December 18, 2024 • 59 mins
What if the secrets of an ancient organization could reshape your understanding of knowledge and personal growth? Join us as we unravel the enigma of Freemasonry with the insightful Dr. Paul Dyer. In our latest episode, we promise an enlightening journey through the Entered Apprentice stage, likened to an empty cup ready to be filled with wisdom. Dr. Dyer shares his unique perspective, emphasizing humility and open-mindedness as keys to mastering any new pursuit. We also introduce our new call-in feature, inviting engaging audience participation to enrich our exploration.
Our conversation ventures into the intricate dance between belief systems and individual perspectives, touching on respect, tradition, and the human condition. With Dr. Dyer, we tackle misconceptions about Freemasonry, distinguishing between its institutional values and human weaknesses. The discussion broadens to the symbolic significance of Jerusalem in masonry and the metaphorical representation of the body as a temple. We also highlight the influence of organizations like the Moorish Science Temple of America and reflect on the concept of catechism across various traditions, examining its role in shaping minds.
From the transformative power of rituals to the interconnectedness of ancient knowledge systems, this episode offers a tapestry of insights. We explore the roots of modern Freemasonry, tracing connections to historical events like the Crusades and figures such as Jacques de Molay. Our dialogue invites listeners to reconsider cultural ownership of knowledge, recognizing contributions from civilizations like Kemet and Persia. As we wrap up, the conversation touches on the universal languages of mathematics, architecture, and linguistics, inviting you to further engage with our call-in feature and continue this journey of discovery.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
what's going on?
Everybody is ron brown lmt, thepeople's fitness professional.
My co-host is on his way.
Sharifa Nelbay is on his way aswell.
We have Dr Paul Dyer with usright now.
Mikey Fever is in the building.
Mikey Fever, look at the bottomof the screen.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh shit, oh shoot, Got the call-in feature.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The call-in feature is here here y'all, so now you
can call in.
Please call in with the withsome valid questions please,
because no hoopla, craziness,anything like that.
Awareness daily, how you doingdoctor what's going?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
on doctor Paul Dyer.
He can't hear us Awareness.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Daily how you doing doctor.
What's going on, dr Paul Dyer?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
I like that sweater right there bro.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm on my.
I would have said Bill Cosby,but I can't use that term.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You look like a drug dealer from the 80s from
Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
From the old pictures .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he got jokesbro.
Yo man, Yo, what's up?
Y' jokes, man, Yo man.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yo, what's up?
Y'all man, what's going on.
Let's see what's going on.
Let's see if Paul Dyer can hearus.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I got it.
I'm back on.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, okay, dr Paul Dyer is on.
Dr Paul Dyer.
Dr Paul Dyer said you got toget that call in the future, man
.
I said you know what I do havethat.
You know what.
Let's make it happen, man.
Let's just pop it off right now.
Man, what are we waiting for?
Really?
You know what I'm?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
saying Please don't call in with no drama, because
you'll get hanged up on.
You'll get banged on.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Sometimes drama kind of works.
Some people need that drama.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Because they, in a beastly state, low vibrational
Knuckle dragging.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But you know what, maybe we can lead them to the
light.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
There we go, of course, man.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I like that, I like that.
So now we're going to go rightinto the truth about Freemasonry
.
Now, the reason why I named itthat is because you know, as you
know, the reason why we'redoing Masonry podcast is because
we're trying to dispel all themystery behind it and the bad,
(03:02):
the bad organization.
So let's talk about it, let'sget into it, deep into it.
The first question I want toget into is, first of all, how
you doing Mikey Fever.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'm good brother, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Great, great great, Dr Paul Dyer you doing great
great, great, dr paul dyer, I'mdoing, I'm doing beautiful, man,
you know, I mean I am, I'mdoing beautiful.
That's peace.
That's peace, islam.
Uh, what's the brother?
Communicate clearly and bespecific.
I like that name too.
Oh, that's cosmology bay,that'smology Bay.
(03:43):
He looks like either FreakyZeke or what's the other guys
from?
No, he's not from Philly, fromBrooklyn.
Cool the esoteric brother.
Oh, my God, scorpio, so tospeak, got the gold teeth.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh, I know you're talking about AA Rashid.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
AA Rashid.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You know you can't trust none of those brothers
from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Oh, here we go.
See, it's that Bronx stuff,what you got talking about.
All you got to do is talk aboutYankees all day.
Stay on the corner.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yo, yo, yo, yeah, yeah.
Um, you look like either FreakyZeke or AA Rashid, one of the
all three of y'all brothers.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Socket to my pocket.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yo, that's what AA Rashid said, right.
Yeah socket to my pocket.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Socket to my pocket.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah.
So now let's go into theFreemasonry.
What's the purpose of?
I want to just ask straight up.
So Into the Prentice, what isInto the Prentice?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Newborn.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Newborn the beginning .
You know what it's.
Newborn the beginning.
You know what it's newborn.
It is exactly what it is.
Before you start anything, tostart any craft, you have to
(05:22):
become an apprentice.
To learn the craft you have tobe.
And here's the thing aboutbeing an apprentice To be a good
apprentice, you must have awatchful eye.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Now that says a lot.
Before you become part of theeye, you must develop a watchful
eye, because you never loseyour inter-apprenticeship, never
.
All these are.
You know, most people see thesethings on the Internet or
(05:59):
whatever they see.
They see these steps and theysee the columns and they'll see
all these other things.
But to be an enter apprentice,on any level of anything, you
must first develop yourself asan empty cup.
And to develop that empty cupyou must understand yourself, as
(06:23):
I'm not going in with somethingI think I know I go in
something not because of what Iwant to know, because even even
wanting to know something willblock yourself from gaining
things.
Go in with something of an openI mean clear open, and that's
(06:49):
with anything.
And that's what I tell all mystudents, no matter what I teach
Come in with an open mind, anopen heart, an open spirit, and
then that is the beginning, thatis your entering apprentice.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Beautifully said, dr Dye.
I agree with you.
Couldn't say any better.
As he said, you guys got tohave a watchful eye, you got to
utilize all your senses, allfive senses.
You understand?
It's an apprentice.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And I think that's difficult because many of us I
was, I've been working on thisum, the program, um, why we fall
short on faith?
Because we never develop ourpurpose and I think, because we
develop we, we don't understandour balance.
What does balance mean?
(07:46):
Balance mind, balance, spiritand balance body.
And I mean balance all acrossthe board, because some people
are balanced in strength andthey're low on mind.
Some people are strong onspirit, strong on mind and low
(08:09):
on strength.
You have to raise it up,level-y, to be on the level all
the time.
That's difficult as anapprentice on anything.
You work those levels all thetime, right.
(08:31):
You raise in your spirituallevel.
You have to develop your mind.
You raise your strength level.
You have to raise your mentallevel and your mental level is
part of your emotional level,your, your, all those different
things as part of your the mind,right.
(08:51):
So you have to raise them on onthe level.
That's why, when we say we meeton the level, you can meet a
brother that's wise but with abroken spirit.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's not on the level.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Right.
So hey, you know, they callthemselves whatever right.
We'll say they'll callthemselves the Master Mason.
But their lives are all screwedup.
They're messing with sevendifferent women.
You know their finances are alljacked.
You know they don't know how toask for help.
Oh my, there's brother sharif,how you doing good good, good
(09:32):
brief so you know and I'm nottalking about when it comes to
strength, I'm not talking aboutphysical strength, I'm talking
about there's other types ofstrength, strength and asking
for help.
Now you can work your body, butare you taking care of your
health?
because we're not talking aboutjust you, lifting x amount of
(09:54):
pounds and I go to the gym andrun seven miles, but are you
asking, are you, are you takingcare of your health?
That's the strength we'retalking about, because we're all
going to get to a certain agewhere we're not going to do the
things that we did once at acertain age, but your strength
level is still can be raised onthe level.
(10:16):
So your entrepreneurship iswith an openness of getting
there.
So that's so.
Be careful how, when people sayI'm on the level which level?
Because some people are strongin so many different areas, but
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we want to be strong andbalanced on all those things.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So now I have a question.
So when I went into the lodgeand going into into the
apprentice before I got there, Ihad to, I had to kind of like,
even though someone vouched forme, I had to sit around in a bar
with them for weeks and weeksand weeks, Mikey.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's called wait with patience right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Of course they vet you, brother.
You know in your mind he's likewaiting for that day to come.
When are the days going to come?
Nah, it's checking yourpatience to see if you're going
to be like, you know what, I'llgive up.
There you go.
It's all about, as they say,subduing your passions, your
vices, and everything is workingon those struggles and
weaknesses that human beingstend to fall victim to.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Pretty much it and remember.
A lot of the tests happen whenyou don't realize you're being
tested.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Woo, exactly, exactly , exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Think about it.
Think about it.
When I know I'm'm being tested,it's easy to act the part right
right.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Right, you know, because I was down in um
sometimes, you know, I wasyounger, sometimes I would drink
and sometimes I wouldn't.
But uh, I would drink and um, I, I don't know.
They would just kind of liketalk to me and pick my brain
while I was intoxicated.
I kind of knew.
(12:15):
I kind of sort of knew, though.
So I'm like it's like I'm Ikeep coming here, I'm getting
alcohol, this is it's not free,but it's not that.
This is it's not free, but it'snot that.
You know, it's not likestressed.
Like you gotta pay for this.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I can't say much, but oh man, it sounds like a,
that's all I gotta say.
You was drinking Reefing, theone I was talking about.
You guys know what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But then I got into the lodge right and I got I want
to call it I forgot what it'scalled, but I'm going to call it
an apron.
