August 20, 2024 • 62 mins
Unlock the secrets of holistic medicine with Dr. Bishara Wilson, a seasoned acupuncturist whose journey spans continents and centuries-old traditions. You’ll be captivated by his story, from growing up in Brooklyn influenced by a plant-based lifestyle and the book "Back to Eden," to extensive studies and spiritual initiation in places like China, Tibet, and West Africa. Dr. Wilson's unique path led him to specialize in sports medicine acupuncture, and he now runs New York Sports Acupuncture with his talented wife. Their practice is a testament to the healing powers of traditional oriental medicine.
Discover how holistic medicine goes beyond treating symptoms to address the root causes of health issues. Dr. Wilson explains the significance of a detailed initial evaluation and how it connects to the body's 12 meridians. Learn how he integrates herbal remedies, specific foods, and lifestyle practices such as qigong and meditation to support overall well-being. By understanding the relationship between the five elements—wood, fire, earth, metal, and water—and their connection to organs and nature, you'll gain valuable insights into maintaining your health and taking personal responsibility for it.
This episode also explores the profound connection between physical and emotional health. Dr. Wilson shares fascinating insights on how disturbances in energy or "shin" manifest in our spirit, behaviors, and even our voices. He delves into treating chronic pain with acupuncture, enhanced by herbal remedies for sustained relief. You'll also learn about the intricate relationship between meridians and fascia, likened to Spider-Man's dynamic web, and how holistic meditation practices can fortify your bioelectric field and overall wellness. Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to enrich your understanding of health and t
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's going on everybody?
It's Ron Brown, lmt, thePeople's Fitness Professional.
I just want to say before weget started LMT does not mean
limited, it means licensedmassage therapist, which we're
going to go into today's episodeon fitness and health and we
have Dr Peshari.
And the reason why I'm sayingI'm talking about the LMT is
(00:24):
because that's where I saw thedoc at Pacific Pacific College
Hold on Pacific College ofOriental Medicine, that's where
I got my massage license andthat's where, I believe, you got
your acupuncture license, youracupuncture license.
Okay, so tell us a little bitabout yourself, like your
(00:45):
history, where are you from andyour journey, and how did you
get into acupuncture?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
All right, peace everyone.
I'm Dr Beshara Wilson, again,born and raised in Brooklyn East
, new York, to be specific, andmy journey.
I was first introduced tohealth, really my first intro I
remember seeing like the bookBack to Eden at my family's
house down south my family'sfrom the south South Carolina,
(01:11):
georgia, everybody's familyseemed like they used to have
Back to Eden classic book.
And then in the 80s my mothertaking a lot of vitamins, you
know a lot of us introducedthrough um, um, was it dick
gregory, bahamian diet, I don'tremember that, the bahamian diet
, they had the powder back theneverybody was taking that and my
(01:33):
mother's taking a lot ofvitamins, shackley.
And then in the 90s, um, motherbecame more plant-based and
having different books aroundthe house Queen of Fools, heal
Thyself, dr Africa's, africanHolistic Health, a couple of
other books like that.
Then when I got to college,undergrad began more on my own
spiritual journey, metaphysicaljourney, began studying health
(01:57):
and herbs and world religion andall of those different types of
things got into, likemeditation, taoist meditation,
and after the, when I graduated,I had a big old fro.
You know, got the baldy now buthad a big old fro and I was
like you know, I didn't want tocontinue on my undergrad degree.
(02:17):
It was in African-Americanstudies.
I didn't want to teach, Ididn't want to go corporate.
I was definitely interested instudying holistic medicine and
right after I graduated I hadwell.
When I was still in school Iwrote a short book called Good
Health and Wellbeing for AfricanAmericans that was the title of
it as part of my senior projectfor my undergrad degree in
(02:41):
African American studies andthat kind of really opened me up
even more to the field, doingresearch, and really saw that
that was something that I wantedto pursue.
Moving forward, when I got backto New York, got back to
Brooklyn from college, I reallywent to seek out Queen of Four
because her book was one of thebooks that I had referenced in
(03:04):
the book that I had referencedin the book that I wrote when I
was in college.
And also, dr Africa wasactually able to get him on the
phone, bless his spirit.
And Queen of Four actuallycharged me.
She charged, said whatever infoyou get, go out and get that
info and bring it back to thepeople.
And so, doing my research, Ifound a couple of schools.
(03:26):
I found what was the PacificInstitute of Oriental Medicine,
then went on a tour there and Isaw the herbal pharmacy, because
my main thing that I wasinterested in was herbs.
And so I saw the pharmacy.
It was a big room, all fourwalls, lined from the floor to
(03:48):
the ceiling, which shells ofherbs had to be a couple hundred
different herbs in there.
And I was like yo, I want to dothis, but I don't want to do
all of that acupuncture and allthat other stuff, I just want to
do herbs, and they were likewell, it's a master's level
program.
We don't just teach the herbsby itself.
And I kind of meditated on it,prayed on it, went for it.
(04:10):
A couple of weeks later I wasin the school.
While I was in school, had achance to visit China and Tibet.
We could talk about all of that.
I was initiated into theLongmun, which is the dragon
gate sect of the Tao, by abreatharian monk out in China.
While I was in school too, hada chance to travel to Senegal
(04:30):
and Gambia, studied with somefolks out there briefly in Ghana
and, you know, finished schoolback in 2002.
With my master's in traditionaloriental medicine at the time,
pacific Institute became thePacific College of Oriental
Medicine once they wereofficially given the New York
(04:54):
State and national recognitionfor offering the master's
2002-2003.
Later on, took some morecontinuing education classes in
specialized sports medicineacupuncture, which is what I do
(05:18):
now.
Later on, back in 2017-2018,went back and completed my
doctoral studies in acupunctureand Chinese medicine.
And here we are today.
My wife actually during thattime met my wife, dr Danette
Bean.
She's also a doctor ofacupuncture and Chinese medicine
.
So it's a whole family thingand, yeah, we got the power
couple going on and I'm out heretaking care of folks and right
(05:40):
now I have my private practice,new York sports acupuncture,
here in Bed-Stuy.
I like the Bed-Stuy, bushwickBorder, marcus Garvey Boulevard,
7 Marcus Garvey Boulevard,right around the corner from
Woodhull Hospital.
So I'm still here and you know,taking care of folks good folks
like you over the years, bigbro and you know we're here.
(06:02):
It's a pleasure.
Thanks for having me on theshow.
No problem, man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
No problem, big bro, and you know we're here.
It's a pleasure.
Thanks for having me on theshow.
No problem, man, no problem.
So what was funny about?
I don't know when I met youexactly right.
I just remember you seeing youin passing, like you were just
coming by the school.
I guess you were done alreadywith the school so, and I
(06:25):
graduated around 2016, 15, oneof those.
Now, what were you doing whereyou?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
you were coming back just to see people, or Well, my
wife, she was actually teachinglike the gynecological some like
gynecology, women's healthclasses at PECOM, pacific
College.
Born into medicine, and at thetime she was pregnant with our
son and so with her maternityleave, I actually subbed in and
(06:58):
was teaching her classes forlike a semester or a couple of
weeks, however long it was.
And then I think there was theBlack Student Union I forgot
what it was called at PacificCollege and I would come in
sometimes and, just, you know,speak to y'all on some almost
like elder statesmen, rightthat's what it was.
Yeah, give me some info onwhatever and just speak to the
(07:19):
brothers and sisters who were,who were studying at the time.
So that's where I probably metyou.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think I met you in passing and giving advice or
something like that.
I was saying hi, but what Ithink would happen was that we
were already following eachother on Facebook, probably
because, just like you said,queen of four and all of that.
So you know, you know, as partof the, as far as the conscious
(07:48):
community, I think we crosspaths in both, both worlds.
You know, and that and that way.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So now, if you can explain to the people exactly
what is traditional Chinesemedicine and how is it helpful
for the human body, so when youlook at like just to kind of get
into the politics of it all,traditional Chinese medicine is
(08:17):
more of like the modernpost-Chinese revolution, mao
Zedong, chinese Revolution, maoZedong where they actually, in
their own culture, with theirrevolution, when they were
taking on communism, they werereally getting rid of a lot of
their own culture around it interms of the shamanistic aspect,
(08:41):
but the acupuncture is soeffective that they kept it.
And so when I think about it,you know you can look at it as
called like East Asian medicine,or even going deeper, to call
it like Taoist medicine.
And so traditional Chinesemedicine, as is, you know,
commonly called we'll just usethat for now it's a whole system
(09:02):
where you talk about thebalance of yin and yang or yin
and yang, the five elements ofwood, fire, earth, metal and
water, how they relate to thedifferent organ systems of the
body the liver, the heart, thespleen, the lungs, the kidneys,
pericardium and their pairedorgans with the gallbladder and
(09:26):
the small intestine and thestomach, the large intestine,
the urinary bladder and anotherthing we call the triple warmer,
and how all of that relates tothe health.
So generally, if someone comesin for evaluation, we go through
a whole system of questions.
(09:47):
So someone will come in usuallywith a chief complaint, and you
don't have to be sick to get it.
But usually, like the way thatwe're trained to do medicine
from like a Western standpoint,most people go to the doctor
after they're already sick, andso people come in with their
chief complaint.
We're asking you know whatmakes it better, what makes it
worse?
How did it start?
(10:07):
How long did it do you have it?
And then we also relate it toall of your other systems of
your body, whether we're lookingat your sleeping, your
digestion, your elimination, thequality of your.
You know your energy, your bodytemperature, headache, you
temperature from head to toe,and so an initial evaluation can
(10:29):
take, before we even touchsomebody, an hour, hour and a
half, two hours, getting intothe family history and all of
that.
And so, with asking all ofthose questions, then we'll look
at someone's tongue and taketheir pulse and we can go into
some of that too.
Which, all of those questions?
Then we'll look at someone'stongue and take their pulse and
we can go into some of that too,which all of that combined
(10:49):
forms a picture of your healthand it gives a picture of your
body constitution and from therewe can form a specific
diagnosis related to the chiefcomplaint and looking at the
root cause and what organ systemis related to.
From there we create atreatment plan, and that
treatment plan can includeacupuncture with other
(11:12):
modalities like electricstimulation, heat cupping,
moxibustion, another thingcalled gua sha, herbal medicine,
diet therapy, lifestyle qigong,and all of these things work
together holistically to bringyour body back to balance.
(11:35):
One great thing about thismedicine is that it's a system
and so everything is related.
Like I spoke about thedifferent organs, and so the
different organs also relatewith acupuncture to what we call
the 12 meridians.
To go through those again, it'sthe lungs, the large intestine,
stomach, spleen, heart, smallintestine, so on and so forth.
(11:58):
It's 12 of them and each ofthose have their own diagnosis,
and so we would use theacupuncture to affect, to use,
you know, the needles to affectthe different meridians.
Those 12 organ systems alsorelate to herbal medicine.
So with the herbs, each of thedifferent herbs, every single
(12:19):
herb also goes to a specificmeridian.
Each of the herbs have a taste,a temperature, a function of
why we use it and an indicationReal, briefly, to explain that.
