April 17, 2025 • 53 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Zach, As promised has the solved tale of the Identity of Jack The Ripper
The mystery that has perplexed investigators and captivated true crime enthusiasts for over a century has finally been solved. Jack the Ripper, the shadowy figure who terrorized London's Whitechapel district in 1888, now has a name backed by science: Aaron Kosminski.
We journey through the fog-covered streets of Victorian London, where five women—Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherine Eddowes, and Mary Jane Kelly—met their brutal ends at the hands of a killer with surgical precision.
We travel forward to the breakthrough that came when researcher Russell Edwards acquired a blood-stained shawl found near victim Catherine Eddowes. After years of forensic testing, mitochondrial DNA analysis in 2019 matched genetic material on the shawl to living descendants of Aaron Kosminski, a Polish barber who had been among the original suspects!
References:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper
- https://xaviernewswire.com/2025/02/25/ripping-up-the-truth-how-detectives-finally-found-jack-the-ripper/
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14234461/Descendants-Jack-Rippers-victims-DNA-breakthrough.html
- https://nypost.com/2025/02/15/world-news/jack-the-rippers-identity-revealed-after-dna-breakthrough-historian/
- https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/ripper_jack_the.shtml#:~:text=Between%20August%20and%20November%201888,took%20place%20on%2031%20August.
- https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jack-the-Ripper
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
bathed in the moonlight at theID shop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theOddity Shop.
(00:25):
What's up, you little oddballs?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the podcast, where
we tell you creepy, odd, weird,strange, bizarre stories from
around the globe.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm your curator, kara, and this is my wonderful
gay curator, zachary, and theonly reason I'm saying that is
because his shirt says, ofcourse, I'm gay.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
OK, well, you're calling me out, ok, so I had to
wear this day.
So this is fun.
It actually says of course I'mgay, I went to Catholic school
and then it has a littleCatholic school on here.
Of course I'm gay, I went toCatholic school and then it has
a little Catholic school on here.
This is very fun.
I had so much to do yesterdayand I checked the mail and I had
this shirt in my mailbox withno information on who it was
(01:15):
from.
So, of course, instead of doingso he calls me.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh yeah, so I get a call.
I'm on the phone with my mom,so I don't answer he calls.
Again I had to say I'm on thephone with mom and he's like did
you send me a?
Shirt no.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I like I can't focus on anything else.
I have to get to the bottom ofthe mystery.
I posted it on Facebook, Idon't know why I didn't figure
it out, but I should have askedChelsea sooner.
And I so I text her and I godid you send me a T-shirt?
And her response is depends onif it made you chuckle or not.
(01:47):
Ah, that's so good.
So I said I'm crying, laughing,um, I said but also, this
mystery is so fun, but I have somany things to do.
She goes yes, it was me.
The algorithm blessed me onthat one, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh god, we were.
We were talking on the phone,we were trying to figure out who
it was.
We like there was differentclues from different reasons.
I'm not gonna go like could,could it be this person?
It wouldn't be this person Likewe had all this like mapped out
, like one of those what's itcalled Like, with the pictures
and the string.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
One of my top suspects was Megan from South
Dakota.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And I'm like I almost texted her she commented on
Facebook.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
She's like this is totally something I would do,
but it's not me.
I'm like I almost asked yougirl, oh, so funny.
Oh, my god, anyway, so that wasfun.
That's your new thing, that'smy new thing, and that's about
all that I've got, except forI'm starting to get the spring
cleaning vibes and starting tolike I haven't started it yet,
but I'm starting to likesurprised plan out the order of
(02:40):
things so for those that don'tknow, if you haven't been here
long enough, zachary does hisspring cleaning and he does a
room in his house a day.
Usually I try to get it done ina day and I do a couple in a
week.
Now, last year I didn't, youwent crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
No, two years ago I went crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Last year I was well spring last year different for
different reasons.
So this year I need to do likea double clean and I'm really
excited.
So that's my boring life whichis very nice.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's like a good feeling.
All right, the only thing thatI have before we open up the
shop is just, it's hilarious.
We've been sent it a milliontimes uh, allegedly, but it's
proven that she was trying tohire a hitman, or did hire a
(03:31):
hitman actually, because shegave a deposit to have him
killed, which is not funny.
It is not funny, but what thehell?
And so zach's like I haven'teven really read up on it.
So the gist of it, for thosethat don't know, is that I don't
know how, but she somehow gotin contact with an inmate and a
(03:51):
phone got smuggled to thisinmate.
So they were texting back andforth, which hello rookie move.
Basically, that she was tellingghost adventurers like their
filming schedule when he wasgoing to be there, what hours
where.
Like their filming schedulewhen he was going to be there,
what hours where.
Um, so all this stuff, uh, atone text message was something
like he's home alone, sleeping,like I need confirmation that
(04:12):
it's been done.
Is it done yet?
Like yeah.
So the phone ended up gettingconfiscated by one of the um
correctional officers orsomebody there, which is like
girl the hell is wrong with you.
And then one of the texts waseven like.
This is not verbatim, but itwas something like am I stupid
or am I foolish for wanting tohave him murdered instead of
(04:36):
just divorcing him?
Here's yes, yes you are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Here's the thing had she gone through with it, that
murder would have been solved soquickly, because that man knows
how to use paranormal equipment.
Okay, all you'd have to do isset up one spirit box and you
would know everything.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Aaron, are you there Exactly, aaron.
Aaron, are you there, right,right Not?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, Can you imagine .
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Anyway that's just something funny that we have to
talk about that.
That, yeah, I got sent thatarticle a couple times I it is
fun, well, fun.
But you know what I?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
mean, it's just, it's fun because it didn't happen.
She got caught, so it's fun forus to talk about.
What I do think would be coolfor us um, you guys let us know,
especially for our patreonlisteners is to have like mini
episodes of fun stuff like thisthat has to do with this that we
just record like a little thingabout it.
I think that would be fun.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We'll let us know, okay, so real quick, though,
before we open the shop, do youhave anything else?
Nope, okay.
One thing that we need to sayis, if you're listening to this
on the day this comes out andyou bought a ticket to our event
, we are so excited to see youin two days at eloise asylum.
That's number one I'm gonnasweat and number two request of
(05:51):
you guys we need more write-instories.
So write-ins, call-ins I don'tcare if you carry your pigeon it
to me, get us some stories,okay I have one thing really
quick, mar Mariel, are you allright?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Because, girl, I haven't heard from you in a
while.
I actually I was going tomessage her on Patreon, dm her.
But, girl, you good.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know, though, we need to give a shout out to Lisa
on Instagram, because Lisa hasbeen giving us a ton of love.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
She pops off.
Actually, that's so funnybecause, sorry Lisa, that
actually this isn't evencoincidences was on my list of
things to do today was to DM heron Instagram and thank her for
everything.
Yes, she is like an auctioneershe does auction stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh, really Isn't that cool.
That is really cool.
Okay, now we're ready to openthe show.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yes, we are very ready.
Do you have a question for me?
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I do.
Last week you mentioned thatyou got your ancestry results.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, I have yes.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay, did you uncover any murderers?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No, but hold on.
Something just literally felloff the shelf.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Uh-oh, iceman's coming for you.
I don't know what that was, butsomething just fell off the
shelf.
Okay, all right.
So did it uncover any murderersor any?
Mysteries or anything that youknow of.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So sad because I brought.
I had bought a kit for Aunt Pat.
I think I told you that Ibrought it to her on Sunday,
made her spit in that tube, butanyway, that's a whole other
thing.
But I was when we were talking.
I was like I was like I reallywanted to find a murderer.
When we were talking, I waslike I was like I really wanted
to find a murderer, Like I'mrelated to a murderer, Like
somebody was murdered, something, something, something.
(07:29):
No, I didn't find anything likethat.
I mean, obviously I still havesome research to do and the
platform is very weird, but no,Okay so far it's not from there,
all right.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, I want you to keep those things in mind about
how ancestral DNA can solvethings, because a couple weeks
ago I promised you guys a casethat doesn't end in mystery.
You did, I did, okay, okay.
Imagine walking the fog-coveredstreets of London in 1888.
Oh, the gas lamps areflickering, the cobblestones are
(08:01):
slick with rain and you havethe chilling knowledge that a
faceless killer is lurking inthe shadows Kara Okay.
Five women are brutallymurdered, their bodies mutilated
with surgical precision.
The world knew him as Jack theRipper, yes, for many, many
(08:22):
years.
However, now, thanks to somemodern day science, this is one
of the first episodes we can endit with.
We have a solved mysteryinstead of us saying I guess
we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I am so ashamed that I did not know this.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, this is why, when I started seeing the news
articles come around, Iimmediately texted and we never
text each other about episodesalgorithm of anything been.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
how have I not known this?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I, I don't know my eyes are watering but yeah.
So that's why I was likethere's big news kind of
happening right now now and Ican tell you at the end why the
algorithm might not be there,because it is solved.
It just hasn't been accepted bythe right people yet because
it's so new.
So it's solved beyond certainty.
(09:11):
But the Scotland Yard hasn'tconfirmed.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I actually might have heard that, so maybe that's why
I put it out of my brain,because it's fair.
Ok, I'm excited, let's go baby.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Obviously, you know we can't just get into it being
solved.
We got to go through the storyof Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I love this.
I know which is so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's why we're here .
Yeah, come on, be for real, andI know I've been like really
true crime heavy this year, so Ipromise I'll get back to some
other weird stuff after this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
No, I am so happy that you're true crime heavy
this year because you've neverbeen true crime heavy, I know,
and that's what got us into thisthat is true.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I love it all right.
So 1888 in the parish of whitechapel, london, uh, or in the
parish of white chapel, which isin london's east end, is where
our story's starting.
At this time, england has ahuge influx of Irish immigrants
and Jewish refugees and a lot ofpeople coming into town, so
(10:12):
there's a lot of neighborhoodsthat were basically set up as
poor houses, and Whitechapel isone of them.
It becomes insanely overcrowded, leading to 80,000 people being
stuffed into this small area.
On top of the overcrowding,terrible work conditions, hard
to find food.
Very sad, no money, noresources.
(10:34):
Yeah, no, it's really sad Dude.
55% of kids born there diedbefore five years old.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And then, obviously, in places like this, crime,
alcoholism, drug use, all thatkind of stuff.
Okay, we're going to talk aboutpeople's houses, but it's
important to talk about, or whenwe're talking about the houses
that they are rented, basicallynightly, in these poor houses.
So you'd have a common area,you'd have a room, and if you
didn't pay for it daily, you gotkicked out where you could then
(11:02):
pay to sleep against a ropestuck between buildings that you
leaned on, or literally in thestreet.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Which, if you didn't know, that's why it's called a
hangover.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yes, the hangover rope, which is insane.
I actually learned thatyesterday while writing this and
I was like wait, a hangover,yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Because a lot of times you would just like you
know, they would spend theirmoney on booze and they wouldn't
have enough to actually get aroom, so they'd have to hang
over be drunk and hung over,which is so wild, but all in all
it's not a really great placeto be and much of the female
population does turn to sex.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
work to, you know, make ends meet.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Which there's no shame in that there's no shame
in that.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Anyways, though, during the period of like april
3rd 88 to february 13th of 91,there's a large number of
murders.
