June 3, 2025 • 54 mins
From standing up in church at age eight to declare that Jesus was Black, to carrying Dr. Khalid Muhammad's casket through the streets of New York, Brother Jelani Ross's spiritual journey spans decades of seeking truth through various Black consciousness movements.Born to a Jamaican mother who raised him in the Rastafarian tradition, Brother Jelani takes us through his remarkable evolution—cutting off his dreadlocks to join the Nation of Islam, exploring the Five Percent Nation and Moorish Science, studying under Dr. Malachi Z York in the Nuwabian Nation, and eventually becoming the Mid-Atlantic Regional Chairman of the New Black Panther Party.What makes this conversation unique is Brother Jelani's ability to integrate seemingly different spiritual traditions into a coherent worldview. Rather than seeing each movement as separate or contradictory, he describes how they built upon one another, forming layers of understanding that have shaped his consciousness. "All the stuff that I've been a part of is still a part of me," he explains, emphasizing that knowledge is infinite and his journey has been about continually seeking and integrating new perspectives.The most powerful moments come when Brother Jelani shares his experiences with the New Black Panther Party after meeting Dr. Khalid Muhammad in 1997. He describes the discipline of standing post for hours during security details, the camaraderie among members, and the profound sense of purpose that comes with dedicated service to a cause greater than oneself. For those interested in Black liberation movements, this rare firsthand account offers insights into the practical application of spiritual principles through community organizing and activism.Join us for this profound conversation about spirituality, discipline, and the ongoing quest for Black liberation. Whether you're familiar with th
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
peace verse.
Brother Mikey fever.
Nyp talk show.
Our brother Ron will be joiningus soon.
We got tonight our brotherJelani Ross, jelani Adiganegun,
simba VA.
Black Power, black Pantherright.
Black Hidden Chapter, if I gotit correct New Black Panther
Party, new Black Panther Party.
(00:32):
Forgive me, I apologize again,my bad bro.
You know it's one of those days, man, how you feeling brother,
I'm feeling fine.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How about yourself, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All is well, man, all is well.
You see, I'm kind of on thesame wavelength which I got the
public enemy on.
So I don't know, maybe, maybewe got something going on, man
yo what's going on, yo what'sgoing on everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It's Ron Brown, lmc we already did that yo Ross
Jelani.
What's going on, brother?
I don't know.
I just came in and interrupted.
What's going on?
What questions you hitting withalready?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
No questions yet.
We just started.
Lisa Baptiste, what's up, ma?
How you doing.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
What's going on, lisa ?
How you doing?
Let's put her on there, we go.
All right now, let's go into it.
Brother Jelani, how you doing?
I watched the interview.
I wasn't able to be here, Iwasn't able to attend that night
that y'all were building and,from what I know, you went
through, you, you, you.
You were a Rastafarian.
(01:36):
Yeah, you came through thenation of gods and earths as
well.
So let's, let's unpack.
Thank you, thank you, lisa.
I really appreciate that forthe $4.99.
I really appreciate that.
You already know that's goingto a good cause.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The brother was a Nuwapian he mentioned also.
Yes, sir, and it's not a lawcommunity partner.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yes, sir, so I want to unpack the Rastafarianism.
How did you get into therastafarianism?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
well, uh, my mother was from jamaica so I was pretty
much raised rastafarian, eventhough my dad was from america.
So there was a little uh, whitejesus versus black hellish
lassie.
I had going on and of course Ichose to stick with my culture,
(02:32):
got kicked out of the churchwhen I was basically eight years
old.
They were reading thescriptures and had like sheep's
wool feet, like brass burning inthe oven and at eight years old
I knew that that was describinga black man and I stood up in
(02:52):
church and told the preacher andeverybody I said, all y'all
going to hell.
Uh, the uh picture that wasgiven in the in the bible right,
(03:12):
I respect that.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Don't feel bad, bro, I did the same thing too at 14
yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So now, now, when you get into rastafarianism, can
you break down the culture alittle bit of Rastafarianism,
because you know, for people outthere who don't know, it's not
about just Well, I'm going totell you this is what I know.
No disrespect to any rostersout there, no disrespect, this
is all I know aboutRastafarianism.
(03:39):
Holly Selassie, that's numberone.
Smoking weed Right Sacrament.
And no disrespect dealing withwhite women.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, yeah, we got to go in right there.
Exactly, you know I was.
That was never that type ofroster.
Find that's different.
I was raised culturally, youknow, and there's a difference
(04:21):
between you got roster and yougot rascal.
A lot of people never heard theword rascal before.
You know what I'm saying.
A rascal is like a fake roster.
Basically that's what a rascalis.
So if you're a roster fan, youknow some go around saying one
love.
But when I say one love, itmeans one love amongst us.
(04:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Not one love for everybody.
You know, because you know ourculture well, the Jamaican
culture we trace back to QueenNanny of the Mountain.
You know she was a Maroon of.
You know she was a Maroon andher and her six brothers came
(05:08):
from Ghana and they escaped upinto the hills and they would
come down and gather more peopleand go up in the hills to one
day just came down andoverpowered the British and took
over the whole island.
So I'm that type of rosterfighter, not the type that hang
(05:33):
out on the beach with whitegirls.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, yeah, I never seen those.
That's a good thing Ron broughtup.
I've seen those rosters, therosters I was raised amongst, I
grew up amongst them.
I believe in the nuclear family, I believe in the black woman,
black man you know, the blackgods.
I mean the words from theMaccabees, the Apocrypha and the
(05:58):
King James Bible.
But they kept it back after.
That's what they mean.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Right, hey, Mike, you got to get closer to the mic
because it's like yeah, yeah, mybad, I lost my voice, my bad
people.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, I hear you now, Cool, Gotyou.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So now that was the.
So Rascals.
I had never heard thatterminology before, so that's
the name right.
You said Rascals.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, that's cutting deep when you say rascal instead
of rasta.
You know that's like a fakerasta.
You know what I'm saying?
Okay, rascal, but let's keep itfunky.
Bomba, clad, bomba, yeah yeah,so.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I want to hear more about the, the, the culture
, the rastafarian culture, like.
What are the basic tenets?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
well, I grew up worshiping uh helix celestia,
who was the former emperor ofethiopia.
Uh, it all had to do with aprophecy that marcus gavi has
said.
Mar Garvey said look to theeast for the crowning of a black
king, and at that time EmperorHeli-Selesai was the one being
(07:13):
crowned as emperor, and stufflike that.
You know that was in my earlydays.
And then most people don't knowyou have three different sects
of Rasta.
Just like you got differentsects of Muslims, different
sects of Hebrews, they'redifferent sects of Rasta as well
(07:39):
.
You know three main sexes, likeuh bobo ashanti.
Uh, you got uh ethiopianorthodox and uh you know, and
your uh naya bingi naya bingiyeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So three main sex.
Okay, now, can you.
Can you, which sec was you apart of?
Were you a part of?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
well, like, uh, really I was, uh, I was dealing
with uh, not being uh, that'swhat I was dealing with.
Uh, I often incorporated someof all of them because at some
point all of them cross over alittle bit.
(08:29):
Dealing with the same thing,especially dealing with Imperial
Hell.
As God I never called you knowto a point.
Well, one time I did call himChrist and I see conflict with
(08:53):
that.
Now I see conflict in even.
You know, I was young, I had tolearn.
I worshiped a man.
The man was a Christian.
Basically he wasn't aRastafarian, that was his name,
he was basically a Christian.
(09:13):
So, like I said, a lot of itwas too close to Christianity
for me.
So then I began my travels intoIslam with the Nation of Gods
and Earths, the Moriss TempleNation of Islam as well and the
Ansar Allah community.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Now, OK, so now you go from Rastafarianism, then you
go into the 5% Nation.
Well, I went to the Nation ofIslam first.
You went to the Nation of Islambefore the 5% Nation, yes, Okay
.
Now what was that like?
I mean, did you have like some?
How do you join the Nation?
I know you have to like write aletter or something like that.
(09:55):
You send it to somebody andthen they tell you you could be
a part of it.
But I'm not a part of theNation of Islam, so I don't know
.
So how does that go?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, you have to write a letter and receive your
X and then be accepted into themosque.
Now what made you leave theNation of Islam?
Well, like I said, I wasRastafarian at first.
(10:24):
I went.
What made me join was I wentand listened to Minnesota
Farrakhan right after he hadcame back from Libya, and then I
started to join the NOI and Ihad to cut my locks off, and
that was kind of deep for me.
(10:45):
I cut my locks off, did what Ihad to do, put my bow tie on,
went on the street, startedselling papers.
Now, what was the last question, what made me leave?
