youth March.
He had, yeah, in Harlem.
That was.
That was something to remember,very electrifying when he hit
the stage and how he had thepeople.
He had the people in the frenzyman and I see the threat that
(19:23):
he represented.
And I even know that there weremultiple attempts made on
Khaled's life.
I believe there was one pointhe was shot at one point, I
believe, yeah yeah, definitelyOut in California by some guy
named James Best.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, he was shot in the leg out there in California.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
That's crazy man.
So do you still keep in contactwith his family, or like his
son, farrah Gray, I believe?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
No, I'm not.
I'm not in direct contact.
He is on my Facebook page.
I mean if that means anything.
But we don't necessarily talklike that.
He's on some relationship typestuff.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I got you I got you relationship type stuff.
I got you, I got you.
So you mentioned that you waspart of.
You know we jumping back andforth that you was part of the
Nation of Islam, right, were youever part of Fruit of Islam?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yes, A long time ago I received my ex and was in the
FOI.
As a matter of fact, a longtime ago I received my ex and it
was in the FOI.
That's what's up.
As a matter of fact, Imentioned I was rostered for him
before that.
Yeah, you did.
I had long locks.
I listened to him in Farrakhan.
(20:45):
I had to cut him off to jointhe FOI.
I kind of sort of regrettedcutting my locks.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Cutting your locks off, man, because you know, I
know like, as you said earlier,most Rastafarians they are into
like Marcus Garvey and all that,they always talk about Ali
Selassie and they always givehonors to Marcus Garvey.
So it's kind of like you know,kind of see the faces.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Huh, I say no question, I'm still a Garveyite.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Gary, Gary, so that militancy was still there.
Yeah, so you kind of.
So it was ingrained in you fromyoung to lead the direction you
are.
I don't know I'm not trying totake away no shade but did they
have any kind of militancy whenyou were part of the?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Ansar community.
Yes, we had something calledthe Swords of Islam, the SOI,
which a lot of people don't knowabout, and the Swords of Islam
was like the military unit forthe assalam al-qaeda okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
How was that?
Was that required a lot oftraining in that too?
Or was it just about to justcarry swords all day?
Yeah?
It was strange no strange, itwas training about no class.
So so what made you?
What made you leave the nationof of Islam to go into the
Nation of Gods and Earth?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, you know, I just kept studying.
They say knowledge is infinite,right, so I just kept growing
and growing and growing.
You know no disrespect toanything that I've been in.
Everything that I've been in isa part of my growth and I had
(22:38):
to learn that.
I learned that when I becameNawabi, which is more universal
than anything.
So you know no disrespect tonobody in the Nation of Islam.
Rastafarians, we're all Black,we're all a part of the same
(23:00):
fight.
And you know, if you can jointhe new Black Panther Party, we
just want the militant one.
We don't want everybody, wejust want the militant one.
We don't want everybody, wejust want the militants out of
everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I got you, that's so.
So you Rastafarian Nation ofIslam, nation of Gods and Earth,
and then, I believe, yours willjump into more science temple,
yes, okay, and how was yourstint there?
How was your time there?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
well, I didn't uh, probably too long there.
Uh, just enough to learn a lotabout nobody uh whom I love and
respect.
Uh, uh, like I said, I studiedfrom, studied from all of them
Gavi, honorable Elijah Muhammad.
(23:55):
Noble Jew Ali.
I studied from all of them,dahlia York, khalid.
I learned from some of the bestand try to just fight for the
right thing.
(24:15):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Information.
It's just constant positiveeducation leads to elevation.
You're just constantly learning, picking up information bits
and pieces there to apply toyour own journey.
Basically, I respect that, allright.
So when you um and youmentioned that I do community
work and everything else, do youonly do work here in virginia
(24:41):
or you go global like?
You do globally to like dorecruitment and community work.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, I'm a local chairman for north of Virginia.
I'm also a regional chairmanfor the Mid-Atlantic region of
the MBPP, which consists of fivestates Pennsylvania, maryland,
dc, virginia and North Carolina.
(25:09):
That's my regional position,but I do be going out a little
bit to the northeast andsometimes down in Georgia.
My page is MBPP Norfolk, vachapter.
(25:29):
I recruit a lot of people fromthe page as well.
Uh, nbpp no for VA chapter.
Uh, I recruit a lot of peopleuh from the page as well.
Uh, link them up with their uhregional commanders and national
and yeah, uh, it expands alittle bit further than uh my
regional uh duties.
Uh, we do get people from uh uhon the international level as
(25:55):
well.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That's dope, that's dope, so listening to this is
very powerful.
So how do how do I know youprobably can't answer get to in
depth with this question, buthow do you guys view today's
political climate, how do thePanthers, you know, from your
perspective?
How do you see it playing outtoday for our people from your
(26:19):
perspective?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I can't speak for every Panther, but I do have a
lot of political views as far aswhat's going on.
I do know from studying that weare in the.
I don't want to sound like adoomsday preacher or nothing
(26:44):
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I speak in mind .
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We are in the end times.
It's the end for somebody, butit's also somebody's end is a
beginning for somebody else.
So we are in the end time ofthis oppressive system.
We should be doing a lot moreto come together as a people,
(27:16):
but I see a lot of our peoplethink that it's a joke and
they're wasting time and we'rerunning out of time.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So it's never either come to the conclusion that it's
never been the masses that hasrisen up.
There's always been a few thathas on a revolutionary
standpoint.
There's always been a few thathave led the charge.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I see that it's only a few.
Many would call a few.
A few are chosen to embark onthis journey to represent for
the people and to want to defendthe people.
And as we have learned throughhistorical events, what happened
to former Panthers in the past,like you know, your Fred
Hamptons, mark Clark, huey Peaseand many others who were taken
(28:18):
out, you know, by Cointelpro orthe powers that be.
I know there was traininginvolved.
We're not going to talk aboutthat, only especially about that
on here, especially.