There's at least 11 femalevictims, and they were
originally just kind of callingthem the white chapel murders
yes now, at first they thoughtthey were all linked to one
person, although six out of the11 seem like they could have
maybe been this Jack the Ripper,but there's not enough evidence
(12:10):
to tie in all 11 of them.
So, since you know 1888, he isreally kind of quote unquote,
charged because nobody was evercharged, because nobody was ever
charged.
But, um, there's the five can,can and not this is a word I can
never say canonical deaths thatare related to him I wish I
(12:31):
could have been the hero to helpyou.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That would have been.
That would have redeemed myself, if I honestly if it makes you
feel better.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I did have to practice that one on uh google
too, and I just canonical.
I can never say okay, soanyways.
So let's get into the fivecanonical victims, the infamous
victims of jack the ripper.
Okay, there were some certaincharacteristics that do lead
investigators to think that itwas all done by him.
(12:58):
Okay, so they were all sexworkers or women living in
extreme poverty.
They all had similar deathinducing injuries, they had all
been mutilated in some way oranother and they were all killed
at night in like super secludedareas.
Oh yeah, it's um, it's a littleheavy, it is, it's a heavy one,
(13:19):
okay.
So the first victim is 43 yearold mold Mary Ann Nichols.
So she lives a pretty toughlife.
Leading up to this, she hadbeen left by her husband who had
an affair with a nurse.
She kind of resorts toaddiction and alcoholism and a
life of sex work to get by.
(13:39):
So she finds herself living inone of the poor houses in
Whitechapel.
Um, so she finds herself livingin one of the poor houses in
Whitechapel and on August 30that 11 pm she's seen walking down
Whitechapel Road.
And this is the crazy thing isall of these people have so many
eyewitnesses.
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, because there's so many people about it's not
right now when it's like late atnight the town is just silent.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's not like that.
Unfortunately, this whole townwas a bunch of people who had
nowhere to stay and nothing todo other than drink all night.
So there was like eyes on allthese women.
Okay, like you said, that's socrazy, it's just crazy.
So she visits a bar and she'sseen returning to her home at
about 1.20 in the morning, butshe's ID'd by the owner and then
(14:28):
she can't cough up the money topay.
So she's put back out on thestreet where she decides she's
going to work for the evening totry to pay for a place to sleep
.
It's just so sad.
So she is last seen alive,drunk and stumbling around 2.30
am where she's offered help butshe refuses.
We don't know what happens toher after 2.30, but around 3.40
(14:53):
am a car man discovers what heinitially thinks is a tarp
laying on the ground in front ofa stable on Buck's Row.
He goes to check it out andrealizes it's the body of Mary
Nichols.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh yeah, so the police are called to investigate
bucks row.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He goes to check it out and realizes it's the body
of mary nichols.
Oh yeah, so the police arecalled to investigate, uh, and
they find that her throat isslit from left to right.
She has deep and precise cutsacross her abdomen with several
incisions, but no major organsare removed I don't even have
words, though, because it's justso sad.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It's like there's witnesses she would, somebody
who's like yeah, offered herhelp.
Oh my god, could you imaginethat being that person that
offered help like what could Ihave actually done to make her
she's.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
She's not the only one, oh, you know, uh, and like
here's the thing is she was seenat two thirty.
She's found an hour later.
He moves fucking fast.
I think that's one of thethings that always shocks me.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, it is shocking, but but then when you think
about it, think of all thepeople that you just said were
there.
How many people are in thesmall area?
You can move fast becausenobody's fucking paying
attention to you, becausethere's so much going on.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
True, true.
So they also know, though, thatthere's not much blood at the
scene, which could be one of twothings Either she was killed
somewhere else or this personhad a lot of medical knowledge
and was able to control thebleeding.
So that's where we start to putthe MO together, that whoever
this killer is might bemedically trained in some way.
Yes, our next victim, so thatwas September 30th or August
(16:26):
30th, the first one, excuse me.
So our second victim is AnnieChapman.
She is 47 when she passes.
She she kind of started young.
She grew up in a family wherealcohol is very common.
She becomes addicted at a youngage.
Her family, though, at onepoint does leave the Whitechapel
neighborhood, but she staysbehind due to having a job as a
(16:47):
domestic servant.
So she does eventually.
Marry has children, but afterthe death of one of those kids
they separate and both parents'alcoholism gets really, really
bad.
I know she finds another man.
He leaves her once herallowance from her first
ex-husband stops coming in.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Allowance.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Because he actually died.
Yeah, and no, it's terribly sad, like her life was tragic.
She's pretty much the way itwas described, is she's left
depressed, with little will tolive?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know if I lived there, if I would have
much will to live.
No, it does.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's just so awful.
It's just bleak.
Yeah, you're literally workingall day to sleep.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
No, truly, you're working to pay for a bed or a
rope or a way out.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So, in a similar manner to our first victim on
September 8th, she has refusedhousing for not being able to
pay.
She goes out on the streets towork.
She leaves her lodge and commonarea around 1.35 am.
She is next seen talking to aman around 5.30 am.
This man is described as tall,over 40, dark hair, shabby, with
(17:59):
a mustache, wearing a felt hatand a long dark coat Our
original images of Jack theRipper.
Just before 6 am, annie Chapmanis found dead in the yard
entrance of 29 Hanbury Street,found by the elderly resident of
the property or the gentlemanwho owned the property.
So she's laying in the doorway.
(18:21):
He notifies police right awayand again her throat is cut
deeply from left to right.
Her abdomen is opened, but thistime her intestines are pulled
out and placed over her rightshoulder.
Her uterus and part of herbladder are removed again
suggesting medical knowledge,and a blood-stained apron is
found nearby.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Okay, so now we have two victims that are pretty
similarly.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, butchered Surgery, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I think you could say butchered.
If it's not you being in ahospital and being because you
need medical attention, I thinkyou could say butchered.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I think that's fair, all right.
So we have August 30th,september 8th.
Our man wastes no time gettingdown to his next one, september
30th.
So we have August 30th,september 8th, our man wastes no
time getting down to his nextone, september 30th.
So we're like literally withina month now, and on this fine
evening he takes not one but twovictims, kara.
So the first is ElizabethStride, 44 at the time of her
(19:21):
death.
She was actually born in Sweden, moves to London in 1866.
Don't really know why, but itsounds like she also had one of
those domestic servant jobslined up.
But she kind of told differentpeople different stories and it
seemed like a lot of peopleended up in Whitechapel if they
didn't really want everyone toknow the rest of their story.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I was going to say I think Whitechapel is kind of
like.
I don't want to say outcast,that's not the right terminology
I'm thinking of, but yeah, kindof like I don't want to say
outcast, that's not the rightterminology I'm thinking of, but
yeah, kind of like you don't.
You don't want to be questionedbecause nobody's going to
question you.
Nobody really gives a crap whatyou're doing there.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
They're all just focused on their own stuff it's
like when you hear that term,like the underbelly of cities,
it's kind of like you know Ihate to call these people all
dark and seedy, but a good chunkof Whitechapel just sounds like
it could be magical andbeautiful, but it's dark, dreary
and disgusting.
Well, it was like there'schurches nearby that set up all
these poor houses.
(20:16):
I mean, the meaning behind itwas great.
It just you know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Places like that always happen.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh yeah, it always happens in places like that, not
too different from like SkidRow.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Exactly that's what I was just trying to think of.
What am I doing?
Skid Row yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So, like other, the other woman, though she was
married, ends up separated livesin a poor house in Whitechapel.
She tells one group of peoplethat her family, like her
husband and kids, died on a boatand she survives.
We don't really know, but we doknow she makes a living through
(20:51):
sewing, house cleaning and sexwork.
On september 30th we know shecleaned a few homes and she
heads to a pub around 6 30 pm.
Then she was seen um with a fewmen that evening.
One described her as being witha man wearing a felt hat and a
long jacket.
That seemed to fit thedescription of our killer and
this was around 11 30 pm.
So he got an early start thisnight because her body is
(21:13):
discovered around 1 am by a clubsteward who's heading home on a
horse-drawn cart yeah, hedidn't waste no time no, no, um,
and like the other ones werelike you know, way earlier in
the morning, he's like, yeah, 11, 30 we're getting out we're
good.
She's found with a single deepthroat, cut from left to right,
surprise, surprise, uh.
In her hands, though, is likebreath, mints and a flower.
(21:35):
It almost seems like she waslike literally like primping, or
getting ready to like take themor not take them, because it's
a man, eat them, um, but thiskind of suggests she was like
really caught off guard.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
But she's not the only one caught off guard in
this one, though do you thinkthat she was caught off guard or
do you think that she was like?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
oh, I think she found her, john.
You know she's probably gettingready to like do whatever.
So you know she's gonna have herlittle flower and then throat
cut.
Oh, now rip.
Different from the other girls,though women different from the
other women is there's a lackof mutilation to her abdomen.
(22:14):
That suggests that the killerwas probably interrupted during
this process and he left to gofind another victim, which he
does that same night.
So our second victim iskatherine edawes, I believe
that's how you say her last nameE-D-D-O-W-E-S.
I trust you.
So she was 46 when she passed.
She was born in rural England.
(22:36):
Her family moves to London.
When she's a baby, she has 11other siblings, oh, and right
after the 11th one, her mom diesof tuberculosis.
Not many years later, herfather dies as well, leaving all
the kids to live in poverty,and she kind of bounced from
family members and from job tojob.
She does have a problem withstealing, though, and keeps
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losing her job and her housingalong the way.
So she takes up drinking, shetakes up a couple odd jobs um,
never keep any long, but shefinds herself doing sex work on
Dorset Street in a part ofWhitechapel known locally as the
Shed.
Yeah, none of these women.
These poor women all had prettyhorrendous lives based on just
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having no other choice, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, yeah, and it's that time they're women.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And I think that's so many of them because divorce
wasn't a big thing like so manyof these women weren't even
divorced, they were justseparated from their husband.
They like kind of shove them tothese.
Oh my god, it's so sad yeah,it's awful uh.
So september 30th, though, sheplans to go visit a family
member to borrow money, sheleaves her friends around 2 pm.
At 8 pm she is seen by a policeofficer, still in white chapel,
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laying drunk on the pavement.
He helps her up.
He takes her into custody tohelp her sober up.
She's released at around 12 30am after being very unpleasant
to these officers who weretrying to help her oh, but were
they actually trying to help her?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
they, I mean, they were just trying to get her.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh, but were they actually trying to help her?
They, I mean, they were justtrying to get her sobered up.
They're like, do you know howto get home?
And she'd be like quit back atthem with like some sarcastic,
mean shit, and then she leavesbut takes off in the way
opposite of her house.
But you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
yeah, police officers weren't that great to women?
No, so I'd be.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I might be sassy as well, well, you're just sassy
when you have a few in youanyway.