I got that.
And then I got what's calledthe catechism Right.
It was yellow, it's a smallbooklet Now, and then I got I
(13:07):
got what's called the catechismRight.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was yellow is a small booklet.
Now, what is the apronsrepresent?
You're working man.
You know the villagers backthen wore aprons when they work.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
There you go, you know, that's pretty much it,
that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Ok, that's another way to look at it.
Let's take it to.
Let's take it to, and brotherMikey and the good and the good
doctor, don't beat me up.
What happened?
What happened when, when Adamand Eve realized they were naked
?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I knew you were going there.
I thought I started smiling.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I was.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I was I.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Go ahead, brother.
What did the conductor give?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
them.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I used to word there, but you know, whatever, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, hmm, I used a different word there, but you
know whatever, yeah, yeah, yeahso now with the apron, the
catechism.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What does the catechism?
Why is it called a catechism?
I've never heard that worduntil I went into masonry.
No, called a catechism.
I've never heard that worduntil I went into masonry.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
That was the first time I ever heard that word, and
the last time I ever heard thatword Are you serious.
Yep.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
So I mean, okay, I'll just deal with it.
I'll answer it this way.
Of course, the crafty masonryis not the only institution that
uses that term.
Let's talk about something thatyou are familiar with, that
you're very familiar with,something that you are familiar
(15:01):
with, that you're very familiarwith.
My name is WF Muhammad.
I came to North America bymyself.
My uncle was born here aboutthe trade of 379 years ago.
Right, can I speak his ownlanguage?
He likes the devil because thedevil gives him nothing.
Then what do?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
you say he likes the devil because the devil gives
him nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
No, then what do you say after that?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He likes the devil because the devil gives him
nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
The next thing is a question.
It's a question.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He likes the devil because the devil gives him
nothing.
Why does he like the devil?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
He doesn't like to fear him when he was a little
boy.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Why does he fear the devil?
Now he's a big man?
Because the devil taught him toeat the wrong food.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Does that have to do with the book?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
question number 10 makes a lot of themself.
Right, that's a catechism, okay, you, you pronounced it
differently in french you saycatechist?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
yes, real quick brother, it's called it's called
.
It's called on response yep,okay, now that's exactly how the
catechism goes, like 1 to 36,and I noticed that too.
Now, brother, quick questionwhen you was initiated, didn't
you receive a name?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I don't remember receiving no name though that's
because you didn't go far, yeah,okay.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Because you definitely received one.
Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You know what I don't know?
I okay, because you definitelyreceived one.
Yeah, you know what I don'tknow?
I don't remember because thatwas in like 2008-ish around that
time but you got a name, ron.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You got a name though , nge what does the green light
on the traffic signal stand for?
Go.
What does the red light standfor?
Stop?
What does the yellow lightstand for?
Stop?
What does the yellow lightstand for?
Slow down?
No.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Caution.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yield.
Yeah, okay, who said that?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Me, mikey said it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Caution.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Catechism is a call, so catechism is a caution.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Is it yield?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
No, the name yield no .
No, the name refers to that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's why it's yellow.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
No, it's not.
Yellow means Yield.
Say it again, Mikey.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yield.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Or he said another word Caution.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Okay, the name you get refers to that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Let's stop right there, you just caught on Mikey
right, no, no, because I alreadyknow, because I did the math
like oh no, yeah, that's notokay.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So the catechism from what?
Okay, so when you go into thecatechism from what I recall I
haven't touched that, that thatbooklet in years, but uh, it
goes into um jerusalem.
You start talking aboutJerusalem.
So what's the science behindJerusalem and masonry and what's
the point of?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
that?
What was the central point?
I'll leave it at that.
Every city has a what CapitalCapital, like a capital building
.
What was the capital building?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
What is the capital building?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
What was the capital building?
It's the temple.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh, the body.
The body.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I like that Riff he just came from working out.
He just came from teachingclass.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
He's probably got his tiger going on right now you
know what it is too, ron, withall respect, just like every
school of thought as aninstitution, we have to have
respect.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
No, this is very true , mikey.
I want to speak to that.
That's so big.
One of the problems with ourpeople what we call the Negro
problem in the more sciencetemple of America, or just the
Negro problem, the more sciencetemple of America or just a
Negro problem, the Negro problemperiod is that we have an
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ignorance and a lot, andtherefore a lack of respect for
organization.
Exactly, nobody's above theprogram, nobody's above the
program.
So you learn to respect that.
You see what I'm saying.
So what do we?
What do we have nowadays?
Where you got people that havea phobia or an animosity towards
craft remasonry, it's because,deep down inside, they want to
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know what you do without havingto go through what you went
through.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Right, how can you hate from outside a club You're
not even in?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right and catch my good side next time I'm going to
make some shorts Make sure youcatch my good side.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You got all kinds of people talking about yo, I'm an
adept.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You ain't never joined the organization Calm
down and I think that's whypeople had asked the question
last week and a week before.
Is they ask those questions?
How do I know this and how howwould I know if it's good for me
and how do I know if I getsteered wrong?
It's because they question theprogram without ever going
(20:32):
through it, and then that's whatwe said last week.
I apologize for people goingthrough a process in a bad place
, but that doesn't mean that theprogram is bad.
It just means that there'speople, there's a human
condition inside many programs.
(20:54):
It has nothing to do with theprogram.
It has a lot to do with thehuman condition.
So if you're going to denouncethe program because of the
people, then we said this before.
Where does this end?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Hold on a second good doctor.
I just have to say this to whatthe doctor just said that was
worth the price of admissionright there.
What he just said don't confusehuman weakness with the
institution, Thank you, Don't dothat.
That was well said, doctor.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now, uh, awareness, nearly awareness, daily.
Uh, yes, when it comes to theone to 36, as uh, gs Sharif just
demonstrated, yes, um, thecatechism is similar to the one
to 36 in the one at one, 120.
The catechism is also similarto, I would say, the whole 120,
(21:52):
really, like, as I think aboutit, yeah, Call and response
education and learning Right.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Actually it's all over any institution that has a
code of honor.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Catholic Church is the same thing too.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yes, oh, shoot, correct, correct.
I mean, and let's go back tojerusalem.
There's, there's, there'spathways in in jerusalem.
You cannot get through if youdo not have the correct wordage
can I, can I be honest with youtoo?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
you know who else does it.
People don't want to admit thatI.
I remember hearing gang membersdoing it outside, of course, of
course.
So up there, everybody Lock andload All that stuff.
Come on man.
Yeah, yeah, come on, come on Ofcourse you got to respond.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, you got to be brave, you got to respond right
right.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You better respond right, right, right, right.
So now the catechism from whatI remember, I had to memorize
that as well you better, youbetter.
So I kind of don't see anydifference really.
And yeah, yeah, and and and,and, and and and and and and and
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and and and and and and and andand and and and and and and and
due diligence of what John theRevelator says in the book
(23:45):
Revelations of eating the book.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Then what are you really doing?
You're dabbling, yeah, you'redabbling.
You're playing around, fakingit.
In the more science temple ofAmerica we say use the hammer,
pounding the truth and making apart of every part.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
See.
Okay, so I want to go into thewhole process of why was I
blindfolded and brought downinto some basement and why were
they doing this Like pushing me?
(24:29):
What's that about?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Go ahead, Doc.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well, so You're going to a place that you're not even
sure you're you're you're.
You are going to a place thatyou not know which you come from
.
So if you're going to a place,if you not know which you come
(25:04):
from, then you cannot have apreconceived notion If you
belong.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I like that.
And what does that make you do?
Right, you are instructed.
Yep you gotta follow yourinstructions To put faith in
your creator Right, becausethat's all you got.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
What did I say earlier?
It's about your five senses.
As an apprentice, come on nowyou got to rely on that.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Don't answer the question, but I'm going to ask
the question.
Brothers, where were you firstmade In the more science temple
of America?
We can say it openly Where'sthe nearest place you can meet
him?
Answer?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
In your heart.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh, the masons are talking.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
See see the reason why people put your ass out, ass
out, if you don't agree.
I don't know what that means.
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
See, people are afraid of the unknown because
they don't know themselves.
There you go.
There's no such place of is theunknown.
If you know thyself, you willnever be lost.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Can't speak on secrets of the ritual, but the
principles are fair game.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, that's true, decrose your rhythmics, but
ritual, but the principles arefair game.
Yeah, that's true, the crow'syour rhythmics, but men come to
Allah through ceremonies andforms.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Rituals.
Everything in life, everythingyou do in life, is a ritual.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I don't know what it is, man, but I'm liking this
podcast right now.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Once you win Ron, you always win forever.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yo, because I'm like I don't know Everything is
coming back, so okay.
So you're not going to explainall that bumping into me thing,
Okay, Check it out, Ron, Checkit out.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
We've done I don't know if you, I've done katas for
a thousand years and mostpeople don't even know the
situations of movements andbreath and sounds of why they do
it.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Come on Until they ask the question of why certain
sounds trigger certain organs,between certain movements for
certain actions.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
You hear what the doctor is saying, brother Ron.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
So think about Kali.
You guys don't do forms orcolors, but you do have flow
patterns.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, you can't fight with aflow pattern, can you?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Can you fight with a flow pattern?
It's kind of designed for that.
But hold on Now.
You can't fight with a flowpattern, can you?
Can you fight with a flowpattern?
It's kind of designed for that.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But hold on.
No, follow me the flow, like ifI'm doing a specific flow
pattern.
Can I fight with a flow pattern?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Right.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
But it's still necessary because it builds in
the necessary things that you'regoing to need.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
That's a ceremony.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Exactly and just take the principles, as he said, not
go in detail.
