The Philadelphia Experiment: A Ship Lost in Space and Time

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Conspiracy mystery.
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Speaker 1 (07:49):
We say that a lot, so I'm trying to remember what.
So I?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
finally have sat down , I know, to put together the
Philadelphia experiment story.
Which is funny because you justdid a Pennsylvania story too
last week.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Oh, yeah, I did.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, we are going.
You know, know me, I usuallysay the history story,
everything we're, we're, we'rejust going, all sorts of out of
order.
I'm taking you first to october28th 1943 in philadelphia,
during the height of world warii.
Okay, 1943, yeah.
So I'm gonna put the scene foryou.
Okay, put you right.

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In the middle of it, inPhiladelphia is the Philadelphia
Naval Shipyard and on thisparticular date, two ships are
docked there, meant to be partof an experiment.
Now, this was supposed to bethe test run.
Okay, so, as the men on theseships, their naval seamen,
they're on these ships andthey're told that they're going

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to be part of an experimentwhere they were adding machinery
to the boats that would bebasically like a small Tesla
coil, so pumped full ofelectronic charges, and once
these generators were turned on,what they were testing to see
is if the ship would be, in airquotes right, invisible.
And what they meant by that isthey were trying to make them

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invisible to german minds.
Okay, because those minds werefinding boats by um, measuring
electron or magnetic fields okay, yeah, I do kind of vaguely.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I vaguely know this, but not enough.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
So okay, cool so the uss eldridge um naval destroyer
is gonna be first up for theexperiment.
So within the course of a fewminutes, observers watching it
right see a bunch of people outon the decks like it looks
really lively, and all of asudden it starts to kind of look
like a ghost ship.
What's happening is the men arebeing pulled inside for the
machinery to be pulled on.
So the machinery gets flippedon and a humming noise begins.

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Gets pretty weird from here.
So folks are watching.
It starts to kind of appear tosmoke, a little bit like it's
smoking you're saying thatpeople that are watching not on
the ship like off of the shipwatching the ship most of the
witness and it really comes downto one very powerful or not

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powerful, but one specificwitness Okay.
He is on the second boat, whichis the USS Forseth, so this
story is basically from hispoint of view Got you.
So it starts to get smoky,which then it's turning into
haze like a fog around the ship,but it's like green, like green
, green.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Ew like toxic.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So the green fog is now enveloping not only the ship
but the water around it, andthe humming is getting louder
and louder, so the ship startsto become harder to see through
the haze.
Okay, then a blinding flash ofwhite light comes from the
center of the haze.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
And then it's gone.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Moments later they look at the ship and they're
amazed at what they see, becausethe haze is still there, the
eldritch is there for a moment,but they're able to see through
it and see men walking aroundinside the ship and then, as you
said, yes, it's gone oh andlike a single moment, an entire
naval destroyer disappears.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, I have so many questions.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So the haze is still there.
It clears up a little bit Metoo, girl.
I don't know if I'm going toanswer many of them.
Haze is still there, right?
And then, moments later,another bright flash of white
USS Eldridge reappears in theexact same spot.
Oh, completely silent, and thehaze lifts.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, because reappears in the exact same spot
, oh, completely silent, and thehaze lifts.
Okay, because my first questionwas quickly just going to be
did anyone like try to go overthere and see if they could
touch it, like was it trulyinvisible?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
but there, but then we're saying this happened
within seconds, and then it camemoment, so it was a couple
minutes minutes, yeah, and thenit just reappeared, but nobody's
on it now, I'm assuming thevery line, one member from the
other boat tries to reach intothe haze and his hand actually
gets repelled from it.
This happens while the ship isactually gone and then it

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reappears.
Then they board the ship andwhat they find is absolutely,
horribly, wildly disturbing.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, but we'll come back to that.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I guess I don't know much about.
I thought I knew more.
Okay, I guess I don't know muchabout.
I thought I knew more, okay,okay.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Before we understand what was actually happening on
the ship, we need to go back.
Okay, this was 1943, so that'sheight of World War II.
When they're testing this out,obviously why we're trying to
figure out how to, you know, notget killed by Axis mines and
U-boats and all that stuffBefore World War II, obviously
killed by axes, mines andu-boats and all that stuff

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before world war ii.
Obviously nazi germany isrising to power.
They start to do unspeakablethings to the jewish community
and one gentleman decides toleave germany in 1936.
He ends up in america.
You might have heard of himbefore.
His name is albert einstein.
Okay, like the genius so famousfor his theory of relativity
changed the world of physics,right, I think.

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Like we don't understand howmuch technology his theories
have actually created.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, helped create.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Like the modern world is so based on stuff that he
was able to figure out, right Doyou think.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Sorry, I was just going to say I know that he's
really.
He is classified as a geniusand this might sound dumb, but
do you think he really was agenius or do you think that he
just had such an open mind?
I?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
think both.
I think he was willing to stepoutside of things, but he really
he had.
They tested him for IQ.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I think it was a bit of both and I think it was
a bit too of really a lack offear.
Right, he got up and leftGermany.
He went to a bunch of differentcountries.
Yeah, that's awesome OK.
And part of the issue that we'llfind with him, right is he also
kind of throws caution to thewind.
Two now is like on the brink ofbreaking out.

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It's kind of started andeinstein writes a letter to
president roosevelt stating thathe knows that the germans are
working on a nuclear program andrecommended that the us does
the same.
And you know what happens atwork when you bring up an issue
becomes your issue to fix.
So he begins to work on themanhattan project, which is the
super secret project aboutcreating and developing the
nuclear bombs.
Right, okay, important to knowthis.

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Until the bomb was perfected,the Manhattan Project was
insanely secretive.
When it came out and it worked,we learned about the experiment
, right.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Or the project yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got
you, I get where we're going.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, around the same time, right.
So he's changing the world onphysics.
He's changing the world on theway we're going to fight wars.
He also gets interested in thisthing called unified field
theory.
Lots of people have also talkedabout it since then.
A lot of people claim thatEinstein solved this theory and
that it was found to be sodangerous that he kind of

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destroyed the work.
But a lot of physicists nowactually sort of renounce it,
and I don't know if it's becauseit's just too powerful or what
right.
So okay, I'll be honest withyou.
This story is going to be split50 50 down the middle.
Half of you are going to thinkit's a hoax, half of you are
going to think it's real I don'tknow where I sit okay.
So unified field theory aims todescribe mathematically and

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physically the and this is copyand paste the interrelated
nature of the forces thatcomprise electromagnetic
radiation and gravity, in otherwords, uniting the fields of
electromagnetism and gravityinto one field.
For example, if you were ableto bend light, then space time
would also be bent.

