July 10, 2025 • 55 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Zach is talking all about Love from Beyond the Grave!
Have you ever felt a presence in your bedroom late at night? A cold touch when no one was there? For most, these moments spark fear – but for some, they spark romance.
Spectrophilia – sexual or romantic attraction to ghosts – exists in a fascinating limbo between psychological curiosity and paranormal experience. Our deep dive takes you through centuries of ghost marriages across cultures.
Then we explore modern cases that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about relationships. Meet Amanda, a psychic medium who married a 300-year-old Haitian pirate ghost named Jack in international waters. Or Brocarde, whose romance with Victorian soldier Eduardo ended when he began haunting her with the sounds of screaming babies. These aren't fictional tales – these are real people who've appeared in mainstream media documenting their spiritual marriages and subsequent divorces.
Have you ever experienced unexplained romantic encounters? Send us your paranormal relationship stories – we promise not to ghost you.
References:
- https://www.them.us/story/kesha-ghost-sex-encounter-supernatural
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrophilia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia
- https://people.com/human-interest/woman-who-married-300-year-old-pirate-ghost-announces-marriage-is-over/
- https://nypost.com/2022/12/11/singer-who-married-a-ghost-claims-he-ruined-their-honeymoon/
- https://www.theworldofchinese.com/2015/09/dead-when-wed-ghost-marriages-in-china/
- https://myend.com/country/south-sudan/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuer_peop
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IDshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theID shop.
(00:29):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shoppodcast, the podcast where we
tell you creepy, odd words,strange stories from around the
globe.
You said word, word.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Strange.
You know what?
Let's try that again.
No, I like it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Keep it all in.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's fun.
You know what?
If you're new here, welcome tothe shit show.
If you're not new here, heygirl, you're not surprised by
any of this.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
God, all right.
Who are you?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Zachary.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh, and I'm Cara today.
Yeah, is it the opposite day?
Sure, the coolest curators youknow.
Okay, so I finally broke downand I did it and I have
purchased gender affirming carefor myself.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh, I know, and as of this week, I am officially on
minoxidil for my thinning hair.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Isn't that what you didn't want to take?
Yes, it is Okay, but I havetried three different natural
products for over a year at thispoint and it's only getting
worse.
So I am going to give theactual medication a try.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, Give me back my .
What is it called?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Grow.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, it's not called that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's literally called the GRO.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The one I gave you.
Yeah, no, it's not.
It's no, it's not.
It's company name starts with av, but yeah, yeah, but yeah,
the product is called grow.
No, I know, but I meant theproduct name because everybody
knows it.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Give it back to me, okay come get it, unless you're
gonna use it.
I don't want to put like toomany different products in there
, so I still have my othernatural stuff that I'm still
using.
But I got like the derma rollerand everything just be careful
with that catch me in a year.
I'm gonna be full head again.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I know, but just be careful with derma rollers.
Are you talking about?
What does it look like?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's the one with like all the little pins on it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, that's very, very dangerous.
Be very careful, make sureyou're cleaning it.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It gets soaked in alcohol.
Watch a lot of videos, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I know, but that is just like derma planing and
everything is so bad for youLike just thanks mom because all
you need is an infection onyour head and then you lose.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
There you are there's not much left to lose up there.
Oh, honestly, a scab might lookbetter at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You are such a dork um, okay, so that's good for you
.
I'm glad, because otherwise wecould just go to turkey though
yeah, it's a little, so I didtry.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
just I didn't get the full prescription because
honestly I didn't want the otherdrug that they put in it, the
finasteride or whatever becausethat has some serious side
effects.
So I got the over the counterlight version.
I'm going to try it for alittle while.
If it doesn't work, damn it.
We're saving up for that Turkeyvacation.
I don't know these people, buta couple YouTubers that I watch.
(03:10):
They have podcasts but theytalk about a lot that both went
and it's like you would neverknow.
It looks great.
So it looks great after acouple months.
I love that.
I know we've talked about onhere, but I just love that
picture of everyone coming backon the flight from Turkey to US
and they all have just likesuper swollen heads from the
pressure changes Ridiculous.
Oh my God, it'll be me one day.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, I had something to tell you or talk about, but
now I'm like wait the hair.
I just didn't know that's whatwe were going to be talking
about Turkey, what the fuck wasI talking about?
Oh, this is not what I wasgoing to say, but this is.
We have some very intuitivelisteners, because when we were
dropping hints for Lauren'sepisode, people guessed it
(03:43):
without even the hint.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I know they did good.
Also appreciate the engagementon that one.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was wild.
And as of recording this, theepisode hasn't even come out yet
and I still have one more dayof hints, but people already
guessed it.
They guessed it on the day thatI said I'm going to be giving
you guys hints starting tomorrow.
They already guessed it thatday, but I didn't tell anybody.
They're correct.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I'm like like I don't know.
I did the same thing on thetiktok.
I saw that so I thought thatwas so fun.
On her episode, though, westill need to write in.
So questions for lauren, or ifyou want her to read your story
on a future episode, send themto us she'd come back, so we
gotta give her some stuff tocome back.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Uh, what else was I gonna say?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think that might have been it um, oh, did I tell
you about, with all the yardwork that I was doing, that
random hole in my front yardthat I've been trying to figure
out what it was?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
no, is it a mole or rabbit?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
it's a chipmunk oh little chipper I've been sitting
on the front porch when I getdone with my walks just to like
see if I could see it right, andI kind of like sit behind the
bush and this little little Ialmost called him a bad name,
but it is really annoyingbecause he's tunneling under my,
yeah, but he came like runningout of nowhere and went to like
(04:53):
jump in the hole but thenrealized I'm three feet away
from it and we're just staringat each other.
This dude's cheeks, oh is there, we're so puffed out like he.
I don't know how he wasn'tbursting or didn't drop any of
that food when he saw me and wejust had this stare down.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You guys could become friends.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Except okay.
So the same thing happened inmy parents' house, and then
their cement started settlingbecause the chipmunks were
getting under there.
So I need to figure out asolution.
I want to try, though, to find,like, a humane solution.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
They do have like repellent that's not harmful,
like I did that around theperimeter for like the bunnies
because they were really tearingup my yard until I was going to
kill them all.
So they do have where you'renot going to kill them, so you
could do I don't want him to die.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, no, no, I don't want him.
Yeah, I have had enoughproblems with critters in this
damn house.
Yeah, there's squirrels in mywalls if you know, you know, um,
yeah, that she performed thatrecently because phineas and
ferb is now back oh, is that?
I thought it was just like atone of her shows, nope so they
are.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They rebooted it, so it is back, which is actually
exciting because I loved thatcartoon and they didn't actually
never really watched it.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I've watched it like once or twice with uh like
younger kids, oh yeah it's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I well, I was a nanny so we she was like her favorite
show.
But um, yeah, they rebooted it.
It's all the same voice actors,everybody came back, so it's
like authentic and they're notlike changing anything, which is
cool what was the cartoon?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
that was like past, when we were kids, but probably
like the time you would havebeen babysitting or nannying.
That was like two birds, like ablue jay and a red bird, and
they like worked at a summercamp and like their manager was
a gumball machine.
What it was like.
I remember watching it withyounger kids and there were so
many jokes there that I'm like I, because I don't think that was
(06:35):
a kid's cartoon.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I think it was probably like adult swim or
something regular show that'sprobably like an adult swim no,
it was I've never watched ithold on.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's a regular show for kids.
Oh, top thing it says no, itwas not considered appropriate
for young children, but it wason like it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Adult swim is just on like midday tv isn't that wild
that this just popped into mybrain.
And then obviously we have toget going.
But adult swim what a fuckingconcept.
Because why was it on cartoonright, cartoon network?
Yeah, but it was just likefucking concept.
Because why was it on cartoonnetwork?
Right, cartoon network?
Yeah, but it was just like at10 o'clock it switched over like
we weren't gonna watch it ohyeah, no, I watched every.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Those were that's where all the good shit was a
bad call.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, probably why our generation is so screwed up
just because it said adults, Iknow, yeah, I know, okay, well
with that uplifting note aboutus all being screwed up, I got a
really screwed up episode foryou.
Okay, this is screwed up.
Sorry, it just came to my brain.
I was going to tell you aboutit.
When I was at the wedding,Dustin was there and his wife,
(07:36):
Manda, just casually at dinnerwe were talking about everyone
at the table was talking aboutthe podcast and she's just, like
my grandma, murdered my grandpathe podcast and she's just like
.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
My grandma murdered my grandpa.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
What I was like, manda, you didn't get her to
write down the story on a napkin?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
no, I told her to email it and she said, okay, you
better follow up with her theywere like mafia ties.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But she poisoned him.
Aqua tifana, that's what I said.
I said, oh, it was either bella, was it bella donna?
And then she's like I don'tknow.
I said was it aqua tifana?
And everyone at the table'slike what?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
the fuck.
Yeah, get this girl away fromme.
She knows way too much aboutpoison most of them knew me, so
it was fine, fair, okay, uh,okay, are you ready to open the
shop up?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I'm ready.
Do you have a question for me?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I do have a question for you, but I have a statement
first.
Oh, we all know and I want tostart this out by saying this
earnestly that Aaron is amazing.
However, if you could marry,instead of Aaron, anybody dead,
who would it be?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I had an instant answer for alive.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Sorry, that's not the question.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Huh, I can't think of anybody dead.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
There's so many dead people it's hard to pick just
one.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, I've just no one's coming to mind that I
would want to marry, okay.
Well, should I be oh my God,there has to be.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
There's like billions of dead people.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I know, but to marry, yeah, that's not like you don't
just pick it, like that'sdifferent than hanging out with
Okay, let's lower the pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
How about date?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I can't think of anybody who would you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
If anybody me know, betty white, obviously, oh god
damn, I would marry her too.
I was thinking guys oh yeahthis is 2025, at least be a
lesbian.
In our current state of theworld, you can still marry
anybody you want okay, a guy whowould you pick?
um, see, that's hard.
Hmm, oh, anton yelkin.
Who's anton yelkin?
He was in charlie bartlett andhe was in the Star Trek movies
(09:27):
Alpha Dog.
He was just a really cutelittle Russian guy.
I don't know, I'll look it up,but this is going to be.
He was like a super famousactor.
He got this is going to bug meCrushed by his own Jeep.
It was actually really sad.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Oh, I do remember hearing that yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
OK, well, you think about it as it pops into your
head who you would marry.
You just let me know, althoughif you think on it too long,
partway through this episode youmight not want to do that
anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
But oh, Heath Ledger, oh there you go.
Duh, Because in my head he'snot dead.
That one is like when youremember every couple months.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
it is a hard one still, also years later, rip to
michelle trachtenberg.
I know we already talked aboutit, but I would also love her.
She's so cute.
Oh, she's a little baddie.
Okay, all right, ready to getinto it.
Yes, I think I don't fuckingknow.
We know that people fall inlove all the time, most of the
time with people, oh god.
As we've seen on tlc thoughsometimes it's carnival rides,
cars or dolls- I swear to god,but there are those out there,
cara, who still cravetraditional marriage.
However, the one they crave maybe from beyond the grave, so
(10:34):
we're gonna start this episodeis this relationships of people,
dead people or okay?
We're gonna start it with adefinition that I'm certain
after googling I've been addedto some new database for being a
complete weirdo.
Oh, but spectrophilia is a termused to describe a sexual or
romantic relationship orattraction to ghosts and spirits
(10:58):
.
It's one of the most obscureforms of paraphilia and exists
in both psychological literatureand paranormal lore.
So it's not a firmly or oh myGod, I cannot talk today You're
me.
I was going to say somethinglike you.
Well, not a formally recognizeddiagnosis in the DSM-5.
(11:18):
It is a real concept discussedin fringe psychology, folklore
and pop culture.
So in case you're like me andthought paraphilia had something
to do with the paranormal, itactually doesn't, because
spectrophilia is under theumbrella of paraphilia.
Paraphilia is just anexperience or reoccurring
intense sexual arousal toatypical objects, places,
(11:41):
situations, fantasies, behaviorsor individuals because,
remember, para is just like notnormal right, yeah, I just you
know normal, so it's it makessense.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This is gonna be funny episode, I can feel it,
but oh, it's gonna be a good oneyou would.
