March 13, 2025 • 50 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your curator Kara is talking about Internet Influencers, Summoning Demons...and MUDER
Could the allure of dark magic lead one down a dangerous path? We explore this chilling curiosity with a look into the life of EA Koetting, a figure enshrined in controversy within the occult community.
Our conversation takes a solemn turn as we remember Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman, whose celebration turned into tragedy, prompting us to question the broader implications of sinister influences.
Koetting's narrative blurs the lines between cult leader and con artist. We scrutinize the challenges faced in holding such figures accountable and ponder the role of media platforms in spreading potentially harmful ideologies.
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How are you, kara the Curator?
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It has a good ring to it, though it kind of does.
How are you?
I'm Zach.
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I didn't, but it's still mylongest week.
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Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, has anyone made you do something that you
didn't want to do?
And, let's be real, that's arhetorical question.
Has anyone made you dosomething that you didn't want
to do?
And let's be real, that's arhetorical question.
Yeah, because, of course, atone point we've all been
influenced to buy something orchange our hair or our style.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'd like to say I'm like a recovering people,
pleaser.
So the amount of times I'vedone that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
An influence.
You'd probably expect to belike under TikToker in the
dictionary.
But nay, nay, to be like undertiktoker in the dictionary, but
nay, nay, uh.
Influence, for those that don'tknow is the act or power of
producing an effect withoutapparent exertion or force or
direct exercise of command.
Okay, so in modern use the nountypically refers to the power
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to change or affect someone orsomething, especially the power
to cause changes withoutdirectly forcing those changes
to happen.
So I have a second question foryou.
Okay, do you think someonecould convince you to do
something morally wrong like now?
I'm saying now not let you know, we've all done bad things
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because people told us to peerpressure and all, but is alcohol
involved?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, you seem to talk into doing stupid shit
after a few drinks.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So I'll say I would say, yeah, you know honestly,
yeah, with knowing what I knowabout language and how people
use it, I feel like I'd be alittle bit better.
But people can be damninfluencing yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's our world.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Truly.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, Now if you said or did something that then
influenced someone to go and dosomething morally wrong, would
you care?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Like if I made somebody do it no.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Let's just say you just like said something.
Maybe you didn't directly liketell somebody to go do something
, but you just said somethingwhatever that then influenced
somebody to go and do thismorally wrong thing.
Gotcha, would you care.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh yeah, I would.
I feel like I have a bit of aguilty conscience at times, so
it would definitely it would getat me.
Yeah, that's a triple threatquestion too.
Nicely done.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
OK, I have another one, oh my triple threat
question too.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Nicely done, okay, I have another one.
Oh my god, is this?
Because every time you don'thave one prepared to make, you
think of it on the spot.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So now you're like no , okay, so you would feel guilty
.
Now, this person did somethingmorally wrong.
Do you think that you should beheld responsible?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
oh okay, I'm gonna say most times yes because like
uh, can you just answer thequestion and shut your pie hole?
Yes, yes, you should be heldresponsible.
I am getting excited.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh, you always think you should be held responsible
Like you didn't do anythingthough.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Comes down to intent Just think about it.
I don't have to.
I don't have to.
It comes down to intent thatperson intended to make the
other person act.
Yes, you should absolutely 100%of the time, be held if you
didn't mean to.
I think you have to look atthat as a case-by-case basis.
So like if I told you to gostep on a frog and you stepped
on that frog, absolutely myfault, okay.
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If I said, oh, I really hatefrogs and then you went and
stepped on the frog and I didn'tintend to make you do it, I I
think that you have to look atcase by case.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't know where frogs came from, but okay, I I
don't know if you know whatwe're actually getting into.
I think, oh, I think I mightknow what you think it is, but
you okay, okay, but what itdoesn't, I'm excited either way,
yeah okay, so there is adisclaimer.
This one gets dark.
I know we talk about a lot ofdark stuff.
I try to keep it as not dark,but we're going to get
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depressing here.
All right, matthew Lawrencehave you heard of him?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, ok, not the story that I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think I knew what you were talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I don't think I know this one yet, but OK, you might
OK.
I still love these kind ofstories.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So what about EA Coetting?
Have you heard of him?
Okay, so I've heard his namepronounced multiple different
ways.
Some people say Ketting, somepeople say Coetting, but most
pronounce it Coetting, so I'mgoing to go with that, what's?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
it spelled K-O-E-T-T-I-N-G.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Cool, all right.
So for those that have not, heis American self-styled
occultist and author, and I willread you what Google Books
about the author from 2011 says,and it reads this EA Coetting
has invested over a dozen over adozen years.
Why did I just glitch y'all?
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I'm sorry, this is going to behard to get through today.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Try again.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Send the vibes to your girl.
He's invested over a dozenyears studying the mysteries of
the occult and their practicalapplications.
He has spent the last decadeteaching and guiding others in
their ascent.
Coetting is the author ofseveral books on the esoteric
and has, over the past few years, risen as a leader of the
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practical spirit.
You know, I can't say that wordspirituality.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Spirituality.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Thank you.
Movement Coetting has appearednationally on Coast to Coast AM
with George Noory and othersyndicated and internet radio
shows, to name a few, and I'mnot gonna name them all because
I don't care.
Uh, amazon review um is, theytook like more of like the
sabrina carpenter approach.
Short and sweet, I just can'tget into her I think she's cute.
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Oh my god.
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Can you pathwork every grimoire?
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Oh my god, I can't fuckingspeak today.
In the complete works of eaco-editing wow, he's an
accomplished dude well, uh.
So speaking of himself, hestates I grew up in a mormon
household.
I've always had a push towardsthe spiritual and supernatural.
We would read these scripturesevery night, and as we would
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read about these prophets andthe miracles they would perform,
I always kind of wanted to lookbehind it and say, okay, well,
how did they do that?
What was their method?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Oh, so he's like he wants to expose magicians, sort
of deal.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Additionally, ea is an influencer of fuckery, and
that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I think that is the one of the best titles I've ever
heard.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Thanks he.
If you look at him or look atvideos of him, he is like in my
mom's basement dwelling trashpig.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Again my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Anyway, he has like 25 books and or grimoires I
couldn't even find the exactamount, but he's got a lot and
along with his books, he offerscourses on and consultations,
merch insight through socialmedia and podcasts.
And then, just to give you kindof like an insight, like on
some stats, he had 128,000followers on Facebook, 87,000
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followers on YouTube.
This is in like 2020.
And that's like that is a bigamount of people to be sharing
insights with.
In one of his YouTube videos,viewed more than 17,000 times,
he says, and I quote when youdestroy the victim, there is a
release, a massive explosion ofpower and energy.
If you can harness that andpush it towards a goal, it's
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powerful beyond most other formsof magic.
It's the blackest magic,without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh, so he's doing like dark magic shit.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Do we know who?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
the?
What kind of victim?
Sorry, I have so many questions.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Don't worry, though, because he does add a clause in
there.
Sorry, I have so many questions.
Don't worry, though, because hedoes add a clause in there, um,
basically to advocate for, like, not harming anyone.
But in that clause it says tocover myself legally.
Like it's not even, like, hey,I don't promote killing people,
it's just that it's just tocover myself legally.
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Is what he put in there?
Like, you did that Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I might have more of an idea of who this guy is what
A shit dick.
Okay, go on.
I actually I might know of him.
Okay, well, he's a shit dick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So, however, one of his books describes how to
murder another person with aknife in a ritual sacrifice Okay
.
Another suggests that you studythe terrorist handbook, because
this provides practicalguidance on how to kill another
person.
Then that's an exact quote.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Wonder where this is going.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So in a Fox 13 interview, ea explains that his
black magic he teaches can beviolent, selfish and dangerous.
Another quote from this POS isI don't care what you use it for
, I don't care if you use thesecurses to kill people or to kill
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cancer, doesn't matter to me.
Cool, cool, cool, cool doesn'tmatter to me.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Okay that I that those two sentences just say so
much about him as a human being.
Um, okay, so enough about thisdirtbag influencer or whatever
he calls himself magicianbullshit, okay.
So on june 5th 2020, bibaibaHenry and her sister Nicole
Smallman headed to Freyent Ithink it's how you say it
country park in London, and theywere meeting friends and family
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to celebrate Biba's 46thbirthday.
So, due to COVID restrictions,because that was 2020.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I was thinking that, yeah, june was early in too.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So that was kind of the perfect place.
Do it in a park, hang out aftertheir like outdoor picnic.
That's kind of what they did ispicnic after their outdoor
picnic.
And it kind of got late,friends and family they left and
it was kind of late when theyleft.
So Biba and Nicole stayed.
Biba and Nicole stayed and at1.05 am Biba sent a text to her
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boyfriend stating that the twowere doing the most wholesome
thing ever.
They were dancing in a field.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Isn't that so cute, like two sisters just dancing
around in a field.
I kind of love it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I love it too.
It's like mid 40s.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So she's 46 and her younger sister was 26 or 7.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Still, fun, it's just so fucking cute.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So at 115 pictures, the show that the two were
playing with they kept sayingfairy lights and when I looked
it up, some say it was likechristmas lights, but I think it
might have been those stringlights yeah, it's like those
string lights with leds that youhave camping.
Yeah so I think they wereplaying with those, which is
even more fucking wholesome thatthey're just dancing in a field
, just them two playing withfucking fairy lights.
