May 29, 2025 • 57 mins
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Kara is talking all things Skinwalkers, Listen at your own Risk!
The shadows between what we know and what we fear are often populated by entities that defy explanation. This week, we venture into territory that makes even the most seasoned paranormal enthusiasts uncomfortable – the realm of the skinwalker.
Following our previous exploration of wendigos, we now turn to these shapeshifting entities from Navajo tradition, respectfully referring to them as "flesh pedestrians" throughout our discussion. We trace their origins as medicine men who chose a dark path, performing forbidden rituals including the ultimate betrayal – the killing of a close blood relative.
What makes these entities particularly terrifying is their ability to blend seamlessly with normal wildlife. Unlike the distinctly monstrous wendigo, skinwalkers appear as ordinary animals with subtle "wrong" qualities that might be difficult to detect until it's too late. They select their forms strategically, choosing for speed, stealth, strength, or deadly capabilities, and can shift between shapes if pursued.
Would you recognize a skinwalker if you encountered one? More importantly, would you know how to protect yourself?
References:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo
- https://www.britannica.com/topic/wendigo
- https://allthatsinteresting.com/wendigo
- https://www.facinghistory.org/ideas-week/more-monsters-deeper-significance-wendigo-stories#:~:text=In%20most%20traditions%2C%20the%20wendigo,from%20possession%20by%20a%20spirit.
- https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/strange-creatures/wendigoes3.htm
- https://real-supernatural-and-mythical-world.fandom.com/wiki/Wendigo#:~:text=The%20Wendigo%20craves%20human%20flesh,brittle%20bones%20of%20the%20elderly.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I want to dance with the mothman at the IA shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IAshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe IA shop.
The door's always open at theIA shop.
(00:37):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, our little oddballs.
This is the podcast where wetell you stories about the odd,
creepy, weird, bizarre and thosewho shall not be named.
Oh, apparently that's a new one.
I like it.
I'm your curator, zachary,sitting here with the other
(00:58):
halfway decent curator, kara,hello.
What's behind your world is ifanybody cares.
Ugh, okay, so uh, ash, hello,what's counting?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
your world is, if anybody cares, okay.
So, uh, ash from morbidrecommended a book and so I was
like, oh, okay, and it wascalled um, so thirsty, and it's
by rachel harrison and it's avan the pyre uh book, and so I
was like, oh cool, I'll read it,uh.
But you know, I don't reallyhave time to sit down and read.
So I listened to it.
(01:27):
So I don't think it counts asreading, but I listened to it
and it was really good.
So for those that like bookslike that, I am not a smut book
person.
It's just not my jam.
I don't need very smut, I don'tneed.
It's just that's not what I'minto.
So I was kind of hoping thatthis wasn't going to be like a
vampire smut, but it's not.
It was actually pretty good.
It was still a love story, butit was really cool.
It was about being turned intoa vampire and the crazy effects
(01:51):
of it, and I really thoroughlyenjoyed it.
So then, effects on the libido,the lust of blood and murder.
So I listened to that and Ireally liked it.
So I listened to that and Ireally liked it.
So then I bought another bookfrom her, called such sharp
teeth, because it's a werewolfbook.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
This is how you slowly get sucked.
If you start reading stephaniegoddamn meyer I don't think I
will, but maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Uh.
No, I really liked this rachelharrison.
She has a whole bunch of books,I think, ones on like a witch,
like stuff like that.
So I plan on like listening tothem all because they were just
good, they weren't long ones,they're nothing crazy, just like
zones you out into, you knowthis reminds me of a time I went
into a bookstore with Juliaamazing bookstore girl that I
once knew so it was.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's like one of those like the floor creaks
every step.
It's just oh yes, a labyrinth ofshelves, okay dusty.
So I was like hey, do you guyshave like a paranormal and
occult section?
Because, yeah, it's back inthat corner when so I walked
over there, uh about a year agoprobably, and I get back there
(02:59):
and I do find the paranormal andoccult.
Like when I say shelf, I'm noteven talking shelf top to bottom
, I mean like half of a shelf,but it was surrounded by three
full floor-to-ceiling shelves ofparanormal romance oh no, I
didn't realize there was such adraw.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, no, must I can't?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
that's not my thing okay, so while you're reading
your smut books, well, it seemslike.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It seems like a gateway to smut um I would
rather have a gateway drug intoreal hard drugs than read smut
books it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I've been thinking about plants.
So you know, we've been doingsome.
I've been doing someresearching of my bedroom and
some other things.
Wait, do you remember when?
Um chris jenner?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
was trying to spell like zhuzh of my bedroom and
some other things.
Wait, do you remember when umchris jenner was trying to spell
like zhuzh?
How do you spell zhuzh?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
oh, I actually don't know I, I actually almost said
that to somebody at work today.
Well, like I mean not, how doyou spell it?
I almost typed it to somebodyin slack.
How?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
do you spell?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
it, I think the closest I've seen is j-h-u-z,
but I don't know but anyways thezhuzhing has been happening and
now I have a couple empty.
So I'm not going to replace allthe plants that died.
This last year I've been goingcrazy.
I've had way too many plants.
It's been stressing me out soI'm downsized.
But now I have the perfectsetup and I know which exact
(04:19):
five plants I want.
Where did you put the plantsyou got rid of, or they just
died.
So I had quite a few that diedthis last year because last
summer I just didn't do my best.
Now the ones that I have placedare all doing really well,
because everything that I haveplaced is actually in a place
where that plant should be.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So when you say you downsized, you mean they died
yes.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But my orchids are now where they should be and
they re-bloom.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And like so.
But so now I know specificallywhat five plants I want, based
on the lighting, as I've learnednow.
So I'm not going to go back to40.
I'm going to keep it to like 25to 30.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I think I'll look 100 .
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But I know exactly, I know Well you.
Just your house has way morenatural light than mine, I
natural light than mine.
I do, I do.
It pisses me off, I'm sorry.
So what?
Five plants, zachary?
Um, I well, I realized I usedto have the most.
I used to have like four orfive spider plants and I don't
have any now.
So I'm I'm putting a spiderplant back in, okay, and I need
a couple like, um, philodendronstyle vines that are low light
(05:21):
vines, okay, and then I have aton of cuttings going, so you
can, okay, perfect I do stillwant, even though every time I
get one I don't know how to doit but a pilea.
What is that one?
Pilea, pilia, it's the um one.
It's like a stalk with a sauceron the end, like an out of the
water lily pad, but they have abunch of them.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh okay, chinese money plant is, oh I have a
couple of those, so those can behard I know well.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So I finally had a um god, I'm I'm blanking on the
scientific name of it now, andit's when you and I, the
alacasia, my alacasia, is doingfantastic the arrowhead oh god,
you know, I'm so bad with thenames of these plants.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I have have so many plants but I don't fucking know
the names.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That.
So I think I'm going to getsome more of those.
Okay, but the other thing isand I don't even know if I've
told you this I paid off my cartwo years early, and that's my
good thing.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You did not tell me this.
I paid off my car.
Oh my God, I'm so proud ofy'all.
I am lean free.
Oh God, I am lean clean.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Drive and machine.
There you go.
All right, those are myexciting things for you.
Wow, All right Well those weremore better than my books.
Do you know?
You know what?
I was going to tell a storyabout?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
something you and I did last night, but I'm gonna
hold on to this one, that's sofunny because I was just gonna
tell that story but then I waslike, maybe not, let's hold on
to it because I think we'regonna have an update for it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Y'all.
I'm trying to scheme my wayinto a house that I think is
haunted.
I have no idea, I just walkedby it the other day.
I'm gonna do, I'm gonna, I'mgonna really show my crazy and I
know it's just a route for methe most unhinged human.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Last night, when we were talking for like an hour
and a half, the most.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You just saw my real estate side and this is the the
level of no things I have accessto and creeping that we do.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It wasn't even just for that, though, just in
general you were very hingedlast night I've been on very
little sleep this week okaylet's open, do you have?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
no no, my question figure it out okay, did you sage
oh god, I know what we'retalking about this week too, and
I I would love to say yes okay,maybe everybody, if you have
some sage, be saging it up sagespray.
We need to like buy ourlisteners, at least the patreon.
Some sage spray for all thefreaking shit horrible energy we
(07:53):
bring into your house.
Yeah, okay, sorry about it.
That's our question.
Shop's open, let's go.
Sorry about it sorry about it,sorry yeah, because we're gonna
have to pretend to be Canadians.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Okay, we're now going to from last episode.
If you didn't listen to lastepisode, I guess you could
listen to this one first,because it's just a comparison.
But you probably should startat last episode, because we
talked about the Wendigo, theWindy Boy, and this episode.
We are now talking about thecommonly mistaken or confused
(08:27):
for or intertwined thought ofthe Skinwalker.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Bum, bum, bum.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
As a refresher, we are going to call them flesh
pedestrians.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And disclaimer nobody will be mad if you fall off
this episode, because talkingabout them can draw them.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yes, so if you leave, I'm good, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We'll miss you.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
See you next week.
Who knows, might be crazier nextweek.
Oh God, all right.
They say there's a name youshouldn't speak lightly Yee,
nald Loshi, the one who walks onall fours Ew, who walks on all
fours.
Among the Navajo, it marks abeing of dark power, feared not
(09:09):
for what it is but for what itused to be A skinwalker, once
human, now something else,something twisted by forbidden
rights, lurking in the form ofbeasts and shadows.
