September 24, 2025 • 63 mins
Dr. Claude Anderson's Powernomics offers a roadmap for Black economic empowerment that remains profoundly relevant today. This thought-provoking conversation between community leaders explores how we can transform theory into practice by building sustainable Black communities and economic infrastructure.
When we witness displacement and oppression globally, we often fail to recognize similar patterns happening in our own communities. What we euphemistically call "gentrification" mirrors the slow-motion displacement of Black Americans from urban centers—a process that deserves the same urgency we give to international crises.
The discussion challenges our relationship with integration, highlighting how our eagerness to integrate has undermined our ability to build autonomous economic structures. "Integration is disintegration," as one participant observes, pointing to the fleeting circulation of Black dollars within our communities—just 3-6 hours before flowing outward, compared to other ethnic communities where money circulates for days or weeks.
Perhaps most compelling is the real-world application of these principles through the Africatown initiative in Seattle. Starting small but thinking strategically, this group has raised over $10 million to address homelessness and create sustainable housing solutions. Their success demonstrates that meaningful change doesn't require mass movements—just a few dedicated individuals with clear vision and persistent effort.
The path forward demands what the speakers call "civic utility"—developing not just housing, but comprehensive infrastructure including schools, healthcare facilities, markets, and other essential components of livable communities. This approach, coupled with establishing meaningful economic ties with Africa, offers a template for true self-determination.
Ready to move beyond theory to action? Connect with like-minded community builders and explore how you can implement these principles in your own community.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Peace world, peace world.
How you doing.
It's your brother, mikey Fever,and I'm back.
That was a great show we hadWith Abdullah and Israel.
Peace to the Moors man.
They gave a dope demonstrationAbout semantics and linguistics.
Man had my mind going, you know.
So what's going on, my brotheroh, then he dropped out.
(00:35):
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I'm just talking to the people.
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follow the website.
(00:55):
We got merch coming.
What else?
All that extra good stuff andpeace to all.
Peace, you know.
Peace to the nation of gods andearth, islam to the Moors to
the nation of gods and earth,islam to the moors.
Bendy sean, to the sensoryephah, um what else?
Assalamu alaikum wa alaikum,zillah to the palo, to my
(01:18):
haitian voodoo practitioners and, okay, all that good stuff,
please.
Yeah, where you at your camerawent out?
Oh man, magnetic dropout.
You know, technicaldifficulties tend to happen.
Technical difficulties tend tohappen.
So we trying to get the brotherto come back.
(01:40):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
All right Brother should be logging on momentarily
.
Peace to the family.
Oh, I'm black family.
How you.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Man, I'm glad.
I'm glad I haven't seen you ina minute.
It's been a minute, man.
How's the family man?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Man, the family's good man, Family's real good man
, these kids, they growing sofast.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Every time I blink, blink, it's like they grow an
inch.
Yeah, man, yeah, time to getsome new sneakers, again, new
sneakers, new sneakers.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Peace to have been please.
Yes, sir, yeah, and as soon asyou get them, they grow out of
them.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So yeah, but you know that's how that go what our
parents used to do to us buythem like three sides up.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Like you're, you're going to wear these, hey man,
till you can fit them.
Yeah, I remember them days.
I remember them.
Yes, sir, I remember them days.
All right, peace.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Peace.
Hey peace brother, malaki,peace, peace, peace brother, how
you doing?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yes, sir, yes sir, Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's a pleasure to meet you as well, man, I know
the black round table.
They doing their thing, theyhere tonight.
The black round table is back.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes, sir, In the building building.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Definitely Peace to all you guys.
You guys are doing magnificentwork educating, involved, really
involved, out there, yes, sir.
So tonight we'll be talkingabout Power Now, mix by Dr
Claude Anderson.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Which is beautiful, because you know it's funny.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I got that one right here.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
See, I got it right here.
That's a popular one.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, man, I went through that book book, you know
it's been years, but I gottareally go back and, you know,
renew history, as they say,because there was a lot of
powerful information in therebrother mike, you might want to
turn your mic up.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Family, I can, I can hardly hear you.
Man, there we go, there we goyeah I got the book right here.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I read this book like many moons ago, so I gotta
brush up on here.
As the gods say, renew myhistory.
Gotta go back and look at it,because he had a lot of um, very
pivotal information on in there.
I'm like there's a lot moreroom for me.
You know not excluding myselfthat I need to really re-examine
.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So let's get into it man.
All right.
Well, first off, thanks forhaving me and, as you were
saying, powernomics, it shouldbe a staple of Black thought and
agenda building throughout thediaspora, especially here in
America, as we continue to seethe decline of all of our social
(04:31):
metrics that indicatesustainable life.
As a people, you know, as apeople, you know, we often look
(04:52):
at the news and we see what'sgoing on in Gaza, in Sudan.
You know the news headlines,you know, are always, you know,
close to heart.
You know, even when we saw therecent assassination or shooting
, or whatever it was, of theright wing nationalist guy, all
of that hits home with usbecause whatever happens, it
happened to us first, you know.
(05:14):
And when we see a work like DrClaude's book, it's a reminder,
you know, because he said somesome really valid timelines in
there that I think have goneover the heads of most of us.
So when we look at Gaza and wesee two point five million
people being told, hey, move,you know, five miles that way,
(05:38):
now go back 10 miles that way.
And then you know 50,000 getkilled in the transit, and we're
like, wow, that is crazy.
Yeah, but what we don't doafter?
We call that genocide and weacknowledge that it's genocide.
We don't look in the mirror andsay, hey, how many of our
people have been pushed andmoved out of these cities.
(06:00):
You know, in a slow killfashion of these cities, you
know, in a slow kill fashion, wedon't call it genocide, we call
it gentrification.
You know, we pad the words andwe pad the motion and action
that's being taken against us,but we don't comparatively
analyze it and realize that weare the ones that's being
(06:21):
genocided.
Why?
I say that Palestine housesroughly 30 to 40 percent of the
total Palestinian population.
Meaning for the past 60 yearsthey've been allowed and
encouraged to migrate elsewherethroughout the world and they
(06:41):
have set up communities fromfrance, spain, america.
I'm sure we all know the, theblunt rap spot down the block
with in it.
You know what I'm saying.
He's so cool and he, you knowhe's our dog, he's our guy.
You know what I'm saying.
So, whatever happens inpalestine, those people have
(07:03):
proliferated throughout theworld.
Where are you at?
Where's your genocide at?
Where's your community to fleeto in these other foreign
nations and countries where yourfamily are, that's already set
up shop with money and things ofthat nature and land.
Where is it at?
You don't have it so after it,have it so after it's finished.
(07:24):
Here it's finished.
So, like I said, we need tolook at that.
Hold on hold on.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What's up, bro?
What you said was I had to giveyou that what you said was so.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
yeah, god, that was so.
Yeah, that's been hard headsand the heads of our children,
our women, our formercommunities and our places of
refuge.
And so we have to look atwhat's going on with us and not
to take anything away fromanything that's going on with
anyone else's experience orsituation, but just to call to
(08:19):
remembrance that we are theoriginal beta test subjects for
global domination anddestruction of a people and
genocide.
We are the original so,remember that.
So, brother, dr Claude, one ofmy favorite authors, you know he
(08:44):
never pulled punches, he nevertried to blend in or fit in or
or say the get along gang speechso he could get on the mic at
the convention with the man andthis, this, and that he targeted
our, our, our failinginfrastructure of leadership.
Infrastructure of leadershipAll of our leaders and our
(09:07):
institutions of leadership havebeen in total collapse since the
60s, when they began theirassassination campaigns
COINTELPRO and otherinstitutional intelligence-based
programs to eliminateorganization in our communities,
in our day-to-day lives.
(09:28):
And here we are today, Ibelieve 12 to 13 years after Dr
Claude told us if you don't getit together by this day and time
, it's going to be somepermanent repercussions that you
and the survivors are going tohave to deal with, and that's
(09:49):
what we're seeing today, so 2013.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Not to cut you off but to gather from.
When I picked up this bookyears ago, I basically see he
summarized the greatness and thegenius of of Black Wall Street
and other thriving blackAmerican cities that had their
own economy, that were thrivingfinancially, and he just
(10:13):
basically summarized, summarizedit and extracted a lot of like
ideas and blueprints toformulate this book.
And also it's basically it'slike he took a mirror and uphold
it, you know, to ourselves tosay this is what you need to do
in order to lift yourself fromthe bootstraps like stop,
depending on your system.
You know, you got the numbers,you're just not organized,
(10:35):
you're just not educatedeconomically.
So this, that's what I gatheredfrom this book when I read it
like man I was like he broke itdown.
He narrowed it down.
Why are you not investingwithin your own community, your
own people?
Why is it that your so-calledblack dollar is not circulating
(10:56):
X amount of days within theblack community?
The average time that stayswithin the community is three to
six hours, then it's back outthere.
Why are you not manufacturing?
Why are you not distributors assuch?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, he goes into that, he asks those questions.
In the end he comes up with arealistic and clearly
understandable conclusion.
And that is because of ourdetermination to be integrated
(11:36):
as opposed to manifesting ourown destiny within ourselves.
Desire to really hold on tothose tenets of civil rights
that have not benefited us isthe reason why our businesses
have failed, our communitieshave failed, our international
exploits have failed everything.
(11:57):
Think like this you had MuhammadAli during the 60s in Africa
doing one of the biggestsporting events in the history
of American sports.
What's the follow through inthe in the 70s, in the 80s, in
the 90s, in the 2000s?
Where are we yet?
(12:18):
Have we gone forward orbackwards?
Or backwards, you know?
So that was Black leadershipand Black men taking control
over their destiny and sayingwe're going to pave our own way,
we're going to exclude thehaters and the people that don't
want to see us prevail andwe're going to benefit and be
(12:40):
triumphant over the forces ofhate.
And they were.
When Howard Cosell, the leadingZionist telecaster, is in Africa
covering a fight for a Muslimin Africa, an all-Black event
(13:01):
today, which would be in thebillions of dollars, mayweather
ain't got nothing on thatpay-per-view if it, if it could
be parallel today.
Just think about this exactlywhere we're at now, we've got a
bunch of half-naked women at asuper bowl that we're begging to
attend, with some rappers andsome other people to uphold
(13:26):
white supremacy and no shotsagainst the football teams or
this or that.
You know.
Kc Chiefs I'm a fan, you knowas far as that goes.
You know what I'm saying.
And Seattle Seahawks I got togive them a honorary seat at the
table.
But I'm just sayingcomparatively, when we look at
(13:48):
our economic downturn, what hasbeen the cause of it?
And clearly the answer is oureagerness to integrate and our
reluctance to rely on self.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Our behaviors.
I want to hear from Mag whatyou got to say about that, Mag,
what you want to add on brother.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, I've always paid attention to Brother Claude
Anderson and the topics and thepoints and the stuff that he
brought up with theEmpowernomics.
That's why I wanted to get thisbrother here on the show,
because he has an organizationknown as Africatown that has
(14:28):
taken a lot of those points andthe resolutions that came from
those points and implementedthem on a civic level where they
say there's no solutions tothis problem of, you know, black
homelessness and blackdisplacement.
