July 7, 2025 • 54 mins
Why do you keep falling into the same patterns, even when you know they don't serve you? The answer lies deep within your brain's basal ganglia—the command center responsible for habit formation, your reward system, and the automatic behaviors that shape your daily life.
In this mind-expanding conversation with Dr. Paul Dyer, we dive into the fascinating neuroscience behind our habits. You'll discover how your brain creates behavioral patterns, why they're so difficult to change, and the critical difference between mindlessly repeating actions versus creating intentional, purpose-driven habits. Dr. Dyer breaks down complex neurological processes into practical understanding, revealing how it takes between 18 and 250 days to form a habit—and why some people can transform faster than others.
We explore the powerful role your environment plays in shaping your habits, particularly how observation and learning from others programmed many of your current behaviors. This understanding illuminates why children often mirror their parents' patterns and why surrounding yourself with the right influences becomes crucial for positive change. The conversation takes a particularly powerful turn when we examine how emotional triggers connect to habit loops and why some people become addicted to negative thinking patterns that release the same reward chemicals as other addictions.
Most importantly, you'll gain clarity on the difference between authentic self-awareness and simply going through motions. As Dr. Dyer emphasizes, without understanding why you do what you do, you remain trapped in unconscious programming with no real choice. But when you approach habit change with clear intention and purpose, you can rewire your neural pathways and transform your life. Whether you're struggling with unwanted behaviors or seeking to optimi
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
what's going on, everybody.
It's ron brown lmt, thepeople's fitness professional,
and we have dr paul dyer in thebuilding.
Uh, dr paul dyer leaves andcomes back because something's
going on with the sound.
Hopefully you guys liked thatlast show.
I'm pretty sure you had.
You did like that last show.
That last show was fire.
(00:31):
We had a Duke of Tears in thebuilding.
That was a great build Buildingon a lot of interesting
subjects.
Here we go.
We got Dr Paul Dyer back on,let's see, let's see what's
going on.
Here we go.
We got, uh, brother, uh, drpaul dyer back on.
Let's see, let's see what'sgoing on.
There we go, you hear me hey,hey what's going?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
on brother cut them off.
I hear you perfectly how youdoing great, great man.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Nice to see you, man, how you feel this evening.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Been doing good.
Been doing good.
You know, always keeping busywith trying to help people, help
people right.
That's what I do, you know,whether it be taking phone calls
or talking to people, or alwaysgetting asked about the science
of things, especially when itcomes to behavior.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Indeed, now, today we're talking about the
neuroscience of habits.
Why do you do what you do?
Pardon me, I'm tired.
Why do you do what you do?
All right, the neuroscience ofhabits.
So you know, all of us, we havelike a programming that we
(01:46):
follow every single day.
We, we repeat it, we repeat it,we repeat it and, um, you know,
I wanted to talk about how doesthat work and how to break
these programs.
So, if you can go into how, howdoes this work, these programs
work?
How, how does it, how, how dowe get into habits?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So, um, with this picture, behind me is literally
the um, the center part, um, thebasal ganglia is what it's
called and that controlsthinking, movement, emotions and
(02:29):
memory, right, so the reasonwhy that's important, to
understand where it is in thebrain, that it's happening, is
because after that, you know, wesay it could take between eight
it's been studied between 18days to 250 something days.
You can form a habit.
Some people can do it in 18.
(02:50):
Some people can do it in 200.
But roughly 18 daysconsistently.
You can form a habit dependingon the person.
And that's where it becomes,because we have to understand
how we learn Right.
Because we have to understandhow we learn right and we've
talked about that on these shows, about because of where we are,
(03:11):
who we are, how we think, whatwe were taught is how we learn.
Okay, that plays an importantpart on habits.
So, in layman's terms, you canalmost say if you don't have, as
(03:31):
an adult parent, if you don'thave good habits, your child
will never have good habits,because part of the learning as
a person does is by watching, bylistening.
Yes, sir, right.
(03:51):
So when we talk about thingslike neuroplasticity, which is
why we can change, because wecan grow different receptors and
connectors for the neurons,right.
But the environment is a strongteacher.
What you hear is a strongteacher.
(04:12):
All those things that getsinputted into the basal ganglia
creates a factor.
So that's why some people cannever have a habit.
Some people can have, and we'renot even talking about good or
(04:32):
bad.
Right, that's relative, becauseif it works for you, it's a
good habit for you, you know.
So good and bad is not what's agood habit, what's a bad habit.
I'm not even going to talkabout that because that's
personal, you know.
But we're just talking abouthabits.
So you may not be able to learna habit because of how you
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learn, who you are, what taughtyou and what your environment
was teaching you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes sir, yes sir right, yes, sir, yes sir.
So.
So the basal ganglia basically.
So.
So how does the base basalganglia get you used to pretty
much anything like form a habit?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
well, because so once you input, once you input it
like if you're doing somethingintentional obviously, like
brushing your teeth, and you doit at a certain time, right,
that information is always beingfed into that area, which gives
you you know, it releasesdifferent types of um
(05:45):
adrenalines, dopamine and allthis other stuff, because it's
the reward system too.
That's where your reward systemis Right.
We talked about, um, thepleasure center of the brain.
That's where this is Right.
So it's the reward system.
So I'm doing something, I'mgetting used to it, I release
all this.
It's a reward system, which iswhy it forms a habit, but with
(06:08):
your thoughts of I want to cleanmy teeth, so it becomes an
intentional purpose of whyyou're doing.
It releases those otherthoughts that goes through your
body, that habit.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay, check, check, check.
Now, one thing I was saying tomyself and I believe I said this
to my daughter and some otherpeople we got microfiber in is
that, you know, I want mychildren like, first of all,
both of my children.
(06:43):
They're like they do a lotright, so one speaks Spanish and
the other one's this, and thatthey do a lot of things.
They're like wise and ahead oftheir time, right.
But I want them to read alittle bit more.
And I said to myself, if theysee me reading more, naturally
(07:05):
they're going to start readingmore.
So it's funny that you saidthat.
So people pick up habits fromtheir environment, from the
people that they're mostinfluenced by.
If you will, would you say thatyeah?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Absolutely, absolutely.
And, like I said, whether youwant to form a habit or not, the
people around you are going togive you their habits Because
you're around them enough.
If you're around them enough,they're going to give you your
habit, whether it be talkingover someone, whatever, the
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habit is that you are familiarwith.
That's what you're going topick up Now.
You can also suggest and belike I would like for you to
read more.
How about read this book withme?
You can also be encouraging.
That helps people form a habit.
That's why trainers work right,helps people form a habit.
(08:06):
That's why trainers work right.
That's why, when people go totrainers or get taught something
so they can be better at it,they have a different mental
intention that I'm going tolisten so I can gain physical,
mental, emotional, whatever.
That's why they go with theintention to listen, so they can
gain the chemical releases thatsays, oh, I like this, I'm
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going to continue to do it,which we call a habit.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Got you, got you, got you.
How you doing, brother?
Hey, mikey.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So the neuroscience of habits.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So we talked about the bangloganglia.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Basal, pardon me, pardon me Basalganglia.
So we talked about thebasalganglia.
What else in the brain dealswith the habits, forming of
habits?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well, no, it doesn't.
So basically it goes becauseit's where it is.
Then it gets sent to thecerebral cortex, which allows
you to have those memories andconditions and stuff like that.
So it goes to the fore part ofyour brain.
So that's why things becomeactionable when people have a
habit Because now it's in thefore part of the brain.
So that's why it becomes.
Things become actionable whenpeople have a habit.
It's, it's becomes because it'snow it's in the fore part of
(09:27):
the brain.
But it gets all thoseinformation, gets filtered
through an emotional state,because that's part of the brain
that helps you develop emotions.
(09:47):
So habits trigger something.
It triggers something that youwant to receive.
Going back to the reward systemin the center part of the brain
will be called the pleasurecenter, which is why a habit is
formed.
Good or bad, this is what I'mused to.
Ie, he beats me.
(10:09):
This is why I keep dating thesame people.
I don't know why, but addiction, bad addiction, good addiction
all those are the same words ofhabits.
So whatever we are triggering,we receive and we want to do
that again.
That's why habits are formed.
(10:30):
Now, the other side of that is,if you're not consciously
knowing why you're forming ahabit.
It's almost like you're takinga gambling shoot, saying 50% of
this could be good, 50% is goingto be bad, but you have no
intention to it.
So it runs.
(10:50):
You, you're not even part of it.
