June 8, 2025 • 27 mins
In the explosive premiere of O’Connor’s Right Stand, host John O'Connor dives into the Trump-Musk feud that’s rocking the conservative world. Are these titans clashing over egos, or is their fight a distraction from the “Big Beautiful Bill’s” $2.4 trillion debt bomb? From Trump’s White House jabs to Musk’s X firestorms, we unpack the drama, expose big government’s overreach, and reveal the economic and security stakes. Join the fight for liberty as we call out bureaucracy and demand fiscal responsibility. Share your thoughts on X at @OConnorsStand!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to O'Connor's Right Stand, holding the line
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unapologetically. This is thepodcast where we draw a line in
the sand for American libertyand take a wrecking ball to the
bloated and overreachinggovernment that's trying to
choke our freedoms. Today isSaturday, June, as of when I'm
recording this. I'm JohnO'Connor, a red blooded
conservative who's had it withbureaucrats, the elites, and the
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politicians treating us liketheir personal piggy bank. This
is our first episode, folks, andI'm coming out swinging with a
story that's got the nationbuzzing.
The explosive, no holds barredfeud between president Donald
Trump and Elon Musk. Two giants,two billionaires, once allies,
now trading punches over amassive government bill that
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could bury us in further debt.Is this a clash of conservative
titans, a betrayal of values, ora smokescreen to distract us
from the real enemy, a federalgovernment that's out of
control? Today, we're divingdeep, playing you five clips to
bring the story to life andpulling no punches on what this
means for our republic. So graba coffee, a drink, and settle
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in.
Let's fight for the America ourfounders intended. Before we
dive into the Musk Trump feud,which I had not intended to be
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my very first episode, let'stake a moment to talk about who
I am and why I'm here fightingalongside you. If you're going
to join me on this journey,tuning in week after week or
daily or a couple times a month,I don't have the frequency set,
to O'Connor's right stand, youdeserve a clear sense of the man
behind the mic, the patriotleading this charge against
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tyranny. I'm a conservativethrough and through,
unapologetically committed tothe principles of liberty,
faith, and family. I'm not arepublican though.
I generally vote for them nearly100% of the time because they do
come closest to defending thevalues that built this nation.
I'm a God fearing Catholic, aman who puts God first, my
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growing family second, myneighbors third, and my country
fourth, in that order. Thosepriorities guide every word I
speak, every stand I take. I'mnot here to play political games
or chase clout. I'm here tofight for the America we are
losing, the one our foundersbled for.
You'll hear echoes of DanBongino in my words, my
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arguments, and maybe even directnods to his work. As a loyal
listener of the Dan Bonginoshow, I've been shaped by his
fearless truth telling, hisunapologetic conservatism, and
his ability to rally patriots.Dan's podcast inspired me to
step up when he stepped into therole as deputy director of the
FBI. I've been playing thispodcast for over a year in my
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head, but Dan's influence andcareer shift lit the fire in me
to act now. Dan, if you'relistening, thank you for
reshaping me as a trueconservative patriot and now as
an attempted podcaster.
I hope one day to shake yourhand and tell you how your work
fueled this fight. Until then,I'll attempt to continue
carrying the torch, holding theline for liberty. I'm a 40 year
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old software programmer by day,not a professional podcaster,
marketeer, or journalist. I'mjust like you, a hardworking
patriot who sees this country onthe brink, bleeding under the
weight of a government thattakes 40% of our income and six
point five billion hours of ourtime. This podcast isn't about
getting rich.
I'm probably not gonna make adime. It's about fixing what's
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broken, about rallying patriotsto take back our freedom. I'm
still finalizing platforms, butfeel free to reach me on x at
O'Connor's stand to share yourthoughts, your stories, your
fight. Send me constructivecriticism to sharpen this blade
or, hell, send some praise tofuel the fire. I'm here for it
all.
This first episode tackles abroad issue. But as I hone my
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craft, expect deep dives intocurrent events from the
government overreach to culturaldecay. If you prefer these big
picture topics, let me know.This is your podcast built for
you, not me. So now let's getinto the meat and potatoes.
If you've been on X since June5, you know it's been a wild
ride. Donald Trump and ElonMusk, two of the biggest names
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in America, went from being bestbuds to bitter rivals faster
than you can say, drain theswamp. This isn't just gossip.
It's a seismic event forconservatives, and we need to
unpack it to kinda understandwhat's at stake for our freedom.
Let's set the stage.
In 2024, Elon Musk was Trump'ssecret weapon. The guy behind
Tesla, SpaceX, and X droppednearly 300,000,000 to help Trump
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win the White House, turning Xinto a powerhouse for the MAGA
movement. When Trump took officein January 2025, he tapped Musk
to lead the Department ofGovernment Efficiency, DOGE.
Elon's mission, slash federalwaste, gut redundant programs,
and make Washington lean again.Trump was all in, calling Musk a
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genius and even rolling out aTesla Cybertruck on the White
House lawn in March to celebratetheir partnership.
On May 30, when Musk steppeddown from Doge, Trump handed him
a symbolic key to the WhiteHouse. It was a conservative
dream team until it was. Enterthe big beautiful bill, Trump's
flagship domestic pro policy.It's a mix of tax cuts,
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infrastructure spending, andother measures pitched as a
boost for American jobs. Soundsgreat.
Right? But here's the kicker.The congressional budget office
says it'll add2,400,000,000,000.0 to the
national debt by 2035. That'strillion with a t, folks. Money
we don't have and borrowed fromour kids' future.