If there is a solution, no onehas presented it.
(14:49):
So instead of complaining, thebrother here, malachi Kane, he
is, you know, actually remedyingthe situation using, you know,
a lot of Dr Claude's words ofinspiration and a foundation,
you know.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's dope.
No, the brother is well readwhen he's saying it.
It makes a lot of sense to putthese principles, these ideas,
into practicality because, asBrother Ron was saying earlier,
when the pandemic hit, itaffected our community really.
That's why we really startedthis organization Project Africa
(15:24):
Restoration, par.
We wanted to start, we wantedto feed the less fortunate
within within our neighborhood.
Right, because I see how itaffected us a lot and you know
from there I went on on thesefarm forums and I see that only
three percent of our peoplereally run farms in the US and
I'm like damn, we are really inbad shape, like yeah, we could
(15:46):
have successful um, entertainers, you know, athletes, rappers
and such, but in reality that'sjust a small monopoly.
That's my, not that's my.
I mean, I'm a monopoly minoritylike the others.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I like that.
Yeah, yeah, that's the rightword too Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
We're caught up in a monopoly, definitely.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You don't know the game.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
To segue on what Brother Mikey was saying.
You know, earlier last week youhad this big news thing going
on about Jay-Z's bid to take thecasino to Times Square or
whatever, and it failed.
And you know the Breakfast Club.
And then you had, you know, awhole bunch of people on the
(16:32):
other side.
Oh, that's racist, man, theyjust hating on them.
Oh man, why they do Jay Like,you know we had all of that back
, but you know, but let me askthis, with all that money, but
let me ask this With all thatmoney, why couldn't you start a
health care facility or a schoolor something that we need?
Because they kept bringing up,community needs this, the
(16:57):
community is fighting and wantsthis.
And I kept asking myself what?
Who is they talking about?
Yeah, ok, my grandma needs togo back to the casino and lose
the check again.
What's happening?
You know it's like who is hetalking about?
We need our own health carefacility because we are clearly
the sickest people physically.
As you were saying, covid was aturning point point.
(17:31):
It highlighted the weakness andvulnerability of our diet, our
exercise programs and plans andour overall health, from our
children up to our elderly.
And we did not recover fromCOVID.
We have not recovered and it'snot COVID the disease, it's
COVID the media and socialinstitution that disabled us.
Stay at home, don't get anymoney, we'll pay your rent,
(17:55):
don't worry about it.
And after COVID, the tidal waveof health care, lack of school,
unpaid rent and debt caught upto us and is hitting us the
hardest.
And we are the only groupnationwide that has not been
given relief.
Ok, let me say that again.
(18:17):
We are the only group that hasnot been given relief.
From Wall Street down toTrailer Park, white man, we are
the only group.
Mexicans got relief, aregetting relief.
There's an unlimited budget Idon't know if you know that, uh,
for their housing, health careand everything else.
We're the ones on the frontline with nothing, just a bill
(18:42):
and that deal well, maybe beeleaves they give us bee leaves
instead of re-leaf.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I like that one.
Oh lord, I like that one yeah,no doubt he said bee leaves
instead of re-leaf exactly,exactly, that's real, you know
as.
Claude Anderson said in hissong.
Dr Claude Anderson said in hissong.
Dr Claude Anderson said youknow, when our people tend to
(19:12):
get a few dollars right, if theylack discipline and the proper
etiquette, that dollar is goingto leave within minutes.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Seconds yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So we know, throughout the pandemic things
were critical for our people,but then some were doing those,
just like other groups weredoing the scam as well the, the
ppp right I wanted to see, itwas part of our relief.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But I said man told me the people got jammed after,
so let me leave that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Exactly it was a relief because you know there
was.
Some had legitimate business.
Many didn't have legitimatebusinesses.
You you know, instead ofactually investing that money
into a business or putting itaside, they were out there
getting rentals, popping bottles, having block parties, and
later on that PPP turned into aproblem for them.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
You understand.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, it's a major problem now.
You know on that subject.
One Saturday I had went to thebank to get a rental check for
one of our clients that neededit.
You know, they were in aneviction type situation.
So I go into the bank, bank ofAmerica.
(20:26):
So I go into the bank Bank ofAmerica, the whole bank, women
(20:48):
and I I didn't even the peoplethat greeted me at the door
couldn't even speak english.
That's how bad it was, you know.
And I don't know if that's bador good.
It's bad if I'm in america andI can't speak english and no one
at the bank understands whatI'm saying.
Uh, the manager, I, who Irecognized, finally came out
from behind the glass and cameup to me and I said man, what is
(21:11):
going on?
I said the guy that greeted meat the door with the little iPad
, he didn't even understand whatI was saying.
He said I know we're processingan influx of the PPP loan
checks today, checks today.
I said all of these old peopleI mean it was like 60 year old,
50 year old, you know, 30, 20year old all these people were
(21:32):
in here getting these checks.
And I said what are theygetting checks for?
He said mainly nail salons and,uh, landscaping services and I
was just in a daze like ma'.
How many hundreds of millionsof dollars is about to walk out
that door?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Well, really.
And then I saw simultaneously Imean, tell me what you saw with
around that time, when COVIDhit Right and the PPP checks it,
you saw a lot of fentanyl onthe street.
That's when it really hit.
Yeah, that's when it really hit.
Yeah, yeah, that's when itreally hit.
And I was like what is thisstuff, you know?
And they were saying nobody hadno money, but everybody had
(22:15):
fentanyl.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh yeah, what people don't realize.
I learned this in LA the nailsalon is the chief importer of
acetone and other chemicals thatyou and I cannot go and buy.
Ok, and those are the chemicalsused in our favorite
concoctions.
You know, from from the hardrock to the sherm to the
(22:39):
fentanyl, stuff relies onchemicals and we saw a union
during COVID with the Chinesenationals and the Mexican
cartels that came together tocreate market transport import
the chemicals and the fentanylinto America.
I heard about that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's what they used to call back then China White.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well, the China White was a heroin.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, it was basically not even real Like not
even real heroin.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's a chemical thing .
It's a heroin that you snort.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, like they told Dorothy, stay away from the
poison poppies, okay.
And they've been putting us tosleep, since you know forever.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So I have a question though.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yes, sir, brother.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
What is the central problem poweronomics seeks to
solve?
Like we have many, but what isthe mean?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think changing our mindset okay To what solution
looks like, or is changing ourmindset to what solution looks
like, or is what, or a strongoutcome of victory is what is
that?
How does?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
that look.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Is that me sitting up with a mortgage payment,
putting three kids throughschool and, you know, washing my
car down in the driveway with awater hose?
In some that is viablefinancially.
You know, with our own, I likethat one Exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
That one sounds right , exactly Right.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, the highest level of success is along the
same lines or paralleling thehighest levels of integration
with white hegemony and control.
Then you have succeeded.
(25:06):
You know, when you can get tothe top and get with Mr Schumer
and you know these other peopleand Mr White and all these guys
at BlackRock.
Now you're at the table, nowyou've become somebody.
But when you have your own,independent of them, that's also
successful.
Maybe not in number wise, butautonomously.
(25:31):
That is the success, and Ithink that's what the book is
really saying.
Hey, look over here, you know,and that timeline is is equally
important because, we'vesurpassed it.
So where are we?
You know, it's just like if youwoke up and you're waiting on
the day of judgment and youdidn't realize the end of the
(25:53):
world already happened and it'sall, that's over with.
Where are you at now?
Because it's sure not happeningright, exactly we're in that
stage where we're trying tofigure out.
Where are we?
You see what I'm saying maybeit's negatory.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Maybe we didn't make purgatory and we got put in
negatory we in negatory alrightthe negatory.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I understand where you're coming from the
powernomics.
He had a lot of highlightedpoints where he said integration
is disintegration, which meansthat that you know you want to
integrate, but then youdisintegrate with your own.
You don't know how to dobusiness with your own people
Right.
And you know I'm going to catchflack for this, but forgive me
(26:42):
if I'm saying this.
We are very iffy when it comesto doing business with one
another.
You understand we have adistrust.
You put any amount of smalldollar between us, you know it
starts to ruffle up feathers.
Dudes feel a certain way.
I'm entitled to this.
You know, as another doctorsaid, that Dr Frazier said we
(27:06):
have business and we havebidness, right.
He said that Dr Frazier said wehave business and we have
business right.
He said that right.
Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Brother Ron be saying this.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Like Brother Ron always say this he's like yo,
you know X, y and Z would showup to work for the so-called man
on time.
When it's time for him to dobusiness on his own time with
his own people, he shows up late.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes, he or she don't care, so exactly like.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Why is that we have etiquette for that.
When it comes to our own, welack the lack, that same
etiquette, that same vigor well,where does that come from?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
it's just that.
It's our value system.
Okay, that has been subvertedfrom looking in the mirror to
look out the window.
All right, what that means isyour money and your time don't
mean as much to me as his moneyand his time.
(28:03):
When he wants me to get to workat 9 am, I am there.
I'm there at 855 because Irealize that that is a value to
him and I'm upholding his value.
But when it's me and you 915,930, 10 o'clock, man, I might as
well call in.
But I'm going to come in andI'm going to do you a favor
(28:27):
anyway, man, and come in today,man, because I know you need
help with the fries, man, andyou know I'm coming.
Hold on for me, man, because Imean, the new George came out
and I got to be at the mall toget them before.
You know, I come after they'regoing to be gone.
That's our mentality.
So it's just a matter of usvaluing someone else's time and
(28:51):
money more than our own.
You know, I don't see the valuein establishing you as an
institution more so thanestablishing him.
Like, for instance, what if CNNhad contacted me today and said
we want to hear about what yougot to say about you know?
X, y, z.
What am I doing?
(29:13):
Hey, y'all.
Hey, man.
Guess what CNN called man?
Yeah, the Caucasian.
Establish a ring it's working.
Call yeah, man.
You understand what I'm saying,right, this is a one-time
opportunity, man.
No CNN can wait.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's about loyalty.
We're not loyal to ourselvesand each other, basically.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We haven't been trained that we are more
valuable.
To have your own is morevaluable.
We have that renter mentalitywhere we rent our stuff and that
money we know is helping himbuy his stuff.
He becomes the owner.
We're perpetual renters and atthe end we get nothing except
(29:58):
the gratification of seeing himhave everything.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So that's.
It's a deep psychological chokethat we're dealing with that
causes us to do this.
You know, I keep kind of whatthey say, defaulting back to
this behavior.
I used to say the white man'sice is colder and his sugar is
sweeter.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yes, it is, and it's something that's born in
colonialism and slavery here inthe United States, more so here
because they perfected theirgame here on us.
And we understood and knownthat we are the test subjects
for global domination.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
We are To add on to that family.
I mean, let's talk about thisreal quick, let's go into this
1865, slavery ended.
Okay, about 1880, some odd inthere.
1889 was the Berlin Conference,meaning that they had mastered
their program on us.
And then, 25 to 30 years later,they said well, let's take it
(30:58):
to this larger group andimplement colonialism.
So that's facts.
When you say where to testsubjects, it shows you right
there, because colonialism isjust a larger version of slavery
.
