September 8, 2025 • 58 mins
The mind is where both our prison and our freedom begin. In this powerful exploration of psychological liberation, Dr. Dyer and host Mikey Fever challenge listeners to examine the thought patterns keeping many Black Americans trapped in cycles of limitation.
Building on their previous discussion about challenges in Black communities, this episode dives deeper into how fear-based thinking perpetuates problems despite external progress in society. Dr. Dyer doesn't shy away from uncomfortable truths: "Black people have a hard time breaking away from their own systematic emotional failures," he observes, highlighting how trauma bonding—the celebration of shared pain—has become deeply embedded in cultural identity.
Through thoughtful dialogue, they examine why residents of struggling neighborhoods often resist leaving, how entertainment targeting Black audiences frequently reinforces negative stereotypes, and the lasting psychological impact of historical policies designed to damage Black family structures. The conversation is both challenging and hopeful, acknowledging historical injustices while emphasizing personal accountability.
Perhaps most valuable is their discussion of healing through honest self-examination. Dr. Dyer encourages listeners to question where their beliefs originated and whether survival tactics passed down from previous generations still serve them today. "If we don't learn how to ask for help or to think about our thoughts, then we stay systematically in racism," he notes, suggesting that true freedom begins with psychological liberation.
This episode offers no easy answers but provides a framework for breaking cycles through self-awareness, community support, and the courage to step beyond familiar pain. For anyone interested in personal growth, community healing, or understanding the complex psychological factors influencing Black American experiences, this conversation provides valuable insights and pathways forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
peace, world peace, world peace, world.
Welcome to another episode ofnyp talk show.
I am your hopes.
Welcome to another episode ofNYP Talk Show.
I am your host, mikey Fever.
I hope you enjoyed the showwith our brother Ron Brown.
That was an hour ago.
Oh, dr Dyer Cut out for asecond, but we'll be waiting for
(00:37):
him to jump back in.
Hope all is well.
Hope everyone had a greatweekend and let's see what's
going on.
Hold on, we got dr dyer comingback in the building.
Yeah, welcome, dr dyer.
How you doing, my brother?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
welcome, mike, good disconnected good, good, good
you.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You fell out for a second and I was talking to our
listeners and viewers.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That happens, that happens.
I'm here now and you're playingsome beautiful music too.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That Erykah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Badu.
We have to give it up to her.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Salute to Erykah Badu man.
Let me give up to her.
Yeah, oh yes.
Salute to Erykah Badu man.
Let me give her her sounds.
Hopefully you know what I'msaying.
Erykah Badu was one of thegreatest.
Oh my God.
Let me tell you, I caught alive show of her one time at
Jones Beach.
Man, yeah, she worked thatmagic.
(01:44):
I don't know, she tapped intothose frequencies and had the
incense burning.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, and all that is true.
She does tap into thosefrequencies of good vibes and we
just don't really have thatanymore.
As much I should say.
There could be some people outthere I just haven't been turned
(02:08):
on to, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Definitely, definitely, definitely,
definitely.
Peace to the chat.
Peace to the chat.
Jewel, jewel and Lotus.
She left a comment.
I see what she's saying, mysister or brother.
But you know, I show you know,as an open platform where we
don't hold biases, we allowpeople to come up here and speak
(02:35):
.
But if they say somethingthat's outlandish, then we know
we will address it.
But other than that, you'rewelcome to watch and we
appreciate the support.
Peace to you and your husband.
So, dr Dyer, tonight's show ispart two of what's wrong with
black people.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And I've gotten some emails.
I've gotten some reallyflamboyant emails, I should say.
And how I would address it tothe many people who have
listened, who sent the emailssaying how can you say that, my
(03:13):
brother, you're supposed to bethe smart one, and all that?
And here's a.
If you want to start off with adiscussion in an emotional
state saying that this isn'ttrue or whatever isn't true,
whatever you believe to be nottrue, um, please come with some
(03:38):
factual data, not just from yourpersonal life experiences, not
just from, um, now, yourpersonal life experiences.
I think exactly you whereyou're going to look into it
from a data standpoint and thenstart making analysis.
(04:09):
Now you won't get any argumentfrom me when you say, well, all
data can be favorable or denied,right, and that's why you got
to look at multiple sources.
That's just from being ascientist.
(04:34):
You got to look at for multiplesources before you speak on it.
Okay, because some things canbe fluffed and some things can
be left out.
But from a historicalstandpoint, and talking to the
people I have talked to that'sbeen doing this way longer than
(04:54):
I have, whether it be Dr GeorgeFrazier, just so many people
that's been working on the Blackcommunity for 50 years, not
just been, you know, like trulytrying to help it economically
(05:15):
with wealth.
With so many people that havebeen doing this in different
sectors, who I have a privilegeof talking to In different
sectors, who I have a privilegeof talking to yeah, those are
amazing people, but they give metheir data of what they looked
at, not just my own.
They give me the things I lookat through the brain and how it
(05:37):
affects them emotionally andthen being on the streets and
talking to people who say theydeny.
And I'll give you a perfectexample.
When you talk to a black personin a community that isn't
favorable and you ask them wouldthey leave, there is a 70% of
(06:04):
them will never leave.
They won't leave the communitythat is unfavorable, like
whether it be crime written,drug written, whether it be
these all things that happens incertain neighborhoods.
Why wouldn't you leave if youknow this is going on?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh shoot.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
my hat came off, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I was scratching my head, I would say some would
stay due to financial reasons.
They'll give you the answer.
Well, the cost of living hereis cheap for me.
The rent is cheap, it'saffordable.
I'm not in that position toafford something in a more
prominent neighborhood Trulyright.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
But that's not the answers they give.
They give mostly it's becausethis is what I know Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, that's true exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's true.
So you're not saying it's nothappening in your neighborhood,
which is predominantly a blackneighborhood, but you know
what's going on and the peopleknow you, so you just stay that
is not an authentic statement.
so you're staying because you'reafraid to leave, but you don't
deny that it is happeningpredominantly in your
(07:30):
neighborhoods.
We know what the liquor stores,why they set up in Black
neighborhoods.
We know why pawn stores are setup mostly in Black
neighborhoods.
We know where the food are setup mostly in Black neighborhoods
.
We know where the food desertshappen is predominantly in Black
(07:51):
neighborhoods.
Why do you think that is?
It is because they're going offof data points that says that
these are unsafe neighborhoodsand they, rather, liquor stores,
would rather keep people drunk,confused and relied upon to
drown their sorrows than to fixtheir sorrows put them in a
(08:14):
vicious cycle exactly what'sdesigned it puts them in a
vicious cycle.
so the cycle that we constantlytalk about.
What's wrong with blackneighborhoods is that you're
stuck in a vicious cycle of notcorrecting the cycle, which is
why it stays the way it'sstaying.
You can't blame that on whiteAmerica that keeps you in, okay.
(08:35):
So if you say white Americaproduces so much of a rent hike
in other neighborhoods that itkeeps people, black people out,
that's not the only neighborhoodyou can move to, oh, but it's
near my job, okay.
So now you've given me reasonsto stay, but you're not denying
(08:57):
other reasons that they arehappening in your neighborhood.
You see what I mean.
Like I understand, like yousaid I, I know what I have here,
my rent's here, I I get here,but you're not denying that the
neighborhoods are set up for youto fail okay and so you keep
(09:18):
locked in that that's.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That's fair to say.
You know that.
We know the neighborhoods aredesigned that way to fail.
You know the lack of resources,poor education, yeah, um, and
you gotta take in consideration,you know, people's backgrounds,
walks of life, what they comethrough.
There's a lot of mental healthissues that take that take play
in that, that take part in that.
You know, um, the lack ofresources, liquor store, the
(09:48):
drugs that were placed in thecommunity, but it takes a
individual with a strong will tobreak through that.
But there are times, as you say, people drowning their sorrows,
trying to escape escapismthrough drugs.
So that's a a whole other issueright there too.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's all correct, but you can't so when people say
what's wrong with black people.
Black people have a hard timebreaking away from their own
systematic emotional failures.
Black people have a hard timebreaking away from their own
systematic failures.
It's not.
It is not a system that keepsyou down.
(10:31):
You fall into the trap of.
It's a system that I'm playingto that doesn't allow me a
chance.
So you're still waiting forsomeone to hand you something,
instead of someone for you todevelop something.
If you're waiting for someoneto hand you a chance, that's not
(10:53):
going to happen in yourneighborhood because of the data
.
How is that systematic racismwhen you keep yourself in the
system?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
okay, that's fair to say.
You know, and I think we got alot of great back for that about
what people were not agreeingthat dr dyer is not
acknowledging systemic racism.
We know they were, they were,they were um obstacles in our
path Systems.
Yeah, systems that were createdto throw us off the path.
Absolutely Not many of us hadthe perfect head start.
(11:31):
Correct, Correct, Redliningdiscrimination and such right.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But see so even in redlining.
What about those people whotook their stuff and moved to
neighborhoods anyway with thatin place?
So what do you call those typesof people?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
People with a strong will.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
With a strong will to make a difference in their
lives, not in the system's lives, not in their neighbor's lives,
but in their lives.
There's a Sidney Poitier moviethat goes back into the 50s,
right Just about moving out of aneighborhood and the mother of
(12:14):
Sidney Poitier was buying ahouse with her Social Security
was the betterment of her son,the wife and the grandchild.
So, with all the heat that themovie has put on them about them
fighting over their owninterpersonal, racial issues,
(12:35):
they did it anyway.
There's tons of people who satin class.
I sat in classrooms where I wasthe only Black person there, so
should I have?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
not been in that class because I didn't feel
comfortable.
You, you were there for a goal,you had something you wanted to
accomplish right right but youknow what dr dyer too, and
that's not not kind of notplaying the devil's advocate,
but put it in perspective isthat Our people have, you know,
(13:12):
to think a certain way.
Well, we, based on, based onexperiences that we have
encountered, have a distrust forlaw enforcement or the system
enforcement or the system, andit's not their fault because
they, because you know whattheir family members have
witnessed, what they have heardand the experiences we have gone
through.
So it's like we just stuck in asurvival mode at all times.
