Unity Conference with Cozmo EL, Be Knowledge and Kevin Ali

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SPEAKER_02 (00:10):
What's going on, everybody?
Out there is Ron Brown, LMT, thePeople's Fitness Professional,
aka Soul Brother Number OneReporting for Duty.
And tonight we have we have apowerful bill, man.
We have the Unity.
I called it the UnityConference.
That was just something thatcame to mind.
I said, let me just name itthat.
And uh, you know, that's what itis.

(00:31):
So we have uh the brother CosmoL Islam to the Moor.
Islam Islam National NationalGrand Sheik of United MSTA.
And then we have the God BKnowledge from the 5% Nation.
Peace to the God.
Peace.
Oh, yeah.
Can't forget to the Earth.
Can't forget the Earth.

(00:53):
Peace to uh uh Asalam Alaikum toMinister Kevin Ali.
Waikum salaam.
All right, so now let's get Iwant to get straight to it.
I want to address the elephantsin the room first before we go
into any other questions, right?
So there are there with thesewith these three groups, there
are elephants.

(01:13):
Okay, I'm gonna start off withuh Kevin Ali.
Um in regards, okay.
So Kevin Ali, what's your takeon the NOI members taking issue
with the 5% nation due to thefact that 120 comes from Supreme
Wisdom?

SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
That is a phenomenal question.
Had you asked me that question30 years ago when I, or 35 years
ago, 38 years ago, when I firstbecame a registered member of
the Nation of Islam under theleadership of the honorable
Elijah Muhammad, I would haveanswered it much differently.
Uh, I will say this.
After 1975, we all know that themessenger, Elijah Muhammad's

(01:57):
blood son, Wallace D.
Mohammed, told all theregistered members to get rid of
the lessons.
He told them to throw them away.
He told them to burn thelessons.
Now, yes, I understand why manymembers of followers of the
messenger said, you know, well,it was wrong just to take them
to the streets.
It says right on the lessons forregistered Muslims only.

(02:21):
However, had the gods and theearth not picked up those
lessons, well, I'm not, well, Ican't say cause and effect.
I will say we know they pickedup those lessons, they memorized
those lessons, they kept thoselessons alive and well.
I liken the 5% nations and thenation of gods and earth

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somewhat to the Sunni Muslimswho kept the Holy Quran pure.
That's the history.
They kept the lessons pure, theykept it memorized.
You can't make somebody throwaway what's in their mind and
memorized.
You can always tell them tothrow away a book, but you

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cannot make them.
So, because of that, thoselessons were kept and prepared
and put into the minds of ourpeople.
So I would have answered it muchdifferent 30 years ago.
But I see the ultimate wisdomand on why that actually took
place uh post-1975.
And thank Ava that it did takeplace.

(03:23):
Who knows where we may have beenif it had not?

SPEAKER_02 (03:27):
Okay, that was easy.
Any anyone want to uh chime inon that?
I I want to hear the otherbrothers' opinion as well.
I I'd love to hear it.
So the question was the questionwas what's uh to Kevin Ali.
I posed the question, what'syour take on some of the MO N

(03:49):
NOI members taking issue withthe 5% nation due to the fact
that 120 comes from SupremeWisdom?

SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
Only thing I have to say to thatis that nobody from the NY that
like is rooted in theunderstanding of Elijah's
teachings would even have aproblem with that in the first
place.
You know, so anyone that reallyknows what they're talking about
would never have an issue in it.
Um, I understand for registeredMuslims only what he said.

(04:23):
So when we talk about, you know,building nations of our own and
what Allah did, you know, as thefather of our nation, like the
flag, that was another, youknow, act of that emancipation,
you know, and build your own.
I'm gonna take this and I'mgonna go do what?
My own thing with it.
However, what I will say to thatis he never had an idea of

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separation in the sense of theyaren't my brothers, contrary to
proper their belief, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Um Allah loved the messenger,you know what I'm saying?
And he was very, very fond ofhis teachings.
Otherwise, he wouldn't havetaken those teachings to the
streets, you know, it only makessense.
So he absolutely loved what themessenger taught.

(05:09):
The most honorable ElijahMuhammad and uh brother Kevin is
uh right in the fact that wedefinitely held on to those
teachings.
See, what a lot of brothersdon't know is what Malcolm and
what Elijah in those days taughtin there.
That's what Allah taught outthere.

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What they taught in there, hecame, it wasn't just the lessons
that he bought, he brought theteachings of the most honorable
Elijah Muhammad to the streets,right?
It was just digested by adifferent audience, it wasn't
the middle class professionalsthat Elijah was reaching, you
know.
So, yeah, I don't think thatanyone who is truly rooted in
the understanding of thoseteachings would have a problem

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with us having the lessons, eventhough they come from supreme
wisdom, because we're notdenying that we bear witness
that what the last degree andthe one of 40 tell you these 40
questions, you know, arequestions and answers asked by
W4F Muhammad and answered byElijah Muhammad when the laws
found the wilderness in NorthAmerica, February 20th, 1934.

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However, that was 1934, andeveryone had the lessons since
then.
However, it wasn't until 63, 64,you know, that Allah looked in
those lessons and said, uhsomeone is what a five
percenter.
So who's the messenger talkingabout?
And if we know that thescientists, right, which Elijah
is supposed to be at the levelof intelligence of this, that

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they predict history years inadvance, then Elijah answering
those questions was supposed toknow who was to come.
And he told in that knowledgeequality degree who is the five
percent.
So I'll say that to that,please.

SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Peace, peace.
All right, Kevin Ali, would youwant to uh chime in on that?

SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
No, no, I I I I I would tend to agree with the
brother.
One thing I would I would addand clarify though, I would
disagree slightly that themessengers movement was a middle
class movement.
That the messenger really wentafter the man in the mud.
Uh Islam found its uh home inprisons, Islam found its home.