Yeah, and if you understand thepsychological motivations of a
people, yeah, you can take thatlittle program, a little lab
(31:18):
program, and expand it to awhole continent.
So I just wanted to add on yeah, you right on the spot, johnny
on the spot on that one, sir.
Yeah, you right on the spot,johnny on the spot on that one,
sir, that's real.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So, oh my God, it's like you know, the last show and
this one is putting everythingin proper perspective altogether
.
So to what you were saying, mag.
How does powernomics connect toeconomic and culture?
It adds on to that from likeyou know.
(31:50):
Know how does it to the culture?
Because we know, we feel thatonce I'm successful, there's
nothing wrong.
There's nothing wrong withrewarding yourself and treating
yourself good, right, but wefeel that once we get a certain
amount of dollars, I can't liveamongst my own because those
that don't have it, that aremisfortunate, don't think like
me and I become a target.
So why is it that within ourculture, we feel that once we're
successful, we got to get awayfrom one another.
(32:11):
We feel like we can't deal witheach other, no more.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, I'm going to keep it 100.
And it hurts and I say it hurtsbecause it takes away from our
own personal responsibility butthe criminalization and the mind
(32:34):
control and media control ofthe white people okay, we have
been criminalized.
I'll give you an example.
All right, I grew up in the 80s.
I was at age 16.
I was at the NWA Too ShortPublic Enemy concert with Ice-T,
(32:55):
absolutely, I mean, I was upthere at 16, right, you know?
I'm just saying that to put itin perspective of what I'm
thinking and the time frame.
At that point in time, thehighest level street wear
(33:15):
clothing that you could have wasa Dapper Dan troop suit or Fila
suit or one of those what theycall markups or mashups.
Now, all right, if I said I'mgoing to put together a Nike
(33:36):
outfit and sew it together withleathers and it looks dope and
send my son out to school with,what would happen?
They would laugh.
You got on some homemade Nikestuffike stuff.
Man.
The daddy done put together.
Look at his shoe.
Oh my god, like it looks.
Like I don't care about that.
(33:57):
Look, man, we got our stuff atthe mall.
You got your stuff in some dudein a alley warehouse downtown
off the ground and then the fedscame in and criminalized the
man, arrested him, busted him,you know.
So what I'm saying is, you know,they criminalized us first,
(34:22):
then subconsciously pressed theinferiority complex into our
mindset about us, about our own,when we do our own thing, when
we build our own business, whenwe innovate.
Then now look at the flip sideDapper Dan working for Gucci and
(34:42):
Louis Vuitton right now.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They're calling him for every design that come out.
Check this out, dan.
How do we get at your people?
Because he's a master at it.
So they completely flipped thescript and, like I said again,
I'm going to say it once morewe're too busy looking out the
window as opposed to looking inthe mirror.
He got it going down the streetstreet we don't inside of us,
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but he's looking in the mirrorfrom behind us out there.
What he doing now?
What's he doing now?
you see, that's, that's theproblem it's so real, brings
that, brings that to thehighlight and forefront of
gender wise so the agenda right,because I have noticed this
right.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Um, when rappers were coming out with their own
clothing line, I noticed placeslike JCPenney or Kmart would be
the, you know, the places thatsell their clothing and it'll be
middle, it'll be middle America.
Um, white kids buying like therockaways, the fat farms,
whatsoever, right, right, and afew people in the in the hood
(35:56):
will buy their clothing.
But I noticed that it was themthat were picking it up because,
you know, we are a commodity tosell, a lifestyle.
But meanwhile the rappers, asyou mentioned earlier, will be
the ones to go out there and buythe gucci's, the pradas you get
what I'm saying all the italianbrands.
But meanwhile we'd be like I'mnot paying that much for that,
(36:19):
that's too much money, it's thesame price as polo but like I'm
not supporting no jay-z or nosean combs or whoever I'm gonna
go out there and get that.
Ralph Lauren.
You know what I'm saying.
Go to Neiman Martin, whatever,and go blow $3,000 on one
t-shirt.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
He's outside of us, he's an external extension of
you know, of value, and we don'tsee value in ourselves.
So when we see the Sean John,the Rock of Wear, the, this,
that and this and that man,that's cool.
But man, that one man, that'sItalian leather.
You know, I was reading thisarticle and it was some brothers
(37:04):
from Ghana and Nigeria, and itwas some brothers from Ghana and
Nigeria and they wereexpressing how the Italian
designers come and get all oftheir, their leather and take it
to it.
They're the ones and producingthe leather, the raw leather
material that winds up in Italy,that makes those bags, those
(37:26):
shoes and those clothes.
All of that is coming fromAfrica.
But part of the contract is youare not to reveal who you are
selling and how much you'reselling.
This is to be on the under, andwe're just importing or
(37:47):
exporting from you all rawmaterials.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Got you.
There's a comment here fromMiss Alicia Hutton which is very
, very deep.
I mean, yeah, very, very deepcomments.
She said black community andother minority communities have
not been educated on financialassets and employment and
employment ethic Caucasianpersons have been taught through
(38:15):
generations that's true, thatright, that right.
There is very true, yes, it is,and it's coming from my sister
as well.
I like that definitely, sis.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Thank you, um, but let's comment on.
We have been in a fight orflight situation where we're
living from hand to hand, checkto check, mouth to mouth, you
know.
So we are on, have been inthose situations.
Ok, then the other side of thatis we got this large chunk of
(38:42):
money, or such and such isselling dope, and got this type
of money.
You know, there's always thistime, uh compression on our
finances to where, instead oflearning, we're concerned with,
uh, the utilization forimmediate needs and survival, as
(39:03):
opposed to sitting therepondering, organizing and
educating about what we're doingthroughout, you know, and so
that's not an accident.
You know that's not an accident.
But at some point in time,again back to personal
responsibility, and that'sanother thing I was saying
(39:23):
investments.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
We're not talking about investment.
I was saying we were nottalking about investments.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
No, investment is just one aspect of it.
How about spending money?
You?
Know, how about, you know,create products to sell.
Invest in yourself.
The stock market is great andcrypto is great and all that's
great.
Invest in yourself.
What do you have to offer theworld that can make money?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And see there's another part that goes to that.
Okay, because a lot of us havereally good ideas, right, really
good ideas, man.
A lot of us have good productsthat we could bring to the table
.
That's where the white folksget it from.
From us, we have 50,000inventions after slavery.
However, what we do not have isthe operational unity and the
(40:12):
cooperation to bring theseproducts from sketches to an
actual physical product and tocontinue to continually,
consistently put it out andmarket it.
That operational unity.
But realistically, the sad thingis that we're the only group
that does have like a homogenouscommunity here in America.
(40:35):
They say it's not, but it hasto be because they're selling us
all the same things, same food,same clothes, giving us all the
same.
If it wasn't homogenous, it isnow.
So if we could take thathomogenousness that we have all
wearing the same clothes, buyingthe same foods, drinking the
same red red juice y'all knowyou got some red juice over
(40:55):
there somewhere, yeah, okay, yousee, but take that and invest
that in the cooperation you know, into building what brother
malachi is talking about somenew communities that are
civically fit for where we're atright now, and if we take all
this, quite the same effort thatwe take, you know, to go and
(41:17):
buy all this stuff and you know,try to keep up with the Joneses
and buy these Germans.
If we took just the effortitself, okay, the money is the
money.
The money comes when you put awhole bunch of people
cooperatively, collectively,together.
The money will come.
But if you don't have thecooperation, you don't need the
money, because ain't nothinggonna happen with the money.
And I'm feeling like that's,that's one of our achilles heel
(41:38):
man, what you think, brother malI?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I totally agree and you know know, just really
honing back in on Dr Claude'stimeline, you know, those are
over, man.
You know the day where we jumpup on the soapbox and galvanize
the people and we all gathertogether and get the people to
come down.
You know, right now, what weneed to be focused on is
(42:05):
microeconomic sales.
All right, because we arepowerful and, as you know, I
come on this show I think I'vebeen three times but I will
always tell you about your powerand that, globally, you are the
most powerful people on planetearth.
I will never diminish thatcomment.
(42:26):
I won't walk it back.
I won't put any filters on that.
We are the most powerful peopleon planet Earth.
Now, with that being said, fiveof us that are focused and
directed to a strategyeconomically, militarily
(42:53):
socially or otherwise we canaccomplish greatness.
That's a fact.
That's true.
Yeah, all right.
I walk through the streets andthe marketplaces in various
countries throughout the world,particularly in africa.
I see young men and older menwith Jordans on and jerseys and
I approach them and I say youlike Michael Jordan?
(43:15):
And they say who you know.
They don't even know who Jordanis.
They don't know why they havethe shoes on, but they know we
wear it.
They don't they just know ourage.
All right, now, that's in everyculture and society on planet
earth.
All right.
(43:36):
So now, if we build a microcell, uh, to do some economic
work and upliftment for ourpeople, okay, it could be done,
uh, myself, I think, with fivepeople, uh, even less, it was
really just me and my childrenand a couple supporters, brother
(43:58):
Magnetic included, were able toraise over $10 million and
distribute that throughout themetropolitan area of the city of
Seattle to save our people fromhomelessness.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Salute, hold on, gotta salute you guys for that.
That is powerful right there.
Ok, hold on, I got to saluteyou guys for that.
That is powerful.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You know we started out with a lemonade stand with
ideas and conversation againstthe establishment's domination
of our educational and communityresources.
You know which they have astronghold on all over the
country.
You know which they have astronghold on all over the
country.
But just a few people were ableto say, hey, this is an issue
(44:43):
that's important to us, thatwe're not going to let go, and
the hush money and the getawayand the political kickback or
whatever was, let's get themsomething so they can't say
anything else, so we cansuppress that.
So I think that if we have thatmind state, we can kind of
(45:08):
disavow this trust, thisdistrust that we have in black
business and black this and that, and come together in small
sales and then unite those smallsales together to create larger
cells and a network nationally.
I think and know that that canhappen and we can do it.
We have the brain power, wehave the manpower, we have the
intelligence.
What we don't have is theagenda and the directive.
(45:31):
But that's what we have beendeveloping in our think tank.
You know the Rand Foundationhas a think tank the Ford and
Carnival developing in our thinktank.
You know Rand Foundation has athink tank the Ford and Carnival
Foundation have a think tank.
We expand our think tank, unifyit and come together.
You know you can rent a hall ora banquet center or something
(45:53):
to that effect for the repass orfor the wedding reception or
little TT and them birthdayparty.
Okay, let's rent that conventioncenter and bring the Black men
together to save our families,ourselves and our lives in the
community and globally.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
That's real right there.
That would be.
I mean and that's why I loveBrother Malachi, because he's
one of the few brothers I hearpeople talking about this
subject, but I don't hear peoplemoving on black civics, livable
black cities.
How do we do this?
How do we build this?
How do we create thecooperation?
Is it doable?
He's the person that has pushedthe conversation that I saw you
(46:39):
know what I mean and then tookand went to go get the money and
put the money behind the idea.
So now it's in motion andpeople can see yes, this is
something that's real.
However, we need to go pastthis.
