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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I want to dance with the mothman at the irony shop,
bathed in the moonlight at theirony shop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe irony shop.
The door's always open at theirony shop.

(00:29):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, our little oddballs, the
podcast where we tell you creepy, odd, weird, strange and
bizarre stories from around theglobe.
I am sitting here with thewonderful, fantastic curator,
cara Cara.
How the hell are you today?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, I am doing great and we're going to just do
a short intro.
I guess I could ask you howyou're doing first.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, and I'll introduce myself.
I'm Zach and I'm doingfantastic today, so, yes, all
right, get on with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, we're going to keep it short, and you guys
already know what that means.
That's because we have anamazing guest that we are very
excited about Zach.
Who do we have with us today?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, the voice you're going to hear in just a
few seconds is one you may haveheard before.
He was one of the stars ofHulu's Living for the Dead, a
psychic medium with over 30years experience practicing
tarot and traveling all over todo so.
And somehow, when you're notdoing all that, you're still
finding time to do somecharitable fundraising and shows
and lives and TikToks.
And we don't even know how youhave all the time for that, but

(01:40):
we've got the wonderful KenBoggle here with us today.
Yay, hi Ken.
How the heck are you, man?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
oh, I'm great, just great peachy, working on my next
charitable thing that I'm doingokay, okay, we'll have to get
more into that.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Do you want to hear about it?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
yeah, I do so.
There's a place here inlexington because that's where
I'm from kentucky, okay and uh,it's called employment solutions
.
It's a place for adults withintellectual disabilities to go
get a job.
They work there.
They used to build boxes forApple.
Your Apple phones would come ina box that they would make.
Oh, I love this.
They made recipes.
They also do things that helpthem live a more well-rounded

(02:18):
life, and they have a room thatNicole Griffith runs the place.
She's turned it into a spa forthem to experience beauty and
self-care.
So I'm endeavoring to do KenBoggle's beauty initiative
making self-care and self-loveaccessible to everybody,
regardless of who you are.
You deserve to feel good aboutyourself.
You should be able to be withpeople, and so I'm partnering

(02:41):
with a couple of salons andRedken Matrix, redken Matrix,
l'oreal Hopefully they don'tknow it yet, but they're going
to participate.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, you've said it here now, so it has to.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's amazing yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
So I think we're going to film all that, because
the journey, uh the journey forthese folks at this location is
just.
It's a remarkable what Nicolehas done for these, for these
people.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
And I want to help participate in that I love that.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
That's awesome.
Yeah, let us know if we can tryto help in any way, because
that's, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, please, please do.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Boggles beauties, boggles beauties.
Oh, I love it.
It's got a ring to it for sureit does.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's a salon of self-care, very nice I love that
oh, that's so sweet.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Before we get too far into it, though, I know we gave
just like three sentences, buttell the listeners a little bit
about yourself, in case Christoh gosh, here we go 33 years.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I've done this for 33 years.
Psychic medium and a tarot cardreader.
I started professionally 15years ago.
I started paranormalinvestigating professionally 17
years ago.
I own business Ken Boggle.
I've made television history acouple of times.
A tarot date was the firststreaming or otherwise
television program that everfocused on tarot as a
centralized thing.

(03:54):
Maybe you're sitting here withLucille Ball.
I'm like an obese legend.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh shut up, stop it yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Oh gotcha, and anyway .
So I did tarot Day for a fewyears that was with Nick Groff
and Elizabeth Saint and VinnySpace and Cosm.
And then I went back to workinga day-to-day job, still doing
Tarot.
I do all the conventions, fairsand markets.
I'm usually on the boardsomehow in some capacity.
I like to have my nose ineverybody else's business and I
like to have my nose ineverybody else's business and I

(04:23):
like to also give the money thatallows me to do that.
So I sponsor a lot.
There you go.
And then I joined Living forthe Dead and that was, to my
knowledge, the first ever fullyinclusive LGBT paranormal
investigation show.
That's the second time.
We've made history.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
That's amazing I was so excited when that came out,
because, as a gay man, there wasalways like, like you know,
you'd have the one tokencharacter here or there, but to
have a show that was just solelyfocused on queer investigators
was just for me like holy shit.
This is amazing.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, it was the big gay scooby-doo that's so perfect
yeah, and I don't know whichone was scooby.
I'd like to think of a slogan.
I think I was a velma, the onewho's like come on, guys, we've
got a mystery to yeah glassescute.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You should do that for halloween this is me for
halloween.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I go as ken boggle every year, but anywho, yeah and
uh, I think we're the firstparanormal television show to
ever be nominated for a daytimeemmy and hell yeah, we won the
american Reality TelevisionSeries Award for Outstanding
Series in Our Genre and thenHulu pulled the plug and it's
now gone to cult culture.

(05:34):
There are literally people hearme out, literally people
burning it to DVDs and sharingit with each other.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay, I didn't know if I needed to ask you on or off
air because I need copies.
I don't know if I needed to askyou on or off air because I
need, I need copies.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I don't know where you would get those.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Gotcha Okay.
What a shame.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Because you're so, for I don't think this is juicy.
But I have to say that Zachrode so hard for the show and he
kept telling me to watch it,watch it, watch it.
And I was like okay, okay, butI am a person where I I watch
the same shit.
I do it for like a comfortthing, and I was like no, I'm
going to watch it, I really wantto, and I'd watch previews, and
then I would just, I also justlike never sit down and watch

(06:16):
anything.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I don't feel like I have time.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And then I never watched it like a ding dong.
And now it's gone and I can'tfind it well, count yourself um
very unfortunate, because it wasa gorgeous, beautiful oh, I
know, zach has told me all aboutit and I'm very mad at myself,
very, very mad.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
But sissy, it's very divisive.
You either really loved it oryou really hated it.
Oh, I think I love it, and Iwas one of the characters that
they really didn't like oh, okay, I have recently found out.
Wait, why, oh kids?
Let's I mean let's just getthere's, like four podcasts out
there that ripped me for an houroh, let's dispel the rumors and

(06:56):
talk crap about them.
Well, the wait, yeah, okay, so Iwas.
I'm the kind of person that I'm100 authentic.
If I'm gonna have an emotion,I'm going to have it, yeah, and
if that's me being mad at you,I'm going to be mad at you.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Ooh, me too.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
And if it's me crying , I'm going to cry and there
will be snot and there will betears.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh, you and Kara would be best friends.
We would.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'm a Capricorn, oh shit.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Sorry for the language.
I don't know if I'm allowed tosay that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
You can say whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
We would actually be more offended if you didn't
swear yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, good, you got to be authentic, right.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I have to be authentic, and that was my
problem.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I was so authentic that a lot of on outside of this
, like in my purse, we would bebest friends, because this is
exactly like I try to beauthentic and people are upset
about it.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Do you think I spent that much money in therapy to
hide my feelings?
If I need to cry to the bosomof Ross Hernandez, get the bosom
ready, I'm coming for you.
What better bosom to cry in?
Oh, I can name us several, butthis is a good one.
It was there.
It was there and I did it Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
so people didn't like you for that, Mama.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Kim, my sister's got a great bosom.
You can get Mama Kim's bosom.
She's so great she's got thebest love in the world, anyway.
So it was unsettling to them.
And then the second episodehappened and a lot of people
were like, okay, now isn't acowboy hat, that wasn't my pick,
but it never happened again andnor will it ever happen.
I'll never wear a cowboy hat.