You're not even part.
You don't even have self.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So this is when we start talking about the
unconscious mind.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Now, where would the unconscious mind be located?
I think we spoke about this awhile back you don't have, it's
not.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
We have not located consciousness.
And where it is, it's, it's, um, it's, it's, it's, it's.
We don't, we don't have a placefor it.
We don't like it's.
Oh, it's over there, it's overthere.
No, that's what science.
We don't have a place for it.
We don't like it.
Oh, it's over there, it's overthere.
No, that's what science.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We don't have consciousness, that's why it's
probably talked about in manydifferent ways and how and what
for?
Because it's a conversation ofthinking right.
It's a hypervisor, it's just aprogram that's just running on
its own.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, All right.
So now, when you have a habit,when you have a habit like a
strong habit, like, let's say,like smoking cigarettes, smoking
cigarettes is connected Now, asyou said, like connected to an
emotion.
Right Now that emotion is, youknow, I'm stressed and let me
(12:06):
smoke something to make me feelmore calm Right Now.
Does the amygdala play any partin this?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, absolutely does , because you know now you're
firing on where you derived,where did you develop this
emotion to X, whatever that isRight.
So you mentioned smoking.
I've watched my dad smoke.
(12:40):
I really love my dad.
He's like my hero.
I also saw him smoke when hewasn't.
He wasn't doing so well, whenhe was sad he would go smoke
over here.
It was a different type of look, the way he held the cigarette
right.
So when I'm sad, you knowyou're feeding all this into
(13:03):
your creation of the thought,the emotion to smoking.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, all right.
So now, how would you approachdealing with a client of yours
who's addicted to smoking andthey want to stop?
Would you take a look at theemotion?
Would you focus on the emotionfirst?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think you know, for me it's all of it.
Yeah, because triggers areeverything.
Triggers is what triggers iswhat fires information between
cell to cell, right, so you getthose triggers right, otherwise
they're going to just fire thesame thing and you're going to
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end up with the same fighting achemical need to do something.
We're talking about smoking,right?
And so we have to break down.
I have to teach.
I will teach you why the braindoes what it does, because just
knowing how to fix it isn'tenough for me.
(14:18):
I want you to be educated aboutyourself, so when it breaks
down, you can fix it again Rightabout yourself.
So when it breaks down, you canfix it again right.
So me telling you about why thebrain is, just why the brain is,
and then we, and then you canstart.
We can start asking thosequestions.
You know who created this foryou?
Did you create it?
(14:39):
And if you did, how did you doit?
Like you know your buildingblocks.
But if you, if come up withyour answers I don't know, this
is just how I learned it Thensomeone created it for you and
figure out that connection thereand then understand it, and
then you have a choice to breakit or keep it after
(15:01):
understanding it, right afterafter understanding, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So, so now, now that you stop, let's say you stop
also.
Another thing about smoking Irealize is is, uh, the taste,
the, the, the taste that yourbrain associates you know like
right, right, so it's.
It's like it also hand themouth.
(15:27):
Just that action, yeah thatcould be.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
All those things can be interpreted, it just can.
And then that you know, I thinkinterpretations can get a
little bit wonky and sidewaysand then things get out of hand
because we're misinterpretingthe interpretation and all this
other stuff.
But like for, but, with allsensations, you know, with all
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our senses, it affects why we dothe habit we do.
It affects why we do the habitwe do.
Whatever it is that the habityou have, it's all your senses
involved in that and how youcreated that attachment to doing
it is your habit, that's why?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
to change a habit, you have to rewire your thinking
.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
we also add on the chemical compound of nicotine,
the external stimulant that alsoalters right, right, but
because you can smoke and neverhave a cigarette with nicotine
in it, it's just straighttobacco.
So the taste of tobacco, and werecall that.
Now, really, it's a cigar whenit's thick enough, depending on
the pace, cigars anyway, butit's the taste it's.
(16:42):
It's a cigar when it's thickenough, depending on the pace,
cigars anyway, but it's thetaste.
It's like having a coffee tasteor a taste for Spanish rice.
Whatever, it's a taste.
You enjoy the taste.
The other stuff doesn't comewith it, the nicotine and the
other stuff that people put in,the other stuff that can cause
total addiction.
(17:03):
Yeah Right, addiction, yeahRight.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Okay, okay.
Now, if you had to break downsteps of forming a habit that
happened in the brain, how wouldyou break it down?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You know, like I said , it takes at least 18 days to
form a habit, right?
So you got to do something atleast 18 days in a row at a time
schedule before it kicks in.
That's the lowest right.
Again, some people have takenup to 250-something days to form
(17:39):
a habit.
So it's not just a time frame,it's me teaching them.
The one thing is to have intentand then start to do something.
If you have no intentions, ofpersonal intent, then it just
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being a good idea is not goingto work.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It has to be pleasurable.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You got to make, push yourself to make it become
pleasurable as you say when youattend right now it becomes hard
work now would you say, thehuman being is a, let's say, the
human being is a sophisticatedconglomeration of many different
(18:31):
habits.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
I think we again.
When you don't know who you are, again, when you don't know who
(19:01):
you are and why you do whateverit is you do, you may be a
conglomerate, but you're also adamage because you have no
understanding of why you are andwhy you do things.
That's where, that's wherewe're forcing you to think and
that's tough for people.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So if I had to ask, if you had to ask someone, who
are you?
You know when you ask thatquestion.
What kind of answers are you?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
You know when you ask that question what kind of
answers are you getting?
What do you mean?
That's the first thing thatcome out of my head.
What do you mean?
And I said that's veryimportant that you said that,
because you have no clue.
You have no clue.
You're even asking me what do Imean about who you are?
(19:52):
So your question alreadydictates you have no idea.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So that's a beginning .
Now, what if I have a bunch ofphilosophical answers, you know,
would that work?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
yeah, it does.
Just ask yourself, like, why doI do this?
And if you can't trace it backbetween something you created or
something your environmenttaught you and you don't know
the difference, then it's hardfor you to develop an intent,
(20:31):
because you may have never hadintention, you may have never
been taught how to developintention, would you say.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
The majority of the people are just walking without
any idea of who they are.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, I believe they are.
I really believe they don'tknow their intention or they've
never been taught intention, andI'm not talking about the
people who have been successful.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, go ahead.
Who have been successful?
I like that, I like that I.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
No, I was getting ready to sayI like how you're saying
intention, like I'mintentionally doing this for
this particular reason, asopposed to just running on a
treadmill.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Right Intention Purpose.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Purpose.
Why do you walk at the speedyou walk?
What is your reason?
Did you do it, yeah, but did yousay if I walk at this speed, I
move in this many distance inthis much time?
Did you calculate that yourself?
(21:51):
Did you figure that out andsaid that's what your intentions
are?
Or did you just realize thatother people walk fast and if
you walk fast you'll get therefaster?
But you don't really know howfast unless you do it this many
times.
See, what I mean.
Developing something is to havean idea why you're doing it, to
go back to figure out even thehabits you have now.
(22:14):
Was it something you developedor was it something that was
taught to you?
Either one could be good or bad.
Like I said, this is not aboutgood habits or bad habits.
It's just how did you get to?
Why you?
Why do you do the things you do?
Understand that about yourself?
That's when I ask about, whenyou ask someone who are you, do
(22:37):
you understand your things?
And that takes a lot of thoughtand questioning themselves,
because they're going to comeacross things bad they're like.
That's why I do that.
Once you get there, to thatpinnacle, to that apex, you have
a choice to continue or not.
(22:58):
But if you never thought aboutyour understanding of why it is
that you do that you never havea choice, so you're always just
with the mob rules or what'semotionally driving you Right.
You don't have a thought in it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh man, oh man, you're a puppet, You're a puppet
in the what do they call it forthe puppet master?
The puppet master, like I'venoticed, like even myself, how I
used to eat, like it would belike, yeah, I'm eating healthy,
I'm eating healthy, I'm eatinghealthy, but it's just packaged
(23:48):
stuff that says it's healthy,right and so right, it's like,
yeah, health, healthy, right.
But then you turn it on theother side it's a bunch of it's
like a 20 different ingredients,preservatives no right right,
right and then all of a sudden,now, now I'm having I'm having
yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah go ahead.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Your point is exactly .
No one turns over the package.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No one's turning over the package.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It never comes up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No one's really assessing what they do before
they do it, as they say in the5% Nation, doing the knowledge.
I wonder if anyone on thecheck-in right now who's from
the 5% Nation.
