March 20, 2025 • 46 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your curator Zach is taking you on a wild goose chase....Or should we Say Saucer Chase??
Take a ride with us through the 1960s as we relive the high-speed pursuit of an egg-shaped UFO by officers Spauer and Neff. Picture the scene: a mysterious object darting across state lines at 85 mph, leaving a trail of bewildered officers from Ohio to Pennsylvania. The fallout from this encounter was significant, altering the lives of those involved and sparking heated debates about the validity of UFO sightings.
From the iconic chase in Portage County, Ohio, to the film "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," we delve into how these encounters have shaped public perception and influenced pop culture. Along the way, we'll discuss J. Allen Hynek's shift from skeptic to believer and the challenges faced by those who dared to report the unknown.
References:
- https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/the-ufo-chase-you-saw-in-close-encounters-649637923267
- https://www.timesonline.com/story/news/local/2018/10/18/famous-86-mile-ufo-chase/9513751007/
- https://thepennsylvaniarambler.wordpress.com/2022/02/20/the-great-ufo-chase-part-one/
- https://medium.com/the-portager/seeing-a-ufo-ruined-dale-spaurs-life-f86bab152368
- https://www.clevescene.com/news/strangers-in-the-night-1485939
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_RFPnaIItY&t=2032s
- https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/something-happened-to-dale-68c2ac39d5a8
- https://www.coloradohistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=RMD19661016-01.2.10&e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN%7ctxCO%7ctxTA--------
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
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(00:47):
What's up, you little oddballs?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the podcast, where
we tell you creepy, odd, weird,strange, bizarre and also
sometimes funny, but also trulydeeply horrifying stories from
around the world wow, well, I amyour curator, kara, and this is
my.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Uh, whatever, he's cool, uh, curator zachary, but
it's his birthday today.
Little birthday, birthday boyZachary.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm old oh please, I shouldn't say that to you, but I
feel old.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You're not making it any better.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm digging a hole over here, fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh well, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right.
Well, when we're recording this, you're not actually old, no no
, no, I'm still young, but forwhen you're listening to this
it's your birthday I'm also, mybirthday is the first day of
spring, so I am channeling ithere.
I've got my sleeveless shirt on, you do, and and I am leaving
in like three days to be inarizona for a week in the
(02:01):
sunlight.
So I'm just trying to manifestwhere my other feelings and
we're in the future.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Last weekend we hung out with Lauren, oh yeah and did
some cool things.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
You might have seen our live from hanging out with
her.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I like the future.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It is so fun.
I feel like sometimes when werecord these, when we're talking
both like present for us andpresent for listeners, we're
like time travelers, dude.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I know we are, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So yeah, Fierce, we know how to travel in time in
our own made up kind of way.
Ok, so update on the customspirit board.
It is ready.
I have been offered pictures ofit but I said no because I want
, the first time that I see it,to see it with my whole eyeballs
.
But my Mothman spirit board.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I forgot about this.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I am so, so excited for this.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't think our listeners know I did.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I said something around Christmas, so my dad's
making me a custom Ouija board,spirit board, that's all Mothman
themed for Christmas and it is.
I saw the concept photo and itwas gorgeous and he was trying
to send me like updates so thatI'm like I don't know pictures,
I just I'm gonna message himright after this and be like can
I have pictures?
Yes, but don't do it, but don'tshare it with me I'm not going
to, I just want to know perfect.
(03:18):
Uh, what else do you have?
I feel like I don't have toomuch to talk about today um,
well, I guess our event iscoming up soon.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So, again, I hate being that person.
I don't know if there's tickets, obviously, because I don't
know in the future if there is,but if there are, yeah, come
join us.
Come join us.
If there are not, or you justdo not want to come, we don't
care.
That's cool.
Send good vibes because,bitches, I am terrified to host
an event.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I am scared that I'm gonna not have know how to talk
you're gonna be fine so I needsome good vibes that's the other
thing you could do, listeners,if this wasn't the event for you
, for whatever reason but you dowant to hang out with us let us
know what other kind of eventsyou'd like us to do, and we will
definitely make it happen whatif we don't even do an event?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
what if we just do?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
like a meetup somewhere, yes, okay okay, we
should.
Um, we're gonna get our brainsgoing.
I have, I have some ideas, butI'll talk to you off camera
about it okay.
Yeah, that would be cool cool,but still send us your ideas,
cool, cool.
What else you got before weopen up?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I think that's it.
Uh, thanks, patreon subscribers, thank you, thank you.
Yes, we appreciate you sogreatly.
Do you have a?
What else you got before weopen up?
I think?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
that's it, thanks, patreon subscribers.
Thank you, thank you, yes, weappreciate you so greatly.
Do you have a question?
I do have a question.
Would you call the police ifyou saw a UFO?
No, okay, so follow up to that.
Other than me, who would yourfirst, who would your first call
be to?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
My mom All fair enough, fair enough why would
you look like you thought itwould be for some to somebody
else?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
no, I don't know why, I would have imagined anybody
else, but yeah, uh, it'sdefinitely gonna be your mom,
yeah, so why would you not callthe police?
Uh number one, the shortversion.
I know that could be a verylong answer.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Uh, if you even call the police for normal things
that are normal, they don't doanything.
A lot of the time, too, they'rejust going to be like you're
crazy.
And three, they're just goingto gaslight you into just
believing it's like a spacecraftor, um, a plane or a like
fighter jet or gas swamp gasballs oh, hold on to that,
(05:29):
because this ties back into theswamp gas episode.
I have yet another question foryou oh wow, this is like my last
episode where I had all thequestions for you and it was
unplanned too um.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Have you ever seen the movie close encounters of
the third kind?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
no, you keep telling me I need to watch it oh my god,
you do need to watch it, okayso, hey, actually I have a call
to action.
Can somebody go back and listento every single one of our
episodes and make a list of allof the tv shows and movies that
I'm supposed to watch?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
thank you, oh, don't waste your time doing it.
You can tell her to watch themtill you're blue in the face.
She never will.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, but I want the list.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Don't waste your time , friends.
Please Take it from somebodywho's been doing this job for
years.
By job, I mean trying to makeher watch it, okay, anyways.
So in the movie there's areally famous scene, okay, and
it's an infamous chase wherethere's a bunch of police
cruisers following behind thislike ufo glowing orb, that's
(06:27):
like going down the street andthey're going through crazy
turns at like high speeds andshit.
And today I learned well, nottoday, but today, you are all
gonna learn that that scene isactually inspired by a real
event.
Oh, okay, so I did tell youthere was gonna be a swamp gas
tie-in though.
So if you remember and if youguys have listened to the
(06:49):
michigan ufo episode, we talkedabout um jay allen hynek, the
guy who was originally theskeptic um, who worked for
project blue book in the airforce, but then he, like, over
years of researching it, becamedefinitely not a skeptic and
like one of the best ufologists.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
In history, right, ok .
So he actually comes up with,like the classification system
that's used for the movie CloseEncounters of the Third Kind, oh
, he creates the six kinds ofencounter, ok.
So one is and bear with me, I'mdoing this by memory one is
lights in the sky at night,nocturnal lights.
(07:28):
Two is seeing a ufo during theday okay.
Three is seeing it on like radioor um oh yeah, yeah, satellite
yeah four, five and six are thenclose encounters of the first
kind, which would be the nightlights, close encounters of the
daylight or close encounter ofthe satellite image.
So that's the six kinds of ufo.
(07:48):
Okay, um, so anyways.
Obviously then alan hynek's orjay allen hynek's research gives
names to that movie.
He is gonna come back up laterin this episode, though, which
is why I wanted to remindeverybody who he was.
Okay, so 48 is when he kind ofstarts getting involved with
blue book.
By 53 he starts to like sort ofchange his mind.
(08:10):
In the 60s he's like full-blownbeliever, and by the 70s he's
like screw what the governmenttold everybody.
Everything was cool okay okay,the infamous.
Okay, okay.
The infamous case that inspiredthat scene goes back to 1966,
and it's around 5 am on April17th just east of Akron, ohio,
(08:34):
in Portage County, and it's asuper cold night but the sky is
very clear, so you know there'slike crisp April nights where
it's just all the stars are out,not a cloud.
Deputy Sheriff Dale F Spauer ison patrol with his partner,
wilbur, or Barney Neff.
I always love, by the way, whenthey shorten somebody's name.
(08:57):
It's the same amount ofsyllables.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Or like how Jack is somehow the nickname for John.
I will never get it.
It is yeah, yeah, like John FKennedy.
They call them Jack all thetime.
I had an Uncle Jack.
His name was John I don't getit.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I don't understand how you get what.
What was Barney from Wilbur?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, once again, our favorite answer We'll never
know, although that one I'm surewe could Google.
Okay, so Spauer at the timehe's 35.
He's been with the force forlike two years, happily married,
father of two kids.
So he works as a night deputyand then he does construction
during the day.
He's busy.
He was also an Air Forceveteran of the Korean War.
(09:40):
Yeah, he's busy, but he's likean upstanding dude.
Veteran construction police.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What year is this?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
again 66, 66, okay yeah, his partner on this night
is barney neff, 26.
He's a mechanic by trade whovolunteers his time on the
weekend to assist assist thesheriff on the night shift.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Assess the sheriff.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That's a hard sentence to say.
Neff also served in the Navy.
He worked at or worked inmissile tracking at Cape
Canaveral, so he's also a prettyoutstanding guy too.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
So they know though what.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, they know things in the sky.