I love it.
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I already gave a disclaimer.
So we, we know we're we, we knowthat they never came home yeah,
I mean, I think, even withoutthe disclaimer, the little bit
at the beginning here the twowere reported missing on june
6th and the family and friendsof both of them were informed
that the police would head outand they would get leads on.
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You know, the girls were aboutto do whatever, but sadly this
actually never happened.
Oh, wow, and I'm not quite surewhat.
I don't know what the holdupwas.
I'm not really sure.
But not wanting to waste anymore time, nicole's boyfriend,
adam Stone, his parents and thena friend of Biba's started
their own kind of search, and so, on June 7th, they headed back
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to the park.
So after locating theirsunglasses or a pair of
sunglasses, adam stumbled uponthe girls under a tree line.
Glasses or a pair of sunglasses, adam stumbled upon the girls
under a tree line.
No, 27 year old nicole smallmanand 46 year old biba henry were
found lifeless, being stabbed 8and 28 times like one was
stabbed 8, the other 28, damn,okay.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, this is, I'm gonna say, a crime of passion.
Okay, why, if one of them isstabbed that many times and the
other one isn't, they were likethe main victim.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, I got you .
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's my guess.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
No, that makes sense All right.
So that's all horrifying andit's awful, and you know.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Say no more.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
This part, though, we can appreciate.
About a month after the murders, a DNA sample was linked by
police and we this is I just beloving dna.
Okay, so it was linked bypolice.
Um, and it was linked to a pastconviction.
Did your light just turn on?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
they turn off automatically at nine o'clock,
so I have to turn them back onthat scared me and you're just
sitting there so calm.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm like did your lights just turn off and on and
you're just sitting thereeverything's fine, cara.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Pay no attention to the lights so funny.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Um, okay, so the dna was linked to a past conviction,
so that's cool.
You know it's like you lovethat shit.
All right, so this brought thepolice to the hussein residence.
They proceeded to raid the home.
Okay, so on July 1st 2020, 19year old Daniel Hussein was
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arrested.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I remember hearing about these two and some of the
story, but I didn't connect itto the first guy.
Now I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So his father?
No, you're not excited.
Excited as you can be for amurder story, uh his father's
past crime was actually the dnathat was linked then from the
knife that was actually left atthe crime scene.
Say that again.
Okay, so they.
Their past conviction wasdaniel's dad and his dna was
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linked to the knife that was atthe crime scene.
So that's how they linked it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was just because his dad was already in the
system.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They linked it to this house.
Just because his dad wasalready in the system, they
linked it to this house.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, so they found like a family member.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So familial DNA, baby Always solving some crimes.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm still waiting for my goddamn DNA and I want to
solve a crime.
I want to be part of anunsolved murder or some dumb
shit.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You're're gonna like figure out like your favorite
family member is a murderer orsomething that would happen on
your fam I'll be okay with it.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That's so disturbing, okay?
Um, a little bit about thisfuck bag, another fuck bag.
So, at just 15, daniel wasmonitored by the consent from
October 2017 to May 2018.
And the consent, the con.
Oh my God, it's not the consent.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think you're waiting for me to give you the
word, but I don't know.
I've been trying to figure itout since you said consent I
don't know why it's called thecontest.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't know why I said consent, but anyway, this
was founded after 9-11 and it'sthe United Kingdom's
counterterrorism strategy.
Okay, so he was actually put onthis monitoring because on his
school computer he had accessedfar-right material and norse
mythology so just just stuffthat he shouldn't have been
looking up on.
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A fucking school norsemythology get too flagged.
Well, I think that.
And it was just a bunch ofother shit, you know, okay.
So three days before the murder, cctv showed Daniel purchasing
knives and candles at a localsupermarket.
And then, over the next 10 daysafter the murder, daniel spent
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$203.
Cents on lottery tickets andbets.
Okay, so here's where we getmore fucked up.
During the police raid,officers found a handwritten
agreement, and I'm going to readit to you.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Can we just like go back to one thing real quick
before?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
the agreement.
Yeah, you tell me whateveryou'd like to.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Okay, chat away If your father is either still in
jail or was in jail or didsomething with the crime where
he's in the system why would henever also commit the?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
crime and then leave the dna with, like the, the
knife at the scene yeah, and Icouldn't find what his dad did,
and I couldn't even find hisdad's name, it kept just saying
his father.
So I was trying to see what the.
I was just curious because,yeah, what like to get in the
system?
I don't know, I feel like youhave to have like I don't know
it had to be significant butlike here's if your dad has
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literally been booked.
You have to be careful yeah, andI, I mean he's fucking 19, he's
an idiot, idiot, okay.
So this is.
I'm gonna kind of explain.
So the top center of this paperis it's written and it says
agreement, okay.
Under that it says for themighty king lucifuge rofi kale.
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And then it's like bulletedokay, these are the bullets.
Perform a minimum of sixsacrifices every six months for
as long as I am free andphysically capable.
Sacrifice only women.
Build a temple for you.
Do everything that I havepromised.
And then under that is, it saysfor me.
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And then some more bullets.
And then in those bullets itsays win the mega million Super
Jackpot to receive fruitfulrewards in return for the future
sacrifice I make to you.
The rewards could consist ofwealth and power, to never be
suspected of any crimes by thepolice, and also that the police
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will never know of any crimesthat I have done and that I will
do.
And then it is signed in bloodDaniel.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
This guy's like the dumbest criminal ever.
Ok, first of all, what are yougoing to do?
Deny that you made theagreement.
You wrote it in your own DNA,and you're also busted buying
the knife on camera, and thenthe lottery tickets Can you
imagine his lawyer is like youwould just look at those three
things ago.
You're fucked.
Can you imagine his?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
lawyer is like you would just look at those three
things and go you're fucked.
So, according to theoccultistnet, lucifuge Rofakel
is a pivotal figure in theoccult world, associated with
wealth, earthly pleasures andforbidden knowledge.
As such, he is often summonedto for obtaining these fine
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things, is often summoned forobtaining these fine things.
Lucifuge is also considered bysome to be the darker aspect of
Lucifer, as his interests aretied to earthly rather than
celestial affairs.
Lucifuge is often depicted asthe prime minister to the
international nope, to theinfernal monarchy, serving
directly under Lucifer.
He manages the government ofthe demonic realm, exercising
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power over its wealth andtreasures.
In some interpretations, he isconsidered the antithesis of the
archangel Raphael, a figure ofhealing and light, and then he
is known for his dominion overworldly goods, granting riches
and material abundance to thosewho summon him correctly.
However, these gifts come witha price, often requiring a pact
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sign in the magician's blood,symbolizing the spiritual bond
formed between the summoner andthe demon, and his origins can
be traced back to the grimoirenamed Le Dragon Rouge or the Red
Dragon, that was published inthe 19th century.
It's actually also commonlyknown as the Grand Grimoire.
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It is divided into two books,and the first one contains
instructions for summoning ademon, for the construction of
tools with which to force thedemon to do one's bidding I have
so much to say on that, butlet's go let me hear you.
You don't even want to right.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's like one of those the 22nd thing is like
what, what?
What type of delusion sorry forthe stuttering what type of
delusion must you live in whereyou think you can make a deal
with the devil, basically, andthen also control it?
To do you're not going tocontrol the demon.
You ain't gonna win that game,baby here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I very much think that you can summon a demon I
think you can absolutely summonone I don't think you're gonna
get what you fucking want to get, though you can try to get
though.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You can try to bargain.
You ain't going to control that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Let me just tell you that the amount of times I just
said his name, and even everytime I thought his name as I was
typing and researching, I wasthinking that I might be
accidentally summoning him and Iwas like getting a little
little sketched out.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Time to do a little cleansing.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Oh yeah, I know, but yeah, I don't know how you'd
think that this is going to workin your favor, you stupid
little boy.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Said it pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Okay, so further into the murder investigation, it
was found that Daniel was partof a satanic themed internet
forum called Becoming a LivingGod themed internet forum called
becoming a living god.
Becoming a living god is acompany belonging to drum roll,
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our original douchebag co-edding.
So in this forum, danielalleged he was a psychic vampire
and asked for advice aboutdemonic packs.
He stated he oh my God, and heasked for advice about demonic
packs.
He also stated in this forumthat he learned his first ever
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spell from co-edding.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh, a little bit of butt kissing some brown nosing
Mm.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Hmm, oh, a little bit of butt kissing some brown
nosing.
He was apparently part of thisforum at this point for like at
least two years, loggingcountless hours in activity Like
he.
He was always up in there likeasking questions, like putting
his commentary in there.
Just a little fucker, okay.
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So Coetting's advice in hisgrimoires on this forum and his
videos is always to include inyour pact the attainment of
wealth.
Use your sorcery to becomewealthy.
Money is power, and who couldforget that wonderful quote from
the start of the episode whenyou destroy the victim, there is
a release, a massive explosionof power and energy.
If you can harness that andpush it towards a goal, it's
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powerful beyond most other formsof magic.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Can't we just stick to like money bowls and
manifesting?
Do we really have to go thewhole like demon winning the
mega millions route?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
There's gotta be easier ways go the whole like
demon winning the mega millionsroute.
There's gotta be easier ways.
I, yeah, I mean I guess likewhy, why do you?
Yeah, why do you have to summona demon?
