March 27, 2025 • 55 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your curator Kara has a story for you dear deer oddballs
Something watches you from the edge of the forest. At first glance, it's just a deer—but look closer. Those legs bend wrong. Its eyes face forward like a predator's. And it's looking right at you.
The "Not Deer" phenomenon has been terrifying travelers on dark rural roads across America, from the Appalachian mountains to the forests of Oregon. These entities appear to be deer upon first glance, but something is fundamentally wrong—disproportionately long limbs, joints that bend in impossible directions, and movements that suggest something trying to imitate a deer without fully understanding how deer move.
What makes these encounters particularly haunting is the overwhelming sense of dread reported by witnesses before they even consciously register what's wrong. Military veterans, paranormal enthusiasts, and self-described skeptics all describe the same visceral reaction—a primal fear that something dangerous is watching them. Unlike normal deer that scatter at human presence, these creatures maintain unnervingly direct eye contact, sometimes rising to stand on two legs before making jerky, unnatural movements toward observers.
Refs:
- https://www.reddit.com/r/Appalachia/comments/est8f2/not_deer_stories/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/skinwalkers/comments/my4vi9/possible_skinwalkernot_deer_sighting/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/skinwalkers/comments/l8zpcs/skinwalker_not_deer_encounter_what_did_i_see/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
- https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Not_Deer
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not-deer
- https://www.cdc.gov/chronic-wasting/animals/index.html
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IDshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theID shop.
(00:29):
What's up, oddballs?
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the place where the bazaar is
always on sale and every weekwe're bringing you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What are we bringing you?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't know, my words just totally ran out.
We are bringing you creepy, odd, weird, strange, bizarre
stories from around the world.
This is what happens when meand my lovely curator here take
a week off from recording.
Lovely curator Kara, how theheck are you?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm doing great.
Now I wasn't.
You've been down bad, I've beenvery down bad.
You guys send the good vibes,the magic, the potions, the
whatever else.
Warm washcloths yeah, send itall.
I've just not been.
I've been going through a lotlately and yesterday I had
probably because of everythingI'm going through the worst
(01:22):
migraine.
It was so awful.
It was so awful.
It was so awful.
So if you're watching mevisually right now, it's because
I couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Give the girl a break .
Today she still looks great.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
But for two weeks you're going to see me looking
like this because we record twoepisodes.
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's all good.
You know what?
Everyone has a day where theydon't feel good, and you ain't
got to get dressed up foranybody.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
True that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But my shirt says creep it real.
It does it.
Creep it real, very nice.
Also, speaking of things thatare two weeks, since you've said
two weeks, you know what isthree weeks away, because math
is hard Our event.
So there might still be sometickets left if you last minute
thinkers want to grab them.
If we are sold out.
(02:06):
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investigate event.
It's gonna be amazing.
Okay, that's my pitch on thattoday cute.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Um, I have two things .
Do you want to start with thesad thing, or like the thing
that we should all do to makeourselves happy?
Every day, I feel like youalways end on sad things, so
let's start with the sad thing,or like the thing that we should
all do to make ourselves happyevery day, I feel like you
always end on sad things, solet's start with it michelle
tracking track number died andit is the most tragic thing ever
and I'm so heartbroken I likegrowing up before I realized
(02:38):
that I was not into women.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I was in love with her harriet the spy harriet the
spy, buffy gilmore girls likeshe was the one.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh, I have to admit I hated her and buffy for for
like the first.
Yeah, she is, but she was meantto be annoying yeah, yeah, no,
it's such a shame.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Though I heard it, it was like really really, really
sad.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
She had a liver transplant plan yeah and not
that long.
So if any of you want to evencry more about it, if you go to
Sarah Michelle Gellar'sInstagram and you see her
tribute, it is the.
She changed the words from Dawn.
I have goosebumps to Michelleand it's the exact scene, like
(03:20):
when she killed herself to saveDawn.
Yeah, Sarah, why would you doherself to save Dawn?
Yeah, sarah, why would you dothat to us?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Seriously, though, that's a sad one.
Rest in peace, for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So well, actually this is kind of weird because
it's like a little bit of asegue.
So my other thing was Ash fromMorbid, who also does the
rewatcher, which is a Buffy theVampire Slayer rewatcher.
The other week, or one episodeI was listening to, she said
that what she's been doing.
Zach, are you okay?
(03:51):
Zach just started coughingprofusely, are you okay?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I.
We sprayed really strong sagespray before we started this
episode and it's been likegetting to me.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I just looked up and you were dying.
Okay, anyway, what she's beendoing is she me.
I just looked up and you weredying.
Okay, anyway, what she's beendoing is she on her note app.
Every day she's been like kindof like a list and every day
she's been putting one goodthing that happened to her that
day.
Oh, that's what I do in myjournal, but like she keep.
But well, just fine, a journalis fine.
But she was like I purposelykeep it on my phone that way
when I'm out and about and I'mbummed or something's going on,
(04:23):
I can go back to that list and Ican look at it and like I think
that's something that we shouldall maybe try maybe I should
move that to my phone.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I do like that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I know I do too.
I haven't started yet because Iwanted to share with all you
guys and then I thought it wouldbe fun if our Patreons we could
all share, like one good thing,with each other in our little
patreon I like that maybe I'lladd a new group in there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That's like the like one good thing for the day,
maybe we could just share it inour patreon, yeah, okay I
finally pulled three rocks outof the tumblr that are now shiny
shit.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
How many weeks has this been?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
way too many uh, we're going on two full months
of trying to figure out how totumble rocks, but of the 20 that
have been tumbling, three ofthem are now shiny, so we're
trying the rest again.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, well, that made me think of my shiny teeth in
me, and I've spent two dayswatching Fairly Oddparents.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh God, okay, before it gets stuck in my head, you
know what we got to get thisthing opened.
Are you ready to open the shop?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, Do ready to open the shop?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
yeah, do you have a question for me.
I swear to god, if it is aboutfairly odd parents, I'm gonna
lose it what's your favoriteepisode?
Okay, anyway the, the videogame one where they go in the vr
game.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Okay oh see, mine would just be with anything with
chip skylar, because I love.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Can we stop bringing up chip sky I'm.
That song is in my head, it's'sin my head.
It's too late.
What's your question?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, my question is how many deer have you seen?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You do realize I lived out in the sticks.
Right, it has to be in thethousands.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay, so you're pretty confident with deer.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Okay, so are you like a deer expert?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean, I'm not like a zoologist, but I I feel like I
might know a little bit moreabout deer than people who've
seen 10.
Well, I don't really care howmany you've seen um, okay, so
why ask?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
because you made me ask you a question.
Okay, so we all know by now, ifyou've been listening for a
while.
We often touch on like theuncanny valley effect or like
you know when, if it's like ifyou're not familiar.
This is like when the relationbetween an object's degree of
resemblance to be like a humanright, but there's also like the
(06:41):
same kind of like uncannyeffect where it's like you see
something and you're like thatkind of looks like something
else, which.
Ok.
So basically you know what I'mtalking about.
It's just like you get theseodd vibes like something isn't
right with what you're lookingat.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, we're just like it's something in that reptile
brain of yours.
It just is like red flag yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
OK, so do you have any thoughts on what we're
getting into?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I do, but I shouldn't say the word.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, Okay, I know what you're thinking of.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay, so the not deer is described as a deer upon
first glance.
Glance not glass.
Kara, get it together.
However, after a short timeit's clear something isn't quite
right.
So have you heard of the notdeer?
I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Really, I've seen sort of some like not dogs,
maybe videos on.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
YouTube and TikTok, but wow, I'm surprised, OK cool.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I love new ones.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
All right.
So, like a lot of these things,there is very little to
actually go off of, but I'mgoing to give you what we got.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay.
If you see one after time youstart to kind of notice
unnatural properties, so likestrange features and disjointed
limbs.
Knot deers tend to have longerlimbs than deer and their chests
seem to like protrude outfarther.
So like if you were to just seeone, you would realistically
think it's a deer.
(08:08):
But then after a while you'rekind of like there's just
something not right with thatdeer Okay.
So if longer limbs isn't creepyenough, they seem to like be
double jointed or haveadditional joints in the wrong
places.
Oh, so, like think of how, likedeer joint, like their legs
(08:30):
joint, yeah, and then they'relike wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, I already feel like things that walk on
four legs.
Their elbow joints if they'restill called elbows are weird
anyway.
But yeah, if I saw one that waseven weirder, it would stick
out to me yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So one majorly defining attribute is that they
have eyes on the front of theirhead, and so animals that have
eyes placed on, like the side oftheir heads, or it's so that
they have like a wide vision tobe able to spot predators, and
having them in the front iseasily to track prey like with
better depth, and we know deersare prey, so their eyes should
(09:04):
be more on the side of theirhead.
If you're thinking of like whata deer looks like, not directly
in the front, do you get whatI'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, no, I totally get what you're talking about.
I know it's hard to Becauselike well, no we're.
I've never heard of, not deer,but I have heard of, like the
animal phenomenon where the eyesaren't in the right spot.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh, I'll see where this goes.
Maybe we just have looked it upwith different names.
Anyway, looking strange, isn'ttheir only mo?
Um, okay, so when I would goout in my 20s, some of my
friends and I had like a codeword for like the really drunk
girl trying to keep it togetherin her heels and we, like we all
know what I'm talking aboutlike they're just, they can't
walk, they're like stumbling,they're trying to keep up, and
we would just call them babydeers because they look like
(09:46):
stupid ass baby deers, so thinkof it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
We would call them dg for drunk girl oh, um.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So think of, though, a newborn baby deer trying to
walk, but in a full deer's body,okay I can picture it yeah,
they're said to have very roughmovements, kind of like that
clunky baby deer, which is weirdto see in a huge adult deer.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, Joints in the wrong place, eyes in the wrong
place and walking weirdlythrough the woods would be
enough to make me second guessthings.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, think of like Edgar moving in his meat suit
when he from the Men in Black,you know he's like, like he's
like trying to like.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
No, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yes, sugar water okay , so additionally, kind of like
what I said before, but theysaid they sometimes tend to bend
their legs opposite to howyou'd envision a deer, which is
so disgusting to me, yeah, couldyou imagine seeing it bend the
opposite way?
(10:50):
I don't know why that is sogross.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Just kind of gives me like the creatures from the
village.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh yeah, so staring blankly into the distance is
often noted as a behavior of anot deer.
So like not necessarily staringat you, but just like staring
straight into like nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I would freak out if I saw.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Is this not really just disturbing?
It's not the right word, butthat's just so unsettling.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Unsettling.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Cause, like I feel like if it was just staring off
and looked normal I'd be okaywith it, but just like weirdly
just staring off and lookednormal.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I'd be okay with it, but just like weirdly.
So the number one experiencethat you will have in the
company of a not dear is anoverwhelming feeling of dread
and unease makes sense yeah, andthen, like before you actually
spot it, you might feel likethat uneasy feeling, like that
you're being watched, okay, andif you, if you hear a not deer,
it's said to make a clickingsound.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
No see, this is getting worse.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So the creepiest thing to me is not that they
stand on their back legs, butthey walk jaggedly towards you
on them.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay.
So when I said I've seen notdogs, I've seen like a dog with
weird limbs, like it was running, like it was, and then all of a
sudden it went behind a treeand was standing up and like but
like they hop strangely weirdfucking on their back two legs I
don't know it's giving likepredator or something it's
giving run the fucking other way.