You know, rent subsidies to,like the brother said, building
our actual own places in whichwe control, in which we build,
(47:01):
in which we run, in which wemaintain.
That's a great conversation forbrothers like our age to be
having man and then take this toeverywhere where it's needed,
because if we can do it here, wecan do it anywhere.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Exactly A smart sell because this African town
exactly that's right a smart, asmart sell because this african
town I see the importance of whyyou implementing dr claude's
principles in there and you know, um, the black round table is
just basically gettinglike-minded individuals right,
not seeking that validation fromthe outside, but just looking
(47:34):
within, knowing that we have themight, we have the will I mean
the outside, but just lookingwithin, knowing that we have the
might, we have the will I meanthe power but we just need that
will to overcome these things.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And then I just want to ask, you know, so far as
validation, yes, there's a lotof us that continuously look for
mainstream validation.
Where are those people that arevalidated?
Where are they?
I think the height, the biggestone, was Barack Obama, you know
(48:08):
, and everybody was.
I mean, I don't want to be likethe hater dude, you know, or
the naysayer guy, but I've beentelling people about the man you
know coming from theMidwestwest chicago, missouri,
all of this coming from there.
I've been telling them like thepeople on the grassroots level
knew, hey, this ain't the, itain't the business, nah, but now
(48:28):
you know, yeah, okay, so he, hehad the highest level of
mainstream validation as aso-called black man, if you
accept that premise of hisidentity, because he's safe.
Right, but at this point in time, it's totally collapsed.
Yeah, okay, it has totallycollapsed.
(48:49):
He had him, will Smith, jay-zall of them in the same shoe and
bucket.
You know what I'm saying?
And everybody's looking at themlike man, bro, what's?
Speaker 3 (49:03):
the deal yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
It was just showing.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Where's the?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
money at yeah.
And now look at you.
You played yourself.
You have no credibility with usand that was shown during the
Kamala fiasco.
You know he came to degrade andtalk crazy to black people and
it was like man you don't evenhave, you can't even step on
even register.
You can't step on.
(49:27):
Your opinion is worthless.
So this is the way of beingvalidated by the white man when
you finish your usefulness tothem, they pull that rug out
from under you and that goldencarriage turns into a pumpkin.
And sorry, cinderella, take ithome.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
And the high heel turned into a converse.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, hit the ground and start turning
them deals that you was doing inthe alley before we met you so
valid like that.
I don't want to be valid likethat.
No, turn my switch off.
Our about.
Our validity, like malcolmmatch, is eternal.
(50:13):
Our validity stands the test oftime and continues to inspire,
above and beyond whatevercredibility they could ever lend
us.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Say that.
In fact, I think you know I wasin college one time.
Okay, this was like late, I'dsay late 90s, going into 2000,.
Okay, we had a lot of exchangestudents and they asked them.
They said why do you come here?
They asked all of them?
We had some.
There was some China, we hadsome of them from Europe, some
of them from all over differentparts.
They said who do you reallygravitate towards?
(50:46):
They said man, only the blackrappers.
They said not the politiciansor anybody.
They named all these whitepeople.
They no, we don't like them, welike motel oh, he froze, let's
see he goes yeah, he froze upbefore.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Before we go, I want to ask one of like two questions
like this is.
This is pertaining to, like theum, the africatown.
Okay, what industry should ask?
What industry?
What industry does andersonsuggest?
You know when?
Speaker 3 (51:22):
we're talking about, oh, when we're talking about the
, you know, america's image.
Yeah, there's some white peoplein there, but the people they
think of most.
This most prominent dominant isus, period, you know.
And we, as far as the worldtrends like you said, brother
Mal, we're the creator of worldtrends.
Other people try to make themand do their best and they put a
(51:43):
lot of money behind them.
We wake up in the morning andstart a world trend.
You're saying this is a timewhen we can use this influence,
take it from out of the bullshit, rap stuff, the parenting white
culture, and invest it intoourselves and makes we.
There has to be a new model forliving for the future, and only
(52:06):
black people can create it,because we gave america its
first model and the world isfirst model for living has to be
updated, though, andreorganized according to what's
going on right now, and we cando it, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
That's true.
It's self-love, Self-love andunity.
Trust me, I'm not saying wemonolithic, but if we had
understanding, compassion andlove for one another we would
shift things, it would In theblink of an eye.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
I know to some it may sound like a utopia.
It has never happen.
It has to happen and we have todo a lot of cleaning within our
own backyard to get that going.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Thanks Everyone will make it, unfortunately.
I think that the key to it iseconomics and it's found in
power economics.
You know, right wingnationalists.
I'm not even going to give hisname, you know, just the light
(53:08):
of day, but he made a commenthey, the reason that the inner
cities are in turmoil and thisand that is going on is because
of lack of the, the father inthe in the households of these
people.
Okay, and I, I, I detract fromthat and and I reject it and I
say this you can have a fatherin the household, Like many of
(53:31):
us they grew up, did, but if thefather is ineffective because
of his economic status andtherefore viewed as a lowly
individual in the household andin the community Because it
didn't matter, how many wouldhave had the father and the
(53:53):
father in the court with the son, you know, and the son going to
jail.
I've been there for him, youknow.
We hear that story too manytimes.
So, economically, the man hasto be a figure of support and
innovation economically to berespected by the youth and the
(54:14):
community at large by the youthand the community at large and
they have hamstrung us and wehave played into that and
neglected to fight back properly, which has created the
situation where the youthdisrespect the household, the
youth disrespect the communitybecause it's not theirs and it
will never be theirs with thepathway of economic downfall
(54:35):
that we see.
So how will they ever winunless they shoot it up and slam
some stuff and take it from you?
So that is the reason.
But as long as we can make itsome social slave issue kids
that got stole down the riverand then the investor in them
came back but he can't see hissons in them and now they went
(54:56):
crazy as long as we can keepthat narrative going, we take
the economic chip off the tableand we revert into some you know
, a situation where we haveineffective policies, approaches
and leadership in how to solvethese problems.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
Beautiful.
That's real right there, yes,sir.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
I would just say, you know, I'm really glad we're
here continuing thisconversation about livable black
cities, because I've heardconsultants, I've heard
politicians, I've heardso-called leaders address this
subject.
However, the only people thatare really going to sincerely be
able to address it and dealwith it are the people who it's
(55:46):
basically us, you know, thepeople who have walked through
this and lived in this and seenall angles of it and looking at
it from inside out and outside,in perspective, to know what
works, what has worked and whathas not worked, you know, and
then taking what has worked andmultiplying it.
Multiplying, okay, us, us, us,here, we, we, you know we.
(56:10):
We pretty much share the sameideals.
You know what I mean.
Um, I've seen a lot of littlebitty projects grow into big
projects.
Okay, little bitty projectsgrow into big, big projects, man
, and things that people thoughtcould never grow that big.
Seattle university started withone house.
(56:31):
University of Washingtonstarted with about four or five
houses and somebody donated andnow it's almost a huge portion
of the city, seattle Universityas well.
But what it takes iscooperation and consistency,
continually stacking bricks.
Even if it's just one brick aday, that's still a brick that
(56:53):
counts.
And the cooperation and thecommitment.
Commitment, it goes a long way,and that's what we're bringing
to you here with africatown isso you can plug into an
infrastructure of somethingthat's going into the future.
That's not some fly by night,something that pops up and then
disappears, because we've dealtwith a lot of that, we've seen a
(57:13):
lot of that, you know, and wewant people to be able to plug
into something that says, hey,we have, we have sustainability,
as far as I would say what Icall civic utility okay, meaning
that you don't just build anapartment for people.
You got to have the school, yougot to have the hospital, you
got to have the supermarket, youhave to have the amenities to
(57:33):
make it a livable black city.
And that's what we're talkingabout.
We're not just talking aboutone business, one apartment, one
health center for one family.
No, that ain't it.
That's not a whole discussionor that's not the whole answer.
So you know that's right.
(57:54):
And let me just add.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
I know we're closing but we have to remember and
always enforce in all of ourcircles.
You've got United States, GreatBritain, France, Russia, China
and every other nation thatcalls themselves a power, a
superpower or anything inbetween.
Their whole focus ismaintaining relationships with
(58:18):
Africa so that they can stillstay in power.
If we are to constitute a nation, as we have been calling
ourselves for the past hundredyears, if we constitute a nation
, we too also must join thatstruggle of creating economic
ties and back and forth flowbetween here and the continent.
(58:41):
We have a fact.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's a fact.
Thanks, oh my God bro.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
That's the Morris tradition right there.
Trade and commerce, yes, sir,you have to have, you have to
look at the word market to have.
In fact, if you look at theword market, we know it was more
kits.
So without the more, no market,we took the products abroad.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
The whole world came there to buy, sell and trade,
but mostly to buy.
And just so you understand, thefirst to recognize the United
States of America in theircorporate status after the
British embargo.
That said, no one shall buy theMediterranean and back with
(59:29):
goods, cotton specifically andservices.
This was the basis for a lot ofthe original maritime law for
(59:52):
the American corporation.
Just look it up.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
How can they get in contact, how can people go about
finding information aboutAfricantown and how can they
contribute, get involved?
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Okay, Well, the topic is pretty broad, meaning there
are many Africantowns.
The biggest one is in China,actually meaning the most people
engaged in the commerce andtravel and this and this and
that as far as what we're doinghere in Seattle, west Africa and
(01:00:28):
other places throughout thecountry.
Just contact me or contact infoat Africatowninternationalorg.
There's a website.
It's under development.
We're just rehashing it so itshould be up and running
sometime next month.
But info here I'll put it inthe chat for anyone and from
(01:00:48):
that situation.
All inquiries can be met on apersonal level, not some, you
know, behind the veil typesituation, some you know behind
the veil type situation.
Uh, because I think I know whatwe're going to have to do in
the next few months is organizethe thought process that is
(01:01:09):
going to give us our own socialservice network, uh, throughout
the world.
Okay, because there is no moremoney for us and there's a
hostile nature and attitude fromthe people that we were relying
on Social Security, food stamps, section 8, all of that let's
(01:01:30):
get rid of it.
Let's do it ourselves.
We can do better.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
We can do better.
I said that we can do itourselves, man.
If we could do it ourselves, wewouldn't have to worry about
who's going to be sitting in thepolitical seat.
Yeah, you got to deal with yourlocal politics, but it wouldn't
affect you as much if you hadmoney circulating.
Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
No, it wouldn't.
When you travel the world andyou see all these other
countries with free housing andfree health care, and then you
come back to the so-called raceon earth and man, I can't even
go get a bandaid if I don't havehealth insurance.
You know, I went to the doctorthe other week.
I go, your health coverageexpired.
I was like I took my money.
No, it was like, yeah, but thatwas for that plan and this plan
(01:02:09):
, and you got to go to plan Band G.
You know, I couldn't believe it.
Believe it, but this is thereality for us no healthcare, no
housing, no economicintegration into their systems
and finally, what else is leftbesides prison and death?
(01:02:31):
That's the inheritance thatwe're trying to hand off to our
youth.
We've got to do better.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Definitely, definitely.
That being said, my people, Iappreciate y'all for coming out
Right on bro.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
And Brother Mal is definitely going to be a part of
our regular Black Roundtablediscussion.
