The Crip Jesus: From Streets to Enlightenment

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Everybody out.
There is ron brown lmt, thepeople's fitness professional,
alongside my co-host fever, andthis is and this is a New
Yorkers perspective we have thebrother Crip Jesus King L in the
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:06):
What's up awareness?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
that your awareness daily where you been bro.
Yeah man, he he been, he been.
Well, we kind of been off andon like lately, but uh, anyway,
let's get to it.
Uh, crib jesus in the building.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Peace, peace, let's, let's, uh, let's go straight
into it, brother before we do,though, man, I want to give you
know, honors to y'all.
Uh, I've been in the cutwatching y'all for a minute,
because you know I'm a fibercenter y'all one of the few
outlets that really let the guysspeak out, and I always felt
like you know when I'm doingenough, you know when I put
enough work in, I'll know whennyp how.

(01:43):
That you know, I mean, becausey'all at me, y'all got your own
lane.
If they feel like you're makingsome noise, they're going to
tap in.
I'm just really proud of evenmyself to be here, man.
It's like a milestone for me,believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I appreciate it, man, that's peace.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
For real.
Yo Crip Jesus, man.
I just want to let you know,man, we weren't expecting people
to really really be up on ashow like that, because we would
.
We just came in this joint witha pure heart and said, yo, we
want to do something for thepeople we did.
We did this and now we're going.
July will be year two of doingthis year, year two in july.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, we did it with pure intentions, man you know,
yep, no, funny business.
We, you know, we give everyonea chance to come up and speak,
you know indeed, indeed.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
So now let's uh talk about it.
Crib jesus, where are you from?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
yeah, I'm from los angeles, born and raised.
You know I'm saying uh, evenwhen I did the 15 years, I did
it out here.
You know, I know a lot ofpeople.
I hear different stories aboutmyself.
People say I'm from Detroit,I'm from the south, I'm from the
east coast and all in my.
I made all those places myhomes when I was out doing my
thing.
But I'm born and raised in LosAngeles.
Uh, from birth, all the way to.

(02:58):
Uh, I never even left really LAlike that until I went to
prison.
That's all throughout the state.
You know I'm saying uh, cameback to la.
You know I mean uh, really,peace to the guys.
You know joined the nations,what really got me hopping on
and off the planes and all that.
So, up until like 30 31, I'vebeen in la all my life and then

(03:20):
be in prison in california okay,so take us through your journey
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
So what part of Los Angeles are you from?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I'm from a Lamar park , uh like where they filmed baby
boy, uh parts of like boys inthe hood.
Really it's like the Crenshawdistrict.
But the Crenshaw district isreally like in the area.
The technical Crenshaw district, like the boxed in on the map,
is in the 50s and the 60sbetween Crenshaw and La Brea.
We're in the 40s betweenCrenshaw and La Brea but going

(03:53):
up the whole west side A coupledudes been kind of buzzing,
going viral.
I don't know if y'all into thattype of stuff like no Jumper
and all that.
A lot of them dudes are from myarea, oh, 4x yeah, you know
what I'm saying.
A lot of those dudes are fromout the 40s.
So it's a real big hood rightnext to Nipsey's area and we go

(04:19):
from like by the freeway all theway to the far west side.
So basically we kind of likeengulf, like the middle of la
that culture.
You know, like you hear aboutcompton and watch their one way,
you hear about the englewood,we're kind of like in the middle
of all that, got, you, got, you, got you but to say this,

(04:41):
though, I'm from lemur park,like my hood is giant.
So the part of my hood that I'mfrom is Leimert Park
specifically, which is a veryimportant part of LA culturally.
I know it's gang and all that,but my hood just happened to be
there.
When it comes to Leimert Park,like okay, yeah, we're there,
but even we respect Leimert Park, like it's like a no beefing

(05:03):
zone, right, I mean it's stillcrack, but you know what I mean.
Like we let the people come in.
It's a african trade markets,african drums, everybody out
there selling.
Uh, people like rizah islam isthe dr umar.
They just walk through on arandom.
It's beautiful bro.
We used to have a freestylefellowship out there.
That's where the diggable planscame up out of exhibit Exhibit,

(05:25):
all that.
So it's some real history.
The part of where I'm from.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Very.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
African-centric.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
So break down your head a little bit more.
What's the vibe like out there?
We always hear about the gangsand all that in all of these
different states, and I didn'treally want to make that the the
the highlight of today'spodcast, cause I know it's more
to our people than than justthat.
You know what I'm saying.
So in that area in particular,is it like like a Harlem Cause?

(05:57):
You know how Harlem is.
Harlem is like black Mecca, soto speak.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
You know what I'm saying no, that's exactly what
it is.
It's, this is this man.
I'm so glad you said like thatbecause I never I did the
interview shout out to cinemills.
I did an interview withcinemills where I was like, uh,
I'm gonna give you the threemeccas, as I see it.
I said for the midwest, themecca, detroit.
Right.
For the east mecca, like, likewe already know, right, the,

(06:22):
which is not just becausebecause the guys in the nation,
but Harlem is the black Mecca,whether it be for X, whether it
be for Garvey, whether it be youknow what I mean, we can go on
and on, whether it be on somestreet shit, the Purple City,
bumpy Johnson, all right.
But then for the West, right,which people know, because
there's not even so much aboutit being spoke on it, which

(06:45):
people know, because it's noteven so much about it being
spoke on.
It's like if I could take acamera and show you or when you
go through my stuff, you'llprobably know this now like, oh
yeah, he's always in this placecalled lemur.
You see all the art on the wall, you see the homies there.
At the same time you see partsof four extras video at lemur.
So it's like it is the blackmecca in la.
I can show you so many movieswhere you see like a
predominantly black park and itdon't look all run down like
most of the gang parks you seein LA.

(07:05):
They probably have Leimert,feel me, moesha, leimert Park, a
member of Girlfriends.
Remember they had all the blackUPN and all that Leimert Park
Love and Basketball, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Yeah, black influence in baldwinhills.

(07:27):
You come down from there youget more like a part of nipsey
hood, the 60s.
But that part that's calledoverhills because you know we go
by the numbers.
So the part that's calledoverhills is like going up
towards that.
So on my side in the 40s thepart that's called the avenues
is where all that blackinfluenceluency begins at.
That's why it's like the buttend between like, where the

(07:48):
gangs and the you know, like thejazz musician dude house, this
is where that kind of likeblends in.
Right, there, right.
And so, yeah, bro, uh, brothersand sisters own all the stores
there.
You can come down there and getreal fruit, real vegetables.
You can learn a lot.
You can get us where I got allthis copper and all this from.
You know I'm saying I got myline, the black illuminati.
You know I can go right downthere and sell.