Like, theoretically, you couldbe doing not black magic and you
can still be trying to like,yeah, win the lottery, like if
that's all you wanted was to winthe fucking lottery, I'm sure
sure you could do that Not witha demon.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
At least start to try something else first.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
but I just, I mean, it's mind blowing.
You know, truly, what are wegoing to do?
Okay, I guess I just don't,even, I don't have any words,
nevermind.
I was going to say I'm likeit's, there's nothing to even
fucking say about this,douchebags.
Okay.
So Professor Matthew Feldmansaid some of Coetting's work
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could amount to incitement tomurder and he stated one book
that he has, works of Darkness,describes how to murder another
person with a knife and a ritualsacrifice with a knife and a
ritual sacrifice.
Another book, apex of Eternity,advises people to study the
terrorist handbook and providespractical guidance on how to
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kill another person.
This is the best example I havecome across of someone saying
this is what you must do tobecome strong, powerful, rich.
He has 87,000 followers onYouTube.
Oh my god.
87,000 followers on YouTube.
Oh my God.
87,000 YouTube subscribers,128,000 on Facebook.
If 0.1% of people take thatseriously, as Daniel Hussain
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clearly did, and think this iswhat I have to do to become
famous, that's 200 potentialmurderers.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah.
And you think, oh, that's sucha small percentage when you
break down the numbers.
Holy crap, 200 potentialmurderers.
Yeah, like anything.
Oh, that's such a smallpercentage when you break down
the numbers, holy crap, 200potential murderers.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, having a podcast.
I'm terrified of offendingsomebody and this lunatic is out
here like promoting murder tothousands and thousands of
people.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's amazing, like people like him, or the teal
swans, the cult leaders of theworld, the colloidal silver lady
whose name is Amy Carlson Allof them are doing this through
YouTube.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It's just mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So in court Detective Chief Inspector Simon Harding
said Daniel had acted like abelligerent child Cause he is.
Yeah, he's shown completedisrespect to the court system,
turning his back on the judge,trying to stare out the family
and laugh and snicker andsticking up loser signs oh my
(30:25):
god he has behaved like ateenage boy, but he has
committed some of the mostsavage crimes we have seen for
many years and one of thebiggest police investigations we
have had in a very, very longtime.
I firmly believe he would havecarried out his contract.
He would have carried onkilling women until he had
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killed his first six If he hadnot won the lottery by that
stage.
Every six months is what hesaid.
He is where he should be and hewill be there for a very, very
long time, even though he isonly 19,.
He is a very, very dangerousindividual.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I know I was giving him shit for being stupid and
getting caught so easily earlier, but also, when you're that
terrible of a human being,honestly good for him for not
thinking about his dad beingbooked and leaving the weapon,
because had he not been such astupid criminal, right, god only
knows how bad this would havebeen.
So here's the thing this is.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It should have been worse, and I say that because he
did intend to kill six people.
He didn't admit that.
But what happened was and thisis why the knife most likely got
left he got injured during thisattack of the two girls, and he
got so badly injured that heactually went to the emergency
room and said he got mugged.
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So he would have continued onthat night had he not had to go
to the emergency room.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Was it one of the two girls who injured him?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Or he accidentally probably stabbed himself like
stabbed his, cut his hand.
I think you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I could absolutely see that.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I want to say he cut himself because I think he had
to get stitches.
I'm pretty sure.
But I think that, no, I knowthat he probably would have
killed more if he found thembecause remember this was a,
they said they.
They probably were murderedaround like 2 30 in the morning.
So if he found anybody else I'msure a woman out and about he
would have done it, but becausehe got injured small he couldn't
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stabbing right absolutely so.
I don't think he really meant toleave the sunglasses, because
sunglasses had their blood on it, but I don't think he meant to
just leave those and the knife,like.
That wasn't intentional, it wasjust.
I think that he's like fuck it,he drug their bodies to under
some tree like a tree line asbest as he could in that time
and then he had to fucking goget fixed up, little fucker,
(32:42):
okay.
So fox 13 tried to get incontact with co-edding to hear
what he had to say about themurders where does he?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
live uh utah I was gonna say he's american, right I
I briefly heard about this,like I don't remember the
details, but as you're tellingme it sounds super familiar.
I may have read about this whenit happened.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Listen he is disgusting looking like.
I'm telling you, even if youdidn't, if I didn't know
anything about him and I saw him, I would.
He is like just a piece of shit, like he's just gross, and he's
always fucking just smokingcigarettes, like always just
blowing smoking a can.
He is disgusting.
I look him up really quick.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I know where I heard about him, wasn't it briefly, on
an episode of Haunted Objects,on their curses, one I don't
know, I think they didn't gointo as much detail as you are
by any means, but they did talkabout him.
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
When you hit Google images, it doesn't even show him
, it's just all his book he's,he's gross and he's literally
always just like in a fuckingbasement or something like his
little dungeon-y room like doingpodcasts.
If you watch interviews of himand just listening to talk and
shit he is oh, I'm sure thatvile ew ew yeah, no, I'm looking
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at pictures of him right now.
He is super gross if you watchvideos of him too, he's always
wearing just like a wife beaterand just like yeah, he just
looks trashy.
Yes, I didn't want to say that,but he was very.
That's a good.
I'll say it Okay.
So investigative reporter AdamHerberts traveled to Utah to try
and get an interview and hestated that he thought that
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Coedding would be willing totalk because he's all over all
kinds of social media platforms,podcasts he's talking openly
about his beliefs and godlikeabilities.
He's always talking about howhe's a god and he advertises
becoming a god and all thisbullshit.
So they actually really thoughtthat he would talk, because
he's so willing to talk.
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All the other times he like,denied all their calls and
attempts.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, but he wants to control the narrative.
I bet, like if he's talking onYouTube, you can talk as much as
you want without somebody beingon the other side.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's crazy, though he does like four hour podcasts
where he just rants about all ofthis shit, how he's like
amazing god, like, oh my god, Ican't.
Uh, they even went to his doorand it's like painted like red
and it's like kind of like theoutline is like black and it's
just like shittily painted.
But on top it has like add,like your, address numbers.
(35:17):
Yeah, but it's not his address,but the address numbers on the
top of his door are six, six, ofcourse, like you're.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
So fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We all knew right where that was going it's kind
of funny because this oneinterview which will be linked
um from this, the investigativereporter, adam, was like taught
telling him this, and then Iremember what the guy's name was
, but he's like so kind ofbasically like dogging him but
basically being like so if hehas all, like does his house
look like he has, he's wealthy,like he's advertising that he
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has godlike power and all thiswealth and stuff and he kind of
like adam's just like uh like hedidn't want to say, like no,
like there's no reason, like,yes, this man has money because
he's exploiting everybody to payhim for things, but like he
doesn't have like this abundanceof wealth from right the
fucking, like he doesn't havelike this abundance of wealth
from right, the fucking devil.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
He would have the mega millions money if he knew
how to get mega millions money.
Yeah, fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So Adam had interviewed Rick Allen Ross, who
is the founder and executivedirector of the nonprofit Cult
Education Institute.
Ok, ok, I think we're kind ofall thinking at this point that
he is like a cult leader, likehe has like a cult following
right, like he's got all theingredients for it.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So Rick uh has been researching cults for about 30
years and surprisingly, hedoesn't think co-edding is a
cult leader and he said.
Well, in my opinion, he comesacross as a con man.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
What I see is a salesman, an actor.
He's costumed, he wears makeupand he's basically trying to
project an attractive, magneticimage so he can pull people in
and then make money off of them,Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It's like snake oil on steroids.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, co-heading is bullshit.
However, oh my god, sorry, I'mgetting a cramp in my foot.
It's curling up so bad.
I just messed up that line, soI'm going to start over.
I just messed up that line, soI'm going to start over.
So, thankfully, youtube andFacebook have removed all of
Coedding's bullshit.
However, his books are stillavailable for sale on Amazon.
(37:30):
Oh, well, yeah, I could seeYouTube cleaning up his shit but
I could also definitely not seeAmazon getting rid of some of
that stuff.
So yeah, rick said they shouldbe policing their platforms and
I hope Amazon will take actionas soon as possible.
That's a scary thing.
How do you monitor your kidsand make sure that they're not
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connecting with someone likeCoetting?
But what can you do aboutsomeone like Coetting?
You cannot arrest him for hisbeliefs.
These people are deeplydisturbed, very easily
influenced, and then they comeinto the orbit of someone like
Coetting, who then becomes theirignition point and let me just
(38:12):
reiterate, influence the powerto cause changes without
directly forcing those changesto happen.
So I will ask you again do youthink that co-edding should be
held responsible for thesemurders?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Comes down to intent earlier.
Like I said, he literally saysI don't care what happens to
people, that sort of thing.
I don't see how he is notcharged with a manslaughter in
this or an accessory to murderor something is not.
He didn't get anything I wonderif the death would have
happened on american soil, if itwould have been different.
(38:53):
I thought that because it makesme think of, like um crumbly
right, the school shooter whoseparents, at least mom, I don't
think dad's been sentenced yet,or if he did, I fell off
watching that case, but she got,was it?
It was um third degreemanslaughter or something like.
I don't know my law well enough, but even though she didn't
(39:14):
actually pull the trigger, theyenabled the situation.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
That, yeah, you know yeah, yeah it's, it's just crazy
and it's like it's hard,because you do have the ability
of free speech and you can saywhat you want, like you and I
can talk about our beliefs andwhat we think and our opinions
and things like that and likethis.
