May 8, 2025 • 55 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Zach is chatting all about the mysteries of Crater Lake.
Join us as we plunge into the mysteries of Crater Lake, Oregon – a place where the veil between worlds seems eerily thin.
We explore the lake's many enigmas: the Old Man of the Lake (a tree that has inexplicably floated upright for over a century), mysterious islands where phantom campers appear without boats, and countless Bigfoot encounters surrounding its shores. We'll share the disturbing story of Charles McCuller, whose remains were found in a way that defies explanation, and the heartbreaking disappearance of six-year-old Sammy Boehlke who vanished without a trace.
From military planes that seemed to slip through reality to UFO activity that indigenous people have documented for generations, Crater Lake collects strange phenomena like the precipitation that feeds its crystal-clear waters.
Whether you're fascinated by cryptids, ghosts, disappearances, or ancient spiritual sites, Crater Lake offers a perfect storm of high-strangeness. Have you ever visited? We'd love to hear your experiences?
Refs:
- https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2009/10/more-few-ghost-stories-swirl-about-crater-lake-national-park4821
- https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/nature/oregon/sinister-story-crater-lake-or
- https://www.ancienthistoryfangirl.com/2023/07/27/the-haunting-of-crater-lake-the-show-notes/
- https://coffeehousewriters.com/oregons-crater-lake-mysteries/
- https://ghostedtravel.com/crater-lake-lodge/
- https://www.southernoregontours.com/blog/myths-and-legends
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crater_Lake
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IDshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theOddity Shop.
(00:29):
What's up, you little oddballs?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the podcast where
we tell you creepy, odd, weird,strange and bizarre stories from
around the world.
Hello, curator Cara.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hello, I was going to say I'm your Curator, cara.
This is your other Curator,zachary.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm good.
I am fully caffeinated.
I am unfully full.
I'm a little bit hungry, so mystomach might make noises.
Yeah, it's 1030.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm on my third coffee.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh my God, I would die I started at like 630.
Not that that makes it anybetter but, so what's new with
you?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I don't think much.
It's a very gloomy morning here.
Is it gloomy there?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know it is, but I'm wearing shorts and I was
able to comfortably do sooutside, so I'm not going to
complain about that.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It is 52 here.
It's supposed to be like 70today and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, it's like pushing 60 here already, so
let's look the humidity helps.
Dude, you know what I forgot totell you about and everybody
else.
I went on that a couple weeksago.
The little ghost hunt toRobinson man manor it was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
What'd you find?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
um, you know, we got it wasn't the most active
evening.
Uh, we had some stuff with themag light giving us a little bit
of either.
Kind of felt like sometimeintelligent response kind of
felt, maybe more like residual,like somebody was kind of just
walking past, it got to playwith the.
The seer three out in the fieldfrom lauren haunts that's
exciting and we got to show itoff.
(02:08):
Everyone was really likeexcited to see.
Oh, I bet everyone was so ampedbecause that sound is so eerie
and awesome yes, that that thingis freaking amazing.
Um, what I wanted to share withyou, though, from it well, I
kind of told you already, butthere's a gentleman there who's
doing psychometry, where heholds objects and like you could
(02:28):
bring, like you know, thingsthat belong to a loved one or
whatever, and he would tell youabout it.
Well, I'm like realize, I don't, I forgot that was part of the
event, didn't bring anythinguntil I remembered you were
giving me shit about it veryrecently.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
There's that piece of the asylum that was still in my
car from the traverse citystate asylum that we all
collectively wanted to kill zachfor stealing anyways.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So I give it to this guy and I mean, it literally
looks like like a piece of bark,like it.
You, you can't you can't tellwhat the hell it is you really
immediately.
He's like this is from a floorand like he's just kind of you
know, at first I'm likeeverything he's telling me about
it is kind of I felt likegrasping for straws.
So I just sat there pretty muchemotionless would just say okay
(03:11):
.
And he's like I feel like thisis from a cabin.
Everything else is renovatedaround it and just so everyone
knows it came from like one ofthe unrenovated dorm building.
See a lot of trees, a lot ofwater.
All of a sudden he's like isthis from traverse city?
Like literally gets the city.
I've told him nothing aboutthis.
We're in alleghen, michigan,and he's like I feel like there
was like a lot of people whofelt like family, like a lot of
(03:32):
emotion in this and he literallydescribed like the building
that it came from without he.
He never put together that itwas from the asylum, but had the
city, the location, how it wasrenovated, what it looked like
inside, all from this, and thenhe sets it down, then he goes.
I don't know, I'm probably alittle bit wrong.
I feel like tonight I haven'tbeen getting things right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm like and what you had said is that everybody else
was bringing like familyheirlooms, like necklaces and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So he's probably like oh, I think he was trying to
figure out how to connect it tome, because he's like I feel
like it's connected, like notdirectly to you, but you know,
like the people who were herefelt like family and it was, um,
he's like.
You know, I feel like peoplelived here their entire lives,
but not generations, like it wasjust, it was very, very spot on
.
I looked at him, I'm like, yeah, you are 100 right, like that's
(04:22):
from the asylum in traverse.
And I asked him after that Isaid you know, this is something
I felt like I probablyshouldn't have done.
I, knowing what I know now,like I wouldn't have taken it.
You know, and I've alwaysattributed this to bad luck with
my car what are your thoughts?
He goes well, it has a lot ofenergy.
It's not he goes.
It can kind of shift.
Some days it might be betterthan others he goes, but just
(04:43):
like I get a sense that it needsto like be displayed and not
hidden away.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So it is now displayed in the office and
should be much happier well, hewas just kind of saying, just so
, like that the memories can beyeah so it can be yeah,
presented and kind of notcelebrated.
But well, it makes sense maybebecause all of the bad things
that were done there were tried.
They were quote-unquote hidden,they were tried to be covered
(05:08):
up.
So it makes sense that ifyou're locking it in your glove
department like, you're alsotrying to hide and cover up, so
if you're displaying itbeautifully, the stories could
be maybe kind of told so that'sso.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Now I have a nice little display box.
It's been cleaned and cleansed.
So yeah, that's my excitement.
Nothing else too new all right.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, it is still an earlier episode that we're
recording because we've gotstuff to do.
It's a wonderful saturday andwe got things we gotta do so
you're saying we should open thedamn shop I'm thinking we
should open the shop because Igotta make so many more
bracelets oh boy, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, okay, I have a question for you.
What is the question?
Have you ever been to kitchitykippy?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
yeah, dang, you should have told me I would have
worn my sweater.
Oh man, okay, I even have ashirt or a sweater, fair enough.
But um, oh, side note, I wasgonna make bracelets that said
fair enough, would y'all wantthose?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
yes, okay, I want one .
Okay.
So for anybody who hasn't beenthere though, it's a giant
natural spring in north michigan, but the thing is is the?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
water is super clear and super deep, like it
literally like the edge of itjust drops off.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
What is it?
A couple hundred feet rightyeah, do you?
Ever go swimming in somethinglike that there.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I think I would, because I feel like, because you
can see it's so clear, but it'sgross, though I don't actually
know if I would it's actuallyreally clean um, but it's still
kind of swampy around thoughwell, because there's no shore,
it's like all the trees.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I know it's so weird because, like all the trees at
the edge fall into it and thenthere's those giant fish like
hundreds of feet down.
I literally get like a veryintense anxiety when I think
about swimming and somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
See, it would creep me out more if it was that and I
couldn't see.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I don't even think I could like people kayak across
it.
I don't know if I could do that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh, I could, I could do that easily.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Oh, I don't know why it gives me such a weird feeling
.
Interesting, okay, so you canimagine that.
Can you imagine it way fuckingbigger?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I mean I can, but everybody should pause right now
and go look at a picture ofthis so we see we're all on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yes, I can, but then I also cannot okay, perfect,
while you Google up once youlook at that, we're going to
look at a very similar body ofwater that's a couple miles
across.
Interesting Because today we'regoing to Oregon and we're
obviously going to be talkingabout a lake, one that we
mentioned relatively recentlyand I said, oh man, I got gotta
(07:41):
do a whole episode on this.
This has native land, oddformations, ghosts, deaths, ufos
, monsters, every fucking thingthat we talk about.
We're going to crater lake baby.
When did we?
It was like three or fourepisodes back.
I can't remember why wementioned it, but I you said
something about.
I'm like it's a really oddplace.
We need to do an episode aboutit.
(08:02):
So I immediately for once wroteit down and now we're gonna
cover it do they?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
okay, let's go what's your question?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I don't know, I was okay.
You think on it, you ponder onit.
When you remember, you let meknow.
So I think.
Crater lake though is and Ifollow this woman on tiktok who
always talks about spooky lakesand stuff Crater Lake is by far
the spookiest one I have ever,ever come across.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I've heard a lot of creepiness, but I can't pinpoint
exact stories, so I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And that's why there's a lot of stories.
They go really wide but notreally deep.
So we're going to go.
We're going to touch on a lotof shit here, so we're going on
a wild ride.
But for those who don't know,Crater Lake is located in south
central Oregon.
It's the main feature of CraterLake National Park Who'd have
thought that?
And it's not really far fromlike Klamath Falls, which is
(08:54):
another place that is supernative, very spiritual, high
energy, OK.
So do you know how Crater Lakewas formed at all?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
From a crater.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Technically, yes, it's a crater at the top of a
volcano called Mount MazamaMazama, so it's the caldera.
So basically, over 7,000 yearsago the volcano blew and, like
you know, mount St Helens hasthat big caldera on it.
It's where the top blew off andnow it's a crater.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You know, what's also really weird is our last
episode, depending on when we dothis.
We just talked about Mount StHelens.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I know I was thinking that.
Okay, so the crater lake formedon top of where this volcano
blew.
Now there's a giant crater, butthe weird thing is is it's one
of the only lakes in the US thathas no inlet or outlet, so
there's nothing that feeds in.
There's no rivers that come in.
There's no rivers that go out.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So then, is it actually considered a lake?
Isn't a lake a yes Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's still considered a lake because on the mountain
it collects the snowfall, thesnow melt and rain.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And that's what classifies you as a lake-ish.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I think if it wasn't so massive massive it wouldn't
be considered a lake.
Okay, I'm gonna searchclassifications of lakes while
you continue, you, you do that.
But the thing is, because itcomes from precipitation, that's
like naturally filtered.
It's super, super clean, soit's like almost caribbean deep
blue.
You can see for hundreds offeet down and, due to
(10:23):
evaporation and precipitation,like the water just totally
replaces itself every 150 years,so it just stays freaking clean
.
That's crazy.
It's also the deepest lake,yeah, is it?
Yes, it's the deepest lake inthe United States, with a total
depth of 1949 feet, and it's11th in the world for deepest,
(10:45):
which is insane when you have nolike actual source feeding it
other than precipitation that'sweird.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So the classification of a lake is a large,
relatively deep body of standingwater, typically surrounded by
land, where sunlight can't reachthe bottom in all areas and it
doesn't have regular currentslike rivers.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Okay, so yeah, cool.
It's a real lake Kara.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I wasn't saying it wasn't, I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So in Crater Lake there's actually two islands
that we're going to talk about.
There's a couple otherlandmasses.
It's actually really funny.
One of them does have a pond inthe middle that has a boulder
in the middle of it.
So if you think, about itthere's an island in the lake
and the island in the lake, yeah, on top of a mountain.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
An island in a lake, an island in the lake Wait, yep
so the boulder in a pond, on anisland in the lake.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, okay, I feel like we're about to start saying
there's a hole in the bottom ofthe sea.
Yeah, okay.
So the two islands that we'regoing to talk about, there's a
wizard island and phantom shipisland.
Oh, I want to go to phantomship island.
I knew you would.
It's also about five by sixmiles across.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Now I had also heard that there's fish in there, and
for the longest time.
I'm like how the fuck do fishget into this place if it just
okay, it was stocked.