(08:32):
And then the rest of the series.
You kind of see me disconnectfrom myself, from everything.
But the group somehow grew infront of the camera, the group
grew stronger in front of thecamera, the group grew stronger
and in front of the camera, andfor me I just stopped.
I really just started lookingat everything.
It's like this is just aparanormal investigation.

(08:53):
I'm not here with anybody, I'mjust doing my job, yeah, and I
think a lot of people like mebetter after that.
I don't know.
It seems like one guy in apodcast said the more you watch,
it kid grows into his ownperson.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I'm like, really, and you're like wow, I'm so far
removed from my actual self Ikind of thought, though, like
you, you were a good standalone,because I I thought some of the
um, okay, I usually we don'tget too far into the tea, right,
but let's do it I thought someof them were a little bit on the
playing it up for the camera,that sort of deal where you just
kind of came out, almost evenkeeled the whole time brother,

(09:24):
my love, I don't know what yourpronouns are.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I'm just gonna call you brother.
In my life I'll answer toanything, damn it, okay, I will
too.
I will too, especially dinner.
I'm like, yes, did you call myname?
I thought you called my name.
I thought you said dinneranyway.
Um, that's what everybody saysabout me.
But in all fact, here's how itwent down.
They were all presentingversions of themselves, me
included.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
As you do when there's a camera in front of you
.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, I mean, as we do with people in general let's
not play we all give.
Everybody gives who they wantyou to think they are, and
that's a human thing to do.
I just forgot to wrangle in myauthenticity and my humanness
and it upset a lot of folks.
Folks, I think in front of thecamera and behind, but I'm a

(10:10):
triple aquarius and I'm an alienand I'm an iceberg and you
think you're colder than me.
You got the wrong one and thewrong two.
I am the wrong because, like Ido guys cold, like nobody's
business, like uh, tripleaquarius will do that.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
I, I'm basically a triple pisces, so I'm just head
in the clouds rack.
Well, you're kryptonite, you'rekryptonite kryptonite water
sign.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Oh my god, you all break somebody's heart yeah,
there might have been one or twothere you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Okay, so I have to know what Roz is like though.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I thought that we were really good friends.
Okay, I thought that thatmoment in the bathroom with me,
because I was actually goingthrough it real time.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I thought to her when she said I'll be here for you,
I'll never leave you, and theyall kind of gathered around that
.
As a person with abandonmentand rejection issues, I trusted
it, yeah, and I thought we'd allbe big friends the rest of our
lives.
And that's just not how thatwas meant to be.
And her specifically.

(11:22):
When the riots were happening Iwrote her and said hey, I'm
watching the news, hope you'reokay.
Nothing, oh man.
I offered to help hook her upwith a couple of comedy clubs
here and sort of sort that out.
She's on to bigger, betterthings and she's honestly
comedic genius.
Oh yeah, I will always say toyou that Roz Hernandez is a
comedic genius, but you know,water and oil is what we are.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
You know, here's the tea.
Hold on, here's the tea.
Oh okay, sorry, love bug.
I'm so sorry, but here you go.
When I I said I wasn't going todo this, but here I am.
I said Aquarius, I said whenthis is over, I'm going to.

(12:08):
Whenever messages come to me.
I will respond to every message,when a comment is made.
I will respond to every comment, because if you think at the
end of the day, you don't matterto me, you're wrong.
If you watch what I do or yousupport what I do, I am grateful
.
I owe you with this ambudism, Iowe you a debt of gratitude.
So if the least I can do is saythank you and I hope you have a
beautiful day and give you love, well then, that's my job.
That's why I was made and Rozmade it very clear.
She was like look, I'm not likeyou.
I don't want to talk to thesepeople, I don't want to answer

(12:29):
messages.
And if you give anybody myphone number because I gave the
clients my phone number I'mdoing a wedding for Josh and
Rachel and they were from anepisode.
I'm doing their wedding inOctober.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, and like just the other day I was watching
Winona Judd at the KentuckyLouisville Palace and hooked up
with those gals over there.
We're just hanging out having abig time in the ticket booth,
yeah, so like, I'm your brother,I'm not a celebrity.
I'm never going to ever saythat I'm a celebrity.
It's just not going to happen.
And I don't have that thing.
She has the I'm a celebrity.
Get everybody, get me out ofhere thing.

(13:06):
Gotcha okay, okay, she's a star, is what roz is.
She's really a star.
Funny, isn't funny.
There's nobody funnier.
I could, I can't, I can't evenbe in the room with her.
She cracks me up.
I could be mad as hell and lifeof my ass off.
That's so funny I can't.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I get.
I'm not gonna defend because Idon't know them right, but I can
get it to an extent because youput me and kara in like public
right, she will talk to anybodyforever, all the paracons, and
I'm like I need to go outsidefor 15 minutes and get away from
the people you know, yeah, so Ithink the personality falls
into that it is and it's hardbecause, even like, when I'm
doing that, sometimes I'm like,okay, I'm forcing myself to do

(13:37):
it.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I might not even want to, like I don't want to talk
to a bunch of people, but I'mlike, kara, talk to people, it's
good for you and so, like, likeyou said, you kind of alter
yourself a little bit foreverybody that you're talking
with in your life and it's likeif, if people run into, zach and
I, we're very authentic.
We are what we are on thispodcast, that's what we're out

(13:58):
in real life.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
But it might just be like a little bit toned down as
far as like for sure, and justfor the record, just to say it,
everybody's entitled to handlecelebrity or being on tv or
radio however they feelabsolutely is the healthiest
version from and I'll always saythis if that is your healthy
version, that's you, but it isthe fundamental difference
between you and me.
I will go down my last day.

(14:20):
I'll be used up by my brothersand sisters because that's what
I'm here to do.
She's going to pass in somelovely, beautiful, pillow-filled
euphoria of celebrity.
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's what you want to do, sissy?
Yeah, that's what she wants Gobe.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Joan Crawford I'm here to be a legend, not a star.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I love it.
There we go.
That's a quote right there.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Because I feel always been like, okay, let's just say
one day we were like famous andthis could be our like only
career, right, I never want itto be where I'm not talking to
our listeners Like I never wantthat.
Like if, if that happens, it'sbecause of y'all Like I, we're,
I'm in the comments, I'm talkingto everybody.
Like I'm DMing people Like I, Iwant them to know that I'm
genuinely appreciative.
But also, if I run into youshit like yes, let's take a
picture, let's talk, let's textlike let's be friends right the
bit, the bit of growth we've hadis because the listeners, so I

(15:10):
mean we wouldn't be here withoutthem.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
So now, they deserve some of our time right.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean, I remember saying to them in the cast I was
like we all need to be doingpodcasts.
You know, I don't care ifthey're mom and pop podcasts, I
don don't care.
You need to be out there.
Well, I'm not going to docertain podcasts.
I'm not going to.
Okay, the show didn't get a lotof promotion.
I wonder why Not tea, not tea,not shade.
That's just the truth.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's just how it is .

Speaker 3 (15:37):
We had to do it ourselves, and my version of
that was if you had a podcast, Iused to do those.
By the way, I used to dopodcasts back before.
They were cool and people weremaking money.
We were in our mom's basement,I used to do podcasts, anyway.
So I mean that's, I get it.
And so if somebody says to meI'd like you to be on the
podcast, I'm so grateful.
Like right now, I'm incrediblygrateful, and it's just cool.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
So I have a question, because wasn't it Kristen
Stewart?
Did she produce?
What is she?
What was her affiliation?
She produced.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
She was co-creator.
Executive producer, narrator.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Okay, what is she?