(13:37):
It's just survival instinctsand sometimes that doesn't bring
out the best correct, the bestof you to reach your full
tenacity.
You know you're constantlystuck in that survival mode.
In order for them to break that, they got to have a place where
they can just be at peace,because you got to think about
it.
You got the television thatgives them the narrative, the
(13:57):
media.
Then you have our music Allright, entertainment.
We tend to trauma bond, that'sall you know.
Know, let's keep it real.
Our people, we trauma bond likethe more trauma you go through.
We measure our pains, we playyo.
You know that's a real personbecause he's been through that
and you know how he or she may,you know, have overcome that.
You know we, we respect that.
(14:18):
So you think there's somethingwithin our psyche that how we
view ourselves is to be that,how we view ourselves is to be
survivors of chaos.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yes, and we've talked about this before, because once
you're in a fear-basedatmosphere of your emotional
mind, you will always stay stuckin that cycle, whether it be
someone harming you physicallyor mentally, whether it be
someone treating you fairly onyour job.
But you know you get paid everytwo weeks, even though you
(14:52):
don't like the situation you'rein.
It's hard for you to so youkeep yourself stuck in a cycle
that you don't even care to bein, but you give yourself enough
reasons to stay, which thenlocks you in still back into not
as successful or not advancingyour mental acuity, not
(15:18):
advancing your emotionalstrength, not developing a will
to break things, strength, notdeveloping a will to break
things.
We get so accustomed to whatyou call a trauma bounding and
that it's easier just to stay.
Now I'll give you anotherexample of that, too, is that if
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you watch black entertainmentyou mentioned this too whether
it be the music that is morepopular than others or TV shows
that are more popular thanothers, they shed themselves in
entertainment, shed a negativelight on the culture of black.
(16:03):
Black TV shows show more, more.
We call the the violence ofbeing who you are, whether it be
, um, some, some gang show, butthey make it right and they,
they have all this money andthey're running their little
thing or they're running theirlittle enterprise.
(16:24):
It's always on a negative sideof the law.
It's very few, very few, thatwhen people in the Black
community and Blackentertainment make it to a
successful stage in life, andthat's where the drama comes in
Right, and that's where thedrama comes in Right.
(16:53):
So we're not saying that noneof life has drama or none of
life has other types ofexperiences.
But why does a blackentertainment industry promote
more negative side of thelegality of living than on a
more tumultuous street life andthey popularize that and it
(17:13):
seems like, oh, this is okay,it's not okay.
Just like we could talk aboutthe more popular music, how they
call our women, all sorts ofderogatory names that shouldn't
be popular and actually in noother music that is ever popular
in except for blackentertainment, not one country,
(17:36):
not one country song ever talksabout.
They may talk about a bad womanwho treated them bad, but they
didn't call them no bitches andhoes.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You're right, they usually just be crying about
infidelity and they dog diedRight Right, I understand what
you're saying but you know fromthat, see on both sides of the
spectrum.
this is why I say thisconversation is most important
to have.
When you see those movies andthe entertainment, you're
(18:10):
hearing the lyrics and you'rehearing the song.
It's because people are reallyliving that reality.
Yeah, and you know.
Their way of saying you know Fyou or stick it to the man is
that you say I couldn't do this.
Watch me go out there and earnthis currency untaxed and throw
it in your face.
You understand Like I'm goingto make the places, the place,
(18:33):
the things you said I couldn'tafford.
I'm going to go out there andbuy it.
I'm going to take care of myfamily and show you that you
know what I don't need yoursystem, which is crazy because
you're still on a system,because you know they bring
exactly so exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You're still in the system, and that's what I'm
talking about you.
You don't want to be in thesystem, but you're playing in
the system.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Just because you're getting the coin from the system
doesn't mean you're not in thesystem, and that's systematic
and the the thing about is thetalent they're going to show, is
their resilience, and theirmental is like all right, I'm
going to play in this, but watchme take this money and clean it
and do something more positivewith it.
You know, open a legit businessand such.
(19:12):
Whatever the case may be.
So right, it's a trap, as theyput it.
It's a trap Depending on whichway you step in.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Which is why they call drug sales trap sales.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, it's a trap.
How can, how can we break thattrap, that vicious cycle, like
with the drug?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
we gotta start saying no, I mean, it's.
It could have started out withneighborhood watch, but
sometimes, when other neighborsdon't want to get involved, keep
my head down.
I, I don't want to be involved.
It keeps me this way, right, itkeeps me safe.
So you're not saying that itisn't right, it isn't this or
(19:53):
it's bad, right, you're saying Idon't want to get involved.
So when do you get involved?
When is it putting someone inoffice that's going to clean up
your streets?
Is that getting involved?
Are you doing at least that?
From the voting percentages,the answer is no.
A lot of black people justdon't vote.
(20:13):
Yeah, right.
We're not saying some do we'resaying that we're 12% of the
population.
We don't have 12% of thepopulation voting Right of the
black populations.
We don't have it you know, itcould be due to a lack of
(20:35):
information, misinformation andjust losing this, having
distrust for the system, correct, losing all hope right, because
politicians are crooks and theylie to us and they do all this
and you're not going to get anargument from there because
there's some nasty people outthere doing nasty things who
only look for power.
But you have to.
(20:55):
Then, still, when you startopening your voice, when do you
start calling on?
When they get enough calls that?
It's sickening that thisneighborhood is calling all the
time to clean my neighborhood up.
Maybe we should look into theneighborhood, right, but then
maybe that person that'scontrolling that neighborhood
(21:17):
puts the fear base back into thecommunity, saying who's ever
tells on me that these innocent,honest people are going to get
harmed?
So even the Black communitykeeps you in fear, along with
systems we have a fear for,which is political.
We have a we have a distrust of.
So where does that leave us?
(21:38):
It leaves us in, in, in arevolving door of doing nothing,
looking for a handout andkeeping their head down world
operating, it's the worldoperating within worlds.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
We have our own world that we live within.
So, being that, you say thatwhen they would clean up and you
know, wanting to remove crimefor our neighborhood and all the
ills within the black community, right what today's climate was
taking place?
You know I have been catchinglittle drifts here and here and
there about Trump wanting tosend the National Guard to
(22:14):
Chicago.
Yep, and I'm not going to sayI'm astute politically, but I
just want to ask yourperspective on that.
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I agree with it.
I think it should have beendone years ago.
I think it should have beenleft up to a governor to do it,
not a president.
I think A clean.
To get rid of roaches you haveto bag up stuff, you have to
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clean stuff and then you have tofumigate.
This is a type of fumigation.
It should have been done yearsago.
This is a type of fumigation.
It should have been done yearsago.
Right, I understand thediscomfort of it that it will
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cause, because everyone willhave to be checked and they will
probably be treated more of acriminal than not.
You sweep my neighborhood andyou come through my house and
you're saying your house isclean, check it off the list and
move on.
I have no problem with that, aslong as they get to that next
house and they clean that rathouse up.
Right, because it's getting ridof the poison.
We can use all the metaphors wewant, just like it would be
(23:28):
cancer.
You have to go in and create dochemo, which chemo doesn't
really specifically target asmuch as they would like to, but
it does ruin other parts of thebody.
We have to clean it and if wecan't clean it on ourselves,
then let's get this militarypresident and push things
through, because it's just, I'drather have a clean neighborhood
(23:53):
in four months than to livelike this for 40 years or four
years that's what I agree withyou.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, you know, I see it from both sides of the
spectrum.
Like you know, these mayors andgovernors could have done
something if they wanted to, orwere they restrained from doing
such things?
You understand.
So that's how I look at it, youknow, from both sides.
But I also look at it as thisthing could uncover old wounds
(24:23):
based on historical events thattook place when they had
national guards in certainneighborhoods.
When things happen, you know itcould erupt, it could go both
ways.
But I do want to see innercities cleaned up, with a drop
in violence and such.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
These are our homes, this is where we live, this is
where my cousins live, this iswhere my grandmother lives.
These are families that arestuck and imprisoned in their
home because by a certain timeof night I got to get indoors.
That only happens in blackneighborhoods.
At a certain time of night Igot to get in, I got to get
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inside.
That's sad when I've lived inother neighborhoods where
walking at 11 o'clock at nightdoesn't cause me any grief,
doesn't cause me any harm.
It's just a peaceful, sunnynight and I just want to enjoy
the air and walk around.
There's not many neighborhoodsyou could do that in the inner
(25:24):
city trap neighborhoods thatpeople live in.
Walk around 11 o'clock, forwhat you better.
Take that inside.
That doesn't.
You're only setting yourself upfor a possible slug being
thrown your way or a possiblesomething right.
So then it goes back to thatfear base.
So I'm living always in fear.
Now my fear shortens in thedaytime, but I'm still so
(25:48):
hyperactive emotionally thatit's destroying me.
And that's where we are with.
The emotional base is why we'restuck in a mental circular trap
we are.
We've been stuck in such a long.
Tremendous things yes,historical things were set up to
roadblock us, but those issuesare not an issue anymore, and
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that's the difference betweensystematic racism.
There is no systematic racismanymore.
It is something that we justmust have to do for ourselves to
be systematically free.
And that's where the fear comesin.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I got you.
I'm glad that you said that andas a brother professor base
they salute.
Salute to shawnee, piece of thechat.
Um, it's true, because you knowthe condition and the
colonialization we couldconstantly keep harping on that
it's also.
Yeah, we know already, but it'sthe things that we.
What's so crazy about it isthat in the cities, we know that
(26:55):
we don't have no ships.
We don't have no ports.
We're not gun manufacturers, butsomehow guns always find their
way in our community.
As Fab once said, you gotchildren that can't read, but
they can load a magazine.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
You understand Absolutely.
And you question these thingslike so who do you, if we trust,
if we distrust white people asmuch as we say we distrust, then
who's giving the kid themagazine?
It has to be someone that lookslike us.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, who has a handle Right, somebody who sold
themselves out.
So it's such a vicious cycledown to the liquor store like,
and I get it, you know it's allcommerce, because these
companies, you know they gottaearn their money.
It's not like they forcing itdown your throat, but it's there
, it's there.
They use the marketing andstuff and it's up to us because,
you know, you know, back thenI'm not a heavy drinker but I
(27:47):
used to run to get my littlehennessy here and there.