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Effectively mastering thistheory, you could create
invisibility devices or timemachines.
Okay, okay, that's the mostlayman way I can explain it.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
So it doesn't work in my brain, but I kind of
understand, yeah fast forward acouple years 1943, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Uh, now we're.
We're dead set in the middle ofworld war ii.
We're getting our asses handedto us in the water.
Actually, we're not reallygetting our asses handed to us,
but we could get the upper handin the water, okay, so the
philadelphia experiment is born.
So we're gonna go back to thatshipyard now.
So, according to accounts,unspecified researchers thought

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that by applying some version ofthe theories from the unified
field theory, you could enablean object to be fitted with
electric generators that wouldallow them to bend light around
the object so that it wouldbecome completely invisible.
Okay, okay, obviously, militarywould want this kind of

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technology, right?
Because if they, were able tomake their ships invisible in
the water.
You have an insane upper handNow.
Remember earlier, though, Itold you what the men on the
boats were told that it wasn'tactual invisibility, but it was
this ability to make theminvisible to minds.
Okay, right, yeah, I forgotthat part.
Okay, actual invisibility, butit was this ability to make them
invisible to minds.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Okay, right?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
yeah, I forgot that part, okay every bit of research
I found both these things werealways kind of presented as true
and in my brain the only way Ican kind of explain how it went
down is the researchers on thesecret project were probably
trying to make the shipinvisible for all intents and
purposes.
Correct the guinea pigs whowere aboard the boat would?

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It would be much easier to sellthem on the experiment if
they're saying hey, yep this isjust gonna make it up here that
the minds can't find you rightbut yeah

Speaker 1 (17:16):
we're not actually changing anything physically
okay, yeah, that makes sense tome too.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I would go that way supposed to be carried out on
two destroyers.
Um, they were going to do atest run on one of them and then
a full run on both right, sothe test was only to involve the
eldridge.
The full run would be done onthe eldridge and the uss first
seth.
So the date, the story, I toldyou earlier, that's when they're
running the test of it, um,where the ship actually

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completely disappears from viewand then reappears moments later
.
Okay, but when you start tolook into this story deeper and
some of the other accounts, itdidn't just turn invisible.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Well, yeah, it disappeared for moments.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
But how many moments?
Not many.
How many moments here and howmany moments wherever they were?
Yes, so there's some weirdness,there.
But before I get to that, notmany.
How many moments here and howmany moments, wherever they were
.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So there's some weirdness there.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
But before I get to that, let's talk about what
happened when it reappeared.
Okay, again, depending on whoyou ask, who is telling this
story you have differentexplanations.
One is is that the crew was socompletely nauseous from the
haze and these machines thatthey deemed it was too unsafe to

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try to run this experimentagain and scrapped it.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Wait.
So they're saying that it neverhappened.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
They're saying that it happened.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm sorry when the ship reappeared.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
The men were so sick from these machines that were
turned on.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
So they're implying that the men were still on the
ship when it reappeared?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yes, got you.
Okay.
The other explanation is that,yes, the men were sick, those
who were making completesentences, others had gone
absolutely completely mad, and agood chunk of them were fused
to any metal surface the ballcaps, the doors, hands fused to

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it, legs fused to body parts.
Some people say there was justfaces sticking out of the metal,
as if, like the inorganic,inorganic material just became
one.
So as the ship comes back, youhave people literally just
screaming out in pain.
Okay, let me just ask oneclarifying question.
Hold on to it for one moreminute.
It the other thing thathappened is that many of the men

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just straight up disappearedthat's what my clarifying
question was, okay crazy fuse tothe ship gone okay.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
So we we don't actually know if there was still
men on that ship, if they,whatever.
Okay.
So these are the three theories, not theories.
These are three stories werebeing told, okay.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
So it's not three stories.
There's one account said thatthe men were just sick and he
was on the first set, so theywere never going to run the
experiment again.
The other one is saying it wasa horror show and he was on the
first set, so they were nevergoing to run the experiment
again, experiment again.
The other one is saying it wasa horror show.
People were sick, mad, fused tothe ship and a lot had

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disappeared.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay, so you have two accounts, essentially from two
different people.
So it's like who are webelieving?
Okay, and I'm so sorry, I knowone was on the other ship
watching.
Where was the other?

Speaker 2 (20:23):
one, both on the other.
I only know the one account wason the ship.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Sorry, I'm trying to keep track of all this.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Here's the other thing that's going to happen and
this is a convoluted story Atsome point there's going to be
another account that says noneof it happened.
I was waiting for that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's coming,but before we get there, we have
to talk about what happenedbetween the two white flashes.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Let's get into this.
Okay, so we've touched on it alittle bit, but unified field
theory is way more about justbending light or making you
invisible to mind.
If we're taking into accountmagnetic and gravitational
fields, teleportation or timetravel could theoretically be
possible in this wormhole.
Slip all that kind of stuffright, because way over my head.
But if you're bending thedimensional fabrics of reality,

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you can also.
If you bend space and you bendlight right and all these things
, you're bending physics.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
You can also technically bend space and time
okay, I mean I get it, but Idon't.
That is as far as I'm evergoing to understand the physics
of it.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay.
So if it could do all thosethings, it would also explain
why eyewitnesses would claimthat when the ship vanished from
Philadelphia, they had seen itappear in the waters in Norfolk,
Virginia, 200 miles away.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, that does vaguely sound familiar.
I really thought I knew moreabout this than I do.
This is great, Okay.
So somebody wow, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So Norfolk, people there say flash ship on the
horizon, couple minutes, flashship gone, okay.
Okay.
Now the person who brings usthe report from what was on the
boat?
The people fused, screaming allthat kind of stuff, right, we
don't know where he wasstationed at, okay, but we know
he was on the boat because healso noted that the watches and
the clocks were all 10 secondsbehind, so it seems to have