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The the the educated classdidn't even start really even
listening to the honorableElijah Muhammad until maybe
approximately 19 late uh 1970,72.
But it was definitely not amiddle class movement.
Now, of course, were there somemiddle class of of our people
who accepted, of course.
But in general, it was a it wasnot a middle class movement

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under the honorable ElijahMuhammad.
Now, of course, that's differenttoday.
Oh, what's the difference today?
Well, you under the variousgroups that claim to be the
nation of Islam, you will seemuch many more college educ
people who have collegeeducation who have who have come
and been exposed.

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And a lot of that is due to thegods in the earth.
Because a lot of them went on,you will find they went on to
study in higher education,particularly and excelled in
mathematics.
You got a lot of gods in earthwho have their masters, who have
their doctorates in mathematics,which is what the honorable Laj

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Mohammed said that his followersshould do: get degrees in
building sciences, not insociology, psychology, but in
building sciences, mathematics,physics, chemistry, uh,
astronomy, those types ofcourses.
And those are the types ofcourses the the latter gods and
earths post-1975 started uhleaning towards as they went

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into college.

SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
Peace, peace, peace, kimi.
Now, uh any anything you want toadd on to that, God?

SPEAKER_03 (08:48):
No, no, I don't disagree that you know the
messages teaches was rooted.
Oh, I see he was trying to talk.
I think he's muted.
All right.
Islam, can't he?
Islam, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:59):
Islam, no, I think they uh thoroughly addressed uh
that particular topic.

SPEAKER_02 (09:04):
All right.
So, but indeed, be knowledge.
You had something to say.

SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
No, I was just saying that I don't disagree
that the messages teachers isalso rooted in the mud in the
prison yards, you know.
But I definitely, you know,across from aside from middle
class professionals, um, I guessthat's what was more propagated
and what they were more knownfor.
You know, I ain't gonna saythat's what they were uh
strictly consisted of, becausethat's definitely not true.

(09:33):
So I agree with them.
Middle class and middle agedmore so, which is more inclined
to be have your shit togethermore, you know.
So you know, that's they cansave those funds a little
better.

SPEAKER_02 (09:46):
All right, so we're gonna move on to Cosmo L.
What's your stance uh as itpertains to Moors having issue
with the Nation of Islam becauseof the fact that, you know, it's
said that the Nation of Islamwas inspired by the MST of A.

(10:06):
And Elijah Muhammad and uhMaster Farad came out of the
Moorish Science Temple, and uhaccording to science, black
means death according to the MSTof A.
However, Elijah Muhammad taughtthat the black man was God
throughout the whole doctrine.

SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
Mm-hmm.
Islam.
Well, you have uh that's aboutthree questions in one.
So uh I'll do my best to addressit in so far as uh more is
having an issue with the topicsthat you speak about, primarily
the first one about the nationof Islam either being inspired
or coming out of the MooreScience Temple of America.

(10:45):
I think the issue uh with thatis mainly just uh looking for an
acknowledgement, you know,acknowledgement that uh there
was some teachings and someinspiration uh and some coming
out of the uh Morris ScienceTemple of America, which uh you

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know up until recently hadn'tbeen uh substantiated uh
historically.
Uh actually it kind of it hasbeen for if you were in those
circles where you would whereyou would know.
But when Farrakhan at uh sayaround 2014, I think it was,
when Savior's Day, he had thebanner with Nobu Juwali in the

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middle and he addressed thesubject and and saying that uh
honoring uh Prophet Nobu Juwaliand him uh bringing uh the
message to America.
Uh if you were in the circles ofthe uh Balalians or uh the
former nation of Islam, uh underor the American Muslim mission

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under Warfdin Muhammad, the sonof Elijah Muhammad, uh he spoke
on it various times on how theoriginal fruit of Islam uniform
uh was the uniform of the Moors,the red fez, the blue suit, and
uh even uh the uh themessenger's brother John
Muhammad still wore uh uniformssimilar to that with the red

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flares and the blue suit.
Uh so it has been acknowledgedby, it had been acknowledged by
various people who would know.
Uh however, it was uh deniedemphatically up until excuse me,

(12:35):
I'm I'm in Hawaii out herevending, uh, so uh that you know
happens every now and then.
However, uh when the savior'sday it was acknowledged by uh
Minister Lewis Farrakhan, thatuh kind of uh uh served as that
that acknowledgement.
And uh it it is just a it's justa fact.

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It doesn't take away from uh themessenger, it doesn't take away
from any of the actions on onwhat they did, but I think I
think uh acknowledgement of theroot is what issues uh Moors
have.
Um coming from California, uhMoors and the Nation of Islam,
we've always got together uh gottogether and and got along and

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done things, so it wasn't somuch of a problem for us in that
region.
Uh secondly, um uh as far as uhblack according to science
meaning death, uh I think thatin order to understand that, we
have to know what science,right?
Because obviously when you'redealing with the black carbon

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atom and you're dealing withcarbon being the building blocks
of all life, uh that that doesnot apply.
Um, if you if you know, so wehave to understand what science
is is being dealt with.
And that science that is beingdealt with is political science.
Um black uh as a term foridentity and or I should say,

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excuse me, nationality has uhits meaning within the construct
of the United States of Americaand always has historically uh
been associated with the slaveclass and uh law, stemming the
black codes and uh otheraspects.

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Uh, we have to also understandnot just black but white, right?
Because white means purity,purity means God, God means
ruler of the land.
And so these are uh uhsymbolisms that have been
anthropomorphized, the Europeananthropomorphized white being
purity and applied it to hisrace.

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And so now uh uh went around thetime when the uh Elijah
Muhammad, uh Messenger ElijahMuhammad comes, you know, the
with the dialectical aspect ofit, turning that concept on its
head and showing all thepositivity related to black as
opposed to its negativeconnotations in the dictionary.

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However, when it comes to thepolitical status, whether it be
um uh Moore are familiar withthe term negro, and most people
would not accept the term negroat this point in time.
However, uh black is just theEnglish word for negro.
So it it uh we have to know thescience and politically what it

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means in the United States ofAmerica to use that term uh
politically, socially, andeconomically.
However, uh, so another thing Ilike to add, you know, uh when
you talk about the black powermovement, you know, and more
say, well, how can you supportblack power?
Because it are the so-calledblack people that are the

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disenfranchised that need thepower.
And as as a Moorish AmericanMoslem, I know that we have the
solution, not saying weexclusively have everyone has
solutions, but I'm talking aboutour solution to help get our
people misnomering under the thecaste status of black uh to the
power.