Speaker 3 (16:16):
like she's exactly what you think she is.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Okay, perfect.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I'll say that's a little media training which I'm
trying to get away from thesedays.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I'm pretty close.
I like that.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
But you don't know how hard it is to hang out with
her and not say the words.
Bella Swan.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Right, that's what I would, but I'm sure she does not
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, she was having a cocktail and I went up to get
a cocktail and there she was andwe hadn't really talked to each
other okay and how manycocktails deep are you at this
point?
this is back when I was stilldrinking.
So okay, but I was at work, soyou were okay, a little bit tame
I was tell very much.
So yeah, yeah, okay, becausethat was right around the end
when I was like I really don'twant to drink and party as hard

(16:57):
as I used to.
But anyway, I go up and I get ashot with her and I said to her
uh, you and I was thinking ofthe scene in twilight where
she's like screaming in the bedand edward has left her.
And, oh my god, edward and I wasso pissed zach won't watch them
.
Oh, zach, you're missing out,love bug that I told him that
taylor lautner's enough to startyour fire, baby that is the

(17:19):
ticket.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Here's what we'll do.
I will watch that when karafigures out how to watch Living
for the Dead.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's a deal.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Okay, okay, okay.
So I walked up to her and Isaid you have no idea that when
I was going I didn't watchTwilight immediately, it wasn't
a thing.
I didn't read the books.
But when I was going through mydivorce I started reading the
books and I say that but I haveAudible I don't read unless it's
a tarot card.
It gets read to me.
I have managers and agents thatread contracts I don't read.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, you're like I'm not reading, I'm not doing that
, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Ross doesn't have to talk to people.
I don't have to read there yougo Perfect.
I don't have to do the bar andI said I.
I just wanted to say thatyou're the first actress I've
ever seen in movie history whodid heartbreak the way I was
having heartbreak.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
To wake up screaming and crying and wondering if
you're ever going to have loveagain, and then not being able
to breathe because you so, youso love this person who's no
longer around.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
And she was like oh man, that's so cool I could but
listen, that is, I can visuallysee her demeanor her everything
of that with the hair behind theear.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Oh man, that's so cool.
I did say, though I was like,and I did love you and spencer,
oh, I never.
Which was the diana doc, yourbio doc?

Speaker 1 (18:40):
so I never did watch it, but I I remember wanting to
it's stellar it's stellar.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Um great work as an actress anywho, but it was.
It was great.
I did not say twilight, Ididn't say bella swan, but I got
to talk to her and we werewatching what happens live with
andy cohen and he asked what shewas going to dress up for his
halloween and she said kenboggle.
That was my greatest short ofmeeting stevie nixon hanging out
with nick fleetwood.
I can't think of any othercelebrity interaction Naomi Judd
maybe.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
That is so cool though.
Yeah, oh my God, I love that,okay.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
And also just Andy Cohen.
Knowing your name he is.
He's one of those people I loveto hate, but he's just.
I was a trash TV boy.
Okay, the Real Housewives.
I couldn't eat it up and justwatching the way he would pit
them against each other, oh God,I loved it.
I respect that, Do you?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
want to hear the Andy Cohen story.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh, let's go.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Okay.
So there I am, Okay, minding myown business.
Right there I am and I'm in thehallway, right, Watch what
happens live.
Right, there's a real housewiferunning around.
She's preggers, Her husband'shot, but I think he might have a
drink.
Them not Right, Exactly.
And so, as the person in thegroup who's the Velma, whenever
something needed to be done thatwas administrative, the

(19:48):
producers would hand it to meand I would gather all the
paperwork and gather everybody'spins.
Make sure I had enough pins foreverybody.
Gather it all up, Velma.
Anyway, on my and you can findit somewhere, I'm sure on my
release to be filmed, I wrote myphone number in huge numbers
and then circled it andunderlined it and I said put
this one on the top and we go tofilm.

(20:13):
Watch what happens live.
He sees me, I see him.
I'm like, oh, it's going tohappen right, Like I'm feeling
this heat.
And he's coming toward me andI'm fluffing my pussy bow.
I was wearing a big black satinpussy bow and I'm fluffing my
pussy bow.
I was wearing a big black satinpussy bow and I'm fluffing my
ball.
I'm looking like Dr Seuss Areyou kidding, it was not hot Like
cat in the big gay hat.
It was not a good look.
Anyway, he comes toward me andI opened my arms and he opens

(20:35):
his arms and he hugs me and Iwas like I whispered in his ear
oh my God, I think I said.
The first thing I said was ohmy God, you're so hot.
And then it hit me what I hadsaid and I said oh God, fuck me,
fuck me.
Oh my God, I can't believe Isaid that.
And then he stopped and he saiddon't worry, I would.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
And he's got your number now.
But here's the problem.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
He wasn't there to hug me, he was there to take a
group picture.
Oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
But if you want to tell me you want to hit it, if
you want to hit it and you wantto tell me that I'm down, my god
, that is the you know that'slike that goes right on the
tombstone.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Andy cohen said he'd hit it.
Yeah, you are the legend now.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh, I am, that is perfect, that's my.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
there's my funeral epitaph, that's it.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
There we go, there we go.
We've written it.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
All right, I think we've ran off the rails.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, no, we love this, I love it this episode is going
to be just tea time with Ken ohmy God, it could be.
I love it so much.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Okay.
So a question, um, because youdo tarot, is there like a
specific card that comes up,that you're just like ah shit,
like if you're giving a readingand it comes up?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
and you're like ah, damn it, not not one.
And I, to explain that to you,after 33 years of having my
hands deep in tarot, I know thatevery single card will bring
you to greatness.
Every single card is just likeevery bad thing in life If you
dig in deep and you fight withfaith, concrete action and
perseverance, you can't overcomeanything.

(22:13):
And so I look at the tower, Ilook at the devil, I look at the
chariot and I immediately startfrom place of victory because
I'm like I can help this person,like I got this person's back.
And so whenever I'm doingreadings in front of people
which rarely happens, it's likeonce a month you can see me in
person.
Other time I'm here in thegreat castle.
I don't leave the house unlessyou pay me to leave the house

(22:34):
happily, I like it.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
But whenever people get red, they see the devil.
They go, you know, and I alwaystouch their arm and say don't
worry, I got you.
This is a card I know very welland I will sort it out and I'm
going to get you through it.
And then I give them my homephone number.
I'm like, if you need anything,you just call me and I'm right
here.
Girl, you are so funny, girl.
I'm going to give my life topeople that's what it's about
and they'll find me dead with adeck of tarot cards in my hand,
but there's not a single card Idread or fear at all.
Okay, no.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I like that, okay.
So then, this is just aquestion that I have.
So obviously, you're leaninginto the more positive of the
readings, right, like you're not, you know, you're just you're
being more positive, so I canonly imagine that some people
are seeking, though, to get atarot reading because they're,
you know, in like a dark mood orthings like that, if this is

(23:21):
making sense.
So do you ever like?
Are you ever like so positivethat you almost like disappoint
the person?
Does that?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
make sense?
No, no, no, no, good question,god, that's a good question, but
no, in fact.
Does that make sense?
No, no, no, no, good question.
God, that's a good question,but no, in fact.
The first thing I do is letthem know that I understand the
darkness they're going through.
Okay, for example, a lot ofpeople come to me and they have
alcoholism, drug addiction.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
And I say to them.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
first of all, be honest with me.
Second of all, I will neverjudge you, Not a day in your
life.
Third, I did more cocaine thanStevie Nicks even dreamed about.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
It was a terrible time to take a drink.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Listen the joke and it's in bad taste.
But the joke I always made is Imake Amy Winehouse look like a
quitter.
And so when I say to somebody,I know what you're doing and I
know what you're going throughand we can be honest and I can
help you, or you can just livemiserably.
It's not that the readingitself is positive, it's that
we're going to go to the depthsof it.
We're going to dig it up,gotcha, we're going to unsurface

(24:16):
it, feel it, and then we'regoing to heal it.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's okay damn, talk about the ability to build
rapport so quickly when you justyeah, because I could just see
it like if I'm in a you knowlike a dark, like shitty mood,
like when Zach's like so uppity,I'm like get the fuck away from
me.
So I can only imagine if I'mlike I need a tarot reading and
like I'm like in a dark mood andyou're like this is great, like
, so you tailor it.