(12:21):
True.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And then seeing you does not bother them, they do
not give a shit.
I'm not surprised on that one,like they just don't care, they
just they'll stand right thereand then they'll still stare off
blankly into something else,like while you're just standing
there like or close to them,which is weird because you know,
deers usually scatter, I feellike sometimes they freeze, but
then they run.
They don't just like stay.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I have had one.
Stay right before it ran intomy car.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
RIP Bampy.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Literally more deer have hit me than I have hit them
so, jesus, you are an expert.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Um so there doesn't seem to be any direct lore
around the not deer other thanthat they original originated.
Originated in the appalachianmountains of course they did
what?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
what creepy monster does it?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I know, and they are one of the only cryptids not
characterized as an entirelyunknown creature, such as like
big, because they're kind of adeer, but they're a not deer, so
they're really characterized aslike a deer, yeah, so what are
your other thoughts on the notdeer deer?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
a couple of them, so let's hear it.
One I'm getting a little bit ofDogman vibe, with just the
shapeshifter of like it's takingon the form of this other
creature, but it's not quitedoing it right.
Yeah, it's like just weird.
And then our other is the termthat we don't say but flesh
pedestrian.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So, yeah, some people do correlate those two, but not
a lot, so I wasn't going to putthat in here because that needs
to be their own episode.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Oh yeah, but it's strange to me where it's like
there's and this is maybegetting ahead of myself Right,
but when we're looking at fleshpedestrians as a whole, I think
we're glomping a lot of thingstogether.
I think we're putting some ofthese the dogmen, the not deer
and all these other things andlike, because the true essence,
(14:25):
if you start to look into fleshpedestrians, compared to the
folklore version of them, arereally different.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, because I feel like every different, yeah, like
there's so many different.
Like you said, everybody kindof has a folklore around that
and I'm going to say it one timeIf you don't know what a flesh
pedestrian is, it is the wordyou're allowed to say versus
skinwalker, and we're not goingto say it again.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
True, but you know, it's just giving me some sort of
shapeshifter vibes Obviouslynot good vibes.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I think some people even kind of could
classify it or like in theanother thing I don't want to
say, but the wendy boys, awendigo version um, well, see,
that's another one that I don't,and I am not the knowledge
expert on this, but I wonder.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It makes me wonder what the true difference is
between the wendy boys and thepedestrians, or if we're talking
about the same thing through adifferent lens well, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I definitely want to do an episode on those two,
because I do think that thereare a lot of similarities but a
lot of differences, so we willdo that one day.
Perfect, um.
Okay, so those are yourthoughts and that is literally
all we have on the not dear yay,we're done, so we get to go
home early today.
Yes, perfect, we're dismissedum let me guess reddit stories
(15:42):
uh, you know it, baby, let's go.
Some of these are like you'relike, okay, yeah, that's
definitely what we're talkingabout.
Some of them you're like maybe,but either way, we got some
stories, boo, boo let's do it soI'm just gonna jump right on in
.
I lived in waynesboro.
Is va, what's va?
(16:05):
Virginia no one can see thatI'm literally doing a va with my
fingers she's doing like a psign, a town down.
Well, because it's okay, um,for about five years, less than
10 miles to the BRP Northentrance.
I don't know what that is, butokay.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm going to guess some sort of park, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Skyline Drive South entrance.
I used to take bike rides alongSD all the time and always kept
a year long membership.
Only in the day, though, justto frame the story, one night,
as I was having a particularlyhard time settling in for bed.
So I decided to start up mybike and ride up to the first
overlook on Skyline, only abouta mile inside the park.
(16:51):
It was about 11pm when I got upthere and, pitch black, I
killed the bike and gotimmediately uncomfortable,
because who the hell would dothat?
I mean, it's so dark.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
When I lived by the state park, man, I used to go
all hours.
Yeah, but you were probably ina car At Bald Mountain.
No, I would just hike from theback of the apartment complex.
You have issues?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm not a guy that gets spooked in the dark.
Truthfully, I prefer the dark.
In most situations.
You can see people before theysee you.
You are particularly invisible,unless someone is looking for
you, and I find the naturalprivacy comforting.
Not up there, though, it was athick, oppressive dark, worse
than anything I had experiencedoutside of a cave and worse than
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any moonless night in theAppalachian Trail.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I was going to say, though I wouldn't do it in
Appalachia, but is Virginia.
I guess it would still be onthe Appalachian Trail, wouldn't
it?
Yeah?
I would have Fuck with thatyeah, I guess if West Virginia
is straight on a motorcycle at11 pm in the dark.
Ok, given the location, no, Iwouldn't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
OK, I don't know what this means.
I immediately got hinked out.
Big time Hinked out Me either.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Okay, there's nothing up there besides wildlife.
I reassured myself internally.
I had my .44 mag revolver fromwhen I lived hiked in the
Pacific Northwest bear countryand all that jazz tucked into my
CCW holster, so I knew Idefinitely outmatched anything
that could come up there.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Anything living.
Right Well yeah, that's notliving, but normal living yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
He wrote two legged snakes included.
So I sat in the dark leaningagainst the bike for a while and
looking at the few lights Icould see in the valley below.
I managed about 10 minutesbefore I physically felt the
hair rise on my back, the backof my neck.
I only did 27 months in Iraq,but I remembered that precise
feeling someone was watching me,something bad was coming.
(18:53):
It was the same sensation Iwould get before IDF came in or
the shooting sound somewherenearby.
I'm no psychic or whatever, butit's a common thing among vets
with that with any time undertheir belt.
Ask him about it.
How'd you like this guy's story?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
His personality really shines through in his
writing.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I know it's kind of why I picked it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Like I could have guessed.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
He was a vet almost before that you can feel hateful
eyes on you.
The overlook was a sheer drop,or nearly so, so I wasn't
concerned about anything poppingup in that direction, but the
mountainside and thick, untamedwoods were behind me.
I started thinking about methedout dudes creeping in the
Appalachian Trail, bears and thelike.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's just so funny.
Okay, I love that we're freakedout about messed out guys
before bears, but you know, gooff the at is no stranger to
random violence still feelingcreeped out.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I took up a seat on the waist, the waist high stone
wall and marked the overlookledge facing the woods.
Again, I can't emphasize howdark it was, but grizz you might
say, that's him.
Um, why not turn on the bikeand use the lights?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
why not grizz?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
it'll at least help you.
Yeah, it'll at least help yousee what's close, true, but my
bike is loud, all caps and thelast thing I wanted was
attention Plus.
The light would just nightblinds me, if anything just out
of view and the noise wouldobscure the stealthy sounding
creeping going on.
So no thanks, I'll watch andlisten for a bit, which that is
really smart, because a lot ofpeople would turn that light on,
(20:32):
but then you really can'tactually see, and especially if
something is tracking you.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
you just gave up your position.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Exactly.
I sat in the dark for another10 minutes or so, anxiety
getting worse and worse.
I heard a few things, butnothing out of the ordinary for
a night in the woods I decidedto head on home, since that
feeling wasn't going away.
Like I said, I had a big boreon me, so anything playing games
would be for a powerfulsurprise if the games got stupid
.
Hopping onto my Suzuki, Istarted it up and rode off
towards the gate.
Now, anyone who lives in thecountry and rides bikes knows
(21:07):
the wildlife is crazy active onthe roads that aren't traveled
on, often at night.
Being nighttime and technicallyclosed, I had to ride around
the gate to get in.
There were no other vehicles onthe road at all.
I hadn't seen a single otherperson since leaving Waynesboro
proper.
The speed limit was about 30,but I clipped along at a measly
15 miles to keep my eye on thedeer and the wildlife.
(21:29):
It wouldn't do me any good tofuck myself up in a rack, only
to lay there all night untilsomeone happened to cross me in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Especially if you're hearing weird shit.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Right Then I saw it.
Oh no, the term of almost deeris really fitting Not, but quite
accurate.
It was like a deer that someonewho had never seen a deer drew
but only after someone elsedescribed it to them.
It stood up on the left side ofthe road, mountainside, and I
(22:00):
saw the eyes long before theheadlight shone it fully.
It was big, easily the biggestdeer I've ever seen, and the
lack of any horns that time ofthe year suggested it was a doe.
The head was almost bovine inshape but fixed to a deer's
frame.
The legs seemed too long inproportion to the body Think
(22:20):
maned wolf proportions and thebody is extremely barrel chested
.
I've always been creeped out bymale formed wildlife, and this
was no exception.
Unfortunately, I had to get itto move or the risk of passing
within a few feet of it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh, it was in front of the gate.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, oh, it was on the mountainside, but like yeah,
okay, yeah.
Oh, it was on the mountainside.
But like yeah, okay, yeah, Iwas not traveling another 30
plus miles up the road in theother direction to leave through
another gate in the middle ofthe night.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Not when it already knows where you are.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Right and I wasn't getting close to it.
Dangers of it spooking andrunning into the side of my
cruiser.
Aside, I didn't want to getnear it at all, stopping and
putting my feet down about 30,it just says 30 away from it.
I tried to frighten it away.
I flashed my beams down low andback high nothing.
I revved my engine nothing.
I honked considerably,considerably horn nada, resting
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the bike in the kickstand.
I let it idle and hopped off.
I yelled at the thing and itstill didn't budge.
So I started the side of theroad to grab something to toss
near it, near the deer thing,hoping it would spook it away.
As soon as I crossed into theother lane it rose up onto its
hind legs.
I froze, putting my hand on mygun.
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I wasn't about to get chargedby any angry, confused,
malformed doe.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh, you see now Grizz has taken more time than I
would have.
I would be probably firing atthis point.
I'd be screaming.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
It took two jerky, unnatural steps towards the
center of the lane on two legsand froze again staring directly
at me, at me.
It suddenly shook its headwildly like a dog with a toy,
took another short step, thenhopped on two legs several times
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until it disappeared into thedarkness on the right side of
the road.
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
like that is terrifying in and of itself.
Alone, but I was alone.
But if you're out in the woodsalone, right like that is now a
hundred times worse.
I like if you don't haveanybody, you're just no and you
don't know where it's gone intothe woods.
Now I'm I'm peeling out ofthere yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So I stepped back onto my bike, mounted it, kicked
the kickstand and turned thelights toward the side of the
road.
On that side there was a sheerdrop off, like 75 to 80 compared
to the roadway, and the fuckerything's head was just peeking
over the edge, still looking atme.
The drop was about 40 to 50.
So there's no way it wasstanding at the base of the
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mountainside.
I cracked the throttle and beatthe hell out of their road.
Wildlife be damned.
I never went back up theskyline drive at night alone
after that.
One time was enough.
There are things we don't grokout there.
What does that mean?
Whatever, this guy's got someslang or things that just visit
for a while.
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Whatever it was, it wasn't fromaround these here parts in Hill
Talk.
It can go back to wherever itcame from and stay there.
And then he added a little editand it says Grizz is my road
name, as used above.
This was originally posted tomy social media.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I love this guy and I really wish I could just like
see a picture of him, becausethe mental image I have of him
is freaking amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He didn't have a picture on his thing, but his
name name on reddit is ampersandunderscore dot, c, z, dot.
C's okay, so thanks, chris.
Anyway, isn't that terrifyingas hell?
Why did it jerk?
And then, hop.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's almost like it's um okay, did you ever watch
harry potter?
The first one, but the wholething where the what's the?