But um, with knowing the law,because you know the law is
constantly changed when it comesto like bearing arms and stuff
like that do you guys stay up todate on what's taking place as
(28:39):
far as you know bearing arms?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
yes, definitely.
Uh, we stay up to date on thoselaws uh.
We studied, uh you know, thegun laws uh, in various states
as well, not just our state, butin various states as well, and
(29:02):
we need to be aware of that on anational and international
level as well.
International level as well,definitely on a national level,
dealing with this up and comingmartial law that was already
signed by Trump and supposed tocome into effect sometime in
July.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I keep hearing about that With this martial law.
I know it probably putseverybody on edge.
At the moment Everybody's onguard, waiting because you know
there's a lot of uncertaintywith what's going on with this
country internationally sayingthat we're on the brink of war
whatsoever, do you?
I know Panthers speak aboutthis in Nation of Islam and many
(29:46):
other groups spoke about this,saying that it could be an
internal war within the confinesof this country, a racial war.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be an internal war.
People fail to realize thatAmerica will fall from the
outside and inside.
The outside will most likely bea cover for what's going on on
the inside.
Uh, so definitely, uh, civilwar, uh, racial war, uh, state
(30:19):
of anarchy, or whatever you wantto call it.
Purge, whatever you want tocall it the purge.
Yeah, it's definitely.
Uh, it's definitely on the way.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
It's closer now than now all right, I don't know, man
, you be making music, you rapman.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
No, I'm not.
I'm not a rapper, not a rapperat all.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I thought I'm like you're a rapper man.
You got that laid back likeprodigy or something from Mom D.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know what I'm saying.
It goes down.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That's my Coolio going on.
That's your Coolio, I got you.
I hear that.
But yo, it's so real man.
It's an honor to interview you,man, because you know I heard
like the Panthers are still ineffect and I met a few.
Recently at a Dead Prez show Imet a brother named Shep,
brother Shep from New York, Idon't know if you know of him.
(31:16):
Shout out to Brother Shep hewas speaking about another
Panther that's doing life inprison that they somehow
falsified some charges on him.
Did he say his name?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Huh Did he say his name?
Because we got a lot ofpolitical prisoners.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, that's one of them.
I forgot his name, man.
Oh man, this is up in New York.
I forgot man.
Something happened, but he's apolitical prisoner in there.
Like they gave him a, theytried to work a deal with him
Not saying he was stitching ornothing like that but then they
just somehow pulled the rug fromunder him.
So now he's doing life I got.
The name will come back to me.
So it's like to hear somethinglike that.
(31:58):
Like so many other politicalprisoners from the movement that
are still that are, that arecurrently locked up from the 60s
to this day.
It's kind of crazy.
Like, how do you guys likebring awareness and how do you
combat that Within the system?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, you know we support the protests to free
these political prisoners andstuff like that as well.
We have, you know, prisonministries and stuff like that
going on as well.
Some people, some Panthers,have contact with certain
(32:43):
political prisoners and stufflike that.
So you know, we put thepolitical education out there as
well.
On the political prisoners, youknow their names, their cases
Jamil Alameen, mumia Bouchamar.
Yeah, even within the New BlackPanther Party we got Brother
(33:07):
Hannibal Rushdie Dean, which wasyou know he was him and Dr
Khalil were tight and you knowhe's in prison in New York.
So you know, we got, you know,political prisoners within the
(33:28):
new Black Panther Party as well.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Damn, that's good as well.
Some bogus charges pinned onthem or something, I don't know.
I have a question for you,right, this may be a little off
the left.
Do the new Black Panthers dealwith the NFAC individuals?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Do the new Black Panthers deal with the NFAC
individuals?
I can't speak for everybody,but NFAC, we're definitely in
the new Black Panther Party,definitely a part of the
coalition.
Okay, my chapter.
(34:15):
We definitely try to make thelink with, in fact, other Black
organizations because you know,came under Dr Khalil Muhammad,
you always talk about that BlackUnited Front and you know you
got to work with other Blackorganizations Most definitely.
Other Black organizations thatare willing to work with you
(34:35):
Exactly, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I learned about, in fact, during the time when the
whole George Floyd riots weretaking place that's some of
that's five years ago, and weremember seeing them on
television.
In fact, individuals, and theywere out there, you know, making
their presence known, marching,you know, arm in hand, and
everything else, and people waslike, oh shoot, this is a
resurgence of the Black Panthers.
(35:00):
But they just call it NFAC.
So I was always curious, I wasalways wanting to inquire about
that, to see whether or not thePanthers in fact made one, which
to me would be a dope thing.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, there are a lot of Panthers.
In fact, when you break it down, they're not effing around
coalition.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So when you?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
say coalition, there are a number of different groups
that make up.
In fact, I had the pleasure ofmeeting Grandmaster J at Hasim
Azinger's funeral down inGeorgia, so I had the pleasure
(35:42):
of being on stage with him aswell with him as well.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
We had a Panther on it.
Like in the beginning of thisplatform, we had a Panther on
here.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
King Samir yeah, I'm familiar with.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Brother King, samir, king, samir, that brother man,
intense.
I met him in person becausethat's where my brother Ron and
I linked up at a Black Pantherrally.
They had like a hands-off AsadaShakur back in 2012.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, he used to be the local chairman for.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Philadelphia.
Yeah, so I met him out there inNew York I mean, in New York is
where I'm from and I met him.
I met him and Malik Malik ZulShabazz and I was just like yo.
They were like you know, samirwas on like no joke, man,
(36:37):
there's a militancy and I met afew other brothers in there
because there was a sister thereI knew I keep forgetting her
name Like she basically grew upin my neighborhood.
Her husband passed away in thehospital, wasn't a sister to
Keisha, was she?
I think so Short Tarscan sister, brooklyn.
Oh, I thought she was fromJersey.
No, no, from Brooklyn, brooklyn.
(36:58):
And you know, like you know,rest in peace to the elder.