You need to start listening totwo girls, one ghost, because
they have the wildest write-insof stories of this shit that
happen to people.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Oh, I got some good ones for you.
Okay, but in case you need itwritten or wrote, oh my God,
read to you.
Like a drug, commercial Effectsof spectrophilia can include
feeling sexually attracted,ghosts or spirit beings, belief
in or experience of sexualencounters with spirits,
romantic relationships withinvisible or supernatural
entities, fantasies involvingthe paranormal or incorporeal
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lovers.
I think I did pretty good.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Okay, you did really good, but I thought I heard
something.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh, that was Reptar.
Okay, reptar is settling in forbed.
Okay, Because I was like whatis that?
Yeah, if you were hearing ascratching noise in the
background it was just my lizard.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh, it's the baby.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Obviously, though, this can be, like you know,
harmless fantasy to deep belief.
If you're anything like me,you're probably thinking of pop
culture references, like themovie ghost scary movie too or
even kesha's song supernatural,which she explained in 2012 is
about sexy experiences with theparanormal that she had um shout
out crazy for swayze podcastthough, because we were on that
and we talked about ghosts Iknow that's what kind of like
(13:07):
even though there was a longtime ago started to kind of get
me down this road which then Ihad to look into the kesha song
a little bit more.
And she, like legit, had amoment with a ghost.
She's quoted in an interviewsaying I don't know his name, he
was a ghost, but I was veryopen to it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Love her leave it to kesha alien singing aliens.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
She's amazing, okay.
So obviously this is somethingthat happens.
We're gonna get into some funstories of it, but first I gotta
hit you with a historical andcultural significance.
Okay, there's actually like alot of this that has happened
through history in differentcultures, so the first being in
china.
They had the practice of minghun, or spirit marriage, so this
(13:50):
could be a marriage in whicheither one or both parties are
deceased.
It's kind of strange.
Um, it goes all the way back tothe han dynasty, so like 206 bc
to 220 ad, it is now very muchillegal today to practice, but
it kind of comes from thepractice of the yin-yang
philosophy, where energies haveto merge and balance to create
harmony.
(14:10):
One of the earliest cases ofthis happening is the son of Cao
Cao, an infamous warmonger, andhis son, cao Chong, in the year
208, dies at the young age of13.
But his family scrambled tofind him a wife in death,
settling on the deceased singledaughter of a person in the zen
(14:33):
clan, and so a ritualisticwedding was performed.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They were buried together that in hopes that
maybe if they didn't know eachother in life, they would get
along well in death I don't knowif I think that that's like a
cute, um, like cultural thing tolike bring yourself peace, or
if it's really fucking creepyweird.
So I don't know how I feelbring the living piece.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But the whole thing is like they believe that the
energies exist on after deathand it was shameful to not be
married, so they didn't want thefamily to be brought shame.
Oh well then I definitely don'tlike it.
It's yeah, it's a littledifferent.
Even more different is there'salso times where a living person
was married to a dead person.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Here's what I don't like about this is it's just the
fact that we're saying it'sshameful because you're not
married.
You died at fucking 13.
Right, that's.
How is that shameful to your?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
family, and then again 13 was probably old back
in, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I mean maybe, but I'm just saying you died right.
You didn't have the opportunityto be married, so I don't
understand how it can beshameful to your family.
That just kind of pisses me off.
It does.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
All right, well, you can be pissed off at the ancient
Chinese, but sometimes it was aliving and a dead person.
That's even fucking weirder.
That would be like, a lot oftimes, the ghost marriage.
Again, it was to get around theshame.
Um.
It was also, though, to carryon family names, so like if a
son died before he was able tooh, yeah, yeah, have children
(16:07):
marry off, and then the nameyeah, and then her children
would carry his last name.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Now it gets a little dicey, but her children aren't
from him.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yep, but she has his name, so the family lives on I
know.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So then, what happens to the person that she actually
has children with?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
His family name doesn't get to go on so a lot of
time they were adopted, oh,okay, or sometimes they were
stand-ins yes.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'll accept the adoption.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What I love about it, though, is like the ceremony
for this wasn't any differentthan a real wedding, so there
would be cake, gifts, ceremonies, receptions.
It does become illegal in 1949,which is, in all honesty, not
that long ago because there wasa lot of corpse thieving
starting to happen.
Why do you need the corpse?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't really know, but apparently it was happening
enough that they made it illegal, although there are rumors that
it still occurs.
Body snatching in general isjust so wild.
We should talk about that.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It would just smell so bad.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So bad.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Okay.
So our next country, though,that also practices this is the
country of Sudan, where ghostmarriages are actually still all
the rage.
Um, it's in just a specificpart of the country with the
newer people and uer.
When a man dies in sudan priorto being married, a ghost
marriage is almost alwaysperformed, and often a
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non-deceased brother will standin for the groom.
So in sudan, okay, wealth canonly be held by the male of the
family yep and if there'smultiple brothers, the like the
oldest has to get married first,take his portion of the wealth
and then go down the line.
So if the oldest one dies, theexisting one just gets to
(17:48):
basically pretend to be him, um,and and the children are
recognized to be of the deceasedgroom's lineage, not the
brother's.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Why do you have to pretend to be him?
Just give the fucking money tothe living brother.
Why do we have to pretend to beour dead brother?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't know.
Okay, Listen, I'm not knockingany of his culture.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It does not make sense to me and I don't
understand that.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
One of the other things, though, that a lot of
the women in Sudan will do,right Like if they have, like, a
partner who died and they don'twant to lose the wealth they
already have, they will getremarried to just a ghost,
because then the ghost is incontrol of the wealth and they
are the administrator of it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Because that makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Listen their wealth is also only measured in cows,
and ghosts can obviously havecows.
It makes a lot.
If this doesn't make sense toyou, the rest of this episode
angle makes sense to you.
I'll promise you that right now.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I mean it doesn't make sense, but it's just.
It seems idiotic to me.
I understand it's a culturalthing and it's not our culture,
so we will not get it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But and we probably shouldn't call it idiotic before
we get canceled- I just itseems idiotic to me.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I'm not saying it is.
It just seems idiotic Like I'mgoing to pretend to marry a dead
person to be the administratorof money.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
At least there is logic here.
Okay, we're going to get tosome stories where there ain't
any logic.
Okay, our last country thatdoes this, india.
So they do a lot of practicingof deceased marriages, but
they're seen as more symbolic atleast, rather than real, in a
practice called Preva KalyanamProbably murdered that.
(19:32):
So you know, india alreadybelieves in like a lot of
arranged marriages, and thatthese arrangements were made in
heaven to be chosen by people onearth, or not chosen, but to be
carried out by people on earthright.
So, before their bodies evenenter the world, the heavens
already know who they'resupposed to marry.
Marriage, marry again.
The marriages are done in thesame, like typical celebrations,
(19:53):
as human marriages.
Most of the time, these ones,though, do involve two people
who are already passed, usuallyyoung, in their childhood or
teens.
Tradition rose from the beliefthat life is incomplete without
marriage and that the soul of anunmarried departed family
member may wander on withoutrest, and not only without rest,
but because they were sorestless it would actually
(20:16):
create bad luck and have badthings happen to their family.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I can get down on that one I figured this would
get you.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
So their souls are wandering in search of peace.
Once they have that marriagethat was arranged for them, that
they weren't able to get whilethey were on the planet, it
would kind of put the soul torest and bring good luck to the
family and let them live ontogether in the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I can get down on that one.
I like that one.
I like that one because it'snot like oh my God, the living
is like I'm disgraced because mydead loved one couldn't be
married.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
This is kind of like you're doing it for your loved
one's soul, like hopefully theyfind companionship and they can
be happy the thing here that waskind of interesting to me and
this just shows, like, how muchthey still think about their
families after they pass and allthat sort of stuff.
So a lot of these happen yearsand years and years after both
partners are dead.
So like the longest one they'vehad was almost 30 years.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Is it just because they wait for them to get like a
certain age, or just becausethey find somebody that's
fitting?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Like they just finally found that fitting
person.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
See, I kind of like that, to be completely honest,
because I feel like a lot ofcultures are good at like what
you, exactly what you just said,like they they're remembering
the dead for a very long time,like they're not just forgetting
it.
I feel like no shade to whitepeople.
Sometimes we're just likesomebody died and they died
throw them in the ground, wemove on.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yep, get over it pretty much.
You get a little bit to grieve.
If you're really lucky, you getthree weeks off of work uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
But a lot of cultures are like they celebrate.
You know they're.
I don't know if it's likeconsidered their death
anniversary or they celebratethem on their birthday.
Still, they do like all theselike things, like all the time
to just have like remembrance,which I actually think is really
cool.
We should do more of that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I know I have like a couple of things up on my altar
for family members, but I dowant to build like an ancestral.
Separate from this one.
That's something we should.
We should.
We should do a how to guide onit.
Separate from this one.
That's something we should.
We should.
We should do a how-to guide onit, who?
Okay, so we've talked aboutsome of the traditional ghost
marriages, um, but there arepeople still practicing
spectrophilia in a little lesstraditional ways.
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Do you want some stories?
I do, I really do okay, first isthe story of amanda te.
So Amanda is a 52-year-oldpsychic medium from Northern
Ireland.
Okay, she lives a prettyinteresting life, because if
being a medium is not enough,you know, speaking with the dead
for fun, she is also a JackSparrow impersonator, like from
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Pirates of the Caribbean.
I've definitely heard of thiswoman, mm-hmm.
So she was down on her luck inthe business of finding a
partner, but that all changedwhen her soulmate showed up.
So, in 2014, while laying inbed, amanda is visited by a
spirit, the spirit of a300-year-old ghost, of a Haitian
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man, mm-hmm.
Okay, even though he's 300years old and he's Haitian, he
lets her know that his name is,oddly, jack, you know, like Jack
Sparrow, totally normal.
So he was particularly drawn toher because, you see, in his
life he was actually a 19thcentury pirate who also suffered
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from loneliness Because he wasleft at the altar before
ultimately being executed forleading a life of thievery.
Okay, okay, how are we feelingabout Amanda and her lover so
far?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I just keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
This is as normal as it gets, okay, I know.
So she's visited by Jack.
She learns more of his story.
They start to form a connection.
The connection turns into aspark and that spark turns into
deeply developed feelings forone another.
In an interview with Peoplemagazine, amanda says this was
about six months ofcommunication so I finally
accepted it.
Obviously we had spent a lot oftime together.
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So six months of talking toJack.
They became official.
Oh, wow, how cute, by the way,she's a mother of five who is
previously married too, so shehas a lot of family that maybe
should have talked to her aboutthis a little bit.
I don't know.
So she goes on to say I washorrified to discover I had
romantic feelings for him,having never heard of that
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before.
It's almost like falling forsomebody forbidden, like a
friend's husband.
She said I tried to ignore itbut it wouldn't go away.
So they did what any couplewould do and they have
completely normal dates.
They would watch tv and moviesand go on long drives together
uh, what a very um well-adjustedwoman.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, her example uh like what did she say?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
they would go on.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, no like her example of like falling in love
with your friend's husband, it'sa forbidden love.
That's because that bitch hadfallen in love with one of her
friend's husbands.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Oh yeah, no, she speaks from experience, for sure
.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, you don't use that example.
That's such a specific example.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Listen.
Okay, she got a little bit morecomfortable with it over time
At least it wasn't her livingfriend's husband, and she's
quoted saying I did someresearch and found out that it's
a real thing and there's lotsof people in spiritual
relationships, but not manypeople like to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Can I ask you, in the research that she did, did she
actually research this Haitianpirate to see if he was a real
human?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I couldn't find much on that.
She just trusted him, okay,okay.
Things start to heat up betweenthe two.
They start to have a moreintimate and sexual relationship
.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Not sure how that works, but Amanda seemed pretty
satisfied, or at least partially, because she wanted more, you
know, and by more I mean amarriage Merge.
