June 19, 2025 • 51 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Kara is talking about the spookiness at her favorite place to get some R&R: Michigan's Mackinac Island
This charming Michigan destination may be famous for its fudge, horse-drawn carriages, and Victorian charm, but beneath its picture-perfect exterior lies one of the most supernaturally active locations in the Midwest.
Long before European settlement, the Anishinaabe people considered this island sacred ground – a "thin place" where the boundary between physical and spiritual worlds narrows. They named it after the Great Turtle, recognizing something special in its energy. After centuries of military conflicts, cultural displacement, and tragic personal stories, that mysterious energy manifests as one of America's most haunted destinations.
What makes Mackinac so special isn't just its car-free streets and timeless atmosphere, but how it serves as a living museum where the past and present converge in mysterious ways.
Ready to visit Michigan's magical, haunted island? Listen now – but be warned, when darkness falls on Mackinac, you're never truly alone.
References:
- https://www.britannica.com/place/Mackinac-Island?utm_source=chatgpt.com
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Mackinac?utm_source=chatgpt.com
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Mackinac?utm_source=chatgpt.com
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_Island_State_Park?utm_source=chatgpt.com
- https://www.historichotels.org/us/hotels-resorts/grand-hotel/history.php?utm_source=chatgpt.com
- https://time.com/5683417/mackniac-island-michigan-pence-vehicle-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
bathed in the moonlight at theID shop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theIron Age Shop.
(00:29):
What's up, oddballs?
Welcome back to the podcast.
This is the podcast where wetell you creepy, odd, weird,
strange stories from around theglobe.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I am fabulous.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh, just wonderful and jet lagged you are wonderful
.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I was like, yes, you're very wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm just pushing through it, you should be
relaxed though.
I came right back in, rightinto everything, so I did
stretch.
Today, though, and after takingtwo weeks off of working out
and like my yoga and stuff, forsome reason I'm way more
flexible, so I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You want to know what's just really crazy.
This is so random.
But I literally had a shirtpulled out to put on and I was
like no, I don't really feellike it and I'm really mad,
because it was a tan shirt witha monstera on it and you're
wearing a green shirt with a tanmonstera.
And now I'm really mad atmyself.
I just bought this shirt.
(01:26):
It's really cute.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I just noticed it and now I'm mad at myself.
This cute little lady talked meinto buying two shirts for too
much money in lisbon.
But it's fine, because they'rereally soft how much is too much
money?
35 bucks for 35 euro for twoshirts.
So honestly it's like 40 bucksthat's 40 for two shirts yeah,
but the thing was is I had justtold, told Julia, my goal on
that vacation was to buysweaters or jackets, and because
(01:47):
I have way too many t-shirts,and then, literally an hour
later, I bought two t-shirts.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's okay.
You're on vacation.
Whatever you say doesn't evenmatter.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I have a new rule where every t-shirt that comes
into my closet, one goes out,and I stuck to it.
That's a great rule.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, I don't know how to live by that.
My entire closet is t-shirtsyeah, it happens.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
What's new with you?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
well, for those that don't know, we have not recorded
in a very long time.
You wouldn't actually know that, but it's been like it's been a
week, four weeks, since we'rerecording so it's been a minute,
uh, and I haven't even reallytalked to zach because he's been
gallivanting across the world,but anyway, my mom adopted a
pupper.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's so stinking cute .
Speaker 2 (02:29):
He is so cute and I don't even understand.
Her dog passed away seven weeksago, our family dog.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
RIP, little Brody.
We love you.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He was the best little baby and he sent this new
dog I can't even get into itFrom what you were telling me.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Brody sent Bowie to you.
Bowie, I love it too.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, I had a bunch of names list of names and Enzo
was my favorite and Erin lovedEnzo and my mom's like really
like Enzo's very cute.
But then she kept going back toBowie because she wants to call
him Bow.
But I don't think he looks likea bow.
I'm like if you're naming himBowie, he has to stay with Bowie
, not Bo.
And then she's like, oh my God,Bo is so close to bro, which is
(03:11):
what we call Brody.
Bowie is really close to Brody.
I'm like right, we should namehim Enzo, and she still didn't
do it.
So, whatever, I kind of likeEnzo, though, because Lorenzo
Enzo okay.
I like that because Bowie Enzodoesn't go great.
You know what I mean it has tobe like a.
So Bowie Lorenzo.
She doesn't know that I namedhis man, but it is, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You were asking me for name suggestions when I was
in England and you gave me theworst Joseph and call him Jojo
uh, it was joseph jefferson orsir barkingsworth jojo, I don't
listen nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Nothing against jojo, but no okay, what else is new?
Uh, that's really about itnoise.
Well, do you have anything elsenow?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
no, you've just been I just went on my my euro cruise
and came back and went rightback into work.
But the the vacation was great.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It was very, very needed and now I'm ready to
build my savings back up I mean,thankfully you were on a ship
for the majority of the timewhere you have to spend too much
money, but yeah, and it was afree cruise too, so I didn't
spend too much.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Uh, london was way more expensive than I was
anticipating, though yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That was, that was the rough um, what else?
I was just gonna say, dang, Ifeel like I was gonna say
something, but now I don't quiteremember I guess we should uh
just get this, this shop, openand get the episode going.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Fine, I would ask if you had a question for me, but
uh, but you already know, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's fine.
Uh, what is your favorite placeto go?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
that's.
That's just way too open likefor what I don't know what's
your favorite place to go.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You're mad that I've asked the question now because
it's like it.
Uh, okay, let's talk about myfavorite place okay, what's your
favorite place to go?
If you're craving a place wheretime slows down, the air smells
like fudge and lake water andhistory seeps from every stone
path, then mackinac island iscalling your name are you
(05:20):
finally covering mackinac island?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
how have we not talked about this?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
no, I'm not calling Mackinac Island.
I just fucking made that all upright now in the sky.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, you know what?
No, never mind, I'm just notgoing to talk.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Because every question you get so sassy today.
You got sassy.
You're like you can't.
That question is so vague.
That's not a question.
It's question like my favoriteplace to go.
For what?
What's your favorite place togo?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
fine general on the lake to go kayaking away from
everybody just been like.
Oh, my favorite place to go iskayaking it doesn't take me a
minute to think about that whenit's so open well, you can't get
mad if I ask a question.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
You got mad that I didn't have a question.
Then I gave you a question.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You got mad about the question it wasn't a well
thought out question it wasperfect.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It went right into my script so perfectly, all right.
Mackinac island is for dreamers, history nerds, romantics,
adventurers and people who needa damn break, like zach just got
.
You'll come for the fudge andhorses, but you'll stay for the
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magic, don't you agree?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know I would agree, but I have only ever done
day trips.
I've never gotten to stay thenight on the island and I always
feel so teased.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
We do need to do that , because the night it's not
popping, doesn't it?
It's probably like 11, 11o'clock and everything kind of
shuts down, but, like, some ofthe bars are still open.
But if you go to, my favoritething is when you go to the bars
that no one goes to, it's justlike the locals go to.
Oh, that's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Perfect.
We need to plan that.
We've talked about it a coupleof times.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I know Now.
Now let me give you all theways why it's not just a visit,
it's a portal for those thathaven't gone.
The island was primarilyinhabited and considered sacred
by the.
I hope I say this right and youcould probably maybe I've never
(07:20):
heard of the.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I hope I say this right tribe and nash.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
How did you know it was a tribe?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Because we're talking about something in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
A-N-I-S-H-I-N-A-A-B-E , and I totally meant to look
that up before we recorded.
Anash, I can't say it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Ah, you spelled it so fast, just go.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Anashabi.
I think it's AnashanabiAnashabie.
I think it's AnashanabieAnashanabie people, so this
includes it's probablyAnashanabie Anashanabie.
Thank you it is that.
Anashanabie, I'm so bad atpronouncing anything Y'all know
by now.
All right, so that consists of,or includes, the Adjabi, right
Chippewa, the Ottawa and thenthe Potawatomi.
(08:03):
Say it for me Potawatomi,potawatomi, potawatomi.
Yes, thank you.
I'm so sorry if I'm butcheringyour tribes.
I'm not being too, I promiseAll right.
So these groups form the ThreeFires Confederacy, a powerful
alliance in the Great Lakesregion, did you?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
know, I did not know, but I know now.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
All right, so the name Mackinaw comes from the
Drabi word meaning.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Ojibwe.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Great, oh, thank you.
I'm going to keep butchering it.
You should just say it for meOjibwe.
And you know what's crazy is?
I have it all pronounced nextto it, but I still can't fucking
do it, which means great turtle.
Oh, isn't that cute.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Very.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So they believed the island was the resting place of
the great spirit, and theisland's shape, when viewed from
above, resembled a turtle.
I can see that.
I kind of can too, withimagination.
It was a place of spiritualvision, quests, storytellings
and seasonal gathering.
What is it?
(09:09):
Anashawabi?
The anashawabi, a national I.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I need to see how this is spelled you said it
before a-n-i-s-h-i-n-a-a-b-eanishina Anishinaabe.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes, yeah, you said it right.
Okay, all right.
So the Anishinaabe did not liveon the island year round due to
the cold winters.
It was used as seasonal campfor fishing especially whitefish
and lake trout trade andspiritual ceremonies.
They built birchbark canoes,lived in wigwams.
(09:44):
What are those?
Are those?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
those are the it's like the round teepees.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
OK, that's what I was envisioning first.
Ok, and followed sustainablepractices of hunting, foraging
and fishing.
So long before Europeans, theisland was part of an extensive
indigenous trade networks of anextensive indigenous trade
networks.
So by the time French arrivedin the 1600s, they found
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Mackinac already bustling as ahub for fur trading.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Which is like so weird.
How do they decide that islandis the trade center?
Because it's not easy to get to.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No so, with Ottawa traders playing a key role as
the middleman.
So the French establishedrelationships with indigenous
groups through marriage, tradeand missionary efforts, and
Mackinac was considered a thinplace where the boundary between
the physical and the spiritualworld is narrow.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Which I feel like you can just feel when you're there
.
That's what.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I'm saying it's magic .
So elders and spiritual leaderswould conduct ceremonies and
teachings on the island.
Burial grounds and sacred spotswere carefully protected and
respected.
As European settlement expanded, indigenous tribes were
gradually displaced, especiallythrough treaties like the Treaty
of Washington in 1836, whichrelinquished much of northern
(11:06):
Michigan.