Do you truly do the knowledge?
I want to know that.
Do you truly do the knowledgeright?
Doing the knowledge, accordingto the definition from the 5%
(24:42):
Nation, means to look, listen,observe, to know and also
respect.
Look, listen and observe.
That's doing the knowledgebefore what we say, the wisdom.
Wisdom means to apply.
Also, wisdom is the wise wordsThink before you speak, think
(25:04):
before you do.
So you know, right now I've beendoing a lot of doing the
knowledge and and it's reallyworking out of my favor because
I'm like, like I said, like Iwas just eating, eating, eating.
I'm like, yeah, I'm eatinghealthy, I'm working out lifting
weights, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're working out, working out
, running, running, running,running, running.
And then months later I pop upwith injury.
(25:27):
The next month I got a stomach.
Something's going on with mystomach.
The next month, my kneesomething happened.
Because I'm just training andI'm just eating, but I'm not
really putting any in-depththought behind everything that
I'm doing.
And now that I'm doing that, mylife is changing and I'm happy
(25:51):
about it.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Changing my habits.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Intention Intention, Intention Indeed.
So now um takes.
You said it takes us 18 days to200, some odd days to change
habit, being that we are aconglomeration, if you will, of
a bunch of different habits, howdo we yeah, yeah.
(26:19):
How do we take a step back andchip away at those, what they
say, rough edges?
How do we systematically chipaway at those rough edges and
remember we're also dealing withstrong passions and urges to
maintain these habits?
So how do we get past that part?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So how do we get past that part?
So it's a strong, it's a, it'sa, it's a, it is a strong.
You ask yourself the questionhow do I do this?
Why do I do it this way?
Right, without that's, it's theself-awareness.
(27:08):
Because you, now, you want to,now you're trying to figure out
what's a good habit, what's abad habit.
That's probably an easier listto make, right?
And you say I want to stop thebad habit.
But when you're want to stopthe bad habit, but when you're
trying to stop a bad habit, youhave to understand prior we call
the red flags what's thetrigger that takes.
(27:31):
That trigger takesself-sensitivity, of being
vulnerable to yourself and howsad you're going to realize why
you developed that habit.
Substituting that's somethingthat the strong mind, because of
social norms, has a hard timeletting people do.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I'm glad you mentioned that, dr Dyer, about
self-awareness and realizingsensitivity.
I'm going to keep it real.
I dealt with that with family,certain family members that I
choose, like once I address thesituation and I see it's no
longer changing.
I had to learn to withdrawmyself, control the narrative,
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because I realized if I allowyou to get to me your words,
your action, whatsoever, it'sgonna lead me.
I'm gonna allow you to lead medown the path.
Yeah, you know so.
I'm glad you said that.
It's self-awareness knowingyour sensitivity, knowing you as
we always say, your weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You gotta be honest with yourself what's funny about
what you said, mike, is thatthe people that, uh, that you
allow or not, that true, you'reallowing them to, you kind of.
You said that you're notallowing them to, or let's say
if you would, let's say if youwould allow them to take you
down that wrong path.
Guess what?
They're a victim to their ownbad habits, and now you are yeah
(28:56):
, exactly yeah yeah, yeah, somepeople will.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They will do it to you if you allow them to and, as
you said, consciously,subconsciously, they don't know
because they're, some of us, notraised with proper tools.
You know, some parents, no, butthe problem.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
But when you start getting the proper tools and
someone says you have to startlistening, it's not so much
listening to what the outsidevolume is is to listen to what
your inside volume is tellingyou what you're hearing.
Exactly that's listening whenyou want to listen go ahead.
(29:34):
No, no, I'm sorry so whensomeone says, are they listening
?
They're listening to probablywhat I'm saying, but are they
listening to the voice of howthey're interpreting it or what
they're understanding about it?
So it could be, instead offiltering it, it could be
actually clear and clean, right?
So listening is there's anequilibrium to this the outside
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and the inside and that's whatlistening is, because that's
when you get to understanding,because you understand how you
are with yourself and what youheard now, when I, when you're
saying, listening are, are youtalking about the inside voice?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Now, the inside voice is that intuition.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's genetics, it's a lot of history going on that's
firing inside your development,where you are, what's your
family life, your surroundings?
You're listening with all ofthat as a young person and as
you get older which is why youmake the change you start to ask
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yourself what I'm listening toexternally, does it match with
me internally and is it good forme?
So that's where all thosedifferent things are.
Most people it just matcheswith the internal because
they're so used to hearing it.
If you're used to hearing badlanguages in your household,
then of course it matches withwhat you do, because that's what
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your inside voice does too.
But if you make a choice ofsaying I don't want to use that,
then you have to realize, whenit's being said, what's also
being suggested to you in thevoice, which fires the same
chemical response that causesyou to go back to do the same
bad thing again.
You have to make that hardswitch, like Mikey said and says
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I'm removing myself from thisbecause I know it's going to
trigger all this differentactions which is going to make
me create the habit I don't wantto have.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I can love you from a distance Doesn't mean I hate
you.
I take my family in dosages,trust me.
After a few hours I'm out.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
That's why people have a hard time having a habit
for themselves.
They can go to someone andsomeone can tell them what to do
enough times and they'll keepthat habit.
I still think you know I don'tlike teaching people that way.
I have never taught people thatway.
(32:21):
I actually will say I'd ratherfor you to slow down on your
gains now so you can understandwhat I'm trying to tell you
about your intentionalconnection to what you're doing,
even when I see the problem islike I've worked with
professional athletes and theirintentions are so purposeful
they get so much more out of itbecause they're mentally there
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wanting to absorb everything yougive them so they can be better
.
Most people don't haveintentions in their lives for
something, in their lives forsomething.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know it's just go to work, get a paycheck, pay
the bills, go, you know, go onvacation, you know that's it,
that's it.
Now, how would you find?
Like people like that, theydon't have a purpose.
So, like me, I, I was fortunateenough, fortunate enough to
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find my purpose early on in mylife and I, and uh, no matter
what happened in life, I justcannot stop doing the things
that I'm doing right now, likethis, martial arts and all other
stuff that I do so.
you know, I feel like I found mypurpose early.
Now, what about those who feellike they don't have a purpose,
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or even thought of having apurpose?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We have to.
You know people around them orloved ones and people who you
know love, and you have tocreate an environment where
people can feel like they canlet go of their have-tos, to
start imagining.
Once you start imagining, onceyou start to become again
vulnerable to sensei.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's true what he said Imagination is important,
finding your purpose, purposeman being you and sensitivities
your plat, yeah, but and I'm nottalking about just something
you're you dr, poor guy you
Speaker 1 (34:32):
broke up.
You, yeah, yeah, whatever,whatever your stuff broke up.
So can we start from the top,from what you just said?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
So when you develop a purposeand intention, you develop a
passion for it.
So, like I was saying, evenwhen I work with athletes, for
athletes, their gains are somuch better and faster because
their intentions are there.
So they receive it, they absorbit and it just takes.
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For a person who's living in anenvironment that they didn't
create and they don't want to bein, their intentions is harder
to develop because they'relistening to all these other
noises.
It's just what, it's just theenvironment itself.
So you have to say I'm going todo this.
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Now you open up a spot withinyour consciousness, so now your
neural pathways can startreconnecting to form something
that you are creating.
That's good for you, that's it.
But you have to, you have todevelop that intention,
otherwise nothing will ever seepthrough.
No matter what information youare getting to try to be better,
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you won't be able to absorb itbecause your intentions were not
there.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Self-care, self-care, self-love.
Man, it's most important aboutthat indeed, indeed.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
So now, as far as um the uh basal ganglia habits, the
neuromuscular system andmovement, let's talk about that
and forming a habit withmovement Right.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
So, when all this is getting triggered, your nervous
system is also part of thismechanism that is happening.
That's why, when it comes tothe basal ganglia movement, it's
your nervous systems and allthat so yeah, so movement
introduces can start formulatingwhat you call what we know
muscle memory.
And that muscle memory has avoice inside of.
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This is what we do and this iswhat we need to do, to do well.
So it starts to have its own,you know, cellular voice to it.
So, like for me to get you knowyour body's going for me to get
better at this, so I'm going tosend those signals back up to
the brain.
So that's how that is.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay.
Okay Now, in order to form aphysical habit versus a?
It sounds kind of crazy, butI'm going to ask the question
anyway, but I think it's likekind of the same thing, but well
, maybe not.