So if you were drunk on thepavement, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
In Whitechapel.
Oh, I'd be real sassy All right.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So she takes off to go in the wrong direction and
she's last seen around 135 bythree witnesses.
One of those mentioned she'sstanding with a man in a felt
hat, a mustache and a long coat.
Imagine that she is seen withher hand on his chest.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Oh OK, wrong move girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah.
About an hour later she's foundmurdered, laying on her back
with her head in a coal hole.
Now he must have had a littlebit more time, because her
throat is not only cut, it isshredded left to right down to
her spine.
Her face is mutilated, her earsare cut, her cheeks are slashed
, her eyelids cut and her noseis severed.
Her abdomen he had time.
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Her abdomen was opened.
Her intestines were over hershoulder.
Wait.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I'm so sorry you have to pause.
I am not trying to laugh, butyou sound like that.
Is it like the TikTok sound?
Okay, it's like her legs werecut off.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Her arms were cut off , her eyes were cut out, her
tongue was cut off.
I, when I was writing this lastnight, I was like I think that
TikTok sound is about CatherineAdowes, like I want to find the
source of it because I'm fairlycertain it had to be about her.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I had the same thought I'm not laughing because
it's so sad, but the way thatyou just read it.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's all that her arms were cut off.
Um, anyways, though, her leftkidney and part of her uterus is
removed and that is part of thestory, not the tic-tac and
again, the blood-stained apronis found nearby.
Now, this is one, and Iremember, so I actually got to
do the jack the ripper like tourof all these places where they
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were found, when I was in londonas a kid.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm so jealous.
I mean I am, yeah, I know it'sdisturbing I remember them
talking about this.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So there's anti-semitic graffiti nearby.
That was about like the jewswere creating all the problems
and they always tried tospeculate of if that was jack
the ripper who left the graffitiright by the body, or if that
was just kind of circumstantial.
So I don't know if I've everheard that yeah, but the the
only thing, the reason why Ibring it up is that the cop who
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investigated her cleaned thatgraffiti up so that there
wouldn't be a race riot.
But in doing so, the way, thecleaning and stuff that he used
really fucked up the crime scenego figure.
So we had two, those twoseptember 30th, and then our
final.
Our last victim, and mostbrutal yet, is miss mary jane
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kelly.
No, she doesn't quite fit thesame moature, the MO.
Yes, the stature is different.
So she was young, she was only25, as much as we know, this is
one of the few that there'sreally not many known about her.
She told different male suitorsthat she was born in Ireland,
then moved to Wales as a child,but she told everybody a
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different story, sounded likeshe may have come from a
well-to-do family, and that sheherself was seemed pretty
educated, but she always, like,lied about her age.
So they, they do know shewasn't in her 40s, like the
other.
Their best guess is in hermid-20s, okay, so what we do,
though.
Know, though, is in 1884 shemakes her way to london to work
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again as a domestic servant, butone of her friends introduces
her to brothel work, where shequickly becomes the most popular
girl at her local brothel andends up with a bit of money.
Okay, girl, so she was wearingextravagant clothes and this and
that.
We don't know what happened.
But something happens to herand she turns up penniless,
living in white chapel, and youknow what she does to spend her
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time.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Sex work.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And drinking.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
She does end up staying with a man named Joseph
Barnett and it didn't sound likethey were not.
He was more than a client butless than a relationship.
She still worked, but he wasmore of like a close friend with
benefits is kind of the feelinghe was more of like a close
friend with benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's kind of the he kind of like had a soft spot for
her, correct?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
like he just yeah she's staying with him and he
last sees her, uh, or sees herleave, on november 8th.
So you know, all really closeto each other.
It seems like he took octoberoff for whatever reason.
It's probably his birthday,probably, uh.
So she leaves around seven oreight.
She was with a friend of hers.
She went to her house at 13Miller Court, so she leaves for
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a while.
She's seen drinking arounddifferent public houses and she
returns back to 13 Miller Courtfor the night, okay, and she's
seen by the friend with a manresembling everything we've told
the hat, mustache, scruffy,looking right.
So he's seen like walking herhome.
They're about to part ways.
She looks at her friend, maryJane looks at her friend and
says I'm going to invite him infor a song and then they start
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singing, like actually singing.
Okay, obviously we know they'regetting up to more Now.
Elizabeth Prater, she residesin the room directly above
Kelly's, okay, and she'd beenwoken up by her kitten walking
on her.
Oh, and here's the faint cry ofsomebody screaming murder
between 3.30 and 4 in themorning.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's not a pleasant way to wake up.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, sarah Lewis, who is also kind of a neighbor in
this, she heard the cry too, butneither of them report anything
because it's Whitechapel in themiddle of the night.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I was just going to say, but like I was going to be
like why not?
But then I realized they'reboth women.
It's Whitechapel.
Nobody is going to give a shit.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But her other friend didn't hear any more musical or
other noises coming from theroom after that same time as
well.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
OK.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Mary Jane Kelly is found the next morning at 10 45
am by police in her residence um, or at least this kind of
friend place.
She was staying, like I saidthat they used the term
residence, but these people werekind of just staying all over
the place, different from theothers, though.
She's murdered indoors right,possibly because you know, last
time he went out he gotinterrupted once yeah, but and
also he was invited in, true,true, so that's the change in
his mo.
Um, he also just being a littlemore private, he spent some more
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time and really mutilated her,yeah, so again, the throat is
cut down to the spine.
Um, the other thing too, and II don't want to focus too much
on it because it is.
I mean, these are all horribleanyway, but all the women were
assaulted as well.
Um, I think that's just, yeah,yeah, go kind of in this
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situation goes without saying,but her, um, her chest and her
abdomen are opened, so not justher abdomen.
Many organs are removed withprecision and placed around the
body, great, but the heart ismissing, literally taken by the
murderer.
So after this, however, the, themurders do stop, and mary jane
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kelly is thought to be the lastgruesome act of our boy jack.
Okay, so there is aninvestigation.
We're not gonna spend too muchtime on this, but it's important
to know for where we're goingwith the solving, because these
five murders happen really quickand there's these 11 that are
happening over years.
It gets tons of attention fromcommunity and news.
People are living in fear ofthis shadowy figure who's going
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around murdering women all nightand all the other rampant crime
in the area.
People just feel horriblyunsafe.
Well, yeah, because you don'thave places to stay right, you
can hide, you're literallysleeping on a rope like right,
you can't hide yeah so theinvestigation um is led by
detective inspector frederickaberline of the scotland yard
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and they start to profile thekiller.
This is when they decide thatthese five are likely one and
the rest of them are somebodyelse.
Um, they kind of profile himbased on how he killed when he
did it, the similarities in thewomen, the blood-stained aprons
and that medical precision right.
So we know he had to have somesort of medical or anatomical
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knowledge.
And over years, hundreds andhundreds and hundreds of people
are interviewed.
Nobody's charged.
Barnett is one of the firstMary Jane's guy.
But while the investigationsare going on, let's go back to
like the Circleville style.
These weird letters start tocome in.
So I want to I kind of want toread the letters to you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Now these are all received by the Central News
Agency, except for the last one,ok, and people don't know
whether it was a hoax or not,okay, but there is some.
So, basically, one person atthe agency said he came out and
wrote the letters to keep allthe heat alive, but there's some
details in them that would makeit hard like he wouldn't have
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known okay, right.
So the first one is called thedear boss letter, and this is
dear boss I keep on hearing thepolice have caught me, but they
won't fix me Like he wouldn'thave known.
Okay, right, so the first oneis called the Dear Boss letter,
and this is Dear Boss.
I keep on hearing the policehave caught me, but they won't
fix me just yet.
By the way, 1800s English Not alot of this is going to make
sense the way we would talk.
I have laughed when they lookso clever and talk about being
on the right track.
That joke about the leatherapron gave me real fits.
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I am down on whores and Ishan't quit ripping them until I
do get buckled.
Grand work, the last job wasRemember, so this letter came in
September 27th after the duel.
I gave that lady no time tosqueal.
How can they catch me now?
I love my work and want tostart again.
You will soon hear of me withfunny little games.
I saved some of the proper redstuff in a ginger beer bottle
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over to the last job to writewith, but it went on thick like
glue and I can't use it.
It's very boastful Some peoplesay that that graffiti was done
in blood.
Red ink is fit enough.
I hope the red blood was testedand it was ink.
The next job I do, I shall clipthe lady's ears off and send
the police officers.
Just for jolly, wouldn't youKeep this letter back till I do
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a bit more work and then give itout straight?
My knife's so nice and sharp Iwant to get to work right away
if I get a chance.
Good luck, yours truly signedJack the Ripper PS.
Don't mind me giving the tradename, so he names himself.
And then there's a PP or PSS.
Wasn't good enough to post thisbefore I got all the red ink
off my hands.
(34:34):
Curse it, no luck.
Yet they say I'm a doctor now.
Ha ha ha, cocky, are we?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, I guess you'd have to be right and like so.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Some people thought it was hoax.
But like he knew, the red inkon the graffiti.
And then the next murder thathappens, the ears are clipped.
So the next one is much shorter.
We call this the saucy jackieletter I was now.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm so sorry that that letter you just read came
before the murder of the clippedears so yeah, I, I misspoke
when I was reading it.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So this one had or came in september 27th, so this
is after um.
Our first one was august 8th.
Our second one or no, our firstone was august 30th.
Our second was september 8th.
The duel with the ear being cutoff that happened september
30th.
The letter was on september27th okay.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So yeah, how would you have wrote that?
Because you wouldn't have known, right okay.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
so the second letter, the saucy jack, this one's
October 1st, so during his monthoff.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So between four and five.
I was not cutting, dear oldboss, when I gave you the tip.
You'll hear about saucyJackie's work tomorrow.
Double event.
This time Number one squealed abit, couldn't finish off
straight, had no time to getears off for the police.
Thanks for keeping this lastletter until I got back to work.
So this one comes in October1st.
The double murder happenedSeptember 30th.
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So he mailed this.
Yeah, he had to have mailed itright when he finished.
If he's talking about thesquealing, Saucy Jackie.
He is a saucy guy.
Okay, I'm sorry, but I like.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Saucy Jackie no, I don't like him, but I like the
name jackie.
No, I don't like him, but Ilike the name saucy jackie.
That's hilarious.
Now, is it with a y or an ie?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
why, oh god, yeah that makes sense a wife, then
okay, yeah, jackie boy so ourlast letter, this one goes to
george lusk.
He is the chairman of the whitechapel vigilance committee.
This is called the from hellletter.
Let's read from hell.
Mr lusk, sore, I send you halfthe kidney I took from one woman
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, preserved it for you.
The other piece I fried and ate.
It was very nice.
I may send you the bloody knifethat took it out.
If you only write or wait awhile longer, sign, catch me, if
you can.
If you Can, mr Lusk, it wassent in a box with a portion of
the kidney, which kind of makesit harder to believe that these
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letters are hoaxes when he'sliterally sending Now.