So she states growing up inIreland in my era you were
taught that if a man bedded youhe should wed you.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
She's saying If a man bedded you, he should wed you.
Can we put that on a shirt?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, oh my God, it just reminds me of Grease.
Won't go to bed till I'mlegally wet, I can't.
I was, I thought, for sure youwould get that one or pull that
one out, okay.
So she goes on to say I knewfrom my research that spiritual
marriage was the thing, so itwas more me that wanted to get
married to him.
He would have been happy, likemost men, with just sex.
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Well, one thing leads toanother, and Jack eventually
proposes to Amanda Couldn'tfigure out how he did that.
They finally do get married toeach other, though in a private
ceremony in international watersoff the coast of England,
because this is the only placewhere it wasn't specifically
illegal.
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Amanda, along with her fivechildren and close family and
friends, get married at aceremony in 2015.
She does bring in anotherpsychic medium.
Okay, to allow jack to speakthrough her, and he did say I do
, but she couldn't put a ring onhis finger, so she put it on a
candle to symbolically representhis finger.
(27:09):
Uh, she said jack wasrepresented, represented by a
Jolly Roger skull and crossbonesflag.
He specifically, or hisspecifically designed wedding
ring, was placed on a candle ashe could not present a hand on
which it could be placed.
She sounds really well adjustedto me.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
What does her family think?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, her family and friends were there, so they at
least supported it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I don't.
Ok.
I want to start by saying Ialready have more before I.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh no, we're only halfway through her.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
No, no For her story.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Oh yeah, no, there's plenty more.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I was just going to say that I'm not.
I don't not believe this.
I want to just clarify thatwhat is unbelievable to me is
the lengths that this woman thenwent I think she's completely
delusional if you're gonna haveyour little relationship, that's
fine, but yeah.
But what I was also gonna sayis did anyone help her as long
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as far as, like, maybe mentalhealth, like, is she okay
because she does get better?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
so did they get divorced?
Uh, she would just stop talking.
Okay, so, um, after the weddingshe got mixed reviews.
She said that the reaction wasquite shocking.
Really, in this day and ageit's cool to be whatever, or so
you think, but apparently we'renot yet open-minded enough in
society to accept relationshipsbetween us and other realms.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
What year was this?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Uh, 2015.
Oh, okay.
So unfortunately, as youassumed, ghost marriages can
suffer the same pitfalls asregular marriages and
unfortunately for Amanda, shedoes not get her fairytale
ending with Jack, so she cameback into the spotlight in 2018.
With this quote, so I feel it'stime to let everyone know that
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my marriage is over.
She says in the Irish mirror.
I will explain all in duecourse, but for now, all I want
to say is to be very carefulwhen dabbling in spirituality.
It's not something to mess with.
Shortly after the wedding, herhealth begins to deteriorate.
She starts to suffer fromabscesses, sepsis and cirrhosis
(29:19):
Sucking the life out of her.
Well, to me those all soundlike the similar symptoms of, uh
, a drinking problem.
But you know, it was definitelyjack.
Yeah, it only took about four orfive months yeah right only
took about four or five monthsinto the marriage before she
realized things were goingdownhill.
So this is it really struck hernot only when her health was
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declining, but when her dog tobydied.
See, toby didn't like jack andhe was always very aggressive
towards jack's spirit andeventually ultimately died
suspiciously so if your animalis suspicious of a spirit, you
should listen to your animalabsolutely.
If your animal is suspicious ofanybody, now jack and amanda do
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continue to be intimate, evenafter toby and her deteriorating
health.
Um, she states I had never hadthese abscesses before I was
with jack, so she stopped havingsex with him to see if it made
a difference, and apparently itdid and she started to heal up a
little bit.
So she decides she needs to dosomething and she wants to
deliberate with her board ofspirit advisors.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And when she finally gets through to them, they let
her know that they've beentrying to reach her for a long
time and Jack has actuallypossessed her and has been
stealing her energy.
Ding, ding, ding Another pointfor Kara, I guess in the next
part.
So she confronts her husbandand he threatens to kill her if
she attempts to leave him.
Uh, she's quoted saying he wasbasically like an energy vampire
(30:45):
.
He wanted to continue livingthrough my body isn't that a
succubus?
yeah, well, a succubus is um afemale.
Yeah, it is.
I can't remember what the nameof it is when it's a male
succubus.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh, it's gonna make me mad.
It's succubus and incubusincubus.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Thank you there we go , um okay.
So she eventually does find thecourage to leave him.
She gets divorced, sheexercises him and just
completely cuts him out.
Or, as I like to say, sheghosted him how do you get a
divorce?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
um, does she even have to Because he's like dead?
Well, she, or technically she'snot a real yeah, never mind.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So she does divorce him, she does exercise him.
She says I was stronger thanhim.
Ultimately, I'm proud of what Idid and I'm really proud that I
managed to get my life backtogether and, as a result, she's
made a full recovery from herailments and she's decided to
cut ties with the spiritualworld, no longer practicing
being a medium uh, because she'sjust too terrified of it all I
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hope that her divorce party waslike in practical magic, where
um they're trying to get him outof her and they're all sitting
around a circle I imagine it waspretty much exactly like she's,
like you know, sweating andscreaming and he's like trying
to get out of her and I, Iimagine it's like much exactly
like that, and she's sweatingand screaming and he's trying to
get out of her.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I imagine it's like that.
That's how her divorce partywas, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You also should look up pictures of this woman,
because she looks pretty muchlike what you.
I mean, she was a Jack Sparrowin person.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Okay, I know I've seen her as a I didn't know that
part, but I know what's hername again Amanda, that part,
but I know what's her name againamanda teague, t-a-g-u-e.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay oh,and her wedding is.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She looks beautiful, oh, yeah, she.
She loves the spotlight she gotfor her, though she did
interviews on interviews, oninterviews, so there's a lot out
there on her.
Our next bride, however, is asinger-songwriter from
oxfordshire, england, who goesby the name of brocard.
Okay, but that would be brocardall one word with an e at the
end.
So she is a 41 year old womanwho claims that the spirit of a
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victorian soldier named eduardooh eduardo made a surprise visit
to her bedroom in 2021.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I like Eduardo better than Jack.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right, it's a little more original, eduardo.
I think Amanda made it all up.
Okay, wow.
Brocard, though, notes therewas a stormy night and the
energy was high, and he appearedto her being devilishly
handsome, and the relationshipstarts to blossom.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Do you think that there's an Eduardo that's not
devilishly handsome?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I just think that that name makes you have to be
handsome, that's fair, maybe thebeast from Foster's Home for
Imaginary Friends, but he wascute, okay, anyways, back to
Brocard.
So she describes feelingEduardo's presence, including
sensations like breath on herear and whispers of I love you.
She felt his touch anddeveloped a deep emotional
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connection which she found morefulfilling than previous human
relationships.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Eduardo getting it done.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Right, except their relationship wasn't without its
rough patches.
So bro card stated that aftershe first went public about the
relationship that he triedghosting her.
But oh but.
She wrote a song about him towin him back and it worked why
did he try to ghost her?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
do we know?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
because he wasn't happy that she went public about
the relationship.
He's cheap.
He wanted to keep it justbetween them yeah, it's because
he's got other bitches?
oh for sure, uh, he states.
Or she states I wrote the songto win eduardo back after he
ghosted me for publiclydisclosing our romance.
I wanted it to express thepassion that I feel within my
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soul ever since meeting eduardo.
Do we have the song?
Oh, you can listen to all ofher songs, uh, and I strongly
urge you to uh, because thisisn't the only song about
eduardo.
So, as the relationshipprogresses, the next step is
obviously again a proposal whichcame again from our deceased
groom.
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So, according to bro card, sherecounts waking up and finding a
floral diamond ring on her bedone day, and her bathroom mirror
was fogged with steam from theshower and it was written the
words Will you marry me A floraldiamond ring?
Yeah, I don't what?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
does that mean I?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
think the metal was like floral work and the
diamonds were oh, okay, okay,okay.
Okay, she accepts.
And in 2022, the couple aremarried at the Asylum Chapel in
Peckham, london, on Halloweennight Wow, she was looking very
Wednesday Addams with abeautiful black dress.
Okay, and this one was attendedby the living friends family
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again but also the dead attendedas well.
And Eduardo invited some verynotorious guests, including
Marilyn Manson and Elvis he hadsome connections guests
including Marilyn Manson andElvis.
He had some connections, sothey're getting married in front
of this beautiful crowd,Marilyn and Elvis included Is
Marilyn Manson dead.
Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You said Marilyn Manson.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh my God, I mean Monroe, not Manson.
I'm sure though he was probablythere in the living.
I was like Marilyn.
Oh, my God Again.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Marilyn Monroe and Elvis.
I was like wait, he, oh my god,again.
Marilyn monroe and elvis.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I was like wait, he died not.
I'm glad we clarified thatthat's gonna make the next part
make a lot of sense.
So they had some issues on thewedding night itself.
Um, she says eduardo justcouldn't resist winding me up
and made an inappropriatecomment about marilyn looking
hot.
I was like really, it's ourwedding day.
The comment completely ruinedmy evening.
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Wow, but they still decide tomove forward with the honeymoon,
where, she states, the wholetrip just seemed to get worse
and worse.
She claimed that Eduardowrestled her to the ground on a
beach as she tried to bepassionate and romantic with him
, but she just ended up beingcovered in her own ice cream
when she tried to share herdessert with him.
(36:42):
What the fuck?
She said that the honeymoon wassupposed to be amazing, but her
unpredictable husband ruinedthe trip.
He's a ghost because not onlywas he rough with her, he was
cheap.
Well, he's a ghost, whichexplains the cheapness.
She went on to say eduardoobviously doesn't have a bank
card, so it's always me that hasto pick up the tab everywhere
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we visit.
And he certainly likes to gowild in our hotel room mini bars
.
So he's drinking up all theliquor, drinking it all through
the mini bars.
She said the liquor bottlesalways mysteriously left empty.
Okay.
So they make it through thehoneymoon, though, but holidays
can be a difficult time forspirits.
So around christmas, she said,things haven't gotten any better
(37:28):
, says brocard, who released asingle in 22 around christmas
time, uh called.
It's christmas again, whichdetails what it's like to be the
wife of a ghost at christmastime.
Her quotes keep coming.
Eduardo is really jealous atchristmas.
I've tried every day this weekto put the christmas tree up,
but he just keeps knocking itover.
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Why?
I god only knows.
He's probably drinking the minibar again.
So apparently, though, they'reunable to make things work in
the long term and in 2023,brocard states.
He grew increasingly moreaggressive and nasty and began
to haunt me with the sound of ascreaming baby.
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I concluded that the only wayto get rid of eduardo was to
exercise him, so I embarked onthe harrowing process in the
chapel we got married in.
After hours, he was finallypurged from my system.
I felt light and free andexcited to be released of his
troubled spirit.
She has since released anothersong called Just Another Anthem,
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which contains all the detailsof the split.
Please go listen to all threeof these songs.
The music video oh no includes areenacting of the demonic
evictions with the accompanyinglyrics toss the bouquet to a
bride a day.
Celebrate the hate we invite toplay.
I'm divorcing the line of yourdecay.
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You've taken me to my knees.
Let's play shut so since theexorcism and divorce, though,
she's lived a much more joyfullife, and she concludes by
saying I haven't felt hispresence or seen him.
The whole energy has shiftedand life feels more light and
joyful.
I am quite adamant that I nolonger want to be haunted by
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eduardo, so his presence isn'twelcome in my life.
Boom bitch.
So now we have two stories ofbudding love, marriage and
divorce, all in the spiritualrealm, which, like, if it's
happening in, even gettingmarried to ghosts.
I don't want marriage.
I think I'm good, I'll just besingle.
Okay, I know we're alreadygetting kind of long, but I'm
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not done yet I didn't think youwere I went to reddit, baby, so
we have two stories, uh, andthese are much shorter, um.
The first one is from bathroomnumber 3588, who writes I'm in a
romantic relationship with aghost and nobody believes me oh
god starting off strong, thenthis is a throwaway account
(40:02):
because I don't want to beharassed or anything.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
What we met not too long ago I was gonna say what
subreddit is this on?
