May 22, 2025 • 48 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Kara is talking all things Wendigo, Listen at your own Risk!
Ever felt that chill down your spine while alone in the woods? That primal instinct warning you something's watching from just beyond the tree line? You might have narrowly avoided one of the most terrifying entities in indigenous folklore.
The line between natural fear and supernatural threat blurs as we dive deep into the Wendigo – a creature born from humanity's darkest moments of desperation. This cannibalistic entity stands at the crossroads of spirit and flesh, a transformation that begins with an unthinkable act and ends with eternal, insatiable hunger.
What happens when hunger drives someone to the unthinkable? How does a Wendigo hunt its prey? Can you truly survive an encounter? We answer these questions and more!Listen with the lights on, and join us next week for part two where we'll complete our examination of these supernatural predators with an in-depth look at Skinwalkers. The woods will never feel quite the same after this two-part journey into what waits between the trees.
References:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo
- https://www.britannica.com/topic/wendigo
- https://allthatsinteresting.com/wendigo
- https://www.facinghistory.org/ideas-week/more-monsters-deeper-significance-wendigo-stories#:~:text=In%20most%20traditions%2C%20the%20wendigo,from%20possession%20by%20a%20spirit.
- https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/strange-creatures/wendigoes3.htm
- https://real-supernatural-and-mythical-world.fandom.com/wiki/Wendigo#:~:text=The%20Wendigo%20craves%20human%20flesh,brittle%20bones%20of%20the%20elderly.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin-walker
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I want to dance with the Malt Men At the IA shop,
Baked in the moonlight At the IAshop.
Creep through the graveyard Tothe IA shop.
The door's always open at theOddity Shop.
(00:29):
Hi, welcome back to the OddityShop, the podcast where we tell
you creepy, odd words, strange,bizarre stories from around the
world.
I'm your curator, Zach, sittinghere with your curator Kara.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Wow, are you getting ready to be an auctioneer?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I've been practicing.
Honestly, I just wanted to seehow fast I could do it and if I
could do it without making amistake, and I think I did
halfway decently.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You slurred a lot though, like you weren't like
full words.
Oh OK, I don't know if thatmatters, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, in case it's somebody's first time here, I
don't want them to think we'recrazy.
We are welcome back to theoddity shop, you little oddballs
.
This is the podcast where wetell you creepy, odd, weird,
strange, bizarre stories fromaround the world.
I'm your curator zach, sittinghere with the ugly of the ugly
when I talk slow.
Other lovely curator, kara kara, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
hello, I am great I am so good, glad, oh my god so
we are recording, not late, butwe've had a eventful week both
of us, so we are making thislike a cocktail hour and we
haven't even started thecocktails and you can't even
(01:40):
speak and here's what you guysmight remember might not like
the first, maybe 50 episodes weusually had.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We had anxiety.
Okay, we had to have a drink,so we had some cocktails.
So, yeah, we're going backoutside.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's friday night which is weird for us, and I
don't work tomorrow, which isweird for me we've earned some
drinks this week, I think yeah,and if you want to have a drink
with us when you're listening,if you can I don't know If you
don't drink have a water.
I also have a water with liquidIV in it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And that's what being over 30 is.
Also, if you're driving andlistening, please don't join us
and drink.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, so that's that.
That's that.
What's new with you of our badweeks?
I really, really, really,really desperately need Mother
Nature to hear my cries, becauseI need to be able to put my
feet in the grass, like now,yesterday, five weeks ago.
I need to get my littlewitchiness.
I don't know what's going on.
(02:36):
I had a terrible day the otherday.
I just had a lot of stuff builtup and it was freezing out.
Okay, I'm talking freezing, butI walked my ass into the woods.
I ruined my converse, by theway, because it was so muddy it
was like the white part, thewhole shoe.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Oh, I was saying, mr Clean, magic erasers, make mine
look brand new.
You should try it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm sure I could take a hose to them, but I'm talking
that like it.
The mud went up to my ankles,okay, but I still didn't care.
I trucked through the woods foran hour and a half and I bawled
my eyes out the entire time onthe phone with my mother.
How healing there was deerseverywhere looking at me, though
.
But here's my problem.
I hate the cold, so it was verygreat.
I loved it because I justneeded to be outside, but I need
(03:18):
mother nature to give me somesunshine.
I need to lay in the grassthat's fair.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I just need, just need it.
Where'd you go in the woods?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Um, so you know that trail that I I told you about
but I've never taken you.
It's across the street fromthat cemetery.
It's like behind that creepyhouse.
I just went back there Causethat's like just the closest I
could just walk from my house.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And I figured if I just went into, not middle of
the night it was like eighto'clock.
But in the winter people wouldbe like what the fuck's wrong
with the girl?
I mean, people probably thinkthat about you quite a bit they
do, but I I just wanted to bewhere no one could see me, so I
went in the woods, except forthe deers saw me.
They were there for support andthen this is completely random,
but it like was like holy shit.
So remember, it was probablyone of the first, my favorite
murder, like one of their firstepisodes, and they covered this
(04:02):
and I it stuck with me foreverand Morbid just did it on one of
their last, like latest,episodes and so I re-listened to
it and it just it's one ofthose things where it's like
holy crap, like if we could allbe as amazing as this person.
Do you remember the case ofAlison Both?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Not at all.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay, I think it's allison both.
I hope I'm right.
She is the incredible womanthat survived her attackers that
literally slit her throat likeoh yeah, okay, yep, yep, yep,
yep, yep, oh yes where herintestines okay we can, you guys
can look it up.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I this gives me the absolute most heebie-jeebies of
all time.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It really does.
It's so awful.
Morbid did a very, very goodjob of it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, they did.
I've listened to that one ForMorbid, or did it just come out?
Who else?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
did it then my Favorite Murder.
That was when I first heard it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Somebody else did it because I remember them talking
about my Favorite Murdercovering it oh, I don't, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I only listened to that, but the morbid one is
recent.
It's really good.
I mean they're all whatever,but on it I'm just gonna say
this it it sounds so awful, butif you, I'm not gonna give you
all the details because it's sogruesome I will pass out this
woman survived.
So much stuff we can survivethe week that is true.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
If you're ever wild struggles, if you're ever having
a struggle getting throughthings, look up her story.
If she can do it, yeah, kara'sright, you can.
It is horrifying.
Nobody should have survivedwhat she did, and to become an
advocate after that, andeverything that she's done is
incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, and actually she had another really horrible
medical scare like a couplemonths ago, and they did have a
GoFundMe for her and it's inAfrica.
So it's not GoFundMe, it's likesome buddy system, but it ended
before I could donate.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, that's kind of a good thing.
If it ended, they probably hittheir goals.
Then I think they did that'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
All right.
Well, that was my week.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What about yours?
Well, technically, like in reallife time, well, not our real
life time, but time this comesout, I will be just getting back
from my European cruise, so I'mhoping that went well, back
from my european cruise, so I'mhoping that went well, it went.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, that's about it .
Oh, I got that new home gymthis week you did, or exactly a
week ago and you were a littleuh, facebook marketplace.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Okay, listen, if you will, you, I have been going
back and forth on whether to buyit at retail price and the
retail price is very expensive,but you finance it over 12
months and I've been going backand forth and right before I was
like about to do it, I hadtried a few of the workouts.
It's the tempo system.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep, and shout out to lauren haunts, because she gave
you a code and she gave me afree month.
You needed it.
Well, she didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
She really didn't push it, but she she gave me the
free month, um.
So I went on marketplace andthere was one for like a third
of the retail price and I endedup getting it, for.
I talked her down, we worked onit, I got it for less than 20
full retail and it worksbeautifully.
It's like brand new.
I'm sore as shit, but I love it.
That's awesome.
(06:59):
That's so good.
Yay, yeah, so there's good newsto offset your dark news.
I think that's it, though.
Do we have anything before weget the shop open?
No, all right, you better havea question to open the shop up
for me, or?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
else I'm going to be pissed.
You know what's really fuckingbad.
I do not have one.
I just realized I do not haveone.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm leaving, All right guys.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
This was a great episode.
I guess.
Go ahead, just start, okay.
Anyway, I'm sorry, I don't havequestions, so what can I think
of?
Uh, what's okay?
So what is like your vice,would you say?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
oh I don't know what mine is nicotine for sure yeah I
at least got off cigarettes,but my e-cig and me are.
It's so bad it needs to go away, but I feel like it's of all
the bad vices I've had, I'vekicked all the rest of them, so
okay that has nothing to do withwhat we're talking about, but
it's a question.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh, you were just calling me out.
Okay, what's yours?
I don't know, probably alcohol,right, I don't know what's my
vice sniffling okay, I don'tknow if I have advice.
Let me look up the definitionof advice.
I'll get back to you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
All right, I think by now that we all know that I
love me.
A vampire and a werewolf, yes,yes, we all know this.
I love a tragic story ofchanging into something
supernatural and powerful, goodevil, wondering if this newfound
(08:29):
ability can collide with themundane existence you were once
content with.
So I admittedly love thethought of having a fight like
to fight an evil inside of you.
That's like life altering tosomebody else.
So say what you want about me.
That's why we're here.
Okay, this all to say thatthere are other creature spirit
(08:51):
things that fascinate me just asmuch as they terrify me more
than like anything that we talkabout on here.
So, like the vampire and thewerewolf, they're like very
different like things, but Ifeel like the two things that
we're going to talk about today,I feel like often get confused
for one another.
So I figured why not talk abouttwo incredibly terrifying
(09:16):
entities?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Are you really doing these both in one?
Oh baby, You've been teasing mewith this episode for two and a
half years.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, this has nothing to do with vampires and
werewolves, but these twocreature things fascinate me so
much, just like those two.
But I am afraid to like delveinto them because, like a
vampire and werewolf, I'm justlike.
They're really cool, I want tobe them.
I don't know about these.
Alright, I just want you to beinformed.
This is your warning.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I knew it was coming.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So talking about this type of subject matter can be
like summoning them.