Just that's how life.
That's how life is Right.
You don't know where you'regoing to step back Right.
Things come out of left fieldand you just do.
You persevere or you standstill.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Now hold on.
Now I said, some of the verysame people that turn their nose
up at craft remasonry oranything like or any other
initiatory body at the same timewill praise the idea of old
African rites of passage, havingnever gone through it.
That's right, same thing.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know why?
Because they watch so manyDavid Icke DVDs.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And now we go back to you being jostled around,
Brother Ron.
What do we say about experience?
Experience is a harsh teacherbecause she gives the
examination before she gives thelesson.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And guess who's always watching the Mighty Sun?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That's right, the mighty son, that's right and
when we go through that, getinto details with those
initiatic rites and masonry.
It doesn't compare to whatpeople went through in those
ancient mystery schools Nothingeven close, Because you will go
through death.
There's no coming back home.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I'm glad you said that, brother Mikey.
The late Maladoma Somme.
The late Maladoma Somme, hefrom Burkina Faso.
Shout out to Burkina Faso andtheir leader, ibrahim Traore.
By the way, anyway, the lateBurkina Faso, or the late
(30:01):
Maladoma Somme, was kidnapped.
State your input.
You're correct, brotherRoosevelt Ward, absolutely
correct.
So he was basically kidnappedby one of his uncles and taken
to France when he was educatedfrom like age, young age to like
age 17.
He escaped and went back to hisvillage and said I'm back.
(30:25):
They were like hold up a second, listen close.
They were like hold up a second, we can't let you in.
You have too much of them onyou and if we let you in in the
state you're in, you coulddestroy us.
So they convened and then theycame back.
They said we'll let you in onone condition.
See, you're beyond the age ofRite of passage or initiation In
(30:49):
our culture.
But we'll let you go through it, although you might not survive
.
And indeed Some people didn'tsurvive when he went through.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And his was even comical.
And I'm not a movie buff oranything, but I watched the
Black Panther but they missedeverything about it.
They missed everything about itbecause they did not have the
information to watch the movie.
Because they did not have theinformation to watch the movie
(31:24):
and when they watched the movie,they never asked anyone the
questions about the movie orthey never dug into what were
they doing.
Even in the movie they probablywatched the action scenes and
all that and all that.
But the words they were using,the terminologies they were
(31:45):
using, were all rites ofpassages and languages about
family and lineages.
That's fact.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
That's fact, that's very true.
Real quick, I saw whenRasulullah put in a black man's
gun.
Watch this, you think.
When you, when I get a book oflife, or I get lesson per lesson
depending on my degree ofproficiency, right, and then you
(32:21):
quiz me on that lesson, allright, recite the one at 10.
Recite the one at 36.
And then I have to go throughthe work, the labor of
memorizing.
You think that's not a ritual?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It is, it is.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Do you think that's not a ritual?
Do you think that's not a riteof passage?
Do you think you're not goingthrough the degree system?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
all right that's why I was asked do you have 120
degrees?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
or in a catechism, phrase or style you knowledge
sound.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Exactly the only people who are part of that
culture understand what I justasked.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
That's like if I talk to the good doctor, I say to
Mikey, how old is your mother?
See, they know what I'm askingfor.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Easy.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Right If I say did you see a little black dog with
a red ribbon headed east?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
they know what I'm talking about see what I'm
saying and you can't get that onYouTube.
No, sorry, and all you peoplewatching on YouTube, I'd like to
see you try to find it you cometo me asking that question it's
(33:49):
so funny.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's so funny that you say that because in a five
percent nation we say you can'tget it on youtube either.
You can't get it online, youcan.
You can grab lessons 120lessons but somebody's got to
take you through the 120 lessonsand you got to make it walk and
talk itself.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And that's what we say in the Moral Science Temple
of America, and that's not asecret organization, and neither
is the 5% Nation.
We say I'm quoting ProphetJuali.
The lessons in the pamphlet arenot for sale, but as I'm a
prophet and the servant isworthy of his hire, you can
receive the pamphlet at expense,see yeah man that's what I was
(34:30):
saying, reeve.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
When somebody come up saying that to me, asking that
question once, I ask you thatyou go.
Huh, I'm like conversation isdone we out hold on hold on.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Will you be off or from See?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
You know what?
God Rashaun Allah, I just wantto say we're going to go with
this question, but this is amasonry podcast.
But we'll ask this question whotaught Nobu Juali?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We don't know, but I can say this we ain't spooked
out.
Allah speaks to man through man.
I'll leave it at that.
Even the Christians believethat.
I can prove it by quoting John3.16.
For God so loved the world, hegave his only begotten.
Okay, you know the rest.
The only way you know about Godis somebody walking on two legs
(35:25):
told you, told you yeah, readJohn 1.
John 1?
It's kind of high.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Peace Blue Skate Media peace, peace.
Let me see.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Those are the sailors Shout out to the sailors.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Sailors Shout out to the Asians.
Those brothers are coolbrothers For real.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So the brothers Asking again, who taught?
So what I want to say?
I heard something about DeuceAli, or yeah, not quite.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Is there a connection ?
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to talkabout that real quick.
You know, deuce Muhammad Ali,see the good doctor and brother
Mikey will know exactly whereI'm going with this.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Ugan Ali.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
No, not Ugan ali that he came later.
His name was eugene harris hecame later right but deuce
muhammad ali follow me.
he um founded the uh magazineafrica times and orient review
Times and Orient Review.
A couple key things foreverybody to know about that.
(36:46):
Africa Times and Orient Reviewwas first published in December
of 1912.
The very year that the Treatyof Fez was signed that allowed
for Spanish and then Frenchoccupation of Morocco.
That's right Hold on.
(37:08):
The key purpose of thismagazine or newsletter was to
educate people and to publishliterature that spoke out
against European colonization ofAfrican and Asian nations.
Now, why was this significant?
This was 1912, man.
(37:28):
This was when Manifest Destinywas shifting into third gear.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Because colonizations actually started in 1853, when
the Spaniards had to go aroundthe horn, and they colonized
South America Because theSpaniards was really and
actually.
It was a Spanish monk who spokein Spain in 1856, who didn't
(38:01):
want to colonize South America,who said why don't you use the
Africans instead of the NativeAmericans?
Because we have to go aroundthem anyway.
Why don't you just pick up theminstead of using the Native
Americans?
And that's where thecolonization of Africa started.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
So, to continue with that, in African Times and
Oregon Review he had a Realinteresting Cast of characters
that were Contributing editorsCW Ledbetter and Annie Bassant,
(38:43):
edward Bulwer-Lytton, hg Wells.
These people were contributingeditors to Africa Times and
Orient Review.
Now what do we know about thesepeople?
High degree elite, secretorderism.
And in the end of 1912, andwhat took place in the beginning
(39:06):
of 1913 in Newark, new Jersey,little short man with a funny
mustache was in it.
It was okay, teaching in abarbershop.
Yeah, you, not legal, black andcolored.
We're connected, okay, we'reconnected to the conflict
happening over in Morocco rightnow.
See how great.
So are we saying that Ducemuhammad ali taught prophet
noble drawley?
Absolutely not.
(39:27):
But was there some connection?
Absolutely, yeah, and was?
there a connection to secretorderism yes, to me.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I see it, I believe that they were.
They were some connection ohlisten, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
but you know as an initiate, as an as an initiate,
and the doctor knows as aninitiate in the deeper levels,
though the initiates areorganized informally based on
common principles, not specificorganizations, and that's what
we talked about before.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
When you have people, you know you will always speak
mouth to ear.
Come on.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Tell them.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's how I listen, for a pass down Sounds like a
ballad to me.
Yeah, man, come on Mouth to earwith use of specific ciphers
and codes.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, man, come on.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
But that shit is true Mouth to ear, with use of
specific ciphers and codes.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Okay, right, that's deep.
It's all really the same man.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
When I say knowledge, knowledge, culture lesson, not
everybody knows what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
See what I'm talking about.
Yeah, see what I'm saying.
Yeah See, if I say, bring itdown to the rate of atmosphere,
to remember the more sciencecivil America, not everybody
knows what I'm talking about.
See, see.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
So, Ron, so it so it.
So, ron.
I, I think, when we talk aboutit goes back to come in with an
open.
Everything to learn to listen,to smell, to taste your
(41:26):
surroundings.
Your tongue is as sharp as asnake.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
You're talking about those five pillars of
architecture.
You see?
See, Mike, he's shaking hishead, he's giving us the
disappointed brother face likeyo.
Y'all need to calm downCosmology.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Cosmology Bay.
Thank you, man, thank you forthe born dollars Yo.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
G.
What does g represent?
Geometry, god, not um narcissus.
Gnosis of geometry.
Uh, what else?
That's it, god.
What else?
What can we go through?
Geology?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
like this.
This is what Pythagoras isattributed.
He's credited with saying, butof course we know where he got
his knowledge from.
Pythagoras says God forevergeometrizes.
That's good and that is thedeeper understanding of John
3.16.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yo hold on man, hold on man.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yo hold on man.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
It sounds familiar, it's mathematics.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, it's the universal language.
That's a fact.
The universe, that's a fact.
The universe, that's a fact.
The zeros and the ones and theones and the zeros.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Geometry is three-dimensional mathematics,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Harmonics is audible, mathematics that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Mm-hmm, grammar Right , all that.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Literary mathematics.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Right.
So if it's harmonics and wetalk about speech and we talk
about linguistics, then we talkabout frequencies and
wavelengths.
We're always talking reallyabout the same thing.