The polyjuice potion that'llallow them to like turn into
somebody else.
And hermione got it all messedup and got a cat hair instead of
the girl's hair and it was justlike the way she was kind of
like moving around, like you'rejerking in a body that doesn't
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belong to you.
That's why I'm still thinkingshapeshifter on this, because
it's like Well, that's why Isaid Edgar from Men in Black,
because he's like.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
All right, moving along you got another.
Oh, I got a couple.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
All right.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
All right.
So I'm very interested inparanormal things.
I get excited and run towardsthe weird noise.
Last winter I was driving on myres to pick my father up at
work.
It was around 10 PM or so in avery dark night.
My headlights started lightingup the back legs of a deer near
the road and I started to break,expecting it to run across the
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road just like you do.
Well, I got closer and the backlegs of the deer were upright,
like it only had two legs.
As I slowly passed, there wasnothing up top, just dark shadow
.
The legs were moving, but therewas nothing else there.
It didn't scare me, but it mademe feel wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I couldn't think of literally there was nothing else
there.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Nothing else there, it was just legs I yeah, I
couldn't think of any other wayto describe it.
Normally I would burst in thedoor and tell everyone how cool,
the cool shit that I just saw,but this just felt different.
Dread and wrong were the twowords I used to describe the
feeling.
I felt like I shouldn't bethere and I was in the wrong
place.
It disturbed me.
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It took me over a month to tellanyone because it just made me
feel bad and like like I shouldkeep it to myself.
I haven't even asked anyoneelse on the res about it because
I just felt like I shouldn'tfor some reason and I can't
articulate.
I've told a few family membersand my best friend and now here
because I can't believe this wasalmost the exact same
experience, because this wasalso.
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This was off of a comment of astory, did this one give a
location so this is.
This is she says next, this wason the and I do not want to
butcher this, but it's theh-a-u-d-e-n-o-s-a-u-n-e-e
hadusani reservation.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I didn't look up where that was that is not a
tribe I've heard of before, so Ican't help you out there.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, and I'm unaware of any stories describing
anything like this, butadmittedly my knowledge is
limited in this area.
First off, what the hell Canyou imagine if you only saw the
bottom part of a deer standingup on its legs?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, no, so was the rest of it shrouded, or was it?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, she just thought it was like a shadow,
Like there was nothing.
It was just like the bottompart of a deer standing upward
and then you couldn't seeanything else.
So maybe it was liketransitioning, you know, like
like the upper part didn't formyet.
I have a new theory, you know,like like the upper part didn't
form yet I have a new theory, ok, ok.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I looked up this reservation and it's basically
like OK, so the maps that arecoming up literally put like
Lake Ontario and Lake Erie thewrong way.
So these are really old maps,ok, but they're just north of
New York and Virginia is southof New York.
I bet you all thesemotherfuckers came from Plum
Island.
Oh my God, probably If youdon't know Plum Island, we did a
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whole episode on that, butthat's where monsters are made,
literally.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, um, so that story was from Gadio Fantastico,
but I thought that was a quicklittle weird one.
Yeah, so I'm it's like okay.
To me it's like she saw itbefore it was fully formed, like
the upper half was still likeforming.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Let me ask you this which one would be more
unsettling to you the back legsor that whole thing that Grizz
saw?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think the back legs only because the full thing I
think you could pass off as likea rabid deer or something.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
See, I'm so the opposite.
The legs, I'd be like okay, Ijust missed the rest of it.
It was shrouded in darkness,that's fine, but if this like
barrel chested bovine headedthing, well I know, I don't know
.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
They're both creepy.
Yeah, okay, all right.
I believe I saw what a lot ofpeople call a not deer last fall
.
I figured this is a good placeas any to post this, since I see
the term not deer tied withflesh pedestrians and other
similar creatures pretty often.
There isn't a lot to this story, but it has stuck with me and
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every time I think back on it Ifeel really uneasy.
I live in Colorado, in amountain town south of Denver.
The road I live off of is awinding back road through a
valley.
One side of the road is rightagainst a rock steep, like a
wall in some places and moresloping in others, and the other
side kind of drops off into thevalley.
Also might be worth noting thatthe mountain on the other side
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of the valley is a huge burnsite with nothing but skeleton
trees, got it.
I've heard a couple of storiesthat take place near the burn
site with nothing but skeletontrees, got it.
I've heard a couple of storiesthat take place near the burn
site, so maybe there's somecorrelation.
This was probably around lateAugust, early September.
I was driving home late,probably around 1am.
I know the road and all thecurves pretty well, so I was
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going a pretty decent speed andprobably wasn't being as
actively aware of mysurroundings as I should have
been, especially since deer andelk are pretty common here.
Anyway, I was coming up on thelast curve before my street and
I saw a deer standing at theside of the road and on the side
with the rock face.
The deer was standingcompletely still facing the rock
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wall.
That in itself doesn't soundtoo strange, I know, but there
was just something unnatural inits stillness and the fact that
it was staring straight into therock, nowhere it could go, was
odd.
But what stuck with me was thefeeling I immediately got upon
seeing it Just an ungodly pit inmy stomach.
It felt like my heart stopped.
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And this wasn't the oh shit,the deer on the side of the road
surprised me kind of stomachpit.
This was an absolute feeling ofdread.
It also seemed like there wassomething just off about the
deer.
For the life of me I can'tpicture in my head or pinpoint
what it was, but somethingproportion wise was wrong, like
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maybe its legs were a little toolong or its torso was stretched
out.
I'm not sure I didn't have timeto really react other than just
slow down a bit and just keepdriving.
As I rounded the curve Iliterally could not take my eyes
off the rear view mirror andthe thing didn't move at all.
Oh, that's so weird, I know.
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Not a flinch, nothing, juststone still.
Even after I was behind thecurve and couldn't see it
anymore, I still couldn't peelmy eyes off the rear view.
I pulled in the garage and hitthe garage door closer before I
even parked, and when I got outof the car I couldn't stop
myself from running up thestairs.
I couldn't shake the feeling ofdread, like I was in danger.
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I'm not by any meanssuperstitious.
I like stories about cryptidsand I think they're super
interesting, but I've neverreally believed them.
But since that night, asshort-lived as the encounter was
, if there is one supernaturalthing, I believe it was that
creature.
I know in my gut it was notjust a deer.
It's also worth noting thatafter I told my visiting friend
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about the experience, sheadmitted that the year before,
when she was visiting for thefirst time, she felt a similar
dread pit in her stomach as wewere approached at that same
spot.
It seems like the not deer ispretty new and there aren't a
whole lot of stories andsightings of them, but from what
I read, I am led to believethat this is exactly what I saw
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that night.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Okay.
So there's a couple interestingthings happening.
The first one is, I think it'simportant to really note we now
have a lover of the paranormal,a skeptical and a vet who are
all giving very similar stories.
So I don't think you could getthree different perspectives
really right.
Just based on the descriptionswe have from these people to me
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gives evidence that somethingweird is happening here.
And what I'm kind of gettingstuck on is like the dread,
right.
So somebody who believes in theparanormal and runs towards it
and somebody who doesn't believebut might be easily freaked out
, they're they're not going tohave dread over the same things,
and somebody who's been inactive war is not going to have
dread.
So I'm kind of going back tothe shape shift around this a
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little bit, and here's why right, if, like, our eyes and mind
can only take in the visiblespectrum of light, are they
seeing or perceiving somethingelse that's happening underneath
where, like, their brain isn'tputting the image together but
something is like they're seeingit for what it really is
somehow, or perceiving somethingthat is just with dread.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I don't know, it's so weird.
I do have a couple more so wecan read and then we can debrief
, but I don't get their purpose.
That's the thing I don't getabout them.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I think they're disguises.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But like, what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Well, I think they're stopping it whenever they're
being seen.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, I guess.
Okay, All right, Okay, Allright, Okay.
So I'll start off by mentioningI live in Oregon Okay, Not
quite a rural town, but our townis small and only about a 10
minute drive to what you wouldactually consider a rural town
or area.
Everyone's heard about thecryptids and lore of Oregon
woods.
I hate these woods.
They're just vast andterrifying but at the same time
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tempting and beckoning.
Almost I totally get that aboutwoods.
I stay out of the woods.
I don't hunt or fish and Imight go hiking every once a
couple years with friends, but Imay get a point to not go where
I don't feel safe.
I kind of brushed off all thestories about the woods here
until I had my own experience ofmy own and I'm ready to share
what I saw that night.
My friend and I worked thegraveyard shift at a local
bakery and we always carpool.
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She picks me up around 1130.
The bakery itself is in a morerural area, but the main road in
town takes us almost all theway out there.
It's a well-lit road until youget slightly out of town and
since it's the main road throughtown, even at night they're
usually passing cars or peoplewalking For my house it takes
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about 10 minutes to get to workon this road.
For about three months thisroad was being repaved.
We'd have to stop literallyright before the turn into the
bakery and wait for theconstruction crew to finish
whatever project they were doing.
After two nights of beingstopped right outside of our
work for over an hour, thatwould be so fucking infuriating.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I would lose my absolute mind.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I feel like at this point I would lose my mind if I
had to drive to a job.
Yeah, you're ass.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And the estimated date for construction being done
was three months out, wedecided to start taking the back
roads to work.
The back way to work was on theopposite side of town of this
main road.
It took us out of town, aroundthe outskirts of town and
finally to the bakery for atotal of about 30 minutes travel
instead of 10.
The back road was completelysurrounded by heavy woods.
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There was a private drive to ahouse every five miles or so.
No street lights, no passingcars, no pedestrians.
The road was also extremelycurvy, just consistent twists
and turns as expected.
We see a lot of deer and theoccasional possum squirrel, etc.
This particular night westarted our journey through the
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back roads and, as we had allbeen, as we had been all week,
we got about 10 miles throughand my friend went around this
bend and then suddenly slammedon her brakes.
I was on my phone so I wasn'tlooking up.
When I saw it first Don't textand drive.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
He wasn't looking up when I saw it first.
Don't text and drive.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
He wasn't driving.
Oh okay, Never mind.
That's why his friend slammedon the brakes.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh, I don't know why, For some reason I thought they
were in the car behind him.
But yeah, you already saidcarpool.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, but still don't text and drive.
I look up and right in thefront of the car is a gigantic
buck.
I'm talking huge, not moosesize, but definitely one of the
largest bucks I've ever seen.
He was staring directly at usthrough the windshield.
We were just kind of frozen forthe moment, for some reason.
We both looked down at the feetof the deer and between its
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front feet was a dead raccoon.
It was clearly a raccoon.
It was clearly a raccoon.
It killed a raccoon.
But listen, its face waspointed towards us, ringlets on
its tail, basically astereotypical raccoon.
Except this thing was huge.
Now, the buck was large, butlarge bucks aren't unheard of.
This raccoon was the size of ahuge dog, the size of a mastiff.
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We looked back up at the deerand it was still standing
staring right at us like it wasmaking eye contact with with us
both.
My friend flashes her highbeans and honks the horn at the
at this, hoping to scare it off.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
It doesn't run which, like when animals don't break
eye contact, that's already asign of aggression.
So I'm freaking out and a deer.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Um, without breaking eye contact with us, it starts
to walk toward the car slowly.
We both are freaked out and atthis point my friend throws the
car in reverse, backs up andswerves around the deer the
entire time.
It moves its head to keep eyecontact as we back up, pull to
the side and drive away.