Oh it doesn't matter if youdon't know, I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Have it linked above?
Um, I cannot remember, thoughthat's okay.
We met not too long ago.
He had been occupying my newapartment and I first saw him
the night I moved in.
I smelled something absolutelyhorrid in the bedroom and was
looking everywhere for thesource.
The smell got stronger and thenI saw him.
At first he looked like just aball of light passing by my eyes
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, just a dust particle, but astime went on he began to trust
me.
His form became morerecognizable.
He has no legs, only a tail.
He's transparent and emits asoft blue glow.
I'm pretty sure she's datingCasper Soft blue glow and a tail
.
Hey, but Casper was hot.
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That's an interesting take.
He's like a child.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, he's like a teenage boy and when I watched
it I was a teenage girl.
He's hot, Fair.
Everybody had a crush on Casper.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I definitely did not.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You don't remember the original Casper, the movie
the actor?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Oh, like before he was a ghost.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't remember what he looks like, but I thought
you were talking about the bluething with the tail.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean he was adorable, you and bathroom
number 3588, would get alonggreat.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I was never afraid of him, but I was curious.
I think he saw that I wasn'tafraid and that's what made him
interact with me in anon-threatening way.
The first time he talked to mewas surprising.
He had a heavy Brooklyn accent,sort of like you'd hear in an
old TV show.
He told me about his self.
His name is Stanley and he diedin the early 70s via hanging in
the very apartment I was livingin.
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He even showed me the exactspot.
It was unnerving, but insteadof fear I felt mostly sad.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
See, I want these people to actually do the
research.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I know he would show up nightly at first and we would
talk for a bit.
Then, as we grew closer, hewould manifest during the day
too.
Once you get over the initialstrangeness of it all, you stop
viewing them as a ghost and justsee them as another person.
I think that's when I startedto fall in love with him.
I was able to see hispersonality and quirks and we
were just so damn compatible.
I didn't tell him about myfeelings for a while because I
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had no idea how he would feel,but when I eventually did
confess, he seemed excited.
He said he felt the same way.
I eventually did confess.
He seemed excited.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
He said he felt the same way and that was just the
start of our love.
I just I'm not saying that thiscannot happen because if
everything else goes related,like people literally have
friendships with ghosts True,I'm not saying that it can't
happen.
I mean, like every time we goto Eloise they say, oh, we
missed you, you're back.
Like I'm not saying I will saythis story.
I mean, look at, every time wego to Eloise they say, oh, we
missed you, you're back.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Like I'm not saying I will say this story to me seems
at least a little bit morelegit than our last two.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Correct.
I do think that maybe the lasttwo, perhaps still getting to
the point where you're likegoing to different countries or
whatever, traveling around toget married to like ghosts that
I do think that there might be,it's a bit much.
I think there might be somedrinking or some mental things
we gotta work towards, but I'mnot saying this stuff can't
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happen and there's.
This process isn't from drinking, it's from the spirit sex there
are so many stories, though,that you can deep dive into of
just like this type of stuffhappening, like not necessarily
relationships, but just thingshappening where it's like I.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
This is one of the first times I didn't have to go
digging for reddit stories.
I had to pick oh yeah, giantstack.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Okay, but to continue on this, no, no, we're not done
with this one, okay, okay uh,she said we're just like any
other couple really.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
The only difference is his ghostly form does make
things a little strange.
Sex is exciting, for example,but it can take a while to get
used to how cold it is, comparedto sex with a human.
Oh yeah, it's sometimes sadthat I can't feel the warmth
from him physically, but I feelit in my heart and that's more
than I could ever ask for.
You can call me crazy orwhatever.
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I've been called all the thingsand more.
My mom tried to get me admittedto a psych ward when I told her
about Stanley.
Oh, our relationship was nevergreat, but that sealed it for me
.
We don't talk anymore.
My friends are a bit moreaccepting, although they don't
seem to actually believe heexists either.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
He's very shy around most people, so bringing them to
the apartment would reallyprove anything.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I don't hold that against him, though I don't hold
that against him, though Iwouldn't trust people either, if
I had gone through what he didin this life.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
No Stanley needs to come forward and prove himself
Right.
Be the man.
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
It's kind of the duty of the spirit partner to help
your friends.
Not think you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I mean you're saying, I mean she's, she, I think, is
saying that her mom and herdon't have a good relationship.
So that's fine, you don't haveto put shit to her.
But to the friends though thatare like on the board, like
their borderline, like theybelieve her, but they're
probably like I don't reallyknow what to do with this.
So I'm just going to believeyou.
You can prove yourselfAbsolutely.
Do something, Stanley, Come on.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Come on, Stanley, God damn it.
Stanley Gives a whole differentmeaning to flat Stanley, eh,
Okay.
The last one is much shorter.
This is from Infrashell and shesays I have a ghost boyfriend.
I've always been interested inthe paranormal and wanted to
experience more, and now I havea ghost boyfriend.
In April of this year I metsomebody who had a lot of death
surrounding them.
Let's just call him Alex.
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It was odd, but I felt anextreme pull to help him and an
extreme pull to use a Ouijaboard with him.
In the past I've never messedwith a board and, honestly, I've
always been a little bitfrightened.
Still, I knew I had to try itout with this particular
individual Barely anacquaintance, I hate that word.
I invited Alex back to myapartment so we could just try
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using the board.
During the session, the nameChad came through.
Chad, Stunned Alex, explainedthat a friend of his died a few
years back and his name was Chad.
I knew essentially nothingabout Alex's deceased friend and
watched as Alex and Chad talkedto each other through the board
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.
Alex had never been into theparanormal and was sitting next
to me, shocked, exclaiming thatit was his friend, Alex, and I
began to be able to feel Chad'spresence in my home, and Alex
explained being able to feelChad's hands on his shoulders
for comfort.
I felt similar sensations and aclear presence.
Following this session, myextreme pull towards Alex
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started to dissipate, but in thedays later I still noticed
sensing Chad's presence.
I could still feel him and knewwhen he was around.
Days turn into weeks, weeksturn into months and to this day
Chad is still with me.
I talk to him through the boardsemi-regularly and have found
that I can sense his feelingsand thoughts, as well as his
touch.
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We've become very close andhave a physical relationship as
well.
Chad likes feet and enjoystouching mine while I'm occupied
doing other things.
He also tells me I'm beautifuland that he loves me.
Sometimes I even get visionswhere I can see where he is and
what he's doing.
Over time I have learned thenuances of his personality, how
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he likes to communicate hisspelling habits on the board and
what makes him happy.
We've had everything fromlighthearted, joking
conversations to serious talksabout life and, what's important
.
He's even protective.
If I mentioned using the boardsomewhere else, which he clearly
tells me not to do, some of myfriends believe me, but at the
same time it can be hard not toquestion my own beliefs.
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Yet I have noticed my own tiesstrengthening to him over time
as I sense him more and moreeasily.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Okay, number one.
I can't listen to the name chadwithout getting distracted, and
it reminds me of tom green'scharacter from charlie's angels
I just hate that name in general.
I've actually never seencharlie's angels, though it's
actually a really that one's areally good movie.
Uh, sam rockwell's in it.
He's hot as hell, but anyway,um, tom green plays chad and
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he's just like a dorky character.
But he's's like is it?
Is it the Chad, the Chad?
And he's like it's just TomGreen, so you can.
But anyway, number two here'sthe thing about these two last
stories.
Again, I'm not saying I don'tbelieve in these.
I do think that these two soundmore likely than the first two
that you explained.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
But here's my thing Chad and Stanley, you need to
show yourself to other peoplethan just I agree that's kind of
like their duty in thisrelationship but number two um,
I feel really bad for thesepeople.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Are they both girls?
I'm gonna sit, we're assuming,yes, whatever these people, it
doesn't matter what they are,because you're ruining your life
, whether you think, whetherthis is real or not.
Hey, if they're happy, thenthey're happy.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They are because you're ruining your life,
whether you think whether thisis real or not.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Hey, if they're happy , then they're happy, I know,
but you're never going to havelike a quote unquote normal life
and you're literally just goingto be so.
This person is going to belocked up in their apartment all
the time because you can't takethat board anywhere else and
you can only talk to him in yourapartment.
You're literally not livingyour life.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I agree with you there.
But at least these two seemgenuine, where the first two
stories I feel like those arelike they're just looking for
attention.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
They're going to so many news sources and all that
for sure I'm I'm just saying, ifI'm going to believe all of
these stories, I'm just sayingthese are bad relationships to
be in because it's a littletoxic.
You're literally gonna gomental.
Oh yeah, because you're gomental, oh yeah, because you're,
if they aren't already notgoing to.
You're not right, but you're notdoing anything.
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So you're just going to sit inyour apartment and be like
talking through this board.
You're not going to have anyrelationships Like.
Your friends are probably goingto end up dropping you because,
not because I think you'recrazy, but because if you're not
leaving your house and youcan't do that know what I mean?
Like I don't know, I kind offeel bad, okay.
So let me ask you this questionwould I still marry heath
leisure?
Speaker 2 (49:36):
would you ever have a ghost marriage?
Actually, no.
What if since we're on thetopic of chad's chad michael
murray dies one day?
He comes to you through aspirit board and wants you to be
in a relationship with him.
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (49:49):
I'm gonna be in a relationship with chad, michael
murray all right, so you'll bein a relationship with Chad.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Michael Murray All right, so you'll be in a
relationship with Chad.
That's fine.
My computer is about to explode.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
But also, why would we wish death on him?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
That's so I didn't say we wish death.
I said what if one day he diesand comes to you through a
spirit board?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It's hypothetical I will be in a relationship with
him.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
All right, perfect.
Well, that's what onspectrophilia and marriages from
beyond the grave.
Except, I want to leave you onelast quote from the top of a
Reddit thread oh, boy.
Somebody's comment on therejust made me.
I love this.
It was love knows no bounds,not even the veil between the
living and the dead, with alittle smiley face.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I mean, you know, at least they're getting some
support from Redditors.
That's amazing.
Again, I am not saying thatthese are not real, because I do
think that this shit happens.
I really do.
Energy is energy, baby.
It's weird.
But do I think that you need tohave full blown relationships?
No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I think there's healthier outlets.
I think there's some loneliness, some delusion and especially
in one of our friends cases withthe cirrhosis, I think there
was some drinking well and theother one with the mini bar
bottles, whatever yeah, I thinkthey were both drinking.
I think they were both.
There was, there were somespirits and the one just listen
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they just have cats yeah, makessense okay well, that's what I
got for you.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
what emoji should we leave for this?
Is there like a wedding emoji?
Is there?
Isn't there like a dove?
Like a wedding dove that haslike the flowers?
Isn't that supposed to be likea wedding thing?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Let's go with that.
One In a coffin.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Oh, okay, yeah, so two emojis.
Yes, oh, my God, I know.
I just remember what I wasgoing to tell you at the top.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Oh, let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Okay, so you know, I have on my porch, I have that
hanging fern.
Yes, I'm gonna send you a video.
I took a video of this littlesparrow and it's been chilling.
It'll, is it jack?
No, I have.
I have string lights and it'llbop.
It'll hang on, the stringlights bop back forth.
I think I might have beentelling you.
You did tell me it'll bop backand forth.
Um, and it's so cute tolisteners because I sat there at
like midnight for like 30minutes watching this little
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bird bop back and forth fromeach of the string lights and
it's just the cutest littlething.
I was having so much fuckingfun and now I am a proud grandma
of four little eggs in my fern.
So I am just trying to decide ifI'm just going to let the fern
die or if I can water around thenest.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
I mean, they're not born yet, right?
No, Water around it becausenests get rained on.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I know, but I just feel bad.
I don't want to scare thelittle mama away.
Yeah, I don't think she'sgetting scared away, though
She'd be there all the time.
Hey, you're one step closer toyour crows.
I know there all the time.
Hey, you're one step closer toyour crows.
I know they're around.
They're every morning.
They're in the fucking frontyard.
They just won't come hang outwith me.