(24:39):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
No girl, I'll cry with you, that's what it is Like
and a part of my psychic talentis that I feel what you're
going through, or I see it or Iam you while you're experiencing
.
It depends on what the visionis, and more often than not it's
me in a room watching it happenand I can't help but lose
myself.
Like I cry, not because I'm sadin that moment.

(25:00):
I'm crying because you wentthrough something horrible, dude
, and like I'm trying to and I'mso empathic.
It's unrealistic.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, it's hard to watch so I'm kind of putting
together and you basically saidit word for word.
Right, but your mission is justcompletely pouring yourself out
for other people.
So what came first?
That mission or reading tarot?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Oh, well, at the end of the day, we are our brother's
keeper and that's how we weresupposed to be.
We do owe each other a greatamount of love for the fact.
It's inherent.
We're supposed to, we'resupposed to give to each other.
It's a debt of gratitude we oweto one another as human beings,
because nobody's life is easy.
No matter who you, no matterwhere you're at, I'm, I'm, I.
You need somebody to love youand I think like that was

(25:43):
instilled in me a long, longtime ago.
But that's my purpose in lifeto be my brother's keeper.
It just expresses itself aspsychic medium tarot card reader
, tv guy.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Awesome.
So how the hell do you getstarted in it?
You know we got to ask you thesame question.
Everyone else does.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, I know it's okay, babe.
I grew up in a really hauntedhouse, okay, in a really haunted
house.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think that's just like how it always starts well,
the backyard had a graveyard init.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Oh shit, yeah.
And the power lines crossedlike uh, was this in kentucky
yeah, yeah, in the mountains, inthe mountains add a mountain to
it?
Oh, it's nothing but mountains.
You know, you live in the bigcity.
Those skyscrapers weremountains to me, like that's how
I grew up.
I had a pet rooster.
I was like bobby hill I lovethat I always wanted pet
chickens.
Oh roosters are great.

(26:33):
We had a chinese fightingrooster named rod stewart.
Anyway, he was great.
I used to walk him on a leash.
I was not.
I was a mess from the get-go Iwould do that, though.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean, I have a leash for my bearded dragon to
this day.
So I can't say shit.
We're the same people, babe.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
We're the same people so, um, any, uh, I was not
sleeping because of what washappening to me at night and I
went to see my granny who, uh,lived up in a hollow, what we
call a holler.
She lived up the holler and, uh, she said to me, basically, you
look horrible, which isgranny's way of saying are you
okay?
She's smoking.
You okay, she's smokingcigarettes.

(27:09):
She said, junior, you look likeshit.
And I cried and told her whatwas happening to me at night
these spirits, they would visitme.
And she was like, don't tellyour daddy because he'll kill us
both, but I'll show you how todeal with it.
I was like, okay, yeah, shetaught me how to do healing
stuff.
She was much better at healingthan I could, but she could read
the leaves falling from a tree.
She could tell you what wasabout to happen.

(27:29):
She was iconic.
She's not with us in body, butshe's with me in spirit.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Paternal or maternal side.
Paternal my father's mother,interesting Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Okay.
Well, I was going to say thatbecause she said don't tell your
dad.
Okay, so did your dad not?
Did he have any abilities?
Did he hide from them or justlike shove them down, or he just
didn't believe in it?

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I or he just didn't believe in it.
I don't.
I know one of the worst thingsyou can try to do is make sense
of a psychopath.
I don't really know.
Okay, yeah, it's a fool'serrand to make sense of crazy is
a fool's errand.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Enough said yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I don't know, his mother was incredibly talented,
I'll tell you that.
And each one of us kids,because there's three children
in which families um which weweren't, which is that's not the
thing, it's just, that's athing that people say but the
kids are born in three thatwe're each gifted in different
ways.
We've shared dreams before mysisters and I, so he had to have
a lick of it.
He had.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, there's no, I mean yeah, more
self-denial from theself-righteous.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yep, there's our interview, that's all done.
Then you can just wrap that upSelf-denial from the spill front
.
Ta-da.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You've dropped some real good one-liners so far,
okay.
So what did the siblings get?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
We all have dreams.
Now my sister, mary Helen hasdreams.
My sister Ray has dreamsstronger than mine or Mary's.
Mary Helen has empath abilitiesthat blow my mind.
Wow, you can't take heranywhere.
You can't take her anywhere.
She doesn't do well at funerals.
She doesn't do well at thegrocery store.
Oh God, yeah, but no she's agreat woman and she's incredibly

(28:59):
empathic, intuitive.
She has magic about her, though.
She can make things happen.
I was never really one for that.
I can manifest some stuff, butMary Helen puts me to shame.
She was great.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Wow, okay, yeah, but the dreams and you guys have
shared dreams.
That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, we all share the dream of a tall shadow
figure all in the same night.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
It's not that cool.
I take it back.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
It was a good warning that something bad was about to
happen.
Okay, something bad, somethinghorrific happened after that,
but we, I don't know.
It was like we were born into avery gifted family.
That's all there is to it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Wow, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
So how do the abilities manifest for you?
I know you said kind of likeyou're watching it, yeah.
Yeah, tell us a little bitabout your experience, because
we've interviewed a few mediumsand everyone's is so vastly
different.
And how it's crazy, it's wildand you know what I believe?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I believe that I might be long gone before then,
but they're gonna find out thatthis isa thing, that happened
because of evolution.
That psychic talent is anevolutionary trait and I'm okay,
I don't know, I just feel likeit happens.
The frontal cortex, the frontallobe of the brain, yeah, okay,
I believe that it's theresomewhere and I believe it's a
muscle.
Anyway, I have visions.
I have a spirit guide thattalks to me on the right side of

(30:17):
my body.
Anybody who doesn't belong tome comes to the left side.
My brain is split like that.
So if I walk into a location, Iturn to the left.
That means that there'ssomebody who I don't know who's
talking to me.
If I turn to the right, itmeans a spirit.
I know a lost loved one, myspirit guide.