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So it's literally still tryingto keep eye contact.
That's so fucking creepy.
I don't like it.
Look back behind us and as thisthing is just standing in the
road staring at us as we driveaway, we finally run around the
curve and I lost sight of it.
But until then it never stoppedstaring right at us.
We talk about this a lot, buthow weird it was.
I don't think deer.
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I didn't think deer ate meat.
I'm not a deer expert, I justassumed that they were
herbivores.
So the standing over a deadraccoon was the most unsettling
part, even over the consistenteye contact.
Luckily we aren't dumb enoughto get out of the car, but I
always wonder what would havehappened if we did.
Since then I've been more awareof the lore around here.
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I've heard unsettling noisesand screams coming from the
woods.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
This has to be Appalachia too.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
But this was the only Oregon.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh okay, usually screams from the woods.
Yeah, but this was the onlyOregon.
Oh okay, you usually screamfrom the woods?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, actual encounter I think I've had I am.
Am I thinking too much intothis or is this a little weird
to anyone else?
There's so many legends andstories of cryptids around here,
but I'm sure you've all readabout that fucked up stuff that
happens at Crater Lake.
Just thought this was.
This might be an interestingencounter for someone to hear.
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No one else really believes us,but it's hard to believe
something you didn't see withyour own eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I literally just added Crater Lake to my list by
the way.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, I was going to say you should, but what I was
going to say is I didn't addthis in here.
They were commenting with otherRedditors and the thing that
they kept saying was that theycouldn't get over how big this
raccoon was.
Like they were, like you, justdon't understand.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
So was the raccoon playing dead, and I don't know.
I feel like these are disguises.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I don't think it was a real raccoon, yeah
that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, oh, I get what you mean.
Like the fake raccoon wasplaying dead.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Right saying yeah, yeah, oh, I get what you mean.
Like the wreck, the fake recordwas playing dead.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Right, it's like oh play dead somebody's coming,
yeah, and like there wasn't likeblood or anything.
It didn't look like it waseating it, it was just like
fakely dead I don't like thesethings all right, I got one more
, one more, just one more okaylisten, there wasn't a lot of
like you know stuff to go off,but there was a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
No, that was the surprise of like one.
No, I know, but there's a lotof stories I brought you a lot
of stories, because there reallywasn't anything else?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
okay, I've had an experience with a not deer in
the northern region of theappalachian area appalachia yay
I lived at the edge of the greatuh, great north Woods and a
friend and I decided to gocamping in a field out in the
woods a little ways off thetrail that we used to ride my
horses on all the time.
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It's about six to seven milesout into the woods, so it's a
bit of a trek if you're on foot.
Anyway, we had both grown up inthe woods and knew how to be
safe in regards to wildlife andbuilding a fire safely, all the
good stuff.
We set up camp, sat by the firefor a bit and then go to sleep
in our tent.
I don't know how much time hadpassed, but I remember waking up
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in a cold sweat to the sound ofsomething walking in the tall
grass around the tent the superdistinct swish, swish, swish,
swish sound, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Is it like okay when they're saying swish and you
might not know this?
Is it like the swish of pantsthat they're hearing, or just
the grass?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I think it's just the grass.
Okay, I know what you'retalking about, though.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Either way, Because, like if it sounded human and
then looks like a deer, I don'tknow, I'm even oh.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I would fucking kill myself.
Oh, like a deer, I don't know,I'm even.
Oh, I would fucking kill myself.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Oh my god, what the fuck would you do if you saw
that?
I don't know.
That's why I'm asking Iespecially you're in a tent.
There's nothing like morevulnerable than realizing
there's just.
I know, and you're always doingthat by yourself.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Okay, so it's nearly pitch black in the tent, but I'm
able to look over and see thatmy friend is already awake and
she looks terrified.
The feeling of sitting in atent and listening to the
movement outside wasindescribable.
It's the same oppressive, rawfear you have as a little kid
when you're hiding under yourblankets from the monster in
your closet, felt like beingstalked by a predator, that
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intensely primal feeling thatmakes you want to make your
heart stop beating so damn loudbecause it might hear you.
I've never felt anything likethis before or since I've.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
You can feel that in a car right, but you at least
have sheet metal between you andwhatever the threat is this
like putting it exactly likethey said.
Where it's that?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
like feeling and pulling the blankets up, like
you just want to disappearbecause that's your, your only
choices to face it or disappearwe stayed up all night listening
and waiting, and the sounds ofthe thing in the grass never
stopped until the sun started tocome up.
Then it just stopped suddenly,like someone flipped a switch.
We waited until it was fullydaylight before we went, before
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we left the tent or were evenbrave enough to make any noise.
Outside, there was thisperfectly round circle of hoof
prints in the grass surroundingthe tent, like a perfect circle
and it didn't look like therewas a path that led to or from
the circle like tracks.
It's so eerie because some ofthe hoof prints were different
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sizes it didn't make any sense.
Needless to say, we booked itout of there.
I dropped out of the contact.
I dropped out of contact withthat friend years ago, but I've
never been camping in the woodsout here since then, and
whenever I ride my horses alongthat section of the trail, they
always act super jittery andspooky once they get near that
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field.
No matter how many times I'veridden past, it Gives me chills
to this day.
I don't know for sure if it wasa not deer, but from what I've
learned of other people'sfeelings when they encounter
them, yeah, it would make sensethat one is giving me a little
bit of the dog man vibe.
Yeah, I don't know if that's notdeer, but I had to add it in
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here because it was fucking well.
I mean, if it's hooves.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I well, yeah, it's just still this one's just so
unsettling all right.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
So how do we feel about the not deer?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I feel like I would like to not ever see one in my
life.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
All right.
So because we all need somesort of rationale besides me,
because I believe in this, I amgoing to give you a few ways
that people have explained itaway.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I'll take it.
I'll take some explanations.
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Birth defects?
Yeah, I mean.
Okay, fine, so the deers havebirth defects, so they function
strange, or I like this one.
The ones seeing the deer aresleep deprived or have just been
the result of isolation for toolong.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Oh yeah, that makes total sense when half these
people are literally caringabout their normal lives before
they go into the woods.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
it's not like they've been in there and the most,
probably, I would say, popularone, or the one that I guess
probably would make maybe themost sense, other than that this
is just a cryptid um chronicwasting disease, so cwd, so also
known as zombie deer syndromewhich is.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
You beat me to that, because it's one of the few
things I know about deer fromwhen I worked in the state parks
.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, I knew you'd probably know this.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I remember we had one that was just standing in about
two foot of water at the GreatLake and that's what I've been
thinking of the whole time.
They get really weird.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
But with chronic wasting disease you don't you'll
see some physical abnormalityof mostly looking like it's like
, you know, like an animalthat's really old.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It gets like really bony and yeah, yeah, but it's
not like barrel chested too longof limbs.
Yeah, it doesn't and it doesn'tlook, it doesn't fit and shit
yeah, so well, just to give allof our listeners, whatever uh,
according to the cdcgov, cwd canaffect uh farmed and free-range
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deer and elk in all ages, itcan take months to years for the
infected animal to showsymptoms and these symptoms
could be kind of like you weresaying drastic weight loss,
called wasting, stumbling orlack of coordination, drooling
appearing out of it, excessivethirst or peeing, drooping ears,
(47:51):
lack of fear of people.
Okay, so it's considered a typeof prion disease.
So these diseases occur whenproteins normally in the body
misfold, causing symptoms thateventually result in death.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
affects many species we could do a whole episode on
prions, because that shit isabsolutely terrifying yeah, it
sounds creepy, uh, and it mostlyaffects species of animals with
hooves.
Here's the thing, though I'veseen deer with cwd this is what
I'm saying.
I don't think it doesn't thiscould be your logical, it could
be, but like you can, just youlook at that and you go that's a
(48:27):
sick deer.
Not like, that's a not rightdeer yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I I'm
.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
So I'm totally with you.
Um, and basically this diseasescan just be spread through
blood, urine, feces, all of thethings, and once they get sick,
the disease moves to its brainand spine and eventually kills
the animal.
So that is why it is kind oflike the most likely reason.
It doesn't work for me, but itdoesn't work.
But that is the odd, not surewhat they actually do, not deer.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I almost said I like it, but I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
I just don't get like okay, if they're like a
shapeshifter or something,that's fine, I can get down on
that because that makes sense tome, especially with that large
raccoon, but like, what's theirpurpose?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I don't know, do they have one?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
do?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
they just like live and they just like don't have a
purpose and like, just whenpeople start to observe them,
they're like oh, act like a deerand stop doing it yeah, but
what?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
what do you think they're doing?
This is what kept reallyfucking messing with me, because
I thought that I really thoughtthat I was like are they some?
sort of like nowhere alien,though that like exactly it kind
of gives alien vibe that's whyI couldn't, I couldn't figure it
out, because I'm like, like youjust said, they're in the
middle of nowhere, they're notjust like randomly usually where
people are.
So then I was like like okay,what the fuck are they doing?
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But even like that one story,like you don't really find a lot
about them.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Maybe if this is less shapeshifter, more some sort of
like ancient spirit sort ofthing, I mean, I feel like that.
I don't know, I don't know onthis one.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
That's kind of what I was thinking.
It was maybe like a spirit,like an ancient spirit,
something like that.
I was thinking maybe it waslike a watcher type.
Yeah, but why are you so?
Speaker 1 (50:07):
weird.
It kind of I can't.
I can't remember what episodeit was, but where was the
episode we were talking aboutwith the two girls camping in
the backyard and that deer came?
The deer horse thing came andthen it dropped the ring.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I don't know why I kept thinking that I know I did
that episode.
I can't remember what the themewas, though.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Oh, it was moon.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
That was moons.
Yes, yes it was full moon.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
You know, I don't know, but I think it's funny and
it's just weird.
This is actually just acomplete side note, but I think
it's hilarious Believing theBizarre.
Their Patreon tiers.
One of their tiers is calledthe not tier.
I love it or not?
Yeah, not deer, not somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Anyway, Now that you left us with the really dark one
this time, but I could leaveyou with a fun, deer fact to
lighten everything up and getout of the creepiness.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
It's probably not going to light us up, is it?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Well, it depends on what you mean by light up.
So did you know that the reasonthere are so many deer car
collisions by highways, it'sbecause many, many deer are
addicted to nicotine, becausethey've been feeding off of
cigarette butts thrown out carwindows for so long.
So the reason why a lot ofdeers hang out next to the
highway and end up getting hitby cars is because they're
looking for their next fix.
That is so sad, it is very sadsad I thought you were gonna
lighten the mood, but it's alsokind of funny fucking addicts.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Because we did that, we're ruining the whole entire
world okay, well, way to take mylight thing ground my wall is
black it is.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
That's new, like your heart.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Okay, let's wrap this up.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
I'm perfect um well, good job, though I am thoroughly
terrified, and we'll thinkabout these next time I go out
in the woods every time youdrive home now and you're gonna
be freaking out about seeing adeer because you're gonna think
it's a not deer okay, so emojisfor this one, I don't know if
they're whatever thing you canfind close to a deer and then
like the little, like you know,know the no sign, the circle
(52:04):
with a little line through.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Oh yeah, Not deer Got it.
That's a good perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
All right.
What else are these people dobefore we let them go back to
their normal lives and kick themout of the shop and close it up
for the day?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Just love us.