Yet they will.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
All right, so leave the dove and leave the coffin,
and if you've ever been in arelationship with a ghost, tell
us about it if you've ever beenin a relationship with a ghost,
call us and maybe call atherapist.
We'll help you find one.
Perfect, all right.
What else do these folks needto?
Speaker 1 (52:56):
do before we close the shop up thank you for being
here and listening to theseweird fucking stories.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Thanks for supporting the fucking idiocracy of us
there's worse things to researchon a Monday night, all right,
so keep doing that.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Thank you, we appreciate you, love you and the
most important thing you can dofor us is to creep a really
little ad balls.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Goodbye, thank you At the IE shop.
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The door's always open At theIE shop.
I want to dance with the mothman at the ID shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IDshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe ID shop.
The door's always open at theID shop.
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Welcome back to the Oddity Shoppodcast, the podcast where we
tell you creepy, odd words,strange stories from around the
globe.
You said word, word.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Strange.
You know what?
Let's try that again.
No, I like it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Keep it all in.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's fun.
You know what?
If you're new here, welcome tothe shit show.
If you're not new here, heygirl, you're not surprised by
any of this.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
God, all right.
Who are you?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Zachary.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh, and I'm Cara today.
Yeah, is it the opposite day?
Sure, the coolest curators youknow.
Okay, so I finally broke downand I did it and I have
purchased gender affirming carefor myself.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh, I know, and as of this week, I am officially on
minoxidil for my thinning hair.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Isn't that what you didn't want to take?
Yes, it is Okay, but I havetried three different natural
products for over a year at thispoint and it's only getting
worse.
So I am going to give theactual medication a try.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, Give me back my .
What is it called?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Grow.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, it's not called that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's literally called the GRO.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The one I gave you.
Yeah, no, it's not.
It's no, it's not.
It's company name starts with av, but yeah, yeah, but yeah,
the product is called grow.
No, I know, but I meant theproduct name because everybody
knows it.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Give it back to me, okay come get it, unless you're
gonna use it.
I don't want to put like toomany different products in there
, so I still have my othernatural stuff that I'm still
using.
But I got like the derma rollerand everything just be careful
with that catch me in a year.
I'm gonna be full head again.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I know, but just be careful with derma rollers.
Are you talking about?
What does it look like?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's the one with like all the little pins on it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, that's very, very dangerous.
Be very careful, make sureyou're cleaning it.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It gets soaked in alcohol.
Watch a lot of videos, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I know, but that is just like derma planing and
everything is so bad for youLike just thanks mom because all
you need is an infection onyour head and then you lose.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
There you are there's not much left to lose up there.
Oh, honestly, a scab might lookbetter at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You are such a dork um, okay, so that's good for you
.
I'm glad, because otherwise wecould just go to turkey though
yeah, it's a little, so I didtry.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
just I didn't get the full prescription because
honestly I didn't want the otherdrug that they put in it, the
finasteride or whatever becausethat has some serious side
effects.
So I got the over the counterlight version.
I'm going to try it for alittle while.
If it doesn't work, damn it.
We're saving up for that Turkeyvacation.
I don't know these people, buta couple YouTubers that I watch.
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They have podcasts but theytalk about a lot that both went
and it's like you would neverknow.
It looks great.
So it looks great after acouple months.
I love that.
I know we've talked about onhere, but I just love that
picture of everyone coming backon the flight from Turkey to US
and they all have just likesuper swollen heads from the
pressure changes Ridiculous.
Oh my God, it'll be me one day.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, I had something to tell you or talk about, but
now I'm like wait the hair.
I just didn't know that's whatwe were going to be talking
about Turkey, what the fuck wasI talking about?
Oh, this is not what I wasgoing to say, but this is.
We have some very intuitivelisteners, because when we were
dropping hints for Lauren'sepisode, people guessed it
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without even the hint.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I know they did good.
Also appreciate the engagementon that one.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was wild.
And as of recording this, theepisode hasn't even come out yet
and I still have one more dayof hints, but people already
guessed it.
They guessed it on the day thatI said I'm going to be giving
you guys hints starting tomorrow.
They already guessed it thatday, but I didn't tell anybody.
They're correct.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I'm like like I don't know.
I did the same thing on thetiktok.
I saw that so I thought thatwas so fun.
On her episode, though, westill need to write in.
So questions for lauren, or ifyou want her to read your story
on a future episode, send themto us she'd come back, so we
gotta give her some stuff tocome back.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Uh, what else was I gonna say?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think that might have been it um, oh, did I tell
you about, with all the yardwork that I was doing, that
random hole in my front yardthat I've been trying to figure
out what it was?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
no, is it a mole or rabbit?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
it's a chipmunk oh little chipper I've been sitting
on the front porch when I getdone with my walks just to like
see if I could see it right, andI kind of like sit behind the
bush and this little little Ialmost called him a bad name,
but it is really annoyingbecause he's tunneling under my,
yeah, but he came like runningout of nowhere and went to like
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jump in the hole but thenrealized I'm three feet away
from it and we're just staringat each other.
This dude's cheeks, oh is there, we're so puffed out like he.
I don't know how he wasn'tbursting or didn't drop any of
that food when he saw me and wejust had this stare down.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You guys could become friends.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Except okay.
So the same thing happened inmy parents' house, and then
their cement started settlingbecause the chipmunks were
getting under there.
So I need to figure out asolution.
I want to try, though, to find,like, a humane solution.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
They do have like repellent that's not harmful,
like I did that around theperimeter for like the bunnies
because they were really tearingup my yard until I was going to
kill them all.
So they do have where you'renot going to kill them, so you
could do I don't want him to die.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, no, no, I don't want him.
Yeah, I have had enoughproblems with critters in this
damn house.
Yeah, there's squirrels in mywalls if you know, you know, um,
yeah, that she performed thatrecently because phineas and
ferb is now back oh, is that?
I thought it was just like atone of her shows, nope so they
are.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They rebooted it, so it is back, which is actually
exciting because I loved thatcartoon and they didn't actually
never really watched it.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I've watched it like once or twice with uh like
younger kids, oh yeah it's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I well, I was a nanny so we she was like her favorite
show.
But um, yeah, they rebooted it.
It's all the same voice actors,everybody came back, so it's
like authentic and they're notlike changing anything, which is
cool what was the cartoon?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
that was like past, when we were kids, but probably
like the time you would havebeen babysitting or nannying.
That was like two birds, like ablue jay and a red bird, and
they like worked at a summercamp and like their manager was
a gumball machine.
What it was like.
I remember watching it withyounger kids and there were so
many jokes there that I'm like I, because I don't think that was
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a kid's cartoon.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I think it was probably like adult swim or
something regular show that'sprobably like an adult swim no,
it was I've never watched ithold on.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's a regular show for kids.
Oh, top thing it says no, itwas not considered appropriate
for young children, but it wason like it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Adult swim is just on like midday tv isn't that wild
that this just popped into mybrain.
And then obviously we have toget going.
But adult swim what a fuckingconcept.
Because why was it on cartoonright, cartoon network?
Yeah, but it was just likefucking concept.
Because why was it on cartoonnetwork?
Right, cartoon network?
Yeah, but it was just like at10 o'clock it switched over like
we weren't gonna watch it ohyeah, no, I watched every.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Those were that's where all the good shit was a
bad call.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, probably why our generation is so screwed up
just because it said adults, Iknow, yeah, I know, okay, well
with that uplifting note aboutus all being screwed up, I got a
really screwed up episode foryou.
Okay, this is screwed up.
Sorry, it just came to my brain.
I was going to tell you aboutit.
When I was at the wedding,Dustin was there and his wife,
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Manda, just casually at dinnerwe were talking about everyone
at the table was talking aboutthe podcast and she's just, like
my grandma, murdered my grandpathe podcast and she's just like
.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
My grandma murdered my grandpa.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
What I was like, manda, you didn't get her to
write down the story on a napkin?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
no, I told her to email it and she said, okay, you
better follow up with her theywere like mafia ties.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But she poisoned him.
Aqua tifana, that's what I said.
I said, oh, it was either bella, was it bella donna?
And then she's like I don'tknow.
I said was it aqua tifana?
And everyone at the table'slike what?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
the fuck.
Yeah, get this girl away fromme.
She knows way too much aboutpoison most of them knew me, so
it was fine, fair, okay, uh,okay, are you ready to open the
shop up?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I'm ready.
Do you have a question for me?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I do have a question for you, but I have a statement
first.
Oh, we all know and I want tostart this out by saying this
earnestly that Aaron is amazing.
However, if you could marry,instead of Aaron, anybody dead,
who would it be?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I had an instant answer for alive.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Sorry, that's not the question.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Huh, I can't think of anybody dead.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
There's so many dead people it's hard to pick just
one.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, I've just no one's coming to mind that I
would want to marry, okay.
Well, should I be oh my God,there has to be.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
There's like billions of dead people.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I know, but to marry, yeah, that's not like you don't
just pick it, like that'sdifferent than hanging out with
Okay, let's lower the pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
How about date?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I can't think of anybody who would you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
If anybody me know, betty white, obviously, oh god
damn, I would marry her too.
I was thinking guys oh yeahthis is 2025, at least be a
lesbian.
In our current state of theworld, you can still marry
anybody you want okay, a guy whowould you pick?
um, see, that's hard.
Hmm, oh, anton yelkin.
Who's anton yelkin?
He was in charlie bartlett andhe was in the Star Trek movies
(09:27):
Alpha Dog.
He was just a really cutelittle Russian guy.
I don't know, I'll look it up,but this is going to be.
He was like a super famousactor.
He got this is going to bug meCrushed by his own Jeep.
It was actually really sad.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Oh, I do remember hearing that yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
OK, well, you think about it as it pops into your
head who you would marry.
You just let me know, althoughif you think on it too long,
partway through this episode youmight not want to do that
anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
But oh, Heath Ledger, oh there you go.
Duh, Because in my head he'snot dead.
That one is like when youremember every couple months.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
it is a hard one still, also years later, rip to
michelle trachtenberg.
I know we already talked aboutit, but I would also love her.
She's so cute.
Oh, she's a little baddie.
Okay, all right, ready to getinto it.
Yes, I think I don't fuckingknow.
We know that people fall inlove all the time, most of the
time with people, oh god.
As we've seen on tlc thoughsometimes it's carnival rides,
cars or dolls- I swear to god,but there are those out there,
cara, who still cravetraditional marriage.
However, the one they crave maybe from beyond the grave, so
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we're gonna start this episodeis this relationships of people,
dead people or okay?
We're gonna start it with adefinition that I'm certain
after googling I've been addedto some new database for being a
complete weirdo.
Oh, but spectrophilia is a termused to describe a sexual or
romantic relationship orattraction to ghosts and spirits
(10:58):
.
It's one of the most obscureforms of paraphilia and exists
in both psychological literatureand paranormal lore.
So it's not a firmly or oh myGod, I cannot talk today You're
me.
I was going to say somethinglike you.
Well, not a formally recognizeddiagnosis in the DSM-5.
(11:18):
It is a real concept discussedin fringe psychology, folklore
and pop culture.
So in case you're like me andthought paraphilia had something
to do with the paranormal, itactually doesn't, because
spectrophilia is under theumbrella of paraphilia.
Paraphilia is just anexperience or reoccurring
intense sexual arousal toatypical objects, places,
(11:41):
situations, fantasies, behaviorsor individuals because,
remember, para is just like notnormal right, yeah, I just you
know normal, so it's it makessense.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This is gonna be funny episode, I can feel it,
but oh, it's gonna be a good oneyou would.
You need to start listening totwo girls, one ghost, because
they have the wildest write-insof stories of this shit that
happen to people.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Oh, I got some good ones for you.
Okay, but in case you need itwritten or wrote, oh my God,
read to you.
Like a drug, commercial Effectsof spectrophilia can include
feeling sexually attracted,ghosts or spirit beings, belief
in or experience of sexualencounters with spirits,
romantic relationships withinvisible or supernatural
entities, fantasies involvingthe paranormal or incorporeal
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lovers.
I think I did pretty good.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Okay, you did really good, but I thought I heard
something.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh, that was Reptar.