So today descendants of thesetribes, especially the Little
Traverse Bay bands of OttawaIndians and Sault Ste Marie
tribe of tribal Indians,continue to maintain cultural
and historical ties to theisland.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But there's really not like a big native population
on the island at all.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's really sad.
It's native population on theisland at all.
It's really sad.
It's very, very sad.
All right, so let me give you abrief breakdown of some
additional history, like overthe years.
So the indigenous origins, sooriginal inhabitants, were the
how did we say it again?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Anishinaabe.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Thank you, which I already went through what you
know that all entails.
But they lived on the aroundthe island for centuries.
They considered the islandsacred, believing it was the
home of the Great Spirit.
Like I said, they namedMackinac comes from place of the
Great Turtle or Great Turtle.
Okay, so that's how we allstarted, that's where all the
(12:04):
magic is from.
Okay, so then the French andthe British control from the
1600 to the 1700s, so the Frenchperiod.
The French arrived in the 1600sand established a fur trading
post.
The Alley became a vital hub tothe North America fur trade.
Okay, then the British takesover, of course.
After the French and Indian Warin 1763, the British took
(12:26):
control and then Fort Mackinacon the mainland was moved to the
island in 1780 and became FortMackinac, a strategic military
post.
Which have you ever toured that?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I did when I was younger, but every time.
I've been up there for the day.
I'm like I don't know if I wantto bike all the way up there.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's really cool.
Um, so then the and that was abritish fort.
So, yeah, so well, the, yeah,so after the french indian war,
the british took, okay, controlof it.
Yep, so then the american eraand the war of 1812.
So after the americanrevolution, mackinac island was
handed over to the US in 1796.
And then, during the War of1812, the British recaptured
Fort Mackinac in a surpriseattack.
So the Americans tried to takeit back in 1814, but failed.
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It was returned to the US afterthe war ended in 1815.
It's like the island has somuch history it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It is wild.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So Victorian tourism and the rise of resorts was in
the late 1800s.
So by the late 19th century theisland became a popular summer
resort for wealthy Americans,escaping the heat of the cities
like Chicago and Detroit.
The Grand Hotel opened in 1887and became famous for its
(13:43):
660-foot front porch, which isstill the longest in the world.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I would have thought the Grand Hotel was older than
that.
I know 1895.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Doesn't it feel like it should be?
It does Because, I mean, thewhole island has such an
old-timey feel to it.
But 1887.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Close enough, yeah?
Well, the next line is 1895.
I'm sorry, so 1887 was theGrand Tour de.
In 1895, mackinac Island StatePark became Michigan's first
state park and the secondnational park in the US, before
being turned over to the state,which I'm sure you probably knew
that.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I knew it was the first state park.
I didn't know Is it still anational park?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
The second national park.
I think so.
Well, no, because if it'sturned over to the state, is it
then considered just a statepark or national park?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I don't know.
We'll say state.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We'll have to look that up.
So motor vehicles were bannedin 1898 and are still banned
today, giving the island itsunique horse-drawn,
bicycle-driven charm, which isour favorite thing about the
islands Well, mine, I love it somuch because you have to walk
everywhere or you have to dobikes, like horse rides.
It's just so fun, like the factthat you can't get on a car or
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anything motorized is just sofun to me.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It really adds to like the.
You truly feel like you go backin time.
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So then, just like a little pop culture note,
mackinac Island is the settingfor the 1980 romantic time
travel movie Somewhere in Time,starring Christopher Reeve and
Jane Seymour, filmed at theGrand Hotel.
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I've never seen that movie, so no.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I haven't either, but I think that's like one of the
most famous things.
I feel like if you do any tours, they always talk about that
and that's where the famouskissing scene is All right.
So how are you feeling so farabout Mackinac Island?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Nostalgic.
I kind of want to go back.
It been oh gosh almost threeyears no two years.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Two years because we both kind of went at the same
time.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
We literally it's.
It's our usual annual trip tonorth michigan, where we both
miss each other by a couple days, like yeah, um, I think it was
two years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
We did that okay.
So now let's talk about zach'sfavorite thing Fudge.
A shipwreck.
Oh yeah, those Fudge.
Sure, we can talk about fudge.
I didn't know that was yourfavorite thing, and not just one
.
Mackinac Island has plenty.
Nearly 90 shipwrecks haveoccurred in the Straits of
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Mackinac.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It makes sense, though, because that's where the
two lakes meet, and it getsrough out there.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I know, but it's like when you look at it on a map,
it's like nothing.
I mean, I know it is.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The Great Lakes are bad bitches.
They take boats.
They're so bad.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So the Straits of Mackinac are a vital waterway
connecting Lake Michigan andLake Huron, forming passage
between the upper and lowerpeninsulas of Michigan.
So here are some notableshipwrecks, because I cannot go
through all 90.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh man.
So the SS Cedarville 1955.
It was a steel freighter.
It sank after colliding with aNorwegian ship in heavy fog.
Ten crew members died and itlies about 110 feet of water and
it's a popular dive site butalso said to have an uneasy
(17:15):
energy.
The Sandesky 1856, sank in astorm carrying grain, one of the
oldest wrecks in the area,remarkably preserved, and divers
have reported strange whispersor feelings of being watched.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I don't know what I would do if I was diving and I
heard whispers.
I would have thought I'mgetting the bends.
I need to go now.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
The bends I would Drowned.
I'd probably pass out and drown.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And become the next Whisperer.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Eber Ward 1909.
So this was a wooden steamerand it struck ice and sink.
Five crew were lost and diversdescribed the wreck as eerily
intact, like she's waiting torise again.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It is just wild, with how cold the Great Lakes are,
that it just preserveseverything.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
William H Barnum, which is an 1894, burned and
sank near Boise Blank Island.
Is it Boise or Boise Boise?
B-o-i-s Boise Blank Island.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That would be French, so it would be a silent, like a
bois Bois.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
BlankS, boise Blanc Island.
That would be French, so itwould be a silent, like a bois
Bois Blanc Island, bois Blanc,bois Blanc.
I live in Grand Blanc, notGrand Blanc, anyway.
Wreckage lies in shallow water,making it visible to snorkelers
on clear days.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That would be cool, because at least you don't have
to get too close.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To just see any of those.
I would be sad, but it would bevery cool.
With lots of rich history,there has to be some horror If
the history isn't already horrorenough, it's so clever.
It's kind of horrifying.
So Mackinac has a reputationfor being one of the most
haunted places in Michigan, andI wonder why.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
We need to investigate there 100%.
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So Fort Mackinac ghosts of soldiers past.
The historic fort dating backto the late 1700s is said to be
one of the most hauntedlocations on the island.
Visitors and staff havereported 1.
The soldier in white?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Of course we have reported one, the soldier in
white.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Of course we gotta always have the ghost in white
so sighted near the office hillofficers hills quarters and
guardhouse.
Described as a tall male figuredressed in a white 18th century
british uniform, he is oftenseen standing still and watching
people before vanishing intothe air.
They also hear disembodiedfootsteps real quick.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Going back to that if , when, not if.
When I become a ghost, I wantto become the ones that vanish
into the air, because I feellike that always gives people
the most heebie-jeebies, likeyou see me for a second and then
gone because then you're likewait did I?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
did I just fucking see that.
No.
So the second thing that theyreport is disembodied footsteps.
So many visitors and staffreport hearing footsteps pacing
across wooden floors, especiallyin unaccompanied rooms.
The sound of military bootsclimbing stairs or patrolling
the perimeter has been capturedduring paranormal investigations
(20:28):
.
Number three is the hauntedkids quarters.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
No, your favorite.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Toys in the children's exhibit area are said
to move on their own,especially the rocking horse and
dolls.
Some say they've heardchildlike laughter or giggling
when no children are present,and paranormal teams have
recorded EVPs of whispers andhumming in the area.
They also have apparitions inthe windows, so staff has
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reported seeing faces or fullbody figures peering out of
second story windows, only tofind the building locked and
empty.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Are there glass in those windows too, or no?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Some I was gonna say because a lot of it feels like
it doesn't like that kind ofadds to it, because, like you're
not seeing a reflection I don'tremember, maybe not I, I just
because I did the tour two yearsago.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't quite remember.
Maybe it doesn't actually, ormaybe some buildings said I
can't, I really can't.
Are you looking it up?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
it looks like they do do.
Some of them Some do, somedon't.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, ok, also cold spots and some sudden
temperature drops.
So cold drafts and sharp dropsin temperatures have been
documented, especially in theold prison cell and guardhouse.
Some visitors report feeling aheavy presence or pressure in
their chests, while inside theserooms they also have
interactive ghosts.
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So tour guides have saidthey've heard their names
whispered, felt taps on theirshoulders or noticed doors
opening and closing bythemselves.
One even reported seeing anunseen hand close like an unseen
like hand close a um a ledgerbook in the commander's quarters
.
so like they didn't see theperson, they just kind of saw
like yeah just the hand yeah,basically, like this would
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probably be haunted just becauseof, like, the american
revolution, the war, the civilwar in fort mackinac saw years
of military hardship, illness,death.
Several burials took place onthe island and parts of the fort
are built near or over oldcemeteries and indigenous sacred
land.
So I can't imagine how oh yeah,we got a recipe for disaster
(22:36):
there yep, and then obviouslyall the other wars and things
that that fort had seen.
So the second haunted locationis a mission point resort and
they have the Weeping Ghost.
That's just so sad.
I know Once a college campus inthe 1960s.
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Really.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
The resort is now.
Sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Look it up.
I didn't look.
I'm sorry.
Every time I don't looksomething up I'm like I know
Zach's going to ask me about itand I still don't look it up.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I planned that way.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So the resort is now infamous for being haunted by a
spirit named Harvey, the ghostof Harvey.
Who was Harvey?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I've been asking myself that for the last 30
seconds.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I like that name, Harvey.
It's cute.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It always reminds me of Sabrina.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was just going to say Harvey Crinkle.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Horrible last name.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I think that was his name, harvey Crinkle.
Yeah, mr Crinkle.
Okay, harvey is believed to bea college student from the 1960s
, when the resort housed MoralRearmment MRA College.
Oh, there you go, mra College.
I did have it in here.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I needed to just be patient.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
A short-lived utopian experiment.
So the story goes that Harveyfell in love with a girl who
didn't return his feelings.
Unrequited love is always theworst Devastated he walked the
bluffs behind Mission Point andtook his own life with a gun.
Yes, so Harvey's haunted legacyis that his body was discovered
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months later frozen with abullet wound and a pistol nearby
, but his death remainssurrounded by mystery and
speculation.