Flesh pedestrians can shape,shift themselves as different
(09:31):
animals, making them easilyundetectable, and I'm not sure
what's less terrifying, bothequally.
Is it more terrifying to see itor for it to be shapeshift into
an animal that you justnormally see?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Oh well, I would say like for the fact of being able
to ignore it.
So if you think about like, ifI didn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But OK, so let's get.
I'm going to backtrack a second.
So if you think about the WindyBoy, what that presents as OK,
that's very terrifying,terrifying.
Or an animal that you think isjust an innocently animal as a
flesh pedestrian, it's moreterrifying.
They're just, they're actuallyboth very terrifying.
It would be terrifying to see avisual of that crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh, I don't know it's I will say, though, like here's
the deal, at least with thewindy boy if you see it, you
know exactly what you're dealingwith where I've seen some you
think videos of yeah, like, andyou know most times the videos
on youtube and reddit and stuff,like I count them off, but I've
seen some videos of the fleshpedestrians where it's like it
(10:42):
presents something at first andthen just slightly alters or
changes, and that to me ishorrifying, because then you
don't trust anything.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it reminds me of the not dear yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, that's, I think , how we got on this originally.
I'm saying kind of.
Yeah, if it, if it slightlyshifted, I actually think to me
that's more terrifying to seethe fleshy than the Wendy.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I kind of agree , OK, but I think the fleshy
than the wendy.
Yeah, I kind of agree, um, okay, but I I think that we might be
able to all also picture theimage that is a lot of times
referenced, with a fleshpedestrian and it's a creature
that's on all fours but its bodyis like a u-shape.
And I think you know what I'mtalking about, zach.
It's very creepy, it's likefleshy, pinky tones, it's's like
(11:23):
all fours, its body is U-shapedbut its head is protruding out.
Is that a good description ofwhat I'm trying to?
Yeah, do you know what pictureI'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I know exactly the picture you're talking about.
It's like very back rooms.
Ask, I would say Google it.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well.
So I don't know if that's verylike a new age, like now
representation of it.
I would say, if you're goingmore with the Navajo, it's more
of just like presents itself asan animal.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay.
So the Navajo speaks of twopaths of a practitioner may walk
, One of healing and one of noharm.
Those who learn to usespiritual forces for the good of
others become medicine men,using their knowledge to heal,
protect and guide their people.
But there are others who turntoward darkness.
(12:12):
These are witches, followers ofthe witchery way.
They are said to work withdeath itself, using human
remains to craft tools of harmbones shaped into instruments,
flesh and blood brewed intopotions meant to curse, wound or
even kill In certain tales.
(12:34):
Witches were not always evil.
They once walked the path ofhealers and spiritual guides,
using their gifts to aid others.
But somewhere along the waythey turned from the light and
embraced the shadows.
To become a skinwalker, Onemust undergo a secret and
(12:55):
forbidden rite, hidden from theeyes of the world.
It is said that to gain thedark power of transformation,
the ability to take the form ofthe beast, a witch, must commit
the ultimate betrayal thekilling of a close blood
relative, often a sibling.
Okay, what the fuck?
(13:16):
What?
Give me your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I hate these things and I actually, I like, I think
these are more real than uh, notmore real, more prevalent than
what we talked about last week.
I also, I think I've possiblyexperienced one.
Well, so did I?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We'll talk about that at the end.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
These ones make me a little bit more uncomfortable,
which is for the OK.
My brain is still going on somethings.
I want to hold my comments for,though, so you keep going.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
All right, some things I want to hold my
comments for, though.
So you keep going.
All right.
Skinwalkers are most often seenin the forms of wolves, foxes,
coyotes, cougars, dogs or bears,so again, think of the creature
that walks on all fours.
But their power allows them totake the shape of nearly any
creature.
They choose their form withpurpose, which is so creepy to
(14:04):
me, so selecting for speed,stealth, strength or sharp claws
and teeth.
If chased or cornered, they canshift again, slipping away as
another beast, which is so cool.
It's very cool to me Because Iwish I could just.
But their gifts don't reallyend with transformation.
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A flush pedestrian can paralyzea victim with a single gaze,
bending their own will to itsown.
It's said they can readthoughts, spread illness, bring
death and ruin homes with darkmagic.
They commend the night'screatures owls, wolves and worse
of magic.
(14:48):
They commend the night'screatures, owls, wolves and
worse, and some say they cansummon the dead or even rise
them from their graves.
Oh, that's horrible so it'sweird because I think that to me
, before I was kind ofresearching these two uh, I
guess, if we will, I kind ofthought that the flesh
pedestrian was more commonlyknown, but it's actually not.
(15:11):
It's the Wendy boy is morecommonly known from people.
But I think now some of likethe paranormal researchers,
investigators that you and Iknow of, they've been going to a
lot of places that have moreflesh pedestrian sightings or
things.
So that's, I think, why Ithought it was more prominent I
(15:32):
think there's.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
There's two things that have helped it.
I think one is in the last, Iwould say, decade we've had a
huge resurgence of appalachianlore becoming way more prevalent
in the paranormal society andregular society as well, right
like a lot more of those storiescoming out being told, and
these are very common out there.
I also think we have tv showslike well, like Skinwalker Ranch
(15:58):
exactly, which has nothing todo with it, but it has put them
from being something more nativeand cultural to being more in
the spotlight.
So I think they've kind of beenhaving their moment, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Flesh pedestrians are feared for their potential to
bring sickness, death andmisfortune to those they target.
Like I said before, becausethey present mostly as animals,
it's hard to detect.
Yet some say there are signs towatch for Strange behaviors in
animals that just don't seemright, creatures that move with
(16:37):
an eerie purpose, stare withglowing eyes or behave in ways
so unnatural Even in human form.
Flesh pedestrians are said tomove in twisted, unnatural ways,
their motions wrong in a way,their eye contact like just
quite.
You can't really explain it,but it's just like everything
about them is just like notright.
(16:58):
Their presence is often feltbefore it's seen, bringing with
it a heavy dread andoverwhelming sense that
something nearby is deeply,dangerously wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
See, this makes me think they're not that different
from the not deer?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No, they're not, and I know we did kind of like touch
on that, like the not deer,whether the not deer are just a
flesh pedestrian and they're notjust an own thing of itself,
would make a lot of sense.
So I guess, what are yourfeelings?
So I'm going to let you takethe stage and I'm going to let
you do your little bit of apresent presentation because,
I'm going to be honest, thereisn't much more about flesh
(17:38):
pedestrians than what we kind ofjust went over.
So this is a great time for youto kind of go into whatever
you'd like to, before I I kindof teased it last week but here
here is.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Here's why I asked you.
So last week I asked you if youfound anything in your research
of the um like draining ofpeople's energy right, because I
have heard that about wendigos,but I've also heard that about
flesh pedestrians, which youalso just stated.
It makes people sick, it makesthem worn down, this and that.
So there's also a couple ofthings that you've mentioned
across both episodes which arevery similar.
(18:13):
Yeah Right, so don't look atthe Wendy boy, right, it'll lure
you outside.
But this one, if you see it, itkind of has that same psychic
control.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I can't remember.
I'm so sorry in this episode ifyou've mentioned it yet, but
one of the things, at least inthe Appalachian version of the
Flesh Pedestrian, is a highchance of mimicry.
Right, don't go into the woodsif you hear somebody screaming
your name, somebody who soundsfamiliar.
Well, we talked about that withYep, the Wendy boy.
(18:43):
The Wendy boy.
The other thing is the closingof the, the blinds right.
You don't look outside in areaswhere both of these reside, so
there's there's a lot ofsimilarity between the two, and
I think that's why they getmixed up and it's like look at
the.
The animals they take on areare different enough, but if we
(19:08):
add in the not deer of it, right, it's all these like
four-legged creatures.
You're just talking.
You're talking about fleshpedestrians right now flesh
pedestrians to the not deer,right to now the wendy boy.
I'm trying so hard not to saythem some of the representations
of the Wendy boy, while itlooks like they walk in uprights
(19:29):
their front like, even thoughthey're like, mostly bipedal
they have very long long, longfront arms that they can almost
creep along the ground.
With One of the things that'sbeen going through my head as
we've been going through both ofthese episodes, I kind of go
back to when Sam was on the showand he was talking about how
certain things appeardifferently, for how you can
(19:50):
best have it, and so one of mythoughts and I'm not sold on
this right- but just a point forus to jump off on is are these
two or even the three things allthe same type of entity that is
appearing differently fordifferent people?
or do we have something becauseboth of them right both the lore
(20:11):
is is similar it's somebody whohas taken their course off or
their path has gone off thecourse and they've either become
a cannibal or they were goingto be a healer and they went
this wrong way.
Like is this entire phenomenathe embodiment of when somebody
has a choice between good andevil and now their spirit's gone
(20:32):
evil?
And is it that spirit thatlives on that now has the
ability to take on these things?
And, and maybe it looks alittle different.
Maybe I'm not saying they haveto be the same thing, but
there's enough similaritybetween them that I don't always
think we're talking about likethe difference between a turtle,
a deer and a duck right,whether it's like three things
of the same species or genus, Idon't know okay, I just think
(20:55):
it's really interesting to playoff that.