On June 3, Musk took to Xcalling the bill a disgusting
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abomination. That undermineseverything Doge stood for. He
urged his 200,000,000 followersto swamp congress with calls to
kill it, and that lit the fuse.On June 5, Trump fired back
during a White House meeting.Let's hear it straight from the
president.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner
workings of this bill betterthan almost anybody sitting
here, better than you people. Heknew everything about it. He had
no problem with it. All of asudden, he had a problem, and he
only developed the problem whenhe found out that we're gonna
have cut the EV mandate becausethat's billions and billions of
dollars, and it really isunfair. We wanna have cars of
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all types.
Electric, we wanna haveelectric, but we wanna have a
gasoline combustion. We wannahave different. We wanna have
hybrids. We wanna have all wewanna be able to sell
everything. And when that wascut, and congress wanted to cut
it, he became a little bitdifferent, and I can understand
that.
But he knew every aspect of thisbill. He knew it better than
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almost anybody, and he never hada problem until right after he
left.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's Trump drawing a line in the sand. And if you
listen, you can hear this thingin his voice, disappointment,
maybe even betrayal. But Mustinblink, he hit back on x claiming
without me, Trump would havelost the election. He even threw
out an unverified bombshellsaying Trump's name is in the
unreleased Jeffrey Epsteinfiles. Now let's be clear.
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There is zero evidence for thatclaim. And now on O'Connor's
right stand, we do stick to thefacts. But it shows how personal
this has gotten. Trump respondedby threatening to cut billions
in government contracts forElon's companies, Tesla, SpaceX,
Starlink. Tesla's stock tanked14% on Thursday, losing a
hundred and 50,000,000,000 in aday.
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Musk even floateddecommissioning SpaceX's Dragon
spacecraft, which is criticalfor NASA before eventually
backing off. This feud's got itall. Big personalities, big
money, and big stakes. And as aconservative, I got one foot in
each camp. Trump's America Firstpolicies are why we voted for
him.
Trade deals, border security,bringing jobs back. But Musk is
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sounding the alarm on runawayspending, and he's not wrong.
2,400,000,000,000.0 in new debtisn't pocket change. It's a
betrayal of fiscal conservatism.This fight's exposing a rift in
our movement, growth at all costversus discipline.
And while they're slugging itout, the real enemy, big
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government, is laughing all theway to the bank. To get why this
feud hits so hard, we simplyjust need to zoom out. The Trump
Elon clash isn't just about twoegos. It's a symptom of a deeper
problem, a federal governmentthat's been growing like a weed
for decades, choking out ourfreedoms. On O'Connor's right
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saying we're just not here toreact.
We're here to connect the dotsand show show you how history is
repeating itself. So let's goback to 02/2013. The IRS under
Lois Lerner got caught targetingconservative groups, think Tea
Party and Patriot organizations,for extra scrutiny during the
twenty twelve election. Theydelayed tax exempt statuses,
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drowned groups in paperwork, allbecause they simply did not like
their politics. It was astraight up abuse of power, a
government weaponizing itsauthority to silence dissent.
I remember the outrage, folkslike us, regular Americans,
rallying against a system thattreated us like enemies. Let's
hear a reminder of that scandal.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The news broke last Friday that IRS agents had
applied extra scrutiny to groupswith Tea Party or Patriot in
their names when they appliedfor tax exempt status. The head
of that IRS division apologizedon Friday. Lois Lerner said it
took place during the 2012campaign. And she blamed low
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level officials in the agency'sCincinnati office, which handled
the applications. But additionalreports over the weekend said
Lerner herself was informed ofthe targeting as early as 2011.
Other reports claim that the IRSalso zeroed in on groups that
focused on government spendingor educating Americans about The
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U. S. Constitution. Thatinformation was based on a draft
report from a TreasuryDepartment inspector general.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's the government we're up against, a machine that
picks winners and losers basedon who is in power. So fast
forward to 2025 and the bigbeautiful bill of Trump. It's
just another chapter in the samestory. 2,400,000,000,000.0 in
new debt per the congressionalbudget office isn't just a
number. It's control.
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Every dollar the governmentspends gives it more power to
regulate, surveil, and dictateour lives. And when Trump and
Elon are fighting, it's adistraction from that truth.
Let's talk about the billitself. Trump says it's about
jobs, tax cuts, infrastructuregrowth. Sounds like the 2017 Tax
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Cuts and Jobs Act, which added1,900,000,000,000.0 to the
deficit but boosted GDP by 2.5%in 02/2018.
I get the appeal. Lower taxesmeans more money in our pockets.
But conservatives didn't justvote for growth. We voted for a
government that lives within itsmeans. Elon's Doge was supposed
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to deliver that.
He pushed to cut redundantagencies. Did you know we have
400 federal agencies, many doingthe same thing? The Department
of Education alone burns80,000,000,000 a year, much of
it on bureaucrats and not thekids. Musk wanted to slash that,
but this bill is going the otherway. History is full of
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warnings.
In the nineteen seventies,federal spending exploded,
leading to stagflation, doubledigit inflation, and stagnant
growth. Reagan came in, cuttaxes, but even he couldn't
fully tame the deficit. By 2018,we bailed out the banks with
700,000,000,000 in TARP funds,ballooning the debt. Today, our
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national debt is over36,200,000,000,000.0. Adding
2,400,000,000,000.0 more is likepouring gas on a fire.
And who pays? Not the elites.It's us. Small businesses,
workers, families. All along,China's watching, holding our
debt, laughing as we weakenourselves.
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So Elon's right to call thisout, but his tactics,
threatening to pull SpaceX'sdragging or talking about a new
America party feels likeshowboating. And Trump's
response, threatening to gutTesla's contracts, smacks of the
same government heavy handednesswe're fighting against. This
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feuds a microcosm of what'swrong with Washington. Too much
ego and not enough principle. Sowhat happens when two titans
like a Trump and a must go towar?