(30:38):
They're talking to me and itnever fails.
And let's add to this, I havenever been the person who just
accepted the triple Aquarius.
I have never accepted thingsface value.
I've had MRI scans done.
I have been checked bypsychologists, psychiatrists,
doctors, agencies, and they haveno reason why this happens.
There's no schizophrenia,there's no structural reason why
my brain is just different, andI think that's true about every

(30:58):
psychic that I know that'sworth their salt.
Yeah, yeah, but that's whathappens.
I usually am the person I'mseeing it through, or I'm in the
room while it's happening, orI'm reading the cards and the
cards bring me to that placewhere it's happening.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's really, it's like interesting that's so I
would say that's so interesting.
Yeah, so I have a questionabout your spirit guide.
Have you always had the sameone?
Do they change?
Because that's another thingthat we've come across, where
sometimes spirit guides likemove on when they don't, when
you don't need them anymore, andlike you're, it's like an open
door.
You're always getting a newspirit guide.
Is that true for you?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Don't go.
I would be devastated if Chrisleft me.
Oh, she's amazing.
She's amazing.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
And how long have you had her then?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
My whole life.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Wow Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Here's what I know about spirit guides.
Yeah, this is what I know.
You get one.
It's not like spirit guides,okay.
The reason people get themconfused is because lost loved
ones will try to guide you in.
A psychic who doesn't know thedifference, or or doesn't know
the difference, can bemisconstrued.
The two they can.
They can get it.
Or you have a guided, uh, aspirit guide, uh, who's so much

(32:06):
like family that you, theymistake her or them for, uh, a
lost loved one.
But anyway, you have won yourwhole life.
The only time mine ever left mewas when she was explaining to
me that this guy was no good forme and I wasn't listening to
her and she said, fine, have him.
And I didn't hear her for therest of the week that is so
funny you might be my spiritguide.
Yeah yeah, I am trying to warnme and it turned out he was on

(32:30):
crystal bath oh well, yeah,that'll do it.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
You know this is my sobriety.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
I can't go to that.
He was so beautiful, though.
He had the most bluest eyesI've ever seen and they were
like these big, blue, bluecrystal chris was like listen,
you're blinded by this.
I'm out she was like he's badfor you and I was like get off
his balls.
You know, this happened to himwhen his parents and he was a
kid and she was like, no, thedevil is addiction.

(32:55):
And then I found out that hewas like getting with old men to
pay for his crystal meth.
Oh, no girl.
I went to the treatment centerright after that.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I was like I need tested for every of the
everything, yeah, and thenthat's when we learn we listen
to chris, then right, yeah yeah,and I, literally I said I want
one of every ointment in a bag.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I'm taking it out that door.
I have private insurance.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Let's do this oh my god, this is so fun.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Oh, lord, so your spirit guide might leave you if
they're tired of talking to youand you don't listen this.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
This makes sense.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, you have the name.
Who is Chris?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Okay, chris is not her real name.
Okay, her real name I cannotpronounce for the life of me and
if I try, it pulls me from mymeditative psychic place into me
trying to figure it out.
So I just said to her typicalgay, typical gay.
I said to her you talked to meabout my career.
You want what's best for me.
You're like my mom, but you'relike my boss.

(33:55):
Everything about the way Idress, everything about the way
I do, the things I say yes tothe things I do, no is Chris.
So I said okay you remind me ofKris Jenner.
Can I call you Kris?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I knew you were going to say that.
I knew it.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
She said and this is her response, and it chills down
my body.
She said I don't really mindwhat you call me, because I am
spirit.
I will respond to what makesyou comfortable, but in life I
was this amazing mother to allthese beautiful indigenous
children.
They were all so beautiful.
She showed me oh, I just gotchills, yeah.
And she was like so you call mewhat you need to call me?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
She said I'm just here to be your mother.
Oh, I will start crying rightnow.
I'm gonna blow my nose that'sso funny, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm just hearing megan trainer in my head, you
know.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
But what's making?
What is she saying about it?
What is that?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
she has the I'm your mother song with chris jenner in
the music video oh, I'm yourmother.
Yes, you listen to me oh I'llsend you the link come on it's
like it's too, perfect becausethe link come on.
I'm a bad gay.
I'm a bad gay.
Megan Trainor's, divisivethough is she.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I always say Zach's a bad gay.
Can you be more gay, please?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
you know listen the more vodka sodas I have, the
more lymph the wrist gay.
We go out and we'll do stuffand like whatever and people
just like.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
The more vodka sodas I have, the more lymph the wrist
.
Gay, yeah, it just happens.
We go out and we'll do stuffand like whatever and people
just like automatically justassume that we're married.
And I'm like you need to be alittle bit more gay, please.
Not that I don't care, I mean Idon't care, but like he's not a
bad thing to be married to.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Look he's handsome.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
He's funny.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
No is, but I'm like I mean you wouldn't want to be
married to me, but but, kara, Iget it.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
So I'm gonna need you to fem it up a little bit, babe
, when you two go out you'regonna have to do something.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I got you I got you listen to a little different
we'll start rolling the hips alittle more as I walk.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, just start screaming things like slay
there we go, it's like code, Iguess it should be like what I'm
always calling him girl.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Though, hey girl, you think people would know.
They just don't.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You know, for the longest time I fought that one,
and that was years and years andyears ago.
And I'm just like, why the fuck?
No, I just responded.
People like everyone startscalling me now because Kara.
I'm like, yep, we're rollingwith it.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh yeah, honestly, I don't know why I fought that one
and I don't know really why Ijust started calling you that
it's.
It was weird.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I just I fight it too , though I fight it oh well,
sorry girl that's okay, boo.
Um, I think like if we're goingto be sensitive about
everybody's pronouns, we'regoing to be sensitive about mine
, what's good for the goose isgood for the gander.
Yes, granny used to say thesauce goes both ways.
So I think, if we we're goingto be yes, helen, helen, I think
that I love it.

(36:33):
It's just for me, it's like Iam.
I am so not a good gay.
I didn't even decorate thisapartment.
I paid gays to do it.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm there with you, though I did not get the
decorating jeans.
I came back from this show andall this shit was here.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh, this show and all this shit was here oh I love it
, that's amazing though.
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I paid gays to do it.
That's great.
Yeah, oh, they're great, loveit.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
We can't all get the design genes, all right now we
can't, and I'm not here to doyour hair and I'm not here to do
your makeup, and I don't carewhat gender your baby is I don't
care, I'll love it.
I'll love it.
But if you want me to sit inthe hot, hot summer sissy while
you pop a smoke balloon filledwith pink or blue, you called
the wrong one.
I will bring you 20 bucks.
I'll take a slice of cake andyou call me when you find out

(37:17):
what color's in your balloon.
I'm not here to burn downCalifornia for your baby.
I ain't doing it.
And women are like why won'tyou come?
They're just getting out of hand.
And the wedding.
Oh, you have to be in mywedding party, girl, I don't
want to be in your wedding party.
I don't even like the guy and Ithink he hit on me once you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Like I don't want to be in your wedding party.
I've actually been in a weddingwhere that was the case.
Now I have officiated them.
I'm like I'll do that, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, you're done.
Now I did.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I did hang up.
My Pope hat you did.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
So you're, I love officiating weddings.
They're great.
Oh, so much fun.
Oh God, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, oh God, we could just keep going.
Anyway, what were you going tosay, zach?
I was going to say so.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
you've done investigating, you've done the
tarot.
What's the thing you like doingmore that gets you out of the
house?
Is it the readings being withpeople, or is it the
investigating?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Oh, it's readings unless you've got a really good
story.
And if I come all the way toyour house, your house better be
haunted Like.
If I'm coming to your house,girl, you know what I'm thinking
Like it had better.
If I'm leaving this condo, yeah, you better pots Pans need to
be flying Children.
There must be a priest in thebackground who's nervous.