Yeah, well, through my journeys, let me say this All the stuff
(11:08):
that I've been a part of isstill a part of me, but I was
seeking, just constantly seeking, knowledge, and knowledge is
infinite.
So I kept going, uh, searching,uh seeking, you know, different
stuff and adding it togetherand sort of led to me being, uh,
(11:32):
becoming uh, uh universal.
As a nawabi, I can say I'muniversal.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Right Now, before we get there right now.
You went from the Nation ofIslam.
You left, you went to the 5%Nation.
When you went to the 5% Nation,did you have an enlightener or
educator?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I did.
I don't remember some of theirnames.
It's been a while, but most ofmy studies, most of my studies,
was on my own.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, all right, there we go.
Okay, cool.
I kind of see that now, now, nowwhat, when it comes to the 5%
nation, if, uh, you know, peoplefeel like they could do that on
their own and it's kind of nothow it goes, really not kind of,
that's just not how it goes now.
Um, um, if you have it, youknow, an enlightening educator
(12:32):
is the best way to really graspthe teachings, the right way.
Um, now, I just wanted to saythat now, after you deal with
the nation of gods and earths,you then go to the more science
more science.
There we go.
There we go now.
Now, now, when you went to morescience, you went into the
(12:53):
temple.
Now, even with more science,the best way to deal with moral
science is to go to a temple orstudy under someone who is
regarded as you know.
They know a lot right, so tospeak.
But I would say from myexperience, the best way to go
about it is to go to a temple.
So now, did you go to a templeor did you study under someone,
(13:17):
or did you study by yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, both I studied by myself, I studied with other
people.
I did go to the temple becauseI received my card nationality
card as well.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And this was in Virginia.
In Virginia, yes, okay.
And this is in Virginia.
In Virginia, yes, okay, and inVirginia.
Do you remember what templethis was?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, they had like a bookstore where they was
functioning out of and that wasthe store that was called
Conscious Planet and that wasthe store that was called
Conscious Planet.
I was going to that bookstoreand to the temple that was
functioning out of thatbookstore Got you, got you, got
(14:08):
you.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So you had the Circle 7 and you had the 101s, and
then you had the Morrisliterature.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I still got it.
You got your button on yourlapel and all that, okay, cool.
And how long did you stay inthat school at Thor?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I stayed there about maybe a year and then I went to
the Ansar Law community, which Istayed the longest in, the
Anzal Law community, and then wewent through other schools as
well, leading up to now.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
So I stayed with the teachings of the master teacher
up until now, okay, so you'retalking about the Master Teacher
, as in Dr Malachi Z York.
So what attracted you more?
What attracted you to Malachi ZYork's teachings the most?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, like I say, I was rastafarian.
The first book I read wasIshali Selassiei Christ.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
He didn't have a scroll on that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
yeah, Right and it just broke down the whole thing.
And I'm looking at myself like,after, I'm checking out
everything he's saying, I'mlooking at myself like what am I
doing?
You know what I'm saying?
This man was a Christian.
He didn't really, he's not aChrist, a Messiah.
(15:49):
You know what I'm saying.
So, and no offense to therosters, because I know how deep
it go, but just you know myjourney and my enlightenment to
the rosters because I know howdeep it go, but it's just you
know my journey and myenlightenment.
So I mean, there was a lot ofstuff that made sense and how he
(16:10):
went against the Mahdi of theSudan, and you know it was just
a lot to it.
A lot of people don't know thathe went against the mati and
sudan, uh as well.
So, uh, you know that comesfrom reading and researching
stuff like that as well okay,now, now, you, you, you get into
(16:36):
the new op.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Now, when you go into the new bobby.
And now here's something'ssomething that none of you know.
This is exclusive information.
I'm just bringing it to youtoday.
Hold on, I can't really hearmyself.
I'm just bringing it to y'all.
Today I actually joined theNuwabian Nation.
Word Ron.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, rahul Bhatt, you never told me that, really,
ron.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, but hold on, it wasn't even that long.
They gave me my name.
It didn't make sense so Ididn't do it.
I said that name does make.
They slapped that together.
I'm turning this way.
I stopped because like my thingwas like, okay, what they named
me was Assure Something.
(17:24):
That was so long ago.
Assure Something.
And then they put trainer inthere, like a trainer.
Yeah, they put like a physicaltrainer, even though back then I
was how would that be a part ofmy name?
I didn't understand that.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That was like an attribute that fits you.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, but it just didn't make sense to me, because
I'm looking for something likesomething that's sovereign Like
this is why.
Yeah, like something more, maybeAfrican-Arab, arabic kind of
sounding or something like that,and they say trainer.
I said oh nah, and then so Ididn't go, I didn't follow
(18:11):
through with it.
I focus mainly in my studies 5%teachers and more science.
Those are my two.
It's mainly in my studies.
5% teachers in moral sciencethose are my two, and I studied
a little bit of masonry, but mymain two that I focused on was
the 5% teachers in moral science.
But that's a little secret.
(18:34):
I tried the Nuwabian Nationbefore.
Now, when you get your name,when you get your name joining
the Nuwabian Nation, and thenwhat happens afterwards.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, I had to reach to that point.
So my first name that Ireceived from Malachi Z York was
my Morris name, which is NayaAkum El, which means that El Elo
will establish.
Later on, my name became HuniZoza, which is my Egyptian name.
(19:21):
So I have maybe like fourdifferent names.
A lot of people know me bydifferent names.
The Muslims know me as HanifAmir, hanif Abdullah Muhammad
(19:42):
and, of course, my Rastafarianname, which is Raz Jelani Adegun
Semba, which is my legal namewait a minute, that's your legal
name.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yes, wow, so your mom , your dad named you that there
was a little, oh, I get Mom.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
your dad named you that there was a little.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Oh, I get what you're saying.
I know what you're about to say, right.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
By him being a Christian and her being a Rasta.
That is the name that she hadfor me.
So I later on changed it towhat it was supposed to be.
Got it Makes sense, Makes sense.
So I later on changed it towhat it was supposed to be Got.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It Makes sense, makes sense.
So now you're from, now you getinto the Nuwabian Nation.
What was the first thing you dojoining the Nuwabian Nation?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What's the first thing you do?
You know, you got your name,you got your.
What's the first book you got?
Well, basically, you know, inthe Nuwabian Nation, like I said
, I go back to the Ansar Alláhdays.
So even in the Ansar Alláh dayswe was considered shortly after
we was considered the UnitedNawabi Nation the most.
So I tie all of it in together,all of it in together.
(20:57):
So, when I got into the Asa'alacommunity, like I said, the
first, well, the first book Iread before I got in was Israel
and Celestial Christ.
And then I began readingLeviathan 666, year 2000,.
What they Expect, part 1, part2.
(21:19):
And you know, even before thenin the SRL community, we had
like way a bunch of scrollsbefore we even got to year 2000,
what they Expect.
You know, leviathan 666 waslike revised maybe three or four
times or something like that.
(21:42):
And the crazy thing about thatis it always had Trump's face on
the cover.
As the head of the beast, asthe head of Leviathan.
It always had Trump's face upthere.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So that got to do with, uh, some of the time that
we're in right now I have aquestion were you part of when
they went to the whole nubianhebrew, something like that?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
yes, uh, nubian islamic hebrews.
Uh, htm.
Holy tabernacle ministries.
Yeah, uh, ministries.
Egyptian Church of Keras.
I was in the order of theancient mystical order of
Melchizedek, sons of the GreenLight, amun All of the orders
(22:37):
I've been a part of as well.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It was too much going on at the time.
Just looking at it, I'm like yo, it's like every three to six
months.
There was like a shift.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That was a part of the journey, though it was from
1970 to 2000.
We went on something that wascalled a long walk on a short
path, and within that timeperiod we were supposed to learn
a certain amount of knowledgeto be able to teach by the time
(23:14):
the year 2000 came around to beable to teach classes.
2000 came around to be able toteach classes.
That's what I do.
The first and second Sunday ofthe month is teach classes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Wait, we're going to get there.
Okay, you had something to say,go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I teach the YBN classes the first and second
Sunday of the month.
I run my Panther meetings thesecond and third I mean the
third and fourth Sundays of themonth.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Okay, Now you know, what I noticed from like
brothers from the New WabianNation is that they have this so
like super calm, Zen demeanor.
How is it that a lot of them, alot of a lot of them, a lot of
the brothers and sisters fromthe Nuwabian Nation has this Zen
(24:13):
calm demeanor?
Where does that come from?
Do you guys all meditate?
What is the daily practice of aNuwabian?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, the daily practice.
Basically, you know it'smeditation, prayers, chants.
There we go Different stuff.
Here we go Different stuff.
Okay, boom, practicing the hajj, the language, you know, just
(24:51):
living it.