So there's some herbs that sayhelp with the blood circulation,
but the indication may be helpwith blood circulation to the
heart for like, say like quoteunquote heart disease.
(12:42):
Or for a woman to help with thecirculation to the womb for
menstrual issues.
Different herbs, even thoughthey both circulate the blood
circulation and so they'redifferent.
Like I say, each of the herbs,each of the meridians, the
acupuncture meridians I'm sorry,each of the organs with the
(13:03):
meridians have a specificrelations to the herbs.
Each of the foods also go todifferent meridians.
So, say, someone has a weaknessin their lungs.
There are acupuncture pointsthat we do to help to strengthen
the lungs.
There are specific herbs thatgo to the lungs.
There's specific foods that goto the lungs.
(13:26):
There are other lifestylethings to do in terms of
visualization and meditation forthe lungs.
There are qigong exercises forthe lungs, and then you can even
add other nutritionalsupplements from, like, a
Western standpoint to get awhole thing, western standpoint
(13:47):
to get a whole thing.
And so if I'm doing acupunctureto open the lungs, and then when
those the lung meridian orlarge intestine meridian or
whatever is open and you'retaking the herbs, you're taking
the foods, you're doing thelifestyle, you're meditating on
the color white, which is the,which is the color.
There's a sound for the lungs.
You do all of these thingstogether to make it a whole
lifestyle and get a wholepicture of health.
And one of the things that youmay pick up as I'm talking about
(14:10):
this is the difference betweenthis and Western medicine is
that you know you come in for me, I may provide professional
services, but the responsibilityultimately is on you to do all
of the holistic things tomaintain your health and your
body and your spirit, becauseit's you Right Versus.
(14:32):
You go to the medical doctorand be like, hey, give me a pill
to help me with whatever.
And then people go on, don'tchange their lifestyle and don't
want, and then wonder why theydon't get better a lifestyle and
then wonder why they don't getbetter, right, correct.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Now as far as the 12 meridians, which are basically
the organs attached to theorgans, the origin of these
meridians come from the organs,right, yes, okay.
Now when we're talking aboutfire uh air.
(15:14):
What'd you say?
Um, it's wood fire, wood, woodfire, air earth metal, metal.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
They don't do.
They don't do air that would berelated to, like the metal
element.
So the metal element is thelungs, which in other systems
might be air, but we don'tdiscuss, like we don't use like
the air element in the system ofmedicine.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Okay, so can you give me an example of how those
elements connect to the organs,the 12 meridians?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Okay.
So when we look at the, theelements, the elements are from
like a universal nature.
You know we talk about.
You have the great unificationof everything in the universe
and then that split into theduality of yin and yang male and
female and then that furthersplits into three, and then
(16:02):
those three split into five,which become the five elements
of wood, fire, earth, metal andwater, and those elements relate
to everything in nature.
So you have, like those fivecategories.
So with those elements, theyrelate to not only the organs to
get you know, I'll get to yourquestion but it also relates to
(16:22):
the planet.
So we say, like in the seasonsof the year, so say, right now
we're in the summer.
The summer, this is the fireelement.
The fire element rules theheart and the small intestine.
The planet, for the fireelement is the planet Mars, and
then, if we really want to getmetaphysical, it relates to,
(16:44):
like the forehead, the chest,and so with this season of the
year, we would to be in tunewith nature.
We would, one eat the foods andthe herbs that grow naturally
during this time, which is theeasiest way to do that is just
go to the farmer's market, andthen there are specific herbs,
(17:04):
specific foods that strengthenthe heart and the small
intestine, and so we would wantto eat those foods that go to
the heart and the smallintestine, to be in tune with
the season and the element thatrules the season, which is the
fire element.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right.
Can you give me an example ofthe foods?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Some of the foods that the fire element just a lot
of your red foods like beetsare going to be great for like
the heart.
This season too, we have a lotof berries that grow during the
season, and then you know justfoods that in season, like right
now, your zucchini and yellowsquash are in season, different
(17:51):
greens are in season I'm tryingto remember the ones exactly
that are in season but, yeah,especially something like beets,
like I say, a lot of those redfoods.
And then, when we're dealingwith the red foods, we're
dealing with, you know,watermelon, all of your melons,
like this is a hot time of theyear and so you know, watermelon
(18:13):
, which also has that fleshy redcolor, is going to be great for
the heart.
It's also cooling this seasonof the year.
We want to do more coolingfoods like even like your mint
even though we'll look at thatmore as like a liver type of
herb but foods that are going tonaturally work to cool us down.
But now we're moving into theautumn season and so we want to
(18:34):
start looking at taking more ofthe fresh ginger.
Like it was a little bit coolertoday here in the city, here in
New York City, it was a littlebit cooler today, and so we want
to start moving away from thosecolder, cooler foods into more
warming foods like the gingerand things like that.
And I would also suggest thatpeople look up foods that are
(18:57):
good for the heart or whateverregion that you live in, because
you know this is a uminternational show what foods
grow naturally where you live,like we're here in the city down
south.
There's certain foods that growdown there.
They got the muscadine grapesand the um scampanar grapes that
grow um this time of this, thistime of the year down south.
(19:18):
We got them up here but they'resent from georgia.
You know we pick them um thatseason of the year and then then
in the wintertime you don'twant to be doing stuff like
watermelon, because that's goingto cool the body and actually
be going against nature to bedoing those things.
And even like this season ofthe year where it's hot out, you
don't want to be eating greasyfoods, heavy foods, fries.
(19:43):
You're sitting out in 90 degreeup weather eating a burger and
fries.
You, you're suffering out there, so cooking yourself right,
exactly, so now going intoautumn?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
um, so now we spoke about the summer and how it's
connected to the heart.
Now going into autumn, whatorgan would be connected to
autumn?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So the autumn is the metal element, which are the
lungs and the large intestine.
When we're looking at thetemperature, like each of the
different seasons have atemperature where, like the
summer, is literally hot and dry, it's hot and it's hot, and
then, once we get to the autumn,it's cool and dry.
(20:30):
And so when we get to theautumn, you wanna be taking more
foods that help to nourish thelungs.
That's where your, likeastragalus comes in, codonopsis,
american ginseng.
It's starting to get cooler.
So sometimes that wind, you knowyou can go outside, you can get
(20:54):
caught slipping out there andthat wind gets up in the neck
and next year, you know, folkswake up with a stiff neck and
body aches, losing their voice,catching colds and things like
that.
Some of the things we want todo in the autumn are, like I say
, drinking warmer foods, likeyour fresh ginger tea.
I would suggest just keeping apot of that on the stove Fresh
(21:14):
ginger, cut up a couple slices,boil that down.
You drink that.
It's going to cause you to havea light sweat, even drinking
green tea, anything that's goingto make you just have a light
sweat, which helps to open upyour pores to let out that wind
when we get inside.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Now, now back to the, the elements in the organs.
You spoke about the heart, andand the heart is connected to
fire.
Yes, okay, now you mentionedthe lungs for autumn, which is
connected to the lungs.
(21:52):
It's connected to iron.
Did you say Metal, wood, metalelement, Iron, iron, iron, metal
or iron?
Okay, now, so let's continue togo through the seasons.
So now, in winter, that'sconnected to what?
What organ and what, whatelement?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
That's the water element and the kidneys and the
urinary bladder.
And I'm saying two organsbecause you have, like what we
see is the yin organ and theyang or the yang organ.
So the yin organ is the kidneys, which is like your strong
organ, and then the urinarybladder is like a bag, it's a
(22:34):
hollow organ.
So when we look at all of theorgans, the yin organs are
always like a more solid organand as paired yang organ.
Actually they just store andbriefly and get things going.
So, like the heart is like asolid organ and it's yang paired
organ is the small intestine.
We know food passes throughthere, the whole nutrition and
(22:56):
thing that goes with one.
With that, the lungs is likethe vital organ of the um, the
vital organ of the um, the, andthe hollow organ we say, is the
large intestine.
For the wintertime it's thewater element, the solid organ
is the kidneys and the holloworgan is the urinary bladder.
(23:17):
For the spring is the woodelement.
The solid organ is the liver,is the wood element, the solid
organ is the liver and itspaired organ is the gallbladder.
And then we say either theIndian summer, which is the time
I guess we're in now, or how Ilike to look at it, the period
(23:43):
of transition between seasons.
Everything returns back toearth, which is the spleen,
which is like the spleen and thepancreas we would say from like
a Western mindset and thispaired organ is the stomach.
And when I'm speaking about theorgans, I'm not necessarily just
speaking about it from like aWestern medicine, anatomical and
physiological, some of thatdoes have to play.
(24:04):
But when we look at things fromlike an Eastern medicine,
eastern, east Asian standpoint,there's a whole metaphysical
aspect to the organs in relationto aspects of the spirit,
personality, seasons, flavors,taste, temperature, planets,
(24:24):
directions all of the differentphenomenon relate to that
element and therefore affectthat organ also.
So we can take things from likea physical organ level and then
from a metaphysical standpointto where it goes down to the
denser level to affect theorgans.
And so, yeah, I'll leave thatthere.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Gotcha, gotcha.
So now, one thing I rememberabout the heart is the shin, and
you can see that through theeyes.
So explain that, explain thatconnection through the eyes.
So explain that explain thatconnection.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
When we talk about the shin and the heart, we say
the heart one of themetaphysical aspects of the
organs.
The heart is the emperor andthe heart carries the shin.
The shin is the aspect of thespirit that connects us to like
our higher self.
And when someone, we say theirshin or their spirit, is
(25:26):
disturbed, that's when folks areliterally kind of like losing
their mind.
And when you can see it insomeone's eyes.
If someone has like a crazedlook in their eyes or hollow
looking, you can.
It's like that vibe when yousee someone you like.
Yesterday, for example, I'mdriving back to the office and
I'm at the light and I'm lookingand this dude, he looking all
crazy and you know my spideysenses turn up and you know he
(25:49):
looking around and he pulled, hegot the gun, he pulling the
hammer out his pocket.
You know, at whatever his quote, unquote ops, I don't know what
it was, he never fully took itout, but I saw the handle.
But I first saw in his eyes hisshin looked disturbed.
You know he had that look that.
You know like he was, was thatgrimy, ready to get it looked.
And so, being from you knowwhere I'm from, I saw it and,
(26:10):
sure enough, um, he had, youknow, he had the hammer, and so,
um, nothing, nothing jumped off.
Give thanks for that, um, butit's the same thing with a
client you can see the change inthe eyes, even for elder, as
someone is kind of sick, um, orjust in general, not even the
elder, if someone's sick, youcan look and see and that their
(26:36):
shin is either disturbed ortheir shin is weak, and that's
their overall overall spirit,your overall way of being, and
so, um, and there's differentlevels to that, but yeah, but
that would be like the emperorthat connects us to our greater
purpose and even the universe ona certain level okay now.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So we're talking about the heart and how it
manifests, where you canvisually see it.
Now, what about going into theautumn?
We spoke about iron and wespoke about the lungs.
How would that manifest?
Through heavy breathing.
I've also, you know, uh, goingthrough, uh, pacific college.