It's not just drama. It's realworld pain. Let's break down the
fallout because this feud'sripples could hit every
American. Start with theeconomy. When Trump threatened
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to cut contracts for Tesla,SpaceX, and Starlink on June 5,
Tesla's stock crashed 14%,wiping out over a hundred
50,000,000,000 in value.
We've already mentioned this.That's not just Elon's problem.
That's pension funds, four zeroone k's, regular folks like us
who invest in Americancompanies. Starlink's another
casualty. It provides Internetto rural communities.
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Think farmers in Iowa, smalltowns in Montana. If Trump pulls
those contracts, it's not Muskwho gets hurt. It's America's
Americans who lose connectivity.So let's hear from a commentator
on this economic hit.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
So Tesla stock sank 14% yesterday, its biggest one
day drop since 2020. Trump'smedia and technology company
also fell not by as much, butboy, what a difference a day
makes. Right? I mean, thesestocks have bounced back today,
not entirely, but we've gotTesla up about 5%. Trump's media
and tech company up about 4%.
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But I'll tell you what it hasbeen a roller coaster ride for
investors in both of thesecompanies. Just to give you an
idea since the beginning of theyear Tesla is still down 25% and
Trump's media and technologycompany is down nearly 40, Kira.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
That's the kind of chaos we can't afford right now.
Now let's talk about nationalsecurity. Elon's threat to
decommission SpaceX's Dragonspacecraft was a jaw dropper.
Dragon is NASA's lifeline to theInternational Space Station.
Without it, we are hitchingrides back with Russia or China.
Not exactly an America Firstmove. Musk walked it back after
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ex users like space patriottwenty two called him out
saying, Elon, don't tank NASAover a personal fight. But the
fact is, he even went thereshows how dangerous this feud
is. Trump's not blamelesseither. Threatening to cancel
SpaceX contracts risks our spaceprogram.
SpaceX launches militarysatellites and supports national
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defense. If Trump followsthrough, it's not just Musk who
gets hit, it's our security as anation. This is what happens
when personal grudges spill intothe policy. The swamp loves it.
While we are all distracted,they push bills through like
this $2,400,000,000,000 monster.
And let's not forget thepolitical fallout. Elon's talk
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of an America party for centristis stirring up conservatives. On
x, you have someone named MAGAforever forty five posted,
Elon's turning on Trump. He's noconservative. He's just another
globalist.
Meanwhile, someone named Libertyunderscore John says, Elon's
right about the debt, butstarting a new party, that's a
pipe dream. This feud'ssplitting our movement, and
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that's the last thing we needwhen we're fighting against a
big government. What's the realstory here? It's not just Trump
versus Musk. It's about the soulof our country.
The big beautiful bill is asymptom of government that
forgotten its place. Everydollar it spends, every
regulation it passes is a steptowards control. And when
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leaders like Trump and Musk areat each other's throats, it's a
gift to the bureaucrats andlobbyists who thrive on the this
chaos. I have two clips comingup. Both are from the same
event, but they are a little bitlonger than I would like to
play.
They are from the twenty twentyfive Berkshire Hathaway annual
meeting. And Warren Buffett'sgetting up there in age, and
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he's his speech is starting toslow down. So I think that is
why these these two segmentsdrag out. But he is speaking to
the part or point of The USnational debt is unsustainable.
So here are those two clips backto back.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
You know, and and government is the ultimate. So
it it it it it really doesn'thave any checks on it. And
that's why it scares you to someextent about about what the
future of the currency will bebecause they can print currency.
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And and if you have people thatget elected by promising people
things, and that doesn't meanthat that they aren't sincere
about all kinds of items, butthere's no politician that says
to anybody that, at least ifthey have money, that, you know,
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I really think you have badbreath. And if you don't mind,
would you step over and awayfrom me?
It just doesn't happen. They andso I because there's never been
a country like The UnitedStates. But you know that if
something can't go on forever,it will end, the quote of
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Herbert Stein, famous economist.And we are doing something
because it's unsustainable. Andand it has the it has the aspect
to it that it getsuncontrollable at a certain
point.
I mean, essentially, you justgive up on it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So what is Warren Buffett saying there? In those
two clips as well as the entiremeeting, he is essentially
saying this US debt is notsustainable. And though we've
been on the brink of collapsebefore, we've never coupled the
debt with this high inflation.And so that could be
catastrophic. We need to have aprogram like Doge.
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He did not say Doge. I'm justnot putting words in Warren
Buffett's mouth. But we need tohave a program that can check
the government on what they arespending and how they are
spending it. And finally, hesort of made a joke that he does
not want that job, that that jobwould be incredibly difficult.
And so that is credit to whatElon took on the task of doing.
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2,400,000,000,000.0 in new debtisn't just bad math. It's a
power grab. The governmentdoesn't just spend, it controls.
Take the Patriot Act of 02/2001,sold as security, but what did
it do? It gave us masssurveillance.
Or Obamacare in 02/2010, sold ashealth care, but now it's just a
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maze of mandates. This bill isthe same. It promises jobs but
delivers the debt. And with thedebt, more strings attached.
Conservatives like us fought forTrump because he promised to
drain the swamp, and Elon's dogewas part of that, cutting waste
and shrinking government.
But this feud's showing howfragile that promise is. Trump's
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pushing growth, but at whatcost? Eglon's calling for
discipline, but is he justposturing for attention? On x,
at c b d c b underscore dodgedoge nailed it. The media is
hyping this feud to distract usfrom the bill's real cost.
And I'm starting to thinkthey're right. The swamp wants
us focused on drama, not policy.And here's the scary part. This
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could get worse. If Trump andMusk keep fighting, it fractures
our coalition.