Yeah, get you a cigarette andall that.
It's like we have been studying, studied so well.
You know, turn your audio up.
My bad creative.
I got you.
Brother.
Can you hear me now?
Can you hear me, dr Dyer?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, I turned my audio up.
Yeah, so that's what I love, mythought, but you may continue
my bad.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No, no, no, no.
What you were saying is thatyou know, even though we may
have these trepidations that wedo, it doesn't mean that we
can't live a normal life withthe liquor stores in our
neighborhood, right, yeah, can'tlive a normal life with the
liquor stores in ourneighborhood, right, um, and,
and, and.
(28:39):
We could have this.
It's not like this, the onlyneighborhoods, right.
It's not like they're notanywhere else, but they use more
liquor sales in in, in what youcall broken neighborhoods, they
have more of a liquor salesthan they would have unbroken
neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, that makes sense when I was saying, as far
as the conditioning right, wehave been conditioned to hate
ourselves so much.
Yes, Devalued, you were a humanbeing, forced into servitude,
beaten.
They turned you to a nigger.
They gave you a definition of anigger.
(29:22):
You've been called that.
We pick it up as an insuranceand endearment and you know we
lost our path, our mores, ourway of you know being spiritual.
And then they force thisreligion upon you.
They forced it that they forcedthe religion upon you gave you
an image of a saintly deity sonof christ, whatever.
(29:46):
So now you've seen the personthat devoured you, turned into a
slave.
His image, his or her image, isseen as holy, holy and your
image is just like lostBeast-like, no value whatsoever,
right?
So then you pick that up.
Now you out your mind thinkingthat I must be if I don't look
(30:07):
like them.
That's where colorism comesfrom.
I'm not saved, I'm not holy andsuch.
And then you have groups, youhave individuals that came about
to teach their people, you knowself-salvation, to pick
yourself up like the noble DrewAli's, the Elijah Muhammad's,
clarence 13x, the father ofAllah, and all that.
And we reject these individualsso that we're teaching you
(30:32):
about knowledge of self, loveyourself, self-preservation,
unity.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And we killed our own people.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Exactly yeah.
So how can we go back?
How can we, as they say, bringthe family together?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, I think, if I mentioned this before, I think
the more people who've neverdived into our historical
presence on this planet and theymay be finally doing that now
they're so angry about themistreatment of what we have
been treated as they may knowsome segments Most of the people
maybe just know what thesegregation segments are or the
slavery things but there's beenso much more throughout the
world.
It's been a world planned right.
(31:30):
We didn't understand the fullcomplexity of the plan which I
grew up with.
My mom and my dad always taughtus about the complexity of the
plan.
So the things that werehappening, it was like look out
(32:00):
for the detour sign because it'sgoing to come.
And when I see the detour sign,this is how you can effectively
maneuver around the detour sign.
That came from such youngeducation and teaching from my
mom and my dad and my familymembers.
So I I've never harped on detoursigns.
(32:20):
I was never like shoot, I guessI'm not able to do that anymore,
I guess I'm not able to do this, I guess those things never
came into my psychic.
It was always about okay, Ihave a plan and I'll reach out
for help, or I'll have someonehelp me with my plan, someone
(32:41):
who's been there, someone who'son the other side, right, so I'm
trying to be successful in anentrepreneur business.
I reach out to the other sidefor a person who's actually made
it to the other side and saysthis is what I did, because
there's not a person on theplanet especially when it comes
to the Black community thatwon't help you, pull you over To
(33:06):
say here's my breadcrumbs.
This is how I did it.
Now you may have to adjust hereor there, but this is how you
can do it.
But if you're not reaching outand you're not getting your own
emotional fortitude settled andunderstand why you think the way
you think, I'm not denying yourthinking, but do you understand
(33:28):
why you think the way you think?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I was told that today .
I kind of had that today.
Somebody was mentioning that tome.
It's our thinking too.
It's very distorted throughpain, you know Because?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
we are the most studied and they know how we
think.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Very emotional, irrational at times.
And again Irrational,trauma-bounded, and I hate to
times and again trauma-bonding,and I hate to put this like this
, but somehow ignorance iscelebrated.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It is celebrated.
You could be logical or youcould speak with proper
vernacular.
They see it as you're trying tobe white which I always found
very sickening to me trying tobe white, which I always found
very sickening to me.
How can somebody that'sarticulate, educated, trying to
sound white, so you're trying tosay to be so-called black?
(34:21):
It's synonymous with beingfoolish right, foolish or
ignorant yeah, or illiterateweird.
So that's, that's weird, yeah.
So where does these stereotypescome from?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
we build we?
We build them into ourselvesbecause we're so connected to
the pain.
Right, we're always trying tosay that I've overcome, or it's
always a crisis, a revelation ofI got through the crisis.
How about try not to havecrisis and just have situations?
(34:56):
Right, everything's gotsituations.
You call it a crisis.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know why youcall it such a crisis, where
it's just a situation that youhave to get over, and I'm not
what you call soft footingaround what it is or what it
isn't.
But you know, I'm not going tocall something a crisis just
(35:21):
because it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Got you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And if you, and if that's why I think people don't?
People don't understand theirthought process, they don't
understand the history of theirthought process, they are not
connecting to their own thinkingprocess and they don't think
about thinking.
I'm not saying so.
(35:51):
If you think something, askyourself where did that thought
process come from?
Like, where did this?
Where did this negative part ofmy thinking, where did that
stem from?
Did someone teach me or did Ijust fall into it?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
exactly it.
Wow, that's true, that's a,that's a.
That's a great assessment thatyou just said right there,
because I hear it.
All right, the nuclear family,right as we know it, there's
been an attack on a nuclearfamily since the time of the 60s
when welfare came about, 40s,you know, I can't recall the
(36:29):
date, but the nuclear familybeing under attack, especially
the black family, yeah, and itit somehow celebrated in
situations that I knowpersonally and and have heard,
where you know, separationshappen and you got both sides
that would use a child as a pawn, right, you know, you got
(36:50):
mothers that want to say singleparent, you're just a single
woman, not a single parent yeah,you're seeing a woman yeah, and
fathers say the same thing, butthey just lose sight of that.
and then the system helpsperpetuate that more you get
what I'm saying and then itdestroys that, it destroys that
structure, that that fabric,very fabric of family.
(37:11):
And then day one it perpetuatesanother generation of that same
thing.
So we got people running aroundhere feeling incomplete and
this is the product that you see, that's outside in the world
now.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Single parent home and son.
And again these factors.
You said the 60s, but when theystart removing the male from
the woman's area of operation, Iwas going to say AO.
That's usually that slaverymovies where the welfare people
were saying you can't get acheck unless he leaves the house
(37:45):
.
And in this movie I just Iremember that it was Cicely
(38:05):
Tyson and oh my God.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Was it Claudine or James?
Earl Jones?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yes, claudine, right, right, classic, classic, right.
And.
And he said you're not going totell me what I'm going to be
with my family.
And he stayed and they workedit out and they you know, he had
his own personal struggles, shehad his struggles, but they
stayed as a family.
So this is not something new.
(38:36):
This is something that we hadto either say we're going to
stick together.
I may have my own personaltroubles, I may have my own
thing, but we are stickingtogether and we're going to have
this family.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Shout out to the creator of Boundless Universe.
That's a fact.
Willie lynch played a role too.
That willie lynch letter ohyeah before dr diet.
Absolutely.
It's so detailed and graphicand such a vicious plan that it
was so oh it's smart, yeah, it'ssmart very intricate.
(39:09):
It's like the so-called enemystudies you so much more than
you study yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Exactly, and that's what I was talking about before.
Right, if you don't know howyou think, then someone's
implanting a program into you soyou could think this about
yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Exactly.
They know your every move, howyou're going to react.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
How you're going to react.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
He's going to get angry.
Make sure you put those newports in that store for him,
that liquor store right there.
Tax season coming around, let'sput these sales up in the
neighborhood.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Let's let them spend more money on throwback jerseys
than putting some money intoeducation or trade school.
You have a throwback jerseythat costs how much?
I don't know.
I don't have one.
How much is a throwback jersey?
Give me a price.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I don't know.
I can say like $300, $600.
Anybody in the chat knows howmuch a throwback jersey costs.
If you can recall wearing thoseback then.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Or an authentic jersey, but if you're going to
spend, let's say, $300 on ajersey where now you can
actually go online and get likean IT security specialist
license, for the same price, Imean right.
(40:30):
It's the same prices as a jerseyand sneakers.
You can enroll yourself intoschools.
That is willing to take and payfor your schools.
If you just enroll to help youbetter yourself or to spend on a
class.
If you want to get into realestate, so we can help you get
into real estate and so you canstart, you know, um, working
(40:52):
those different endeavors.
There's tons of opportunity outthere.
So what's the reason why mostpeople who go into it are not
people of color?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
they don't want to work for the men, they want to
do for self.
And I'm not saying there'snothing wrong wanting to do for
self, I'm all for that, Irespect it.
100.
But you know, some people likeyou say they want to get out
that system or they don't havethe time.
They may not have the time dueto circumstances, you know then
why have?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
why have the time to spend it on a jersey and
sneakers?
Speaker 1 (41:26):
because that's a mental problem there was this
book called um how to sell aNegro, Buying of a Negro.
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Absolutely, it was a story.
It was actually a book abouthow to inflate the Negro.
It actually was started in, Iwant to say, the 40s.
It was about a hat maker how tosell to a Negro.
Matter of fact, I think there'sa video out there of how to
make a Negro feel important whenthey're buying a hat.
(41:56):
The price goes up on a hat andyet you let them feel like
they're important because theywere feeling important by the
clothes they were wearing.
So that clothes gave themstatus, whether it be a new pair
of shoes or a suit or whatever.
So they're not like the otherfield Negro, I'm better right.
So this was all wrapped up intoselling to the Negro and they
(42:19):
perfected it.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Well, creative Balance said the key in Willie
Lynch was to get the so-calledNegro woman to eat from his hand
and she would serve the malechildren to work for him.
Perpetual servitude that's afact.
My brother, I agree.
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And we have policies to prove that.