Some would say and I will nottake offense if you just plop
right on off right now.
I will not be mad if you dropoff.
Okay, bye, Zachary, you have tostay.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Also.
It's really hard, but I amgoing to try to not say their
names as much as I possibly, orI'm only going to say as much as
I possibly can, but it's kindof really hard not to you know
what I mean.
Like, when you're talking aboutit, it's hard for it to just
not come out.
So I'm going to try to do ourbest, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's okay, you just do a pre-sage and a post-sage
and do a little magic.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, I'm going to give some code names that we can
use, but I might forget to usethem, so I'm just giving you
guys that warning as well.
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
God fucking no.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, Well, today, tonight, whenever your ear holes
listen to this.
We are talking about thedifference between a Ear holes.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
listen to this.
We are talking about thedifference between a Skinwalker
and a Wendigo.
Oh gosh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So code names are Windy Boy and you can thank two
girls, one ghost, because I'mpretty sure they came up with
that, and I actually think theycame up with the Flesh
Pedestrian, which is what we'regoing to call a Skinwalker.
Okay so thank you, girls.
Either way, here you go, and weare going to start with the
Wendigo, or our little windy boy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
All right.
So now, depending on who youtalk to, it can be pronounced
Wendigo, Wendigo, Wendigo.
It's kind of like one of thosethings.
It's just like almost reallyinterchangeable depending on
where you are.
So you pick.
Whatever you decide.
That's what you can think of inyour head.
Don't say it out loud, Allright.
So the Windy Boy originatesfrom Algonquin, speaking
(11:33):
folklore.
So these include the Ojabwe,the Solta, the Cree, the Naskapi
Naskapi, sorry and the Innu.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I tried my best, I wrote out my abbreviations and I
practiced because I don't wantto upset anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think you did pretty darn good.
I'm actually proud of you fornot even stumbling.
Thank you, I did a little.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Okay.
So the word though, wendigo,has many different translations
within Native American languages.
So the English word is actuallythe source of the Ojabwe, but
the Cree actually have it.
They call it a Wetiko.
So again, there's just, likeall, different like ways and
obviously translation changesbetween different languages.
(12:18):
So it makes sense.
Some interpretations mean owl,which you're like okay, cool,
not bad.
Some mean a winter cannibalmonster and others mean the evil
spirit that devours mankind.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I've definitely heard the second too, although
there's some creepy owl lore outthere too.
Well, there is, they're all alittle terrifying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
So the Windy Boy is often described having humanoid
characteristics, but also likenot because they have a skull
head with a long stout.
So like picture a goat skull.
And then it also has antlers tomatch the unsettling lack of
facial facial features I'vealways thought it looked kind of
like a deer skull right a deeror like a goat to me like
(13:03):
something like that I guess itdepends on the depiction too
yeah, and then it has antlers.
Uh, fangs protrude the empty eyeholes for eyes glow.
Oh, it's just like creepycomparing to what I don't know,
but it stands 15 feet tall, iswhat people say now do you take
the 15 feet tall?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
are you you mad about their height description?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, that's what I said, Comparing to what I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Okay, let's say usually there's a whole common I
know.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's why I put it in there, because I'm not even
getting into it.
Fierce eyesight, shockinghearing, impeccable sense of
smell, speed and strength tomatch its predatorial creation
frightening.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
That's impressive for not having the organs to hear
or see or smell.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, I think it has organs, I just don't think it
has a head, flesh head.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, but if it has empty eye holes.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, I think it has all the other organs.
Okay, body.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I was talking about its sensory organs, yeah, but
what is it?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So, depending on what adaptation you go with, it's
either a malevolent spirit or acreature.
That's a cannibalistic monsterOkay.
So it just depends on where youget your info from.
It's either like a spiritmonster Okay, how does one
become a Windy Boy?
Or how are they brought forward, you might ask.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
How are they brought forward?
Kara?
Curator Kara.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay.
So in Countless Dark Tales, theWindy Boy begins as a human
driven by unbearable hunger ordepression, who succumbs to the
unspeakable act of cannibalismand is forever transformed.
So, according to some legends,a malevolent spirit can possess
a human, twisting their soul anddriving them to cannibalism,
(14:54):
thus birthing the Wendigo withinOld tales whisper of sorcerers
who, through a dark curse, couldturn a person into a windy boy
or a creature of hunger andshadow, doomed to wander the
wilderness forever.
So cliff notes version versioncannibalism.
(15:14):
Like you, something happenslike a tragic event.
You resort to cannibalism, youturn or possession.
You were possessed by one to beone, or a sorcerer cursed you.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I love that your footnotes were just as long as
the original description, but itseemed at least two out of the
three.
It seems like something elseturned to you which takes a
little bit of the responsibilityoff.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I don't.
I don't know what would be yourfavor, which one?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, I'm not going to just turn into a cannibal.
So I feel like I'd have to beturned.
But if I had to choose, I wouldjust choose to not become one.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Right, all right.
So the Wendy boy is often viewsviewed as a haunting symbol of
deep trauma, loss and the direconsequences of desperation.
It's legend sometimesintertwined with the brutal
legacy of settler violenceagainst indigenous people.
Right so, like a lot offolklore, there's a deeper
(16:11):
meaning within the legend.
Real life problems are likeinsatiable greed.
Selfishness, gluttony andviolence are what the Wendigo
represents.
So for our little Wendy boy,most sightings are noted between
the 1800s and the 1920s okay asthe legend spread, so did blame
(16:33):
for a lot of the murder and thedisappearances and tribes which
we get that, we get that withlike witch trials and things
like that you know it's kind ofremind me and I'm so this will
be a super quick side note.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
No, you're good, like the way they come about and how
it's in the lore and stuff.
I wonder if, because you knowwe've pretty much debunked the
Dybbuk box, if the Dybbuk boxtakes from this lore of the
Dybbuk is a demon that you knowcame from somebody who is
terrible in real life.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, what I will say and actually this is a really
good place for me to just putthis because I didn't actually
write it in Native Americanculture, beliefs, folklore, all
this is so very serious to them.
So a lot of people actuallyfrown upon people that are not
part of that culture to actuallytalk about this type of stuff.
(17:20):
So I don't want to offendanybody, I don't want to upset
anybody, like, that's not whatwe're trying to do.
We're just trying to spread theknowledge between the
difference of these two things,because they are very different.
So I don't, I just want to putthat out there.
There was disclaimers on mostof my research.
All right, well.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I we appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, during the harsh winter of 1878 and 79, a
season marked by starvation andsuffering along the cree swift
runner uh fell under the grip ofwhat came to be known as
wendigo psychosis.
Oh, that.
That was like a real diagnosisyeah, and actually I think it's
(18:00):
still used in certain likethings, because it's basically a
condition described byanthropologists as involving
delusions and an uncontrollableurge toward cannibalism.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Could you imagine just an uncontrollable urge for
cannibalism?
I couldn't.
Cannibalism is so fascinatingto me.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We talked about this in one of our, in our cannibal
episode.
I just yeah, yeah, it's sofascinating to me because I just
don't have an urge to eat ahuman, but then it's very
freaking weird that we haveurges to eat like a cow.
That is true, yeah, I think me,you and lauren talked about
this and oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,we did shout out lauren, all
right.
So in its thrall he murderedhis wife and children, consuming
(18:42):
their flesh.
He was eventually captured, putin jail and, in december of
1879, hanged.
I mean, I guess good probablyfor the best so this is just one
example of somebody claiming tobe overtaken by a wenzel and
then it being like the diagnosisagain.
I am not saying that they'renot real because I 100 believe
(19:05):
in them.
It's just that things like thisspread again like the witch
trials.
I believe in witches, I believein magic.
Did I think that everybody wasa witch and they deserve to die?
Fuck no, but you know thingsthat don't go their way.
They accuse people of all kindsof things, or if you did
something horrific, you mightblame it on something else right
, right, absolutely the fall guy.
(19:26):
Yeah, so the one day boy'shunger never ends.
No matter how much it eats,it's always starving, and that's
why it looks so thin and weary.
So it just it's never satiated.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That also sounds terrible, not only having a
taste for human flesh, which hasalways been hungry.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I would take wanting to eat humans over never feeling
full.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Absolutely 100% hands down.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, we're fucking crazy.
Stories say it has itsfavorites the soft fat of
children, the smooth skin ofwomen, the tough muscle of men,
especially hunters and warriors,and even the brittle bones of
elderly.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
So basically it doesn't have favorites, how does
it have favorites?
Just what am I in the mood fortoday?
Oh, I'm like a baby with a sideof elderly.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right, elderly bones.
It just craves it all.
It craves it all and once itcatches your scent, it won't
stop until it feeds.
Basically, it's like it's notlike you can escape the grasp of
it.
You can try, but I don't knowif you're going to win.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So basically, if you put me within the scent area of
bacon, yeah, I will not stopuntil I feed Same.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Or me and you at holidays when we eat the little
weenies oh, pigs in a blanketthank you, the pigs in the
blanket there's like yeah, we'lljust be.
Oh, my god, um, okay.
So they are known to mimicloved ones and lure you to
secluded areas like the woodsokay all right, so now.
How are you feeling, though,after all of this?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I've always heard the last one being attributed to
the other thing we're talking to, but I think I'm thinking ahead
on that, so I'm going to savesome comments.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
No, this is your.
I gave you a splot, A splot.
I gave you a slot so far.
What are your feelings aboutthis?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I just so far right, like the mimicking other voices
and stuff it.
It reminds me of the storiesI've heard of the flesh
pedestrians and I I think theyand I I assume this is where
you're going that they're alittle bit more intertwined than
we thought.
The other thing that I alwaysthink about with these right is
there's so many differentphysical descriptions like I
think the most common is theantler and the skull and that
(21:36):
but sometimes, like they justlook like human.
I think it's one of thosethings that, like different
cultures are seeing it throughtheir perspective and give
different well, that's why it'slike different.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, it's like different tribes have their own
um.