We've gotten a lot of newsubscribers on Instagram
Subscribers, followers.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Come on, you elder millennial.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Followers on Instagram, so I appreciate you
guys.
If you're now here listening,hi, hope you like this episode.
If you're not new here, stillleave us emojis and send us some
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Join our Patreon.
We do some weirdly kooky, weirdthings on there.
I don't fucking know.
You just get more of us and youactually get to see our faces.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
But that's really about it, I love and appreciate
you.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
We still need some write-ins and call-ins, thank
you.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, we do have some of those.
We would need some more.
Yeah, that's really all I havefor you.
Thank you, appreciate you, loveyou, but the most important
thing that you can do for us isto creep a real yard balls
goodbye.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I'm home with the dogman At the Irish shop, hooked
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in the shadows At the Irishshop, and home with the oddballs
At the Irish shop.
The door's always open At theIrish shop.
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IDshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theID shop.
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What's up, oddballs?
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the place where the bazaar is
always on sale and every weekwe're bringing you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What are we bringing you?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't know, my words just totally ran out.
We are bringing you creepy, odd, weird, strange, bizarre
stories from around the world.
This is what happens when meand my lovely curator here take
a week off from recording.
Lovely curator Kara, how theheck are you?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm doing great.
Now I wasn't.
You've been down bad, I've beenvery down bad.
You guys send the good vibes,the magic, the potions, the
whatever else.
Warm washcloths yeah, send itall.
I've just not been.
I've been going through a lotlately and yesterday I had
probably because of everythingI'm going through the worst
(01:22):
migraine.
It was so awful.
It was so awful.
It was so awful.
So if you're watching mevisually right now, it's because
I couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Give the girl a break .
Today she still looks great.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
But for two weeks you're going to see me looking
like this because we record twoepisodes.
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's all good.
You know what?
Everyone has a day where theydon't feel good, and you ain't
got to get dressed up foranybody.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
True that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But my shirt says creep it real.
It does it.
Creep it real, very nice.
Also, speaking of things thatare two weeks, since you've said
two weeks, you know what isthree weeks away, because math
is hard Our event.
So there might still be sometickets left if you last minute
thinkers want to grab them.
If we are sold out.
(02:06):
I am so sorry, but we're soexcited for the loes, build and
investigate event.
It's gonna be amazing.
Okay, that's my pitch on thattoday cute.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Um, I have two things .
Do you want to start with thesad thing, or like the thing
that we should all do to makeourselves happy?
Every day, I feel like youalways end on sad things, so
let's start with the sad thing,or like the thing that we should
all do to make ourselves happyevery day, I feel like you
always end on sad things, solet's start with it michelle
tracking track number died andit is the most tragic thing ever
and I'm so heartbroken I likegrowing up before I realized
(02:38):
that I was not into women.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I was in love with her harriet the spy harriet the
spy, buffy gilmore girls likeshe was the one.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh, I have to admit I hated her and buffy for for
like the first.
Yeah, she is, but she was meantto be annoying yeah, yeah, no,
it's such a shame.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Though I heard it, it was like really really, really
sad.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
She had a liver transplant plan yeah and not
that long.
So if any of you want to evencry more about it, if you go to
Sarah Michelle Gellar'sInstagram and you see her
tribute, it is the.
She changed the words from Dawn.
I have goosebumps to Michelleand it's the exact scene, like
(03:20):
when she killed herself to saveDawn.
Yeah, Sarah, why would you doherself to save Dawn?
Yeah, sarah, why would you dothat to us?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Seriously, though, that's a sad one.
Rest in peace, for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So well, actually this is kind of weird because
it's like a little bit of asegue.
So my other thing was Ash fromMorbid, who also does the
rewatcher, which is a Buffy theVampire Slayer rewatcher.
The other week, or one episodeI was listening to, she said
that what she's been doing.
Zach, are you okay?
(03:51):
Zach just started coughingprofusely, are you okay?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I.
We sprayed really strong sagespray before we started this
episode and it's been likegetting to me.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I just looked up and you were dying.
Okay, anyway, what she's beendoing is she me.
I just looked up and you weredying.
Okay, anyway, what she's beendoing is she on her note app.
Every day she's been like kindof like a list and every day
she's been putting one goodthing that happened to her that
day.
Oh, that's what I do in myjournal, but like she keep.
But well, just fine, a journalis fine.
But she was like I purposelykeep it on my phone that way
when I'm out and about and I'mbummed or something's going on,
(04:23):
I can go back to that list and Ican look at it and like I think
that's something that we shouldall maybe try maybe I should
move that to my phone.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I do like that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I know I do too.
I haven't started yet because Iwanted to share with all you
guys and then I thought it wouldbe fun if our Patreons we could
all share, like one good thing,with each other in our little
patreon I like that maybe I'lladd a new group in there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That's like the like one good thing for the day,
maybe we could just share it inour patreon, yeah, okay I
finally pulled three rocks outof the tumblr that are now shiny
shit.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
How many weeks has this been?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
way too many uh, we're going on two full months
of trying to figure out how totumble rocks, but of the 20 that
have been tumbling, three ofthem are now shiny, so we're
trying the rest again.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, well, that made me think of my shiny teeth in
me, and I've spent two dayswatching Fairly Oddparents.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh God, okay, before it gets stuck in my head, you
know what we got to get thisthing opened.
Are you ready to open the shop?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, Do ready to open the shop?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
yeah, do you have a question for me.
I swear to god, if it is aboutfairly odd parents, I'm gonna
lose it what's your favoriteepisode?
Okay, anyway the, the videogame one where they go in the vr
game.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Okay oh see, mine would just be with anything with
chip skylar, because I love.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Can we stop bringing up chip sky I'm.
That song is in my head, it's'sin my head.
It's too late.
What's your question?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, my question is how many deer have you seen?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You do realize I lived out in the sticks.
Right, it has to be in thethousands.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay, so you're pretty confident with deer.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Okay, so are you like a deer expert?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean, I'm not like a zoologist, but I I feel like I
might know a little bit moreabout deer than people who've
seen 10.
Well, I don't really care howmany you've seen um, okay, so
why ask?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
because you made me ask you a question.
Okay, so we all know by now, ifyou've been listening for a
while.
We often touch on like theuncanny valley effect or like
you know when, if it's like ifyou're not familiar.
This is like when the relationbetween an object's degree of
resemblance to be like a humanright, but there's also like the
(06:41):
same kind of like uncannyeffect where it's like you see
something and you're like thatkind of looks like something
else, which.
Ok.
So basically you know what I'mtalking about.
It's just like you get theseodd vibes like something isn't
right with what you're lookingat.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, we're just like it's something in that reptile
brain of yours.
It just is like red flag yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
OK, so do you have any thoughts on what we're
getting into?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I do, but I shouldn't say the word.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, Okay, I know what you're thinking of.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay, so the not deer is described as a deer upon
first glance.
Glance not glass.
Kara, get it together.
However, after a short timeit's clear something isn't quite
right.
So have you heard of the notdeer?
I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Really, I've seen sort of some like not dogs,
maybe videos on.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
YouTube and TikTok, but wow, I'm surprised, OK cool.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I love new ones.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
All right.
So, like a lot of these things,there is very little to
actually go off of, but I'mgoing to give you what we got.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay.
If you see one after time youstart to kind of notice
unnatural properties, so likestrange features and disjointed
limbs.
Knot deers tend to have longerlimbs than deer and their chests
seem to like protrude outfarther.
So like if you were to just seeone, you would realistically
think it's a deer.
(08:08):
But then after a while you'rekind of like there's just
something not right with thatdeer Okay.
So if longer limbs isn't creepyenough, they seem to like be
double jointed or haveadditional joints in the wrong
places.
Oh, so, like think of how, likedeer joint, like their legs
(08:30):
joint, yeah, and then they'relike wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, I already feel like things that walk on
four legs.
Their elbow joints if they'restill called elbows are weird
anyway.
But yeah, if I saw one that waseven weirder, it would stick
out to me yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So one majorly defining attribute is that they
have eyes on the front of theirhead, and so animals that have
eyes placed on, like the side oftheir heads, or it's so that
they have like a wide vision tobe able to spot predators, and
having them in the front iseasily to track prey like with
better depth, and we know deersare prey, so their eyes should
(09:04):
be more on the side of theirhead.
If you're thinking of like whata deer looks like, not directly
in the front, do you get whatI'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, no, I totally get what you're talking about.
I know it's hard to Becauselike well, no we're.
I've never heard of, not deer,but I have heard of, like the
animal phenomenon where the eyesaren't in the right spot.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh, I'll see where this goes.
Maybe we just have looked it upwith different names.
Anyway, looking strange, isn'ttheir only mo?
Um, okay, so when I would goout in my 20s, some of my
friends and I had like a codeword for like the really drunk
girl trying to keep it togetherin her heels and we, like we all
know what I'm talking aboutlike they're just, they can't
walk, they're like stumbling,they're trying to keep up, and
we would just call them babydeers because they look like
(09:46):
stupid ass baby deers, so thinkof it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
We would call them dg for drunk girl oh, um.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So think of, though, a newborn baby deer trying to
walk, but in a full deer's body,okay I can picture it yeah,
they're said to have very roughmovements, kind of like that
clunky baby deer, which is weirdto see in a huge adult deer.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, Joints in the wrong place, eyes in the wrong
place and walking weirdlythrough the woods would be
enough to make me second guessthings.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, think of like Edgar moving in his meat suit
when he from the Men in Black,you know he's like, like he's
like trying to like.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
No, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yes, sugar water okay , so additionally, kind of like
what I said before, but theysaid they sometimes tend to bend
their legs opposite to howyou'd envision a deer, which is
so disgusting to me, yeah, couldyou imagine seeing it bend the
opposite way?
(10:50):
I don't know why that is sogross.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Just kind of gives me like the creatures from the
village.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh yeah, so staring blankly into the distance is
often noted as a behavior of anot deer.
So like not necessarily staringat you, but just like staring
straight into like nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I would freak out if I saw.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Is this not really just disturbing?
It's not the right word, butthat's just so unsettling.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Unsettling.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Cause, like I feel like if it was just staring off
and looked normal I'd be okaywith it, but just like weirdly
just staring off and lookednormal.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I'd be okay with it, but just like weirdly.
So the number one experiencethat you will have in the
company of a not dear is anoverwhelming feeling of dread
and unease makes sense yeah, andthen, like before you actually
spot it, you might feel likethat uneasy feeling, like that
you're being watched, okay, andif you, if you hear a not deer,
it's said to make a clickingsound.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
No see, this is getting worse.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So the creepiest thing to me is not that they
stand on their back legs, butthey walk jaggedly towards you
on them.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay.
So when I said I've seen notdogs, I've seen like a dog with
weird limbs, like it was running, like it was, and then all of a
sudden it went behind a treeand was standing up and like but
like they hop strangely weirdfucking on their back two legs I
don't know it's giving likepredator or something it's
giving run the fucking other way.
(12:21):
True.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And then seeing you does not bother them, they do
not give a shit.
I'm not surprised on that one,like they just don't care, they
just they'll stand right thereand then they'll still stare off
blankly into something else,like while you're just standing
there like or close to them,which is weird because you know,
deers usually scatter, I feellike sometimes they freeze, but
then they run.
They don't just like stay.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I have had one.