It worked in slavery.
It worked in the 30s.
The New Deal came out withLyndon Johnson and it worked in
welfare.
It works and we keep allowingit to work because we keep
adhering to it.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Of course.
So this is why we need to dowork, both male and females.
I say the most important thingis the family structure and just
a sense of community outside,even if you're single.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We need to learn how to respect one another again,
how to embrace one another.
I know it sounds like I'mlooking for, you know, kicking a
fantasy to you, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
But the song stays the same.
Its song has never changed fromwhen you have a person like
Harry Tubman, who has shotNegroes because they didn't want
to escape.
It's a known fact.
She shot Negroes because theywere going to tell, because they
(43:53):
didn't want to get caught.
We have more of those peoplewho need so sad that needs what
you call a Harriet Tubman lessonbecause they're afraid of
getting caught.
they're afraid of taking thatpower will chance to move to the
other thing, Like how in theworld do you get a slave to
(44:19):
fight for the South?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Make them a false promise.
That's right.
But you know what was so real,what you said, the buy and sell
into a Negro.
I remember a few months agothere was a whole uproar where
china came online and said we,what you consider so-called fake
clothes, we make in the samefactory as these real clothes
that you get from thesedesigners that you pay top
(44:46):
dollars for.
I remember explaining that topeople within my circle and I
was like you.
You were out there spendingrent money on a bag where you
could go right down to canalstreet downtown off the ground
and get that bag for 40, 50dollars.
Meanwhile china's exposing itand they're like no, I would
(45:07):
never do that.
I gotta go to the store, getstore, get the full experience.
You know, and I'm not knockingyou, it's your money.
You do what you want to do withit.
But it has been exposed to youfor years.
Like the cost of making thatbag is five cents.
A person is getting paid fivecents an hour, maybe 20 if lucky
20 cents.
But you will spend yourhard-earned dollars on that and
(45:32):
I get it.
It reward yourself.
But it's like again, you wantthat social status to be part of
the inclusive exclusive.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
You get what I'm saying I do, but we but when you
, when, like when we do wealthsummits and wealth um closing
the wealth gap and in the blackcommunity and and I've been part
of these summits and I'vealways talked about the mental
part of why people are afraid ofbeing wealthy.
So many Black people are afraidof being affluent because
(46:09):
they've always been subjected tobeing underfoot.
And when you're not underfootand you're out there trying to
do what you need to do, it'skind of scary out there because
if you don't work, you don't getpaid.
If you're not out therehustling trying to build your
(46:32):
brand, trying to do this,nothing happens.
No one just bumps you in thehead.
But you can work really hard ona job and maybe get a thank you
, maybe.
Maybe get a thank you andyou're okay with that yeah, the
mind of a negro.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I think the next show we should do is exploring the
mind of the negro.
How many?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
we could do it right now.
It's sadness, it's completesadness, and that sadness
created a sickness and thatsickness created systematic
racism that they believe they'rein.
So they're still upholdingredlining.
No, there's no redlining.
If you can afford a house, youbuy the house.
Now there is no redlininganymore.
(47:20):
Right when you're black, youliterally can't buy in this
neighborhood.
They can call it redliningbecause all the houses in this
neighborhood are this figure.
Now, that's not saying youcan't buy, it's saying that you
can't afford it because youdon't know how to work it to get
there.
If you stay on this path,you're only going to get so much
(47:42):
to the ceiling, like yourceiling has a limit.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
And the thing about it, I'm all for it.
You know, get your dollars, getyour home thrive, do what you
must do, right.
But what happens when those whodo follow the path?
They go and leave theneighborhood and go into these
affluent neighborhoods, and thenthey got to deal with the
racism Right For going there.
Like you know, sometimes theyfeel like Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
So we said this before.
One of the things that we can'tstop is racism in America, of
course, right.
So there are racism in America.
There are racist people of alldifferent shapes and sizes and
colors in America, but beingsystematic, isn't it?
(48:33):
You see what I'm saying.
Now you can go to thatneighborhood that you've always
maybe wanted to, and you mayhave an unwilling neighborhood
that doesn't like you there.
That's good for you and it'sgood for him or them or whoever
they are.
The reason why it's good foryou is because it's getting you
(48:56):
out of your comfort zone of howto navigate your life, of how
you want to live.
You may never talk to thatneighbor again, matter of fact.
You may have nothing to do withthat neighbor neighbor again
matter of fact.
You may have nothing to do withthat neighbor.
And there may be some little,you know, slightness that goes
(49:21):
on, right, like my garbage canis always getting knocked over.
It's got to be, it's got to behim right, like, of course,
right.
So you may get into some ofthose, but you're not going to
get into blatantness, becauseit's always subtle, right?
Um, they may never wave at you,isn't that okay for you?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
that's okay right, that's fine I wouldn't care I
don't want to tasteeless potatosalad with raisins.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Right, you may have a barbecue at your house and your
whole family comes over.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
So what.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
That has nothing to do with them or you, so it
doesn't cause you any strife.
It doesn't cause you anysickness.
It just means you're movingforward.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Exactly that's true.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Now, if they kill your dog.
We have a whole other mentalissue to it.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Then we turn to John Wick.
I got you Right?
No, but you know, because I dofeel like we within our
communities, and I love mypeople I love, I love people,
period.
But I love my middle-natedbrothers and sisters.
I don't care what country youcome from.
I want to see the day when theneighborhoods are cleaned up.
(50:45):
Yeah, put aside, you know, evenfor those who don't see the
vision.
You know I'm saying there maybe a point where you have to get
rid of them, but I do want tosee our communities become the
affluent community.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Absolutely, and it can be.
But we create our own chaos bycreating our own noise.
We're so addicted to the chaosand the noise so we can drown
out our own personal thoughtsand feelings.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
That's true.
That's true.
It's easy to blame someone elseinstead of taking that
accountability.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Like I love.
I love, like I've neverunderstood the thumping of music
, when I love music so much,listening to a crisp sounding
audio system where I can hearthe notes and the feelings and
the lyrics and the tonations andwhatever is going on that is
(51:47):
putting together this flavor ofsound.
I love all that, but when itcame to the high thumping, it
muddled so much that.
Are you listening to the music?
Are you listening to thethumping, which some people
could say, well, the thumpingresulted into the heartbeat or
(52:09):
the drum beat of the native.
Okay, resulted into theheartbeat or the drumbeat of the
native.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Okay, but the drumbeats of native drums have
pitches to them.
The backbeat.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah right, it has a pitch to it.
It doesn't have a one soundmodel, model, model.
It has certain pitches to it,which is why the heart it is why
it can resemble the heart as adrum, because the heart has
different pitches to it, justlike good drumming or good types
of beats have pitches to them.
(52:41):
But if it all sounds one thing,they're not trying to get to
your emotional side, they'retrying to keep you stuck into a
empty side no substance, justnoise noise no substance, just
noise, got you, my god, dr dyerman, my brother man, you really.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
You really came out tonight, man, and demonstrated
as always.
For us, man, it's a pleasure tohave you on here.
It's a, it's a real pleasureand we gotta we gotta come back
with a different show man.
I really want to get into themind and the making of a Negro I
believe we've done somethinglike that but to go real deep
into the science and the makingof a Negro, because it's
something that we have to.
(53:24):
As Brother Ron always said, wegotta kill that Negro.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
We do.
We do Because that Negro is theoverseer.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, and salute to creative balance universe.
Thank you for this, but a superchat, he said.
We have to realize those peopleare damaged mentally and
suffering as well.
They are manifesting from afear they have as well.
That's a fact, brother, thatthey have as well.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
That's a fact, brother, that is a fact.
And we talk about that fearbase.
And so here's where we cansolve the damaged person
mentally that is suffering.
We cannot look into a crystalball.
We are not soothsayers, we arejust not.
This is not a magic show.
Someone has to say something,or someone close to them has to
(54:13):
say something to say Mikey,you're not feeling well, let's
get some help.
I'll go with you, let's findsomeone.
Matter of fact, let me call theshow, let me email the show and
see if Dr Dyer knows anyone inthis neighborhood, this area.
I probably do Right that youdon't have to travel that far
(54:34):
from to get this worked out,because once you start
understanding your own thoughtprocess, you become mentally
unwound.
So now you get to lay it outand to see it from the
30,000-foot view to say, man,I've been living like this, this
has caused me this, this hasdone this, and now you can
(54:55):
actually seek individualizedhelp Like how do I get past this
anger, how do I get past thistype of thinking every time this
comes up?
That's a fact, man.
But we can't do that unlesseither someone close to you that
says something or something yourecognize that you want to keep
(55:18):
unfolding and start thinkingabout your thoughts Got you and
how they got there.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Hmm, so basically is healing a lot of psychology.
Which psychology approach wouldyou recommend for our people?
Traditional or that darkpsychology?
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I I say first be open and honest with yourself.
That's the psychology.
If you can't do that, there'sthere's nowhere to, there's, no,
there is no basis for you to goanywhere if you don't be honest
with yourself.
Like you know, I I've beenthinking like this for a long
time.
I'm not even sure if it's right, it may not be right or wrong,
(55:57):
but do you understand why youthink that way?
That's all like it's.
There is no right and wrong do,but do you understand why you
think that way?
Well, I got this from my mother, I got this from my mother, I
got this from my grandmother.
Okay, well, she was brought upwhen she was carrying over from.
This was her survival techniquebecause she was raised in this
(56:19):
era.
So she kind of put that on youand you're carrying over to this
era.
But it has split.
We're not in the same era, soyou cannot use the same tactics.
We're not in the same era.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
So you cannot use the same tactics, and I believe I
mean not believe.
I know that's one of theAchilles heels that we're
dealing with.
It's stuff that generationalthings that were passed down
that were not properly vetted orexamined Right right, and
that's for another show.
Dr Dyer, my brother, Iappreciate you, man, for coming
out tonight.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Always.
It's been a blessing, because Ido as you said too, mikey, and
I've told Ron this I want ourpeople to heal too, because
without healing, Includingmyself.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, I mean myself also.
That's why I do what I mean.
I look at myself all the timeand my thought process and how I
think or whatever.