They know, yeah, they're smartand, like I said, usually at
least in the 60s cops andveterans pretty darn trustworthy
.
I'm going to rephrase that Atleast in the 60s cops pretty
darn trustworthy.
I still think veterans aretrustworthy car they've had sort
of a busy night, they'veinvestigated a crash, they've
(10:40):
delivered coffee to linemen whoare working late shut the fuck
up, that's assisted a strandedmotorist, and that's all just
since midnight.
So between midnight and 5 amcrazy evening, I know, wow.
So as they're driving, theyhear some chatter on the radio
about a woman who called intothe police station regarding
(11:02):
some strange lights in the skynear akron.
So one of them in the patrolcar jokes about it's probably a
prank, while the other onestates, well, maybe they're just
seeing the planet venus, whichon this night is like super
clear and bright.
Um, it's actually brighter thanthe north star.
So, like you know they're, theytalked about it, they kind of
laughed it off, they didn't givethis another thought this is
(11:24):
sounding familiar, but I feellike all cases like this I know
like the exact same, like start,it's wild oh, it's the same.
We ignore, yeah, the crazyperson who called in about the
light.
Um, so, as they're drivingalong, they notice an abandoned
ford vehicle.
So they're like, well, weshould check it out, because,
like, what else are they doingin the, the middle of Ohio, in
the middle of the night?
(11:44):
So, spauer, he gets out, hechecks the driver's side,
notices the vehicle is empty.
Neff is waiting near the rear,in case you know some sort of
altercation breaks out.
Spauer takes his flashlight andhe's like looking in the car
just to see if he can see.
You know anybody, maybesleeping in the back or like,
yeah, anything.
Neff goes sleeping back or like, yeah, anything, nef goes, wow,
(12:07):
man, venus is really brighttonight, kind of looking off.
Oh yeah, that's when they bothnoticed something a little bit
strange about venus way up therein space, because nef looks at
it again and realizes that itjust moved really quickly uh,
yeah, nanny, he kind of brushesit off.
You know it's it's early in themorning, but then they both
notice that venus is gettinglarger and larger and closer and
closer.
Oh my god something ain't right,something ain't right about
(12:32):
venus.
Uh, maybe because it's not so.
Anyways, they're like totallyfocused on this now, right, and
it's gotten so close that it'slike coming just over the
treetops as it moves from eastto west.
What would you do?
I don't know.
Like because this is you know.
They're on a car right off thehighway.
They've seen this thing way offand all of a sudden, in moments
(12:52):
, it's now like hovering closeto them at 300 feet off the
ground.
Yeah, both of them are tryingto like squint and get their
eyes to focus.
It's giving off this reallystrong, like bluish white light.
They said almost like kind oflike an arc welder, okay.
And then the there's like aspotlight underneath it that's
illuminated in the groundbrighter than like any moonlight
(13:15):
would even be.
So it's like this thing isbright, okay.
So they're, they're stillstaring at it, they.
They figure it's about 35 to 45feet across, 15 to 25 feet tall
and it's making a low, steady,humming noise, sort of like an
electrical transformer.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I know we've talked about it so many times I think,
like in Batsquatch episode, no,you can't.
I can't look up at something orlook in a distance and be like
I think that that's a seven to10 feet and 45 inches in
diameter.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
They do the best they can.
I will say in their case likeother people give descriptions
and it matches almost perfectly.
Ok so, but they're doing theirbest to like no, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But you know what I'm saying?
Like oh yeah, if you were tosee a low flying plane, you
would have no idea what thedimensions.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
A guesstimate would be no, no, we would literally
just do it in like comparison,like that's as big as a, a cyber
truck we wouldn't be giving itin feet, in centimeters and shit
.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So it just blows my mind that all these people do
this and all these like it'scrazy.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So, anyways, they're like staring at it, they're
frozen in fear and then,thankfully, their cop instincts
kick in, mostly because thespotlight under this thing is
now like coming right towardsthem and they block it back to
the cruiser and they immediatelystart to remember the prank
call from earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Right, so yeah, because they stopped to just
look at the car that happened tobe on the side.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Okay, yeah, duh so it's now 507.
When they call the radiooperator, uh, robert wilson, and
wilson, notes, takes note ofspauer's report and the
directive comes through rightfrom wilson.
He says just go shoot it down.
Thankfully, sergeant HenrySchoenfeld, who is also at the
station overhearing this, thathold on we cannot shoot this
(15:11):
down.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's the worst directive.
Such 60s way of thinking what.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I know he goes.
It could be a weather balloon,he goes.
Can you guys just take somepictures of it?
But they don't have a camera.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It could be yeah, okay okay.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So finally a direction comes through that
makes any sort of sense.
He says, okay, just keep theobject in sight while we come up
with a plan.
Basically, if you need topursue it, pursue, just follow
this thing that we don't knowwhat it is.
So, nephenspar, do just that,not a moment.
After that, this craft moves abit east, a bit higher, and then
(15:45):
starts to pick up speed andjust starts flying.
Okay, but it is going rightover the highway that they just
pulled off of.
Spauer is driving as fast as hecan, neff is.
He's got his face like glued tothe windshield to not lose
sight of it.
Okay, they're on the radio.
They're starting to like try togive a better description.
They say it's almost like eggshaped, with the depression in
(16:07):
the top portion of it, with likean antenna coming out of there.
Okay, and then below it itlooks conical, but it's really
just a cone-shaped light comingdown.
Okay, so they're saying thatit's moving about 300 feet off
the ground.
And now this one I will givethem credit for that is moving
at 85 miles an hour, and theyknow this because they are going
(16:28):
85 miles an hour to track it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
OK, well, yeah, that makes sense, because it's
obvious.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
This thing is still like it's kind of darting left
to right.
It's flying down the road butstaying like directly over the
highway.
They said it felt almost as iflike it wasn't trying to get
away from them, but almostplaying like cat and mouse, like
it was kind of like messingwith them.
Yeah, like it was totallyplaying with them.
So they're, they're still goingright.
They're coming up on Atwater,ohio, then into Deerfield.
(16:57):
Object now had like lost themfor a little bit.
They thought they got lost andall of a sudden it like pops up,
like as if it was waiting forthem.
Ok, so it plays this gamethrough Canfield Village into
East Palestine, ohio, and nowit's getting near the
Pennsylvania border.
So they're going like adistance.
Wow, up ahead in Pennsylvania,patrolman Wayne Huston.
(17:20):
He is 32.
He's sitting in his patrol carand he's hearing the radio
chatter because back in the 60s,like not every station had
different frequencies.
They all just kind of basicallyshared one and if they got
close enough to each other theycould pick up each other's calls
.
So he's, he's there listeningto everything.
(17:40):
He's kind of getting a littlebit excited.
He realizes they're heading hisway.
Also, he's been on the forcefor six years, also a veteran,
and was contender for chief.
I just want to make sure wehave backstory for all these
guys.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Okay, sorry, I just had to look something up because
ever since you described theway it looked, I was trying to.
I'm like okay, so you said thiswas in 66?
Because the Flintstones cameout in like the 60s and the
great gazoo is the alien inthere.
Yeah, and that's exactly whathis little spaceship looks like.
It's like a little egg, alittle egg with uh, okay, yeah,
(18:15):
I just had to.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Similar in my brain.
Similar, okay, um.
Imagine it more, though, likeif the back of his ship, instead
of being being totally conical,had a depression, and that's
where the antenna was coming outof, and then you have that
perfect beam coming down.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, I just had him in my head.
I'm like I've got to look thisup.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, no, it's not totally far off.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was like, okay, so if that, because, yeah, if that
came out like the 60s I don'tknow what episode he came into.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Like what episode he came into, like, are people it
could be?
I mean, you know what I mean?
I'm just 50s and 60s was hugefor uf, yeah, yeah yeah, that's
when we also have um, oh my god,why am I?
Okay, sorry, okay, so, anyways,yeah.
So huston, right, he'slistening in.
He realizes he's like justahead of the action and then all
of a sudden he looks up andgoes oh shit, I can see it.
He sees the object about fivemiles away and it's coming right
towards him that's so crazyright, so just like within five
(19:14):
minutes, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And now this is at what time.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So this is still between five and six in the
morning.
Oh this is crazy, yeah, thiswhole thing happens over an hour
and a half.
Okay, so he, like object, goespast him in the sky.
He says it's about 85 miles anhour at 900 feet.
Okay, okay, he gives a similardescription, though so his
(19:39):
description now.
Mind you, when everyone givestheir descriptions, they're not
together.
He says it looks like an icecream cone that had started to
melt at the top.
So again, oh, okay, yeah divotwith the conical light coming
down.
Okay, so the object goes pasthim.
And then all of a sudden,spauer and neff fly right past
him and he just joins.
(19:59):
He's like, okay, whatever,we're on the same radio, I'm
helping you guys.
So now we have three officersin two cars part of this so bad.
I know going at high speedsthere's like started in ohio.
They just crossed intopennsylvania, okay wait, I'm
sorry, little little.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Uh.
Extraterrestrials in thespaceship are like these fucking
bozos.
They're like why are they?
They're never gonna get us like.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
They're just fucking around they're having the time
of their lives.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I love this oh my god , I wish we had the footage of
the inside of the.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I know so this is where it gets fun, though right,
because now they're inpennsylvania and the highway is
now sort of back roads.
Okay, oh, huston is givingdirections over the radio to the
lead car, which has neff andspauer in it, so that they can
keep up with the object asthey're going through these back
(20:54):
roads and like hills and curvesright still like they tap out a
couple times over 100 miles anhour.