Stay right before it ran intomy car.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
RIP Bampy.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Literally more deer have hit me than I have hit them
so, jesus, you are an expert.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Um so there doesn't seem to be any direct lore
around the not deer other thanthat they original originated.
Originated in the appalachianmountains of course they did
what?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
what creepy monster does it?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I know, and they are one of the only cryptids not
characterized as an entirelyunknown creature, such as like
big, because they're kind of adeer, but they're a not deer, so
they're really characterized aslike a deer, yeah, so what are
your other thoughts on the notdeer deer?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
a couple of them, so let's hear it.
One I'm getting a little bit ofDogman vibe, with just the
shapeshifter of like it's takingon the form of this other
creature, but it's not quitedoing it right.
Yeah, it's like just weird.
And then our other is the termthat we don't say but flesh
pedestrian.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So, yeah, some people do correlate those two, but not
a lot, so I wasn't going to putthat in here because that needs
to be their own episode.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Oh yeah, but it's strange to me where it's like
there's and this is maybegetting ahead of myself Right,
but when we're looking at fleshpedestrians as a whole, I think
we're glomping a lot of thingstogether.
I think we're putting some ofthese the dogmen, the not deer
and all these other things andlike, because the true essence,
(14:25):
if you start to look into fleshpedestrians, compared to the
folklore version of them, arereally different.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, because I feel like every different, yeah, like
there's so many different.
Like you said, everybody kindof has a folklore around that
and I'm going to say it one timeIf you don't know what a flesh
pedestrian is, it is the wordyou're allowed to say versus
skinwalker, and we're not goingto say it again.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
True, but you know, it's just giving me some sort of
shapeshifter vibes Obviouslynot good vibes.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I think some people even kind of could
classify it or like in theanother thing I don't want to
say, but the wendy boys, awendigo version um, well, see,
that's another one that I don't,and I am not the knowledge
expert on this, but I wonder.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It makes me wonder what the true difference is
between the wendy boys and thepedestrians, or if we're talking
about the same thing through adifferent lens well, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I definitely want to do an episode on those two,
because I do think that thereare a lot of similarities but a
lot of differences, so we willdo that one day.
Perfect, um.
Okay, so those are yourthoughts and that is literally
all we have on the not dear yay,we're done, so we get to go
home early today.
Yes, perfect, we're dismissedum let me guess reddit stories
(15:42):
uh, you know it, baby, let's go.
Some of these are like you'relike, okay, yeah, that's
definitely what we're talkingabout.
Some of them you're like maybe,but either way, we got some
stories, boo, boo let's do it soI'm just gonna jump right on in
.
I lived in waynesboro.
Is va, what's va?
(16:05):
Virginia no one can see thatI'm literally doing a va with my
fingers she's doing like a psign, a town down.
Well, because it's okay, um,for about five years, less than
10 miles to the BRP Northentrance.
I don't know what that is, butokay.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm going to guess some sort of park, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Skyline Drive South entrance.
I used to take bike rides alongSD all the time and always kept
a year long membership.
Only in the day, though, justto frame the story, one night,
as I was having a particularlyhard time settling in for bed.
So I decided to start up mybike and ride up to the first
overlook on Skyline, only abouta mile inside the park.
(16:51):
It was about 11pm when I got upthere and, pitch black, I
killed the bike and gotimmediately uncomfortable,
because who the hell would dothat?
I mean, it's so dark.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
When I lived by the state park, man, I used to go
all hours.
Yeah, but you were probably ina car At Bald Mountain.
No, I would just hike from theback of the apartment complex.
You have issues?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm not a guy that gets spooked in the dark.
Truthfully, I prefer the dark.
In most situations.
You can see people before theysee you.
You are particularly invisible,unless someone is looking for
you, and I find the naturalprivacy comforting.
Not up there, though, it was athick, oppressive dark, worse
than anything I had experiencedoutside of a cave and worse than
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any moonless night in theAppalachian Trail.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I was going to say, though I wouldn't do it in
Appalachia, but is Virginia.
I guess it would still be onthe Appalachian Trail, wouldn't
it?
Yeah?
I would have Fuck with thatyeah, I guess if West Virginia
is straight on a motorcycle at11 pm in the dark.
Ok, given the location, no, Iwouldn't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
OK, I don't know what this means.
I immediately got hinked out.
Big time Hinked out Me either.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Okay, there's nothing up there besides wildlife.
I reassured myself internally.
I had my .44 mag revolver fromwhen I lived hiked in the
Pacific Northwest bear countryand all that jazz tucked into my
CCW holster, so I knew Idefinitely outmatched anything
that could come up there.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Anything living.
Right Well yeah, that's notliving, but normal living yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
He wrote two legged snakes included.
So I sat in the dark leaningagainst the bike for a while and
looking at the few lights Icould see in the valley below.
I managed about 10 minutesbefore I physically felt the
hair rise on my back, the backof my neck.
I only did 27 months in Iraq,but I remembered that precise
feeling someone was watching me,something bad was coming.
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It was the same sensation Iwould get before IDF came in or
the shooting sound somewherenearby.
I'm no psychic or whatever, butit's a common thing among vets
with that with any time undertheir belt.
Ask him about it.
How'd you like this guy's story?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
His personality really shines through in his
writing.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I know it's kind of why I picked it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Like I could have guessed.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
He was a vet almost before that you can feel hateful
eyes on you.
The overlook was a sheer drop,or nearly so, so I wasn't
concerned about anything poppingup in that direction, but the
mountainside and thick, untamedwoods were behind me.
I started thinking about methedout dudes creeping in the
Appalachian Trail, bears and thelike.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's just so funny.
Okay, I love that we're freakedout about messed out guys
before bears, but you know, gooff the at is no stranger to
random violence still feelingcreeped out.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I took up a seat on the waist, the waist high stone
wall and marked the overlookledge facing the woods.
Again, I can't emphasize howdark it was, but grizz you might
say, that's him.
Um, why not turn on the bikeand use the lights?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
why not grizz?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
it'll at least help you.
Yeah, it'll at least help yousee what's close, true, but my
bike is loud, all caps and thelast thing I wanted was
attention Plus.
The light would just nightblinds me, if anything just out
of view and the noise wouldobscure the stealthy sounding
creeping going on.
So no thanks, I'll watch andlisten for a bit, which that is
really smart, because a lot ofpeople would turn that light on,
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but then you really can'tactually see, and especially if
something is tracking you.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
you just gave up your position.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Exactly.
I sat in the dark for another10 minutes or so, anxiety
getting worse and worse.
I heard a few things, butnothing out of the ordinary for
a night in the woods I decidedto head on home, since that
feeling wasn't going away.
Like I said, I had a big boreon me, so anything playing games
would be for a powerfulsurprise if the games got stupid
.
Hopping onto my Suzuki, Istarted it up and rode off
towards the gate.
Now, anyone who lives in thecountry and rides bikes knows
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the wildlife is crazy active onthe roads that aren't traveled
on, often at night.
Being nighttime and technicallyclosed, I had to ride around
the gate to get in.
There were no other vehicles onthe road at all.
I hadn't seen a single otherperson since leaving Waynesboro
proper.
The speed limit was about 30,but I clipped along at a measly
15 miles to keep my eye on thedeer and the wildlife.
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It wouldn't do me any good tofuck myself up in a rack, only
to lay there all night untilsomeone happened to cross me in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Especially if you're hearing weird shit.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Right Then I saw it.
Oh no, the term of almost deeris really fitting Not, but quite
accurate.
It was like a deer that someonewho had never seen a deer drew
but only after someone elsedescribed it to them.
It stood up on the left side ofthe road, mountainside, and I
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saw the eyes long before theheadlight shone it fully.
It was big, easily the biggestdeer I've ever seen, and the
lack of any horns that time ofthe year suggested it was a doe.
The head was almost bovine inshape but fixed to a deer's
frame.
The legs seemed too long inproportion to the body Think
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maned wolf proportions and thebody is extremely barrel chested
.
I've always been creeped out bymale formed wildlife, and this
was no exception.
Unfortunately, I had to get itto move or the risk of passing
within a few feet of it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh, it was in front of the gate.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, oh, it was on the mountainside, but like yeah,
okay, yeah.
Oh, it was on the mountainside.
But like yeah, okay, yeah, Iwas not traveling another 30
plus miles up the road in theother direction to leave through
another gate in the middle ofthe night.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Not when it already knows where you are.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Right and I wasn't getting close to it.
Dangers of it spooking andrunning into the side of my
cruiser.
Aside, I didn't want to getnear it at all, stopping and
putting my feet down about 30,it just says 30 away from it.
I tried to frighten it away.
I flashed my beams down low andback high nothing.
I revved my engine nothing.
I honked considerably,considerably horn nada, resting
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the bike in the kickstand.
I let it idle and hopped off.
I yelled at the thing and itstill didn't budge.
So I started the side of theroad to grab something to toss
near it, near the deer thing,hoping it would spook it away.
As soon as I crossed into theother lane it rose up onto its
hind legs.
I froze, putting my hand on mygun.
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I wasn't about to get chargedby any angry, confused,
malformed doe.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh, you see now Grizz has taken more time than I
would have.
I would be probably firing atthis point.
I'd be screaming.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
It took two jerky, unnatural steps towards the
center of the lane on two legsand froze again staring directly
at me, at me.
It suddenly shook its headwildly like a dog with a toy,
took another short step, thenhopped on two legs several times
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until it disappeared into thedarkness on the right side of
the road.
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
like that is terrifying in and of itself.
Alone, but I was alone.
But if you're out in the woodsalone, right like that is now a
hundred times worse.
I like if you don't haveanybody, you're just no and you
don't know where it's gone intothe woods.
Now I'm I'm peeling out ofthere yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So I stepped back onto my bike, mounted it, kicked
the kickstand and turned thelights toward the side of the
road.
On that side there was a sheerdrop off, like 75 to 80 compared
to the roadway, and the fuckerything's head was just peeking
over the edge, still looking atme.
The drop was about 40 to 50.
So there's no way it wasstanding at the base of the
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mountainside.
I cracked the throttle and beatthe hell out of their road.
Wildlife be damned.
I never went back up theskyline drive at night alone
after that.
One time was enough.
There are things we don't grokout there.
What does that mean?
Whatever, this guy's got someslang or things that just visit
for a while.
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Whatever it was, it wasn't fromaround these here parts in Hill
Talk.
It can go back to wherever itcame from and stay there.
And then he added a little editand it says Grizz is my road
name, as used above.
This was originally posted tomy social media.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I love this guy and I really wish I could just like
see a picture of him, becausethe mental image I have of him
is freaking amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He didn't have a picture on his thing, but his
name name on reddit is ampersandunderscore dot, c, z, dot.
C's okay, so thanks, chris.
Anyway, isn't that terrifyingas hell?
Why did it jerk?
And then, hop.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's almost like it's um okay, did you ever watch
harry potter?
The first one, but the wholething where the what's the?
The polyjuice potion that'llallow them to like turn into
somebody else.
And hermione got it all messedup and got a cat hair instead of
the girl's hair and it was justlike the way she was kind of
like moving around, like you'rejerking in a body that doesn't
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belong to you.
That's why I'm still thinkingshapeshifter on this, because
it's like Well, that's why Isaid Edgar from Men in Black,
because he's like.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
All right, moving along you got another.
Oh, I got a couple.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
All right.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
All right.
So I'm very interested inparanormal things.
I get excited and run towardsthe weird noise.
Last winter I was driving on myres to pick my father up at
work.