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traveled in both space and time.
It somehow lost 10 seconds.
Nothing insane, but it wasnoted on enough things that to
this gentleman it must have alsotraveled in time.
Hmm, okay, that is literallyall we have on this experiment,
and that's why it's taken me solong to run it, because I could
tell you the story of this abunch of times in 10 minutes,

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but it does nothing, right.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, the people that saw it.
Were those just random peoplethat reported it?
Do we know?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
We know the person on the Forseth who saw it.
We don't know anything, really,about the guy who saw the
carnage.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I'm talking about when it went to Norfolk.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Norfolk yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I'm just curious, we don't have people acknowledge
direct accounts of it.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
We have, basically, this gentleman who is on the
Forseth.
He is going to break the storyand he's going to talk to a lot
of people, but a lot of what wehave comes from him, which is
why we don't have a lot of namesor evidence, and I'm going to
tell you why in a little bit.
Okay, all right, but there'sgoing to be a cover up.
I've already alluded to that,and Norfolk comes up in the

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cover up.
So, whatever people saw, therewas enough credence to it that
the military was like we'regoing to explain this.
So what do we know so far?
Right, we're in World War Two.
We know that Einstein is makingcrazy advances in physics, that
he's working on things thatstayed secret until they were
successful.
Right, yeah, we do know thereis at least a handful of

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eyewitnesses who claimed thatthe Navy and the government were
going to test an equipment todo something.
We have a good idea that thetrue nature of the experiment
was hidden from the peopleinvolved in it, and here's where
you can make an argument.
Maybe they were just trying tomake it invisible to minds.
They put these things on and,okay, we just discovered.
You know time travel andteleportation.

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We don't know if it wascoincidental or accidental or
intentional, okay, but we doknow that there are some crazy
consequences and while we don'thave strong evidence about the
carnage on the ship, we knowwhatever happened.
It was obviously bad enough thatwe didn't try this experiment
again, because the governmentdoes what they do with all their
failures.
We have a giant cover-up comingand they happened.
It was obviously bad enoughthat we didn't try this
experiment again, because thegovernment does what they do

(24:26):
with all their failures.
We have a giant cover-up comingand they create it into a hoax.
So I want to come back to thecover-up part, okay, but I want
to talk about the gentleman whotold and broke the story and is
the reason we all know about itokay, okay let's go the mist,
right, the green haze.
There's a guy in the force set.
He sticks his hand in it and isthe reason we all know about it

(24:46):
.
Okay, okay, let's go.
The mist, right, the green haze.
There's a guy in the four sets,he sticks his hand in it.
Right, yep, that hand belongsto Carl M Allen.
Okay, and Carl M Allen is very,very creative.
Okay, because when he starts totalk about the story, he
creates an alias Carlos MiguelAllende.

(25:07):
I mean, hey, all right, it'sprobably easy to remember 13
years after the event 1956,allende sends the first of more
than 50 letters to author andastronomer Morris K Jessup.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Jessup at the time was on a publicity tourward
steward tour for his book thathe published the previous
publicity stunt.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I think you went stunt and tour in london I think
so.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Uh, and his book is called the case for the ufo.
Oh, we get a little alien-y.
So this book was aboutunidentified objects in our sky
and how he tried to explaintheir anti-gravity ability and
their propulsion systems.
And he seems to suggest in hisbook that it has something to do

(25:52):
with electromagnetism and thegravity fields.
So he emphasized that heactually was having a
breakthrough on revisingeinstein's unfinished unified
field theory and it was criticalto his explanation of the ufos
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
How long after this?
13 years, 13 years, okay 13years.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Like uh, carlos writes the first letter to
jessup.
Okay, uh, which is 1956.
The book came out the previousyear, in 1955, so it would have
been 12 years after I just justwant to know.
So, 13 years since the incident, At that point, jessup the
writer has no connection to theexperiment at all.
He just is trying to.
The basis of his book for howUFOs travel is very similar to

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the experiment.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Got you Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Okay, allende writes to Jessup detailing all the
details of the Philadelphiaexperiment, right?
So I kind of want to read toyou directly from an article on
this, okay.
So Allende directly respondedto Jessup's call for research on
the unified field theory, whichhe referred to as UFT.
According to Allende, einsteinhad developed the theory but had

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suppressed it since mankind wasnot ready for it, a confession
that the scientists allegedlyshared with the mathematician
and philosopher Bertrand Russell.
So Carlos is already kind ofbuilding like hey, this was
Einstein's theory.
He told this person, right.
So he's building credence tohis story.
So he also claims that hewitnessed the Eldritch disappear

(27:20):
and at the time he was servingon the SS Andrew Ferseth.
So he names other crew memberswith who he served aboard the
Ferseth.
He claimed to know some of thefate of the crew members on the
Eldritch before, during andafter the experiment.
He's dropping a lot of names,saying he has a lot of evidence.

(27:41):
He's even saying he has a lotof evidence, right, um, he's
even saying that he watched oneof these men just completely
dematerialize during a bar fight.
After the experience okayjessup's like I'm interested,
right jessup's, already he'sdoing ufo shit, he, he's all
about this.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So I mean, yeah, if you're already doing that stuff,
you're gonna listen to anybodythat has other way, because you
gotta figure, nowadays we canfind a weirdo on the street and
we can just like, like, you justtold us about your account,
what was it?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
account being off oh, so it's like nowadays
everybody's a weirdo becauseit's at our fingertips.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
But then it's like not everybody's like that, right
.
So like as soon as somebody'slike oh my god sends you a
letter about it, you're likeyeah, let me hear this shit.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, so I mean 50 letters back and forth, Right?
Allende further insists thatthe US military conducted the
experiment and then obviouslytried to cover it up.
Ok, ok, one of the last timesJessup responds, he responds
with a postcard and he'sbasically at this point,
demanding that Carlos Allendeprovides some of this evidence

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that he's claiming that he has.
Okay, Okay.
He gets a reply from Carl Allen, so it's like he accidentally
forgot to put his name orsomething.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I had to think about it for a second.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Really really weird here and this is where, like I
tried to read this in differentarticles and it never made sense
to me, but almost every articlementioned it Jaslip sends this
postcard to Carlos still at thetime.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
He gets a notification that the letter is
undeliverable, what doesn't makesense to me?
It didn't say they sent theletter back or anything.
He got a notification.
I don't know how mail workedback then.
Okay, maybe it was different.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
But now, if it's undeliverable, you get your mail
back I think you'd probably getan like a random letter that
says like this was undeliverable.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Like you know, sometimes they would post it on
your door well, no, I'm nottalking about carl, I'm talking
about um jessup.
The writer sends a postcard tocarl, never gets the postcard
back, but is told that thepostcard was undeliverable to
the address.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
No, I know, I meant like because you said how did he
get a notification?
I think he probably got.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
You would think they would just send the
undeliverable mail back.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's what I'm saying.
But they probably like, sentanother letter, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Anyways, after getting that, he still received
a response from Carlos.
Now it says Carl.
So this is where it's weird.
Right Now it says Carl.
So this is where it's weird,right, he's been using an alias.
That could just be it comes ondeliverable and then he gets a
response.
I know you're going to try todiscount it, don't, because it's
going to come up later, okay,okay, well, you can.