The left's watching, waiting topounce in the for the twenty
twenty six midterms. We can'tlet personal ego egos derail the
fight for liberty. We needleaders who put America First,
not their own personal grudges.The Trump Musk feud hits me hard
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because it's exactly the kind ofdistraction that lets the
government off the hook. Werally behind Trump to drain the
swamp, to put America First.
We backed Elon's doge because wewanted a government that works
for us and not against us. Butwhen they are trading jabs on x,
it's like watching a refereemiss the real fight, which is
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big government's creepingtakeover. The big beautiful bill
and its 2,400,000,000,000.0 debtisn't just numbers. It's a
threat to the liberty I got intothis fight to defend. And I know
you're in it for the samereasons.
I wanna hear from you. Have youfelt big government squeeze?
Maybe it's a regulationstrangling your job, a paycheck
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gutted by taxes, or just thedread of this debt piling up on
your kid's future. Feel free tohit me up on x at O'connor
Stand. Who knows?
I may read your response on mynext episode. Last night, I was
on x and saw two two or threedifferent posts here. One from
at patriot mom seventeen seventysix, and she nailed it. Trump
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and Musk need to stop thisnonsense and fight the real
enemy, big government, and Icouldn't agree more. Also, at
screep this guy asked, is thisfeud a setup to push the bill
through while we're distracted?
Great question. Now if you didnot hear, Chip Roy,
representative from Texas, Ibelieve the 20 First District,
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gave an amazing and fired upspeech to congress. Now here's
just thirty seconds of thatthirty minute address.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
It is not appropriate for us to run away from the
fight now that these young men80 ago ran into the fight to
preserve. This country will notsurvive if we mortgage it away.
And that's what we're doing.President Reagan was correct
when he said that every memberof congress when they come to
this floor and they offer a newbill for a new program should
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offer a tax increase to goalongside of it. Because
everybody in this chamberparticularly on this side of the
aisle are all too fine offeringtax cuts because it's like
selling dessert but refuse toput forward the spending cuts so
that people have to eat thebroccoli.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Now, if you've not seen or heard that fired up
heartfelt speech from Chip Royabout the debt, I heavily
recommend going to spend thirtyminutes. You know, go find it on
Rumble. If you can't find itthere, unfortunately, YouTube.
But spend the time watching thatvideo to understand exactly why
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he actually voted for it, butalso the reasons he has against
it. That being said, Chip Roy isone of the few politicians that
have plus a lot of plus onesnext to their name in my on my
spreadsheet.
Now what do I mean by that?Well, Dan Bongino, about three
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years ago, talked about the factthat we should never fall in
love with politicians. They'rethey're either going to be plus
ones or negative ones on aspreadsheet. And what what does
that mean? Either he's apolitician is doing something
good that you agree with, thatyou think is in the moral
interest of America, or they'redoing something bad that's
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hurting America, which is anegative one.
And you kinda total those up tosee where does this politician
fall. And Chip Roy is one of thefew politicians that does have a
lot of plus ones next to theirname. And so I just wanted to
bring that up. Alright, folks.We've been through the ringer
today, digging into the TrumpMusk feud and the government
overreach it's exposing.
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So let's cut to the chase.What's the bottom line? And what
do I, if you even care, thinkshould happen? First and
foremost, Trump and Musk need toput their egos aside and get
back to their respectivecorners. They are not here to
play rock star.
They are here for the Americanpeople, for you and me. I don't
give a damn about stroking theiregos or picking sides in their
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billionaire brawl. I'm rootingfor both of them to do what's
right. Trump to deliver on hisAmerica First promises and must
to keep fighting governmentwaste, but not if that means
selling out our future. Thisfeud's a distraction, and the
real enemy is a federalgovernment that's ballooning out
of control with a new$2,400,000,000,000 debt bomb
called the big beautiful bill.
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Now do I want this bill to pass?And honestly, I'm torn. Part of
me says it needs to pass at thispoint. Trump's got his mandate,
and there's stuff in there likethe tax cuts that could juice
the economy like we saw in02/2017. But 2,400,000,000,000.0
in new debt?
That's not conservative. It's agut punch to fiscal
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responsibility. And Trumppromised a balanced budget, but
he does have three and a halfmore years to make good on that.
Am I happy about it? Hell no.
That's 2,400,000,000,000.0 we'reborrowing from our kids, handing
China more leverage whilebureaucrats laugh all the way to
the bank. But I'm not ready towrite Trump off yet. He's got
time to fix it, and I believe hecan. Here's where we come in. We
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can't sit back and watch thiscircus.
We've gotta get louder, fiercer,and more relentless than ever.
Get on x, flood your senators'phone lines, tell them you're
watching every bill now and inthe for every dollar they spend.
Demand transparency. Check thecongressional budget office
report for yourself.2,400,000,000,000.0 isn't chump
change.
We need to primary the swampcreatures in congress. Those
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Republicans that are notRepublicans. Those career
politicians who love biggovernment more than liberty,
root out this waste, such asthose 400 federal agency Musk
wanted to gut, and then forceWashington to live Washington to
live within its means. Thisisn't just about this one bill.
It's about stopping the debtspiral that's choking our
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freedom.
On O'Connor's right stand, weare not just talking. We're
hopefully building a movement.So share this episode with your
friends, your neighbors, anyonewho's fed up with big
government. And follow us on allthe platforms, Spotify, Apple
Podcasts, and I'll be building awebsite. We're in this together,
patriots, and we need everyvoice to take our country back.
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Until next time, stand strong,keep the faith, and let's make
America great again. This isJohn O'Connor holding the line
unapologetically, signing off.