You know, and I just want tosay I appreciate you seeing you
again, brother Mikey.
It's been a while since I'veseen you, brother.
Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Been a minute, but you're still in there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I appreciate you, man , and honestly, we would love to
bring Africatown man as anentity to New York.
So let's have that conversationas well, because I know there's
some people who need servicesOkay.
Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
We'll be up there and we'll get you connected, let's
do it.
Indeed, my up there, and we'llmake the connection.
Let's do it.
Indeed my brother.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Peace Alright peace brother, Peace family Be out.
Alright nice to see you, Mike,Likewise my brother.
Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Yes, sir.
Thank you, brother man.
Thank you brother Mike Peace.
You're welcome, brother, Thankyou.
Peace world, peace world.
How you doing.
It's your brother, mikey Fever,and I'm back.
That was a great show we hadWith Abdullah and Israel.
Peace to the Moors man.
They gave a dope demonstrationAbout semantics and linguistics.
Man had my mind going, you know.
So what's going on, my brotheroh, then he dropped out.
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Don't forget to comment, like,share, subscribe.
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What else?
All that extra good stuff andpeace to all.
Peace, you know.
Peace to the nation of gods andearth, islam to the Moors to
the nation of gods and earth,islam to the moors.
Bendy sean, to the sensoryephah, um what else?
Assalamu alaikum wa alaikum,zillah to the palo, to my
(01:18):
haitian voodoo practitioners and, okay, all that good stuff,
please.
Yeah, where you at your camerawent out?
Oh man, magnetic dropout.
You know, technicaldifficulties tend to happen.
Technical difficulties tend tohappen.
So we trying to get the brotherto come back.
(01:40):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
All right Brother should be logging on momentarily
.
Peace to the family.
Oh, I'm black family.
How you.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Man, I'm glad.
I'm glad I haven't seen you ina minute.
It's been a minute, man.
How's the family man?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Man, the family's good man, Family's real good man
, these kids, they growing sofast.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Every time I blink, blink, it's like they grow an
inch.
Yeah, man, yeah, time to getsome new sneakers, again, new
sneakers, new sneakers.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Peace to have been please.
Yes, sir, yeah, and as soon asyou get them, they grow out of
them.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So yeah, but you know that's how that go what our
parents used to do to us buythem like three sides up.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Like you're, you're going to wear these, hey man,
till you can fit them.
Yeah, I remember them days.
I remember them.
Yes, sir, I remember them days.
All right, peace.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Peace.
Hey peace brother, malaki,peace, peace, peace brother, how
you doing?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yes, sir, yes sir, Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's a pleasure to meet you as well, man, I know
the black round table.
They doing their thing, theyhere tonight.
The black round table is back.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes, sir, In the building building.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Definitely Peace to all you guys.
You guys are doing magnificentwork educating, involved, really
involved, out there, yes, sir.
So tonight we'll be talkingabout Power Now, mix by Dr
Claude Anderson.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Which is beautiful, because you know it's funny.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I got that one right here.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
See, I got it right here.
That's a popular one.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, man, I went through that book book, you know
it's been years, but I gottareally go back and, you know,
renew history, as they say,because there was a lot of
powerful information in therebrother mike, you might want to
turn your mic up.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Family, I can, I can hardly hear you.
Man, there we go, there we goyeah I got the book right here.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I read this book like many moons ago, so I gotta
brush up on here.
As the gods say, renew myhistory.
Gotta go back and look at it,because he had a lot of um, very
pivotal information on in there.
I'm like there's a lot moreroom for me.
You know not excluding myselfthat I need to really re-examine
.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So let's get into it man.
All right.
Well, first off, thanks forhaving me and, as you were
saying, powernomics, it shouldbe a staple of Black thought and
agenda building throughout thediaspora, especially here in
America, as we continue to seethe decline of all of our social
(04:31):
metrics that indicatesustainable life.
As a people, you know, as apeople, you know, we often look
(04:52):
at the news and we see what'sgoing on in Gaza, in Sudan.
You know the news headlines,you know, are always, you know,
close to heart.
You know, even when we saw therecent assassination or shooting
, or whatever it was, of theright wing nationalist guy, all
of that hits home with usbecause whatever happens, it
happened to us first, you know.
(05:14):
And when we see a work like DrClaude's book, it's a reminder,
you know, because he said somesome really valid timelines in
there that I think have goneover the heads of most of us.
So when we look at Gaza and wesee two point five million
people being told, hey, move,you know, five miles that way,
(05:38):
now go back 10 miles that way.
And then you know 50,000 getkilled in the transit, and we're
like, wow, that is crazy.
Yeah, but what we don't doafter?
We call that genocide and weacknowledge that it's genocide.
We don't look in the mirror andsay, hey, how many of our
people have been pushed andmoved out of these cities.
(06:00):
You know, in a slow killfashion of these cities, you
know, in a slow kill fashion, wedon't call it genocide, we call
it gentrification.
You know, we pad the words andwe pad the motion and action
that's being taken against us,but we don't comparatively
analyze it and realize that weare the ones that's being
(06:21):
genocided.
Why?
I say that Palestine housesroughly 30 to 40 percent of the
total Palestinian population.
Meaning for the past 60 yearsthey've been allowed and
encouraged to migrate elsewherethroughout the world and they
(06:41):
have set up communities fromfrance, spain, america.
I'm sure we all know the, theblunt rap spot down the block
with in it.
You know what I'm saying.
He's so cool and he, you knowhe's our dog, he's our guy.
You know what I'm saying.
So, whatever happens inpalestine, those people have
(07:03):
proliferated throughout theworld.
Where are you at?
Where's your genocide at?
Where's your community to fleeto in these other foreign
nations and countries where yourfamily are, that's already set
up shop with money and things ofthat nature and land.
Where is it at?
You don't have it so after it,have it so after it's finished.
(07:24):
Here it's finished.
So, like I said, we need tolook at that.
Hold on hold on.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What's up, bro?
What you said was I had to giveyou that what you said was so.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
yeah, god, that was so.
Yeah, that's been hard headsand the heads of our children,
our women, our formercommunities and our places of
refuge.
And so we have to look atwhat's going on with us and not
to take anything away fromanything that's going on with
anyone else's experience orsituation, but just to call to
(08:19):
remembrance that we are theoriginal beta test subjects for
global domination anddestruction of a people and
genocide.
We are the original so,remember that.
So, brother, dr Claude, one ofmy favorite authors, you know he
(08:44):
never pulled punches, he nevertried to blend in or fit in or
or say the get along gang speechso he could get on the mic at
the convention with the man andthis, this, and that he targeted
our, our, our failinginfrastructure of leadership.
Infrastructure of leadershipAll of our leaders and our
(09:07):
institutions of leadership havebeen in total collapse since the
60s, when they began theirassassination campaigns
COINTELPRO and otherinstitutional intelligence-based
programs to eliminateorganization in our communities,
in our day-to-day lives.
(09:28):
And here we are today, Ibelieve 12 to 13 years after Dr
Claude told us if you don't getit together by this day and time
, it's going to be somepermanent repercussions that you
and the survivors are going tohave to deal with, and that's
(09:49):
what we're seeing today, so 2013.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Not to cut you off but to gather from.
When I picked up this bookyears ago, I basically see he
summarized the greatness and thegenius of of Black Wall Street
and other thriving blackAmerican cities that had their
own economy, that were thrivingfinancially, and he just
(10:13):
basically summarized, summarizedit and extracted a lot of like
ideas and blueprints toformulate this book.
And also it's basically it'slike he took a mirror and uphold
it, you know, to ourselves tosay this is what you need to do
in order to lift yourself fromthe bootstraps like stop,
depending on your system.
You know, you got the numbers,you're just not organized,
(10:35):
you're just not educatedeconomically.
So this, that's what I gatheredfrom this book when I read it
like man I was like he broke itdown.
He narrowed it down.
Why are you not investingwithin your own community, your
own people?
Why is it that your so-calledblack dollar is not circulating
(10:56):
X amount of days within theblack community?
The average time that stayswithin the community is three to
six hours, then it's back outthere.
Why are you not manufacturing?
Why are you not distributors assuch?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, he goes into that, he asks those questions.
In the end he comes up with arealistic and clearly
understandable conclusion.
And that is because of ourdetermination to be integrated
(11:36):
as opposed to manifesting ourown destiny within ourselves.
Desire to really hold on tothose tenets of civil rights
that have not benefited us isthe reason why our businesses
have failed, our communitieshave failed, our international
exploits have failed everything.
(11:57):
Think like this you had MuhammadAli during the 60s in Africa
doing one of the biggestsporting events in the history
of American sports.
What's the follow through inthe in the 70s, in the 80s, in
the 90s, in the 2000s?
Where are we yet?
(12:18):
Have we gone forward orbackwards?
Or backwards, you know?
So that was Black leadershipand Black men taking control
over their destiny and sayingwe're going to pave our own way,
we're going to exclude thehaters and the people that don't
want to see us prevail andwe're going to benefit and be
(12:40):
triumphant over the forces ofhate.
And they were.
When Howard Cosell, the leadingZionist telecaster, is in Africa
covering a fight for a Muslimin Africa, an all-Black event
(13:01):
today, which would be in thebillions of dollars, mayweather
ain't got nothing on thatpay-per-view if it, if it could
be parallel today.
Just think about this exactlywhere we're at now, we've got a
bunch of half-naked women at asuper bowl that we're begging to
attend, with some rappers andsome other people to uphold
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white supremacy and no shotsagainst the football teams or
this or that.
You know.
Kc Chiefs I'm a fan, you knowas far as that goes.
You know what I'm saying.
And Seattle Seahawks I got togive them a honorary seat at the
table.
But I'm just sayingcomparatively, when we look at
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our economic downturn, what hasbeen the cause of it?
And clearly the answer is oureagerness to integrate and our
reluctance to rely on self.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Our behaviors.
I want to hear from Mag whatyou got to say about that, Mag,
what you want to add on brother.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, I've always paid attention to Brother Claude
Anderson and the topics and thepoints and the stuff that he
brought up with theEmpowernomics.
That's why I wanted to get thisbrother here on the show,
because he has an organizationknown as Africatown that has
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taken a lot of those points andthe resolutions that came from
those points and implementedthem on a civic level where they
say there's no solutions tothis problem of, you know, black
homelessness and blackdisplacement.
If there is a solution, no onehas presented it.
(14:49):
So instead of complaining, thebrother here, malachi Kane, he
is, you know, actually remedyingthe situation using, you know,
a lot of Dr Claude's words ofinspiration and a foundation,
you know.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's dope.
No, the brother is well readwhen he's saying it.
It makes a lot of sense to putthese principles, these ideas,
into practicality because, asBrother Ron was saying earlier,
when the pandemic hit, itaffected our community really.
That's why we really startedthis organization Project Africa
(15:24):
Restoration, par.
We wanted to start, we wantedto feed the less fortunate
within within our neighborhood.