(08:11):
You know I'm saying it evenhelps economically.
You don't got to really to bereal with you.
I built this whole crypt jesusthing off of lemur.
Beyond the fact that I'm fromlemur, this part, my personality
, that was the first uh nucleusof people that would even take
that seriously.
You know what I'm saying okay,that's peace.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So, mike, you got any questions?
No, it's beautiful, I'm justlistening, all right.
So so now, how did you get intobeing at lemo?
I don't know if I'm pronouncingit correctly, but lemur lemur,
lemur, lemur yeah, you everheard a rapper named dom kennedy
?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
yeah, yeah, he called himself the lemur park legend.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
So he oh, okay, okay, all right dope big blue planets
.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
They from out the way of black ips.
They started the murk wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
So being Leimert is what it is as far as, like, the
black Mecca and the West coast.
Um, how, how do you balance theother side of the culture
though?
Like how, how has that dealtwith?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Well, what makes it crazy is that and I'm so glad
this conversation going in thisorder, cause I rarely get to
explain it in this way so thatpart of my personality is
natural, because I grew up inleimert park and also the crypt
part I'm from, I'm from rightthere.
You know I'm saying I thinkit's not like I'm from a hood,
that's somewhere else, that Ilive right there.

(09:36):
Like you know, I'm saying I'mfrom the crypts, right there.
You know I'm trying to say likeI'm from 40s, right there.
So it's like that's part of mypersonality.
You get what I'm saying.
Like the right, there's peoplethat come to the murk that don't
necessarily live right there.
If you're saying it's a central, it's a center.
So if, if it makes sense, likethe, the weed dude in the murk,

(09:57):
is a dude that helped raise me,you got what I'm saying that the
, the hustler in the murk, is adude that helped raise me, yeah,
there, there's a store ownerthere too.
Like I lived in Leimert but Iwasn't born and raised in
Leimert, if you get what I'mtrying to say.
We moved to Leimert when I wasabout six or seven, somewhere up
in there.
You know what I mean.
So my mom, how do I explain it?

(10:28):
Like, basically, what I'mtrying to say is you have
different elements there, right?
So I didn't come from like anaffluent family that own a home
in Leimert and die.
You know, I said I come from thestruggle and all that.
We my mom got married, we movedto Leimert, so we brought that
mentality to Leimert.
That makes sense, like I.
That's why I tell people like Iit's hard for dudes to convince
me with their whole environmentthing and all that, because I'm

(10:48):
like it's true to a degree, butwho you are within your
environment is going to alwaysbe a determining factor.
That's a fact.
It's like we brought us and Iknow that from experiencing it
backwards, we brought a poorhood mentality to the hood does
that even make sense, like youget what I'm saying, like it's
crazy, it's like that's my hood.

(11:10):
But where we came from wasrougher than that.
We brought a mentality to lemurpark that basically attracted
us to the hustlers in the in thewrongdoers and the misfits in
the birth okay, so where wereyou before lemur?
uh, shit, we was all over, youknow.
I mean, uh, my grandma, in the30s we used to move around.

(11:32):
Uh, my grandpa and them in thehundreds, you feel I'm saying,
uh, we stayed like downtownsometime, like in hollywood,
like we moved all around beforeshe got married and we settled
there and I was basically raisedthere.
You feel I'm saying, but beforethat we kind of had like

(11:55):
nothing.
You know, I mean, so we broughtthat mentality there to where
the people in the area that weresimilar is who we gravitate
towards.
You know, I mean because it,because, even though my hood is,
my hood is real big, so thereare parts of the hood that's
exactly like how faux extra isdescribed.
So I'm just talking about myspecific blocks, you know.

(12:15):
I mean.
I mean, and where I stay atit's it's it's people there,
that's hood, but it's a mixture.
It's people there that own thehomes, it's people there that
own hood, but it's a mixture.
It's people there that own thehomes, it's people there that
own that jazz studio right there.
You feel what I'm saying andyou kind of pick and choose
where you're going to fall inline.
So what I'm saying is we, a lotof us that ended up gangbanging

(12:37):
in that area.
A lot of us had ties to youknow rougher parts of the city
and the hood and all that andkind of brought the mentality
over there, because Leimert Parkfor the most part is, like you
said, afrocentric, more like theNipsey Hussle type of vibe.
I'm going to say somethingLeimert Park for me is extremely
important.
Because Leimert Park for me isextremely important because I

(13:01):
joined the 5% Nation of Guys onEarth while I was in prison and
being I joined the 5% Nation ofGuys on Earth while I was in
prison, being that I grew up atLeimert, it made me feel like I
was doing nothing out theordinary or uncomfortable,
getting out and going back toLeimert and clicking up with the
guys.
Leimert is the center for theguys in LA.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
I have a question for that.
You mentioned that your peoplebrought that element out there.
Your background were yourpeople involved in the streets
as well.
You're not going to get intofull detail but running numbers.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
I just want to give you an honest answer On my dad's
side, right, my dad?
I'm going to give you an honestanswer.
If I brought my dad on thisshow, he would say he was
involved in streets.
I would tell him to get thefuck out of here, because I'm
Crip Jesus, I done.
Hopped off planes swingingcarbon 15s and shit I don't know

(14:01):
.
It's like the shit he going totalk about.
Ain't swinging carbon 15s andshit.
I don't know.
It's like the shit he gonnatalk about, I don't know.
So it's like I feel likeeverybody have their different
degree or level to how theyunderstand it within their
framework of their time.
So I would say no, because Idon't know my father to have no
ties I'm aware of, but he tellshis little stories or whatever.

(14:22):
I've gone as far as to beinitiating something done, 15
years in prison and stuff likethat.
So I wouldn't consider myfather being a street person.
But my dad's side of the familyis big bro and you best believe
I got gangsta uncles and all ofthat, so I can't take that away
from him.
So that same mentality I'mtalking about, I guess you know

(14:46):
to a degree.
Uh, I would say for mepersonally, though, god just
being 100 with the crowd and notholding nothing back so they
can understand.
You know, we all come from thesedifferent places.
Uh, my own, you know, I'm likethe average.
You know, brother, uh, I wasraised mostly by my mother.
So when I say we brought theelement over here, I'm talking

(15:06):
about my mom and us.
My dad didn't come over herewith us.
My dad, he never lived a murderday in his life, but I answered
it that way and the reason.
So I'm still talking about mymentality.
So my mom's side, my mom, likefrom the streets how do I

(15:30):
explain it, bro?
Like, when we say streets, alot of us mean like gangs or
crime.
You know, I don't know my momto be like coming from some
crime, family or crime.
You know, I mean like that, butshe for sure was like you know.
You know, my mom's parents diedwhen she was young.
She was giving up.
At birth, you felt she didn'treally have nobody, so she was
sure it was outside.
She was sure it was, you know,getting their hands into
whatever you know I mean.