You know they were talkingabout people who talk with, like
(27:15):
you know, like, talk certain, acertain way.
You can tell that they'redealing with some kind of
depression and yada, yada.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So can you go in, go into detail with that, explain
that yeah, even as part of likeI was speaking on earlier with
the questions and with diagnosisand things like that, part of
it is the quality of their shinand their voice.
Like some people, if they'reweak and you're tired, you know
(27:49):
they're kind of speaking likethis, or because their energy is
so low, they can't even projecttheir voice.
And then, as they're gettingbetter, you see someone getting
better and they're just morelively, not even hype, but you
can actually see when someonelike you see somebody even like,
almost like that, that shine,that swagger that somebody have,
you know you get a new haircut.
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It's a, it adds something tothe shin and so even with I mean
, I can go somewhere else withit, but it's almost like when
someone like a higher level ofself-respect, will you go and
get your hair cut?
You might get some new gear,you might, whatever it is, and
that's going to show up in thespirit.
And we can nourish the shinwith herbs, with foods, as
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somebody is feeling better andtheir chi is flowing through,
whatever from acupuncture, herbs, the whole holistic cadre of
modalities that we use, whetherin this medicine, whatever it is
, dance, yoga, qigong, running,whatever it is, dance, yoga,
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qigong, running, whatever it is,whatever it is that helps to
lift your overall spirit that wehave to us, and when that shin
is gone, that's when we expiredand that's it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Right, okay, so when we're talking about lungs, when
we're talking about lungs, howwould that manifest?
Like if you wanted to, if you,can you hear a person's voice
and kind of tell Anything, likecan you examine anything from a?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
person's voice.
You know, yeah, like I'm not astight on that.
You know, even with differentsounds of the organs, where
someone may have like a ringyvoice, but you can even hear in
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someone's voice when they have,you know, phlegm or mucus is
going to show through the voiceand in different ways.
And so, yeah, with, like, theliver, the liver deals with, you
know, anger, so someone's tightand they always tight and
things like that.
And there's certain words thatpeople used to use like you got
a lot of heart, or you got a lotof gall, which is the
gallbladder.
You know liverish, you know, soI put the battery in their back
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which deals with the energy ofthe kidney.
You got balls, you know braveryand all of that sort of thing.
So a lot of these terms that weuse, I can't stomach that.
A lot of these terms that weuse, you know, speaking from the
gut and things like that,actually relate to the energy of
those organs and that's how, atone point, they were part of
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the lexicon, where they actuallyit's a saying, but the saying
actually has some credencebehind it in what it is.
And so with the lungs, we'relooking at the lung chi, which
is your vital energy.
So if the chi of the lungs islow, that's when someone would
be speaking kind of low andalmost having like labor or you
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know labored breathing and it'sjust difficult to get the words
out because their lung energy islow and things like that
because they literally justdon't have the energy to project
themselves.
They have to store their energybecause they're so tired from
whatever.
And one of the things you know,with COVID, for example, we
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know COVID affected folks withthe lungs and it also affected
people's digestion.
A lot of people lost theirappetite and when you look at
the coronavirus virus before,covid has been around and will
be around.
Covid has always been around.
It affects the lungs and thedigestion and one of the ways
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that I was helping people withherbs was literally just to help
to strengthen the lung energy.
Helping people with herbs wasliterally just to help to
strengthen the lung energy andas we strengthen the lung and
also dealt with other things theactual anti-bacterial or
antiviral with some herbs andthings like that to help with
that.
But some of the ways that I washelping people was literally
just nourishing the chi of theirlungs so that they just had
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enough oomph for their ownbody's ability to heal itself
kicked in.
And that's really what I'mworking to do ultimately working
to support you and support yourbody to have its ability to
heal itself kick in and do whatwe were blessed with the Creator
to do.
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Our bodies have an amazingability to heal itself.
I just come in professionallywith knowing a little bit more
things to to help that processalong when you need some help in
different ways right now, nowthat we we kind of like glossed
over the basics.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Um, now, just as just to keep it a hundred, I did one
acupuncture session at PCOM.
I never went back again, okay,because I felt like it didn't
work.
Nothing happened.
So what are you supposed to?
(33:13):
Probably, you know, back then Iwas definitely a skeptic about
everything.
So what are you supposed tofeel after an acupuncture
session?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, one acupuncture works in like a series of
visits.
I don't know if you don't mindsharing what were you in
acupuncture for.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I just want to share.
I just, yeah, yeah, I justwanted to try it out.
You know, you know I liftweights and especially back then
I was lifting like crazy heavy.
So I don't know exactly what Iwent in for, but I could imagine
I said something about weighttraining and then I'm tight in
my probably in my legs and mylower back.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay.
So, um, one of the things withacupuncture most people will one
feel very relaxed duringacupuncture treatment and even
after an acupuncture treatment.
Um, different people havedifferent levels of skill also.
Um, but speaking up for up formyself and my colleagues, you
know school is very intense.
Anybody that was able to getthrough school, take the
national exam and become alicensed acupuncturist is
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qualified.
Now, in school, sometimes too,you're getting treated by
students and student interns.
So, you know, maybe that couldhave been.
It could have been, you know,somebody who was just learning
and practicing on you.
Cause that's one of the thingswe do in school we practice on
each other before we get totreat the public as a licensed
practitioner or even touchpatients in the school clinic.
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But one of the things thatpeople feel is usually feel is
very relaxed.
From my experience, peopleusually sleep like a baby after,
like the night after, anacupuncture visit, depending on
what's going on, how long it'sbeen going on.
Like an acupuncture treatment,especially if it's like a
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chronic condition that's beengoing on for a while, might only
last like two or three days.
So generally, um, it'srecommended that someone come
for a course of treatments wecan, which can be like 10, 12
visits and if their time permits, I like to see people like
twice a week.
So I'm in my practice now onmondays, t, tuesdays and
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Saturdays.
So I might see someone on aSaturday and a Tuesday or a
Saturday and a Monday or aMonday and a Tuesday because we
want to catch up.
So say, someone came in today.
They feel great, especially inthe beginning.
They feel great.
Oh my gosh.
Wednesday I didn't have anypain.
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It's the first time in monthsor years I didn't have any pain.
Thursday.
Oh my gosh, it was feelingbetter.
Friday it started to creep inSaturday.
I kind of felt how I feltbefore I want to see you on
Saturday so that we're catchingit, and then the next time we do
that, see you Saturday andTuesday.
Saturday and Tuesday or othertimes I might see someone in my
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practice.
When I had a different type ofpractice on Mondays, wednesdays
and Saturdays in the beginningto kind of catch it and chase it
so that the effects of it buildup.
And the one great thing aboutacupuncture is that it's
actually causing changes in thebody, unlike a pill or unlike a
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painkiller, that when you stoptaking the drug you know you're
still sick underneath.
When we're dealing with thismedicine, with the acupuncture,
with herbs, with diet, it'sactually making physical changes
to the body.
So with different researchstudies they've seen where
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someone may get a course of 10visits for like back pain and
they went from a seven or eightto like a one or two.
When they do a follow-up onthese same folks months later,
their back pain is stillrelieved.
It might have come back alittle, but it was nowhere near
where it was before and sopeople can feel very things.
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I specialize in pain and injury,sports medicine and so
musculoskeletal conditions.
So with me and my practice I'musing a wide, I'm using a whole
bunch of modalities.
So I'm doing acupuncture withelectric stimulation which helps
the muscles to relax and helpswith the blood stimulation.
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I use an infrared heat lampwhich helps to warm the muscles
and the tendons and the jointsand I'm ending it with some
massage to help move the knotsout, move any stagnant fluid,
stagnant blood, loosen up themuscles and the joints and
tendons and all of that.
And so with all of those thingstogether and then someone maybe
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taking herbs also in between,that which also helps to support
the person from the root leveland also support their muscles
and tendons and joints and allof that.
So it's the acupuncture, butit's the holistic system of all
of it being done together.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Right, I like where you're going with that.
So let's say I have back pain.
Let's say I have back painAfter a few visits, what would
be the protocol to help me?
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Is it okay?
Now we're going to do a fewtreatments and then you're going
to give me maybe a stretchroutine and then also some herbs
.
What herbs in particular wouldI use for my back issue if I had
any?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So, again, when we're looking at herbs, we're
treating it for the back butwe're also looking at, like, the
root condition of your body.
So, to go around and bring itback, when we go back to looking
at the vital organ systems ofour body the liver, the heart,
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the spleen, the lungs, thekidneys the body is more
concerned with your vital organsthan your muscles, like if your
body had to choose betweenworking to heal itself from
digestive issues or your kneehurting.
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It's going to work when yourdigestive issues.
So with someone, we want toalways work to treat the root
condition and the person's bodyconstitution first and foremost.
Then, when we're getting to theback, you have certain herbs
and these are all, I'll speak inthe Latin part herbs like
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eucomia, horny goat weed, a lotof herbs that strengthen up the
back, also deal withreproductive function, your
sexual function.
But, like I say, herbs likeeucomia, we may use some herbs
that help to warm and strengthenthe body, like dried cinnamon,
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even dried ginger, aconite, thebhaji where some people take the
b bhaji, chew the alcohol orwhatever that has like the
chinese herbs in it, which ismorinda root, not moringa but
morinda root, um, depending onyour age, ginseng, and it's also
what is the back pain for?
(40:52):
Because you know, with allthese we can't just do.
We can do some generalization,but we always have to look at a
body constitution.
Is the back weak because you'rean elder and their kidney
energy is weak because thekidneys rule the back and the
knees and the bones?
Or is it weak because it was aninjury, somebody got into a car
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accident, or they lifted heavyand had over strain on their,
their muscles and things?
Two total different things.
One is a root, root cause whereyou really need to nourish the
body and nourish the kidneys andstrengthen the bones, and one
is we need to put you some herbsthat's going to help with the
blood circulation and even makesure that you stretch and things
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like that.
And so you know it goes deep.
And so there there's some thingsit's like okay, this is just
good for that, and there's someblends that for herbs, okay,
that are this is a formula of 12herbs, because when we usually
when we do herbal medicine, it'srare that we just do one herb
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at a time we may use four, five,six, 10, 12, 14 herbs that all
work together synergistically toachieve that goal of
strengthening the back and, ifit's necessary, again working on
like the root constitution ofthe body, because the back won't
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get better if that digestion togo back to that example if the
digestion doesn't get better,then the back is never going to
really really fully get betterand stay, because the body
doesn't have that energy to holditself and to to keep things
tight and keep things togethergreat, great, great, great,
great, great.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
great explanation there.
So now, moving on to themeridians, right Now, I wanted
to kind of save this, but we'llgo into it a little bit.
So, Western Eastern medicineFrom what I'm noticing, what
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I've noticed in school then andwhat I'm noticing in the fitness
industry the meridians and thefascia are beginning to connect
in the, the uh, the professionalworld right.
So there's a connection betweenthe two.
Do you know of any?