Reading the books, reading the.
You know the scrolls, the ofrocks, the, uh, master secrets,
actual facts.
You know what I'm saying?
Uh, becoming more knowledgeable, uh, right.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So so now on it, like you know how a muslim, they,
they pray five times a day.
Five percenters deal with themathematics, and 120 on a daily
basis.
Right, the, the day's degree,right, the, uh, the moors, um,
they read the circle seven.
They have, you know, uh, uh,friday meetings.
(25:31):
They have sunday meet.
They have meetings, uh, sundaymeetings, um, what is the
culture like for the nuwabians?
So do you get up in the morning, do you pray, or do you get up
in the morning and you chant?
Like how does the format work?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, we chant at certain times during the day and
you know, read our scrolls,study.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Now would you say you're one of the most
disciplined Nuwabians.
You know, or do you know peoplewho are way more disciplined
than you?
I?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
know people who are way more disciplined than me.
What makes me different is I'msincere in whatever I do.
There may be people that knowmore than me, but if I'm in
something I'm sincere about it.
I'm not saying I'm the onethat's in it that knows
(26:37):
everything.
You know what I'm saying.
There are people that know waymore than me.
My hat goes off to them.
I'm on my journey and they'reon their journey.
Actual fact.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Got you Actual fact.
Can you take us through any ofthe chants, or is that private?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's private, I don't want to go there.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It's private.
I don't want to go there, it'sprivate.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Tamika in the building.
Islam Mo.
We got the Mo in the building.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
So you said so you started, how long, how long you
stayed in the journey?
You say what year did you jointhe NSAR?
So I know that's probably backin the eighties.
Right, yeah, that was back inthe eighties.
Wait, back in the eighties, youlook like my old age?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
How old?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
are you.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Let's just say black little crap.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
So you basically so that means you studied for a
while then.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah man.
Damn.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
You've been studying since then, yeah, before then, yeah,
that's crazy.
So yo we babysitting this guyright here, yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm just curious to know, like you know, being that
with the whole situation withMalakazi you're being
incarcerated, all these studentsof his, the movement should
still be thriving.
It's like once he went away,some people just like they just
gave up and say you know, wefocus on him instead of you know
doing things to continue themission, you know picking up and
keeping it moving.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah Well, you know the mission is still thriving.
Of course we want him free andout the mission, the mission
continues.
Of course we want him free andout the mission continues.
You know, we'll get to thatpoint.
We'll get to that point one day.
(28:43):
There are many out there whothink we won't get to that point
.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
But those of us who know know.
Now I want to talk about the uh, the new black panther party.
You said that you met.
I think you even met or sawthat.
No, you had a conversation withdr clare, right?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
yes, I met him.
Uh, I was in the asullahcommunity.
I was selling oils and incenseand books and Dr Khalid Muhammad
walked up and we had aconversation.
So I had been studying himalready before I met him.
(29:28):
And when I met him and when Imet him, it was just like.
It was like wow, like, likeblew my mind.
So there was a point where Ihad to exit the anti-law
community and I became a memberof the new Black Panther Party
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and that doesn't mean that Iwasn't still Ansar Allah,
because I was still studying andeverything.
So I was studying my Blacknationalism as well.
As you know our community,which to me is Black nationalism
(30:16):
too, because you know it is Ifa man built, you know, as many
nations as he did, how can wesay that that's not Black
nationalism?
Nationalism, the root word isnation.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
So now you meet Dr Khalid, youhave this conversation, you join
the new Black Panther Party andthen I remember being a part of
the new Black Panther Party.
I'm going to say every time Ihave anybody from the new Black
Panther Party on, I'm going toprobably repeat it every single
(30:55):
time.
The new Black Panther Party wasa experience I had that changed
my life, because it made meunderstand what discipline, true
discipline, true disciplinefelt and looked like the things
(31:17):
that we had to do, especially ifyou were set to be security for
that day, if you had to besecurity, you were on post and
you were standing at attentionpretty much for a long period of
(31:38):
time.
Eating wasn't all thatimportant at that moment.
You know what I'm saying.
For hours you drink your water,you might catch a banana or
whatever, right, but alsodedication.
I learned a lot about whatdedication was about discipline
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and dedication.
Now, in the new black pantherparty, when I was a part of it,
we would go to Trenton and wewould go out there and build
with Devon Devon, brother Devon,a lot, brother Devon, a lot.
We would go there.
Now, this is what changed mylife at this point Now.
(32:21):
First of all, you gotta wearyour BDUs right I'm in them
right now, exactly right, and itdon't matter how hot it is.
And them boots, they're notcomfortable at first.
Now, this is the deep thingabout the new Black Panther
(32:42):
Party the boots are notcomfortable.
The BDUs is not all thatcomfortable either, but guess
what?
The purpose, the purpose threwall out of the window.
Once you realize your purposeand your mission and you had a
team, family with you, helpingyou along and the camaraderie,
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all that, my feet, the BDUs,like that, I didn't even think
about that anymore.
And there was a point too where, in New York, under Shaka
Shakur because I was rockingwith Shaka Shakur, sister
Khadijah, brother Hannibal Free,brother Hannibal, free Brother
Hannibal, and I already know youthen we got to have met brother
Hannibal, free, brotherHannibal, free brother Hannibal,
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um and um.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I already know you.
Then we got to have met we.
We had to we had to.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
We had to have met.
Yeah, we had to.
So all the right names, exactly.
So now that experience, right,like just that.
I forgot where I was before yousaid that, but anyway, I'm
going to continue on with myexperience.
(33:57):
The Vine of Law we go out there.
It changed my life, changed mywhole perspective, because he
sat us down and we had to sitdown and watch videos.
The video that we were watchingwas about COINTELPRO.
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He put us in a place, turnedthe lights off or not off, or
down.
He turned them down and we'rewatching a video on COINTELPRO.
Just the whole experience.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Ambience yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's the ambience, the gear, the camaraderie.
The whole program is on somesoldiers.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Invoke that spirit out of you.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Bro, I learned how to check people for weapons in a
whole nine, bro.
That experience I'm not goingto lie man the Black Panther
experience, new Black Pantherexperience, the way I learned it
, if it could be implemented inother groups, it'd be, that'd be
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.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Why are we doing that with Paul, when I told you I
did the Hebrews with lights whenI was in PA, the same thing
he's like do a drill line andall that.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You don't want that on camera.
That's not.
Here's the thing, though.
I'm going to tell you this too.
And more is science.
I don't know if I I'm going totell you this too.
And Morris science I don't knowif I I'm going to just say it.
I went through something like aMIT kind of training thing.
Right, it was similar to thenew black Panther party program.
(35:42):
It was.
It's almost the same.
That's the thing about it.
Like a lot of these groups,they have more similarities than
they have differences.
And it's so crazy like it's.
If you can see in my brain, Isee the connection with it all.
You could all easily cometogether and be like, oh, y'all
(36:06):
do that too.
Yeah, we do that.
Yeah, yeah, we do that too.
And we do, yeah, y'all do thattoo.
Yeah, we do that.
Yeah, yeah, we do that too.
And we do, yeah, yeah, y'all dothat too.
Yeah, it's all alreadyconnected.
It's just we have some kind ofissue with unity.
On top of it's also politicsinvolved as well.
That's why it's all ideologiesbro.
(36:28):
Exactly so to move forward.
When you became a part of thenew Black Panther Party, did you
have that same experience I had?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yes, and more Like when I met Khalid Muhammad, that
was in 1997.
So I'm going to tell my age ina minute more, when I met Khalid
Muhammad, that was in 1997.
I'm going to tell my age in aminute.
He's been around.
I'm telling you, bro, he's beenaround.
Man, my birthday is mine, butI'm going to tell my age in a
(37:01):
minute.
I might as well go and say I'mnot a scientist.
I'll be 56 tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You don't look like it, bro.
Damn Good diet man man, goodjeans, black don't crack.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Black, don't crack man them chants he be doing man.
I want to know what that wasdoing over there.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I met Ron at Black Panther Black Panther rally.
That's how we linked up.
I was with the Panthers.
It's crazy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's how we linked up.
I was with the Panthers.
It's crazy.
Yeah, side of Chicago, handsoff Side of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, that's what's up.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
So you had similar experience right.
So you went through that whole.
So you were security, you wereon post Right.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Right, I do a lot of security here now.
I did a lot of security in thepast being on post.
Almost every lecturer has camethrough Norfolk.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Brother, we got to talk about them posts right now
we have done posts.
So when you had a lecture andyou were on post, you're not
moving.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, I am, because I'm considered the officer of
the day most of the time.
Oh right, right right.
So I'm on the move whileeverybody else is stationed
there.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Brother that is insane.