So to change your psychologicalhabits versus your physical
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habits, is that a differentthing?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
No, it's not a different thing and it still
takes about just the same time.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
But wouldn't you say you still got to do something.
Because here's the difference.
Right, you tell someone to walka mile every day at three
o'clock.
The person does it.
Person A does it.
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Person B.
You say I want you to walk amile every day.
At this time, person B sayswhat type of walk do you want me
to do and what should I focuson?
What type of walk do you wantme to do and what should I focus
on?
Because of that intentionalaction, of what they want to get
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walking out of it, they'regoing to form those muscles that
you tell them to look forwardto their thigh muscles, the
contraction of the calf.
As you spring off the toe, like, keep your hips in line, keep
your chest up.
They're going to have moreresult than a person who's just
like you told me to walk everyday and they're just walking.
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That's the difference betweenthat person will form a habit.
Person A will form a habit,probably in 60 days.
Person B is going to form ahabit probably in 60 days.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Person B is going to form a habit, like in 18 days.
So you're saying, like thevisualization and the deeper
explanation, the descriptivepiece gets the visualization, I
would say, in the psyche andthen that's what makes it form a
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habit, right.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
That was your dog then.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
That was oh okay.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I've done that approach in school.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm going to graduate and justpush through.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Right, right, but that makes you form the habit
faster.
The other person probably willform a habit, but it'll take him
a very long time, that's all.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Okay, okay.
Now, as far as different typesof habits, would you say there
are different types of habits oris just habit and that's that?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, habit to habit.
Yeah, because morally, socially, however, you want to start to
impugn someone's perspectivesand beliefs and faiths.
Who are we to say what's a goodhabit, what's a bad habit?
And I don't care what you sayis bad.
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So you're saying, paul, if theydo fentanyl, you can argue that
that's a good habit.
I'm saying it's their habit,it's going to kill them, not me,
so it's not for me to judge.
This is a good habit, bad forme?
How about that?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
which brings me to my next question.
Mike, do you have any questions?
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I have all the questions tonight no, no, no, go
ahead, go ahead.
You're hype.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
So now can you be addicted to?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
negative thinking?
Absolutely, because it triggersthe same chemical response your
reward system is asking you for.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Wait, say that again, can you rewind?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
It's triggering the same chemical response that your
reward system in the basalganglia is asking for.
It just knows that you can getthe chemical I need to feel
euphoric, or whatever is that wenormally will do this or allow
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this.
So how you're doing it, thebrain doesn't care because,
remember, it doesn't have realeyes and ears.
It just has what the signalsyou're giving it okay, so you
can.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
You can very much be addicted to negative thinking.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Because it's a, it's a feeling,but if you don't ask yourself,
why you're addicted, but if younever ask yourself why am I, why
do I do?
I am so attracted to negativethinking.
If you never ask yourself that,you can never correct it.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Because you have no intention to change it.
You know, I'm going to try thisright now and I'm going to be
transparent.
I was addicted to negativethinking.
Negative uh, not necessarilynegative self talks, cause I
don't say I'm a piece of crap ornothing like that, or I'm bad
or I don't like this aboutmyself.
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You know I'm more, so go.
You know I'm the guy in the carwith the road rage and the fuck
you doing.
And BP, what are you doing?
Get out, you all.
You know, look at that guy overthere.
He's acting crazy, he's stupid.
You know, and I realize thatI'm actually talking to myself
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because, like, my psychology is,like my psyche, it's picking
all this stuff up, all thesetalks, all this information that
I'm spewing out, and I'mrecording this and I'm creating
a negative reality around myself.
So I'm saying all that to saylike, how would you, if I know
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that I'm creating this negativereality surrounding myself, how
do I continuously continue tobreak free of it and
continuously break free of it,being that I've been thinking
about thinking like this andhaving these talks for years?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
about thinking like this and talk, having these
talks for years, you say I amdone, and you and you, and then
you start to learn how to bedone.
That's it, because once youstart saying you know what, I
don't want to be like thisanymore, then you start reading,
you start listening inside out.
(44:20):
When I say listening, I meaninside out.
So when people hear saying DrDyer wants to know if you're
listening, listening to what theoutside is saying and listening
to what yourself is and how youare interpreting to it, right,
that's listening.
(44:41):
So you start to listen, youstart to inform and then you
start to change, because thenyou start to rewire your
thinking.
Rewire your thinking Newneurons, new this comes back to
neuroplasticity.
You start to reform differentpatterns, neural pathways of
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thinking, and that's how youchange.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
What about?
What would you say about peoplewho went through serious
catastrophic?
You know traumatic events andthey just can't get it out of
their minds and it keeps them ina loop I created.
I don't know if anyone elsecame out with this term, but in
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my mind one day I say oh shoot,we're caught in the like trauma
loops.
We're caught in like a traumaloop.
So it's like you know, you havethat trauma in the back of your
head.
You say something, uh, uh.
You're like oh, this person'sthat, you know this person's
this and this person's that.
Then you pick up your phone andthen you start looking at.
You know people fighting andthings like that.
(45:53):
You know what I'm saying.
So, like you know, how do youget off of that, off of that,
off of that?
Mm-hmm, yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
You know I was molested and I was saying I was
molested as a young boy.
I could have went on with thattrauma and kept it from me
having to try to have meaningfulconnections with other men, not
as molesters, but how myconnections were with women, but
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how my connections were withwomen.
If I kept that, I would havelet it destroy anything of
possibility of love that I couldever that I have received and
would encounter.
If I kept, if I physically keptthat saying this, this, this
right, all the time I made achoice and I didn't.
(46:55):
The answer is you have to makea choice and then this goes back
to habits Understand what youthink and how you created your
choice and why you're making it.
That's intention.
That's why people's liveschange when they become
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intentional.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Let's say I'm your client.
Something happened to me 20years ago.
I saw something that put me ina shell shock.
What would be the first right,what would be the first thing
you would do to treat me?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Well, let's say, recognize that trigger, embrace
that trigger and tear thattrigger apart, like why did you
trigger me?
Where did you originally comefrom?
Interrogate that trigger apart,like why did you trigger me?
Where did you originally comefrom?
Interrogate that trigger.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Okay, so you know what.
I'm going to be transparentright now with the show, before
we cut out, my sister died yearsago, right, so it happened out
of nowhere.
She was like everything to meand she got on the back of a
motorcycle and that was it.
(48:25):
But the whole experience behindit with, like you know, you
know, her clothing with blood onit, my mom screaming, like with
this girdling kind of scream,and, uh, the whole scene and
like how do I, how do I unpackthat?
(48:45):
Like you know what I mean?
It's like I'm, it's like I'mnot stuck at the in that time,
but that's a time that is sovivid.
It feels like it just happenedlike an hour ago and yeah,
You're still grieving.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
You're talking about grieving and there is no time
limit for periods of types ofgrieving.
So there's, you don't grieve.
You may.
People may think you grieveless, you have more of a
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stronger senses to the periodwhen you think of it, but you're
grieving.
That's not a habit to get over,because that's grieving, that's
mourning, that's yes.
The motorcycles even seeing amotorcycle with a woman on a
motorcycle makes me think of mysister.
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All those things are parts ofgrieving and that won't go away.
That's not something you stuckin, that's just something you're
just grieving, still through,right, that's so when it comes
down to it.
So, so, when it comes down tointentions, if you never asked
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me that questions, you wouldhave thought it was a bad habit
that you had to get over.
But that's where you ask thosequestions.
You get that clarity andunderstanding of is this this,
or is it this, this?
That's what you go in withintention.
That's why you were able to askthat question.
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That's why it's grieving, it'snot a habit.
So, yeah, so it were able toask that question.
That's why it's grieving, it'snot a habit.
So it's able to be cleared upfor you now.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I feel like getting on the motorcycle and riding a
motorcycle would help.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Kind of like me release this no, this is not
something that releases.
Like I said, this is grieving,this is not like a fear or
something like that.
If it goes into a fear, a habitcan be formed.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah, like I get paranoid, Right.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
That you can control with.
You're right getting on amotorcycle or doing those things
.
You're right getting on amotorcycle or doing those things
, but don't connect what itdeveloped you to do maybe into a
habit from grieving.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
And I think you hit on a great point then to say
that often when people are sad,they take that as a grieving,
mourning period and they turn itinto a habit of continuous
sadness.
Right, indeed, indeed, indeed,for sure.
So.
So, in a nutshell, intention,intention first, purpose and
forming a new habit.