Linguistics, then we talk aboutfrequencies and wavelengths.
We're always talking reallyabout the same thing.
We cannot say it enough.
What we're talking about, it'snothing different, it's just
(43:58):
degrees of it, right?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Right Now, this question, right here.
It's not a question One and one.
Oh, exactly, exactly, louis,sereno Bay, in the building, my
brother, what's up, what's up,what's up?
(44:23):
So go to this next question.
Operative masonry to me isactual masons who build things
and lay bricks and constructright and speculative masonry
would be masons going into thelodge, et cetera.
Okay, would be Masons goinginto the lodge, etc.
Okay, now why use the word?
Speaker 4 (44:49):
I understand operative but why use the word
speculative?
That's summed up in this very,very simple statement Masonry is
a beautiful system of morality,veil and allegory revealed
through symbols wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Where did I hear that ?
In masonry probably.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm sure you have.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
So that's why on the surface we say speculative
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Somebody put something up there which I say
is beautiful.
I agree with is the sevenhermetic principles.
Yes, sit right there man,that's it.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Which is why people can be influenced and broken off
and turned to the wrongdirection, because they're in
self-doubt within themselves sothey don't actually hear the
(46:02):
harmonic principles yep alright,now I want to say this brother
Eric Muhammad, said that noblack man should go into the
lodge.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Why not?
Why not?
He said, because it was createdfor Europeans.
No black man should go into thelodge.
Why not?
You said because it was createdfor Europeans.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
That's a lie.
It came from Kemet.
People pay attention to thedetails.
You see where mystery schoolscome from, where these schools
come from, these mystery schools.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Well, if it originated in Persia and it came
from the central part of Africa?
What are you talking about?
Exactly too much, david Icke no, I mean, I'm confused if you're
talking about Britishcolonialism and that's like
saying that the Greeks developedmath.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Therefore I shouldn't study mathematics.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
So he's agreeing that the Greeks developed philosophy
.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Or that they own it or they have a monopoly on it,
and therefore I should leave italone right, I mean because if
it so, if he's, if he'slistening, do.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Does he agree that the greeks develop philosophy in
math?
Speaker 4 (47:33):
because let's go back , let's, but let's take it,
let's take it back, let's takeit back.
Going back's, take it back.
Going back again to what I'vesaid before about what we used
to say in the 5% Nation makeunderstanding understood.
Are we even talking about thesame thing when we say
Freemasonry?
I don't think so Exactly.
So they're thinking Europeaninstitution that started at a
(47:55):
tavern in the year 1717 inEngland.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
See, that's what I think.
Okay, if we're talking aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You talking about.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
York Street yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
We got to make sure that we're talking about the
same thing.
As if we're not Right, right,see, if we're talking about a
body of knowledge that goes backbeyond remote antiquity, are we
talking about an Englishinstitution that started in a
(48:33):
tavern?
Which one are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (48:38):
No disrespect to the brothers of the crowd, but we
just being real, we're going tothe history.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
That's it.
That's like saying which biblehave you read?
Have you read the Ethiopianbible yet?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
You see what I'm saying.
So we have to be clear on thesethings.
You know, people will look atit and go, oh, oh well, because
of what they're familiar with,and then they'll want to paint
you with the same brush.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Just real quick.
Brother Louis Sereno Bay, thankyou for the knowledge, cipher
dollars, the gold, Reallyappreciate, you Appreciate you.
For Chaz greatly appreciate it,definitely definitely.
Appreciate you Greatlyappreciate it, definitely
definitely.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I wanted to say this it's like we're talking about
mathematics, right?
Shout out to the Nation of Godsand Earth, right?
That's like negating the systemof IFA.
Come on, we're talking aboutnumbers.
It's mathematics there itself.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
But I'm glad that person asked that question.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Hold on one second, what's his name?
Cosmology Bay.
I did address you.
What are you saying?
I did address you.
I said Cosmology Bay, thank you.
Oh, you didn't understand whatI said.
I said thank you for the borndollars, I said, but you didn't
understand what I said.
Thank you for the bond dollars,I said, but you didn't
understand what I said.
Thank you for the nine dollars,brother, you didn't meet him on
(50:04):
the level.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
I didn't meet him.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Oh, sereno thank you for the ten dollars yeah man
yeah, you gotta speak on thelevel, man, but like I was
telling you before, ron, I'mglad, no, mikey, when he said be
(50:27):
careful of the people who saythings it could be a little bit
drama and all this other stuff.
I'm glad people ask thosequestions because they need to
be brought to the light andthat's fine.
We can shine the light andthey's fine, we can shine the
light and they'll come to it.
They will come to it because ifif he didn't ask that question,
just think he was stuck in thedark and if we?
(50:50):
were not here, what would ourresponsibility be?
We're not going to keepbrothers in the dark, we're.
That's not my goal ever in life, ever, ever, ever ever Sounds
like a degree in a 120 run.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
What's the duty of a civilized person, indeed?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
To teach you is uncivilized civilization, right,
just knowledge of self andscience, everything in life,
love, peace and happiness.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Right, Beautiful man.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
We're not that different, I'm glad he asked.
I'm not.
So I hope he understood.
And if he didn't understand Ihope he kind of asked the next
question again and saying heunderstood now and saying thank
you, but I hope he got it.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
I hope you got that Cosmos.
You got that, you good To moveon to the next question what is
the true origins of Freemasonry?
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Depends on who you're asking.
I would qualify the questionwith when are you asking?
Because our brothers andsisters in ancient Egypt it was
present.
Did they call it Freemasonry?
No, probably not.
See that, see how that works.
(52:10):
Our brothers and sisters inSpain, in Cordova and Seville,
did they call it Freemasonry?
Probably not.
But the science is the science,is the science, is the science
the authentic tradition, is theauthentic tradition.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
I was going to say something that's so much more
poetic, like when the sands metthe ocean the first time.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (52:37):
How about that man?
Man, this is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
When we first noticed the stars and we first
calculated the moon and the sun.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
How about when man was clothed in flesh?
How about in the nation, whenit's taught the self-creation of
the first God?
How about chapter one of theHoly Quran of the Moorish
Science Temple of America, whereit talks about the plane of
spirit, plane of soul and theplane of things made manifest?
We would call that inFreemasonry Blue Lodge, wouldn't
(53:16):
we?
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, and what he said was when matter made man,
how about that?
Speaker 2 (53:25):
That's deep man.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
It's a great question to me, I think.
Is the religion Jehovah Witnessconnected with Masonry or come
from Freemasonry?
Speaker 2 (53:34):
We have heard about that before the founder, wasn't
it Mormon they?
Speaker 4 (53:37):
believe.
Brother Mike, you hit it righton the nose.
There is.
There's many studies on thefact that the founder of the
Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter-day Saints, aka the
Mormons, a lot of theirstructure is based on the Royal
Lodge.
That's just the truth.
Yeah Go Smithy.
A lot of their structure isbased on the Royal Lodge.
(53:58):
That's just the truth.
Yeah Go Smithy.
He got hung over a bridge,right, you already know You're
funny, you're funny, mikey.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
No, as we said last week, the institution defends
itself.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
The institution defends itself the institution
defends itself.
To Brother Mikey's point, lookup William Morgan and the
anti-Masonic party that tookplace in upstate New York.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Listen.
You take an oath and again Iknow they're going to make a
soundbite out of this.
You take an oath you live by.
They're gonna make a.
They're gonna make a soundbiteout of this.
You take an oath, you live bythat oath uh, oh, somebody's
gonna take that.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
They're gonna take what you just said, right, and
then right after that they'regonna have Sharif say something
crazy.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
You already know let me rewind it back.
I live by an oath.
Hold on, is that any different?
Let me rewind it back.
I live by my job, is that?
Speaker 4 (55:01):
any different?
Follow me.
Is that any different, brotherRon, than the knowledge
knowledge degree and theknowledge knowledge culture
lesson?
Have you not heard?
Speaker 1 (55:10):
that your word shall be bond regardless to whom or
what?
Yes, my word is what bond, andmy bond is what life and I will
give my what life before mywords shall say Come on bro.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, and I went speaking on that brother
Cosmology Bay man, making sureyou know I acknowledge your nine
dollars, bro, I said borndollars, right.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
No, let's get real about.
Just add one more thing whenyou are born in a family, you
didn't pick your relatives, it'sby blood.
There you go.
When I stepped into thisinstitution, I selected you to
be my brother under God, and aprince, that's it Yo.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
there's nothing better.
That song's 133.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Man, let that oil dip .
How sweet it is to see mybrother like oh my God, I can
say it in French Nothing better,there's nothing better.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
You see what I'm saying Now.
The people that follow me onthis this is also part of the
Negro problem the people thatwould look down on what we just
spoke on, are people that havenever really experienced true
brotherhood or love.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
See, they're emotionally broken.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Kill yourself Basically.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Basically.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
I'm not playing, mike .
You're so hostile.
It's that, brooklyn?
Oh, just like ignorance,sometimes people need to hear
that People kill yourself Now.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
For the last question how did the crusades tie into
the origins Of modern Freemasons?
Speaker 4 (56:50):
Well Research Jacques de Molay.
Research Jacques de Molay InFriday, the 13th yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
I'll tell you this the first crusades.
The first crusades Was theChristians killing everybody.
I mean Jews, muslims, justeveryone.
(57:22):
He's correct.
They didn't care who, they justwanted everything so called
witches, if you were herbalistthat was the first crusades yep,
that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
First, Crusades Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, yep, that's crazy man.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
Yeah, that's right.
What is it?
Eurythmics, reconquista and theInquisition.