Do you know of that, or do youhave any information on that?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, there's so many different ways that the
meridians connect to the body,like you say, like the muscular
and the fascia, like, just to goin for folks that may not
understand, the fascia is likeeach of every single, all of our
muscles are literally sittingin a bag.
It's like, say, like chicken,if somebody eats chicken and you
have to peel the film off theoutside of the chicken.
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That's the fascia, and all ofour muscles are surrounded by a
fascia and our muscles are alljust like my hands with the skin
, are all like sliding on eachother, and that fascia is also
found to go all through the bodyas a network.
So, um, so, with the muscles,now it's called not just the
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muscles but the muscular fascialsystem.
Fascia spelled F, a, s, c, I, a, the musculo fascial system,
and the fascia is found now tobe like a net that not only
surrounds the muscle but goesall through it also.
So if you was to take our wholemuscular system and put it in a
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you know some agent that wasable to dissolve all of the
muscle flesh, as we think aboutmuscle, our whole body is a net,
a net underneath it of goingall through the fascia, and so
part of that is an explanationof the meridians, but not by
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itself.
So one of the things that welook at the body with the fascia
is almost like solid and gel atthe same time.
It goes from like a solid to aliquid and there's a whole.
There's a whole video I suggestyou watch.
(45:09):
I think it's called JourneyUnder the Skin, where it's
looking at the fascia and it'sliterally almost like Spider-Man
in the web, how when Spider-Manis going, he's hitting the
building and then pulling backand going to the next one.
Our body is literally so, as I'mmoving, the fascia in the body
is breaking off and reconnectingperfectly in different ways and
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so like, say, I press thispoint on my body in between,
like the thumb and the hand, ora lot of people are familiar
with this point here when peoplethey have those bands that are
for, like motion sickness orseasickness.
It's like a wristband.
It has, like the bead that'sactually pressing on an
acupuncture point that relatesto the digestion.
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So to get back to the fascia,you can think about it like with
the meridians and withacupuncture, to go into how it
works or massage, even to gointo your field.
One area of the body affectsothers.
So if you are on a crowdedtrain and everybody is shoulder
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to shoulder, if one person moveon the train it might cause a
whole reaction all the way downto the end of the train and our
bodies are the same way.
So you can do a point in yourhand or in your foot and it can
affect, like headaches, oraffect a whole other area of the
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body.
When we're looking at usingmeridians, we can do acupuncture
in the legs and those pointsrule the digestion.
But to get back to the meridians, we can look at it in terms of
like the muscular system andthere are, with the meridians,
specific meridians that relateto different muscle groups and a
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lot of work that I do areactually working on the muscle
meridians.
Then we have the meridians forour chi and some of those may
relate on a physical level alonglike patterns where the nerves
go and it's not directly thenervous system.
But some of the meridians,especially in like the arms and
the legs, definitely travelalong like the median nerve, the
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ulnar nerve, the radial nervewhere you see certain meridians.
But when they get to otherparts of the body that ulnar
nerve only goes from the neck tothe hand, but that meridian may
go all the way to the face ordown to the foot.
So part of it may hit some ofthose anatomical structures, but
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it's not a full explanation ofit.
So, yes, the meridians dorelate to the nerves, they do
relate to the bones, they dorelate to the blood vessels,
they do relate to everything.
They do relate to everythingand the different meridians
connect the body as a whole, theskin to the flesh, the muscles,
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the organs, the tendons, thejoints.
We use acupuncture to affect allof that.
One way you can look at it is,like you know, here on the East
Coast we have I-95, which goesfrom Maine north, as far as you
can go, all the way down theeastern seaboard to the tip of
Florida.
So we have, with acupuncture,the same thing.
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We have some meridians thatstart on the inside, like the
bladder meridian, starts on theinside corner of the eye, goes
over the head, over the back ofthe head, down the back of the
neck, down the back, down thebehind the thighs, down behind
your calves and end all the wayon the corner of your pinky toe,
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from the eyes, and there arepoints that I might do on the
ankle that affect the vision.
So, yeah, I don't know if thatanswers your question, but, um,
yeah, there's some explanationjust from a.
Uh, you know, then, with the,the meridians, it relates to, um
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, our bioelectric energy okay,now let's go on the bioelectric
energy.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Can you explain that?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
So when you measure the frequency of the body, like,
our bodies have a certainelectric frequency and when I
talk about doing like electricstimulation, the machine that I
use specifically is has specificHertz one Hertz, two Hertz, 10,
all the way to like 100 or 200or something like that.
Each one of those Hertz, whenI'm doing using it with
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acupuncture, stimulates thatfrequency in the body.
So when we talk about like ourdifferent endorphins, which are
our pain-relieving, feel-goodbiochemicals in the body, the
different hertz can stimulatethe release of different types
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of endorphins.
There's some differentendorphins that are released at
two hertz and it's our body havethat actual frequency and it's
our body have that actualfrequency.
Like if we measure ourfrequency we have different
hertz.
So with acupuncture, when we onthe surface of our skin we have
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sensors for heat, sensors fortemperature, sensors for pain
and acupuncture needles are verythin, very unlike a hypodermic
needle.
For some of our thinnestneedles you can fit like the tip
of 30 of them into, like thetip of a hypodermic needle.
That's how thin they are.
But when I puncture the skin itsends it's a micro trauma, like
a very small trauma, and whenwe're looking at it from a
biological explanation.
The body is like oh, somethingjust punctured the body.
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More red blood cells come tothat area, more white blood
cells come to the area.
The body releases pain killingendorphins.
So they affect that area.
But because they've beenreleased into the body, they
actually have a global effect onthe body.
When you get a cut per se, thecut, that injury, changes the
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frequency of the body whichstimulates the healing response.
So say, I'm not sure exactly,this is not it, but say your
frequency is at two Hertz.
When you get a cut in that areait's like 2.4 or five or
something like that.
The body's like oh, somethingjust happened Stimulates the
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healing response.
It stops the bleeding in thatarea.
The cut closes, it scabs overit's healing and slowly the
electric frequency in that areawhere it's injured returns to
the regular frequency of thebody.
What happens sometimes?
Just finish.
What happens sometimes, even ifthat area is not completely
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healed, is not completely healedand returns to the same
frequency.
Now you have a chroniccondition where the body isn't
even trying to heal itself.
So we come in with theacupuncture, we come in with the
massage to almost irritate thatarea a little bit, to
re-stimulate the healing process.
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And that's again why we wantpeople to come in more
frequently once at the minimum,like once a week, if they can
come in to help the body tostimulate that healing response,
your internal healing response,to actually come to a more
complete form of healing.
And that's why it has thoselong-term effects for back pain
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where even months later peoplestill feel better.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
OK, now let's say you get a cut right.
Your bio energetic field onthat cut goes up or down or
wherever it goes right, right,your overall bio electric field,
energetic field, does it go upor down?
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The reason why I'm asking thatis because, from what I I've
noticed through like justexperience, every little thing
that happens to human beings,whether we know it or not, it
affects us and I think that itaffects our overall psyche and
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whatever's going on internallyas far as organs et cetera.
So would you say that's true,or how do you see it?
Speaker 2 (53:57):
I mean, when you're talking about that bioelectric
field, that's when we can evenstart talking about qi, your
body's qi.
And so, excuse me, withacupuncture, we use the
acupunctures to help circulatethe qi through the meridians.
We supplement that qi and helpto regulate it, also with herbs,
not just strengthening it.
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Sometimes it can be too muchand it can bring it down.
It can be dealing with heat,cold, the effects of emotions.
All of these different thingscan affect our body's chi.
And so there are differentthings.
The proper mindset, we knowmood can affect our chi.
You know they say folks whohave cancer or different issues,
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if they watch comic relief andlaugh, they, they get better
faster.
Even when we talk about ametaphysical aspect, people that
are prayed for, they get betterfaster.
So you know, we can really takeit from the dense, dense level
of food, herbs all the way tomentality, affirmations, the
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power of other people, otherpeople, group think, all of
these sorts of things nice, nice, nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Now, um, you said you implement meditation herbs,
qigong, uh, and of course,acupuncture.
Now, um, meditation.
Let's talk about that before weclose out.
Meditation what's the rightmeditation?
(55:32):
I hear like Tibetan meditationis the best, more thorough
meditation, from what I hear.
What would you say to that?
Speaker 2 (55:43):
The best meditation is the one you actually do.
Same thing like herbs.
People ask me what's the bestform of herbs?
I'm like the one that youactually take.
You know what I mean.
Like um, so relating it to thismedicine, you know, and they
and they all work.
You know what I mean.
That's like where do the bestherbs in the world grow?
It's the whole planet.
You know what I mean.
That's like where do the bestherbs in the world grow?
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It's the whole planet.
You know what I mean.
There may be some herbs thatare wild, crafted, that grow in
the mountains and do all of that, but there's some herbs that
grow in your backyard and thingslike that.
And so the same thing, like themeditation that I do is
actually what even introduced meto this field, even before
going to school.
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Dealing with, say, like Taoistmeditation, which again deals
with wood, fire, earth, metaland water, and using
visualization and intention totake all the different aspects
of those elements and putting itin the organ.
We can do a whole show on this.
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So, say, we're in the fireelement right, which relates to
the energy of the heart and thesmall intestine.
The color for fire element isred, so you can meditate on the
color red with your heart andyour small intestine.
You have a healing sound whichis like a haw type of sound.
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That haw doing that helps torelease negative energy, heat,
all sorts of things that may bein the heart.
In the heart we may want tomeditate on the affirmations of
love, joy and happiness.
The direction of the heart isthe south, so you may want to be
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visualizing you're bringing theenergy of the south into the
heart.
The planet that rules the heartis Mars.
You want to meditate on theplanet, or visualizing the
planet Mars coming down throughyour crown and you know you root
it to the earth and there's awhole thing.
And you know the time of theheart meridian is 11 to 1, 11 am
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to 1 pm in the day.
I also think about it in termsof, yeah, around that time and
then like high noon, and highnoon I relate to, like the
summer time of the year, wheresundown I relate to autumn.
You know midnight is winter,sunrise would be like spring.
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So even every single day we'regoing through each of the
seasons of the year, throughoutthe different phases of the sun,
and that's just the fireelement and the wood element,
the metal element.
Each all have their own planet,all have their own direction,
taste, temperature, all of thedifferent correspondences,
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different emotions, like for theheart.
We say that like bitterness, andsome people like we deal with
joy.
But when you see those peoplethat are like you know you're
like peace, they're like yo,like overhype.
We say that's imbalance in theheart, you want to be more
balanced.
So we want to take that andmeditate on the opposite of that
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, which is like your love, joyand happiness.
And each organ has its positiveand negative emotion.
With Taoist medicine we dealwith focusing on the dantian,
which is almost like inTransformers, the Matrix,
optimus Prime and things thatwas literally like his
dantianian.
That's like pulling straightfrom ancient medicine.
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And then we circulate theenergy up our back and down the
front in the microcosmic orbit.
I'm getting deep, connecting tothe earth, connecting to the,
the sun, moon, the stars andit's is.
It goes everywhere with it andall of these things help to
balance the body, help tostrengthen our body's
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bioelectric field.