(15:50):
And my mom, when she gotmarried and we came over there.
She was getting hot.
So it was like and that beinglike right up the street from
the hood hood that you get whatI'm trying to say now like we
turned the block out.
Like everybody's coming overhere to hang out.
You know what I'm saying like.
So when you bring that element,it don't matter where you at.
That's why a lot of theserappers and celebrities that we

(16:11):
look up to, a lot of them isjust trap houses in the middle
of a suburb got you and that'sreal so now, um, when you got
put on let's, let's about thatwhen you got put onto a hood,
what age were you at that time?
So when I first.

(16:32):
So first I joined the clique,and that's when I was 15.
Then I got put on the hood whenI was 16, going to 17.
And then, right when I got puton, I caught my case 17.
And then, right when I got puton, I caught my case like a few
weeks after I was just turned 17and I was in prison all the way
till 30.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Damn okay, wow, alright, there's a whole bunch
of history in that.
I don't know if you want tounpack that on this show, it's
up to you.
But you know, maybe we can dothat another time.
But I would like to know aboutthat experience, like going into

(17:13):
prison at 17 excuse me, at 17years old.
I mean, what was that?
Like?
I mean, that was your first bid, right?

Speaker 4 (17:23):
yeah.
So I caught the case in 17.
I fought it.
I was trying to get tried as ajuvenile.
They wanted to try me as anadult and they ended up winning
and trying me as an adult andthat took about a year.
They did that on purposebecause they see I was going to
turn 18.
So by the time they tried me asan adult, I was 18 anyway.
It just that the chargehappened when I was 17.
You know it's a play.
So after that they tried me asan adult.

(17:44):
I was 18 anyway.
It's just that the chargehappened when I was 17.
You know it's a play.
So after that they sentenced meand sent me up the way at 18.
So, yeah, I was in the prison.
I was in the prison at 18 witha 15-year sentence, but I
basically I gave up.
It was like that's why you knowthe Crypt Jesus thing is
incredible because, like I breakdown in the book, you know I

(18:04):
got my book, the blue Bible.
I hear that basically all theinformation I got.
You know it's not that I'mtrying to endorse gangs or
prisons and no shit like that.
I'm showing that Allah has seenand heard in all worlds.
So when they glamorize thiscrap to you.
I can tell you from firsthandexperience.
Even within that world, theonly ones that made it is those

(18:24):
that was righteous, those thatwas on a square and those that
understood knowledge itself.
You feel what I'm saying?
So that's where I got knowledgeitself from the prisoners, from
the, the fellow jailsmen, fromthe uh, the gang bangers who've
seen oh you, oh you percent.
Now, all right, I'm.
You know you were stoned, webeef crips and stoned buzz but
wait, we got to back up.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
We got to back up because this is a lot right here
.
So hold on you, you get.
So when you got put on in thehood, right, I don't know how it
goes, because my whole life,well, practically my whole life
I've been into into these, rightso 16 years old I became, I've
joined the 5% Nation, right so,pcu.

(19:08):
Now, when you got put onto thehood, what was it like?
Did you have to scrap?
You had to fight a couplepeople.
How did that go down?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's a good one.
You gotta fight.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You gotta fight a group of people now, now I know
now not in new york there's alot of bloods and things like
that, so we're familiar with theblood culture where they have
to fight like 31 seconds 31seconds the crips too.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
60 seconds out here it's not.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
No, it's not a set time, that's just each of the
guys different time.
None of this stuff isprofessional how they want to
paint it on these documentariesor how even people explain it.
It's all just a bunch of peoplemaking up stuff.
You got some people that callthemselves Bloods, that go for
this many seconds, go for thatmany seconds.
Then you got some dude comeover here, some smoker dude that
dropped out of school.

(19:59):
Now you want to feel like yougot power, power.
So you got him, a group ofteenagers, and say you know, now
it's 18 seconds or whatever youknow.
I mean, like you'd be surprised, bro.
Like when you go behind thescenes it's like oh yeah, it's,
it's, it's 31 seconds, but wegot to it with them so we
changed it to 29 seconds andit's just a bunch of like in la.
It's none of that.
Don't do any of that, becauseright here it's real.

(20:20):
So your gang is like your family, basically like it's where you
grew up and stuff.
Like you know, I'm saying it'snot, it's not that's.
That would be like silly to us.
Like, like you got certainmexican like gang rules where
they might be like you'regetting the dp for this many
seconds.
The mexicans, more, do thatlike, uh you, we have stuff like
that, but it's not like, it'slike a formality.

(20:43):
Like you just, finna, get yourass whooped, alright.
Like you might be known in thearea, dudes might be scared of
you.
You might not have to do thatmuch, you might be not known at
all and we finna whoop your ass.
And then you, finna, come backtomorrow and be like I'm
whoopty-whoop real in LA.
We might whoop your ass.
You're not even from the hood,see, that's all that

(21:05):
professional stuff.
Gangbang is not real like that.
It's just a bunch of niggas.
I've seen dudes get whooped.
Okay, look at this I might hurtpeople's feelings, but I'm
going to go this far.
Was Nipsey from the 60s?
Yeah, right, but who killed him?
Okay, my point exactly.

(21:28):
It's not even real, bro.
Who hated him the most?
Who had the most problems withhim?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
I thought it goes this way.
Come on, bro, it's not realpredictable, it's unpredictable,
it's unpredictable no, actuallyit's predictable.
You go your hood, which a bunchof people that's into lower self
and into the bottom and intothe trash, and you show them
higher self and goodness and youand you don't stand on that all

(21:59):
the way.
You kind of flip-flop with itand tinker with it or you start
giving your zakat to them whatthey doing, their evil deeds and
all that stuff they doing withit.
Nah, bro, I hate to stand firmlike that, but I got to because
that's why I'm still here broyou know what I just told you in
california prison, bro.
I told you I defend to you incalifornia prison.
Bro, I don't got a scratch onme.
It ain't because I'm thehardest toughest, it ain't

(22:21):
because I'm the biggest killer,it's because, bro Allah has seen
and heard in all worlds.
I didn't go in there and say Idropped my flag, I'm Muslim.
Now, that's what they want.
That's what they want my storyto be.
That's why the homies hate me.
They want me to come out hereand say, said, I don't care, I
still knew all of y'all.