Unfortunately there wasn'tforensics then and the kidney
does disappear over time, so wedon't know if it belongs to one
of the victims or not.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, but that's yeah .
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Okay, hundreds of suspects over time, right,
including men who are close tothe women, men who are not even
close to the situation at all.
No one is ever charged, though.
Um right, there's a lot ofnotable suspects.
So one we talked about before,hh holmes, right, um, but we
found out the travel records.
Things just didn't line up yeah, it doesn't make sense sir
(37:31):
william gall.
He was a royal physician tiedto this royal conspiracy theory,
which claimed that the murderswere part of a cover-up to
protect prince albert victorfrom a scandal I'm sure we could
figure out the scandal.
He was sleeping with prostitutes, right, yep, yep.
But this guy couldn't have doneit because he was elderly and
had a series of strokes aroundthe time.
Another famous one is thismontague john drew it that
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people said a lot, um, becausehe is questioned, he commits
suicide after and a lot of hisfamily was trying to be like
he's definitely seems like hecould be it, because they all
kept saying he was sexuallyinsane.
Well, it kind of turns out hewas probably just gay yeah, and
labeled as sexually insane andthen, when he started to be
pinned for these, he does killhimself.
(38:16):
But it could not have been him.
Francis Trumbly, he was anotherbig one.
He was a quack doctor fromAmerica who scammed people with
fake medicine.
He is also arrested in Londonin 1888 for unrelated crimes,
but he had a deep, deep hatredfor women and prostitutes and
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flees back to the United Statesright about the time the murders
stop.
Ok, so he was a strong onecircumstantially, but there's no
evidence that ever linked himto it.
Ok, so those are like some oflike the famous names that got
brought up.
Like I said, there's, there's,so, so many.
But there was a lack of anysort of forensic science and
that a number, or like theabrupt stop to the murders
(38:59):
stopped giving them anything togo off of right, and I think the
cops kind of thought like hey,we're gonna be able to like,
because they couldn't doforensic.
They were gonna try to set upstings and this and that and
patrol at night, but it stopped,which is so weird however, oh
go on, no, no, we're gonna sayI'm gonna go on to start solving
it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
So if you have comments now, oh no I was just
gonna say like so how many?
I'm sorry, how many was that?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
there's like four or five uh victims.
Oh five victims, it's five okaycanonical five yeah, connect.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Okay, I was thinking six for some reason, okay, no,
but it's like okay.
Canonical five, yeah, connect.
Okay.
I was thinking six for somereason, okay, no, but it's like
okay, five victims is a lot inone area.
So august to november yeahright, so he just, he probably
moved away, he went somewhereelse he did go somewhere else,
right like that's what it is,like it just doesn't.
It didn just stop.
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It stopped because he's notstupid, he left.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So there's another suspect that's been a main
suspect for a very long time.
His name is Aaron Kosminski andhe is a Polish barber.
Ok, so he came to the UK fromPoland in the late 1880s and he,
like I said, he was an originalsuspect because he worked as a
barber near all the murder sites.
He was also known to sufferfrom paranoid schizophrenia and
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suffered auditory hallucinationsand had violent tendencies.
Cute, while the investigationswere going on, a key witness
does place him at one of thescenes in 18.
The key witness gives histestimony testimony or not
testimony comes forward and saysthat he saw aaron with one of
the victims okay, but he saysthis in 1894, so years later.
(40:41):
But he refuses to actuallytestify.
Okay, so aaron, who had a longhistory of violent outbursts,
was sent to a mental institutionright when the murders stop,
which would explain why and hestayed in the institution until
he died in his 50s.
So there was never enoughevidence to pin the murder on
him, right?
(41:01):
Okay, until the saga thatstarts in 2007.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That's when I graduated.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
You're so young.
Thanks For the first timecompared to these people.
Okay, so a blood-stained shawlthat was claimed to have been
found near the body of katherineadawis is.
She was the first.
Um, she's the one with the ears.
She is number four, okay, fourso the shawl had been kind of
lost for a while because peopleknew there had been blood on it.
(41:30):
But yeah, the evidence was justokay.
They they couldn't find itright.
They didn't know who owned itshows up at this auction and
this researcher who'd beenlooking into the case for a long
time can you imagine that's onan auction?
Oh, I know crazy russelledwards buys it okay okay so
2007?
obviously, forensics are alittle bit different than they
(41:51):
are now.
We didn't't have that wholeancestry, all that kind of stuff
, right?
So while, yes, you could testblood, the familial,
generational, historical DNA wasnot as prevalent.
So he does analyze it.
They find that there's a coupleof different blood types on
there.
You know some that matchesCatherine, but there's also some
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semen and some other blood.
So the dna was compared toliving relatives of many of
subjects, right?
Or suspects, including thekosminski's, okay.
And in 2019, they finally wereable to test the mitochondrial
DNA and find a match with one ofthe Kaminsky Kazminski family
(42:36):
members OK.
So the blood on the shawl foundat the murder scene?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
This is my dream.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
And the semen, the DNA matches to a living
Kazminski.
Oh, my dream.
That's why you did start tohear about him back again in
2019.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
And since then, a multitude of tests has been done
to identify and certify the DNA.
They've certified the shawl,they've done DNA on other
victims, family members andsuspects.
So now they have not only thesuspect matching, they have the
victim 100 matching.
(43:14):
So they do know it is katherineand dowis's blood.
So now you have kind of, yeah,this validation on both sides
right.
So it did seem to be solved,right.
So around 2019.
Edward says it's a voyage ofdiscovery with many twists and
turns.
This adventure has beenchilling from the beginning to
the end and I'm lucky toexperience it.
(43:36):
Okay, this has been around nowfor what it's?
2025, about six years.
But it was in February of thisyear that Edward and the family
of the victims finally haveenough of this evidence where
they've ruled out so many otherpeople.
They've ruled in Kosminski anddone all this DNA testing on the
suspects and the victims towhere now they can say with 100%
(44:00):
certainty they are sure it hadto be Aaron, it's not.
This just came out February25th, okay.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
This is wild.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now, the reason all these articles have come out is
because Edwards and the familiesare now working with a legal
team to officially request thatthe attorney general and the
Scotland Yard name AaronKosminski as the killer.
Though, is because back in 2019, edwards made a very similar
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request and then AttorneyGeneral Sir Michael Ellis denied
it, saying there was notsufficient evidence, which is
why, for the past six years,they have gathered every bit of
evidence to rule out andvalidate theirs.
So we've known it for a while.
I mean, russell has basicallyknown this since 2007.
(44:54):
They're just trying to get itconfirmed.
Yeah, like a hundred percentconfirmed, right?
So like for now officials tocome out and say which will
probably happen, hopefully thisyear next that jack the Jack the
Ripper was 100% Aaron Kosminski, which is fucking wild.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
But it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Right, I do have two fun facts to leave you with here
.
One is a quote from KarenMiller, the great, great, great
granddaughter of CatherineDallas.
Oh, and she said having thekiller's name in official
records would bring justice tovictims who were not able to get
justice so, so long ago.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh, I have goosebumps .
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Now I told you about a thing I did Monday.
So this past Monday I went outand I made a new friend of
somebody from a local paranormalinvestigating group that I want
to start getting involved withI know you're going to start
coming when you can, yeah, andshe had been listening to the
podcast and she said that we dida really good job with HH
Holmes.
She liked our angle on it,which was nice to hear.
(45:58):
Then she said something aboutlike you know, I like that.
You brought up that a lot ofpeople thought he was Jack, but
that it couldn't have been.
Do you hear they found him?
I'm like, yes, that right now.
That's hilarious.
I said there's just one thingthat doesn't sit right with me,
because we started to discuss itand she goes.
Well, what's that?
I said well, everything said hehad to be medically trained.
(46:18):
Yeah, because how was he doingthis?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Right, like the precision and the cuts and
everything, and he was a barber.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
And she said many medical doctors in the 1800s
weren't trained to open bodiesas that was unpure medical
practice Cause, remember, a lotof doctors were just like their
bags and their selves and doorto door they weren't doing full
surgeries.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
So this would explain why the Polish barber would
have had anatomy knowledge.
Because barbers were given theor taught the skills on how to
use blades in the way thatdoctors wouldn't want to do.
That were unpure.
So things like simple surgeries, bloodletting, removal of
things on your skin and simplemedical procedures were done by
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barbers.
They were medically trained.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Right, so thank you, dawn.
I appreciate you for that.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
And I'm also sorry, dawn, because I did have to fact
check you and Google didconfirm and says historically,
particularly in the Middle Agesand the Renaissance, barbers
were known as barber surgeonsand they performed medical
procedures like minor surgeries,dental extractions and others
alongside their traditionalduties.
So even more evidence like thatwas the part that wasn't
(47:36):
sitting well with me.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Wow, I'm surprised that wasn't brought up in any of
your research.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I know Well that.
So the research, my articlesthat I use were very different.
There was a bunch of like whathappened and then I found a
bunch of them just explaininghow they linked Aaron to it.
So I could see that Aaron wasone of the original, but yeah,
somehow that no, but I'm justsurprised that, like that
correlation didn't get broughtup.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Well, that's why.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Because Aaron was always a suspect.
But they're always like, well,he was just like a crazy barber
in the area, like people weren't, I think they were trying to
tie the more famous people tothe case, so that a lot of that
research didn't focus on thefact that barbers would have
been trained incredible.
Oh, I want to solve a murderthis has to be like one of the
first times in two and a halfyears of doing this where we can
(48:26):
sit here at the end and go weknow we know what happened.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
This one's solved ancestry.
Sponsor us right, um.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
So now I also have another admission to make.
Is I always give you shit whenyou don't have a question for me
?
And as we're like starting todo this, I pull up the script
and you know we're doing ouropening and I realized that on
my script the question area isblank and I am so glad I
remember that moment last weekwhere you brought up the
ancestry.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I was going to call you out because I was going to
ask you if I didn't have myresults back yet, how was that
question going to go?
So I was actually already goingto call you out.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
We record the weekly episodes back to back.
So she only told me about thatabout an hour before we started
recording.
So it teed it up perfectly andI pulled that out of my ass.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I know it was just like me.
Um, wow, uh.
Good job, dude.
Thank you.
Anytime you can talk about jackthe ripper, I love that.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I know it's horrific and you did a very good job of
like holding back the horroryeah, but because even just the
way the bodies were and, uh, howthey were treated, the it is
probably one of the darkesttales of all time.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
It's awful, awful, yeah, but good job.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
That was crazy but yeah, now we know, and isn't it
like kind of I don't know?
I was kind of bummed that Iended up being a polish person.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Oh, my gosh, shut the hell up.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Who cares, as as it's solved and it's like one of
those things where it's we'regoing to have to keep our eye on
it for when it's like officialofficial.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, and we'll have to post back, post back, report
back.
I have to pee so bad, the peeis hurting my brain.