And then when we're doing thesethings along with the herbs,
along with and that's what I wasjust talking about is just
sitting, qigong, then you havedifferent movements that you can
do also that help with themovement and the circulation of
the body's chi throughout thedifferent meridians.
So you see it goes, the rabbithole goes, goes far right, far
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and deep.
Yeah right, and those aremeditations that I do.
You know, like I'm in this, Ihave all those things memorized,
obviously, but, um, I'vedefinitely seen some strong
effects, like out of all thedifferent things that I've
studied.
You know, the Dallas meditationis real.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Gotcha, gotcha.
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What's going on everybody?
It's Ron Brown, lmt, thePeople's Fitness Professional.
I just want to say before weget started LMT does not mean
limited, it means licensedmassage therapist, which we're
going to go into today's episodeon fitness and health and we
have Dr Peshari.
And the reason why I'm sayingI'm talking about the LMT is
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because that's where I saw thedoc at Pacific Pacific College
Hold on Pacific College ofOriental Medicine, that's where
I got my massage license andthat's where, I believe, you got
your acupuncture license, youracupuncture license.
Okay, so tell us a little bitabout yourself, like your
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history, where are you from andyour journey, and how did you
get into acupuncture?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
All right, peace everyone.
I'm Dr Beshara Wilson, again,born and raised in Brooklyn East
, new York, to be specific, andmy journey.
I was first introduced tohealth, really my first intro I
remember seeing like the bookBack to Eden at my family's
house down south my family'sfrom the south South Carolina,
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georgia, everybody's familyseemed like they used to have
Back to Eden classic book.
And then in the 80s my mothertaking a lot of vitamins, you
know a lot of us introducedthrough um, um, was it dick
gregory, bahamian diet, I don'tremember that, the bahamian diet
, they had the powder back theneverybody was taking that and my
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mother's taking a lot ofvitamins, shackley.
And then in the 90s, um, motherbecame more plant-based and
having different books aroundthe house Queen of Fools, heal
Thyself, dr Africa's, africanHolistic Health, a couple of
other books like that.
Then when I got to college,undergrad began more on my own
spiritual journey, metaphysicaljourney, began studying health
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and herbs and world religion andall of those different types of
things got into, likemeditation, taoist meditation,
and after the, when I graduated,I had a big old fro.
You know, got the baldy now buthad a big old fro and I was
like you know, I didn't want tocontinue on my undergrad degree.
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It was in African-Americanstudies.
I didn't want to teach, Ididn't want to go corporate.
I was definitely interested instudying holistic medicine and
right after I graduated I hadwell.
When I was still in school Iwrote a short book called Good
Health and Wellbeing for AfricanAmericans that was the title of
it as part of my senior projectfor my undergrad degree in
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African American studies andthat kind of really opened me up
even more to the field, doingresearch, and really saw that
that was something that I wantedto pursue.
Moving forward, when I got backto New York, got back to
Brooklyn from college, I reallywent to seek out Queen of Four
because her book was one of thebooks that I had referenced in
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the book that I had referencedin the book that I wrote when I
was in college.
And also, dr Africa wasactually able to get him on the
phone, bless his spirit.
And Queen of Four actuallycharged me.
She charged, said whatever infoyou get, go out and get that
info and bring it back to thepeople.
And so, doing my research, Ifound a couple of schools.
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I found what was the PacificInstitute of Oriental Medicine,
then went on a tour there and Isaw the herbal pharmacy, because
my main thing that I wasinterested in was herbs.
And so I saw the pharmacy.
It was a big room, all fourwalls, lined from the floor to
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the ceiling, which shells ofherbs had to be a couple hundred
different herbs in there.
And I was like yo, I want to dothis, but I don't want to do
all of that acupuncture and allthat other stuff, I just want to
do herbs, and they were likewell, it's a master's level
program.
We don't just teach the herbsby itself.
And I kind of meditated on it,prayed on it, went for it.
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A couple of weeks later I wasin the school.
While I was in school, had achance to visit China and Tibet.
We could talk about all of that.
I was initiated into theLongmun, which is the dragon
gate sect of the Tao, by abreatharian monk out in China.
While I was in school too, hada chance to travel to Senegal
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and Gambia, studied with somefolks out there briefly in Ghana
and, you know, finished schoolback in 2002.
With my master's in traditionaloriental medicine at the time,
pacific Institute became thePacific College of Oriental
Medicine once they wereofficially given the New York
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State and national recognitionfor offering the master's
2002-2003.
Later on, took some morecontinuing education classes in
specialized sports medicineacupuncture, which is what I do
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now.
Later on, back in 2017-2018,went back and completed my
doctoral studies in acupunctureand Chinese medicine.
And here we are today.
My wife actually during thattime met my wife, dr Danette
Bean.
She's also a doctor ofacupuncture and Chinese medicine
.
So it's a whole family thingand, yeah, we got the power
couple going on and I'm out heretaking care of folks and right
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now I have my private practice,new York sports acupuncture,
here in Bed-Stuy.
I like the Bed-Stuy, bushwickBorder, marcus Garvey Boulevard,
7 Marcus Garvey Boulevard,right around the corner from
Woodhull Hospital.
So I'm still here and you know,taking care of folks good folks
like you over the years, bigbro and you know we're here.
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It's a pleasure.
Thanks for having me on theshow.
No problem, man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
No problem, big bro, and you know we're here.
It's a pleasure.
Thanks for having me on theshow.
No problem, man, no problem.
So what was funny about?
I don't know when I met youexactly right.
I just remember you seeing youin passing, like you were just
coming by the school.
I guess you were done alreadywith the school so, and I
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graduated around 2016, 15, oneof those.
Now, what were you doing whereyou?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
you were coming back just to see people, or Well, my
wife, she was actually teachinglike the gynecological some like
gynecology, women's healthclasses at PECOM, pacific
College.
Born into medicine, and at thetime she was pregnant with our
son and so with her maternityleave, I actually subbed in and
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was teaching her classes forlike a semester or a couple of
weeks, however long it was.
And then I think there was theBlack Student Union I forgot
what it was called at PacificCollege and I would come in
sometimes and, just, you know,speak to y'all on some almost
like elder statesmen, rightthat's what it was.
Yeah, give me some info onwhatever and just speak to the
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brothers and sisters who were,who were studying at the time.
So that's where I probably metyou.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think I met you in passing and giving advice or
something like that.
I was saying hi, but what Ithink would happen was that we
were already following eachother on Facebook, probably
because, just like you said,queen of four and all of that.
So you know, you know, as partof the, as far as the conscious
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community, I think we crosspaths in both, both worlds.
You know, and that and that way.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So now, if you can explain to the people exactly
what is traditional Chinesemedicine and how is it helpful
for the human body, so when youlook at like just to kind of get
into the politics of it all,traditional Chinese medicine is
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more of like the modernpost-Chinese revolution, mao
Zedong, chinese Revolution, maoZedong where they actually, in
their own culture, with theirrevolution, when they were
taking on communism, they werereally getting rid of a lot of
their own culture around it interms of the shamanistic aspect,
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but the acupuncture is soeffective that they kept it.
And so when I think about it,you know you can look at it as
called like East Asian medicine,or even going deeper, to call
it like Taoist medicine.
And so traditional Chinesemedicine, as is, you know,
commonly called we'll just usethat for now it's a whole system
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where you talk about thebalance of yin and yang or yin
and yang, the five elements ofwood, fire, earth, metal and
water, how they relate to thedifferent organ systems of the
body the liver, the heart, thespleen, the lungs, the kidneys,
pericardium and their pairedorgans with the gallbladder and
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the small intestine and thestomach, the large intestine,
the urinary bladder and anotherthing we call the triple warmer,
and how all of that relates tothe health.
So generally, if someone comesin for evaluation, we go through
a whole system of questions.
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So someone will come in usuallywith a chief complaint, and you
don't have to be sick to get it.
But usually, like the way thatwe're trained to do medicine
from like a Western standpoint,most people go to the doctor
after they're already sick, andso people come in with their
chief complaint.
We're asking you know whatmakes it better, what makes it
worse?
How did it start?
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How long did it do you have it?
And then we also relate it toall of your other systems of
your body, whether we're lookingat your sleeping, your
digestion, your elimination, thequality of your.
You know your energy, your bodytemperature, headache, you
temperature from head to toe,and so an initial evaluation can
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take, before we even touchsomebody, an hour, hour and a
half, two hours, getting intothe family history and all of
that.
And so, with asking all ofthose questions, then we'll look
at someone's tongue and taketheir pulse and we can go into
some of that too.
Which, all of those questions?
Then we'll look at someone'stongue and take their pulse and
we can go into some of that too,which all of that combined
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forms a picture of your healthand it gives a picture of your
body constitution and from therewe can form a specific
diagnosis related to the chiefcomplaint and looking at the
root cause and what organ systemis related to.
From there we create atreatment plan, and that
treatment plan can includeacupuncture with other
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modalities like electricstimulation, heat cupping,
moxibustion, another thingcalled gua sha, herbal medicine,
diet therapy, lifestyle qigong,and all of these things work
together holistically to bringyour body back to balance.
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One great thing about thismedicine is that it's a system
and so everything is related.
Like I spoke about thedifferent organs, and so the
different organs also relatewith acupuncture to what we call
the 12 meridians.
To go through those again, it'sthe lungs, the large intestine,
stomach, spleen, heart, smallintestine, so on and so forth.
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It's 12 of them and each ofthose have their own diagnosis,
and so we would use theacupuncture to affect, to use,
you know, the needles to affectthe different meridians.
Those 12 organ systems alsorelate to herbal medicine.
So with the herbs, each of thedifferent herbs, every single
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herb also goes to a specificmeridian.
Each of the herbs have a taste,a temperature, a function of
why we use it and an indicationReal, briefly, to explain that.
So there's some herbs that sayhelp with the blood circulation,
but the indication may be helpwith blood circulation to the
heart for like, say like quoteunquote heart disease.
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Or for a woman to help with thecirculation to the womb for
menstrual issues.
Different herbs, even thoughthey both circulate the blood
circulation and so they'redifferent.
Like I say, each of the herbs,each of the meridians, the
acupuncture meridians I'm sorry,each of the organs with the
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meridians have a specificrelations to the herbs.
Each of the foods also go todifferent meridians.
So, say, someone has a weaknessin their lungs.
There are acupuncture pointsthat we do to help to strengthen
the lungs.
There are specific herbs thatgo to the lungs.
There's specific foods that goto the lungs.
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There are other lifestylethings to do in terms of
visualization and meditation forthe lungs.
There are qigong exercises forthe lungs, and then you can even
add other nutritionalsupplements from, like, a
Western standpoint to get awhole thing, western standpoint
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to get a whole thing.
And so if I'm doing acupunctureto open the lungs, and then when
those the lung meridian orlarge intestine meridian or
whatever is open and you'retaking the herbs, you're taking
the foods, you're doing thelifestyle, you're meditating on
the color white, which is the,which is the color.
There's a sound for the lungs.
You do all of these thingstogether to make it a whole
lifestyle and get a wholepicture of health.