Real quick story, real quickstory.
I forgot to say this.
This is where I was missing.
Went to MIT training and um, uh,uh, uh, uh, more science, right
, Um, and I forgot where it was,man, it was somewhere, jersey,
(38:43):
jersey, right, brother, Ithought it was just.
You know the ties and the fez,and you know we just go in there
, we just go.
You know, read the circle sevenand da-da-da-da, no, no, they
put on them BDUs.
No, no, no.
Even though they had differentcolors, it wasn't no BDU, it was
just a suit, right, right.
But Now it's hot as hell inthis spot, though, and you got a
(39:08):
suit on Right.
You're standing up, standing upfor a long, long training, bro,
like it's subtle.
It's like subtle training, likeit's brilliant, brother, it's
brilliant Like that.
Morris signs MIT, a Mufti intraining, mit, a Mufti in
training.
You know what I mean.
(39:29):
That experience was one of thebest experiences I've had, aside
from the new Black PantherParty training.
Maybe I should have been in theArmy or something, I don't know
.
I just like that kind oftraining.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I understand what you're saying, bro.
The longest I ever stood postwas at Khalid Muhammad's funeral
.
His funeral was long, bro, likeI still post almost the whole
time.
How many hours was that?
Maybe, like I'm thinking like18, 20, something like that.
(40:05):
Like like his funeral was.
I can't say how long it was ithad to be like maybe three hours
.
Well, I still posted for a longtime without with even carrying
the casket through New York andstuff like that as well.
You know what I'm saying.
All that is considered.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Right, you had to carry the casket.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Being on post, I was able to be one of the ones to
help carry the casket throughNew York and you know we carried
that up on our shoulders Right.
So I was there when AfrikaBambaataa and some other rappers
(40:52):
came through and paid homage.
As a matter of fact, I wasstanding right beside the casket
when Malik took a button.
One of these took it off of meand placed it on Khalid
Muhammad's uniform, as he was inthe casket, and that button
(41:14):
went to the casket, to the gravewith him.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Powerful.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So you're holding posts for hours.
So now your experience with theNew Black Panther Party.
You join the New Black PantherParty.
You join the New Black PantherParty and you become, I guess, a
regional chairman of theregional chairman in Virginia.
So how did you get thatposition?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Well, I became.
I joined in 1997.
I joined under somebody else.
The guy's name was MichaelMuhammad.
So under Michael Muhammad wewere under Dr Khalid Abdul
Muhammad, because he was stillalive.
(42:04):
He didn't pass away until 2001.
Still alive, he didn't passaway until 2001.
So after he passed away in 2001, michael Muhammad stepped down.
(42:26):
There wasn't too many of ushere.
I had grasped a lot of stufffrom Michael Muhammad, but more
(42:57):
so from Khalid Muhammad, fromdoing maneuvers with Khalid
Muhammad to the point where Iwas able to Virginia first
before I became a regionalchairman.
It was years later when Ibecame the mid-Atlantic regional
chairman for the NBPP, and Idon't think I have been I think
that's been within the last twoor three years East Coast on
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recruitment missions for the newBlack Panther Party, so that we
can rebuild our legacy and tryto bring it back to the point
where, when we had morals, youknow, when we was under Khalid
Muhammad, we was in our prime,and so this needs to be brought
back as well, as the people thatlove Khalid Muhammad just need
(43:58):
to come back together, becauseKhalid Muhammad was no, he was
in the Nation of Islam, but whenhe became a new Black Panther
Party national chairman.
This was his organization, theNBPP, the NBPP, the New Black
Panther Party.
So there are people that loveKhalil Muhammad and are not in
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the New Black Panther Party, andwe just want to bring the love
of Khalid and keep his legacyalive and the legacy of the new
Black Panther Party, becausethis is the organization that he
was in.
There are people that have wentoff and started other
(44:43):
organizations, but a lot of themorganizations split off from
the new Black Panther Party.
We need to bring everybody hometo the MBPP.
We need to have one strong newBlack Panther Party, not all
these splits.
And you know different groups,you know what I'm saying so.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
You're saying they're like different factions of the
MBPP.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, due to misunderstandings.
Yeah, a few different factionsof the MBPP.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, I believe we spoke about that last time.
There's alliances as well.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I don't want to dub their name wrong with the, in
fact a little separate, but it'skind of like the mbpp right
yeah, well, when you say, infact, that's uh not effing
around coalition and within acoalition you have people from
other organizations as well, andthe mbpp as well, oh, all right
gotcha.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, okay, and and and.
So the misunderstandings.
You know, abdullah and Yassiril, last week, wednesday, we were
talking about etymology andthings and he was talking about
the.
I think it's called the Iforgot the name of it but it's
basically your tongue'sconnection to your brain and how
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you pronounce words andpronunciation and things like
that.
And what was spoken on was youknow the fact that Black people,
so to speak quote unquote has.
You know, a lot of us come frompoor education, us come from
(46:34):
poor education.
I'm speaking, you know,primarily here in America.
A lot of us come from pooreducation, poor educational
backgrounds, and when wecommunicate with one another, we
don't understand how theEnglish language should go so
that we have bettercommunication without so much
discord.
You know what I mean Languageis art.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Exactly.
It's also, you know, from myperspective.
You know is part of a spell.
You know, when you starttalking about the English
language, you start withspelling, and the root word of
spelling is spell.
So you know, we are in ouroppressor's language and we're
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casting spells on each other inour oppressor's language.
This is why we have to get tothe point where we have our own.
I'm a Nuwabi, I'm going to sayour own lahaj, which means
language.
So we have our own lahaj withinthe Nuwabi community.
We have our own lahaj and it'son different tones and
(47:46):
vibrations, so that we don'thave to speak English all the
time.
We can talk to each other indifferent tones and vibrations
and that cuts out a lot of theconfusion within the English
language.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Hold on, hold on.
Ok, I like that right there,brother, I like that right there
.
So now in Virginia, where isthe new Black Panther Party
going?
Now, would you say, the numbersare up, are they down?
How about nationally?
(48:28):
Are the numbers up or are theydown nationally?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Well, the numbers are going up.
Nationally, Even locally, thenumbers are going up.
You know all the time you'redoing it.
There are members that wear theuniform, there are members that
don't wear the uniform.
When we go out on certainmaneuvers, we know who members
(48:55):
and who not Everybody looking atthe people in uniform.
But there are other membersthere as well and we move like
that for specific reasons.
I can say that without givingtoo much away.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I have a question though, being that you know, in
the history of what COINTELPRO,the effects of it upon Black
people and the Black Panthersand other movements, have you
guys mastered a way to counterthat completely, how to counter
the counterintelligence program?
Have they built up a strongdefense against the immunity,
against that?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Well, you can never master it completely.
You can do background checksand you can weed people out with
the.
If they can't stick to therules and regulations and the
bylaws and stuff like that, youcan weed them out.
Most of the time they'll weedthemselves out.
You know, if a person's anagent they'll try to do as much
(50:02):
more they try to do more rightthan anybody else, basically.
But you know you can't bescared of the agents, because
agents get converted too, and Ilearned that when I was down in
Edenton, georgia.
I couldn't prove that nobody wasan FBI agent, but I get that
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gut feeling.
They were there.
Some of them knew the doctrinemore than me, better than me,
just like I'm pretty sure thereare some Panthers who know more
than me as a Panther, and someof these people are not sincere.
You know, some of these peopleare Asians, but I'm not quick to
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call a person an Asian becausea lot of these people are just
too stupid to be Asians.
You know what I'm saying.
They're on the same.
I don't want to use the N-word,but they're on that stuff.
Gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Now is this like as being a regional chairman, you
get you, you get pretty, you'reprivy to a large network on that
position, in that position.
So you know, um, this is like afull-time kind of situation.
You got here, or how's thiswork?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, it's definitely full-time.
I have my local work that Ihave to do, I have my regional
work that I have to do and alsonational work because I've been
in the organization so long.
I was grandfathered in tonational as well, without even
(51:53):
holding really holding anational position, but I'm sort
of there like a advisor becauseof the experience in the new
Black Panther Party, and when Isay that I'm talking about the
national central committee ofthe new black Panther Party.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Now, before we close, you know I just want to, you
know, propose this to you.
You know, the next time youcome up, I want you to, you know
, build a little bit more aboutthe new black Panther Party and
also the new audience.
Teaching like whatever,whatever you can share with the
public and, you know,information that they may need
(52:37):
or even get inspired to to jointhe new Black Panther Party.
For instance, I'm going to tellanybody you know that's like
you joining the new BlackPanther Party under the right
leadership.
You going through some goodtraining.
You know that's like youjoining the new Black Panther
Party under the right leadership.