Yeah, that was a continuationof the Crusades.
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
It's a fact, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
It's a fact, got you Mm-hmm.
Yeah, god, good to see greatminds added on to the cypher.
Yeah, god, peace, peace, peaceto god.
And on that note to that pointreal quick.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
One of the things that was, for me, that was dope
about this particular podcastepisode is that we were able to
demonstrate the universality ofnot just the knowledge but the
universality of obligation andresponsibility with the
knowledge of course right, ofcourse see yeah indeed, indeed.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
On that note, man, thank y'all for coming out this
evening thanks, my brother weappreciate y'all for coming out
this evening.
Thanks, my brothers, weappreciate y'all.
We got the call-in feature Callin.
Y'all can call now and askquestions, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, yep.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yo Reed, what's up with the Kaushik records man?
Oh see no-transcript.
what's going on?
Everybody is ron brown lmt, thepeople's fitness professional.
My co-host is on his way.
Sharifa Nelbay is on his way aswell.
We have Dr Paul Dyer with usright now.
Mikey Fever is in the building.
Mikey Fever, look at the bottomof the screen.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh shit, oh shoot, Got the call-in feature.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The call-in feature is here here y'all, so now you
can call in.
Please call in with the withsome valid questions please,
because no hoopla, craziness,anything like that.
Awareness daily, how you doingdoctor what's going?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
on doctor Paul Dyer.
He can't hear us Awareness.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Daily how you doing doctor.
What's going on, dr Paul Dyer?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
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He can't hear People.
Don't forget to comment, like,share, subscribe, follow us on
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
I like that sweater right there bro.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm on my.
I would have said Bill Cosby,but I can't use that term.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You look like a drug dealer from the 80s from
Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
From the old pictures .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he got jokesbro.
Yo man, Yo, what's up?
Y' jokes, man, Yo man.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yo, what's up?
Y'all man, what's going on.
Let's see what's going on.
Let's see if Paul Dyer can hearus.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I got it.
I'm back on.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, okay, dr Paul Dyer is on.
Dr Paul Dyer.
Dr Paul Dyer said you got toget that call in the future, man
.
I said you know what I do havethat.
You know what.
Let's make it happen, man.
Let's just pop it off right now.
Man, what are we waiting for?
Really?
You know what I'm?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
saying Please don't call in with no drama, because
you'll get hanged up on.
You'll get banged on.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Sometimes drama kind of works.
Some people need that drama.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Because they, in a beastly state, low vibrational
Knuckle dragging.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But you know what, maybe we can lead them to the
light.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
There we go, of course, man.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I like that, I like that.
So now we're going to go rightinto the truth about Freemasonry
.
Now, the reason why I named itthat is because you know, as you
know, the reason why we'redoing Masonry podcast is because
we're trying to dispel all themystery behind it and the bad,
(03:02):
the bad organization.
So let's talk about it, let'sget into it, deep into it.
The first question I want toget into is, first of all, how
you doing Mikey Fever.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'm good brother, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Great, great great, Dr Paul Dyer you doing great
great, great, dr paul dyer, I'mdoing, I'm doing beautiful, man,
you know, I mean I am, I'mdoing beautiful.
That's peace.
That's peace, islam.
Uh, what's the brother?
Communicate clearly and bespecific.
I like that name too.
Oh, that's cosmology bay,that'smology Bay.
(03:43):
He looks like either FreakyZeke or what's the other guys
from?
No, he's not from Philly, fromBrooklyn.
Cool the esoteric brother.
Oh, my God, scorpio, so tospeak, got the gold teeth.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh, I know you're talking about AA Rashid.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
AA Rashid.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You know you can't trust none of those brothers
from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Oh, here we go.
See, it's that Bronx stuff,what you got talking about.
All you got to do is talk aboutYankees all day.
Stay on the corner.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yo, yo, yo, yeah, yeah.
Um, you look like either FreakyZeke or AA Rashid, one of the
all three of y'all brothers.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Socket to my pocket.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yo, that's what AA Rashid said, right.
Yeah socket to my pocket.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Socket to my pocket.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah.
So now let's go into theFreemasonry.
What's the purpose of?
I want to just ask straight up.
So Into the Prentice, what isInto the Prentice?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Newborn.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Newborn the beginning .
You know what it's.
Newborn the beginning.
You know what it's newborn.
It is exactly what it is.
Before you start anything, tostart any craft, you have to
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become an apprentice.
To learn the craft you have tobe.
And here's the thing aboutbeing an apprentice To be a good
apprentice, you must have awatchful eye.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Now that says a lot.
Before you become part of theeye, you must develop a watchful
eye, because you never loseyour inter-apprenticeship, never
.
All these are.
You know, most people see thesethings on the Internet or
(05:59):
whatever they see.
They see these steps and theysee the columns and they'll see
all these other things.
But to be an enter apprentice,on any level of anything, you
must first develop yourself asan empty cup.
And to develop that empty cupyou must understand yourself, as
(06:23):
I'm not going in with somethingI think I know I go in
something not because of what Iwant to know, because even even
wanting to know something willblock yourself from gaining
things.
Go in with something of an openI mean clear open, and that's
(06:49):
with anything.
And that's what I tell all mystudents, no matter what I teach
Come in with an open mind, anopen heart, an open spirit, and
then that is the beginning, thatis your entering apprentice.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Beautifully said, dr Dye.
I agree with you.
Couldn't say any better.
As he said, you guys got tohave a watchful eye, you got to
utilize all your senses, allfive senses.
You understand?
It's an apprentice.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And I think that's difficult because many of us I
was, I've been working on thisum, the program, um, why we fall
short on faith?
Because we never develop ourpurpose and I think, because we
develop we, we don't understandour balance.
What does balance mean?
(07:46):
Balance mind, balance, spiritand balance body.
And I mean balance all acrossthe board, because some people
are balanced in strength andthey're low on mind.
Some people are strong onspirit, strong on mind and low
(08:09):
on strength.
You have to raise it up,level-y, to be on the level all
the time.
That's difficult as anapprentice on anything.
You work those levels all thetime, right.
(08:31):
You raise in your spirituallevel.
You have to develop your mind.
You raise your strength level.
You have to raise your mentallevel and your mental level is
part of your emotional level,your, your, all those different
things as part of your the mind,right.
(08:51):
So you have to raise them on onthe level.
That's why, when we say we meeton the level, you can meet a
brother that's wise but with abroken spirit.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's not on the level.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Right.
So hey, you know, they callthemselves whatever right.
We'll say they'll callthemselves the Master Mason.
But their lives are all screwedup.
They're messing with sevendifferent women.
You know their finances are alljacked.
You know they don't know how toask for help.
Oh my, there's brother sharif,how you doing good good, good
(09:32):
brief so you know and I'm nottalking about when it comes to
strength, I'm not talking aboutphysical strength, I'm talking
about there's other types ofstrength, strength and asking
for help.
Now you can work your body, butare you taking care of your
health?
because we're not talking aboutjust you, lifting x amount of
(09:54):
pounds and I go to the gym andrun seven miles, but are you
asking, are you, are you takingcare of your health?
That's the strength we'retalking about, because we're all
going to get to a certain agewhere we're not going to do the
things that we did once at acertain age, but your strength
level is still can be raised onthe level.
(10:16):
So your entrepreneurship iswith an openness of getting
there.
So that's so.
Be careful how, when people sayI'm on the level which level?
Because some people are strongin so many different areas, but
(10:36):
we want to be strong andbalanced on all those things.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So now I have a question.
So when I went into the lodgeand going into into the
apprentice before I got there, Ihad to, I had to kind of like,
even though someone vouched forme, I had to sit around in a bar
with them for weeks and weeksand weeks, Mikey.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's called wait with patience right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Of course they vet you, brother.
You know in your mind he's likewaiting for that day to come.
When are the days going to come?
Nah, it's checking yourpatience to see if you're going
to be like, you know what, I'llgive up.
There you go.
It's all about, as they say,subduing your passions, your
vices, and everything is workingon those struggles and
weaknesses that human beingstend to fall victim to.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Pretty much it and remember.
A lot of the tests happen whenyou don't realize you're being
tested.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Woo, exactly, exactly , exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Think about it.
Think about it.
When I know I'm'm being tested,it's easy to act the part right
right.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Right, you know, because I was down in um
sometimes, you know, I wasyounger, sometimes I would drink
and sometimes I wouldn't.
But uh, I would drink and um, I, I don't know.
They would just kind of liketalk to me and pick my brain
while I was intoxicated.
I kind of knew.
(12:15):
I kind of sort of knew, though.
So I'm like it's like I'm Ikeep coming here, I'm getting
alcohol, this is it's not free,but it's not that.
This is it's not free, but it'snot that.
You know, it's not likestressed.
Like you gotta pay for this.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I can't say much, but oh man, it sounds like a,
that's all I gotta say.
You was drinking Reefing, theone I was talking about.
You guys know what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But then I got into the lodge right and I got I want
to call it I forgot what it'scalled, but I'm going to call it
an apron.
I got that.
And then I got what's calledthe catechism Right.
It was yellow, it's a smallbooklet Now, and then I got I
(13:07):
got what's called the catechismRight.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was yellow is a small booklet.
Now, what is the apronsrepresent?
You're working man.
You know the villagers backthen wore aprons when they work.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
There you go, you know, that's pretty much it,
that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Ok, that's another way to look at it.
Let's take it to.
Let's take it to, and brotherMikey and the good and the good
doctor, don't beat me up.
What happened?
What happened when, when Adamand Eve realized they were naked
?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I knew you were going there.
I thought I started smiling.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I was.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I was I.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Go ahead, brother.