(16:15):
So uh I think it uh it comeswith understanding uh the
doctrine, understanding what itmeans.
Um when the messenger came, itwas the Asiatic black man,
right?
So, you know, that term Asiatichad another connotation.
It was it was differentiatingbetween other Asiatics, and at

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some point it ended up justbeing uh black.
So uh when it comes to black andand its association with death,
it's dealing with politicalscience, it's dealing with
nationality in the concept of uhnation's uh statehood and
citizenship and bloodline asopposed to just an overall

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identity uh and being associatedwith life and the and the black
carbon atom and the universe andall of these things.
All of these things are exactlytrue.
So I think we just have topinpoint what is exactly being
said and create dialogues likethis so that ones can uh uh not
have conflict with one anotherand understand what uh we're

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talking about.
Um, I don't mean to belong-winded, but you do have
those that will say, hey, uh themessenger Elijah Muhammad took
it off nationality and went intoblack.
Uh we can see the the economicand the and the social and
political solutions that hedemonstrated and that were uh
multi-successful.
And you have to realize at thattime, Moors were in a lot of

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trouble.
You know, Moors were out thereuh uh doing things that they
shouldn't have been doing thatwas bringing a bad name upon the
uh the movement.
And so the that type ofdisassociation would only uh be
natural.
And uh we judge a uh we judgesomeone by the fruits of their
labor.
And based on the fruits of thelabor, you know, no one can can

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argue with that.
It's off.

SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
So so more, real quick before we move on to be
knowledge, because I just wantto make knowledge born on this,
right?
The problem is, right, there areMoors out there right now,
probably a small group, maybe20, maybe 50.
I don't know how big it is,right?
Big or small, right?

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There's a group who looks at thenation of Islam as their
enemies.
So how do we deal with that whenwe're trying to move forward on
this unity?

SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
Islam, you have you have Moors out there that see
other Moors as their enemies.
So you know, it's it's thementality of the people we have
to and other Muslims as Muslimenemies, Islam.
So we're not trying to uniteeverybody, we're trying to unite
the righteous, you see, becauseif if we unite with everybody
and and they haven't cleaned up,then they're gonna bring that

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same sickness into whatever webuild in.
And so I think we have topinpoint that it's not gonna be
for everybody, but we don't needeverybody to show and prove and
to show that that uh theteachings that we all have can
be used in an uplifting way uhto uplift ourselves, our people,
and our community.
And then that will be the proof.

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It's not it's not gonna come inthe scholastics, it's not gonna
come in the in the lip service,it's gonna come in the
demonstration.
And so there are gonna be those,some of them hired, some of them
provocateur, some of them not,some of them just in their own
lower self and ego.
But they're gonna be there.
You never get your good withoutthis admixture of evil.
But if we pinpoint who we'relooking for, the righteous,

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those who have a positivemindset, those who are looking
to heal in the generationalcurses and come together, then
we can get that work done.

SPEAKER_02 (19:57):
Indeed.
That's peace.

SPEAKER_00 (19:59):
Brother Ron, were you moving on to another
subject?
Or may I may I add in to that?

SPEAKER_02 (20:04):
Uh, I was gonna move on to B knowledge, but yeah, you
can go.

SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
Oh, no, if I mean if it's no no no, add to it, add to
it, add to it.
Add to it.
Well, I was gonna say uh I'm nota representative of Lewis,
Minister Lewis Farrakhan, allthe or the final call
incorporated, so I can't speakon what they say, but I can say
that there were two people inparticular that Messenger Elijah
Muhammad had great reverencefor, who were not quote unquote

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members of his movement.
He said they were fine Muslims,and he did not he didn't just
say this one time, and that wasthe Honorable Marcus Garvey and
noble Drew Ali.
I never saw the messenger failto recognize that they were
forerunners of his.
And I never saw the messengerfail to recognize it in many

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ways.
Uh, quote unquote.
That's like saying uh the nationof Islam came out of Orthodox
Islam.
Well, of course, it comes fromthat foundation.
So I've never seen the messengerfail to recognize that.
And I would I would also add inon the uh subject of the black.
What messenger Elijah Muhammadwas describing when he called us

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black was not a color.
Uh, it wasn't a what you wouldsee on the black crayon out of
the crayola crayon box.
He had a limited time toexplain.
Think more along the lines ofwhat the color is in the
universe devoid of light.
Scientists call this acompletely different thing than

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a color.
Uh, some call it a dark matter,some call it uh some call it uh
cosmic voids, dark space.
Think more along that linebecause that is what, according
to our teachings, what the firstGod emerged from was that.
And for a simple for people whoare not scientific people, the
best way to describe that andnot talking to scientists is to

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call it black, but it has muchmore meaning than just that.
Just like we have English OxfordDictionary and you have Black's
Law Dictionary, you got the samewords in them dictionaries, but
they mean completely differentthings.
So I would have us delve furtherinto that.
It's not it, and it wasn't evena nationality.
I think you mentioned thenationality of Brother Cosmo L,

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uh Asiatic, and then hespecified it further, Asiatic
blackness.
I just wanted to add thosethings in just for the general
thought.

SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
Peace, peace.
All right, now B Knowledge,we're gonna go to this now.
Here's now I I had to save yourquestion for last.
Okay, now you ready?
All right, now what's yourthoughts on the history between
both the MST of A and the Nationof Islam in regards to the

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nation and their dealings withthe conflict with both schools
of thought.
Because, you know, uh right nowthere's like a there's like a
strong push to keep Allah'steachings pure.
Right?
There's a strong push to keepAllah's teachings pure.
And over the years, probablybefore we were born or when we

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were really young, you know, wehad uh uh Moors go around the 5%
nation.
We had the NOI had you knowminor run-ins with the uh with
with you know a lost 5%.
What's your what do you knowabout that and what are your
thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 (23:36):
Yeah, please, you know, that could be vast, you
know.
However, um, what I would say,because you zoned in on whatever
reason behind whatever problemsomebody has with either uh the
followers of the HonorableElijah Muhammad or anyone that
is in the camp of Noble Dwaliand is, you know, however they

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express that.
I would say that if you have aproblem with that, just like I
answered the last question, thenyou're probably not sure of the
purity of Allah's teachings inthe first place.
You know, I'll give an example.
Uh I just left parliamentyesterday, right?
So we've been having parliamentthe last Sunday of the month

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since 1967, nonstop, right?
And uh at the parliament, youknow, some Muslim, I ain't gonna
get into it, but Muslim brotherswalk by, right?
For the Nation of Islam.
If you know, you know that theylive up the street.
You know, temple number seven isup the street.
We 2122, Adam Clay PowerBoulevard.