I can't think of the worddescriptions yeah, but like um,
whatever, it doesn't matter, buteach tribe kind of has their
own like version, if you willyeah they all kind of are like
aligned, but they are different.
That's why some translate todifferent meanings and they look
a little bit different and likethe stories are a little bit
(22:07):
different, but it all basicallyis the main thing is the same,
or like how you become, one isdifferent in different legends
or whatever.
Right, let me tell you thatwith the help of my enemy chat,
gpt I created a how to survive awendigo encounter.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh, a practical and slightly terrifying wait can you
survive if they catch yourscent?
Because if they don't stop todo that, okay, wait, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna take notes all right,number one, oh, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Um, I also had it configure it into a principal
like oh, perfect, and I figuredit'd be fun if I like put it in
patreon or like mailed it to ourlittle patreons there you go,
so fun like here.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If you want to survive a wendy boy attack, you
gotta subscribe.
Oh god, that's the worstSubscribe or die.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Number one know the signs.
Wendy boys don't just strollinto town.
They creep, lurk and hauntplaces heavy with sorrow, hunger
and isolation.
Keep an eye and ear out forunnatural howling in the dead of
night, sudden bone chilling,cold even in summer, vanishing
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people or animals, treesstripped bare in one eerie path,
a lean, gaunt figure withglowing eyes, always watching
from just beyond the firelight,always watching Mr Wazowski.
Number two avoid the triggers.
Wendy boys are born fromdesperation and taboo,
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especially cannibalism.
So if you're lost in the woodswith a group, don't split up,
don't resort to violence orbetrayal and definitely don't
cover yourself in seasonings.
Eat anyone, and definitely don'teat anyone, no matter how
desperate things get.
Okay, Seriously, just don't.
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It reminds me of um.
What's the movie?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Can you give me one more detail?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Uh.
Blair Witch Project the.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Shaky One, there we go.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
They should have been to all turned in one, because
they all turned on each other.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You guys don't play like charades or Pictionary with
Kara.
It's that movie, the one thatshakes.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Here's the problem I only do that with like you, or
like Aaron, because you know meso well that most of the time
you know exactly what I'mtalking about.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I am.
I've learned how to speak, kara, over the years.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, number three, arm yourself if you must.
Okay, number three, armyourself if you must.
If it's already too late andyou're being stalked, legend
offers a few tools that mighthelp you Fire their icy hearts.
Despise flame Torches,campfires or flamethrowers if
you're wild like that.
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Silver weapons Not alwaysreliable, but some tales say
silver can harm or kill a wendyboy, sort of like the werewolf.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Hey, going back to, would a lighter be enough?
No, oh, shoot, it might like.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Because that would just be a really easy way to say
like save yourself 99 cent,bank it might maybe make them
like weary of you, and then youcan get a head start and run,
but they'll just catch you.
So, okay, okay, target theheart, supposedly made of ice.
You'll need to pierce it andthen burn it to ashes.
No mercy.
Dismemberment, dismemberment,is that how you say it?
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Dismemberment.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
There you go.
I knew you'd get there.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Plus fire dismemberment.
There you go.
I knew you'd get there plusfire.
So your safest bet is creepy,but, yes, effective, hopefully.
So you're gonna dismember thebody and then set it all ablaze.
Okay, number four what did youhave a question?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
no statement.
The?
Um, you're not gonna get this,but the?
Um ice king from lord of the ornot lord of the rings.
Game of of Thrones is very muchlike this.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Oh, okay, I'm sure they took.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You know all that like legend and If you've
watched Game of Thrones, you nowknow how to save yourself from
a Wendy boy.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Okay, Okay, number four trust the elders and the
stories.
Traditional knowledge is yourbest defense.
Indigenous legends often speakof ceremony, spiritual guidance
and respect for nature as waysto keep the Wendy boy away in
the first place.
Seek wisdom before you seekweapons.
I like that.
Knowledge is power.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think seek wisdom before you seek weapons is a
great phrase.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
For our entire world right now.
Mm-hmm, number five If you seeone, run.
No, really, just run.
They're fast, they know thewoods better than you, but you
might get lucky if you crossrunning water.
Some legends say that theycan't Hide near strong fire or
iron, kind of like we talkedabout before.
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Keep your back to somethingsolid.
Never let it circle you Allright.
Zach's just falling asleep overhere.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
He's not paying attention to the rules and
something's going to happen andhe's not going to know what to
do.
Listen, if one of the rules isrun, I'm already counting myself
out.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Listen, I'll print it small and you can keep it in
your wallet.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Perfect, okay, keep it right next to my Miranda
right.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, number six, final warning the Wendy boy
isn't always just a beast in thewoods.
It's a hunger that creeps intoyour heart.
Greed, betrayal, desperationthat's how it starts.
So remember, stay warm, staytogether and never forget who
you are.
So I can't go camping aloneanymore.
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No, the whole time I had theserules I was like Zach no, no, no
, no.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's okay, I never crave human flesh.
I'm good Well until you do.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
How do you feel now about the little wind boy?
Any difference, same About thesame, about the same.
All right, I'm just, you know,got to do it gotta, I still
don't want to cross one allright, I have an encounter I, I
know you do.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know who you should have asked.
Actually, you know who had acrazy encounter.
It is um one of our recentguests, xy she's got, and if you
guys haven't picked up herbooks yet, she has a crazy story
in there.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
But so I thought of I actually did think about
emailing her and asking her, butshe's still gallivanting the
states with her husband and I'mlike I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
She's living her Florida life.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
No, now she's in.
I think she jumped somewhereelse.
Oh good for her Before comingback home.
I don't know, she's a wildlittle lady.
So this is from my favoriteReddit.
The username is hails1721.
I've posted this in the Wendigocommunity.
I'm in, but I also wanted toshare this here to see if anyone
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else has any intel that canhelp me, since the other
community seems to be prettyquiet.
I realize how unbelievable thisstory might be, but I assure
you it's entirely true.
I've had countless experienceswith the supernatural since I
was four.
I'm 33 now, but this is one ofthe most terrifying ones I've
had.
I've looked at some of thestories in this community to see
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if there's anything I haven'tdiscovered yet.
I thought that if I share myencounter here, there might be
someone who has some informationthat could help.
Please don't comment if youdon't believe in the
supernatural.
I've seen the skepticsplastering their two cents on
some of these posts.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh, that poor girl is asking for trolls right there,
I know, or boy.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
Looking for legitimateinformation.
My questions are at the end ofthis.
Thanks in advance.
I had an experience with a Wendyboy this fall in early October
in northern Minnesota in a stateforest very close to it, if not
on a reservation.
I've always heard that speakingof them can draw them to you,
but I hadn't thought or listenedto any Wendy stories Wendy
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stories, I don't know why thatgot me anytime close to my
encounter.
I was staying with some verydear friends I'll call them M
and C, and they have a camper intheir yard by the lake for
guests to sleep in.
I had walked down to the camperfrom the house with my
miniature dash hound, ebony.
You know this is also why Ipicked it yeah Around midnight
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and found that I need to setsome things up, primarily the
heater.
By the time I was done gettingeverything in order, it was
approximately 1.30.
I never thought to lock thedoor because really I figured
it's in the middle of the woodsso there was nothing to worry
about.
I was wrong.
I had closed the curtains,thank God, and I was having
trouble falling asleep becausemy anxiety was going mad.
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M and C's dogs were barkingoutside and their geese wouldn't
stop honking.
Ebony, who usually sleeps underthe covers, was sitting on my
hip while I laid on my side, andI could feel her turning her
head back and forth like she wastrying to track something
outside.
I tried tucking her under theblankets to calm her down, but
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she kept returning to her perchon my hip.
I have no idea how long I laidthere, I would say, at least 40
minutes when all of a sudden Iheard m's voice outside the
camper.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
No, anybody in there?
Hmm, this shouldn't behappening in the midwest.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
This is appalachia level shit no, it's not, I don't
like.
Can you imagine, though, that,like at this point, it's like
two something in the morning andyou just hear anybody In there,
hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
In your friend's voice.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm ignoring it.
I'm pretending to be asleep.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Duh, you know I'm in here.
It's your camper, right, okay?
And then it sounded like Clawsdragged down the side Of the
camper.
I almost called back to herwhen I realized number one, she
and C were both fast asleep bynow.
Number two M knew I was inthere.
She wouldn't ask if anybody was.
Suddenly I noticed everythinghad gone absolutely silent
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outside.
The dogs and the birds hadstopped crying on, the gusts of
wind had even stopped.
It was the kind of silence youhear about in horror stories,
how the woods go mute whensomething evil is in the area.
Then another thought hit me.
Ebony would be losing her shitand barking at the door if it
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had been anything human.
She was frozen by my hip, dead,quiet, shaking.
I didn't dare to move, but Iwas also starting to have to pee
, I was just going to say thissounds like you.
Yeah, and I remembered that Ihadn't locked the door.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And like when you have to choose between peeing or
death, or like not peeing ordeath is the better way to say
that.
I know you're going to pickpeeing.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, I have no idea how long I laid there debating
whether I should get up and usethe bathroom and lock the door,
but it felt like an eternity Inreality.
I guessed it may be 10-15minutes.
I thought it may have been aflesh pedestrian at first, but I
remembered that they don'ttypically mimic the voices of
your loved ones to lure you intothe woods.
Wendy boys do See, I've heardthat about both.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Actually the other one more.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
See, no, I haven't.
But I did read some stuff aboutthe flesh pedestrians doing
that, but it is not asdocumented.
Okay, from what I found, I knewthese creatures demons,
whatever they are can lurehumans out of their abodes if
they make eye contact with you,and everything in me was
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screaming to make sure I didn'tlook outside.
I made double sure I didn'tlook through the cracks in the
curtains as I walked softly tothe front of the camper and very
slowly turned the lock.
Praying and holding my breath,I made sure to keep my eyes away
from the windows as I crawledback in bed and pulled Ebony
close and she finally stayedunder the blankets.