(22:41):
I'm really from the hood.
So what I'm going to say oh, ifsomebody do something to you,
I'm not going to participate.
Yeah, you still don't.
That shit you're talking isretarded.
I'll tell you to your face.
See, here's the thingEverybody's in.
See, the same thing thathappened with y'all with colors
in the yeah, it happened outhere too, while we was getting
gentrified.
It was dudes driving in fromother cities joining our hoods.

(23:07):
All that, bro, it's so fake.
Half these hoods are fake.
La dudes don't like when I getto talk in the real.
Half these videos are superfake.
They call each other and saymeet me on this block.
They all stand there and actlike they all pollute like they
all.
Stand there and act like theyall.
Pollute like they all likesuper deep in the hood.
Then when they drive off, it belike two niggas.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Nobody even live there can you quiet down out
there?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
please.
So check it out so now.
So there's no kind of likeformat, so to speak, with
getting put on.
You just get your ass, no no,no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
It depends on each group.
That's what I was saying.
Of course, each group is goingto set their format.
Like we, the 40s, you're goingto get put on.
You got to get put on by atleast four people, but I can
tell you dudes from my hood thatgot put on by one or two people
because his cousin was popular.
You know what I'm saying?
The four bad things you don'tknow no better.
Behind closed doors, the familymembers who really run the hood

(24:07):
.
We do what we want to do.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, in other states itprobably ain't got to that level
yet, but it has though, becauseI've kicked it in other states,
other states it's actually waylooser.
I'm going to keep it real.

(24:30):
When you go out to new york andI'll say it on the show, a lot
of them dudes ain't never gotput on, they lying I'll walk
right up the dudes in new yorkand new jersey and slapped them
and said you ain't get put onand see them sit right there,
like not saying that.
No, let me calm down, not tosay like that's a new york, new
jersey thing.
I'm just saying I'veexperienced that in them spaces,
right, because my dudes out inNew York and New Jersey rock out
.
I'm not saying like that.
I'm saying like I've seen that,even out here too, though.

(24:51):
But I'm saying I've seen thatlike, this stuff is fake, bro,
and the more popular it gets onTV and the internet, the more
people are walking aroundemulating it, right, Even the
real ones.
It's crazy.
That may sound, think, butpeople don't say if your little
nephew, who you seen play thecomputer and nerds every day he
met some random dudes said, yeah, we're bloods.
And now he let them punch onhim and they come back and say

(25:12):
hey, uncle, I'm a blood.
You like me.
If you don't like it.
Really, if you wasn't born tothat or grew up with that, it's
all just tv.
And even if you grew up with it, it's just some brain
manipulation.
That ain't really what you is,so it's like hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I like that now.
Uh, so we went from that partright getting put on.
You went to prison.
Now who did you meet?
Meet as far as the 5% Nation.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, so my journey in prison was real, like I hate
to use this terminology butspooky in how it came about.
So you know, god, all themyears of being a natural born
God, I never knew what was evenbeing spoken about.
I'm not trying to drag theanswer out, but I'm just trying
to give it to you all the way,right.
So, like I told you, my brotherwas born in 77.

(26:08):
He spinned on the cardboard, hedid the graffiti, he, he had
the purple tape.
Oh, that's when we was talkingoff camera, remember.
I told you right, like, like,when you're talking about
different west coast, you know,old music was I rocked?
I was like was you know?
Yeah, because it's hip-hop.
But also there was West Coastunderground lyrical hip-hop back

(26:29):
then, dj Muggs, soul Assassins,oh right, yeah, yeah, raskass.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Raskass, a legend right there.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
My brother had me listening to all that right, so
uh what was the question?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
so how did you get, how did you get to the five
percent nation in prison?

Speaker 4 (26:48):
okay, part self.
Who did you?
Who did you meet?
Who did you meet?
So, part self, I had beenexposed to the lingo.
You know I'm saying like, like.
When it finally came to me itclicked like oh yeah.
So even when I was in my teens,I remember one time my mom's
brought a guy to the house.
I ain't know, I had knowledgeof self.
She brought me to the house andhe had the jacket and he wanted

(27:11):
me to wear the jacket because Iused to be rapping.
And she was like yeah, you canwear the jacket.
I was.
I was like I was like man,what's this symbol on the back?
Like, what's that?
Like, oh, this ain't fubu, thisain't.
This ain't Anichi, this ain't.
He was explaining to me what itmeant.
She stopped him.
Where is Bond?
She stopped him like he ain'tready for that, like what.
So when I saw the symbol laterit all came to me like what?

(27:35):
And I had a book called God'sEarth's 85ers.
I was in prison and where was Iat when I got that?
Uh, cmc fibers?
I was in prison.
Where was I at when I got thatCMC?
From there I went to SalinasValley.
That's Salinas Valley.
One of the homies from 30s fromHarlem Crip saw the book and

(27:56):
said, oh you messing with that.
I'm like, yeah, I know what'sup.
He's like you know MathMagazine.
I'm like I'm just like, yeah,yeah, they had a class at
Salinas Valley a guy named BornOut Loud not the Born Out Loud
everybody mostly know let meinterject real quick because I
got to get this off.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So would you say a lot of the 5%ers or some were
affiliated before getting intothe teachings.
Were affiliated with a gangbefore getting into the
teachings of the 5%.
So would you see more Crips andBloods who would fly the

(28:36):
universal flag.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Depending on the era.
So the further back, the more,the more, the more does it make
sense, like the like, when Imeet all the first born and all
of them they damn, they'realways in games.
Then you meet like the dudesfrom like the 80s and the 90s,
like yeah, majority.
Then, like now that we in the2000s, it's kind of like a hit
miss thing, like you may be whowas gang, they all come from

(29:01):
like the streets as far as, likeyou know the poverty or just
knowing what's up or whatever,you got something that you know.
But uh, that was more of amixed bag.
Some people are like hip-hopfans, some people are just
knowledge seekers.
They may even came from anaffluent family and know all
type of stuff and heard aboutthe guys because we've really
been putting in the work.
So you, you know you getdifferent crowds now but for

(29:22):
sure, like all my OGs, likeshout out, you know what I mean,
a lot of Dominique.
Shout out, you know BlackKnowledge.
You know.
Shout out, free Bar, you knowwhat I mean.
Like all of them.
Like, yeah, you know what Imean, minister.
Freedom all of them.
You know.
Knowledge Born all of them.
You know knowledge born all ofthem.
They come from.
You know certain elements, butI'm going to keep it real though