Okay, reptar is settling in forbed.
Okay, Because I was like whatis that?
Yeah, if you were hearing ascratching noise in the
background it was just my lizard.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh, it's the baby.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Obviously, though, this can be, like you know,
harmless fantasy to deep belief.
If you're anything like me,you're probably thinking of pop
culture references, like themovie ghost scary movie too or
even kesha's song supernatural,which she explained in 2012 is
about sexy experiences with theparanormal that she had um shout
out crazy for swayze podcastthough, because we were on that
and we talked about ghosts Iknow that's what kind of like
(13:07):
even though there was a longtime ago started to kind of get
me down this road which then Ihad to look into the kesha song
a little bit more.
And she, like legit, had amoment with a ghost.
She's quoted in an interviewsaying I don't know his name, he
was a ghost, but I was veryopen to it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Love her leave it to kesha alien singing aliens.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
She's amazing, okay.
So obviously this is somethingthat happens.
We're gonna get into some funstories of it, but first I gotta
hit you with a historical andcultural significance.
Okay, there's actually like alot of this that has happened
through history in differentcultures, so the first being in
china.
They had the practice of minghun, or spirit marriage, so this
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could be a marriage in whicheither one or both parties are
deceased.
It's kind of strange.
Um, it goes all the way back tothe han dynasty, so like 206 bc
to 220 ad, it is now very muchillegal today to practice, but
it kind of comes from thepractice of the yin-yang
philosophy, where energies haveto merge and balance to create
harmony.
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One of the earliest cases ofthis happening is the son of Cao
Cao, an infamous warmonger, andhis son, cao Chong, in the year
208, dies at the young age of13.
But his family scrambled tofind him a wife in death,
settling on the deceased singledaughter of a person in the zen
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clan, and so a ritualisticwedding was performed.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They were buried together that in hopes that
maybe if they didn't know eachother in life, they would get
along well in death I don't knowif I think that that's like a
cute, um, like cultural thing tolike bring yourself peace, or
if it's really fucking creepyweird.
So I don't know how I feelbring the living piece.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But the whole thing is like they believe that the
energies exist on after deathand it was shameful to not be
married, so they didn't want thefamily to be brought shame.
Oh well then I definitely don'tlike it.
It's yeah, it's a littledifferent.
Even more different is there'salso times where a living person
was married to a dead person.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Here's what I don't like about this is it's just the
fact that we're saying it'sshameful because you're not
married.
You died at fucking 13.
Right, that's.
How is that shameful to your?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
family, and then again 13 was probably old back
in, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I mean maybe, but I'm just saying you died right.
You didn't have the opportunityto be married, so I don't
understand how it can beshameful to your family.
That just kind of pisses me off.
It does.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
All right, well, you can be pissed off at the ancient
Chinese, but sometimes it was aliving and a dead person.
That's even fucking weirder.
That would be like, a lot oftimes, the ghost marriage.
Again, it was to get around theshame.
Um.
It was also, though, to carryon family names, so like if a
son died before he was able tooh, yeah, yeah, have children
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marry off, and then the nameyeah, and then her children
would carry his last name.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Now it gets a little dicey, but her children aren't
from him.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yep, but she has his name, so the family lives on I
know.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So then, what happens to the person that she actually
has children with?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
His family name doesn't get to go on so a lot of
time they were adopted, oh,okay, or sometimes they were
stand-ins yes.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'll accept the adoption.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What I love about it, though, is like the ceremony
for this wasn't any differentthan a real wedding, so there
would be cake, gifts, ceremonies, receptions.
It does become illegal in 1949,which is, in all honesty, not
that long ago because there wasa lot of corpse thieving
starting to happen.
Why do you need the corpse?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't really know, but apparently it was happening
enough that they made it illegal, although there are rumors that
it still occurs.
Body snatching in general isjust so wild.
We should talk about that.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It would just smell so bad.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So bad.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Okay.
So our next country, though,that also practices this is the
country of Sudan, where ghostmarriages are actually still all
the rage.
Um, it's in just a specificpart of the country with the
newer people and uer.
When a man dies in sudan priorto being married, a ghost
marriage is almost alwaysperformed, and often a
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non-deceased brother will standin for the groom.
So in sudan, okay, wealth canonly be held by the male of the
family yep and if there'smultiple brothers, the like the
oldest has to get married first,take his portion of the wealth
and then go down the line.
So if the oldest one dies, theexisting one just gets to
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basically pretend to be him, um,and and the children are
recognized to be of the deceasedgroom's lineage, not the
brother's.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Why do you have to pretend to be him?
Just give the fucking money tothe living brother.
Why do we have to pretend to beour dead brother?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't know.
Okay, Listen, I'm not knockingany of his culture.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It does not make sense to me and I don't
understand that.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
One of the other things, though, that a lot of
the women in Sudan will do,right Like if they have, like, a
partner who died and they don'twant to lose the wealth they
already have, they will getremarried to just a ghost,
because then the ghost is incontrol of the wealth and they
are the administrator of it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Because that makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Listen their wealth is also only measured in cows,
and ghosts can obviously havecows.
It makes a lot.
If this doesn't make sense toyou, the rest of this episode
angle makes sense to you.
I'll promise you that right now.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I mean it doesn't make sense, but it's just.
It seems idiotic to me.
I understand it's a culturalthing and it's not our culture,
so we will not get it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But and we probably shouldn't call it idiotic before
we get canceled- I just itseems idiotic to me.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I'm not saying it is.
It just seems idiotic Like I'mgoing to pretend to marry a dead
person to be the administratorof money.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
At least there is logic here.
Okay, we're going to get tosome stories where there ain't
any logic.
Okay, our last country thatdoes this, india.
So they do a lot of practicingof deceased marriages, but
they're seen as more symbolic atleast, rather than real, in a
practice called Preva KalyanamProbably murdered that.
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So you know, india alreadybelieves in like a lot of
arranged marriages, and thatthese arrangements were made in
heaven to be chosen by people onearth, or not chosen, but to be
carried out by people on earthright.
So, before their bodies evenenter the world, the heavens
already know who they'resupposed to marry.
Marriage, marry again.
The marriages are done in thesame, like typical celebrations,
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as human marriages.
Most of the time, these ones,though, do involve two people
who are already passed, usuallyyoung, in their childhood or
teens.
Tradition rose from the beliefthat life is incomplete without
marriage and that the soul of anunmarried departed family
member may wander on withoutrest, and not only without rest,
but because they were sorestless it would actually
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create bad luck and have badthings happen to their family.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I can get down on that one I figured this would
get you.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
So their souls are wandering in search of peace.
Once they have that marriagethat was arranged for them, that
they weren't able to get whilethey were on the planet, it
would kind of put the soul torest and bring good luck to the
family and let them live ontogether in the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I can get down on that one.
I like that one.
I like that one because it'snot like oh my God, the living
is like I'm disgraced because mydead loved one couldn't be
married.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
This is kind of like you're doing it for your loved
one's soul, like hopefully theyfind companionship and they can
be happy the thing here that waskind of interesting to me and
this just shows, like, how muchthey still think about their
families after they pass and allthat sort of stuff.
So a lot of these happen yearsand years and years after both
partners are dead.
So like the longest one they'vehad was almost 30 years.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Is it just because they wait for them to get like a
certain age, or just becausethey find somebody that's
fitting?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Like they just finally found that fitting
person.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
See, I kind of like that, to be completely honest,
because I feel like a lot ofcultures are good at like what
you, exactly what you just said,like they they're remembering
the dead for a very long time,like they're not just forgetting
it.
I feel like no shade to whitepeople.
Sometimes we're just likesomebody died and they died
throw them in the ground, wemove on.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yep, get over it pretty much.
You get a little bit to grieve.
If you're really lucky, you getthree weeks off of work uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
But a lot of cultures are like they celebrate.
You know they're.
I don't know if it's likeconsidered their death
anniversary or they celebratethem on their birthday.
Still, they do like all theselike things, like all the time
to just have like remembrance,which I actually think is really
cool.
We should do more of that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I know I have like a couple of things up on my altar
for family members, but I dowant to build like an ancestral.
Separate from this one.
That's something we should.
We should.
We should do a how to guide onit.
Separate from this one.
That's something we should.
We should.
We should do a how-to guide onit, who?
Okay, so we've talked aboutsome of the traditional ghost
marriages, um, but there arepeople still practicing
spectrophilia in a little lesstraditional ways.
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Do you want some stories?
I do, I really do okay, first isthe story of amanda te.
So Amanda is a 52-year-oldpsychic medium from Northern
Ireland.
Okay, she lives a prettyinteresting life, because if
being a medium is not enough,you know, speaking with the dead
for fun, she is also a JackSparrow impersonator, like from
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Pirates of the Caribbean.
I've definitely heard of thiswoman, mm-hmm.
So she was down on her luck inthe business of finding a
partner, but that all changedwhen her soulmate showed up.
So, in 2014, while laying inbed, amanda is visited by a
spirit, the spirit of a300-year-old ghost, of a Haitian
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man, mm-hmm.
Okay, even though he's 300years old and he's Haitian, he
lets her know that his name is,oddly, jack, you know, like Jack
Sparrow, totally normal.
So he was particularly drawn toher because, you see, in his
life he was actually a 19thcentury pirate who also suffered
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from loneliness Because he wasleft at the altar before
ultimately being executed forleading a life of thievery.
Okay, okay, how are we feelingabout Amanda and her lover so
far?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I just keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
This is as normal as it gets, okay, I know.
So she's visited by Jack.
She learns more of his story.
They start to form a connection.
The connection turns into aspark and that spark turns into
deeply developed feelings forone another.
In an interview with Peoplemagazine, amanda says this was
about six months ofcommunication so I finally
accepted it.
Obviously we had spent a lot oftime together.
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So six months of talking toJack.
They became official.
Oh, wow, how cute, by the way,she's a mother of five who is
previously married too, so shehas a lot of family that maybe
should have talked to her aboutthis a little bit.
I don't know.
So she goes on to say I washorrified to discover I had
romantic feelings for him,having never heard of that
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before.
It's almost like falling forsomebody forbidden, like a
friend's husband.
She said I tried to ignore itbut it wouldn't go away.
So they did what any couplewould do and they have
completely normal dates.
They would watch tv and moviesand go on long drives together
uh, what a very um well-adjustedwoman.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, her example uh like what did she say?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
they would go on.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, no like her example of like falling in love
with your friend's husband, it'sa forbidden love.
That's because that bitch hadfallen in love with one of her
friend's husbands.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Oh yeah, no, she speaks from experience, for sure
.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, you don't use that example.
That's such a specific example.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Listen.
Okay, she got a little bit morecomfortable with it over time
At least it wasn't her livingfriend's husband, and she's
quoted saying I did someresearch and found out that it's
a real thing and there's lotsof people in spiritual
relationships, but not manypeople like to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Can I ask you, in the research that she did, did she
actually research this Haitianpirate to see if he was a real
human?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I couldn't find much on that.
She just trusted him, okay,okay.
Things start to heat up betweenthe two.
They start to have a moreintimate and sexual relationship
.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Not sure how that works, but Amanda seemed pretty
satisfied, or at least partially, because she wanted more, you
know, and by more I mean amarriage Merge.
So she states growing up inIreland in my era you were
taught that if a man bedded youhe should wed you.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
She's saying If a man bedded you, he should wed you.
Can we put that on a shirt?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, oh my God, it just reminds me of Grease.
Won't go to bed till I'mlegally wet, I can't.
I was, I thought, for sure youwould get that one or pull that
one out, okay.
So she goes on to say I knewfrom my research that spiritual
marriage was the thing, so itwas more me that wanted to get
married to him.
He would have been happy, likemost men, with just sex.
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Well, one thing leads toanother, and Jack eventually
proposes to Amanda Couldn'tfigure out how he did that.
They finally do get married toeach other, though in a private
ceremony in international watersoff the coast of England,
because this is the only placewhere it wasn't specifically
illegal.
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Amanda, along with her fivechildren and close family and
friends, get married at aceremony in 2015.
