February 6, 2025 • 56 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your curator Kara has the tale of some local ghosts on Dice Road!
Venture down the shadowy path of Dice Road, notorious for its chilling tales in the heart of Michigan. Our journey begins with the tragic saga of Anna Rhodes Millerton, whose love triangle spirals into a haunting legacy. As we uncover the eerie chronicles of the Michigan Hell House, delve into the documented experiences of the Pomeraning family, complete with mysterious noises and police encounters. These spine-tingling stories echo through time, offering a suspenseful glimpse into the supernatural enigmas that haunt this infamous stretch of road.
Feel the thrill of a solo expedition as Kara secretly explore Dice Road's uncanny locales. Despite a few unsettling encounters, the adventure unfolds with an exhilarating mix of anxiety and discovery. We invite our Michigan listeners to share their own Dice Road stories and express heartfelt gratitude to our Patreon supporters.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
I want to dance with the mothman At the Irish show.
I want to dance with theMothman at the IA shop.
Bathe in the moonlight at theIA shop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe IA shop.
The door's always open at theIA shop shop.
(00:54):
What's up, oddballs?
Welcome back to the party.
Welcome back to the oddity shop, the podcast where we tell you
all the creepy, weird, odd,strange, bizarre stories from
around the world.
I'm your curator, zachary,sitting with your other curator,
kara kara.
How are you?
Why are you voguing?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
well, because you know you were just.
I thought you were going tokeep going with the compliments
that and you just didn't.
But anyway, I'm great good, I'mglad.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'm so glad to hear it.
Okay, I know it's february, butthis is like our first legit
episode back from our break.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I want to know the favorite gifts you got for
christmas.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
People go are um okay , well, I got a lot, I was
supposed I want to go where thepeople are, and I want to, yeah
I know.
That's why thank you uh I wantto be where the people are, I
want to be where the I want togo.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
it's fine, nobody cares, whatever.
Um favorite gifts I got toomany.
I got a random gift just fornot for christmas because my
husband knew I needed multiplenew hair tools, so he bought me
the dyson air wrap, which is a500 blow dryer dryer Thanks.
My hair looks fabulous.
It does look really good,thanks, and it's like really
quick and easy.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So you know how you know it's a good hair product is
.
I've actually heard about itbefore.
You told me you got one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So I got that to be fair.
Not that anyone cares, but ifyou were wondering, I did buy
the shark first to see becauseit's half the price, awful.
I returned it and I wasn't evengoing to buy the dyson, but
aaron just bought it for meanyway.
Anyway, very nice.
So that's not really christmasbut that was what I got.
But for christmas I got awalking pad because I really
wanted one.
I got a body um heating padbecause I'm old and my back
(02:38):
hurts.
I got a dyson the green machinebecause I wanted to like clean
my couch and do I was puke.
I got my little weenie light upsign.
I got a weenie light up sign.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I like that for those who don't see our little clips.
She has a skeleton behind herthat's now holding a weenie, so
your skeleton has a wiener, nice.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, and then I got a really cute purse Awesome.
And oh, my mommy bought me abunch of meat that's a solid
gift.
Right there though she got me abunch of steaks, just
perfection, amazing.
So what was your favorite gifts?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
okay, I I also have to say a few of them, but one
I've been wanting for a longtime the rock tumbler, which I
not only got one of, but I gottwo, which now means, I can
stagger.
My tumbler tumbles tumbling.
In a week my first batch shouldbe done.
And if you don't think, if youare near and dear to me and you
listen to this, if you don'tthink you're going to start
getting gifted rocks from meconstantly.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You are so wrong how long does it take?
A week, a six day?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
um, you have to tumble them for a month yeah,
across a week per grit and youhave to go.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh yeah, so, but now it does make sense to have two,
yeah, oh yeah, absolutely okay.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's cool, um, because you can only put a pound
in there at a time too.
So by october I should bethrough all my rocks oh my god
and then I got rechargeable handwarmers, which have been a
lifesaver.
I'm'm actually out walking inthe winter.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's amazing.
That's a really good gift.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
So, so, very practical.
It was so amazing.
Then this thing.
I'll have to post a picture ofthis.
It is absolutely just beyondgorgeous, but it is a felt
sculpted statue of a dryad.
It is beautiful.
It is one of the most gorgeousthings I've ever seen in my life
.
I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
beautiful, it is one of the most gorgeous things I've
ever seen in my life, I'mobsessed with it, and she had
her arm out and so I put apendant or a pendulum.
I have goosebumps actuallybecause it's so beautiful.
Where does she get that, do youremember?
I don't know.
Okay, we'll have to ask.
I'll look.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'll look when I or I ask her too yeah, it was
beautiful um, and then the lastone I have is a handcrafted one
from dad which he hasn't quitefinished yet, but he showed me
pictures of it which is a custommothman themed epoxy resin
inlaid ouija board and I can'tfucking wait to see this.
(04:57):
Yes which, speaking of that,okay, keep your eyes out for new
ad we might have in the nearfuture from a mystical wood
goods shop coming soon.
Possibly so, and if you werepart of the Patreon, giveaway
you already know what some ofthis stuff looks like.
You received some.
But, we'll make sure to to getthat ad out there when, when
(05:19):
those things are ready to go,because it's amazing stuff, not
just because it's for my ownfamily, I would actually.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, it's amazing stuff, not just because it's for
my own family I would actually.
No, it actually is beautiful.
I have so many pieces that yourdad has made me over the years
and I look at them all the timeand I'm just like you might have
more in my room, but I justhaven't seen you yet.
Do you know what's so cool?
Is that, like, whenever you gethandmade pieces like when you
go to art shows or likeconventions that we go to, and
you get these handmade pieces,like it's just like one of it,
(05:44):
just for me, it warms my souland sometimes it makes me cry,
you know what I mean.
Like you just tear up becauseit's just like amazing.
But when you get pieces thatare like that from somebody that
you know, my brain cannotcompute how that person made
that, because it's just soincredible to me that I don't
understand how they made itRight.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Which last thing?
Because you said cons, right,which okay.
Last thing.
Because you said cons, guys,remember our home.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Con is gone if you are going to cool events this
year and you think that weshould?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
also go to those cool events.
Let us know we want to go, wewant to see, we want to hang out
with you, we want to be aroundcreepy, weird, paranormal people
.
Keep us posted okay, okay yes,that's all I've got for you.
What else?
What do you have?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I have a revelation which I kind of told you about
and I'm going to talk about iton the podcast because I think
that other people might needthis revelation.
Ok, and I will not call out myname, but if you somehow listen
to this, you know who the fuckyou are, and that's all I'm
going to say.
So my revelation is I told youthe other day and you actually
(06:51):
oddly thought of this person,which is not a person that you
should really think of you, you,zach, you thought of this
person and then you got anxietybecause I had this revelation of
this person that has been oneof my quote unquote best friends
since we were children.
It was like a 25 plus yearrelationship that we had
friendship and it ended abruptly.
I think I might've talked aboutit a little bit.
It ended abruptly with thisperson just not talking to me
anymore for no reason.
I reached out multiple times tothe point where Zach's like
you're making yourself yeah, itwas time to move on, depressed,
(07:15):
sad.
It was time to move on.
So I did move on.
But I had this revelationbecause I heard somebody quote
that sometimes the people thatyou thought was actually your
closest, deepest friends aresometimes the people that, like
hurt you the most, and we allknow that.
But anyway, I had thisrevelation and I went back into
my brain and I spiraled, in agood way, to where I thought of
all these things that like inthe past, like this couple, like
(07:36):
occurrences in high school andstuff like that, where I was
like I actually don't think thatthis person was a good person
and it took me now, what are yougoing to do with the resolution
or revelation?
Well, my revelation is just thatnow I don't really have to
dwell on it anymore, because Ialways think of this person all
the time and I think about stillreaching out to them and like
why would I throw away thisfriendship?
This is somebody that was in mywedding, this was somebody that
(07:58):
is so close to me and sospecial to me, and their whole
entire family was so.
It's like one of those thingswhere you hold on to it, kind of
like a relationship that you'rein, like an intimate
relationship or romanticrelationship.
You spent all this time.
Why waste it?
But now I'm just kind offucking over it.
So not that it's like a new youor new me.
I hate that.
But for anyone that's beendwelling with those types of
(08:18):
relationships, move on, becauseit's not worth it.
It's just hurting you, it'shurting your mental health and
if they're not bringing anythinginto your space now, they're
probably not going to bringanything into your space later.
It's too late.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So I'm glad you said it that way too, because I was
going to say we should turn yourrevelation into a resolution.
Yeah, I got.
While we were on our break Ihad this opportunity to go to an
amazing conference and one ofthe things that conference was
how to talk to your ownsubconscious brain, right, and
one of the biggest things I tookaway from it was you can only
(08:49):
control the things you cancontrol.
Right, you cannot controlexternal things that happen to
you, but you do have controlover the emotions that you take
from it.
And one of those things thatthey said in there that was kind
of like mind-blowing to me,right, is if you think about
your brain like a computer, yoursubconscious is everything
that's running in the background.
Your conscious is your tabsthat are open.
(09:11):
Right, makes sense.
But at any point on yourcomputer you can go.
And so if your computer isprocessing 2 billion bits, right
, or 2 million bits, what you'reseeing is 156.
And they kept saying you cangrab whatever 156 you want.
So you can either, in your case, right, grab the 156 that says
I'm mad, I wasted 20 years onthis person, or you can grab the
(09:32):
156 that says you know what Idid everything I could as a
human being.
I can't do anything about them.
I can choose to let them goPerfect.
So, I think 2025, if peoplearen't, you know, adding and
hear this right, Adding value toyour life, and I'm not saying
like they have to give youthings like a positive force on
your life.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Maybe let them go, and sometimes you do it like you
know.
There's the flows andfriendship like where it's like
maybe you don't for a little bit.
That's a that's different.
Right, that's different.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
All right, let's move forward.
All right, let's move forward.
That's perfect.
Should we open the shop?
Let's open it okay, over amonth.
Girl, you better have a damnquestion for me.
What do you think about dicelike, like a pair of dice?
I feel like if I have dice inmy hand, somebody better be
playing monopoly with me,because nobody will anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's not you know.
You know my husband will, but I, I won't be there I know, every
time we've tried to play, youwere unfortunately there, no it
was one time yeah, it was onetime and I just forgot how to
play the game and you both werelike we can't do this.
This is unprofessional.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We did not control our emotions well.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, you didn't.
Okay.
What about haunted dice?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I've never experienced them, so I don't
have any thoughts, okay, but Ifeel like I'm about to oh, what
about?
A Haunted Road.
I like the podcast HauntedRoads by Amy Bruni.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay, what about A Haunted Road named Dice Road?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay, I was wondering how we were going to go.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
No, this is bringing absolutely no balance.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, Okay good.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
We're starting the first full episode with one.
I don't know.
Let's go Okay, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Okay, so this is supposedly one of the most
haunted, slash cursed roads, asit has multiple haunted
locations on the road.
Oh, and it's called Dice Road,obviously.
So the road itself is locatedbetween Saginaw and Midland.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, this is a local boy.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's why I was like I didn't know if you'd know or
not.
I'm glad you don't, Okay, solet's just dive right in.
It might be a little bitlengthy, but you know we're back
baby, and that's MidlandMichigan, not Texas.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, so let's start from where, like I guess, the
first haunting, or the thoughtto be first haunting, is, and
this is the cemetery on DiceRoad, and it's in Saginaw County
, richfield Township.
So are you ready?
I'm ready.
I am going to put some triggertrigger trigger Trigger warnings
.
Trigger warnings yes, okay, gotit.
(12:05):
Some trigger trigger.
Trigger trigger warnings yes,okay, got it.
So this haunting started withanna rhodes, who was later anna
rhodes, millerton.
So anna sadly took her own lifein 1830, um, and she didn't
have the greatest short time onthis earth.
She just did not have a reallygreat life.
So we're going to talk aboutanna a little.
So that's why I want to giveyou some triggers, because it is
(12:26):
very heartbreaking.