(30:11):
I'm sorry you can?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'm going to disprove it again.
I'm even just saying, like I'vegotten a thing where I sent an
email and it says that it didn'tsend, but it actually did send.
So I'm just trying to thinklike you know what I mean, okay,
Definitely could be a mistake.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Absolutely Okay, just weird that afterwards the guy's
name changes.
Okay, so he says he's not ableto provide any evidence, but he
implied that he might be able torecall some things if he was
hypnotized, because he feelslike something happened that
made his memories repressed.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
So at this point Jessup is like this Alan day,
alan got.
I'm confused but I'm like, notLike, so now he doesn't remember
, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
So, and this is because of Carlos's- lack of
documentation.
He made it easier to make itthink it was hoaxy.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I know what happened, okay.
Okay, so he has this letterthat has like a bunch of shit in
it right, it's evidence, it'sreal juicy stuff.
So he tries to send it.
It does like get intervened andthey send something else.
That's maybe kind of similar.
So it seems like the letter gotsent, but then, after the
letter actually gets sent, themen in black come and then they

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flash him with the little memoryeraser thing and then that's
why now he doesn't actuallyremember.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't think you're entirely wrong.
I think it's just a little lessthe men in black.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I just you know how they have the little memory
eraser.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
So anyways, jessup at this point is kind of like fed
up, right, and he's likewhatever, this guy is obviously
an imposter.
I'm not going to get any realevidence from him, so he stops
responding.
That was 56.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
In 57, Jessup, who is about ready to drop the unified
field theory altogether Okay Iscontacted by two officers from
the Navy Office of NavalResearch.
Oh shit or the ONR.
So two officers from the navyoffice of naval research?

Speaker 1 (32:06):
oh shit, or the onr.
So two officers receive astrange package.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh oh the now it turns out, the address on this
package is the undeliverableaddress of carla m allen.
That's what I was thinking.
The package contained a copy ofjessup's book.
The case for the ufo however,written in all the margins of
this book is a conversationbetween three different people
writing notes to each other.
One of them seems to be andbreaking down the theory and

(32:30):
adding all this evidence andnotes and stuff.
One of them seems to be writtenas if they're an
extraterrestrial like how do youmean?
like just what they're sayingthey're, yeah, he's almost like
from the point of view as if hewas an.
ET and they're they're helpingto prove what Jessup Jessup was
researching.
So these naval guys are like,bro, why did we get this

(32:52):
mysterious package with yourbook?
What is all this shit?
But Jessup looks at it and goesthese handwritings all belong
to the same person.
I have a bunch ofcorrespondence with Carlos
Allende Right, it's this guy.
So the writings did help jessupwith his research on unified
field theory and kind of gave areally theoretical explanation

(33:12):
of how propulsion andanti-gravity would work.
Okay, okay, this is so weirdfor government officials.
For whatever reason, these twoONR officers published 127
copies of the annotated bookusing a military contractor
called Vero Manufacturing.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Like they published the book with the conversations
on the margin.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah Okay 127 copies which are, like,
worth a shit ton of money.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Oh, I bet they're worth so much.
How do we get one?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
They're highly collectible.
Okay, yeah, but this is how thestory makes its way into the
public, right, and Jessup startsto tell them of the whole thing
, with this Carl Carlos guy, andhe's telling the ONR, the
Office of Navy Research, aboutthis experiment that.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Carl told him about.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Apparently being okay .
Now what we have is Jessupbasically saying hey, this guy,
you got a weird package from.
He told me what you did.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I just don't know how I would play this in
this time.
I mean, even now I don't knowhow I would play this, but back
then I don't think that.
I think I would be like I don'tfucking know what this is, I
have no idea why you got this,and I don't think I would say I
don't know I think he's soexcited, right like if you were
handed your book back and youhad the answers like you can't

(34:30):
play it down.
I understand that, but to thesenavy officers I would, because I
would be terrified of whatthey're gonna fucking do to me
but they're like kind of geekedtoo and they're like making
copies of this thing okay, I'mgonna guarantee you they got
fucking fired because yeahhere's what the story goes
afterwards this reignited jessup, he got obsessed.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
It took over his life .
Took over his life so much,kara, that he couldn't live
anymore.
And he took his own life sothat he could do what well he?
He just became obsessed with it.
He took his own life.
That makes total sense, right,like the thing you've been
spending years and years andyears researching.
You kind of start to figure itout, so kill yourself no, the

(35:11):
government killed him perfect,here we go.
Let's get to the cover up.
Okay, from what I I I have putthis together, I think there was
four steps to the cover up.
Okay, brainwash, falsify thedocuments, bury the lead, deny,
deny, deny.
All right, so step onebrainwash.

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Yep, you got to anyone who ison these two ships.
You have to silence them, right, because your first thing is to
say they weren't there.
You brainwash them.
So this is why they were alltold there was a degaussing
experiment.
The degaussing is hiding itfrom the minds.
Yeah, okay, so that if thingsgo wrong, you now can easily say

(35:52):
hey, nothing, you know, it wasjust weird, they just got sick,
right?
So this green haze can.
Basically, we know what it is.
It's St Elmo's fire.
St Elmo's fire is a substancethat can be seen that looks like
green flames, and basicallyit's highly charged plasma in a
strong electronic field.