It was stocked by humans, soit's not that exciting.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, I was thinking that, like a bird that caught a
fish somewhere else could havelike dropped it or something.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, no, it was humans, of course.
Well, so that's the one mysterywe're going to solve today.
It's also come on.
It's a Zach story, so it's onnative land.
Well, what isn't?
They've done archaeologicaldigs right, and they're finding
(12:39):
artifacts like sandals and othertools and stuff from natives
underneath the layers of dust,which means they were there for
over 7,000 years, which is wildto think about.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Because if it's below the eruption in the dig and it
erupted 7,700 years.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So it's it's been their land for a very long time.
Yeah, and this uh belonged tothe klamath tribe there.
I'm going to give you from alittle bit of reading from
wikipedia on them.
So their oral history describestheir ancestors witnessing the
collapse of mount mazama and theformation of Crater Lake.
They regard the lake as anabode to the Great Spirit.
(13:12):
Klamath oral history tells of abattle between the sky, god Skel
, and the god of the underworld,lao, and Mount Mazama was
destroyed in the battle creatingCrater Lake, called the Jiwas
in the Klamath language, theklamath people used crater lake
and vision quests, which alsooften involved climbing the
caldera walls and otherdangerous tasks.
Those who were successful insuch quests were often regarded
(13:35):
as having more spiritual powers,and the tribe still holds
crater lake in high regard as aspiritual site.
Okay, cool.
So basically, this is in theirhistory where, like, the battle
of good and evil took place andit destroyed the mountain and
created the lake which we love agood, good and evil story right
good and evil takeover so thecreation of crater lake is also
(13:57):
said to almost be a doorway or acrossroads between the darkness
of the below world of hell.
There's a lot of superstitionthat um came from the natives,
that if a person stares at thelake surface too long, you
almost get like mesmerized andunable to look away, and that if
you stare long enough, the lakeshould be able to trap people
(14:19):
and lure them to their deaths,because it's a portal to the
underworld so are we going totalk about hades no, actually.
So there's no mention of hadesbut lao, and I think I'm saying
that right l l a out a o, Ithink yeah I think it is like
their version of hades okay, Ineed to cover hades because I'd
be loving them, yes yes, you dookay.
(14:42):
So obviously we could talk aboutlake and history all day, but
that ain't what this freakingpodcast about.
So let's start.
You want to start with theislands yeah cool, we're gonna
start with wizard island,because I want to save yours for
okay, I was gonna say darn, butthen I'm actually happy wizard
island or wizard hat island,wizard hat island yes, I think
(15:03):
I've seen it called both justwizard island and wizard hat
island, but it literally lookslike a wizard's hat, which, you
know, is where it gets oh, theisland's like, shaped like that
cute.
Okay, yes in the caldera anothersmaller eruption happened which
formed this new dome kind of inthe middle of it.
So it sticks out of the water.
But it's not the weird shapethat give us people, the
heebie-jebies, it's the campersand an island in the middle of
(15:25):
the lake that no boats.
Well, I mean you can take yourboat too, but when the campers
are seen, no boats have gonethere.
So, okay, the rangers willregularly investigate the island
because they get constantreports of people having fires
and moving about the island.
So you'll see smoke, you'll seefires, you'll see people
(15:46):
walking around, and as you getto the island, there is nobody
there.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Where are we seeing this from?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Wizard Hat Island is basically able to be seen from
all the shores, so almost allthe shores on a cliff, looking
down into it because it's on thecaldera.
Okay, I understand, so you cansee it from all the sides.
People can see it from theirboats so interesting yeah, so
they'll go to investigatebecause you're not supposed to
(16:13):
be like camping on the islandand literally nobody will be
there are you allowed to visitthe island or no?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think so, but you just can't camp right, right,
okay.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now a lot of people tend to like say or claim right,
there's no way we can provethis, but that it's the trapped
souls of those who died in theeruption 7,000 years ago.
Okay, so we're starting prettytame.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I guess like okay, whatever, go on.
I was thinking that like,because you're saying you can
see this from the shore, becauseyou're saying you can see this
from the shore.
So I'm just thinking in my head, if you're going to see like
fire at night, like campers,then like what are you doing
late at night on the shore?
But it could just be mayberangers seeing it.
But if they're gettingcomplaints, Well, you can.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There's also a camping lodge on the shore.
You can camp, it's a nationalpark.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, okay, okay this makes so much.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
There's tons.
It's a huge, huge touristlocation.
Okay, I got it.
I get it Cool.
So your island.
Then the Phantom Ship Island,this one you should Google this.
It looks really cool, but it'ssort of ship-shaped.
Obviously.
It's these like super talljutting rocks coming out of the
water.
This island is like 500 by 200feet, but it's named this
because one.
When it sort of looks like aship, but in the right weather
(17:26):
condition so foggy, low light itstarts to like look like it
appears mysteriously out of thewater and then disappears.
And a lot of people havemistaken it over time for a
ghost ship, like they used toreport, like the ship just came
out of nowhere and woulddisappear I do understand where
you're coming from, but italmost looks more like a castle
to me.
Yeah, it's just a really uniquelandmark Now that one it doesn't
(17:49):
have too much paranormal otherthan the fact that you know it
tricks people into thinking it'sa boat or not, but it's just
kind of showing there's a lot ofreally weird formation around
here.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, it does look very, very strange.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Okay, I promise we're gonna get more strange as we go
on, though.
So, aside from the natural likegiant landmarks like that,
there's another landmark atcrater lake that moves all
around crater lake.
It's probably like the mostfamous landmark that it has.
Yeah, it's called the old manof the lake.
Have you ever heard of this?
(18:22):
I don't think so okay so the oldman of the lake is a petrified
mountain hemlock tree.
It's at least 35 feet tall andfor some reason it floats
vertically in the water.
So, like the top four feet ofthe trunk stick out of the water
floating with the base down andset, you know, most logs would
float on their side.
(18:42):
It has been floating in thislake since at least 1896 and
it's for sure the same.
It's for sure the same, yeah.
So it travels about four milesa day all around this lake.
This is so cute it was firstwritten about by joseph dillard
in 1902.
He's the one who saw it into uh1896 and it has been carbon
(19:04):
dated and shows it being atleast 450 years old.
We just don't know when it fellinto the water.
It's preserved by the waterbecause the water is really cold
.
Okay, it's turned completelywhite.
A lot of people say it lookslike a giant bone stub sticking
out of the water, which for methe thalassophobia like what are
we calling it?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
the old man?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
the old man.
Yeah, it would totally freak meout.
I don't know why I seen thatstuff like oh, but it's like the
um, what's it called?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
the effect where it's the last of phobia.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think I just said it wrong, whatever whatever so
submechanophobia, anything big,weird things in the water, I
don't know.
Give us any heebie-jeebies, um.
So here's the thing though.
Oh yeah, it's.
It's been floating there forhundreds of years and there's
some superstition tied to it, sothe rangers used to like jump
(19:54):
off boats and like one of theirrites of passage was getting
their picture taken climbing upon there.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, I was just gonna say there's a ton of
pictures of people sitting on it.
So, people, I don't know if youwant, if you're a visual, oh my
god, if you're a visual or if,oh my God, if you're a visual
person, you need to not think ofit as like a little tree.
It's a huge, huge, huge treelooking thing.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh yeah, no, it's big enough for a human being to sit
on top of.
So, according to this ranger,dave Grimes, up off their boats
to get their picture taken there.
He said we don't like to messwith the old man Because, you
(20:32):
see, in 1988, a party ofsubmarine explorers feared that
while they were doing someresearch, that they might
accidentally hit the old man anddamage their submarine.
They harnessed it, hauled himoff towards shore and tied him
off, of course, on the coast ofWizard Island, because why not
give the old man his hat?
That just seems like a terriblefucking idea.
As soon as the tree wastethered, the weather turns ugly
.
The wind blew, white caps formand storms blew in immediately.
(20:55):
It then starts to snow inAugust, jesus Christ.
The researchers fearing thatthey did something, they decided
to cut the old man free freeand almost immediately the
weather clears up.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So do we know how long this goes into the water?
35 feet 35 feet.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Okay, yep, it's a massive tree.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, it's just, that's just weird to me.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So and they don't know why it floats vertically.
Some people think it's like thedensity increased as it soaked
the water.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Because if you're sitting on it, wouldn't you
think that then it would liketeeter and like.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Another theory is that there's weights tied to the
bottom of it, but that wouldthose weights stay there for
hundreds of years.
The other thing too is why.
So it makes sense to me like,okay, a petrified tree,
something's holding it upright,it can't be the only hemlock.
Why aren't there other old menfloating around the lake?
Like other trees of the exactsame species had to have fallen
(21:54):
in here, it doesn't make senseto me of why there's only one is
there other living ones aroundor no?
not anymore.
Yeah no, it's like it's apretty common tree in that area
okay huh, but, and most of them,as they petrify, end up sinking
right it.
This is weird.
It's now like that's one of themost famous landmarks to look
for.
There's people who track whereit is every day and it's like
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kind of cute.
That's cute.
Nobody knows why this oneparticular one has been floating
there, but they do not tie itoff anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, no don't, I wouldn't even sit on it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So we've got weird landmarks so far.
I'll give you the choice Do youwant murder and mystery, next
Cryptids and monsters, or UFOs?
Uh I, next cryptids andmonsters, or ufos?
Uh oh, I feel like give mecryptids.
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So let's go then to thecryptids and the monsters.
Obviously no surprise here,because, uh, we're in oregon
that's why I was like I wantcryptids oh yeah, it is pretty
much the number one state forcryptid sightings.
And our boy Bigfoot.
Okay, whoop, whoop.
There are multiple reports ofBigfoot every year, pretty much
monthly, regularly.
He is seen all over the trailson the edges of Crater Lake.
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He's never been seen on theislands or anything.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But there is a really famous story of the rangers
once receiving some reports of aweird creature and they start
to follow this large, dark,putrid smelling creature through
the woods Until at one point itkind of lost them, circled back
behind them and startedscreaming and throwing pine
cones at them, so they decidedto give up on the chase.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I mean, that's what I would do if somebody was
following me.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Right, scream and throw pine cones.
Why not?
It's a great plan.
Crater Lake isn't even just thespot of Bigfoot sightings, but
two Bigfoot deaths.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Wait like natural deaths.
No unfortunately because humansruin everything.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
One by car, and the body was whisked away by
government agents, and the otherby train wait, were these both
accidental?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
then yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So yeah all right, uh , well, you're gonna get upset
about the train one in a second.
It was accidental, but itwasn't reported until a couple
years later because the peopledriving the train were drinking
on the job I guess if you'regonna drink on any driving
driving thing, any type ofautomobile, I guess a train
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would probably be the safestright.
Yeah, because I mean, unlessyou derail it.
But yeah, I get your logic.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
But then you hit a big foot, so you're true, I
guess I don't know if you wouldhave been able to not hit it if
you weren't drunk.
Yeah, drunk or not, you'reprobably going to hit it with
the train.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You can't really stop them.
In June of 1976, the park'schief naturalist, george
Morrison, claims that he saw aBigfoot or Sasquatch, cross the
road at dusk and head into theAnnie Creek Canyon.
Morrison said the uprightcreature took only four steps to
cross the four lane road.
Wow, well, that makes sense.
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He's like their chiefnaturalist.
He's an experienced natureobserver and said he couldn't
find any footprints.
But this thing is not anythinghe had ever seen before and he
was like pretty shaken by this.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's always the experienced people.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Right, at least we have a reputable one um.
Five years later we haveanother visitor, roger wade.
He sees an upright sasquatch.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
50 yards in front of his car yeah reputable, it's
reputable, it's a reputable,like your reputation.
Potato, potato reputable.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'm gonna look this up later and see who's right.
I'm probably wrong, um, okay,so anyways, the roger wade.
He sees an upright sasquatch 50yards in front of his car.
Three miles west of any springoh my god sorry people see it
running all the time on allfours.
I've never heard of that.
Look at any grainy video.