So Anna and her familyoriginated from Italy and
unfortunately, anna's father wassaid to go insane and he set
the family home on fire.
Oh I know, anna, at only fiveyears old, was the only survivor
and some articles say that shehad maybe some siblings.
Some say it was just herparents and her.
(12:48):
I don't know, but it doesn'tmatter.
She's the only survivor at fiveyears old.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, that's just horrifying, yeah, to lose your
whole family at such a young age, right.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So, thankfully, anna was able to like kind of lose
the tragic memories and leavethem behind, and she moved to
America with her aunt.
They picked Hemlock as theirnew home, and I don't know if it
was actually called Hemlockthen, but it is now.
While living there theybefriended a local Indian tribe
and I was trying to find outwhat tribe it was, but I, I, I
(13:23):
all the articles didn't saywhich tribe.
But they befriended a localindian tribe.
So anna became close friendswith a boy named dark hawk and
that's a badass name, if I dosay so myself.
Dark hawk um, do you know what?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
it's mid michigan, it would be chippewa right, okay I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
To be completely fair , I didn't actually Google it.
I was going off of all thearticles and none of them
actually gave the tribe a name,so I could have done better
research.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
but no, you're good, I just know.
I think most of the mid-statewas Chippewa.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Okay.
So Anna and Darkhawk grew uptogether because obviously she
moved there when she was five,so she was very little.
And as Anna grew up she grew tohave feelings for a boy named
Jonathan Millerton.
As I'm sure we can all figureout that as they grew up
together Dark Hawk developedromantic feelings for Anna, and
seeing her crush on someone elsemade him very jealous.
(14:19):
Which we all get Like we'reyoung adults.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We've all been there we're young men.
It sucks Big emotions.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Dick, very big emotions, okay.
So when Anna was 17, shemarried Jonathan.
Oh, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Young love all around .
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I know, I wish I was happy, okay, oh.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Spoiler.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, I already gave you.
So, shortly after the marriage,anna's aunt died.
Sadly, during this whole time,as we know, white people suck,
and some of the asshole whitepeople trying to push out the
tribe started sexuallyassaulting and beating the women
of the tribe, which is we don'teven have to explain it.
(15:04):
So, anna being a good woman,she tried to keep the peace and
so she was making her way to thetribe to kind of like give her,
you know, like we're not allthis way type of spiel.
But while heading through thetribe she actually witnessed all
that carnage and misery and shedidn't know that it would had
become that.
(15:24):
Um, she just didn't really knowwhat was happening, she just
knew that there was this feudand so, obviously, wait till you
hear what michigan did to alltheir children.
I know so obviously she washorrified and fucking
traumatized after seeing all ofthat.
Like I can't even imagine thiswas her, you family, I can't
even imagine so shortly aftermarrying Jonathan he was shipped
(15:49):
out into the Great Lakes tosail for the lumber trade.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Okay, dark, I feel like pretty much most people in
Michigan did at that time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So Dark Hawk saw this as his opportunity, and now
this is where I will say thatthe dark in the Dark Hawk really
comes out.
I will not take away howhorrible what happened to his
tribe was.
However, what he chose to donext is unacceptable and it just
doesn't even make sense.
But he felt that he wantedrevenge for what happened to his
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tribe and for Anna pickingJonathan over him.
So Dark Idiot, as we'll callhim, began to sexually assault
Anna while Jonathan was away.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Oh shit.
So instead of like trying tocharm her, no, we're just going
to.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, so now we have a 17-year-old girl woman with no
family.
Her tribe family was brutallyattacked and some of her people
were murdered, and by her ownwhite, you know, like her own
people.
Uh, her closest friend andchosen family became sexually
(16:55):
assaulting her and she has noreturn date for her husband at
17 years old plus the grief oflosing everybody everybody now
remember her father also, atfive, burned the whole house
down and tried to kill her.
So at 17 years old, this poorbaby that's too much has already
experienced all of that.
Okay.
So when a summer storm hit andjonathan's ship did not return,
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anna feared his death.
So, unable to bear all that shewas going through and the death
of her love, she chose to endher life, which I, I think we
can, all we can understand thatit's understandable.
Yeah, horrible, but it'shorrible it's horrifying, but,
if this wasn't said enough,jonathan did return, as his ship
(17:37):
was just delayed to additionalports to miss the storm.
I know it's so awful.
So Anna is now a wanderer ofthe woods in the near cemetery
and she isn't aware of her deathand she still searches for
Jonathan and when you see hershe appears, as people say that
(17:58):
they see her as like a bluishlight or a pinkish color light.
You can kind of picture whatI'm talking about like not a
full figure, just like a lightfigure, or some see her in full
white.
Okay, and this cemetery?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
like not disregarding the story, but your typical
kind of lady in white of thewoods, correct, okay, so the
cemetery is looking at, locatedon dice road between north
hemlock and fen road.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
For anyone brave enough to go, what?
What I will say, though, thatis after I did some research.
It does say that the originalcemetery might have not been
quite at this location, but sheis said to be in these woods of
this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The funny thing is is , while you're telling me this,
I was trying to see if I knewwhere it was.
If you type Dice Road intoGoogle Maps, it literally drops
you onto the cemetery betweenthose two roads.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So the Michigan Historical Research Foundation
for Paranormal Activity obtainedpages of Anna's journal in the
late 1800s allowing her story tobe properly told.
So this is not a myth, this is100% facts.
Which is actually worse, Ithink I don't know.
So I did want to read one ofthe entries again, with a
(19:07):
trigger warning.
This is one of her entries fromOctober 8th 1829.
Jonathan, my love, I care forhim not.
You must believe that yours arethe lips I crave.
I fear that I can no longertame Darkhawk's pursuit.
He waits for me.
Veiled by darkness of the night, he comes for me while you are
away.
My love, I am ashamed for whathas been done.
(19:28):
My sorrow great.
I cried for you, but you didnot wake from your sleep.
I beg your forgiveness, my love, and know you will come save me
.
I wait for you to wake.
Oh my god, I have full bodychills and I want to die now.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I have tears in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Just the betrayal of your childhood friend, my God.
It's not the same, but this iswhy I started this episode with
my revelation.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know, yeah, that was a little bit of a
correlation.
I see it.
I see it so horrifying, so sad,so tragic.
Just this poor, poor, sweetbaby, angel anna.
Ah, okay, now that they made usall cry, we're gonna moving
into.
Our next stop on haunted diceroad is are you ready?
(20:17):
Yes oh my god, I'm sorry forall upset the iva general store
okay you're looking at me like Ishould know, I'm not gonna know
.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No, I know you're not .
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I was just waiting for you to like.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Say so, you're like, okay okay, I didn't know you
were gonna pause that long.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I don't think I knew To be fair.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
All right, tell me about the general story.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So this building was established in 1845, located on
the corner of Iva and Dice Road,and I hope I'm saying it right
it's I-V-A, so I don't think itwould be anything different.
But it was once a post office,a general store and then an
all-around gathering place forthe town.
So it was said that on Fridaynights local farmers would come
(21:10):
to the Ivo General Store and sitaround listening to the boxing
matches on the radio.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Isn't that cute.
That's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Smart Okay so.
Does nothing for me.
Oh, the ivo general store isthe only building left from the
original town after a plaguecame through and resulted in a
quarantine and the eventualburning of the entire town oh my
god so it's kind of cool thatthat's the only building left,
do they get the people out some.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
it's one way to deal with it, I know.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So here's a quote from an article from the Bay
City Times.
So paranormal expert and ghosthunter Steve quote, prozac
Shippey, who also produces aseries of films about hauntings
around Saginaw County or aroundSaginaw County, said the town
(22:05):
perished when most of theresidents began to die from
outbreaks of smallpox,diphtheria and malaria.
Shippey believes the spiritsstill frequent the home.
And then he's quoted sayinglook at what happened here.
All of these people died fromthese horrible diseases.
Their whole town had to beburned down, everything bodies,
clothes, buildings, church.
So it's thought like thethought is that it's still a
(22:29):
gathering place for lost souls,which makes sense, because if it
kind of was that central, itwas the post office and it was a
general store and then peoplekind of gathered there there
like for Friday nights.
Like it kind of makes sense.
It's the only building left tobe a gathering place.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know who?
That is right.
His middle name is not Prozac,that's the rapper from Michigan,
Prozac, who also doesParanormal, oh I know he does
rapping yeah, I did know that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But they quote him being like Prozac yeah, and all
the other calls for like localrapper.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I have no fucking idea what rapper you are.
I haven't heard of dice road,but I have heard of pros.
Sorry, prozac, do you want tocome on the show?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
let's do it, let's have a wrap off mary lou style,
okay.
So anyway, that does make sense, though it's the last building,
or the only building.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It was already a gathering place, and I couldn't
find anything that said why itwas the like, why that building
didn't get burned down the onlything I can think of is like and
this is totally I could be sowrong but like when I picture
the general stores up by myparents house, they're almost
always made out of stone becauseif they were kind of meant to
be that like meeting place rightthere I mean, if you look at
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pictures of it it doesn't looklike it's built out of stone.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But it could be maybe , I don't know, I'm just you
might be right.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I believed, whatever my mental image showed me.
No, I'm the same way.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
All right.
So I'm not sure if Mike andCeleste Midcalf are still the
current owners, but in 2017, atthat point, they had lived there
for 10 years.
Okay, so unfortunately, this isno longer a general store,
which I think would have beenreally cool, but it's now a home
Gotcha.
So while living and renovatingthe Iva general store, they did
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experience odd occurrences.
Of course they did, so.
I would feel something brush upagainst my head while working.
Michael said One time my powersaw and the lights went out.
I knew the wiring was old.
When I had it redone, I stillhad the same problem.
And then he also stated thatthe more and the longer he would
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work, the worse theseoccurrences would get.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Listen ghosties do not like you renovating their
shit.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, and if this is their gathering place?
So one night the couple couldhear the washing machine running
and neither of them had startedany laundry, and then, when
they went down to inspect it,the washer was actually filling
up with water.
Now, these are the type ofghosts that I want, yeah yeah,
do my laundry, clean my bathroom, let's go.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, isn't that cute .
I kind of like that.
Did they put clothes in there,or was it just empty?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
because if not, then they're just running up the
water bill, I know so after awhile, the couple said that they
had to just like acknowledge itfor what it was and that the
hauntings like they just weren'tgonna stop.
So instead of it just beinglike these are weird occurrences
, like they just had to own upto it, like these hauntings are
not going to stop it's just beentoo many and yeah yeah, and
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they just had.
There's so many weird things, soif it started hurting me or
destroying property, it would bea different story.
Celeste said All right, so now,what do you?
What are your feels so far ofthis road?
Because we have this and I'mgoing to give you some time to
discuss, we've got some time forit, so we've got this.
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Will you go?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
OK, so we have the cemetery, we have the general
store, which is, I think, if youexpanded, because, like, okay,
look at the map, right, the roadcovers a large geographical
area.
So I feel like, as of right now, you could probably take most
roads and find two hauntedplaces.
So I don't know if it'sanything crazy out of hand yet.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Okay, what I will say from the cemetery to the store,
it's probably a five minutedrive.
Okay, still probably not theonly two haunted places within
five minutes, but it's probablya five minute drive.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Okay, still probably only 200 places within five
minutes, but it is starting tobuild a case.
I will give you that.
That's my feels.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh, okay, I don't have too many words for you
right now.
All right.
Moving further down Dice Road,we get to the Michigan Hell
House.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh, this one I think I've heard of.
Now, how far is this from theother two locations?
Are we still in a five minuteradius?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So from the general store.
This is probably maybe a fiveto ten minute drive from the
general store.
Okay, maybe 12.
I don't know.
Drive from the general store.
Okay, maybe 12, I don't know.
So the michigan hell house orthe it's called pomer I can
never say their name right it'sp-o-m-e-r-a-n-i-n-g, so
pomeraring pop, fuck, it's likepomerating promering.