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I snuck a peek at my phone forthe time before I laid down,
figuring it had to be 3 am, thewitching hour.
It was about 2.30.
As soon as I laid down, thewind kicked back up and MNC's
basset hounds erupted into howlsas they came running down to
the camper.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Bring these dogs inside they're not her dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Save them.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I don't care, yeah, but they were at the house.
She's far away from the house.
What does she get Then?
She would have had to leave thecamper.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Do it for the dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Bro, you're crazy.
I mean I get it, but you would.
Then you'd have to literallyleave the camper.
She was in the middle of thewoods off the property of her
friend's house.
The dogs were safer than shewas, doesn't sound?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
like it.
They were at the house.
This thing could go for them,although it likes humans, so oh
my God.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I heard the Bassetts came back to the camper barking
a few more times before theylaid down outside the door to
protect me.
Now, can she save them?
No, I didn't get out of bedagain that night.
I told MNC what happened thenext morning.
I think I was hoping M wouldsay that he maybe did come down
to check on me and Ebony, butshe or that she would.
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Oh my God, fuck it.
You get it.
But she confirmed what Ialready knew.
They had gone to bed as soon asI left the house.
I said a prayer over theirhouse and the camper and all of
us the following night and hadan uneventful night, thank God.
I also spoke with another guywho's familiar with the
supernatural to see if he knewany more about the Wendigo.
I'm not sure how accurate theinformation he gave me was, or
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if it's reliable at all.
Accurate the information hegave me was, or if it's reliable
at all.
But when I asked him why Ebonyhadn't made a peep, I had
assumed it was because she wasabsolutely petrified.
He said the Wendy boy cancontrol animals to keep them
from alerting their owners aboutits presence.
He also told me one they can'tenter houses that aren't made of
wood directly from the forest.
They're hunting in tents andcampers included, because they
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consist of man-made materials.
Two, a lock is useless.
They can unlock a door so theycan try to lure you outside.
And three, they typically stayin the woods but they will come
into a smaller town and neverinto a city.
I had never heard of any of whathe told me before, so again, I
can't speak for accuracy, but Ialso hadn't researched the
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claims either.
He also advised me to never gooutside to pee at night if I
ever go camping, and to bring abucket or something to use and
to make sure that I always closetent flaps and curtains before
falling asleep.
He said if the flaps are open soyou can see outside, the Wendy
boy can make eye contact withyou and draw you out.
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After leaving MNCs to go to myfather's house for a few days, I
had the distinct feeling ofbeing watched when I took Ebony
outside after dark.
My father lives three hoursaway from MNC but his house is
in the country.
I told myself it was only thefear of the experience and what
I know about the Wendy boytriggering an overreaction
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imagination.
I never heard anything and Iwatched Ebony's behavior very
closely and she didn't act likeshe had in the camper.
I'm moving back to that areafrom Canada and this experience
has been weighing heavily on mymind.
I've been trying to find anyinformation about warding them
off, or if they have a homehunting range, like cougars do,
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or if they move from one regionto another.
My prayers did work the secondnight, so I figured I can pray
over the property.
I also have holy water that Ican use, since the Wendy boy is
an evil spirit that possessespeople or physically manifests
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Frustratingly.
A majority of what comes up insearches is utter garbage.
Does anyone know if a Wendy boystays in one area?
Are my concerns about it comingback when I get moved into my
cabin warranted, or am Iworrying excessively?
Do you have any tips of wardingthem off?
Thanks again for anyinformation you can offer.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Here's one of the things and I'm glad she she kind
of struck on it at the end, butthis is one of the things
that's always confused me aboutboth of the the creatures you
want to talk about, is they areboth at the same time corporeal
and incorporeal, like they'remade out of man-made parts, but
they're also a spirit well, itdepends on where you go, because
that's what I was saying at thebeginning.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Some people think that they're a malevolent spirit
speaking for the wendigo, andsome people actually think
they're a creature right, but Imean the in the story you just
read.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
She said oh, she called it a spirit at the end,
but also said it was made ofman-made parts and like.
I think this is why it's so shesaid it can't enter man-made
parts oh, because you said itwhen you said it's made of
man-made parts you're talkingabout because it can't enter in
um that's how you're talkingabout the creature, not the no
no, no so it can't some legendssay that it can't enter in if
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it's not made of wood.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Like it's man-made.
It's made of man-made parts.
Yeah, no, I got you now.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But to me I've still heard it both ways Like it has a
skull and antlers, but it'salso spirit, because it's very
much in like Axia's a spectrallevel.
So it's the whole thing of themis so confusing.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I think to me supernatural anything is never
defined in one way.
I think we kind of know that,but to me I do think it's more
of a spiritual thing that canpresent as like a physical
creature is what makes sense inmy head, I guess, because Too.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
we're putting a very human view on it.
You're right, by the way yousaid, that is who say it's
neither of those things, andwe're just trying to explain it
yeah, right.
Okay, fair Enough.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Basically that is our Wendy boy, so it is developed
from mostly cannibalism of aloved one, something like that.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
But some sources say it can be casted on you, cursed
on you, possessed by one and youbecome one, but it is basically
a cannibalistic entity.
However you want to view it,that is what that is and I.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I think those are the only two things.
Yeah, you can claim 100 aboutthese, because and everything
else is a lot of conjecture.
But yeah, it does seem for theclassification of the wendy boy
that it started human and thenyeah, comes whatever, yeah, no,
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
You know, and it's like like we talked about, it's
like it can be a tale of um,like warning, you know, like
younger generations um, but tonative americans, you know that
their spirit, spirit,spirituality, spirituality thank
you is very, very important tothem and their culture, and so I
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never want want to make lightof that, because I fully believe
it.
But some people are just like,no, it's a tale.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, it's a tale, but I think that these are one
of those things that have hadenough evidence.
While I don't think that thosewho experience it know 100% what
they're dealing with, I thinkthere's enough evidence to say
that we're dealing withsomething and the
classifications we put on itmakes sense enough that we can
at least understand thephenomenon.
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Did you come across anything inyour research on this?
One of it draining the lifeforce?
Because that's that's somethingthat I've heard from a couple
different people.
I know like xe was one, andthere's a few others where it
can almost like take residencein your not in always in your
house, but in your area, and itsort of like pulls off of the
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energy of the living.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, I think, because it is a predator, that's
kind of like the vibe of it.
It lurks and it like preys onyou.
So I do think that, without meof like actually reading that, I
think that is kind of what it'sdoing.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
It is like preying on you, it's like and I guess if
it has the energy, like if youmake the eye contact it'll kind
of pull it's manipulating you tolike pull you, and then it's
like going to.
So it is a point like almostlike a keep on and say like a
psychological attack.
But that's not a psychic, apsychic attack.
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God, yeah, like I, psychologicalattack, but that's not a um, a
psychic, a psychic attack.
God, yeah, yeah, like I knowit's right there.
This is why we don't typicallyrecord fridays, because we're
brained out at the end of theweek.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh yeah, sure, we sure are all right.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
So so, with it being, though, like a psychic attack
or not.
Okay, I'm interested and I havea feeling with the so that you
just said, and where we're at intime you're going to break this
up into.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I guess what you guys .
I'm so sorry, my littleoddballs.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
We knew this was going to happen.
These are two big ones.
We got to do it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I had to do it in one episode because I really think
that the importance of thedifferences need to be more
talked about, because I don'tthink people understand.
But it is a heavy episode, asin we all need to go cleanse
ourselves, take a shower, drinksome water.
Sage, don't go outside for aminute, don't go in the woods.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Can I ask you permission on behalf of myself
and the listeners.
Okay, I would like to make thisa little bit more engaging.
Oh, no, so we have a weekbetween now and the next one.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh Lord.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I will, either yes or no, do it.
You tell me, and I think ourlisteners could do it too.
Would you be opposed to medoing some research on the other
one, because I think you and Ihave different theories on how
these do and we'll have like areally good discussion at the
end on similarities anddifferences.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So you're going to talk about the flesh pedestrian
next week?
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Okay.
So do you want me to stay blindand not do any research, or can
I and our listeners educateourselves on the similarities?
And differences so that wecould have more of a debate at
the end.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I'm going to leave that up to you guys.
Okay, yeah, I'm going to leavethat up to you guys.
If I were you, I would justwant to listen, and I don't want
to fucking do research if Idon't have to.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
But if you want to, I'll tell you this.
I am the only thing I'm goingto look up, because I have a
working theory in my head.
I want to look up at least acouple sources that fight my
confirmation bias so that we canhave a spirited discussion
about it next week.
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Is this where we leave theWendy's and the Fleshy's from?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I mean, we are, I will.
I really don't want to offendanybody because every article I
was reading they were likepeople that don't have any right
to know about these shouldn'ttalk about them.
So I'm trying so hard not tooffend people.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I think you are totally fine.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Okay.
So yes, you guys do what youwant.
Zach's going to do his ownresearch because he has theories
, because he can't not havetheories, because his brain
never stops working.
It's not a bad thing I can'tturn it off.
I can't turn it off so I thinkmost of you are going to go in
blind or with the uh thoughts,uh, that you already have.
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But if you do have someresearch or you have some
thoughts, at least on the wendyboys, I would love to have you
guys start talking to us aboutthem now though, like when you
listen to this, because that way, a whole week maybe, we can
read some of your stories aboutthe Wendy boys on the flesh
pedestrian or play yourvoicemails or play your
voicemails.
So if you have any insight onthis, if this is part of your
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culture and things like that, Iwould love you to love, for you
to give me any more insight.
Critique, that'd be nice.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I'm doing my best.
We have feelings.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
So everybody go sage.
Hopefully I didn't say the wordtoo much.
I tried hard not to.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I think you only did once or twice.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Actually, you did pretty darn good, I think I said
it more than I should have, butit's okay, we don't allow that
energy around us.
Okay, okay, we don't allow it.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
So with that, is it time to close the shop.
It is time to close the shop.