So staff and guests reportdoors slamming on their own
footsteps in empty hallways, tvsand lights turning on and off,
the sensation of being watchedor followed, ghostly whispers
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and sobbing in empty rooms, andHarvey's hotspot is room 2200,
and it's considered to be theepicenter of activity.
This room is where the guestshave seen shadowy figures at the
foot of the bed, felt coldspots and sudden drops of
temperature and reported beingtouched or shaken awake.
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Don't wake me up.
Like don't shake me awake.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
That's so rude.
Right, just gently pull mycovers back until I'm freezing
and just be standing at the endof the bed.
Exactly, I'd rather have that,actually, would I?
I don't know, anything isshaking.
It's just like it's sofrustrating it pisses me off.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Paranormal teams have captured evps, unexplained
knocking and even like thelights flickering during
investigations.
Um and others report other thanharvey are children's spirits.
So some guests, especiallythose traveling with kids, have
reported interactions withghostly children, such as
hearing laughing or singing,boys moving or rolling on their
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own and feeling tiny fingers tugat clothing.
Let me do.
I just totally forgot to tellyou before I went on that I
could not find really why peoplespeculate that Harvey's death
was not necessarily himself.
It seemed pretty cut and dry.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I was trying to figure it out but, like I know
also, how did it take?
Months?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
because I like imagine the bluffs, or the
bluffs that far.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Oh, he did it in winter.
Okay, yeah, because they foundhim later.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah so I don't know.
I tried looking that up and Icouldn't find anything that, but
also I couldn't really findanything that was set in stone
that he really was a studentthere.
So who knows?
Another thing that happens hereis unseen performers, which I
think is so cool.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The theater space once used by the MRA is rumored
to be haunted by an actress orsinger who never left, so this
is one thing that always givesme because, like the forts and
the prisons and asylumsums,those make sense to me and why
they're haunted.
But there's also so manyhaunted theaters, like I wonder
if it's the emotion of so manypeople over the year.
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I think it's probably residual,right, but I wonder why those
spaces?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
so much energy.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Think of how much energy you put into a
performance I guess that's, trueyou know I mean whether it's
like you're putting residualenergy into it too, because
you're doing it over and over,over and over again.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, so I think that's why I think theaters are
just like a slow imprint.
Yeah, so people have heardmusic playing, voices behind the
curtain and even stage lightsflickering without power.
I think that's so cool.
Could you imagine just likehearing your performance from I
don't know a million years ago?
You know what I mean.
Not a million, but like.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I know what you mean.
It's just so cool.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Okay, so the vibe of Mission Point is not a scream in
the night type of like haunting.
It's more of like emotionallyheavy, like it's often described
as melancholy or mournful, butlike kind of like curiously
peaceful, like people don't everreally feel scared, they just
kind of feel like at ease orjust like sorrowful.
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I don't know which makes sense.
Ah, the drowning pool, thehaunted cove.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
This one I've heard of.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Located between Mission Point and and downtown.
This eerie body of water has achilling legend.
So the legend of the drowningpool, alleged witch trials not
necessarily salem-esque, butvery alleged, uh.
So the legend claims that inthe 17 and 1800s, seven women
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accused of witchcraft or moralcrimes, often innkeepers,
healers or women who didn't fitsociety's mold, were tied to
rocks and drowned here.
Also, let me just put in herethat my friend Brad sent me this
article and was like this istotally you, and it was
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literally just the witch trialsof Mackinac Island and this is
literally what made me actuallylike finally do Mackinac.
So shout out to Brad Thanks.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I think I've read this article.
Last time I was there Cause wewere looking for some of the
haunted places and this one'sinteresting but I don't actually
think it's real because there'snothing proven that there was
witch trials here.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But I think it's really cool.
Not cool, but you know.
So these weren't courtsanctioned witch trials like
Salem, but they were more likemob justice or community
suspicion.
So no official records back upany of these deaths.
But the lore persists and manybelieve some dark, dark, dark
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things did happen here.
So basically, the reportedhauntings of the drowning pool
are ghostly women in the water.
Visitors claim to see figuresof women rising from the hover
and hovering above the water,often wearing flowing dresses,
which which I'm sorry thatsounds so scary.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That would be so unsettling.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
That is so unnerving.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And then some report that the woman appeared to be
watching silently vanishing whenapproached.
I don't know, but that reallyfreaks me out.
Bubbles with no source.
So on still days the water iscalm, but occasionally bubbles
ripple out of nowhere said tohappen when spirits are near,
which.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So that's kind of a I don't know.
Here's one of those thingswhere I think sometimes, like
the phenomenon precedes thelegend, where probably the
legend of it was built aroundthis, but with it being such
native heavy land and all thatkind of stuff, it also very much
all these things could be verysimilar to elemental or fairy
energy, correct?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
yes, I agree, but also the bubbles, I'm sorry.
I can't really get down withthat because probably there's so
much stuff living or just like.
you know what I mean.
But I understand like, if it'sreally really just like silent
and still and you just seecreepy little bubbles, I get it.
You're already thinking thisEerie sounds and voices.
So paranormal investigatorshave reported hearing crying,
screaming, soft singing, andthen these sounds have often
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occurred at night or in theearly morning mist, especially
when no one else is nearby.
So I'm not saying that thesewitch trials didn't really
happen, but I don't know.
It's definitely some weirdthings.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I've read into those ones a bit and there's enough
evidence whether the legend partis true.
There's enough evidence thatsomething is occurring, oh for
sure.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So reflections that don't match reality is another
one of these hauntings.
Is another one of thesehauntings.
They say that some guests andghost tour participants have
looked into the water and seenfaces that weren't their own or
reflections that didn't matchwho was standing by them, which
is kind of what they also thinkthat these are the witches that
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were drowned looking back at you, which is so sad.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
That is sad Also.
Could you imagine not seeingyour own face reflected?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That would freak me out more than anything.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Ew.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So the atmosphere.
They basically say that thedrowning pool is only about 20
feet deep, but it's surroundedby overhanging trees and stone
paths that make it feel likeit's cut off from the island,
and so many describe the air asthick and heavy, even on sunny
days.
Others experience a sense oflike the dread and sadness,
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especially if you're, like,sensitive to energy, which that
makes sense, because if it is,if it is true, which it really
could be in, and just like therecords were never held or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I imagine they probably didn't want to make it
too public.
Well, no.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Right For sure, but yeah, you could definitely see
how the atmosphere would be verysad.
The next one that we have is StAnne's Cemetery, known for the
restless spirits, so one of theoldest cemeteries on the island,
dating back to the 1700s.
It has its share of ghoststories.
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People have seen figuresstanding by the graves,
especially near twilight.
Some say they've heard chantingor voices near the graves of
nuns and priests.
We get it Like.
I got lost through there notlost, but I might have made
aaron go for a bike ride throughup there and then when we got
to the cemetery it was so darkthat it was pitch black and we
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didn't have lights on the bikesbecause we rent oh no, we didn't
rent rakes, but our lights died.
It was awful, it was so dark.
The island has no lights, y'alllike.
It has no lights up there.
There's no like street lightsor anything.
Right, it is.
It was so dark.
The island has no lights, y'allLike it has no lights up there.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
There's no like streetlights or anything.
Right it is.
It was so dark, zach, becausethe only place that is is like
where the houses are and likeand it's such a small part of
the island that is actually.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
We couldn't see shit, and Aaron was so mad.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I remember you telling me about that he was
pissed.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It was so good though , all right.
Uh, the grand hotel glitz, glamand ghosts, baby.
Even the iconic luxury hotelhas paranormal rumors it's built
on bones.
So the hell, the hell, the hell, the hell.
The hotel was constructed onwhat was once a military
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post-cementary and the remainsunearthed during construction.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I was going to say did they move the remains?
I would imagine if theyunearthed them during
construction, they would havehad to.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yes, so many believe that disturbing these graves and
not fully relocating them leftsome spirits unsettled.
So the most common hauntingsand the spirits for there are
the man in the top hat.
The most famous ghost is awell-dressed gentleman in
Victorian form, aware, oftenseen in the ballroom or near the
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grand staircase, and he hasbeen spotted standing at windows
, walking through the walls ordisappearing into air.
Mid-step and room 220 there isthe room that has earned a
spooky reputation for objectsmoving on their own.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We need to look up the numerology of this, because
that's 220 and the other one was220.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, it was 220.
Yeah, I know, I realized thatwhen I was doing research.
I was like that's weird.
So lights flickering orshutting off, guests reporting
feelings of being watched oreven pinned down while sleeping.
And then staff has oftenavoided this room if they don't
have to enter it, like theydon't even want to be a part of
this room if they don't have to.
They also have phantom music.
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So reports of orchestral.
Is it orchestral?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I think you can say I think this is a potato, potato.
I think it's orchestral ororchestral.
I think you can say I think,this is a potato.
Potato, I think it's orchestralor orchestral, I think you can
say it either way, we're goingto go with that.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So music playing late at night with no events that
are happening.
Guests hear waltz and waltzesand piano tunes drifting through
hallways.
Some believe it's echoes from agilded age dancing, or maybe
the spirits are still justpartying, which that's what I
would like to believe right, Ithink we would definitely party
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in the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, oh my god, you wouldn't have to deal with
hangovers no, I don't think so.
Well, we don't know and youcould drink all the booze you
want the booze.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So they have a lady in white um described as a young
woman in elegant white gownseeing floating through,
especially near the cupola bar.
She's usually quiet and appearssad or thoughtful, vanishing
before anyone gets too close.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Do they have any idea of who she might have been?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I didn't see anything that said that.
No, the hallways are just kindof haunted.
So guests and staff reportssudden cold spots, shadowy
figures and old-fashionedclothing portraits that seem to
watch people move.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Hey, it's like in the haunted mansion.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I love it, uh, and then so some paranormal evidence
.
So paranormal investigators andguests have captured orbs light
anonymous anomalies thank you.
Evps or voices whispering orcalling names, apparitions
showing up in mirrors, in photos.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I think that's what I've seen the most of from the
Grand Hotel is like the mirrorstrangeness which is like I feel
like that's one of those thingsthat are like sometimes happens
, but that like they have somuch of that there.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Mm, hmm, like they have so much of that there, so
some pop culture haunting.
Going back to the hotel, wasthe setting of Somewhere in Time
, that movie, the 1980 romantictime travel film.
So some guests say the energyof the film and the real life
love story behind it left anemotional imprint on the hotel.