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I kept saying promering, but Idon't think it's right, but
we're just gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So or the with the family haunting.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So there is a documentary on this called
michigan's hell house and therewas some other stuff, so you
might have maybe seen that orheard of that, or maybe it's in
your book that that might be why, because I don't know the
details, but I've definitelyheard of the house yeah.
So I'm gonna just say I thinkit's, I'm just gonna say
promering and we're gonna gowith it.
So the promering familyconsisted of harold and mabel,
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along with their two sons, duaneand terry.
Okay, so in 1951 the one-story2300 square foot home on dice
road, which is now in merrill,so the other two locations were
in um jesus christ hemlock.
Thank you, this is not merrillhemlock, and what was iva?
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well, no, they're both hemlock.
Iva was the corner road, gotcha, this house was built, okay, so
between 1974 though.
So 1951 is when the house wasbuilt.
So between 1974 and 1975, thePalmerings had horrifying
experiences.
So this haunting or poltergeist, as later referred, manifest in
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a lot of ways in the short yearbefore the family was forced
out.
Gotcha, you good.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh yeah, no, I'm good .
I'm putting together a theoryfor you while you're telling me
this story.
Oh perfect yes.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay, so this case is considered the most documented.
Haunting and paranormalinvestigators have 30 plus hours
of EVP and other evidence.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That is a significant amount of evidence.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I know and I tried to watch the documentary and y'all
, but you know me anddocumentaries, I couldn't
fucking do it.
So the family filed dozens ofpolice reports.
Can you imagine?
That's crazy?
I mean not crazy, but can youimagine keep calling the police
because of all these occurrences?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
over and, over and over.
What do you say to the police?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Right, the family had so many cases of strange
disturbances that the policeactually started surveillancing
their home without the familyeven knowing.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh, To see if they're faking it, or figure out what
was going on Correct or justwhat was going on Okay, so I was
able to find some of thesereports.
Ooh, hit me with it so.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm going to read them to you Now.
What I will say is that they'revery old and they're very hard
to read, so please bear with me.
but I am going to read you acouple of reports, okay, okay,
all right, so let me get out myhandy dandy phone because I have
them on here.
Some pictures for us, okay, sothis one.
The date of the originalcomplaint was October 31st, 74.
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What I will say is, like I said, there's dozens of reports and
complaints, so I don't know ifthis is one of the first ones I
couldn't tell you.
This is just the couple that Icould actually find where
they're actually the originalreports that I can read for you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And let's talk about this for a second as a cop
getting a call like that onOctober 31st, Are you going to
take that seriously?
On the first report or whateverreport?
This is Probably not.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Either way, if it was like the one of the first or
not, you're gonna be like it'sHalloween.
This is crazy.
Ok, at approximately 6.55 pmand it's really hard, but I
think it's McGaw.
I McGaw and Miss Betty McGawarrived at the above address,
which is their home.
The prom ring advised us thatthey had a pounding again at 630
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.
I called deputy and wasinformed that the call came in
at 638, it looks like so itstarted at 630.
They must have called at 638,it looks like so it started at
630.
They must have called at 638.
Unknown to the family, sergeantClark and Cole Spire I think
that's what it is had the houseunder surveillance.
Spire had the south end and theeast side covered and Sergeant
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Clark and I had the west and thenorth side covered.
So this call comes in and theydon't even know their house is
being surveillance at this time.
So like they're already there,yeah, every part of their home
is being surveillance, which iscrazy.
Checking with the, with bothofficers, later in the evening,
nothing was seen moving aroundthe outside at the time of the
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pounding took place.
Okay, so then this is theSergeant Clark's report.
I asked each member of thefamily where they were located
at the time of the knocking.
The mother was in the livingroom and the oldest son was
washing the dishes and theyoungest son was drying the
dishes.
Okay, so that's that part.
So then this is the 30th.
(31:55):
This is the report from again Ithink it's McGaw I and wife
visited the Palmerings and as weentered the home on Dice Road,
we heard knocking.
We could not tell where it wascoming from.
During the time of the knocking, a neighbor was watching the
back of the house and the westside.
He did not see any movementoutside.
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So now you have these policeofficers, though, actually
witnessing this, and when theysay knocking, it was like
pounding, like the house wasshaking.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It was not just a knock on the door, it was like
pounding kind of is give me likeum the start of possession
right like amityville conjuringhouse sort of deal because
that's usually how those thingsstart is yeah, it's like they.
They said the house was shakingyeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So then this is another one based off of, like
their surveillance and stoppingby on the 26th so October 26th,
so around 9.50, I same one andwife parked in the yard next
door to the Palmerings.
Shortly after we arrived, acall came over the radio and
there was knocking on the southI think it's the southeast
corner of the house.
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We saw nothing moving on thatside.
We could see the southeast sideof the house.
So then the end of the reportwas there will be a meeting with
all officers involved to decidewhat the next steps will be to
take.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Call the warrant.
I mean at least for that timeperiod.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Do something I don't know.
But isn't that wild, though,that, that you have all of these
people, like on all sides ofthis house and it's not that big
of a house, but you have allpeople on these sides of this
house watching, and then youhave people inside of the house
officers experiencing this, butno one can verify what the
fuck's happening.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So wild, I mean it just to to me gives evidence
that something supernatural waslikely going.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Okay.
So then this is kind of likethe continued report, but this
is like the official report ofthe I was going to say stakeout
but the surveillance.
So this is not the report oflike, what happened, like or you
know.
Okay, so these officers arrivedin the area at approximately
545 and took up our plannedpositions.
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Spire was located approximatelya hundred feet to the east of
the house where we could observethe northeast and the south
side of the home.
The officer was located.
This officer was located on thewest of the house of the home,
in the north, south and the westsides of the home area.
This is so weirdly written north, south and the west sides of
the home area.
This is so weirdly written.
The officer was approximately150 feet from home, in the depth
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of the west side of ChapmanRoad.
A short while after takingposition, this officer observed
the youngest son come from thehome and walk the dog to the
doghouse just southwest of thehome and scrape a metal object.
So they're trying to be reallythorough with this.
Like this is like it could beanything.
I so they're trying to bereally thorough with this.
Like this is like it could beanything.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think what they're looking to do is just anything
that could be naturallyexplained Exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It is believed that he was feeding the dog.
Having done this, walked backto the home toward the south
wall.
Approximately five minuteslater, this officer observed the
same subject come from thenorth side of the garage and
walk around the doghouse andstop.
He stood there a short periodand went back to the home by the
first route described, atapproximately 630,.
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This officer was advised by adispatcher that someone was
pounding on the house.
So this is when the call camethrough, right, so they saw all
this and then the call camethrough.
This officer requested dispatchto call the party and get
locations of the noise.
So remember, he called andasked where everybody was.
The two boys were doing dishes,blah, blah, blah.
The dispatcher reported thatnoise came from the north side
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of the house.
This officer took the action,took no action as no person or
animal was observed moving orbeing.
I don't know what that says onthe north side of the home and I
can't read the rest because itis like so faint, but it
basically just at the end itsays they left the house.
They left the home forapproximately one hour after all
of that.
So it's just crazy how you cansee both documentation from
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multiple people.
Nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Interesting Okay, what are?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
your feelings so far.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, I mean, if you have that many people backing up
and giving the evidence, like Ido, like that they kind of went
into the nitty-gritty of like,oh, he came out and did this,
like explained away the naturalthings, I it's surprising to me
that police work is gonna leanthat much into like you know,
maybe it's something I guessthey didn't say unnatural, but
they're obviously they don'tknow acting in a way that kind
of proves it.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yep, so that was all October.
This one jumps to January, 5thof 75.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So this officer was dispatched to the above address
about 2.30 pm.
Upon arrival, this officer wasinformed that the sergeant from
Lansing had spent the night atthe residence and had departed
about 6 am.
Nothing had happened untilabout 1 50 pm.
The officer arrived at the atabout 3 pm.
So now at this point they'reactually having people stay the
night at this house officers andthe owners still don't know
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this, or they do now no, they doknow this at this point.
It's getting, they're justgetting so desperate that
they're having, like they keepcalling.
So these officers and deputiesare staying the night to see
what the hell is happening.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I didn't know if they were still doing a stakeout.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
No, yeah, okay, so with Deputy Sugar, and we heard
the last four blasts.
Times of blasts were from thefile, so the report was that
they were hearing blasts.
Quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
So at 1.50 PM, 1.58 PM, 2.07 PM, 2.11 PM, 2.13, 2.17
, 2.07 pm, 2.11 pm, 2.13, 2.17,2.24, 2.28, 2.55, 3.15, 3.17,
and 3.48, there was two blasts.
Wait there was two blasts ateach of those times.
No, just at 3.48 pm two blasts.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Oh, okay, okay.
So just the last one had two,got it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So it was reported to the officer from the Palmering
from the Mr Palmering that whilethe sergeants from Lansing were
at the residence nothinghappened.
They heard a blast or two, butthey were unable to get their
equipment set up to recordanything on it.
At this time there is nothingfurther I can add.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So they just gave up, which I'm actually surprised
the police didn't give upearlier.
Let's be for real.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Isn't this crazy, though?
So we have like pounding andwhat I didn't give up earlier.
Let's be for real.
Isn't this crazy, though?
So we have like pounding andwhat I didn't know.
I mean, obviously it's like thetypical poltergeist.
Before all this started, it waslike the whisperings, the
disembodied voices, things beingmoved, covered, shut, all that
kind of stuff.
Then it was like the pounding,like the shaking of the houses,
like then we've got officers itsounds like we've got officers
spending the night.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
What the fuck as much as I don't like to give them
too much credit.
You know this is.
It sounds like the stages ofpossession that ed warren used
to lay out right like startssimple.
It starts to get more and moreyeah.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So this one is, um, basically, I think when the
family was like just fuckingover it and they don't know what
to do.
So this is a documented, likequote unquote interview from the
police station or from some,you know, like one of these
reports, and I'm going to do mybest to read it because I feel
like it has good information,but it is very old and just like
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disheveled.
So Mr Palmering advised that hebuilt the house himself in
October of 1951, prior to hismarriage, and that they had that
he had lived in the house sincethat time.
Further that on Wednesday night, 2-12-75, they had another fire
which they did not report andthat consisted of the burning of
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a roll of toilet paper hangingon the toilet paper dispenser in
the bathroom.
Mr Pomerang advised that he wasnot home at the time and Ms
Pomerang and Duane were there atthe time.
Okay officer re-interviewed MrPomerang and Duane about this
incident.
They advised that there wasapproximately half a roll of
toilet paper on the dispenser.
At about 4.25 pm they couldsmell an odor of the smoke in
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the house.
When they were preparing to goto church for Ash Wednesday they
went to the bathroom and lookedand saw that the roll of toilet
paper was burnt almostcompletely through and that a
couple of the tiles had beenpopped off of the wall just
above the toilet paper dispenserand that the curtains were
singed.
What?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
a weird day.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
What the?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
fuck Right.
Like that's happening on AshWednesday is a little happening
on ash wednesday is a little.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
This article, though, was like what was cool to me,
because I didn't know that hebuilt the house originally and
lived in it until he had hisfamily with his wife okay, so I
didn't know that part, like Ididn't realize he was the
original builder of this home sohe never had any experiences,
or this family never hadexperiences until 74 and 75,
which is very weird to me didthey do a renovation that year?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
no, um.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
So uh officer interviewed james daleski and
fred schmidt of the uh formerformers and then adjust with oh,
mutual insurance.
Okay, so they were part of theinsurance.
Um, with a letter of the claims, blah, blah, blah.
They basically couldn't figureout, they had no evidence that
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somebody didn't set this fireand they couldn't figure out how
the toilet paper which, likeusually with that kind of stuff,
you can usually find the pointof origin or something like that
.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You know what I mean.
Like our investigation ispretty thorough in the fact that
they can.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
They did do an investigation and all that was
left was like a small ash of thetoilet paper which clung to the
dispenser.
So the family was questionedand they were willing like they
had a lot of willingness to takea polygraphic um examination or
whatever you want to call it,because basically the insurance
agency and everyone wanted tosee if they were, like the cause
of the fire right I did readsome articles, though, that the
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youngest son, or one of the sons, suffered from like epilepsy
and so he was on a lot ofmedication.