Right, because I see how itaffected us a lot and you know
from there I went on on thesefarm forums and I see that only
three percent of our peoplereally run farms in the US and
I'm like damn, we are really inbad shape, like yeah, we could
(15:46):
have successful um, entertainers, you know, athletes, rappers
and such, but in reality that'sjust a small monopoly.
That's my, not that's my.
I mean, I'm a monopoly minoritylike the others.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I like that.
Yeah, yeah, that's the rightword too Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
We're caught up in a monopoly, definitely.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You don't know the game.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
To segue on what Brother Mikey was saying.
You know, earlier last week youhad this big news thing going
on about Jay-Z's bid to take thecasino to Times Square or
whatever, and it failed.
And you know the Breakfast Club.
And then you had, you know, awhole bunch of people on the
(16:32):
other side.
Oh, that's racist, man, theyjust hating on them.
Oh man, why they do Jay Like,you know we had all of that back
, but you know, but let me askthis, with all that money, but
let me ask this With all thatmoney, why couldn't you start a
health care facility or a schoolor something that we need?
Because they kept bringing up,community needs this, the
(16:57):
community is fighting and wantsthis.
And I kept asking myself what?
Who is they talking about?
Yeah, ok, my grandma needs togo back to the casino and lose
the check again.
What's happening?
You know it's like who is hetalking about?
We need our own health carefacility because we are clearly
the sickest people physically.
As you were saying, covid was aturning point point.
(17:31):
It highlighted the weakness andvulnerability of our diet, our
exercise programs and plans andour overall health, from our
children up to our elderly.
And we did not recover fromCOVID.
We have not recovered and it'snot COVID the disease, it's
COVID the media and socialinstitution that disabled us.
Stay at home, don't get anymoney, we'll pay your rent,
(17:55):
don't worry about it.
And after COVID, the tidal waveof health care, lack of school,
unpaid rent and debt caught upto us and is hitting us the
hardest.
And we are the only groupnationwide that has not been
given relief.
Ok, let me say that again.
(18:17):
We are the only group that hasnot been given relief.
From Wall Street down toTrailer Park, white man, we are
the only group.
Mexicans got relief, aregetting relief.
There's an unlimited budget Idon't know if you know that, uh,
for their housing, health careand everything else.
We're the ones on the frontline with nothing, just a bill
(18:42):
and that deal well, maybe beeleaves they give us bee leaves
instead of re-leaf.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I like that one.
Oh lord, I like that one yeah,no doubt he said bee leaves
instead of re-leaf exactly,exactly, that's real, you know
as.
Claude Anderson said in hissong.
Dr Claude Anderson said in hissong.
Dr Claude Anderson said youknow, when our people tend to
(19:12):
get a few dollars right, if theylack discipline and the proper
etiquette, that dollar is goingto leave within minutes.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Seconds yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So we know, throughout the pandemic things
were critical for our people,but then some were doing those,
just like other groups weredoing the scam as well the, the
ppp right I wanted to see, itwas part of our relief.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But I said man told me the people got jammed after,
so let me leave that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Exactly it was a relief because you know there
was.
Some had legitimate business.
Many didn't have legitimatebusinesses.
You you know, instead ofactually investing that money
into a business or putting itaside, they were out there
getting rentals, popping bottles, having block parties, and
later on that PPP turned into aproblem for them.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
You understand.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, it's a major problem now.
You know on that subject.
One Saturday I had went to thebank to get a rental check for
one of our clients that neededit.
You know, they were in aneviction type situation.
So I go into the bank, bank ofAmerica.
(20:26):
So I go into the bank Bank ofAmerica, the whole bank, women
(20:48):
and I I didn't even the peoplethat greeted me at the door
couldn't even speak english.
That's how bad it was, you know.
And I don't know if that's bador good.
It's bad if I'm in america andI can't speak english and no one
at the bank understands whatI'm saying.
Uh, the manager, I, who Irecognized, finally came out
from behind the glass and cameup to me and I said man, what is
(21:11):
going on?
I said the guy that greeted meat the door with the little iPad
, he didn't even understand whatI was saying.
He said I know we're processingan influx of the PPP loan
checks today, checks today.
I said all of these old peopleI mean it was like 60 year old,
50 year old, you know, 30, 20year old all these people were
(21:32):
in here getting these checks.
And I said what are theygetting checks for?
He said mainly nail salons and,uh, landscaping services and I
was just in a daze like ma'.
How many hundreds of millionsof dollars is about to walk out
that door?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Well, really.
And then I saw simultaneously Imean, tell me what you saw with
around that time, when COVIDhit Right and the PPP checks it,
you saw a lot of fentanyl onthe street.
That's when it really hit.
Yeah, that's when it really hit.
Yeah, yeah, that's when itreally hit.
And I was like what is thisstuff, you know?
And they were saying nobody hadno money, but everybody had
(22:15):
fentanyl.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh yeah, what people don't realize.
I learned this in LA the nailsalon is the chief importer of
acetone and other chemicals thatyou and I cannot go and buy.
Ok, and those are the chemicalsused in our favorite
concoctions.
You know, from from the hardrock to the sherm to the
(22:39):
fentanyl, stuff relies onchemicals and we saw a union
during COVID with the Chinesenationals and the Mexican
cartels that came together tocreate market transport import
the chemicals and the fentanylinto America.
I heard about that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's what they used to call back then China White.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well, the China White was a heroin.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, it was basically not even real Like not
even real heroin.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's a chemical thing .
It's a heroin that you snort.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, like they told Dorothy, stay away from the
poison poppies, okay.
And they've been putting us tosleep, since you know forever.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So I have a question though.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yes, sir, brother.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
What is the central problem poweronomics seeks to
solve?
Like we have many, but what isthe mean?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think changing our mindset okay To what solution
looks like, or is changing ourmindset to what solution looks
like, or is what, or a strongoutcome of victory is what is
that?
How does?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
that look.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Is that me sitting up with a mortgage payment,
putting three kids throughschool and, you know, washing my
car down in the driveway with awater hose?
In some that is viablefinancially.
You know, with our own, I likethat one Exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
That one sounds right , exactly Right.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, the highest level of success is along the
same lines or paralleling thehighest levels of integration
with white hegemony and control.
Then you have succeeded.
(25:06):
You know, when you can get tothe top and get with Mr Schumer
and you know these other peopleand Mr White and all these guys
at BlackRock.
Now you're at the table, nowyou've become somebody.
But when you have your own,independent of them, that's also
successful.
Maybe not in number wise, butautonomously.
(25:31):
That is the success, and Ithink that's what the book is
really saying.
Hey, look over here, you know,and that timeline is is equally
important because, we'vesurpassed it.
So where are we?
You know, it's just like if youwoke up and you're waiting on
the day of judgment and youdidn't realize the end of the
(25:53):
world already happened and it'sall, that's over with.
Where are you at now?
Because it's sure not happeningright, exactly we're in that
stage where we're trying tofigure out.
Where are we?
You see what I'm saying maybeit's negatory.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Maybe we didn't make purgatory and we got put in
negatory we in negatory alrightthe negatory.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I understand where you're coming from the
powernomics.
He had a lot of highlightedpoints where he said integration
is disintegration, which meansthat that you know you want to
integrate, but then youdisintegrate with your own.
You don't know how to dobusiness with your own people
Right.
And you know I'm going to catchflack for this, but forgive me
(26:42):
if I'm saying this.
We are very iffy when it comesto doing business with one
another.
You understand we have adistrust.
You put any amount of smalldollar between us, you know it
starts to ruffle up feathers.
Dudes feel a certain way.
I'm entitled to this.
You know, as another doctorsaid, that Dr Frazier said we
(27:06):
have business and we havebidness, right.
He said that Dr Frazier said wehave business and we have
business right.
He said that right.
Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Brother Ron be saying this.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Like Brother Ron always say this he's like yo,
you know X, y and Z would showup to work for the so-called man
on time.
When it's time for him to dobusiness on his own time with
his own people, he shows up late.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes, he or she don't care, so exactly like.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Why is that we have etiquette for that.
When it comes to our own, welack the lack, that same
etiquette, that same vigor well,where does that come from?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
it's just that.
It's our value system.
Okay, that has been subvertedfrom looking in the mirror to
look out the window.
All right, what that means isyour money and your time don't
mean as much to me as his moneyand his time.
(28:03):
When he wants me to get to workat 9 am, I am there.
I'm there at 855 because Irealize that that is a value to
him and I'm upholding his value.
But when it's me and you 915,930, 10 o'clock, man, I might as
well call in.
But I'm going to come in andI'm going to do you a favor
(28:27):
anyway, man, and come in today,man, because I know you need
help with the fries, man, andyou know I'm coming.
Hold on for me, man, because Imean, the new George came out
and I got to be at the mall toget them before.
You know, I come after they'regoing to be gone.
That's our mentality.
So it's just a matter of usvaluing someone else's time and
(28:51):
money more than our own.
You know, I don't see the valuein establishing you as an
institution more so thanestablishing him.
Like, for instance, what if CNNhad contacted me today and said
we want to hear about what yougot to say about you know?
X, y, z.
What am I doing?
(29:13):
Hey, y'all.
Hey, man.
Guess what CNN called man?
Yeah, the Caucasian.
Establish a ring it's working.
Call yeah, man.
You understand what I'm saying,right, this is a one-time
opportunity, man.
No CNN can wait.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's about loyalty.
We're not loyal to ourselvesand each other, basically.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We haven't been trained that we are more
valuable.
To have your own is morevaluable.
We have that renter mentalitywhere we rent our stuff and that
money we know is helping himbuy his stuff.
He becomes the owner.
We're perpetual renters and atthe end we get nothing except
(29:58):
the gratification of seeing himhave everything.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So that's.
It's a deep psychological chokethat we're dealing with that
causes us to do this.
You know, I keep kind of whatthey say, defaulting back to
this behavior.
I used to say the white man'sice is colder and his sugar is
sweeter.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yes, it is, and it's something that's born in
colonialism and slavery here inthe United States, more so here
because they perfected theirgame here on us.
And we understood and knownthat we are the test subjects
for global domination.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
We are To add on to that family.
I mean, let's talk about thisreal quick, let's go into this
1865, slavery ended.
Okay, about 1880, some odd inthere.
1889 was the Berlin Conference,meaning that they had mastered
their program on us.
And then, 25 to 30 years later,they said well, let's take it
(30:58):
to this larger group andimplement colonialism.
So that's facts.
When you say where to testsubjects, it shows you right
there, because colonialism isjust a larger version of slavery
.
Yeah, and if you understand thepsychological motivations of a
people, yeah, you can take thatlittle program, a little lab
(31:18):
program, and expand it to awhole continent.
So I just wanted to add on yeah, you right on the spot, johnny
on the spot on that one, sir.
Yeah, you right on the spot,johnny on the spot on that one,
sir, that's real.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So, oh my God, it's like you know, the last show and
this one is putting everythingin proper perspective altogether
.
So to what you were saying, mag.
How does powernomics connect toeconomic and culture?
It adds on to that from likeyou know.
(31:50):
Know how does it to the culture?
Because we know, we feel thatonce I'm successful, there's
nothing wrong.
There's nothing wrong withrewarding yourself and treating
yourself good, right, but wefeel that once we get a certain
amount of dollars, I can't liveamongst my own because those
that don't have it, that aremisfortunate, don't think like
me and I become a target.