These are 66 patrol cars allright.
Yeah, we gotta remember that nowremember it's like six in the
morning yeah, so they also startto lose the object because they
get stuck in slow movingmorning church traffic.
(21:15):
Oh church traffic, oh god yeah.
So they come into Rochester, pa.
They're about to give up and gohome.
The sun is starting to come up.
They lost the object and all ofa sudden it pops up over a
hilltop again, as if it hadstopped and waited for the final
, it did.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This is so funny.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So they chase it through Conway, pa, where
another patrolman, frankPansanella, age 33, he's
standing beside his patrol carAgain, a veteran.
Okay, this is so funny.
It's early morning and he'slooking at this guy like what is
that?
He's rubbing his eyes, lookingagain, you know, trying to make
(21:52):
sense of whatever he's seeing inthe sky.
Now he describes the object ashalf a football with a dent in
it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hey Arnold.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Which is the same exact definition or description,
except for the fact the sun'scoming up, so now he can't see
the cone-shaped light underneathit, right, okay.
He's on a different frequency,though, than everyone else,
because they've traveled so farnow, so he hasn't heard the
radio chatter, so he's likestaring up at this thing, right
fuck.
Then he starts to see threepolice officers in two cars one
(22:26):
ohio, one pa funny flying pasthim and he's like what the fuck,
what the hell?
So they fly past him and thenstop ahead and turn around and
they like roll down theirwindows like did you see it?
And he's like see what?
And they just point to theobject and go that.
And then panzanella's like ohyeah, I've been watching that
for like a half an hour becausehe's been watching it.
(22:47):
Come right, he gets on theradio to let rochester pa know
what they're observing and sayshey, you need to let the airport
know.
The radio operator comes backand says are you feeling all
right?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
right, exactly, yeah, and panzan.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, and Pantanello, I love this guy.
He's kind of sassy, he goes ifI'm sick.
So are these other three patrolmen.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
If I'm sick, it's a condition going around.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So they kind of started to take him seriously.
They report to the airport andthe Air Force and they decide
that they're going to try toscramble some jets to intercept
the object, because nobodyreally knows what it is.
It's been over an 80 mile chaseat this point.
Ok, this is so fun.
They're all four of them arejust kind of you know, parked
there watching it.
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They call it in.
Now it's not moving as quicklyanymore.
It's still moving, but thechase isn't going on anymore.
So why is it going to, you know, run away.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
This is so, so hilarious it's taunting them.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They hear that the jets are closing in.
Oh yeah.
All of a sudden, though, itstarts to slowly rise.
From that 900 feet Gets toabout 3,500 feet.
The jets are getting reallyclose to being like visual range
In a second flies up straightinto the air.
It's gone.
I love this.
So this chase just comes to ascreeching halt after, yeah, 86
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total miles they traveled.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So let's talk about the aftermath of this wait, I'm
just thinking that now they'veall got to drive all the way
back home and just be like thislong ass.
Drive home.
For what?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
yeah, yeah, going.
What the hell did we just seethey get back to their stations
and they all report.
They all give super similaraccounts, and so the
descriptions I've been givingyou of how they've been
describing it all come fromtheir reports, which were taken
separately at separate stations,except for neffensbauer, right,
um, and because the air forcewas alerted, of course, who gets
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pulled in?
but project blue book I forgotabout now not, uh, jl and hynek,
because this isn't big enoughfor him really.
Um so on friday, april 22nd,major quintanilla jr, who is a
another commander project bluebook, in case I haven't said it,
project blue book is the airforce project.
That Major Quintanilla Jr, whois another commander of Project
Blue Book, in case I haven'tsaid it, project Blue Book is
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the Air Force project that wasstudying UFO UAP.
So he states, after heinterviewed all the officers and
everything else, the objectNeff and Huston and Spauer
chased across two states thatPantanilla also watched was in
fact fact the planet venus.
To explain the object'smovement across the sky, major
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quintanilla insists that theofficers first saw an echo
communication satellite that wascrossing the northwest.
Then they unknowingly refocusedon venus rising in the
southeast.
Sure, most people didn't buythis, especially since we had
that call from before, but therewas tons of other eyewitnesses,
I forgot about that lady.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What did she say exactly?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Strange lights in the sky.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Strange lights Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, but there's a bunch of people between Ohio and
Pennsylvania who also witnessedthis thing.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh well, yeah, I guess they would right.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So then we get the typical right.
It was a weather balloon.
So that's what some of the newsreports and other people are
saying who, don't, you know, buyinto Project Blue Book but
they're not ready to say UFO.
But this was, like reallyquickly discredited because
there's enough weather reportsthat night to show that if it
was at anywhere from this 900 to3500 feet, there wasn't enough
wind to move it at those speedsyeah.
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But the damage is already doneby these stories and our
officers start getting publiclyridiculed for chasing a UFO.
You know everyone's right.
It was a satellite dude Likeyou're really going to be able
to protect us, Sheriff Spauer,he, he was the lead of him and
he kind of takes the brunt ofall the negative attention.
(26:45):
Oh so most of the news storiesand the radio and TV newscasts
and what everyone's writing kindof paint this picture.
Him is just this crazy UFOchase guy and he led all these
officers on yeah but OK,whatever Continue.
Spauer was usually like somebodywho really was cool, calm and
collected and he just keptsaying I had never seen anything
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like this.
He was really worried peoplewouldn't believe him and think
he was lying.
Neff also describes hisreaction to an identified object
.
He said he's not afraid of itmore, that he was at peace with
it.
He said it didn't really shakeme up or bother me half as much
as it did Dale Spauer, which Ithink was kind of an unnecessary
dig.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think that's something that gives proof,
though, that Spauer really isn'tmaking this up.
Like I said, he's usuallyreally calm and collected.
If he was lying he'd probablystay pretty similar, but we
actually have a quote from hiswife at the time.
He came home that day and Inever saw him more frightened.
He acted strange listless.
He just sat around.
He was very pale.
All sorts of people came to thehouse investigators, reporters.
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They kept him up all night.
They kept after him, houndinghim.
They hounded him right into theground and he changed.
That's so awful.
Then later he got real nervousand he started to run away.
He just disappeared.
For days and days I wouldn'tsee him.
Our marriage fell apart, ohshit.
So kind of soon after.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh sorry no, I'm just thinking because that comment,
what did he say?
What was that comment?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
spowers or nafs nafs uh, he said that he wasn't too
afraid, that he was at peacewith it, but it didn't shake me
up or bother me half as much asit did dale I think that like
okay, hearing that comment, likeyou said, that is like a dig
and that's like unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
But I'm the biggest, the biggest I just put my foot
in my mouth type of person whereI say things like that, where
it's like that's not how Iintended it to be, like he might
have just been trying to be,like I wasn't as like shaken up
or like, but the way it's saidis the way it's said is poor.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What I think he was doing is really close to what
you were saying, where, like hedidn't mean to put his foot in
his mouth, I think he was tryingto bury what he was going
through.
Yeah, by saying it didn't shakeme up, but then showing that it
shook Dale up kind of givestruth to it happening.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Exactly, I don't think it.
It doesn't, to me at least.
It sounds like something stupidthat I would say, and then
later I'd call you and be like Iknow I shouldn't have said this
, but but soon after the quotefrom Dale Spauer's wife.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's so sad.
He comes home afterdisappearing again, he gets into
an argument with her, grabs herby the arm and shakes her, but
does it hard enough to leavebruises, which is not good.
We don't condone.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Where was he going?
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No idea, he's probably just driving around.
She presses charges, he's takento jail, they take his badge
and she files for a divorce.
So I'm spower's.
Life completely falls apart, um, and this is why we don't
really know where he's going.
They have tried so many timesto get interviews to do anything
and he just shut it down.
He actually, he, his story getsreally sad.
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He kind of bounces around fromjob to job and place to place
and is just shut it down.
He actually, he, his story getsreally sad.
He kind of bounces around fromjob to job and place to place
and is just really lost until hedoes end up remarrying.
Okay, he moves to west virginianear new river gorge, um, and
they kind of have a happy endingrunning a bar together, which
new river gorge in west virginiais where I went last year and I
can tell you it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You should have went to his bar.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I know, oh, it's closed.
I did look that up when I sawthis Darn Going back to Neff.
Right, we know Neff tried todownplay everything, but again
the wife comes in.
His wife also gives a quotethat Leave it to the wives Gives
a little insight.
Oh, leave it to the wives Givesa little insight.
Oh yeah, they sold these guysright out.
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So she says I hope I neveragain see him like he was after
the chase.
He was real white, almost in astate of shock.
It was awful, and people madefun of him afterwards.
He never talks about it anymore.
Once he told me if that thinglanded in my backyard, I
wouldn't tell a soul.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Here's what's unfortunate, because you and I
wouldn't call the police if wethought we saw a unidentified
object, a ufo, whatever we'recalling them nowadays.
You and I wouldn't.
But they were officers, likethey were literally just doing
their job and they werereporting their job and they
were doing as they were told,absolutely so.
(31:21):
To be then ridiculed and madefun of mocks, whatever, is just
really.
It's disturbing, but it's justlike really fucked up to me and
it's really sad that, like thereare so many people that just
cannot handle that type ofridicule and mockery.
And I don't know if I could,but I'm just because I've never
had to put myself in thatposition or I've never been in
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that position and I don't evenknow how to put my shoes in or
you know what the fuck I'mtrying to say.
But that's just like it's reallysad, because you do hear a lot
of times like any sort oftraumatic event or things like
that.