Welcome to O'Connor's Right Stand, holding the line
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unapologetically. This is thepodcast where we draw a line in
the sand for American libertyand take a wrecking ball to the
bloated and overreachinggovernment that's trying to
choke our freedoms. Today isSaturday, June, as of when I'm
recording this. I'm JohnO'Connor, a red blooded
conservative who's had it withbureaucrats, the elites, and the
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politicians treating us liketheir personal piggy bank. This
is our first episode, folks, andI'm coming out swinging with a
story that's got the nationbuzzing.
The explosive, no holds barredfeud between president Donald
Trump and Elon Musk. Two giants,two billionaires, once allies,
now trading punches over amassive government bill that
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could bury us in further debt.Is this a clash of conservative
titans, a betrayal of values, ora smokescreen to distract us
from the real enemy, a federalgovernment that's out of
control? Today, we're divingdeep, playing you five clips to
bring the story to life andpulling no punches on what this
means for our republic. So graba coffee, a drink, and settle
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in.
Let's fight for the America ourfounders intended. Before we
dive into the Musk Trump feud,which I had not intended to be
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my very first episode, let'stake a moment to talk about who
I am and why I'm here fightingalongside you. If you're going
to join me on this journey,tuning in week after week or
daily or a couple times a month,I don't have the frequency set,
to O'Connor's right stand, youdeserve a clear sense of the man
behind the mic, the patriotleading this charge against
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tyranny. I'm a conservativethrough and through,
unapologetically committed tothe principles of liberty,
faith, and family. I'm not arepublican though.
I generally vote for them nearly100% of the time because they do
come closest to defending thevalues that built this nation.
I'm a God fearing Catholic, aman who puts God first, my
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growing family second, myneighbors third, and my country
fourth, in that order. Thosepriorities guide every word I
speak, every stand I take. I'mnot here to play political games
or chase clout. I'm here tofight for the America we are
losing, the one our foundersbled for.
You'll hear echoes of DanBongino in my words, my
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arguments, and maybe even directnods to his work. As a loyal
listener of the Dan Bonginoshow, I've been shaped by his
fearless truth telling, hisunapologetic conservatism, and
his ability to rally patriots.Dan's podcast inspired me to
step up when he stepped into therole as deputy director of the
FBI. I've been playing thispodcast for over a year in my
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head, but Dan's influence andcareer shift lit the fire in me
to act now. Dan, if you'relistening, thank you for
reshaping me as a trueconservative patriot and now as
an attempted podcaster.
I hope one day to shake yourhand and tell you how your work
fueled this fight. Until then,I'll attempt to continue
carrying the torch, holding theline for liberty. I'm a 40 year
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old software programmer by day,not a professional podcaster,
marketeer, or journalist. I'mjust like you, a hardworking
patriot who sees this country onthe brink, bleeding under the
weight of a government thattakes 40% of our income and six
point five billion hours of ourtime. This podcast isn't about
getting rich.
I'm probably not gonna make adime. It's about fixing what's
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broken, about rallying patriotsto take back our freedom. I'm
still finalizing platforms, butfeel free to reach me on x at
O'Connor's stand to share yourthoughts, your stories, your
fight. Send me constructivecriticism to sharpen this blade
or, hell, send some praise tofuel the fire. I'm here for it
all.
This first episode tackles abroad issue. But as I hone my
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craft, expect deep dives intocurrent events from the
government overreach to culturaldecay. If you prefer these big
picture topics, let me know.This is your podcast built for
you, not me. So now let's getinto the meat and potatoes.
If you've been on X since June5, you know it's been a wild
ride. Donald Trump and ElonMusk, two of the biggest names
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in America, went from being bestbuds to bitter rivals faster
than you can say, drain theswamp. This isn't just gossip.
It's a seismic event forconservatives, and we need to
unpack it to kinda understandwhat's at stake for our freedom.
Let's set the stage.
In 2024, Elon Musk was Trump'ssecret weapon. The guy behind
Tesla, SpaceX, and X droppednearly 300,000,000 to help Trump
(04:48):
win the White House, turning Xinto a powerhouse for the MAGA
movement. When Trump took officein January 2025, he tapped Musk
to lead the Department ofGovernment Efficiency, DOGE.
Elon's mission, slash federalwaste, gut redundant programs,
and make Washington lean again.Trump was all in, calling Musk a
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genius and even rolling out aTesla Cybertruck on the White
House lawn in March to celebratetheir partnership.
On May 30, when Musk steppeddown from Doge, Trump handed him
a symbolic key to the WhiteHouse. It was a conservative
dream team until it was. Enterthe big beautiful bill, Trump's
flagship domestic pro policy.It's a mix of tax cuts,
(05:32):
infrastructure spending, andother measures pitched as a
boost for American jobs. Soundsgreat.
Right? But here's the kicker.The congressional budget office
says it'll add2,400,000,000,000.0 to the
national debt by 2035. That'strillion with a t, folks. Money
we don't have and borrowed fromour kids' future.
On June 3, Musk took to Xcalling the bill a disgusting
(05:56):
abomination. That undermineseverything Doge stood for. He
urged his 200,000,000 followersto swamp congress with calls to
kill it, and that lit the fuse.On June 5, Trump fired back
during a White House meeting.Let's hear it straight from the
president.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner
workings of this bill betterthan almost anybody sitting
here, better than you people. Heknew everything about it. He had
no problem with it. All of asudden, he had a problem, and he
only developed the problem whenhe found out that we're gonna
have cut the EV mandate becausethat's billions and billions of
dollars, and it really isunfair. We wanna have cars of
(06:37):
all types.