You're going through some goodtraining, some good, really good
training.
I'm an advocate for going intothe new Black Panther Party, so
(52:59):
maybe you could, you could talkabout that, you know.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, let's, let's.
Let's do two shows.
Let's separate it.
Let's do one on the white man,one on the new Black Panther
Party.
That's peace.
Let's do that.
Let's do two shows.
Let's separate that.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Let's do one on the white man, one on the new black
Panther party.
That's peace.
Let's do that, let's do that.
On that note, brother, we willhave this brother back up, a
regional chairman of the newblack Panther party, ross Jelani
.
Thank you for coming out thisevening.
We really appreciate you,brother, and we are out of here.
Peace.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Black power, black power.
peace verse.
Brother Mikey fever.
Nyp talk show.
Our brother Ron will be joiningus soon.
We got tonight our brotherJelani Ross, jelani Adiganegun,
simba VA.
Black Power, black Pantherright.
Black Hidden Chapter, if I gotit correct New Black Panther
Party, new Black Panther Party.
(00:32):
Forgive me, I apologize again,my bad bro.
You know it's one of those days, man, how you feeling brother,
I'm feeling fine.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How about yourself, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All is well, man, all is well.
You see, I'm kind of on thesame wavelength which I got the
public enemy on.
So I don't know, maybe, maybewe got something going on, man
yo what's going on, yo what'sgoing on everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It's Ron Brown, lmc we already did that yo Ross
Jelani.
What's going on, brother?
I don't know.
I just came in and interrupted.
What's going on?
What questions you hitting withalready?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
No questions yet.
We just started.
Lisa Baptiste, what's up, ma?
How you doing.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
What's going on, lisa ?
How you doing?
Let's put her on there, we go.
All right now, let's go into it.
Brother Jelani, how you doing?
I watched the interview.
I wasn't able to be here, Iwasn't able to attend that night
that y'all were building and,from what I know, you went
through, you, you, you.
You were a Rastafarian.
(01:36):
Yeah, you came through thenation of gods and earths as
well.
So let's, let's unpack.
Thank you, thank you, lisa.
I really appreciate that forthe $4.99.
I really appreciate that.
You already know that's goingto a good cause.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The brother was a Nuwapian he mentioned also.
Yes, sir, and it's not a lawcommunity partner.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yes, sir, so I want to unpack the Rastafarianism.
How did you get into therastafarianism?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
well, uh, my mother was from jamaica so I was pretty
much raised rastafarian, eventhough my dad was from america.
So there was a little uh, whitejesus versus black hellish
lassie.
I had going on and of course Ichose to stick with my culture,
(02:32):
got kicked out of the churchwhen I was basically eight years
old.
They were reading thescriptures and had like sheep's
wool feet, like brass burning inthe oven and at eight years old
I knew that that was describinga black man and I stood up in
(02:52):
church and told the preacher andeverybody I said, all y'all
going to hell.
Uh, the uh picture that wasgiven in the in the bible right,
(03:12):
I respect that.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Don't feel bad, bro, I did the same thing too at 14
yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So now, now, when you get into rastafarianism, can
you break down the culture alittle bit of Rastafarianism,
because you know, for people outthere who don't know, it's not
about just Well, I'm going totell you this is what I know.
No disrespect to any rostersout there, no disrespect, this
is all I know aboutRastafarianism.
(03:39):
Holly Selassie, that's numberone.
Smoking weed Right Sacrament.
And no disrespect dealing withwhite women.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, yeah, we got to go in right there.
Exactly, you know I was.
That was never that type ofroster.
Find that's different.
I was raised culturally, youknow, and there's a difference
(04:21):
between you got roster and yougot rascal.
A lot of people never heard theword rascal before.
You know what I'm saying.
A rascal is like a fake roster.
Basically that's what a rascalis.
So if you're a roster fan, youknow some go around saying one
love.
But when I say one love, itmeans one love amongst us.
(04:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Not one love for everybody.
You know, because you know ourculture well, the Jamaican
culture we trace back to QueenNanny of the Mountain.
You know she was a Maroon of.
You know she was a Maroon andher and her six brothers came
(05:08):
from Ghana and they escaped upinto the hills and they would
come down and gather more peopleand go up in the hills to one
day just came down andoverpowered the British and took
over the whole island.
So I'm that type of rosterfighter, not the type that hang
(05:33):
out on the beach with whitegirls.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, yeah, I never seen those.
That's a good thing Ron broughtup.
I've seen those rosters, therosters I was raised amongst, I
grew up amongst them.
I believe in the nuclear family, I believe in the black woman,
black man you know, the blackgods.
I mean the words from theMaccabees, the Apocrypha and the
(05:58):
King James Bible.
But they kept it back after.
That's what they mean.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Right, hey, Mike, you got to get closer to the mic
because it's like yeah, yeah, mybad, I lost my voice, my bad
people.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, I hear you now, Cool, Gotyou.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So now that was the.
So Rascals.
I had never heard thatterminology before, so that's
the name right.
You said Rascals.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, that's cutting deep when you say rascal instead
of rasta.
You know that's like a fakerasta.
You know what I'm saying?
Okay, rascal, but let's keep itfunky.
Bomba, clad, bomba, yeah yeah,so.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I want to hear more about the, the, the culture
, the rastafarian culture, like.
What are the basic tenets?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
well, I grew up worshiping uh helix celestia,
who was the former emperor ofethiopia.
Uh, it all had to do with aprophecy that marcus gavi has
said.
Mar Garvey said look to theeast for the crowning of a black
king, and at that time EmperorHeli-Selesai was the one being
(07:13):
crowned as emperor, and stufflike that.
You know that was in my earlydays.
And then most people don't knowyou have three different sects
of Rasta.
Just like you got differentsects of Muslims, different
sects of Hebrews, they'redifferent sects of Rasta as well
(07:39):
.
You know three main sexes, likeuh bobo ashanti.
Uh, you got uh ethiopianorthodox and uh you know, and
your uh naya bingi naya bingiyeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So three main sex.
Okay, now, can you.
Can you, which sec was you apart of?
Were you a part of?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
well, like, uh, really I was, uh, I was dealing
with uh, not being uh, that'swhat I was dealing with.
Uh, I often incorporated someof all of them because at some
point all of them cross over alittle bit.
(08:29):
Dealing with the same thing,especially dealing with Imperial
Hell.
As God I never called you knowto a point.
Well, one time I did call himChrist and I see conflict with
(08:53):
that.
Now I see conflict in even.
You know, I was young, I had tolearn.
I worshiped a man.
The man was a Christian.
Basically he wasn't aRastafarian, that was his name,
he was basically a Christian.
(09:13):
So, like I said, a lot of itwas too close to Christianity
for me.
So then I began my travels intoIslam with the Nation of Gods
and Earths, the Moriss TempleNation of Islam as well and the
Ansar Allah community.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Now, OK, so now you go from Rastafarianism, then you
go into the 5% Nation.
Well, I went to the Nation ofIslam first.
You went to the Nation of Islambefore the 5% Nation, yes, Okay
.
Now what was that like?
I mean, did you have like some?
How do you join the Nation?
I know you have to like write aletter or something like that.
(09:55):
You send it to somebody andthen they tell you you could be
a part of it.
But I'm not a part of theNation of Islam, so I don't know
.
So how does that go?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, you have to write a letter and receive your
X and then be accepted into themosque.
Now what made you leave theNation of Islam?
Well, like I said, I wasRastafarian at first.
(10:24):
I went.
What made me join was I wentand listened to Minnesota
Farrakhan right after he hadcame back from Libya, and then I
started to join the NOI and Ihad to cut my locks off, and
that was kind of deep for me.
(10:45):
I cut my locks off, did what Ihad to do, put my bow tie on,
went on the street, startedselling papers.
Now, what was the last question, what made me leave?
Yeah, well, through my journeys, let me say this All the stuff
(11:08):
that I've been a part of isstill a part of me, but I was
seeking, just constantly seeking, knowledge, and knowledge is
infinite.
So I kept going, uh, searching,uh seeking, you know, different
stuff and adding it togetherand sort of led to me being, uh,
(11:32):
becoming uh, uh universal.
As a nawabi, I can say I'muniversal.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Right Now, before we get there right now.
You went from the Nation ofIslam.
You left, you went to the 5%Nation.
When you went to the 5% Nation,did you have an enlightener or
educator?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I did.
I don't remember some of theirnames.
It's been a while, but most ofmy studies, most of my studies,
was on my own.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, all right, there we go.
Okay, cool.
I kind of see that now, now, nowwhat, when it comes to the 5%
nation, if, uh, you know, peoplefeel like they could do that on
their own and it's kind of nothow it goes, really not kind of,
that's just not how it goes now.