So what are your thoughts now?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
let me uh try to maybe easily easier leely, oh my
God are to do what you'resaying.
To me it's like how so manypeople speak a different
language.
We all speak a differentlanguage, but come to the same
conclusion when we're having aconversation with somebody that
is speaking that same language.
But if you were to, for example, like Arabic, if you were to
(21:23):
translate a sentence that we sayinto arabic, it doesn't
correlate correctly the contextgets very correct it's like just
it's just not, it's not exactlythe same it reminds me of like
multiple choice.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Two answers could be correct, but pick the one that
seems the most.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
No spitting yeah, so I think that I do agree with you
, right, because we're talkingabout algonquin tribes and
navajo, so separate, yeah, butthey are experiencing some of
the same phenomenon entity, Idon't know what is less.
I don't want to offend anybody,but we're experiencing these
(22:02):
same things, right or not, ornot same, but similar things.
So is it almost like a languagewhere it's because it's like
different, um, wow.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
No, you're, you're literally on the right track.
No, no, you're doing very wellon it.
It's um yeah, a difference inlanguage, or is it a difference
in idea?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, and I'm not necessarily saying it's because
of the language.
I'm just trying to articulatethat to make it something.
So, if we're talking aboutpeople who have two different
(22:45):
languages.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
it could be totally similar, it could be different,
and you and I aren't educated inlanguage and etymology enough
to know.
But it's just an interestingthought experiment.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And again, like I kind of said at the last episode
, we're not trying to offendanybody and, to be completely
fair, we don't know what we'retalking about.
We can dive into so manyarticles and books and facts and
things like that about thesedifferent tribes and their
cultures and their beliefs andtheir spirituality, but we will
never have the right to know andunderstand it the way that they
(23:19):
do, because it is just such atrue belief to them and like a
religion and it's justspirituality, is so magical to
the person that believes in it.
So we don't have the right toreally know everything.
But my biggest takeaways fromdoing this research and it's you
know, it sounds very simple,but my biggest takeaways are a
(23:41):
Wendy boy is brought from likegreed and gluttony right and
basically was pushed to theextreme I don't even know
madness or whatever you know.
Uh, uh, that should have neverbeen and it was brought to the
point where they had to eithereat somebody else like a
cannibal.
Uh, they become a cannibal andthen became that creature.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Your traits have taken you so far off of human
you become a monster.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And then, once you're there, then you can bring other
people into that misery.
So that's that right.
So it's based on cannibalismand the flesh pedestrian is
basically like you were saying,in a nutshell the good and the
evil.
You were a practitioner of evil.
You were a practitioner of good, you were a medicine man.
(24:27):
You were like these high lookedupon people and you got too
full of it and the magic tookover too much, basically, and
then you took the dark route andthen you became this dark
entity.
So again, it's kind of likethat good and evil, but is it
like I don't?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
it is very different when you look at it that way,
because it's I, I think you canlook at that differently, but I
think you can also look at thatsimilarly, like, not not even
just like the right, thepractice of it became evil for
the, the witch, to turn to thepedestrian, the fleshy
pedestrian.
But you can also talk about itas somebody who's giving into
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their like both of them havegiven into some sort of power or
carnal desire, where they'velost their humanity along the
way.
Yeah, um, so like it can bevery different, but it also can
be very similar no, I agree, I,yeah, I agree I don't know
enough about either of them tosay they're the same thing or
different.
I just think it's an interestingdebate to have to say, hey,
these things might not be asdiametrically opposed as they're
(25:31):
presented to be.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
No, and I agree, and I, and that's really why I
wanted to do the episode,combining them and not combining
, but the differences betweenthe two, because I think that
they are so vastly different butalso very similar, where people
do confuse them or not, maybelike they're just like wait,
which one is that?
Or what does it do?
Again, like what's thecharacteristics, things like
that.
(25:53):
So I agree, it's just likefascinating.
And again, I think it's justlike the difference in the
tribes and the culture.
And it just again, like we saidlast episode or last week,
supernatural is it'll never befully understood, it's always
ever changing or ever um,developing.
Like we can never be experts.
(26:14):
I don't feel in anything likethis, because we just will never
actually know.
But even in, like the lastepisode, I think it's like lean
into the elders, the ones thatare you know, I guess.
Oh my God, my brain just leftmy body.
I swear to God, my brain leftmy body Lean into the people
(26:35):
that do know what they'retalking about and that are a
part of these types of things,like if you did really need help
, because I think those would bethe only people that you could
ever trust and rely on, if youreally needed anything about
these two.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So let me ask you this, yeah, and feel free to
discount this if you have moreto go on.
But I think we kind of teasedeveryone last week or now I'm
confused if it was last week orjust earlier this episode where
we both feel like we've hadexperiences with them.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That was this episode .
Speaker 1 (27:05):
That was the beginning of this episode.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Do you want to share yours.
I think, probably over a yearago, I have said not the word of
what I saw, but that I had areally crazy experience and I
did not want to talk about it.
I still don't even know if Iwant to talk about it because I
don't know where that thing is,but it was definitely one of
these, not the other, and thereason that I say that is
(27:30):
because it was pretty much thatcreepy, fucking, all fours
U-shaped weird thing that Idescribed.
And if we are saying that thatis a flush pedestrian, that is
fucking what I saw and I've kindof showed zach where it was,
but I was just driving home fromwork.
It was really.
It was like got really late soit was dark out.
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I mean, there are street lights, but it was just like on a
street, but it was kind of likewhere that cemetery is, but not
quite there, and I was at a stopsign and then I was like
turning and I like look in myrear view mirror and it was in
the road, just in the middle ofthe fucking road, and I knew
instantly.
I knew instantly what it was.
(28:12):
I literally just said to myselflike clear your mind.
No fucking way.
Nope, it's not like I knew itwas there.
I wasn't telling myself itwasn't there, but I was telling
myself that I am not going toacknowledge it and give it any
any of my thought, presencebeing whatever.
I just remember like I lookedat it in my side mirror one more
time, cause I'm like am I nuts?
Nope, and then I just lookedforward and I kept driving home
(28:35):
because at that point, wherethat stop sign is, from where my
house is, yeah, you're not far.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You could do it with your eyes closed.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh I could.
So I just like.
I never looked back at any ofmy mirrors, I just kept going
and I just was like, and then Ipulled up my driveway, shut the
door and came right inside and Idon't even think I told you
till a couple of days later,because I did not want to give
it any sort of acknowledgementat all At all, and that's that.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I've had two and they were very close together.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And you think they were flesh.
I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I've always put them in the camp of the flesh pad.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
But I the first story to tell us, and then out, and
then we'll, we'll discuss.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
The first one, I was driving with a really close
friend of mine and I mentionedthem on this podcast, I just
don't know if I should in thisstory.
We were driving up north northmichigan, uh, total dog man
country, which again anotherthing that is very similar to
the story of the flashpedestrians, but in the, the
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culvert of a road, okay, okay,there were eyes that hit the
headlights that glowed like kindof like a deer's wood, right,
okay, like you know how a deer'seyes glow at night, or any
animal, so lilas look crazyright, any animal.
It was about deer height, though, but then it went down a foot
and up a foot from each place,so it was like almost like it
(30:05):
was like hopping up and down fora second.
Oh, as we got closer to it itwent from that you know, three
to four foot, where it's kind ofgoing back and forth, to all of
a sudden human height andbright, glowing and we're we
sped down the road, we're likeout of here.
I don't know what that was.
I'm not sticking around to findout what that was.
Well, we used to camp back inthat same area, and this is one
(30:26):
of those things where, in highschool, you go camping and you
know what we were all doing backin the woods.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah.
We were partying our asses offand there I like how you said it
Like we all know what we'redoing, like we don't need to say
.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then you're mad.
You, you knew what I was doing.
It's been a while since we hada hey denise, hey denise, uh,
mom, mom, mom, um, so no, mommy,she would slap me.
I feel like if I called hermommy she'd slap me I mean she
would just slap you for no, II'm kidding, but other stories,
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so we're all in the woods.
Okay, there was this girl whobecame the butt of the jokes
that evening.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, wait, so this is not the same day.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Not the same day.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Same general area.
Okay, she was kind of like anacquaintance, not a friend.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
She had way too much water in the woods and way too
much water in the woods she wasjust drunk as hell oh, I've
never heard that way too muchwater in the woods I just made
that up off my head.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was trying to be euphemistic, but you didn't pick
it up.
So anyways though, she keptsaying she kept seeing this
creature and we're like, okay,well, it's probably like a deer
or whatever you know, or a dog.
She, I keep seeing a mountainlion.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I keep seeing a mountain lion you're like you're
a drunk dumb bitch pretty much.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean we called her dg all night for drunk girl oh
that's nice.
It wasn't until we all heardher scream in the woods where
we're like, okay, somebody's gotto go get her.
Let.
We all heard her scream in thewoods where we're like, okay,
somebody's got to go get her,let's go Like we took all the
flashlights.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You're all like, oh God.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
We're going and she comes behind us, who had passed
out, and goes what are you guyslooking for?
We're like you.
You and then the mountain lionthat she kept saying she saw
went by us right where we hadheard her specifically scream.
yeah, it was uncomfortable atbest it just walked by, you guys
(32:31):
like I mean when I say walkedby, like I mean it was like 50
yards off but down by the creek,but it was like straight where
we heard her scream.