When they go running that theygo gorilla style, okay, anyways,
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his written statement describedthe creature as six feet tall
your favorite, pulling heightout of their ass with light
brown, cinnamon colored hair.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
And.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Wade did claim to see that, or Wade claimed that he
found large footprints.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Okay, so one didn't, one did.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yes, okay, all right.
So that's the Bigfoot sightings.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
If you were to see a bigfoot, what color would you
prefer?
It to be cinnamon brown.
I know that's kind of what Ivisualize, always it but yeah,
some people say, like black hairthat just doesn't.
No, no, it doesn't fit for mein my head.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
That's somebody in a ghillie suit.
Okay, of course, though, likewe're not gonna get through a
creepy like story without awater monster, as well, yeah, I
was.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
That's what I thought we were going with first.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Now, surprisingly, there's a lot less of this than
there is Bigfoot.
But what people start to see isweird disturbances at the top.
So like a lot of the cliffslooking over the lake are really
high up and look down on it, sothey see a lot of weird
disturbances at the top of thewater that make them think
there's something large.
Now the natives.
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They do think that Lao, if I'msaying that correctly resides in
the lake, which he's kind ofthe representative of the evil,
right?
Okay, yeah, there's not manysightings, except for in 2002, a
group of friends were touringin a rowboat which is the last
thing I want to see a fuckingsea monster in.
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And Mrs Maddie Hatcher looksover the side and she sees
something swimming downunderneath the boat that
shouldn't be there, she says toreporters in the Fort Meyer Star
News.
She said this thing must havebeen a city block long.
To me it looked exactly like adragon.
I have no idea.
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That would terrify me.
Now there's the weirddisturbances on the top of the
sea.
I think this is probably, ifI'm gonna give it some thought
about, what it could be.
I'm thinking it's probably justsomething more elemental in
nature that maybe shows up likekind of like sam was saying
shows up differently todifferent people yeah, um, I
like her thought process andgiving a description of how big
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it is, because to me that makesmore sense.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's like a city block, instead of saying it was
right like an exact yeah, yeah,yeah, like a good comparison.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I appreciate her for that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But I do think that you know.
You said there wasn't a lot ofsightings in the water at least
that makes sense to me, though,because of how deep it is and
how, like we don't know, halfthe species that are real quote
unquote real now.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So that always makes sense to me when there's like I
don't think this could beanything real because, remember,
the only living things that arein this lake have been stocked
by humans.
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So I think it's more elemental.
I mean it could be, but itstill could be a lake monster,
because we don't know how lakemonsters survive.
They might not need anything.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
To disprove this one a little bit.
Possibly this is a possibleexplanation.
To disprove her sighting yes,okay, at least hers now the
disturbances on water, but therewas, in 1977, a uh, really
terrible b movie that was like aplay on the loch ness monster
called uh, the crater lakemonster.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So there could have been some ideas planted, but got
you so, surprisingly though, wereally only have two monsters
out here that is surprising, butthen also not because, like you
just said it could, it'sprobably more elemental, it's
probably more spiritual, likethe native american things like
that.
So I guess I I guess it soundssurprising with the description
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of this location but at the sametime I I get why perfect, all
right.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Ghosts, murder and mystery ufo what next?
Oh god yeah, we got a lot toget through let's do murder
perfect, okay, so far we've gotsome monster sightings, we've
got some weird geography.
What are your thoughts beforewe get into the murder and
mystery?
Like do you, do you think thisplace is kind of weird?
Do you think this is normal?
Like where are you at?
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Oh, of course it's weird.
Like, do you believe in all theparanormal stuff so far?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Of course.
Why are you even asking?
I don't know why.
I'm even asking you that youbelieve anything.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I tell you Okay, so we're going to get into.
There's a shit ton of peoplewho die, people who go missing,
people who unfortunately taketheir own lives.
Of course, we could literallydo three episodes on all those,
so we're just going to touch ona few of the weird ones.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Okay, let's go baby.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So the first is Mr Charles McCuller.
He was an outdoorsman andphotographer from Virginia who,
at the age of 19, heads out toCrater Lake for a few days.
He's going to take some photos.
It's 1975.
Okay, so he was supposed to begone just for two days and he
went by himself, by himself.
Yep, he was supposed to go backto a friend's house, but he
never returns.
Okay, so his disappearance isinvestigated.
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Plenty of people witnessed himaround the lake, but nobody
could pinpoint.
The last time he was seen,right, okay, over pinpoint.
Like the last time he was seen,right, okay.
Over a year goes by.
There's search by crown, by air, involvement with the fbi, and
he's finally found, well,portions of him.
Well, right, okay.
October 13th 1976, two hikersfrom texas make a wrong turn
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while traveling through the park.
They end up in this like remotepart of a bog area called
sphagnum bog.
Upon arrival they find an old,dirty backpack.
This was in 76.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Right when did he take his 75 as a year?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
cool.
A day later, the rangers showup in the area, ultimately
coming across the remains ofcharles mcculler.
They can tell because the bagof his car keys are in there.
The cameras are gone, but he'sabout 12 miles from the the
trailhead.
I could tell you about it, butI found a reddit story that
really sums it up well, and Iknow you love reddit.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Why is this giving me , like blair witch, vibes?
I?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
was thinking more like into the wild vibes a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Okay, read the reddit read the reddit redditor, non,
non, n-o-n-n-a-a-n.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Has this to say.
So Charles' remains werebizarre.
His jeans were reportedlyunbuttoned and the belt had come
undone.
In his pants, investigatorsfound broken off shin bones
sticking up.
Investigators also found footbones in his socks Okay, but the
rest of his skeletal remainsseemed to have vanished, except
the crown of his skull, whichwas found 12 feet away.
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So foot bones in a sock, shinbones in the pants and crown of
his head, and that's it.
That's it, nothing that's verystrange the.
The bag is there, the cameraequipment is gone, but his pants
weren't unbuttoned.
Pants were unbuttoned, no, buthis shirt and boots and coat are
gone.
The pants were found sitting ona, but all the money was gone
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out of the wallet.
Ugh, it's really like it seemstrue crimey, right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
No, there wasn't any blood or anything that they
could find.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, no blood and no other remains have ever been
found.
Like what?
How does?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, that's very weird, like what?
How does I don't know?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
okay, so in 2016, stephen mccullough wrote an
article about his missingbrother and this is really sad.
Oh, in it he throws is aninteresting conclusion, he said
if only those broken off shinbones could have talked to us,
what do you think they'd say?
I bet they'd say something likethis I hitched a ride with a
creepy guy who stole my cameraequipment money and shot me in
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the head.
Then, on a clear day in thedead of winter, he hauled a ride
with the creepy guy who stolemy camera equipment money and
shot me in the head.
Then, on a clear day in thedead of winter, he hauled my
body into the most remote partsof crater lake, took my shirt
and boots off, set me on a logand left, figuring the animals
would destroy the evidence byspring.
And hey, I guess it workedbecause the cops ruled my death
to be from natural causes.
My dad and family don't buy it,though.
That's what the like hisbrother wrote that from his
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perspective why does he thinkthat he got shot in the head?
because of the fact that he wasrobbed.
Obviously somebody like stagedthe way his body was out there.
I would think that he gotstabbed, um, and like how the
part of it yeah, it's, I mean,you just don't know there's
nothing, I don't know, but butit's so weird that, like to me,
animals wouldn't leave suchlittle of the bones to like the
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point where you couldn't findthem.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's weird no, that whole thing is really weird.
I was just thinking I wouldthink that he got stabbed or
something, because then therewouldn't be like potential
bullets evidence or anything.
But that's really weird, yeah,that's unsettling.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So that that's the one I've got for you on murder.
The other ones are going to bea little bit more on the weird
side of things.
Okay, so we have two strangedisappearances during World War
II.
So the first are two tornadobombers flying across the lake
in 1944.
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Okay, according to one pilot,the only surviving pilot.
As they neared the lake he tookthe lead.
Both men had been flying withabsolutely no issues, so they
were kind of side by side.
The one pulls in front clearday, kind of gets some speed
going, goes to look back tocheck on the other pilot.
He's gone.
He's gone.
He had only been out of visualrange for a short time, less
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than five minutes, went througha time slip.
Nothing came across the radio,no one saw any plane fall out of
the sky because it was still atourist area, right, it just
completely vanished.
Portal time slip Following year.
Or it went into the doorway tothe underworld.
Time slip the following year,or it went into the doorway to
the underworld the followingyear.
A group of seven Hellcat fighterplanes were headed north from
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California to Washington.
While over the park, theyencountered heavy fog.
When the squadron made it toclear skies, they found that one
aircraft flown by 22-year-oldFrank Lupo had gone missing.
So that was the last thatanyone had seen Lupo for nearly
25 years, until 1970.
What when a newly hired parkranger, dave badass last name,
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pain Breaker oh Was hiking thepark and he came across a human
skull.
I love this guy.
Where's the plane?
I wait for it.
I love this guy, though.
He takes the skull, he puts itin his backpack, heads to the
office, goes up to his brand newmanager and slams the skull on
his desk Love it.
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So the investigators go out tothe area.
He found it.
They're able to recover a pieceof the plane.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I guess I don't love that.
He touched it though.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Right, they use he touched it though.
Right, they use dental recordsto actually ID it.
Okay, but with the parts of theplane and what they had, they
were unable to identify whathappened to the plane to cause
it to also just fall right outof the plate or the sky but it
took 25 years to find that yeahthat seems so weird there are
tons of planes that just godisappearing over here.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
That seems so weird that.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I that, yeah, nobody finds this for 25 years.
And then he's hiking and theskull is visible, visible,
that's what I mean that'sfucking weird.
Okay, we have another.
This one is the last one's, sad, I'm sorry.
It's also one of the mostconfusing of the missing persons
cases out here.
Okay, and it's of Sam Bulkey,also known as Sammy.
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So in 2006, sammy and his dad,kenneth, are visiting the park.
The two stop to play on a hilland you know like, when it's
time to go, ken's like all right, sammy, like we got to go.
Sammy refuses to come down thehill.
He throws a little tempertantrum and goes down the other
side of the hill.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I'm sorry.
How old is he?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
he is six years old, oh okay, six or eight something,
little young, young kid.
He disappears out of the dad'ssight as he goes down the other
side of the hill and kennethnever sees sammy again, he so he
runs over.
Can't see the kid immediately.
A search was called.
They searched the ground withdogs.
They had helicopters and hecouldn't have got that far.
He's a little no.
Dogs briefly picked up hisscent.
Can't see the kid Immediately.
A search was called.
They searched the ground withdogs, they had helicopters.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He couldn't and he couldn't have got that far, he's
little.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
No Dogs.
Briefly picked up his scent,okay, but it led nowhere.
It's like all of a sudden hejust disappeared.
The other really horrible thingis that Sammy was autistic.
Oh, so he kind of you know,like I could see.
If nothing strange did happenhere, you would probably hide
from large groups of people.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
But that's why it's not too uncharacteristic that he
ran off and had a tempertantrum.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
So the time of the year that it was, though, it was
kind of near winter, so theydidn't think it was kidnapping
at all because they basicallytalked to everybody who was
around there.
There weren't many people inthe park at this time.
Eventually, the search iscalled off because it is now
fully winter a couple months inand they said if he was still
out there with the freezingtemperatures.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
There's no way.
Here's the thing he did.
Make it a nice bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Family took him in I I hope so, um still to this day
totallyolved and it is an activemissing persons case.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's sad, poor baby .
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But yeah.
So, like I said, though,there's a lot of accidental
deaths of people falling in thelake here there's lots of
murders that make it lookaccidental.
A lot of people who do taketheir own life.
There's not.
We don't know the reasons whypeople pass away so much here.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Something you know a lot of.
It's the remoteness or thebeauty of it.
But if we go back to thatnative legend about it being a
portal to the doorway and luringpeople in, makes sense Lao
spirit, you know All right, giveme the alien.
All right, you want aliens?