So they didn't want to give hima polygraph test, so they kind
of just like didn't do any forany of the family.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I don't know, I mean polygraph tests don't do
anything anyway.
They don't.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, we know that now, but then they didn't.
But there was a ton ofinvestigation.
There was no way that thistoilet paper could have just
like caught on fire itself.
It was just one of those likemysteries.
So this is a remark from 21375.
And it is.
It is an investigation.
So this is basically remarks ofit and I found this interesting
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.
So it should be noted that twomembers of the Duke University.
Why can't, when I ever read,whenever I read this word, I
can't read it P, or I can't sayit P, s, y, c, h, I, c.
Thank you.
Why can I when I see it, I cannever say it.
So the Duke University ofPsychological Research
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Foundation in Durham, northCarolina, have been conducting
extensive testing at theresidence to determine the
source of the strange noises andstrange occurrences taking
place.
It is felt by all partiesinvolved that there is some
supernatural phenomenonoccurring in this location and
that it also could be the causeof the fires which have occurred
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.
It is the understanding of theunresigned officer that the
burning of the roll of toiletpaper is next to humanly
impossible when it is rolled upin a normal toilet paper type
roll.
Oh yeah.
As it is unable to getsignificant oxygen to produce
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enough heat to sustain burning.
However, tests will be made inregard to the roll of toilet
paper by officer, and then thestatus is open pending further
investigation.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So we definitely that's.
That's a unique haunted house,because most times you don't
have police reports to back upthe stories that you have.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Well, and like I said , they did it for dozens and
dozens.
So, I'm sure if I keptsearching I probably could have
found more.
So a final fire was actuallywhat made the family leave the
home.
So that's a that's a lot okaythat's a wild haunting, if you
ask me that's three of them ondice road now yep, that's those.
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These are the three.
So after the home was restored,a new family moved in.
Uh, and with being there formore than 40 years as the owners
, not one haunting or weirdoccurrence occurred for them.
So what do you think about DiceRoad?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I started to think ley lines.
So, that's where you kind ofsaw me looking off to the side
right Like if it's all happeningalong this road, so I did pull
up a map of the area, and Ipulled up a map of ley lines.
Now, with that being said,don't get too excited because oh
well, I just love.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I just meant I'm excited because you did all this
research really quickly.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
There's kind of a bit of a gap in ley lines in this
area.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, you know what I will say, though, is I Did you
look up the original cemetery?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Because, like I said, so the ley lines actually
pretty much skip Saginaw andMidland.
Oh shit Except there's someweird shit on ley lines in
Michigan that I never knew about.
So while the lines don't fallthere, ley lines make a giant
pentagram over Michigan, allconverging in the center on
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sault ste marie, where they usedthat paracon, and there's a
bunch of paranormal activity.
I'm doing an entire episode onthis.
So shut the fuck up.
I, I don't think it's ley linesanymore.
But you know, we, we, if youknow my favorite theory, right,
cursed indian grounds because itis chippewa.
Um, I, I think michigan is justone of those.
Yeah, states that now lookingat the ley lines.
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That makes sense to me.
But also we are surrounded byso much water and naturally
occurring minerals and rocks andstuff that all hold on to
energy that if we kind of goback to Becky's story on our
last listener write in right ofshe, she might not believe in
spirits, but she believes inenergy being health, right.
So yes, obviously, if we we goto your first story, that's a
lot of negative right of she,she might not believe in spirits
, but she believes in energybeing health, right.
So yes obviously, if we we go toyour first story, that's a lot
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of negative energy portrayed.
It would make sense thatsomething would linger behind a
lot.
You have the meeting place now,right?
This is where everyone gatheredlots of good energy.
I'm wondering with this lastone if it was maybe tied to the
family of either some sort ofattachment or poltergeist or
something that came from theirenergy.
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So maybe there's something inthe formation below dice road
with them, maybe someunderground springs or minerals
or something that is yeah maybenot directly causing the
paranormal activity, but as aperfect greeting, greeting
breeding ground for energy toremain kind of stagnant for some
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time.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, that's what I got for you, but it is weird
that it's all along this likeone road.
Well, I might have donesomething crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Did you go?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
And so yesterday I spontaneously drove the hour and
15 minutes to check out allthree locations?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
did we see the lady?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
which I know you, I was like the whole time.
I'm like zack's gonna be soproud of me because I'm just
doing this by myself.
So yesterday.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I am beyond shocked.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
You did this by yourself so if you were getting
feelings of like anxietyyesterday, it was because I was
keeping the secret, because Ididn't want to tell you.
So I was like, oh, like zach'sgonna like know that I'm lying
to him no, I think this is coolthat you did it.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I was trying.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm not, I'm not gonna be a total colby on you
all right, so also shout out toour patreon subscribers, because
they're gonna get the video ohcool okay.
So let me just really quickbecause I don't want to give it
all away because it'll be onvideo.
But yeah, so I was like,literally, I had an eye
appointment at 10am.
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I get my eyes checked and I waslike I'm gonna pop over to
Starbucks have a drink and I wasjust gonna finish my research
for this and as I'm like it'slike one o'clock and as I'm like
doing it, I just get this weirdfeeling that I'm like Kara,
yeah why not?
Fucking go, I love this Go Like,because I'm like why not?
Like we always talk about weshould go places, but I'm like
when is Zach going to be able to?
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You know what I mean?
Like just fucking go.
So I packed up my laptop.
I didn't even finish writingthe episode, I packed up my
laptop, I drove home.
I'm like that's fine, get theGoPro ready, let's go.
I got to go.
I put all of my equipment inthe bag when I just fucking did
it.
So my thought was and if youwatch the Patreon, I think
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people are, I think you guys aregonna love it, because I'm like
so fucking amped up.
But my thought was I was goingto do the cemetery first because
I wanted to spend some timethere, and then I was going to
hit up the other two locationsbecause they're just look, I
can't do anything there, I canonly drive by and take pictures.
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Okay, so it was weird.
So as I, but like I don't knowif it was weird, okay, let me
just tell you.
So the whole time I'm just likeblah.
I'm just like not blah, but I'mlike excited, but I'm not
really thinking about it.
I'm listening to podcasts,whatever.
So as I turn and I'm almostturning into Dice Road, I'm like
fucking amped.
I am not scared, I'm excited, Iam pumped.
I'm like you can see it whenI'm recording I just can't stop
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smiling.
I'm like, oh my God, I'mturning out of Dice Road.
So I turned down Dice Road andit's like, not too far after you
turn in, dice Road is thecemetery.
So after you turn in, dice Roadis the cemetery.
So I turn in and my dumb assdidn't even look up prior if it
was a public cemetery.
So thank God the gates wereopen and I can just go through.
So I go through and it's justthis tiny little cemetery like
and it's just a one roadcemetery.
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So it's like, you know, I gothrough and I'm like I want to
be respectful because I'm likeif anyone's here, I'm obviously
going to turn around because Idon't want to be disrespectful.
So I turn and I loop all theway around no one's there, and
then I pull off to where ifanyone did come through they
could easily get through.
So I'm parked, so I'm gettingout of my car and I am recording
and I'm like, oh my God, andI'm like, damn it, I think I
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think a truck's pulling in and Idon't know why I got this
really weird feeling, not like,oh, I don't want to not be
respectful, but I got a reallyfucking weird feeling.
And I haven't watched thefootage, but I was like not even
paying attention to recordingmyself, because I and I think
you can tell when you watch it,cause I was like I don't know
why.
And then this truck pulls in.
So then I'm like, okay, I'mjust going to get back in my car
(49:53):
and just sit here for a minute.
Maybe he's just dropping offflowers or something, I don't
know.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm not going to get outwhile he's here, all right.
So anyway, this guy pulls inand gave me the most off-putting
vibes I've had in a very, verylong time.
I'm sitting in my car and Ijust started getting these like
(50:14):
really weird feelings and I'mlike I have to go.
I have to go, okay.
So I left, okay.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
So I left, so I went to the general store because
that was about five minutes fromthere.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
That's why you know how far they are from each other
.
I took some pictures.
I know I took some pictures.
I drove by and it's wildbecause it looks exactly the
same.
It's the same Like, if you lookat pictures, it's not stone, I
know now, oh, it doesn't looklike stone to me, oh yeah, yeah,
well, but it really is in stone.
So it still looks the same.
But obviously somebody livesthere.
And so I say that and I'm likeI don't want to be disrespectful
(50:41):
, but I drove by a couple timesso I could get like good
pictures and good like footage.
Then I drove to the home andI'm just like, okay, like it
just looks like a normal house.
I got you guys some video ofthat.
But I could not shake this manat this cemetery.
I don't know what it was, itwas freaking me out.
And this time, by the time Ihad re-looped around and doing
this, I think maybe like 20minutes or more had passed
(51:02):
because I was trying to elongateit, even though it really
didn't take that long I go backand, as I'm like going back, I
can see this crossroad I don'tknow what crossroad this is
before I go to the cemetery andI can.
He just left, what was he doing, I don't know, but I mean, I
guess if you were visiting aloved one you could really
simply be there for 30 minutes,but it was also 30 degrees and
(51:22):
freezing, so I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
I wonder if he was like the groundkeeper or
something.
Well, I thought it was histruck.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
So that's what I thought, and I even say that in
the video I was cemetery Icouldn't see over, I was kind of
looking, whatever.
So I go in the cemetery andwhat I will say is I was
probably only there for about 10minutes in there doing anything
because I was really freakedout about this guy.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Hey, if you get a bad gut feeling, then trust it,
zach, it was a.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
It was horrible.
Anyway, I brought the REM padand stuff and I brought a bunch
of other stuff, but there reallywasn't a good spot for me to
like sit, so I did have the REMpod out myself.
Hitting it multiple times isthe only time it went off.
And I didn't have, you know,our um, like you have some of
the equipment.
So I did use ghost tube, theghost tube app, which, whatever,
and what I will say is I didn'tget any.
(52:12):
I was hoping that I could getlike Anna or dark Hawk, and I
tried to be an asshole and kindof get Darkhawk to say something
, but I didn't.
But I did get really weird onesand this is the weirdest one
and I will leave it at this andthen the rest can be used for
the video, the second I set up.
I turn on the ghost tube and itsays you're back.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Oh weird.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
And I said I am back Like because I was back.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I usually don't trust that app, but that one's spot
on.
But how do you what?
That's weird.
Yeah, that's an odd one forsure.
So, ooh, okay, I can't wait tosee the video.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Listen, the video is not the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
I will just like again, but I think you can see,
yeah, but at least put a visualto it, Right?
We don't get to do.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I was, how fucking terrified I was of this man
terrified.
And then you get the visuals ofthe story.
So this will this the video Ithink will go out, probably at
the end of february, for patreon.
So you guys get this video andthen, or you get this yeah
episode and then that'll go outperfect cool oh nice job.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Spooky adventure for y'all I'm really excited and
very proud that you did thisbecause, like, I just feel like
that shows the change Well,going alone From two years ago
to now For either one of us isweird.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
I mean, I've gotten alone to creepy places, but I
mean, I know you have but liketo fully investigate.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, no, that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
I'm proud of you.
I wish it would have went alittle differently, but you know
.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Hey, you know, hey, you know what not every
investigation is gonna.
If they all did, then wewouldn't believe any of them.
So exactly, fuck that creepyman.
Nicely done.
Um, I think our emoji for thisepisode has to be a dice or die
perfect, I didn't even think ofthat all right, uh michigan
listeners.
If you have any stories fromdice road, let us know yeah, I
did try to look up some reddit.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Couldn't find any good ones fair enough.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Well, it was our first week back.
We went long, so shall we wrapthis shop up and get out of?
Speaker 2 (54:08):
here.
Leave us a dice emoji or dieemoji, whatever it's called.
We love and appreciate you.
Thank you so much for beingpatreons.
If you are, we really, reallyappreciate you and give us some
you know advice or things thatyou want to see.
Absolutely, um, and hopefullyyou like my solo investigation
video.