So all I have to say is thisthen okay, you don't have to
when to go home, but you can'tstay here oh, thank you, I'll be
here all week.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Let's leave the ice cube emoji and a heart, because
they have like ice for hearts.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Oh, just like you, perfect.
I love those emojis.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
All right, we're going to wrap it up.
We love you, we appreciate youand we will see you next week
for part two.
Part two, part two but yeah, doall the things that we just
asked and, uh, the mostimportant thing you can do for
us is to be safe from wendy boysand creep a real you little
eyeballs goodbye.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Thank you, I'm at the IRE shop.
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The door's always open.
I'm at the IRE shop.
I want to dance with the Malt Men At the IA shop,
Baked in the moonlight At the IAshop.
Creep through the graveyard Tothe IA shop.
The door's always open at theOddity Shop.
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Hi, welcome back to the OddityShop, the podcast where we tell
you creepy, odd words, strange,bizarre stories from around the
world.
I'm your curator, Zach, sittinghere with your curator Kara.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Wow, are you getting ready to be an auctioneer?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I've been practicing.
Honestly, I just wanted to seehow fast I could do it and if I
could do it without making amistake, and I think I did
halfway decently.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You slurred a lot though, like you weren't like
full words.
Oh OK, I don't know if thatmatters, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, in case it's somebody's first time here, I
don't want them to think we'recrazy.
We are welcome back to theoddity shop, you little oddballs
.
This is the podcast where wetell you creepy, odd, weird,
strange, bizarre stories fromaround the world.
I'm your curator zach, sittinghere with the ugly of the ugly
when I talk slow.
Other lovely curator, kara kara, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
hello, I am great I am so good, glad, oh my god so
we are recording, not late, butwe've had a eventful week both
of us, so we are making thislike a cocktail hour and we
haven't even started thecocktails and you can't even
(01:40):
speak and here's what you guysmight remember might not like
the first, maybe 50 episodes weusually had.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We had anxiety.
Okay, we had to have a drink,so we had some cocktails.
So, yeah, we're going backoutside.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's friday night which is weird for us, and I
don't work tomorrow, which isweird for me we've earned some
drinks this week, I think yeah,and if you want to have a drink
with us when you're listening,if you can I don't know If you
don't drink have a water.
I also have a water with liquidIV in it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And that's what being over 30 is.
Also, if you're driving andlistening, please don't join us
and drink.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, so that's that.
That's that.
What's new with you of our badweeks?
I really, really, really,really desperately need Mother
Nature to hear my cries, becauseI need to be able to put my
feet in the grass, like now,yesterday, five weeks ago.
I need to get my littlewitchiness.
I don't know what's going on.
(02:36):
I had a terrible day the otherday.
I just had a lot of stuff builtup and it was freezing out.
Okay, I'm talking freezing, butI walked my ass into the woods.
I ruined my converse, by theway, because it was so muddy it
was like the white part, thewhole shoe.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Oh, I was saying, mr Clean, magic erasers, make mine
look brand new.
You should try it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm sure I could take a hose to them, but I'm talking
that like it.
The mud went up to my ankles,okay, but I still didn't care.
I trucked through the woods foran hour and a half and I bawled
my eyes out the entire time onthe phone with my mother.
How healing there was deerseverywhere looking at me, though
.
But here's my problem.
I hate the cold, so it was verygreat.
I loved it because I justneeded to be outside, but I need
(03:18):
mother nature to give me somesunshine.
I need to lay in the grassthat's fair.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I just need, just need it.
Where'd you go in the woods?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Um, so you know that trail that I I told you about
but I've never taken you.
It's across the street fromthat cemetery.
It's like behind that creepyhouse.
I just went back there Causethat's like just the closest I
could just walk from my house.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And I figured if I just went into, not middle of
the night it was like eighto'clock.
But in the winter people wouldbe like what the fuck's wrong
with the girl?
I mean, people probably thinkthat about you quite a bit they
do, but I I just wanted to bewhere no one could see me, so I
went in the woods, except forthe deers saw me.
They were there for support andthen this is completely random,
but it like was like holy shit.
So remember, it was probablyone of the first, my favorite
murder, like one of their firstepisodes, and they covered this
(04:02):
and I it stuck with me foreverand Morbid just did it on one of
their last, like latest,episodes and so I re-listened to
it and it just it's one ofthose things where it's like
holy crap, like if we could allbe as amazing as this person.
Do you remember the case ofAlison Both?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Not at all.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay, I think it's allison both.
I hope I'm right.
She is the incredible womanthat survived her attackers that
literally slit her throat likeoh yeah, okay, yep, yep, yep,
yep, yep, oh yes where herintestines okay we can, you guys
can look it up.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I this gives me the absolute most heebie-jeebies of
all time.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It really does.
It's so awful.
Morbid did a very, very goodjob of it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, they did.
I've listened to that one ForMorbid, or did it just come out?
Who else?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
did it then my Favorite Murder.
That was when I first heard it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Somebody else did it because I remember them talking
about my Favorite Murdercovering it oh, I don't, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I only listened to that, but the morbid one is
recent.
It's really good.
I mean they're all whatever,but on it I'm just gonna say
this it it sounds so awful, butif you, I'm not gonna give you
all the details because it's sogruesome I will pass out this
woman survived.
So much stuff we can survivethe week that is true.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
If you're ever wild struggles, if you're ever having
a struggle getting throughthings, look up her story.
If she can do it, yeah, kara'sright, you can.
It is horrifying.
Nobody should have survivedwhat she did, and to become an
advocate after that, andeverything that she's done is
incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, and actually she had another really horrible
medical scare like a couplemonths ago, and they did have a
GoFundMe for her and it's inAfrica.
So it's not GoFundMe, it's likesome buddy system, but it ended
before I could donate.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, that's kind of a good thing.
If it ended, they probably hittheir goals.
Then I think they did that'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
All right.
Well, that was my week.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What about yours?
Well, technically, like in reallife time, well, not our real
life time, but time this comesout, I will be just getting back
from my European cruise, so I'mhoping that went well, back
from my european cruise, so I'mhoping that went well, it went.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, that's about it .
Oh, I got that new home gymthis week you did, or exactly a
week ago and you were a littleuh, facebook marketplace.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Okay, listen, if you will, you, I have been going
back and forth on whether to buyit at retail price and the
retail price is very expensive,but you finance it over 12
months and I've been going backand forth and right before I was
like about to do it, I hadtried a few of the workouts.
It's the tempo system.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep, and shout out to lauren haunts, because she gave
you a code and she gave me afree month.
You needed it.
Well, she didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
She really didn't push it, but she she gave me the
free month, um.
So I went on marketplace andthere was one for like a third
of the retail price and I endedup getting it, for.
I talked her down, we worked onit, I got it for less than 20
full retail and it worksbeautifully.
It's like brand new.
I'm sore as shit, but I love it.
That's awesome.
(06:59):
That's so good.
Yay, yeah, so there's good newsto offset your dark news.
I think that's it, though.
Do we have anything before weget the shop open?
No, all right, you better havea question to open the shop up
for me, or?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
else I'm going to be pissed.
You know what's really fuckingbad.
I do not have one.
I just realized I do not haveone.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm leaving, All right guys.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
This was a great episode.
I guess.
Go ahead, just start, okay.
Anyway, I'm sorry, I don't havequestions, so what can I think
of?
Uh, what's okay?
So what is like your vice,would you say?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
oh I don't know what mine is nicotine for sure yeah I
at least got off cigarettes,but my e-cig and me are.
It's so bad it needs to go away, but I feel like it's of all
the bad vices I've had, I'vekicked all the rest of them, so
okay that has nothing to do withwhat we're talking about, but
it's a question.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh, you were just calling me out.
Okay, what's yours?
I don't know, probably alcohol,right, I don't know what's my
vice sniffling okay, I don'tknow if I have advice.
Let me look up the definitionof advice.
I'll get back to you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
All right, I think by now that we all know that I
love me.
A vampire and a werewolf, yes,yes, we all know this.
I love a tragic story ofchanging into something
supernatural and powerful, goodevil, wondering if this newfound
(08:29):
ability can collide with themundane existence you were once
content with.
So I admittedly love thethought of having a fight like
to fight an evil inside of you.
That's like life altering tosomebody else.
So say what you want about me.
That's why we're here.
Okay, this all to say thatthere are other creature spirit
(08:51):
things that fascinate me just asmuch as they terrify me more
than like anything that we talkabout on here.
So, like the vampire and thewerewolf, they're like very
different like things, but Ifeel like the two things that
we're going to talk about today,I feel like often get confused
for one another.
So I figured why not talk abouttwo incredibly terrifying
(09:16):
entities?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Are you really doing these both in one?
Oh baby, You've been teasing mewith this episode for two and a
half years.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, this has nothing to do with vampires and
werewolves, but these twocreature things fascinate me so
much, just like those two.
But I am afraid to like delveinto them because, like a
vampire and werewolf, I'm justlike.
They're really cool, I want tobe them.
I don't know about these.
Alright, I just want you to beinformed.
This is your warning.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I knew it was coming.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So talking about this type of subject matter can be
like summoning them.
Some would say and I will nottake offense if you just plop
right on off right now.
I will not be mad if you dropoff.
Okay, bye, Zachary, you have tostay.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Also.
It's really hard, but I amgoing to try to not say their
names as much as I possibly, orI'm only going to say as much as
I possibly can, but it's kindof really hard not to you know
what I mean.
Like, when you're talking aboutit, it's hard for it to just
not come out.
So I'm going to try to do ourbest, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's okay, you just do a pre-sage and a post-sage
and do a little magic.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, I'm going to give some code names that we can
use, but I might forget to usethem, so I'm just giving you
guys that warning as well.
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
God fucking no.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, Well, today, tonight, whenever your ear holes
listen to this.
We are talking about thedifference between a Ear holes.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
listen to this.
We are talking about thedifference between a Skinwalker
and a Wendigo.