Electric, we wanna haveelectric, but we wanna have a
gasoline combustion. We wannahave different. We wanna have
hybrids. We wanna have all wewanna be able to sell
everything. And when that wascut, and congress wanted to cut
it, he became a little bitdifferent, and I can understand
that.
But he knew every aspect of thisbill. He knew it better than
(07:00):
almost anybody, and he never hada problem until right after he
left.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's Trump drawing a line in the sand. And if you
listen, you can hear this thingin his voice, disappointment,
maybe even betrayal. But Mustinblink, he hit back on x claiming
without me, Trump would havelost the election. He even threw
out an unverified bombshellsaying Trump's name is in the
unreleased Jeffrey Epsteinfiles. Now let's be clear.
(07:27):
There is zero evidence for thatclaim. And now on O'Connor's
right stand, we do stick to thefacts. But it shows how personal
this has gotten. Trump respondedby threatening to cut billions
in government contracts forElon's companies, Tesla, SpaceX,
Starlink. Tesla's stock tanked14% on Thursday, losing a
hundred and 50,000,000,000 in aday.
(07:49):
Musk even floateddecommissioning SpaceX's Dragon
spacecraft, which is criticalfor NASA before eventually
backing off. This feud's got itall. Big personalities, big
money, and big stakes. And as aconservative, I got one foot in
each camp. Trump's America Firstpolicies are why we voted for
him.
Trade deals, border security,bringing jobs back. But Musk is
(08:12):
sounding the alarm on runawayspending, and he's not wrong.
2,400,000,000,000.0 in new debtisn't pocket change. It's a
betrayal of fiscal conservatism.This fight's exposing a rift in
our movement, growth at all costversus discipline.
And while they're slugging itout, the real enemy, big
(08:33):
government, is laughing all theway to the bank. To get why this
feud hits so hard, we simplyjust need to zoom out. The Trump
Elon clash isn't just about twoegos. It's a symptom of a deeper
problem, a federal governmentthat's been growing like a weed
for decades, choking out ourfreedoms. On O'Connor's right
(08:54):
saying we're just not here toreact.
We're here to connect the dotsand show show you how history is
repeating itself. So let's goback to 02/2013. The IRS under
Lois Lerner got caught targetingconservative groups, think Tea
Party and Patriot organizations,for extra scrutiny during the
twenty twelve election. Theydelayed tax exempt statuses,
(09:16):
drowned groups in paperwork, allbecause they simply did not like
their politics. It was astraight up abuse of power, a
government weaponizing itsauthority to silence dissent.
I remember the outrage, folkslike us, regular Americans,
rallying against a system thattreated us like enemies. Let's
hear a reminder of that scandal.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The news broke last Friday that IRS agents had
applied extra scrutiny to groupswith Tea Party or Patriot in
their names when they appliedfor tax exempt status. The head
of that IRS division apologizedon Friday. Lois Lerner said it
took place during the 2012campaign. And she blamed low
(09:59):
level officials in the agency'sCincinnati office, which handled
the applications. But additionalreports over the weekend said
Lerner herself was informed ofthe targeting as early as 2011.
Other reports claim that the IRSalso zeroed in on groups that
focused on government spendingor educating Americans about The
(10:22):
U. S. Constitution. Thatinformation was based on a draft
report from a TreasuryDepartment inspector general.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's the government we're up against, a machine that
picks winners and losers basedon who is in power. So fast
forward to 2025 and the bigbeautiful bill of Trump. It's
just another chapter in the samestory. 2,400,000,000,000.0 in
new debt per the congressionalbudget office isn't just a
number. It's control.
(10:52):
Every dollar the governmentspends gives it more power to
regulate, surveil, and dictateour lives. And when Trump and
Elon are fighting, it's adistraction from that truth.
Let's talk about the billitself. Trump says it's about
jobs, tax cuts, infrastructuregrowth. Sounds like the 2017 Tax
(11:13):
Cuts and Jobs Act, which added1,900,000,000,000.0 to the
deficit but boosted GDP by 2.5%in 02/2018.
I get the appeal. Lower taxesmeans more money in our pockets.
But conservatives didn't justvote for growth. We voted for a
government that lives within itsmeans. Elon's Doge was supposed
(11:33):
to deliver that.
He pushed to cut redundantagencies. Did you know we have
400 federal agencies, many doingthe same thing? The Department
of Education alone burns80,000,000,000 a year, much of
it on bureaucrats and not thekids. Musk wanted to slash that,
but this bill is going the otherway. History is full of
(11:54):
warnings.
In the nineteen seventies,federal spending exploded,
leading to stagflation, doubledigit inflation, and stagnant
growth. Reagan came in, cuttaxes, but even he couldn't
fully tame the deficit. By 2018,we bailed out the banks with
700,000,000,000 in TARP funds,ballooning the debt. Today, our
(12:16):
national debt is over36,200,000,000,000.0. Adding
2,400,000,000,000.0 more is likepouring gas on a fire.
And who pays? Not the elites.It's us. Small businesses,
workers, families. All along,China's watching, holding our
debt, laughing as we weakenourselves.
(12:37):
So Elon's right to call thisout, but his tactics,
threatening to pull SpaceX'sdragging or talking about a new
America party feels likeshowboating. And Trump's
response, threatening to gutTesla's contracts, smacks of the
same government heavy handednesswe're fighting against. This
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feuds a microcosm of what'swrong with Washington. Too much
ego and not enough principle. Sowhat happens when two titans
like a Trump and a must go towar?
It's not just drama. It's realworld pain. Let's break down the
fallout because this feud'sripples could hit every
American. Start with theeconomy. When Trump threatened
(13:20):
to cut contracts for Tesla,SpaceX, and Starlink on June 5,
Tesla's stock crashed 14%,wiping out over a hundred
50,000,000,000 in value.