(29:45):
, bro, like me being a CryptGenius.
Once again, it's like it's hardfor me to answer the type of
questions because I'm biased.
It's like you know I see thestreets.
It's like you got to be all theway in.
You know I look at it.
Like everybody, you've seen thestreets as a myth.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Say that again.
Do you see the streets as amyth to a certain degree.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
The streets are real.
I'm talking about the.
What's that thing?
We was talking about the wholelittle gang.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Gang affiliation All right.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
No, the gang rules and gang formalities, Like no,
these are just dudes making upstuff.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
And one more question you mentioned about.
You know, back then I know alot of people were influenced by
the nation's teaching.
You know you had the Rakims youhad Rakim at the time and Big
Daddy Kane they used to see thesymbol in his videos and stuff
like that.
So you think that that's wherethe majority of them got the
influence from, or that theywere exposed to some of the
information due to the Nation ofIslam being out there, which

(30:43):
branched off into otherinformation for them?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
No, hell, no, no.
What happened was Father Allahpeace and blessings upon him
left the Nation of Islam in whatwas that?
1964?
He started the nation in 65.
And he started the nation in 65.
Basically, he went out andtaught.

(31:06):
He used math mags.
I used the same math mags thatthe father used.
He taught born students andtold all of them you got to
teach born students.
What that happens is for thosethat's listening that don't know
what born is, that's nine.
What happens is when you teachnine people, that's 10 people.
Now you ain't teaching ninepeople and being quiet all day,
so automatically the 10 of y'allbuilding is attracting all type

(31:29):
of people.
Then if they really stay onA-square and all go out and
teach boring people, that's ninemore 10-people ciphers.
That multiplies fast.
So what happened is when helaid that script down and they
followed that, while he was inMedellin teaching everybody in
the prisons, that built thefoundation of what would be the
five percent nation, which isstill the true foundation.

(31:51):
You see a lot of people on TVand walking around claiming they
guides, but when you reallylike, wait, Paul, I want to just
address the chat real quick.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
So I don't know if you said the nation was born in
65.
Mm hmm, I'm not sure 64.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
64.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
October, yeah, october 64.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, but I think this guy said something about 65
.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
I did say 65.
I said I said 64.
I said he was born and started65.
I threw that in there as well.
But my point was that I said Isaid 64 and I said he was born
and started 65.
I threw that in there as well.
My point was that I said heleft the nation of Islam in 64
and the nation was born in 65.
Then I said October, October,64 is when the nation was born.
Pardon me if I'm what I'msaying.
Is he left the NOI because thebrother mentioned?

(32:40):
He said do I believe it'sbecause let's keep it in context
, you know, do I believe it'sbecause the NOI is present or
because of Rakim's and hip-hop'spresence?

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Exactly that's what I said the fact.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Let me, if y'all don't mind, not to even plug,
but just to keep it.
Now we'll keep it on.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Plug it, plug it, plug it.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
The Blue Bible, right page 74 of the blue bible.
I did not discover thesemysteries via youtube or google.
They were revealed to me whilestudying the 120, 120 lessons.
The lessons were passed down tous by allah, the father, who

(33:20):
was initiated at the nation ofislam's temple number seven in
harlem, new york, under theauthority of malcolm x.
Student of elijah muhamMuhammad.
Leader of the nation of Islam.
Elijah's son, warif DeanMuhammad, took over the nation
in 1975.
He terminated the lessons andthe name nation of Islam.
It was Allah's five percentnation that carried on the

(33:43):
tradition of the lessons in NewYork and introduced them to
hip-hop artists like Rakim andWu-Tang during the 1980s.
So the gods taught them youknow what I'm saying Like they
really kind of I mean I lovethem, but they kind of mixed it
up later on and made it to wherenow we, like you, got niggas
talking about they drip God andyou know, coke God and all that.

(34:04):
But the gods, you know, thepeer is where he was, the moon
reflecting the light of the sun.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
You feel what I'm saying Now.
Before you go into that, now Iwant to ask this question,
because this question right hereis probably the most important
question when it pertains to the5% Nation who were the first
non-born in your area and whowas your educator and what is
your educator's root, or what'syour root?

Speaker 4 (34:33):
So my educator in prison?
I would say he was born, butwhen I got out and got an
official tree, my educator is ala Dominic right, whose educator
is, if I'm not mistaken, justLife, who's going back to Medina
right, but he's under just lifeand them are under the first
born out here who?

(34:55):
I don't know all their names,but I know it's born, just life.
You gotta I believe my king,you gotta damn I gotta line that
up.
But yeah, it's a, it's a.
It's a.
It's a because our, our firstborn is a little different.
Like LA was so dry, like ourfirst born started off with like

(35:16):
understanding guys.
Then you know, I mean, morecame later.
It kind of built throughout theyears makes sense, that makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
so your root comes from Medina.
So that means that you haveculture without freedom, you
have power without refinement.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Well, the beauty with me is I'm like a little weirder
of the story because I haveroots in Medina.
But, like I told you, I did 15years in prison.
I didn't even know the nationwas going in.
So by the time I got out, theguys that's from Medina that
taught Just Life and them andcame out here and laid down the
foundation.
It was with my enlightenment.
I wasn't around for that.
My Medina stories is still real, though.

(35:59):
I went out to Medina myself youknow what I'm saying, guy Black
knowledge.
I was born before he returnedand all that, went to Mecca
myself before he returned andall that, and went to Mecca
myself.
So I got my you know, andthat's my educator, you know
G-Body.
He made sure I did that.
He was like bro, it's cool tobe rooted, but you got to go
experience it yourself if youreally want to understand these

(36:19):
lessons.
So he is you kind of get whatI'm saying.
So it's like I have thatconnection.
But when I speak on Medina andI talk about certain guys, it's
really like the ones I walkedwith, because you know what I
mean.
Like I done been on.
You know what I mean, I done,been on Bed-Stuy, and all that
with Black Knowledge and them,you know.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Now, great answer.
Now this right here.
I thought this was importantbecause early on, this is where
I was trying to get at, becauseone thing I do know is if you're
born in a culture since a childand then you pick up another
culture, it's like you can'treally get rid of who you are.
So this brother right here saysum psa, either you true and

(37:05):
living or not, you can't beblood slash, crip and God.
How do you see that?

Speaker 4 (37:13):
yeah, you're right, I am true and living.
See what I see is somebodycaught up in titles.
You feel what I'm saying.
Like the guys know me, it'd bedifferent if I was just somebody
getting up on here that youjust wanted to interview.
You ain't put me up here for noreason, so it's like everybody
know what I'm on.
Crip Jesus is being presentedto the world with an EIN number
under it.
All that for over five yearsand there ain't one person

(37:36):
that's been a student of minethat turned a gangbanger.
You feel what I'm saying.
I got students that wrote books.
I got students that made music,mixing this gangster lingo with
this God body lingo andbreaking the new paradigm.
You feel I'm saying really I seeit as jealousy, you know I mean
with a lot of the guys.
I mean a lot of guys.