Um, but anyway, that's reallyall I have for you guys.
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Um, thank you for beingappreciative of us.
We appreciate you.
Thank you for understanding ourbreak and, again, the most
important thing that you can dofor us is to creep a real yard
balls goodbye.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
I'm home with the dogmen At the Irish shop.
(55:02):
Woke in the shadows At theIrish shop and home with the
eyeballs At the Irish shop.
The door's always open At theIE shop.
I want to dance with the mothman At the Irish show.
I want to dance with theMothman at the IA shop.
Bathe in the moonlight at theIA shop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe IA shop.
The door's always open at theIA shop shop.
(00:54):
What's up, oddballs?
Welcome back to the party.
Welcome back to the oddity shop, the podcast where we tell you
all the creepy, weird, odd,strange, bizarre stories from
around the world.
I'm your curator, zachary,sitting with your other curator,
kara kara.
How are you?
Why are you voguing?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
well, because you know you were just.
I thought you were going tokeep going with the compliments
that and you just didn't.
But anyway, I'm great good, I'mglad.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'm so glad to hear it.
Okay, I know it's february, butthis is like our first legit
episode back from our break.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I want to know the favorite gifts you got for
christmas.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
People go are um okay , well, I got a lot, I was
supposed I want to go where thepeople are, and I want to, yeah
I know.
That's why thank you uh I wantto be where the people are, I
want to be where the I want togo.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
it's fine, nobody cares, whatever.
Um favorite gifts I got toomany.
I got a random gift just fornot for christmas because my
husband knew I needed multiplenew hair tools, so he bought me
the dyson air wrap, which is a500 blow dryer dryer Thanks.
My hair looks fabulous.
It does look really good,thanks, and it's like really
quick and easy.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So you know how you know it's a good hair product is
.
I've actually heard about itbefore.
You told me you got one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So I got that to be fair.
Not that anyone cares, but ifyou were wondering, I did buy
the shark first to see becauseit's half the price, awful.
I returned it and I wasn't evengoing to buy the dyson, but
aaron just bought it for meanyway.
Anyway, very nice.
So that's not really christmasbut that was what I got.
But for christmas I got awalking pad because I really
wanted one.
I got a body um heating padbecause I'm old and my back
(02:38):
hurts.
I got a dyson the green machinebecause I wanted to like clean
my couch and do I was puke.
I got my little weenie light upsign.
I got a weenie light up sign.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I like that for those who don't see our little clips.
She has a skeleton behind herthat's now holding a weenie, so
your skeleton has a wiener, nice.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, and then I got a really cute purse Awesome.
And oh, my mommy bought me abunch of meat that's a solid
gift.
Right there though she got me abunch of steaks, just
perfection, amazing.
So what was your favorite gifts?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
okay, I I also have to say a few of them, but one
I've been wanting for a longtime the rock tumbler, which I
not only got one of, but I gottwo, which now means, I can
stagger.
My tumbler tumbles tumbling.
In a week my first batch shouldbe done.
And if you don't think, if youare near and dear to me and you
listen to this, if you don'tthink you're going to start
getting gifted rocks from meconstantly.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You are so wrong how long does it take?
A week, a six day?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
um, you have to tumble them for a month yeah,
across a week per grit and youhave to go.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh yeah, so, but now it does make sense to have two,
yeah, oh yeah, absolutely okay.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's cool, um, because you can only put a pound
in there at a time too.
So by october I should bethrough all my rocks oh my god
and then I got rechargeable handwarmers, which have been a
lifesaver.
I'm'm actually out walking inthe winter.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's amazing.
That's a really good gift.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
So, so, very practical.
It was so amazing.
Then this thing.
I'll have to post a picture ofthis.
It is absolutely just beyondgorgeous, but it is a felt
sculpted statue of a dryad.
It is beautiful.
It is one of the most gorgeousthings I've ever seen in my life
.
I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
beautiful, it is one of the most gorgeous things I've
ever seen in my life, I'mobsessed with it, and she had
her arm out and so I put apendant or a pendulum.
I have goosebumps actuallybecause it's so beautiful.
Where does she get that, do youremember?
I don't know.
Okay, we'll have to ask.
I'll look.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'll look when I or I ask her too yeah, it was
beautiful um, and then the lastone I have is a handcrafted one
from dad which he hasn't quitefinished yet, but he showed me
pictures of it which is a custommothman themed epoxy resin
inlaid ouija board and I can'tfucking wait to see this.
(04:57):
Yes which, speaking of that,okay, keep your eyes out for new
ad we might have in the nearfuture from a mystical wood
goods shop coming soon.
Possibly so, and if you werepart of the Patreon, giveaway
you already know what some ofthis stuff looks like.
You received some.
But, we'll make sure to to getthat ad out there when, when
(05:19):
those things are ready to go,because it's amazing stuff, not
just because it's for my ownfamily, I would actually.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, it's amazing stuff, not just because it's for
my own family I would actually.
No, it actually is beautiful.
I have so many pieces that yourdad has made me over the years
and I look at them all the timeand I'm just like you might have
more in my room, but I justhaven't seen you yet.
Do you know what's so cool?
Is that, like, whenever you gethandmade pieces like when you
go to art shows or likeconventions that we go to, and
you get these handmade pieces,like it's just like one of it,
(05:44):
just for me, it warms my souland sometimes it makes me cry,
you know what I mean.
Like you just tear up becauseit's just like amazing.
But when you get pieces thatare like that from somebody that
you know, my brain cannotcompute how that person made
that, because it's just soincredible to me that I don't
understand how they made itRight.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Which last thing?
Because you said cons, right,which okay.
Last thing.
Because you said cons, guys,remember our home.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Con is gone if you are going to cool events this
year and you think that weshould?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
also go to those cool events.
Let us know we want to go, wewant to see, we want to hang out
with you, we want to be aroundcreepy, weird, paranormal people
.
Keep us posted okay, okay yes,that's all I've got for you.
What else?
What do you have?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I have a revelation which I kind of told you about
and I'm going to talk about iton the podcast because I think
that other people might needthis revelation.
Ok, and I will not call out myname, but if you somehow listen
to this, you know who the fuckyou are, and that's all I'm
going to say.
So my revelation is I told youthe other day and you actually
(06:51):
oddly thought of this person,which is not a person that you
should really think of you, you,zach, you thought of this
person and then you got anxietybecause I had this revelation of
this person that has been oneof my quote unquote best friends
since we were children.
It was like a 25 plus yearrelationship that we had
friendship and it ended abruptly.
I think I might've talked aboutit a little bit.
It ended abruptly with thisperson just not talking to me
anymore for no reason.
I reached out multiple times tothe point where Zach's like
you're making yourself yeah, itwas time to move on, depressed,
(07:15):
sad.
It was time to move on.
So I did move on.
But I had this revelationbecause I heard somebody quote
that sometimes the people thatyou thought was actually your
closest, deepest friends aresometimes the people that, like
hurt you the most, and we allknow that.
But anyway, I had thisrevelation and I went back into
my brain and I spiraled, in agood way, to where I thought of
all these things that like inthe past, like this couple, like
(07:36):
occurrences in high school andstuff like that, where I was
like I actually don't think thatthis person was a good person
and it took me now, what are yougoing to do with the resolution
or revelation?
Well, my revelation is just thatnow I don't really have to
dwell on it anymore, because Ialways think of this person all
the time and I think about stillreaching out to them and like
why would I throw away thisfriendship?
This is somebody that was in mywedding, this was somebody that
(07:58):
is so close to me and sospecial to me, and their whole
entire family was so.
It's like one of those thingswhere you hold on to it, kind of
like a relationship that you'rein, like an intimate
relationship or romanticrelationship.
You spent all this time.
Why waste it?
But now I'm just kind offucking over it.
So not that it's like a new youor new me.
I hate that.
But for anyone that's beendwelling with those types of
(08:18):
relationships, move on, becauseit's not worth it.
It's just hurting you, it'shurting your mental health and
if they're not bringing anythinginto your space now, they're
probably not going to bringanything into your space later.
It's too late.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So I'm glad you said it that way too, because I was
going to say we should turn yourrevelation into a resolution.
Yeah, I got.
While we were on our break Ihad this opportunity to go to an
amazing conference and one ofthe things that conference was
how to talk to your ownsubconscious brain, right, and
one of the biggest things I tookaway from it was you can only
(08:49):
control the things you cancontrol.
Right, you cannot controlexternal things that happen to
you, but you do have controlover the emotions that you take
from it.
And one of those things thatthey said in there that was kind
of like mind-blowing to me,right, is if you think about
your brain like a computer, yoursubconscious is everything
that's running in the background.
Your conscious is your tabsthat are open.
(09:11):
Right, makes sense.
But at any point on yourcomputer you can go.
And so if your computer isprocessing 2 billion bits, right
, or 2 million bits, what you'reseeing is 156.
And they kept saying you cangrab whatever 156 you want.
So you can either, in your case, right, grab the 156 that says
I'm mad, I wasted 20 years onthis person, or you can grab the
(09:32):
156 that says you know what Idid everything I could as a
human being.
I can't do anything about them.
I can choose to let them goPerfect.
So, I think 2025, if peoplearen't, you know, adding and
hear this right, Adding value toyour life, and I'm not saying
like they have to give youthings like a positive force on
your life.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Maybe let them go, and sometimes you do it like you
know.
There's the flows andfriendship like where it's like
maybe you don't for a little bit.
That's a that's different.
Right, that's different.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
All right, let's move forward.
All right, let's move forward.
That's perfect.
Should we open the shop?
Let's open it okay, over amonth.
Girl, you better have a damnquestion for me.
What do you think about dicelike, like a pair of dice?
I feel like if I have dice inmy hand, somebody better be
playing monopoly with me,because nobody will anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's not you know.
You know my husband will, but I, I won't be there I know, every
time we've tried to play, youwere unfortunately there, no it
was one time yeah, it was onetime and I just forgot how to
play the game and you both werelike we can't do this.
This is unprofessional.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We did not control our emotions well.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, you didn't.
Okay.
What about haunted dice?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I've never experienced them, so I don't
have any thoughts, okay, but Ifeel like I'm about to oh, what
about?
A Haunted Road.
I like the podcast HauntedRoads by Amy Bruni.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay, what about A Haunted Road named Dice Road?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay, I was wondering how we were going to go.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
No, this is bringing absolutely no balance.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, Okay good.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
We're starting the first full episode with one.
I don't know.
Let's go Okay, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Okay, so this is supposedly one of the most
haunted, slash cursed roads, asit has multiple haunted
locations on the road.
Oh, and it's called Dice Road,obviously.
So the road itself is locatedbetween Saginaw and Midland.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, this is a local boy.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's why I was like I didn't know if you'd know or
not.
I'm glad you don't, Okay, solet's just dive right in.
It might be a little bitlengthy, but you know we're back
baby, and that's MidlandMichigan, not Texas.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, so let's start from where, like I guess, the
first haunting, or the thoughtto be first haunting, is, and
this is the cemetery on DiceRoad, and it's in Saginaw County
, richfield Township.
So are you ready?
I'm ready.
I am going to put some triggertrigger trigger Trigger warnings
.
Trigger warnings yes, okay, gotit.
(12:05):
Some trigger trigger.
Trigger trigger warnings yes,okay, got it.
So this haunting started withanna rhodes, who was later anna
rhodes, millerton.
So anna sadly took her own lifein 1830, um, and she didn't
have the greatest short time onthis earth.
She just did not have a reallygreat life.
So we're going to talk aboutanna a little.
So that's why I want to giveyou some triggers, because it is
(12:26):
very heartbreaking.
So Anna and her familyoriginated from Italy and
unfortunately, anna's father wassaid to go insane and he set
the family home on fire.
Oh I know, anna, at only fiveyears old, was the only survivor
and some articles say that shehad maybe some siblings.
Some say it was just herparents and her.
(12:48):
I don't know, but it doesn'tmatter.
She's the only survivor at fiveyears old.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, that's just horrifying, yeah, to lose your
whole family at such a young age, right.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So, thankfully, anna was able to like kind of lose
the tragic memories and leavethem behind, and she moved to
America with her aunt.