But great job, that was great.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Thank you, and I'm impressed that we did that in
under an hour, because thatcould have easily been a three,
four parter but we're at 59minutes, they'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
All right, that was great thank you, thank you, um.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I guess, for this one, what kind of emoji is there
?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
a little church emoji for like white chapel yeah,
we'll do that do a church in aknife chart, or there might be a
barber um oh, like a straightrazor yeah, thank you church and
a straight razor.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Oh dark oh, yeah, for real well I mean fitting um,
all right, what?
What do these little oddballsneed to do before we close up
the shop for the day?
Speaker 1 (50:49):
the only thing that these little oddballs need to do
is to creep a real.
You little oddballs.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Goodbye, bye, maybe see you in two days.
Ah, bye, thank you, I'm out.
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
bathed in the moonlight at theID shop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theOddity Shop.
(00:25):
What's up, you little oddballs?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the podcast, where
we tell you creepy, odd, weird,strange, bizarre stories from
around the globe.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm your curator, kara, and this is my wonderful
gay curator, zachary, and theonly reason I'm saying that is
because his shirt says, ofcourse, I'm gay.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
OK, well, you're calling me out, ok, so I had to
wear this day.
So this is fun.
It actually says of course I'mgay, I went to Catholic school
and then it has a littleCatholic school on here.
Of course I'm gay, I went toCatholic school and then it has
a little Catholic school on here.
This is very fun.
I had so much to do yesterdayand I checked the mail and I had
this shirt in my mailbox withno information on who it was
(01:15):
from.
So, of course, instead of doingso he calls me.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh yeah, so I get a call.
I'm on the phone with my mom,so I don't answer he calls.
Again I had to say I'm on thephone with mom and he's like did
you send me a?
Shirt no.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I like I can't focus on anything else.
I have to get to the bottom ofthe mystery.
I posted it on Facebook, Idon't know why I didn't figure
it out, but I should have askedChelsea sooner.
And I so I text her and I godid you send me a T-shirt?
And her response is depends onif it made you chuckle or not.
(01:47):
Ah, that's so good.
So I said I'm crying, laughing,um, I said but also, this
mystery is so fun, but I have somany things to do.
She goes yes, it was me.
The algorithm blessed me onthat one, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh god, we were.
We were talking on the phone,we were trying to figure out who
it was.
We like there was differentclues from different reasons.
I'm not gonna go like could,could it be this person?
It wouldn't be this person Likewe had all this like mapped out
, like one of those what's itcalled Like, with the pictures
and the string.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
One of my top suspects was Megan from South
Dakota.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And I'm like I almost texted her she commented on
Facebook.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
She's like this is totally something I would do,
but it's not me.
I'm like I almost asked yougirl, oh, so funny.
Oh, my god, anyway, so that wasfun.
That's your new thing, that'smy new thing, and that's about
all that I've got, except forI'm starting to get the spring
cleaning vibes and starting tolike I haven't started it yet,
but I'm starting to likesurprised plan out the order of
(02:40):
things so for those that don'tknow, if you haven't been here
long enough, zachary does hisspring cleaning and he does a
room in his house a day.
Usually I try to get it done ina day and I do a couple in a
week.
Now, last year I didn't, youwent crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
No, two years ago I went crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Last year I was well spring last year different for
different reasons.
So this year I need to do likea double clean and I'm really
excited.
So that's my boring life whichis very nice.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's like a good feeling.
All right, the only thing thatI have before we open up the
shop is just, it's hilarious.
We've been sent it a milliontimes uh, allegedly, but it's
proven that she was trying tohire a hitman, or did hire a
(03:31):
hitman actually, because shegave a deposit to have him
killed, which is not funny.
It is not funny, but what thehell?
And so zach's like I haven'teven really read up on it.
So the gist of it, for thosethat don't know, is that I don't
know how, but she somehow gotin contact with an inmate and a
(03:51):
phone got smuggled to thisinmate.
So they were texting back andforth, which hello rookie move.
Basically, that she was tellingghost adventurers like their
filming schedule when he wasgoing to be there, what hours
where.
Like their filming schedulewhen he was going to be there,
what hours where.
Um, so all this stuff, uh, atone text message was something
like he's home alone, sleeping,like I need confirmation that
(04:12):
it's been done.
Is it done yet?
Like yeah.
So the phone ended up gettingconfiscated by one of the um
correctional officers orsomebody there, which is like
girl the hell is wrong with you.
And then one of the texts waseven like.
This is not verbatim, but itwas something like am I stupid
or am I foolish for wanting tohave him murdered instead of
(04:36):
just divorcing him?
Here's yes, yes you are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Here's the thing had she gone through with it, that
murder would have been solved soquickly, because that man knows
how to use paranormal equipment.
Okay, all you'd have to do isset up one spirit box and you
would know everything.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Aaron, are you there Exactly, aaron.
Aaron, are you there, right,right Not?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, Can you imagine .
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Anyway that's just something funny that we have to
talk about that.
That, yeah, I got sent thatarticle a couple times I it is
fun, well, fun.
But you know what I?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
mean, it's just, it's fun because it didn't happen.
She got caught, so it's fun forus to talk about.
What I do think would be coolfor us um, you guys let us know,
especially for our patreonlisteners is to have like mini
episodes of fun stuff like thisthat has to do with this that we
just record like a little thingabout it.
I think that would be fun.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We'll let us know, okay, so real quick, though,
before we open the shop, do youhave anything else?
Nope, okay.
One thing that we need to sayis, if you're listening to this
on the day this comes out andyou bought a ticket to our event
, we are so excited to see youin two days at eloise asylum.
That's number one I'm gonnasweat and number two request of
(05:51):
you guys we need more write-instories.
So write-ins, call-ins I don'tcare if you carry your pigeon it
to me, get us some stories,okay I have one thing really
quick, mar Mariel, are you allright?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Because, girl, I haven't heard from you in a
while.
I actually I was going tomessage her on Patreon, dm her.
But, girl, you good.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know, though, we need to give a shout out to Lisa
on Instagram, because Lisa hasbeen giving us a ton of love.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
She pops off.
Actually, that's so funnybecause, sorry Lisa, that
actually this isn't evencoincidences was on my list of
things to do today was to DM heron Instagram and thank her for
everything.
Yes, she is like an auctioneershe does auction stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh, really Isn't that cool.
That is really cool.
Okay, now we're ready to openthe show.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yes, we are very ready.
Do you have a question for me?
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I do.
Last week you mentioned thatyou got your ancestry results.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, I have yes.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay, did you uncover any murderers?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No, but hold on.
Something just literally felloff the shelf.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Uh-oh, iceman's coming for you.
I don't know what that was, butsomething just fell off the
shelf.
Okay, all right.
So did it uncover any murderersor any?
Mysteries or anything that youknow of.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So sad because I brought.
I had bought a kit for Aunt Pat.
I think I told you that Ibrought it to her on Sunday,
made her spit in that tube, butanyway, that's a whole other
thing.
But I was when we were talking.
I was like I was like I reallywanted to find a murderer.
When we were talking, I waslike I was like I really wanted
to find a murderer, Like I'mrelated to a murderer, Like
somebody was murdered, something, something, something.
(07:29):
No, I didn't find anything likethat.
I mean, obviously I still havesome research to do and the
platform is very weird, but no,Okay so far it's not from there,
all right.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, I want you to keep those things in mind about
how ancestral DNA can solvethings, because a couple weeks
ago I promised you guys a casethat doesn't end in mystery.
You did, I did, okay, okay.
Imagine walking the fog-coveredstreets of London in 1888.
Oh, the gas lamps areflickering, the cobblestones are
(08:01):
slick with rain and you havethe chilling knowledge that a
faceless killer is lurking inthe shadows Kara Okay.
Five women are brutallymurdered, their bodies mutilated
with surgical precision.
The world knew him as Jack theRipper, yes, for many, many
(08:22):
years.
However, now, thanks to somemodern day science, this is one
of the first episodes we can endit with.
We have a solved mysteryinstead of us saying I guess
we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I am so ashamed that I did not know this.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, this is why, when I started seeing the news
articles come around, Iimmediately texted and we never
text each other about episodesalgorithm of anything been.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
how have I not known this?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I, I don't know my eyes are watering but yeah.
So that's why I was likethere's big news kind of
happening right now now and Ican tell you at the end why the
algorithm might not be there,because it is solved.
It just hasn't been accepted bythe right people yet because
it's so new.
So it's solved beyond certainty.
(09:11):
But the Scotland Yard hasn'tconfirmed.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I actually might have heard that, so maybe that's why
I put it out of my brain,because it's fair.
Ok, I'm excited, let's go baby.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Obviously, you know we can't just get into it being
solved.
We got to go through the storyof Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I love this.
I know which is so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's why we're here .
Yeah, come on, be for real, andI know I've been like really
true crime heavy this year, so Ipromise I'll get back to some
other weird stuff after this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
No, I am so happy that you're true crime heavy
this year because you've neverbeen true crime heavy, I know,
and that's what got us into thisthat is true.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I love it all right.
So 1888 in the parish of whitechapel, london, uh, or in the
parish of white chapel, which isin london's east end, is where
our story's starting.
At this time, england has ahuge influx of Irish immigrants
and Jewish refugees and a lot ofpeople coming into town, so
(10:12):
there's a lot of neighborhoodsthat were basically set up as
poor houses, and Whitechapel isone of them.
It becomes insanely overcrowded, leading to 80,000 people being
stuffed into this small area.
On top of the overcrowding,terrible work conditions, hard
to find food.
Very sad, no money, noresources.
(10:34):
Yeah, no, it's really sad Dude.
55% of kids born there diedbefore five years old.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And then, obviously, in places like this, crime,
alcoholism, drug use, all thatkind of stuff.
Okay, we're going to talk aboutpeople's houses, but it's
important to talk about, or whenwe're talking about the houses
that they are rented, basicallynightly, in these poor houses.
So you'd have a common area,you'd have a room, and if you
didn't pay for it daily, you gotkicked out where you could then
(11:02):
pay to sleep against a ropestuck between buildings that you
leaned on, or literally in thestreet.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Which, if you didn't know, that's why it's called a
hangover.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yes, the hangover rope, which is insane.
I actually learned thatyesterday while writing this and
I was like wait, a hangover,yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Because a lot of times you would just like you
know, they would spend theirmoney on booze and they wouldn't
have enough to actually get aroom, so they'd have to hang
over be drunk and hung over,which is so wild, but all in all
it's not a really great placeto be and much of the female
population does turn to sex.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
work to, you know, make ends meet.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Which there's no shame in that there's no shame
in that.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Anyways, though, during the period of like april
3rd 88 to february 13th of 91,there's a large number of
murders.
There's at least 11 femalevictims, and they were
originally just kind of callingthem the white chapel murders
yes now, at first they thoughtthey were all linked to one
person, although six out of the11 seem like they could have
maybe been this Jack the Ripper,but there's not enough evidence
(12:10):
to tie in all 11 of them.
So, since you know 1888, he isreally kind of quote unquote,
charged because nobody was evercharged, because nobody was ever
charged.
But, um, there's the five can,can and not this is a word I can
never say canonical deaths thatare related to him I wish I
(12:31):
could have been the hero to helpyou.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That would have been.