And one of the things that youmay pick up as I'm talking about
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this is the difference betweenthis and Western medicine is
that you know you come in for me, I may provide professional
services, but the responsibilityultimately is on you to do all
of the holistic things tomaintain your health and your
body and your spirit, becauseit's you Right Versus.
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You go to the medical doctorand be like, hey, give me a pill
to help me with whatever.
And then people go on, don'tchange their lifestyle and don't
want, and then wonder why theydon't get better a lifestyle and
then wonder why they don't getbetter, right, correct.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Now as far as the 12 meridians, which are basically
the organs attached to theorgans, the origin of these
meridians come from the organs,right, yes, okay.
Now when we're talking aboutfire uh air.
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What'd you say?
Um, it's wood fire, wood, woodfire, air earth metal, metal.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
They don't do.
They don't do air that would berelated to, like the metal
element.
So the metal element is thelungs, which in other systems
might be air, but we don'tdiscuss, like we don't use like
the air element in the system ofmedicine.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Okay, so can you give me an example of how those
elements connect to the organs,the 12 meridians?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Okay.
So when we look at the, theelements, the elements are from
like a universal nature.
You know we talk about.
You have the great unificationof everything in the universe
and then that split into theduality of yin and yang male and
female and then that furthersplits into three, and then
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those three split into five,which become the five elements
of wood, fire, earth, metal andwater, and those elements relate
to everything in nature.
So you have, like those fivecategories.
So with those elements, theyrelate to not only the organs to
get you know, I'll get to yourquestion but it also relates to
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the planet.
So we say, like in the seasonsof the year, so say, right now
we're in the summer.
The summer, this is the fireelement.
The fire element rules theheart and the small intestine.
The planet, for the fireelement is the planet Mars, and
then, if we really want to getmetaphysical, it relates to,
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like the forehead, the chest,and so with this season of the
year, we would to be in tunewith nature.
We would, one eat the foods andthe herbs that grow naturally
during this time, which is theeasiest way to do that is just
go to the farmer's market, andthen there are specific herbs,
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specific foods that strengthenthe heart and the small
intestine, and so we would wantto eat those foods that go to
the heart and the smallintestine, to be in tune with
the season and the element thatrules the season, which is the
fire element.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right.
Can you give me an example ofthe foods?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Some of the foods that the fire element just a lot
of your red foods like beetsare going to be great for like
the heart.
This season too, we have a lotof berries that grow during the
season, and then you know justfoods that in season, like right
now, your zucchini and yellowsquash are in season, different
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greens are in season I'm tryingto remember the ones exactly
that are in season but, yeah,especially something like beets,
like I say, a lot of those redfoods.
And then, when we're dealingwith the red foods, we're
dealing with, you know,watermelon, all of your melons,
like this is a hot time of theyear and so you know, watermelon
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, which also has that fleshy redcolor, is going to be great for
the heart.
It's also cooling this seasonof the year.
We want to do more coolingfoods like even like your mint
even though we'll look at thatmore as like a liver type of
herb but foods that are going tonaturally work to cool us down.
But now we're moving into theautumn season and so we want to
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start looking at taking more ofthe fresh ginger.
Like it was a little bit coolertoday here in the city, here in
New York City, it was a littlebit cooler today, and so we want
to start moving away from thosecolder, cooler foods into more
warming foods like the gingerand things like that.
And I would also suggest thatpeople look up foods that are
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good for the heart or whateverregion that you live in, because
you know this is a uminternational show what foods
grow naturally where you live,like we're here in the city down
south.
There's certain foods that growdown there.
They got the muscadine grapesand the um scampanar grapes that
grow um this time of this, thistime of the year down south.
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We got them up here but they'resent from georgia.
You know we pick them um thatseason of the year and then then
in the wintertime you don'twant to be doing stuff like
watermelon, because that's goingto cool the body and actually
be going against nature to bedoing those things.
And even like this season ofthe year where it's hot out, you
don't want to be eating greasyfoods, heavy foods, fries.
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You're sitting out in 90 degreeup weather eating a burger and
fries.
You, you're suffering out there, so cooking yourself right,
exactly, so now going intoautumn?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
um, so now we spoke about the summer and how it's
connected to the heart.
Now going into autumn, whatorgan would be connected to
autumn?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So the autumn is the metal element, which are the
lungs and the large intestine.
When we're looking at thetemperature, like each of the
different seasons have atemperature where, like the
summer, is literally hot and dry, it's hot and it's hot, and
then, once we get to the autumn,it's cool and dry.
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And so when we get to theautumn, you wanna be taking more
foods that help to nourish thelungs.
That's where your, likeastragalus comes in, codonopsis,
american ginseng.
It's starting to get cooler.
So sometimes that wind, you knowyou can go outside, you can get
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caught slipping out there andthat wind gets up in the neck
and next year, you know, folkswake up with a stiff neck and
body aches, losing their voice,catching colds and things like
that.
Some of the things we want todo in the autumn are, like I say
, drinking warmer foods, likeyour fresh ginger tea.
I would suggest just keeping apot of that on the stove Fresh
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ginger, cut up a couple slices,boil that down.
You drink that.
It's going to cause you to havea light sweat, even drinking
green tea, anything that's goingto make you just have a light
sweat, which helps to open upyour pores to let out that wind
when we get inside.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Now, now back to the, the elements in the organs.
You spoke about the heart, andand the heart is connected to
fire.
Yes, okay, now you mentionedthe lungs for autumn, which is
connected to the lungs.
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It's connected to iron.
Did you say Metal, wood, metalelement, Iron, iron, iron, metal
or iron?
Okay, now, so let's continue togo through the seasons.
So now, in winter, that'sconnected to what?
What organ and what, whatelement?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
That's the water element and the kidneys and the
urinary bladder.
And I'm saying two organsbecause you have, like what we
see is the yin organ and theyang or the yang organ.
So the yin organ is the kidneys, which is like your strong
organ, and then the urinarybladder is like a bag, it's a
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hollow organ.
So when we look at all of theorgans, the yin organs are
always like a more solid organand as paired yang organ.
Actually they just store andbriefly and get things going.
So, like the heart is like asolid organ and it's yang paired
organ is the small intestine.
We know food passes throughthere, the whole nutrition and
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thing that goes with one.
With that, the lungs is likethe vital organ of the um, the
vital organ of the um, the, andthe hollow organ we say, is the
large intestine.
For the wintertime it's thewater element, the solid organ
is the kidneys and the holloworgan is the urinary bladder.
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For the spring is the woodelement.
The solid organ is the liver,is the wood element, the solid
organ is the liver and itspaired organ is the gallbladder.
And then we say either theIndian summer, which is the time
I guess we're in now, or how Ilike to look at it, the period
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of transition between seasons.
Everything returns back toearth, which is the spleen,
which is like the spleen and thepancreas we would say from like
a Western mindset and thispaired organ is the stomach.
And when I'm speaking about theorgans, I'm not necessarily just
speaking about it from like aWestern medicine, anatomical and
physiological, some of thatdoes have to play.
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But when we look at things fromlike an Eastern medicine,
eastern, east Asian standpoint,there's a whole metaphysical
aspect to the organs in relationto aspects of the spirit,
personality, seasons, flavors,taste, temperature, planets,
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directions all of the differentphenomenon relate to that
element and therefore affectthat organ also.
So we can take things from likea physical organ level and then
from a metaphysical standpointto where it goes down to the
denser level to affect theorgans.
And so, yeah, I'll leave thatthere.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Gotcha, gotcha.
So now, one thing I rememberabout the heart is the shin, and
you can see that through theeyes.
So explain that, explain thatconnection through the eyes.
So explain that explain thatconnection.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
When we talk about the shin and the heart, we say
the heart one of themetaphysical aspects of the
organs.
The heart is the emperor andthe heart carries the shin.
The shin is the aspect of thespirit that connects us to like
our higher self.
And when someone, we say theirshin or their spirit, is
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disturbed, that's when folks areliterally kind of like losing
their mind.
And when you can see it insomeone's eyes.
If someone has like a crazedlook in their eyes or hollow
looking, you can.
It's like that vibe when yousee someone you like.
Yesterday, for example, I'mdriving back to the office and
I'm at the light and I'm lookingand this dude, he looking all
crazy and you know my spideysenses turn up and you know he
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looking around and he pulled, hegot the gun, he pulling the
hammer out his pocket.
You know, at whatever his quote, unquote ops, I don't know what
it was, he never fully took itout, but I saw the handle.
But I first saw in his eyes hisshin looked disturbed.
You know he had that look that.
You know like he was, was thatgrimy, ready to get it looked.
And so, being from you knowwhere I'm from, I saw it and,
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sure enough, um, he had, youknow, he had the hammer, and so,
um, nothing, nothing jumped off.
Give thanks for that, um, butit's the same thing with a
client you can see the change inthe eyes, even for elder, as
someone is kind of sick, um, orjust in general, not even the
elder, if someone's sick, youcan look and see and that their
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shin is either disturbed ortheir shin is weak, and that's
their overall overall spirit,your overall way of being, and
so, um, and there's differentlevels to that, but yeah, but
that would be like the emperorthat connects us to our greater
purpose and even the universe ona certain level okay now.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So we're talking about the heart and how it
manifests, where you canvisually see it.
Now, what about going into theautumn?
We spoke about iron and wespoke about the lungs.
How would that manifest?
Through heavy breathing.
I've also, you know, uh, goingthrough, uh, pacific college.
You know they were talkingabout people who talk with, like
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you know, like, talk certain, acertain way.
You can tell that they'redealing with some kind of
depression and yada, yada.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So can you go in, go into detail with that, explain
that yeah, even as part of likeI was speaking on earlier with
the questions and with diagnosisand things like that, part of
it is the quality of their shinand their voice.
Like some people, if they'reweak and you're tired, you know
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they're kind of speaking likethis, or because their energy is
so low, they can't even projecttheir voice.
And then, as they're gettingbetter, you see someone getting
better and they're just morelively, not even hype, but you
can actually see when someonelike you see somebody even like,
almost like that, that shine,that swagger that somebody have,
you know you get a new haircut.
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It's a, it adds something tothe shin and so even with I mean
, I can go somewhere else withit, but it's almost like when
someone like a higher level ofself-respect, will you go and
get your hair cut?
You might get some new gear,you might, whatever it is, and
that's going to show up in thespirit.
And we can nourish the shinwith herbs, with foods, as
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somebody is feeling better andtheir chi is flowing through,
whatever from acupuncture, herbs, the whole holistic cadre of
modalities that we use, whetherin this medicine, whatever it is
, dance, yoga, qigong, running,whatever it is, dance, yoga,
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qigong, running, whatever it is,whatever it is that helps to
lift your overall spirit that wehave to us, and when that shin
is gone, that's when we expiredand that's it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Right, okay, so when we're talking about lungs, when
we're talking about lungs, howwould that manifest?
Like if you wanted to, if you,can you hear a person's voice
and kind of tell Anything, likecan you examine anything from a?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
person's voice.
You know, yeah, like I'm not astight on that.