They picked Hemlock as theirnew home, and I don't know if it
was actually called Hemlockthen, but it is now.
While living there theybefriended a local Indian tribe
and I was trying to find outwhat tribe it was, but I, I, I
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all the articles didn't saywhich tribe.
But they befriended a localindian tribe.
So anna became close friendswith a boy named dark hawk and
that's a badass name, if I dosay so myself.
Dark hawk um, do you know what?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
it's mid michigan, it would be chippewa right, okay I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
To be completely fair , I didn't actually Google it.
I was going off of all thearticles and none of them
actually gave the tribe a name,so I could have done better
research.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
but no, you're good, I just know.
I think most of the mid-statewas Chippewa.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Okay.
So Anna and Darkhawk grew uptogether because obviously she
moved there when she was five,so she was very little.
And as Anna grew up she grew tohave feelings for a boy named
Jonathan Millerton.
As I'm sure we can all figureout that as they grew up
together Dark Hawk developedromantic feelings for Anna, and
seeing her crush on someone elsemade him very jealous.
(14:19):
Which we all get Like we'reyoung adults.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We've all been there we're young men.
It sucks Big emotions.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Dick, very big emotions, okay.
So when Anna was 17, shemarried Jonathan.
Oh, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Young love all around .
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I know, I wish I was happy, okay, oh.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Spoiler.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, I already gave you.
So, shortly after the marriage,anna's aunt died.
Sadly, during this whole time,as we know, white people suck,
and some of the asshole whitepeople trying to push out the
tribe started sexuallyassaulting and beating the women
of the tribe, which is we don'teven have to explain it.
(15:04):
So, anna being a good woman,she tried to keep the peace and
so she was making her way to thetribe to kind of like give her,
you know, like we're not allthis way type of spiel.
But while heading through thetribe she actually witnessed all
that carnage and misery and shedidn't know that it would had
become that.
(15:24):
Um, she just didn't really knowwhat was happening, she just
knew that there was this feudand so, obviously, wait till you
hear what michigan did to alltheir children.
I know so obviously she washorrified and fucking
traumatized after seeing all ofthat.
Like I can't even imagine thiswas her, you family, I can't
even imagine so shortly aftermarrying Jonathan he was shipped
(15:49):
out into the Great Lakes tosail for the lumber trade.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Okay, dark, I feel like pretty much most people in
Michigan did at that time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So Dark Hawk saw this as his opportunity, and now
this is where I will say thatthe dark in the Dark Hawk really
comes out.
I will not take away howhorrible what happened to his
tribe was.
However, what he chose to donext is unacceptable and it just
doesn't even make sense.
But he felt that he wantedrevenge for what happened to his
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tribe and for Anna pickingJonathan over him.
So Dark Idiot, as we'll callhim, began to sexually assault
Anna while Jonathan was away.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Oh shit.
So instead of like trying tocharm her, no, we're just going
to.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, so now we have a 17-year-old girl woman with no
family.
Her tribe family was brutallyattacked and some of her people
were murdered, and by her ownwhite, you know, like her own
people.
Uh, her closest friend andchosen family became sexually
(16:55):
assaulting her and she has noreturn date for her husband at
17 years old plus the grief oflosing everybody everybody now
remember her father also, atfive, burned the whole house
down and tried to kill her.
So at 17 years old, this poorbaby that's too much has already
experienced all of that.
Okay.
So when a summer storm hit andjonathan's ship did not return,
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anna feared his death.
So, unable to bear all that shewas going through and the death
of her love, she chose to endher life, which I, I think we
can, all we can understand thatit's understandable.
Yeah, horrible, but it'shorrible it's horrifying, but,
if this wasn't said enough,jonathan did return, as his ship
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was just delayed to additionalports to miss the storm.
I know it's so awful.
So Anna is now a wanderer ofthe woods in the near cemetery
and she isn't aware of her deathand she still searches for
Jonathan and when you see hershe appears, as people say that
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they see her as like a bluishlight or a pinkish color light.
You can kind of picture whatI'm talking about like not a
full figure, just like a lightfigure, or some see her in full
white.
Okay, and this cemetery?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
like not disregarding the story, but your typical
kind of lady in white of thewoods, correct, okay, so the
cemetery is looking at, locatedon dice road between north
hemlock and fen road.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
For anyone brave enough to go, what?
What I will say, though, thatis after I did some research.
It does say that the originalcemetery might have not been
quite at this location, but sheis said to be in these woods of
this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The funny thing is is , while you're telling me this,
I was trying to see if I knewwhere it was.
If you type Dice Road intoGoogle Maps, it literally drops
you onto the cemetery betweenthose two roads.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So the Michigan Historical Research Foundation
for Paranormal Activity obtainedpages of Anna's journal in the
late 1800s allowing her story tobe properly told.
So this is not a myth, this is100% facts.
Which is actually worse, Ithink I don't know.
So I did want to read one ofthe entries again, with a
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trigger warning.
This is one of her entries fromOctober 8th 1829.
Jonathan, my love, I care forhim not.
You must believe that yours arethe lips I crave.
I fear that I can no longertame Darkhawk's pursuit.
He waits for me.
Veiled by darkness of the night, he comes for me while you are
away.
My love, I am ashamed for whathas been done.
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My sorrow great.
I cried for you, but you didnot wake from your sleep.
I beg your forgiveness, my love, and know you will come save me
.
I wait for you to wake.
Oh my god, I have full bodychills and I want to die now.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I have tears in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Just the betrayal of your childhood friend, my God.
It's not the same, but this iswhy I started this episode with
my revelation.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know, yeah, that was a little bit of a
correlation.
I see it.
I see it so horrifying, so sad,so tragic.
Just this poor, poor, sweetbaby, angel anna.
Ah, okay, now that they made usall cry, we're gonna moving
into.
Our next stop on haunted diceroad is are you ready?
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Yes oh my god, I'm sorry forall upset the iva general store
okay you're looking at me like Ishould know, I'm not gonna know
.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No, I know you're not .
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I was just waiting for you to like.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Say so, you're like, okay okay, I didn't know you
were gonna pause that long.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I don't think I knew To be fair.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
All right, tell me about the general story.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So this building was established in 1845, located on
the corner of Iva and Dice Road,and I hope I'm saying it right
it's I-V-A, so I don't think itwould be anything different.
But it was once a post office,a general store and then an
all-around gathering place forthe town.
So it was said that on Fridaynights local farmers would come
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to the Ivo General Store and sitaround listening to the boxing
matches on the radio.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Isn't that cute.
That's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Smart Okay so.
Does nothing for me.
Oh, the ivo general store isthe only building left from the
original town after a plaguecame through and resulted in a
quarantine and the eventualburning of the entire town oh my
god so it's kind of cool thatthat's the only building left,
do they get the people out some.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
it's one way to deal with it, I know.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So here's a quote from an article from the Bay
City Times.
So paranormal expert and ghosthunter Steve quote, prozac
Shippey, who also produces aseries of films about hauntings
around Saginaw County or aroundSaginaw County, said the town
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perished when most of theresidents began to die from
outbreaks of smallpox,diphtheria and malaria.
Shippey believes the spiritsstill frequent the home.
And then he's quoted sayinglook at what happened here.
All of these people died fromthese horrible diseases.
Their whole town had to beburned down, everything bodies,
clothes, buildings, church.
So it's thought like thethought is that it's still a
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gathering place for lost souls,which makes sense, because if it
kind of was that central, itwas the post office and it was a
general store and then peoplekind of gathered there there
like for Friday nights.
Like it kind of makes sense.
It's the only building left tobe a gathering place.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know who?
That is right.
His middle name is not Prozac,that's the rapper from Michigan,
Prozac, who also doesParanormal, oh I know he does
rapping yeah, I did know that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But they quote him being like Prozac yeah, and all
the other calls for like localrapper.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I have no fucking idea what rapper you are.
I haven't heard of dice road,but I have heard of pros.
Sorry, prozac, do you want tocome on the show?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
let's do it, let's have a wrap off mary lou style,
okay.
So anyway, that does make sense, though it's the last building,
or the only building.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It was already a gathering place, and I couldn't
find anything that said why itwas the like, why that building
didn't get burned down the onlything I can think of is like and
this is totally I could be sowrong but like when I picture
the general stores up by myparents house, they're almost
always made out of stone becauseif they were kind of meant to
be that like meeting place rightthere I mean, if you look at
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pictures of it it doesn't looklike it's built out of stone.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But it could be maybe , I don't know, I'm just you
might be right.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I believed, whatever my mental image showed me.
No, I'm the same way.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
All right.
So I'm not sure if Mike andCeleste Midcalf are still the
current owners, but in 2017, atthat point, they had lived there
for 10 years.
Okay, so unfortunately, this isno longer a general store,
which I think would have beenreally cool, but it's now a home
Gotcha.
So while living and renovatingthe Iva general store, they did
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experience odd occurrences.
Of course they did, so.
I would feel something brush upagainst my head while working.
Michael said One time my powersaw and the lights went out.
I knew the wiring was old.
When I had it redone, I stillhad the same problem.
And then he also stated thatthe more and the longer he would
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work, the worse theseoccurrences would get.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Listen ghosties do not like you renovating their
shit.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, and if this is their gathering place?
So one night the couple couldhear the washing machine running
and neither of them had startedany laundry, and then, when
they went down to inspect it,the washer was actually filling
up with water.
Now, these are the type ofghosts that I want, yeah yeah,
do my laundry, clean my bathroom, let's go.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, isn't that cute .
I kind of like that.
Did they put clothes in there,or was it just empty?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
because if not, then they're just running up the
water bill, I know so after awhile, the couple said that they
had to just like acknowledge itfor what it was and that the
hauntings like they just weren'tgonna stop.
So instead of it just beinglike these are weird occurrences
, like they just had to own upto it, like these hauntings are
not going to stop it's just beentoo many and yeah yeah, and
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they just had.
There's so many weird things, soif it started hurting me or
destroying property, it would bea different story.
Celeste said All right, so now,what do you?
What are your feels so far ofthis road?
Because we have this and I'mgoing to give you some time to
discuss, we've got some time forit, so we've got this.
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Will you go?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
OK, so we have the cemetery, we have the general
store, which is, I think, if youexpanded, because, like, okay,
look at the map, right, the roadcovers a large geographical
area.
So I feel like, as of right now, you could probably take most
roads and find two hauntedplaces.
So I don't know if it'sanything crazy out of hand yet.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Okay, what I will say from the cemetery to the store,
it's probably a five minutedrive.
Okay, still probably not theonly two haunted places within
five minutes, but it's probablya five minute drive.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Okay, still probably only 200 places within five
minutes, but it is starting tobuild a case.
I will give you that.
That's my feels.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh, okay, I don't have too many words for you
right now.
All right.
Moving further down Dice Road,we get to the Michigan Hell
House.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh, this one I think I've heard of.
Now, how far is this from theother two locations?
Are we still in a five minuteradius?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So from the general store.
This is probably maybe a fiveto ten minute drive from the
general store.
Okay, maybe 12.
I don't know.
Drive from the general store.
Okay, maybe 12, I don't know.
So the michigan hell house orthe it's called pomer I can
never say their name right it'sp-o-m-e-r-a-n-i-n-g, so
pomeraring pop, fuck, it's likepomerating promering.
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I kept saying promering, but Idon't think it's right, but
we're just gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So or the with the family haunting.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So there is a documentary on this called
michigan's hell house and therewas some other stuff, so you
might have maybe seen that orheard of that, or maybe it's in
your book that that might be why, because I don't know the
details, but I've definitelyheard of the house yeah.
So I'm gonna just say I thinkit's, I'm just gonna say
promering and we're gonna gowith it.
So the promering familyconsisted of harold and mabel,
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along with their two sons, duaneand terry.
Okay, so in 1951 the one-story2300 square foot home on dice
road, which is now in merrill,so the other two locations were
in um jesus christ hemlock.
Thank you, this is not merrillhemlock, and what was iva?