But if we don't learn how toask for help or to think about
our thoughts, then we staysystematically in racism.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Exactly.
No, it's true, Because my thingis I'm quick to poke the middle
finger up and just say you knowwhat?
No, it's true, Because my thingis I'm quick to put the middle
finger up and just say yo, youknow what, I just want more.
I don't got time for the backand forth, Like before somebody
here get hurt.
Man, let me get up out of hereand give you that middle finger
and call it a day.
So, with that being said, don'tforget people to comment, like,
(57:48):
share, subscribe.
And we want to thank you, DrDyer, for coming out tonight
again.
This doctor is great.
You can reach him, he'saccessible.
This brother will give you thenecessary tools you need to take
the next step forward.
We love and appreciate you, DrDyer.
Thank you for coming out, mybrother.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
All right Peace brother.
Peace my people Be kind,compassionate and be safe out
there.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Definitely Anytime brother Peace.
Kind, compassionate and be safeout there.
Definitely Anytime brotherPeace.
peace, world peace, world peace, world.
Welcome to another episode ofnyp talk show.
I am your hopes.
Welcome to another episode ofNYP Talk Show.
I am your host, mikey Fever.
I hope you enjoyed the showwith our brother Ron Brown.
That was an hour ago.
Oh, dr Dyer Cut out for asecond, but we'll be waiting for
(00:37):
him to jump back in.
Hope all is well.
Hope everyone had a greatweekend and let's see what's
going on.
Hold on, we got dr dyer comingback in the building.
Yeah, welcome, dr dyer.
How you doing, my brother?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
welcome, mike, good disconnected good, good, good
you.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You fell out for a second and I was talking to our
listeners and viewers.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That happens, that happens.
I'm here now and you're playingsome beautiful music too.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That Erykah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Badu.
We have to give it up to her.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Salute to Erykah Badu man.
Let me give up to her.
Yeah, oh yes.
Salute to Erykah Badu man.
Let me give her her sounds.
Hopefully you know what I'msaying.
Erykah Badu was one of thegreatest.
Oh my God.
Let me tell you, I caught alive show of her one time at
Jones Beach.
Man, yeah, she worked thatmagic.
(01:44):
I don't know, she tapped intothose frequencies and had the
incense burning.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, and all that is true.
She does tap into thosefrequencies of good vibes and we
just don't really have thatanymore.
As much I should say.
There could be some people outthere I just haven't been turned
(02:08):
on to, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Definitely, definitely, definitely,
definitely.
Peace to the chat.
Peace to the chat.
Jewel, jewel and Lotus.
She left a comment.
I see what she's saying, mysister or brother.
But you know, I show you know,as an open platform where we
don't hold biases, we allowpeople to come up here and speak
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.
But if they say somethingthat's outlandish, then we know
we will address it.
But other than that, you'rewelcome to watch and we
appreciate the support.
Peace to you and your husband.
So, dr Dyer, tonight's show ispart two of what's wrong with
black people.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And I've gotten some emails.
I've gotten some reallyflamboyant emails, I should say.
And how I would address it tothe many people who have
listened, who sent the emailssaying how can you say that, my
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brother, you're supposed to bethe smart one, and all that?
And here's a.
If you want to start off with adiscussion in an emotional
state saying that this isn'ttrue or whatever isn't true,
whatever you believe to be nottrue, um, please come with some
(03:38):
factual data, not just from yourpersonal life experiences, not
just from, um, now, yourpersonal life experiences.
I think exactly you whereyou're going to look into it
from a data standpoint and thenstart making analysis.
(04:09):
Now you won't get any argumentfrom me when you say, well, all
data can be favorable or denied,right, and that's why you got
to look at multiple sources.
That's just from being ascientist.
(04:34):
You got to look at for multiplesources before you speak on it.
Okay, because some things canbe fluffed and some things can
be left out.
But from a historicalstandpoint, and talking to the
people I have talked to that'sbeen doing this way longer than
(04:54):
I have, whether it be Dr GeorgeFrazier, just so many people
that's been working on the Blackcommunity for 50 years, not
just been, you know, like trulytrying to help it economically
(05:15):
with wealth.
With so many people that havebeen doing this in different
sectors, who I have a privilegeof talking to In different
sectors, who I have a privilegeof talking to yeah, those are
amazing people, but they give metheir data of what they looked
at, not just my own.
They give me the things I lookat through the brain and how it
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affects them emotionally andthen being on the streets and
talking to people who say theydeny.
And I'll give you a perfectexample.
When you talk to a black personin a community that isn't
favorable and you ask them wouldthey leave, there is a 70% of
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them will never leave.
They won't leave the communitythat is unfavorable, like
whether it be crime written,drug written, whether it be
these all things that happens incertain neighborhoods.
Why wouldn't you leave if youknow this is going on?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh shoot.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
my hat came off, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I was scratching my head, I would say some would
stay due to financial reasons.
They'll give you the answer.
Well, the cost of living hereis cheap for me.
The rent is cheap, it'saffordable.
I'm not in that position toafford something in a more
prominent neighborhood Trulyright.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
But that's not the answers they give.
They give mostly it's becausethis is what I know Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, that's true exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's true.
So you're not saying it's nothappening in your neighborhood,
which is predominantly a blackneighborhood, but you know
what's going on and the peopleknow you, so you just stay that
is not an authentic statement.
so you're staying because you'reafraid to leave, but you don't
deny that it is happeningpredominantly in your
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neighborhoods.
We know what the liquor stores,why they set up in Black
neighborhoods.
We know why pawn stores are setup mostly in Black
neighborhoods.
We know where the food are setup mostly in Black neighborhoods
.
We know where the food desertshappen is predominantly in Black
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neighborhoods.
Why do you think that is?
It is because they're going offof data points that says that
these are unsafe neighborhoodsand they, rather, liquor stores,
would rather keep people drunk,confused and relied upon to
drown their sorrows than to fixtheir sorrows put them in a
(08:14):
vicious cycle exactly what'sdesigned it puts them in a
vicious cycle.
so the cycle that we constantlytalk about.
What's wrong with blackneighborhoods is that you're
stuck in a vicious cycle of notcorrecting the cycle, which is
why it stays the way it'sstaying.
You can't blame that on whiteAmerica that keeps you in, okay.
(08:35):
So if you say white Americaproduces so much of a rent hike
in other neighborhoods that itkeeps people, black people out,
that's not the only neighborhoodyou can move to, oh, but it's
near my job, okay.
So now you've given me reasonsto stay, but you're not denying
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other reasons that they arehappening in your neighborhood.
You see what I mean.
Like I understand, like yousaid I, I know what I have here,
my rent's here, I I get here,but you're not denying that the
neighborhoods are set up for youto fail okay and so you keep
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locked in that that's.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That's fair to say.
You know that.
We know the neighborhoods aredesigned that way to fail.
You know the lack of resources,poor education, yeah, um, and
you gotta take in consideration,you know, people's backgrounds,
walks of life, what they comethrough.
There's a lot of mental healthissues that take that take play
in that, that take part in that.
You know, um, the lack ofresources, liquor store, the
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drugs that were placed in thecommunity, but it takes a
individual with a strong will tobreak through that.
But there are times, as you say, people drowning their sorrows,
trying to escape escapismthrough drugs.
So that's a a whole other issueright there too.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's all correct, but you can't so when people say
what's wrong with black people.
Black people have a hard timebreaking away from their own
systematic emotional failures.
Black people have a hard timebreaking away from their own
systematic failures.
It's not.
It is not a system that keepsyou down.
(10:31):
You fall into the trap of.
It's a system that I'm playingto that doesn't allow me a
chance.
So you're still waiting forsomeone to hand you something,
instead of someone for you todevelop something.
If you're waiting for someoneto hand you a chance, that's not
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going to happen in yourneighborhood because of the data
.
How is that systematic racismwhen you keep yourself in the
system?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
okay, that's fair to say.
You know, and I think we got alot of great back for that about
what people were not agreeingthat dr dyer is not
acknowledging systemic racism.
We know they were, they were,they were um obstacles in our
path Systems.
Yeah, systems that were createdto throw us off the path.
Absolutely Not many of us hadthe perfect head start.
(11:31):
Correct, Correct, Redliningdiscrimination and such right.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But see so even in redlining.
What about those people whotook their stuff and moved to
neighborhoods anyway with thatin place?
So what do you call those typesof people?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
People with a strong will.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
With a strong will to make a difference in their
lives, not in the system's lives, not in their neighbor's lives,
but in their lives.
There's a Sidney Poitier moviethat goes back into the 50s,
right Just about moving out of aneighborhood and the mother of
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Sidney Poitier was buying ahouse with her Social Security
was the betterment of her son,the wife and the grandchild.
So, with all the heat that themovie has put on them about them
fighting over their owninterpersonal, racial issues,
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they did it anyway.
There's tons of people who satin class.
I sat in classrooms where I wasthe only Black person there, so
should I have?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
not been in that class because I didn't feel
comfortable.
You, you were there for a goal,you had something you wanted to
accomplish right right but youknow what dr dyer too, and
that's not not kind of notplaying the devil's advocate,
but put it in perspective isthat Our people have, you know,
(13:12):
to think a certain way.
Well, we, based on, based onexperiences that we have
encountered, have a distrust forlaw enforcement or the system
enforcement or the system, andit's not their fault because
they, because you know whattheir family members have
witnessed, what they have heardand the experiences we have gone
through.
So it's like we just stuck in asurvival mode at all times.
(13:37):
It's just survival instinctsand sometimes that doesn't bring
out the best correct, the bestof you to reach your full
tenacity.
You know you're constantlystuck in that survival mode.
In order for them to break that, they got to have a place where
they can just be at peace,because you got to think about
it.
You got the television thatgives them the narrative, the
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media.
Then you have our music Allright, entertainment.
We tend to trauma bond, that'sall you know.
Know, let's keep it real.
Our people, we trauma bond likethe more trauma you go through.
We measure our pains, we playyo.
You know that's a real personbecause he's been through that
and you know how he or she may,you know, have overcome that.
You know we, we respect that.