Now, all night she kept sayingshe was seeing a mountain lion.
We're like, girl, you're notseeing a mountain lion, whatever
.
Then we believed her.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
We all slept in the cars that night instead of in
the tents, but um so when yousay you believed her at that
moment, did you just believethat like oh yeah, she saw that
mountain lion, or did youbelieve that?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
so all night she kept saying so every time she went
to use the bathroom she keptsaying she was seeing a mountain
lion.
We're like, we've been campingout here for years, we've never
seen one.
Now we know they're in the area, right Right, but for some
reason she kept seeing thisthing where, like we hadn't.
So then we hear her screamlater.
Well, we think she sees itagain.
We go to find her.
She comes up behind us goingwhat are you guys doing, like?
(33:17):
What are you guys doing Like?
We just heard you screaming inthe woods and then we saw that
thing move off.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But what I'm saying is, or what I'm asking is at
that moment were you like oh,fuck something weird's going on?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Or did you just believe that like, oh shit,
there is a mountain lion?
I think it was the first of alloh shit, there is a mountain
lion, because that's what we saw, saw Right.
And we're like everyone getback to camp, we have to take
care of that.
And then it's like when you getback and your, your adrenaline
wears off.
You're like we all went, whywas she behind us?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
like yeah, okay, okay , that's I was wondering in the
moment.
Did you realize that part, orlike?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
there.
There were other times we wereout camping that same spot,
which is very, very I mean we wewere 16, 17.
We were making sure we weregoing where the cops couldn't
find us, yeah, yeah.
So you're deep roads to twotracks, to a single track off
the teacher.
I mean we were 10 miles fromcivilization but you, every once
(34:10):
in a while you'd hear therandom, just the, these weird
screams and things out there.
It was a very unsettling area,ew, and also not that far from
where I could tell you someother really horrifying native
stories.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
But oh, that's not for today yeah, no, I.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think this is.
This is enough for today onunhorrifying, but I don't know.
I think they're.
It's really interesting in thefact, though, that these all
come from like humans turninginto something.
So another thought that crossedmy mind yeah, right is like
right.
So we have the witch whosuccumbs to this, and we have
the practitioner practitioner,person with carnal desires that
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becomes a witch yes,practitioner who becomes the
witch.
Or we have the person who givesinto their carnal desires of
greed and gluttony, andeverything sort of has both a
human, animal, spirit aspect toit.
The other thing I start tothink of is are these evil
entities that exist on theplanet, whether they're
elemental, demonic, whatever youwant to call it, whatever your
(35:13):
belief system is, and when theyfind somebody who is susceptible
and going down a dark path, nowthey have a physical form they
can take on.
So they have that spiritualelement, they have that
corporeal element, and maybe thedifferences we're seeing in
them come from the body of whichthey possess.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, because I think that it's like does each of us
have this Wendy boy fleshpedestrian inside of us just
waiting to like be brought?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
forth A little bit different than what I was saying
, like I thought maybe we'd likeshow up to them and say, oh hey
, this is a host, but that'sinteresting too.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Maybe it is something , yeah, and I've thought of it
both ways, because it's like, ifyou're thinking about it in the
sense of like a deeper meaningand a message, those messages
are kind of the same kind oflike we're talking about, right.
So it's either like you'reforced to do the cannibalism
type of thing and then maybekeep possessing're brought to
(36:21):
have all of these like powersand like this healing, and then
you get too greedy about it andyou turn it to the dark side.
So it's like, are these twothings always deep in us?
That like are just kind offestering like the?
The evil is just deep in thereand it could be brought out, it
could be tempted out by thesetypes of temptations?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I don't know I think we're gonna also can I?
Can I tease something a littlebit?
sure and I I hope I gave youenough information when I was
telling you about this thing.
I'm teasing that it would makesense, but I I think we're gonna
have a really unique discussionin the next couple months.
We're waiting for timelines tomeet up, okay, where we you and
(37:03):
I we've talked about ufos,aliens, cryptids, all these
things right where, and we, youand I have hit on the fact a lot
of recently, like bigfoot andwhat we call aliens might have a
relation, and we're talkingabout how these things might
have relation.
I think we're about to have areally unique conversation about
magic with a k and some otherthings, um, how they're
(37:28):
interrelated, and I think so.
So much of the high strange weexperience on this planet could
be more interrelated with eachother than we originally give it
credit for I do think that youand I have recently leaned into
that theory already.
Which is so funny that thisconversation we're going to have
(37:50):
popped up super randomly at thetime where you and I are going
through this transformation andthought I'm excited, yeah, and
that's all I'll say on that.
Sorry guys, another, we'reteasing a lot this year, but we
are working on some shit.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
My final little question in this part of the
discussion and then let's moveon is after doing this, research
me and then after you hearingsome of this, are you more
afraid of these two things orless afraid than you were before
we started?
I will say I'm actually beforeI answered that maybe afraid is
(38:24):
not the right word, but I'llknow.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I'll answer that, I think.
Before I say that, though, is Ithink you actually gave me a
little bit more clarity on thewendy boys than I had, uh, on
what the differences are.
I think I'm the fleshpedestrians really creep me out
there.
There's just something sounsettling about the whole thing
and thinking I've experiencedit more than once where that
(38:49):
truly scares me.
I think maybe the Wendy boy I'ma little less of.
Okay, I can say is, as we'vegone through the journey we have
for the past couple of years,is I have a lot more respect for
them, both the culture theycome from and themselves, than I
(39:11):
ever would have had had we notgotten into some of this
research.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yes.
So what I would say is that Iam less afraid or bothered by
the subject matter of them.
I still don't want to speaktheir you know true forms or
true names, because I don't wantto call that upon myself, but
I'm less bothered by both ofthem.
I do still think that they'reterrifying things and everyone
(39:36):
experienced one.
That's what, that's not whatI'm saying, but I do think that,
like you just said, the respectof it and really understanding,
like, where it comes from, yeah, and really just being true to
yourself and knowing that I amnot going to partake in these
types of things, I'm going torespect nature, respect these
tribes, respect thesespiritualities, and it's not my
(39:57):
business, and I think that canbe said about, like, whether you
and if you're listening to this, let's be Respect these tribes,
respect these spiritualitiesand it's not my business, and I
think that can be said about,like, whether you and if you're
listening to this, let's behonest you believe in all this
kind of shit.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
But whether you believe in high strain shit or
not, right, anything you see asa threat, the more you can
educate yourself about thethreat, the less power it holds
over you.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Knowledge is power.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
What was the other thing you said?
Wisdom before weapons.
Also, make sure you print outKara's little handy dandy
survival cheat sheet.
I think you know what we saidon the last episode, that we
might put it on Patreon.
I think let's just put it onall the socials.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Everyone deserves some safety.
Well then, moving forward, Ihave a field guide on how to
survive a skinwalker encounter.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Okay, perfect, all Moving forward.
I have a field guide on how tosurvive a skinwalker encounter.
Okay, perfect, all right, Ididn't even mean to segue you
that perfectly, gosh Segu.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know, people really think that the word is
segu.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
So to segue, Honestly , I love you so much but knowing
your pronunciation of things, Iwouldn't be surprised if you
said that one.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That is not me All right, starting over Field guide
, field guide how to survive askinwalker encounter drawn from
legend, shadow and centuries ofcaution.
Number one trust your gut Ifyou feel like something is
watching you or the forestsuddenly goes silent.
Listen to your instincts.
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Skinwalkers often arriveunannounced, but your body will
feel their presence before youreyes ever do.
The air gets heavier, your skinprickles, your stomach knots
when your soul recoils beforeyour senses catch up.
Leave quickly, okay.
Number two never wander aloneat night.
Number two never wander aloneat night.
(41:40):
Skinwalkers prey on the ice.
I probably shouldn't have criedin the woods.
Them deers were not deers.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It wasn't night, it was.
Oh, was it dark?
Yeah, idiot, idiot.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Idiot Number two never wander alone at night.
They prey on the isolated andunaware.
Always stay in a group,especially near forests, deserts
or reservations, where thesebeings are said to roam.
Don't chase strange sounds.
Don't follow voices callingyour name.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Never Sorry.
That is just like the numberone, and this one.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Zachary needs to get better at Never whistle in the
dark at night.
It's an invitation, mister.
Let me whistle in a hauntedasylum at night.
When did I do that?
You did that at Eloise.
You started whistling in thehallway.
We were walking and I said Iswear to God.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh, yeah, I did, I will kill you.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Number three.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
We were inside.
They can't come in man-madeobjects.
We went over that.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It doesn't matter.
Other spirits and entities aredrawn by it.
It's a known fact.
You don't whistle at night.
They could have just beenstanding outside waiting for us
to leave the building.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I'm trying so hard not to whistle right now.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Number three Watch the animals.
If an animal seems off too,still staring too long, moving
oddly and glowing eyes or inuncanny silence, do not approach
.
Flush pedestrians can take theshape of wolves, foxes, owls,
coyotes, even your beloved pet.
It wears the shape of what youtrust, delilah.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
On that note, I also don't usually believe all those
videos you see on social mediaOoh, I caught a skinwalker, ooh,
I caught this or that.
There's this one.
I know exactly what it is.
The goat no, it's the dog.
The goat at the door is one.
I know which one you're talkingabout, but then there's a dog
that, as it, goes behind a lightpost completely changes and I
(43:43):
have watched that so many timesto see where the cut is or what.