He passed away and she was likeat the Asada Shakur rally.
She was saying a whole bunch ofthings and I'm like I know this
sister, she's from myneighborhood, so he was kicking
it and I was just there.
I remember I seen King Samir.
He made a whole perimeteraround Malik Zulu when they were
(37:20):
speaking about Asada, the wholehands off thing for Asada.
I haven't heard anything elseabout that case.
Is she still public enemynumber one, according to the FBI
?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well, I don't want to .
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Let's leave that.
Let's leave Auntie alone.
My bad.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
All I know is.
The one thing I would like tosay about that is maybe I
shouldn't throw his name outthere.
Al Shock, al a rat.
(38:03):
Yeah, definitely try to set thesister up, the man with the
perm.
Yeah, the man with the big headand the little body.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, basically you got to remember a lot of these
people.
Like I said, not all skinfolkare kinfolk.
Hands off, auntie.
She did what she had, allegedlyshe did what she had to do.
Maybe it was that guy's day andlet's just leave it.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's what.
(38:36):
That's what's up.
Man so is.
Is Malik Zulu Shabazz still amember of the new black Panther
party or chairman?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Uh, no, he's.
Uh, he stepped down.
Uh, and then what?
No, he stepped down.
What, yeah, he stepped down.
And then we had our lastchairman.
After him was Babu Omowale.
(39:04):
And then Babu Omowale steppeddown, November the 1st of last
year, and we've been running bythe National Central Committee
ever since.
We didn't have a nationaltournament.
Until what day was that MalcolmX's birthday this year?
(39:27):
May 19th, yeah, May 19th.
We just and I don't thinknobody knows, but we have.
Our national chairman for thenew Black Panther Party is
Brother Darrell Hawkins.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That's what's up.
man, I got to come to one ofyour rallies one day, man, come
chill, come build man yourrallies one day, man, come chill
, Come, build man.
Get some information, man,because I was always fascinated
with the Panthers, what theyrepresented you know what I'm
saying Like the defiance of them, the stepping, you know,
(40:06):
basically sticking into thepowers that be letting them know
that we won't take this layingdown.
You're going to hear our voices.
We're going to enforce change.
We're going to create ripplesto let you know that if we unify
, we could shift things.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
No, definitely, I mean definitely.
I hope to meet you when I cometo Jersey, because I'll be
recruiting in jersey as well.
Uh, new york, uh, I'm gonna,you know, I'll be going around
recruiting, uh, within my regionand a little bit above my
region, outside of my region.
(40:42):
That's what's up, bro settingup recruitment meetings and
building up the new blackpanther party so do you guys
also do?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
are you in contact with the Young Lords?
Are they still in practice?
Also, Are they still in effect?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
The Young Lords.
That was under the originalBlack Panther Party.
When I say original BlackPanther Party, I'm talking about
original 1966.
Panther Party.
I'm talking about original 1966.
Up Newton and Bobby Sears andthem.
I haven't heard much about theYoung Lords and stuff like that.
But being in the new BlackPanther Party, we don't really
(41:23):
have alliances with a bunch ofoutside groups other than the
focus is more on our people.
I respect that Dealing withother groups, not to say that we
can't deal with them but thefocus is when we get our house
in order.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's senseless to go outside.
I respect that many much anddefinitely I understand where
you're coming from.
That's deep right there.
Um, yeah, so many questions Iwant to ask.
I'm just trying to like whatbooks would you recommend for
somebody who's trying to learnabout the new Black Panther
Party?
Like, where would you guide,like our listeners and our
(42:03):
viewers to go?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
uh, definitely, uh, read the book of Khalid Muhammad
, which was written by MalikZulu Sabath.
There are other books as wellAsada by Asada Sikora, some of
our videos that we watch I'mtold the study is Drop Squad,
(42:30):
the Iceman Inheritance some ofthe books Basically we study the
manual and within the manual wehave a list of books to study
within the new black Pantherparty as well.
So definitely, everybody shouldbe as a Panther.
(42:55):
You should be doing your, yourresearch.
You should be doing yourresearch to how your
organization started, not onlyhow the new black Panther party
started, but as well as how theoriginal Panther party started
as well, and a lot of Panthersis in the new black Panther
Party started, but as well ashow the original Panther Party
started as well, and a lot ofPanthers that's in the new Black
Panther Party don't even knowthe history of the new Black
Panther Party.
So we started in 1989 in Dallas, texas, and it was a cross
(43:24):
between some of the originalBlack Panther Party members from
1966 and the Black MuslimMovement and that became the new
Black Panther Party forSelf-Defense in 1989 in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
All right, Got you, brother.
Where can the people reach youat if you don't mind dropping
your social media handle?
Yeah, well, the people reachyou at If you don't mind
dropping your social mediahandle.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, well, you can reach me at mbpp va chapter on
Facebook.
It's about to be full, soeverybody who can't get on will
just have to follow after that.
We're about to reach that 5,000mark.
Definitely, definitely, I'malso constantly deleting people,
(44:16):
people who come up there andlaugh, say they come into class,
come in to join and don't join.
I delete you fast if you liketo definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I hear that the brother's serious.
So, people, if you go on there,you learn more beyond what's
your word.
So I appreciate you, my brother, for coming on there.
Man, you know what I'm saying,no problem, no doubt.
I appreciate you and we'd liketo have you come back on this on
this platform to discuss more.
You know what I'm saying,things that we can discuss, but
you know, salute to you and thebrothers of the NBPP, and you
(44:53):
know what I'm saying.
Don't forget to comment, like,share, subscribe my people.
We had Ross Jelani, adam Goom,simba of the New Black Panther
Party VA chapter.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, you know what I'm sayingthis brother, go in check him
out.
They out there doing the work,man NYP.
Appreciate you, my brother, andwe out Black Power, black Power
(45:15):
.
peace world.
I am back.
It's your brother, mikey fever,the eight o'clock show.