You know, even with differentsounds of the organs, where
someone may have like a ringyvoice, but you can even hear in
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someone's voice when they have,you know, phlegm or mucus is
going to show through the voiceand in different ways.
And so, yeah, with, like, theliver, the liver deals with, you
know, anger, so someone's tightand they always tight and
things like that.
And there's certain words thatpeople used to use like you got
a lot of heart, or you got a lotof gall, which is the
gallbladder.
You know liverish, you know, soI put the battery in their back
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which deals with the energy ofthe kidney.
You got balls, you know braveryand all of that sort of thing.
So a lot of these terms that weuse, I can't stomach that.
A lot of these terms that weuse, you know, speaking from the
gut and things like that,actually relate to the energy of
those organs and that's how, atone point, they were part of
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the lexicon, where they actuallyit's a saying, but the saying
actually has some credencebehind it in what it is.
And so with the lungs, we'relooking at the lung chi, which
is your vital energy.
So if the chi of the lungs islow, that's when someone would
be speaking kind of low andalmost having like labor or you
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know labored breathing and it'sjust difficult to get the words
out because their lung energy islow and things like that
because they literally justdon't have the energy to project
themselves.
They have to store their energybecause they're so tired from
whatever.
And one of the things you know,with COVID, for example, we
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know COVID affected folks withthe lungs and it also affected
people's digestion.
A lot of people lost theirappetite and when you look at
the coronavirus virus before,covid has been around and will
be around.
Covid has always been around.
It affects the lungs and thedigestion and one of the ways
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that I was helping people withherbs was literally just to help
to strengthen the lung energy.
Helping people with herbs wasliterally just to help to
strengthen the lung energy andas we strengthen the lung and
also dealt with other things theactual anti-bacterial or
antiviral with some herbs andthings like that to help with
that.
But some of the ways that I washelping people was literally
just nourishing the chi of theirlungs so that they just had
(32:15):
enough oomph for their ownbody's ability to heal itself
kicked in.
And that's really what I'mworking to do ultimately working
to support you and support yourbody to have its ability to
heal itself kick in and do whatwe were blessed with the Creator
to do.
(32:36):
Our bodies have an amazingability to heal itself.
I just come in professionallywith knowing a little bit more
things to to help that processalong when you need some help in
different ways right now, nowthat we we kind of like glossed
over the basics.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Um, now, just as just to keep it a hundred, I did one
acupuncture session at PCOM.
I never went back again, okay,because I felt like it didn't
work.
Nothing happened.
So what are you supposed to?
(33:13):
Probably, you know, back then Iwas definitely a skeptic about
everything.
So what are you supposed tofeel after an acupuncture
session?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, one acupuncture works in like a series of
visits.
I don't know if you don't mindsharing what were you in
acupuncture for.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I just want to share.
I just, yeah, yeah, I justwanted to try it out.
You know, you know I liftweights and especially back then
I was lifting like crazy heavy.
So I don't know exactly what Iwent in for, but I could imagine
I said something about weighttraining and then I'm tight in
my probably in my legs and mylower back.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay.
So, um, one of the things withacupuncture most people will one
feel very relaxed duringacupuncture treatment and even
after an acupuncture treatment.
Um, different people havedifferent levels of skill also.
Um, but speaking up for up formyself and my colleagues, you
know school is very intense.
Anybody that was able to getthrough school, take the
national exam and become alicensed acupuncturist is
(34:31):
qualified.
Now, in school, sometimes too,you're getting treated by
students and student interns.
So, you know, maybe that couldhave been.
It could have been, you know,somebody who was just learning
and practicing on you.
Cause that's one of the thingswe do in school we practice on
each other before we get totreat the public as a licensed
practitioner or even touchpatients in the school clinic.
(34:54):
But one of the things thatpeople feel is usually feel is
very relaxed.
From my experience, peopleusually sleep like a baby after,
like the night after, anacupuncture visit, depending on
what's going on, how long it'sbeen going on.
Like an acupuncture treatment,especially if it's like a
(35:14):
chronic condition that's beengoing on for a while, might only
last like two or three days.
So generally, um, it'srecommended that someone come
for a course of treatments wecan, which can be like 10, 12
visits and if their time permits, I like to see people like
twice a week.
So I'm in my practice now onmondays, t, tuesdays and
(35:38):
Saturdays.
So I might see someone on aSaturday and a Tuesday or a
Saturday and a Monday or aMonday and a Tuesday because we
want to catch up.
So say, someone came in today.
They feel great, especially inthe beginning.
They feel great.
Oh my gosh.
Wednesday I didn't have anypain.
(35:59):
It's the first time in monthsor years I didn't have any pain.
Thursday.
Oh my gosh, it was feelingbetter.
Friday it started to creep inSaturday.
I kind of felt how I feltbefore I want to see you on
Saturday so that we're catchingit, and then the next time we do
that, see you Saturday andTuesday.
Saturday and Tuesday or othertimes I might see someone in my
(36:22):
practice.
When I had a different type ofpractice on Mondays, wednesdays
and Saturdays in the beginningto kind of catch it and chase it
so that the effects of it buildup.
And the one great thing aboutacupuncture is that it's
actually causing changes in thebody, unlike a pill or unlike a
(36:43):
painkiller, that when you stoptaking the drug you know you're
still sick underneath.
When we're dealing with thismedicine, with the acupuncture,
with herbs, with diet, it'sactually making physical changes
to the body.
So with different researchstudies they've seen where
(37:03):
someone may get a course of 10visits for like back pain and
they went from a seven or eightto like a one or two.
When they do a follow-up onthese same folks months later,
their back pain is stillrelieved.
It might have come back alittle, but it was nowhere near
where it was before and sopeople can feel very things.
(37:27):
I specialize in pain and injury,sports medicine and so
musculoskeletal conditions.
So with me and my practice I'musing a wide, I'm using a whole
bunch of modalities.
So I'm doing acupuncture withelectric stimulation which helps
the muscles to relax and helpswith the blood stimulation.
(37:49):
I use an infrared heat lampwhich helps to warm the muscles
and the tendons and the jointsand I'm ending it with some
massage to help move the knotsout, move any stagnant fluid,
stagnant blood, loosen up themuscles and the joints and
tendons and all of that.
And so with all of those thingstogether and then someone maybe
(38:12):
taking herbs also in between,that which also helps to support
the person from the root leveland also support their muscles
and tendons and joints and allof that.
So it's the acupuncture, butit's the holistic system of all
of it being done together.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Right, I like where you're going with that.
So let's say I have back pain.
Let's say I have back painAfter a few visits, what would
be the protocol to help me?
(38:51):
Is it okay?
Now we're going to do a fewtreatments and then you're going
to give me maybe a stretchroutine and then also some herbs
.
What herbs in particular wouldI use for my back issue if I had
any?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So, again, when we're looking at herbs, we're
treating it for the back butwe're also looking at, like, the
root condition of your body.
So, to go around and bring itback, when we go back to looking
at the vital organ systems ofour body the liver, the heart,
(39:30):
the spleen, the lungs, thekidneys the body is more
concerned with your vital organsthan your muscles, like if your
body had to choose betweenworking to heal itself from
digestive issues or your kneehurting.
(39:50):
It's going to work when yourdigestive issues.
So with someone, we want toalways work to treat the root
condition and the person's bodyconstitution first and foremost.
Then, when we're getting to theback, you have certain herbs
and these are all, I'll speak inthe Latin part herbs like
(40:10):
eucomia, horny goat weed, a lotof herbs that strengthen up the
back, also deal withreproductive function, your
sexual function.
But, like I say, herbs likeeucomia, we may use some herbs
that help to warm and strengthenthe body, like dried cinnamon,
(40:32):
even dried ginger, aconite, thebhaji where some people take the
b bhaji, chew the alcohol orwhatever that has like the
chinese herbs in it, which ismorinda root, not moringa but
morinda root, um, depending onyour age, ginseng, and it's also
what is the back pain for?
(40:52):
Because you know, with allthese we can't just do.
We can do some generalization,but we always have to look at a
body constitution.
Is the back weak because you'rean elder and their kidney
energy is weak because thekidneys rule the back and the
knees and the bones?
Or is it weak because it was aninjury, somebody got into a car
(41:12):
accident, or they lifted heavyand had over strain on their,
their muscles and things?
Two total different things.
One is a root, root cause whereyou really need to nourish the
body and nourish the kidneys andstrengthen the bones, and one
is we need to put you some herbsthat's going to help with the
blood circulation and even makesure that you stretch and things
(41:36):
like that.
And so you know it goes deep.
And so there there's some thingsit's like okay, this is just
good for that, and there's someblends that for herbs, okay,
that are this is a formula of 12herbs, because when we usually
when we do herbal medicine, it'srare that we just do one herb
(41:57):
at a time we may use four, five,six, 10, 12, 14 herbs that all
work together synergistically toachieve that goal of
strengthening the back and, ifit's necessary, again working on
like the root constitution ofthe body, because the back won't
(42:18):
get better if that digestion togo back to that example if the
digestion doesn't get better,then the back is never going to
really really fully get betterand stay, because the body
doesn't have that energy to holditself and to to keep things
tight and keep things togethergreat, great, great, great,
great, great.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
great explanation there.
So now, moving on to themeridians, right Now, I wanted
to kind of save this, but we'llgo into it a little bit.
So, Western Eastern medicineFrom what I'm noticing, what
(42:59):
I've noticed in school then andwhat I'm noticing in the fitness
industry the meridians and thefascia are beginning to connect
in the, the uh, the professionalworld right.
So there's a connection betweenthe two.
Do you know of any?
Do you know of that, or do youhave any information on that?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, there's so many different ways that the
meridians connect to the body,like you say, like the muscular
and the fascia, like, just to goin for folks that may not
understand, the fascia is likeeach of every single, all of our
muscles are literally sittingin a bag.
It's like, say, like chicken,if somebody eats chicken and you
have to peel the film off theoutside of the chicken.
(43:43):
That's the fascia, and all ofour muscles are surrounded by a
fascia and our muscles are alljust like my hands with the skin
, are all like sliding on eachother, and that fascia is also
found to go all through the bodyas a network.
So, um, so, with the muscles,now it's called not just the
(44:05):
muscles but the muscular fascialsystem.
Fascia spelled F, a, s, c, I, a, the musculo fascial system,
and the fascia is found now tobe like a net that not only
surrounds the muscle but goesall through it also.
So if you was to take our wholemuscular system and put it in a
(44:26):
you know some agent that wasable to dissolve all of the
muscle flesh, as we think aboutmuscle, our whole body is a net,
a net underneath it of goingall through the fascia, and so
part of that is an explanationof the meridians, but not by
(44:47):
itself.
So one of the things that welook at the body with the fascia
is almost like solid and gel atthe same time.
It goes from like a solid to aliquid and there's a whole.
There's a whole video I suggestyou watch.
(45:09):
I think it's called JourneyUnder the Skin, where it's
looking at the fascia and it'sliterally almost like Spider-Man
in the web, how when Spider-Manis going, he's hitting the
building and then pulling backand going to the next one.