What did the conductor give?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
them.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I used to word there, but you know, whatever, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, hmm, I used a different word there, but you
know whatever, yeah, yeah, yeahso now with the apron, the
catechism.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What does the catechism?
Why is it called a catechism?
I've never heard that worduntil I went into masonry.
No, called a catechism.
I've never heard that worduntil I went into masonry.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
That was the first time I ever heard that word, and
the last time I ever heard thatword Are you serious.
Yep.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
So I mean, okay, I'll just deal with it.
I'll answer it this way.
Of course, the crafty masonryis not the only institution that
uses that term.
Let's talk about something thatyou are familiar with, that
you're very familiar with,something that you are familiar
(15:01):
with, that you're very familiarwith.
My name is WF Muhammad.
I came to North America bymyself.
My uncle was born here aboutthe trade of 379 years ago.
Right, can I speak his ownlanguage?
He likes the devil because thedevil gives him nothing.
Then what do?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
you say he likes the devil because the devil gives
him nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
No, then what do you say after that?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He likes the devil because the devil gives him
nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
The next thing is a question.
It's a question.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He likes the devil because the devil gives him
nothing.
Why does he like the devil?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
He doesn't like to fear him when he was a little
boy.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Why does he fear the devil?
Now he's a big man?
Because the devil taught him toeat the wrong food.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Does that have to do with the book?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
question number 10 makes a lot of themself.
Right, that's a catechism, okay, you, you pronounced it
differently in french you saycatechist?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
yes, real quick brother, it's called it's called
.
It's called on response yep,okay, now that's exactly how the
catechism goes, like 1 to 36,and I noticed that too.
Now, brother, quick questionwhen you was initiated, didn't
you receive a name?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I don't remember receiving no name though that's
because you didn't go far, yeah,okay.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Because you definitely received one.
Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You know what I don't know?
I okay, because you definitelyreceived one.
Yeah, you know what I don'tknow?
I don't remember because thatwas in like 2008-ish around that
time but you got a name, ron.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You got a name though , nge what does the green light
on the traffic signal stand for?
Go.
What does the red light standfor?
Stop?
What does the yellow lightstand for?
Stop?
What does the yellow lightstand for?
Slow down?
No.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Caution.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yield.
Yeah, okay, who said that?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Me, mikey said it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Caution.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Catechism is a call, so catechism is a caution.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Is it yield?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
No, the name yield no .
No, the name refers to that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's why it's yellow.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
No, it's not.
Yellow means Yield.
Say it again, Mikey.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yield.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Or he said another word Caution.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Okay, the name you get refers to that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Let's stop right there, you just caught on Mikey
right, no, no, because I alreadyknow, because I did the math
like oh no, yeah, that's notokay.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So the catechism from what?
Okay, so when you go into thecatechism from what I recall I
haven't touched that, that thatbooklet in years, but uh, it
goes into um jerusalem.
You start talking aboutJerusalem.
So what's the science behindJerusalem and masonry and what's
the point of?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
that?
What was the central point?
I'll leave it at that.
Every city has a what CapitalCapital, like a capital building
.
What was the capital building?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
What is the capital building?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
What was the capital building?
It's the temple.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh, the body.
The body.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I like that Riff he just came from working out.
He just came from teachingclass.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
He's probably got his tiger going on right now you
know what it is too, ron, withall respect, just like every
school of thought as aninstitution, we have to have
respect.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
No, this is very true , mikey.
I want to speak to that.
That's so big.
One of the problems with ourpeople what we call the Negro
problem in the more sciencetemple of America, or just the
Negro problem, the more sciencetemple of America or just a
Negro problem, the Negro problemperiod is that we have an
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ignorance and a lot, andtherefore a lack of respect for
organization.
Exactly, nobody's above theprogram, nobody's above the
program.
So you learn to respect that.
You see what I'm saying.
So what do we?
What do we have nowadays?
Where you got people that havea phobia or an animosity towards
craft remasonry, it's because,deep down inside, they want to
(19:52):
know what you do without havingto go through what you went
through.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Right, how can you hate from outside a club You're
not even in?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right and catch my good side next time I'm going to
make some shorts Make sure youcatch my good side.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You got all kinds of people talking about yo, I'm an
adept.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You ain't never joined the organization Calm
down and I think that's whypeople had asked the question
last week and a week before.
Is they ask those questions?
How do I know this and how howwould I know if it's good for me
and how do I know if I getsteered wrong?
It's because they question theprogram without ever going
(20:32):
through it, and then that's whatwe said last week.
I apologize for people goingthrough a process in a bad place
, but that doesn't mean that theprogram is bad.
It just means that there'speople, there's a human
condition inside many programs.
(20:54):
It has nothing to do with theprogram.
It has a lot to do with thehuman condition.
So if you're going to denouncethe program because of the
people, then we said this before.
Where does this end?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Hold on a second good doctor.
I just have to say this to whatthe doctor just said that was
worth the price of admissionright there.
What he just said don't confusehuman weakness with the
institution, Thank you, Don't dothat.
That was well said, doctor.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now, uh, awareness, nearly awareness, daily.
Uh, yes, when it comes to theone to 36, as uh, gs Sharif just
demonstrated, yes, um, thecatechism is similar to the one
to 36 in the one at one, 120.
The catechism is also similarto, I would say, the whole 120,
(21:52):
really, like, as I think aboutit, yeah, Call and response
education and learning Right.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Actually it's all over any institution that has a
code of honor.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Catholic Church is the same thing too.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yes, oh, shoot, correct, correct.
I mean, and let's go back tojerusalem.
There's, there's, there'spathways in in jerusalem.
You cannot get through if youdo not have the correct wordage
can I, can I be honest with youtoo?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
you know who else does it.
People don't want to admit thatI.
I remember hearing gang membersdoing it outside, of course, of
course.
So up there, everybody Lock andload All that stuff.
Come on man.
Yeah, yeah, come on, come on Ofcourse you got to respond.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, you got to be brave, you got to respond right
right.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You better respond right, right, right, right.
So now the catechism from whatI remember, I had to memorize
that as well you better, youbetter.
So I kind of don't see anydifference really.
And yeah, yeah, and and and,and, and and and and and and and
(23:25):
and and and and and and and andand and and and and and and and
due diligence of what John theRevelator says in the book
(23:45):
Revelations of eating the book.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Then what are you really doing?
You're dabbling, yeah, you'redabbling.
You're playing around, fakingit.
In the more science temple ofAmerica we say use the hammer,
pounding the truth and making apart of every part.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
See.
Okay, so I want to go into thewhole process of why was I
blindfolded and brought downinto some basement and why were
they doing this Like pushing me?
(24:29):
What's that about?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Go ahead, Doc.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well, so You're going to a place that you're not even
sure you're you're you're.
You are going to a place thatyou not know which you come from
.
So if you're going to a place,if you not know which you come
(25:04):
from, then you cannot have apreconceived notion If you
belong.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I like that.
And what does that make you do?
Right, you are instructed.
Yep you gotta follow yourinstructions To put faith in
your creator Right, becausethat's all you got.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
What did I say earlier?
It's about your five senses.
As an apprentice, come on nowyou got to rely on that.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Don't answer the question, but I'm going to ask
the question.
Brothers, where were you firstmade In the more science temple
of America?
We can say it openly Where'sthe nearest place you can meet
him?
Answer?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
In your heart.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh, the masons are talking.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
See see the reason why people put your ass out, ass
out, if you don't agree.
I don't know what that means.
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
See, people are afraid of the unknown because
they don't know themselves.
There you go.
There's no such place of is theunknown.
If you know thyself, you willnever be lost.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Can't speak on secrets of the ritual, but the
principles are fair game.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, that's true, decrose your rhythmics, but
ritual, but the principles arefair game.
Yeah, that's true, the crow'syour rhythmics, but men come to
Allah through ceremonies andforms.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Rituals.
Everything in life, everythingyou do in life, is a ritual.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I don't know what it is, man, but I'm liking this
podcast right now.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Once you win Ron, you always win forever.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yo, because I'm like I don't know Everything is
coming back, so okay.
So you're not going to explainall that bumping into me thing,
Okay, Check it out, Ron, Checkit out.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
We've done I don't know if you, I've done katas for
a thousand years and mostpeople don't even know the
situations of movements andbreath and sounds of why they do
it.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Come on Until they ask the question of why certain
sounds trigger certain organs,between certain movements for
certain actions.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
You hear what the doctor is saying, brother Ron.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
So think about Kali.
You guys don't do forms orcolors, but you do have flow
patterns.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, you can't fight with aflow pattern, can you?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Can you fight with a flow pattern?
It's kind of designed for that.
But hold on Now.
You can't fight with a flowpattern, can you?
Can you fight with a flowpattern?
It's kind of designed for that.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But hold on.
No, follow me the flow, like ifI'm doing a specific flow
pattern.
Can I fight with a flow pattern?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Right.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
But it's still necessary because it builds in
the necessary things that you'regoing to need.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
That's a ceremony.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Exactly and just take the principles, as he said, not
go in detail.
Just that's how life.
That's how life is Right.
You don't know where you'regoing to step back Right.
Things come out of left fieldand you just do.
You persevere or you standstill.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Now hold on.
Now I said, some of the verysame people that turn their nose
up at craft remasonry oranything like or any other
initiatory body at the same timewill praise the idea of old
African rites of passage, havingnever gone through it.
That's right, same thing.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know why?
Because they watch so manyDavid Icke DVDs.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And now we go back to you being jostled around,
Brother Ron.
What do we say about experience?