I'll give you the aliens.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Zach's wearing the perfect shirt for today.
He has a shirt that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I bought him.
I wore this one for you becauseit's got aliens, it's got
Bigfoot and Bigfoot, yes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
We're going to go to February 4th, okay.
I can't ever say February Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
February 4th 1997.
I like how you say it.
I know you do Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
A private pilot is flying near Diamond Lake
Junction east of Crater Lake andhe reports seeing three
disc-shaped objects speedingacross the evening sky.
Then he also sees that they'repursued by several jet
interceptors.
Oh, and that same evening tonsof people around the lake
respond or report hearing asonic boom that was loud enough
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to set off car alarms and stuffwhich could be the jets yeah, it
sounds like on this february4th they were chasing these
three discs around.
Now that was seen during day, sopeople could identify that it
was three disc-shaped UFOs.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So multiple people did see this, yep.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Okay, and it's been seen many, many times since, but
it's usually at night.
So a lot of people, instead ofseeing the disc, they say
there's these crazy lights thatare just always flying around
Crater Lake Interesting.
This has led a lot of people tothen further speculate as
they're doing a lot off of Newnew jersey and stuff now, with
everything going on, that theremight be an underwater ufo base
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here, because not only are allthese discs and lights seen so
often since, like the early 90s,they're also seen going in and
out of the water, which issomething we're hearing more and
more about ufos or maybe, youknow, multi-dimensional beings
or or something else going onother than aliens from other
planets.
But, like, I kind of think thatthis is a perfect place.
(41:04):
Oh yeah, ruling out that wedon't know what the UFOs are by
any means, this would be a greatplace for them to hide.
Super super deep place on top ofa mountain, like come on.
So the UFOs, though, have beenaround way more than just the
90s, when they started beingreported, because that's just
popularity of UFO reports, yeah,going back to the Klamath tribe
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, so the people who lived therefor thousands of years they
spoke about, and often about thesky, people who come down from
the heavens.
Sky people, so their legendsdescribe bright objects
descending from the sky andinteracting with the lake.
Elders spoke of strange beingsemerging from the lake itself,
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hinting at the uh ancient kindof connection between crater
lake and otherworldly visitors,and there are researchers who
think that this is actually someof the oldest account of UFO
activity and alien contact withhumans in the United States.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Wow, yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
We obviously, you know, you and me, our theories
of the monsters and the UFOs gohand in hand.
And whether it's from anotherplanet or a little bit
multidimensional, I'm notsurprised that we have a ton of
UFO and strange light anomaliesgoing on.
With all the Bigfoot sightings.
By any means.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
One day I'm going to remember what episode it was and
I'm going to go find it and I'mgoing to figure out how to clip
the audio where you made fun ofme so bad when I said I thought
Bigfoots were interdimensionaland you could use trees as
portals and stuff and youclowned me so hard.
And now and now I've heard itfrom other professionals and now
you're like you know whatActually?
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Actually, actually, actually Listen, we learn and we
grow.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I know, ok, I just every time you bring it up.
I have to just bring up how youclowned me so hard.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
You're making me believe more things.
You actually.
Are you ready for the damnghost?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
at me so hard and like I was, like whatever I was
sticking with it.
Never laugh at you, I'd laughwith you somebody figure out
what episode that was for me.
Thanks, okay, yeah, I want tohear the hot guys okay.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So monsters, ufos, landmarks not enough, uh-uh, we
gotta have ghosts, and wealready talked about the wizard
island ones.
But that is not even the likehalf of it, okay.
So you don't even have to gonear the water or the islands,
you can just stay at Crater LakeLodge, let's do it.
Built in 1915, meant to be aretreat for the visitors Nobody
(43:31):
knows why, but a lot of thevisitors just don't tend to
leave and hang out throughoutthe years.
But a lot of the visitors justdon't tend to leave and hang out
throughout the years.
According to investigating thePNWcom, pacific Northwest,
guests have reported nightterrors that prevent them from
sleeping, as it feels thatpeople are staring at them.
Okay, often encountering thespirit of a young girl walking
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in the hallways, and for somereason, one of the most haunted
areas is an elevator that ishaunted by the spirit of a
Chinese man.
So you'll get in the elevatorwith him and he won't be there
when you get out.
Or sometimes you'll get in anempty elevator and all of a
sudden there is a man there withyou hanging out in this
elevator.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Like.
I wonder why he likes theelevator so much.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I don't know, but do you remember a long time ago,
you and me had a debate aboutwhere you'd want to be in a
haunting situation, and youargued for inside.
I argued for outside, oh,because you could hide inside.
I'm like, well, the ghost couldcome through walls.
I'd rather be able to run.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
I think this was during the goat man episode yeah
, I do remember this, but wewere debating, if you want to
sleep on the bridge or incorrect yes but then I think at
the end, I don't know if I knewwhat I really would want.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
But okay, well, it doesn't matter, it doesn't
matter, because here, as soon asyou step outside, you have all
their friends as well.
So the ghostly figure of awoman in white, of course a lady
in white.
She walks alone on the trailsat night and witnesses say she
has a sorrowful expression andsometimes she just vanishes into
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thin air when approached.
Many people think that she is awoman who accidentally perished
near the lake and is cursed towalk the trails for eternity and
is cursed to walk the trailsfor eternity.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
That whole entire time, what was in my head is I
walk alone like Boulevard ofBroken Dreams.
Oh my gosh, I love, love themwhat a great song for that exact
scenario.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Perfect, although sometimes she's not alone
because there's anothergentleman on the trails.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Oh, a gentleman caller.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yes, nobody really knows who this is.
A lot of people seem to saythat he looks like a gold miner
and during the gold rush, lotsand lots and lots and lots of
gold miners fell to their deathsinto the lake.
That makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Okay, so maybe they became friends after life.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah Well, I mean they both just kind of hang
around on the trails, so I'msure they've ran into each other
at some point.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Oh, that's kind of cute.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Now, we did talk about the ghosts on Wizard
Island.
They see like shadowy figures.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I don't even remember what we've talked about so far.
I know.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
There's also tons and tons of reports of on the
regular trails not on the islandof these shadowy figures
lurking in the dense woods.
Always seem to be kind ofwatching people.
They're described as large andhumanoid, but they can move
unnaturally fast they can vanishwhen being spotted.
Whether these are spirit,elemental or something else,
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nobody really knows, but to meit reminded me a lot of, and
it's not terribly far removedfrom the episode you did on the
watchers, oh yeah, so it seemsto have that same, yeah, that
vibe.
Oh okay, I've been going on foralmost almost an hour.
I I think we've hit everythingwe could possibly.
(46:51):
I don't know.
That's the thing with this one.
I told you we're gonna go wide,not very deep.
Deep, yeah, sense, if any likefor you or anybody listening.
Like there's a lot more storiesout there on this, so if any
parts of this stuck into you,definitely urge you to do some
of your own research.
To go back to the thing at thebeginning, though, there is a
spot you can swim in, this likeyou have to jump off a cliff to
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do it and then, like, pullyourself so.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
So you would never Pretty large?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, I, I am never.
No, not with all the other shitthat's going on here and the
the lake being able to lure youto your death.
Would you go swimming in it?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Probably not.
I don't know.
I'd have to make the decisiononce.
I was looking at it.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Well, to wrap us up, I did something I know you'd
love and I found you at leastone reddit story about.
Oh.
So I'm like did you go visitwhen?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
yeah, I did a really quick trip remember that whole
thing about me wanting to be apilot while I'm out there?
Um, so killer ben man, though,talks about crater lake, and he,
he is not, uh, gonna be rushingback anytime soon.
Oh, okay.
That's a good one.
I went camping at Crater Lakein Oregon and where we camped it
was heavily wooded and therewere about two or three people
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beside us.
We get there around midday, setup and relax.
By now it begins to get dark,so we decided to cook some food
and call it a day after we eat.
Now, me, my cousin, my brothershared a tent to sleep in, so
I'd say around 2 to 3 am rollsin and I have to pee like a
MF-er.
Anyways, I do my stuff, headback to the tent and find the
zipper wide open and my littlebrother gone.
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Oh, so I start freaking out.
I wake my cousin up to tell himwhat happened and essentially
we search until sunrise and thenwe call the rangers.
Oh shit, they search for aboutfour to five hours and they find
him 10 miles from our campsite.
He has no clue how he got thereand all he has on is his
underwear and nothing else.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
God.
Now, after this whole ordeal,our cousin tells us about David
Paulides and his whole researchon how people go missing in
national parks without anyexplanations.
Needless to say, it was one ofthe most jarring and disturbing
things that ever happened in mylife.
In reality, it honestly ruinedcamping.
For all of us and I used tolove camping I will say Crater
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Lake is the place to go for somecreepy, paranormal shit.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Oh, how long ago did he post that, do you remember?
I think this one was about twoor three years ago.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
There's tons of other , there's some red stories about
more details.
I know that one I.
I kind of picked that onebecause it wasn't even related
to anything else we talked about.
It was just like just a weirdyeah, like literally moving 10
miles and having no memory.
There was another one, onebasically I almost picked of
this boyfriend-girlfriendleaving the hot springs at night
and hear something chasing themthe whole time.
It sounded very much like acamouflage Bigfoot, like we've
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heard those stories.
And when they got back to theparking lot there was a single
car, old man in a truck, andit's like 11 at night and he
gets out and asks them which wayto the hot springs, which like
why would anybody be going tothe nudist hot springs in the
middle of the night?
They were just like this placeis too fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
We're never coming back there's always a lot of
really, really creepy storieswhich maybe we should just do a
whole episode about hot springs,like natural hot springs yeah
because there is so many creepy,weird interactions and
encounters around them.
oh, the heebie-jeebies, I thinkit was two, two girls, one
(50:24):
ghosted, I can't remember where,but um, it was like a hot
spring thing, but basically itwas like they think that they
ran into a, um, like aseductress type entity, interest
, interesting Because it wasjust like this weird, very
witchy vibey woman, just like ina hot spring, just singing very
it would make sense.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
It's natural water.
There's usually a lot ofminerals in it because of where
it comes from, they're highenergy spots.
We should do a hot springs thatis all of the fucking weirdness
that goes on in crater lakepacked into one hour yeah,
that's a lot and, like you said,it's not, it's very a lot of
vague.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Stories I guess are vague, but like a lot of it,
which is just how these placesalways are.
There's like just a lot in onelittle space I like that.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Like, while there's not a lot of details in the
stories, it's the rangers, thechief naturalist, you, you know,
world War Two bombers Likethese are all credible, very
credible people, and it's somuch has happened here that I
think it's hard to deny thatsomething fucking weird is
happening, for sure in thissuper high energy area.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So my friend Darren lives in Oregon, oregon.
However, we are supposed to besaying it, we should hit him up
and be like hey, we're gonnacome chill with you, and how far
are you from can we convincehim to spend a night there and
just report back to us?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
he probably already has perfect, but then write in
about it or call in about it ohthe key.
Or if anybody else has everseen it or been to crater park,
tell us your story.
I'll hit him up and be like,hey, have you ever?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
stayed at or been to Crater Park.
Tell us your stories.
I'll hit him up and be like,hey, have you ever stayed at
Crater Lake?
And he's probably been like, oh, I went fishing there.
He's that type of person.
He's probably been there.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
All right, so emoji for this one.
Is there a wizard hat?
Yeah, let's do a wizard hat ora ship for the two islands.
Okay, love it.
The island you would ratherinteract with?
The ghostly camper island, orthe the ship that disappears?
So wizard hat for wizard hatisland, ship for ghost ship,
island.
Okay, pick on, pick your I likeit.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Um all right, well, yeah, good job.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
That was a lot I know I, I tried to like I.
I think I did good, thoughwe're just under an hour yeah,
no, we did perfect, perfection.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Um all.
My coffee is starting to reallyhit me, so I gotta go yeah, I'm
in that same boat yeah, are weon on the ship, all right?
uh, thank you guys so much.