(37:56):
You know I mean be mad.
You know I'm gonna keep it real.
I never spoke on this live,right, it was guys calling up
there, uh to the school makingthreats when I went up there to
interview with f mega, likebecause they were trying to
gangbang, because you know, alot of the guys in new york was
bloods and they still secretlybe keeping their affiliations.
But what's wrong with that?
So what y'all don't know?
Out here in la, we ain't eventripping off that, you living

(38:18):
off of tv.
But you claiming you got,though, you feel I'm saying like
that's crazy, you feel me?
So the whole point of why allahchose me, you feel I'm saying my
arm, legs and heads chose me togo and do this mission, is I'm
I'm the only person I know.
Am I even my enlightener tellyou?
You know?
I mean, who else didn't walkthrough all them chambers?
I didn't.
I didn't, I didn't learn aboutthe moors because I said, oh, I

(38:41):
like prophet noah drew ali, Iwant to hear about this stuff.
I was in prison spitting the120.
I already had my born, bornfruit in, walking in laps with
me and all the blood is like man.
So they start coming down withtheir paperwork revealing us
what they on, they telling ustheir own stuff because they
respect us as real, true andliving guys.

(39:02):
They hearing Shabazz, theyhearing Asiatic, they like yeah,
but you wouldn't know thatunless you.
It's like you couldn't go up toa, a Sunni Muslim, and talk
about certain stuff unless hesee you a certain way.
Everybody had their owninitiation, even if you were
blood.
If, if I'm a crip and I knowyou were blood, I'll have a

(39:23):
certain gang conversation withyou, I wouldn't have with it.
You get what I'm saying, soit's with it.
If I meet one of the brotherswho say they comedic, or you 5%,
yeah, we gods, we have a longconversation.
As, being gods, we talk aboutdifferent health things and how
we see women and how they dress.
Yes, brother, see, the thing ishow, in 2025, these Negroes,

(39:45):
black and colored, want to keepthese divisions up.
Everybody want to say this ismy follower.
I follow Father Allah.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
That's it, or.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
I follow Elijah Muhammad.
Oh, I follow Prophet, bro.
That was 100 years ago.
All them groups were saying thesame thing.
We on Google now, bro, all themgroups were saying the same
thing.
Stop that sound.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yo brother, people are so stuck on titles, they so
divided.
I said it's one house with manydifferent rooms.
We all seek knowledge and light, so why the division?

Speaker 4 (40:13):
You know what's wrong about that brother and I don't
know who he is.
I don't want to bedisrespectful, but I've traveled
through all four corners of thenation, as my enlightenment
made me right.
I've met crip gods yes, godswho hang in crip neighborhoods
and make sure stuff goesstraight and make sure you know
being teached and all that.
I've met blood gods yes, guysthat come from the blood nation,
who are still respected by thebloods, who still go to funerals

(40:35):
and wear their little red ragsand got sons from the gang and
all that and give them money andsay stop doing this and stop
doing that.
You want to think thateverybody from the gang is like
the tv character?

Speaker 1 (40:44):
that's hold on.
I think I rosh Allah, god body.
You use that.
Now I don't have a problem withthe God body terminology but
for what I learned, for what Iknow, I could be wrong.
God body is a terminology thatcame from prison.
The 5% nation at a certainpoint wasn't really using that

(41:06):
like that and that's not reallyused loosely.
Well, that is used loosely.
That's not like a part of thelingo, so to speak, among the
five percent of the true, thetrue living, uh, gods and earths
.
People mention it, peoplemention.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
It's the best episode .
Hey, hold on.
Hey, hey, where's this is?
This was meant to happen rightnow.
What you just said, g, you saidgod body is not part of our
terminology.
I got the original God body.
I don't know if he want to beon the phone.
I got the original God body onthe phone right here Now.
He's not the original God body,he's the original G body, but
it's an error thing.
It's an error thing.

(41:42):
No, we know Rasul Allah.
Tell him God personally knowRasul Allah Ain't no beef Huh.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Oh, you know him, you know that brother.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
No, the guy, I know him, allah Dominic.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Oh, okay, okay, I know the guy, that's the old guy
.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
My Rob Bell Supreme 7 .
I love.
Yeah, this is my enlightenerAllah.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Dominic Peace, god, peace, god, peace, god.
I bet the phone kind of low.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
I'm going to call you on this other phone, guys, so
you be louder.
You mind getting an interview?
He asked me about the god bodyterminology give him some
history.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
He said he don't know .

Speaker 4 (42:15):
That's why I said nah , nah what you're saying is
right, but here's the thing wenever got a response from the
actual god body people.
It's always the gods and theysay they don't exist.
We don't recognize it.
It be some older gods and wenot stupid out here.
We know, we know.
We got cousins and uncles andpeople walking all through our
hood saying God, buddy, where'dthey come from?
So so here's the thing.

(42:37):
In that nineties era let's keepit real, I'm Crip Jesus.
So in the nineties era, whenyou had your Nas and AZs and
dudes riding down the street andthey Lexus selling crack saying
peace, god.
Some of them don't even got 120.
Some of them ain't evenofficial nation, but they all
deal with somebody that is thisis the God body type of right we

(42:57):
ain't.
We're not gonna lie right.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it was
.
It made it it was.
It was loosely used back in thedays in the 90s.
I'm about to show you something, guy.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Rap, lingo and all that.
Yeah, I'm about to show yousomething, guy.
I'm about to show you something, guy.
Them kids grew up.
Yeah, that uncle that soldcrack his little nephews that he
taught.
They grew up what you going totell them?
They ain't street.
You going to tell them theyain't, guy.
They up to their uncle.

(43:32):
The guy by dude that came out ofprison, yeah, he.
So what happened is the godbody thing is real, bro.
And we talked to rasoon.
He said no, I get it, he just.
But we respect what he said.
He said I'm just giving thetrue history.
That's not the original lexicon, right, it is a street prison
thing.
But the the trick is we want toact like the gods ain't in the
streets, in prisons.
Ain't we the gods ourselves?
Ain't the majority of us in thestreets?
Yes, this is a thing, this isreal.