Oh, that's kind of cool.
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So they kind of think it'sactually haunted the hotel in a
good way obviously, yeah, likethe intentional haunting we
we've talked about quite a bitall right, so we're gonna go
back to zach's favorite ghostships and I'm gonna give you
ghost ships and haunted waters Ithought it was gonna be fudge
again.
So I'm going to give you someother shipwrecks, okay, but the
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hauntings that have come fromthese ones.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know I'm down for a haunted shipwreck.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
The, well, not the Le Griffon, which is 1679, the OG
ghost ship.
Ghost ship built by frenchexplorer la salle, disappeared
with six crew members and afortune in furs.
Has never been found, despitecenturies of searching.
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Said to be seen driftingthrough fog near the straits
sails full, but no one aboard.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I love, love that everyone in the Great Lakes
claims to have the originalghost ship in all their lore.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, hey, I don't know, but that's creepy, if you
just saw it and it was clearlylike a ghost ship, like no one
was on it Right and it justdisappears.
The WH Gilscher 1892.
The Steel Phantom yeah, One ofthe first steel fighters on the
Great Lakes vanished in aviolent storm near Mackinac
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Island.
Wreck never found Some reportseeing a ship matching her
description, on foggy nightsaccompanied by a phantom foghorn
.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I would love to see it go ship.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Wouldn't that be really cool.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It would be really cool, honestly.
That would complete my lifelike, imagine you're just
sitting on the porch of thegrand hotel and just see it go
by yeah, or I can envisionsitting in the um, what are
those chairs called anoranda?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
you know the all the white anoranda chairs what if we
were just sitting in one andthen we just saw it going by
right after we just came homefrom the pink pony club.
I just love that they have a, Ishould have worn my pink pony
sweatshirt, oh my god, youshould have I have it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I have it, god.
They had a good summer lastyear when that song they had to
have.
Oh yeah, I saw so many tiktoksof people because oh really for
people who don't know, there isa place on mackinac island
called the pink pony club.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh my god yeah, just the pink pony it's not a club oh
well, just the pink pony.
It's a very but it's a coolshop, but an expensive
restaurant.
I've ate there.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I've only drinks there, but their drinks are
expensive okay now.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
This would not be a carrot episode without a talking
about your watery buttholereddit story I wasn't wrong,
though no, you weren't all right, so I think I have a couple
quick Reddit stories to finishthis off, because I know this is
a longer episode.
I think I don't even know howlong we've been talking.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah we're right on average, but you also say every
episode is a longer episode, sowe're doing good and then it's
like not what was that I droppedsomething oh, it sounded like
it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Literally keep that in, if they can hear it, because
you oh, it sounded like it.
Literally Keep that in if theycan hear it, because you know
what it sounded like and whatZach's expression was like.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Oh shit, it sounded like the bolt from your chair
fell off and I was expectingyour chair to.
Literally, I just I fidget withmy rings and it literally hit
every bit of metal on the waytowards the ground.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
But it literally sounded like maybe the bolt of
your chair and like you wereabout to go down and your face
showed that I wouldn't besurprised, like a ship like a
shipwreck.
All right, so this is doublebeginning four, five, four, and
this was nine months ago recentoh that they wrote this at least
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All right.
Employee and resident.
The housing for my first seasonwas definitely haunted.
Windows and doors would openunexplainably and things would
fall over or get knocked downfor no reason.
If you're interested, there's acouple books about the
hauntings of Mackinac which Ihave that book and I used it for
my research, and there's aghost tour that you can go on.
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Mackinac used to be a burialground for native americans way
before there were cemeteries.
It's crazy how much history oneisland can hold.
I just wanted to put that on,put this one.
It's a very short one but Ithought it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
She's a resident still and lives there and like
you could go to her page and shehas a bunch it's so fun seeing
like the content from people wholive there, because it is it's
like you're literally living inthe 1800s yeah, most people, um,
they go to a lot of people thatI've talked to.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
They'll be there, obviously, for the summer.
They're working like the horsesand stuff like that, and a lot
of them go to like hawaii andthen they work on the beaches in
the winter.
It's great, perfect.
So shake puzzle headed 228.
And this is 10 months ago.
Hi, previous employee lived onthe island for five years.
The building I lived in wasalleged to be haunted.
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There is a ghost story right inthe back alley.
It's definitely a weird feeling, but no ghost sightings in all
five years.
Now the only ghost experienceis one night.
I was walking super late fromthe gatehouse and once I turned
down Market Street I took to theright down the street where
Kingston's is and thestreetlight is going absolutely
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crazy, flashing uncontrollably.
If you know any of the ghoststories, you should know that
street.
That street is one of the mosthaunted due to the old cemetery
being there.
I just keep walking home, butevery time I pass the street at
night I would look at that lightand have never seen it like
that again.
I put that one in there becauseit made me think of you.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I was going to say maybe a slider was just walking
past.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I think so, and the wild thing about that is those
are the only really two storiesthat I could find people giving
me haunted stuff on mackinacisland and both of them were
employees, which I thought waskind of cool that is cool.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I think this is one of those ones, though, that it
has been investigated by some.
Like the bigger names, andthey're always, I feel like the
evps are one of the biggestthing, and the mirrors yeah,
yeah, mirrors, and just I don't.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
There's no other way to explain it except for it does
feel like magical, because itjust feels like you're in a time
portal, like you just went backin time, Like it's so weird.
Anybody that can go or hasthought about going hasn't go.
It's so much fun.
You probably don't really needmaybe two days Like you don't
need more than that one night is.
I say as somebody who's neverspent that yeah if you do a
whole day, like usually I'll doa whole day, spend the night and
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then like, do the next day,like for a little bit, but there
is so much you could do.
Like I said, you could tour theum, the fort you can.
I mean it's only like what?
8.2 miles or six point.
No, what is the island?
It's on my sweatshirt, my othersweatshirt.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I can't think it doesn't matter, it's not very
large it's not at all.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You can ride it over and over again.
It's so much fun, it's justbeautiful, and you can get lost
in all, like the woods and likewhen the cemeteries, and, like I
said, at night you can findwhere all the locals hang out
and you can ask them, um, what'slike the most um tragic thing
that's ever happened on theisland, or like the number one
crime, like I did.
And you know the number onecrime on the island is, uh,
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horse thieving, no bike thieving.
Oh, you know why I was close?
Why?
It's just because usuallypeople are too drunk that live
there and they grab the road.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I was gonna say, yeah , they just take the wrong one
home.
Yeah, the bikes all do lookvery similar because they're all
like the old schwinn style tooyeah, but some people have their
own bike.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Like, if you live there, you usually bring your
own bike.
But like that was what the girlthat lives there said, yeah,
the number one crime in mackinacisland is bike thievery by
drunken accident um, also funfact kara got engaged on
mackinac island yay the biggesthorror story of them all.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
No, I'm kidding.
Wasn't that the same weekendthat you got lost with him, or
no, huh, that you and Aaron gotlost on the bike trail.
No, that was literally twoyears ago.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
No, but what I will remember.
I cannot remember what my.
He was really cool.
I wish I could remember him.
I wish I would've got hisInstagram, because he went to
Hawaii in the summers, but theguy that wrote or drove our
horses, he was really cool.
But I will never forget that myhorses were Reba and Rusty,
because he'd be like Reba, rustyI love that.
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And then I got an allergicreaction.
Sounds about right Horses,anyway.
So that is Mackinac Island, myfavorite place, my husband's for
sure favorite place.
We just love it.
Zach loves it.
We need to go together, wereally do, but it's just a very
magical, just a really coolplace, and so you guys should
look into it and they also havea place called Zach's Fudge
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there and my parents never letme live it down because they say
I found it.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
It just smacked me right in the face, mostly
because I was walking down thepier putting on a hoodie and I
slammed into the zack's fudgesign and knocked it over and
tripped myself.
Is zack's fudge still there?
I don't know if it is this wasa long long time ago because you
ruined the sign.
And then they were like we gottashut down yeah, it's just, you
know they're like well, he's waytoo cool, we can't be named
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after him anymore was it speltthe same?
I don't remember.
I was like eight years old whenthis happened.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I think you fucking ruined Zach's fudge.
Probably All right.
Well, what else Do you haveanything else for Mackinac Like?
What else can you think ofAnything cool when you?
Speaker 1 (46:25):
were there.
There are two of my favoritethings and one I'm way too old
to do but like.
Going to like the likeblacksmith metal shop is always
so fun, oh yeah, um.
And then they have the insectand reptile like garden.
It's like a.
It's more of like a butterflygarden than anything else but at
the end of it.
They have a bunch of reptiles,so I always go there.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's fun.
I'll have to do that.
You know what they have.
I don't know how recent, butthey have a um, like a.
I don't think it's like hauntedmuseum, but it's like a museum
of like mystery or like yeahyeah what is it called?
Speaker 1 (46:58):
um, um, it's not the mystery spot, but it is like oh
yeah, it's something like thatI've never done that, though,
have you?
Aaron didn't want to do italmost always been closed when I
go oh, because it's like.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It looks like an old theater, it's really dark and it
has like all like it's got likethe big foot out front and yeah
, and I think, um, not lacknassmonster, but the monster of the
dark black lagoon or something.
Yeah, I don't even know.
They have all kinds of weirdcool things there.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's just like you just gotta go it's just a fun,
everybody go uh, and that'sreally all I have for you guys
and we always ask for, but thewrite-ins we want this time.
If you've ever had experienceson Mackinac Island, let us know
about those.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That too, but also from our.
We need a call to action fromour last episode.
We need you guys to DM us somequestions that you would want to
ask Lauren the mortician forwhen she comes back, or you
could call in you could call oh,that would actually be more fun
, because then she could hearyou guys yes, call in the
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questions yeah phone numbersdown in the show note uh, what
emoji are we leaving for thisepisode?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
oh, a horse or a bike , a bike, a bike, a bike and
isn't there like the island with, like I know it has a palm tree
on it.
But bike in an island, sure,perfect.
Bike, island horse, whicheverout of those you prefer.
We'll know what you're talkingabout.
Maybe we will, Maybe we won't.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Oh I also hold on, hold, on, hold on y'all.
I have one last shout outbefore we leave.
Sorry, guys, sorry, I want toshout out Kaylee.
Kaylee DM'd us the other day,zachary, and she wants you to
cover a place, and I'm sayingyou because you're in Grand
Rapids.
I'll send you this, but shelives in Portage, isn't that in
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the thumb?