So why is it that within ourculture, we feel that once we're
successful, we got to get awayfrom one another.
(32:11):
We feel like we can't deal witheach other, no more.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, I'm going to keep it 100.
And it hurts and I say it hurtsbecause it takes away from our
own personal responsibility butthe criminalization and the mind
(32:34):
control and media control ofthe white people okay, we have
been criminalized.
I'll give you an example.
All right, I grew up in the 80s.
I was at age 16.
I was at the NWA Too ShortPublic Enemy concert with Ice-T,
(32:55):
absolutely, I mean, I was upthere at 16, right, you know?
I'm just saying that to put itin perspective of what I'm
thinking and the time frame.
At that point in time, thehighest level street wear
(33:15):
clothing that you could have wasa Dapper Dan troop suit or Fila
suit or one of those what theycall markups or mashups.
Now, all right, if I said I'mgoing to put together a Nike
(33:36):
outfit and sew it together withleathers and it looks dope and
send my son out to school with,what would happen?
They would laugh.
You got on some homemade Nikestuffike stuff.
Man.
The daddy done put together.
Look at his shoe.
Oh my god, like it looks.
Like I don't care about that.
(33:57):
Look, man, we got our stuff atthe mall.
You got your stuff in some dudein a alley warehouse downtown
off the ground and then the fedscame in and criminalized the
man, arrested him, busted him,you know.
So what I'm saying is, you know,they criminalized us first,
(34:22):
then subconsciously pressed theinferiority complex into our
mindset about us, about our own,when we do our own thing, when
we build our own business, whenwe innovate.
Then now look at the flip sideDapper Dan working for Gucci and
(34:42):
Louis Vuitton right now.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They're calling him for every design that come out.
Check this out, dan.
How do we get at your people?
Because he's a master at it.
So they completely flipped thescript and, like I said again,
I'm going to say it once morewe're too busy looking out the
window as opposed to looking inthe mirror.
He got it going down the streetstreet we don't inside of us,
(35:14):
but he's looking in the mirrorfrom behind us out there.
What he doing now?
What's he doing now?
you see, that's, that's theproblem it's so real, brings
that, brings that to thehighlight and forefront of
gender wise so the agenda right,because I have noticed this
right.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Um, when rappers were coming out with their own
clothing line, I noticed placeslike JCPenney or Kmart would be
the, you know, the places thatsell their clothing and it'll be
middle, it'll be middle America.
Um, white kids buying like therockaways, the fat farms,
whatsoever, right, right, and afew people in the in the hood
(35:56):
will buy their clothing.
But I noticed that it was themthat were picking it up because,
you know, we are a commodity tosell, a lifestyle.
But meanwhile the rappers, asyou mentioned earlier, will be
the ones to go out there and buythe gucci's, the pradas you get
what I'm saying all the italianbrands.
But meanwhile we'd be like I'mnot paying that much for that,
(36:19):
that's too much money, it's thesame price as polo but like I'm
not supporting no jay-z or nosean combs or whoever I'm gonna
go out there and get that.
Ralph Lauren.
You know what I'm saying.
Go to Neiman Martin, whatever,and go blow $3,000 on one
t-shirt.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
He's outside of us, he's an external extension of
you know, of value, and we don'tsee value in ourselves.
So when we see the Sean John,the Rock of Wear, the, this,
that and this and that man,that's cool.
But man, that one man, that'sItalian leather.
You know, I was reading thisarticle and it was some brothers
(37:04):
from Ghana and Nigeria, and itwas some brothers from Ghana and
Nigeria and they wereexpressing how the Italian
designers come and get all oftheir, their leather and take it
to it.
They're the ones and producingthe leather, the raw leather
material that winds up in Italy,that makes those bags, those
(37:26):
shoes and those clothes.
All of that is coming fromAfrica.
But part of the contract is youare not to reveal who you are
selling and how much you'reselling.
This is to be on the under, andwe're just importing or
(37:47):
exporting from you all rawmaterials.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Got you.
There's a comment here fromMiss Alicia Hutton which is very
, very deep.
I mean, yeah, very, very deepcomments.
She said black community andother minority communities have
not been educated on financialassets and employment and
employment ethic Caucasianpersons have been taught through
(38:15):
generations that's true, thatright, that right.
There is very true, yes, it is,and it's coming from my sister
as well.
I like that definitely, sis.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Thank you, um, but let's comment on.
We have been in a fight orflight situation where we're
living from hand to hand, checkto check, mouth to mouth, you
know.
So we are on, have been inthose situations.
Ok, then the other side of thatis we got this large chunk of
(38:42):
money, or such and such isselling dope, and got this type
of money.
You know, there's always thistime, uh compression on our
finances to where, instead oflearning, we're concerned with,
uh, the utilization forimmediate needs and survival, as
(39:03):
opposed to sitting therepondering, organizing and
educating about what we're doingthroughout, you know, and so
that's not an accident.
You know that's not an accident.
But at some point in time,again back to personal
responsibility, and that'sanother thing I was saying
(39:23):
investments.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
We're not talking about investment.
I was saying we were nottalking about investments.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
No, investment is just one aspect of it.
How about spending money?
You?
Know, how about, you know,create products to sell.
Invest in yourself.
The stock market is great andcrypto is great and all that's
great.
Invest in yourself.
What do you have to offer theworld that can make money?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And see there's another part that goes to that.
Okay, because a lot of us havereally good ideas, right, really
good ideas, man.
A lot of us have good productsthat we could bring to the table
.
That's where the white folksget it from.
From us, we have 50,000inventions after slavery.
However, what we do not have isthe operational unity and the
(40:12):
cooperation to bring theseproducts from sketches to an
actual physical product and tocontinue to continually,
consistently put it out andmarket it.
That operational unity.
But realistically, the sad thingis that we're the only group
that does have like a homogenouscommunity here in America.
(40:35):
They say it's not, but it hasto be because they're selling us
all the same things, same food,same clothes, giving us all the
same.
If it wasn't homogenous, it isnow.
So if we could take thathomogenousness that we have all
wearing the same clothes, buyingthe same foods, drinking the
same red red juice y'all knowyou got some red juice over
(40:55):
there somewhere, yeah, okay, yousee, but take that and invest
that in the cooperation you know, into building what brother
malachi is talking about somenew communities that are
civically fit for where we're atright now, and if we take all
this, quite the same effort thatwe take, you know, to go and
(41:17):
buy all this stuff and you know,try to keep up with the Joneses
and buy these Germans.
If we took just the effortitself, okay, the money is the
money.
The money comes when you put awhole bunch of people
cooperatively, collectively,together.
The money will come.
But if you don't have thecooperation, you don't need the
money, because ain't nothinggonna happen with the money.
And I'm feeling like that's,that's one of our achilles heel
(41:38):
man, what you think, brother malI?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I totally agree and you know know, just really
honing back in on Dr Claude'stimeline, you know, those are
over, man.
You know the day where we jumpup on the soapbox and galvanize
the people and we all gathertogether and get the people to
come down.
You know, right now, what weneed to be focused on is
(42:05):
microeconomic sales.
All right, because we arepowerful and, as you know, I
come on this show I think I'vebeen three times but I will
always tell you about your powerand that, globally, you are the
most powerful people on planetearth.
I will never diminish thatcomment.
(42:26):
I won't walk it back.
I won't put any filters on that.
We are the most powerful peopleon planet Earth.
Now, with that being said, fiveof us that are focused and
directed to a strategyeconomically, militarily
(42:53):
socially or otherwise we canaccomplish greatness.
That's a fact.
That's true.
Yeah, all right.
I walk through the streets andthe marketplaces in various
countries throughout the world,particularly in africa.
I see young men and older menwith Jordans on and jerseys and
I approach them and I say youlike Michael Jordan?
(43:15):
And they say who you know.
They don't even know who Jordanis.
They don't know why they havethe shoes on, but they know we
wear it.
They don't they just know ourage.
All right, now, that's in everyculture and society on planet
earth.
All right.
(43:36):
So now, if we build a microcell, uh, to do some economic
work and upliftment for ourpeople, okay, it could be done,
uh, myself, I think, with fivepeople, uh, even less, it was
really just me and my childrenand a couple supporters, brother
(43:58):
Magnetic included, were able toraise over $10 million and
distribute that throughout themetropolitan area of the city of
Seattle to save our people fromhomelessness.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Salute, hold on, gotta salute you guys for that.
That is powerful right there.
Ok, hold on, I got to saluteyou guys for that.
That is powerful.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You know we started out with a lemonade stand with
ideas and conversation againstthe establishment's domination
of our educational and communityresources.
You know which they have astronghold on all over the
country.
You know which they have astronghold on all over the
country.
But just a few people were ableto say, hey, this is an issue
(44:43):
that's important to us, thatwe're not going to let go, and
the hush money and the getawayand the political kickback or
whatever was, let's get themsomething so they can't say
anything else, so we cansuppress that.
So I think that if we have thatmind state, we can kind of
(45:08):
disavow this trust, thisdistrust that we have in black
business and black this and that, and come together in small
sales and then unite those smallsales together to create larger
cells and a network nationally.
I think and know that that canhappen and we can do it.
We have the brain power, wehave the manpower, we have the
intelligence.
What we don't have is theagenda and the directive.
(45:31):
But that's what we have beendeveloping in our think tank.
You know the Rand Foundationhas a think tank the Ford and
Carnival developing in our thinktank.
You know Rand Foundation has athink tank the Ford and Carnival
Foundation have a think tank.
We expand our think tank, unifyit and come together.
You know you can rent a hall ora banquet center or something
(45:53):
to that effect for the repass orfor the wedding reception or
little TT and them birthdayparty.
Okay, let's rent that conventioncenter and bring the Black men
together to save our families,ourselves and our lives in the
community and globally.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
That's real right there.
That would be.
I mean and that's why I loveBrother Malachi, because he's
one of the few brothers I hearpeople talking about this
subject, but I don't hear peoplemoving on black civics, livable
black cities.
How do we do this?
How do we build this?
How do we create thecooperation?
Is it doable?
He's the person that has pushedthe conversation that I saw you
(46:39):
know what I mean and then tookand went to go get the money and
put the money behind the idea.
So now it's in motion andpeople can see yes, this is
something that's real.
However, we need to go pastthis.
You know, rent subsidies to,like the brother said, building
our actual own places in whichwe control, in which we build,
(47:01):
in which we run, in which wemaintain.
That's a great conversation forbrothers like our age to be
having man and then take this toeverywhere where it's needed,
because if we can do it here, wecan do it anywhere.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Exactly A smart sell because this African town
exactly that's right a smart, asmart sell because this african
town I see the importance of whyyou implementing dr claude's
principles in there and you know, um, the black round table is
just basically gettinglike-minded individuals right,
not seeking that validation fromthe outside, but just looking
(47:34):
within, knowing that we have themight, we have the will I mean
the outside, but just lookingwithin, knowing that we have the
might, we have the will I meanthe power but we just need that
will to overcome these things.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And then I just want to ask, you know, so far as
validation, yes, there's a lotof us that continuously look for
mainstream validation.