We love and appreciate you.
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Speaker 2 (53:09):
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No matter who you are, youcould just yeah, subscribe to it
because you love us.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
That's really all I have.
Have a good.
If this is a, when are welistening to this Thursday?
Have a great weekend, a day, anight, a morning.
Wrap it up, kara, let them go.
I'm just wishing.
I'm wishing them all goodthings.
Goodness gracious, all the goodthings.
Love you.
I have to pee.
I've had so much coffee, Igotta poop.
The most important thing thatyou can do for us is to creep it
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real, you little eyeballs.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
And not pee your pants.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Goodbye, bye.
(53:58):
I'm home with the dogman At theIrish shop, closed in the
shadows At the Irish shop, andhome with the oddballs At the
Irish shop.
The door's always open At theRE Shop.
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IDshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theOddity Shop.
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What's up, you little oddballs?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the podcast where
we tell you creepy, odd, weird,strange and bizarre stories from
around the world.
Hello, curator Cara.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hello, I was going to say I'm your Curator, cara.
This is your other Curator,zachary.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm good.
I am fully caffeinated.
I am unfully full.
I'm a little bit hungry, so mystomach might make noises.
Yeah, it's 1030.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm on my third coffee.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh my God, I would die I started at like 630.
Not that that makes it anybetter but, so what's new with
you?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I don't think much.
It's a very gloomy morning here.
Is it gloomy there?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know it is, but I'm wearing shorts and I was
able to comfortably do sooutside, so I'm not going to
complain about that.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It is 52 here.
It's supposed to be like 70today and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, it's like pushing 60 here already, so
let's look the humidity helps.
Dude, you know what I forgot totell you about and everybody
else.
I went on that a couple weeksago.
The little ghost hunt toRobinson man manor it was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
What'd you find?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
um, you know, we got it wasn't the most active
evening.
Uh, we had some stuff with themag light giving us a little bit
of either.
Kind of felt like sometimeintelligent response kind of
felt, maybe more like residual,like somebody was kind of just
walking past, it got to playwith the.
The seer three out in the fieldfrom lauren haunts that's
exciting and we got to show itoff.
(02:08):
Everyone was really likeexcited to see.
Oh, I bet everyone was so ampedbecause that sound is so eerie
and awesome yes, that that thingis freaking amazing.
Um, what I wanted to share withyou, though, from it well, I
kind of told you already, butthere's a gentleman there who's
doing psychometry, where heholds objects and like you could
(02:28):
bring, like you know, thingsthat belong to a loved one or
whatever, and he would tell youabout it.
Well, I'm like realize, I don't, I forgot that was part of the
event, didn't bring anythinguntil I remembered you were
giving me shit about it veryrecently.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
There's that piece of the asylum that was still in my
car from the traverse citystate asylum that we all
collectively wanted to kill zachfor stealing anyways.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So I give it to this guy and I mean, it literally
looks like like a piece of bark,like it.
You, you can't you can't tellwhat the hell it is you really
immediately.
He's like this is from a floorand like he's just kind of you
know, at first I'm likeeverything he's telling me about
it is kind of I felt likegrasping for straws.
So I just sat there pretty muchemotionless would just say okay
(03:11):
.
And he's like I feel like thisis from a cabin.
Everything else is renovatedaround it and just so everyone
knows it came from like one ofthe unrenovated dorm building.
See a lot of trees, a lot ofwater.
All of a sudden he's like isthis from traverse city?
Like literally gets the city.
I've told him nothing aboutthis.
We're in alleghen, michigan,and he's like I feel like there
was like a lot of people whofelt like family, like a lot of
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emotion in this and he literallydescribed like the building
that it came from without he.
He never put together that itwas from the asylum, but had the
city, the location, how it wasrenovated, what it looked like
inside, all from this, and thenhe sets it down, then he goes.
I don't know, I'm probably alittle bit wrong.
I feel like tonight I haven'tbeen getting things right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm like and what you had said is that everybody else
was bringing like familyheirlooms, like necklaces and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So he's probably like oh, I think he was trying to
figure out how to connect it tome, because he's like I feel
like it's connected, like notdirectly to you, but you know,
like the people who were herefelt like family and it was, um,
he's like.
You know, I feel like peoplelived here their entire lives,
but not generations, like it wasjust, it was very, very spot on
.
I looked at him, I'm like, yeah, you are 100 right, like that's
(04:22):
from the asylum in traverse.
And I asked him after that Isaid you know, this is something
I felt like I probablyshouldn't have done.
I, knowing what I know now,like I wouldn't have taken it.
You know, and I've alwaysattributed this to bad luck with
my car what are your thoughts?
He goes well, it has a lot ofenergy.
It's not he goes.
It can kind of shift.
Some days it might be betterthan others he goes, but just
(04:43):
like I get a sense that it needsto like be displayed and not
hidden away.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So it is now displayed in the office and
should be much happier well, hewas just kind of saying, just so
, like that the memories can beyeah so it can be yeah,
presented and kind of notcelebrated.
But well, it makes sense maybebecause all of the bad things
that were done there were tried.
They were quote-unquote hidden,they were tried to be covered
(05:08):
up.
So it makes sense that ifyou're locking it in your glove
department like, you're alsotrying to hide and cover up, so
if you're displaying itbeautifully, the stories could
be maybe kind of told so that'sso.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Now I have a nice little display box.
It's been cleaned and cleansed.
So yeah, that's my excitement.
Nothing else too new all right.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, it is still an earlier episode that we're
recording because we've gotstuff to do.
It's a wonderful saturday andwe got things we gotta do so
you're saying we should open thedamn shop I'm thinking we
should open the shop because Igotta make so many more
bracelets oh boy, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, okay, I have a question for you.
What is the question?
Have you ever been to kitchitykippy?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
yeah, dang, you should have told me I would have
worn my sweater.
Oh man, okay, I even have ashirt or a sweater, fair enough.
But um, oh, side note, I wasgonna make bracelets that said
fair enough, would y'all wantthose?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
yes, okay, I want one .
Okay.
So for anybody who hasn't beenthere though, it's a giant
natural spring in north michigan, but the thing is is the?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
water is super clear and super deep, like it
literally like the edge of itjust drops off.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
What is it?
A couple hundred feet rightyeah, do you?
Ever go swimming in somethinglike that there.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I think I would, because I feel like, because you
can see it's so clear, but it'sgross, though I don't actually
know if I would it's actuallyreally clean um, but it's still
kind of swampy around thoughwell, because there's no shore,
it's like all the trees.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I know it's so weird because, like all the trees at
the edge fall into it and thenthere's those giant fish like
hundreds of feet down.
I literally get like a veryintense anxiety when I think
about swimming and somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
See, it would creep me out more if it was that and I
couldn't see.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I don't even think I could like people kayak across
it.
I don't know if I could do that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh, I could, I could do that easily.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Oh, I don't know why it gives me such a weird feeling
.
Interesting, okay, so you canimagine that.
Can you imagine it way fuckingbigger?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I mean I can, but everybody should pause right now
and go look at a picture ofthis so we see we're all on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yes, I can, but then I also cannot okay, perfect,
while you Google up once youlook at that, we're going to
look at a very similar body ofwater that's a couple miles
across.
Interesting Because today we'regoing to Oregon and we're
obviously going to be talkingabout a lake, one that we
mentioned relatively recentlyand I said, oh man, I got gotta
(07:41):
do a whole episode on this.
This has native land, oddformations, ghosts, deaths, ufos
, monsters, every fucking thingthat we talk about.
We're going to crater lake baby.
When did we?
It was like three or fourepisodes back.
I can't remember why wementioned it, but I you said
something about.
I'm like it's a really oddplace.
We need to do an episode aboutit.
(08:02):
So I immediately for once wroteit down and now we're gonna
cover it do they?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
okay, let's go what's your question?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I don't know, I was okay.
You think on it, you ponder onit.
When you remember, you let meknow.
So I think.
Crater lake though is and Ifollow this woman on tiktok who
always talks about spooky lakesand stuff Crater Lake is by far
the spookiest one I have ever,ever come across.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I've heard a lot of creepiness, but I can't pinpoint
exact stories, so I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And that's why there's a lot of stories.
They go really wide but notreally deep.
So we're going to go.
We're going to touch on a lotof shit here, so we're going on
a wild ride.
But for those who don't know,Crater Lake is located in south
central Oregon.
It's the main feature of CraterLake National Park Who'd have
thought that?
And it's not really far fromlike Klamath Falls, which is
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another place that is supernative, very spiritual, high
energy, OK.
So do you know how Crater Lakewas formed at all?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
From a crater.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Technically, yes, it's a crater at the top of a
volcano called Mount MazamaMazama, so it's the caldera.
So basically, over 7,000 yearsago the volcano blew and, like
you know, mount St Helens hasthat big caldera on it.
It's where the top blew off andnow it's a crater.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You know, what's also really weird is our last
episode, depending on when we dothis.
We just talked about Mount StHelens.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I know I was thinking that.
Okay, so the crater lake formedon top of where this volcano
blew.
Now there's a giant crater, butthe weird thing is is it's one
of the only lakes in the US thathas no inlet or outlet, so
there's nothing that feeds in.
There's no rivers that come in.
There's no rivers that go out.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So then, is it actually considered a lake?
Isn't a lake a yes Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's still considered a lake because on the mountain
it collects the snowfall, thesnow melt and rain.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And that's what classifies you as a lake-ish.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I think if it wasn't so massive massive it wouldn't
be considered a lake.
Okay, I'm gonna searchclassifications of lakes while
you continue, you, you do that.
But the thing is, because itcomes from precipitation, that's
like naturally filtered.
It's super, super clean, soit's like almost caribbean deep
blue.
You can see for hundreds offeet down and, due to
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evaporation and precipitation,like the water just totally
replaces itself every 150 years,so it just stays freaking clean
.
That's crazy.
It's also the deepest lake,yeah, is it?
Yes, it's the deepest lake inthe United States, with a total
depth of 1949 feet, and it's11th in the world for deepest,
(10:45):
which is insane when you have nolike actual source feeding it
other than precipitation that'sweird.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So the classification of a lake is a large,
relatively deep body of standingwater, typically surrounded by
land, where sunlight can't reachthe bottom in all areas and it
doesn't have regular currentslike rivers.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Okay, so yeah, cool.
It's a real lake Kara.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I wasn't saying it wasn't, I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So in Crater Lake there's actually two islands
that we're going to talk about.
There's a couple otherlandmasses.
It's actually really funny.
One of them does have a pond inthe middle that has a boulder
in the middle of it.
So if you think, about itthere's an island in the lake
and the island in the lake, yeah, on top of a mountain.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
An island in a lake, an island in the lake Wait, yep
so the boulder in a pond, on anisland in the lake.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, okay, I feel like we're about to start saying
there's a hole in the bottom ofthe sea.
Yeah, okay.
So the two islands that we'regoing to talk about, there's a
wizard island and phantom shipisland.
Oh, I want to go to phantomship island.
I knew you would.
It's also about five by sixmiles across.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Now I had also heard that there's fish in there, and
for the longest time.
I'm like how the fuck do fishget into this place if it just
okay, it was stocked.
It was stocked by humans, soit's not that exciting.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, I was thinking that, like a bird that caught a
fish somewhere else could havelike dropped it or something.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, no, it was humans, of course.
Well, so that's the one mysterywe're going to solve today.
It's also come on.
It's a Zach story, so it's onnative land.
Well, what isn't?
They've done archaeologicaldigs right, and they're finding
(12:39):
artifacts like sandals and othertools and stuff from natives
underneath the layers of dust,which means they were there for
over 7,000 years, which is wildto think about.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Because if it's below the eruption in the dig and it
erupted 7,700 years.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So it's it's been their land for a very long time.
Yeah, and this uh belonged tothe klamath tribe there.
I'm going to give you from alittle bit of reading from
wikipedia on them.
So their oral history describestheir ancestors witnessing the
collapse of mount mazama and theformation of Crater Lake.