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well, no, they're both hemlock.
Iva was the corner road, gotcha, this house was built, okay, so
between 1974 though.
So 1951 is when the house wasbuilt.
So between 1974 and 1975, thePalmerings had horrifying
experiences.
So this haunting or poltergeist, as later referred, manifest in
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a lot of ways in the short yearbefore the family was forced
out.
Gotcha, you good.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh yeah, no, I'm good .
I'm putting together a theoryfor you while you're telling me
this story.
Oh perfect yes.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay, so this case is considered the most documented.
Haunting and paranormalinvestigators have 30 plus hours
of EVP and other evidence.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That is a significant amount of evidence.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I know and I tried to watch the documentary and y'all
, but you know me anddocumentaries, I couldn't
fucking do it.
So the family filed dozens ofpolice reports.
Can you imagine?
That's crazy?
I mean not crazy, but can youimagine keep calling the police
because of all these occurrences?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
over and, over and over.
What do you say to the police?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Right, the family had so many cases of strange
disturbances that the policeactually started surveillancing
their home without the familyeven knowing.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh, To see if they're faking it, or figure out what
was going on Correct or justwhat was going on Okay, so I was
able to find some of thesereports.
Ooh, hit me with it so.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm going to read them to you Now.
What I will say is that they'revery old and they're very hard
to read, so please bear with me.
but I am going to read you acouple of reports, okay, okay,
all right, so let me get out myhandy dandy phone because I have
them on here.
Some pictures for us, okay, sothis one.
The date of the originalcomplaint was October 31st, 74.
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What I will say is, like I said, there's dozens of reports and
complaints, so I don't know ifthis is one of the first ones I
couldn't tell you.
This is just the couple that Icould actually find where
they're actually the originalreports that I can read for you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And let's talk about this for a second as a cop
getting a call like that onOctober 31st, Are you going to
take that seriously?
On the first report or whateverreport?
This is Probably not.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Either way, if it was like the one of the first or
not, you're gonna be like it'sHalloween.
This is crazy.
Ok, at approximately 6.55 pmand it's really hard, but I
think it's McGaw.
I McGaw and Miss Betty McGawarrived at the above address,
which is their home.
The prom ring advised us thatthey had a pounding again at 630
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.
I called deputy and wasinformed that the call came in
at 638, it looks like so itstarted at 630.
They must have called at 638,it looks like so it started at
630.
They must have called at 638.
Unknown to the family, sergeantClark and Cole Spire I think
that's what it is had the houseunder surveillance.
Spire had the south end and theeast side covered and Sergeant
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Clark and I had the west and thenorth side covered.
So this call comes in and theydon't even know their house is
being surveillance at this time.
So like they're already there,yeah, every part of their home
is being surveillance, which iscrazy.
Checking with the, with bothofficers, later in the evening,
nothing was seen moving aroundthe outside at the time of the
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pounding took place.
Okay, so then this is theSergeant Clark's report.
I asked each member of thefamily where they were located
at the time of the knocking.
The mother was in the livingroom and the oldest son was
washing the dishes and theyoungest son was drying the
dishes.
Okay, so that's that part.
So then this is the 30th.
(31:55):
This is the report from again Ithink it's McGaw I and wife
visited the Palmerings and as weentered the home on Dice Road,
we heard knocking.
We could not tell where it wascoming from.
During the time of the knocking, a neighbor was watching the
back of the house and the westside.
He did not see any movementoutside.
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So now you have these policeofficers, though, actually
witnessing this, and when theysay knocking, it was like
pounding, like the house wasshaking.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It was not just a knock on the door, it was like
pounding kind of is give me likeum the start of possession
right like amityville conjuringhouse sort of deal because
that's usually how those thingsstart is yeah, it's like they.
They said the house was shakingyeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So then this is another one based off of, like
their surveillance and stoppingby on the 26th so October 26th,
so around 9.50, I same one andwife parked in the yard next
door to the Palmerings.
Shortly after we arrived, acall came over the radio and
there was knocking on the southI think it's the southeast
corner of the house.
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We saw nothing moving on thatside.
We could see the southeast sideof the house.
So then the end of the reportwas there will be a meeting with
all officers involved to decidewhat the next steps will be to
take.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Call the warrant.
I mean at least for that timeperiod.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Do something I don't know.
But isn't that wild, though,that, that you have all of these
people, like on all sides ofthis house and it's not that big
of a house, but you have allpeople on these sides of this
house watching, and then youhave people inside of the house
officers experiencing this, butno one can verify what the
fuck's happening.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So wild, I mean it just to to me gives evidence
that something supernatural waslikely going.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Okay.
So then this is kind of likethe continued report, but this
is like the official report ofthe I was going to say stakeout
but the surveillance.
So this is not the report oflike, what happened, like or you
know.
Okay, so these officers arrivedin the area at approximately
545 and took up our plannedpositions.
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Spire was located approximatelya hundred feet to the east of
the house where we could observethe northeast and the south
side of the home.
The officer was located.
This officer was located on thewest of the house of the home,
in the north, south and the westsides of the home area.
This is so weirdly written north, south and the west sides of
the home area.
This is so weirdly written.
The officer was approximately150 feet from home, in the depth
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of the west side of ChapmanRoad.
A short while after takingposition, this officer observed
the youngest son come from thehome and walk the dog to the
doghouse just southwest of thehome and scrape a metal object.
So they're trying to be reallythorough with this.
Like this is like it could beanything.
I so they're trying to bereally thorough with this.
Like this is like it could beanything.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think what they're looking to do is just anything
that could be naturallyexplained Exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It is believed that he was feeding the dog.
Having done this, walked backto the home toward the south
wall.
Approximately five minuteslater, this officer observed the
same subject come from thenorth side of the garage and
walk around the doghouse andstop.
He stood there a short periodand went back to the home by the
first route described, atapproximately 630,.
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This officer was advised by adispatcher that someone was
pounding on the house.
So this is when the call camethrough, right, so they saw all
this and then the call camethrough.
This officer requested dispatchto call the party and get
locations of the noise.
So remember, he called andasked where everybody was.
The two boys were doing dishes,blah, blah, blah.
The dispatcher reported thatnoise came from the north side
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of the house.
This officer took the action,took no action as no person or
animal was observed moving orbeing.
I don't know what that says onthe north side of the home and I
can't read the rest because itis like so faint, but it
basically just at the end itsays they left the house.
They left the home forapproximately one hour after all
of that.
So it's just crazy how you cansee both documentation from
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multiple people.
Nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Interesting Okay, what are?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
your feelings so far.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, I mean, if you have that many people backing up
and giving the evidence, like Ido, like that they kind of went
into the nitty-gritty of like,oh, he came out and did this,
like explained away the naturalthings, I it's surprising to me
that police work is gonna leanthat much into like you know,
maybe it's something I guessthey didn't say unnatural, but
they're obviously they don'tknow acting in a way that kind
of proves it.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yep, so that was all October.
This one jumps to January, 5thof 75.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So this officer was dispatched to the above address
about 2.30 pm.
Upon arrival, this officer wasinformed that the sergeant from
Lansing had spent the night atthe residence and had departed
about 6 am.
Nothing had happened untilabout 1 50 pm.
The officer arrived at the atabout 3 pm.
So now at this point they'reactually having people stay the
night at this house officers andthe owners still don't know
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this, or they do now no, they doknow this at this point.
It's getting, they're justgetting so desperate that
they're having, like they keepcalling.
So these officers and deputiesare staying the night to see
what the hell is happening.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I didn't know if they were still doing a stakeout.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
No, yeah, okay, so with Deputy Sugar, and we heard
the last four blasts.
Times of blasts were from thefile, so the report was that
they were hearing blasts.
Quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
So at 1.50 PM, 1.58 PM, 2.07 PM, 2.11 PM, 2.13, 2.17
, 2.07 pm, 2.11 pm, 2.13, 2.17,2.24, 2.28, 2.55, 3.15, 3.17,
and 3.48, there was two blasts.
Wait there was two blasts ateach of those times.
No, just at 3.48 pm two blasts.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Oh, okay, okay.
So just the last one had two,got it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So it was reported to the officer from the Palmering
from the Mr Palmering that whilethe sergeants from Lansing were
at the residence nothinghappened.
They heard a blast or two, butthey were unable to get their
equipment set up to recordanything on it.
At this time there is nothingfurther I can add.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So they just gave up, which I'm actually surprised
the police didn't give upearlier.
Let's be for real.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Isn't this crazy, though?
So we have like pounding andwhat I didn't give up earlier.
Let's be for real.
Isn't this crazy, though?
So we have like pounding andwhat I didn't know.
I mean, obviously it's like thetypical poltergeist.
Before all this started, it waslike the whisperings, the
disembodied voices, things beingmoved, covered, shut, all that
kind of stuff.
Then it was like the pounding,like the shaking of the houses,
like then we've got officers itsounds like we've got officers
spending the night.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
What the fuck as much as I don't like to give them
too much credit.
You know this is.
It sounds like the stages ofpossession that ed warren used
to lay out right like startssimple.
It starts to get more and moreyeah.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So this one is, um, basically, I think when the
family was like just fuckingover it and they don't know what
to do.
So this is a documented, likequote unquote interview from the
police station or from some,you know, like one of these
reports, and I'm going to do mybest to read it because I feel
like it has good information,but it is very old and just like
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disheveled.
So Mr Palmering advised that hebuilt the house himself in
October of 1951, prior to hismarriage, and that they had that
he had lived in the house sincethat time.
Further that on Wednesday night, 2-12-75, they had another fire
which they did not report andthat consisted of the burning of
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a roll of toilet paper hangingon the toilet paper dispenser in
the bathroom.
Mr Pomerang advised that he wasnot home at the time and Ms
Pomerang and Duane were there atthe time.
Okay officer re-interviewed MrPomerang and Duane about this
incident.
They advised that there wasapproximately half a roll of
toilet paper on the dispenser.
At about 4.25 pm they couldsmell an odor of the smoke in
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the house.
When they were preparing to goto church for Ash Wednesday they
went to the bathroom and lookedand saw that the roll of toilet
paper was burnt almostcompletely through and that a
couple of the tiles had beenpopped off of the wall just
above the toilet paper dispenserand that the curtains were
singed.
What?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
a weird day.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
What the?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
fuck Right.
Like that's happening on AshWednesday is a little happening
on ash wednesday is a little.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
This article, though, was like what was cool to me,
because I didn't know that hebuilt the house originally and
lived in it until he had hisfamily with his wife okay, so I
didn't know that part, like Ididn't realize he was the
original builder of this home sohe never had any experiences,
or this family never hadexperiences until 74 and 75,
which is very weird to me didthey do a renovation that year?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
no, um.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
So uh officer interviewed james daleski and
fred schmidt of the uh formerformers and then adjust with oh,
mutual insurance.
Okay, so they were part of theinsurance.
Um, with a letter of the claims, blah, blah, blah.
They basically couldn't figureout, they had no evidence that
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somebody didn't set this fireand they couldn't figure out how
the toilet paper which, likeusually with that kind of stuff,
you can usually find the pointof origin or something like that
.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You know what I mean.
Like our investigation ispretty thorough in the fact that
they can.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
They did do an investigation and all that was
left was like a small ash of thetoilet paper which clung to the
dispenser.
So the family was questionedand they were willing like they
had a lot of willingness to takea polygraphic um examination or
whatever you want to call it,because basically the insurance
agency and everyone wanted tosee if they were, like the cause
of the fire right I did readsome articles, though, that the
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youngest son, or one of the sons, suffered from like epilepsy
and so he was on a lot ofmedication.
So they didn't want to give hima polygraph test, so they kind
of just like didn't do any forany of the family.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I don't know, I mean polygraph tests don't do
anything anyway.
They don't.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, we know that now, but then they didn't.
But there was a ton ofinvestigation.
There was no way that thistoilet paper could have just
like caught on fire itself.
It was just one of those likemysteries.
So this is a remark from 21375.
And it is.
It is an investigation.
So this is basically remarks ofit and I found this interesting
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.
So it should be noted that twomembers of the Duke University.