(43:54):
I wouldn't say the majority.
Okay, my bad, pardon yourself,but the majority of the street
people have found themselvescaught in prisons and gangs and
things of that nature.
Being at the 5% are the godsthat set to the side to be the
malik's and raise us out of thehells and teaching the pits of

(44:14):
hell.
Right, I'm saying I could neverget an initiation that's
recognized on the streets asofficial in prison from any
other group but the five percent, and for it to actually be
official where you can actuallypull me to the side.
Ask me my lightener, ask me thequestions.
You get what I'm saying like no.
So this, this, this system, wasput together for us.
If father allah suffered fortaking it out the temple and

(44:38):
doing what he did for us, that'smy jesus, that's my career,
jesus for sure, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
I didn't want to go on a tangent about the god body
terminology, but I'm just.
I'm just doing a knowledge tothis brother and the way he is,
his manner in which he is in thechat.
You know what I'm saying, butlet's move on to, oh, you
calling the brother again.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Well, let's see if he pick up.
If not, we move on.
Peace God.
I just want to make sure yourvoice was clear.
I think the other phone wasquiet, so you know I went on one
.
I don't want to go on too muchof a tangent, but they're just
asking about the G-Body.
Well, let them speak forthemselves.
What was y'all saying again?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
So what I was saying was the brother said gangster
lingo with God-body lingo, andthen when he said God-body, I
said, well, hold on, I justpicked up on that.
God body is not a terminology,it's like loosely used in a
nation, it's not like a mainthing, a main state in a culture

(45:42):
where this is a language thatis used constantly, with
everybody, with the majority.
That's what I was saying.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Okay, I can see that.
I mean I'm not in disagreementwith that.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I will say this because Bud brings rain, hell,
snow and earthquakes.
You know, this is a terminologyin which, when I came to the
East Coast, this is aterminology in which, when I
came to the East Coast, this isa terminology that 85ers use to
describe what a 5%er was.
Come on, they didn't know tosay nation of gods or earth, or

(46:25):
nation of 5%.
So they said, oh, I'm from LA.
Telling them, I'm God, oh, you,god, buddy.
So I took that term and coinedit.
So there's a whole lot ofbrothers in the nation that use
that.
Matter of fact, my name's Big GBody, I'm Big God Body and I'm
120.
I can take anybody through it.
Allah said let me tell yousomething.
I argued with the old God about12 Jews.
He told me don't use the 12Jews.
God bless his soul before hepassed away and he wrote a whole

(46:48):
degree on why the 12 Jewsweren't right and exact.
And some brothers use it, somedon't, but this is still
terminology in which brothers inthe nation use.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Me personally, I love the 12 Jews.
I love the 12 Jews.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
It's only don't use the 12 Jews.
See one thing Allah taught.
Allah said that we can't bescared to join other people's
organizations and create our ownorganizations.
So this God body thing is anorganization that I've named,
not a nation outside my own, butan organization.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
All right, so hold on , hold on, hold on.
I don't know if the God canhear me.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I'm going to keep it real.
When I was in New York, theguys that did call themselves
God body.
They didn't know 120.
I've never met a God in NewYork that agreed with that term
a new 120.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I coined it.
I'm 120.
Everybody around me is 120.
They coined it and the 85erslove it.
They understand it, even in LA,my brother, I'm God buddy, they
go oh, you're a 5%.
I'm like like like God.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
God, I don't know if he can hear me, but now he said
this brother, son of law, the 12Jews, is not right and exact.
No, he said it is right andexact, god.
I see it now I see it.
The 12 Jews is right and exact.
It's in 120.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
They're in the 120.
They're in the 120.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
They're in the 120.
But now look, because we onlygot 10 minutes, god call me.
We only got 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I understand.
I bear in mind that it's not acoin term so far as most of the
guys, but it's a coin term, it'sa word that's used, that's for
sure that's a fact.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
It's a coin term, it's a word that's used, that's
for sure, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
If the gods or the 85ers are using it, it's still a
coin word.
When somebody in New York hearthat peace, god, and they order
it, they go oh, that's a godbody.
Right right, right right, sothis is a term that's applied to
us whether I'm using it or an85er is using it to us whether
I'm using it or a 85er using it.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
I want to say, for me being under Allah's dominion,
for me, coming from the streetsoriginally, that's what I was
one of them, people whounderstood it as God body Gotcha
, and be the real version ofthat.
I feel like my last video wascalled God, body and Soul and
when you listen to it, the firstline is, as I remain conscious,

(49:12):
on this twenty four thousandeight hundred ninety six miles
circumference, it's a lot ofdudes who are arguing about God
body, who don't know that degree.
I open the verse up with adegree.
I'm sure, bro, we're not, we'renot playing with it over here.
We got that.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
But we say to that God body, street dynamic we, we,
we, we know them, them, we knowthem personally and we're here
to teach them, right?
Indeed, we don't, we don't, wedon't.
You know god, hold on hold on asecond.
We're gonna build on that.
We only got 10 minutes.
I want to go into.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
How did you get from the five percent teachings into
more science before we cut outso really, I go back to what I
was saying earlier there's nodivision between these specific
groups when, if you're reallyout here in these circles, y'all
could call it afrocentricconscious, whatever.
You're going to see the nationof islam, you're going to see

(50:00):
the five percent nation, you'regoing to see the nation of guys
and herbs, you're going to seethe more scientific, you're for
sure going to see some rostersand everybody else may come and
go, but these five things arelike our religions, based on
almost geography, less than ithas to do with, uh, the
different teachings or mother,it's kind of like where you were
at.
So me being in the streets andin the prisons, I'm gonna say it

(50:23):
again, there was no other groupthat I could be officially
initiated into being a consciousbrother in prison, except the
five anyway.
But when I was being initiateddoing my 120, we learned about
Haile Selassie, we learned aboutProphet Noble Durali.
So I have to say when it saysyou know why did we bring
Columbus, you know half originalman Columbus to this poor part
of planet Earth?

(50:43):
I knew that those were the Ninobrothers and the Morrison
brothers.
You know what I'm saying's.
My lightener shows me that yougot.
I'm saying when you know, whenme and dominic are talking about
you know why do we take thedevil?
You know I'm saying off thispart of the earth, we, we go
into that historical, into whatwar went down in yemen, what you
get.
I'm saying so it's like I firstcame across that.
Now, as far as the organization, I was literally driving down

(51:07):
normandy avenue in south Centraland saw a temple on 87th and
Normandy.
Then I went to DMECA with theguy hey, hold on before you go
there.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
What faction C Kirkman Bay or Millie Hill?