I can't figure it out.
That one, to me, is one of themost horrifying videos.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Have you seen the dog , though?
That's literally at the backdoor like it's waiting to be let
in, but his actual dog is onthe couch next to him.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yes, I feel like I've seen all three of those on the
same cut.
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
All right.
Number four protective measures.
While you can't kill a fleshpedestrian easily, you can keep
it at bay.
Burn sage, cedar and sweetgrasssacred plants known for
spiritual protection.
Use ash circles for temporaryrewards.
Wear blessed tokens or medicinebags made by trusted healers.
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Stay near strong fires.
Flesh pedestrians prefer shadowand silence.
Five avoid speaking the name.
Talking openly about fleshpedestrians, especially at night
fuck our lives.
We're at night is considereddangerous in Navajo culture.
Naming them invites them in.
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The wind listens the darkremembers.
Number six Chilling, I know.
Number six what not to do.
Don't stare into their eyes.
They take control of your mind.
Don't try to fight one alone.
Unless you are protectedspiritually, you're already at
disadvantage.
Don't take souvenirs fromcursed places.
Protected spiritually, you'realready at disadvantage.
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Don't take souvenirs fromcursed places.
Bones, feathers or strangeartifacts may be traps.
Seven when it's too late, ifone has chosen, you tell
somebody who can help a medicineperson, a spiritual guide or an
elder.
Hold your ground but neverengage it in anger.
Speak prayers and burn sacredherbs and, if you can, leave the
area and don't return.
(45:28):
Final words Flesh pedestriansaren't just stories.
They're warnings passed downthrough generations.
Whether you believe or not,respect the tales.
The desert doesn't lie, andneither do the old ones To
survive the night.
Honor the light and neverforget you're not alone out
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there.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
God, again these feel like it's taken straight out of
Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
All right, I do.
I know we're getting close.
I didn't think this was goingto be that long, but we had such
a great discussion.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Sorry, I know I talked around these.
No, it's okay, we love it.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I do have an encounter.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
To wrap us up, and this one is from personal dash,
paloma eight seven zero three.
I am 25, male, I live in Utahand I am curious if any of you
have seen anything like thisbefore.
I'm pretty sure I saw a windyboy or a flesh pedestrian.
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I know it sounds strange orcrazy.
I don't really believe in thosethings and I'm regularly
skeptical when it comes to theparanormal.
What happened to me is when Iwas 17 and in high school and
living with my parents.
My house at the time was in avery small town.
The backyard faced open emptyfields and mountains for miles
before you reached anothercivilization at all.
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My best friend lived next doorand shared this field as our
backyard in a way.
I have to explain that hishouse sat, how his house sat.
He wrote that wrong built on adifferent street that ended in a
field with a small cul-de-sac,I think there was supposed to be
more houses built down hisstreet to be expanded to a town,
(47:08):
but that clearly never happened.
So his driveway was basicallyin the cul-de-sac, even though
no other houses were built there.
This matters later in the story.
I used to stay the night at myfriend's house a lot in high
school because I didn't have thebest relationship with my
parents.
Every once in a while we wouldwake up to hear dragging and
weird gargling sound from theback porch.
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His room was a basement roomwith the window well to the back
porch.
It would happen maybe a coupletimes a month, but whenever we
would gather the courage tocheck, nothing would be back
there.
This happened for years.
Ew, gargling is disgusting.
One night haunts my friend andI to this day.
(47:51):
My friend was getting ready tomove and we stayed up all night
playing games and watchingmovies.
We decided to go on a musicdrive just to vibe.
So he hopped in his truck withhigh beams and swung out the
driveway, turning them towardsthe fields to use the roundabout
.
The light illuminated thisthing.
It looked like a person, but itwasn't.
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It was naked on all fours,abnormally large, particularly
its limbs.
That seemed to fold underitself in an unnatural way.
Its pale skin clung to it likeit had been scratched on,
stretched onto it.
Sorry, but the part that stillsends shivers down my spine is
its face, its jaw hung open tothis gasping black maw like a
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snake unhinging its jaw to eatwhich.
This is way more a flashpedestrian than yeah wendy.
Its black eyes glistened in thelight as it looked at us, but
just as it turned to see us itquickly scurried backwards,
almost like it was on rewind,into the brush of the field.
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That is the most disturbingshit on rewind.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
The mental image that comes to mind.
Did you ever see Guillermo delToro's Pan's Labyrinth?
No, the creature at the buffetwith the eyes that looks like
Mitch McConnell sort of, butwith skin hanging.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
My friend and I were pale as ghosts.
We both looked at each otherlike did we just see that too?
Did you just see that too?
We were shaken.
Let's just say we tried to havea good rest of the night, but
we couldn't believe what we saw.
We ended up just sitting therein his basement with guns ready
and waiting to hear the garglingand dragging again, but we
never did.
(49:44):
Sorry, that's not too climactic, but it's the truth.
I now don't live in that townanymore.
There are times when I visitthere, though the empty field
still feels like it's watchingand waiting.
Even though I can't see it, Ican still feel like it's out
there, Alright.
Do you have anything to add tothat story?
Your face is just disgust.
Even though I can't see it, Ican still feel like it's out
there, All right.
Do you have anything to add?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
to that story.
Your face is just disgust.
No, I think that is a perfectstory.
To sum up how terrifying thesethings that we're talking about
are so we're just going torecrap really quickly Recrap.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
From last week.
Recrap.
We're going to just recrap thiscrap, okay, so we're going
gonna give a very quickcomparison, okay, okay.
So wendy boy origin cursed bycannibalism.
Flesh pedestrian is you know,chose evil through ritual.
Uh, the nature basically of thewendy boy monster cursed or
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spirit, flesh pedestrian ishuman witch with dark powers.
Form Wendy boy is the gaunt,monstrous like beastly thing.
Flesh pedestrian shifts betweenanimal and human.
Behavior of the Wendy boy feedson flesh, mindless hunger,
flesh pedestrian manipulation,deceives, curses.
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And then the symbolism of ourwendy boy is, you know, greed,
starvation, uh, colonial trauma,flesh pedestrian betrayal and
then spiritual corruption okay,I'm not gonna open this up for a
whole nother discussion, I'mjust gonna leave you a few
seconds on this.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Maybe we get them so confused sometimes because if
the deceit and uh, manipulationand everything is so much of the
flesh pedestrian, I wonder ifsometimes they front as the
other.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Oh well, I do have.
I can print this littlecomparison too, so that you can
like have it we need thecomparisons, we need the
survival guides.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Everyone, keep this with you.
We're going to slowly,throughout these episodes, start
to build you what a cryptidsurvival kit that we teased
years ago we could, and it couldkind of be like our grimoire of
every like there we go oh mygod what if we came up?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
with an oddity shop like grimoire and like uh guides
and like safety things okay,you know what?
Speaker 1 (51:57):
that's our call to action on this episode.
If you have stories, we'll takethem, but our biggest thing you
could do from us is let us knowif you would be interested in
like the Oddity Shop survivalguide grimoire.
Oh yes, I love that idea.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
This would be so fun.
It's going to take a lot ofwork, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Once we finish the 15 other projects and surprises
that we have going, we couldstart on that one.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Okay, if you guys would actually want that, then
let us know, because otherwiseI'm not going to waste my time.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
I'll make it for you and I, but I'm not going to make
it good, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
All right, so I will leave us with an incantation to
hopefully cleanse us from lastweek this week craziness.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
I'm going to go be completely honest.
This week, craziness Perfect.
I'm going to go be completelyhonest.
I couldn't find an incantationthat would like make like I
couldn't find one for both ofthese things, so chat
collectively with everythingthat I research.
I put all my research in andthen it just made magic straight
from chat.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
GPT here we go.
I was so against them takingover the world, but you know it
is what it is.
Lean inT here we go.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I was so against them taking over the world, but you
know it is what it is Lean inbaby.
Here we go, spirits of the land,hear me now.
I stand beneath the sky, feetin the soil, with smoke of cedar
, sage and pine.
I call to the ancestors, thosewho walk in light.
Wendigo of hunger, pass me by.
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Skinwalker of shadow, beunbound.
The space is sealed with breathof flame, with truth in heart
and no fear in name.
You hold no power wherestrength is born.
You cannot hide where vision issworn by the howl of the wolf,
by the cry of the crow, byfire's edge and moonlight's glow
(53:40):
.
Be gone, be gone and trouble nomore.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
the circle is strong, this spirit is whole okay,
first of all, that was amazingsecond I don't care if it just
partly came from chat gpt,because you and I both know that
the biggest power of magic isnot the words you're saying, but
the, the intention behind it.
So I'm sorry that we havementioned both these things by
(54:04):
name so many times but at leastyou have a little protection
incantation.
So I would say, rewind that,turn your speakers either
outside of your headphones orall the way up and play it one
more time, just to protectyourself, because we don't need
any shit on our hands.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
No, and you should redo it, because when you redo
it, pause before, take a deepbreath, really put your
intentions into it like you'rereally believing it, let it
replay and it'll be a perfectlysmooth, a great incantation for
everybody.
First of, all great job, dudemaybe I'll record it again once,
just to just send everybody.
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Okay, well, thank you guys fortuning in for the second episode
of this.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Two weeks of utter horror.
Yeah, horror.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Terrifyingness.