We've already mentioned this.That's not just Elon's problem.
That's pension funds, four zeroone k's, regular folks like us
who invest in Americancompanies. Starlink's another
casualty. It provides Internetto rural communities.
(13:43):
Think farmers in Iowa, smalltowns in Montana. If Trump pulls
those contracts, it's not Muskwho gets hurt. It's America's
Americans who lose connectivity.So let's hear from a commentator
on this economic hit.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
So Tesla stock sank 14% yesterday, its biggest one
day drop since 2020. Trump'smedia and technology company
also fell not by as much, butboy, what a difference a day
makes. Right? I mean, thesestocks have bounced back today,
not entirely, but we've gotTesla up about 5%. Trump's media
and tech company up about 4%.
(14:19):
But I'll tell you what it hasbeen a roller coaster ride for
investors in both of thesecompanies. Just to give you an
idea since the beginning of theyear Tesla is still down 25% and
Trump's media and technologycompany is down nearly 40, Kira.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
That's the kind of chaos we can't afford right now.
Now let's talk about nationalsecurity. Elon's threat to
decommission SpaceX's Dragonspacecraft was a jaw dropper.
Dragon is NASA's lifeline to theInternational Space Station.
Without it, we are hitchingrides back with Russia or China.
Not exactly an America Firstmove. Musk walked it back after
(14:58):
ex users like space patriottwenty two called him out
saying, Elon, don't tank NASAover a personal fight. But the
fact is, he even went thereshows how dangerous this feud
is. Trump's not blamelesseither. Threatening to cancel
SpaceX contracts risks our spaceprogram.
SpaceX launches militarysatellites and supports national
(15:21):
defense. If Trump followsthrough, it's not just Musk who
gets hit, it's our security as anation. This is what happens
when personal grudges spill intothe policy. The swamp loves it.
While we are all distracted,they push bills through like
this $2,400,000,000,000 monster.
And let's not forget thepolitical fallout. Elon's talk
(15:42):
of an America party for centristis stirring up conservatives. On
x, you have someone named MAGAforever forty five posted,
Elon's turning on Trump. He's noconservative. He's just another
globalist.
Meanwhile, someone named Libertyunderscore John says, Elon's
right about the debt, butstarting a new party, that's a
pipe dream. This feud'ssplitting our movement, and
(16:05):
that's the last thing we needwhen we're fighting against a
big government. What's the realstory here? It's not just Trump
versus Musk. It's about the soulof our country.
The big beautiful bill is asymptom of government that
forgotten its place. Everydollar it spends, every
regulation it passes is a steptowards control. And when
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leaders like Trump and Musk areat each other's throats, it's a
gift to the bureaucrats andlobbyists who thrive on the this
chaos. I have two clips comingup. Both are from the same
event, but they are a little bitlonger than I would like to
play.
They are from the twenty twentyfive Berkshire Hathaway annual
meeting. And Warren Buffett'sgetting up there in age, and
(16:49):
he's his speech is starting toslow down. So I think that is
why these these two segmentsdrag out. But he is speaking to
the part or point of The USnational debt is unsustainable.
So here are those two clips backto back.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
You know, and and government is the ultimate. So
it it it it it really doesn'thave any checks on it. And
that's why it scares you to someextent about about what the
future of the currency will bebecause they can print currency.
(17:26):
And and if you have people thatget elected by promising people
things, and that doesn't meanthat that they aren't sincere
about all kinds of items, butthere's no politician that says
to anybody that, at least ifthey have money, that, you know,
(17:48):
I really think you have badbreath. And if you don't mind,
would you step over and awayfrom me?
It just doesn't happen. They andso I because there's never been
a country like The UnitedStates. But you know that if
something can't go on forever,it will end, the quote of
(18:09):
Herbert Stein, famous economist.And we are doing something
because it's unsustainable. Andand it has the it has the aspect
to it that it getsuncontrollable at a certain
point.
I mean, essentially, you justgive up on it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So what is Warren Buffett saying there? In those
two clips as well as the entiremeeting, he is essentially
saying this US debt is notsustainable. And though we've
been on the brink of collapsebefore, we've never coupled the
debt with this high inflation.And so that could be
catastrophic. We need to have aprogram like Doge.
(18:52):
He did not say Doge. I'm justnot putting words in Warren
Buffett's mouth. But we need tohave a program that can check
the government on what they arespending and how they are
spending it. And finally, hesort of made a joke that he does
not want that job, that that jobwould be incredibly difficult.
And so that is credit to whatElon took on the task of doing.
(19:16):
2,400,000,000,000.0 in new debtisn't just bad math. It's a
power grab. The governmentdoesn't just spend, it controls.
Take the Patriot Act of 02/2001,sold as security, but what did
it do? It gave us masssurveillance.
Or Obamacare in 02/2010, sold ashealth care, but now it's just a
(19:37):
maze of mandates. This bill isthe same. It promises jobs but
delivers the debt. And with thedebt, more strings attached.
Conservatives like us fought forTrump because he promised to
drain the swamp, and Elon's dogewas part of that, cutting waste
and shrinking government.
But this feud's showing howfragile that promise is. Trump's
(20:01):
pushing growth, but at whatcost? Eglon's calling for
discipline, but is he justposturing for attention? On x,
at c b d c b underscore dodgedoge nailed it. The media is
hyping this feud to distract usfrom the bill's real cost.
And I'm starting to thinkthey're right. The swamp wants
us focused on drama, not policy.And here's the scary part. This
(20:26):
could get worse. If Trump andMusk keep fighting, it fractures
our coalition.