It was around 10 PM or so in avery dark night.
My headlights started lightingup the back legs of a deer near
the road and I started to break,expecting it to run across the
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road just like you do.
Well, I got closer and the backlegs of the deer were upright,
like it only had two legs.
As I slowly passed, there wasnothing up top, just dark shadow
.
The legs were moving, but therewas nothing else there.
It didn't scare me, but it mademe feel wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I couldn't think of literally there was nothing else
there.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Nothing else there, it was just legs I yeah, I
couldn't think of any other wayto describe it.
Normally I would burst in thedoor and tell everyone how cool,
the cool shit that I just saw,but this just felt different.
Dread and wrong were the twowords I used to describe the
feeling.
I felt like I shouldn't bethere and I was in the wrong
place.
It disturbed me.
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It took me over a month to tellanyone because it just made me
feel bad and like like I shouldkeep it to myself.
I haven't even asked anyoneelse on the res about it because
I just felt like I shouldn'tfor some reason and I can't
articulate.
I've told a few family membersand my best friend and now here
because I can't believe this wasalmost the exact same
experience, because this wasalso.
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This was off of a comment of astory, did this one give a
location so this is.
This is she says next, this wason the and I do not want to
butcher this, but it's theh-a-u-d-e-n-o-s-a-u-n-e-e
hadusani reservation.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I didn't look up where that was that is not a
tribe I've heard of before, so Ican't help you out there.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, and I'm unaware of any stories describing
anything like this, butadmittedly my knowledge is
limited in this area.
First off, what the hell Canyou imagine if you only saw the
bottom part of a deer standingup on its legs?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, no, so was the rest of it shrouded, or was it?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, she just thought it was like a shadow,
Like there was nothing.
It was just like the bottompart of a deer standing upward
and then you couldn't seeanything else.
So maybe it was liketransitioning, you know, like
like the upper part didn't formyet.
I have a new theory, you know,like like the upper part didn't
form yet I have a new theory, ok, ok.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I looked up this reservation and it's basically
like OK, so the maps that arecoming up literally put like
Lake Ontario and Lake Erie thewrong way.
So these are really old maps,ok, but they're just north of
New York and Virginia is southof New York.
I bet you all thesemotherfuckers came from Plum
Island.
Oh my God, probably If youdon't know Plum Island, we did a
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whole episode on that, butthat's where monsters are made,
literally.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, um, so that story was from Gadio Fantastico,
but I thought that was a quicklittle weird one.
Yeah, so I'm it's like okay.
To me it's like she saw itbefore it was fully formed, like
the upper half was still likeforming.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Let me ask you this which one would be more
unsettling to you the back legsor that whole thing that Grizz
saw?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think the back legs only because the full thing I
think you could pass off as likea rabid deer or something.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
See, I'm so the opposite.
The legs, I'd be like okay, Ijust missed the rest of it.
It was shrouded in darkness,that's fine, but if this like
barrel chested bovine headedthing, well I know, I don't know
.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
They're both creepy.
Yeah, okay, all right.
I believe I saw what a lot ofpeople call a not deer last fall
.
I figured this is a good placeas any to post this, since I see
the term not deer tied withflesh pedestrians and other
similar creatures pretty often.
There isn't a lot to this story, but it has stuck with me and
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every time I think back on it Ifeel really uneasy.
I live in Colorado, in amountain town south of Denver.
The road I live off of is awinding back road through a
valley.
One side of the road is rightagainst a rock steep, like a
wall in some places and moresloping in others, and the other
side kind of drops off into thevalley.
Also might be worth noting thatthe mountain on the other side
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of the valley is a huge burnsite with nothing but skeleton
trees, got it.
I've heard a couple of storiesthat take place near the burn
site with nothing but skeletontrees, got it.
I've heard a couple of storiesthat take place near the burn
site, so maybe there's somecorrelation.
This was probably around lateAugust, early September.
I was driving home late,probably around 1am.
I know the road and all thecurves pretty well, so I was
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going a pretty decent speed andprobably wasn't being as
actively aware of mysurroundings as I should have
been, especially since deer andelk are pretty common here.
Anyway, I was coming up on thelast curve before my street and
I saw a deer standing at theside of the road and on the side
with the rock face.
The deer was standingcompletely still facing the rock
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wall.
That in itself doesn't soundtoo strange, I know, but there
was just something unnatural inits stillness and the fact that
it was staring straight into therock, nowhere it could go, was
odd.
But what stuck with me was thefeeling I immediately got upon
seeing it Just an ungodly pit inmy stomach.
It felt like my heart stopped.
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And this wasn't the oh shit,the deer on the side of the road
surprised me kind of stomachpit.
This was an absolute feeling ofdread.
It also seemed like there wassomething just off about the
deer.
For the life of me I can'tpicture in my head or pinpoint
what it was, but somethingproportion wise was wrong, like
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maybe its legs were a little toolong or its torso was stretched
out.
I'm not sure I didn't have timeto really react other than just
slow down a bit and just keepdriving.
As I rounded the curve Iliterally could not take my eyes
off the rear view mirror andthe thing didn't move at all.
Oh, that's so weird, I know.
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Not a flinch, nothing, juststone still.
Even after I was behind thecurve and couldn't see it
anymore, I still couldn't peelmy eyes off the rear view.
I pulled in the garage and hitthe garage door closer before I
even parked, and when I got outof the car I couldn't stop
myself from running up thestairs.
I couldn't shake the feeling ofdread, like I was in danger.
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I'm not by any meanssuperstitious.
I like stories about cryptidsand I think they're super
interesting, but I've neverreally believed them.
But since that night, asshort-lived as the encounter was
, if there is one supernaturalthing, I believe it was that
creature.
I know in my gut it was notjust a deer.
It's also worth noting thatafter I told my visiting friend
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about the experience, sheadmitted that the year before,
when she was visiting for thefirst time, she felt a similar
dread pit in her stomach as wewere approached at that same
spot.
It seems like the not deer ispretty new and there aren't a
whole lot of stories andsightings of them, but from what
I read, I am led to believethat this is exactly what I saw
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that night.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Okay.
So there's a couple interestingthings happening.
The first one is, I think it'simportant to really note we now
have a lover of the paranormal,a skeptical and a vet who are
all giving very similar stories.
So I don't think you could getthree different perspectives
really right.
Just based on the descriptionswe have from these people to me
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gives evidence that somethingweird is happening here.
And what I'm kind of gettingstuck on is like the dread,
right.
So somebody who believes in theparanormal and runs towards it
and somebody who doesn't believebut might be easily freaked out
, they're they're not going tohave dread over the same things,
and somebody who's been inactive war is not going to have
dread.
So I'm kind of going back tothe shape shift around this a
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little bit, and here's why right, if, like, our eyes and mind
can only take in the visiblespectrum of light, are they
seeing or perceiving somethingelse that's happening underneath
where, like, their brain isn'tputting the image together but
something is like they're seeingit for what it really is
somehow, or perceiving somethingthat is just with dread.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I don't know, it's so weird.
I do have a couple more so wecan read and then we can debrief
, but I don't get their purpose.
That's the thing I don't getabout them.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I think they're disguises.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But like, what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Well, I think they're stopping it whenever they're
being seen.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, I guess.
Okay, All right, Okay, Allright, Okay.
So I'll start off by mentioningI live in Oregon Okay, Not
quite a rural town, but our townis small and only about a 10
minute drive to what you wouldactually consider a rural town
or area.
Everyone's heard about thecryptids and lore of Oregon
woods.
I hate these woods.
They're just vast andterrifying but at the same time
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tempting and beckoning.
Almost I totally get that aboutwoods.
I stay out of the woods.
I don't hunt or fish and Imight go hiking every once a
couple years with friends, but Imay get a point to not go where
I don't feel safe.
I kind of brushed off all thestories about the woods here
until I had my own experience ofmy own and I'm ready to share
what I saw that night.
My friend and I worked thegraveyard shift at a local
bakery and we always carpool.
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She picks me up around 1130.
The bakery itself is in a morerural area, but the main road in
town takes us almost all theway out there.
It's a well-lit road until youget slightly out of town and
since it's the main road throughtown, even at night they're
usually passing cars or peoplewalking For my house it takes
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about 10 minutes to get to workon this road.
For about three months thisroad was being repaved.
We'd have to stop literallyright before the turn into the
bakery and wait for theconstruction crew to finish
whatever project they were doing.
After two nights of beingstopped right outside of our
work for over an hour, thatwould be so fucking infuriating.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I would lose my absolute mind.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I feel like at this point I would lose my mind if I
had to drive to a job.
Yeah, you're ass.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And the estimated date for construction being done
was three months out, wedecided to start taking the back
roads to work.
The back way to work was on theopposite side of town of this
main road.
It took us out of town, aroundthe outskirts of town and
finally to the bakery for atotal of about 30 minutes travel
instead of 10.
The back road was completelysurrounded by heavy woods.
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There was a private drive to ahouse every five miles or so.
No street lights, no passingcars, no pedestrians.
The road was also extremelycurvy, just consistent twists
and turns as expected.
We see a lot of deer and theoccasional possum squirrel, etc.
This particular night westarted our journey through the
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back roads and, as we had allbeen, as we had been all week,
we got about 10 miles throughand my friend went around this
bend and then suddenly slammedon her brakes.
I was on my phone so I wasn'tlooking up.
When I saw it first Don't textand drive.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
He wasn't looking up when I saw it first.
Don't text and drive.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
He wasn't driving.
Oh okay, Never mind.
That's why his friend slammedon the brakes.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh, I don't know why, For some reason I thought they
were in the car behind him.
But yeah, you already saidcarpool.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, but still don't text and drive.
I look up and right in thefront of the car is a gigantic
buck.
I'm talking huge, not moosesize, but definitely one of the
largest bucks I've ever seen.
He was staring directly at usthrough the windshield.
We were just kind of frozen forthe moment, for some reason.
We both looked down at the feetof the deer and between its
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front feet was a dead raccoon.
It was clearly a raccoon.
It was clearly a raccoon.
It killed a raccoon.
But listen, its face waspointed towards us, ringlets on
its tail, basically astereotypical raccoon.
Except this thing was huge.
Now, the buck was large, butlarge bucks aren't unheard of.
This raccoon was the size of ahuge dog, the size of a mastiff.
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We looked back up at the deerand it was still standing
staring right at us like it wasmaking eye contact with with us
both.
My friend flashes her highbeans and honks the horn at the
at this, hoping to scare it off.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
It doesn't run which, like when animals don't break
eye contact, that's already asign of aggression.
So I'm freaking out and a deer.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Um, without breaking eye contact with us, it starts
to walk toward the car slowly.
We both are freaked out and atthis point my friend throws the
car in reverse, backs up andswerves around the deer the
entire time.
It moves its head to keep eyecontact as we back up, pull to
the side and drive away.
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So it's literally still tryingto keep eye contact.
That's so fucking creepy.
I don't like it.
Look back behind us and as thisthing is just standing in the
road staring at us as we driveaway, we finally run around the
curve and I lost sight of it.
But until then it never stoppedstaring right at us.
We talk about this a lot, buthow weird it was.
I don't think deer.
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I didn't think deer ate meat.
I'm not a deer expert, I justassumed that they were
herbivores.
So the standing over a deadraccoon was the most unsettling
part, even over the consistenteye contact.
Luckily we aren't dumb enoughto get out of the car, but I
always wonder what would havehappened if we did.