It does it.
You know it ruins yourrelationships, it ruins your,
your, your, almost like yourbrain chemistry.
I know that's probably notright, but like like he wasn't a
(32:03):
violent person for them, to him, to them put his hands on his
wife, for her to press chargesand file for divorce.
That's like you know.
Like all these out of character.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You have to think about everything he's going
through.
Like you said, he did what hewas being told.
Nobody believes him.
Now he's being ridiculed.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You know this is a man, a family man, who served
his country, who served his,then goes on to serve his
community so it's crazy to me,though, because you would think
that those two would kind ofjust band together and be like
hey, whatever way they wanted toplay it.
Like hey, I guess we don't knowwhat it was like, we were doing
what we were told, and that'sthat like whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Like, I think, because both of them kind of
took the stance of we're nottalking about it at all anymore,
you can't.
If you're gonna just kind ofbury it, you can't band together
I guess I mean like at first,yeah, like right away.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Like I, they did at first because when they were
being interviewed by projectblue book, both of them were
super cooperative, telling thewhole story.
Right, it wasn't until theywere diminished by the air force
.
Yeah, with this bullshit story,because, like, they're trusted
members of their community.
And then all of a sudden, theair force is coming out and
saying they got a satelliteconfused with a planet and
(33:16):
thought it was an alien.
Like you know, you have toalmost put it in the fact of
like the community members,right, is that?
Who you want showing up to yourmurder or your accident is
somebody who doesn't know aplanet from a alien.
I, I think that's where some ofthe spirals happen in their
brains, you know?
Yeah, so then we have mr hust.
(33:37):
He was the third one to join in, remember?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So after weeks of public ridicule on his end and
he's facing the anger of thepolice chief because remember I
told you he was a contender forthe police chief oh yeah yeah,
the guy who got it was his enemyand looked for any way.
So now this guy's just shittingall over him.
Yeah, and Huston ends upquitting as well.
(34:04):
The only one who remains a copis panzanella.
He doesn't speak about thatnight again, hardly ever denies
every request for an interview.
You know he didn't chase it.
So I think that like that'spart of why huston was fired too
.
Or ends up quitting becausethey're like you went into
another state with off, or youwent in our state with officers
from another state.
Nobody gave you this, Like youjust kind of went rogue.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I mean, I guess I do understand that part of it, like
that's not really yourjurisdiction or whatever, like I
guess I get that, like I willsay this, and this, I think, is
one of the things that helpsmake me trust everything they
went through.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You already believe it anyway.
Yeah, couldn't stop right here.
This is one of those stories.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think that there, there's just not a way for me to
disbelieve by any first off,there's less actual evidence of
the things that they're claimingthat it is than anything else
you.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You know what I mean.
Just say it's an unidentifiedobject.
I think the Air Force I don'tthink they know as much as we
think they know right, all theUFO reports.
I think they're just they'rebetter, they're like hey,
instead of telling the public wedon't know what this is, we're
just going to explain it off assomething normal.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Are you talking now or then?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Or, in general, I'm not saying they don't know
nothing, I'm just saying I don'tthink they know as much as we
give them credit, both now andthen, because if they were able
to explain it fully, we would,they would have disclosed Well,
parts of it, you know.
Anyways, I still think theyknow way more than they're ever
letting on, but they don'tunderstand it fully.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, maybe you're right that way.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah.
The part, though, that makes metrust them more than anything
is that the three officers Neff,Spauer and Huston they never
once deny or take back the story.
They gave their reports, theywere ridiculed, they went silent
, but they never, ever say thisdid not happen, which would be
so easy to do if you've alreadylost everything.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I guess here's my thought, though I get where
you're coming from with that,but if I've already lost
absolutely everything, whatwould the point, what would it
benefit me for to go back and belike, yeah, never mind, I was
lying.
Well, if you were making it up,why would you?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
if you were making it up, you would have came clean
almost right when the publicridicule started.
If you're not making it up, totake it that far, yeah, because
what?
What do they have to gain?
If they were, you know what Imean anyways.
Where, where are you at on thisone?
Do you even have to ask me I'm,I just fucking did, yeah, but
like come on, okay, so so youbelieve that happened yeah okay.
(36:36):
So I told you that hynek wascoming back into this and you're
probably like where is he?
Quintanilla and Hynek, bothvery high up in Project Blue
Book, both fucking hate, eachother.
Okay, because Quintanilla thinksthat Mr Astronomy Science Hynek
over here is not explainingaway enough things, away enough
(37:05):
things, and hynek is like thisdude's trying to say that
everything is a gas or asatellite or a planet, like they
, they both think that the otherone's approaches to explanation
, disclosure, are justcompletely wrong.
Okay, and remember, in the 60s,this is our hynex, like bought
in at this point.
Right, hynek has his assistant,right?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I just have to ask.
I think I got a little bit lost.
Okay, so, hynek, and then who'sthe other person?
Quintanilla, but I thought hedid believe it.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
No, Quintanilla is the general from Project Blue
Book who came down andinterviewed everyone and then
said it was a satellite.
What the fuck was the?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
other guy that like woke up and just looked outside
and saw it.
What was his name?
Panzanilla, panzanilla.
Okay, I was like wait, are youfucking with me right now?
Okay, okay, okay, fucking withyou right now, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So these two, hynek and Quintanilla, are from
Project Blue Bull Got you.
I got you they both go andinvestigate UFOs.
They just both go completelyopposite, Quintanilla.
It's always explainable, Hynek.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Quintanilla and Tanzarella.
I got a little.
I'm like wait, I thought he didbelieve.
What are you talking about?
Okay, I got you.
Now I got you thought he didbelieve.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
What are you talking about?
Okay, I got you.
Now I got you.
It's some time after, so theofficial report's already out.
Heineck can't do anything aboutit.
But what he can do is have hisassistant send letters to huston
, neff and spauer.
Oh and okay.
His letter says I found outconsiderably more about this
event uh, about this event thanthe air force investigator did.
Because I can, or because ofthat I cannot, agree with the
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evaluation publicly released afew days after the sighting.
What you have reported couldnot possibly lead to such a
conclusion.
And then, in parentheses, theVenus explanation.
I was not consulted before thisnews release was put forth.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
So because I you know , Alan works for Project Blue
Book and the Air Force, but he'snot a member of the Air Force,
he's a scientist.
Quintanilla is a general of theAir Force, right?
So he can't come out and justsay, hey, this other guy's
report is wrong, but he can sendthe letter.
No-transcript chase.
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That inspired the scene inclose encounter to the third
kind I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm upset, why?
Because I feel like it was sucha it's listen, you did great,
but it was so fun.
Like it was such a funbeginning.
I'm like this is great, likelet's just chase this, like like
we're playing a game.
I love it.
Like this is fun.
And then everyone's lives gotruined, yeah, and then it's like
for what?
For what?
a game, a cat and mouse likethat there are so many worse
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things that people do and did inthe 60s that you.
They should have been ridiculedfor doing your job and
following an object floating inthe air.
It's just not one of them.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
No, it's um.
It's an interesting story,though I think no.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I love it, but it's just sad.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Why was so much of this happening?
This is the same sort of flaparea West Virginia, ohio,
pennsylvania where all this wasall happening for so long.
I need to know more, becauseyou and I and I'm not going to
go into a long spiel on this butyou and I both agree that most
times what we're seeing is UFOor UAP, unidentified aerial
phenomenon, or probably notaliens from other planets.
(40:52):
But what was going on at thattime?
I just like I want to, if Icould go back in time for real
and be a time traveler, I'mgoing to the flat.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Although I would show up and they'd probably think I
was part of it.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So For sure, for sure , Although I would show up and
they'd probably think I was partof it, so I don't know if
that'd be the greatest thing Iwant to show you.
I got new earrings.
Did I show them to you when youwere here?
They're little aliens.
Oh no, let me see.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Are you wearing them right now?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
No, I should have and I thought about it.
Hold on, okay.
Okay, one's a little alien,cute dude.
You know where I found theseclaire's meyer?
I'm telling you, dude meyer,stepped up their game on that
shit, though I'm like they'rethey're clothes and everything
(41:36):
so cute and they're on littlechains, so dorbs.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Okay, sorry, no, you're good I have.
So I appreciate you leaving uswith something light, but after
your darkness last week, Iplanned a light thing.
So do you want to hear a cutestory about close encounters of
the third kind?
Yeah, do you know who watchesthis on most of their
anniversaries every year?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
the parental units oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
So when they first started dating, mom calls my dad
and says hey, oh god, will yougo with me to a halloween party?
And he's like yeah, sure shegoes.
Okay, are they?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
actually official or they're still like.
Ok, they're like dating.
You know it's fairly early on.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
And mom goes OK, but you have to.
You know, like ask your dad.
My dad's like why do I have toask my parents?
She was because we're going toToronto.
So mom takes them to this,apparently like crazy Halloween
party in Toronto.
They have a great time.
They get a hotel room.
I think your mom told me thisin the hotel.
Yeah, they watched.
It was like one of their firstreal dates ever.
(42:34):
They watch close encounters ofthe third kind together.
So now like they'll like watchit when they want to have like
little sappy date nights andstuff.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It's so cute and I did ask for their permission to
to share that.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That is so cute.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's what I've got for you, right?
Ok, good job.
Emojis for this one Police carand flying saucer.
Duh, it's an easy one for sure,Wow.
And also, if you made it thisfar to Echo Cara from last week,
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Please just share.
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You know, we want to do somecool things and, um, yeah, let's
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Okay, that's really all I havefor you.