That would have redeemed myself, if I honestly if it makes you
feel better.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I did have to practice that one on uh google
too, and I just canonical.
I can never say okay, soanyways.
So let's get into the fivecanonical victims, the infamous
victims of jack the ripper.
Okay, there were some certaincharacteristics that do lead
investigators to think that itwas all done by him.
(12:58):
Okay, so they were all sexworkers or women living in
extreme poverty.
They all had similar deathinducing injuries, they had all
been mutilated in some way oranother and they were all killed
at night in like super secludedareas.
Oh yeah, it's um, it's a littleheavy, it is, it's a heavy one,
(13:19):
okay.
So the first victim is 43 yearold mold Mary Ann Nichols.
So she lives a pretty toughlife.
Leading up to this, she hadbeen left by her husband who had
an affair with a nurse.
She kind of resorts toaddiction and alcoholism and a
life of sex work to get by.
(13:39):
So she finds herself living inone of the poor houses in
Whitechapel.
Um, so she finds herself livingin one of the poor houses in
Whitechapel and on August 30that 11 pm she's seen walking down
Whitechapel Road.
And this is the crazy thing isall of these people have so many
eyewitnesses.
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, because there's so many people about it's not
right now when it's like late atnight the town is just silent.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's not like that.
Unfortunately, this whole townwas a bunch of people who had
nowhere to stay and nothing todo other than drink all night.
So there was like eyes on allthese women.
Okay, like you said, that's socrazy, it's just crazy.
So she visits a bar and she'sseen returning to her home at
about 1.20 in the morning, butshe's ID'd by the owner and then
(14:28):
she can't cough up the money topay.
So she's put back out on thestreet where she decides she's
going to work for the evening totry to pay for a place to sleep
.
It's just so sad.
So she is last seen alive,drunk and stumbling around 2.30
am where she's offered help butshe refuses.
We don't know what happens toher after 2.30, but around 3.40
(14:53):
am a car man discovers what heinitially thinks is a tarp
laying on the ground in front ofa stable on Buck's Row.
He goes to check it out andrealizes it's the body of Mary
Nichols.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh yeah, so the police are called to investigate
bucks row.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He goes to check it out and realizes it's the body
of mary nichols.
Oh yeah, so the police arecalled to investigate, uh, and
they find that her throat isslit from left to right.
She has deep and precise cutsacross her abdomen with several
incisions, but no major organsare removed I don't even have
words, though, because it's justso sad.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It's like there's witnesses she would, somebody
who's like yeah, offered herhelp.
Oh my god, could you imaginethat being that person that
offered help like what could Ihave actually done to make her
she's.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
She's not the only one, oh, you know, uh, and like
here's the thing is she was seenat two thirty.
She's found an hour later.
He moves fucking fast.
I think that's one of thethings that always shocks me.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, it is shocking, but but then when you think
about it, think of all thepeople that you just said were
there.
How many people are in thesmall area?
You can move fast becausenobody's fucking paying
attention to you, becausethere's so much going on.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
True, true.
So they also know, though, thatthere's not much blood at the
scene, which could be one of twothings Either she was killed
somewhere else or this personhad a lot of medical knowledge
and was able to control thebleeding.
So that's where we start to putthe MO together, that whoever
this killer is might bemedically trained in some way.
Yes, our next victim, so thatwas September 30th or August
(16:26):
30th, the first one, excuse me.
So our second victim is AnnieChapman.
She is 47 when she passes.
She she kind of started young.
She grew up in a family wherealcohol is very common.
She becomes addicted at a youngage.
Her family, though, at onepoint does leave the Whitechapel
neighborhood, but she staysbehind due to having a job as a
(16:47):
domestic servant.
So she does eventually.
Marry has children, but afterthe death of one of those kids
they separate and both parents'alcoholism gets really, really
bad.
I know she finds another man.
He leaves her once herallowance from her first
ex-husband stops coming in.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Allowance.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Because he actually died.
Yeah, and no, it's terribly sad, like her life was tragic.
She's pretty much the way itwas described, is she's left
depressed, with little will tolive?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know if I lived there, if I would have
much will to live.
No, it does.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's just so awful.
It's just bleak.
Yeah, you're literally workingall day to sleep.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
No, truly, you're working to pay for a bed or a
rope or a way out.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So, in a similar manner to our first victim on
September 8th, she has refusedhousing for not being able to
pay.
She goes out on the streets towork.
She leaves her lodge and commonarea around 1.35 am.
She is next seen talking to aman around 5.30 am.
This man is described as tall,over 40, dark hair, shabby, with
(17:59):
a mustache, wearing a felt hatand a long dark coat Our
original images of Jack theRipper.
Just before 6 am, annie Chapmanis found dead in the yard
entrance of 29 Hanbury Street,found by the elderly resident of
the property or the gentlemanwho owned the property.
So she's laying in the doorway.
(18:21):
He notifies police right awayand again her throat is cut
deeply from left to right.
Her abdomen is opened, but thistime her intestines are pulled
out and placed over her rightshoulder.
Her uterus and part of herbladder are removed again
suggesting medical knowledge,and a blood-stained apron is
found nearby.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Okay, so now we have two victims that are pretty
similarly.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, butchered Surgery, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I think you could say butchered.
If it's not you being in ahospital and being because you
need medical attention, I thinkyou could say butchered.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I think that's fair, all right.
So we have August 30th,september 8th.
Our man wastes no time gettingdown to his next one, september
30th.
So we have August 30th,september 8th, our man wastes no
time getting down to his nextone, september 30th.
So we're like literally withina month now, and on this fine
evening he takes not one but twovictims, kara.
So the first is ElizabethStride, 44 at the time of her
(19:21):
death.
She was actually born in Sweden, moves to London in 1866.
Don't really know why, but itsounds like she also had one of
those domestic servant jobslined up.
But she kind of told differentpeople different stories and it
seemed like a lot of peopleended up in Whitechapel if they
didn't really want everyone toknow the rest of their story.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I was going to say I think Whitechapel is kind of
like.
I don't want to say outcast,that's not the right terminology
I'm thinking of, but yeah, kindof like I don't want to say
outcast, that's not the rightterminology I'm thinking of, but
yeah, kind of like you don't.
You don't want to be questionedbecause nobody's going to
question you.
Nobody really gives a crap whatyou're doing there.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
They're all just focused on their own stuff it's
like when you hear that term,like the underbelly of cities,
it's kind of like you know Ihate to call these people all
dark and seedy, but a good chunkof Whitechapel just sounds like
it could be magical andbeautiful, but it's dark, dreary
and disgusting.
Well, it was like there'schurches nearby that set up all
these poor houses.
(20:16):
I mean, the meaning behind itwas great.
It just you know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Places like that always happen.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh yeah, it always happens in places like that, not
too different from like SkidRow.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Exactly that's what I was just trying to think of.
What am I doing?
Skid Row yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So, like other, the other woman, though she was
married, ends up separated livesin a poor house in Whitechapel.
She tells one group of peoplethat her family, like her
husband and kids, died on a boatand she survives.
We don't really know, but we doknow she makes a living through
(20:51):
sewing, house cleaning and sexwork.
On september 30th we know shecleaned a few homes and she
heads to a pub around 6 30 pm.
Then she was seen um with a fewmen that evening.
One described her as being witha man wearing a felt hat and a
long jacket.
That seemed to fit thedescription of our killer and
this was around 11 30 pm.
So he got an early start thisnight because her body is
(21:13):
discovered around 1 am by a clubsteward who's heading home on a
horse-drawn cart yeah, hedidn't waste no time no, no, um,
and like the other ones werelike you know, way earlier in
the morning, he's like, yeah, 11, 30 we're getting out we're
good.
She's found with a single deepthroat, cut from left to right,
surprise, surprise, uh.
In her hands, though, is likebreath, mints and a flower.
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It almost seems like she waslike literally like primping, or
getting ready to like take themor not take them, because it's
a man, eat them, um, but thiskind of suggests she was like
really caught off guard.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
But she's not the only one caught off guard in
this one, though do you thinkthat she was caught off guard or
do you think that she was like?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
oh, I think she found her, john.
You know she's probably gettingready to like do whatever.
So you know she's gonna have herlittle flower and then throat
cut.
Oh, now rip.
Different from the other girls,though women different from the
other women is there's a lackof mutilation to her abdomen.
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That suggests that the killerwas probably interrupted during
this process and he left to gofind another victim, which he
does that same night.
So our second victim iskatherine edawes, I believe
that's how you say her last nameE-D-D-O-W-E-S.
I trust you.
So she was 46 when she passed.
She was born in rural England.
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Her family moves to London.
When she's a baby, she has 11other siblings, oh, and right
after the 11th one, her mom diesof tuberculosis.
Not many years later, herfather dies as well, leaving all
the kids to live in poverty,and she kind of bounced from
family members and from job tojob.
She does have a problem withstealing, though, and keeps
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losing her job and her housingalong the way.
So she takes up drinking, shetakes up a couple odd jobs um,
never keep any long, but shefinds herself doing sex work on
Dorset Street in a part ofWhitechapel known locally as the
Shed.
Yeah, none of these women.
These poor women all had prettyhorrendous lives based on just
(23:19):
having no other choice, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, yeah, and it's that time they're women.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And I think that's so many of them because divorce
wasn't a big thing like so manyof these women weren't even
divorced, they were justseparated from their husband.
They like kind of shove them tothese.
Oh my god, it's so sad yeah,it's awful uh.
So september 30th, though, sheplans to go visit a family
member to borrow money, sheleaves her friends around 2 pm.
At 8 pm she is seen by a policeofficer, still in white chapel,
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laying drunk on the pavement.
He helps her up.
He takes her into custody tohelp her sober up.
She's released at around 12 30am after being very unpleasant
to these officers who weretrying to help her oh, but were
they actually trying to help her?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
they, I mean, they were just trying to get her.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh, but were they actually trying to help her?
They, I mean, they were justtrying to get her sobered up.
They're like, do you know howto get home?
And she'd be like quit back atthem with like some sarcastic,
mean shit, and then she leavesbut takes off in the way
opposite of her house.
But you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
yeah, police officers weren't that great to women?
No, so I'd be.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I might be sassy as well, well, you're just sassy
when you have a few in youanyway.
So if you were drunk on thepavement, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
In Whitechapel.
Oh, I'd be real sassy All right.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So she takes off to go in the wrong direction and
she's last seen around 135 bythree witnesses.
One of those mentioned she'sstanding with a man in a felt
hat, a mustache and a long coat.
Imagine that she is seen withher hand on his chest.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Oh OK, wrong move girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah.
About an hour later she's foundmurdered, laying on her back
with her head in a coal hole.
Now he must have had a littlebit more time, because her
throat is not only cut, it isshredded left to right down to
her spine.
Her face is mutilated, her earsare cut, her cheeks are slashed
, her eyelids cut and her noseis severed.
Her abdomen he had time.
(25:17):
Her abdomen was opened.
Her intestines were over hershoulder.
Wait.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I'm so sorry you have to pause.