Oh gosh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So code names are Windy Boy and you can thank two
girls, one ghost, because I'mpretty sure they came up with
that, and I actually think theycame up with the Flesh
Pedestrian, which is what we'regoing to call a Skinwalker.
Okay so thank you, girls.
Either way, here you go, and weare going to start with the
Wendigo, or our little windy boy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
All right.
So now, depending on who youtalk to, it can be pronounced
Wendigo, Wendigo, Wendigo.
It's kind of like one of thosethings.
It's just like almost reallyinterchangeable depending on
where you are.
So you pick.
Whatever you decide.
That's what you can think of inyour head.
Don't say it out loud, Allright.
So the Windy Boy originatesfrom Algonquin, speaking
(11:33):
folklore.
So these include the Ojabwe,the Solta, the Cree, the Naskapi
Naskapi, sorry and the Innu.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I tried my best, I wrote out my abbreviations and I
practiced because I don't wantto upset anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think you did pretty darn good.
I'm actually proud of you fornot even stumbling.
Thank you, I did a little.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Okay.
So the word though, wendigo,has many different translations
within Native American languages.
So the English word is actuallythe source of the Ojabwe, but
the Cree actually have it.
They call it a Wetiko.
So again, there's just, likeall, different like ways and
obviously translation changesbetween different languages.
(12:18):
So it makes sense.
Some interpretations mean owl,which you're like okay, cool,
not bad.
Some mean a winter cannibalmonster and others mean the evil
spirit that devours mankind.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I've definitely heard the second too, although
there's some creepy owl lore outthere too.
Well, there is, they're all alittle terrifying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
So the Windy Boy is often described having humanoid
characteristics, but also likenot because they have a skull
head with a long stout.
So like picture a goat skull.
And then it also has antlers tomatch the unsettling lack of
facial facial features I'vealways thought it looked kind of
like a deer skull right a deeror like a goat to me like
(13:03):
something like that I guess itdepends on the depiction too
yeah, and then it has antlers.
Uh, fangs protrude the empty eyeholes for eyes glow.
Oh, it's just like creepycomparing to what I don't know,
but it stands 15 feet tall, iswhat people say now do you take
the 15 feet tall?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
are you you mad about their height description?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, that's what I said, Comparing to what I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Okay, let's say usually there's a whole common I
know.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's why I put it in there, because I'm not even
getting into it.
Fierce eyesight, shockinghearing, impeccable sense of
smell, speed and strength tomatch its predatorial creation
frightening.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
That's impressive for not having the organs to hear
or see or smell.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, I think it has organs, I just don't think it
has a head, flesh head.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, but if it has empty eye holes.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, I think it has all the other organs.
Okay, body.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I was talking about its sensory organs, yeah, but
what is it?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So, depending on what adaptation you go with, it's
either a malevolent spirit or acreature.
That's a cannibalistic monsterOkay.
So it just depends on where youget your info from.
It's either like a spiritmonster Okay, how does one
become a Windy Boy?
Or how are they brought forward, you might ask.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
How are they brought forward?
Kara?
Curator Kara.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay.
So in Countless Dark Tales, theWindy Boy begins as a human
driven by unbearable hunger ordepression, who succumbs to the
unspeakable act of cannibalismand is forever transformed.
So, according to some legends,a malevolent spirit can possess
a human, twisting their soul anddriving them to cannibalism,
(14:54):
thus birthing the Wendigo withinOld tales whisper of sorcerers
who, through a dark curse, couldturn a person into a windy boy
or a creature of hunger andshadow, doomed to wander the
wilderness forever.
So cliff notes version versioncannibalism.
(15:14):
Like you, something happenslike a tragic event.
You resort to cannibalism, youturn or possession.
You were possessed by one to beone, or a sorcerer cursed you.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I love that your footnotes were just as long as
the original description, but itseemed at least two out of the
three.
It seems like something elseturned to you which takes a
little bit of the responsibilityoff.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I don't.
I don't know what would be yourfavor, which one?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, I'm not going to just turn into a cannibal.
So I feel like I'd have to beturned.
But if I had to choose, I wouldjust choose to not become one.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Right, all right.
So the Wendy boy is often viewsviewed as a haunting symbol of
deep trauma, loss and the direconsequences of desperation.
It's legend sometimesintertwined with the brutal
legacy of settler violenceagainst indigenous people.
Right so, like a lot offolklore, there's a deeper
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meaning within the legend.
Real life problems are likeinsatiable greed.
Selfishness, gluttony andviolence are what the Wendigo
represents.
So for our little Wendy boy,most sightings are noted between
the 1800s and the 1920s okay asthe legend spread, so did blame
(16:33):
for a lot of the murder and thedisappearances and tribes which
we get that, we get that withlike witch trials and things
like that you know it's kind ofremind me and I'm so this will
be a super quick side note.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
No, you're good, like the way they come about and how
it's in the lore and stuff.
I wonder if, because you knowwe've pretty much debunked the
Dybbuk box, if the Dybbuk boxtakes from this lore of the
Dybbuk is a demon that you knowcame from somebody who is
terrible in real life.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, what I will say and actually this is a really
good place for me to just putthis because I didn't actually
write it in Native Americanculture, beliefs, folklore, all
this is so very serious to them.
So a lot of people actuallyfrown upon people that are not
part of that culture to actuallytalk about this type of stuff.
(17:20):
So I don't want to offendanybody, I don't want to upset
anybody, like, that's not whatwe're trying to do.
We're just trying to spread theknowledge between the
difference of these two things,because they are very different.
So I don't, I just want to putthat out there.
There was disclaimers on mostof my research.
All right, well.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I we appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, during the harsh winter of 1878 and 79, a
season marked by starvation andsuffering along the cree swift
runner uh fell under the grip ofwhat came to be known as
wendigo psychosis.
Oh, that.
That was like a real diagnosisyeah, and actually I think it's
(18:00):
still used in certain likethings, because it's basically a
condition described byanthropologists as involving
delusions and an uncontrollableurge toward cannibalism.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Could you imagine just an uncontrollable urge for
cannibalism?
I couldn't.
Cannibalism is so fascinatingto me.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We talked about this in one of our, in our cannibal
episode.
I just yeah, yeah, it's sofascinating to me because I just
don't have an urge to eat ahuman, but then it's very
freaking weird that we haveurges to eat like a cow.
That is true, yeah, I think me,you and lauren talked about
this and oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,we did shout out lauren, all
right.
So in its thrall he murderedhis wife and children, consuming
(18:42):
their flesh.
He was eventually captured, putin jail and, in december of
1879, hanged.
I mean, I guess good probablyfor the best so this is just one
example of somebody claiming tobe overtaken by a wenzel and
then it being like the diagnosisagain.
I am not saying that they'renot real because I 100 believe
(19:05):
in them.
It's just that things like thisspread again like the witch
trials.
I believe in witches, I believein magic.
Did I think that everybody wasa witch and they deserve to die?
Fuck no, but you know thingsthat don't go their way.
They accuse people of all kindsof things, or if you did
something horrific, you mightblame it on something else right
, right, absolutely the fall guy.
(19:26):
Yeah, so the one day boy'shunger never ends.
No matter how much it eats,it's always starving, and that's
why it looks so thin and weary.
So it just it's never satiated.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That also sounds terrible, not only having a
taste for human flesh, which hasalways been hungry.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I would take wanting to eat humans over never feeling
full.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Absolutely 100% hands down.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, we're fucking crazy.
Stories say it has itsfavorites the soft fat of
children, the smooth skin ofwomen, the tough muscle of men,
especially hunters and warriors,and even the brittle bones of
elderly.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
So basically it doesn't have favorites, how does
it have favorites?
Just what am I in the mood fortoday?
Oh, I'm like a baby with a sideof elderly.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right, elderly bones.
It just craves it all.
It craves it all and once itcatches your scent, it won't
stop until it feeds.
Basically, it's like it's notlike you can escape the grasp of
it.
You can try, but I don't knowif you're going to win.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So basically, if you put me within the scent area of
bacon, yeah, I will not stopuntil I feed Same.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Or me and you at holidays when we eat the little
weenies oh, pigs in a blanketthank you, the pigs in the
blanket there's like yeah, we'lljust be.
Oh, my god, um, okay.
So they are known to mimicloved ones and lure you to
secluded areas like the woodsokay all right, so now.
How are you feeling, though,after all of this?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I've always heard the last one being attributed to
the other thing we're talking to, but I think I'm thinking ahead
on that, so I'm going to savesome comments.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
No, this is your.
I gave you a splot, A splot.
I gave you a slot so far.
What are your feelings aboutthis?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I just so far right, like the mimicking other voices
and stuff it.
It reminds me of the storiesI've heard of the flesh
pedestrians and I I think theyand I I assume this is where
you're going that they're alittle bit more intertwined than
we thought.
The other thing that I alwaysthink about with these right is
there's so many differentphysical descriptions like I
think the most common is theantler and the skull and that
(21:36):
but sometimes, like they justlook like human.
I think it's one of thosethings that, like different
cultures are seeing it throughtheir perspective and give
different well, that's why it'slike different.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, it's like different tribes have their own
um.
I can't think of the worddescriptions yeah, but like um,
whatever, it doesn't matter, buteach tribe kind of has their
own like version, if you willyeah they all kind of are like
aligned, but they are different.
That's why some translate todifferent meanings and they look
a little bit different and likethe stories are a little bit
(22:07):
different, but it all basicallyis the main thing is the same,
or like how you become, one isdifferent in different legends
or whatever.
Right, let me tell you thatwith the help of my enemy chat,
gpt I created a how to survive awendigo encounter.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh, a practical and slightly terrifying wait can you
survive if they catch yourscent?
Because if they don't stop todo that, okay, wait, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna take notes all right,number one, oh, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Um, I also had it configure it into a principal
like oh, perfect, and I figuredit'd be fun if I like put it in
patreon or like mailed it to ourlittle patreons there you go,
so fun like here.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If you want to survive a wendy boy attack, you
gotta subscribe.
Oh god, that's the worstSubscribe or die.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Number one know the signs.