She does bring in anotherpsychic medium.
Okay, to allow jack to speakthrough her, and he did say I do
, but she couldn't put a ring onhis finger, so she put it on a
candle to symbolically representhis finger.
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Uh, she said jack wasrepresented, represented by a
Jolly Roger skull and crossbonesflag.
He specifically, or hisspecifically designed wedding
ring, was placed on a candle ashe could not present a hand on
which it could be placed.
She sounds really well adjustedto me.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
What does her family think?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, her family and friends were there, so they at
least supported it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I don't.
Ok.
I want to start by saying Ialready have more before I.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh no, we're only halfway through her.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
No, no For her story.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Oh yeah, no, there's plenty more.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I was just going to say that I'm not.
I don't not believe this.
I want to just clarify thatwhat is unbelievable to me is
the lengths that this woman thenwent I think she's completely
delusional if you're gonna haveyour little relationship, that's
fine, but yeah.
But what I was also gonna sayis did anyone help her as long
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as far as, like, maybe mentalhealth, like, is she okay
because she does get better?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
so did they get divorced?
Uh, she would just stop talking.
Okay, so, um, after the weddingshe got mixed reviews.
She said that the reaction wasquite shocking.
Really, in this day and ageit's cool to be whatever, or so
you think, but apparently we'renot yet open-minded enough in
society to accept relationshipsbetween us and other realms.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
What year was this?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Uh, 2015.
Oh, okay.
So unfortunately, as youassumed, ghost marriages can
suffer the same pitfalls asregular marriages and
unfortunately for Amanda, shedoes not get her fairytale
ending with Jack, so she cameback into the spotlight in 2018.
With this quote, so I feel it'stime to let everyone know that
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my marriage is over.
She says in the Irish mirror.
I will explain all in duecourse, but for now, all I want
to say is to be very carefulwhen dabbling in spirituality.
It's not something to mess with.
Shortly after the wedding, herhealth begins to deteriorate.
She starts to suffer fromabscesses, sepsis and cirrhosis
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Sucking the life out of her.
Well, to me those all soundlike the similar symptoms of, uh
, a drinking problem.
But you know, it was definitelyjack.
Yeah, it only took about four orfive months yeah right only
took about four or five monthsinto the marriage before she
realized things were goingdownhill.
So this is it really struck hernot only when her health was
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declining, but when her dog tobydied.
See, toby didn't like jack andhe was always very aggressive
towards jack's spirit andeventually ultimately died
suspiciously so if your animalis suspicious of a spirit, you
should listen to your animalabsolutely.
If your animal is suspicious ofanybody, now jack and amanda do
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continue to be intimate, evenafter toby and her deteriorating
health.
Um, she states I had never hadthese abscesses before I was
with jack, so she stopped havingsex with him to see if it made
a difference, and apparently itdid and she started to heal up a
little bit.
So she decides she needs to dosomething and she wants to
deliberate with her board ofspirit advisors.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And when she finally gets through to them, they let
her know that they've beentrying to reach her for a long
time and Jack has actuallypossessed her and has been
stealing her energy.
Ding, ding, ding Another pointfor Kara, I guess in the next
part.
So she confronts her husbandand he threatens to kill her if
she attempts to leave him.
Uh, she's quoted saying he wasbasically like an energy vampire
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.
He wanted to continue livingthrough my body isn't that a
succubus?
yeah, well, a succubus is um afemale.
Yeah, it is.
I can't remember what the nameof it is when it's a male
succubus.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh, it's gonna make me mad.
It's succubus and incubusincubus.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Thank you there we go , um okay.
So she eventually does find thecourage to leave him.
She gets divorced, sheexercises him and just
completely cuts him out.
Or, as I like to say, sheghosted him how do you get a
divorce?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
um, does she even have to Because he's like dead?
Well, she, or technically she'snot a real yeah, never mind.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So she does divorce him, she does exercise him.
She says I was stronger thanhim.
Ultimately, I'm proud of what Idid and I'm really proud that I
managed to get my life backtogether and, as a result, she's
made a full recovery from herailments and she's decided to
cut ties with the spiritualworld, no longer practicing
being a medium uh, because she'sjust too terrified of it all I
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hope that her divorce party waslike in practical magic, where
um they're trying to get him outof her and they're all sitting
around a circle I imagine it waspretty much exactly like she's,
like you know, sweating andscreaming and he's like trying
to get out of her and I, Iimagine it's like much exactly
like that, and she's sweatingand screaming and he's trying to
get out of her.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I imagine it's like that.
That's how her divorce partywas, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You also should look up pictures of this woman,
because she looks pretty muchlike what you.
I mean, she was a Jack Sparrowin person.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Okay, I know I've seen her as a I didn't know that
part, but I know what's hername again Amanda, that part,
but I know what's her name againamanda teague, t-a-g-u-e.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay oh,and her wedding is.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She looks beautiful, oh, yeah, she.
She loves the spotlight she gotfor her, though she did
interviews on interviews, oninterviews, so there's a lot out
there on her.
Our next bride, however, is asinger-songwriter from
oxfordshire, england, who goesby the name of brocard.
Okay, but that would be brocardall one word with an e at the
end.
So she is a 41 year old womanwho claims that the spirit of a
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victorian soldier named eduardooh eduardo made a surprise visit
to her bedroom in 2021.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I like Eduardo better than Jack.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right, it's a little more original, eduardo.
I think Amanda made it all up.
Okay, wow.
Brocard, though, notes therewas a stormy night and the
energy was high, and he appearedto her being devilishly
handsome, and the relationshipstarts to blossom.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Do you think that there's an Eduardo that's not
devilishly handsome?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I just think that that name makes you have to be
handsome, that's fair, maybe thebeast from Foster's Home for
Imaginary Friends, but he wascute, okay, anyways, back to
Brocard.
So she describes feelingEduardo's presence, including
sensations like breath on herear and whispers of I love you.
She felt his touch anddeveloped a deep emotional
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connection which she found morefulfilling than previous human
relationships.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Eduardo getting it done.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Right, except their relationship wasn't without its
rough patches.
So bro card stated that aftershe first went public about the
relationship that he triedghosting her.
But oh but.
She wrote a song about him towin him back and it worked why
did he try to ghost her?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
do we know?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
because he wasn't happy that she went public about
the relationship.
He's cheap.
He wanted to keep it justbetween them yeah, it's because
he's got other bitches?
oh for sure, uh, he states.
Or she states I wrote the songto win eduardo back after he
ghosted me for publiclydisclosing our romance.
I wanted it to express thepassion that I feel within my
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soul ever since meeting eduardo.
Do we have the song?
Oh, you can listen to all ofher songs, uh, and I strongly
urge you to uh, because thisisn't the only song about
eduardo.
So, as the relationshipprogresses, the next step is
obviously again a proposal whichcame again from our deceased
groom.
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So, according to bro card, sherecounts waking up and finding a
floral diamond ring on her bedone day, and her bathroom mirror
was fogged with steam from theshower and it was written the
words Will you marry me A floraldiamond ring?
Yeah, I don't what?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
does that mean I?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
think the metal was like floral work and the
diamonds were oh, okay, okay,okay.
Okay, she accepts.
And in 2022, the couple aremarried at the Asylum Chapel in
Peckham, london, on Halloweennight Wow, she was looking very
Wednesday Addams with abeautiful black dress.
Okay, and this one was attendedby the living friends family
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again but also the dead attendedas well.
And Eduardo invited some verynotorious guests, including
Marilyn Manson and Elvis he hadsome connections guests
including Marilyn Manson andElvis.
He had some connections, sothey're getting married in front
of this beautiful crowd,Marilyn and Elvis included Is
Marilyn Manson dead.
Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You said Marilyn Manson.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh my God, I mean Monroe, not Manson.
I'm sure though he was probablythere in the living.
I was like Marilyn.
Oh, my God Again.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Marilyn Monroe and Elvis.
I was like wait, he, oh my god,again.
Marilyn monroe and elvis.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I was like wait, he died not.
I'm glad we clarified thatthat's gonna make the next part
make a lot of sense.
So they had some issues on thewedding night itself.
Um, she says eduardo justcouldn't resist winding me up
and made an inappropriatecomment about marilyn looking
hot.
I was like really, it's ourwedding day.
The comment completely ruinedmy evening.
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Wow, but they still decide tomove forward with the honeymoon,
where, she states, the wholetrip just seemed to get worse
and worse.
She claimed that Eduardowrestled her to the ground on a
beach as she tried to bepassionate and romantic with him
, but she just ended up beingcovered in her own ice cream
when she tried to share herdessert with him.
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What the fuck?
She said that the honeymoon wassupposed to be amazing, but her
unpredictable husband ruinedthe trip.
He's a ghost because not onlywas he rough with her, he was
cheap.
Well, he's a ghost, whichexplains the cheapness.
She went on to say eduardoobviously doesn't have a bank
card, so it's always me that hasto pick up the tab everywhere
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we visit.
And he certainly likes to gowild in our hotel room mini bars
.
So he's drinking up all theliquor, drinking it all through
the mini bars.
She said the liquor bottlesalways mysteriously left empty.
Okay.
So they make it through thehoneymoon, though, but holidays
can be a difficult time forspirits.
So around christmas, she said,things haven't gotten any better
(37:28):
, says brocard, who released asingle in 22 around christmas
time, uh called.
It's christmas again, whichdetails what it's like to be the
wife of a ghost at christmastime.
Her quotes keep coming.
Eduardo is really jealous atchristmas.
I've tried every day this weekto put the christmas tree up,
but he just keeps knocking itover.
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Why?
I god only knows.
He's probably drinking the minibar again.
So apparently, though, they'reunable to make things work in
the long term and in 2023,brocard states.
He grew increasingly moreaggressive and nasty and began
to haunt me with the sound of ascreaming baby.
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I concluded that the only wayto get rid of eduardo was to
exercise him, so I embarked onthe harrowing process in the
chapel we got married in.
After hours, he was finallypurged from my system.
I felt light and free andexcited to be released of his
troubled spirit.
She has since released anothersong called Just Another Anthem,
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which contains all the detailsof the split.
Please go listen to all threeof these songs.
The music video oh no includes areenacting of the demonic
evictions with the accompanyinglyrics toss the bouquet to a
bride a day.
Celebrate the hate we invite toplay.
I'm divorcing the line of yourdecay.
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You've taken me to my knees.
Let's play shut so since theexorcism and divorce, though,
she's lived a much more joyfullife, and she concludes by
saying I haven't felt hispresence or seen him.
The whole energy has shiftedand life feels more light and
joyful.
I am quite adamant that I nolonger want to be haunted by
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eduardo, so his presence isn'twelcome in my life.
Boom bitch.
So now we have two stories ofbudding love, marriage and
divorce, all in the spiritualrealm, which, like, if it's
happening in, even gettingmarried to ghosts.
I don't want marriage.
I think I'm good, I'll just besingle.
Okay, I know we're alreadygetting kind of long, but I'm
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not done yet I didn't think youwere I went to reddit, baby, so
we have two stories, uh, andthese are much shorter, um.
The first one is from bathroomnumber 3588, who writes I'm in a
romantic relationship with aghost and nobody believes me oh
god starting off strong, thenthis is a throwaway account
(40:02):
because I don't want to beharassed or anything.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
What we met not too long ago I was gonna say what
subreddit is this on?
Oh it doesn't matter if youdon't know, I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Have it linked above?
Um, I cannot remember, thoughthat's okay.
We met not too long ago.
He had been occupying my newapartment and I first saw him
the night I moved in.
I smelled something absolutelyhorrid in the bedroom and was
looking everywhere for thesource.
The smell got stronger and thenI saw him.
At first he looked like just aball of light passing by my eyes
(40:33):
, just a dust particle, but astime went on he began to trust
me.
His form became morerecognizable.
He has no legs, only a tail.
He's transparent and emits asoft blue glow.
I'm pretty sure she's datingCasper Soft blue glow and a tail
.
Hey, but Casper was hot.
(40:53):
That's an interesting take.
He's like a child.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, he's like a teenage boy and when I watched
it I was a teenage girl.
He's hot, Fair.