(39:37):
You know, this quote was justyeah, but what do you do?
Because you can't arrest himfor his beliefs and just because
he's saying he believes thisand that and doesn't care, he's
never murdered anybody, he'snever done any of these things
that we know of, but he's neverdone any of this.
He didn't say hey, you, daniel,go do this.
And you know that was like.
(39:58):
Another argument is that theydon't think that these two
people have actually ever met orreally been in contact with
each other other than just likethe forums, with all his
followers.
So it's like he didn't directlytalk to Daniel and say it's
just crazy.
I guess that is true.
I don't know.
I think something should be heshould be held accountable for
something, or his book should belike banned or something like
(40:19):
that, like it's just.
But then it's like okay, so doyou?
Then he could just play thatthese are not, these are just
fake books, like they're notlike, they're just books.
Like do you go and read?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I don't know it's so tough to call yeah I.
I can see why he wasn't chargedright.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Not that I would agree with it, but yeah me too,
it's a very tough case.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Um, I think it comes down to and it's like so fucking
cliche I know, but the quoteyou know, with great power comes
great responsibility.
When you are in a position ofpower, whether it's an online
influence or whether you're inpolitics, whether you literally
lead a team at work, right, likeyou have to know that the words
you say have consequence,whether it's an order you're
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giving or not you're having.
Like you have to think aboutthe outcome of the language that
you use.
And it sounds like for him itreally aligned with his values
and goals, all that kind ofstuff.
But like God, god.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I mean, I guess it's just like you know, even you and
I were like, okay, so we'regoing to start this podcast,
like we could potentially, youknow, have hundreds of people
listening to us or, you know,hope one day thousands of you
guys, but you know, we're goingto say some dumb things that are
going to offend people and it'sgoing to be upset, and that was
always been our fears.
Like we don't want tointentionally do that, but like,
like you said, you have to bemindful of that if you have any
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sort of platform and I thinkthat is crazy, especially like
nowadays like influencer,influencers that's an actual job
now.
It never used to be a job, itis an actual job.
And like, think of all thesepeople that straight up
marketing job.
Yeah, and it's like and I'm notsaying it's a bad job, I'm just
saying it's now a job.
It never used to be.
But, like some of theseinfluencers, we watch them get
(41:59):
like you know, know, canceledand things like that, for things
that they do in the say andthey say and you're like, wow,
like they probably didn't meanit that way or like this, but
this is crazy like you, like yousaid yeah, this is direct.
I don't care what you do, if youkill somebody or try to kill
cancer I don't really care.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
This is one who needs to be canceled for sure it's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
It's wild to me that the books are still available
like they just shouldn't be like.
I think that's the very least.
Your book shouldn't beavailable like 100, so I don't
want to like skim too much overour poor victims, um, but I mean
so were they just randomvictims then that he just saw in
the park?
(42:39):
yep, and it happened to be liketwo girls and he or two women,
and you know that's what he said.
He's only gonna kill women andthey happen to be there, gotcha,
I think.
Uh, because they couldn'treally get a much out of him.
He, he pledged that he hadasperger's and he can't remember
things.
That's what he said, so hecouldn't remember.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But basically they thought that he was just I'm
sure that's the only thing hislawyer could spin you remember
what I said earlier?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Right Basically it was just like they thought he
was in the park saw that thefamily was kind of leaving one
by one and it was just the twogirls left and you know, it just
kind of unfortunately workedout.
But obviously their lives weretaken way too soon and it's so
sad and Be they.
Their lives were taken way toosoon and so sad and Biba was
(43:25):
actually a social worker and shewas, like you know, working so
hard for, like, children thatyou know, just had unjust
families and situations.
And Nicole was a photographer,which I think is probably why
they were out with fairy lightsdancing.
Yeah, pictures, you know, justdoing like a birthday photo
shoot, something you would knowabout.
I know it's just really sad andit's their mother is just so
awful, because it's like how doyou?
(43:45):
You're never supposed to buryyour child and she had to bury
two out of her three at the sametime, like it's just horrifying
, um but I this guy sitting overin utah gets his what's coming
oh, he's going to for sure thekarma is gonna fucking kill that
man because he probably doesn'teven feel bad about this,
because he's going to for sure.
The karma is gonna fucking killthat man because he probably
doesn't even feel bad about this, because he's in his delusion.
(44:05):
He did nothing wrong, he hasnothing to do with this, and I
think that's like.
That's what really pisses meoff about this is, like you know
, not to go back to it, but yeah, we're all influencers nowadays
.
Let's just try to be carefuland be kind and no matter what
you believe, I don't know, it'sup and with that we've had over
100 and some episodes almost 130.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
at this point, if we have said something, we
apologize Also.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
just let me know.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Seriously, we would be open to growth.
We are always ready to learnmore, so if we've ever done
anything to offend or could usea different word, we would like
to change, so let us know.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
So yeah, with that, I just thought this week I'd
bring you all the horriblethings murder, demons, cults and
influencers.
Just kidding.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Influencers, You're not horrible.
I didn't even catch that atfirst.
No, that was really.
There's a lot jam packed inthere.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I could have went so much farther.
There was even just like aquick side note.
This is fucking, fuckingterrible and it makes me feel
even worse for these poor uh,girl's mom or women's mother,
her family.
There was a botchedinvestigation too yeah, it
seemed like the family reallyfigured everything out no, the
when the bodies were found, thepolice officers and I didn't
(45:16):
really look too much into thisbecause I was just like already
disgusted with this whole thingbut the police officers were
taking pictures of the deadbodies and sending it through
like a WhatsApp service topeople and making fun of it and
like saying that they look likedead fish or something like dead
, I don't even know.
But so they got fucking fired.
So not only did they not sendout people to investigate in
(45:40):
time, or like when they saidthey let the family and loved
ones find the fucking bodies,and then when they got there to
do the investigation, they hadfucking idiot police officers
that were actually takingpictures, making fun of the dead
victims that's absolutelybeyond horrible.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
It's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
So anyway, wow, okay, I should have.
I should have tried to findsomething lighter to end on, not
something more fucked you know,we'll take it um, sorry guys
that's a great job so lessons tobe learned from this one?
Speaker 1 (46:11):
right, if you are influencing, yes, probably
shouldn't do it with demons.
Let's not make deals withdemons.
It's probably not going to goyour way.
And uh, we've got two primeexamples here about how black
magic doesn't help you win thelottery.
So maybe just try some moneybowls and manifestation.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Okay, keep the knives out of it.
That's what I'm thinking.
You know, just put the goodenergy out to everybody else,
and then you'll get that goodenergy back anyway.
So there you go just givepeople a hug instead of a stab.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I like that Hugs instead of stabs.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Hugs instead of stabs .
That can be our merch.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh, I like that Also.
It could be our emojis for thisepisode, that little hugging
smiley and a knife yeah, I thinkthat works perfectly.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
All right.
So if you got this far, youknow what emojis to leave.
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planet.
Oh my god, other than my mom,kara the Curator.
How are you, kara the Curator?
I'm great.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It has a good ring to it, though it kind of does.
How are you?
I'm Zach.
Oh yeah, you're Zach, I'm doinggood, we're new here.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I have some late night caffeine for me, so I'm
feeling awake now.
I can feel it hitting mybloodstream.
I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Zach and I have decided this is the longest week
of our lives for no actualreason.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well.
I mean I did die for two daysin bed with a migraine.
I didn't, but it's still mylongest week.
It's so sad, though, because,like you know how busy I am the
fact that I was in pain for twofull days but also thankful to
just lay in bed and do nothing,Because you had no choice.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Like you couldn't feel guilty because you had no
choice.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
No, I literally just laid there.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I don't remember what I was telling you like last
night, but you said something.
You're like, how do you findall the time?
Because I don't even rememberwhat I told you I was doing.
You're like, how do you findthe time?
And I was like that sentencethat you sent me validated me so
hard Because I'm like I'll bethinking I'm failing over here,
I can't get nothing done,Nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
And you're like Every time I talk to you, you're like
I cranked out this video, I'mdoing this, I did this.
I'm like oh my God girl.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I'm trying.
That's why we are delirioustoday.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The difference is right is for me, work and
podcast and half of everythingthat I do all happens in this
room, so I don't have to travelthat far to get a bunch of
things done.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I know I wish because that's my biggest complaint is
that I am consistently, majorityof my day is traveling.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So, speaking of our offices though, can I, can I
give a little teaser orsomething to come?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
No, ok, okay because what if the logistics don't work
?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
listen, listeners, there may or may not be
something coming with ourstudios, and that's all I'm
saying.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
There you go um so surprise again, another
cliffhanger I just said assholes.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
All right, I don't really have much to say except
for, I think, this recording weare March 13th.
I think this episode is, if I'mcalculating correctly, okay,
correct which means yes, whichmeans we have like pretty much a
month or so before our a monthand a week before our event.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So while you're all listening to this.
I'm going to be at the DixonDallas concert today.
I'm so excited for gay country.
Okay, so anyway, yeah you'resaying less than or just over a
month to the event.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And obviously at this point I don't know if there are
still tickets, but if there are, then I would love for you guys
to come hang out with us.