Where are those people that arevalidated?
Where are they?
I think the height, the biggestone, was Barack Obama, you know
(48:08):
, and everybody was.
I mean, I don't want to be likethe hater dude, you know, or
the naysayer guy, but I've beentelling people about the man you
know coming from theMidwestwest chicago, missouri,
all of this coming from there.
I've been telling them like thepeople on the grassroots level
knew, hey, this ain't the, itain't the business, nah, but now
(48:28):
you know, yeah, okay, so he, hehad the highest level of
mainstream validation as aso-called black man, if you
accept that premise of hisidentity, because he's safe.
Right, but at this point in time, it's totally collapsed.
Yeah, okay, it has totallycollapsed.
(48:49):
He had him, will Smith, jay-zall of them in the same shoe and
bucket.
You know what I'm saying?
And everybody's looking at themlike man, bro, what's?
Speaker 3 (49:03):
the deal yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
It was just showing.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Where's the?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
money at yeah.
And now look at you.
You played yourself.
You have no credibility with usand that was shown during the
Kamala fiasco.
You know he came to degrade andtalk crazy to black people and
it was like man you don't evenhave, you can't even step on
even register.
You can't step on.
(49:27):
Your opinion is worthless.
So this is the way of beingvalidated by the white man when
you finish your usefulness tothem, they pull that rug out
from under you and that goldencarriage turns into a pumpkin.
And sorry, cinderella, take ithome.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
And the high heel turned into a converse.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, hit the ground and start turning
them deals that you was doing inthe alley before we met you so
valid like that.
I don't want to be valid likethat.
No, turn my switch off.
Our about.
Our validity, like malcolmmatch, is eternal.
(50:13):
Our validity stands the test oftime and continues to inspire,
above and beyond whatevercredibility they could ever lend
us.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Say that.
In fact, I think you know I wasin college one time.
Okay, this was like late, I'dsay late 90s, going into 2000,.
Okay, we had a lot of exchangestudents and they asked them.
They said why do you come here?
They asked all of them?
We had some.
There was some China, we hadsome of them from Europe, some
of them from all over differentparts.
They said who do you reallygravitate towards?
(50:46):
They said man, only the blackrappers.
They said not the politiciansor anybody.
They named all these whitepeople.
They no, we don't like them, welike motel oh, he froze, let's
see he goes yeah, he froze upbefore.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Before we go, I want to ask one of like two questions
like this is.
This is pertaining to, like theum, the africatown.
Okay, what industry should ask?
What industry?
What industry does andersonsuggest?
You know when?
Speaker 3 (51:22):
we're talking about, oh, when we're talking about the
, you know, america's image.
Yeah, there's some white peoplein there, but the people they
think of most.
This most prominent dominant isus, period, you know.
And we, as far as the worldtrends like you said, brother
Mal, we're the creator of worldtrends.
Other people try to make themand do their best and they put a
(51:43):
lot of money behind them.
We wake up in the morning andstart a world trend.
You're saying this is a timewhen we can use this influence,
take it from out of the bullshit, rap stuff, the parenting white
culture, and invest it intoourselves and makes we.
There has to be a new model forliving for the future, and only
(52:06):
black people can create it,because we gave america its
first model and the world isfirst model for living has to be
updated, though, andreorganized according to what's
going on right now, and we cando it, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
That's true.
It's self-love, Self-love andunity.
Trust me, I'm not saying wemonolithic, but if we had
understanding, compassion andlove for one another we would
shift things, it would In theblink of an eye.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
I know to some it may sound like a utopia.
It has never happen.
It has to happen and we have todo a lot of cleaning within our
own backyard to get that going.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Thanks Everyone will make it, unfortunately.
I think that the key to it iseconomics and it's found in
power economics.
You know, right wingnationalists.
I'm not even going to give hisname, you know, just the light
(53:08):
of day, but he made a commenthey, the reason that the inner
cities are in turmoil and thisand that is going on is because
of lack of the, the father inthe in the households of these
people.
Okay, and I, I, I detract fromthat and and I reject it and I
say this you can have a fatherin the household, Like many of
(53:31):
us they grew up, did, but if thefather is ineffective because
of his economic status andtherefore viewed as a lowly
individual in the household andin the community Because it
didn't matter, how many wouldhave had the father and the
(53:53):
father in the court with the son, you know, and the son going to
jail.
I've been there for him, youknow.
We hear that story too manytimes.
So, economically, the man hasto be a figure of support and
innovation economically to berespected by the youth and the
(54:14):
community at large by the youthand the community at large and
they have hamstrung us and wehave played into that and
neglected to fight back properly, which has created the
situation where the youthdisrespect the household, the
youth disrespect the communitybecause it's not theirs and it
will never be theirs with thepathway of economic downfall
(54:35):
that we see.
So how will they ever winunless they shoot it up and slam
some stuff and take it from you?
So that is the reason.
But as long as we can make itsome social slave issue kids
that got stole down the riverand then the investor in them
came back but he can't see hissons in them and now they went
(54:56):
crazy as long as we can keepthat narrative going, we take
the economic chip off the tableand we revert into some you know
, a situation where we haveineffective policies, approaches
and leadership in how to solvethese problems.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
Beautiful.
That's real right there, yes,sir.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
I would just say, you know, I'm really glad we're
here continuing thisconversation about livable black
cities, because I've heardconsultants, I've heard
politicians, I've heardso-called leaders address this
subject.
However, the only people thatare really going to sincerely be
able to address it and dealwith it are the people who it's
(55:46):
basically us, you know, thepeople who have walked through
this and lived in this and seenall angles of it and looking at
it from inside out and outside,in perspective, to know what
works, what has worked and whathas not worked, you know, and
then taking what has worked andmultiplying it.
Multiplying, okay, us, us, us,here, we, we, you know we.
(56:10):
We pretty much share the sameideals.
You know what I mean.
Um, I've seen a lot of littlebitty projects grow into big
projects.
Okay, little bitty projectsgrow into big, big projects, man
, and things that people thoughtcould never grow that big.
Seattle university started withone house.
(56:31):
University of Washingtonstarted with about four or five
houses and somebody donated andnow it's almost a huge portion
of the city, seattle Universityas well.
But what it takes iscooperation and consistency,
continually stacking bricks.
Even if it's just one brick aday, that's still a brick that
(56:53):
counts.
And the cooperation and thecommitment.
Commitment, it goes a long way,and that's what we're bringing
to you here with africatown isso you can plug into an
infrastructure of somethingthat's going into the future.
That's not some fly by night,something that pops up and then
disappears, because we've dealtwith a lot of that, we've seen a
(57:13):
lot of that, you know, and wewant people to be able to plug
into something that says, hey,we have, we have sustainability,
as far as I would say what Icall civic utility okay, meaning
that you don't just build anapartment for people.
You got to have the school, yougot to have the hospital, you
got to have the supermarket, youhave to have the amenities to
(57:33):
make it a livable black city.
And that's what we're talkingabout.
We're not just talking aboutone business, one apartment, one
health center for one family.
No, that ain't it.
That's not a whole discussionor that's not the whole answer.
So you know that's right.
(57:54):
And let me just add.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
I know we're closing but we have to remember and
always enforce in all of ourcircles.
You've got United States, GreatBritain, France, Russia, China
and every other nation thatcalls themselves a power, a
superpower or anything inbetween.
Their whole focus ismaintaining relationships with
(58:18):
Africa so that they can stillstay in power.
If we are to constitute a nation, as we have been calling
ourselves for the past hundredyears, if we constitute a nation
, we too also must join thatstruggle of creating economic
ties and back and forth flowbetween here and the continent.
(58:41):
We have a fact.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's a fact.
Thanks, oh my God bro.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
That's the Morris tradition right there.
Trade and commerce, yes, sir,you have to have, you have to
look at the word market to have.
In fact, if you look at theword market, we know it was more
kits.
So without the more, no market,we took the products abroad.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
The whole world came there to buy, sell and trade,
but mostly to buy.
And just so you understand, thefirst to recognize the United
States of America in theircorporate status after the
British embargo.
That said, no one shall buy theMediterranean and back with
(59:29):
goods, cotton specifically andservices.
This was the basis for a lot ofthe original maritime law for
(59:52):
the American corporation.
Just look it up.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
How can they get in contact, how can people go about
finding information aboutAfricantown and how can they
contribute, get involved?
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Okay, Well, the topic is pretty broad, meaning there
are many Africantowns.
The biggest one is in China,actually meaning the most people
engaged in the commerce andtravel and this and this and
that as far as what we're doinghere in Seattle, west Africa and
(01:00:28):
other places throughout thecountry.
Just contact me or contact infoat Africatowninternationalorg.
There's a website.
It's under development.
We're just rehashing it so itshould be up and running
sometime next month.
But info here I'll put it inthe chat for anyone and from
(01:00:48):
that situation.
All inquiries can be met on apersonal level, not some, you
know, behind the veil typesituation, some you know behind
the veil type situation.
Uh, because I think I know whatwe're going to have to do in
the next few months is organizethe thought process that is
(01:01:09):
going to give us our own socialservice network, uh, throughout
the world.
Okay, because there is no moremoney for us and there's a
hostile nature and attitude fromthe people that we were relying
on Social Security, food stamps, section 8, all of that let's
(01:01:30):
get rid of it.
Let's do it ourselves.
We can do better.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
We can do better.
I said that we can do itourselves, man.
If we could do it ourselves, wewouldn't have to worry about
who's going to be sitting in thepolitical seat.
Yeah, you got to deal with yourlocal politics, but it wouldn't
affect you as much if you hadmoney circulating.
Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
No, it wouldn't.
When you travel the world andyou see all these other
countries with free housing andfree health care, and then you
come back to the so-called raceon earth and man, I can't even
go get a bandaid if I don't havehealth insurance.
You know, I went to the doctorthe other week.
I go, your health coverageexpired.
I was like I took my money.
No, it was like, yeah, but thatwas for that plan and this plan
(01:02:09):
, and you got to go to plan Band G.
You know, I couldn't believe it.
Believe it, but this is thereality for us no healthcare, no
housing, no economicintegration into their systems
and finally, what else is leftbesides prison and death?
(01:02:31):
That's the inheritance thatwe're trying to hand off to our
youth.
We've got to do better.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Definitely, definitely.
That being said, my people, Iappreciate y'all for coming out
Right on bro.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
And Brother Mal is definitely going to be a part of
our regular Black Roundtablediscussion.
You know, and I just want tosay I appreciate you seeing you
again, brother Mikey.
It's been a while since I'veseen you, brother.
Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Been a minute, but you're still in there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I appreciate you, man , and honestly, we would love to
bring Africatown man as anentity to New York.
So let's have that conversationas well, because I know there's
some people who need servicesOkay.
Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
We'll be up there and we'll get you connected, let's
do it.
Indeed, my up there, and we'llmake the connection.
Let's do it.
Indeed my brother.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Peace Alright peace brother, Peace family Be out.
Alright nice to see you, Mike,Likewise my brother.
Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Yes, sir.
Thank you, brother man.
Thank you brother Mike Peace.
You're welcome, brother, Thankyou.
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