Since then I've been more awareof the lore around here.
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I've heard unsettling noisesand screams coming from the
woods.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
This has to be Appalachia too.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
But this was the only Oregon.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh okay, usually screams from the woods.
Yeah, but this was the onlyOregon.
Oh okay, you usually screamfrom the woods?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, actual encounter I think I've had I am.
Am I thinking too much intothis or is this a little weird
to anyone else?
There's so many legends andstories of cryptids around here,
but I'm sure you've all readabout that fucked up stuff that
happens at Crater Lake.
Just thought this was.
This might be an interestingencounter for someone to hear.
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No one else really believes us,but it's hard to believe
something you didn't see withyour own eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I literally just added Crater Lake to my list by
the way.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, I was going to say you should, but what I was
going to say is I didn't addthis in here.
They were commenting with otherRedditors and the thing that
they kept saying was that theycouldn't get over how big this
raccoon was.
Like they were, like you, justdon't understand.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
So was the raccoon playing dead, and I don't know.
I feel like these are disguises.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I don't think it was a real raccoon, yeah
that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, oh, I get what you mean.
Like the fake raccoon wasplaying dead.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Right saying yeah, yeah, oh, I get what you mean.
Like the wreck, the fake recordwas playing dead.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Right, it's like oh play dead somebody's coming,
yeah, and like there wasn't likeblood or anything.
It didn't look like it waseating it, it was just like
fakely dead I don't like thesethings all right, I got one more
, one more, just one more okaylisten, there wasn't a lot of
like you know stuff to go off,but there was a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
No, that was the surprise of like one.
No, I know, but there's a lotof stories I brought you a lot
of stories, because there reallywasn't anything else?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
okay, I've had an experience with a not deer in
the northern region of theappalachian area appalachia yay
I lived at the edge of the greatuh, great north Woods and a
friend and I decided to gocamping in a field out in the
woods a little ways off thetrail that we used to ride my
horses on all the time.
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It's about six to seven milesout into the woods, so it's a
bit of a trek if you're on foot.
Anyway, we had both grown up inthe woods and knew how to be
safe in regards to wildlife andbuilding a fire safely, all the
good stuff.
We set up camp, sat by the firefor a bit and then go to sleep
in our tent.
I don't know how much time hadpassed, but I remember waking up
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in a cold sweat to the sound ofsomething walking in the tall
grass around the tent the superdistinct swish, swish, swish,
swish sound, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Is it like okay when they're saying swish and you
might not know this?
Is it like the swish of pantsthat they're hearing, or just
the grass?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I think it's just the grass.
Okay, I know what you'retalking about, though.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Either way, Because, like if it sounded human and
then looks like a deer, I don'tknow, I'm even oh.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I would fucking kill myself.
Oh, like a deer, I don't know,I'm even.
Oh, I would fucking kill myself.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Oh my god, what the fuck would you do if you saw
that?
I don't know.
That's why I'm asking Iespecially you're in a tent.
There's nothing like morevulnerable than realizing
there's just.
I know, and you're always doingthat by yourself.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Okay, so it's nearly pitch black in the tent, but I'm
able to look over and see thatmy friend is already awake and
she looks terrified.
The feeling of sitting in atent and listening to the
movement outside wasindescribable.
It's the same oppressive, rawfear you have as a little kid
when you're hiding under yourblankets from the monster in
your closet, felt like beingstalked by a predator, that
(43:41):
intensely primal feeling thatmakes you want to make your
heart stop beating so damn loudbecause it might hear you.
I've never felt anything likethis before or since I've.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
You can feel that in a car right, but you at least
have sheet metal between you andwhatever the threat is this
like putting it exactly likethey said.
Where it's that?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
like feeling and pulling the blankets up, like
you just want to disappearbecause that's your, your only
choices to face it or disappearwe stayed up all night listening
and waiting, and the sounds ofthe thing in the grass never
stopped until the sun started tocome up.
Then it just stopped suddenly,like someone flipped a switch.
We waited until it was fullydaylight before we went, before
(44:23):
we left the tent or were evenbrave enough to make any noise.
Outside, there was thisperfectly round circle of hoof
prints in the grass surroundingthe tent, like a perfect circle
and it didn't look like therewas a path that led to or from
the circle like tracks.
It's so eerie because some ofthe hoof prints were different
(44:48):
sizes it didn't make any sense.
Needless to say, we booked itout of there.
I dropped out of the contact.
I dropped out of contact withthat friend years ago, but I've
never been camping in the woodsout here since then, and
whenever I ride my horses alongthat section of the trail, they
always act super jittery andspooky once they get near that
(45:10):
field.
No matter how many times I'veridden past, it Gives me chills
to this day.
I don't know for sure if it wasa not deer, but from what I've
learned of other people'sfeelings when they encounter
them, yeah, it would make sensethat one is giving me a little
bit of the dog man vibe.
Yeah, I don't know if that's notdeer, but I had to add it in
(45:31):
here because it was fucking well.
I mean, if it's hooves.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I well, yeah, it's just still this one's just so
unsettling all right.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
So how do we feel about the not deer?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I feel like I would like to not ever see one in my
life.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
All right.
So because we all need somesort of rationale besides me,
because I believe in this, I amgoing to give you a few ways
that people have explained itaway.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I'll take it.
I'll take some explanations.
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Birth defects?
Yeah, I mean.
Okay, fine, so the deers havebirth defects, so they function
strange, or I like this one.
The ones seeing the deer aresleep deprived or have just been
the result of isolation for toolong.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Oh yeah, that makes total sense when half these
people are literally caringabout their normal lives before
they go into the woods.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
it's not like they've been in there and the most,
probably, I would say, popularone, or the one that I guess
probably would make maybe themost sense, other than that this
is just a cryptid um chronicwasting disease, so cwd, so also
known as zombie deer syndromewhich is.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
You beat me to that, because it's one of the few
things I know about deer fromwhen I worked in the state parks
.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, I knew you'd probably know this.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I remember we had one that was just standing in about
two foot of water at the GreatLake and that's what I've been
thinking of the whole time.
They get really weird.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
But with chronic wasting disease you don't you'll
see some physical abnormalityof mostly looking like it's like
, you know, like an animalthat's really old.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It gets like really bony and yeah, yeah, but it's
not like barrel chested too longof limbs.
Yeah, it doesn't and it doesn'tlook, it doesn't fit and shit
yeah, so well, just to give allof our listeners, whatever uh,
according to the cdcgov, cwd canaffect uh farmed and free-range
(47:31):
deer and elk in all ages, itcan take months to years for the
infected animal to showsymptoms and these symptoms
could be kind of like you weresaying drastic weight loss,
called wasting, stumbling orlack of coordination, drooling
appearing out of it, excessivethirst or peeing, drooping ears,
(47:51):
lack of fear of people.
Okay, so it's considered a typeof prion disease.
So these diseases occur whenproteins normally in the body
misfold, causing symptoms thateventually result in death.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
affects many species we could do a whole episode on
prions, because that shit isabsolutely terrifying yeah, it
sounds creepy, uh, and it mostlyaffects species of animals with
hooves.
Here's the thing, though I'veseen deer with cwd this is what
I'm saying.
I don't think it doesn't thiscould be your logical, it could
be, but like you can, just youlook at that and you go that's a
(48:27):
sick deer.
Not like, that's a not rightdeer yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I I'm
.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
So I'm totally with you.
Um, and basically this diseasescan just be spread through
blood, urine, feces, all of thethings, and once they get sick,
the disease moves to its brainand spine and eventually kills
the animal.
So that is why it is kind oflike the most likely reason.
It doesn't work for me, but itdoesn't work.
But that is the odd, not surewhat they actually do, not deer.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I almost said I like it, but I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
I just don't get like okay, if they're like a
shapeshifter or something,that's fine, I can get down on
that because that makes sense tome, especially with that large
raccoon, but like, what's theirpurpose?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I don't know, do they have one?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
do?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
they just like live and they just like don't have a
purpose and like, just whenpeople start to observe them,
they're like oh, act like a deerand stop doing it yeah, but
what?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
what do you think they're doing?
This is what kept reallyfucking messing with me, because
I thought that I really thoughtthat I was like are they some?
sort of like nowhere alien,though that like exactly it kind
of gives alien vibe that's whyI couldn't, I couldn't figure it
out, because I'm like, like youjust said, they're in the
middle of nowhere, they're notjust like randomly usually where
people are.
So then I was like like okay,what the fuck are they doing?
(49:43):
But even like that one story,like you don't really find a lot
about them.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Maybe if this is less shapeshifter, more some sort of
like ancient spirit sort ofthing, I mean, I feel like that.
I don't know, I don't know onthis one.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
That's kind of what I was thinking.
It was maybe like a spirit,like an ancient spirit,
something like that.
I was thinking maybe it waslike a watcher type.
Yeah, but why are you so?
Speaker 1 (50:07):
weird.
It kind of I can't.
I can't remember what episodeit was, but where was the
episode we were talking aboutwith the two girls camping in
the backyard and that deer came?
The deer horse thing came andthen it dropped the ring.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I don't know why I kept thinking that I know I did
that episode.
I can't remember what the themewas, though.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Oh, it was moon.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
That was moons.
Yes, yes it was full moon.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
You know, I don't know, but I think it's funny and
it's just weird.
This is actually just acomplete side note, but I think
it's hilarious Believing theBizarre.
Their Patreon tiers.
One of their tiers is calledthe not tier.
I love it or not?
Yeah, not deer, not somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Anyway, Now that you left us with the really dark one
this time, but I could leaveyou with a fun, deer fact to
lighten everything up and getout of the creepiness.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
It's probably not going to light us up, is it?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Well, it depends on what you mean by light up.
So did you know that the reasonthere are so many deer car
collisions by highways, it'sbecause many, many deer are
addicted to nicotine, becausethey've been feeding off of
cigarette butts thrown out carwindows for so long.
So the reason why a lot ofdeers hang out next to the
highway and end up getting hitby cars is because they're
looking for their next fix.
That is so sad, it is very sadsad I thought you were gonna
lighten the mood, but it's alsokind of funny fucking addicts.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Because we did that, we're ruining the whole entire
world okay, well, way to take mylight thing ground my wall is
black it is.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
That's new, like your heart.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Okay, let's wrap this up.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
I'm perfect um well, good job, though I am thoroughly
terrified, and we'll thinkabout these next time I go out
in the woods every time youdrive home now and you're gonna
be freaking out about seeing adeer because you're gonna think
it's a not deer okay, so emojisfor this one, I don't know if
they're whatever thing you canfind close to a deer and then
like the little, like you know,know the no sign, the circle
(52:04):
with a little line through.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Oh yeah, Not deer Got it.
That's a good perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
All right.
What else are these people dobefore we let them go back to
their normal lives and kick themout of the shop and close it up
for the day?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
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We've gotten a lot of newsubscribers on Instagram
Subscribers, followers.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Come on, you elder millennial.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
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guys.
If you're now here listening,hi, hope you like this episode.
If you're not new here, stillleave us emojis and send us some
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Join our Patreon.
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There you go.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
But that's really about it, I love and appreciate
you.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
We still need some write-ins and call-ins, thank
you.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, we do have some of those.
We would need some more.
Yeah, that's really all I havefor you.
Thank you, appreciate you, loveyou, but the most important
thing that you can do for us isto creep a real yard balls
goodbye.
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