Our body is literally so, as I'mmoving, the fascia in the body
is breaking off and reconnectingperfectly in different ways and
(45:32):
so like, say, I press thispoint on my body in between,
like the thumb and the hand, ora lot of people are familiar
with this point here when peoplethey have those bands that are
for, like motion sickness orseasickness.
It's like a wristband.
It has, like the bead that'sactually pressing on an
acupuncture point that relatesto the digestion.
(45:54):
So to get back to the fascia,you can think about it like with
the meridians and withacupuncture, to go into how it
works or massage, even to gointo your field.
One area of the body affectsothers.
So if you are on a crowdedtrain and everybody is shoulder
(46:14):
to shoulder, if one person moveon the train it might cause a
whole reaction all the way downto the end of the train and our
bodies are the same way.
So you can do a point in yourhand or in your foot and it can
affect, like headaches, oraffect a whole other area of the
(46:37):
body.
When we're looking at usingmeridians, we can do acupuncture
in the legs and those pointsrule the digestion.
But to get back to the meridians, we can look at it in terms of
like the muscular system andthere are, with the meridians,
specific meridians that relateto different muscle groups and a
(47:01):
lot of work that I do areactually working on the muscle
meridians.
Then we have the meridians forour chi and some of those may
relate on a physical level alonglike patterns where the nerves
go and it's not directly thenervous system.
But some of the meridians,especially in like the arms and
the legs, definitely travelalong like the median nerve, the
(47:25):
ulnar nerve, the radial nervewhere you see certain meridians.
But when they get to otherparts of the body that ulnar
nerve only goes from the neck tothe hand, but that meridian may
go all the way to the face ordown to the foot.
So part of it may hit some ofthose anatomical structures, but
(47:46):
it's not a full explanation ofit.
So, yes, the meridians dorelate to the nerves, they do
relate to the bones, they dorelate to the blood vessels,
they do relate to everything.
They do relate to everythingand the different meridians
connect the body as a whole, theskin to the flesh, the muscles,
(48:08):
the organs, the tendons, thejoints.
We use acupuncture to affect allof that.
One way you can look at it is,like you know, here on the East
Coast we have I-95, which goesfrom Maine north, as far as you
can go, all the way down theeastern seaboard to the tip of
Florida.
So we have, with acupuncture,the same thing.
(48:31):
We have some meridians thatstart on the inside, like the
bladder meridian, starts on theinside corner of the eye, goes
over the head, over the back ofthe head, down the back of the
neck, down the back, down thebehind the thighs, down behind
your calves and end all the wayon the corner of your pinky toe,
(48:52):
from the eyes, and there arepoints that I might do on the
ankle that affect the vision.
So, yeah, I don't know if thatanswers your question, but, um,
yeah, there's some explanationjust from a.
Uh, you know, then, with the,the meridians, it relates to, um
(49:13):
, our bioelectric energy okay,now let's go on the bioelectric
energy.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Can you explain that?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
So when you measure the frequency of the body, like,
our bodies have a certainelectric frequency and when I
talk about doing like electricstimulation, the machine that I
use specifically is has specificHertz one Hertz, two Hertz, 10,
all the way to like 100 or 200or something like that.
Each one of those Hertz, whenI'm doing using it with
(49:51):
acupuncture, stimulates thatfrequency in the body.
So when we talk about like ourdifferent endorphins, which are
our pain-relieving, feel-goodbiochemicals in the body, the
different hertz can stimulatethe release of different types
(50:13):
of endorphins.
There's some differentendorphins that are released at
two hertz and it's our body havethat actual frequency and it's
our body have that actualfrequency.
Like if we measure ourfrequency we have different
hertz.
So with acupuncture, when we onthe surface of our skin we have
(50:46):
sensors for heat, sensors fortemperature, sensors for pain
and acupuncture needles are verythin, very unlike a hypodermic
needle.
For some of our thinnestneedles you can fit like the tip
of 30 of them into, like thetip of a hypodermic needle.
That's how thin they are.
But when I puncture the skin itsends it's a micro trauma, like
a very small trauma, and whenwe're looking at it from a
biological explanation.
The body is like oh, somethingjust punctured the body.
(51:09):
More red blood cells come tothat area, more white blood
cells come to the area.
The body releases pain killingendorphins.
So they affect that area.
But because they've beenreleased into the body, they
actually have a global effect onthe body.
When you get a cut per se, thecut, that injury, changes the
(51:34):
frequency of the body whichstimulates the healing response.
So say, I'm not sure exactly,this is not it, but say your
frequency is at two Hertz.
When you get a cut in that areait's like 2.4 or five or
something like that.
The body's like oh, somethingjust happened Stimulates the
(51:55):
healing response.
It stops the bleeding in thatarea.
The cut closes, it scabs overit's healing and slowly the
electric frequency in that areawhere it's injured returns to
the regular frequency of thebody.
What happens sometimes?
Just finish.
What happens sometimes, even ifthat area is not completely
(52:20):
healed, is not completely healedand returns to the same
frequency.
Now you have a chroniccondition where the body isn't
even trying to heal itself.
So we come in with theacupuncture, we come in with the
massage to almost irritate thatarea a little bit, to
re-stimulate the healing process.
(52:40):
And that's again why we wantpeople to come in more
frequently once at the minimum,like once a week, if they can
come in to help the body tostimulate that healing response,
your internal healing response,to actually come to a more
complete form of healing.
And that's why it has thoselong-term effects for back pain
(53:02):
where even months later peoplestill feel better.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
OK, now let's say you get a cut right.
Your bio energetic field onthat cut goes up or down or
wherever it goes right, right,your overall bio electric field,
energetic field, does it go upor down?
(53:27):
The reason why I'm asking thatis because, from what I I've
noticed through like justexperience, every little thing
that happens to human beings,whether we know it or not, it
affects us and I think that itaffects our overall psyche and
(53:48):
whatever's going on internallyas far as organs et cetera.
So would you say that's true,or how do you see it?
Speaker 2 (53:57):
I mean, when you're talking about that bioelectric
field, that's when we can evenstart talking about qi, your
body's qi.
And so, excuse me, withacupuncture, we use the
acupunctures to help circulatethe qi through the meridians.
We supplement that qi and helpto regulate it, also with herbs,
not just strengthening it.
(54:17):
Sometimes it can be too muchand it can bring it down.
It can be dealing with heat,cold, the effects of emotions.
All of these different thingscan affect our body's chi.
And so there are differentthings.
The proper mindset, we knowmood can affect our chi.
You know they say folks whohave cancer or different issues,
(54:38):
if they watch comic relief andlaugh, they, they get better
faster.
Even when we talk about ametaphysical aspect, people that
are prayed for, they get betterfaster.
So you know, we can really takeit from the dense, dense level
of food, herbs all the way tomentality, affirmations, the
(55:02):
power of other people, otherpeople, group think, all of
these sorts of things nice, nice, nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Now, um, you said you implement meditation herbs,
qigong, uh, and of course,acupuncture.
Now, um, meditation.
Let's talk about that before weclose out.
Meditation what's the rightmeditation?
(55:32):
I hear like Tibetan meditationis the best, more thorough
meditation, from what I hear.
What would you say to that?
Speaker 2 (55:43):
The best meditation is the one you actually do.
Same thing like herbs.
People ask me what's the bestform of herbs?
I'm like the one that youactually take.
You know what I mean.
Like um, so relating it to thismedicine, you know, and they
and they all work.
You know what I mean.
That's like where do the bestherbs in the world grow?
It's the whole planet.
You know what I mean.
That's like where do the bestherbs in the world grow?
(56:04):
It's the whole planet.
You know what I mean.
There may be some herbs thatare wild, crafted, that grow in
the mountains and do all of that, but there's some herbs that
grow in your backyard and thingslike that.
And so the same thing, like themeditation that I do is
actually what even introduced meto this field, even before
going to school.
(56:26):
Dealing with, say, like Taoistmeditation, which again deals
with wood, fire, earth, metaland water, and using
visualization and intention totake all the different aspects
of those elements and putting itin the organ.
We can do a whole show on this.
(56:47):
So, say, we're in the fireelement right, which relates to
the energy of the heart and thesmall intestine.
The color for fire element isred, so you can meditate on the
color red with your heart andyour small intestine.
You have a healing sound whichis like a haw type of sound.
(57:09):
That haw doing that helps torelease negative energy, heat,
all sorts of things that may bein the heart.
In the heart we may want tomeditate on the affirmations of
love, joy and happiness.
The direction of the heart isthe south, so you may want to be
(57:30):
visualizing you're bringing theenergy of the south into the
heart.
The planet that rules the heartis Mars.
You want to meditate on theplanet, or visualizing the
planet Mars coming down throughyour crown and you know you root
it to the earth and there's awhole thing.
And you know the time of theheart meridian is 11 to 1, 11 am
(57:55):
to 1 pm in the day.
I also think about it in termsof, yeah, around that time and
then like high noon, and highnoon I relate to, like the
summer time of the year, wheresundown I relate to autumn.
You know midnight is winter,sunrise would be like spring.
(58:17):
So even every single day we'regoing through each of the
seasons of the year, throughoutthe different phases of the sun,
and that's just the fireelement and the wood element,
the metal element.
Each all have their own planet,all have their own direction,
taste, temperature, all of thedifferent correspondences,
(58:39):
different emotions, like for theheart.
We say that like bitterness, andsome people like we deal with
joy.
But when you see those peoplethat are like you know you're
like peace, they're like yo,like overhype.
We say that's imbalance in theheart, you want to be more
balanced.
So we want to take that andmeditate on the opposite of that
(59:01):
, which is like your love, joyand happiness.
And each organ has its positiveand negative emotion.
With Taoist medicine we dealwith focusing on the dantian,
which is almost like inTransformers, the Matrix,
optimus Prime and things thatwas literally like his
dantianian.
That's like pulling straightfrom ancient medicine.
(59:24):
And then we circulate theenergy up our back and down the
front in the microcosmic orbit.
I'm getting deep, connecting tothe earth, connecting to the,
the sun, moon, the stars andit's is.
It goes everywhere with it andall of these things help to
balance the body, help tostrengthen our body's
(59:47):
bioelectric field.
And then when we're doing thesethings along with the herbs,
along with and that's what I wasjust talking about is just
sitting, qigong, then you havedifferent movements that you can
do also that help with themovement and the circulation of
the body's chi throughout thedifferent meridians.
So you see it goes, the rabbithole goes, goes far right, far
(01:00:14):
and deep.
Yeah right, and those aremeditations that I do.
You know, like I'm in this, Ihave all those things memorized,
obviously, but, um, I'vedefinitely seen some strong
effects, like out of all thedifferent things that I've
studied.
You know, the Dallas meditationis real.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Gotcha, gotcha.
Well, on that note we're goingto close out.
Thank you all for showing upwatching our video, our health
and wellness video long timecoming.
If you could look through ourarchives, you can see that we
had a health and fitness segmentbefore and it just for some
(01:00:58):
reason it didn't work out.
Now we're back with the healthand wellness segment with the
doctor.
We will see y'all on the nexthealth and wellness video.
Like, comment, share, subscribeand we're out of here.
Peace, peace.
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