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We right on the corner, 126,right over there, and they right
up there on what is it, 127?
You know, so a lot of peoplewould feel that Allah didn't
deal with other said groups orother said people.
I'll give the example I'm aboutto give for the nation of Islam,
God Supreme, right?

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A BG spoke on this too, and acouple other brothers did.
They got up and spoke after,right?
Because there was an issue witha couple of brothers had
problems with the gods, wasbuilding with the Muslim
brothers as they walked by, justas we regularly would do.
And they seen it as invasive,you know what I'm saying?
However, like God Supreme, and Iknow this history, but he

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reminded me and pulled me to theside that there's times when
Allah was around, he had aMuslim teacher teaching Arabic
in the school to his fathercenters.
So, for one, he wasn't sodogmatic in the sense of you
can't get something fromsomebody else because of how
they're thinking.

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You know, that was never histhing.
So when I say that, if they havea problem to keep it simple, if
anyone has a problem with anyonefrom Morris Science or anyone
from the Nation of Islam comingum amongst us, one, I give the
example of Parliament becauseeveryone's welcome at
parliament.
That's known.
Mayor Lindsay was amongst us atparliament, different state and

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city representatives wereamongst us at parliament.
That's how we got the propertywe're on now.
So as long as no one's trying todisrupt or what we got going on
as far as the foundation of ourteachers, it's never a problem.
Now, brothers feel that that'swhat's going on.
That's what we need, that's whatyour question is.
Brothers feel that that's goingon because they're not sure of

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the purity of Allah's teachingsin the first place.
They don't know that Allah wouldhave not had a problem with
anything either of those groupsof saying.
Because one, how are you gonnahave a problem with someone who
deal with the lessons?
That's easy right there.
That's easy there.
And then when it comes to morescience, really it comes from
brothers being misunderstood.

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And now I'll give this out.
And for those who don't know,that's amongst me, you take it
or leave it, you know who I am.
If you look at that flyer youput up about, you know, with
Brother Cosmo, myself, andbrother Kevin, right?
The founder of our flag, ouruniversal flag was designed in
the spring of 1966.

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It was admitted to Allah as agift when he came home in 1967.
He walked out on the block ofwhere our school was from what
he was doing, and Universal ShamGod opened up uh um canvas
paper, you know, and it had theflag on it.
It was just a gift as a drawingof the universe.
And he said, Son, that's ourflag.

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But if you look at what Sham Goddid, and everyone should get the
answer to his question afterthis.
If you look at what Sham Goddid, you see that seven on
circle seven, right?
You see that pressing moon andstar on the nation of Islam
flag.
If you take that to the left ofme and you take that seven to

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the right of me and you put themtogether, don't you see our
universal flag in the middle?
So I say my teachers knew whatthey were doing, and that's how
I'm taught.
I don't know about these otherguys, but yeah, we say that's we
the Asiatic black man.
And if you don't got a problem,it's because you can't see.
That's how our father broke downAsiatic is A-S-I-A-T-I-C.

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He said, as I see.
Peace.

SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
Peace, peace.
All right.
So now I just I just I wanted tokind of like get into it a
little bit.
I just want to make knowledgeborn on this because this
actually happened.
There was there was a time whereuh uh uh born mastermind went
around the school.
I don't know, Cosmo L, if youknow about this.
This would there was a timewhere uh born mastermind, he he

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was coming around the school, hewas teaching in the school, and
he brought some Moors there.
And uh whatever the Moors weredoing there, the guards didn't
like it.
So, and then that that kind ofout was that a viral thing
online?
I think that went kind of.

SPEAKER_03 (28:55):
It was, but do you have like a specific question on
it?

SPEAKER_02 (28:59):
Yeah, indeed, indeed.
So so yeah, let's just let meland.
So my point is that the brotherswent to the law school causing a
disturbance pretty much.
Not saying born mastermind, someof the Moors, right?
They went there, caused adisturbance, that went viral.

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Do you think that further causedmore strife between or
misunderstanding between theMoors and the 5% nation?

SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
Say the last part again.
Do I think what?
Oh, who's he?
You asking him or me?

SPEAKER_03 (29:39):
Yeah, but no, I'm asking B Knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_03 (29:41):
All right, okay, yeah, yeah.
So basically, uh was a brotherwho was amongst us, and he
didn't go from amongst uswillfully.
He was sincerely trying to buildwith the nation.
His name was Born Master Manala,and he's out of Jersey, and he
started.
Nobody won the issue was that.
Nobody really knows him.
And even in any politics in anynation, you can't really be like

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a stranger amongst the peopleand get up and all of a sudden,
you know, want to be one of thehead leaders and all this.
It's just not gonna go well.
You can't just pop up in thecrowd, hey, I'm gonna start
doing this, and nobody knows whoyou are.
So one, long story short, hecame amongst the nation and he
was trying to introduce.
I'm gonna clear that the Moorslike had anything to do with

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disruption.
Because it wasn't that Moorscame in there disrupting
anything.
It's that born mastermind hadpermission to do classes in a
law school at Mecca.
And he was teaching biology,food science, diet, and he was
introducing principles tonationality and birthrights.
He was introducing rights ofindigenous people, he was

(30:46):
introducing going amongst allthe human families of the planet
Earth, right?
And being recognized by you knowwho we want to be, and having
rights to this claim through,you know, various standards of
the international community,right?
So he was introducing this inthe school, and what appears to

(31:10):
be more science, you know whatI'm saying, is really just
universal law.
So when you see universal lawand a fence, or you see
universal law, right?
And a brother who says his nameis XYZ, what happens is you
mistake it for an invasion whenit may be someone who's just
doing the knowledge.