Forming new habits.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
And it takes, like you said, 18 to 200, some odd
days.
However, through visualizationand practice, it may be shorter.
Yeah, all right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
I mean anything you consider to be the word.
Learning is indeed.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
And oh, man, mike, you just missed a a therapy
session, man, no no, no, I waslistening so I want to ask a
question.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I have a way of disconnecting certain things, dr
dyer.
Is that a?
Is that a?
Is that a habit?
Is that a bad habit?
Right there, when things getchaotic, I tend to that's your
habit.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
We'll end on that.
No, that's your habit.
It's your habit, it's what youwant.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I just disconnect completely.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
You know what I mean Good or bad, it's what you do.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I've been told I'm cold for doing that.
Is that cold?
On that note, thank you forcoming out this evening.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Dr Paul Dyer, we really appreciate you and we are
out in peace, peace, Peace.
what's going on, everybody.
It's ron brown lmt, thepeople's fitness professional,
and we have dr paul dyer in thebuilding.
Uh, dr paul dyer leaves andcomes back because something's
going on with the sound.
Hopefully you guys liked thatlast show.
I'm pretty sure you had.
You did like that last show.
That last show was fire.
(00:31):
We had a Duke of Tears in thebuilding.
That was a great build Buildingon a lot of interesting
subjects.
Here we go.
We got Dr Paul Dyer back on,let's see, let's see what's
going on.
Here we go.
We got, uh, brother, uh, drpaul dyer back on.
Let's see, let's see what'sgoing on.
There we go, you hear me hey,hey what's going?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
on brother cut them off.
I hear you perfectly how youdoing great, great man.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Nice to see you, man, how you feel this evening.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Been doing good.
Been doing good.
You know, always keeping busywith trying to help people, help
people right.
That's what I do, you know,whether it be taking phone calls
or talking to people, or alwaysgetting asked about the science
of things, especially when itcomes to behavior.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Indeed, now, today we're talking about the
neuroscience of habits.
Why do you do what you do?
Pardon me, I'm tired.
Why do you do what you do?
All right, the neuroscience ofhabits.
So you know, all of us, we havelike a programming that we
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follow every single day.
We, we repeat it, we repeat it,we repeat it and, um, you know,
I wanted to talk about how doesthat work and how to break
these programs.
So, if you can go into how, howdoes this work, these programs
work?
How, how does it, how, how dowe get into habits?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So, um, with this picture, behind me is literally
the um, the center part, um, thebasal ganglia is what it's
called and that controlsthinking, movement, emotions and
(02:29):
memory, right, so the reasonwhy that's important, to
understand where it is in thebrain, that it's happening, is
because after that, you know, wesay it could take between eight
it's been studied between 18days to 250 something days.
You can form a habit.
Some people can do it in 18.
(02:50):
Some people can do it in 200.
But roughly 18 daysconsistently.
You can form a habit dependingon the person.
And that's where it becomes,because we have to understand
how we learn Right.
Because we have to understandhow we learn right and we've
talked about that on these shows, about because of where we are,
(03:11):
who we are, how we think, whatwe were taught is how we learn.
Okay, that plays an importantpart on habits.
So, in layman's terms, you canalmost say if you don't have, as
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an adult parent, if you don'thave good habits, your child
will never have good habits,because part of the learning as
a person does is by watching, bylistening.
Yes, sir, right.
(03:51):
So when we talk about thingslike neuroplasticity, which is
why we can change, because wecan grow different receptors and
connectors for the neurons,right.
But the environment is a strongteacher.
What you hear is a strongteacher.
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All those things that getsinputted into the basal ganglia
creates a factor.
So that's why some people cannever have a habit.
Some people can have, and we'renot even talking about good or
(04:32):
bad.
Right, that's relative, becauseif it works for you, it's a
good habit for you, you know.
So good and bad is not what's agood habit, what's a bad habit.
I'm not even going to talkabout that because that's
personal, you know.
But we're just talking abouthabits.
So you may not be able to learna habit because of how you
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learn, who you are, what taughtyou and what your environment
was teaching you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes sir, yes sir right, yes, sir, yes sir.
So.
So the basal ganglia basically.
So.
So how does the base basalganglia get you used to pretty
much anything like form a habit?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
well, because so once you input, once you input it
like if you're doing somethingintentional obviously, like
brushing your teeth, and you doit at a certain time, right,
that information is always beingfed into that area, which gives
you you know, it releasesdifferent types of um
(05:45):
adrenalines, dopamine and allthis other stuff, because it's
the reward system too.
That's where your reward systemis Right.
We talked about, um, thepleasure center of the brain.
That's where this is Right.
So it's the reward system.
So I'm doing something, I'mgetting used to it, I release
all this.
It's a reward system, which iswhy it forms a habit, but with
(06:08):
your thoughts of I want to cleanmy teeth, so it becomes an
intentional purpose of whyyou're doing.
It releases those otherthoughts that goes through your
body, that habit.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay, check, check, check.
Now, one thing I was saying tomyself and I believe I said this
to my daughter and some otherpeople we got microfiber in is
that, you know, I want mychildren like, first of all,
both of my children.
(06:43):
They're like they do a lotright, so one speaks Spanish and
the other one's this, and thatthey do a lot of things.
They're like wise and ahead oftheir time, right.
But I want them to read alittle bit more.
And I said to myself, if theysee me reading more, naturally
(07:05):
they're going to start readingmore.
So it's funny that you saidthat.
So people pick up habits fromtheir environment, from the
people that they're mostinfluenced by.
If you will, would you say thatyeah?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Absolutely, absolutely.
And, like I said, whether youwant to form a habit or not, the
people around you are going togive you their habits Because
you're around them enough.
If you're around them enough,they're going to give you your
habit, whether it be talkingover someone, whatever, the
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habit is that you are familiarwith.
That's what you're going topick up Now.
You can also suggest and belike I would like for you to
read more.
How about read this book withme?
You can also be encouraging.
That helps people form a habit.
That's why trainers work right,helps people form a habit.
(08:06):
That's why trainers work right.
That's why, when people go totrainers or get taught something
so they can be better at it,they have a different mental
intention that I'm going tolisten so I can gain physical,
mental, emotional, whatever.
That's why they go with theintention to listen, so they can
gain the chemical releases thatsays, oh, I like this, I'm
(08:30):
going to continue to do it,which we call a habit.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Got you, got you, got you.
How you doing, brother?
Hey, mikey.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So the neuroscience of habits.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So we talked about the bangloganglia.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Basal, pardon me, pardon me Basalganglia.
So we talked about thebasalganglia.
What else in the brain dealswith the habits, forming of
habits?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well, no, it doesn't.
So basically it goes becauseit's where it is.
Then it gets sent to thecerebral cortex, which allows
you to have those memories andconditions and stuff like that.
So it goes to the fore part ofyour brain.
So that's why things becomeactionable when people have a
habit Because now it's in thefore part of the brain.
So that's why it becomes.
Things become actionable whenpeople have a habit.
It's, it's becomes because it'snow it's in the fore part of
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the brain.
But it gets all thoseinformation, gets filtered
through an emotional state,because that's part of the brain
that helps you develop emotions.
(09:47):
So habits trigger something.
It triggers something that youwant to receive.
Going back to the reward systemin the center part of the brain
will be called the pleasurecenter, which is why a habit is
formed.
Good or bad, this is what I'mused to.
Ie, he beats me.
(10:09):
This is why I keep dating thesame people.
I don't know why, but addiction, bad addiction, good addiction
all those are the same words ofhabits.
So whatever we are triggering,we receive and we want to do
that again.
That's why habits are formed.
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Now, the other side of that is,if you're not consciously
knowing why you're forming ahabit.
It's almost like you're takinga gambling shoot, saying 50% of
this could be good, 50% is goingto be bad, but you have no
intention to it.
So it runs.
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You, you're not even part of it.
You're not even part.
You don't even have self.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So this is when we start talking about the
unconscious mind.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Now, where would the unconscious mind be located?
I think we spoke about this awhile back you don't have, it's
not.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
We have not located consciousness.
And where it is, it's, it's, um, it's, it's, it's, it's.
We don't, we don't have a placefor it.
We don't like it's.
Oh, it's over there, it's overthere.
No, that's what science.
We don't have a place for it.
We don't like it.
Oh, it's over there, it's overthere.
No, that's what science.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We don't have consciousness, that's why it's
probably talked about in manydifferent ways and how and what
for?
Because it's a conversation ofthinking right.