(38:25):
You know what I mean.
Like I need to see these things.
You know A little bit oftheatrics, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I need to see things moving, yep.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yep, more than just.
You had a bad dream and youthink you saw somebody in the
corner.
I ain't coming.
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, I had to.
There was some clients whothere was four generations of
women that all lived togetherone house.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
That's messy Just there.
That's a haunting itself.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Anyway.
So there was, there was thisfamily.
There was four women, the greatgrandmom, the grandmom no, the
grandmom four of them and, um,grandmom, mom, their daughter,
the baby.
The baby was seeing man.
The baby was seeing a man indark clothes and a hat that was
standing outside of her windowasking her to let him in.

(39:12):
Oh, now, I asked to bring thechild in because I needed to see
the child.
I looked at the child and I waslike uh-oh.
I then left the convention Iwas at and went to their house.
I drove I literally drove, andI don't drive.
Oh, wow, I drove up there and Iwalked up and down the steps
and all around the property andit was messy.
So I then I have a magic friendwhose name is Lady Bird, and I

(39:37):
sent Lady Bird there and she hasthem all cleared up.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
OK.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
So it's a pretty good .
It's pretty good situationthere now, but it was pretty
ugly, that's the kind of shitI'll leave the house for.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Was that like more attachment, you think?
Or was it because I think andthis is just maybe my sexism
coming up for women of allgenerations like that seems
right for poltergeist activity?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
yeah well, and it's strange.
So none of them had anysignificant other.
Like what's that?
Like that's weird, what is thatabout?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
like they were all divorced dead or single
interesting or four years old.
The baby was only four.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Well, yeah, I know that one.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
She's just out there running the streets.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Like she's a lover.
Yeah, she's like hey.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Divorced twice.
She's like girl, I'm a thirdhusband, my third husband.
I'm like yes, lily, get it.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Oh funny.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, you know, in my household there was, when my
dad left, there was my motherand my two sisters, which I
think is what amped up more ofthe.
I don't think it's sexist, zach, I think it's a paranormal fact
, okay.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
So don't feel bad, honey, don't feel bad, hey, that
just means I was right, that'sright.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
You were right, boo-boo we love that.
Oh God Okay.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
What about about a reading that's just leaving you
completely shaken, like any thatyou just-.
Yeah, you needed a minute, abreather, a lie down after it
made me push away from the table.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Oh, what happened?
Okay, it's tough.
Are you ready?
Here we go.
Yeah, so this is back when Iwas reading in an office.
I had an office, okay, and thislady comes in.
My office is really dark.
I mean, this is far too muchlight as it is.
You know what I mean.
I feel like Maggie Smith onDownton Abbey trying to block
the fumes.
But this lady came in, she wasa little heavier, you know, and

(41:23):
she was obviously very depressedand she just sat down and she
said I'd like to talk about mymother.
That's all she said.
And so I deal the cards, and asI'm dealing the cards, my
psychic mind kicks in, as itusually does, and I'm seeing
this little pin of light andnothing but void blackness.
Oh, and the pin of light justkeeps coming toward me and

(41:45):
coming toward me and comingtoward me.
And I'm dealing the cards andI'm trying to understand.
This pin of light grows largerand larger until I see it's not
a pin of light, it's actually aface.
Oh that's weird, yeah.
And then the face smiled at me.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Ew, a good smile, or like a, I don't know, not at all
.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I think that's weird.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Not at all.
I don't care what smile it iswhen she's.
When it's weird, not at all.
I don't care what smile it iswhen her mother smiled, creases
all over her face and her teethwere.
I looked at the cards and therewas the devil the seven of
swords, six of coins.
There's lots of things that arelike.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
What the hell.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
And then it hits me.
I'm the little girl.
There's a man coming into mybedroom and my mother is
introducing him to me.
And then the money, six ofcoins.
The money is getting handed offand now he's going to come into
my bedroom.
I pushed away from the tableand I was like this stops Like
this has to stop.
And I looked at her and I saidyour mother was evil incarnate

(42:49):
and she was proud of it.
And the woman broke.
She just started gushing.
She was like what did you see?
And I was telling her.
She said that her mom used tosell her for drugs.
When she was four, five, sixyears old, seven, eight, nine,
ten, she was sold for rentPassed for guys guys, guys,
anyway, we sit down.

(43:15):
I got off from my side of thetable.
I went to her side of the table.
We're crying, yeah, and we'retalking through it.
Sometime later I think it waslike two years later she came
back to see me.
Did you not recognize her?
She had lost a God, oh God'sweight, like 80 some pounds, wow
.
And she said you won'trecognize me.
Here's who came to see you.
And she gave me your driver'slicense and I was like holy shit
, girl, this can't be you.
And she was like yeah, and Iwas like what happened that day?

(43:36):
Like what did you go home with,was my question.
She said it was so liberatingfor me to talk to somebody who,
who knew that who saw it?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I saw it like I saw it, that's exactly what she said
.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
You witnessed.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
It was the words god, add therapist to the end of all
your titles too.
Well, we can't legally say that, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
But, it does.
It can be rather therapeutic,is what I'm legally allowed to
say.
There we go.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, so has there ever been somebody that's come
to you where you're like yeah,you can't do the reading, like
you refused?

Speaker 3 (44:10):
No, but I have kicked people out before.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, I was at Scarefest and, mind you, this is
me paying $8,000 to $10,000 tosponsor the place and I sit down
at my booth, which at thatpoint was on Star's Row before
the second TV show.
I paid big fucking money.
Of course I need to have a goodseat, are you kidding?
Put me right in front of ChipCoffey, as you should.
I want Chip to look me in theeyes as I'm doing these things.

(44:35):
Look at me, he's great.
I shouldn't have said that, butanyway, oh, no, no, no, we can
get into some tea there, okay,good, because I'm here for it.
So, anyway, the lady sat down,her daughter, who was like 35,
set behind her, and the lady'strying to pull the wool over my
eyes like she was some greatmother and everything was great
and groovy.

(44:55):
And oh, I don't know why mykids don't like me and I've
always been so giving.
And I was saying to her you'renot telling me the truth, this
is not how it happened and thedaughter's in the background
going like this.
You know her head shaking.
She's like uh huh so finally,the lady was like you don't know
what you're talking about.
And that's when the fan foldedand I went at it and I was like

(45:18):
you're, I was like you're onlineand your mother, and if you
think I'm going to take thatkind of, I'm trying to really
clean it up it was like a lot.
And then she said you can'ttalk to me that way.
I want to see the manager, Ifeel like I can.
And the manager that time walkedover and she said honey, that's
Ken Boggle, you can't tell himwhat to say.
And then I said would you liketo talk to security?