If there are not, don't worry,we are going tickets, but if
there are, then I would love foryou guys to come hang out with
us.
If there are not, don't worry,we are going to try to do more
stuff like this so that we canmeet more people and just do
cool things, so don't worry.
One more thing that I do wantto touch base on, because I
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don't actually really think weactually talk about it a lot.
We do have a Patreon and I'vebeen really bad at like posting
that we actually have a Patreonon our socials, so a lot of
people might not know we do havea Patreon so you can subscribe.
There's a free portion to whereI try to do give you some stuff
for free, but there's two tiers.
(04:41):
We give you.
You know, what do we give you aday early episodes.
We give you blooper reels.
We give you motivation onmanifesting monday,
inspirational things.
I do all kinds of weird shitlike just go to graveyards by
myself and record it.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Um, we play games and quiz each other and eventually,
when we have merch, there'sgonna be a discount code and all
that kind of good stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
There's chat in there and our patrons did find out
that we're having an eventbefore everybody else.
So you kind of of get you knowsome.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
They've also gotten some giveaways.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yes, they've gotten some giveaways, giveaways,
giveaways.
So anyway, I just wanted to putthat in there because I don't
know if we've really.
We're just trying to.
We don't want to pester youpeople, but also, like we are
doing this stuff, I would lovefor you guys to take advantage
of it, for you guys to takeadvantage of it, absolutely.
Well, that's really all I have.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, I got nothing else.
You ready to open the shop?
Sure, let's do it after I sipmy tea.
Okay, while you sip your tea,I'm going to demand that you
have a question for me, or elseI'm not opening the shop today.
Doors are staying shut, nosales.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, has anyone made you do something that you
didn't want to do?
And, let's be real, that's arhetorical question.
Has anyone made you dosomething that you didn't want
to do?
And let's be real, that's arhetorical question.
Yeah, because, of course, atone point we've all been
influenced to buy something orchange our hair or our style.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'd like to say I'm like a recovering people,
pleaser.
So the amount of times I'vedone that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
An influence.
You'd probably expect to belike under TikToker in the
dictionary.
But nay, nay, to be like undertiktoker in the dictionary, but
nay, nay, uh.
Influence, for those that don'tknow is the act or power of
producing an effect withoutapparent exertion or force or
direct exercise of command.
Okay, so in modern use the nountypically refers to the power
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to change or affect someone orsomething, especially the power
to cause changes withoutdirectly forcing those changes
to happen.
So I have a second question foryou.
Okay, do you think someonecould convince you to do
something morally wrong like now?
I'm saying now not let you know, we've all done bad things
(06:42):
because people told us to peerpressure and all, but is alcohol
involved?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, you seem to talk into doing stupid shit
after a few drinks.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So I'll say I would say, yeah, you know honestly,
yeah, with knowing what I knowabout language and how people
use it, I feel like I'd be alittle bit better.
But people can be damninfluencing yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's our world.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Truly.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, Now if you said or did something that then
influenced someone to go and dosomething morally wrong, would
you care?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Like if I made somebody do it no.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Let's just say you just like said something.
Maybe you didn't directly liketell somebody to go do something
, but you just said somethingwhatever that then influenced
somebody to go and do thismorally wrong thing.
Gotcha, would you care.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh yeah, I would.
I feel like I have a bit of aguilty conscience at times, so
it would definitely it would getat me.
Yeah, that's a triple threatquestion too.
Nicely done.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
OK, I have another one, oh my triple threat
question too.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Nicely done, okay, I have another one.
Oh my god, is this?
Because every time you don'thave one prepared to make, you
think of it on the spot.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So now you're like no , okay, so you would feel guilty
.
Now, this person did somethingmorally wrong.
Do you think that you should beheld responsible?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
oh okay, I'm gonna say most times yes because like
uh, can you just answer thequestion and shut your pie hole?
Yes, yes, you should be heldresponsible.
I am getting excited.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh, you always think you should be held responsible
Like you didn't do anythingthough.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Comes down to intent Just think about it.
I don't have to.
I don't have to.
It comes down to intent thatperson intended to make the
other person act.
Yes, you should absolutely 100%of the time, be held if you
didn't mean to.
I think you have to look atthat as a case-by-case basis.
So like if I told you to gostep on a frog and you stepped
on that frog, absolutely myfault, okay.
(08:38):
If I said, oh, I really hatefrogs and then you went and
stepped on the frog and I didn'tintend to make you do it, I I
think that you have to look atcase by case.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't know where frogs came from, but okay, I I
don't know if you know whatwe're actually getting into.
I think, oh, I think I mightknow what you think it is, but
you okay, okay, but what itdoesn't, I'm excited either way,
yeah okay, so there is adisclaimer.
This one gets dark.
I know we talk about a lot ofdark stuff.
I try to keep it as not dark,but we're going to get
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depressing here.
All right, matthew Lawrencehave you heard of him?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, ok, not the story that I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think I knew what you were talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I don't think I know this one yet, but OK, you might
OK.
I still love these kind ofstories.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So what about EA Coetting?
Have you heard of him?
Okay, so I've heard his namepronounced multiple different
ways.
Some people say Ketting, somepeople say Coetting, but most
pronounce it Coetting, so I'mgoing to go with that, what's?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
it spelled K-O-E-T-T-I-N-G.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Cool, all right.
So for those that have not, heis American self-styled
occultist and author, and I willread you what Google Books
about the author from 2011 says,and it reads this EA Coetting
has invested over a dozen over adozen years.
Why did I just glitch y'all?
(10:08):
I'm sorry, this is going to behard to get through today.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Try again.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Send the vibes to your girl.
He's invested over a dozenyears studying the mysteries of
the occult and their practicalapplications.
He has spent the last decadeteaching and guiding others in
their ascent.
Coetting is the author ofseveral books on the esoteric
and has, over the past few years, risen as a leader of the
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practical spirit.
You know, I can't say that wordspirituality.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Spirituality.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Thank you.
Movement Coetting has appearednationally on Coast to Coast AM
with George Noory and othersyndicated and internet radio
shows, to name a few, and I'mnot gonna name them all because
I don't care.
Uh, amazon review um is, theytook like more of like the
sabrina carpenter approach.
Short and sweet, I just can'tget into her I think she's cute.
(11:02):
Uh, you're about to learnsecrets most people will never
know about godlike power.
Unlock the black magic ofbest-selling author eo e.
Oh my god.
Ea co-edding's entirecollection of cult classic
grimoires available for thefirst time ever in paperback and
kindle.
Can you pathwork every grimoire?
(11:24):
Oh my god, I can't fuckingspeak today.
In the complete works of eaco-editing wow, he's an
accomplished dude well, uh.
So speaking of himself, hestates I grew up in a mormon
household.
I've always had a push towardsthe spiritual and supernatural.
We would read these scripturesevery night, and as we would
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read about these prophets andthe miracles they would perform,
I always kind of wanted to lookbehind it and say, okay, well,
how did they do that?
What was their method?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Oh, so he's like he wants to expose magicians, sort
of deal.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Additionally, ea is an influencer of fuckery, and
that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I think that is the one of the best titles I've ever
heard.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Thanks he.
If you look at him or look atvideos of him, he is like in my
mom's basement dwelling trashpig.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Again my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Anyway, he has like 25 books and or grimoires I
couldn't even find the exactamount, but he's got a lot and
along with his books, he offerscourses on and consultations,
merch insight through socialmedia and podcasts.
And then, just to give you kindof like an insight, like on
some stats, he had 128,000followers on Facebook, 87,000
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followers on YouTube.
This is in like 2020.
And that's like that is a bigamount of people to be sharing
insights with.
In one of his YouTube videos,viewed more than 17,000 times,
he says, and I quote when youdestroy the victim, there is a
release, a massive explosion ofpower and energy.
If you can harness that andpush it towards a goal, it's
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powerful beyond most other formsof magic.
It's the blackest magic,without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh, so he's doing like dark magic shit.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Do we know who?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
the?
What kind of victim?
Sorry, I have so many questions.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Don't worry, though, because he does add a clause in
there.
Sorry, I have so many questions.
Don't worry, though, because hedoes add a clause in there, um,
basically to advocate for, like, not harming anyone.
But in that clause it says tocover myself legally.
Like it's not even, like, hey,I don't promote killing people,
it's just that it's just tocover myself legally.
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Is what he put in there?
Like, you did that Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I might have more of an idea of who this guy is what
A shit dick.
Okay, go on.
I actually I might know of him.
Okay, well, he's a shit dick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So, however, one of his books describes how to
murder another person with aknife in a ritual sacrifice Okay
.
Another suggests that you studythe terrorist handbook, because
this provides practicalguidance on how to kill another
person.
Then that's an exact quote.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Wonder where this is going.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So in a Fox 13 interview, ea explains that his
black magic he teaches can beviolent, selfish and dangerous.
Another quote from this POS isI don't care what you use it for
, I don't care if you use thesecurses to kill people or to kill
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cancer, doesn't matter to me.
Cool, cool, cool, cool doesn'tmatter to me.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Okay that I that those two sentences just say so
much about him as a human being.
Um, okay, so enough about thisdirtbag influencer or whatever
he calls himself magicianbullshit, okay.
So on june 5th 2020, bibaibaHenry and her sister Nicole
Smallman headed to Freyent Ithink it's how you say it
country park in London, and theywere meeting friends and family
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to celebrate Biba's 46thbirthday.