It's a hypervisor, it's just aprogram that's just running on
its own.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, All right.
So now, when you have a habit,when you have a habit like a
strong habit, like, let's say,like smoking cigarettes, smoking
cigarettes is connected Now, asyou said, like connected to an
emotion.
Right Now that emotion is, youknow, I'm stressed and let me
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smoke something to make me feelmore calm Right Now.
Does the amygdala play any partin this?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, absolutely does , because you know now you're
firing on where you derived,where did you develop this
emotion to X, whatever that isRight.
So you mentioned smoking.
I've watched my dad smoke.
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I really love my dad.
He's like my hero.
I also saw him smoke when hewasn't.
He wasn't doing so well, whenhe was sad he would go smoke
over here.
It was a different type of look, the way he held the cigarette
right.
So when I'm sad, you knowyou're feeding all this into
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your creation of the thought,the emotion to smoking.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, all right.
So now, how would you approachdealing with a client of yours
who's addicted to smoking andthey want to stop?
Would you take a look at theemotion?
Would you focus on the emotionfirst?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think you know, for me it's all of it.
Yeah, because triggers areeverything.
Triggers is what triggers iswhat fires information between
cell to cell, right, so you getthose triggers right, otherwise
they're going to just fire thesame thing and you're going to
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end up with the same fighting achemical need to do something.
We're talking about smoking,right?
And so we have to break down.
I have to teach.
I will teach you why the braindoes what it does, because just
knowing how to fix it isn'tenough for me.
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I want you to be educated aboutyourself, so when it breaks
down, you can fix it again Rightabout yourself.
So when it breaks down, you canfix it again right.
So me telling you about why thebrain is, just why the brain is,
and then we, and then you canstart.
We can start asking thosequestions.
You know who created this foryou?
Did you create it?
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And if you did, how did you doit?
Like you know your buildingblocks.
But if you, if come up withyour answers I don't know, this
is just how I learned it Thensomeone created it for you and
figure out that connection thereand then understand it, and
then you have a choice to breakit or keep it after
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understanding it, right afterafter understanding, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So, so now, now that you stop, let's say you stop
also.
Another thing about smoking Irealize is is, uh, the taste,
the, the, the taste that yourbrain associates you know like
right, right, so it's.
It's like it also hand themouth.
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Just that action, yeah thatcould be.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
All those things can be interpreted, it just can.
And then that you know, I thinkinterpretations can get a
little bit wonky and sidewaysand then things get out of hand
because we're misinterpretingthe interpretation and all this
other stuff.
But like for, but, with allsensations, you know, with all
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our senses, it affects why we dothe habit we do.
It affects why we do the habitwe do.
Whatever it is that the habityou have, it's all your senses
involved in that and how youcreated that attachment to doing
it is your habit, that's why?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
to change a habit, you have to rewire your thinking
.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
we also add on the chemical compound of nicotine,
the external stimulant that alsoalters right, right, but
because you can smoke and neverhave a cigarette with nicotine
in it, it's just straighttobacco.
So the taste of tobacco, and werecall that.
Now, really, it's a cigar whenit's thick enough, depending on
the pace, cigars anyway, butit's the taste it's.
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It's a cigar when it's thickenough, depending on the pace,
cigars anyway, but it's thetaste.
It's like having a coffee tasteor a taste for Spanish rice.
Whatever, it's a taste.
You enjoy the taste.
The other stuff doesn't comewith it, the nicotine and the
other stuff that people put in,the other stuff that can cause
total addiction.
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Yeah Right, addiction, yeahRight.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Okay, okay.
Now, if you had to break downsteps of forming a habit that
happened in the brain, how wouldyou break it down?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You know, like I said , it takes at least 18 days to
form a habit, right?
So you got to do something atleast 18 days in a row at a time
schedule before it kicks in.
That's the lowest right.
Again, some people have takenup to 250-something days to form
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a habit.
So it's not just a time frame,it's me teaching them.
The one thing is to have intentand then start to do something.
If you have no intentions, ofpersonal intent, then it just
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being a good idea is not goingto work.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It has to be pleasurable.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You got to make, push yourself to make it become
pleasurable as you say when youattend right now it becomes hard
work now would you say, thehuman being is a, let's say, the
human being is a sophisticatedconglomeration of many different
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habits.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
I think we again.
When you don't know who you are, again, when you don't know who
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you are and why you do whateverit is you do, you may be a
conglomerate, but you're also adamage because you have no
understanding of why you are andwhy you do things.
That's where, that's wherewe're forcing you to think and
that's tough for people.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So if I had to ask, if you had to ask someone, who
are you?
You know when you ask thatquestion.
What kind of answers are you?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
You know when you ask that question what kind of
answers are you getting?
What do you mean?
That's the first thing thatcome out of my head.
What do you mean?
And I said that's veryimportant that you said that,
because you have no clue.
You have no clue.
You're even asking me what do Imean about who you are?
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So your question alreadydictates you have no idea.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So that's a beginning .
Now, what if I have a bunch ofphilosophical answers, you know,
would that work?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
yeah, it does.
Just ask yourself, like, why doI do this?
And if you can't trace it backbetween something you created or
something your environmenttaught you and you don't know
the difference, then it's hardfor you to develop an intent,
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because you may have never hadintention, you may have never
been taught how to developintention, would you say.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
The majority of the people are just walking without
any idea of who they are.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, I believe they are.
I really believe they don'tknow their intention or they've
never been taught intention, andI'm not talking about the
people who have been successful.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, go ahead.
Who have been successful?
I like that, I like that I.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
No, I was getting ready to sayI like how you're saying
intention, like I'mintentionally doing this for
this particular reason, asopposed to just running on a
treadmill.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Right Intention Purpose.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Purpose.
Why do you walk at the speedyou walk?
What is your reason?
Did you do it, yeah, but did yousay if I walk at this speed, I
move in this many distance inthis much time?
Did you calculate that yourself?
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Did you figure that out andsaid that's what your intentions
are?
Or did you just realize thatother people walk fast and if
you walk fast you'll get therefaster?
But you don't really know howfast unless you do it this many
times.
See, what I mean.
Developing something is to havean idea why you're doing it, to
go back to figure out even thehabits you have now.
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Was it something you developedor was it something that was
taught to you?
Either one could be good or bad.
Like I said, this is not aboutgood habits or bad habits.
It's just how did you get to?
Why you?
Why do you do the things you do?
Understand that about yourself?
That's when I ask about, whenyou ask someone who are you, do
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you understand your things?
And that takes a lot of thoughtand questioning themselves,
because they're going to comeacross things bad they're like.
That's why I do that.
Once you get there, to thatpinnacle, to that apex, you have
a choice to continue or not.
(22:58):
But if you never thought aboutyour understanding of why it is
that you do that you never havea choice, so you're always just
with the mob rules or what'semotionally driving you Right.
You don't have a thought in it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh man, oh man, you're a puppet, You're a puppet
in the what do they call it forthe puppet master?
The puppet master, like I'venoticed, like even myself, how I
used to eat, like it would belike, yeah, I'm eating healthy,
I'm eating healthy, I'm eatinghealthy, but it's just packaged
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stuff that says it's healthy,right and so right, it's like,
yeah, health, healthy, right.
But then you turn it on theother side it's a bunch of it's
like a 20 different ingredients,preservatives no right right,
right and then all of a sudden,now, now I'm having I'm having
yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah go ahead.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Your point is exactly .
No one turns over the package.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No one's turning over the package.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It never comes up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No one's really assessing what they do before
they do it, as they say in the5% Nation, doing the knowledge.
I wonder if anyone on thecheck-in right now who's from
the 5% Nation.
Do you truly do the knowledge?
I want to know that.
Do you truly do the knowledgeright?
Doing the knowledge, accordingto the definition from the 5%
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Nation, means to look, listen,observe, to know and also
respect.
Look, listen and observe.
That's doing the knowledgebefore what we say, the wisdom.
Wisdom means to apply.
Also, wisdom is the wise wordsThink before you speak, think
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before you do.
So you know, right now I've beendoing a lot of doing the
knowledge and and it's reallyworking out of my favor because
I'm like, like I said, like Iwas just eating, eating, eating.
I'm like, yeah, I'm eatinghealthy, I'm working out lifting
weights, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're working out, working out
, running, running, running,running, running.
And then months later I pop upwith injury.
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The next month I got a stomach.
Something's going on with mystomach.
The next month, my kneesomething happened.
Because I'm just training andI'm just eating, but I'm not
really putting any in-depththought behind everything that
I'm doing.