It's gonna be a great show.
We got the new black pantherparty of ross gilani out of gum
simba on our platform.
Welcome, brother, how you doing?
Black power, black power, blackpower, black power.
You hear that people.
Josh Jelani Adegum Simba on ourplatform.
Welcome, brother, how you doingBlack power, black power, black
power, black power.
You hear that, people.
He's going to break down hishistory, how he got involved
(00:34):
with the movement.
You get to learn more about thebrother and what he represents.
We're going to start it off.
Tell me, brother, where youfrom?
Man, I'm from Norfolk, from uhnorfolk virginia mm-hmm.
(00:54):
North fort virginia.
Yeah, born and raised, uh, bornand raised north of virginia.
That's what's up, man.
So tell me upbringing how didyou?
How did you, um, did you growup like in a religious, known
family and all that?
How was your upbringing?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Definitely.
My mom was Rastafarian so Igrew up Rastafarian Big up.
It was kind of too close toChristianity for me so I kind of
moved on to some schools ofIslam.
Oh, I got you Islam.
Oh I got you More science.
Temple, nation of Islam, nationof Gods and Earths.
(01:30):
Okay, and I was in the AnsarAllah community when I actually
met Dr Khalid Abdul Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Peace, peace, peace, peace, sister, how you doing
Peace?
My sister shout out to her mandoing her thing, beautiful black
queen right there.
So that's what's up.
So you say Rastafarianism wasclose to Christianity.
For you A little too close,because I kind of see
aesthetically, as you know, morepower to the people, how you
see, and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, you know I'm talking about the Bible pod and
the Bible stories.
I kind of grew out of that intolearning where the Bible came
from and different types ofstuff like that as well.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So, as you mentioned, your family's from Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's what's up.
Shout out to my Jamaican peopleBig up man.
So you said you started, youveered from that and got into
Islam.
So you started studying withthe Nation of Islam out there in
Virginia.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, became a member of the Nation of Islam.
You know, worked with them fora little while.
You know worked with them for alittle while.
Moved on to different schoolslike Nation of Gods and Earth.
More science to pull.
(02:53):
Ended up in the Anzalotcommunity under Imam Isa al-Hadi
al-Mahti.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Oh word, yeah, you was out there.
You made your way down toBrooklyn to study and all that
too.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, we made my way up to upstate New York, jazir
Abed, and then Brooklyn and downto Edenton, georgia as well.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
All right, that's interesting.
We'll talk about that someother time.
Definitely, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So, with all your journey, with experiencing all
these school of thoughts, whatmade you settle on becoming a
member of the Black PantherParty, dr Khalid Muhammad, in
1997.
I was actually out thereselling oils and incinents and
he walked up and we had aconversation.
I had already did my researchto who he was in his speeches
and all that, so when he walkedup, it was like a shock and a
(04:02):
blessing at the same time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Word.
That's what I said, theinformation that he started
pouring into you.
You already had someinformation from a different
school of thought you have youknow, visited and studied with,
but I guess, as you said, hispresence what captivated you
more to learn more about themovement, to get involved.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yes, definitely.
He's the reason why I'm amember of the New Black Panther
Party, so my loyalty isdefinitely to Khalil Muhammad,
even though I've served under atleast four different chairmen
in the New Black Panther Party.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Alright, got you.
So how was the climate likeafter joining the Black Panther
Party?
How was the climate like afterjoining the Black Panther Party?
How was the climate like inNorfolk, VA?
What's the demographic outthere amongst Caucasians and
African-Americans?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, here in the Tidewater area, it's most of us
mostly Black people.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's most of us mostly black people, but once
you step outside the Tidewaterarea in Virginia, it's more
Caucasians than black people inVirginia.
Did you come across like any?
I don't know when?
You joined the new BlackPanther Party.
You're breaking up a little bitthe new Black Panther Party.
You're breaking up a little bitthe new Black Panther Party.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You joined in the college.
Yes, the new Black PantherParty for self-defense.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
All right.
So how was it like when youjoined?
What does the enlisting roleentail?
What kind of people do you workwith Processing reading books?
What kind of people do youprocess Even books?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, we have a manual.
We have a 10-point platform ninelocal objectives, five duties
of a Panther, 12 general orders.
So all that's within the manualof the New Black Panther Party
(06:09):
and the manual.
We're not a religiousorganization.
If we was, then the manualwould be our Bible, and so the
manual is what we go by, is whatwe study.
We study all the contentswithin the manual of the New
Black Panther Party.
I have the original, one of theoriginal manuals.
(06:32):
It's thick with a whole lot ofpages.
Now the manual has been revisedand stuff like that over the
years.
I still have the original andmostly go by the original manual
, the one that we would haveunder Dr Khalil Abdul-Mohamed.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Alright, and was this had to be memorized?
Do they test you on it?
Do like a question and answer arecall in order to be a full
member.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, there are certain things that you're
supposed to study to get certainpasses within the new Black
Panther Party, your 12 generalorders and your 10-point
platform you're supposed tostudy.
Of course they test and see ifpeople can recall.
(07:24):
And then we have politicaleducation classes where we
actually go into the contents ofthe 10-point program and five
duties of the Panther and 12general orders and stuff like
that as well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Got you, got you Okay .
So you did the study and youenrolled.
You did the study and youenrolled, you did the study.
Do they hold weekly classes andstuff like that for you guys?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, every chapter is supposed to have weekly
meetings according to the manual.
We have bi-weekly well,bi-monthly meetings because
we're active in other things aswell, like clothing drives, food
drives, security, differentprograms that we got going on.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
All right, got you, so all right, okay, that's cool.
So with that, like how many,how many members were involved
in your how many members were inyour, in your chapter?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm like Khalid on that one I was told never to
give out numbers.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Oh, I got that.
I respect that.
I got that.
I got that, but you guys werewere deep, all right.