I am not trying to laugh, butyou sound like that.
Is it like the TikTok sound?
Okay, it's like her legs werecut off.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Her arms were cut off , her eyes were cut out, her
tongue was cut off.
I, when I was writing this lastnight, I was like I think that
TikTok sound is about CatherineAdowes, like I want to find the
source of it because I'm fairlycertain it had to be about her.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I had the same thought I'm not laughing because
it's so sad, but the way thatyou just read it.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's all that her arms were cut off.
Um, anyways, though, her leftkidney and part of her uterus is
removed and that is part of thestory, not the tic-tac and
again, the blood-stained apronis found nearby.
Now, this is one, and Iremember, so I actually got to
do the jack the ripper like tourof all these places where they
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were found, when I was in londonas a kid.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm so jealous.
I mean I am, yeah, I know it'sdisturbing I remember them
talking about this.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So there's anti-semitic graffiti nearby.
That was about like the jewswere creating all the problems
and they always tried tospeculate of if that was jack
the ripper who left the graffitiright by the body, or if that
was just kind of circumstantial.
So I don't know if I've everheard that yeah, but the the
only thing, the reason why Ibring it up is that the cop who
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investigated her cleaned thatgraffiti up so that there
wouldn't be a race riot.
But in doing so, the way, thecleaning and stuff that he used
really fucked up the crime scenego figure.
So we had two, those twoseptember 30th, and then our
final.
Our last victim, and mostbrutal yet, is miss mary jane
(27:01):
kelly.
No, she doesn't quite fit thesame moature, the MO.
Yes, the stature is different.
So she was young, she was only25, as much as we know, this is
one of the few that there'sreally not many known about her.
She told different male suitorsthat she was born in Ireland,
then moved to Wales as a child,but she told everybody a
(27:24):
different story, sounded likeshe may have come from a
well-to-do family, and that sheherself was seemed pretty
educated, but she always, like,lied about her age.
So they, they do know shewasn't in her 40s, like the
other.
Their best guess is in hermid-20s, okay, so what we do,
though.
Know, though, is in 1884 shemakes her way to london to work
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again as a domestic servant, butone of her friends introduces
her to brothel work, where shequickly becomes the most popular
girl at her local brothel andends up with a bit of money.
Okay, girl, so she was wearingextravagant clothes and this and
that.
We don't know what happened.
But something happens to herand she turns up penniless,
living in white chapel, and youknow what she does to spend her
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time.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Sex work.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And drinking.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
She does end up staying with a man named Joseph
Barnett and it didn't sound likethey were not.
He was more than a client butless than a relationship.
She still worked, but he wasmore of like a close friend with
benefits is kind of the feelinghe was more of like a close
friend with benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's kind of the he kind of like had a soft spot for
her, correct?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
like he just yeah she's staying with him and he
last sees her, uh, or sees herleave, on november 8th.
So you know, all really closeto each other.
It seems like he took octoberoff for whatever reason.
It's probably his birthday,probably, uh.
So she leaves around seven oreight.
She was with a friend of hers.
She went to her house at 13Miller Court, so she leaves for
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a while.
She's seen drinking arounddifferent public houses and she
returns back to 13 Miller Courtfor the night, okay, and she's
seen by the friend with a manresembling everything we've told
the hat, mustache, scruffy,looking right.
So he's seen like walking herhome.
They're about to part ways.
She looks at her friend, maryJane looks at her friend and
says I'm going to invite him infor a song and then they start
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singing, like actually singing.
Okay, obviously we know they'regetting up to more Now.
Elizabeth Prater, she residesin the room directly above
Kelly's, okay, and she'd beenwoken up by her kitten walking
on her.
Oh, and here's the faint cry ofsomebody screaming murder
between 3.30 and 4 in themorning.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's not a pleasant way to wake up.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, sarah Lewis, who is also kind of a neighbor in
this, she heard the cry too, butneither of them report anything
because it's Whitechapel in themiddle of the night.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I was just going to say, but like I was going to be
like why not?
But then I realized they'reboth women.
It's Whitechapel.
Nobody is going to give a shit.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But her other friend didn't hear any more musical or
other noises coming from theroom after that same time as
well.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
OK.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Mary Jane Kelly is found the next morning at 10 45
am by police in her residence um, or at least this kind of
friend place.
She was staying, like I saidthat they used the term
residence, but these people werekind of just staying all over
the place, different from theothers, though.
She's murdered indoors right,possibly because you know, last
time he went out he gotinterrupted once yeah, but and
also he was invited in, true,true, so that's the change in
his mo.
Um, he also just being a littlemore private, he spent some more
(30:35):
time and really mutilated her,yeah, so again, the throat is
cut down to the spine.
Um, the other thing too, and II don't want to focus too much
on it because it is.
I mean, these are all horribleanyway, but all the women were
assaulted as well.
Um, I think that's just, yeah,yeah, go kind of in this
(30:55):
situation goes without saying,but her, um, her chest and her
abdomen are opened, so not justher abdomen.
Many organs are removed withprecision and placed around the
body, great, but the heart ismissing, literally taken by the
murderer.
So after this, however, the, themurders do stop, and mary jane
(31:17):
kelly is thought to be the lastgruesome act of our boy jack.
Okay, so there is aninvestigation.
We're not gonna spend too muchtime on this, but it's important
to know for where we're goingwith the solving, because these
five murders happen really quickand there's these 11 that are
happening over years.
It gets tons of attention fromcommunity and news.
People are living in fear ofthis shadowy figure who's going
(31:40):
around murdering women all nightand all the other rampant crime
in the area.
People just feel horriblyunsafe.
Well, yeah, because you don'thave places to stay right, you
can hide, you're literallysleeping on a rope like right,
you can't hide yeah so theinvestigation um is led by
detective inspector frederickaberline of the scotland yard
(32:02):
and they start to profile thekiller.
This is when they decide thatthese five are likely one and
the rest of them are somebodyelse.
Um, they kind of profile himbased on how he killed when he
did it, the similarities in thewomen, the blood-stained aprons
and that medical precision right.
So we know he had to have somesort of medical or anatomical
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knowledge.
And over years, hundreds andhundreds and hundreds of people
are interviewed.
Nobody's charged.
Barnett is one of the firstMary Jane's guy.
But while the investigationsare going on, let's go back to
like the Circleville style.
These weird letters start tocome in.
So I want to I kind of want toread the letters to you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Now these are all received by the Central News
Agency, except for the last one,ok, and people don't know
whether it was a hoax or not,okay, but there is some.
So, basically, one person atthe agency said he came out and
wrote the letters to keep allthe heat alive, but there's some
details in them that would makeit hard like he wouldn't have
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known okay, right.
So the first one is called thedear boss letter, and this is
dear boss I keep on hearing thepolice have caught me, but they
won't fix me Like he wouldn'thave known.
Okay, right, so the first oneis called the Dear Boss letter,
and this is Dear Boss.
I keep on hearing the policehave caught me, but they won't
fix me just yet.
By the way, 1800s English Not alot of this is going to make
sense the way we would talk.
I have laughed when they lookso clever and talk about being
on the right track.
That joke about the leatherapron gave me real fits.
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I am down on whores and Ishan't quit ripping them until I
do get buckled.
Grand work, the last job wasRemember, so this letter came in
September 27th after the duel.
I gave that lady no time tosqueal.
How can they catch me now?
I love my work and want tostart again.
You will soon hear of me withfunny little games.
I saved some of the proper redstuff in a ginger beer bottle
(33:50):
over to the last job to writewith, but it went on thick like
glue and I can't use it.
It's very boastful Some peoplesay that that graffiti was done
in blood.
Red ink is fit enough.
I hope the red blood was testedand it was ink.
The next job I do, I shall clipthe lady's ears off and send
the police officers.
Just for jolly, wouldn't youKeep this letter back till I do
(34:14):
a bit more work and then give itout straight?
My knife's so nice and sharp Iwant to get to work right away
if I get a chance.
Good luck, yours truly signedJack the Ripper PS.
Don't mind me giving the tradename, so he names himself.
And then there's a PP or PSS.
Wasn't good enough to post thisbefore I got all the red ink
off my hands.
(34:34):
Curse it, no luck.
Yet they say I'm a doctor now.
Ha ha ha, cocky, are we?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, I guess you'd have to be right and like so.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Some people thought it was hoax.
But like he knew, the red inkon the graffiti.
And then the next murder thathappens, the ears are clipped.
So the next one is much shorter.
We call this the saucy jackieletter I was now.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm so sorry that that letter you just read came
before the murder of the clippedears so yeah, I, I misspoke
when I was reading it.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So this one had or came in september 27th, so this
is after um.
Our first one was august 8th.
Our second one or no, our firstone was august 30th.
Our second was september 8th.
The duel with the ear being cutoff that happened september
30th.
The letter was on september27th okay.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So yeah, how would you have wrote that?
Because you wouldn't have known, right okay.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
so the second letter, the saucy jack, this one's
October 1st, so during his monthoff.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So between four and five.
I was not cutting, dear oldboss, when I gave you the tip.
You'll hear about saucyJackie's work tomorrow.
Double event.
This time Number one squealed abit, couldn't finish off
straight, had no time to getears off for the police.
Thanks for keeping this lastletter until I got back to work.
So this one comes in October1st.
The double murder happenedSeptember 30th.
(35:56):
So he mailed this.
Yeah, he had to have mailed itright when he finished.
If he's talking about thesquealing, Saucy Jackie.
He is a saucy guy.
Okay, I'm sorry, but I like.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Saucy Jackie no, I don't like him, but I like the
name jackie.
No, I don't like him, but Ilike the name saucy jackie.
That's hilarious.
Now, is it with a y or an ie?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
why, oh god, yeah that makes sense a wife, then
okay, yeah, jackie boy so ourlast letter, this one goes to
george lusk.
He is the chairman of the whitechapel vigilance committee.
This is called the from hellletter.
Let's read from hell.
Mr lusk, sore, I send you halfthe kidney I took from one woman
(36:37):
, preserved it for you.
The other piece I fried and ate.
It was very nice.
I may send you the bloody knifethat took it out.
If you only write or wait awhile longer, sign, catch me, if
you can.
If you Can, mr Lusk, it wassent in a box with a portion of
the kidney, which kind of makesit harder to believe that these
(36:59):
letters are hoaxes when he'sliterally sending Now.
Unfortunately there wasn'tforensics then and the kidney
does disappear over time, so wedon't know if it belongs to one
of the victims or not.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, but that's yeah .
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Okay, hundreds of suspects over time, right,
including men who are close tothe women, men who are not even
close to the situation at all.
No one is ever charged, though.
Um right, there's a lot ofnotable suspects.
So one we talked about before,hh holmes, right, um, but we
found out the travel records.
Things just didn't line up yeah, it doesn't make sense sir
(37:31):
william gall.
He was a royal physician tiedto this royal conspiracy theory,
which claimed that the murderswere part of a cover-up to
protect prince albert victorfrom a scandal I'm sure we could
figure out the scandal.