(36:12):
It also causes nausea.
Okay, so the people who wentcrazy from the ship they were
basically dropped ininstitutions is my thought Well
yeah, because you don't have toworry about them.
anyway, they're crazy the oneswho only saw the sick people.
We just tell them hey, everyonegot sick, we're not going to do
this to you.
Guys on the other boat and therest of them remember well

(36:33):
carlos, he can't remembereverything.
Clearly they had to havehypnotized some of them, and
this was during the 40s, 50s,when we know we know beyond a
doubt that we were messingaround with brainwashing like
okay for sure so in the late 80s, a man comes forward because

(36:54):
they made a movie about this, atotal fictional movie about, you
know, the philly experiment.
Well, probably based in fact,but yeah you know, it's claimed
to be fictional so this mannamed al bylac comes forward and
he claims that he was part ofthe experiment and he must brain
brainwashed to forget, becauseafter watching the film

(37:14):
everything came back to him yep,so in 88 he sees it everything
comes back.
So I found this from the andthis isn't from like an article
online.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
This is from.
I'm sorry, I don't want tointerrupt, but that's like I
know that anybody can just say,oh my God, it's all coming back
to me.
I remember everything.
But they do say that whenyou've experienced like a
traumatic trauma and you andlike our brains will shut down
and forget an event, you knowlike I don't even want to get
into details of things, but likewe forget things.
And then they say like if youknow cause some people are like,
well, I'm trying to rememberthese things.
Like if you, oh my God, I'msorry, I'm just.

(37:45):
I was watching something theother day and this girl couldn't
remember.
She got hit by a car.
It was tragic, and the car, theperson that drove away, got got
away and they never got caught.
Or drove away and they nevergot caught, and the doctors kept
telling her your memory willeventually come back, it will.
And it had been like 15 plusyears and it didn't come back.
And somebody's like why don'tyou?
Have you ever gone back towhere you got hit?
She's like no, go back to whereyou got hit.

(38:07):
And everything starts floodingin.
So that makes sense, like ifyou were to see a movie about
this.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Here's why that happens too right.
Repression is a defensemechanism of your brain right
because it's so shocking to yourcore.
Now, if you're put in the samesituation and go back to the
same place, your brain needs tounlock that, because now it's
keeping you from repeating thesame okay, okay, okay, so that
makes sense so this comes from?
This is from a, a publishedarchived journal article.

(38:36):
This isn't an online article.
This is like a publishedarticle, like a scholarly
article.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Did you have to pay to get it?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
No, because it was archived.
It's no longer active.
It's become public record.
Okay, okay, cool.
This is written about Al.
So Al claims that he wastransported in time to the
future and that here in thefuture he was brainwashed by the
Navy.
So this is after right.
So after the future, he wasbrainwashed by the Navy.
So this is after right.
So after the experiment, theytook these people to the future,

(39:04):
where they have the capabilityto do brainwash.
The brainwashing led him tobelieve that his name was Alfred
Bilek rather than his true name, edward Cameron.
Upon discovering his trueidentity, he tracked down his
brother, who had alsoparticipated in the Philadelphia
experiment.
Bialik claims that his brotheralso was sent through time to
1983, but he lost his time lockwe don't know what that is and

(39:28):
as a result, his brother agedone year for every hour and
eventually died.
Like something happened.
I know how crazy this sounds,but this is in a published
article.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
What a time lock.
I'm pretty sure is is likebasically what you just said,
like my time lock right now isI'm 36.
Right, so he lost his time lockwhich aged him differently.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Bialik then claims that his brother was reborn and
then it says needless to say,only a small group of people
believe Bialik and nearlyeveryone thinks that his stories
are based on some truth, buthe's exaggerating the truth for
personal reasons.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I was just going to say that I don't believe all
that stuff.
Continue on.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, let me get through the article, then we'll
discuss it.
So this popular opinion seemsto be reinforced when Bialik
starts remembering things onlyafter having seen the movie the
Philadelphia Experiment.
However, it is important tonote that Bialik has a PhD in
physics, so he does havetechnical experience.
He's also a retired electricalengineer with 30 years of
experience.

(40:27):
Because of his obviousintelligence and skill, we could
not discount him entirely.
Bilek stated that thetechnology used in the
Philadelphia experiment, however, was given to us by aliens.
Okay, so this that article forme says brainwashing happened
and that there is connectionbetween what Jessup was looking
into and the Philly experiment.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yes, but here's what I was going to say If you were
brainwashed, there was some sortof like time slip, time travel,
and then you're brainwashed,like this horrible thing
happened, I don't know how muchI could put on everything that
came back to you being accurate,because I can only imagine like

(41:09):
your brains being all jumbledand, like you know, all these
doors are opening, shutting inyour brain and it's it's gotta
be like just a cluster rightAfter all of that.
So, yeah, I would think that itprobably did happen to him.
He's probably there.
He probably did get, you know,transported, reappeared,
whatever happens, right,whatever we can say in that
experiment, something wackyhappens and then, yeah, you're

(41:31):
being brainwashed, manipulated,drugged.
Who knows what type of rightshit was going on for that.
So I just think that I would.
I just don't know what thestatistic of when you get your
memory back, is it a hundredpercent in like, and there's no
way to know that.
I don't believe, like I don'tthink there could actually be an
accurate statistic of if youhave a clear memory from a loss.

(41:53):
So to me it's like yeah, I likethat article said I don't know
if he's lying or exaggerating orhe really just doesn't know
what is.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
We're not going to be able to determine that, and the
reason I included it in isbecause it does tie back to Carl
thinking that he lost stuffthrough brainwashing.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Right, and it's another person who's giving us a
similar event.
Who?

Speaker 1 (42:17):
is also tying in the unified field theory.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So yeah, we're not going to be able to prove it,
we're not going to be able toprove it we're not going to be
able to prove any of this, but Ithink this gives at least some
proof that there was a huge, forsure, cover-up done yeah, for
sure so now let's go to thesecond part of the cover-up.
So now you have right nobodytalking about the event.
Perfect, the second thing youdo you falsify the logs.

(42:40):
So every naval ship we know hasextensive logs, right?