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Just be nice to everybody.
I don't know, don't?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
call the police if you see an alien.
Don't call the police.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
And if somebody does fucking say that they saw a
spaceship, don't be mean to themabsolutely not shit, or we'll
ridicule you yeah, bitches, allright, we gotta go.
I'm fucking delusional.
I love you guys.
Zach loves you guys.
Do all the things that we askall the time.
The most important thing youcan do for us is to creepy real
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Speaker 2 (44:28):
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Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the podcast, where
we tell you creepy, odd, weird,strange, bizarre and also
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around the world wow, well, I amyour curator, kara, and this is
my.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Uh, whatever, he's cool, uh, curator zachary, but
it's his birthday today.
Little birthday, birthday boyZachary.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm old oh please, I shouldn't say that to you, but I
feel old.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You're not making it any better.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm digging a hole over here, fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh well, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right.
Well, when we're recording this, you're not actually old, no no
, no, I'm still young, but forwhen you're listening to this
it's your birthday I'm also, mybirthday is the first day of
spring, so I am channeling ithere.
I've got my sleeveless shirt on, you do, and and I am leaving
in like three days to be inarizona for a week in the
(02:01):
sunlight.
So I'm just trying to manifestwhere my other feelings and
we're in the future.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Last weekend we hung out with Lauren, oh yeah and did
some cool things.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
You might have seen our live from hanging out with
her.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I like the future.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It is so fun.
I feel like sometimes when werecord these, when we're talking
both like present for us andpresent for listeners, we're
like time travelers, dude.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I know we are, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So yeah, Fierce, we know how to travel in time in
our own made up kind of way.
Ok, so update on the customspirit board.
It is ready.
I have been offered pictures ofit but I said no because I want
, the first time that I see it,to see it with my whole eyeballs
.
But my Mothman spirit board.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I forgot about this.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I am so, so excited for this.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't think our listeners know I did.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I said something around Christmas, so my dad's
making me a custom Ouija board,spirit board, that's all Mothman
themed for Christmas and it is.
I saw the concept photo and itwas gorgeous and he was trying
to send me like updates so thatI'm like I don't know pictures,
I just I'm gonna message himright after this and be like can
I have pictures?
Yes, but don't do it, but don'tshare it with me I'm not going
to, I just want to know perfect.
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Uh, what else do you have?
I feel like I don't have toomuch to talk about today um,
well, I guess our event iscoming up soon.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So, again, I hate being that person.
I don't know if there's tickets, obviously, because I don't
know in the future if there is,but if there are, yeah, come
join us.
Come join us.
If there are not, or you justdo not want to come, we don't
care.
That's cool.
Send good vibes because,bitches, I am terrified to host
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Speaker 2 (03:45):
I am scared that I'm gonna not have know how to talk
you're gonna be fine so I needsome good vibes that's the other
thing you could do, listeners,if this wasn't the event for you
, for whatever reason but you dowant to hang out with us let us
know what other kind of eventsyou'd like us to do, and we will
definitely make it happen whatif we don't even do an event?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
what if we just do?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
like a meetup somewhere, yes, okay okay, we
should.
Um, we're gonna get our brainsgoing.
I have, I have some ideas, butI'll talk to you off camera
about it okay.
Yeah, that would be cool cool,but still send us your ideas,
cool, cool.
What else you got before weopen up?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I think that's it.
Uh, thanks, patreon subscribers, thank you, thank you.
Yes, we appreciate you sogreatly.
Do you have a?
What else you got before weopen up?
I think?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
that's it, thanks, patreon subscribers.
Thank you, thank you, yes, weappreciate you so greatly.
Do you have a question?
I do have a question.
Would you call the police ifyou saw a UFO?
No, okay, so follow up to that.
Other than me, who would yourfirst, who would your first call
be to?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
My mom All fair enough, fair enough why would
you look like you thought itwould be for some to somebody
else?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
no, I don't know why, I would have imagined anybody
else, but yeah, uh, it'sdefinitely gonna be your mom,
yeah, so why would you not callthe police?
Uh number one, the shortversion.
I know that could be a verylong answer.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Uh, if you even call the police for normal things
that are normal, they don't doanything.
A lot of the time, too, they'rejust going to be like you're
crazy.
And three, they're just goingto gaslight you into just
believing it's like a spacecraftor, um, a plane or a like
fighter jet or gas swamp gasballs oh, hold on to that,
(05:29):
because this ties back into theswamp gas episode.
I have yet another question foryou oh wow, this is like my last
episode where I had all thequestions for you and it was
unplanned too um.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Have you ever seen the movie close encounters of
the third kind?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
no, you keep telling me I need to watch it oh my god,
you do need to watch it, okayso, hey, actually I have a call
to action.
Can somebody go back and listento every single one of our
episodes and make a list of allof the tv shows and movies that
I'm supposed to watch?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
thank you, oh, don't waste your time doing it.
You can tell her to watch themtill you're blue in the face.
She never will.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, but I want the list.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Don't waste your time , friends.
Please Take it from somebodywho's been doing this job for
years.
By job, I mean trying to makeher watch it, okay, anyways.
So in the movie there's areally famous scene, okay, and
it's an infamous chase wherethere's a bunch of police
cruisers following behind thislike ufo glowing orb, that's
(06:27):
like going down the street andthey're going through crazy
turns at like high speeds andshit.
And today I learned well, nottoday, but today, you are all
gonna learn that that scene isactually inspired by a real
event.
Oh, okay, so I did tell youthere was gonna be a swamp gas
tie-in though.
So if you remember and if youguys have listened to the
(06:49):
michigan ufo episode, we talkedabout um jay allen hynek, the
guy who was originally theskeptic um, who worked for
project blue book in the airforce, but then he, like, over
years of researching it, becamedefinitely not a skeptic and
like one of the best ufologists.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
In history, right, ok .
So he actually comes up with,like the classification system
that's used for the movie CloseEncounters of the Third Kind, oh
, he creates the six kinds ofencounter, ok.
So one is and bear with me, I'mdoing this by memory one is
lights in the sky at night,nocturnal lights.
(07:28):
Two is seeing a ufo during theday okay.
Three is seeing it on like radioor um oh yeah, yeah, satellite
yeah four, five and six are thenclose encounters of the first
kind, which would be the nightlights, close encounters of the
daylight or close encounter ofthe satellite image.
So that's the six kinds of ufo.
(07:48):
Okay, um, so anyways.
Obviously then alan hynek's orjay allen hynek's research gives
names to that movie.
He is gonna come back up laterin this episode, though, which
is why I wanted to remindeverybody who he was.
Okay, so 48 is when he kind ofstarts getting involved with
blue book.
By 53 he starts to like sort ofchange his mind.
(08:10):
In the 60s he's like full-blownbeliever, and by the 70s he's
like screw what the governmenttold everybody.
Everything was cool okay okay,the infamous.
Okay, okay.
The infamous case that inspiredthat scene goes back to 1966,
and it's around 5 am on April17th just east of Akron, ohio,
(08:34):
in Portage County, and it's asuper cold night but the sky is
very clear, so you know there'slike crisp April nights where
it's just all the stars are out,not a cloud.
Deputy Sheriff Dale F Spauer ison patrol with his partner,
wilbur, or Barney Neff.
I always love, by the way, whenthey shorten somebody's name.
(08:57):
It's the same amount ofsyllables.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Or like how Jack is somehow the nickname for John.
I will never get it.
It is yeah, yeah, like John FKennedy.
They call them Jack all thetime.
I had an Uncle Jack.
His name was John I don't getit.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I don't understand how you get what.
What was Barney from Wilbur?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, once again, our favorite answer We'll never
know, although that one I'm surewe could Google.
Okay, so Spauer at the timehe's 35.
He's been with the force forlike two years, happily married,
father of two kids.
So he works as a night deputyand then he does construction
during the day.
He's busy.
He was also an Air Forceveteran of the Korean War.
(09:40):
Yeah, he's busy, but he's likean upstanding dude.
Veteran construction police.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What year is this?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
again 66, 66, okay yeah, his partner on this night
is barney neff, 26.
He's a mechanic by trade whovolunteers his time on the
weekend to assist assist thesheriff on the night shift.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Assess the sheriff.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That's a hard sentence to say.
Neff also served in the Navy.
He worked at or worked inmissile tracking at Cape
Canaveral, so he's also a prettyoutstanding guy too.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
So they know though what.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, they know things in the sky.
They know, yeah, they're smartand, like I said, usually at
least in the 60s cops andveterans pretty darn trustworthy
.
I'm going to rephrase that Atleast in the 60s cops pretty
darn trustworthy.
I still think veterans aretrustworthy car they've had sort
of a busy night, they'veinvestigated a crash, they've
(10:40):
delivered coffee to linemen whoare working late shut the fuck
up, that's assisted a strandedmotorist, and that's all just
since midnight.
So between midnight and 5 amcrazy evening, I know, wow.
So as they're driving, theyhear some chatter on the radio
about a woman who called intothe police station regarding
(11:02):
some strange lights in the skynear akron.
So one of them in the patrolcar jokes about it's probably a
prank, while the other onestates, well, maybe they're just
seeing the planet venus, whichon this night is like super
clear and bright.
Um, it's actually brighter thanthe north star.
So, like you know they're, theytalked about it, they kind of
laughed it off, they didn't givethis another thought this is
(11:24):
sounding familiar, but I feellike all cases like this I know
like the exact same, like start,it's wild oh, it's the same.
We ignore, yeah, the crazyperson who called in about the
light.