He was sleeping with prostitutes, right, yep, yep.
But this guy couldn't have doneit because he was elderly and
had a series of strokes aroundthe time.
Another famous one is thismontague john drew it that
(37:56):
people said a lot, um, becausehe is questioned, he commits
suicide after and a lot of hisfamily was trying to be like
he's definitely seems like hecould be it, because they all
kept saying he was sexuallyinsane.
Well, it kind of turns out hewas probably just gay yeah, and
labeled as sexually insane andthen, when he started to be
pinned for these, he does killhimself.
(38:16):
But it could not have been him.
Francis Trumbly, he was anotherbig one.
He was a quack doctor fromAmerica who scammed people with
fake medicine.
He is also arrested in Londonin 1888 for unrelated crimes,
but he had a deep, deep hatredfor women and prostitutes and
(38:36):
flees back to the United Statesright about the time the murders
stop.
Ok, so he was a strong onecircumstantially, but there's no
evidence that ever linked himto it.
Ok, so those are like some oflike the famous names that got
brought up.
Like I said, there's, there's,so, so many.
But there was a lack of anysort of forensic science and
that a number, or like theabrupt stop to the murders
(38:59):
stopped giving them anything togo off of right, and I think the
cops kind of thought like hey,we're gonna be able to like,
because they couldn't doforensic.
They were gonna try to set upstings and this and that and
patrol at night, but it stopped,which is so weird however, oh
go on, no, no, we're gonna sayI'm gonna go on to start solving
it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
So if you have comments now, oh no I was just
gonna say like so how many?
I'm sorry, how many was that?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
there's like four or five uh victims.
Oh five victims, it's five okaycanonical five yeah, connect.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Okay, I was thinking six for some reason, okay, no,
but it's like okay.
Canonical five, yeah, connect.
Okay.
I was thinking six for somereason, okay, no, but it's like
okay, five victims is a lot inone area.
So august to november yeahright, so he just, he probably
moved away, he went somewhereelse he did go somewhere else,
right like that's what it is,like it just doesn't.
It didn just stop.
(39:50):
It stopped because he's notstupid, he left.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So there's another suspect that's been a main
suspect for a very long time.
His name is Aaron Kosminski andhe is a Polish barber.
Ok, so he came to the UK fromPoland in the late 1880s and he,
like I said, he was an originalsuspect because he worked as a
barber near all the murder sites.
He was also known to sufferfrom paranoid schizophrenia and
(40:19):
suffered auditory hallucinationsand had violent tendencies.
Cute, while the investigationswere going on, a key witness
does place him at one of thescenes in 18.
The key witness gives histestimony testimony or not
testimony comes forward and saysthat he saw aaron with one of
the victims okay, but he saysthis in 1894, so years later.
(40:41):
But he refuses to actuallytestify.
Okay, so aaron, who had a longhistory of violent outbursts,
was sent to a mental institutionright when the murders stop,
which would explain why and hestayed in the institution until
he died in his 50s.
So there was never enoughevidence to pin the murder on
him, right?
(41:01):
Okay, until the saga thatstarts in 2007.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That's when I graduated.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
You're so young.
Thanks For the first timecompared to these people.
Okay, so a blood-stained shawlthat was claimed to have been
found near the body of katherineadawis is.
She was the first.
Um, she's the one with the ears.
She is number four, okay, fourso the shawl had been kind of
lost for a while because peopleknew there had been blood on it.
(41:30):
But yeah, the evidence was justokay.
They they couldn't find itright.
They didn't know who owned itshows up at this auction and
this researcher who'd beenlooking into the case for a long
time can you imagine that's onan auction?
Oh, I know crazy russelledwards buys it okay okay so
2007?
obviously, forensics are alittle bit different than they
(41:51):
are now.
We didn't't have that wholeancestry, all that kind of stuff
, right?
So while, yes, you could testblood, the familial,
generational, historical DNA wasnot as prevalent.
So he does analyze it.
They find that there's a coupleof different blood types on
there.
You know some that matchesCatherine, but there's also some
(42:12):
semen and some other blood.
So the dna was compared toliving relatives of many of
subjects, right?
Or suspects, including thekosminski's, okay.
And in 2019, they finally wereable to test the mitochondrial
DNA and find a match with one ofthe Kaminsky Kazminski family
(42:36):
members OK.
So the blood on the shawl foundat the murder scene?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
This is my dream.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
And the semen, the DNA matches to a living
Kazminski.
Oh, my dream.
That's why you did start tohear about him back again in
2019.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
And since then, a multitude of tests has been done
to identify and certify the DNA.
They've certified the shawl,they've done DNA on other
victims, family members andsuspects.
So now they have not only thesuspect matching, they have the
victim 100 matching.
(43:14):
So they do know it is katherineand dowis's blood.
So now you have kind of, yeah,this validation on both sides
right.
So it did seem to be solved,right.
So around 2019.
Edward says it's a voyage ofdiscovery with many twists and
turns.
This adventure has beenchilling from the beginning to
the end and I'm lucky toexperience it.
(43:36):
Okay, this has been around nowfor what it's?
2025, about six years.
But it was in February of thisyear that Edward and the family
of the victims finally haveenough of this evidence where
they've ruled out so many otherpeople.
They've ruled in Kosminski anddone all this DNA testing on the
suspects and the victims towhere now they can say with 100%
(44:00):
certainty they are sure it hadto be Aaron, it's not.
This just came out February25th, okay.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
This is wild.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now, the reason all these articles have come out is
because Edwards and the familiesare now working with a legal
team to officially request thatthe attorney general and the
Scotland Yard name AaronKosminski as the killer.
Though, is because back in 2019, edwards made a very similar
(44:32):
request and then AttorneyGeneral Sir Michael Ellis denied
it, saying there was notsufficient evidence, which is
why, for the past six years,they have gathered every bit of
evidence to rule out andvalidate theirs.
So we've known it for a while.
I mean, russell has basicallyknown this since 2007.
(44:54):
They're just trying to get itconfirmed.
Yeah, like a hundred percentconfirmed, right?
So like for now officials tocome out and say which will
probably happen, hopefully thisyear next that jack the Jack the
Ripper was 100% Aaron Kosminski, which is fucking wild.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
But it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Right, I do have two fun facts to leave you with here
.
One is a quote from KarenMiller, the great, great, great
granddaughter of CatherineDallas.
Oh, and she said having thekiller's name in official
records would bring justice tovictims who were not able to get
justice so, so long ago.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh, I have goosebumps .
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Now I told you about a thing I did Monday.
So this past Monday I went outand I made a new friend of
somebody from a local paranormalinvestigating group that I want
to start getting involved withI know you're going to start
coming when you can, yeah, andshe had been listening to the
podcast and she said that we dida really good job with HH
Holmes.
She liked our angle on it,which was nice to hear.
(45:58):
Then she said something aboutlike you know, I like that.
You brought up that a lot ofpeople thought he was Jack, but
that it couldn't have been.
Do you hear they found him?
I'm like, yes, that right now.
That's hilarious.
I said there's just one thingthat doesn't sit right with me,
because we started to discuss itand she goes.
Well, what's that?
I said well, everything said hehad to be medically trained.
(46:18):
Yeah, because how was he doingthis?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Right, like the precision and the cuts and
everything, and he was a barber.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
And she said many medical doctors in the 1800s
weren't trained to open bodiesas that was unpure medical
practice Cause, remember, a lotof doctors were just like their
bags and their selves and doorto door they weren't doing full
surgeries.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
So this would explain why the Polish barber would
have had anatomy knowledge.
Because barbers were given theor taught the skills on how to
use blades in the way thatdoctors wouldn't want to do.
That were unpure.
So things like simple surgeries, bloodletting, removal of
things on your skin and simplemedical procedures were done by
(47:05):
barbers.
They were medically trained.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Right, so thank you, dawn.
I appreciate you for that.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
And I'm also sorry, dawn, because I did have to fact
check you and Google didconfirm and says historically,
particularly in the Middle Agesand the Renaissance, barbers
were known as barber surgeonsand they performed medical
procedures like minor surgeries,dental extractions and others
alongside their traditionalduties.
So even more evidence like thatwas the part that wasn't
(47:36):
sitting well with me.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Wow, I'm surprised that wasn't brought up in any of
your research.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I know Well that.
So the research, my articlesthat I use were very different.
There was a bunch of like whathappened and then I found a
bunch of them just explaininghow they linked Aaron to it.
So I could see that Aaron wasone of the original, but yeah,
somehow that no, but I'm justsurprised that, like that
correlation didn't get broughtup.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Well, that's why.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Because Aaron was always a suspect.
But they're always like, well,he was just like a crazy barber
in the area, like people weren't, I think they were trying to
tie the more famous people tothe case, so that a lot of that
research didn't focus on thefact that barbers would have
been trained incredible.
Oh, I want to solve a murderthis has to be like one of the
first times in two and a halfyears of doing this where we can
(48:26):
sit here at the end and go weknow we know what happened.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
This one's solved ancestry.
Sponsor us right, um.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
So now I also have another admission to make.
Is I always give you shit whenyou don't have a question for me
?
And as we're like starting todo this, I pull up the script
and you know we're doing ouropening and I realized that on
my script the question area isblank and I am so glad I
remember that moment last weekwhere you brought up the
ancestry.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I was going to call you out because I was going to
ask you if I didn't have myresults back yet, how was that
question going to go?
So I was actually already goingto call you out.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
We record the weekly episodes back to back.
So she only told me about thatabout an hour before we started
recording.
So it teed it up perfectly andI pulled that out of my ass.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I know it was just like me.
Um, wow, uh.
Good job, dude.
Thank you.
Anytime you can talk about jackthe ripper, I love that.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I know it's horrific and you did a very good job of
like holding back the horroryeah, but because even just the
way the bodies were and, uh, howthey were treated, the it is
probably one of the darkesttales of all time.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
It's awful, awful, yeah, but good job.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
That was crazy but yeah, now we know, and isn't it
like kind of I don't know?
I was kind of bummed that Iended up being a polish person.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Oh, my gosh, shut the hell up.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Who cares, as as it's solved and it's like one of
those things where it's we'regoing to have to keep our eye on
it for when it's like officialofficial.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, and we'll have to post back, post back, report
back.
I have to pee so bad, the peeis hurting my brain.
But great job, that was great.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Thank you, and I'm impressed that we did that in
under an hour, because thatcould have easily been a three,
four parter but we're at 59minutes, they'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
All right, that was great thank you, thank you, um.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I guess, for this one, what kind of emoji is there
?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
a little church emoji for like white chapel yeah,
we'll do that do a church in aknife chart, or there might be a
barber um oh, like a straightrazor yeah, thank you church and
a straight razor.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Oh dark oh, yeah, for real well I mean fitting um,
all right, what?
What do these little oddballsneed to do before we close up
the shop for the day?
Speaker 1 (50:49):
the only thing that these little oddballs need to do
is to creep a real.
You little oddballs.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Goodbye, bye, maybe see you in two days.
Ah, bye, thank you, I'm out.
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