So, being that you're inNorfolk, virginia, and I know
that state could get very umhostile.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Were there any conflicts you guys ever came
across out there?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
a lot of different conflicts, mostly among you know
, sadly said, but mostly amongour own people.
Really, yeah, really not, youknow, just not wanting to be
(09:23):
informed and add on, and I thinka lot of them are scared of
adding on to the new BlackPanther Party and other Black
nationalist groups.
It's not like any other city,like when you go outside of
(09:43):
Norfolk, like if you go to NewYork or Jersey or somewhere.
It's a lot more cultural thanNorfolk, virginia.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I got you.
So why was that?
Why were you getting a lot ofresistance from our own people?
What created that?
Was it misinformation,cointelpro?
Or they just felt the approachwas too much for them out there
at the time?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, you know, a lot of people feel like the new
Black Panther Party itself, notjust in awful Virginia, but a
lot of people feel like it's abit hard and harsh.
I mean, that's according to youknow, the way that the media
(10:30):
and stuff like that makes well,all Panthers, not just the new
Black Panther Party.
The media makes all Panthersappear bad.
When we're doing communityprograms and stuff, stuff to
help our people, all they wantto show is the Panthers with the
guns which is nothing wrongwith being a Panther and having
(10:53):
a gun, let me say that.
But they show a different sideto the public.
Some of the public knows betterbecause they participate in the
programs like the clothingdrives and food drives and
cultural events that we have andwe invite lecturers in and
(11:18):
stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You guys have breakfast programs as well,
right, like the originalpainters had.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, we don't have ours up and running right now.
We we have had it in in thepast.
Uh, we're looking forward togetting that back up and running
.
Like we said, we need moreparticipation from the uh, from
the people, in order to keepmore pro multiple programs going
at once Got you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I respect that All right.
So then, so you say you got alot of resistance from the
people in the community, how wasit dealing with the white
population out there?
No, no real static with them orpolice, you know, when they
seen you guys out there inpublic, you know, say, for
instance, you guys were carryingguns or not carrying guns, or
just congregating within acertain area, did they ever
(12:10):
harass you guys?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Not on my watch.
We get respect from everybody.
Mostly the time when we dealwith law enforcement, I'm the
front man, so I got to you knowas a general, I got to make sure
you know that my soldiers areall right and that everything is
(12:40):
being done according to the law, and stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh, so you guys study civics as well.
Yes, that's what's up, man Alot of civics and stuff, case
studies and everything else.
Knowing the law, did you guysever provide classes of
economics for the people?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, at one time we did have economic classes.
We have cultural classes allthe time Self-defense classes,
mixed muscle arts training andstuff like that.
Food programs, stuff like thatAll right, that's what's up, so
(13:30):
okay.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So you had the food programs.
You had cultural events withpeople in the community.
There was some resistance fromsome blacks in the area.
How was it like working with DrKhaled if you could break that
down once you got to know him?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Working with Dr Khaled was amazing, let me say I
worked with him a lot, but notas much as some other people.
I did work with him a lot whenI worked with him, going on
maneuvers with him, actually,you know, talking to him a lot
(14:11):
and getting to see how he wastraining soldiers and stuff like
that as well His morals weredefinitely in check and the new
Black Panther Party was underhim, under his leadership,
(14:34):
morally in check.
Now, after he passed away, alot of stuff happened.
A lot of people lost theirmorals and started doing
different crazy stuff.
Uh, uh rebirth the new blackpanther party and uh got rid of
(15:11):
a lot of the bull crap and uh,people that were uh basically
doing uh, corn tail pro typestuff.
That's that's why they wereagents just some.
Some of them are too done dumbto be called agent.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So that's where I find that Okay.
So you guys still face thetactics of Cointelpro.
So how can one determine thatone's an agent?
Like you know, what do you guyslook out for to determine that
individual is an agent withinthe organization?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
we do background checks.
Uh, everybody come in has tohave a background check.
Uh, the background checks aredone by national uh and local as
well, but really the burden ison uh national Nashville to do
the background check.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So you know there are certain things that.
No, you can't say, you can'tsay on here, but yeah, yeah,
certain things you can't say,yeah definitely, and I respect
that.
You know, because you know thatthat's something that's kind of
like, you know.
You know salute to the Panthersand rest in peace to Khaled.
You know for those who putthemselves on the front line to
defend the people and fight forthe people's honor and integrity
(16:30):
and their rights.
But I know it's chaotic to dealwith.
You know COINTELPRO in placefor you.
Don't know who's coming to thefront door Because you know, not
all skinfolk are kinfolk.
You know what I'm saying, asthey put it.
But yeah, you mentioned thatwhen Khaled was alive he
(16:51):
enforced strict moral policy andcodes of ethics amongst the
movement.
So you said, after he passed,some people fell off.
Was there a kind of strugglefor power within there, like a
power vacuum, people trying totake over?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
over.
Yeah, definitely a power vacuumand just people just getting
loose after, because KhalilMuhammad was definitely a
soldier, straight soldier, sosome people felt like they could
(17:29):
get loose after that.
Trust me, that wasn't the moveto make.
If anything, we needed totighten up even more.
Some people just got loose andlost their morals and just
(17:50):
started doing stuff outside themanual and just going to the
left.
That's wild, bro, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That's wild.
So, okay, after that happened,you said that you really did
some maneuvers with Khaled, likesecurity detail for him and all
that made sure all eyes was onhim at all times, stuff like
that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
More than likely.
We was doing maneuvers andstuff like that.
I went on a maneuver inPhiladelphia, washington DC.
I can remember going toWashington DC protesting against
George W Bush the first GeorgeW Bush, the first George W Bush
(18:33):
and Khalil Muhammad had us andwe had basically more rag here
than the police did.
Oh, wow, yeah, and those typeof events.
You know going back after that,you know going out to dinner
(18:54):
with Khalid and stuff like that.
One of his favorite spots wasSylvia's in Harlem.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I know that was his spot.