Wendy boys don't just strollinto town.
They creep, lurk and hauntplaces heavy with sorrow, hunger
and isolation.
Keep an eye and ear out forunnatural howling in the dead of
night, sudden bone chilling,cold even in summer, vanishing
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people or animals, treesstripped bare in one eerie path,
a lean, gaunt figure withglowing eyes, always watching
from just beyond the firelight,always watching Mr Wazowski.
Number two avoid the triggers.
Wendy boys are born fromdesperation and taboo,
(23:46):
especially cannibalism.
So if you're lost in the woodswith a group, don't split up,
don't resort to violence orbetrayal and definitely don't
cover yourself in seasonings.
Eat anyone, and definitely don'teat anyone, no matter how
desperate things get.
Okay, Seriously, just don't.
(24:07):
It reminds me of um.
What's the movie?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Can you give me one more detail?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Uh.
Blair Witch Project the.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Shaky One, there we go.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
They should have been to all turned in one, because
they all turned on each other.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You guys don't play like charades or Pictionary with
Kara.
It's that movie, the one thatshakes.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Here's the problem I only do that with like you, or
like Aaron, because you know meso well that most of the time
you know exactly what I'mtalking about.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I am.
I've learned how to speak, kara, over the years.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, number three, arm yourself if you must.
Okay, number three, armyourself if you must.
If it's already too late andyou're being stalked, legend
offers a few tools that mighthelp you Fire their icy hearts.
Despise flame Torches,campfires or flamethrowers if
you're wild like that.
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Silver weapons Not alwaysreliable, but some tales say
silver can harm or kill a wendyboy, sort of like the werewolf.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Hey, going back to, would a lighter be enough?
No, oh, shoot, it might like.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Because that would just be a really easy way to say
like save yourself 99 cent,bank it might maybe make them
like weary of you, and then youcan get a head start and run,
but they'll just catch you.
So, okay, okay, target theheart, supposedly made of ice.
You'll need to pierce it andthen burn it to ashes.
No mercy.
Dismemberment, dismemberment,is that how you say it?
(25:35):
Dismemberment.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
There you go.
I knew you'd get there.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Plus fire dismemberment.
There you go.
I knew you'd get there plusfire.
So your safest bet is creepy,but, yes, effective, hopefully.
So you're gonna dismember thebody and then set it all ablaze.
Okay, number four what did youhave a question?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
no statement.
The?
Um, you're not gonna get this,but the?
Um ice king from lord of the ornot lord of the rings.
Game of of Thrones is very muchlike this.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Oh, okay, I'm sure they took.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You know all that like legend and If you've
watched Game of Thrones, you nowknow how to save yourself from
a Wendy boy.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Okay, Okay, number four trust the elders and the
stories.
Traditional knowledge is yourbest defense.
Indigenous legends often speakof ceremony, spiritual guidance
and respect for nature as waysto keep the Wendy boy away in
the first place.
Seek wisdom before you seekweapons.
I like that.
Knowledge is power.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think seek wisdom before you seek weapons is a
great phrase.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
For our entire world right now.
Mm-hmm, number five If you seeone, run.
No, really, just run.
They're fast, they know thewoods better than you, but you
might get lucky if you crossrunning water.
Some legends say that theycan't Hide near strong fire or
iron, kind of like we talkedabout before.
(26:55):
Keep your back to somethingsolid.
Never let it circle you Allright.
Zach's just falling asleep overhere.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
He's not paying attention to the rules and
something's going to happen andhe's not going to know what to
do.
Listen, if one of the rules isrun, I'm already counting myself
out.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Listen, I'll print it small and you can keep it in
your wallet.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Perfect, okay, keep it right next to my Miranda
right.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, number six, final warning the Wendy boy
isn't always just a beast in thewoods.
It's a hunger that creeps intoyour heart.
Greed, betrayal, desperationthat's how it starts.
So remember, stay warm, staytogether and never forget who
you are.
So I can't go camping aloneanymore.
(27:37):
No, the whole time I had theserules I was like Zach no, no, no
, no.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's okay, I never crave human flesh.
I'm good Well until you do.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
How do you feel now about the little wind boy?
Any difference, same About thesame, about the same.
All right, I'm just, you know,got to do it gotta, I still
don't want to cross one allright, I have an encounter I, I
know you do.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know who you should have asked.
Actually, you know who had acrazy encounter.
It is um one of our recentguests, xy she's got, and if you
guys haven't picked up herbooks yet, she has a crazy story
in there.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
But so I thought of I actually did think about
emailing her and asking her, butshe's still gallivanting the
states with her husband and I'mlike I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
She's living her Florida life.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
No, now she's in.
I think she jumped somewhereelse.
Oh good for her Before comingback home.
I don't know, she's a wildlittle lady.
So this is from my favoriteReddit.
The username is hails1721.
I've posted this in the Wendigocommunity.
I'm in, but I also wanted toshare this here to see if anyone
(28:50):
else has any intel that canhelp me, since the other
community seems to be prettyquiet.
I realize how unbelievable thisstory might be, but I assure
you it's entirely true.
I've had countless experienceswith the supernatural since I
was four.
I'm 33 now, but this is one ofthe most terrifying ones I've
had.
I've looked at some of thestories in this community to see
(29:12):
if there's anything I haven'tdiscovered yet.
I thought that if I share myencounter here, there might be
someone who has some informationthat could help.
Please don't comment if youdon't believe in the
supernatural.
I've seen the skepticsplastering their two cents on
some of these posts.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh, that poor girl is asking for trolls right there,
I know, or boy.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
Looking for legitimateinformation.
My questions are at the end ofthis.
Thanks in advance.
I had an experience with a Wendyboy this fall in early October
in northern Minnesota in a stateforest very close to it, if not
on a reservation.
I've always heard that speakingof them can draw them to you,
but I hadn't thought or listenedto any Wendy stories Wendy
(29:54):
stories, I don't know why thatgot me anytime close to my
encounter.
I was staying with some verydear friends I'll call them M
and C, and they have a camper intheir yard by the lake for
guests to sleep in.
I had walked down to the camperfrom the house with my
miniature dash hound, ebony.
You know this is also why Ipicked it yeah Around midnight
(30:14):
and found that I need to setsome things up, primarily the
heater.
By the time I was done gettingeverything in order, it was
approximately 1.30.
I never thought to lock thedoor because really I figured
it's in the middle of the woodsso there was nothing to worry
about.
I was wrong.
I had closed the curtains,thank God, and I was having
trouble falling asleep becausemy anxiety was going mad.
(30:36):
M and C's dogs were barkingoutside and their geese wouldn't
stop honking.
Ebony, who usually sleeps underthe covers, was sitting on my
hip while I laid on my side, andI could feel her turning her
head back and forth like she wastrying to track something
outside.
I tried tucking her under theblankets to calm her down, but
(30:57):
she kept returning to her perchon my hip.
I have no idea how long I laidthere, I would say, at least 40
minutes when all of a sudden Iheard m's voice outside the
camper.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
No, anybody in there?
Hmm, this shouldn't behappening in the midwest.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
This is appalachia level shit no, it's not, I don't
like.
Can you imagine, though, that,like at this point, it's like
two something in the morning andyou just hear anybody In there,
hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
In your friend's voice.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm ignoring it.
I'm pretending to be asleep.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Duh, you know I'm in here.
It's your camper, right, okay?
And then it sounded like Clawsdragged down the side Of the
camper.
I almost called back to herwhen I realized number one, she
and C were both fast asleep bynow.
Number two M knew I was inthere.
She wouldn't ask if anybody was.
Suddenly I noticed everythinghad gone absolutely silent
(31:52):
outside.
The dogs and the birds hadstopped crying on, the gusts of
wind had even stopped.
It was the kind of silence youhear about in horror stories,
how the woods go mute whensomething evil is in the area.
Then another thought hit me.
Ebony would be losing her shitand barking at the door if it
(32:13):
had been anything human.
She was frozen by my hip, dead,quiet, shaking.
I didn't dare to move, but Iwas also starting to have to pee
, I was just going to say thissounds like you.
Yeah, and I remembered that Ihadn't locked the door.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And like when you have to choose between peeing or
death, or like not peeing ordeath is the better way to say
that.
I know you're going to pickpeeing.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, I have no idea how long I laid there debating
whether I should get up and usethe bathroom and lock the door,
but it felt like an eternity Inreality.
I guessed it may be 10-15minutes.
I thought it may have been aflesh pedestrian at first, but I
remembered that they don'ttypically mimic the voices of
your loved ones to lure you intothe woods.
Wendy boys do See, I've heardthat about both.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Actually the other one more.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
See, no, I haven't.
But I did read some stuff aboutthe flesh pedestrians doing
that, but it is not asdocumented.
Okay, from what I found, I knewthese creatures demons,
whatever they are can lurehumans out of their abodes if
they make eye contact with you,and everything in me was
(33:24):
screaming to make sure I didn'tlook outside.
I made double sure I didn'tlook through the cracks in the
curtains as I walked softly tothe front of the camper and very
slowly turned the lock.
Praying and holding my breath,I made sure to keep my eyes away
from the windows as I crawledback in bed and pulled Ebony
close and she finally stayedunder the blankets.
(33:46):
I snuck a peek at my phone forthe time before I laid down,
figuring it had to be 3 am, thewitching hour.
It was about 2.30.
As soon as I laid down, thewind kicked back up and MNC's
basset hounds erupted into howlsas they came running down to
the camper.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Bring these dogs inside they're not her dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Save them.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I don't care, yeah, but they were at the house.
She's far away from the house.
What does she get Then?
She would have had to leave thecamper.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Do it for the dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Bro, you're crazy.
I mean I get it, but you would.
Then you'd have to literallyleave the camper.
She was in the middle of thewoods off the property of her
friend's house.
The dogs were safer than shewas, doesn't sound?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
like it.
They were at the house.
This thing could go for them,although it likes humans, so oh
my God.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I heard the Bassetts came back to the camper barking
a few more times before theylaid down outside the door to
protect me.