Portage, michigan?
I don't know, but she's a hugefan of us and she is so pretty.
You're so pretty, kaylee.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Oh my God, no, it's right by Kalamazoo.
Okay, that's by me.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I was going to say Portage doesn't sound that far,
but anyway.
So thank you for giving us asuggestion, thank you for
telling me I'm pretty, butyou're really pretty, but anyway
, that's my other shout out Allright, let's go.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Anything else we need before we close up the shop for
the day.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Uh no, the most important thing that you can do
for us is to creep a real yardballs.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Goodbye, bye At the Irish shop, hooked in the
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shadows At the Irish shop andhome with the oddballs At the
Irish shop.
The door's always open At theIrish shop.
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
bathed in the moonlight at theID shop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theIron Age Shop.
(00:29):
What's up, oddballs?
Welcome back to the podcast.
This is the podcast where wetell you creepy, odd, weird,
strange stories from around theglobe.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I am fabulous.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh, just wonderful and jet lagged you are wonderful
.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I was like, yes, you're very wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm just pushing through it, you should be
relaxed though.
I came right back in, rightinto everything, so I did
stretch.
Today, though, and after takingtwo weeks off of working out
and like my yoga and stuff, forsome reason I'm way more
flexible, so I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You want to know what's just really crazy.
This is so random.
But I literally had a shirtpulled out to put on and I was
like no, I don't really feellike it and I'm really mad,
because it was a tan shirt witha monstera on it and you're
wearing a green shirt with a tanmonstera.
And now I'm really mad atmyself.
I just bought this shirt.
(01:26):
It's really cute.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I just noticed it and now I'm mad at myself.
This cute little lady talked meinto buying two shirts for too
much money in lisbon.
But it's fine, because they'rereally soft how much is too much
money?
35 bucks for 35 euro for twoshirts.
So honestly it's like 40 bucksthat's 40 for two shirts yeah,
but the thing was is I had justtold, told Julia, my goal on
that vacation was to buysweaters or jackets, and because
(01:47):
I have way too many t-shirts,and then, literally an hour
later, I bought two t-shirts.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's okay.
You're on vacation.
Whatever you say doesn't evenmatter.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I have a new rule where every t-shirt that comes
into my closet, one goes out,and I stuck to it.
That's a great rule.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, I don't know how to live by that.
My entire closet is t-shirtsyeah, it happens.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
What's new with you?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
well, for those that don't know, we have not recorded
in a very long time.
You wouldn't actually know that, but it's been like it's been a
week, four weeks, since we'rerecording so it's been a minute,
uh, and I haven't even reallytalked to zach because he's been
gallivanting across the world,but anyway, my mom adopted a
pupper.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's so stinking cute .
Speaker 2 (02:29):
He is so cute and I don't even understand.
Her dog passed away seven weeksago, our family dog.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
RIP, little Brody.
We love you.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He was the best little baby and he sent this new
dog I can't even get into itFrom what you were telling me.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Brody sent Bowie to you.
Bowie, I love it too.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, I had a bunch of names list of names and Enzo
was my favorite and Erin lovedEnzo and my mom's like really
like Enzo's very cute.
But then she kept going back toBowie because she wants to call
him Bow.
But I don't think he looks likea bow.
I'm like if you're naming himBowie, he has to stay with Bowie
, not Bo.
And then she's like, oh my God,Bo is so close to bro, which is
(03:11):
what we call Brody.
Bowie is really close to Brody.
I'm like right, we should namehim Enzo, and she still didn't
do it.
So, whatever, I kind of likeEnzo, though, because Lorenzo
Enzo okay.
I like that because Bowie Enzodoesn't go great.
You know what I mean it has tobe like a.
So Bowie Lorenzo.
She doesn't know that I namedhis man, but it is, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You were asking me for name suggestions when I was
in England and you gave me theworst Joseph and call him Jojo
uh, it was joseph jefferson orsir barkingsworth jojo, I don't
listen nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Nothing against jojo, but no okay, what else is new?
Uh, that's really about itnoise.
Well, do you have anything elsenow?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
no, you've just been I just went on my my euro cruise
and came back and went rightback into work.
But the the vacation was great.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It was very, very needed and now I'm ready to
build my savings back up I mean,thankfully you were on a ship
for the majority of the timewhere you have to spend too much
money, but yeah, and it was afree cruise too, so I didn't
spend too much.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Uh, london was way more expensive than I was
anticipating, though yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That was, that was the rough um, what else?
I was just gonna say, dang, Ifeel like I was gonna say
something, but now I don't quiteremember I guess we should uh
just get this, this shop, openand get the episode going.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Fine, I would ask if you had a question for me, but
uh, but you already know, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's fine.
Uh, what is your favorite placeto go?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
that's.
That's just way too open likefor what I don't know what's
your favorite place to go.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You're mad that I've asked the question now because
it's like it.
Uh, okay, let's talk about myfavorite place okay, what's your
favorite place to go?
If you're craving a place wheretime slows down, the air smells
like fudge and lake water andhistory seeps from every stone
path, then mackinac island iscalling your name are you
(05:20):
finally covering mackinac island?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
how have we not talked about this?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
no, I'm not calling Mackinac Island.
I just fucking made that all upright now in the sky.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, you know what?
No, never mind, I'm just notgoing to talk.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Because every question you get so sassy today.
You got sassy.
You're like you can't.
That question is so vague.
That's not a question.
It's question like my favoriteplace to go.
For what?
What's your favorite place togo?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
fine general on the lake to go kayaking away from
everybody just been like.
Oh, my favorite place to go iskayaking it doesn't take me a
minute to think about that whenit's so open well, you can't get
mad if I ask a question.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
You got mad that I didn't have a question.
Then I gave you a question.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You got mad about the question it wasn't a well
thought out question it wasperfect.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It went right into my script so perfectly, all right.
Mackinac island is for dreamers, history nerds, romantics,
adventurers and people who needa damn break, like zach just got
.
You'll come for the fudge andhorses, but you'll stay for the
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magic, don't you agree?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know I would agree, but I have only ever done
day trips.
I've never gotten to stay thenight on the island and I always
feel so teased.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
We do need to do that , because the night it's not
popping, doesn't it?
It's probably like 11, 11o'clock and everything kind of
shuts down, but, like, some ofthe bars are still open.
But if you go to, my favoritething is when you go to the bars
that no one goes to, it's justlike the locals go to.
Oh, that's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Perfect.
We need to plan that.
We've talked about it a coupleof times.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I know Now.
Now let me give you all theways why it's not just a visit,
it's a portal for those thathaven't gone.
The island was primarilyinhabited and considered sacred
by the.
I hope I say this right and youcould probably maybe I've never
(07:20):
heard of the.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I hope I say this right tribe and nash.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
How did you know it was a tribe?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Because we're talking about something in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
A-N-I-S-H-I-N-A-A-B-E , and I totally meant to look
that up before we recorded.
Anash, I can't say it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Ah, you spelled it so fast, just go.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Anashabi.
I think it's AnashanabiAnashabie.
I think it's AnashanabieAnashanabie people, so this
includes it's probablyAnashanabie Anashanabie.
Thank you it is that.
Anashanabie, I'm so bad atpronouncing anything Y'all know
by now.
All right, so that consists of,or includes, the Adjabi, right
Chippewa, the Ottawa and thenthe Potawatomi.
(08:03):
Say it for me Potawatomi,potawatomi, potawatomi.
Yes, thank you.
I'm so sorry if I'm butcheringyour tribes.
I'm not being too, I promiseAll right.
So these groups form the ThreeFires Confederacy, a powerful
alliance in the Great Lakesregion, did you?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
know, I did not know, but I know now.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
All right, so the name Mackinaw comes from the
Drabi word meaning.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Ojibwe.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Great, oh, thank you.
I'm going to keep butchering it.
You should just say it for meOjibwe.
And you know what's crazy is?
I have it all pronounced nextto it, but I still can't fucking
do it, which means great turtle.
Oh, isn't that cute.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Very.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So they believed the island was the resting place of
the great spirit, and theisland's shape, when viewed from
above, resembled a turtle.
I can see that.
I kind of can too, withimagination.
It was a place of spiritualvision, quests, storytellings
and seasonal gathering.
What is it?
(09:09):
Anashawabi?
The anashawabi, a national I.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I need to see how this is spelled you said it
before a-n-i-s-h-i-n-a-a-b-eanishina Anishinaabe.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes, yeah, you said it right.
Okay, all right.
So the Anishinaabe did not liveon the island year round due to
the cold winters.
It was used as seasonal campfor fishing especially whitefish
and lake trout trade andspiritual ceremonies.
They built birchbark canoes,lived in wigwams.
(09:44):
What are those?
Are those?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
those are the it's like the round teepees.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
OK, that's what I was envisioning first.
Ok, and followed sustainablepractices of hunting, foraging
and fishing.
So long before Europeans, theisland was part of an extensive
indigenous trade networks of anextensive indigenous trade
networks.
So by the time French arrivedin the 1600s, they found
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Mackinac already bustling as ahub for fur trading.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Which is like so weird.
How do they decide that islandis the trade center?
Because it's not easy to get to.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No so, with Ottawa traders playing a key role as
the middleman.
So the French establishedrelationships with indigenous
groups through marriage, tradeand missionary efforts, and
Mackinac was considered a thinplace where the boundary between
the physical and the spiritualworld is narrow.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Which I feel like you can just feel when you're there
.
That's what.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I'm saying it's magic .
So elders and spiritual leaderswould conduct ceremonies and
teachings on the island.
Burial grounds and sacred spotswere carefully protected and
respected.
As European settlement expanded, indigenous tribes were
gradually displaced, especiallythrough treaties like the Treaty
of Washington in 1836, whichrelinquished much of northern
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Michigan.
So today descendants of thesetribes, especially the Little
Traverse Bay bands of OttawaIndians and Sault Ste Marie
tribe of tribal Indians,continue to maintain cultural
and historical ties to theisland.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But there's really not like a big native population
on the island at all.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's really sad.
It's native population on theisland at all.
It's really sad.
It's very, very sad.
All right, so let me give you abrief breakdown of some
additional history, like overthe years.
So the indigenous origins, sooriginal inhabitants, were the
how did we say it again?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Anishinaabe.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Thank you, which I already went through what you
know that all entails.
But they lived on the aroundthe island for centuries.
They considered the islandsacred, believing it was the
home of the Great Spirit.
Like I said, they namedMackinac comes from place of the
Great Turtle or Great Turtle.