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So you think there's somethingwithin our psyche that how we
view ourselves is to be that,how we view ourselves is to be
survivors of chaos.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yes, and we've talked about this before, because once
you're in a fear-basedatmosphere of your emotional
mind, you will always stay stuckin that cycle, whether it be
someone harming you physicallyor mentally, whether it be
someone treating you fairly onyour job.
But you know you get paid everytwo weeks, even though you
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don't like the situation you'rein.
It's hard for you to so youkeep yourself stuck in a cycle
that you don't even care to bein, but you give yourself enough
reasons to stay, which thenlocks you in still back into not
as successful or not advancingyour mental acuity, not
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advancing your emotionalstrength, not developing a will
to break things, strength, notdeveloping a will to break
things.
We get so accustomed to whatyou call a trauma bounding and
that it's easier just to stay.
Now I'll give you anotherexample of that, too, is that if
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you watch black entertainmentyou mentioned this too whether
it be the music that is morepopular than others or TV shows
that are more popular thanothers, they shed themselves in
entertainment, shed a negativelight on the culture of black.
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Black TV shows show more, more.
We call the the violence ofbeing who you are, whether it be
, um, some, some gang show, butthey make it right and they,
they have all this money andthey're running their little
thing or they're running theirlittle enterprise.
(16:24):
It's always on a negative sideof the law.
It's very few, very few, thatwhen people in the Black
community and Blackentertainment make it to a
successful stage in life, andthat's where the drama comes in
Right, and that's where thedrama comes in Right.
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So we're not saying that noneof life has drama or none of
life has other types ofexperiences.
But why does a blackentertainment industry promote
more negative side of thelegality of living than on a
more tumultuous street life andthey popularize that and it
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seems like, oh, this is okay,it's not okay.
Just like we could talk aboutthe more popular music, how they
call our women, all sorts ofderogatory names that shouldn't
be popular and actually in noother music that is ever popular
in except for blackentertainment, not one country,
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not one country song ever talksabout.
They may talk about a bad womanwho treated them bad, but they
didn't call them no bitches andhoes.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You're right, they usually just be crying about
infidelity and they dog diedRight Right, I understand what
you're saying but you know fromthat, see on both sides of the
spectrum.
this is why I say thisconversation is most important
to have.
When you see those movies andthe entertainment, you're
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hearing the lyrics and you'rehearing the song.
It's because people are reallyliving that reality.
Yeah, and you know.
Their way of saying you know Fyou or stick it to the man is
that you say I couldn't do this.
Watch me go out there and earnthis currency untaxed and throw
it in your face.
You understand Like I'm goingto make the places, the place,
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the things you said I couldn'tafford.
I'm going to go out there andbuy it.
I'm going to take care of myfamily and show you that you
know what I don't need yoursystem, which is crazy because
you're still on a system,because you know they bring
exactly so exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You're still in the system, and that's what I'm
talking about you.
You don't want to be in thesystem, but you're playing in
the system.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Just because you're getting the coin from the system
doesn't mean you're not in thesystem, and that's systematic
and the the thing about is thetalent they're going to show, is
their resilience, and theirmental is like all right, I'm
going to play in this, but watchme take this money and clean it
and do something more positivewith it.
You know, open a legit businessand such.
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Whatever the case may be.
So right, it's a trap, as theyput it.
It's a trap Depending on whichway you step in.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Which is why they call drug sales trap sales.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, it's a trap.
How can, how can we break thattrap, that vicious cycle, like
with the drug?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
we gotta start saying no, I mean, it's.
It could have started out withneighborhood watch, but
sometimes, when other neighborsdon't want to get involved, keep
my head down.
I, I don't want to be involved.
It keeps me this way, right, itkeeps me safe.
So you're not saying that itisn't right, it isn't this or
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it's bad, right, you're saying Idon't want to get involved.
So when do you get involved?
When is it putting someone inoffice that's going to clean up
your streets?
Is that getting involved?
Are you doing at least that?
From the voting percentages,the answer is no.
A lot of black people justdon't vote.
(20:13):
Yeah, right.
We're not saying some do we'resaying that we're 12% of the
population.
We don't have 12% of thepopulation voting Right of the
black populations.
We don't have it you know, itcould be due to a lack of
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information, misinformation andjust losing this, having
distrust for the system, correct, losing all hope right, because
politicians are crooks and theylie to us and they do all this
and you're not going to get anargument from there because
there's some nasty people outthere doing nasty things who
only look for power.
But you have to.
(20:55):
Then, still, when you startopening your voice, when do you
start calling on?
When they get enough calls that?
It's sickening that thisneighborhood is calling all the
time to clean my neighborhood up.
Maybe we should look into theneighborhood, right, but then
maybe that person that'scontrolling that neighborhood
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puts the fear base back into thecommunity, saying who's ever
tells on me that these innocent,honest people are going to get
harmed?
So even the Black communitykeeps you in fear, along with
systems we have a fear for,which is political.
We have a we have a distrust of.
So where does that leave us?
(21:38):
It leaves us in, in, in arevolving door of doing nothing,
looking for a handout andkeeping their head down world
operating, it's the worldoperating within worlds.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
We have our own world that we live within.
So, being that, you say thatwhen they would clean up and you
know, wanting to remove crimefor our neighborhood and all the
ills within the black community, right what today's climate was
taking place?
You know I have been catchinglittle drifts here and here and
there about Trump wanting tosend the National Guard to
(22:14):
Chicago.
Yep, and I'm not going to sayI'm astute politically, but I
just want to ask yourperspective on that.
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I agree with it.
I think it should have beendone years ago.
I think it should have beenleft up to a governor to do it,
not a president.
I think A clean.
To get rid of roaches you haveto bag up stuff, you have to
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clean stuff and then you have tofumigate.
This is a type of fumigation.
It should have been done yearsago.
This is a type of fumigation.
It should have been done yearsago.
Right, I understand thediscomfort of it that it will
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cause, because everyone willhave to be checked and they will
probably be treated more of acriminal than not.
You sweep my neighborhood andyou come through my house and
you're saying your house isclean, check it off the list and
move on.
I have no problem with that, aslong as they get to that next
house and they clean that rathouse up.
Right, because it's getting ridof the poison.
We can use all the metaphors wewant, just like it would be
(23:28):
cancer.
You have to go in and create dochemo, which chemo doesn't
really specifically target asmuch as they would like to, but
it does ruin other parts of thebody.
We have to clean it and if wecan't clean it on ourselves,
then let's get this militarypresident and push things
through, because it's just, I'drather have a clean neighborhood
(23:53):
in four months than to livelike this for 40 years or four
years that's what I agree withyou.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, you know, I see it from both sides of the
spectrum.
Like you know, these mayors andgovernors could have done
something if they wanted to, orwere they restrained from doing
such things?
You understand.
So that's how I look at it, youknow, from both sides.
But I also look at it as thisthing could uncover old wounds
(24:23):
based on historical events thattook place when they had
national guards in certainneighborhoods.
When things happen, you know itcould erupt, it could go both
ways.
But I do want to see innercities cleaned up, with a drop
in violence and such.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
These are our homes, this is where we live, this is
where my cousins live, this iswhere my grandmother lives.
These are families that arestuck and imprisoned in their
home because by a certain timeof night I got to get indoors.
That only happens in blackneighborhoods.
At a certain time of night Igot to get in, I got to get
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inside.
That's sad when I've lived inother neighborhoods where
walking at 11 o'clock at nightdoesn't cause me any grief,
doesn't cause me any harm.
It's just a peaceful, sunnynight and I just want to enjoy
the air and walk around.
There's not many neighborhoodsyou could do that in the inner
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city trap neighborhoods thatpeople live in.
Walk around 11 o'clock, forwhat you better.
Take that inside.
That doesn't.
You're only setting yourself upfor a possible slug being
thrown your way or a possiblesomething right.
So then it goes back to thatfear base.
So I'm living always in fear.
Now my fear shortens in thedaytime, but I'm still so
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hyperactive emotionally thatit's destroying me.
And that's where we are with.
The emotional base is why we'restuck in a mental circular trap
we are.
We've been stuck in such a long.
Tremendous things yes,historical things were set up to
roadblock us, but those issuesare not an issue anymore, and
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that's the difference betweensystematic racism.
There is no systematic racismanymore.
It is something that we justmust have to do for ourselves to
be systematically free.
And that's where the fear comesin.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I got you.
I'm glad that you said that andas a brother professor base
they salute.
Salute to shawnee, piece of thechat.
Um, it's true, because you knowthe condition and the
colonialization we couldconstantly keep harping on that
it's also.
Yeah, we know already, but it'sthe things that we.
What's so crazy about it isthat in the cities, we know that
(26:55):
we don't have no ships.
We don't have no ports.
We're not gun manufacturers, butsomehow guns always find their
way in our community.
As Fab once said, you gotchildren that can't read, but
they can load a magazine.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
You understand Absolutely.
And you question these thingslike so who do you, if we trust,
if we distrust white people asmuch as we say we distrust, then
who's giving the kid themagazine?
It has to be someone that lookslike us.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, who has a handle Right, somebody who sold
themselves out.
So it's such a vicious cycledown to the liquor store like,
and I get it, you know it's allcommerce, because these
companies, you know they gottaearn their money.
It's not like they forcing itdown your throat, but it's there
, it's there.
They use the marketing andstuff and it's up to us because,
you know, you know, back thenI'm not a heavy drinker but I
(27:47):
used to run to get my littlehennessy here and there.
Yeah, get you a cigarette andall that.
It's like we have been studying, studied so well.
You know, turn your audio up.
My bad creative.
I got you.
Brother.
Can you hear me now?
Can you hear me, dr Dyer?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, I turned my audio up.
Yeah, so that's what I love, mythought, but you may continue
my bad.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No, no, no, no.
What you were saying is thatyou know, even though we may
have these trepidations that wedo, it doesn't mean that we
can't live a normal life withthe liquor stores in our
neighborhood, right, yeah, can'tlive a normal life with the
liquor stores in ourneighborhood, right, um, and,
and, and.
(28:39):
We could have this.
It's not like this, the onlyneighborhoods, right.
It's not like they're notanywhere else, but they use more
liquor sales in in, in what youcall broken neighborhoods, they
have more of a liquor salesthan they would have unbroken
neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, that makes sense when I was saying, as far
as the conditioning right, wehave been conditioned to hate
ourselves so much.