And now that I'm doing that, mylife is changing and I'm happy
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about it.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Changing my habits.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Intention Intention, Intention Indeed.
So now um takes.
You said it takes us 18 days to200, some odd days to change
habit, being that we are aconglomeration, if you will, of
a bunch of different habits, howdo we yeah, yeah.
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How do we take a step back andchip away at those, what they
say, rough edges?
How do we systematically chipaway at those rough edges and
remember we're also dealing withstrong passions and urges to
maintain these habits?
So how do we get past that part?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So how do we get past that part?
So it's a strong, it's a, it'sa, it's a, it is a strong.
You ask yourself the questionhow do I do this?
Why do I do it this way?
Right, without that's, it's theself-awareness.
(27:08):
Because you, now, you want to,now you're trying to figure out
what's a good habit, what's abad habit.
That's probably an easier listto make, right?
And you say I want to stop thebad habit.
But when you're want to stopthe bad habit, but when you're
trying to stop a bad habit, youhave to understand prior we call
the red flags what's thetrigger that takes.
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That trigger takesself-sensitivity, of being
vulnerable to yourself and howsad you're going to realize why
you developed that habit.
Substituting that's somethingthat the strong mind, because of
social norms, has a hard timeletting people do.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I'm glad you mentioned that, dr Dyer, about
self-awareness and realizingsensitivity.
I'm going to keep it real.
I dealt with that with family,certain family members that I
choose, like once I address thesituation and I see it's no
longer changing.
I had to learn to withdrawmyself, control the narrative,
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because I realized if I allowyou to get to me your words,
your action, whatsoever, it'sgonna lead me.
I'm gonna allow you to lead medown the path.
Yeah, you know so.
I'm glad you said that.
It's self-awareness knowingyour sensitivity, knowing you as
we always say, your weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You gotta be honest with yourself what's funny about
what you said, mike, is thatthe people that, uh, that you
allow or not, that true, you'reallowing them to, you kind of.
You said that you're notallowing them to, or let's say
if you would, let's say if youwould allow them to take you
down that wrong path.
Guess what?
They're a victim to their ownbad habits, and now you are yeah
(28:56):
, exactly yeah yeah, yeah, somepeople will.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They will do it to you if you allow them to and, as
you said, consciously,subconsciously, they don't know
because they're, some of us, notraised with proper tools.
You know, some parents, no, butthe problem.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
But when you start getting the proper tools and
someone says you have to startlistening, it's not so much
listening to what the outsidevolume is is to listen to what
your inside volume is tellingyou what you're hearing.
Exactly that's listening whenyou want to listen go ahead.
(29:34):
No, no, I'm sorry so whensomeone says, are they listening
?
They're listening to probablywhat I'm saying, but are they
listening to the voice of howthey're interpreting it or what
they're understanding about it?
So it could be, instead offiltering it, it could be
actually clear and clean, right?
So listening is there's anequilibrium to this the outside
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and the inside and that's whatlistening is, because that's
when you get to understanding,because you understand how you
are with yourself and what youheard now, when I, when you're
saying, listening are, are youtalking about the inside voice?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Now, the inside voice is that intuition.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's genetics, it's a lot of history going on that's
firing inside your development,where you are, what's your
family life, your surroundings?
You're listening with all ofthat as a young person and as
you get older which is why youmake the change you start to ask
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yourself what I'm listening toexternally, does it match with
me internally and is it good forme?
So that's where all thosedifferent things are.
Most people it just matcheswith the internal because
they're so used to hearing it.
If you're used to hearing badlanguages in your household,
then of course it matches withwhat you do, because that's what
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your inside voice does too.
But if you make a choice ofsaying I don't want to use that,
then you have to realize, whenit's being said, what's also
being suggested to you in thevoice, which fires the same
chemical response that causesyou to go back to do the same
bad thing again.
You have to make that hardswitch, like Mikey said and says
(31:30):
I'm removing myself from thisbecause I know it's going to
trigger all this differentactions which is going to make
me create the habit I don't wantto have.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I can love you from a distance Doesn't mean I hate
you.
I take my family in dosages,trust me.
After a few hours I'm out.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
That's why people have a hard time having a habit
for themselves.
They can go to someone andsomeone can tell them what to do
enough times and they'll keepthat habit.
I still think you know I don'tlike teaching people that way.
I have never taught people thatway.
(32:21):
I actually will say I'd ratherfor you to slow down on your
gains now so you can understandwhat I'm trying to tell you
about your intentionalconnection to what you're doing,
even when I see the problem islike I've worked with
professional athletes and theirintentions are so purposeful
they get so much more out of itbecause they're mentally there
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wanting to absorb everything yougive them so they can be better
.
Most people don't haveintentions in their lives for
something, in their lives forsomething.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know it's just go to work, get a paycheck, pay
the bills, go, you know, go onvacation, you know that's it,
that's it.
Now, how would you find?
Like people like that, theydon't have a purpose.
So, like me, I, I was fortunateenough, fortunate enough to
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find my purpose early on in mylife and I, and uh, no matter
what happened in life, I justcannot stop doing the things
that I'm doing right now, likethis, martial arts and all other
stuff that I do so.
you know, I feel like I found mypurpose early.
Now, what about those who feellike they don't have a purpose,
(33:47):
or even thought of having apurpose?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We have to.
You know people around them orloved ones and people who you
know love, and you have tocreate an environment where
people can feel like they canlet go of their have-tos, to
start imagining.
Once you start imagining, onceyou start to become again
vulnerable to sensei.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's true what he said Imagination is important,
finding your purpose, purposeman being you and sensitivities
your plat, yeah, but and I'm nottalking about just something
you're you dr, poor guy you
Speaker 1 (34:32):
broke up.
You, yeah, yeah, whatever,whatever your stuff broke up.
So can we start from the top,from what you just said?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
So when you develop a purposeand intention, you develop a
passion for it.
So, like I was saying, evenwhen I work with athletes, for
athletes, their gains are somuch better and faster because
their intentions are there.
So they receive it, they absorbit and it just takes.
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For a person who's living in anenvironment that they didn't
create and they don't want to bein, their intentions is harder
to develop because they'relistening to all these other
noises.
It's just what, it's just theenvironment itself.
So you have to say I'm going todo this.
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Now you open up a spot withinyour consciousness, so now your
neural pathways can startreconnecting to form something
that you are creating.
That's good for you, that's it.
But you have to, you have todevelop that intention,
otherwise nothing will ever seepthrough.
No matter what information youare getting to try to be better,
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you won't be able to absorb itbecause your intentions were not
there.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Self-care, self-care, self-love.
Man, it's most important aboutthat indeed, indeed.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
So now, as far as um the uh basal ganglia habits, the
neuromuscular system andmovement, let's talk about that
and forming a habit withmovement Right.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
So, when all this is getting triggered, your nervous
system is also part of thismechanism that is happening.
That's why, when it comes tothe basal ganglia movement, it's
your nervous systems and allthat so yeah, so movement
introduces can start formulatingwhat you call what we know
muscle memory.
And that muscle memory has avoice inside of.
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This is what we do and this iswhat we need to do, to do well.
So it starts to have its own,you know, cellular voice to it.
So, like for me to get you knowyour body's going for me to get
better at this, so I'm going tosend those signals back up to
the brain.
So that's how that is.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay.
Okay Now, in order to form aphysical habit versus a?
It sounds kind of crazy, butI'm going to ask the question
anyway, but I think it's likekind of the same thing, but well
, maybe not.
So to change your psychologicalhabits versus your physical
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habits, is that a differentthing?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
No, it's not a different thing and it still
takes about just the same time.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
But wouldn't you say you still got to do something.
Because here's the difference.
Right, you tell someone to walka mile every day at three
o'clock.
The person does it.
Person A does it.
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Person B.
You say I want you to walk amile every day.
At this time, person B sayswhat type of walk do you want me
to do and what should I focuson?
What type of walk do you wantme to do and what should I focus
on?
Because of that intentionalaction, of what they want to get
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walking out of it, they'regoing to form those muscles that
you tell them to look forwardto their thigh muscles, the
contraction of the calf.
As you spring off the toe, like, keep your hips in line, keep
your chest up.
They're going to have moreresult than a person who's just
like you told me to walk everyday and they're just walking.
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That's the difference betweenthat person will form a habit.
Person A will form a habit,probably in 60 days.
Person B is going to form ahabit probably in 60 days.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Person B is going to form a habit, like in 18 days.