Experience is a harsh teacherbecause she gives the
examination before she gives thelesson.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And guess who's always watching the Mighty Sun?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That's right, the mighty son, that's right and
when we go through that, getinto details with those
initiatic rites and masonry.
It doesn't compare to whatpeople went through in those
ancient mystery schools Nothingeven close, Because you will go
through death.
There's no coming back home.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I'm glad you said that, brother Mikey.
The late Maladoma Somme.
The late Maladoma Somme, hefrom Burkina Faso.
Shout out to Burkina Faso andtheir leader, ibrahim Traore.
By the way, anyway, the lateBurkina Faso, or the late
(30:01):
Maladoma Somme, was kidnapped.
State your input.
You're correct, brotherRoosevelt Ward, absolutely
correct.
So he was basically kidnappedby one of his uncles and taken
to France when he was educatedfrom like age, young age to like
age 17.
He escaped and went back to hisvillage and said I'm back.
(30:25):
They were like hold up a second, listen close.
They were like hold up a second, we can't let you in.
You have too much of them onyou and if we let you in in the
state you're in, you coulddestroy us.
So they convened and then theycame back.
They said we'll let you in onone condition.
See, you're beyond the age ofRite of passage or initiation In
(30:49):
our culture.
But we'll let you go through it, although you might not survive
.
And indeed Some people didn'tsurvive when he went through.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And his was even comical.
And I'm not a movie buff oranything, but I watched the
Black Panther but they missedeverything about it.
They missed everything about itbecause they did not have the
information to watch the movie.
Because they did not have theinformation to watch the movie
(31:24):
and when they watched the movie,they never asked anyone the
questions about the movie orthey never dug into what were
they doing.
Even in the movie they probablywatched the action scenes and
all that and all that.
But the words they were using,the terminologies they were
(31:45):
using, were all rites ofpassages and languages about
family and lineages.
That's fact.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
That's fact, that's very true.
Real quick, I saw whenRasulullah put in a black man's
gun.
Watch this, you think.
When you, when I get a book oflife, or I get lesson per lesson
depending on my degree ofproficiency, right, and then you
(32:21):
quiz me on that lesson, allright, recite the one at 10.
Recite the one at 36.
And then I have to go throughthe work, the labor of
memorizing.
You think that's not a ritual?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It is, it is.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Do you think that's not a ritual?
Do you think that's not a riteof passage?
Do you think you're not goingthrough the degree system?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
all right that's why I was asked do you have 120
degrees?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
or in a catechism, phrase or style you knowledge
sound.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Exactly the only people who are part of that
culture understand what I justasked.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
That's like if I talk to the good doctor, I say to
Mikey, how old is your mother?
See, they know what I'm askingfor.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Easy.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Right If I say did you see a little black dog with
a red ribbon headed east?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
they know what I'm talking about see what I'm
saying and you can't get that onYouTube.
No, sorry, and all you peoplewatching on YouTube, I'd like to
see you try to find it you cometo me asking that question it's
(33:49):
so funny.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's so funny that you say that because in a five
percent nation we say you can'tget it on youtube either.
You can't get it online, youcan.
You can grab lessons 120lessons but somebody's got to
take you through the 120 lessonsand you got to make it walk and
talk itself.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And that's what we say in the Moral Science Temple
of America, and that's not asecret organization, and neither
is the 5% Nation.
We say I'm quoting ProphetJuali.
The lessons in the pamphlet arenot for sale, but as I'm a
prophet and the servant isworthy of his hire, you can
receive the pamphlet at expense,see yeah man that's what I was
(34:30):
saying, reeve.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
When somebody come up saying that to me, asking that
question once, I ask you thatyou go.
Huh, I'm like conversation isdone we out hold on hold on.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Will you be off or from See?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
You know what?
God Rashaun Allah, I just wantto say we're going to go with
this question, but this is amasonry podcast.
But we'll ask this question whotaught Nobu Juali?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We don't know, but I can say this we ain't spooked
out.
Allah speaks to man through man.
I'll leave it at that.
Even the Christians believethat.
I can prove it by quoting John3.16.
For God so loved the world, hegave his only begotten.
Okay, you know the rest.
The only way you know about Godis somebody walking on two legs
(35:25):
told you, told you yeah, readJohn 1.
John 1?
It's kind of high.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Peace Blue Skate Media peace, peace.
Let me see.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Those are the sailors Shout out to the sailors.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Sailors Shout out to the Asians.
Those brothers are coolbrothers For real.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So the brothers Asking again, who taught?
So what I want to say?
I heard something about DeuceAli, or yeah, not quite.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Is there a connection ?
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to talkabout that real quick.
You know, deuce Muhammad Ali,see the good doctor and brother
Mikey will know exactly whereI'm going with this.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Ugan Ali.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
No, not Ugan ali that he came later.
His name was eugene harris hecame later right but deuce
muhammad ali follow me.
he um founded the uh magazineafrica times and orient review
Times and Orient Review.
A couple key things foreverybody to know about that.
(36:46):
Africa Times and Orient Reviewwas first published in December
of 1912.
The very year that the Treatyof Fez was signed that allowed
for Spanish and then Frenchoccupation of Morocco.
That's right Hold on.
(37:08):
The key purpose of thismagazine or newsletter was to
educate people and to publishliterature that spoke out
against European colonization ofAfrican and Asian nations.
Now, why was this significant?
This was 1912, man.
(37:28):
This was when Manifest Destinywas shifting into third gear.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Because colonizations actually started in 1853, when
the Spaniards had to go aroundthe horn, and they colonized
South America Because theSpaniards was really and
actually.
It was a Spanish monk who spokein Spain in 1856, who didn't
(38:01):
want to colonize South America,who said why don't you use the
Africans instead of the NativeAmericans?
Because we have to go aroundthem anyway.
Why don't you just pick up theminstead of using the Native
Americans?
And that's where thecolonization of Africa started.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
So, to continue with that, in African Times and
Oregon Review he had a Realinteresting Cast of characters
that were Contributing editorsCW Ledbetter and Annie Bassant,
(38:43):
edward Bulwer-Lytton, hg Wells.
These people were contributingeditors to Africa Times and
Orient Review.
Now what do we know about thesepeople?
High degree elite, secretorderism.
And in the end of 1912, andwhat took place in the beginning
(39:06):
of 1913 in Newark, new Jersey,little short man with a funny
mustache was in it.
It was okay, teaching in abarbershop.
Yeah, you, not legal, black andcolored.
We're connected, okay, we'reconnected to the conflict
happening over in Morocco rightnow.
See how great.
So are we saying that Ducemuhammad ali taught prophet
noble drawley?
Absolutely not.
(39:27):
But was there some connection?
Absolutely, yeah, and was?
there a connection to secretorderism yes, to me.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I see it, I believe that they were.
They were some connection ohlisten, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
but you know as an initiate, as an as an initiate,
and the doctor knows as aninitiate in the deeper levels,
though the initiates areorganized informally based on
common principles, not specificorganizations, and that's what
we talked about before.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
When you have people, you know you will always speak
mouth to ear.
Come on.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Tell them.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's how I listen, for a pass down Sounds like a
ballad to me.
Yeah, man, come on Mouth to earwith use of specific ciphers
and codes.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, man, come on.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
But that shit is true Mouth to ear, with use of
specific ciphers and codes.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Okay, right, that's deep.
It's all really the same man.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
When I say knowledge, knowledge, culture lesson, not
everybody knows what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
See what I'm talking about.
Yeah, see what I'm saying.
Yeah See, if I say, bring itdown to the rate of atmosphere,
to remember the more sciencecivil America, not everybody
knows what I'm talking about.
See, see.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
So, Ron, so it so it.
So, ron.
I, I think, when we talk aboutit goes back to come in with an
open.
Everything to learn to listen,to smell, to taste your
(41:26):
surroundings.
Your tongue is as sharp as asnake.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
You're talking about those five pillars of
architecture.
You see?
See, Mike, he's shaking hishead, he's giving us the
disappointed brother face likeyo.
Y'all need to calm downCosmology.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Cosmology Bay.
Thank you, man, thank you forthe born dollars Yo.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
G.
What does g represent?
Geometry, god, not um narcissus.
Gnosis of geometry.
Uh, what else?
That's it, god.
What else?
What can we go through?
Geology?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
like this.
This is what Pythagoras isattributed.
He's credited with saying, butof course we know where he got
his knowledge from.
Pythagoras says God forevergeometrizes.
That's good and that is thedeeper understanding of John
3.16.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yo hold on man, hold on man.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yo hold on man.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
It sounds familiar, it's mathematics.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, it's the universal language.
That's a fact.
The universe, that's a fact.
The universe, that's a fact.
The zeros and the ones and theones and the zeros.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Geometry is three-dimensional mathematics,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Harmonics is audible, mathematics that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Mm-hmm, grammar Right , all that.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Literary mathematics.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Right.
So if it's harmonics and wetalk about speech and we talk
about linguistics, then we talkabout frequencies and
wavelengths.
We're always talking reallyabout the same thing.
Linguistics, then we talk aboutfrequencies and wavelengths.
We're always talking reallyabout the same thing.
We cannot say it enough.
What we're talking about, it'snothing different, it's just
(43:58):
degrees of it, right?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Right Now, this question, right here.
It's not a question One and one.
Oh, exactly, exactly, louis,sereno Bay, in the building, my
brother, what's up, what's up,what's up?
(44:23):
So go to this next question.
Operative masonry to me isactual masons who build things
and lay bricks and constructright and speculative masonry
would be masons going into thelodge, et cetera.
Okay, would be Masons goinginto the lodge, etc.