Yeah, most definitely, becauseI remember as a child I attended
the Million Youth March.
He had, yeah, in Harlem.
That was.
That was something to remember,very electrifying when he hit
the stage and how he had thepeople.
He had the people in the frenzyman and I see the threat that
(19:23):
he represented.
And I even know that there weremultiple attempts made on
Khaled's life.
I believe there was one pointhe was shot at one point, I
believe, yeah yeah, definitelyOut in California by some guy
named James Best.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, he was shot in the leg out there in California.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
That's crazy man.
So do you still keep in contactwith his family, or like his
son, farrah Gray, I believe?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
No, I'm not.
I'm not in direct contact.
He is on my Facebook page.
I mean if that means anything.
But we don't necessarily talklike that.
He's on some relationship typestuff.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I got you I got you relationship type stuff.
I got you, I got you.
So you mentioned that you waspart of.
You know we jumping back andforth that you was part of the
Nation of Islam, right, were youever part of Fruit of Islam?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yes, A long time ago I received my ex and was in the
FOI.
As a matter of fact, a longtime ago I received my ex and it
was in the FOI.
That's what's up.
As a matter of fact, Imentioned I was rostered for him
before that.
Yeah, you did.
I had long locks.
I listened to him in Farrakhan.
(20:45):
I had to cut him off to jointhe FOI.
I kind of sort of regrettedcutting my locks.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Cutting your locks off, man, because you know, I
know like, as you said earlier,most Rastafarians they are into
like Marcus Garvey and all that,they always talk about Ali
Selassie and they always givehonors to Marcus Garvey.
So it's kind of like you know,kind of see the faces.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Huh, I say no question, I'm still a Garveyite.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Gary, Gary, so that militancy was still there.
Yeah, so you kind of.
So it was ingrained in you fromyoung to lead the direction you
are.
I don't know I'm not trying totake away no shade but did they
have any kind of militancy whenyou were part of the?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Ansar community.
Yes, we had something calledthe Swords of Islam, the SOI,
which a lot of people don't knowabout, and the Swords of Islam
was like the military unit forthe assalam al-qaeda okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
How was that?
Was that required a lot oftraining in that too?
Or was it just about to justcarry swords all day?
Yeah?
It was strange no strange, itwas training about no class.
So so what made you?
What made you leave the nationof of Islam to go into the
Nation of Gods and Earth?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, you know, I just kept studying.
They say knowledge is infinite,right, so I just kept growing
and growing and growing.
You know no disrespect toanything that I've been in.
Everything that I've been in isa part of my growth and I had
(22:38):
to learn that.
I learned that when I becameNawabi, which is more universal
than anything.
So you know no disrespect tonobody in the Nation of Islam.
Rastafarians, we're all Black,we're all a part of the same
(23:00):
fight.
And you know, if you can jointhe new Black Panther Party, we
just want the militant one.
We don't want everybody, wejust want the militant one.
We don't want everybody, wejust want the militants out of
everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I got you, that's so.
So you Rastafarian Nation ofIslam, nation of Gods and Earth,
and then, I believe, yours willjump into more science temple,
yes, okay, and how was yourstint there?
How was your time there?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
well, I didn't uh, probably too long there.
Uh, just enough to learn a lotabout nobody uh whom I love and
respect.
Uh, uh, like I said, I studiedfrom, studied from all of them
Gavi, honorable Elijah Muhammad.
(23:55):
Noble Jew Ali.
I studied from all of them,dahlia York, khalid.
I learned from some of the bestand try to just fight for the
right thing.
(24:15):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Information.
It's just constant positiveeducation leads to elevation.
You're just constantly learning, picking up information bits
and pieces there to apply toyour own journey.
Basically, I respect that, allright.
So when you um and youmentioned that I do community
work and everything else, do youonly do work here in virginia
(24:41):
or you go global like?
You do globally to like dorecruitment and community work.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, I'm a local chairman for north of Virginia.
I'm also a regional chairmanfor the Mid-Atlantic region of
the MBPP, which consists of fivestates Pennsylvania, maryland,
dc, virginia and North Carolina.
(25:09):
That's my regional position,but I do be going out a little
bit to the northeast andsometimes down in Georgia.
My page is MBPP Norfolk, vachapter.
(25:29):
I recruit a lot of people fromthe page as well.
Uh, nbpp no for VA chapter.
Uh, I recruit a lot of peopleuh from the page as well.
Uh, link them up with their uhregional commanders and national
and yeah, uh, it expands alittle bit further than uh my
regional uh duties.
Uh, we do get people from uh uhon the international level as
(25:55):
well.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That's dope, that's dope, so listening to this is
very powerful.
So how do how do I know youprobably can't answer get to in
depth with this question, buthow do you guys view today's
political climate, how do thePanthers, you know, from your
perspective?
How do you see it playing outtoday for our people from your
(26:19):
perspective?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I can't speak for every Panther, but I do have a
lot of political views as far aswhat's going on.
I do know from studying that weare in the.
I don't want to sound like adoomsday preacher or nothing
(26:44):
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I speak in mind .
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We are in the end times.
It's the end for somebody, butit's also somebody's end is a
beginning for somebody else.
So we are in the end time ofthis oppressive system.
We should be doing a lot moreto come together as a people,
(27:16):
but I see a lot of our peoplethink that it's a joke and
they're wasting time and we'rerunning out of time.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So it's never either come to the conclusion that it's
never been the masses that hasrisen up.
There's always been a few thathas on a revolutionary
standpoint.
There's always been a few thathave led the charge.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I see that it's only a few.
Many would call a few.
A few are chosen to embark onthis journey to represent for
the people and to want to defendthe people.
And as we have learned throughhistorical events, what happened
to former Panthers in the past,like you know, your Fred
Hamptons, mark Clark, huey Peaseand many others who were taken
(28:18):
out, you know, by Cointelpro orthe powers that be.
I know there was traininginvolved.