Yes, Devalued, you were a humanbeing, forced into servitude,
beaten.
They turned you to a nigger.
They gave you a definition of anigger.
(29:22):
You've been called that.
We pick it up as an insuranceand endearment and you know we
lost our path, our mores, ourway of you know being spiritual.
And then they force thisreligion upon you.
They forced it that they forcedthe religion upon you gave you
an image of a saintly deity sonof christ, whatever.
(29:46):
So now you've seen the personthat devoured you, turned into a
slave.
His image, his or her image, isseen as holy, holy and your
image is just like lostBeast-like, no value whatsoever,
right?
So then you pick that up.
Now you out your mind thinkingthat I must be if I don't look
(30:07):
like them.
That's where colorism comesfrom.
I'm not saved, I'm not holy andsuch.
And then you have groups, youhave individuals that came about
to teach their people, you knowself-salvation, to pick
yourself up like the noble DrewAli's, the Elijah Muhammad's,
clarence 13x, the father ofAllah, and all that.
And we reject these individualsso that we're teaching you
(30:32):
about knowledge of self, loveyourself, self-preservation,
unity.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And we killed our own people.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Exactly yeah.
So how can we go back?
How can we, as they say, bringthe family together?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, I think, if I mentioned this before, I think
the more people who've neverdived into our historical
presence on this planet and theymay be finally doing that now
they're so angry about themistreatment of what we have
been treated as they may knowsome segments Most of the people
maybe just know what thesegregation segments are or the
slavery things but there's beenso much more throughout the
world.
It's been a world planned right.
(31:30):
We didn't understand the fullcomplexity of the plan which I
grew up with.
My mom and my dad always taughtus about the complexity of the
plan.
So the things that werehappening, it was like look out
(32:00):
for the detour sign because it'sgoing to come.
And when I see the detour sign,this is how you can effectively
maneuver around the detour sign.
That came from such youngeducation and teaching from my
mom and my dad and my familymembers.
So I I've never harped on detoursigns.
(32:20):
I was never like shoot, I guessI'm not able to do that anymore,
I guess I'm not able to do this, I guess those things never
came into my psychic.
It was always about okay, Ihave a plan and I'll reach out
for help, or I'll have someonehelp me with my plan, someone
(32:41):
who's been there, someone who'son the other side, right, so I'm
trying to be successful in anentrepreneur business.
I reach out to the other sidefor a person who's actually made
it to the other side and saysthis is what I did, because
there's not a person on theplanet especially when it comes
to the Black community thatwon't help you, pull you over To
(33:06):
say here's my breadcrumbs.
This is how I did it.
Now you may have to adjust hereor there, but this is how you
can do it.
But if you're not reaching outand you're not getting your own
emotional fortitude settled andunderstand why you think the way
you think, I'm not denying yourthinking, but do you understand
(33:28):
why you think the way you think?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I was told that today .
I kind of had that today.
Somebody was mentioning that tome.
It's our thinking too.
It's very distorted throughpain, you know Because?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
we are the most studied and they know how we
think.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Very emotional, irrational at times.
And again Irrational,trauma-bounded, and I hate to
times and again trauma-bonding,and I hate to put this like this
, but somehow ignorance iscelebrated.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It is celebrated.
You could be logical or youcould speak with proper
vernacular.
They see it as you're trying tobe white which I always found
very sickening to me trying tobe white, which I always found
very sickening to me.
How can somebody that'sarticulate, educated, trying to
sound white, so you're trying tosay to be so-called black?
(34:21):
It's synonymous with beingfoolish right, foolish or
ignorant yeah, or illiterateweird.
So that's, that's weird, yeah.
So where does these stereotypescome from?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
we build we?
We build them into ourselvesbecause we're so connected to
the pain.
Right, we're always trying tosay that I've overcome, or it's
always a crisis, a revelation ofI got through the crisis.
How about try not to havecrisis and just have situations?
(34:56):
Right, everything's gotsituations.
You call it a crisis.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know why youcall it such a crisis, where
it's just a situation that youhave to get over, and I'm not
what you call soft footingaround what it is or what it
isn't.
But you know, I'm not going tocall something a crisis just
(35:21):
because it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Got you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And if you, and if that's why I think people don't?
People don't understand theirthought process, they don't
understand the history of theirthought process, they are not
connecting to their own thinkingprocess and they don't think
about thinking.
I'm not saying so.
(35:51):
If you think something, askyourself where did that thought
process come from?
Like, where did this?
Where did this negative part ofmy thinking, where did that
stem from?
Did someone teach me or did Ijust fall into it?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
exactly it.
Wow, that's true, that's a,that's a.
That's a great assessment thatyou just said right there,
because I hear it.
All right, the nuclear family,right as we know it, there's
been an attack on a nuclearfamily since the time of the 60s
when welfare came about, 40s,you know, I can't recall the
(36:29):
date, but the nuclear familybeing under attack, especially
the black family, yeah, and itit somehow celebrated in
situations that I knowpersonally and and have heard,
where you know, separationshappen and you got both sides
that would use a child as a pawn, right, you know, you got
(36:50):
mothers that want to say singleparent, you're just a single
woman, not a single parent yeah,you're seeing a woman yeah, and
fathers say the same thing, butthey just lose sight of that.
and then the system helpsperpetuate that more you get
what I'm saying and then itdestroys that, it destroys that
structure, that that fabric,very fabric of family.
(37:11):
And then day one it perpetuatesanother generation of that same
thing.
So we got people running aroundhere feeling incomplete and
this is the product that you see, that's outside in the world
now.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Single parent home and son.
And again these factors.
You said the 60s, but when theystart removing the male from
the woman's area of operation, Iwas going to say AO.
That's usually that slaverymovies where the welfare people
were saying you can't get acheck unless he leaves the house
(37:45):
.
And in this movie I just Iremember that it was Cicely
(38:05):
Tyson and oh my God.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Was it Claudine or James?
Earl Jones?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yes, claudine, right, right, classic, classic, right.
And.
And he said you're not going totell me what I'm going to be
with my family.
And he stayed and they workedit out and they you know, he had
his own personal struggles, shehad his struggles, but they
stayed as a family.
So this is not something new.
(38:36):
This is something that we hadto either say we're going to
stick together.
I may have my own personaltroubles, I may have my own
thing, but we are stickingtogether and we're going to have
this family.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Shout out to the creator of Boundless Universe.
That's a fact.
Willie lynch played a role too.
That willie lynch letter ohyeah before dr diet.
Absolutely.
It's so detailed and graphicand such a vicious plan that it
was so oh it's smart, yeah, it'ssmart very intricate.
(39:09):
It's like the so-called enemystudies you so much more than
you study yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Exactly, and that's what I was talking about before.
Right, if you don't know howyou think, then someone's
implanting a program into you soyou could think this about
yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Exactly.
They know your every move, howyou're going to react.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
How you're going to react.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
He's going to get angry.
Make sure you put those newports in that store for him,
that liquor store right there.
Tax season coming around, let'sput these sales up in the
neighborhood.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Let's let them spend more money on throwback jerseys
than putting some money intoeducation or trade school.
You have a throwback jerseythat costs how much?
I don't know.
I don't have one.
How much is a throwback jersey?
Give me a price.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I don't know.
I can say like $300, $600.
Anybody in the chat knows howmuch a throwback jersey costs.
If you can recall wearing thoseback then.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Or an authentic jersey, but if you're going to
spend, let's say, $300 on ajersey where now you can
actually go online and get likean IT security specialist
license, for the same price, Imean right.
(40:30):
It's the same prices as a jerseyand sneakers.
You can enroll yourself intoschools.
That is willing to take and payfor your schools.
If you just enroll to help youbetter yourself or to spend on a
class.
If you want to get into realestate, so we can help you get
into real estate and so you canstart, you know, um, working
(40:52):
those different endeavors.
There's tons of opportunity outthere.
So what's the reason why mostpeople who go into it are not
people of color?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
they don't want to work for the men, they want to
do for self.
And I'm not saying there'snothing wrong wanting to do for
self, I'm all for that, Irespect it.
100.
But you know, some people likeyou say they want to get out
that system or they don't havethe time.
They may not have the time dueto circumstances, you know then
why have?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
why have the time to spend it on a jersey and
sneakers?
Speaker 1 (41:26):
because that's a mental problem there was this
book called um how to sell aNegro, Buying of a Negro.
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Absolutely, it was a story.
It was actually a book abouthow to inflate the Negro.
It actually was started in, Iwant to say, the 40s.
It was about a hat maker how tosell to a Negro.
Matter of fact, I think there'sa video out there of how to
make a Negro feel important whenthey're buying a hat.
(41:56):
The price goes up on a hat andyet you let them feel like
they're important because theywere feeling important by the
clothes they were wearing.
So that clothes gave themstatus, whether it be a new pair
of shoes or a suit or whatever.
So they're not like the otherfield Negro, I'm better right.
So this was all wrapped up intoselling to the Negro and they
(42:19):
perfected it.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Well, creative Balance said the key in Willie
Lynch was to get the so-calledNegro woman to eat from his hand
and she would serve the malechildren to work for him.
Perpetual servitude that's afact.
My brother, I agree.
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And we have policies to prove that.
It worked in slavery.
It worked in the 30s.
The New Deal came out withLyndon Johnson and it worked in
welfare.
It works and we keep allowingit to work because we keep
adhering to it.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Of course.
So this is why we need to dowork, both male and females.
I say the most important thingis the family structure and just
a sense of community outside,even if you're single.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We need to learn how to respect one another again,
how to embrace one another.
I know it sounds like I'mlooking for, you know, kicking a
fantasy to you, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
But the song stays the same.
Its song has never changed fromwhen you have a person like
Harry Tubman, who has shotNegroes because they didn't want
to escape.
It's a known fact.
She shot Negroes because theywere going to tell, because they
(43:53):
didn't want to get caught.
We have more of those peoplewho need so sad that needs what
you call a Harriet Tubman lessonbecause they're afraid of
getting caught.
they're afraid of taking thatpower will chance to move to the
other thing, Like how in theworld do you get a slave to
(44:19):
fight for the South?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Make them a false promise.