(45:40):
And she said, yeah,no-transcript, adam, can you
come here please?
I said this lady would like meremoved, adam, and he was like
ma'am, get your bags.
Kid says you got to go.
You can't stop Kid Boggle fromtelling you about yourself and
the daughter on the way out.
She touched my hand and she waslike thank you so much.
She said my mother was justkeeping up appearances, and she

(46:01):
was always that way and we wereall gaslit and I was like I know
you were.
We're all gas lit and I waslike I know you were.
I said your mother's a ragingbitch and I don't want any part
of that.
But before she left I held myhand down.
I said that'll be $80.
Oh perfect, did she pay?
I made her pay me.
Yeah, good.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Pay me and get the hell out.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Hopefully maybe her eyes opened later.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I love that Probably not.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I will say that the place got quiet when it was all
over.
Everybody was looking at me andI just said, what was I'm wrong
?
And everybody was like no, ofcourse.
Not ken, of course.
They were afraid or I was right.
One of the two is right.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well, they're like I don't want to get kicked out, I
want to be the next not me.
Oh god, that's so good.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I love it nobody would say anything when his
brother is standing right behindright yeah, yeah adam.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
adam is a big old boy too.
He'll roll you out that place.
Like you can't mess with mysecurity guy Adam's great.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Oh God, that is so fun yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Okay.
So I got to know, were wesitting directly across from
Chip?
Because we wanted to make eyeswith him, because we wanted to
stare into his solar?
Because you were contemplatingbuying a $20 signed photo,
because I guess that's the goingrate.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
You might be more.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Well, here's the reality Anytime you charge
people to help them in an absurdamount of money.
I paid him $300.
Sorry, it was on sale.
$237 for 30 minutes of his time.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
I only charge $60 for 30 minutes and I'm Emmy
nominated.
Where's your Emmy Chip?
Where's your nominee?
No, sissy, where's the nom?
Did you even get nom?
Did you get a nom, though?
No, you didn't.
Anyway, my point is this hetreats people like they are
expendable.
He's disrespectful to them, andthe more we'll get hold of it

(47:46):
Boggle, no, fuck it, here we go.
I think that the more ego youbring to yourself, the more you
disgust.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
And I.
Last time I saw him, a persontold me he was having some
health issues, which we all knowto be true now, and I was
trying to be nice to him we'retalking about Betty Davis and
Joan Crawford, I'm the Betty andwe would, you know and I said
to him I heard about your health, If there's anything I can do
to help you, I was trying tobridge a gap.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
And he was like what do?

Speaker 3 (48:14):
you know about it, don't open your mouth.
And he said my friend who toldyou I'm going to go sort him out
too, and I was like you reallyare a rancid cunt, is what I
said.
I was like you really are.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
So how did your psychic mediums have a fight?
Is it verbally, or do you just?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
like send messages back and forth.
I think we.
I honestly.
I think there's times that hehas mentally thrown me down an
escalator and I think there'stimes that I've held him
underwater until the bubblestopped.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
All right, yeah, so I've.
We don't have a lot of say inthis as far as like actually
knowing him, but when we've comeacross him and we've like been
in the same vicinity as him andjust watched the way he walks
around like he's like a god andpeople just like follow suit,

(48:59):
that part, I don't know what itis it gives me the biggest ick.
It disgusts me and I wouldnever, I wouldn't even really
care to have a conversation withhim just because of that.
You know what I mean, and we'verun across so many people so
many that we thought would belike that.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Who are the exact?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
opposite and they're just so kind, yeah, yeah, and
like really loving and caring,and will just like let you talk
to them for hours, like, um,yeah, like they're just like a
regular person, because you arethe thing let's talk about.
Let for hours Like, um, likethey're just like a regular
person, cause you are the thinglet's talk about.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Let's take opinion out of it, cause like she's not
here to defend herself, right,true?
So let's take opinion out of it.
Let's talk about fact I wasinvolved in the first major LGBT
forward paranormal televisionshow ever.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You said nothing to support it.
That is wild actually I countone book that I paid him to
autograph.
There is a picture I paid himto autograph.
I paid for that appointment andhe couldn't even pay me a
compliment.
You couldn't even message me.
That actually so we takeopinion out of it.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
That speaks everything you need to.
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
That's the fact.
That's the fact Speaks volumes,right there 100.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Well, you know they always say, oh, I'm gonna read
you for filth because thelibrary is open.
I said, sis, I will eat youalive because the buffet is open
.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm a buffet and, believeme, I got receipts for
everything.
I got receipts, son, but Ithought it was really shady that
he and other lg, lgbt,paranormal stars didn't come up

(50:29):
and say something positive aboutit.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, you, that's yeah.
I don't even care what way youspin that, that's just really
terrible, because that's acommunity that you should be
proud of and vouching for.
And you know, even if you werejust like, yeah, it's a really
cool thing like you, that isreally strange.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
He was a pioneer for the LGBT in paranormal
television, true Years ago.
Right, right Big fancy chip Himand Lorraine Warren and that
kilt that I almost could killsomebody.
I'd love to touch it Like Iwant that kilt, but anyway, she
always wore that Scottish dress.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
She was, was fat.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
yeah, I don't know if I trust her anymore, because
I've read some stuff, but Iliked her dress anyway, um, I
think she's one of those ones.
We have to respect both of themfor what they did for the field,
exactly.
I totally agree.
There you go, there you go.
That's me now.
He, he was a pioneer and Iwould think as a pioneer, you'd
look at the next one coming andyou would say good job, babe.
Yeah, you, you're carrying atorch.
That I started and you know, Ithink you know me well enough in
the last 30 minutes.
We've been together for an hour.

(51:33):
We've been together.
I'm going to say to you, I'mgiving you your flowers, I'm
going to give you your props,because you, I owe you a debt of
gratitude and if he had donethat, if he had done that, I
would have, I would have been sokind to him and I would have
been so grateful to him, but hedidn't.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
This just reminds me and I think it was what was the
last Paracon 23-4?
Michigan Paracon.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Oh God, I don't remember the number now.
It was the last MichiganParacon.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
So we're watching and it's a panel and it's escaping
my mind.
The only one that I can thinkof is Becky Ann Galentine was on
the panel.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Tim Shaw.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Tim Shaw was interviewing and he said you
guys are the next generationLike.
I'm so excited for you.
You guys are the nextcollectors Like you have all
like, and he was just givingthem so much props.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, and he's like I've been doing.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
thank you, he's like I've been doing it for so long
and like we're so excited tohave the next generation do what
we're doing that's how it couldhave been amen, or should have.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yeah, I will tell you , though, that adam barry
actually said hello to me theother day we were in chicago and
he actually came out of his wayoff of a booth, like, and
walked down some steps andhugged me.
I was like, girl, I didn't knowwhat to do.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Zach would melt.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I've growled at him.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I would say do you want to tell him your Adam Barry
story?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
It took me two years to get up the courage and I went
to say hello to him.
I was coming out of thebathroom, wasn't expecting it.
He goes hey, how's it going?
I went hey, how's it going.
Then, then, my next interactionyeah, he comes around the
corners.
I'm standing up and I forgetthat my phone's on my lap.
So I stood up to stretch and Ithrew my phone right in front of
him so he comes running though,and he's like to denise, mama

(53:18):
denise.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
And he's like, oh my god, I just embarrassed myself
in front of adam barry, likewhat did you do?
He's like I growled at him.
She will not let him live thisdown to this.
It is the funniest shit thathas ever happened.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I love that.
I love that.
Well now, I don't know if youremember, but he put out a half
nudie picture of him on a beachwith some driftwood once on
Instagram.
I did not know about this.
Oh, you need a deep dive.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I was just like.
We need to find that.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I was saying to my manager Lindsay, who's also his
agent we share agents.
And so does Mrs Coffee.
But I was saying to her I waslike you know what?
I'm really bummed out, thatAdam and I don't get along as
well as I'd like Because I thinkhe's so beautiful.
And we were just talking aboutit and that night he invited me

(54:06):
to participate in paranormalPictionary.
I was like are we turning abridge here?
Like are we building gaps?
You know what I mean?
Like is this happening?
And then I got up to do my partand I was shaking Cause, like
yeah, I was supposed to draw aghost orgy.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Oh well, didn't we?
We watched that, or not yours,but didn't he do that when we
were one year?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
It's his thing, yeah, yeah yeah, we watched it, it
was funny.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah.
So I was nervous and I justsaid I said, adam, I can't do
that, like I can't draw ghostorgy.
And he leaned in away from themicrophone and he said to me,
take a deep breath, it's justfun.
Nobody's going to be mad at you, girl, it's okay.
That's so sweet.