I'm going to keep it short.
Oh, what should this emoji be?
Hmm, well, I guess you could do.
Let's just do like a wolf, abear, like an animal, because it
shifts okay, um, we love you somuch.
Thank you so much for beinghere through all of this
horrifyingness.
Uh, yeah, that's really all Ihave for you, aside from creepy
(55:13):
real yad balls goodbye, I hope,with the dogman.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Cut the elevation, closed in the shadows.
Cut the elevation.
Outro Music.
I want to dance with the mothman at the IA shop,
baked in the moonlight at the IAshop.
Creep through the graveyard tothe IA shop.
The door's always open at theIA shop.
(00:37):
Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, our little oddballs.
This is the podcast where wetell you stories about the odd,
creepy, weird, bizarre and thosewho shall not be named.
Oh, apparently that's a new one.
I like it.
I'm your curator, zachary,sitting here with the other
(00:58):
halfway decent curator, kara,hello.
What's behind your world is ifanybody cares.
Ugh, okay, so uh, ash, hello,what's counting?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
your world is, if anybody cares, okay.
So, uh, ash from morbidrecommended a book and so I was
like, oh, okay, and it wascalled um, so thirsty, and it's
by rachel harrison and it's avan the pyre uh book, and so I
was like, oh cool, I'll read it,uh.
But you know, I don't reallyhave time to sit down and read.
So I listened to it.
(01:27):
So I don't think it counts asreading, but I listened to it
and it was really good.
So for those that like bookslike that, I am not a smut book
person.
It's just not my jam.
I don't need very smut, I don'tneed.
It's just that's not what I'minto.
So I was kind of hoping thatthis wasn't going to be like a
vampire smut, but it's not.
It was actually pretty good.
It was still a love story, butit was really cool.
It was about being turned intoa vampire and the crazy effects
(01:51):
of it, and I really thoroughlyenjoyed it.
So then, effects on the libido,the lust of blood and murder.
So I listened to that and Ireally liked it.
So I listened to that and Ireally liked it.
So then I bought another bookfrom her, called such sharp
teeth, because it's a werewolfbook.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
This is how you slowly get sucked.
If you start reading stephaniegoddamn meyer I don't think I
will, but maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Uh.
No, I really liked this rachelharrison.
She has a whole bunch of books,I think, ones on like a witch,
like stuff like that.
So I plan on like listening tothem all because they were just
good, they weren't long ones,they're nothing crazy, just like
zones you out into, you knowthis reminds me of a time I went
into a bookstore with Juliaamazing bookstore girl that I
once knew so it was.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's like one of those like the floor creaks
every step.
It's just oh yes, a labyrinth ofshelves, okay dusty.
So I was like hey, do you guyshave like a paranormal and
occult section?
Because, yeah, it's back inthat corner when so I walked
over there, uh about a year agoprobably, and I get back there
(02:59):
and I do find the paranormal andoccult.
Like when I say shelf, I'm noteven talking shelf top to bottom
, I mean like half of a shelf,but it was surrounded by three
full floor-to-ceiling shelves ofparanormal romance oh no, I
didn't realize there was such adraw.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, no, must I can't?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
that's not my thing okay, so while you're reading
your smut books, well, it seemslike.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It seems like a gateway to smut um I would
rather have a gateway drug intoreal hard drugs than read smut
books it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I've been thinking about plants.
So you know, we've been doingsome.
I've been doing someresearching of my bedroom and
some other things.
Wait, do you remember when?
Um chris jenner?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
was trying to spell like zhuzh of my bedroom and
some other things.
Wait, do you remember when umchris jenner was trying to spell
like zhuzh?
How do you spell zhuzh?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
oh, I actually don't know I, I actually almost said
that to somebody at work today.
Well, like I mean not, how doyou spell it?
I almost typed it to somebodyin slack.
How?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
do you spell?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
it, I think the closest I've seen is j-h-u-z,
but I don't know but anyways thezhuzhing has been happening and
now I have a couple empty.
So I'm not going to replace allthe plants that died.
This last year I've been goingcrazy.
I've had way too many plants.
It's been stressing me out soI'm downsized.
But now I have the perfectsetup and I know which exact
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five plants I want.
Where did you put the plantsyou got rid of, or they just
died.
So I had quite a few that diedthis last year because last
summer I just didn't do my best.
Now the ones that I have placedare all doing really well,
because everything that I haveplaced is actually in a place
where that plant should be.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So when you say you downsized, you mean they died
yes.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But my orchids are now where they should be and
they re-bloom.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And like so.
But so now I know specificallywhat five plants I want, based
on the lighting, as I've learnednow.
So I'm not going to go back to40.
I'm going to keep it to like 25to 30.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I think I'll look 100 .
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But I know exactly, I know Well you.
Just your house has way morenatural light than mine, I
natural light than mine.
I do, I do.
It pisses me off, I'm sorry.
So what?
Five plants, zachary?
Um, I well, I realized I usedto have the most.
I used to have like four orfive spider plants and I don't
have any now.
So I'm I'm putting a spiderplant back in, okay, and I need
a couple like, um, philodendronstyle vines that are low light
(05:21):
vines, okay, and then I have aton of cuttings going, so you
can, okay, perfect I do stillwant, even though every time I
get one I don't know how to doit but a pilea.
What is that one?
Pilea, pilia, it's the um one.
It's like a stalk with a sauceron the end, like an out of the
water lily pad, but they have abunch of them.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh okay, chinese money plant is, oh I have a
couple of those, so those can behard I know well.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So I finally had a um god, I'm I'm blanking on the
scientific name of it now, andit's when you and I, the
alacasia, my alacasia, is doingfantastic the arrowhead oh god,
you know, I'm so bad with thenames of these plants.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I have have so many plants but I don't fucking know
the names.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That.
So I think I'm going to getsome more of those.
Okay, but the other thing isand I don't even know if I've
told you this I paid off my cartwo years early, and that's my
good thing.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You did not tell me this.
I paid off my car.
Oh my God, I'm so proud ofy'all.
I am lean free.
Oh God, I am lean clean.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Drive and machine.
There you go.
All right, those are myexciting things for you.
Wow, All right Well those weremore better than my books.
Do you know?
You know what?
I was going to tell a storyabout?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
something you and I did last night, but I'm gonna
hold on to this one, that's sofunny because I was just gonna
tell that story but then I waslike, maybe not, let's hold on
to it because I think we'regonna have an update for it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Y'all.
I'm trying to scheme my wayinto a house that I think is
haunted.
I have no idea, I just walkedby it the other day.
I'm gonna do, I'm gonna, I'mgonna really show my crazy and I
know it's just a route for methe most unhinged human.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Last night, when we were talking for like an hour
and a half, the most.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You just saw my real estate side and this is the the
level of no things I have accessto and creeping that we do.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It wasn't even just for that, though, just in
general you were very hingedlast night I've been on very
little sleep this week okaylet's open, do you have?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
no no, my question figure it out okay, did you sage
oh god, I know what we'retalking about this week too, and
I I would love to say yes okay,maybe everybody, if you have
some sage, be saging it up sagespray.
We need to like buy ourlisteners, at least the patreon.
Some sage spray for all thefreaking shit horrible energy we
(07:53):
bring into your house.
Yeah, okay, sorry about it.
That's our question.
Shop's open, let's go.
Sorry about it sorry about it,sorry yeah, because we're gonna
have to pretend to be Canadians.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Okay, we're now going to from last episode.
If you didn't listen to lastepisode, I guess you could
listen to this one first,because it's just a comparison.
But you probably should startat last episode, because we
talked about the Wendigo, theWindy Boy, and this episode.
We are now talking about thecommonly mistaken or confused
(08:27):
for or intertwined thought ofthe Skinwalker.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Bum, bum, bum.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
As a refresher, we are going to call them flesh
pedestrians.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And disclaimer nobody will be mad if you fall off
this episode, because talkingabout them can draw them.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yes, so if you leave, I'm good, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We'll miss you.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
See you next week.
Who knows, might be crazier nextweek.
Oh God, all right.
They say there's a name youshouldn't speak lightly Yee,
nald Loshi, the one who walks onall fours Ew, who walks on all
fours.
Among the Navajo, it marks abeing of dark power, feared not
(09:09):
for what it is but for what itused to be A skinwalker, once
human, now something else,something twisted by forbidden
rights, lurking in the form ofbeasts and shadows.
Flesh pedestrians can shape,shift themselves as different
(09:31):
animals, making them easilyundetectable, and I'm not sure
what's less terrifying, bothequally.
Is it more terrifying to see itor for it to be shapeshift into
an animal that you justnormally see?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Oh well, I would say like for the fact of being able
to ignore it.
So if you think about like, ifI didn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But OK, so let's get.
I'm going to backtrack a second.
So if you think about the WindyBoy, what that presents as OK,
that's very terrifying,terrifying.
Or an animal that you think isjust an innocently animal as a
flesh pedestrian, it's moreterrifying.
They're just, they're actuallyboth very terrifying.
It would be terrifying to see avisual of that crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh, I don't know it's I will say, though, like here's
the deal, at least with thewindy boy if you see it, you
know exactly what you're dealingwith where I've seen some you
think videos of yeah, like, andyou know most times the videos
on youtube and reddit and stuff,like I count them off, but I've
seen some videos of the fleshpedestrians where it's like it
(10:42):
presents something at first andthen just slightly alters or
changes, and that to me ishorrifying, because then you
don't trust anything.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it reminds me of the not dear yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, that's, I think , how we got on this originally.