The left's watching, waiting topounce in the for the twenty
twenty six midterms. We can'tlet personal ego egos derail the
fight for liberty. We needleaders who put America First,
not their own personal grudges.The Trump Musk feud hits me hard
(20:48):
because it's exactly the kind ofdistraction that lets the
government off the hook. Werally behind Trump to drain the
swamp, to put America First.
We backed Elon's doge because wewanted a government that works
for us and not against us. Butwhen they are trading jabs on x,
it's like watching a refereemiss the real fight, which is
(21:10):
big government's creepingtakeover. The big beautiful bill
and its 2,400,000,000,000.0 debtisn't just numbers. It's a
threat to the liberty I got intothis fight to defend. And I know
you're in it for the samereasons.
I wanna hear from you. Have youfelt big government squeeze?
Maybe it's a regulationstrangling your job, a paycheck
(21:30):
gutted by taxes, or just thedread of this debt piling up on
your kid's future. Feel free tohit me up on x at O'connor
Stand. Who knows?
I may read your response on mynext episode. Last night, I was
on x and saw two two or threedifferent posts here. One from
at patriot mom seventeen seventysix, and she nailed it. Trump
(21:51):
and Musk need to stop thisnonsense and fight the real
enemy, big government, and Icouldn't agree more. Also, at
screep this guy asked, is thisfeud a setup to push the bill
through while we're distracted?
Great question. Now if you didnot hear, Chip Roy,
representative from Texas, Ibelieve the 20 First District,
(22:12):
gave an amazing and fired upspeech to congress. Now here's
just thirty seconds of thatthirty minute address.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
It is not appropriate for us to run away from the
fight now that these young men80 ago ran into the fight to
preserve. This country will notsurvive if we mortgage it away.
And that's what we're doing.President Reagan was correct
when he said that every memberof congress when they come to
this floor and they offer a newbill for a new program should
(22:42):
offer a tax increase to goalongside of it. Because
everybody in this chamberparticularly on this side of the
aisle are all too fine offeringtax cuts because it's like
selling dessert but refuse toput forward the spending cuts so
that people have to eat thebroccoli.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Now, if you've not seen or heard that fired up
heartfelt speech from Chip Royabout the debt, I heavily
recommend going to spend thirtyminutes. You know, go find it on
Rumble. If you can't find itthere, unfortunately, YouTube.
But spend the time watching thatvideo to understand exactly why
(23:23):
he actually voted for it, butalso the reasons he has against
it. That being said, Chip Roy isone of the few politicians that
have plus a lot of plus onesnext to their name in my on my
spreadsheet.
Now what do I mean by that?Well, Dan Bongino, about three
(23:43):
years ago, talked about the factthat we should never fall in
love with politicians. They'rethey're either going to be plus
ones or negative ones on aspreadsheet. And what what does
that mean? Either he's apolitician is doing something
good that you agree with, thatyou think is in the moral
interest of America, or they'redoing something bad that's
(24:04):
hurting America, which is anegative one.
And you kinda total those up tosee where does this politician
fall. And Chip Roy is one of thefew politicians that does have a
lot of plus ones next to theirname. And so I just wanted to
bring that up. Alright, folks.We've been through the ringer
today, digging into the TrumpMusk feud and the government
overreach it's exposing.
(24:26):
So let's cut to the chase.What's the bottom line? And what
do I, if you even care, thinkshould happen? First and
foremost, Trump and Musk need toput their egos aside and get
back to their respectivecorners. They are not here to
play rock star.
They are here for the Americanpeople, for you and me. I don't
give a damn about stroking theiregos or picking sides in their
(24:47):
billionaire brawl. I'm rootingfor both of them to do what's
right. Trump to deliver on hisAmerica First promises and must
to keep fighting governmentwaste, but not if that means
selling out our future. Thisfeud's a distraction, and the
real enemy is a federalgovernment that's ballooning out
of control with a new$2,400,000,000,000 debt bomb
called the big beautiful bill.
(25:08):
Now do I want this bill to pass?And honestly, I'm torn. Part of
me says it needs to pass at thispoint. Trump's got his mandate,
and there's stuff in there likethe tax cuts that could juice
the economy like we saw in02/2017. But 2,400,000,000,000.0
in new debt?
That's not conservative. It's agut punch to fiscal
(25:29):
responsibility. And Trumppromised a balanced budget, but
he does have three and a halfmore years to make good on that.
Am I happy about it? Hell no.
That's 2,400,000,000,000.0 we'reborrowing from our kids, handing
China more leverage whilebureaucrats laugh all the way to
the bank. But I'm not ready towrite Trump off yet. He's got
time to fix it, and I believe hecan. Here's where we come in. We
(25:53):
can't sit back and watch thiscircus.
We've gotta get louder, fiercer,and more relentless than ever.
Get on x, flood your senators'phone lines, tell them you're
watching every bill now and inthe for every dollar they spend.
Demand transparency. Check thecongressional budget office
report for yourself.2,400,000,000,000.0 isn't chump
change.
We need to primary the swampcreatures in congress. Those
(26:16):
Republicans that are notRepublicans. Those career
politicians who love biggovernment more than liberty,
root out this waste, such asthose 400 federal agency Musk
wanted to gut, and then forceWashington to live Washington to
live within its means. Thisisn't just about this one bill.
It's about stopping the debtspiral that's choking our
(26:37):
freedom.
On O'Connor's right stand, weare not just talking. We're
hopefully building a movement.So share this episode with your
friends, your neighbors, anyonewho's fed up with big
government. And follow us on allthe platforms, Spotify, Apple
Podcasts, and I'll be building awebsite. We're in this together,
patriots, and we need everyvoice to take our country back.
(26:58):
Until next time, stand strong,keep the faith, and let's make
America great again. This isJohn O'Connor holding the line
unapologetically, signing off.
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