That's right.
But you know what was so real,what you said, the buy and sell
into a Negro.
I remember a few months agothere was a whole uproar where
china came online and said we,what you consider so-called fake
clothes, we make in the samefactory as these real clothes
that you get from thesedesigners that you pay top
(44:46):
dollars for.
I remember explaining that topeople within my circle and I
was like you.
You were out there spendingrent money on a bag where you
could go right down to canalstreet downtown off the ground
and get that bag for 40, 50dollars.
Meanwhile china's exposing itand they're like no, I would
(45:07):
never do that.
I gotta go to the store, getstore, get the full experience.
You know, and I'm not knockingyou, it's your money.
You do what you want to do withit.
But it has been exposed to youfor years.
Like the cost of making thatbag is five cents.
A person is getting paid fivecents an hour, maybe 20 if lucky
20 cents.
But you will spend yourhard-earned dollars on that and
(45:32):
I get it.
It reward yourself.
But it's like again, you wantthat social status to be part of
the inclusive exclusive.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
You get what I'm saying I do, but we but when you
, when, like when we do wealthsummits and wealth um closing
the wealth gap and in the blackcommunity and and I've been part
of these summits and I'vealways talked about the mental
part of why people are afraid ofbeing wealthy.
So many Black people are afraidof being affluent because
(46:09):
they've always been subjected tobeing underfoot.
And when you're not underfootand you're out there trying to
do what you need to do, it'skind of scary out there because
if you don't work, you don't getpaid.
If you're not out therehustling trying to build your
(46:32):
brand, trying to do this,nothing happens.
No one just bumps you in thehead.
But you can work really hard ona job and maybe get a thank you
, maybe.
Maybe get a thank you andyou're okay with that yeah, the
mind of a negro.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I think the next show we should do is exploring the
mind of the negro.
How many?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
we could do it right now.
It's sadness, it's completesadness, and that sadness
created a sickness and thatsickness created systematic
racism that they believe they'rein.
So they're still upholdingredlining.
No, there's no redlining.
If you can afford a house, youbuy the house.
Now there is no redlininganymore.
(47:20):
Right when you're black, youliterally can't buy in this
neighborhood.
They can call it redliningbecause all the houses in this
neighborhood are this figure.
Now, that's not saying youcan't buy, it's saying that you
can't afford it because youdon't know how to work it to get
there.
If you stay on this path,you're only going to get so much
(47:42):
to the ceiling, like yourceiling has a limit.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
And the thing about it, I'm all for it.
You know, get your dollars, getyour home thrive, do what you
must do, right.
But what happens when those whodo follow the path?
They go and leave theneighborhood and go into these
affluent neighborhoods, and thenthey got to deal with the
racism Right For going there.
Like you know, sometimes theyfeel like Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
So we said this before.
One of the things that we can'tstop is racism in America, of
course, right.
So there are racism in America.
There are racist people of alldifferent shapes and sizes and
colors in America, but beingsystematic, isn't it?
(48:33):
You see what I'm saying.
Now you can go to thatneighborhood that you've always
maybe wanted to, and you mayhave an unwilling neighborhood
that doesn't like you there.
That's good for you and it'sgood for him or them or whoever
they are.
The reason why it's good foryou is because it's getting you
(48:56):
out of your comfort zone of howto navigate your life, of how
you want to live.
You may never talk to thatneighbor again, matter of fact.
You may have nothing to do withthat neighbor neighbor again
matter of fact.
You may have nothing to do withthat neighbor.
And there may be some little,you know, slightness that goes
(49:21):
on, right, like my garbage canis always getting knocked over.
It's got to be, it's got to behim right, like, of course,
right.
So you may get into some ofthose, but you're not going to
get into blatantness, becauseit's always subtle, right?
Um, they may never wave at you,isn't that okay for you?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
that's okay right, that's fine I wouldn't care I
don't want to tasteeless potatosalad with raisins.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Right, you may have a barbecue at your house and your
whole family comes over.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
So what.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
That has nothing to do with them or you, so it
doesn't cause you any strife.
It doesn't cause you anysickness.
It just means you're movingforward.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Exactly that's true.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Now, if they kill your dog.
We have a whole other mentalissue to it.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Then we turn to John Wick.
I got you Right?
No, but you know, because I dofeel like we within our
communities, and I love mypeople I love, I love people,
period.
But I love my middle-natedbrothers and sisters.
I don't care what country youcome from.
I want to see the day when theneighborhoods are cleaned up.
(50:45):
Yeah, put aside, you know, evenfor those who don't see the
vision.
You know I'm saying there maybe a point where you have to get
rid of them, but I do want tosee our communities become the
affluent community.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Absolutely, and it can be.
But we create our own chaos bycreating our own noise.
We're so addicted to the chaosand the noise so we can drown
out our own personal thoughtsand feelings.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
That's true.
That's true.
It's easy to blame someone elseinstead of taking that
accountability.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Like I love.
I love, like I've neverunderstood the thumping of music
, when I love music so much,listening to a crisp sounding
audio system where I can hearthe notes and the feelings and
the lyrics and the tonations andwhatever is going on that is
(51:47):
putting together this flavor ofsound.
I love all that, but when itcame to the high thumping, it
muddled so much that.
Are you listening to the music?
Are you listening to thethumping, which some people
could say, well, the thumpingresulted into the heartbeat or
(52:09):
the drum beat of the native.
Okay, resulted into theheartbeat or the drumbeat of the
native.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Okay, but the drumbeats of native drums have
pitches to them.
The backbeat.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah right, it has a pitch to it.
It doesn't have a one soundmodel, model, model.
It has certain pitches to it,which is why the heart it is why
it can resemble the heart as adrum, because the heart has
different pitches to it, justlike good drumming or good types
of beats have pitches to them.
(52:41):
But if it all sounds one thing,they're not trying to get to
your emotional side, they'retrying to keep you stuck into a
empty side no substance, justnoise noise no substance, just
noise, got you, my god, dr dyerman, my brother man, you really.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
You really came out tonight, man, and demonstrated
as always.
For us, man, it's a pleasure tohave you on here.
It's a, it's a real pleasureand we gotta we gotta come back
with a different show man.
I really want to get into themind and the making of a Negro I
believe we've done somethinglike that but to go real deep
into the science and the makingof a Negro, because it's
something that we have to.
(53:24):
As Brother Ron always said, wegotta kill that Negro.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
We do.
We do Because that Negro is theoverseer.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, and salute to creative balance universe.
Thank you for this, but a superchat, he said.
We have to realize those peopleare damaged mentally and
suffering as well.
They are manifesting from afear they have as well.
That's a fact, brother, thatthey have as well.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
That's a fact, brother, that is a fact.
And we talk about that fearbase.
And so here's where we cansolve the damaged person
mentally that is suffering.
We cannot look into a crystalball.
We are not soothsayers, we arejust not.
This is not a magic show.
Someone has to say something,or someone close to them has to
(54:13):
say something to say Mikey,you're not feeling well, let's
get some help.
I'll go with you, let's findsomeone.
Matter of fact, let me call theshow, let me email the show and
see if Dr Dyer knows anyone inthis neighborhood, this area.
I probably do Right that youdon't have to travel that far
(54:34):
from to get this worked out,because once you start
understanding your own thoughtprocess, you become mentally
unwound.
So now you get to lay it outand to see it from the
30,000-foot view to say, man,I've been living like this, this
has caused me this, this hasdone this, and now you can
(54:55):
actually seek individualizedhelp Like how do I get past this
anger, how do I get past thistype of thinking every time this
comes up?
That's a fact, man.
But we can't do that unlesseither someone close to you that
says something or something yourecognize that you want to keep
(55:18):
unfolding and start thinkingabout your thoughts Got you and
how they got there.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Hmm, so basically is healing a lot of psychology.
Which psychology approach wouldyou recommend for our people?
Traditional or that darkpsychology?
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I I say first be open and honest with yourself.
That's the psychology.
If you can't do that, there'sthere's nowhere to, there's, no,
there is no basis for you to goanywhere if you don't be honest
with yourself.
Like you know, I I've beenthinking like this for a long
time.
I'm not even sure if it's right, it may not be right or wrong,
(55:57):
but do you understand why youthink that way?
That's all like it's.
There is no right and wrong do,but do you understand why you
think that way?
Well, I got this from my mother, I got this from my mother, I
got this from my grandmother.
Okay, well, she was brought upwhen she was carrying over from.
This was her survival techniquebecause she was raised in this
(56:19):
era.
So she kind of put that on youand you're carrying over to this
era.
But it has split.
We're not in the same era, soyou cannot use the same tactics.
We're not in the same era.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
So you cannot use the same tactics, and I believe I
mean not believe.
I know that's one of theAchilles heels that we're
dealing with.
It's stuff that generationalthings that were passed down
that were not properly vetted orexamined Right right, and
that's for another show.
Dr Dyer, my brother, Iappreciate you, man, for coming
out tonight.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Always.
It's been a blessing, because Ido as you said too, mikey, and
I've told Ron this I want ourpeople to heal too, because
without healing, Includingmyself.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, I mean myself also.
That's why I do what I mean.
I look at myself all the timeand my thought process and how I
think or whatever.
But if we don't learn how toask for help or to think about
our thoughts, then we staysystematically in racism.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Exactly.
No, it's true, Because my thingis I'm quick to poke the middle
finger up and just say you knowwhat?
No, it's true, Because my thingis I'm quick to put the middle
finger up and just say yo, youknow what, I just want more.
I don't got time for the backand forth, Like before somebody
here get hurt.
Man, let me get up out of hereand give you that middle finger
and call it a day.
So, with that being said, don'tforget people to comment, like,
(57:48):
share, subscribe.
And we want to thank you, DrDyer, for coming out tonight
again.
This doctor is great.
You can reach him, he'saccessible.
This brother will give you thenecessary tools you need to take
the next step forward.
We love and appreciate you, DrDyer.
Thank you for coming out, mybrother.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
All right Peace brother.
Peace my people Be kind,compassionate and be safe out
there.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Definitely Anytime brother Peace.
Kind, compassionate and be safeout there.
Definitely Anytime brotherPeace.
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