I'm saying kind of.
Yeah, if it, if it slightlyshifted, I actually think to me
that's more terrifying to seethe fleshy than the Wendy.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I kind of agree , OK, but I think the fleshy
than the wendy.
Yeah, I kind of agree, um, okay, but I I think that we might be
able to all also picture theimage that is a lot of times
referenced, with a fleshpedestrian and it's a creature
that's on all fours but its bodyis like a u-shape.
And I think you know what I'mtalking about, zach.
It's very creepy, it's likefleshy, pinky tones, it's's like
(11:23):
all fours, its body is U-shapedbut its head is protruding out.
Is that a good description ofwhat I'm trying to?
Yeah, do you know what pictureI'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I know exactly the picture you're talking about.
It's like very back rooms.
Ask, I would say Google it.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well.
So I don't know if that's verylike a new age, like now
representation of it.
I would say, if you're goingmore with the Navajo, it's more
of just like presents itself asan animal.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay.
So the Navajo speaks of twopaths of a practitioner may walk
, One of healing and one of noharm.
Those who learn to usespiritual forces for the good of
others become medicine men,using their knowledge to heal,
protect and guide their people.
But there are others who turntoward darkness.
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These are witches, followers ofthe witchery way.
They are said to work withdeath itself, using human
remains to craft tools of harmbones shaped into instruments,
flesh and blood brewed intopotions meant to curse, wound or
even kill In certain tales.
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Witches were not always evil.
They once walked the path ofhealers and spiritual guides,
using their gifts to aid others.
But somewhere along the waythey turned from the light and
embraced the shadows.
To become a skinwalker, Onemust undergo a secret and
(12:55):
forbidden rite, hidden from theeyes of the world.
It is said that to gain thedark power of transformation,
the ability to take the form ofthe beast, a witch, must commit
the ultimate betrayal thekilling of a close blood
relative, often a sibling.
Okay, what the fuck?
(13:16):
What?
Give me your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I hate these things and I actually, I like, I think
these are more real than uh, notmore real, more prevalent than
what we talked about last week.
I also, I think I've possiblyexperienced one.
Well, so did I?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We'll talk about that at the end.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
These ones make me a little bit more uncomfortable,
which is for the OK.
My brain is still going on somethings.
I want to hold my comments for,though, so you keep going.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
All right, some things I want to hold my
comments for, though.
So you keep going.
All right.
Skinwalkers are most often seenin the forms of wolves, foxes,
coyotes, cougars, dogs or bears,so again, think of the creature
that walks on all fours.
But their power allows them totake the shape of nearly any
creature.
They choose their form withpurpose, which is so creepy to
(14:04):
me, so selecting for speed,stealth, strength or sharp claws
and teeth.
If chased or cornered, they canshift again, slipping away as
another beast, which is so cool.
It's very cool to me Because Iwish I could just.
But their gifts don't reallyend with transformation.
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A flush pedestrian can paralyzea victim with a single gaze,
bending their own will to itsown.
It's said they can readthoughts, spread illness, bring
death and ruin homes with darkmagic.
They commend the night'screatures owls, wolves and worse
of magic.
(14:48):
They commend the night'screatures, owls, wolves and
worse, and some say they cansummon the dead or even rise
them from their graves.
Oh, that's horrible so it'sweird because I think that to me
, before I was kind ofresearching these two uh, I
guess, if we will, I kind ofthought that the flesh
pedestrian was more commonlyknown, but it's actually not.
(15:11):
It's the Wendy boy is morecommonly known from people.
But I think now some of likethe paranormal researchers,
investigators that you and Iknow of, they've been going to a
lot of places that have moreflesh pedestrian sightings or
things.
So that's, I think, why Ithought it was more prominent I
(15:32):
think there's.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
There's two things that have helped it.
I think one is in the last, Iwould say, decade we've had a
huge resurgence of appalachianlore becoming way more prevalent
in the paranormal society andregular society as well, right
like a lot more of those storiescoming out being told, and
these are very common out there.
I also think we have tv showslike well, like Skinwalker Ranch
(15:58):
exactly, which has nothing todo with it, but it has put them
from being something more nativeand cultural to being more in
the spotlight.
So I think they've kind of beenhaving their moment, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Flesh pedestrians are feared for their potential to
bring sickness, death andmisfortune to those they target.
Like I said before, becausethey present mostly as animals,
it's hard to detect.
Yet some say there are signs towatch for Strange behaviors in
animals that just don't seemright, creatures that move with
(16:37):
an eerie purpose, stare withglowing eyes or behave in ways
so unnatural Even in human form.
Flesh pedestrians are said tomove in twisted, unnatural ways,
their motions wrong in a way,their eye contact like just
quite.
You can't really explain it,but it's just like everything
about them is just like notright.
(16:58):
Their presence is often feltbefore it's seen, bringing with
it a heavy dread andoverwhelming sense that
something nearby is deeply,dangerously wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
See, this makes me think they're not that different
from the not deer?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No, they're not, and I know we did kind of like touch
on that, like the not deer,whether the not deer are just a
flesh pedestrian and they're notjust an own thing of itself,
would make a lot of sense.
So I guess, what are yourfeelings?
So I'm going to let you takethe stage and I'm going to let
you do your little bit of apresent presentation because,
I'm going to be honest, thereisn't much more about flesh
(17:38):
pedestrians than what we kind ofjust went over.
So this is a great time for youto kind of go into whatever
you'd like to, before I I kindof teased it last week but here
here is.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Here's why I asked you.
So last week I asked you if youfound anything in your research
of the um like draining ofpeople's energy right, because I
have heard that about wendigos,but I've also heard that about
flesh pedestrians, which youalso just stated.
It makes people sick, it makesthem worn down, this and that.
So there's also a couple ofthings that you've mentioned
across both episodes which arevery similar.
(18:13):
Yeah Right, so don't look atthe Wendy boy, right, it'll lure
you outside.
But this one, if you see it, itkind of has that same psychic
control.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I can't remember.
I'm so sorry in this episode ifyou've mentioned it yet, but
one of the things, at least inthe Appalachian version of the
Flesh Pedestrian, is a highchance of mimicry.
Right, don't go into the woodsif you hear somebody screaming
your name, somebody who soundsfamiliar.
Well, we talked about that withYep, the Wendy boy.
(18:43):
The Wendy boy.
The other thing is the closingof the, the blinds right.
You don't look outside in areaswhere both of these reside, so
there's there's a lot ofsimilarity between the two, and
I think that's why they getmixed up and it's like look at
the.
The animals they take on areare different enough, but if we
(19:08):
add in the not deer of it, right, it's all these like
four-legged creatures.
You're just talking.
You're talking about fleshpedestrians right now flesh
pedestrians to the not deer,right to now the wendy boy.
I'm trying so hard not to saythem some of the representations
of the Wendy boy, while itlooks like they walk in uprights
(19:29):
their front like, even thoughthey're like, mostly bipedal
they have very long long, longfront arms that they can almost
creep along the ground.
With One of the things that'sbeen going through my head as
we've been going through both ofthese episodes, I kind of go
back to when Sam was on the showand he was talking about how
certain things appeardifferently, for how you can
(19:50):
best have it, and so one of mythoughts and I'm not sold on
this right- but just a point forus to jump off on is are these
two or even the three things allthe same type of entity that is
appearing differently fordifferent people?
or do we have something becauseboth of them right both the lore
(20:11):
is is similar it's somebody whohas taken their course off or
their path has gone off thecourse and they've either become
a cannibal or they were goingto be a healer and they went
this wrong way.
Like is this entire phenomenathe embodiment of when somebody
has a choice between good andevil and now their spirit's gone
(20:32):
evil?
And is it that spirit thatlives on that now has the
ability to take on these things?
And, and maybe it looks alittle different.
Maybe I'm not saying they haveto be the same thing, but
there's enough similaritybetween them that I don't always
think we're talking about likethe difference between a turtle,
a deer and a duck right,whether it's like three things
of the same species or genus, Idon't know okay, I just think
(20:55):
it's really interesting to playoff that.
So what are your thoughts now?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
let me uh try to maybe easily easier leely, oh my
God are to do what you'resaying.
To me it's like how so manypeople speak a different
language.
We all speak a differentlanguage, but come to the same
conclusion when we're having aconversation with somebody that
is speaking that same language.
But if you were to, for example, like Arabic, if you were to
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translate a sentence that we sayinto arabic, it doesn't
correlate correctly the contextgets very correct it's like just
it's just not, it's not exactlythe same it reminds me of like
multiple choice.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Two answers could be correct, but pick the one that
seems the most.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
No spitting yeah, so I think that I do agree with you
, right, because we're talkingabout algonquin tribes and
navajo, so separate, yeah, butthey are experiencing some of
the same phenomenon entity, Idon't know what is less.
I don't want to offend anybody,but we're experiencing these
(22:02):
same things, right or not, ornot same, but similar things.
So is it almost like a languagewhere it's because it's like
different, um, wow.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
No, you're, you're literally on the right track.
No, no, you're doing very wellon it.
It's um yeah, a difference inlanguage, or is it a difference
in idea?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, and I'm not necessarily saying it's because
of the language.