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So those brothers were just inborn mastermind class for once,
and they were very new youngbrothers that weren't a part of
any particular organization orgroup, or you know, they were
just brothers who were inappearance in apparel, you know,
in the name of more science, andborn mastermind started to come
with the nationality ofbirthright teaching.

(31:52):
Long story short, and heintroduced it as something we
should do as far as ourrecognition and going to United
Nations, and how we, as the fivepercent, having a history of
political relations with thiscountry and so on, we can get
this done.
We have a flag, we have saidsays, and so on and so on.
And being that brothers alwaysfeel that if you introduce

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anything that any other cipheris building on, they feel it's
an invasion on the lostteaching.
When saying you are when sayingyou should be moving, like I
don't have to break it downbecause brother Cosmo already
broke down with black.
So, and basically giving thatbreakdown of black, basically,
is what he did, and brothersdidn't like it.

(32:37):
Not brothers, I'll clear thisup.
So I'm gonna end on this becauseit was never a real problem in
the nation.
That's negative propaganda.
It was never a real problem in anation.
Every older brother in thenation, I mean, brothers at 70
plus, nobody had a problem withhis demonstration, right?
No one had a problem with that.
It's just he didn't come amongstthe elderly council because he

(33:00):
assumed we were disorganized,and he assumed we didn't have
the proper protocols andstructure and ranks and people
that are around because howinformal it may seem from
outsiders.
So him, oh, I'm a young brother,I'm gonna save the nation.
He thought he was just gonna getup at parliament, and it wasn't
a bunch of brothers in linealready, like, oh, it's check

(33:21):
some protocols.
Who you think you are?
I'll say that for one, and so itwas never a problem with like
Moors evading the teachers.
That was never a thing, it justgot assumed to be that because
there was some feasors in thecrowd when the controversial
video was going around.
And two, we have this thing outclear up when we say older guys,
older guys, the gods, the gods,the gods.

(33:43):
This middle-age group of dudesthat came around from popularity
and rap and the streets and soon and so on, they don't
represent the gods, they're notthe gods, quote unquote.
So every brother that you seeonline saying whatever, or every
brother you see at the schoolthat may be building doesn't

(34:04):
represent who we are.
I'm speaking for Bina Jalla.
You know what I'm saying?
However, those that know, right?
I speak with authority.
Not everyone that you seegetting off the unborn
mastermind don't speak noauthority with authority when it
comes to these teachings.
So to answer that question, itwas never an actual beef.
And when you further ask, did itfurther like put strife between

(34:30):
the groups?
Um, it did, but it wasn't theintention or the fault of Boar
Mastermind or anyone that camethere.
But if you understand propagandaand media, no do Ali, me is our
greatest weapon, right?
So when you understand that, yousee how things can be twisted
and manipulated, and it wouldhave more say, I'm not done with

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them, and it would have God saykeep them away from us.
But it was never really likethat.
So when someone said we don'tteach that or we don't teach
this, there's nothing that heactually said that we don't
teach.
It's really brothers justbullied him out of what they
didn't agree with.
Simple as that.

SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Since I have no knowledge of any of this, and I
like to say, as a as a nearly63-year-old brother, I guess I
guess I'm up there with what thebrother classified as an old
head.
Uh I know the show is a NewYorker's perspective.
As a 40-year displaced Metro NewYorker from Orange, New Jersey.
I don't come with none of thempredisposed notions.

(35:32):
I don't even know what you'retalking about, brother.
So I hope I hope it all ironedout and worked out because we
didn't hear in the South.

SPEAKER_03 (35:39):
Yeah, there's no beef.
It was just some viral videosthat some Moors were around the
school, and a brother thatbrought them to his classes.
Um, you know, some dudes feltdisrespected by who he was
bringing around and by himteaching birthright and
nationality and having a coupleMoors with him, who was just
members of the class.
There were 10, 20 other peoplethat was members of the class

(36:01):
that weren't Moors.
I was there.
I'll end on it.
I'll I know I'm gonna end afterthis.
I was there at the parliamentwhen he got up and spoke.
I spoke after him, and we'retalking this like 10 years ago.
So, and I told you I was there10 years ago and at the
parliament yesterday.
So I'm not just online talkingfrom whatever.
I was there at the parliamentwhen he got up there with his

(36:23):
cape on and in front of all thepeople, he said, This is the new
leadership of the five percent.
We looking like who the fuck isthis guy?
You know, so that's why he gotchased away, really, because of
that approach and nobody, it'snot that his idea was wrong, he
just didn't know what he wasstepping into.
Peace.

SPEAKER_02 (36:41):
Peace, peace, peace.
All right, anybody want to chimein on that?
Oh, hold, hold on, Mo.

SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
Unmute yourself.

SPEAKER_02 (36:49):
I got you.
Oh, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 (36:52):
All right, Islam.
Uh I'm I'm I'm like what brotherKevin, brother Kevin Ali said,
you know, we we didn't get thosememos out in California or
anywhere up.
That might have been somethingmore local or something that was
in that that um that circle ofpeople that was circulating
those videos and stuff.

(37:12):
And, you know, that's that's oneof the things, you know, a lot
of times uh everybody where fansis not a member of the Moore
Science Temple of America.
Everyone put on a bow tie is nota member of the Nation of Islam.
Everybody put on a black leathercoat is not a panther.
People wear these things becauseof the of the work that has been
put in and because of therespect that people have in uh

(37:35):
that Moors and people from thenation and other people have
from uh demonstrating.
And so, you know, uh you have tobe careful, especially when
you're talking about unity, uh,when you see someone in affairs
or you see somebody in inregalia that resembles an
organization and really vet themand find out, you know, are they

(37:56):
who are they reallyrepresenting?
Because uh this is how strifecan start.
Uh and they'll send people in todo it.
So uh, I mean, no more is gonnawalk up into any organization
and and and do anything likethat, just like we wouldn't want
anybody coming into a temple, acircle, a study group, a civic
group, or anything like that.