So, due to COVID restrictions,because that was 2020.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I was thinking that, yeah, june was early in too.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So that was kind of the perfect place.
Do it in a park, hang out aftertheir like outdoor picnic.
That's kind of what they did ispicnic after their outdoor
picnic.
And it kind of got late,friends and family they left and
it was kind of late when theyleft.
So Biba and Nicole stayed.
Biba and Nicole stayed and at1.05 am Biba sent a text to her
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boyfriend stating that the twowere doing the most wholesome
thing ever.
They were dancing in a field.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Isn't that so cute, like two sisters just dancing
around in a field.
I kind of love it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I love it too.
It's like mid 40s.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So she's 46 and her younger sister was 26 or 7.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Still, fun, it's just so fucking cute.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So at 115 pictures, the show that the two were
playing with they kept sayingfairy lights and when I looked
it up, some say it was likechristmas lights, but I think it
might have been those stringlights yeah, it's like those
string lights with leds that youhave camping.
Yeah so I think they wereplaying with those, which is
even more fucking wholesome thatthey're just dancing in a field
, just them two playing withfucking fairy lights.
I love it.
(16:25):
I already gave a disclaimer.
So we, we know we're we, we knowthat they never came home yeah,
I mean, I think, even withoutthe disclaimer, the little bit
at the beginning here the twowere reported missing on june
6th and the family and friendsof both of them were informed
that the police would head outand they would get leads on.
(16:45):
You know, the girls were aboutto do whatever, but sadly this
actually never happened.
Oh, wow, and I'm not quite surewhat.
I don't know what the holdupwas.
I'm not really sure.
But not wanting to waste anymore time, nicole's boyfriend,
adam Stone, his parents and thena friend of Biba's started
their own kind of search, and so, on June 7th, they headed back
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to the park.
So after locating theirsunglasses or a pair of
sunglasses, adam stumbled uponthe girls under a tree line.
Glasses or a pair of sunglasses, adam stumbled upon the girls
under a tree line.
No, 27 year old nicole smallmanand 46 year old biba henry were
found lifeless, being stabbed 8and 28 times like one was
stabbed 8, the other 28, damn,okay.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, this is, I'm gonna say, a crime of passion.
Okay, why, if one of them isstabbed that many times and the
other one isn't, they were likethe main victim.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, I got you .
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's my guess.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
No, that makes sense All right.
So that's all horrifying andit's awful, and you know.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Say no more.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
This part, though, we can appreciate.
About a month after the murders, a DNA sample was linked by
police and we this is I just beloving dna.
Okay, so it was linked bypolice.
Um, and it was linked to a pastconviction.
Did your light just turn on?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
they turn off automatically at nine o'clock,
so I have to turn them back onthat scared me and you're just
sitting there so calm.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm like did your lights just turn off and on and
you're just sitting thereeverything's fine, cara.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Pay no attention to the lights so funny.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Um, okay, so the dna was linked to a past conviction,
so that's cool.
You know it's like you lovethat shit.
All right, so this brought thepolice to the hussein residence.
They proceeded to raid the home.
Okay, so on July 1st 2020, 19year old Daniel Hussein was
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arrested.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I remember hearing about these two and some of the
story, but I didn't connect itto the first guy.
Now I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So his father?
No, you're not excited.
Excited as you can be for amurder story, uh his father's
past crime was actually the dnathat was linked then from the
knife that was actually left atthe crime scene.
Say that again.
Okay, so they.
Their past conviction wasdaniel's dad and his dna was
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linked to the knife that was atthe crime scene.
So that's how they linked it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was just because his dad was already in the
system.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They linked it to this house.
Just because his dad wasalready in the system, they
linked it to this house.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, so they found like a family member.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So familial DNA, baby Always solving some crimes.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm still waiting for my goddamn DNA and I want to
solve a crime.
I want to be part of anunsolved murder or some dumb
shit.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You're're gonna like figure out like your favorite
family member is a murderer orsomething that would happen on
your fam I'll be okay with it.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That's so disturbing, okay?
Um, a little bit about thisfuck bag, another fuck bag.
So, at just 15, daniel wasmonitored by the consent from
October 2017 to May 2018.
And the consent, the con.
Oh my God, it's not the consent.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think you're waiting for me to give you the
word, but I don't know.
I've been trying to figure itout since you said consent I
don't know why it's called thecontest.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't know why I said consent, but anyway, this
was founded after 9-11 and it'sthe United Kingdom's
counterterrorism strategy.
Okay, so he was actually put onthis monitoring because on his
school computer he had accessedfar-right material and norse
mythology so just just stuffthat he shouldn't have been
looking up on.
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A fucking school norsemythology get too flagged.
Well, I think that.
And it was just a bunch ofother shit, you know, okay.
So three days before the murder, cctv showed Daniel purchasing
knives and candles at a localsupermarket.
And then, over the next 10 daysafter the murder, daniel spent
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$203.
Cents on lottery tickets andbets.
Okay, so here's where we getmore fucked up.
During the police raid,officers found a handwritten
agreement, and I'm going to readit to you.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Can we just like go back to one thing real quick
before?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
the agreement.
Yeah, you tell me whateveryou'd like to.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Okay, chat away If your father is either still in
jail or was in jail or didsomething with the crime where
he's in the system why would henever also commit the?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
crime and then leave the dna with, like the, the
knife at the scene yeah, and Icouldn't find what his dad did,
and I couldn't even find hisdad's name, it kept just saying
his father.
So I was trying to see what the.
I was just curious because,yeah, what like to get in the
system?
I don't know, I feel like youhave to have like I don't know
it had to be significant butlike here's if your dad has
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literally been booked.
You have to be careful yeah, andI, I mean he's fucking 19, he's
an idiot, idiot, okay.
So this is.
I'm gonna kind of explain.
So the top center of this paperis it's written and it says
agreement, okay.
Under that it says for themighty king lucifuge rofi kale.
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And then it's like bulletedokay, these are the bullets.
Perform a minimum of sixsacrifices every six months for
as long as I am free andphysically capable.
Sacrifice only women.
Build a temple for you.
Do everything that I havepromised.
And then under that is, it saysfor me.
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And then some more bullets.
And then in those bullets itsays win the mega million Super
Jackpot to receive fruitfulrewards in return for the future
sacrifice I make to you.
The rewards could consist ofwealth and power, to never be
suspected of any crimes by thepolice, and also that the police
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will never know of any crimesthat I have done and that I will
do.
And then it is signed in bloodDaniel.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
This guy's like the dumbest criminal ever.
Ok, first of all, what are yougoing to do?
Deny that you made theagreement.
You wrote it in your own DNA,and you're also busted buying
the knife on camera, and thenthe lottery tickets Can you
imagine his lawyer is like youwould just look at those three
things ago.
You're fucked.
Can you imagine his?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
lawyer is like you would just look at those three
things and go you're fucked.
So, according to theoccultistnet, lucifuge Rofakel
is a pivotal figure in theoccult world, associated with
wealth, earthly pleasures andforbidden knowledge.
As such, he is often summonedto for obtaining these fine
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things, is often summoned forobtaining these fine things.
Lucifuge is also considered bysome to be the darker aspect of
Lucifer, as his interests aretied to earthly rather than
celestial affairs.
Lucifuge is often depicted asthe prime minister to the
international nope, to theinfernal monarchy, serving
directly under Lucifer.
He manages the government ofthe demonic realm, exercising
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power over its wealth andtreasures.
In some interpretations, he isconsidered the antithesis of the
archangel Raphael, a figure ofhealing and light, and then he
is known for his dominion overworldly goods, granting riches
and material abundance to thosewho summon him correctly.
However, these gifts come witha price, often requiring a pact
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sign in the magician's blood,symbolizing the spiritual bond
formed between the summoner andthe demon, and his origins can
be traced back to the grimoirenamed Le Dragon Rouge or the Red
Dragon, that was published inthe 19th century.
It's actually also commonlyknown as the Grand Grimoire.
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It is divided into two books,and the first one contains
instructions for summoning ademon, for the construction of
tools with which to force thedemon to do one's bidding I have
so much to say on that, butlet's go let me hear you.
You don't even want to right.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's like one of those the 22nd thing is like
what, what?
What type of delusion sorry forthe stuttering what type of
delusion must you live in whereyou think you can make a deal
with the devil, basically, andthen also control it?
To do you're not going tocontrol the demon.
You ain't gonna win that game,baby here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I very much think that you can summon a demon I
think you can absolutely summonone I don't think you're gonna
get what you fucking want to get, though you can try to get
though.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You can try to bargain.
You ain't going to control that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Let me just tell you that the amount of times I just
said his name, and even everytime I thought his name as I was
typing and researching, I wasthinking that I might be
accidentally summoning him and Iwas like getting a little
little sketched out.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Time to do a little cleansing.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Oh yeah, I know, but yeah, I don't know how you'd
think that this is going to workin your favor, you stupid
little boy.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Said it pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Okay, so further into the murder investigation, it
was found that Daniel was partof a satanic themed internet
forum called Becoming a LivingGod themed internet forum called
becoming a living god.
Becoming a living god is acompany belonging to drum roll,
(26:25):
our original douchebag co-edding.
So in this forum, danielalleged he was a psychic vampire
and asked for advice aboutdemonic packs.