Um, um, if you have it, youknow, an enlightening educator
(12:32):
is the best way to really graspthe teachings, the right way.
Um, now, I just wanted to saythat now, after you deal with
the nation of gods and earths,you then go to the more science
more science.
There we go.
There we go now.
Now, now, when you went to morescience, you went into the
(12:53):
temple.
Now, even with more science,the best way to deal with moral
science is to go to a temple orstudy under someone who is
regarded as you know.
They know a lot right, so tospeak.
But I would say from myexperience, the best way to go
about it is to go to a temple.
So now, did you go to a templeor did you study under someone,
(13:17):
or did you study by yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, both I studied by myself, I studied with other
people.
I did go to the temple becauseI received my card nationality
card as well.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And this was in Virginia.
In Virginia, yes, okay.
And this is in Virginia.
In Virginia, yes, okay, and inVirginia.
Do you remember what templethis was?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, they had like a bookstore where they was
functioning out of and that wasthe store that was called
Conscious Planet and that wasthe store that was called
Conscious Planet.
I was going to that bookstoreand to the temple that was
functioning out of thatbookstore Got you, got you, got
(14:08):
you.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So you had the Circle 7 and you had the 101s, and
then you had the Morrisliterature.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I still got it.
You got your button on yourlapel and all that, okay, cool.
And how long did you stay inthat school at Thor?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I stayed there about maybe a year and then I went to
the Ansar Law community, which Istayed the longest in, the
Anzal Law community, and then wewent through other schools as
well, leading up to now.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
So I stayed with the teachings of the master teacher
up until now, okay, so you'retalking about the Master Teacher
, as in Dr Malachi Z York.
So what attracted you more?
What attracted you to Malachi ZYork's teachings the most?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, like I say, I was rastafarian.
The first book I read wasIshali Selassiei Christ.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
He didn't have a scroll on that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
yeah, Right and it just broke down the whole thing.
And I'm looking at myself like,after, I'm checking out
everything he's saying, I'mlooking at myself like what am I
doing?
You know what I'm saying?
This man was a Christian.
He didn't really, he's not aChrist, a Messiah.
(15:49):
You know what I'm saying.
So, and no offense to therosters, because I know how deep
it go, but just you know myjourney and my enlightenment to
the rosters because I know howdeep it go, but it's just you
know my journey and myenlightenment.
So I mean, there was a lot ofstuff that made sense and how he
(16:10):
went against the Mahdi of theSudan, and you know it was just
a lot to it.
A lot of people don't know thathe went against the mati and
sudan, uh as well.
So, uh, you know that comesfrom reading and researching
stuff like that as well okay,now, now, you, you, you get into
(16:36):
the new op.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Now, when you go into the new bobby.
And now here's something'ssomething that none of you know.
This is exclusive information.
I'm just bringing it to youtoday.
Hold on, I can't really hearmyself.
I'm just bringing it to y'all.
Today I actually joined theNuwabian Nation.
Word Ron.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, rahul Bhatt, you never told me that, really,
ron.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, but hold on, it wasn't even that long.
They gave me my name.
It didn't make sense so Ididn't do it.
I said that name does make.
They slapped that together.
I'm turning this way.
I stopped because like my thingwas like, okay, what they named
me was Assure Something.
(17:24):
That was so long ago.
Assure Something.
And then they put trainer inthere, like a trainer.
Yeah, they put like a physicaltrainer, even though back then I
was how would that be a part ofmy name?
I didn't understand that.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That was like an attribute that fits you.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, but it just didn't make sense to me, because
I'm looking for something likesomething that's sovereign Like
this is why.
Yeah, like something more, maybeAfrican-Arab, arabic kind of
sounding or something like that,and they say trainer.
I said oh nah, and then so Ididn't go, I didn't follow
(18:11):
through with it.
I focus mainly in my studies 5%teachers and more science.
Those are my two.
It's mainly in my studies.
5% teachers in moral sciencethose are my two, and I studied
a little bit of masonry, but mymain two that I focused on was
the 5% teachers in moral science.
But that's a little secret.
(18:34):
I tried the Nuwabian Nationbefore.
Now, when you get your name,when you get your name joining
the Nuwabian Nation, and thenwhat happens afterwards.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, I had to reach to that point.
So my first name that Ireceived from Malachi Z York was
my Morris name, which is NayaAkum El, which means that El Elo
will establish.
Later on, my name became HuniZoza, which is my Egyptian name.
(19:21):
So I have maybe like fourdifferent names.
A lot of people know me bydifferent names.
The Muslims know me as HanifAmir, hanif Abdullah Muhammad
(19:42):
and, of course, my Rastafarianname, which is Raz Jelani Adegun
Semba, which is my legal namewait a minute, that's your legal
name.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yes, wow, so your mom , your dad named you that there
was a little, oh, I get Mom.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
your dad named you that there was a little.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Oh, I get what you're saying.
I know what you're about to say, right.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
By him being a Christian and her being a Rasta.
That is the name that she hadfor me.
So I later on changed it towhat it was supposed to be.
Got it Makes sense, Makes sense.
So I later on changed it towhat it was supposed to be Got.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It Makes sense, makes sense.
So now you're from, now you getinto the Nuwabian Nation.
What was the first thing you dojoining the Nuwabian Nation?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What's the first thing you do?
You know, you got your name,you got your.
What's the first book you got?
Well, basically, you know, inthe Nuwabian Nation, like I said
, I go back to the Ansar Alláhdays.
So even in the Ansar Alláh dayswe was considered shortly after
we was considered the UnitedNawabi Nation the most.
So I tie all of it in together,all of it in together.
(20:57):
So, when I got into the Asa'alacommunity, like I said, the
first, well, the first book Iread before I got in was Israel
and Celestial Christ.
And then I began readingLeviathan 666, year 2000,.
What they Expect, part 1, part2.
(21:19):
And you know, even before thenin the SRL community, we had
like way a bunch of scrollsbefore we even got to year 2000,
what they Expect.
You know, leviathan 666 waslike revised maybe three or four
times or something like that.
(21:42):
And the crazy thing about thatis it always had Trump's face on
the cover.
As the head of the beast, asthe head of Leviathan.
It always had Trump's face upthere.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So that got to do with, uh, some of the time that
we're in right now I have aquestion were you part of when
they went to the whole nubianhebrew, something like that?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
yes, uh, nubian islamic hebrews.
Uh, htm.
Holy tabernacle ministries.
Yeah, uh, ministries.
Egyptian Church of Keras.
I was in the order of theancient mystical order of
Melchizedek, sons of the GreenLight, amun All of the orders
(22:37):
I've been a part of as well.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It was too much going on at the time.
Just looking at it, I'm like yo, it's like every three to six
months.
There was like a shift.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That was a part of the journey, though it was from
1970 to 2000.
We went on something that wascalled a long walk on a short
path, and within that timeperiod we were supposed to learn
a certain amount of knowledgeto be able to teach by the time
(23:14):
the year 2000 came around to beable to teach classes.
2000 came around to be able toteach classes.
That's what I do.
The first and second Sunday ofthe month is teach classes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Wait, we're going to get there.
Okay, you had something to say,go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I teach the YBN classes the first and second
Sunday of the month.
I run my Panther meetings thesecond and third I mean the
third and fourth Sundays of themonth.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Okay, Now you know, what I noticed from like
brothers from the New WabianNation is that they have this so
like super calm, Zen demeanor.
How is it that a lot of them, alot of a lot of them, a lot of
the brothers and sisters fromthe Nuwabian Nation has this Zen
(24:13):
calm demeanor?
Where does that come from?
Do you guys all meditate?
What is the daily practice of aNuwabian?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, the daily practice.
Basically, you know it'smeditation, prayers, chants.
There we go Different stuff.
Here we go Different stuff.
Okay, boom, practicing the hajj, the language, you know, just
(24:51):
living it.
Reading the books, reading the.
You know the scrolls, the ofrocks, the, uh, master secrets,
actual facts.
You know what I'm saying?
Uh, becoming more knowledgeable, uh, right.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So so now on it, like you know how a muslim, they,
they pray five times a day.
Five percenters deal with themathematics, and 120 on a daily
basis.
Right, the, the day's degree,right, the, uh, the moors, um,
they read the circle seven.
They have, you know, uh, uh,friday meetings.
(25:31):
They have sunday meet.
They have meetings, uh, sundaymeetings, um, what is the
culture like for the nuwabians?
So do you get up in the morning, do you pray, or do you get up
in the morning and you chant?
Like how does the format work?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, we chant at certain times during the day and
you know, read our scrolls,study.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Now would you say you're one of the most
disciplined Nuwabians.