Everybody had a crush on Casper.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I definitely did not.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You don't remember the original Casper, the movie
the actor?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Oh, like before he was a ghost.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't remember what he looks like, but I thought
you were talking about the bluething with the tail.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean he was adorable, you and bathroom
number 3588, would get alonggreat.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I was never afraid of him, but I was curious.
I think he saw that I wasn'tafraid and that's what made him
interact with me in anon-threatening way.
The first time he talked to mewas surprising.
He had a heavy Brooklyn accent,sort of like you'd hear in an
old TV show.
He told me about his self.
His name is Stanley and he diedin the early 70s via hanging in
the very apartment I was livingin.
(41:41):
He even showed me the exactspot.
It was unnerving, but insteadof fear I felt mostly sad.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
See, I want these people to actually do the
research.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I know he would show up nightly at first and we would
talk for a bit.
Then, as we grew closer, hewould manifest during the day
too.
Once you get over the initialstrangeness of it all, you stop
viewing them as a ghost and justsee them as another person.
I think that's when I startedto fall in love with him.
I was able to see hispersonality and quirks and we
were just so damn compatible.
I didn't tell him about myfeelings for a while because I
(42:14):
had no idea how he would feel,but when I eventually did
confess, he seemed excited.
He said he felt the same way.
I eventually did confess.
He seemed excited.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
He said he felt the same way and that was just the
start of our love.
I just I'm not saying that thiscannot happen because if
everything else goes related,like people literally have
friendships with ghosts True,I'm not saying that it can't
happen.
I mean, like every time we goto Eloise they say, oh, we
missed you, you're back.
Like I'm not saying I will saythis story.
I mean, look at, every time wego to Eloise they say, oh, we
missed you, you're back.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Like I'm not saying I will say this story to me seems
at least a little bit morelegit than our last two.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Correct.
I do think that maybe the lasttwo, perhaps still getting to
the point where you're likegoing to different countries or
whatever, traveling around toget married to like ghosts that
I do think that there might be,it's a bit much.
I think there might be somedrinking or some mental things
we gotta work towards, but I'mnot saying this stuff can't
(43:07):
happen and there's.
This process isn't from drinking, it's from the spirit sex there
are so many stories, though,that you can deep dive into of
just like this type of stuffhappening, like not necessarily
relationships, but just thingshappening where it's like I.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
This is one of the first times I didn't have to go
digging for reddit stories.
I had to pick oh yeah, giantstack.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Okay, but to continue on this, no, no, we're not done
with this one, okay, okay uh,she said we're just like any
other couple really.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
The only difference is his ghostly form does make
things a little strange.
Sex is exciting, for example,but it can take a while to get
used to how cold it is, comparedto sex with a human.
Oh yeah, it's sometimes sadthat I can't feel the warmth
from him physically, but I feelit in my heart and that's more
than I could ever ask for.
You can call me crazy orwhatever.
(43:57):
I've been called all the thingsand more.
My mom tried to get me admittedto a psych ward when I told her
about Stanley.
Oh, our relationship was nevergreat, but that sealed it for me
.
We don't talk anymore.
My friends are a bit moreaccepting, although they don't
seem to actually believe heexists either.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
He's very shy around most people, so bringing them to
the apartment would reallyprove anything.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I don't hold that against him, though I don't hold
that against him, though Iwouldn't trust people either, if
I had gone through what he didin this life.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
No Stanley needs to come forward and prove himself
Right.
Be the man.
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
It's kind of the duty of the spirit partner to help
your friends.
Not think you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I mean you're saying, I mean she's, she, I think, is
saying that her mom and herdon't have a good relationship.
So that's fine, you don't haveto put shit to her.
But to the friends though thatare like on the board, like
their borderline, like theybelieve her, but they're
probably like I don't reallyknow what to do with this.
So I'm just going to believeyou.
You can prove yourselfAbsolutely.
Do something, Stanley, Come on.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Come on, Stanley, God damn it.
Stanley Gives a whole differentmeaning to flat Stanley, eh,
Okay.
The last one is much shorter.
This is from Infrashell and shesays I have a ghost boyfriend.
I've always been interested inthe paranormal and wanted to
experience more, and now I havea ghost boyfriend.
In April of this year I metsomebody who had a lot of death
surrounding them.
Let's just call him Alex.
(45:18):
It was odd, but I felt anextreme pull to help him and an
extreme pull to use a Ouijaboard with him.
In the past I've never messedwith a board and, honestly, I've
always been a little bitfrightened.
Still, I knew I had to try itout with this particular
individual Barely anacquaintance, I hate that word.
I invited Alex back to myapartment so we could just try
(45:39):
using the board.
During the session, the nameChad came through.
Chad, Stunned Alex, explainedthat a friend of his died a few
years back and his name was Chad.
I knew essentially nothingabout Alex's deceased friend and
watched as Alex and Chad talkedto each other through the board
(45:59):
.
Alex had never been into theparanormal and was sitting next
to me, shocked, exclaiming thatit was his friend, Alex, and I
began to be able to feel Chad'spresence in my home, and Alex
explained being able to feelChad's hands on his shoulders
for comfort.
I felt similar sensations and aclear presence.
Following this session, myextreme pull towards Alex
(46:20):
started to dissipate, but in thedays later I still noticed
sensing Chad's presence.
I could still feel him and knewwhen he was around.
Days turn into weeks, weeksturn into months and to this day
Chad is still with me.
I talk to him through the boardsemi-regularly and have found
that I can sense his feelingsand thoughts, as well as his
touch.
(46:40):
We've become very close andhave a physical relationship as
well.
Chad likes feet and enjoystouching mine while I'm occupied
doing other things.
He also tells me I'm beautifuland that he loves me.
Sometimes I even get visionswhere I can see where he is and
what he's doing.
Over time I have learned thenuances of his personality, how
(47:01):
he likes to communicate hisspelling habits on the board and
what makes him happy.
We've had everything fromlighthearted, joking
conversations to serious talksabout life and, what's important
.
He's even protective.
If I mentioned using the boardsomewhere else, which he clearly
tells me not to do, some of myfriends believe me, but at the
same time it can be hard not toquestion my own beliefs.
(47:23):
Yet I have noticed my own tiesstrengthening to him over time
as I sense him more and moreeasily.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Okay, number one.
I can't listen to the name chadwithout getting distracted, and
it reminds me of tom green'scharacter from charlie's angels
I just hate that name in general.
I've actually never seencharlie's angels, though it's
actually a really that one's areally good movie.
Uh, sam rockwell's in it.
He's hot as hell, but anyway,um, tom green plays chad and
(47:52):
he's just like a dorky character.
But he's's like is it?
Is it the Chad, the Chad?
And he's like it's just TomGreen, so you can.
But anyway, number two here'sthe thing about these two last
stories.
Again, I'm not saying I don'tbelieve in these.
I do think that these two soundmore likely than the first two
that you explained.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
But here's my thing Chad and Stanley, you need to
show yourself to other peoplethan just I agree that's kind of
like their duty in thisrelationship but number two um,
I feel really bad for thesepeople.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Are they both girls?
I'm gonna sit, we're assuming,yes, whatever these people, it
doesn't matter what they are,because you're ruining your life
, whether you think, whetherthis is real or not.
Hey, if they're happy, thenthey're happy.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They are because you're ruining your life,
whether you think whether thisis real or not.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Hey, if they're happy , then they're happy, I know,
but you're never going to havelike a quote unquote normal life
and you're literally just goingto be so.
This person is going to belocked up in their apartment all
the time because you can't takethat board anywhere else and
you can only talk to him in yourapartment.
You're literally not livingyour life.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I agree with you there.
But at least these two seemgenuine, where the first two
stories I feel like those arelike they're just looking for
attention.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
They're going to so many news sources and all that
for sure I'm I'm just saying, ifI'm going to believe all of
these stories, I'm just sayingthese are bad relationships to
be in because it's a littletoxic.
You're literally gonna gomental.
Oh yeah, because you're gomental, oh yeah, because you're,
if they aren't already notgoing to.
You're not right, but you're notdoing anything.
(49:19):
So you're just going to sit inyour apartment and be like
talking through this board.
You're not going to have anyrelationships Like.
Your friends are probably goingto end up dropping you because,
not because I think you'recrazy, but because if you're not
leaving your house and youcan't do that know what I mean?
Like I don't know, I kind offeel bad, okay.
So let me ask you this questionwould I still marry heath
leisure?
Speaker 2 (49:36):
would you ever have a ghost marriage?
Actually, no.
What if since we're on thetopic of chad's chad michael
murray dies one day?
He comes to you through aspirit board and wants you to be
in a relationship with him.
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (49:49):
I'm gonna be in a relationship with chad, michael
murray all right, so you'll bein a relationship with Chad.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Michael Murray All right, so you'll be in a
relationship with Chad.
That's fine.
My computer is about to explode.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
But also, why would we wish death on him?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
That's so I didn't say we wish death.
I said what if one day he diesand comes to you through a
spirit board?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It's hypothetical I will be in a relationship with
him.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
All right, perfect.
Well, that's what onspectrophilia and marriages from
beyond the grave.
Except, I want to leave you onelast quote from the top of a
Reddit thread oh, boy.
Somebody's comment on therejust made me.
I love this.
It was love knows no bounds,not even the veil between the
living and the dead, with alittle smiley face.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I mean, you know, at least they're getting some
support from Redditors.
That's amazing.
Again, I am not saying thatthese are not real, because I do
think that this shit happens.
I really do.
Energy is energy, baby.
It's weird.
But do I think that you need tohave full blown relationships?
No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I think there's healthier outlets.
I think there's some loneliness, some delusion and especially
in one of our friends cases withthe cirrhosis, I think there
was some drinking well and theother one with the mini bar
bottles, whatever yeah, I thinkthey were both drinking.
I think they were both.
There was, there were somespirits and the one just listen
(51:04):
they just have cats yeah, makessense okay well, that's what I
got for you.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
what emoji should we leave for this?
Is there like a wedding emoji?
Is there?
Isn't there like a dove?
Like a wedding dove that haslike the flowers?
Isn't that supposed to be likea wedding thing?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Let's go with that.
One In a coffin.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Oh, okay, yeah, so two emojis.
Yes, oh, my God, I know.
I just remember what I wasgoing to tell you at the top.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Oh, let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Okay, so you know, I have on my porch, I have that
hanging fern.
Yes, I'm gonna send you a video.
I took a video of this littlesparrow and it's been chilling.
It'll, is it jack?
No, I have.
I have string lights and it'llbop.
It'll hang on, the stringlights bop back forth.
I think I might have beentelling you.
You did tell me it'll bop backand forth.
Um, and it's so cute tolisteners because I sat there at
like midnight for like 30minutes watching this little
(51:57):
bird bop back and forth fromeach of the string lights and
it's just the cutest littlething.
I was having so much fuckingfun and now I am a proud grandma
of four little eggs in my fern.
So I am just trying to decide ifI'm just going to let the fern
die or if I can water around thenest.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
I mean, they're not born yet, right?
No, Water around it becausenests get rained on.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I know, but I just feel bad.
I don't want to scare thelittle mama away.
Yeah, I don't think she'sgetting scared away, though
She'd be there all the time.
Hey, you're one step closer toyour crows.
I know there all the time.
Hey, you're one step closer toyour crows.
I know they're around.
They're every morning.
They're in the fucking frontyard.
They just won't come hang outwith me.
Yet they will.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
All right, so leave the dove and leave the coffin,
and if you've ever been in arelationship with a ghost, tell
us about it if you've ever beenin a relationship with a ghost,
call us and maybe call atherapist.
We'll help you find one.
Perfect, all right.
What else do these folks needto?
Speaker 1 (52:56):
do before we close the shop up thank you for being
here and listening to theseweird fucking stories.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Thanks for supporting the fucking idiocracy of us
there's worse things to researchon a Monday night, all right,
so keep doing that.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Thank you, we appreciate you, love you and the
most important thing you can dofor us is to creep a really
little ad balls.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Goodbye, thank you At the IE shop.
(53:45):
The door's always open At theIE shop.
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