He stated he oh my God, and heasked for advice about demonic
packs.
He also stated in this forumthat he learned his first ever
(26:49):
spell from co-edding.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh, a little bit of butt kissing some brown nosing
Mm.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Hmm, oh, a little bit of butt kissing some brown
nosing.
He was apparently part of thisforum at this point for like at
least two years, loggingcountless hours in activity Like
he.
He was always up in there likeasking questions, like putting
his commentary in there.
Just a little fucker, okay.
(27:20):
So Coetting's advice in hisgrimoires on this forum and his
videos is always to include inyour pact the attainment of
wealth.
Use your sorcery to becomewealthy.
Money is power, and who couldforget that wonderful quote from
the start of the episode whenyou destroy the victim, there is
a release, a massive explosionof power and energy.
If you can harness that andpush it towards a goal, it's
(27:42):
powerful beyond most other formsof magic.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Can't we just stick to like money bowls and
manifesting?
Do we really have to go thewhole like demon winning the
mega millions route?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
There's gotta be easier ways go the whole like
demon winning the mega millionsroute.
There's gotta be easier ways.
I, yeah, I mean I guess likewhy, why do you?
Yeah, why do you have to summona demon?
Like, theoretically, you couldbe doing not black magic and you
can still be trying to like,yeah, win the lottery, like if
that's all you wanted was to winthe fucking lottery, I'm sure
sure you could do that Not witha demon.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
At least start to try something else first.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
but I just, I mean, it's mind blowing.
You know, truly, what are wegoing to do?
Okay, I guess I just don't,even, I don't have any words,
nevermind.
I was going to say I'm likeit's, there's nothing to even
fucking say about this,douchebags.
Okay.
So Professor Matthew Feldmansaid some of Coetting's work
(28:40):
could amount to incitement tomurder and he stated one book
that he has, works of Darkness,describes how to murder another
person with a knife and a ritualsacrifice with a knife and a
ritual sacrifice.
Another book, apex of Eternity,advises people to study the
terrorist handbook and providespractical guidance on how to
(29:00):
kill another person.
This is the best example I havecome across of someone saying
this is what you must do tobecome strong, powerful, rich.
He has 87,000 followers onYouTube.
Oh my god.
87,000 followers on YouTube.
Oh my God.
87,000 YouTube subscribers,128,000 on Facebook.
If 0.1% of people take thatseriously, as Daniel Hussain
(29:25):
clearly did, and think this iswhat I have to do to become
famous, that's 200 potentialmurderers.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah.
And you think, oh, that's sucha small percentage when you
break down the numbers.
Holy crap, 200 potentialmurderers.
Yeah, like anything.
Oh, that's such a smallpercentage when you break down
the numbers, holy crap, 200potential murderers.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, having a podcast.
I'm terrified of offendingsomebody and this lunatic is out
here like promoting murder tothousands and thousands of
people.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's amazing, like people like him, or the teal
swans, the cult leaders of theworld, the colloidal silver lady
whose name is Amy Carlson Allof them are doing this through
YouTube.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It's just mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So in court Detective Chief Inspector Simon Harding
said Daniel had acted like abelligerent child Cause he is.
Yeah, he's shown completedisrespect to the court system,
turning his back on the judge,trying to stare out the family
and laugh and snicker andsticking up loser signs oh my
(30:25):
god he has behaved like ateenage boy, but he has
committed some of the mostsavage crimes we have seen for
many years and one of thebiggest police investigations we
have had in a very, very longtime.
I firmly believe he would havecarried out his contract.
He would have carried onkilling women until he had
(30:45):
killed his first six If he hadnot won the lottery by that
stage.
Every six months is what hesaid.
He is where he should be and hewill be there for a very, very
long time, even though he isonly 19,.
He is a very, very dangerousindividual.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I know I was giving him shit for being stupid and
getting caught so easily earlier, but also, when you're that
terrible of a human being,honestly good for him for not
thinking about his dad beingbooked and leaving the weapon,
because had he not been such astupid criminal, right, god only
knows how bad this would havebeen.
So here's the thing this is.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It should have been worse, and I say that because he
did intend to kill six people.
He didn't admit that.
But what happened was and thisis why the knife most likely got
left he got injured during thisattack of the two girls, and he
got so badly injured that heactually went to the emergency
room and said he got mugged.
(31:41):
So he would have continued onthat night had he not had to go
to the emergency room.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Was it one of the two girls who injured him?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Or he accidentally probably stabbed himself like
stabbed his, cut his hand.
I think you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I could absolutely see that.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I want to say he cut himself because I think he had
to get stitches.
I'm pretty sure.
But I think that, no, I knowthat he probably would have
killed more if he found thembecause remember this was a,
they said they.
They probably were murderedaround like 2 30 in the morning.
So if he found anybody else I'msure a woman out and about he
would have done it, but becausehe got injured small he couldn't
(32:19):
stabbing right absolutely so.
I don't think he really meant toleave the sunglasses, because
sunglasses had their blood on it, but I don't think he meant to
just leave those and the knife,like.
That wasn't intentional, it wasjust.
I think that he's like fuck it,he drug their bodies to under
some tree like a tree line asbest as he could in that time
and then he had to fucking goget fixed up, little fucker,
(32:42):
okay.
So fox 13 tried to get incontact with co-edding to hear
what he had to say about themurders where does he?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
live uh utah I was gonna say he's american, right I
I briefly heard about this,like I don't remember the
details, but as you're tellingme it sounds super familiar.
I may have read about this whenit happened.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Listen he is disgusting looking like.
I'm telling you, even if youdidn't, if I didn't know
anything about him and I saw him, I would.
He is like just a piece of shit, like he's just gross, and he's
always fucking just smokingcigarettes, like always just
blowing smoking a can.
He is disgusting.
I look him up really quick.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I know where I heard about him, wasn't it briefly, on
an episode of Haunted Objects,on their curses, one I don't
know, I think they didn't gointo as much detail as you are
by any means, but they did talkabout him.
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
When you hit Google images, it doesn't even show him
, it's just all his book he's,he's gross and he's literally
always just like in a fuckingbasement or something like his
little dungeon-y room like doingpodcasts.
If you watch interviews of himand just listening to talk and
shit he is oh, I'm sure thatvile ew ew yeah, no, I'm looking
(33:57):
at pictures of him right now.
He is super gross if you watchvideos of him too, he's always
wearing just like a wife beaterand just like yeah, he just
looks trashy.
Yes, I didn't want to say that,but he was very.
That's a good.
I'll say it Okay.
So investigative reporter AdamHerberts traveled to Utah to try
and get an interview and hestated that he thought that
(34:21):
Coedding would be willing totalk because he's all over all
kinds of social media platforms,podcasts he's talking openly
about his beliefs and godlikeabilities.
He's always talking about howhe's a god and he advertises
becoming a god and all thisbullshit.
So they actually really thoughtthat he would talk, because
he's so willing to talk.
(34:41):
All the other times he like,denied all their calls and
attempts.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, but he wants to control the narrative.
I bet, like if he's talking onYouTube, you can talk as much as
you want without somebody beingon the other side.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's crazy, though he does like four hour podcasts
where he just rants about all ofthis shit, how he's like
amazing god, like, oh my god, Ican't.
Uh, they even went to his doorand it's like painted like red
and it's like kind of like theoutline is like black and it's
just like shittily painted.
But on top it has like add,like your, address numbers.
(35:17):
Yeah, but it's not his address,but the address numbers on the
top of his door are six, six, ofcourse, like you're.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
So fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We all knew right where that was going it's kind
of funny because this oneinterview which will be linked
um from this, the investigativereporter, adam, was like taught
telling him this, and then Iremember what the guy's name was
, but he's like so kind ofbasically like dogging him but
basically being like so if hehas all, like does his house
look like he has, he's wealthy,like he's advertising that he
(35:44):
has godlike power and all thiswealth and stuff and he kind of
like adam's just like uh like hedidn't want to say, like no,
like there's no reason, like,yes, this man has money because
he's exploiting everybody to payhim for things, but like he
doesn't have like this abundanceof wealth from right the
fucking, like he doesn't havelike this abundance of wealth
from right, the fucking devil.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
He would have the mega millions money if he knew
how to get mega millions money.
Yeah, fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So Adam had interviewed Rick Allen Ross, who
is the founder and executivedirector of the nonprofit Cult
Education Institute.
Ok, ok, I think we're kind ofall thinking at this point that
he is like a cult leader, likehe has like a cult following
right, like he's got all theingredients for it.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So Rick uh has been researching cults for about 30
years and surprisingly, hedoesn't think co-edding is a
cult leader and he said.
Well, in my opinion, he comesacross as a con man.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
What I see is a salesman, an actor.
He's costumed, he wears makeupand he's basically trying to
project an attractive, magneticimage so he can pull people in
and then make money off of them,Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It's like snake oil on steroids.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, co-heading is bullshit.
However, oh my god, sorry, I'mgetting a cramp in my foot.
It's curling up so bad.
I just messed up that line, soI'm going to start over.
I just messed up that line, soI'm going to start over.
So, thankfully, youtube andFacebook have removed all of
Coedding's bullshit.
However, his books are stillavailable for sale on Amazon.
(37:30):
Oh, well, yeah, I could seeYouTube cleaning up his shit but
I could also definitely not seeAmazon getting rid of some of
that stuff.