Um, so, as they're drivingalong, they notice an abandoned
ford vehicle.
So they're like, well, weshould check it out, because,
like, what else are they doingin the, the middle of Ohio, in
the middle of the night?
(11:44):
So, spauer, he gets out, hechecks the driver's side,
notices the vehicle is empty.
Neff is waiting near the rear,in case you know some sort of
altercation breaks out.
Spauer takes his flashlight andhe's like looking in the car
just to see if he can see.
You know anybody, maybesleeping in the back or like,
yeah, anything.
Neff goes sleeping back or like, yeah, anything, nef goes, wow,
(12:07):
man, venus is really brighttonight, kind of looking off.
Oh yeah, that's when they bothnoticed something a little bit
strange about venus way up therein space, because nef looks at
it again and realizes that itjust moved really quickly uh,
yeah, nanny, he kind of brushesit off.
You know it's it's early in themorning, but then they both
notice that venus is gettinglarger and larger and closer and
closer.
Oh my god something ain't right,something ain't right about
(12:32):
venus.
Uh, maybe because it's not so.
Anyways, they're like totallyfocused on this now, right, and
it's gotten so close that it'slike coming just over the
treetops as it moves from eastto west.
What would you do?
I don't know.
Like because this is you know.
They're on a car right off thehighway.
They've seen this thing way offand all of a sudden, in moments
(12:52):
, it's now like hovering closeto them at 300 feet off the
ground.
Yeah, both of them are tryingto like squint and get their
eyes to focus.
It's giving off this reallystrong, like bluish white light.
They said almost like kind oflike an arc welder, okay.
And then the there's like aspotlight underneath it that's
illuminated in the groundbrighter than like any moonlight
(13:15):
would even be.
So it's like this thing isbright, okay.
So they're, they're stillstaring at it, they.
They figure it's about 35 to 45feet across, 15 to 25 feet tall
and it's making a low, steady,humming noise, sort of like an
electrical transformer.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I know we've talked about it so many times I think,
like in Batsquatch episode, no,you can't.
I can't look up at something orlook in a distance and be like
I think that that's a seven to10 feet and 45 inches in
diameter.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
They do the best they can.
I will say in their case likeother people give descriptions
and it matches almost perfectly.
Ok so, but they're doing theirbest to like no, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But you know what I'm saying?
Like oh yeah, if you were tosee a low flying plane, you
would have no idea what thedimensions.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
A guesstimate would be no, no, we would literally
just do it in like comparison,like that's as big as a, a cyber
truck we wouldn't be giving itin feet, in centimeters and shit
.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So it just blows my mind that all these people do
this and all these like it'scrazy.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So, anyways, they're like staring at it, they're
frozen in fear and then,thankfully, their cop instincts
kick in, mostly because thespotlight under this thing is
now like coming right towardsthem and they block it back to
the cruiser and they immediatelystart to remember the prank
call from earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Right, so yeah, because they stopped to just
look at the car that happened tobe on the side.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Okay, yeah, duh so it's now 507.
When they call the radiooperator, uh, robert wilson, and
wilson, notes, takes note ofspauer's report and the
directive comes through rightfrom wilson.
He says just go shoot it down.
Thankfully, sergeant HenrySchoenfeld, who is also at the
station overhearing this, thathold on we cannot shoot this
(15:11):
down.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's the worst directive.
Such 60s way of thinking what.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I know he goes.
It could be a weather balloon,he goes.
Can you guys just take somepictures of it?
But they don't have a camera.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It could be yeah, okay okay.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So finally a direction comes through that
makes any sort of sense.
He says, okay, just keep theobject in sight while we come up
with a plan.
Basically, if you need topursue it, pursue, just follow
this thing that we don't knowwhat it is.
So, nephenspar, do just that,not a moment.
After that, this craft moves abit east, a bit higher, and then
(15:45):
starts to pick up speed andjust starts flying.
Okay, but it is going rightover the highway that they just
pulled off of.
Spauer is driving as fast as hecan, neff is.
He's got his face like glued tothe windshield to not lose
sight of it.
Okay, they're on the radio.
They're starting to like try togive a better description.
They say it's almost like eggshaped, with the depression in
(16:07):
the top portion of it, with likean antenna coming out of there.
Okay, and then below it itlooks conical, but it's really
just a cone-shaped light comingdown.
Okay, so they're saying thatit's moving about 300 feet off
the ground.
And now this one I will givethem credit for that is moving
at 85 miles an hour, and theyknow this because they are going
(16:28):
85 miles an hour to track it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
OK, well, yeah, that makes sense, because it's
obvious.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
This thing is still like it's kind of darting left
to right.
It's flying down the road butstaying like directly over the
highway.
They said it felt almost as iflike it wasn't trying to get
away from them, but almostplaying like cat and mouse, like
it was kind of like messingwith them.
Yeah, like it was totallyplaying with them.
So they're, they're still goingright.
They're coming up on Atwater,ohio, then into Deerfield.
(16:57):
Object now had like lost themfor a little bit.
They thought they got lost andall of a sudden it like pops up,
like as if it was waiting forthem.
Ok, so it plays this gamethrough Canfield Village into
East Palestine, ohio, and nowit's getting near the
Pennsylvania border.
So they're going like adistance.
Wow, up ahead in Pennsylvania,patrolman Wayne Huston.
(17:20):
He is 32.
He's sitting in his patrol carand he's hearing the radio
chatter because back in the 60s,like not every station had
different frequencies.
They all just kind of basicallyshared one and if they got
close enough to each other theycould pick up each other's calls
.
So he's, he's there listeningto everything.
(17:40):
He's kind of getting a littlebit excited.
He realizes they're heading hisway.
Also, he's been on the forcefor six years, also a veteran,
and was contender for chief.
I just want to make sure wehave backstory for all these
guys.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Okay, sorry, I just had to look something up because
ever since you described theway it looked, I was trying to.
I'm like okay, so you said thiswas in 66?
Because the Flintstones cameout in like the 60s and the
great gazoo is the alien inthere.
Yeah, and that's exactly whathis little spaceship looks like.
It's like a little egg, alittle egg with uh, okay, yeah,
(18:15):
I just had to.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Similar in my brain.
Similar, okay, um.
Imagine it more, though, likeif the back of his ship, instead
of being being totally conical,had a depression, and that's
where the antenna was coming outof, and then you have that
perfect beam coming down.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, I just had him in my head.
I'm like I've got to look thisup.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, no, it's not totally far off.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was like, okay, so if that, because, yeah, if that
came out like the 60s I don'tknow what episode he came into.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Like what episode he came into, like, are people it
could be?
I mean, you know what I mean?
I'm just 50s and 60s was hugefor uf, yeah, yeah yeah, that's
when we also have um, oh my god,why am I?
Okay, sorry, okay, so, anyways,yeah.
So huston, right, he'slistening in.
He realizes he's like justahead of the action and then all
of a sudden he looks up andgoes oh shit, I can see it.
He sees the object about fivemiles away and it's coming right
towards him that's so crazyright, so just like within five
(19:14):
minutes, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And now this is at what time.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So this is still between five and six in the
morning.
Oh this is crazy, yeah, thiswhole thing happens over an hour
and a half.
Okay, so he, like object, goespast him in the sky.
He says it's about 85 miles anhour at 900 feet.
Okay, okay, he gives a similardescription, though so his
(19:39):
description now.
Mind you, when everyone givestheir descriptions, they're not
together.
He says it looks like an icecream cone that had started to
melt at the top.
So again, oh, okay, yeah divotwith the conical light coming
down.
Okay, so the object goes pasthim.
And then all of a sudden,spauer and neff fly right past
him and he just joins.
(19:59):
He's like, okay, whatever,we're on the same radio, I'm
helping you guys.
So now we have three officersin two cars part of this so bad.
I know going at high speedsthere's like started in ohio.
They just crossed intopennsylvania, okay wait, I'm
sorry, little little.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Uh.
Extraterrestrials in thespaceship are like these fucking
bozos.
They're like why are they?
They're never gonna get us like.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
They're just fucking around they're having the time
of their lives.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I love this oh my god , I wish we had the footage of
the inside of the.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I know so this is where it gets fun, though right,
because now they're inpennsylvania and the highway is
now sort of back roads.
Okay, oh, huston is givingdirections over the radio to the
lead car, which has neff andspauer in it, so that they can
keep up with the object asthey're going through these back
(20:54):
roads and like hills and curvesright still like they tap out a
couple times over 100 miles anhour.
These are 66 patrol cars allright.
Yeah, we gotta remember that nowremember it's like six in the
morning yeah, so they also startto lose the object because they
get stuck in slow movingmorning church traffic.
(21:15):
Oh church traffic, oh god yeah.
So they come into Rochester, pa.
They're about to give up and gohome.
The sun is starting to come up.
They lost the object and all ofa sudden it pops up over a
hilltop again, as if it hadstopped and waited for the final
, it did.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This is so funny.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So they chase it through Conway, pa, where
another patrolman, frankPansanella, age 33, he's
standing beside his patrol carAgain, a veteran.
Okay, this is so funny.
It's early morning and he'slooking at this guy like what is
that?
He's rubbing his eyes, lookingagain, you know, trying to make
(21:52):
sense of whatever he's seeing inthe sky.
Now he describes the object ashalf a football with a dent in
it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hey Arnold.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Which is the same exact definition or description,
except for the fact the sun'scoming up, so now he can't see
the cone-shaped light underneathit, right, okay.