(54:49):
And I mean, I got the vapors.
I got the vapors.
I was like, oh, I had to go hometo the and throw cold water in
my face.
He's so pretty he is, and whenhe really is in the moment with
you, he's a pretty decentcharacter and I've judged him
for a long time, but I should Ican see that we all have our
back bodies absolutely oh

Speaker 2 (55:06):
man this is so funny we need to title this like not
spilling coffee c-o-f-f-e-y.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yeah or not?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
maybe it should be not spilling tea but coffee.
There we go, subtle little digs.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
We're not above pattiness here.
Yeah, I hear shots fired, yeah,yeah we're listen, we're not.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
we're normally not like this, so we can do it every
once in a while.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I mean I think we've not said anything that wasn't
based in truth, and that's thebig part.
You know what I mean there wego Exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh my gosh, well, I don't even.
What else did we have to?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I boring questions.
We told you we'd take about anhour of your time.
Here's the question I have.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
We are coming to Kentucky in like a month, august
.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Where do we need to go?
We're coming for HauntersAgainst Hate, which?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
is ran by my friend.
My friend does that.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Are you going to be there?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Oh really I don't know anything about it.
What are you talking about?
I don't know what you mean Girl.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
You have to be there, okay.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Give me the details and let me call him and see what
I can do about that Was thathere in.
Lexington, or was thatLouisville?
Where is that?
Louisville, louisville,louisville, okay.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah, so we're the oh wow.
I just like mental break.
We're going, we're only there.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Friday yeah.
Friday through Sunday yeah, sowe're not there for a lot we're
obviously doing waverly.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Oh yeah, okay that's already booked that we're doing
that on friday night you gottago to birdie advise yeah please
do um.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
It is a bar antique mall, can't you just die?
Okay, no, the last time, though, that me and antiques and
drinks were.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I ended up shipping chairs from Arizona to Michigan.
I don't know if that's the bestplace for me.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
They'll ship it.
That's from Living for the Dead.
Bertie and Viles was the barthat we would meet at.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yes, yes yes, oh we have to go.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Yeah, and then you've got to get some Louisville drag
.
You've got to see Louisvilledrag.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Maybe we could do that like.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Sunday morning you talk about the most untapped
artistic, artistic drag.
Lexington is really, really,really popular.
They've got some great queens,but Louisville, okay, hard to
beat it.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Well, yeah, we'll have to send you the details for
that, because you should go,please do.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
And we might have dinner or something or go have a
drink.
Well, I'll have a diet coke,but yeah there we go.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
That's still a drink, we're so down.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Can you imagine the kind of trouble I was talking
about getting you into if Idon't drink like get some bad
shit like we could be into thisyou could still get me into some
real bad shit okay sis, I'mhere for that because that you
almost have the upper hand there, because if we're having a
drink and you're the sober one

Speaker 2 (57:46):
it's a lot easier to talk us into the shit listening
to ken following him like alittle duckling.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Okay, let's go and all you gotta say is it's me,
it's ken from kentucky, andthey're all right yeah, come on
in.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, hold my beer amazing is there anything else
that you want to share with us,or?

Speaker 3 (58:03):
yeah, I really would um and I hate to be the person
to.
No, I don't hate to be theperson to be this man.
I'm proud of myself.
If you're not speaking aboutthe issues of today, the
political issues of today,you're part of the problem.
100% so bad you can go straightto hell.

(58:24):
I think that it's sad that somany people have such a small
platform that they think is sooutrageous and they're so afraid
of losing it.
If you don't lose your platformfor the sake of your brothers
and sisters, your platform isbased in bullshit and it's about
damn time that we all stood upand said we've had enough
Absent-fuck.
We've got to take care of eachother and we've got to bring an

(58:46):
end to what's happening.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
We do.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
And whether it's a protest or whether we're posting
, or whether we're gettingbetween a family and certain
agencies that are there to breakfamilies up.
Whatever we've got to do at thetime, the gloves have to come
off, and if you're supportingpeople who aren't saying
anything about it, I encourageyou to question that.
Why are you not beingresponsive?
It's vital for all of us tostand up and say that what's

(59:09):
happening right now is wrong.
Having a place that'saffectionately known as
Alligator Alcatraz is anabomination to God and you
should be ashamed of yourself.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Oh my God, it's disgusting, it's so maddening.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
I just want to wrap up in a positive note and say
Donald Trump can fuck the wholeway off.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yes, open a positive note and say Donald Trump can
fuck the whole way off.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yes, baby, and he can take that bottom bitch fence
with him.
And if they want me, they knowwhere to find me.
I'm more than happy to put themin their place.
He wouldn't sit down with atarot card reading with me,
donald Trump.
I would sort him out.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I need to sit down with a tarot card reading with
you.
I'd love that.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
But also, that being said, but also that being said,
please, you know, if you followme, follow at Ken Boggle.
There's no underscores, nospecial characters at Ken Boggle
.
Just go to Ken Boggle,k-e-n-b-o-g-g-l-e and com and
there I am.
So just come find me and let'sspend some time together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I love it.
Yeah Well, thank you so much.
This was such a funconversation.
This is not what I expected,and let me just tell you where
I'm gonna leave with this, zachand I had some pretty bad day.
We had a bad day like asidefrom this, obviously, but this
just wait, we had a bad dayaside from this just made it
worse this brought us back tolife.

(01:00:23):
Let me just tell you, oh my god,because before this we call
each other and we're like all,all right, this is going to be
fun, like, get in the mood.
Like you know, you had to peptalk ourselves, we did, but
guess what?
That didn't even take longbecause you, just you made my
night.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Well, that's.
That's a huge compliment to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
And I'm really we understand, we get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Kara Zach has my phone number.
You all feel free to use it.
Let's meet and do something inLouisville, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Let's let's figure that out, Cause I think that'll
be a lot of fun.
Okay, cool, All right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
So we always ask ask our guests to leave an emoji If
they made it this far, or whatemoji they want listeners to
leave.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yes, I'm sorry.
So what emoji do you want themto leave?

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
The crystal ball.
Okay, love it, perfect Crystalball.
Has anybody else said thatbefore?
Because?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I don't want to be like anybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
No, yes, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
We've had other mediums on.
I'm kind of surprised you'rethe first one to claim that one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I don't even know, but no one's ever done the
crystal ball, so I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Yeah, thank you, babe .
Well, I think this is this iswell, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
This is fun.
So I have a call to actionbecause I think ken would come
back, but I think it would befun.
This was such a juicy episode.
What juicy questions couldmaybe our listeners ask you?
So if you guys have juicyquestions, dm us and then we can
get you back to answer somejuicy questions.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
don't worry, I will be honest too.
That's my downfall, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I love it All right.
Thank you guys so much forlistening.
Thank you, ken, so much forbeing here.
The most important thing thatyou guys can do for us is to
creep a reel my little oddballs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Goodbye, bye.
You got to throw us.
Good goodbye Ken.
Oh bye y'all.
You got to throw us.
Good goodbye Ken, oh bye y'all.
Perfect, at the RE Shop.

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We'll clean the shadows At theRE Shop and hope with the
eyeballs At the RE Shop.
The door's always open At theRE Shop.