Okay, so that's how we allstarted, that's where all the
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magic is from.
Okay, so then the French andthe British control from the
1600 to the 1700s, so the Frenchperiod.
The French arrived in the 1600sand established a fur trading
post.
The Alley became a vital hub tothe North America fur trade.
Okay, then the British takesover, of course.
After the French and Indian Warin 1763, the British took
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control and then Fort Mackinacon the mainland was moved to the
island in 1780 and became FortMackinac, a strategic military
post.
Which have you ever toured that?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I did when I was younger, but every time.
I've been up there for the day.
I'm like I don't know if I wantto bike all the way up there.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's really cool.
Um, so then the and that was abritish fort.
So, yeah, so well, the, yeah,so after the french indian war,
the british took, okay, controlof it.
Yep, so then the american eraand the war of 1812.
So after the americanrevolution, mackinac island was
handed over to the US in 1796.
And then, during the War of1812, the British recaptured
Fort Mackinac in a surpriseattack.
So the Americans tried to takeit back in 1814, but failed.
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It was returned to the US afterthe war ended in 1815.
It's like the island has somuch history it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It is wild.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So Victorian tourism and the rise of resorts was in
the late 1800s.
So by the late 19th century theisland became a popular summer
resort for wealthy Americans,escaping the heat of the cities
like Chicago and Detroit.
The Grand Hotel opened in 1887and became famous for its
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660-foot front porch, which isstill the longest in the world.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I would have thought the Grand Hotel was older than
that.
I know 1895.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Doesn't it feel like it should be?
It does Because, I mean, thewhole island has such an
old-timey feel to it.
But 1887.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Close enough, yeah?
Well, the next line is 1895.
I'm sorry, so 1887 was theGrand Tour de.
In 1895, mackinac Island StatePark became Michigan's first
state park and the secondnational park in the US, before
being turned over to the state,which I'm sure you probably knew
that.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I knew it was the first state park.
I didn't know Is it still anational park?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
The second national park.
I think so.
Well, no, because if it'sturned over to the state, is it
then considered just a statepark or national park?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I don't know.
We'll say state.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We'll have to look that up.
So motor vehicles were bannedin 1898 and are still banned
today, giving the island itsunique horse-drawn,
bicycle-driven charm, which isour favorite thing about the
islands Well, mine, I love it somuch because you have to walk
everywhere or you have to dobikes, like horse rides.
It's just so fun, like the factthat you can't get on a car or
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anything motorized is just sofun to me.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It really adds to like the.
You truly feel like you go backin time.
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So then, just like a little pop culture note,
mackinac Island is the settingfor the 1980 romantic time
travel movie Somewhere in Time,starring Christopher Reeve and
Jane Seymour, filmed at theGrand Hotel.
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I've never seen that movie, so no.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I haven't either, but I think that's like one of the
most famous things.
I feel like if you do any tours, they always talk about that
and that's where the famouskissing scene is All right.
So how are you feeling so farabout Mackinac Island?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Nostalgic.
I kind of want to go back.
It been oh gosh almost threeyears no two years.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Two years because we both kind of went at the same
time.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
We literally it's.
It's our usual annual trip tonorth michigan, where we both
miss each other by a couple days, like yeah, um, I think it was
two years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
We did that okay.
So now let's talk about zach'sfavorite thing Fudge.
A shipwreck.
Oh yeah, those Fudge.
Sure, we can talk about fudge.
I didn't know that was yourfavorite thing, and not just one
.
Mackinac Island has plenty.
Nearly 90 shipwrecks haveoccurred in the Straits of
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Mackinac.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It makes sense, though, because that's where the
two lakes meet, and it getsrough out there.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I know, but it's like when you look at it on a map,
it's like nothing.
I mean, I know it is.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The Great Lakes are bad bitches.
They take boats.
They're so bad.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So the Straits of Mackinac are a vital waterway
connecting Lake Michigan andLake Huron, forming passage
between the upper and lowerpeninsulas of Michigan.
So here are some notableshipwrecks, because I cannot go
through all 90.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh man.
So the SS Cedarville 1955.
It was a steel freighter.
It sank after colliding with aNorwegian ship in heavy fog.
Ten crew members died and itlies about 110 feet of water and
it's a popular dive site butalso said to have an uneasy
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energy.
The Sandesky 1856, sank in astorm carrying grain, one of the
oldest wrecks in the area,remarkably preserved, and divers
have reported strange whispersor feelings of being watched.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I don't know what I would do if I was diving and I
heard whispers.
I would have thought I'mgetting the bends.
I need to go now.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
The bends I would Drowned.
I'd probably pass out and drown.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And become the next Whisperer.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Eber Ward 1909.
So this was a wooden steamerand it struck ice and sink.
Five crew were lost and diversdescribed the wreck as eerily
intact, like she's waiting torise again.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It is just wild, with how cold the Great Lakes are,
that it just preserveseverything.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
William H Barnum, which is an 1894, burned and
sank near Boise Blank Island.
Is it Boise or Boise Boise?
B-o-i-s Boise Blank Island.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That would be French, so it would be a silent, like a
bois Bois.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
BlankS, boise Blanc Island.
That would be French, so itwould be a silent, like a bois
Bois Blanc Island, bois Blanc,bois Blanc.
I live in Grand Blanc, notGrand Blanc, anyway.
Wreckage lies in shallow water,making it visible to snorkelers
on clear days.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That would be cool, because at least you don't have
to get too close.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To just see any of those.
I would be sad, but it would bevery cool.
With lots of rich history,there has to be some horror If
the history isn't already horrorenough, it's so clever.
It's kind of horrifying.
So Mackinac has a reputationfor being one of the most
haunted places in Michigan, andI wonder why.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
We need to investigate there 100%.
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So Fort Mackinac ghosts of soldiers past.
The historic fort dating backto the late 1700s is said to be
one of the most hauntedlocations on the island.
Visitors and staff havereported 1.
The soldier in white?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Of course we have reported one, the soldier in
white.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Of course we gotta always have the ghost in white
so sighted near the office hillofficers hills quarters and
guardhouse.
Described as a tall male figuredressed in a white 18th century
british uniform, he is oftenseen standing still and watching
people before vanishing intothe air.
They also hear disembodiedfootsteps real quick.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Going back to that if , when, not if.
When I become a ghost, I wantto become the ones that vanish
into the air, because I feellike that always gives people
the most heebie-jeebies, likeyou see me for a second and then
gone because then you're likewait did I?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
did I just fucking see that.
No.
So the second thing that theyreport is disembodied footsteps.
So many visitors and staffreport hearing footsteps pacing
across wooden floors, especiallyin unaccompanied rooms.
The sound of military bootsclimbing stairs or patrolling
the perimeter has been capturedduring paranormal investigations
(20:28):
.
Number three is the hauntedkids quarters.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
No, your favorite.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Toys in the children's exhibit area are said
to move on their own,especially the rocking horse and
dolls.
Some say they've heardchildlike laughter or giggling
when no children are present,and paranormal teams have
recorded EVPs of whispers andhumming in the area.
They also have apparitions inthe windows, so staff has
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reported seeing faces or fullbody figures peering out of
second story windows, only tofind the building locked and
empty.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Are there glass in those windows too, or no?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Some I was gonna say because a lot of it feels like
it doesn't like that kind ofadds to it, because, like you're
not seeing a reflection I don'tremember, maybe not I, I just
because I did the tour two yearsago.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't quite remember.
Maybe it doesn't actually, ormaybe some buildings said I
can't, I really can't.
Are you looking it up?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
it looks like they do do.
Some of them Some do, somedon't.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, ok, also cold spots and some sudden
temperature drops.
So cold drafts and sharp dropsin temperatures have been
documented, especially in theold prison cell and guardhouse.
Some visitors report feeling aheavy presence or pressure in
their chests, while inside theserooms they also have
interactive ghosts.
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So tour guides have saidthey've heard their names
whispered, felt taps on theirshoulders or noticed doors
opening and closing bythemselves.
One even reported seeing anunseen hand close like an unseen
like hand close a um a ledgerbook in the commander's quarters
.
so like they didn't see theperson, they just kind of saw
like yeah just the hand yeah,basically, like this would
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probably be haunted just becauseof, like, the american
revolution, the war, the civilwar in fort mackinac saw years
of military hardship, illness,death.
Several burials took place onthe island and parts of the fort
are built near or over oldcemeteries and indigenous sacred
land.
So I can't imagine how oh yeah,we got a recipe for disaster
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there yep, and then obviouslyall the other wars and things
that that fort had seen.
So the second haunted locationis a mission point resort and
they have the Weeping Ghost.
That's just so sad.
I know Once a college campus inthe 1960s.
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Really.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
The resort is now.
Sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Look it up.
I didn't look.
I'm sorry.
Every time I don't looksomething up I'm like I know
Zach's going to ask me about itand I still don't look it up.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I planned that way.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So the resort is now infamous for being haunted by a
spirit named Harvey, the ghostof Harvey.
Who was Harvey?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I've been asking myself that for the last 30
seconds.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I like that name, Harvey.
It's cute.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It always reminds me of Sabrina.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was just going to say Harvey Crinkle.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Horrible last name.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I think that was his name, harvey Crinkle.
Yeah, mr Crinkle.
Okay, harvey is believed to bea college student from the 1960s
, when the resort housed MoralRearmment MRA College.
Oh, there you go, mra College.
I did have it in here.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I needed to just be patient.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
A short-lived utopian experiment.
So the story goes that Harveyfell in love with a girl who
didn't return his feelings.
Unrequited love is always theworst Devastated he walked the
bluffs behind Mission Point andtook his own life with a gun.
Yes, so Harvey's haunted legacyis that his body was discovered
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months later frozen with abullet wound and a pistol nearby
, but his death remainssurrounded by mystery and
speculation.
So staff and guests reportdoors slamming on their own
footsteps in empty hallways, tvsand lights turning on and off,
the sensation of being watchedor followed, ghostly whispers
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and sobbing in empty rooms, andHarvey's hotspot is room 2200,
and it's considered to be theepicenter of activity.
This room is where the guestshave seen shadowy figures at the
foot of the bed, felt coldspots and sudden drops of
temperature and reported beingtouched or shaken awake.
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Don't wake me up.
Like don't shake me awake.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
That's so rude.
Right, just gently pull mycovers back until I'm freezing
and just be standing at the endof the bed.
Exactly, I'd rather have that,actually, would I?
I don't know, anything isshaking.