So yeah, rick said they shouldbe policing their platforms and
I hope Amazon will take actionas soon as possible.
That's a scary thing.
How do you monitor your kidsand make sure that they're not
(37:52):
connecting with someone likeCoetting?
But what can you do aboutsomeone like Coetting?
You cannot arrest him for hisbeliefs.
These people are deeplydisturbed, very easily
influenced, and then they comeinto the orbit of someone like
Coetting, who then becomes theirignition point and let me just
(38:12):
reiterate, influence the powerto cause changes without
directly forcing those changesto happen.
So I will ask you again do youthink that co-edding should be
held responsible for thesemurders?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Comes down to intent earlier.
Like I said, he literally saysI don't care what happens to
people, that sort of thing.
I don't see how he is notcharged with a manslaughter in
this or an accessory to murderor something is not.
He didn't get anything I wonderif the death would have
happened on american soil, if itwould have been different.
(38:53):
I thought that because it makesme think of, like um crumbly
right, the school shooter whoseparents, at least mom, I don't
think dad's been sentenced yet,or if he did, I fell off
watching that case, but she got,was it?
It was um third degreemanslaughter or something like.
I don't know my law well enough, but even though she didn't
(39:14):
actually pull the trigger, theyenabled the situation.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
That, yeah, you know yeah, yeah it's, it's just crazy
and it's like it's hard,because you do have the ability
of free speech and you can saywhat you want, like you and I
can talk about our beliefs andwhat we think and our opinions
and things like that and likethis.
(39:37):
You know, this quote was justyeah, but what do you do?
Because you can't arrest himfor his beliefs and just because
he's saying he believes thisand that and doesn't care, he's
never murdered anybody, he'snever done any of these things
that we know of, but he's neverdone any of this.
He didn't say hey, you, daniel,go do this.
And you know that was like.
(39:58):
Another argument is that theydon't think that these two
people have actually ever met orreally been in contact with
each other other than just likethe forums, with all his
followers.
So it's like he didn't directlytalk to Daniel and say it's
just crazy.
I guess that is true.
I don't know.
I think something should be heshould be held accountable for
something, or his book should belike banned or something like
(40:19):
that, like it's just.
But then it's like okay, so doyou?
Then he could just play thatthese are not, these are just
fake books, like they're notlike, they're just books.
Like do you go and read?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I don't know it's so tough to call yeah I.
I can see why he wasn't chargedright.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Not that I would agree with it, but yeah me too,
it's a very tough case.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Um, I think it comes down to and it's like so fucking
cliche I know, but the quoteyou know, with great power comes
great responsibility.
When you are in a position ofpower, whether it's an online
influence or whether you're inpolitics, whether you literally
lead a team at work, right, likeyou have to know that the words
you say have consequence,whether it's an order you're
(41:07):
giving or not you're having.
Like you have to think aboutthe outcome of the language that
you use.
And it sounds like for him itreally aligned with his values
and goals, all that kind ofstuff.
But like God, god.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I mean, I guess it's just like you know, even you and
I were like, okay, so we'regoing to start this podcast,
like we could potentially, youknow, have hundreds of people
listening to us or, you know,hope one day thousands of you
guys, but you know, we're goingto say some dumb things that are
going to offend people and it'sgoing to be upset, and that was
always been our fears.
Like we don't want tointentionally do that, but like,
like you said, you have to bemindful of that if you have any
(41:38):
sort of platform and I thinkthat is crazy, especially like
nowadays like influencer,influencers that's an actual job
now.
It never used to be a job, itis an actual job.
And like, think of all thesepeople that straight up
marketing job.
Yeah, and it's like and I'm notsaying it's a bad job, I'm just
saying it's now a job.
It never used to be.
But, like some of theseinfluencers, we watch them get
(41:59):
like you know, know, canceledand things like that, for things
that they do in the say andthey say and you're like, wow,
like they probably didn't meanit that way or like this, but
this is crazy like you, like yousaid yeah, this is direct.
I don't care what you do, if youkill somebody or try to kill
cancer I don't really care.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
This is one who needs to be canceled for sure it's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
It's wild to me that the books are still available
like they just shouldn't be like.
I think that's the very least.
Your book shouldn't beavailable like 100, so I don't
want to like skim too much overour poor victims, um, but I mean
so were they just randomvictims then that he just saw in
the park?
(42:39):
yep, and it happened to be liketwo girls and he or two women,
and you know that's what he said.
He's only gonna kill women andthey happen to be there, gotcha,
I think.
Uh, because they couldn'treally get a much out of him.
He, he pledged that he hadasperger's and he can't remember
things.
That's what he said, so hecouldn't remember.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But basically they thought that he was just I'm
sure that's the only thing hislawyer could spin you remember
what I said earlier?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Right Basically it was just like they thought he
was in the park saw that thefamily was kind of leaving one
by one and it was just the twogirls left and you know, it just
kind of unfortunately workedout.
But obviously their lives weretaken way too soon and it's so
sad and Be they.
Their lives were taken way toosoon and so sad and Biba was
(43:25):
actually a social worker and shewas, like you know, working so
hard for, like, children thatyou know, just had unjust
families and situations.
And Nicole was a photographer,which I think is probably why
they were out with fairy lightsdancing.
Yeah, pictures, you know, justdoing like a birthday photo
shoot, something you would knowabout.
I know it's just really sad andit's their mother is just so
awful, because it's like how doyou?
(43:45):
You're never supposed to buryyour child and she had to bury
two out of her three at the sametime, like it's just horrifying
, um but I this guy sitting overin utah gets his what's coming
oh, he's going to for sure thekarma is gonna fucking kill that
man because he probably doesn'teven feel bad about this,
because he's going to for sure.
The karma is gonna fucking killthat man because he probably
doesn't even feel bad about this, because he's in his delusion.
(44:05):
He did nothing wrong, he hasnothing to do with this, and I
think that's like.
That's what really pisses meoff about this is, like you know
, not to go back to it, but yeah, we're all influencers nowadays
.
Let's just try to be carefuland be kind and no matter what
you believe, I don't know, it'sup and with that we've had over
100 and some episodes almost 130.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
at this point, if we have said something, we
apologize Also.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
just let me know.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Seriously, we would be open to growth.
We are always ready to learnmore, so if we've ever done
anything to offend or could usea different word, we would like
to change, so let us know.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
So yeah, with that, I just thought this week I'd
bring you all the horriblethings murder, demons, cults and
influencers.
Just kidding.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Influencers, You're not horrible.
I didn't even catch that atfirst.
No, that was really.
There's a lot jam packed inthere.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I could have went so much farther.
There was even just like aquick side note.
This is fucking, fuckingterrible and it makes me feel
even worse for these poor uh,girl's mom or women's mother,
her family.
There was a botchedinvestigation too yeah, it
seemed like the family reallyfigured everything out no, the
when the bodies were found, thepolice officers and I didn't
(45:16):
really look too much into thisbecause I was just like already
disgusted with this whole thingbut the police officers were
taking pictures of the deadbodies and sending it through
like a WhatsApp service topeople and making fun of it and
like saying that they look likedead fish or something like dead
, I don't even know.
But so they got fucking fired.
So not only did they not sendout people to investigate in
(45:40):
time, or like when they saidthey let the family and loved
ones find the fucking bodies,and then when they got there to
do the investigation, they hadfucking idiot police officers
that were actually takingpictures, making fun of the dead
victims that's absolutelybeyond horrible.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
It's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
So anyway, wow, okay, I should have.
I should have tried to findsomething lighter to end on, not
something more fucked you know,we'll take it um, sorry guys
that's a great job so lessons tobe learned from this one?
Speaker 1 (46:11):
right, if you are influencing, yes, probably
shouldn't do it with demons.
Let's not make deals withdemons.
It's probably not going to goyour way.
And uh, we've got two primeexamples here about how black
magic doesn't help you win thelottery.
So maybe just try some moneybowls and manifestation.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Okay, keep the knives out of it.
That's what I'm thinking.
You know, just put the goodenergy out to everybody else,
and then you'll get that goodenergy back anyway.
So there you go just givepeople a hug instead of a stab.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I like that Hugs instead of stabs.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Hugs instead of stabs .
That can be our merch.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh, I like that Also.
It could be our emojis for thisepisode, that little hugging
smiley and a knife yeah, I thinkthat works perfectly.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
All right.
So if you got this far, youknow what emojis to leave.
Okay, hey, we also, if you'vemade it this far, we have
brought you a lot of bonusepisodes with your write-ins and
call-ins and we are gettingdarn low on our back stock we
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We need some milk.
So phone numbers down in theshow notes, the write-in hit our
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(47:17):
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Speaker 2 (47:24):
You can type it all in and drop it.
We want to read your stories,honestly, if you just feel like
being lazy and you just want toDM us on our socials.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
You can also do that.
I don't care, there you go,send a carrier pigeon Shit.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Oh, that would actually be perfect.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
You'd make Kara's day .
Speaker 2 (47:32):
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If you know your friends andfamily that have done that,
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smash that like button andsubscribe.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Sorry, I mean you should.
We would appreciate it, but Ithink that's all I have for you
guys today.
We love you.
I hope I didn't bring you downtoo much on this.
Wonderful.
We're into March, so we'regetting there.
We're getting out of the winter.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
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