He's on a different frequency,though, than everyone else,
because they've traveled so farnow, so he hasn't heard the
radio chatter, so he's likestaring up at this thing, right
fuck.
Then he starts to see threepolice officers in two cars one
(22:26):
ohio, one pa funny flying pasthim and he's like what the fuck,
what the hell?
So they fly past him and thenstop ahead and turn around and
they like roll down theirwindows like did you see it?
And he's like see what?
And they just point to theobject and go that.
And then panzanella's like ohyeah, I've been watching that
for like a half an hour becausehe's been watching it.
(22:47):
Come right, he gets on theradio to let rochester pa know
what they're observing and sayshey, you need to let the airport
know.
The radio operator comes backand says are you feeling all
right?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
right, exactly, yeah, and panzan.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, and Pantanello, I love this guy.
He's kind of sassy, he goes ifI'm sick.
So are these other three patrolmen.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
If I'm sick, it's a condition going around.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So they kind of started to take him seriously.
They report to the airport andthe Air Force and they decide
that they're going to try toscramble some jets to intercept
the object, because nobodyreally knows what it is.
It's been over an 80 mile chaseat this point.
Ok, this is so fun.
They're all four of them arejust kind of you know, parked
there watching it.
(23:31):
They call it in.
Now it's not moving as quicklyanymore.
It's still moving, but thechase isn't going on anymore.
So why is it going to, you know, run away.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
This is so, so hilarious it's taunting them.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They hear that the jets are closing in.
Oh yeah.
All of a sudden, though, itstarts to slowly rise.
From that 900 feet Gets toabout 3,500 feet.
The jets are getting reallyclose to being like visual range
In a second flies up straightinto the air.
It's gone.
I love this.
So this chase just comes to ascreeching halt after, yeah, 86
(24:06):
total miles they traveled.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So let's talk about the aftermath of this wait, I'm
just thinking that now they'veall got to drive all the way
back home and just be like thislong ass.
Drive home.
For what?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
yeah, yeah, going.
What the hell did we just seethey get back to their stations
and they all report.
They all give super similaraccounts, and so the
descriptions I've been givingyou of how they've been
describing it all come fromtheir reports, which were taken
separately at separate stations,except for neffensbauer, right,
um, and because the air forcewas alerted, of course, who gets
(24:42):
pulled in?
but project blue book I forgotabout now not, uh, jl and hynek,
because this isn't big enoughfor him really.
Um so on friday, april 22nd,major quintanilla jr, who is a
another commander project bluebook, in case I haven't said it,
project blue book is the airforce project.
That Major Quintanilla Jr, whois another commander of Project
Blue Book, in case I haven'tsaid it, project Blue Book is
(25:03):
the Air Force project that wasstudying UFO UAP.
So he states, after heinterviewed all the officers and
everything else, the objectNeff and Huston and Spauer
chased across two states thatPantanilla also watched was in
fact fact the planet venus.
To explain the object'smovement across the sky, major
(25:26):
quintanilla insists that theofficers first saw an echo
communication satellite that wascrossing the northwest.
Then they unknowingly refocusedon venus rising in the
southeast.
Sure, most people didn't buythis, especially since we had
that call from before, but therewas tons of other eyewitnesses,
I forgot about that lady.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What did she say exactly?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Strange lights in the sky.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Strange lights Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, but there's a bunch of people between Ohio and
Pennsylvania who also witnessedthis thing.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh well, yeah, I guess they would right.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So then we get the typical right.
It was a weather balloon.
So that's what some of the newsreports and other people are
saying who, don't, you know, buyinto Project Blue Book but
they're not ready to say UFO.
But this was, like reallyquickly discredited because
there's enough weather reportsthat night to show that if it
was at anywhere from this 900 to3500 feet, there wasn't enough
wind to move it at those speedsyeah.
(26:23):
But the damage is already doneby these stories and our
officers start getting publiclyridiculed for chasing a UFO.
You know everyone's right.
It was a satellite dude Likeyou're really going to be able
to protect us, Sheriff Spauer,he, he was the lead of him and
he kind of takes the brunt ofall the negative attention.
(26:45):
Oh so most of the news storiesand the radio and TV newscasts
and what everyone's writing kindof paint this picture.
Him is just this crazy UFOchase guy and he led all these
officers on yeah but OK,whatever Continue.
Spauer was usually like somebodywho really was cool, calm and
collected and he just keptsaying I had never seen anything
(27:07):
like this.
He was really worried peoplewouldn't believe him and think
he was lying.
Neff also describes hisreaction to an identified object
.
He said he's not afraid of itmore, that he was at peace with
it.
He said it didn't really shakeme up or bother me half as much
as it did Dale Spauer, which Ithink was kind of an unnecessary
dig.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think that's something that gives proof,
though, that Spauer really isn'tmaking this up.
Like I said, he's usuallyreally calm and collected.
If he was lying he'd probablystay pretty similar, but we
actually have a quote from hiswife at the time.
He came home that day and Inever saw him more frightened.
He acted strange listless.
He just sat around.
He was very pale.
All sorts of people came to thehouse investigators, reporters.
(27:53):
They kept him up all night.
They kept after him, houndinghim.
They hounded him right into theground and he changed.
That's so awful.
Then later he got real nervousand he started to run away.
He just disappeared.
For days and days I wouldn'tsee him.
Our marriage fell apart, ohshit.
So kind of soon after.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh sorry no, I'm just thinking because that comment,
what did he say?
What was that comment?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
spowers or nafs nafs uh, he said that he wasn't too
afraid, that he was at peacewith it, but it didn't shake me
up or bother me half as much asit did dale I think that like
okay, hearing that comment, likeyou said, that is like a dig
and that's like unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
But I'm the biggest, the biggest I just put my foot
in my mouth type of person whereI say things like that, where
it's like that's not how Iintended it to be, like he might
have just been trying to be,like I wasn't as like shaken up
or like, but the way it's saidis the way it's said is poor.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What I think he was doing is really close to what
you were saying, where, like hedidn't mean to put his foot in
his mouth, I think he was tryingto bury what he was going
through.
Yeah, by saying it didn't shakeme up, but then showing that it
shook Dale up kind of givestruth to it happening.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Exactly, I don't think it.
It doesn't, to me at least.
It sounds like something stupidthat I would say, and then
later I'd call you and be like Iknow I shouldn't have said this
, but but soon after the quotefrom Dale Spauer's wife.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's so sad.
He comes home afterdisappearing again, he gets into
an argument with her, grabs herby the arm and shakes her, but
does it hard enough to leavebruises, which is not good.
We don't condone.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Where was he going?
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No idea, he's probably just driving around.
She presses charges, he's takento jail, they take his badge
and she files for a divorce.
So I'm spower's.
Life completely falls apart, um, and this is why we don't
really know where he's going.
They have tried so many timesto get interviews to do anything
and he just shut it down.
He actually, he, his story getsreally sad.
(30:01):
He kind of bounces around fromjob to job and place to place
and is just shut it down.
He actually, he, his story getsreally sad.
He kind of bounces around fromjob to job and place to place
and is just really lost until hedoes end up remarrying.
Okay, he moves to west virginianear new river gorge, um, and
they kind of have a happy endingrunning a bar together, which
new river gorge in west virginiais where I went last year and I
can tell you it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You should have went to his bar.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I know, oh, it's closed.
I did look that up when I sawthis Darn Going back to Neff.
Right, we know Neff tried todownplay everything, but again
the wife comes in.
His wife also gives a quotethat Leave it to the wives Gives
a little insight.
Oh, leave it to the wives Givesa little insight.
Oh yeah, they sold these guysright out.
(30:42):
So she says I hope I neveragain see him like he was after
the chase.
He was real white, almost in astate of shock.
It was awful, and people madefun of him afterwards.
He never talks about it anymore.
Once he told me if that thinglanded in my backyard, I
wouldn't tell a soul.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Here's what's unfortunate, because you and I
wouldn't call the police if wethought we saw a unidentified
object, a ufo, whatever we'recalling them nowadays.
You and I wouldn't.
But they were officers, likethey were literally just doing
their job and they werereporting their job and they
were doing as they were told,absolutely so.
(31:21):
To be then ridiculed and madefun of mocks, whatever, is just
really.
It's disturbing, but it's justlike really fucked up to me and
it's really sad that, like thereare so many people that just
cannot handle that type ofridicule and mockery.
And I don't know if I could,but I'm just because I've never
had to put myself in thatposition or I've never been in
(31:42):
that position and I don't evenknow how to put my shoes in or
you know what the fuck I'mtrying to say.
But that's just like it's reallysad, because you do hear a lot
of times like any sort oftraumatic event or things like
that.
It does it.
You know it ruins yourrelationships, it ruins your,
your, your, almost like yourbrain chemistry.
I know that's probably notright, but like like he wasn't a
(32:03):
violent person for them, to him, to them put his hands on his
wife, for her to press chargesand file for divorce.
That's like you know.
Like all these out of character.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You have to think about everything he's going
through.
Like you said, he did what hewas being told.
Nobody believes him.
Now he's being ridiculed.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You know this is a man, a family man, who served
his country, who served his,then goes on to serve his
community so it's crazy to me,though, because you would think
that those two would kind ofjust band together and be like
hey, whatever way they wanted toplay it.
Like hey, I guess we don't knowwhat it was like, we were doing
what we were told, and that'sthat like whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Like, I think, because both of them kind of
took the stance of we're nottalking about it at all anymore,
you can't.