They regard the lake as anabode to the Great Spirit.
(13:12):
Klamath oral history tells of abattle between the sky, god Skel
, and the god of the underworld,lao, and Mount Mazama was
destroyed in the battle creatingCrater Lake, called the Jiwas
in the Klamath language, theklamath people used crater lake
and vision quests, which alsooften involved climbing the
caldera walls and otherdangerous tasks.
Those who were successful insuch quests were often regarded
(13:35):
as having more spiritual powers,and the tribe still holds
crater lake in high regard as aspiritual site.
Okay, cool.
So basically, this is in theirhistory where, like, the battle
of good and evil took place andit destroyed the mountain and
created the lake which we love agood, good and evil story right
good and evil takeover so thecreation of crater lake is also
(13:57):
said to almost be a doorway or acrossroads between the darkness
of the below world of hell.
There's a lot of superstitionthat um came from the natives,
that if a person stares at thelake surface too long, you
almost get like mesmerized andunable to look away, and that if
you stare long enough, the lakeshould be able to trap people
(14:19):
and lure them to their deaths,because it's a portal to the
underworld so are we going totalk about hades no, actually.
So there's no mention of hadesbut lao, and I think I'm saying
that right l l a out a o, Ithink yeah I think it is like
their version of hades okay, Ineed to cover hades because I'd
be loving them, yes yes, you dookay.
(14:42):
So obviously we could talk aboutlake and history all day, but
that ain't what this freakingpodcast about.
So let's start.
You want to start with theislands yeah cool, we're gonna
start with wizard island,because I want to save yours for
okay, I was gonna say darn, butthen I'm actually happy wizard
island or wizard hat island,wizard hat island yes, I think
(15:03):
I've seen it called both justwizard island and wizard hat
island, but it literally lookslike a wizard's hat, which, you
know, is where it gets oh, theisland's like, shaped like that
cute.
Okay, yes in the caldera anothersmaller eruption happened which
formed this new dome kind of inthe middle of it.
So it sticks out of the water.
But it's not the weird shapethat give us people, the
heebie-jebies, it's the campersand an island in the middle of
(15:25):
the lake that no boats.
Well, I mean you can take yourboat too, but when the campers
are seen, no boats have gonethere.
So, okay, the rangers willregularly investigate the island
because they get constantreports of people having fires
and moving about the island.
So you'll see smoke, you'll seefires, you'll see people
(15:46):
walking around, and as you getto the island, there is nobody
there.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Where are we seeing this from?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Wizard Hat Island is basically able to be seen from
all the shores, so almost allthe shores on a cliff, looking
down into it because it's on thecaldera.
Okay, I understand, so you cansee it from all the sides.
People can see it from theirboats so interesting yeah, so
they'll go to investigatebecause you're not supposed to
(16:13):
be like camping on the islandand literally nobody will be
there are you allowed to visitthe island or no?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think so, but you just can't camp right, right,
okay.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now a lot of people tend to like say or claim right,
there's no way we can provethis, but that it's the trapped
souls of those who died in theeruption 7,000 years ago.
Okay, so we're starting prettytame.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I guess like okay, whatever, go on.
I was thinking that like,because you're saying you can
see this from the shore, becauseyou're saying you can see this
from the shore.
So I'm just thinking in my head, if you're going to see like
fire at night, like campers,then like what are you doing
late at night on the shore?
But it could just be mayberangers seeing it.
But if they're gettingcomplaints, Well, you can.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There's also a camping lodge on the shore.
You can camp, it's a nationalpark.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, okay, okay this makes so much.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
There's tons.
It's a huge, huge touristlocation.
Okay, I got it.
I get it Cool.
So your island.
Then the Phantom Ship Island,this one you should Google this.
It looks really cool, but it'ssort of ship-shaped.
Obviously.
It's these like super talljutting rocks coming out of the
water.
This island is like 500 by 200feet, but it's named this
because one.
When it sort of looks like aship, but in the right weather
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condition so foggy, low light itstarts to like look like it
appears mysteriously out of thewater and then disappears.
And a lot of people havemistaken it over time for a
ghost ship, like they used toreport, like the ship just came
out of nowhere and woulddisappear I do understand where
you're coming from, but italmost looks more like a castle
to me.
Yeah, it's just a really uniquelandmark Now that one it doesn't
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have too much paranormal otherthan the fact that you know it
tricks people into thinking it'sa boat or not, but it's just
kind of showing there's a lot ofreally weird formation around
here.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, it does look very, very strange.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Okay, I promise we're gonna get more strange as we go
on, though.
So, aside from the natural likegiant landmarks like that,
there's another landmark atcrater lake that moves all
around crater lake.
It's probably like the mostfamous landmark that it has.
Yeah, it's called the old manof the lake.
Have you ever heard of this?
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I don't think so okay so the oldman of the lake is a petrified
mountain hemlock tree.
It's at least 35 feet tall andfor some reason it floats
vertically in the water.
So, like the top four feet ofthe trunk stick out of the water
floating with the base down andset, you know, most logs would
float on their side.
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It has been floating in thislake since at least 1896 and
it's for sure the same.
It's for sure the same, yeah.
So it travels about four milesa day all around this lake.
This is so cute it was firstwritten about by joseph dillard
in 1902.
He's the one who saw it into uh1896 and it has been carbon
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dated and shows it being atleast 450 years old.
We just don't know when it fellinto the water.
It's preserved by the waterbecause the water is really cold
.
Okay, it's turned completelywhite.
A lot of people say it lookslike a giant bone stub sticking
out of the water, which for methe thalassophobia like what are
we calling it?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
the old man?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
the old man.
Yeah, it would totally freak meout.
I don't know why I seen thatstuff like oh, but it's like the
um, what's it called?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
the effect where it's the last of phobia.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think I just said it wrong, whatever whatever so
submechanophobia, anything big,weird things in the water, I
don't know.
Give us any heebie-jeebies, um.
So here's the thing though.
Oh yeah, it's.
It's been floating there forhundreds of years and there's
some superstition tied to it, sothe rangers used to like jump
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off boats and like one of theirrites of passage was getting
their picture taken climbing upon there.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, I was just gonna say there's a ton of
pictures of people sitting on it.
So, people, I don't know if youwant, if you're a visual, oh my
god, if you're a visual or if,oh my God, if you're a visual
person, you need to not think ofit as like a little tree.
It's a huge, huge, huge treelooking thing.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh yeah, no, it's big enough for a human being to sit
on top of.
So, according to this ranger,dave Grimes, up off their boats
to get their picture taken there.
He said we don't like to messwith the old man Because, you
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see, in 1988, a party ofsubmarine explorers feared that
while they were doing someresearch, that they might
accidentally hit the old man anddamage their submarine.
They harnessed it, hauled himoff towards shore and tied him
off, of course, on the coast ofWizard Island, because why not
give the old man his hat?
That just seems like a terriblefucking idea.
As soon as the tree wastethered, the weather turns ugly
.
The wind blew, white caps formand storms blew in immediately.
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It then starts to snow inAugust, jesus Christ.
The researchers fearing thatthey did something, they decided
to cut the old man free freeand almost immediately the
weather clears up.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So do we know how long this goes into the water?
35 feet 35 feet.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Okay, yep, it's a massive tree.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, it's just, that's just weird to me.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So and they don't know why it floats vertically.
Some people think it's like thedensity increased as it soaked
the water.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Because if you're sitting on it, wouldn't you
think that then it would liketeeter and like.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Another theory is that there's weights tied to the
bottom of it, but that wouldthose weights stay there for
hundreds of years.
The other thing too is why.
So it makes sense to me like,okay, a petrified tree,
something's holding it upright,it can't be the only hemlock.
Why aren't there other old menfloating around the lake?
Like other trees of the exactsame species had to have fallen
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in here, it doesn't make senseto me of why there's only one is
there other living ones aroundor no?
not anymore.
Yeah no, it's like it's apretty common tree in that area
okay huh, but, and most of them,as they petrify, end up sinking
right it.
This is weird.
It's now like that's one of themost famous landmarks to look
for.
There's people who track whereit is every day and it's like
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kind of cute.
That's cute.
Nobody knows why this oneparticular one has been floating
there, but they do not tie itoff anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, no don't, I wouldn't even sit on it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So we've got weird landmarks so far.
I'll give you the choice Do youwant murder and mystery, next
Cryptids and monsters, or UFOs?
Uh I, next cryptids andmonsters, or ufos?
Uh oh, I feel like give mecryptids.
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So let's go then to thecryptids and the monsters.
Obviously no surprise here,because, uh, we're in oregon
that's why I was like I wantcryptids oh yeah, it is pretty
much the number one state forcryptid sightings.
And our boy Bigfoot.
Okay, whoop, whoop.
There are multiple reports ofBigfoot every year, pretty much
monthly, regularly.
He is seen all over the trailson the edges of Crater Lake.
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He's never been seen on theislands or anything.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But there is a really famous story of the rangers
once receiving some reports of aweird creature and they start
to follow this large, dark,putrid smelling creature through
the woods Until at one point itkind of lost them, circled back
behind them and startedscreaming and throwing pine
cones at them, so they decidedto give up on the chase.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I mean, that's what I would do if somebody was
following me.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Right, scream and throw pine cones.
Why not?
It's a great plan.
Crater Lake isn't even just thespot of Bigfoot sightings, but
two Bigfoot deaths.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Wait like natural deaths.
No unfortunately because humansruin everything.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
One by car, and the body was whisked away by
government agents, and the otherby train wait, were these both
accidental?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
then yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So yeah all right, uh , well, you're gonna get upset
about the train one in a second.
It was accidental, but itwasn't reported until a couple
years later because the peopledriving the train were drinking
on the job I guess if you'regonna drink on any driving
driving thing, any type ofautomobile, I guess a train
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would probably be the safestright.
Yeah, because I mean, unlessyou derail it.
But yeah, I get your logic.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
But then you hit a big foot, so you're true, I
guess I don't know if you wouldhave been able to not hit it if
you weren't drunk.
Yeah, drunk or not, you'reprobably going to hit it with
the train.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You can't really stop them.
In June of 1976, the park'schief naturalist, george
Morrison, claims that he saw aBigfoot or Sasquatch, cross the
road at dusk and head into theAnnie Creek Canyon.
Morrison said the uprightcreature took only four steps to
cross the four lane road.
Wow, well, that makes sense.
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He's like their chiefnaturalist.
He's an experienced natureobserver and said he couldn't
find any footprints.
But this thing is not anythinghe had ever seen before and he
was like pretty shaken by this.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's always the experienced people.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Right, at least we have a reputable one um.
Five years later we haveanother visitor, roger wade.
He sees an upright sasquatch.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
50 yards in front of his car yeah reputable, it's
reputable, it's a reputable,like your reputation.
Potato, potato reputable.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'm gonna look this up later and see who's right.
I'm probably wrong, um, okay,so anyways, the roger wade.
He sees an upright sasquatch 50yards in front of his car.
Three miles west of any springoh my god sorry people see it
running all the time on allfours.
I've never heard of that.
Look at any grainy video.
When they go running that theygo gorilla style, okay, anyways,
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his written statement describedthe creature as six feet tall
your favorite, pulling heightout of their ass with light
brown, cinnamon colored hair.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
And.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Wade did claim to see that, or Wade claimed that he
found large footprints.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Okay, so one didn't, one did.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yes, okay, all right.
So that's the Bigfoot sightings.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
If you were to see a bigfoot, what color would you
prefer?
It to be cinnamon brown.
I know that's kind of what Ivisualize, always it but yeah,
some people say, like black hairthat just doesn't.
No, no, it doesn't fit for mein my head.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
That's somebody in a ghillie suit.
Okay, of course, though, likewe're not gonna get through a
creepy like story without awater monster, as well, yeah, I
was.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
That's what I thought we were going with first.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Now, surprisingly, there's a lot less of this than
there is Bigfoot.
But what people start to see isweird disturbances at the top.