So you're saying, like thevisualization and the deeper
explanation, the descriptivepiece gets the visualization, I
would say, in the psyche andthen that's what makes it form a
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habit, right.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
That was your dog then.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
That was oh okay.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I've done that approach in school.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm going to graduate and justpush through.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Right, right, but that makes you form the habit
faster.
The other person probably willform a habit, but it'll take him
a very long time, that's all.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Okay, okay.
Now, as far as different typesof habits, would you say there
are different types of habits oris just habit and that's that?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, habit to habit.
Yeah, because morally, socially, however, you want to start to
impugn someone's perspectivesand beliefs and faiths.
Who are we to say what's a goodhabit, what's a bad habit?
And I don't care what you sayis bad.
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So you're saying, paul, if theydo fentanyl, you can argue that
that's a good habit.
I'm saying it's their habit,it's going to kill them, not me,
so it's not for me to judge.
This is a good habit, bad forme?
How about that?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
which brings me to my next question.
Mike, do you have any questions?
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I have all the questions tonight no, no, no, go
ahead, go ahead.
You're hype.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
So now can you be addicted to?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
negative thinking?
Absolutely, because it triggersthe same chemical response your
reward system is asking you for.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Wait, say that again, can you rewind?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
It's triggering the same chemical response that your
reward system in the basalganglia is asking for.
It just knows that you can getthe chemical I need to feel
euphoric, or whatever is that wenormally will do this or allow
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this.
So how you're doing it, thebrain doesn't care because,
remember, it doesn't have realeyes and ears.
It just has what the signalsyou're giving it okay, so you
can.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
You can very much be addicted to negative thinking.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Because it's a, it's a feeling,but if you don't ask yourself,
why you're addicted, but if younever ask yourself why am I, why
do I do?
I am so attracted to negativethinking.
If you never ask yourself that,you can never correct it.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Because you have no intention to change it.
You know, I'm going to try thisright now and I'm going to be
transparent.
I was addicted to negativethinking.
Negative uh, not necessarilynegative self talks, cause I
don't say I'm a piece of crap ornothing like that, or I'm bad
or I don't like this aboutmyself.
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You know I'm more, so go.
You know I'm the guy in the carwith the road rage and the fuck
you doing.
And BP, what are you doing?
Get out, you all.
You know, look at that guy overthere.
He's acting crazy, he's stupid.
You know, and I realize thatI'm actually talking to myself
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because, like, my psychology is,like my psyche, it's picking
all this stuff up, all thesetalks, all this information that
I'm spewing out, and I'mrecording this and I'm creating
a negative reality around myself.
So I'm saying all that to saylike, how would you, if I know
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that I'm creating this negativereality surrounding myself, how
do I continuously continue tobreak free of it and
continuously break free of it,being that I've been thinking
about thinking like this andhaving these talks for years?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
about thinking like this and talk, having these
talks for years, you say I amdone, and you and you, and then
you start to learn how to bedone.
That's it, because once youstart saying you know what, I
don't want to be like thisanymore, then you start reading,
you start listening inside out.
(44:20):
When I say listening, I meaninside out.
So when people hear saying DrDyer wants to know if you're
listening, listening to what theoutside is saying and listening
to what yourself is and how youare interpreting to it, right,
that's listening.
(44:41):
So you start to listen, youstart to inform and then you
start to change, because thenyou start to rewire your
thinking.
Rewire your thinking Newneurons, new this comes back to
neuroplasticity.
You start to reform differentpatterns, neural pathways of
(45:03):
thinking, and that's how youchange.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
What about?
What would you say about peoplewho went through serious
catastrophic?
You know traumatic events andthey just can't get it out of
their minds and it keeps them ina loop I created.
I don't know if anyone elsecame out with this term, but in
(45:30):
my mind one day I say oh shoot,we're caught in the like trauma
loops.
We're caught in like a traumaloop.
So it's like you know, you havethat trauma in the back of your
head.
You say something, uh, uh.
You're like oh, this person'sthat, you know this person's
this and this person's that.
Then you pick up your phone andthen you start looking at.
You know people fighting andthings like that.
(45:53):
You know what I'm saying.
So, like you know, how do youget off of that, off of that,
off of that?
Mm-hmm, yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
You know I was molested and I was saying I was
molested as a young boy.
I could have went on with thattrauma and kept it from me
having to try to have meaningfulconnections with other men, not
as molesters, but how myconnections were with women, but
(46:33):
how my connections were withwomen.
If I kept that, I would havelet it destroy anything of
possibility of love that I couldever that I have received and
would encounter.
If I kept, if I physically keptthat saying this, this, this
right, all the time I made achoice and I didn't.
(46:55):
The answer is you have to makea choice and then this goes back
to habits Understand what youthink and how you created your
choice and why you're making it.
That's intention.
That's why people's liveschange when they become
(47:18):
intentional.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Let's say I'm your client.
Something happened to me 20years ago.
I saw something that put me ina shell shock.
What would be the first right,what would be the first thing
you would do to treat me?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Well, let's say, recognize that trigger, embrace
that trigger and tear thattrigger apart, like why did you
trigger me?
Where did you originally comefrom?
Interrogate that trigger apart,like why did you trigger me?
Where did you originally comefrom?
Interrogate that trigger.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Okay, so you know what.
I'm going to be transparentright now with the show, before
we cut out, my sister died yearsago, right, so it happened out
of nowhere.
She was like everything to meand she got on the back of a
motorcycle and that was it.
(48:25):
But the whole experience behindit with, like you know, you
know, her clothing with blood onit, my mom screaming, like with
this girdling kind of scream,and, uh, the whole scene and
like how do I, how do I unpackthat?
(48:45):
Like you know what I mean?
It's like I'm, it's like I'mnot stuck at the in that time,
but that's a time that is sovivid.
It feels like it just happenedlike an hour ago and yeah,
You're still grieving.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
You're talking about grieving and there is no time
limit for periods of types ofgrieving.
So there's, you don't grieve.
You may.
People may think you grieveless, you have more of a
(49:28):
stronger senses to the periodwhen you think of it, but you're
grieving.
That's not a habit to get over,because that's grieving, that's
mourning, that's yes.
The motorcycles even seeing amotorcycle with a woman on a
motorcycle makes me think of mysister.
(49:50):
All those things are parts ofgrieving and that won't go away.
That's not something you stuckin, that's just something you're
just grieving, still through,right, that's so when it comes
down to it.
So, so, when it comes down tointentions, if you never asked
(50:11):
me that questions, you wouldhave thought it was a bad habit
that you had to get over.
But that's where you ask thosequestions.
You get that clarity andunderstanding of is this this,
or is it this, this?
That's what you go in withintention.
That's why you were able to askthat question.
(50:32):
That's why it's grieving, it'snot a habit.
So, yeah, so it were able toask that question.
That's why it's grieving, it'snot a habit.
So it's able to be cleared upfor you now.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I feel like getting on the motorcycle and riding a
motorcycle would help.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Kind of like me release this no, this is not
something that releases.
Like I said, this is grieving,this is not like a fear or
something like that.
If it goes into a fear, a habitcan be formed.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah, like I get paranoid, Right.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
That you can control with.
You're right getting on amotorcycle or doing those things
.
You're right getting on amotorcycle or doing those things
, but don't connect what itdeveloped you to do maybe into a
habit from grieving.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
And I think you hit on a great point then to say
that often when people are sad,they take that as a grieving,
mourning period and they turn itinto a habit of continuous
sadness.
Right, indeed, indeed, indeed,for sure.
So.
So, in a nutshell, intention,intention first, purpose and
forming a new habit.
Forming new habits.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
And it takes, like you said, 18 to 200, some odd
days.
However, through visualizationand practice, it may be shorter.
Yeah, all right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
I mean anything you consider to be the word.
Learning is indeed.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
And oh, man, mike, you just missed a a therapy
session, man, no no, no, I waslistening so I want to ask a
question.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I have a way of disconnecting certain things, dr
dyer.
Is that a?
Is that a?
Is that a habit?
Is that a bad habit?
Right there, when things getchaotic, I tend to that's your
habit.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
We'll end on that.
No, that's your habit.
It's your habit, it's what youwant.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I just disconnect completely.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
You know what I mean Good or bad, it's what you do.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I've been told I'm cold for doing that.
Is that cold?
On that note, thank you forcoming out this evening.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Dr Paul Dyer, we really appreciate you and we are
out in peace, peace, Peace.
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