If you're gonna just kind ofbury it, you can't band together
I guess I mean like at first,yeah, like right away.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Like I, they did at first because when they were
being interviewed by projectblue book, both of them were
super cooperative, telling thewhole story.
Right, it wasn't until theywere diminished by the air force
.
Yeah, with this bullshit story,because, like, they're trusted
members of their community.
And then all of a sudden, theair force is coming out and
saying they got a satelliteconfused with a planet and
(33:16):
thought it was an alien.
Like you know, you have toalmost put it in the fact of
like the community members,right, is that?
Who you want showing up to yourmurder or your accident is
somebody who doesn't know aplanet from a alien.
I, I think that's where some ofthe spirals happen in their
brains, you know?
Yeah, so then we have mr hust.
(33:37):
He was the third one to join in, remember?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So after weeks of public ridicule on his end and
he's facing the anger of thepolice chief because remember I
told you he was a contender forthe police chief oh yeah yeah,
the guy who got it was his enemyand looked for any way.
So now this guy's just shittingall over him.
Yeah, and Huston ends upquitting as well.
(34:04):
The only one who remains a copis panzanella.
He doesn't speak about thatnight again, hardly ever denies
every request for an interview.
You know he didn't chase it.
So I think that like that'spart of why huston was fired too
.
Or ends up quitting becausethey're like you went into
another state with off, or youwent in our state with officers
from another state.
Nobody gave you this, Like youjust kind of went rogue.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I mean, I guess I do understand that part of it, like
that's not really yourjurisdiction or whatever, like I
guess I get that, like I willsay this, and this, I think, is
one of the things that helpsmake me trust everything they
went through.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You already believe it anyway.
Yeah, couldn't stop right here.
This is one of those stories.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think that there, there's just not a way for me to
disbelieve by any first off,there's less actual evidence of
the things that they're claimingthat it is than anything else
you.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You know what I mean.
Just say it's an unidentifiedobject.
I think the Air Force I don'tthink they know as much as we
think they know right, all theUFO reports.
I think they're just they'rebetter, they're like hey,
instead of telling the public wedon't know what this is, we're
just going to explain it off assomething normal.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Are you talking now or then?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Or, in general, I'm not saying they don't know
nothing, I'm just saying I don'tthink they know as much as we
give them credit, both now andthen, because if they were able
to explain it fully, we would,they would have disclosed Well,
parts of it, you know.
Anyways, I still think theyknow way more than they're ever
letting on, but they don'tunderstand it fully.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, maybe you're right that way.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah.
The part, though, that makes metrust them more than anything
is that the three officers Neff,Spauer and Huston they never
once deny or take back the story.
They gave their reports, theywere ridiculed, they went silent
, but they never, ever say thisdid not happen, which would be
so easy to do if you've alreadylost everything.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I guess here's my thought, though I get where
you're coming from with that,but if I've already lost
absolutely everything, whatwould the point, what would it
benefit me for to go back and belike, yeah, never mind, I was
lying.
Well, if you were making it up,why would you?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
if you were making it up, you would have came clean
almost right when the publicridicule started.
If you're not making it up, totake it that far, yeah, because
what?
What do they have to gain?
If they were, you know what Imean anyways.
Where, where are you at on thisone?
Do you even have to ask me I'm,I just fucking did, yeah, but
like come on, okay, so so youbelieve that happened yeah okay.
(36:36):
So I told you that hynek wascoming back into this and you're
probably like where is he?
Quintanilla and Hynek, bothvery high up in Project Blue
Book, both fucking hate, eachother.
Okay, because Quintanilla thinksthat Mr Astronomy Science Hynek
over here is not explainingaway enough things, away enough
(37:05):
things, and hynek is like thisdude's trying to say that
everything is a gas or asatellite or a planet, like they
, they both think that the otherone's approaches to explanation
, disclosure, are justcompletely wrong.
Okay, and remember, in the 60s,this is our hynex, like bought
in at this point.
Right, hynek has his assistant,right?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I just have to ask.
I think I got a little bit lost.
Okay, so, hynek, and then who'sthe other person?
Quintanilla, but I thought hedid believe it.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
No, Quintanilla is the general from Project Blue
Book who came down andinterviewed everyone and then
said it was a satellite.
What the fuck was the?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
other guy that like woke up and just looked outside
and saw it.
What was his name?
Panzanilla, panzanilla.
Okay, I was like wait, are youfucking with me right now?
Okay, okay, okay, fucking withyou right now, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So these two, hynek and Quintanilla, are from
Project Blue Bull Got you.
I got you they both go andinvestigate UFOs.
They just both go completelyopposite, Quintanilla.
It's always explainable, Hynek.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Quintanilla and Tanzarella.
I got a little.
I'm like wait, I thought he didbelieve.
What are you talking about?
Okay, I got you.
Now I got you thought he didbelieve.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
What are you talking about?
Okay, I got you.
Now I got you.
It's some time after, so theofficial report's already out.
Heineck can't do anything aboutit.
But what he can do is have hisassistant send letters to huston
, neff and spauer.
Oh and okay.
His letter says I found outconsiderably more about this
event uh, about this event thanthe air force investigator did.
Because I can, or because ofthat I cannot, agree with the
(38:31):
evaluation publicly released afew days after the sighting.
What you have reported couldnot possibly lead to such a
conclusion.
And then, in parentheses, theVenus explanation.
I was not consulted before thisnews release was put forth.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
So because I you know , Alan works for Project Blue
Book and the Air Force, but he'snot a member of the Air Force,
he's a scientist.
Quintanilla is a general of theAir Force, right?
So he can't come out and justsay, hey, this other guy's
report is wrong, but he can sendthe letter.
No-transcript chase.
(39:36):
That inspired the scene inclose encounter to the third
kind I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm upset, why?
Because I feel like it was sucha it's listen, you did great,
but it was so fun.
Like it was such a funbeginning.
I'm like this is great, likelet's just chase this, like like
we're playing a game.
I love it.
Like this is fun.
And then everyone's lives gotruined, yeah, and then it's like
for what?
For what?
a game, a cat and mouse likethat there are so many worse
(40:09):
things that people do and did inthe 60s that you.
They should have been ridiculedfor doing your job and
following an object floating inthe air.
It's just not one of them.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
No, it's um.
It's an interesting story,though I think no.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I love it, but it's just sad.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Why was so much of this happening?
This is the same sort of flaparea West Virginia, ohio,
pennsylvania where all this wasall happening for so long.
I need to know more, becauseyou and I and I'm not going to
go into a long spiel on this butyou and I both agree that most
times what we're seeing is UFOor UAP, unidentified aerial
phenomenon, or probably notaliens from other planets.
(40:52):
But what was going on at thattime?
I just like I want to, if Icould go back in time for real
and be a time traveler, I'mgoing to the flat.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Although I would show up and they'd probably think I
was part of it.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So For sure, for sure , Although I would show up and
they'd probably think I was partof it, so I don't know if
that'd be the greatest thing Iwant to show you.
I got new earrings.
Did I show them to you when youwere here?
They're little aliens.
Oh no, let me see.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Are you wearing them right now?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
No, I should have and I thought about it.
Hold on, okay.
Okay, one's a little alien,cute dude.
You know where I found theseclaire's meyer?
I'm telling you, dude meyer,stepped up their game on that
shit, though I'm like they'rethey're clothes and everything
(41:36):
so cute and they're on littlechains, so dorbs.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Okay, sorry, no, you're good I have.
So I appreciate you leaving uswith something light, but after
your darkness last week, Iplanned a light thing.
So do you want to hear a cutestory about close encounters of
the third kind?
Yeah, do you know who watchesthis on most of their
anniversaries every year?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
the parental units oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
So when they first started dating, mom calls my dad
and says hey, oh god, will yougo with me to a halloween party?
And he's like yeah, sure shegoes.
Okay, are they?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
actually official or they're still like.
Ok, they're like dating.
You know it's fairly early on.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
And mom goes OK, but you have to.
You know, like ask your dad.
My dad's like why do I have toask my parents?
She was because we're going toToronto.
So mom takes them to this,apparently like crazy Halloween
party in Toronto.
They have a great time.
They get a hotel room.
I think your mom told me thisin the hotel.
Yeah, they watched.
It was like one of their firstreal dates ever.
(42:34):
They watch close encounters ofthe third kind together.
So now like they'll like watchit when they want to have like
little sappy date nights andstuff.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It's so cute and I did ask for their permission to
to share that.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That is so cute.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's what I've got for you, right?
Ok, good job.
Emojis for this one Police carand flying saucer.
Duh, it's an easy one for sure,Wow.
And also, if you made it thisfar to Echo Cara from last week,
we would absolutely love it ifyou would leave us a review or
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Call in, write in whatever youwant to do and what else should
we do so, we can close the shopup.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
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Please just share.
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Share us with your friends andfamily, your weirdos.
Um, we're just, we're workinghard and we want the more growth
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You know, we want to do somecool things and, um, yeah, let's
put our brains together and tryto do a meetup and so, if you
guys can think of cool thingslike that, message us, dm us,
all those kind of things andlet's make some oddball moments,
some oddball memories, if youwill.
Okay, that's really all I havefor you.
(43:59):
Just be nice to everybody.
I don't know, don't?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
call the police if you see an alien.
Don't call the police.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
And if somebody does fucking say that they saw a
spaceship, don't be mean to themabsolutely not shit, or we'll
ridicule you yeah, bitches, allright, we gotta go.
I'm fucking delusional.
I love you guys.
Zach loves you guys.
Do all the things that we askall the time.
The most important thing youcan do for us is to creepy real
yab balls, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
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