So like a lot of the cliffslooking over the lake are really
high up and look down on it, sothey see a lot of weird
disturbances at the top of thewater that make them think
there's something large.
Now the natives.
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They do think that Lao, if I'msaying that correctly resides in
the lake, which he's kind ofthe representative of the evil,
right?
Okay, yeah, there's not manysightings, except for in 2002, a
group of friends were touringin a rowboat which is the last
thing I want to see a fuckingsea monster in.
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And Mrs Maddie Hatcher looksover the side and she sees
something swimming downunderneath the boat that
shouldn't be there, she says toreporters in the Fort Meyer Star
News.
She said this thing must havebeen a city block long.
To me it looked exactly like adragon.
I have no idea.
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That would terrify me.
Now there's the weirddisturbances on the top of the
sea.
I think this is probably, ifI'm gonna give it some thought
about, what it could be.
I'm thinking it's probably justsomething more elemental in
nature that maybe shows up likekind of like sam was saying
shows up differently todifferent people yeah, um, I
like her thought process andgiving a description of how big
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it is, because to me that makesmore sense.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's like a city block, instead of saying it was
right like an exact yeah, yeah,yeah, like a good comparison.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I appreciate her for that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But I do think that you know.
You said there wasn't a lot ofsightings in the water at least
that makes sense to me, though,because of how deep it is and
how, like we don't know, halfthe species that are real quote
unquote real now.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So that always makes sense to me when there's like I
don't think this could beanything real because, remember,
the only living things that arein this lake have been stocked
by humans.
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So I think it's more elemental.
I mean it could be, but itstill could be a lake monster,
because we don't know how lakemonsters survive.
They might not need anything.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
To disprove this one a little bit.
Possibly this is a possibleexplanation.
To disprove her sighting yes,okay, at least hers now the
disturbances on water, but therewas, in 1977, a uh, really
terrible b movie that was like aplay on the loch ness monster
called uh, the crater lakemonster.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So there could have been some ideas planted, but got
you so, surprisingly though, wereally only have two monsters
out here that is surprising, butthen also not because, like you
just said it could, it'sprobably more elemental, it's
probably more spiritual, likethe native american things like
that.
So I guess I I guess it soundssurprising with the description
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of this location but at the sametime I I get why perfect, all
right.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Ghosts, murder and mystery ufo what next?
Oh god yeah, we got a lot toget through let's do murder
perfect, okay, so far we've gotsome monster sightings, we've
got some weird geography.
What are your thoughts beforewe get into the murder and
mystery?
Like do you, do you think thisplace is kind of weird?
Do you think this is normal?
Like where are you at?
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Oh, of course it's weird.
Like, do you believe in all theparanormal stuff so far?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Of course.
Why are you even asking?
I don't know why.
I'm even asking you that youbelieve anything.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I tell you Okay, so we're going to get into.
There's a shit ton of peoplewho die, people who go missing,
people who unfortunately taketheir own lives.
Of course, we could literallydo three episodes on all those,
so we're just going to touch ona few of the weird ones.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Okay, let's go baby.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So the first is Mr Charles McCuller.
He was an outdoorsman andphotographer from Virginia who,
at the age of 19, heads out toCrater Lake for a few days.
He's going to take some photos.
It's 1975.
Okay, so he was supposed to begone just for two days and he
went by himself, by himself.
Yep, he was supposed to go backto a friend's house, but he
never returns.
Okay, so his disappearance isinvestigated.
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Plenty of people witnessed himaround the lake, but nobody
could pinpoint.
The last time he was seen,right, okay, over pinpoint.
Like the last time he was seen,right, okay.
Over a year goes by.
There's search by crown, by air, involvement with the fbi, and
he's finally found, well,portions of him.
Well, right, okay.
October 13th 1976, two hikersfrom texas make a wrong turn
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while traveling through the park.
They end up in this like remotepart of a bog area called
sphagnum bog.
Upon arrival they find an old,dirty backpack.
This was in 76.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Right when did he take his 75 as a year?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
cool.
A day later, the rangers showup in the area, ultimately
coming across the remains ofcharles mcculler.
They can tell because the bagof his car keys are in there.
The cameras are gone, but he'sabout 12 miles from the the
trailhead.
I could tell you about it, butI found a reddit story that
really sums it up well, and Iknow you love reddit.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Why is this giving me , like blair witch, vibes?
I?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
was thinking more like into the wild vibes a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Okay, read the reddit read the reddit redditor, non,
non, n-o-n-n-a-a-n.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Has this to say.
So Charles' remains werebizarre.
His jeans were reportedlyunbuttoned and the belt had come
undone.
In his pants, investigatorsfound broken off shin bones
sticking up.
Investigators also found footbones in his socks Okay, but the
rest of his skeletal remainsseemed to have vanished, except
the crown of his skull, whichwas found 12 feet away.
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So foot bones in a sock, shinbones in the pants and crown of
his head, and that's it.
That's it, nothing that's verystrange the.
The bag is there, the cameraequipment is gone, but his pants
weren't unbuttoned.
Pants were unbuttoned, no, buthis shirt and boots and coat are
gone.
The pants were found sitting ona, but all the money was gone
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out of the wallet.
Ugh, it's really like it seemstrue crimey, right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
No, there wasn't any blood or anything that they
could find.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, no blood and no other remains have ever been
found.
Like what?
How does?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, that's very weird, like what?
How does I don't know?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
okay, so in 2016, stephen mccullough wrote an
article about his missingbrother and this is really sad.
Oh, in it he throws is aninteresting conclusion, he said
if only those broken off shinbones could have talked to us,
what do you think they'd say?
I bet they'd say something likethis I hitched a ride with a
creepy guy who stole my cameraequipment money and shot me in
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the head.
Then, on a clear day in thedead of winter, he hauled a ride
with the creepy guy who stolemy camera equipment money and
shot me in the head.
Then, on a clear day in thedead of winter, he hauled my
body into the most remote partsof crater lake, took my shirt
and boots off, set me on a logand left, figuring the animals
would destroy the evidence byspring.
And hey, I guess it workedbecause the cops ruled my death
to be from natural causes.
My dad and family don't buy it,though.
That's what the like hisbrother wrote that from his
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perspective why does he thinkthat he got shot in the head?
because of the fact that he wasrobbed.
Obviously somebody like stagedthe way his body was out there.
I would think that he gotstabbed, um, and like how the
part of it yeah, it's, I mean,you just don't know there's
nothing, I don't know, but butit's so weird that, like to me,
animals wouldn't leave suchlittle of the bones to like the
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point where you couldn't findthem.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's weird no, that whole thing is really weird.
I was just thinking I wouldthink that he got stabbed or
something, because then therewouldn't be like potential
bullets evidence or anything.
But that's really weird, yeah,that's unsettling.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So that that's the one I've got for you on murder.
The other ones are going to bea little bit more on the weird
side of things.
Okay, so we have two strangedisappearances during World War
II.
So the first are two tornadobombers flying across the lake
in 1944.
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Okay, according to one pilot,the only surviving pilot.
As they neared the lake he tookthe lead.
Both men had been flying withabsolutely no issues, so they
were kind of side by side.
The one pulls in front clearday, kind of gets some speed
going, goes to look back tocheck on the other pilot.
He's gone.
He's gone.
He had only been out of visualrange for a short time, less
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than five minutes, went througha time slip.
Nothing came across the radio,no one saw any plane fall out of
the sky because it was still atourist area, right, it just
completely vanished.
Portal time slip Following year.
Or it went into the doorway tothe underworld.
Time slip the following year,or it went into the doorway to
the underworld the followingyear.
A group of seven Hellcat fighterplanes were headed north from
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California to Washington.
While over the park, theyencountered heavy fog.
When the squadron made it toclear skies, they found that one
aircraft flown by 22-year-oldFrank Lupo had gone missing.
So that was the last thatanyone had seen Lupo for nearly
25 years, until 1970.
What when a newly hired parkranger, dave badass last name,
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pain Breaker oh Was hiking thepark and he came across a human
skull.
I love this guy.
Where's the plane?
I wait for it.
I love this guy, though.
He takes the skull, he puts itin his backpack, heads to the
office, goes up to his brand newmanager and slams the skull on
his desk Love it.
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So the investigators go out tothe area.
He found it.
They're able to recover a pieceof the plane.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I guess I don't love that.
He touched it though.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Right, they use he touched it though.
Right, they use dental recordsto actually ID it.
Okay, but with the parts of theplane and what they had, they
were unable to identify whathappened to the plane to cause
it to also just fall right outof the plate or the sky but it
took 25 years to find that yeahthat seems so weird there are
tons of planes that just godisappearing over here.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
That seems so weird that.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I that, yeah, nobody finds this for 25 years.
And then he's hiking and theskull is visible, visible,
that's what I mean that'sfucking weird.
Okay, we have another.
This one is the last one's, sad, I'm sorry.
It's also one of the mostconfusing of the missing persons
cases out here.
Okay, and it's of Sam Bulkey,also known as Sammy.
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So in 2006, sammy and his dad,kenneth, are visiting the park.
The two stop to play on a hilland you know like, when it's
time to go, ken's like all right, sammy, like we got to go.
Sammy refuses to come down thehill.
He throws a little tempertantrum and goes down the other
side of the hill.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I'm sorry.
How old is he?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
he is six years old, oh okay, six or eight something,
little young, young kid.
He disappears out of the dad'ssight as he goes down the other
side of the hill and kennethnever sees sammy again, he so he
runs over.
Can't see the kid immediately.
A search was called.
They searched the ground withdogs.
They had helicopters and hecouldn't have got that far.
He's a little no.
Dogs briefly picked up hisscent.
Can't see the kid Immediately.
A search was called.
They searched the ground withdogs, they had helicopters.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He couldn't and he couldn't have got that far, he's
little.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
No Dogs.
Briefly picked up his scent,okay, but it led nowhere.
It's like all of a sudden hejust disappeared.
The other really horrible thingis that Sammy was autistic.
Oh, so he kind of you know,like I could see.
If nothing strange did happenhere, you would probably hide
from large groups of people.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
But that's why it's not too uncharacteristic that he
ran off and had a tempertantrum.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
So the time of the year that it was, though, it was
kind of near winter, so theydidn't think it was kidnapping
at all because they basicallytalked to everybody who was
around there.
There weren't many people inthe park at this time.
Eventually, the search iscalled off because it is now
fully winter a couple months inand they said if he was still
out there with the freezingtemperatures.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
There's no way.
Here's the thing he did.
Make it a nice bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Family took him in I I hope so, um still to this day
totallyolved and it is an activemissing persons case.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's sad, poor baby .
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But yeah.
So, like I said, though,there's a lot of accidental
deaths of people falling in thelake here there's lots of
murders that make it lookaccidental.
A lot of people who do taketheir own life.
There's not.
We don't know the reasons whypeople pass away so much here.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Something you know a lot of.
It's the remoteness or thebeauty of it.
But if we go back to thatnative legend about it being a
portal to the doorway and luringpeople in, makes sense Lao
spirit, you know All right, giveme the alien.
All right, you want aliens?
I'll give you the aliens.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Zach's wearing the perfect shirt for today.
He has a shirt that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I bought him.
I wore this one for you becauseit's got aliens, it's got
Bigfoot and Bigfoot, yes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
We're going to go to February 4th, okay.
I can't ever say February Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
February 4th 1997.
I like how you say it.
I know you do Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
A private pilot is flying near Diamond Lake
Junction east of Crater Lake andhe reports seeing three
disc-shaped objects speedingacross the evening sky.
Then he also sees that they'repursued by several jet
interceptors.
Oh, and that same evening tonsof people around the lake
respond or report hearing asonic boom that was loud enough
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to set off car alarms and stuffwhich could be the jets yeah, it
sounds like on this february4th they were chasing these
three discs around.
Now that was seen during day, sopeople could identify that it
was three disc-shaped UFOs.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So multiple people did see this, yep.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Okay, and it's been seen many, many times since, but
it's usually at night.