You know, or do you know peoplewho are way more disciplined
than you?
I?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
know people who are way more disciplined than me.
What makes me different is I'msincere in whatever I do.
There may be people that knowmore than me, but if I'm in
something I'm sincere about it.
I'm not saying I'm the onethat's in it that knows
(26:37):
everything.
You know what I'm saying.
There are people that know waymore than me.
My hat goes off to them.
I'm on my journey and they'reon their journey.
Actual fact.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Got you Actual fact.
Can you take us through any ofthe chants, or is that private?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's private, I don't want to go there.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It's private.
I don't want to go there, it'sprivate.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Tamika in the building.
Islam Mo.
We got the Mo in the building.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
So you said so you started, how long, how long you
stayed in the journey?
You say what year did you jointhe NSAR?
So I know that's probably backin the eighties.
Right, yeah, that was back inthe eighties.
Wait, back in the eighties, youlook like my old age?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
How old?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
are you.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Let's just say black little crap.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
So you basically so that means you studied for a
while then.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah man.
Damn.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
You've been studying since then, yeah, before then, yeah,
that's crazy.
So yo we babysitting this guyright here, yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm just curious to know, like you know, being that
with the whole situation withMalakazi you're being
incarcerated, all these studentsof his, the movement should
still be thriving.
It's like once he went away,some people just like they just
gave up and say you know, wefocus on him instead of you know
doing things to continue themission, you know picking up and
keeping it moving.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah Well, you know the mission is still thriving.
Of course we want him free andout the mission, the mission
continues.
Of course we want him free andout the mission continues.
You know, we'll get to thatpoint.
We'll get to that point one day.
(28:43):
There are many out there whothink we won't get to that point
.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
But those of us who know know.
Now I want to talk about the uh, the new black panther party.
You said that you met.
I think you even met or sawthat.
No, you had a conversation withdr clare, right?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
yes, I met him.
Uh, I was in the asullahcommunity.
I was selling oils and incenseand books and Dr Khalid Muhammad
walked up and we had aconversation.
So I had been studying himalready before I met him.
(29:28):
And when I met him and when Imet him, it was just like.
It was like wow, like, likeblew my mind.
So there was a point where Ihad to exit the anti-law
community and I became a memberof the new Black Panther Party
(29:54):
and that doesn't mean that Iwasn't still Ansar Allah,
because I was still studying andeverything.
So I was studying my Blacknationalism as well.
As you know our community,which to me is Black nationalism
(30:16):
too, because you know it is Ifa man built, you know, as many
nations as he did, how can wesay that that's not Black
nationalism?
Nationalism, the root word isnation.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
So now you meet Dr Khalid, youhave this conversation, you join
the new Black Panther Party andthen I remember being a part of
the new Black Panther Party.
I'm going to say every time Ihave anybody from the new Black
Panther Party on, I'm going toprobably repeat it every single
(30:55):
time.
The new Black Panther Party wasa experience I had that changed
my life, because it made meunderstand what discipline, true
discipline, true disciplinefelt and looked like the things
(31:17):
that we had to do, especially ifyou were set to be security for
that day, if you had to besecurity, you were on post and
you were standing at attentionpretty much for a long period of
(31:38):
time.
Eating wasn't all thatimportant at that moment.
You know what I'm saying.
For hours you drink your water,you might catch a banana or
whatever, right, but alsodedication.
I learned a lot about whatdedication was about discipline
(32:00):
and dedication.
Now, in the new black pantherparty, when I was a part of it,
we would go to Trenton and wewould go out there and build
with Devon Devon, brother Devon,a lot, brother Devon, a lot.
We would go there.
Now, this is what changed mylife at this point Now.
(32:21):
First of all, you gotta wearyour BDUs right I'm in them
right now, exactly right, and itdon't matter how hot it is.
And them boots, they're notcomfortable at first.
Now, this is the deep thingabout the new Black Panther
(32:42):
Party the boots are notcomfortable.
The BDUs is not all thatcomfortable either, but guess
what?
The purpose, the purpose threwall out of the window.
Once you realize your purposeand your mission and you had a
team, family with you, helpingyou along and the camaraderie,
(33:09):
all that, my feet, the BDUs,like that, I didn't even think
about that anymore.
And there was a point too where, in New York, under Shaka
Shakur because I was rockingwith Shaka Shakur, sister
Khadijah, brother Hannibal Free,brother Hannibal, free Brother
Hannibal, and I already know youthen we got to have met brother
Hannibal, free, brotherHannibal, free brother Hannibal,
(33:29):
um and um.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I already know you.
Then we got to have met we.
We had to we had to.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
We had to have met.
Yeah, we had to.
So all the right names, exactly.
So now that experience, right,like just that.
I forgot where I was before yousaid that, but anyway, I'm
going to continue on with myexperience.
(33:57):
The Vine of Law we go out there.
It changed my life, changed mywhole perspective, because he
sat us down and we had to sitdown and watch videos.
The video that we were watchingwas about COINTELPRO.
(34:17):
He put us in a place, turnedthe lights off or not off, or
down.
He turned them down and we'rewatching a video on COINTELPRO.
Just the whole experience.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Ambience yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's the ambience, the gear, the camaraderie.
The whole program is on somesoldiers.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Invoke that spirit out of you.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Bro, I learned how to check people for weapons in a
whole nine, bro.
That experience I'm not goingto lie man the Black Panther
experience, new Black Pantherexperience, the way I learned it
, if it could be implemented inother groups, it'd be, that'd be
(35:08):
.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Why are we doing that with Paul, when I told you I
did the Hebrews with lights whenI was in PA, the same thing
he's like do a drill line andall that.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You don't want that on camera.
That's not.
Here's the thing, though.
I'm going to tell you this too.
And more is science.
I don't know if I I'm going totell you this too.
And Morris science I don't knowif I I'm going to just say it.
I went through something like aMIT kind of training thing.
Right, it was similar to thenew black Panther party program.
(35:42):
It was.
It's almost the same.
That's the thing about it.
Like a lot of these groups,they have more similarities than
they have differences.
And it's so crazy like it's.
If you can see in my brain, Isee the connection with it all.
You could all easily cometogether and be like, oh, y'all
(36:06):
do that too.
Yeah, we do that.
Yeah, yeah, we do that too.
And we do, yeah, y'all do thattoo.
Yeah, we do that.
Yeah, yeah, we do that too.
And we do, yeah, yeah, y'all dothat too.
Yeah, it's all alreadyconnected.
It's just we have some kind ofissue with unity.
On top of it's also politicsinvolved as well.
That's why it's all ideologiesbro.
(36:28):
Exactly so to move forward.
When you became a part of thenew Black Panther Party, did you
have that same experience I had?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yes, and more Like when I met Khalid Muhammad, that
was in 1997.
So I'm going to tell my age ina minute more, when I met Khalid
Muhammad, that was in 1997.
I'm going to tell my age in aminute.
He's been around.
I'm telling you, bro, he's beenaround.
Man, my birthday is mine, butI'm going to tell my age in a
(37:01):
minute.
I might as well go and say I'mnot a scientist.
I'll be 56 tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You don't look like it, bro.
Damn Good diet man man, goodjeans, black don't crack.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Black, don't crack man them chants he be doing man.
I want to know what that wasdoing over there.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I met Ron at Black Panther Black Panther rally.
That's how we linked up.
I was with the Panthers.
It's crazy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's how we linked up.
I was with the Panthers.
It's crazy.
Yeah, side of Chicago, handsoff Side of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, that's what's up.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
So you had similar experience right.
So you went through that whole.
So you were security, you wereon post Right.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Right, I do a lot of security here now.
I did a lot of security in thepast being on post.
Almost every lecturer has camethrough Norfolk.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Brother, we got to talk about them posts right now
we have done posts.
So when you had a lecture andyou were on post, you're not
moving.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, I am, because I'm considered the officer of
the day most of the time.
Oh right, right right.
So I'm on the move whileeverybody else is stationed
there.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Brother that is insane.
Real quick story, real quickstory.
I forgot to say this.
This is where I was missing.
Went to MIT training and um, uh,uh, uh, uh, more science, right
, Um, and I forgot where it was,man, it was somewhere, jersey,
(38:43):
jersey, right, brother, Ithought it was just.
You know the ties and the fez,and you know we just go in there
, we just go.
You know, read the circle sevenand da-da-da-da, no, no, they
put on them BDUs.
No, no, no.
Even though they had differentcolors, it wasn't no BDU, it was
just a suit, right, right.
But Now it's hot as hell inthis spot, though, and you got a
(39:08):
suit on Right.
You're standing up, standing upfor a long, long training, bro,
like it's subtle.
It's like subtle training, likeit's brilliant, brother, it's
brilliant Like that.