Speaker 1 (42:44):
yeah, like ridiculous ones.
We've covered it in.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, so many episodes so the official records
state that the uss eldridge wasnot commissioned until august
27th 1943, where it remained innew york city until september,
and in september it was launchedon its first test cruise to the
Bahamas, which would put itsailing past Norfolk, virginia,

(43:08):
mid-october.
So now the official log boatsclaim that it was never in
Philly, but it would have passedby on the way to the Bahamas,
explaining why, on the horizon,eyewitnesses would have seen
this.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
It was probably lightning.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Well, it wasn't even lightning.
Have you ever?
You know the flash when youwatch the sun come up and down
over the horizon, the brightgreen flash?
Okay, yeah, they said that'swhat they.
It was just a mirage.
Okay, there was no flashes.
It was just so far out on thehorizon that it you know.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
So the onr comes back now, the office of naval
research.
Oh, yeah, yeah, they state inseptember 1996 the onr has never
conducted investigations onradar invisibility, either in
1943 or at any other time.
Okay, so their cover-upstatement is there.
Here's the fun fact the onrR,the same office that, remember,
got Jessup's book, the sameoffice that distributed the

(44:06):
story right.
They gave lots of fuel to thefire in 56 when the book came
out.
Onr wasn't established until1946.
Of course they never conductedexperiments on invisibility in
1943 because they didn't fuckingexist.
So if you're going to come outwith a statement, say that you
didn't do the experiment, makesure you existed as an entity

(44:28):
when that happened oh, I waslost.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I'm like what the fuck are you talking about?
So in 1996.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
the onr said they never did experiments in
invisibility in 1943 or anyother time.
Right, they said that in 96.
In 56, we know they got a copyof Jessup's book.
But the office was created in1946.
Right Years after theexperiment happened.
So it doesn't fucking matter ifthey say they didn't do it.

(44:55):
They didn't exist when ithappened.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Right, they could have just said that.
That, to me, is right there,the proof that this is a
cover-up because, like they'reliterally now trying to cover up
something that they could havejust said we didn't exist.
Exactly like they would, justbe like we weren't even a unit
whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Okay.
So we've got brainwashing,we've got the falsify of the
logs, now we have to bury thelead.
Okay, we have two strong leadshere.
By luck, they've alreadydiscounted him as crazy.
So we have Carl Carlos and wehave Jessup.
Okay, after Jessup comes outand says that those three
handwritings are all Carlos,everyone writes him off as a

(45:34):
fraud.
For the rest of it, he writestons of books on interstellar
space travel, ufos, unifiedfield theory, all this shit.
Nobody ever gives him anynotoriety because he's labeled
as a fraudster already, whichthat's the part that.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Wait, he's labeled as a fraud because he said that
Carl is labeled.
Oh, carl is labeled as a fraudBecause Carl starts writing
books too.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Okay, yep, yep, I'm sorry, he's labeled as a fraud
because Jessup's like meh, he'slabeled it as a fraud because
Jessup's like it's all the same.
I got you, you wrote this allwhich I'm sorry, but I'm
thinking, if we know that UFObeings can communicate
telepathically, it is verypossible that Carl wrote all
this.
I know this one go is reallyfucking crazy, right, but we
have to look at then who is ourreputable lead.

(46:18):
Jessup the strong writerpopularizes the theory right.
Reputable lead jessup thestrong writer popularizes the
theory right.
His the onr gets his book witheverything.
He's excited.
He's about to start figuring itout until he kills himself.
So here's the official story.
Jessup attempted to make aliving writing on the topic, but
his follow-up book did not sellwell.
The researcher or the publisherrejected several other

(46:38):
manuscripts, his wife left him,his friends described him as
depressed and unstable, and thenhe traveled to New York and
after returning to Florida hewas involved in a serious car
accident he was so slow torecover from, which added to his
depression, and he was founddead April 20th 1959.
What's the car accident report?
It wasn't that he died in thecar accident, no, no, I know.

(46:59):
But what's the?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
report of the car accident.
Oh yeah, did you find that?
Yeah, how it happened, becausethat's probably the first
attempt.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I think so.
And then, I think, thegovernment made it look like a
suicide.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, I think that was probably the first attempt
to get rid of him, and it didn'twork.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
That's their favorite way to make people
whistleblowers, especially theyfind shot in the head later, and
then we never hear about how ithappened.
So you've got your four pointright.
You've discredited or killedanyone, you have changed the
logs, you have come out and saidyou never did the experiment
and there's nobody left reallyto talk about it, except for the
fact that 127 copies of thisbook got out and it has made its

(47:35):
way into popular media becauseit's been made into movies and
books and we're still talkingabout it today so okay, continue
on.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I have a question, but I.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I just want to leave you with reading the letter that
I found from the onr, and Ifound this deep in doing
research.
I don't, it's from like anotherwebsite that has all these
archive notes and everything, soit's literally like a
typewriter written.
Department of navy, office ofnaval research arlington,

(48:05):
virginia.
Information sheet philadelphiaexperiment colon ufos.
So this is from the 1996 theirstatement.
Okay, over the years the navyhas received innumerable queries
about the so-calledPhiladelphia Experiment or
Project, the alleged role of theOffice of Naval Research, oh

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and the alleged role of theOffice of Naval Research in it.
The majority of these inquiriesare directed to the ONR or the
4th Naval District in Philly,philadelphia.
The frequency of these queriespredictably intensifies each
time the experiment is mentionedby the popular press, in a book
or movie etc.
The genesis of the PhiladelphiaExperiment myth dates back to

(48:46):
1955 with the publication of thecase for UFOs by late Morris K
Jessup.
Sometime after publication ofthe book, jessup received
correspondence from a CarlosMiguel Allende, who gave his
address as RD-1-223, newKensington, pa.
In his correspondence, allendecommented on Jessup's book and
gave details of an allegedsecret naval experiment

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conducted by the Navy inPhiladelphia in 1943.
During the experiment,according to Allende, a ship was
rendered invisible andteleported to and from Norfolk
in a few minutes, with someterrible aftereffects for crew
members.
Supposedly, this incrediblefeat was accomplished by Albert
Einstein's unified field theory.
Allende claimed that hewitnessed the experiment from

(49:28):
another ship and that theincident was reported in a
Philadelphia newspaper.
The identity of the newspaperhas never been established.
Similarly, the identity ofAllende is unknown and no
information exists on hispresent address.
I'm going to stop.
This is halfway through it.
In their official cover-upletter they've already fucked up
because I was able to find allthe obituary information for