So a lot of people, instead ofseeing the disc, they say
there's these crazy lights thatare just always flying around
Crater Lake Interesting.
This has led a lot of people tothen further speculate as
they're doing a lot off of Newnew jersey and stuff now, with
everything going on, that theremight be an underwater ufo base
(40:41):
here, because not only are allthese discs and lights seen so
often since, like the early 90s,they're also seen going in and
out of the water, which issomething we're hearing more and
more about ufos or maybe, youknow, multi-dimensional beings
or or something else going onother than aliens from other
planets.
But, like, I kind of think thatthis is a perfect place.
(41:04):
Oh yeah, ruling out that wedon't know what the UFOs are by
any means, this would be a greatplace for them to hide.
Super super deep place on top ofa mountain, like come on.
So the UFOs, though, have beenaround way more than just the
90s, when they started beingreported, because that's just
popularity of UFO reports, yeah,going back to the Klamath tribe
(41:25):
, so the people who lived therefor thousands of years they
spoke about, and often about thesky, people who come down from
the heavens.
Sky people, so their legendsdescribe bright objects
descending from the sky andinteracting with the lake.
Elders spoke of strange beingsemerging from the lake itself,
(41:46):
hinting at the uh ancient kindof connection between crater
lake and otherworldly visitors,and there are researchers who
think that this is actually someof the oldest account of UFO
activity and alien contact withhumans in the United States.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Wow, yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
We obviously, you know, you and me, our theories
of the monsters and the UFOs gohand in hand.
And whether it's from anotherplanet or a little bit
multidimensional, I'm notsurprised that we have a ton of
UFO and strange light anomaliesgoing on.
With all the Bigfoot sightings.
By any means.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
One day I'm going to remember what episode it was and
I'm going to go find it and I'mgoing to figure out how to clip
the audio where you made fun ofme so bad when I said I thought
Bigfoots were interdimensionaland you could use trees as
portals and stuff and youclowned me so hard.
And now and now I've heard itfrom other professionals and now
you're like you know whatActually?
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Actually, actually, actually Listen, we learn and we
grow.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I know, ok, I just every time you bring it up.
I have to just bring up how youclowned me so hard.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
You're making me believe more things.
You actually.
Are you ready for the damnghost?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
at me so hard and like I was, like whatever I was
sticking with it.
Never laugh at you, I'd laughwith you somebody figure out
what episode that was for me.
Thanks, okay, yeah, I want tohear the hot guys okay.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So monsters, ufos, landmarks not enough, uh-uh, we
gotta have ghosts, and wealready talked about the wizard
island ones.
But that is not even the likehalf of it, okay.
So you don't even have to gonear the water or the islands,
you can just stay at Crater LakeLodge, let's do it.
Built in 1915, meant to be aretreat for the visitors Nobody
(43:31):
knows why, but a lot of thevisitors just don't tend to
leave and hang out throughoutthe years.
But a lot of the visitors justdon't tend to leave and hang out
throughout the years.
According to investigating thePNWcom, pacific Northwest,
guests have reported nightterrors that prevent them from
sleeping, as it feels thatpeople are staring at them.
Okay, often encountering thespirit of a young girl walking
(43:52):
in the hallways, and for somereason, one of the most haunted
areas is an elevator that ishaunted by the spirit of a
Chinese man.
So you'll get in the elevatorwith him and he won't be there
when you get out.
Or sometimes you'll get in anempty elevator and all of a
sudden there is a man there withyou hanging out in this
elevator.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Like.
I wonder why he likes theelevator so much.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I don't know, but do you remember a long time ago,
you and me had a debate aboutwhere you'd want to be in a
haunting situation, and youargued for inside.
I argued for outside, oh,because you could hide inside.
I'm like, well, the ghost couldcome through walls.
I'd rather be able to run.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
I think this was during the goat man episode yeah
, I do remember this, but wewere debating, if you want to
sleep on the bridge or incorrect yes but then I think at
the end, I don't know if I knewwhat I really would want.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
But okay, well, it doesn't matter, it doesn't
matter, because here, as soon asyou step outside, you have all
their friends as well.
So the ghostly figure of awoman in white, of course a lady
in white.
She walks alone on the trailsat night and witnesses say she
has a sorrowful expression andsometimes she just vanishes into
(45:05):
thin air when approached.
Many people think that she is awoman who accidentally perished
near the lake and is cursed towalk the trails for eternity and
is cursed to walk the trailsfor eternity.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
That whole entire time, what was in my head is I
walk alone like Boulevard ofBroken Dreams.
Oh my gosh, I love, love themwhat a great song for that exact
scenario.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Perfect, although sometimes she's not alone
because there's anothergentleman on the trails.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Oh, a gentleman caller.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yes, nobody really knows who this is.
A lot of people seem to saythat he looks like a gold miner
and during the gold rush, lotsand lots and lots and lots of
gold miners fell to their deathsinto the lake.
That makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Okay, so maybe they became friends after life.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah Well, I mean they both just kind of hang
around on the trails, so I'msure they've ran into each other
at some point.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Oh, that's kind of cute.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Now, we did talk about the ghosts on Wizard
Island.
They see like shadowy figures.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I don't even remember what we've talked about so far.
I know.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
There's also tons and tons of reports of on the
regular trails not on the islandof these shadowy figures
lurking in the dense woods.
Always seem to be kind ofwatching people.
They're described as large andhumanoid, but they can move
unnaturally fast they can vanishwhen being spotted.
Whether these are spirit,elemental or something else,
(46:29):
nobody really knows, but to meit reminded me a lot of, and
it's not terribly far removedfrom the episode you did on the
watchers, oh yeah, so it seemsto have that same, yeah, that
vibe.
Oh okay, I've been going on foralmost almost an hour.
I I think we've hit everythingwe could possibly.
(46:51):
I don't know.
That's the thing with this one.
I told you we're gonna go wide,not very deep.
Deep, yeah, sense, if any likefor you or anybody listening.
Like there's a lot more storiesout there on this, so if any
parts of this stuck into you,definitely urge you to do some
of your own research.
To go back to the thing at thebeginning, though, there is a
spot you can swim in, this likeyou have to jump off a cliff to
(47:13):
do it and then, like, pullyourself so.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
So you would never Pretty large?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, I, I am never.
No, not with all the other shitthat's going on here and the
the lake being able to lure youto your death.
Would you go swimming in it?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Probably not.
I don't know.
I'd have to make the decisiononce.
I was looking at it.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Well, to wrap us up, I did something I know you'd
love and I found you at leastone reddit story about.
Oh.
So I'm like did you go visitwhen?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
yeah, I did a really quick trip remember that whole
thing about me wanting to be apilot while I'm out there?
Um, so killer ben man, though,talks about crater lake, and he,
he is not, uh, gonna be rushingback anytime soon.
Oh, okay.
That's a good one.
I went camping at Crater Lakein Oregon and where we camped it
was heavily wooded and therewere about two or three people
(48:04):
beside us.
We get there around midday, setup and relax.
By now it begins to get dark,so we decided to cook some food
and call it a day after we eat.
Now, me, my cousin, my brothershared a tent to sleep in, so
I'd say around 2 to 3 am rollsin and I have to pee like a
MF-er.
Anyways, I do my stuff, headback to the tent and find the
zipper wide open and my littlebrother gone.
(48:26):
Oh, so I start freaking out.
I wake my cousin up to tell himwhat happened and essentially
we search until sunrise and thenwe call the rangers.
Oh shit, they search for aboutfour to five hours and they find
him 10 miles from our campsite.
He has no clue how he got thereand all he has on is his
underwear and nothing else.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
God.
Now, after this whole ordeal,our cousin tells us about David
Paulides and his whole researchon how people go missing in
national parks without anyexplanations.
Needless to say, it was one ofthe most jarring and disturbing
things that ever happened in mylife.
In reality, it honestly ruinedcamping.
For all of us and I used tolove camping I will say Crater
(49:11):
Lake is the place to go for somecreepy, paranormal shit.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Oh, how long ago did he post that, do you remember?
I think this one was about twoor three years ago.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
There's tons of other , there's some red stories about
more details.
I know that one I.
I kind of picked that onebecause it wasn't even related
to anything else we talked about.
It was just like just a weirdyeah, like literally moving 10
miles and having no memory.
There was another one, onebasically I almost picked of
this boyfriend-girlfriendleaving the hot springs at night
and hear something chasing themthe whole time.
It sounded very much like acamouflage Bigfoot, like we've
(49:46):
heard those stories.
And when they got back to theparking lot there was a single
car, old man in a truck, andit's like 11 at night and he
gets out and asks them which wayto the hot springs, which like
why would anybody be going tothe nudist hot springs in the
middle of the night?
They were just like this placeis too fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
We're never coming back there's always a lot of
really, really creepy storieswhich maybe we should just do a
whole episode about hot springs,like natural hot springs yeah
because there is so many creepy,weird interactions and
encounters around them.
oh, the heebie-jeebies, I thinkit was two, two girls, one
(50:24):
ghosted, I can't remember where,but um, it was like a hot
spring thing, but basically itwas like they think that they
ran into a, um, like aseductress type entity, interest
, interesting Because it wasjust like this weird, very
witchy vibey woman, just like ina hot spring, just singing very
it would make sense.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
It's natural water.
There's usually a lot ofminerals in it because of where
it comes from, they're highenergy spots.
We should do a hot springs thatis all of the fucking weirdness
that goes on in crater lakepacked into one hour yeah,
that's a lot and, like you said,it's not, it's very a lot of
vague.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Stories I guess are vague, but like a lot of it,
which is just how these placesalways are.
There's like just a lot in onelittle space I like that.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Like, while there's not a lot of details in the
stories, it's the rangers, thechief naturalist, you, you know,
world War Two bombers Likethese are all credible, very
credible people, and it's somuch has happened here that I
think it's hard to deny thatsomething fucking weird is
happening, for sure in thissuper high energy area.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So my friend Darren lives in Oregon, oregon.
However, we are supposed to besaying it, we should hit him up
and be like hey, we're gonnacome chill with you, and how far
are you from can we convincehim to spend a night there and
just report back to us?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
he probably already has perfect, but then write in
about it or call in about it ohthe key.
Or if anybody else has everseen it or been to crater park,
tell us your story.
I'll hit him up and be like,hey, have you ever?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
stayed at or been to Crater Park.
Tell us your stories.
I'll hit him up and be like,hey, have you ever stayed at
Crater Lake?
And he's probably been like, oh, I went fishing there.
He's that type of person.
He's probably been there.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
All right, so emoji for this one.
Is there a wizard hat?
Yeah, let's do a wizard hat ora ship for the two islands.
Okay, love it.
The island you would ratherinteract with?
The ghostly camper island, orthe the ship that disappears?
So wizard hat for wizard hatisland, ship for ghost ship,
island.
Okay, pick on, pick your I likeit.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Um all right, well, yeah, good job.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
That was a lot I know I, I tried to like I.
I think I did good, thoughwe're just under an hour yeah,
no, we did perfect, perfection.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Um all.
My coffee is starting to reallyhit me, so I gotta go yeah, I'm
in that same boat yeah, are weon on the ship, all right?
uh, thank you guys so much.
We love and appreciate you.
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No matter who you are, youcould just yeah, subscribe to it
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Speaker 1 (53:14):
That's really all I have.
Have a good.
If this is a, when are welistening to this Thursday?
Have a great weekend, a day, anight, a morning.
Wrap it up, kara, let them go.
I'm just wishing.
I'm wishing them all goodthings.
Goodness gracious, all the goodthings.
Love you.
I have to pee.
I've had so much coffee, Igotta poop.
The most important thing thatyou can do for us is to creep it
(53:36):
real, you little eyeballs.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
And not pee your pants.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Goodbye, bye.
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I'm home with the dogman At theIrish shop, closed in the
shadows At the Irish shop, andhome with the oddballs At the
Irish shop.
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