It's just like it's sofrustrating it pisses me off.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Paranormal teams have captured evps, unexplained
knocking and even like thelights flickering during
investigations.
Um and others report other thanharvey are children's spirits.
So some guests, especiallythose traveling with kids, have
reported interactions withghostly children, such as
hearing laughing or singing,boys moving or rolling on their
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own and feeling tiny fingers tugat clothing.
Let me do.
I just totally forgot to tellyou before I went on that I
could not find really why peoplespeculate that Harvey's death
was not necessarily himself.
It seemed pretty cut and dry.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I was trying to figure it out but, like I know
also, how did it take?
Months?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
because I like imagine the bluffs, or the
bluffs that far.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Oh, he did it in winter.
Okay, yeah, because they foundhim later.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah so I don't know.
I tried looking that up and Icouldn't find anything that, but
also I couldn't really findanything that was set in stone
that he really was a studentthere.
So who knows?
Another thing that happens hereis unseen performers, which I
think is so cool.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The theater space once used by the MRA is rumored
to be haunted by an actress orsinger who never left, so this
is one thing that always givesme because, like the forts and
the prisons and asylumsums,those make sense to me and why
they're haunted.
But there's also so manyhaunted theaters, like I wonder
if it's the emotion of so manypeople over the year.
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I think it's probably residual,right, but I wonder why those
spaces?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
so much energy.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Think of how much energy you put into a
performance I guess that's, trueyou know I mean whether it's
like you're putting residualenergy into it too, because
you're doing it over and over,over and over again.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, so I think that's why I think theaters are
just like a slow imprint.
Yeah, so people have heardmusic playing, voices behind the
curtain and even stage lightsflickering without power.
I think that's so cool.
Could you imagine just likehearing your performance from I
don't know a million years ago?
You know what I mean.
Not a million, but like.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I know what you mean.
It's just so cool.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Okay, so the vibe of Mission Point is not a scream in
the night type of like haunting.
It's more of like emotionallyheavy, like it's often described
as melancholy or mournful, butlike kind of like curiously
peaceful, like people don't everreally feel scared, they just
kind of feel like at ease orjust like sorrowful.
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I don't know which makes sense.
Ah, the drowning pool, thehaunted cove.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
This one I've heard of.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Located between Mission Point and and downtown.
This eerie body of water has achilling legend.
So the legend of the drowningpool, alleged witch trials not
necessarily salem-esque, butvery alleged, uh.
So the legend claims that inthe 17 and 1800s, seven women
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accused of witchcraft or moralcrimes, often innkeepers,
healers or women who didn't fitsociety's mold, were tied to
rocks and drowned here.
Also, let me just put in herethat my friend Brad sent me this
article and was like this istotally you, and it was
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literally just the witch trialsof Mackinac Island and this is
literally what made me actuallylike finally do Mackinac.
So shout out to Brad Thanks.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I think I've read this article.
Last time I was there Cause wewere looking for some of the
haunted places and this one'sinteresting but I don't actually
think it's real because there'snothing proven that there was
witch trials here.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But I think it's really cool.
Not cool, but you know.
So these weren't courtsanctioned witch trials like
Salem, but they were more likemob justice or community
suspicion.
So no official records back upany of these deaths.
But the lore persists and manybelieve some dark, dark, dark
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things did happen here.
So basically, the reportedhauntings of the drowning pool
are ghostly women in the water.
Visitors claim to see figuresof women rising from the hover
and hovering above the water,often wearing flowing dresses,
which which I'm sorry thatsounds so scary.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That would be so unsettling.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
That is so unnerving.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And then some report that the woman appeared to be
watching silently vanishing whenapproached.
I don't know, but that reallyfreaks me out.
Bubbles with no source.
So on still days the water iscalm, but occasionally bubbles
ripple out of nowhere said tohappen when spirits are near,
which.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So that's kind of a I don't know.
Here's one of those thingswhere I think sometimes, like
the phenomenon precedes thelegend, where probably the
legend of it was built aroundthis, but with it being such
native heavy land and all thatkind of stuff, it also very much
all these things could be verysimilar to elemental or fairy
energy, correct?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
yes, I agree, but also the bubbles, I'm sorry.
I can't really get down withthat because probably there's so
much stuff living or just like.
you know what I mean.
But I understand like, if it'sreally really just like silent
and still and you just seecreepy little bubbles, I get it.
You're already thinking thisEerie sounds and voices.
So paranormal investigatorshave reported hearing crying,
screaming, soft singing, andthen these sounds have often
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occurred at night or in theearly morning mist, especially
when no one else is nearby.
So I'm not saying that thesewitch trials didn't really
happen, but I don't know.
It's definitely some weirdthings.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I've read into those ones a bit and there's enough
evidence whether the legend partis true.
There's enough evidence thatsomething is occurring, oh for
sure.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So reflections that don't match reality is another
one of these hauntings.
Is another one of thesehauntings.
They say that some guests andghost tour participants have
looked into the water and seenfaces that weren't their own or
reflections that didn't matchwho was standing by them, which
is kind of what they also thinkthat these are the witches that
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were drowned looking back at you, which is so sad.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
That is sad Also.
Could you imagine not seeingyour own face reflected?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That would freak me out more than anything.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Ew.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So the atmosphere.
They basically say that thedrowning pool is only about 20
feet deep, but it's surroundedby overhanging trees and stone
paths that make it feel likeit's cut off from the island,
and so many describe the air asthick and heavy, even on sunny
days.
Others experience a sense oflike the dread and sadness,
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especially if you're, like,sensitive to energy, which that
makes sense, because if it is,if it is true, which it really
could be in, and just like therecords were never held or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I imagine they probably didn't want to make it
too public.
Well, no.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Right For sure, but yeah, you could definitely see
how the atmosphere would be verysad.
The next one that we have is StAnne's Cemetery, known for the
restless spirits, so one of theoldest cemeteries on the island,
dating back to the 1700s.
It has its share of ghoststories.
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People have seen figuresstanding by the graves,
especially near twilight.
Some say they've heard chantingor voices near the graves of
nuns and priests.
We get it Like.
I got lost through there notlost, but I might have made
aaron go for a bike ride throughup there and then when we got
to the cemetery it was so darkthat it was pitch black and we
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didn't have lights on the bikesbecause we rent oh no, we didn't
rent rakes, but our lights died.
It was awful, it was so dark.
The island has no lights, y'alllike.
It has no lights up there.
There's no like street lightsor anything.
Right, it is.
It was so dark.
The island has no lights, y'allLike it has no lights up there.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
There's no like streetlights or anything.
Right it is.
It was so dark, zach, becausethe only place that is is like
where the houses are and likeand it's such a small part of
the island that is actually.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
We couldn't see shit, and Aaron was so mad.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I remember you telling me about that he was
pissed.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It was so good though , all right.
Uh, the grand hotel glitz, glamand ghosts, baby.
Even the iconic luxury hotelhas paranormal rumors it's built
on bones.
So the hell, the hell, the hell, the hell.
The hotel was constructed onwhat was once a military
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post-cementary and the remainsunearthed during construction.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I was going to say did they move the remains?
I would imagine if theyunearthed them during
construction, they would havehad to.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yes, so many believe that disturbing these graves and
not fully relocating them leftsome spirits unsettled.
So the most common hauntingsand the spirits for there are
the man in the top hat.
The most famous ghost is awell-dressed gentleman in
Victorian form, aware, oftenseen in the ballroom or near the
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grand staircase, and he hasbeen spotted standing at windows
, walking through the walls ordisappearing into air.
Mid-step and room 220 there isthe room that has earned a
spooky reputation for objectsmoving on their own.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We need to look up the numerology of this, because
that's 220 and the other one was220.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, it was 220.
Yeah, I know, I realized thatwhen I was doing research.
I was like that's weird.
So lights flickering orshutting off, guests reporting
feelings of being watched oreven pinned down while sleeping.
And then staff has oftenavoided this room if they don't
have to enter it, like theydon't even want to be a part of
this room if they don't have to.
They also have phantom music.
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So reports of orchestral.
Is it orchestral?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I think you can say I think this is a potato, potato.
I think it's orchestral ororchestral.
I think you can say I think,this is a potato.
Potato, I think it's orchestralor orchestral, I think you can
say it either way, we're goingto go with that.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So music playing late at night with no events that
are happening.
Guests hear waltz and waltzesand piano tunes drifting through
hallways.
Some believe it's echoes from agilded age dancing, or maybe
the spirits are still justpartying, which that's what I
would like to believe right, Ithink we would definitely party
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in the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, oh my god, you wouldn't have to deal with
hangovers no, I don't think so.
Well, we don't know and youcould drink all the booze you
want the booze.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So they have a lady in white um described as a young
woman in elegant white gownseeing floating through,
especially near the cupola bar.
She's usually quiet and appearssad or thoughtful, vanishing
before anyone gets too close.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Do they have any idea of who she might have been?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I didn't see anything that said that.
No, the hallways are just kindof haunted.
So guests and staff reportssudden cold spots, shadowy
figures and old-fashionedclothing portraits that seem to
watch people move.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Hey, it's like in the haunted mansion.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I love it, uh, and then so some paranormal evidence
.
So paranormal investigators andguests have captured orbs light
anonymous anomalies thank you.
Evps or voices whispering orcalling names, apparitions
showing up in mirrors, in photos.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I think that's what I've seen the most of from the
Grand Hotel is like the mirrorstrangeness which is like I feel
like that's one of those thingsthat are like sometimes happens
, but that like they have somuch of that there.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Mm, hmm, like they have so much of that there, so
some pop culture haunting.
Going back to the hotel, wasthe setting of Somewhere in Time
, that movie, the 1980 romantictime travel film.
So some guests say the energyof the film and the real life
love story behind it left anemotional imprint on the hotel.
Oh, that's kind of cool.
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So they kind of think it'sactually haunted the hotel in a
good way obviously, yeah, likethe intentional haunting we
we've talked about quite a bitall right, so we're gonna go
back to zach's favorite ghostships and I'm gonna give you
ghost ships and haunted waters Ithought it was gonna be fudge
again.
So I'm going to give you someother shipwrecks, okay, but the
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hauntings that have come fromthese ones.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know I'm down for a haunted shipwreck.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
The, well, not the Le Griffon, which is 1679, the OG
ghost ship.
Ghost ship built by frenchexplorer la salle, disappeared
with six crew members and afortune in furs.
Has never been found, despitecenturies of searching.