(38:17):
But we can build, you know, wecan build.
And more importantly, you know,what we need to be forming
councils, because uh those typeof that's that's how you
regulate those type of thingsand actually know who's who.
So when a situation happens, youcome back to the council where
we all are and say, hey, youknow these brothers, you know

(38:38):
these brothers, and then wehandle, we handle nation
business.
So uh or or just or just sometype of dialogue, you know.
I I like the word council uh orsome type of uh unity structure
where we're all able to uh cometogether and build, and then
when we go back to ourrespective jurisdictions,
there's there's nothing lackingthere.

(39:00):
We still have our our our um ourleadership capabilities, we
still have everything is stillintact, but we can come outside
of our temples, we can comeoutside of our parliaments, we
can come outside and form uh uhcouncils and other type of uh
committees or or things of thatnature to do things on a more

(39:20):
universal scale that benefitsall of the groups.
And that doesn't have to takeaway from what we're already
doing in our our locality ornationally.
So as we as we as we graduate tothese types of things, uh we'll
be able to make sure that thistype of strife can't be caused
by by anyone either within thecommunity or people who are just

(39:43):
influenced by the teachings ofthe community and glean what
they can from online and knowwhere to buy the the proper
outfits.

SPEAKER_02 (39:55):
So uh, real quick, man, I just want to address this
in the chat because this is thisis kind of annoying me a little
bit.
All right, and I'm being honest.
So uh brother salaam a lawalternate uh alternate channel.
Uh the flag, or not even theflag, the painting behind the
god looks like his child drewthat.

(40:18):
Did your baby make that?

SPEAKER_03 (40:20):
Uh I'm I told you I just left the parliament.
I live in North Carolina, I'mnot even home.
You know, one, I'm not evenhome, and two, this is something
my nephew wrote that says Roy GBib on it.
Literally, it's literally saysred, orange, yellow, green,

(40:41):
blue.
It literally says that on there.
It's literally a rainbow.
So I've been ignoring that thewhole time.
It's literally a rainbow.
Literally.
Where in North Carolina?

SPEAKER_00 (40:55):
I'm out, I'm right outside Charlotte.
Oh, brother, we got to we got tohook up and get some bean pie,
some coffee or something,brother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm in Concord.
I'm right here.
I'm right, I'm right in theMallard Creek area.

SPEAKER_03 (41:06):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's where I get off of workbecause I work around Cocker
Mills.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:13):
Oh, that's peace.
That's peace.
That's peace.
So as far as uh like uh what didyou what was the name that you
that you uh you you gave uhCosmo L?
Like uh like a unity federationor council, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:28):
Council, committees, federation.

SPEAKER_02 (41:32):
Okay, now how would we go about doing that though?
Like coming from your temple, beknowledge coming from where
you're coming from.
Uh Minister Kevin Ali, how howwould how would that be created?
How can we do that?
Like uh, I would say go on theon on the um the basics, the
commonalities, right, and theteachings.

(41:52):
Would you want to go with that,or how would how would you
create something like that?
You want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 (41:58):
Uh Islam, but I think that number one, we have
to understand that no nation ofpeople has population that all
agree on everything and thinkalike.
Like like your Hajj Malik ElShabazz said, that don't even
happen in Hollywood.
So what we have to realize isthat we can have these

(42:20):
differences.
These differences is what makesthe the community great.
The shepherd, the uh sheep knowthe sound of their shepherd's
voice.
So people are going to gravitatewhere they're gonna gravitate
to.
So for us to think that we'llall think alike and agree alike
won't work.
So what we what I would say thatwe would need to work on is
instead of unity of mind, unityof ideology, and unity of

(42:44):
thought, unity of of uh purpose,unity of need, right?
We all need our own hospitals orhealth clinics, we all need our
own food, we all need our ownfarms, we all need our own
construction companies, we allneed to be having that economic
power and prowess.
We all seek that.
So, in a in a sense, there aresome core aspects uh of our uh

(43:09):
ideology that we could unite on,but it may not be universal for
everyone's ideology, you know.
But we all need these as apeople.
We need to focus on what other,if we nation, we nation, nation
of gods and earth, nation ofIslam, Moors Time's temple as a
nation, right?
Nation of Moors.
So what we do is need to focuson nation business, nation

(43:31):
building.
Uh the the you look at theAsians when when they have they
their meetings and they party,they they start doing kung fu on
each other, you know.
People, you know, the the in thein the European uh power
structure, you know, the theunion, they had they went to
war, but they were still able tocome together and form a more
perfect union.

(43:52):
We don't have that kind of badblood.
I don't care what happened, wereally just don't have that kind
of bad blood.
So if we we we could pick onething or we could pick several
things and uh make it a one-yearplan, a five-year plan, two-year
plan, and say, hey, this is whatwe need to get done for our
people.
Uh find out who has theabilities and the skills to do

(44:14):
it, because we don't want justanybody.
We want people to have theknow-how, the knowledge, and the
skill.
We have those people focus onthat, get stuff done uh for our
people and the purpose.
So unity of purpose in essenceis where I would start and and
and leave the ideology back tothe individuals and their

(44:34):
jurisdiction when when we leave.
When we come together, we writein policy for the the needs of
our people.
We're not trying to change otherpeople's ideology and policy.
So it's a very simple thing.
It's it's it's been done allover the world by people who are
in the same condition that weare in.
It just takes those visionariesand those pioneers to say, hey,

(44:56):
let's do it, get together, doit.
And as people see the results,then you're gonna have more
people want to be involvedbecause a lot of people are sick
of the talk.
So they say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we have to actually show andprove, and then uh we'll have
more of a stronger voice withinthe community to get more people
involved.

SPEAKER_02 (45:14):
Indeed.
Anybody else want to chime in onthat?

SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
I I definitely wanted to chime in to say that
uh, Brother Ron, this is goingto be your most well-liked
broadcast and your most hatedbroadcast.
Uh I can tell you right now,they're gonna there are people
who are gonna love what you'redoing here, and they're gonna
people who absolutely hate whatyou're doing here.
Oh, uh Cosmo L, he ain't no realmore.