We're not going to talk aboutthat, only especially about that
on here, especially.
But um, with knowing the law,because you know the law is
constantly changed when it comesto like bearing arms and stuff
like that do you guys stay up todate on what's taking place as
(28:39):
far as you know bearing arms?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
yes, definitely.
Uh, we stay up to date on thoselaws uh.
We studied, uh you know, thegun laws uh, in various states
as well, not just our state, butin various states as well, and
(29:02):
we need to be aware of that on anational and international
level as well.
International level as well,definitely on a national level,
dealing with this up and comingmartial law that was already
signed by Trump and supposed tocome into effect sometime in
July.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I keep hearing about that With this martial law.
I know it probably putseverybody on edge.
At the moment Everybody's onguard, waiting because you know
there's a lot of uncertaintywith what's going on with this
country internationally sayingthat we're on the brink of war
whatsoever, do you?
I know Panthers speak aboutthis in Nation of Islam and many
(29:46):
other groups spoke about this,saying that it could be an
internal war within the confinesof this country, a racial war.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be an internal war.
People fail to realize thatAmerica will fall from the
outside and inside.
The outside will most likely bea cover for what's going on on
the inside.
Uh, so definitely, uh, civilwar, uh, racial war, uh, state
(30:19):
of anarchy, or whatever you wantto call it.
Purge, whatever you want tocall it the purge.
Yeah, it's definitely.
Uh, it's definitely on the way.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
It's closer now than now all right, I don't know, man
, you be making music, you rapman.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
No, I'm not.
I'm not a rapper, not a rapperat all.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I thought I'm like you're a rapper man.
You got that laid back likeprodigy or something from Mom D.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know what I'm saying.
It goes down.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That's my Coolio going on.
That's your Coolio, I got you.
I hear that.
But yo, it's so real man.
It's an honor to interview you,man, because you know I heard
like the Panthers are still ineffect and I met a few.
Recently at a Dead Prez show Imet a brother named Shep,
brother Shep from New York, Idon't know if you know of him.
(31:16):
Shout out to Brother Shep hewas speaking about another
Panther that's doing life inprison that they somehow
falsified some charges on him.
Did he say his name?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Huh Did he say his name?
Because we got a lot ofpolitical prisoners.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, that's one of them.
I forgot his name, man.
Oh man, this is up in New York.
I forgot man.
Something happened, but he's apolitical prisoner in there.
Like they gave him a, theytried to work a deal with him
Not saying he was stitching ornothing like that but then they
just somehow pulled the rug fromunder him.
So now he's doing life I got.
The name will come back to me.
So it's like to hear somethinglike that.
(31:58):
Like so many other politicalprisoners from the movement that
are still that are, that arecurrently locked up from the 60s
to this day.
It's kind of crazy.
Like, how do you guys likebring awareness and how do you
combat that Within the system?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, you know we support the protests to free
these political prisoners andstuff like that as well.
We have, you know, prisonministries and stuff like that
going on as well.
Some people, some Panthers,have contact with certain
(32:43):
political prisoners and stufflike that.
So you know, we put thepolitical education out there as
well.
On the political prisoners, youknow their names, their cases
Jamil Alameen, mumia Bouchamar.
Yeah, even within the New BlackPanther Party we got Brother
(33:07):
Hannibal Rushdie Dean, which wasyou know he was him and Dr
Khalil were tight and you knowhe's in prison in New York.
So you know, we got, you know,political prisoners within the
(33:28):
new Black Panther Party as well.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Damn, that's good as well.
Some bogus charges pinned onthem or something, I don't know.
I have a question for you,right, this may be a little off
the left.
Do the new Black Panthers dealwith the NFAC individuals?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Do the new Black Panthers deal with the NFAC
individuals?
I can't speak for everybody,but NFAC, we're definitely in
the new Black Panther Party,definitely a part of the
coalition.
Okay, my chapter.
(34:15):
We definitely try to make thelink with, in fact, other Black
organizations because you know,came under Dr Khalil Muhammad,
you always talk about that BlackUnited Front and you know you
got to work with other Blackorganizations Most definitely.
Other Black organizations thatare willing to work with you
(34:35):
Exactly, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I learned about, in fact, during the time when the
whole George Floyd riots weretaking place that's some of
that's five years ago, and weremember seeing them on
television.
In fact, individuals, and theywere out there, you know, making
their presence known, marching,you know, arm in hand, and
everything else, and people waslike, oh shoot, this is a
resurgence of the Black Panthers.
(35:00):
But they just call it NFAC.
So I was always curious, I wasalways wanting to inquire about
that, to see whether or not thePanthers in fact made one, which
to me would be a dope thing.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, there are a lot of Panthers.
In fact, when you break it down, they're not effing around
coalition.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So when you?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
say coalition, there are a number of different groups
that make up.
In fact, I had the pleasure ofmeeting Grandmaster J at Hasim
Azinger's funeral down inGeorgia, so I had the pleasure
(35:42):
of being on stage with him aswell with him as well.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
We had a Panther on it.
Like in the beginning of thisplatform, we had a Panther on
here.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
King Samir yeah, I'm familiar with.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Brother King, samir, king, samir, that brother man,
intense.
I met him in person becausethat's where my brother Ron and
I linked up at a Black Pantherrally.
They had like a hands-off AsadaShakur back in 2012.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, he used to be the local chairman for.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Philadelphia.
Yeah, so I met him out there inNew York I mean, in New York is
where I'm from and I met him.
I met him and Malik Malik ZulShabazz and I was just like yo.
They were like you know, samirwas on like no joke, man,
(36:37):
there's a militancy and I met afew other brothers in there
because there was a sister thereI knew I keep forgetting her
name Like she basically grew upin my neighborhood.
Her husband passed away in thehospital, wasn't a sister to
Keisha, was she?
I think so Short Tarscan sister, brooklyn.
Oh, I thought she was fromJersey.