Okay, now why use the word?
Speaker 4 (44:49):
I understand operative but why use the word
speculative?
That's summed up in this very,very simple statement Masonry is
a beautiful system of morality,veil and allegory revealed
through symbols wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Where did I hear that ?
In masonry probably.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm sure you have.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
So that's why on the surface we say speculative
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Somebody put something up there which I say
is beautiful.
I agree with is the sevenhermetic principles.
Yes, sit right there man,that's it.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Which is why people can be influenced and broken off
and turned to the wrongdirection, because they're in
self-doubt within themselves sothey don't actually hear the
(46:02):
harmonic principles yep alright,now I want to say this brother
Eric Muhammad, said that noblack man should go into the
lodge.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Why not?
Why not?
He said, because it was createdfor Europeans.
No black man should go into thelodge.
Why not?
You said because it was createdfor Europeans.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
That's a lie.
It came from Kemet.
People pay attention to thedetails.
You see where mystery schoolscome from, where these schools
come from, these mystery schools.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Well, if it originated in Persia and it came
from the central part of Africa?
What are you talking about?
Exactly too much, david Icke no, I mean, I'm confused if you're
talking about Britishcolonialism and that's like
saying that the Greeks developedmath.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Therefore I shouldn't study mathematics.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
So he's agreeing that the Greeks developed philosophy
.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Or that they own it or they have a monopoly on it,
and therefore I should leave italone right, I mean because if
it so, if he's, if he'slistening, do.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Does he agree that the greeks develop philosophy in
math?
Speaker 4 (47:33):
because let's go back , let's, but let's take it,
let's take it back, let's takeit back.
Going back's, take it back.
Going back again to what I'vesaid before about what we used
to say in the 5% Nation makeunderstanding understood.
Are we even talking about thesame thing when we say
Freemasonry?
I don't think so Exactly.
So they're thinking Europeaninstitution that started at a
(47:55):
tavern in the year 1717 inEngland.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
See, that's what I think.
Okay, if we're talking aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You talking about.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
York Street yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
We got to make sure that we're talking about the
same thing.
As if we're not Right, right,see, if we're talking about a
body of knowledge that goes backbeyond remote antiquity, are we
talking about an Englishinstitution that started in a
(48:33):
tavern?
Which one are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (48:38):
No disrespect to the brothers of the crowd, but we
just being real, we're going tothe history.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
That's it.
That's like saying which biblehave you read?
Have you read the Ethiopianbible yet?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
You see what I'm saying.
So we have to be clear on thesethings.
You know, people will look atit and go, oh, oh well, because
of what they're familiar with,and then they'll want to paint
you with the same brush.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Just real quick.
Brother Louis Sereno Bay, thankyou for the knowledge, cipher
dollars, the gold, Reallyappreciate, you Appreciate you.
For Chaz greatly appreciate it,definitely definitely.
Appreciate you Greatlyappreciate it, definitely
definitely.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I wanted to say this it's like we're talking about
mathematics, right?
Shout out to the Nation of Godsand Earth, right?
That's like negating the systemof IFA.
Come on, we're talking aboutnumbers.
It's mathematics there itself.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
But I'm glad that person asked that question.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Hold on one second, what's his name?
Cosmology Bay.
I did address you.
What are you saying?
I did address you.
I said Cosmology Bay, thank you.
Oh, you didn't understand whatI said.
I said thank you for the borndollars, I said, but you didn't
understand what I said.
Thank you for the bond dollars,I said, but you didn't
understand what I said.
Thank you for the nine dollars,brother, you didn't meet him on
(50:04):
the level.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
I didn't meet him.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Oh, sereno thank you for the ten dollars yeah man
yeah, you gotta speak on thelevel, man, but like I was
telling you before, ron, I'mglad, no, mikey, when he said be
(50:27):
careful of the people who saythings it could be a little bit
drama and all this other stuff.
I'm glad people ask thosequestions because they need to
be brought to the light andthat's fine.
We can shine the light andthey's fine, we can shine the
light and they'll come to it.
They will come to it because ifif he didn't ask that question,
just think he was stuck in thedark and if we?
(50:50):
were not here, what would ourresponsibility be?
We're not going to keepbrothers in the dark, we're.
That's not my goal ever in life, ever, ever, ever ever Sounds
like a degree in a 120 run.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
What's the duty of a civilized person, indeed?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
To teach you is uncivilized civilization, right,
just knowledge of self andscience, everything in life,
love, peace and happiness.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Right, Beautiful man.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
We're not that different, I'm glad he asked.
I'm not.
So I hope he understood.
And if he didn't understand Ihope he kind of asked the next
question again and saying heunderstood now and saying thank
you, but I hope he got it.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
I hope you got that Cosmos.
You got that, you good To moveon to the next question what is
the true origins of Freemasonry?
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Depends on who you're asking.
I would qualify the questionwith when are you asking?
Because our brothers andsisters in ancient Egypt it was
present.
Did they call it Freemasonry?
No, probably not.
See that, see how that works.
(52:10):
Our brothers and sisters inSpain, in Cordova and Seville,
did they call it Freemasonry?
Probably not.
But the science is the science,is the science, is the science
the authentic tradition, is theauthentic tradition.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
I was going to say something that's so much more
poetic, like when the sands metthe ocean the first time.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (52:37):
How about that man?
Man, this is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
When we first noticed the stars and we first
calculated the moon and the sun.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
How about when man was clothed in flesh?
How about in the nation, whenit's taught the self-creation of
the first God?
How about chapter one of theHoly Quran of the Moorish
Science Temple of America, whereit talks about the plane of
spirit, plane of soul and theplane of things made manifest?
We would call that inFreemasonry Blue Lodge, wouldn't
(53:16):
we?
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, and what he said was when matter made man,
how about that?
Speaker 2 (53:25):
That's deep man.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
It's a great question to me, I think.
Is the religion Jehovah Witnessconnected with Masonry or come
from Freemasonry?
Speaker 2 (53:34):
We have heard about that before the founder, wasn't
it Mormon they?
Speaker 4 (53:37):
believe.
Brother Mike, you hit it righton the nose.
There is.
There's many studies on thefact that the founder of the
Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter-day Saints, aka the
Mormons, a lot of theirstructure is based on the Royal
Lodge.
That's just the truth.
Yeah Go Smithy.
A lot of their structure isbased on the Royal Lodge.
(53:58):
That's just the truth.
Yeah Go Smithy.
He got hung over a bridge,right, you already know You're
funny, you're funny, mikey.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
No, as we said last week, the institution defends
itself.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
The institution defends itself the institution
defends itself.
To Brother Mikey's point, lookup William Morgan and the
anti-Masonic party that tookplace in upstate New York.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Listen.
You take an oath and again Iknow they're going to make a
soundbite out of this.
You take an oath you live by.
They're gonna make a.
They're gonna make a soundbiteout of this.
You take an oath, you live bythat oath uh, oh, somebody's
gonna take that.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
They're gonna take what you just said, right, and
then right after that they'regonna have Sharif say something
crazy.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
You already know let me rewind it back.
I live by an oath.
Hold on, is that any different?
Let me rewind it back.
I live by my job, is that?
Speaker 4 (55:01):
any different?
Follow me.
Is that any different, brotherRon, than the knowledge
knowledge degree and theknowledge knowledge culture
lesson?
Have you not heard?
Speaker 1 (55:10):
that your word shall be bond regardless to whom or
what?
Yes, my word is what bond, andmy bond is what life and I will
give my what life before mywords shall say Come on bro.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, and I went speaking on that brother
Cosmology Bay man, making sureyou know I acknowledge your nine
dollars, bro, I said borndollars, right.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
No, let's get real about.
Just add one more thing whenyou are born in a family, you
didn't pick your relatives, it'sby blood.
There you go.
When I stepped into thisinstitution, I selected you to
be my brother under God, and aprince, that's it Yo.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
there's nothing better.
That song's 133.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Man, let that oil dip .
How sweet it is to see mybrother like oh my God, I can
say it in French Nothing better,there's nothing better.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
You see what I'm saying Now.
The people that follow me onthis this is also part of the
Negro problem the people thatwould look down on what we just
spoke on, are people that havenever really experienced true
brotherhood or love.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
See, they're emotionally broken.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Kill yourself Basically.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Basically.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
I'm not playing, mike .
You're so hostile.
It's that, brooklyn?
Oh, just like ignorance,sometimes people need to hear
that People kill yourself Now.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
For the last question how did the crusades tie into
the origins Of modern Freemasons?
Speaker 4 (56:50):
Well Research Jacques de Molay.
Research Jacques de Molay InFriday, the 13th yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
I'll tell you this the first crusades.
The first crusades Was theChristians killing everybody.
I mean Jews, muslims, justeveryone.
(57:22):
He's correct.
They didn't care who, they justwanted everything so called
witches, if you were herbalistthat was the first crusades yep,
that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
First, Crusades Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, yep, that's crazy man.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
Yeah, that's right.
What is it?
Eurythmics, reconquista and theInquisition.
Yeah, that was a continuationof the Crusades.
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
It's a fact, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
It's a fact, got you Mm-hmm.
Yeah, god, good to see greatminds added on to the cypher.
Yeah, god, peace, peace, peaceto god.
And on that note to that pointreal quick.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
One of the things that was, for me, that was dope
about this particular podcastepisode is that we were able to
demonstrate the universality ofnot just the knowledge but the
universality of obligation andresponsibility with the
knowledge of course right, ofcourse see yeah indeed, indeed.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
On that note, man, thank y'all for coming out this
evening thanks, my brother weappreciate y'all for coming out
this evening.
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