(45:41):
Oh, uh B Knowledge, he ain'trepresenting the nation of gods
and earth.
Kevin Ali, he ain't he ain'twith the minister.
How you gonna have that?
What you cut you we're gonnahear all kind of crazy stuff
before, but after this, allkinds of crazy stuff.
But the bottom line is likeBrother Cosmo L was saying, I
would rather go eat at the MSTAstake and take or the or the 5%

(46:06):
uh coffee shop than going outhere to Murder King or Mick
McDeath.
I would rather go spend my moneythere.
Uh I would rather go to thebrother who's the mechanic who
can who can fix my my Lexus uhand and be honest and do deal
fairly with me than go to theother the other one who may not
deal so fairly with me.

(46:26):
So it it I think we're startingit right now with this program
here.
That's why people are gonna loveUnity, but there are also people
among us who don't like Unity.

SPEAKER_02 (46:40):
You're right about that.
Peace to Wise, uh Wise of DomeTV.
Check out his channel.
That God has a lot of powerfulinformation on his channel.
Check him out, subscribe to thatchannel right there.
Peace to the God, peace, peace,peace.
Uh, thanks for the check-in.
Um, um, so the God be knowledge.
You you want to uh chime in?

SPEAKER_03 (47:02):
Peace, peace.
Yeah, of course.
Um, it was well said by both ofyou.
I definitely agree that thatUnited Front, that council, you
know what I'm saying?
It's what you call also acollective, you know what I'm
saying?
A collective, a council.
This is when you come together,and it is also open to
individual basis.

(47:23):
You know what I'm saying?
They are members from everygroup, as well as groups from
every group, you know, thatwould be on board with something
like this.
We all know this, you know whatI'm saying?
That there's thousands andthousands of people who
perfectly agree with all threeof these people sitting here and
what they teach, thousandseverywhere, you know, that have

(47:45):
been between all three, choseone for themselves, and that was
their home, you know.
So, what I would say in thatUnited Front as a collective, um
we know that land is the basisof that, you know, but it would
start as a think tank, what youcall a think tank.
I would say to keep the ballmoving from here, that think

(48:06):
tank.
Um, we know nationshistorically, businesses
historically have come togetherin this type of same forum where
they get together and they puttheir greatest minds and efforts
towards, you know, whatevertheir goal may be.
And I also will mention that weneed to return to being

(48:27):
semi-clandestine with ourmovement.
You know, we need to return toour underground operations being
operational and everything notbeing on the forefront besides
the mass communications andunity.
You know, there's differentlevels of media.
There's the mass media, which isdesigned to propagate to get the
masses towards your ideal, whichis just unity in this case,

(48:50):
right?
And then there's what?
There's the clandestine work,which we know is the boots on
the ground.
You may know that there's athousand acres, but you may not
have the address, you know,unless you you with everything.

unknown (49:02):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (49:03):
So the the the think tank on how that unified front
that council will start.
I think a think tank could leadto that and what he's saying
about the council.
I agree.
Where people from every nationcould be responsible, a
responsible liaison.
That's the word, a council ofresponsible liaisons between the
group.

(49:23):
So I know, okay, who I am, andpeople know who I am amongst the
nation.
Boom.
Osmo L, boom.
He's no Kevin, okay, boom,mother Kevin Ali.
These brothers are a part ofthis council, and their
standards for um thatunification, of course, not just
everyone, it's just inmembership, but it just starts

(49:44):
with something simple like this.
A think tank, I think, is very,very possible, and we all give
what we have to offer.
Like what he said about farming,we can all unify on food.
I always say food security beingthe basis of everything, and
that food security is one andthe same with land security.
And for our stop, one example islike with this shirt I got on.

(50:06):
I tie-dyed this from indigo thatI grew.
So I threw the indigo, Ifermented the plant, processed
the pigment out of it, you know,extracted the indicant, and we
created a mud paste that turnedinto a dye where you can dye,
you know, get a natural blue,non-invasive, non-toxic,

(50:28):
non-chemical pigmentation rightin your shirt and in your
clothes.
And you know, blue can mix withany color and make and make a
whole lot of things.
So, having that foundation, yousee how we could go from land to
fiber, from land to textile veryeasily.
And everyone wears clothes, youknow, everyone can use uh boo

(50:48):
dye, and saying that to alsosegue into how a unification
amongst economics and foodsecurity is simple because
indigo, right in America, in theSouth in particular, was a main
commodity of export for a verylong time, and it fueled the

(51:10):
agricultural self, which youknow we know fueled the economic
development of this country thatwe have today, you know.
So it's very simple how unityand agriculture for food
security and unity and just usbeing in this situation we're
in, and we're the consciousminds that choose to do

(51:33):
something about it.
So our people are more inclinedto be with a group of us rather
than one of us.
Our people are more inclined towant to propagate for and want
to advocate for a council suchas this.
Our people are more inclined towant to have a voting block more

(51:53):
inclined towards a council likethis.
Our people are more inclined toside with politically, um, food,
militarily, um, as far as mediais concerned, with a council
like this, as opposed to thedivisiveness.
And one thing, more thing I'llsay, I don't think that the
divisiveness is I forget how hesaid it, but he said it well.

(52:16):
The um we're not really fightingthat bad, whatever he said.
Like it's really not how deephow people think for us to
unify.
We really don't have that muchbad buzz.
Well, I think he said, like,it's really not there for us to
have to not be able to cometogether.
Like, we don't teach that, oroh, we don't teach that, or
they're not nationalized, orthey're saying black, or oh,

(52:37):
they're saying nationality,they're saying not black, and
all it's really not that deep.
I think those issues are morelocalized, and it's more really
only known amongst andpropagated amongst the people in
those groups that have thatproblem, and it's not like a
universal thing everyone has aproblem with.

SPEAKER_02 (52:55):
Peace, peace.
Anyone else want to chime in onthat?