Morris signs MIT, a Mufti intraining, mit, a Mufti in
training.
You know what I mean.
(39:29):
That experience was one of thebest experiences I've had, aside
from the new Black PantherParty training.
Maybe I should have been in theArmy or something, I don't know
.
I just like that kind oftraining.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I understand what you're saying, bro.
The longest I ever stood postwas at Khalid Muhammad's funeral
.
His funeral was long, bro, likeI still post almost the whole
time.
How many hours was that?
Maybe, like I'm thinking like18, 20, something like that.
(40:05):
Like like his funeral was.
I can't say how long it was ithad to be like maybe three hours
.
Well, I still posted for a longtime without with even carrying
the casket through New York andstuff like that as well.
You know what I'm saying.
All that is considered.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Right, you had to carry the casket.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Being on post, I was able to be one of the ones to
help carry the casket throughNew York and you know we carried
that up on our shoulders Right.
So I was there when AfrikaBambaataa and some other rappers
(40:52):
came through and paid homage.
As a matter of fact, I wasstanding right beside the casket
when Malik took a button.
One of these took it off of meand placed it on Khalid
Muhammad's uniform, as he was inthe casket, and that button
(41:14):
went to the casket, to the gravewith him.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Powerful.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So you're holding posts for hours.
So now your experience with theNew Black Panther Party.
You join the New Black PantherParty.
You join the New Black PantherParty and you become, I guess, a
regional chairman of theregional chairman in Virginia.
So how did you get thatposition?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Well, I became.
I joined in 1997.
I joined under somebody else.
The guy's name was MichaelMuhammad.
So under Michael Muhammad wewere under Dr Khalid Abdul
Muhammad, because he was stillalive.
(42:04):
He didn't pass away until 2001.
Still alive, he didn't passaway until 2001.
So after he passed away in 2001, michael Muhammad stepped down.
(42:26):
There wasn't too many of ushere.
I had grasped a lot of stufffrom Michael Muhammad, but more
(42:57):
so from Khalid Muhammad, fromdoing maneuvers with Khalid
Muhammad to the point where Iwas able to Virginia first
before I became a regionalchairman.
It was years later when Ibecame the mid-Atlantic regional
chairman for the NBPP, and Idon't think I have been I think
that's been within the last twoor three years East Coast on
(43:32):
recruitment missions for the newBlack Panther Party, so that we
can rebuild our legacy and tryto bring it back to the point
where, when we had morals, youknow, when we was under Khalid
Muhammad, we was in our prime,and so this needs to be brought
back as well, as the people thatlove Khalid Muhammad just need
(43:58):
to come back together, becauseKhalid Muhammad was no, he was
in the Nation of Islam, but whenhe became a new Black Panther
Party national chairman.
This was his organization, theNBPP, the NBPP, the New Black
Panther Party.
So there are people that loveKhalil Muhammad and are not in
(44:23):
the New Black Panther Party, andwe just want to bring the love
of Khalid and keep his legacyalive and the legacy of the new
Black Panther Party, becausethis is the organization that he
was in.
There are people that have wentoff and started other
(44:43):
organizations, but a lot of themorganizations split off from
the new Black Panther Party.
We need to bring everybody hometo the MBPP.
We need to have one strong newBlack Panther Party, not all
these splits.
And you know different groups,you know what I'm saying so.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
You're saying they're like different factions of the
MBPP.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, due to misunderstandings.
Yeah, a few different factionsof the MBPP.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, I believe we spoke about that last time.
There's alliances as well.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I don't want to dub their name wrong with the, in
fact a little separate, but it'skind of like the mbpp right
yeah, well, when you say, infact, that's uh not effing
around coalition and within acoalition you have people from
other organizations as well, andthe mbpp as well, oh, all right
gotcha.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, okay, and and and.
So the misunderstandings.
You know, abdullah and Yassiril, last week, wednesday, we were
talking about etymology andthings and he was talking about
the.
I think it's called the Iforgot the name of it but it's
basically your tongue'sconnection to your brain and how
(46:08):
you pronounce words andpronunciation and things like
that.
And what was spoken on was youknow the fact that Black people,
so to speak quote unquote has.
You know, a lot of us come frompoor education, us come from
(46:34):
poor education.
I'm speaking, you know,primarily here in America.
A lot of us come from pooreducation, poor educational
backgrounds, and when wecommunicate with one another, we
don't understand how theEnglish language should go so
that we have bettercommunication without so much
discord.
You know what I mean Languageis art.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Exactly.
It's also, you know, from myperspective.
You know is part of a spell.
You know, when you starttalking about the English
language, you start withspelling, and the root word of
spelling is spell.
So you know, we are in ouroppressor's language and we're
(47:22):
casting spells on each other inour oppressor's language.
This is why we have to get tothe point where we have our own.
I'm a Nuwabi, I'm going to sayour own lahaj, which means
language.
So we have our own lahaj withinthe Nuwabi community.
We have our own lahaj and it'son different tones and
(47:46):
vibrations, so that we don'thave to speak English all the
time.
We can talk to each other indifferent tones and vibrations
and that cuts out a lot of theconfusion within the English
language.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Hold on, hold on.
Ok, I like that right there,brother, I like that right there
.
So now in Virginia, where isthe new Black Panther Party
going?
Now, would you say, the numbersare up, are they down?
How about nationally?
(48:28):
Are the numbers up or are theydown nationally?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Well, the numbers are going up.
Nationally, Even locally, thenumbers are going up.
You know all the time you'redoing it.
There are members that wear theuniform, there are members that
don't wear the uniform.
When we go out on certainmaneuvers, we know who members
(48:55):
and who not Everybody looking atthe people in uniform.
But there are other membersthere as well and we move like
that for specific reasons.
I can say that without givingtoo much away.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I have a question though, being that you know, in
the history of what COINTELPRO,the effects of it upon Black
people and the Black Panthersand other movements, have you
guys mastered a way to counterthat completely, how to counter
the counterintelligence program?
Have they built up a strongdefense against the immunity,
against that?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Well, you can never master it completely.
You can do background checksand you can weed people out with
the.
If they can't stick to therules and regulations and the
bylaws and stuff like that, youcan weed them out.
Most of the time they'll weedthemselves out.
You know, if a person's anagent they'll try to do as much
(50:02):
more they try to do more rightthan anybody else, basically.
But you know you can't bescared of the agents, because
agents get converted too, and Ilearned that when I was down in
Edenton, georgia.
I couldn't prove that nobody wasan FBI agent, but I get that
(50:27):
gut feeling.
They were there.
Some of them knew the doctrinemore than me, better than me,
just like I'm pretty sure thereare some Panthers who know more
than me as a Panther, and someof these people are not sincere.
You know, some of these peopleare Asians, but I'm not quick to
(50:49):
call a person an Asian becausea lot of these people are just
too stupid to be Asians.
You know what I'm saying.
They're on the same.
I don't want to use the N-word,but they're on that stuff.
Gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Now is this like as being a regional chairman, you
get you, you get pretty, you'reprivy to a large network on that
position, in that position.
So you know, um, this is like afull-time kind of situation.
You got here, or how's thiswork?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, it's definitely full-time.
I have my local work that Ihave to do, I have my regional
work that I have to do and alsonational work because I've been
in the organization so long.
I was grandfathered in tonational as well, without even
(51:53):
holding really holding anational position, but I'm sort
of there like a advisor becauseof the experience in the new
Black Panther Party, and when Isay that I'm talking about the
national central committee ofthe new black Panther Party.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Now, before we close, you know I just want to, you
know, propose this to you.
You know, the next time youcome up, I want you to, you know
, build a little bit more aboutthe new black Panther Party and
also the new audience.
Teaching like whatever,whatever you can share with the
public and, you know,information that they may need
(52:37):
or even get inspired to to jointhe new Black Panther Party.
For instance, I'm going to tellanybody you know that's like
you joining the new BlackPanther Party under the right
leadership.
You going through some goodtraining.
You know that's like youjoining the new Black Panther
Party under the right leadership.
You're going through some goodtraining, some good, really good
training.
I'm an advocate for going intothe new Black Panther Party, so
(52:59):
maybe you could, you could talkabout that, you know.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, let's, let's.
Let's do two shows.
Let's separate it.
Let's do one on the white man,one on the new Black Panther
Party.
That's peace.
Let's do that.
Let's do two shows.
Let's separate that.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Let's do one on the white man, one on the new black
Panther party.
That's peace.
Let's do that, let's do that.
On that note, brother, we willhave this brother back up, a
regional chairman of the newblack Panther party, ross Jelani
.
Thank you for coming out thisevening.
We really appreciate you,brother, and we are out of here.
Peace.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Black power, black power.
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