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Said to be seen driftingthrough fog near the straits
sails full, but no one aboard.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I love, love that everyone in the Great Lakes
claims to have the originalghost ship in all their lore.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, hey, I don't know, but that's creepy, if you
just saw it and it was clearlylike a ghost ship, like no one
was on it Right and it justdisappears.
The WH Gilscher 1892.
The Steel Phantom yeah, One ofthe first steel fighters on the
Great Lakes vanished in aviolent storm near Mackinac
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Island.
Wreck never found Some reportseeing a ship matching her
description, on foggy nightsaccompanied by a phantom foghorn
.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I would love to see it go ship.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Wouldn't that be really cool.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It would be really cool, honestly.
That would complete my lifelike, imagine you're just
sitting on the porch of thegrand hotel and just see it go
by yeah, or I can envisionsitting in the um, what are
those chairs called anoranda?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
you know the all the white anoranda chairs what if we
were just sitting in one andthen we just saw it going by
right after we just came homefrom the pink pony club.
I just love that they have a, Ishould have worn my pink pony
sweatshirt, oh my god, youshould have I have it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I have it, god.
They had a good summer lastyear when that song they had to
have.
Oh yeah, I saw so many tiktoksof people because oh really for
people who don't know, there isa place on mackinac island
called the pink pony club.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh my god yeah, just the pink pony it's not a club oh
well, just the pink pony.
It's a very but it's a coolshop, but an expensive
restaurant.
I've ate there.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I've only drinks there, but their drinks are
expensive okay now.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
This would not be a carrot episode without a talking
about your watery buttholereddit story I wasn't wrong,
though no, you weren't all right, so I think I have a couple
quick Reddit stories to finishthis off, because I know this is
a longer episode.
I think I don't even know howlong we've been talking.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah we're right on average, but you also say every
episode is a longer episode, sowe're doing good and then it's
like not what was that I droppedsomething oh, it sounded like
it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Literally keep that in, if they can hear it, because
you oh, it sounded like it.
Literally Keep that in if theycan hear it, because you know
what it sounded like and whatZach's expression was like.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Oh shit, it sounded like the bolt from your chair
fell off and I was expectingyour chair to.
Literally, I just I fidget withmy rings and it literally hit
every bit of metal on the waytowards the ground.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
But it literally sounded like maybe the bolt of
your chair and like you wereabout to go down and your face
showed that I wouldn't besurprised, like a ship like a
shipwreck.
All right, so this is doublebeginning four, five, four, and
this was nine months ago recentoh that they wrote this at least
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All right.
Employee and resident.
The housing for my first seasonwas definitely haunted.
Windows and doors would openunexplainably and things would
fall over or get knocked downfor no reason.
If you're interested, there's acouple books about the
hauntings of Mackinac which Ihave that book and I used it for
my research, and there's aghost tour that you can go on.
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Mackinac used to be a burialground for native americans way
before there were cemeteries.
It's crazy how much history oneisland can hold.
I just wanted to put that on,put this one.
It's a very short one but Ithought it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
She's a resident still and lives there and like
you could go to her page and shehas a bunch it's so fun seeing
like the content from people wholive there, because it is it's
like you're literally living inthe 1800s yeah, most people, um,
they go to a lot of people thatI've talked to.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
They'll be there, obviously, for the summer.
They're working like the horsesand stuff like that, and a lot
of them go to like hawaii andthen they work on the beaches in
the winter.
It's great, perfect.
So shake puzzle headed 228.
And this is 10 months ago.
Hi, previous employee lived onthe island for five years.
The building I lived in wasalleged to be haunted.
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There is a ghost story right inthe back alley.
It's definitely a weird feeling, but no ghost sightings in all
five years.
Now the only ghost experienceis one night.
I was walking super late fromthe gatehouse and once I turned
down Market Street I took to theright down the street where
Kingston's is and thestreetlight is going absolutely
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crazy, flashing uncontrollably.
If you know any of the ghoststories, you should know that
street.
That street is one of the mosthaunted due to the old cemetery
being there.
I just keep walking home, butevery time I pass the street at
night I would look at that lightand have never seen it like
that again.
I put that one in there becauseit made me think of you.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I was going to say maybe a slider was just walking
past.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I think so, and the wild thing about that is those
are the only really two storiesthat I could find people giving
me haunted stuff on mackinacisland and both of them were
employees, which I thought waskind of cool that is cool.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I think this is one of those ones, though, that it
has been investigated by some.
Like the bigger names, andthey're always, I feel like the
evps are one of the biggestthing, and the mirrors yeah,
yeah, mirrors, and just I don't.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
There's no other way to explain it except for it does
feel like magical, because itjust feels like you're in a time
portal, like you just went backin time, Like it's so weird.
Anybody that can go or hasthought about going hasn't go.
It's so much fun.
You probably don't really needmaybe two days Like you don't
need more than that one night is.
I say as somebody who's neverspent that yeah if you do a
whole day, like usually I'll doa whole day, spend the night and
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then like, do the next day,like for a little bit, but there
is so much you could do.
Like I said, you could tour theum, the fort you can.
I mean it's only like what?
8.2 miles or six point.
No, what is the island?
It's on my sweatshirt, my othersweatshirt.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I can't think it doesn't matter, it's not very
large it's not at all.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You can ride it over and over again.
It's so much fun, it's justbeautiful, and you can get lost
in all, like the woods and likewhen the cemeteries, and, like I
said, at night you can findwhere all the locals hang out
and you can ask them, um, what'slike the most um tragic thing
that's ever happened on theisland, or like the number one
crime, like I did.
And you know the number onecrime on the island is, uh,
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horse thieving, no bike thieving.
Oh, you know why I was close?
Why?
It's just because usuallypeople are too drunk that live
there and they grab the road.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I was gonna say, yeah , they just take the wrong one
home.
Yeah, the bikes all do lookvery similar because they're all
like the old schwinn style tooyeah, but some people have their
own bike.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Like, if you live there, you usually bring your
own bike.
But like that was what the girlthat lives there said, yeah,
the number one crime in mackinacisland is bike thievery by
drunken accident um, also funfact kara got engaged on
mackinac island yay the biggesthorror story of them all.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
No, I'm kidding.
Wasn't that the same weekendthat you got lost with him, or
no, huh, that you and Aaron gotlost on the bike trail.
No, that was literally twoyears ago.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
No, but what I will remember.
I cannot remember what my.
He was really cool.
I wish I could remember him.
I wish I would've got hisInstagram, because he went to
Hawaii in the summers, but theguy that wrote or drove our
horses, he was really cool.
But I will never forget that myhorses were Reba and Rusty,
because he'd be like Reba, rustyI love that.
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And then I got an allergicreaction.
Sounds about right Horses,anyway.
So that is Mackinac Island, myfavorite place, my husband's for
sure favorite place.
We just love it.
Zach loves it.
We need to go together, wereally do, but it's just a very
magical, just a really coolplace, and so you guys should
look into it and they also havea place called Zach's Fudge
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there and my parents never letme live it down because they say
I found it.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
It just smacked me right in the face, mostly
because I was walking down thepier putting on a hoodie and I
slammed into the zack's fudgesign and knocked it over and
tripped myself.
Is zack's fudge still there?
I don't know if it is this wasa long long time ago because you
ruined the sign.
And then they were like we gottashut down yeah, it's just, you
know they're like well, he's waytoo cool, we can't be named
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after him anymore was it speltthe same?
I don't remember.
I was like eight years old whenthis happened.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I think you fucking ruined Zach's fudge.
Probably All right.
Well, what else Do you haveanything else for Mackinac Like?
What else can you think ofAnything cool when you?
Speaker 1 (46:25):
were there.
There are two of my favoritethings and one I'm way too old
to do but like.
Going to like the likeblacksmith metal shop is always
so fun, oh yeah, um.
And then they have the insectand reptile like garden.
It's like a.
It's more of like a butterflygarden than anything else but at
the end of it.
They have a bunch of reptiles,so I always go there.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's fun.
I'll have to do that.
You know what they have.
I don't know how recent, butthey have a um, like a.
I don't think it's like hauntedmuseum, but it's like a museum
of like mystery or like yeahyeah what is it called?
Speaker 1 (46:58):
um, um, it's not the mystery spot, but it is like oh
yeah, it's something like thatI've never done that, though,
have you?
Aaron didn't want to do italmost always been closed when I
go oh, because it's like.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It looks like an old theater, it's really dark and it
has like all like it's got likethe big foot out front and yeah
, and I think, um, not lacknassmonster, but the monster of the
dark black lagoon or something.
Yeah, I don't even know.
They have all kinds of weirdcool things there.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's just like you just gotta go it's just a fun,
everybody go uh, and that'sreally all I have for you guys
and we always ask for, but thewrite-ins we want this time.
If you've ever had experienceson Mackinac Island, let us know
about those.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That too, but also from our.
We need a call to action fromour last episode.
We need you guys to DM us somequestions that you would want to
ask Lauren the mortician forwhen she comes back, or you
could call in you could call oh,that would actually be more fun
, because then she could hearyou guys yes, call in the
(47:58):
questions yeah phone numbersdown in the show note uh, what
emoji are we leaving for thisepisode?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
oh, a horse or a bike , a bike, a bike, a bike and
isn't there like the island with, like I know it has a palm tree
on it.
But bike in an island, sure,perfect.
Bike, island horse, whicheverout of those you prefer.
We'll know what you're talkingabout.
Maybe we will, Maybe we won't.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Oh I also hold on, hold, on, hold on y'all.
I have one last shout outbefore we leave.
Sorry, guys, sorry, I want toshout out Kaylee.
Kaylee DM'd us the other day,zachary, and she wants you to
cover a place, and I'm sayingyou because you're in Grand
Rapids.
I'll send you this, but shelives in Portage, isn't that in
(48:41):
the thumb?
Portage, michigan?
I don't know, but she's a hugefan of us and she is so pretty.
You're so pretty, kaylee.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Oh my God, no, it's right by Kalamazoo.
Okay, that's by me.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I was going to say Portage doesn't sound that far,
but anyway.
So thank you for giving us asuggestion, thank you for
telling me I'm pretty, butyou're really pretty, but anyway
, that's my other shout out Allright, let's go.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Anything else we need before we close up the shop for
the day.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Uh no, the most important thing that you can do
for us is to creep a real yardballs.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Goodbye, bye At the Irish shop, hooked in the
(49:30):
shadows At the Irish shop andhome with the oddballs At the
Irish shop.
The door's always open At theIrish shop.
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