SPEAKER_00 (53:02):
Well, the the honorable Elijah Muhammad said
that our unity is the key, andit is more powerful than an
atomic weapon, and one way oranother, we are going to unify,
either voluntarily or we will beforced to unify.
It's it's coming down the pikesooner than we think.
Uh, we can't keep eating out ofour common enemy's kitchen, his

(53:27):
grocery stores.
We can't do it.
He's he soon is going to run outof food for his own millions of
people.
So we will we will unify one wayor the other.
I would I would prefer to do itvoluntarily.

SPEAKER_02 (53:43):
For sure, for sure.
Cosmo?

SPEAKER_01 (53:48):
Islam, I I could only just echo the sentiments of
of the brothers, you know.
Um it's uh I do want to specify,you know, everybody don't have
to be involved.
You know, you you you have adelegation that that goes and
that represents and that reportsback to, you know, each
organization, you know, and thenthat way it's and as progress

(54:12):
grows, you know, we monitor theprogress.
And if uh so it it it it doesn'ttake a lot.
It's uh more like a Congress.
You just have delegations,especially if it's gonna be uh
people out, say outside of thethree, you have delegations.
Everyone knows nobody can have aproblem with it because
everybody will be participatingin what is being created.

(54:35):
See, a lot of times people haveproblems because people are
inviting them to step intosomething already created, and
so it's like, oh, wait a minute,well, I don't agree with that
part.
I don't want to stop sayingthis, I don't want to start
saying this back and forth.
So when we focus on the purposeinstead of the ideology, it
eliminates all of that.
And then we create thatstructure, we create those

(54:58):
universal laws that's gonnagovern that structure, and since
all of the delegations are inparticipation and creating it,
then there's no reason to opposeanything.
And so again, it's it's a verysimple process.
Um it why hasn't it been donethus far?
Because, you know, the the thethe lower self is strong.

(55:20):
And a lot of times when we thinkthat people are just doing
things on their own, you know,it's a it's a can uh concerted
effort to keep us from this.
Like the brother said, you'regonna have people immediately
try to discredit people or findsome other ways to take away the
impact of this conversation thatwe're having right here that's

(55:41):
just has the potential to be somuch more.
And so uh that's what's beenbeing done all this time, and we
just haven't been mature enough.
And those people that aremature, they either ostracize
them or get rid of them.
And so we have to just realizethat our people uh need us, but

(56:02):
not all of our people know thatthey need us, and that we need
to just start somewhere and andand show it because it's simple,
but it's it's when you see itdone, then that's when you you
know you build it, they willcome.
And so uh I all I can say isthat and just echo what the what
the brother said.

SPEAKER_02 (56:23):
All right.
Now, I you know, I thought thiswas gonna go longer than what I
expected.
You brothers just answered justright and exact, clear, no
problem.
So before we cut out anythingyou want to say, you know, uh
you want to get a message, youknow, a point across clearly

(56:45):
before we cut out.

SPEAKER_01 (56:47):
Islam, I like to say that you know our principles are
love, truth, peace, freedom, andjustice.
And it makes no sense for us tonot want to deal with one
another when we're dealing withall the other uh nationalities
in the world for everything weneed.

(57:07):
So if it doesn't make sense, whydo we continue to do it?
And we need to hold our supposedleaders accountable that prevent
this from happening.
Because if if if we trulyunderstand our teachings and our
teachings and our and the coreof everything is to uplift, is
to bring something better, is tobuild, then there's no way that

(57:32):
we can be again be aboutdisunity and be against unity.
So if you find someone that isagainst unity, it's either you
don't understand the lessons orwho you working for.

SPEAKER_02 (57:48):
Anyone else?

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
I see this as a as a great first step.
It may continue with somethingas simple as a simple business
change.
Who offers goods and servicesthat we need in a particular
area, that we can now get thosegoods and services from our
brother rather than from theother.

(58:12):
At any rate, I I think it's agreat thing that you're doing,
but there are people who don'twant it to happen.

SPEAKER_02 (58:20):
Indeed.
The knowledge.

SPEAKER_03 (58:24):
Yeah, no, I like what's going on.
I would just um encourage thepanels to grow, you know.
I'm sure after this, many peoplewant to reach out to you doing
the same thing, you know, oradding on next time.
I'm sure people from each groupare now gonna want to be on the
podcast and it's gonna spreadfrom here, but we need to keep

(58:45):
those tentacles growing andgrowing and keep, you know, I'm
saying, the reach of our messagestrong.
And I strongly agree with themessage of it could just start
as simple as a business exchangeand there these delegations.
I'm not asking anyone in Nationof Islam to join the Morris
Science Temple.

(59:06):
I'm not asking any gods or earthto go get their nationality, you
know, at least in that type ofway, because I do say that we
need to grow in that direction.
I'm not asking anyone morescience temple memorize their
lessons or anything like that.
I'm saying that we can cometogether on that common ground,
like we've been talking aboutall these times, and these

(59:27):
delegations from each group,those that are qualified to
speak, right, for theircommunity, the same way, right?
Shaka got everyone together, thesame way Sanjay Ake got everyone
together, the same way today.
You have European Union, AfricanUnion.
Nowadays you have BRICS, youknow, Brazil, Russia, India,

(59:47):
China, South Um uh Africa iscoming up.
So why can't we be BRICS?
That's what I'll end on.
Why can't we be BRICS?
Right.
They're totally differentcountries, economic plans,
everything.
We need to be Brits.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:01):
Check, check, check.
All right.
That's peace.
Uh, with that being said, man,you brothers did a great job
answering precisely.
You know, no, no, you know, itwasn't all over the place.
That's peace.
I really appreciate y'all forcoming out this evening.
Uh, just I'm gonna say it onair.
I sent the uh text to all threeof you.

(01:00:23):
I just sent the text to allthree of you.
You're in a chat right now.
Just uh say peace or somethinglike that in the chat.
Now you have each other'scontact.
All right, and we are out ofhere.
Thank y'all for coming out thisevening, watching the show, and
thank you, brothers, forcontributing.
Peace.

(01:00:44):
Peace, peace.
Islam, salam alaykum.
Islam, salam alaykum,

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