No, no, from Brooklyn, brooklyn.
(36:58):
And you know, like you know,rest in peace to the elder.
He passed away and she was likeat the Asada Shakur rally.
She was saying a whole bunch ofthings and I'm like I know this
sister, she's from myneighborhood, so he was kicking
it and I was just there.
I remember I seen King Samir.
He made a whole perimeteraround Malik Zulu when they were
(37:20):
speaking about Asada, the wholehands off thing for Asada.
I haven't heard anything elseabout that case.
Is she still public enemynumber one, according to the FBI
?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well, I don't want to .
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Let's leave that.
Let's leave Auntie alone.
My bad.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
All I know is.
The one thing I would like tosay about that is maybe I
shouldn't throw his name outthere.
Al Shock, al a rat.
(38:03):
Yeah, definitely try to set thesister up, the man with the
perm.
Yeah, the man with the big headand the little body.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, basically you got to remember a lot of these
people.
Like I said, not all skinfolkare kinfolk.
Hands off, auntie.
She did what she had, allegedlyshe did what she had to do.
Maybe it was that guy's day andlet's just leave it.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's what.
(38:36):
That's what's up.
Man so is.
Is Malik Zulu Shabazz still amember of the new black Panther
party or chairman?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Uh, no, he's.
Uh, he stepped down.
Uh, and then what?
No, he stepped down.
What, yeah, he stepped down.
And then we had our lastchairman.
After him was Babu Omowale.
(39:04):
And then Babu Omowale steppeddown, November the 1st of last
year, and we've been running bythe National Central Committee
ever since.
We didn't have a nationaltournament.
Until what day was that MalcolmX's birthday this year?
(39:27):
May 19th, yeah, May 19th.
We just and I don't thinknobody knows, but we have.
Our national chairman for thenew Black Panther Party is
Brother Darrell Hawkins.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That's what's up.
man, I got to come to one ofyour rallies one day, man, come
chill, come build man yourrallies one day, man, come chill
, Come, build man.
Get some information, man,because I was always fascinated
with the Panthers, what theyrepresented you know what I'm
saying Like the defiance of them, the stepping, you know,
(40:06):
basically sticking into thepowers that be letting them know
that we won't take this layingdown.
You're going to hear our voices.
We're going to enforce change.
We're going to create ripplesto let you know that if we unify
, we could shift things.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
No, definitely, I mean definitely.
I hope to meet you when I cometo Jersey, because I'll be
recruiting in jersey as well.
Uh, new york, uh, I'm gonna,you know, I'll be going around
recruiting, uh, within my regionand a little bit above my
region, outside of my region.
(40:42):
That's what's up, bro settingup recruitment meetings and
building up the new blackpanther party so do you guys
also do?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
are you in contact with the Young Lords?
Are they still in practice?
Also, Are they still in effect?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
The Young Lords.
That was under the originalBlack Panther Party.
When I say original BlackPanther Party, I'm talking about
original 1966.
Panther Party.
I'm talking about original 1966.
Up Newton and Bobby Sears andthem.
I haven't heard much about theYoung Lords and stuff like that.
But being in the new BlackPanther Party, we don't really
(41:23):
have alliances with a bunch ofoutside groups other than the
focus is more on our people.
I respect that Dealing withother groups, not to say that we
can't deal with them but thefocus is when we get our house
in order.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's senseless to go outside.
I respect that many much anddefinitely I understand where
you're coming from.
That's deep right there.
Um, yeah, so many questions Iwant to ask.
I'm just trying to like whatbooks would you recommend for
somebody who's trying to learnabout the new Black Panther
Party?
Like, where would you guide,like our listeners and our
(42:03):
viewers to go?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
uh, definitely, uh, read the book of Khalid Muhammad
, which was written by MalikZulu Sabath.
There are other books as wellAsada by Asada Sikora, some of
our videos that we watch I'mtold the study is Drop Squad,
(42:30):
the Iceman Inheritance some ofthe books Basically we study the
manual and within the manual wehave a list of books to study
within the new black Pantherparty as well.
So definitely, everybody shouldbe as a Panther.
(42:55):
You should be doing your, yourresearch.
You should be doing yourresearch to how your
organization started, not onlyhow the new black Panther party
started, but as well as how theoriginal Panther party started
as well, and a lot of Panthersis in the new black Panther
Party started, but as well ashow the original Panther Party
started as well, and a lot ofPanthers that's in the new Black
Panther Party don't even knowthe history of the new Black
Panther Party.
So we started in 1989 in Dallas, texas, and it was a cross
(43:24):
between some of the originalBlack Panther Party members from
1966 and the Black MuslimMovement and that became the new
Black Panther Party forSelf-Defense in 1989 in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
All right, Got you, brother.
Where can the people reach youat if you don't mind dropping
your social media handle?
Yeah, well, the people reachyou at If you don't mind
dropping your social mediahandle.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, well, you can reach me at mbpp va chapter on
Facebook.
It's about to be full, soeverybody who can't get on will
just have to follow after that.
We're about to reach that 5,000mark.
Definitely, definitely, I'malso constantly deleting people,
(44:16):
people who come up there andlaugh, say they come into class,
come in to join and don't join.
I delete you fast if you liketo definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I hear that the brother's serious.
So, people, if you go on there,you learn more beyond what's
your word.
So I appreciate you, my brother, for coming on there.
Man, you know what I'm saying,no problem, no doubt.
I appreciate you and we'd liketo have you come back on this on
this platform to discuss more.
You know what I'm saying,things that we can discuss, but
you know, salute to you and thebrothers of the NBPP, and you
(44:53):
know what I'm saying.
Don't forget to comment, like,share, subscribe my people.
We had Ross Jelani, adam Goom,simba of the New Black Panther
Party VA chapter.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, you know what I'm sayingthis brother, go in check him
out.
They out there doing the work,man NYP.
Appreciate you, my brother, andwe out Black Power, black Power
(45:15):
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