Now, can she save them?
No, I didn't get out of bedagain that night.
I told MNC what happened thenext morning.
I think I was hoping M wouldsay that he maybe did come down
to check on me and Ebony, butshe or that she would.
(34:55):
Oh my God, fuck it.
You get it.
But she confirmed what Ialready knew.
They had gone to bed as soon asI left the house.
I said a prayer over theirhouse and the camper and all of
us the following night and hadan uneventful night, thank God.
I also spoke with another guywho's familiar with the
supernatural to see if he knewany more about the Wendigo.
I'm not sure how accurate theinformation he gave me was, or
(35:17):
if it's reliable at all.
Accurate the information hegave me was, or if it's reliable
at all.
But when I asked him why Ebonyhadn't made a peep, I had
assumed it was because she wasabsolutely petrified.
He said the Wendy boy cancontrol animals to keep them
from alerting their owners aboutits presence.
He also told me one they can'tenter houses that aren't made of
wood directly from the forest.
They're hunting in tents andcampers included, because they
(35:39):
consist of man-made materials.
Two, a lock is useless.
They can unlock a door so theycan try to lure you outside.
And three, they typically stayin the woods but they will come
into a smaller town and neverinto a city.
I had never heard of any of whathe told me before, so again, I
can't speak for accuracy, but Ialso hadn't researched the
(36:01):
claims either.
He also advised me to never gooutside to pee at night if I
ever go camping, and to bring abucket or something to use and
to make sure that I always closetent flaps and curtains before
falling asleep.
He said if the flaps are open soyou can see outside, the Wendy
boy can make eye contact withyou and draw you out.
(36:22):
After leaving MNCs to go to myfather's house for a few days, I
had the distinct feeling ofbeing watched when I took Ebony
outside after dark.
My father lives three hoursaway from MNC but his house is
in the country.
I told myself it was only thefear of the experience and what
I know about the Wendy boytriggering an overreaction
(36:42):
imagination.
I never heard anything and Iwatched Ebony's behavior very
closely and she didn't act likeshe had in the camper.
I'm moving back to that areafrom Canada and this experience
has been weighing heavily on mymind.
I've been trying to find anyinformation about warding them
off, or if they have a homehunting range, like cougars do,
(37:06):
or if they move from one regionto another.
My prayers did work the secondnight, so I figured I can pray
over the property.
I also have holy water that Ican use, since the Wendy boy is
an evil spirit that possessespeople or physically manifests
(37:27):
Frustratingly.
A majority of what comes up insearches is utter garbage.
Does anyone know if a Wendy boystays in one area?
Are my concerns about it comingback when I get moved into my
cabin warranted, or am Iworrying excessively?
Do you have any tips of wardingthem off?
Thanks again for anyinformation you can offer.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Here's one of the things and I'm glad she she kind
of struck on it at the end, butthis is one of the things
that's always confused me aboutboth of the the creatures you
want to talk about, is they areboth at the same time corporeal
and incorporeal, like they'remade out of man-made parts, but
they're also a spirit well, itdepends on where you go, because
that's what I was saying at thebeginning.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Some people think that they're a malevolent spirit
speaking for the wendigo, andsome people actually think
they're a creature right, but Imean the in the story you just
read.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
She said oh, she called it a spirit at the end,
but also said it was made ofman-made parts and like.
I think this is why it's so shesaid it can't enter man-made
parts oh, because you said itwhen you said it's made of
man-made parts you're talkingabout because it can't enter in
um that's how you're talkingabout the creature, not the no
no, no so it can't some legendssay that it can't enter in if
(38:40):
it's not made of wood.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Like it's man-made.
It's made of man-made parts.
Yeah, no, I got you now.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But to me I've still heard it both ways Like it has a
skull and antlers, but it'salso spirit, because it's very
much in like Axia's a spectrallevel.
So it's the whole thing of themis so confusing.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I think to me supernatural anything is never
defined in one way.
I think we kind of know that,but to me I do think it's more
of a spiritual thing that canpresent as like a physical
creature is what makes sense inmy head, I guess, because Too.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
we're putting a very human view on it.
You're right, by the way yousaid, that is who say it's
neither of those things, andwe're just trying to explain it
yeah, right.
Okay, fair Enough.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Basically that is our Wendy boy, so it is developed
from mostly cannibalism of aloved one, something like that.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
But some sources say it can be casted on you, cursed
on you, possessed by one and youbecome one, but it is basically
a cannibalistic entity.
However you want to view it,that is what that is and I.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I think those are the only two things.
Yeah, you can claim 100 aboutthese, because and everything
else is a lot of conjecture.
But yeah, it does seem for theclassification of the wendy boy
that it started human and thenyeah, comes whatever, yeah, no,
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
You know, and it's like like we talked about, it's
like it can be a tale of um,like warning, you know, like
younger generations um, but tonative americans, you know that
their spirit, spirit,spirituality, spirituality thank
you is very, very important tothem and their culture, and so I
(40:35):
never want want to make lightof that, because I fully believe
it.
But some people are just like,no, it's a tale.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, it's a tale, but I think that these are one
of those things that have hadenough evidence.
While I don't think that thosewho experience it know 100% what
they're dealing with, I thinkthere's enough evidence to say
that we're dealing withsomething and the
classifications we put on itmakes sense enough that we can
at least understand thephenomenon.
(41:01):
Did you come across anything inyour research on this?
One of it draining the lifeforce?
Because that's that's somethingthat I've heard from a couple
different people.
I know like xe was one, andthere's a few others where it
can almost like take residencein your not in always in your
house, but in your area, and itsort of like pulls off of the
(41:22):
energy of the living.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, I think, because it is a predator, that's
kind of like the vibe of it.
It lurks and it like preys onyou.
So I do think that, without meof like actually reading that, I
think that is kind of what it'sdoing.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
It is like preying on you, it's like and I guess if
it has the energy, like if youmake the eye contact it'll kind
of pull it's manipulating you tolike pull you, and then it's
like going to.
So it is a point like almostlike a keep on and say like a
psychological attack.
But that's not a psychic, apsychic attack.
(42:00):
God, yeah, like I, psychologicalattack, but that's not a um, a
psychic, a psychic attack.
God, yeah, yeah, like I knowit's right there.
This is why we don't typicallyrecord fridays, because we're
brained out at the end of theweek.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh yeah, sure, we sure are all right.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
So so, with it being, though, like a psychic attack
or not.
Okay, I'm interested and I havea feeling with the so that you
just said, and where we're at intime you're going to break this
up into.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I guess what you guys .
I'm so sorry, my littleoddballs.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
We knew this was going to happen.
These are two big ones.
We got to do it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I had to do it in one episode because I really think
that the importance of thedifferences need to be more
talked about, because I don'tthink people understand.
But it is a heavy episode, asin we all need to go cleanse
ourselves, take a shower, drinksome water.
Sage, don't go outside for aminute, don't go in the woods.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Can I ask you permission on behalf of myself
and the listeners.
Okay, I would like to make thisa little bit more engaging.
Oh, no, so we have a weekbetween now and the next one.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh Lord.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I will, either yes or no, do it.
You tell me, and I think ourlisteners could do it too.
Would you be opposed to medoing some research on the other
one, because I think you and Ihave different theories on how
these do and we'll have like areally good discussion at the
end on similarities anddifferences.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So you're going to talk about the flesh pedestrian
next week?
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Okay.
So do you want me to stay blindand not do any research, or can
I and our listeners educateourselves on the similarities?
And differences so that wecould have more of a debate at
the end.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I'm going to leave that up to you guys.
Okay, yeah, I'm going to leavethat up to you guys.
If I were you, I would justwant to listen, and I don't want
to fucking do research if Idon't have to.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
But if you want to, I'll tell you this.
I am the only thing I'm goingto look up, because I have a
working theory in my head.
I want to look up at least acouple sources that fight my
confirmation bias so that we canhave a spirited discussion
about it next week.
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Is this where we leave theWendy's and the Fleshy's from?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I mean, we are, I will.
I really don't want to offendanybody because every article I
was reading they were likepeople that don't have any right
to know about these shouldn'ttalk about them.
So I'm trying so hard not tooffend people.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I think you are totally fine.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Okay.
So yes, you guys do what youwant.
Zach's going to do his ownresearch because he has theories
, because he can't not havetheories, because his brain
never stops working.
It's not a bad thing I can'tturn it off.
I can't turn it off so I thinkmost of you are going to go in
blind or with the uh thoughts,uh, that you already have.
(44:49):
But if you do have someresearch or you have some
thoughts, at least on the wendyboys, I would love to have you
guys start talking to us aboutthem now though, like when you
listen to this, because that way, a whole week maybe, we can
read some of your stories aboutthe Wendy boys on the flesh
pedestrian or play yourvoicemails or play your
voicemails.
So if you have any insight onthis, if this is part of your
(45:12):
culture and things like that, Iwould love you to love, for you
to give me any more insight.
Critique, that'd be nice.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I'm doing my best.
We have feelings.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
So everybody go sage.
Hopefully I didn't say the wordtoo much.
I tried hard not to.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I think you only did once or twice.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Actually, you did pretty darn good, I think I said
it more than I should have, butit's okay, we don't allow that
energy around us.
Okay, okay, we don't allow it.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
So with that, is it time to close the shop.
It is time to close the shop.
So all I have to say is thisthen okay, you don't have to
when to go home, but you can'tstay here oh, thank you, I'll be
here all week.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Let's leave the ice cube emoji and a heart, because
they have like ice for hearts.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Oh, just like you, perfect.
I love those emojis.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
All right, we're going to wrap it up.
We love you, we appreciate youand we will see you next week
for part two.
Part two, part two but yeah, doall the things that we just
asked and, uh, the mostimportant thing you can do for
us is to be safe from wendy boysand creep a real you little
eyeballs goodbye.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Thank you, I'm at the IRE shop.
(46:52):
The door's always open.
I'm at the IRE shop.
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