Why can't, when I ever read,whenever I read this word, I
can't read it P, or I can't sayit P, s, y, c, h, I, c.
Thank you.
Why can I when I see it, I cannever say it.
So the Duke University ofPsychological Research
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Foundation in Durham, northCarolina, have been conducting
extensive testing at theresidence to determine the
source of the strange noises andstrange occurrences taking
place.
It is felt by all partiesinvolved that there is some
supernatural phenomenonoccurring in this location and
that it also could be the causeof the fires which have occurred
(42:44):
.
It is the understanding of theunresigned officer that the
burning of the roll of toiletpaper is next to humanly
impossible when it is rolled upin a normal toilet paper type
roll.
Oh yeah.
As it is unable to getsignificant oxygen to produce
(43:04):
enough heat to sustain burning.
However, tests will be made inregard to the roll of toilet
paper by officer, and then thestatus is open pending further
investigation.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So we definitely that's.
That's a unique haunted house,because most times you don't
have police reports to back upthe stories that you have.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Well, and like I said , they did it for dozens and
dozens.
So, I'm sure if I keptsearching I probably could have
found more.
So a final fire was actuallywhat made the family leave the
home.
So that's a that's a lot okaythat's a wild haunting, if you
ask me that's three of them ondice road now yep, that's those.
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These are the three.
So after the home was restored,a new family moved in.
Uh, and with being there formore than 40 years as the owners
, not one haunting or weirdoccurrence occurred for them.
So what do you think about DiceRoad?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I started to think ley lines.
So, that's where you kind ofsaw me looking off to the side
right Like if it's all happeningalong this road, so I did pull
up a map of the area, and Ipulled up a map of ley lines.
Now, with that being said,don't get too excited because oh
well, I just love.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I just meant I'm excited because you did all this
research really quickly.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
There's kind of a bit of a gap in ley lines in this
area.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, you know what I will say, though, is I Did you
look up the original cemetery?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Because, like I said, so the ley lines actually
pretty much skip Saginaw andMidland.
Oh shit Except there's someweird shit on ley lines in
Michigan that I never knew about.
So while the lines don't fallthere, ley lines make a giant
pentagram over Michigan, allconverging in the center on
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sault ste marie, where they usedthat paracon, and there's a
bunch of paranormal activity.
I'm doing an entire episode onthis.
So shut the fuck up.
I, I don't think it's ley linesanymore.
But you know, we, we, if youknow my favorite theory, right,
cursed indian grounds because itis chippewa.
Um, I, I think michigan is justone of those.
Yeah, states that now lookingat the ley lines.
(45:21):
That makes sense to me.
But also we are surrounded byso much water and naturally
occurring minerals and rocks andstuff that all hold on to
energy that if we kind of goback to Becky's story on our
last listener write in right ofshe, she might not believe in
spirits, but she believes inenergy being health, right.
So yes, obviously, if we we goto your first story, that's a
lot of negative right of she,she might not believe in spirits
, but she believes in energybeing health, right.
So yes obviously, if we we go toyour first story, that's a lot
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of negative energy portrayed.
It would make sense thatsomething would linger behind a
lot.
You have the meeting place now,right?
This is where everyone gatheredlots of good energy.
I'm wondering with this lastone if it was maybe tied to the
family of either some sort ofattachment or poltergeist or
something that came from theirenergy.
(46:04):
So maybe there's something inthe formation below dice road
with them, maybe someunderground springs or minerals
or something that is yeah maybenot directly causing the
paranormal activity, but as aperfect greeting, greeting
breeding ground for energy toremain kind of stagnant for some
(46:25):
time.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, that's what I got for you, but it is weird
that it's all along this likeone road.
Well, I might have donesomething crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Did you go?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
And so yesterday I spontaneously drove the hour and
15 minutes to check out allthree locations?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
did we see the lady?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
which I know you, I was like the whole time.
I'm like zack's gonna be soproud of me because I'm just
doing this by myself.
So yesterday.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I am beyond shocked.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
You did this by yourself so if you were getting
feelings of like anxietyyesterday, it was because I was
keeping the secret, because Ididn't want to tell you.
So I was like, oh, like zach'sgonna like know that I'm lying
to him no, I think this is coolthat you did it.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I was trying.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm not, I'm not gonna be a total colby on you
all right, so also shout out toour patreon subscribers, because
they're gonna get the video ohcool okay.
So let me just really quickbecause I don't want to give it
all away because it'll be onvideo.
But yeah, so I was like,literally, I had an eye
appointment at 10am.
(47:23):
I get my eyes checked and I waslike I'm gonna pop over to
Starbucks have a drink and I wasjust gonna finish my research
for this and as I'm like it'slike one o'clock and as I'm like
doing it, I just get this weirdfeeling that I'm like Kara,
yeah why not?
Fucking go, I love this Go Like,because I'm like why not?
Like we always talk about weshould go places, but I'm like
when is Zach going to be able to?
(47:44):
You know what I mean?
Like just fucking go.
So I packed up my laptop.
I didn't even finish writingthe episode, I packed up my
laptop, I drove home.
I'm like that's fine, get theGoPro ready, let's go.
I got to go.
I put all of my equipment inthe bag when I just fucking did
it.
So my thought was and if youwatch the Patreon, I think
(48:06):
people are, I think you guys aregonna love it, because I'm like
so fucking amped up.
But my thought was I was goingto do the cemetery first because
I wanted to spend some timethere, and then I was going to
hit up the other two locationsbecause they're just look, I
can't do anything there, I canonly drive by and take pictures.
(48:26):
Okay, so it was weird.
So as I, but like I don't knowif it was weird, okay, let me
just tell you.
So the whole time I'm just likeblah.
I'm just like not blah, but I'mlike excited, but I'm not
really thinking about it.
I'm listening to podcasts,whatever.
So as I turn and I'm almostturning into Dice Road, I'm like
fucking amped.
I am not scared, I'm excited, Iam pumped.
I'm like you can see it whenI'm recording I just can't stop
(48:48):
smiling.
I'm like, oh my God, I'mturning out of Dice Road.
So I turned down Dice Road andit's like, not too far after you
turn in, dice Road is thecemetery.
So after you turn in, dice Roadis the cemetery.
So I turn in and my dumb assdidn't even look up prior if it
was a public cemetery.
So thank God the gates wereopen and I can just go through.
So I go through and it's justthis tiny little cemetery like
and it's just a one roadcemetery.
(49:10):
So it's like, you know, I gothrough and I'm like I want to
be respectful because I'm likeif anyone's here, I'm obviously
going to turn around because Idon't want to be disrespectful.
So I turn and I loop all theway around no one's there, and
then I pull off to where ifanyone did come through they
could easily get through.
So I'm parked, so I'm gettingout of my car and I am recording
and I'm like, oh my God, andI'm like, damn it, I think I
(49:32):
think a truck's pulling in and Idon't know why I got this
really weird feeling, not like,oh, I don't want to not be
respectful, but I got a reallyfucking weird feeling.
And I haven't watched thefootage, but I was like not even
paying attention to recordingmyself, because I and I think
you can tell when you watch it,cause I was like I don't know
why.
And then this truck pulls in.
So then I'm like, okay, I'mjust going to get back in my car
(49:53):
and just sit here for a minute.
Maybe he's just dropping offflowers or something, I don't
know.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm not going to get outwhile he's here, all right.
So anyway, this guy pulls inand gave me the most off-putting
vibes I've had in a very, verylong time.
I'm sitting in my car and Ijust started getting these like
(50:14):
really weird feelings and I'mlike I have to go.
I have to go, okay.
So I left, okay.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
So I left, so I went to the general store because
that was about five minutes fromthere.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
That's why you know how far they are from each other
.
I took some pictures.
I know I took some pictures.
I drove by and it's wildbecause it looks exactly the
same.
It's the same Like, if you lookat pictures, it's not stone, I
know now, oh, it doesn't looklike stone to me, oh yeah, yeah,
well, but it really is in stone.
So it still looks the same.
But obviously somebody livesthere.
And so I say that and I'm likeI don't want to be disrespectful
(50:41):
, but I drove by a couple timesso I could get like good
pictures and good like footage.
Then I drove to the home andI'm just like, okay, like it
just looks like a normal house.
I got you guys some video ofthat.
But I could not shake this manat this cemetery.
I don't know what it was, itwas freaking me out.
And this time, by the time Ihad re-looped around and doing
this, I think maybe like 20minutes or more had passed
(51:02):
because I was trying to elongateit, even though it really
didn't take that long I go backand, as I'm like going back, I
can see this crossroad I don'tknow what crossroad this is
before I go to the cemetery andI can.
He just left, what was he doing, I don't know, but I mean, I
guess if you were visiting aloved one you could really
simply be there for 30 minutes,but it was also 30 degrees and
(51:22):
freezing, so I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
I wonder if he was like the groundkeeper or
something.
Well, I thought it was histruck.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
So that's what I thought, and I even say that in
the video I was cemetery Icouldn't see over, I was kind of
looking, whatever.
So I go in the cemetery andwhat I will say is I was
probably only there for about 10minutes in there doing anything
because I was really freakedout about this guy.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Hey, if you get a bad gut feeling, then trust it,
zach, it was a.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
It was horrible.
Anyway, I brought the REM padand stuff and I brought a bunch
of other stuff, but there reallywasn't a good spot for me to
like sit, so I did have the REMpod out myself.
Hitting it multiple times isthe only time it went off.
And I didn't have, you know,our um, like you have some of
the equipment.
So I did use ghost tube, theghost tube app, which, whatever,
and what I will say is I didn'tget any.
(52:12):
I was hoping that I could getlike Anna or dark Hawk, and I
tried to be an asshole and kindof get Darkhawk to say something
, but I didn't.
But I did get really weird onesand this is the weirdest one
and I will leave it at this andthen the rest can be used for
the video, the second I set up.
I turn on the ghost tube and itsays you're back.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Oh weird.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
And I said I am back Like because I was back.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I usually don't trust that app, but that one's spot
on.
But how do you what?
That's weird.
Yeah, that's an odd one forsure.
So, ooh, okay, I can't wait tosee the video.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Listen, the video is not the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
I will just like again, but I think you can see,
yeah, but at least put a visualto it, Right?
We don't get to do.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I was, how fucking terrified I was of this man
terrified.
And then you get the visuals ofthe story.
So this will this the video Ithink will go out, probably at
the end of february, for patreon.
So you guys get this video andthen, or you get this yeah
episode and then that'll go outperfect cool oh nice job.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Spooky adventure for y'all I'm really excited and
very proud that you did thisbecause, like, I just feel like
that shows the change Well,going alone From two years ago
to now For either one of us isweird.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
I mean, I've gotten alone to creepy places, but I
mean, I know you have but liketo fully investigate.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, no, that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
I'm proud of you.
I wish it would have went alittle differently, but you know
.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Hey, you know, hey, you know what not every
investigation is gonna.
If they all did, then wewouldn't believe any of them.
So exactly, fuck that creepyman.
Nicely done.
Um, I think our emoji for thisepisode has to be a dice or die
perfect, I didn't even think ofthat all right, uh michigan
listeners.
If you have any stories fromdice road, let us know yeah, I
did try to look up some reddit.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Couldn't find any good ones fair enough.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Well, it was our first week back.
We went long, so shall we wrapthis shop up and get out of?
Speaker 2 (54:08):
here.
Leave us a dice emoji or dieemoji, whatever it's called.
We love and appreciate you.
Thank you so much for beingpatreons.
If you are, we really, reallyappreciate you and give us some
you know advice or things thatyou want to see.
Absolutely, um, and hopefullyyou like my solo investigation
video.
Um, but anyway, that's reallyall I have for you guys.
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Um, thank you for beingappreciative of us.
We appreciate you.
Thank you for understanding ourbreak and, again, the most
important thing that you can dofor us is to creep a real yard
balls goodbye.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
I'm home with the dogmen At the Irish shop.
(55:02):
Woke in the shadows At theIrish shop and home with the
eyeballs At the Irish shop.
The door's always open At theIE shop.
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