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Allende.
No problem that they say thathe sent the book to Jessup with
all the annotations talkingabout the experiment.
Jessup had all the letters.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Well, hold on, hold on.
I'm sorry, I thought the fuckup was that his name isn't
really Allende, it was Allen.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Remember, carlos M Allen is, or Carl M Allen is,
carlos Miguel Allende.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
That's the alias he used, but I thought his alias
name was Allende, so youwouldn't find an obituary for
him.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Right.
They also completely ignore thefact that there was all these
letters and that the onr got thebook they say, yeah, a copy of
jessup's book is milled umanonymously to own, okay.
So they do say they got it.
Sorry, I didn't read far enough.
No, that's okay.
But they say that he also sentjessup's book to jessup
explaining everything.
Oh, right, right, right.
Well, so there's alreadyinconsistencies.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Well, because he actually tried to and they know
that they stopped it.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
So the last part of their cover-up, they got to talk
about the officers.
1956, a copy of Justice's bookwas mailed anonymously to the
ONR.
The pages of the book wereinterspersed with handwritten
comments which alleged aknowledge of UFOs, their means
of motion, their culture andethos, the beings occupying the
UFOs all described inpseudoscience and incoherent
terms.

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Two officers then assigned toOnar took a personal interest
with the book and showed it toJessup.
Jessup concluded that thewriter in the comments of the
book was the same person who hadwritten to him in his book
about the Philadelphiaexperience.
The two officers personally hadthe book retyped and arranged
for a reprint in typewrittenform 25 copies.
We already have found more than25 copies.

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The officers and their personalbelongings have left the onr
many years ago and the onrdoesn't have a file copy of the
annotated book.
Sorry, but people do have it.
It exists, yeah, so personnel.
The fourth naval districtbelieved that the questions
surrounding the so-calledPhiladelphia Experiment arise
from a quite routine researchwhich occurred during World War
II at the Philadelphia NavalShipyard.

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Until recently, it was believedthat the foundation for the
apocryphal stories arose fromdegaussing experiments which
have the effect of making a shipundetectable or invisible to
magnetic minds, Unlike thegenesis of the bizarre stories
about levitation, teleportationand the effects of human crew
members.
This all happened with agenerating plant on a destroyer

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called the USS Timmerman, theD-Gaussing, In the late 50s.
The ship was part of anexperiment to test the effects
of small high-frequencygenerators providing thousands
of hertz instead of a standard400 hertz.
The high frequency generatorproduced corona discharges and
other well-known phenomenaassociated with high frequency
generators.
None of the crews sufferedeffects of the experiment.

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Onr has never conducted anyinvestigations on invisibility,
either in 1943 or at any othertime.
Um, in view of such presentscientific knowledge, onr
scientists do not believe thatthe experiment would be possible
.
Okay, again let's talk aboutinconsistencies here.
You just said they probably gotconfused with other experiments
that were being done duringWorld War II.
And here we did this on theTimmerman in the same base in

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1955.
World War II was over by thatpoint.
Like there's so manyinconsistencies in that letter
alone, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I guess what really sticks out to me is like what I
said before, though, becausethey said, like you said, that
he sent Carlos Carl whatever,sent the book with whatever to
Jessup.
Ok, but we know he tried to.
We can assume that that was apackage of that letter and it
got intervened.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
No, he sent the book to the ONR afterwards.
He was only sending lettersback and forth to Allende.
Yeah, but are we sure.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Because we don't really knowanything.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
We don't know a whole lot of anything.
That's why I said this one isso convoluted that even how to
set this up makes no sense.
But I think the fact thatEinstein was part of a ton of
secret things and the ones thatcame to knowledge were the ones
that were successful.
There's a reason these officersmade 127 copies.
They had to know a cover up ofsomething was coming.

(53:50):
There's just.
There's enough of thegovernment saying something
happened but also covering it upin their most typical cover up
ways.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
OK.
So here's my question If we'resaying, if we're going with the
government and like this didn'thappen, ok, we're saying this
didn't happen or they got sick,whatever.
And like this didn't happen,okay, we're saying this didn't
happen or they got sick,whatever.
When he gives all of theseletters to jessup with people
and he has all of these likedifferent people, the names,
where's the information on thosepeople?
Like?
Did we find them?
Like?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
that's why jessup originally stopped corresponding
with ellen because he wasn'tgetting enough, because he
wasn't giving anything concrete.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Okay, because remember a lot of these men
thought they had different namesyeah, but I'm saying that were
you know, some people got sickor like whatever, so I guess the
government would have changedtheir names.
But you, I mean, I guess youcan kind of at that time you can
pretty much scrub an existenceof it, old, whatever.
Now you can't, I guess youcan't really do that as much.

(54:47):
There's always going to besomething out there, right, but
that would be.
My thing is like okay, so whathappened to all these people
that were supposedly there?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I don't know.
I don't know, man.
I I think this one has pervadedfor so long that, like I, I
honestly think here here's whatthey were trying to do.
I think they were trying tomake the ship invisible on the
water.
They accidentally figured outteleportation, time travel,
whatever, because even we have aproposed or a supposed quote
from einstein that he solved itand was like people aren't ready

(55:18):
for this yet yeah, I guess Idon't know which way to go.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I'm sure, well, I believe that there was this
experiment, I believe that thisdid happen.
I don't know which way.
I would feel like I don't knowhow to tell you what way I feel,
like it went.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I know, fucked up, things happen like hello, like
that's not, but there's alsoenough holes, like you're
pointing out in carl carlos'sstory, that I don't know, and I
mean I I do think the one thingthat I think at least helps
prove that this is beyond like ascience fiction theory is that
jessup and einstein were reallywork.