Speaker 4 (51:23):
nah neither neither it's uh, keanu Umar Bay Unity
Temple.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Uh, oh, okay so I'm thinking about somebody else.
It's a key new Omar Bay unitytemple.
Uh King, oh, okay, so I'mthinking about somebody else.
So, unity temple.
I forgot what faction that was,though, but uh okay.
So you went into that.
So you got your nationalitycard.
You claim to proclaim yournationality with them, brothers.
How long did it take you to geta nationality card in that
faction?

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Well, you get the card as soon as you proclaim.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Really.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
It's the same.
As soon as you proclaim thoughI'm saying you don't get it as
soon as you walk in I'm sayingas soon as you proclaim Whenever
you decide to proclaim you getyour card Right.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
So you didn't walk in there on the first day and say,
hey, I'm a Moor.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
I'm proclaiming my nationality.
Okay, that's what I mean.
That's why I say I'm the chosenone.
I thought we were Moors already.
I never knew until recentlythat there was an argument
amongst our people that theywere Moors.
I never knew that.
When I was a kid I was watchinga movie by Martin Lawrence with
my dad called Black Knight.
They kept calling him a Momoron through the movie.
My dad looked back at me andsaid you know what that means?
I said no.
He said it means black people.
Now, later on I learned aboutthe science of the word black,

(52:33):
but all my life I thought moreof it black people when I would
hear stories randomly in a TVshow or something about more
they talk about black people.
I just learned now I was likeno, the more the gods You're,
more that shit be blowing mymind when I be hearing people.
I'm not a Moor, I'm anAsian-Egyptian.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yo we need some gunshots for that.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Even the guys be getting mad.
I be like.
I thought we was the toughestMoors.
I thought we was the God-bodiedniggas.
I thought we was the scientiststhat taught the white man all
that they be like.
Don't count them.
Moors'd be like these dudes istripping.
One thing about the brother wejust had on the phone right,
he's the most important part ofthe group Because, like he said,
he admitted it.
He didn't go fake and say yeah,he said yo, no, yeah, it's the

(53:20):
street.
He said those dudes didn't evenhave 120.
We coined the term.
So it's the same thing withdealing with asiatics.
You're out here really movingaround.
You're not going to not runinto the boys.
You're not going to not.
So it's like either you dealwith it or you don't.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
So you didn't really go through a temple and like sit
in the temple for Fridays andSundays.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I didn't proclaim right away.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Okay, so basically.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
I'm going to keep it to you.
We're all in a cut.
We're not even going to play uphere.
So, as it says in the book, Iwas fresh out, I was still knee
deep in the streets.
I was still you know what Imean.
But I was like this I was inprison doing this.
So I wasn't going to just befake, like okay, I'm in the
streets, still the guy, you knowwhat I'm saying.
I still go on fridays and sendout mail to my students.

(54:10):
In prison, I still got food.
See, that's the beauty of thefive percent nation guys earth.
It's like something about it.
Like you could be full-fledgedin the streets and still
teaching, like even if you youknow I mean something about they
put that obligation on this.
So I was like trapped out.
You could hear the first songsI was making.
Like I was yeah, you know whatI mean, but I was still teaching

(54:30):
.
So, basically, going to thetemple on friday for me I didn't
proclaim my nationality foryears.
Going to the temple friday forme was my escape from the street
.
That was my first time to seesome women dressed up, nice,
that look like me.
That's covered up, that's intothe same thing.
I'm into the one, talk aboutegyptians and shit like that,

(54:51):
like you have this la, we'retalking about bros.
This ain't like probably outyour way, where it's like all
these beefing factions andeverybody deep and all that.
You know I'd be out there.
But I mean out there kind ofgetting like out here now though
, but out here though it's sodry with the knowledge, like for
me, going to the temple wasjust like I get dressed, I go
there.

(55:11):
I put on different dashikis, sothat started affecting how I
dressed in the streets.
I learned my uh, my first video.
Crips need jesus too.
I'm running through la with theuh, with the uh, with the
moroccan flag.
So what's cool with that's ared flag, right, and I'm a crip,
right.
So, bro, it's like all thesethings have always had a direct
effect on me.
So I always, always, yeah, Ipull up on the temple.

(55:31):
I always tell dudes, like, ifyou're in LA and you even know
about Morris signs, just pull upon the temple.
It ain't going to be a more.
You might want to come buy someoil, buy a dress, buy like, and
dudes be having such a icky,dicky feeling.
I'll be like I don't knowwhat's going on.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yo, I'm going to be real with you.
I'm going to say this publicly.
This is why I would rather justsupport, like with my hat, just
like this, no fez on.
I'd rather just support, giveyou some bread, move some boxes,
help.
You know, do security stufflike that I ain't even saying

(56:08):
that.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
No, look, because that's like charity.
I'm saying this real simple,and I hope people from la is
watching this and people that'sgoing to visit la.
You don't got like the moors atall.
Just forget the word more thefact that a person that's from
the same marginalized group asyou in america is doing
something positive.
And they selling oil, theyselling incense, they're selling

(56:29):
incense, they're sellingnatural.
I'm talking about the temple.
I'm mad.
I can't speak for every othertemple.
We have an actual brick andmortar.
I'm not talking about someniggas in their house scamming
people.
I know about those type ofmoors.
No sympathy for them.
I'm talking about this actualbrick and mortar.
On 87th and Normandy in SouthCentral Los Angeles we sell
clothes, food oil, sell clothes,food oil, incense, soap, herbs.

(56:53):
I can go on and on and on andon and on.
This sister got it going onCrystals and they'll go buy that
stuff from other people.
They'll go get their fencesfrom other people.
It's weird.
It's like who cares?
Forget charity.
We self-sufficient.
It's Islam.
We ain't no bums over here.
We don't need no handouts.
We're talking about why youwant to be fake.
I got my fans from a white guyLike what the hell?

(57:16):
Corny, corny A lot of theseconscious black people are corny
.
They go to the store and buyall their stuff from the white
people.
I went to the Morris TradingPost on 87th and normandy
because it was a trading post.
I didn't proclaim mynationality.
Up there for four years I spentmoney and hung out and tapped

(57:36):
in and supported them for years.
They ain't about no nationalityand getting brainwashed.
It's about supporting yourpeople.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Everybody want to argue okay, can you say that one
more time please?

Speaker 4 (57:47):
not about no cars getting brainwashed, uh,
learning how to break the lawand get away with it none of
this silly stuff people talkabout.
It's about supporting yourpeople.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Indeed Yo.
On that note, man, thank youfor coming out this evening.
I really appreciate you.
We'll build offline and formore of the mysteries.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
You know what I'm saying and the history tap in
for the blue bible.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Thank y'all for having me and we are out of here
.
Peace, brother.

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