(55:53):
You know einstein worked on thetheory.
We know the theory tried toexist, right, but the experiment
was happening around the sametime there that jessup's also
looking into the same theory forsimilar propulsion or
anti-gravity things that liketheoretically the teleportation
and time travel is possible,whether it happened in this
situation?
We'll never be able to know butit's still a fucking

(56:16):
interesting conspiracy theory nofor sure.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
And yeah, I mean, we're already like an hour and
we can't keep debating thisbecause we don't have an answer
and I don't think either one ofus have a straight opinion.
Yeah, but, um, I know you weresupposed to ask me again then
would I time travel?
Here's my answer.
My answer is gonna be yes,because I don't necessarily
think that this, aside from theship plopping a little bit
somewhere else, it does have thetime travel in it, but I don't

(56:42):
necessarily think that thisstory is.
I mean, it is time travel, butnot, but not.
Okay, I mean it is, but here's,but here's, let me just.
Let me just finish.
The reason that I'm saying thisis because this was all the way
in what?
43, 42, 43, if you're, I'msorry, um, I hope I don't offend
anybody, but you are fuckingdumb If you think at this moment

(57:07):
, in 2025, we don't have theability to be invisible and
teleport.
If in 1943, we were alreadyworking on it and we did make
some sort of strides, we alreadyknow this.
We're not like we know thatthey were working on it, like
that's, that is fact.
Whatever the way this went, wedo know that.
So, yeah, now this crazy shitain't gonna happen, because how

(57:27):
many years in between is that we?
We fucking know.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Come on I'm gonna ask you the question again, the way
it's written, though not theway you remember it.
If, given the chance, would youtest time travel?

Speaker 1 (57:38):
oh, test it um, well, here's the thing I still think
that I would say yes, because weare in 2025.
I don't think that that partwould happen again.
I'm very confident in ourtechnology, and not not fully
confident, like our technologyis crazy, like ai and shit, but
I'm just saying like yeah if youwere to come to me and be like,
hey, this is the, you knownothing, just there's gonna be

(58:00):
case studies and shit, they'd belike this is the probability,
this is how many people havealready done it.
Like I'd probably be like yeah,let's go.
Where am I?
Where am I going?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
So the last thing I'm going to leave you with and
it's not anything we have todiscuss at length, it's just a
little bit of a thoughtexperiment and I'm pretty sure
Tenny was talking about this inan episode of what's up, what's
up weirdo where something he wasresearching, he researched it
years and years prior and prior,and when he researched it later

(58:31):
, there was all of a sudden alot more details and a lot more
articles I think it was tiny,yeah which is he made an
argument of if time travel backand forth is possible,
researching the same thing atdifferent times would give
different results yeah, for sureI've tried to research this
since the eighth grade.
I couldn't find half of thisinformation before.
Maybe it's the internet gettingbetter.
I've tried to write this twoyears ago and I couldn't find a

(58:51):
lot of this.
Here's the odd case can't findany proof to this other than a
few tiktoks.
But apparently the eldridge wasseen in norfolk in the 80s and
very recently in 2024, when thedrones and everything came back
now.
Remember we talked about thedrones and the plasmoids.
Plasmoids are theseencapsulated balls of plasma

(59:14):
that either come from the sun orfrom the earth, or from
radiation or what could be abyproduct of time travel like
the saint emil's fire the saintemil's fire if this is something
that's ongoing in the future.
They tested it and it wentbackwards and then from back to
forward.
Over time, the information wewould have access to in our

(59:36):
present moment would change.
That's the the last thing I'llsay, because I know we only
talked about teleportation.
We didn't yeah, we didn't talkabout the time travel like the
butterfly effect.
I don't remember seeing a lotof this information before.
I'm not trying to say one wayor the other, I'm just saying no
, but I mean this one's fuckingweird, and I think I I know for
a fact.
Theoretically, with how timetravel has to exist, we've

(59:59):
cracked it, but the generalpublic ain't ready for it no, no
, we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Um, yeah, this episode was a whirlwind.
I'm just like kind of sittinghere like I need to know what I
want, to turn my brain off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I told you I knew this one was kind of a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
No, no, it's a good a lot.
So this is one that I'm goingto have to.
Once you put the episode out,I'm going to, when this comes
out, I'm going to have tore-listen to it because I need
to listen to her as a listener.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, to her as a listener.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, and, as you tell,like us, recording.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I need to listen to this.
I've tried to write this one somany times because it's like
what order do you do you put itall in and how?
How do you make it make themost sense?
Because none of it makes sense.
The cover-up side doesn't makesense.
The if this is really it, justthe whole thing makes zero sense
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
But I loved it because it's like it's one of
those conspiracies that doesgovernment cover up boats,
aliens, like all my favoriteshit, I think it makes sense
that it happened, and I don'teven know if making sense is the
correct terminology we shouldbe using, or verbiage, because
it makes sense.
All of these different littlestories, blips, that happened.
It makes sense.

(01:01:05):
It's just, everybody is tryingto cover something or add to
something else, and so that'swhat doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
this is because it's confusing yeah, I mean we're
talking 80 years ago.
At this point, the subject or,excuse me, the objective truth
is lost.
Everyone has played a game oftelephone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
It makes sense that this happened.
It makes sense that we were, wewere testing it and then this
bad shit happened.
It does make sense that itcould have been time travel or
it really could have beeninvisibility.
And then it also makes sensethat the government would want
to cover this up and it wouldmake sense that somebody would
eventually remember, becausethat's going to happen.
It makes sense.
It's just fucking weird andintertwined.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
The only thing I'll say to end it is maybe we need
to stop looking at this event assomething that happened and
start looking at it as somethingthat's happening.
Yeah, for sure, I agree.
So that's the Philadelphiaexperiment.
I finally did it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Holy cannoli.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I know We've gone really long.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I don't know how long this is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, and I cut stuff and I've stayed quiet for a lot
you did.
You did impressively well.
So with that, leave a boatemoji.
We love you, we appreciate you.
We're going to let you out ofhere really quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
There's a ship emoji, I'm pretty sure.
Yes, all right, wow, okay.
Well, I hope that you guys feellike I do in this, where you're
gonna have to go back andre-listen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Be a listener again, because it's tell us what you
think on this one too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah, this is crazy, I need to know.
All right, no, this is cool, Iloved it.
Thank you so much for finallydoing this, because it was so
much information, I feel likethat.
We probably all didn't know allof it, so that's cool, all
right, uh, leave a ship emojiand maybe like green smoke if
there's green smoke, perfect.
Uh, do all the other things wealready asked.
I'm delusional, let's say themagic words the most important

(01:02:56):
thing that you can do is tocreep it really out of balls
goodbye.
We'll be right back Shadows Atthe Alicia and hope with the

(01:03:30):
eyeballs At the Alicia.
The door's always open At theAlicia.

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