I'm just trying to articulatethat to make it something.
So, if we're talking aboutpeople who have two different
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languages.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
it could be totally similar, it could be different,
and you and I aren't educated inlanguage and etymology enough
to know.
But it's just an interestingthought experiment.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And again, like I kind of said at the last episode
, we're not trying to offendanybody and, to be completely
fair, we don't know what we'retalking about.
We can dive into so manyarticles and books and facts and
things like that about thesedifferent tribes and their
cultures and their beliefs andtheir spirituality, but we will
never have the right to know andunderstand it the way that they
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do, because it is just such atrue belief to them and like a
religion and it's justspirituality, is so magical to
the person that believes in it.
So we don't have the right toreally know everything.
But my biggest takeaways fromdoing this research and it's you
know, it sounds very simple,but my biggest takeaways are a
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Wendy boy is brought from likegreed and gluttony right and
basically was pushed to theextreme I don't even know
madness or whatever you know.
Uh, uh, that should have neverbeen and it was brought to the
point where they had to eithereat somebody else like a
cannibal.
Uh, they become a cannibal andthen became that creature.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Your traits have taken you so far off of human
you become a monster.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And then, once you're there, then you can bring other
people into that misery.
So that's that right.
So it's based on cannibalismand the flesh pedestrian is
basically like you were saying,in a nutshell the good and the
evil.
You were a practitioner of evil.
You were a practitioner of good, you were a medicine man.
(24:27):
You were like these high lookedupon people and you got too
full of it and the magic tookover too much, basically, and
then you took the dark route andthen you became this dark
entity.
So again, it's kind of likethat good and evil, but is it
like I don't?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
it is very different when you look at it that way,
because it's I, I think you canlook at that differently, but I
think you can also look at thatsimilarly, like, not not even
just like the right, thepractice of it became evil for
the, the witch, to turn to thepedestrian, the fleshy
pedestrian.
But you can also talk about itas somebody who's giving into
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their like both of them havegiven into some sort of power or
carnal desire, where they'velost their humanity along the
way.
Yeah, um, so like it can bevery different, but it also can
be very similar no, I agree, I,yeah, I agree I don't know
enough about either of them tosay they're the same thing or
different.
I just think it's an interestingdebate to have to say, hey,
these things might not be asdiametrically opposed as they're
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presented to be.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
No, and I agree, and I, and that's really why I
wanted to do the episode,combining them and not combining
, but the differences betweenthe two, because I think that
they are so vastly different butalso very similar, where people
do confuse them or not, maybelike they're just like wait,
which one is that?
Or what does it do?
Again, like what's thecharacteristics, things like
that.
(25:53):
So I agree, it's just likefascinating.
And again, I think it's justlike the difference in the
tribes and the culture.
And it just again, like we saidlast episode or last week,
supernatural is it'll never befully understood, it's always
ever changing or ever um,developing.
Like we can never be experts.
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I don't feel in anything likethis, because we just will never
actually know.
But even in, like the lastepisode, I think it's like lean
into the elders, the ones thatare you know, I guess.
Oh my God, my brain just leftmy body.
I swear to God, my brain leftmy body Lean into the people
(26:35):
that do know what they'retalking about and that are a
part of these types of things,like if you did really need help
, because I think those would bethe only people that you could
ever trust and rely on, if youreally needed anything about
these two.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So let me ask you this, yeah, and feel free to
discount this if you have moreto go on.
But I think we kind of teasedeveryone last week or now I'm
confused if it was last week orjust earlier this episode where
we both feel like we've hadexperiences with them.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That was this episode .
Speaker 1 (27:05):
That was the beginning of this episode.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Do you want to share yours.
I think, probably over a yearago, I have said not the word of
what I saw, but that I had areally crazy experience and I
did not want to talk about it.
I still don't even know if Iwant to talk about it because I
don't know where that thing is,but it was definitely one of
these, not the other, and thereason that I say that is
(27:30):
because it was pretty much thatcreepy, fucking, all fours
U-shaped weird thing that Idescribed.
And if we are saying that thatis a flush pedestrian, that is
fucking what I saw and I've kindof showed zach where it was,
but I was just driving home fromwork.
It was really.
It was like got really late soit was dark out.
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I mean, there are street lights, but it was just like on a
street, but it was kind of likewhere that cemetery is, but not
quite there, and I was at a stopsign and then I was like
turning and I like look in myrear view mirror and it was in
the road, just in the middle ofthe fucking road, and I knew
instantly.
I knew instantly what it was.
(28:12):
I literally just said to myselflike clear your mind.
No fucking way.
Nope, it's not like I knew itwas there.
I wasn't telling myself itwasn't there, but I was telling
myself that I am not going toacknowledge it and give it any
any of my thought, presencebeing whatever.
I just remember like I lookedat it in my side mirror one more
time, cause I'm like am I nuts?
Nope, and then I just lookedforward and I kept driving home
(28:35):
because at that point, wherethat stop sign is, from where my
house is, yeah, you're not far.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You could do it with your eyes closed.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh I could.
So I just like.
I never looked back at any ofmy mirrors, I just kept going
and I just was like, and then Ipulled up my driveway, shut the
door and came right inside and Idon't even think I told you
till a couple of days later,because I did not want to give
it any sort of acknowledgementat all At all, and that's that.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I've had two and they were very close together.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And you think they were flesh.
I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I've always put them in the camp of the flesh pad.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
But I the first story to tell us, and then out, and
then we'll, we'll discuss.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
The first one, I was driving with a really close
friend of mine and I mentionedthem on this podcast, I just
don't know if I should in thisstory.
We were driving up north northmichigan, uh, total dog man
country, which again anotherthing that is very similar to
the story of the flashpedestrians, but in the, the
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culvert of a road, okay, okay,there were eyes that hit the
headlights that glowed like kindof like a deer's wood, right,
okay, like you know how a deer'seyes glow at night, or any
animal, so lilas look crazyright, any animal.
It was about deer height, though, but then it went down a foot
and up a foot from each place,so it was like almost like it
(30:05):
was like hopping up and down fora second.
Oh, as we got closer to it itwent from that you know, three
to four foot, where it's kind ofgoing back and forth, to all of
a sudden human height andbright, glowing and we're we
sped down the road, we're likeout of here.
I don't know what that was.
I'm not sticking around to findout what that was.
Well, we used to camp back inthat same area, and this is one
(30:26):
of those things where, in highschool, you go camping and you
know what we were all doing backin the woods.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah.
We were partying our asses offand there I like how you said it
Like we all know what we'redoing, like we don't need to say
.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then you're mad.
You, you knew what I was doing.
It's been a while since we hada hey denise, hey denise, uh,
mom, mom, mom, um, so no, mommy,she would slap me.
I feel like if I called hermommy she'd slap me I mean she
would just slap you for no, II'm kidding, but other stories,
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so we're all in the woods.
Okay, there was this girl whobecame the butt of the jokes
that evening.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, wait, so this is not the same day.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Not the same day.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Same general area.
Okay, she was kind of like anacquaintance, not a friend.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
She had way too much water in the woods and way too
much water in the woods she wasjust drunk as hell oh, I've
never heard that way too muchwater in the woods I just made
that up off my head.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was trying to be euphemistic, but you didn't pick
it up.
So anyways though, she keptsaying she kept seeing this
creature and we're like, okay,well, it's probably like a deer
or whatever you know, or a dog.
She, I keep seeing a mountainlion.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I keep seeing a mountain lion you're like you're
a drunk dumb bitch pretty much.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean we called her dg all night for drunk girl oh
that's nice.
It wasn't until we all heardher scream in the woods where
we're like, okay, somebody's gotto go get her.
Let.
We all heard her scream in thewoods where we're like, okay,
somebody's got to go get her,let's go Like we took all the
flashlights.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You're all like, oh God.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
We're going and she comes behind us, who had passed
out, and goes what are you guyslooking for?
We're like you.
You and then the mountain lionthat she kept saying she saw
went by us right where we hadheard her specifically scream.
yeah, it was uncomfortable atbest it just walked by, you guys
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like I mean when I say walkedby, like I mean it was like 50
yards off but down by the creek,but it was like straight where
we heard her scream.
Now, all night she kept sayingshe was seeing a mountain lion.
We're like, girl, you're notseeing a mountain lion, whatever
.
Then we believed her.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
We all slept in the cars that night instead of in
the tents, but um so when yousay you believed her at that
moment, did you just believethat like oh yeah, she saw that
mountain lion, or did youbelieve that?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
so all night she kept saying so every time she went
to use the bathroom she keptsaying she was seeing a mountain
lion.
We're like, we've been campingout here for years, we've never
seen one.
Now we know they're in the area, right Right, but for some
reason she kept seeing thisthing where, like we hadn't.
So then we hear her screamlater.
Well, we think she sees itagain.
We go to find her.
She comes up behind us goingwhat are you guys doing, like?
(33:17):
What are you guys doing Like?
We just heard you screaming inthe woods and then we saw that
thing move off.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But what I'm saying is, or what I'm asking is at
that moment were you like oh,fuck something weird's going on?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Or did you just believe that like, oh shit,
there is a mountain lion?
I think it was the first of alloh shit, there is a mountain
lion, because that's what we saw, saw Right.
And we're like everyone getback to camp, we have to take
care of that.
And then it's like when you getback and your, your adrenaline
wears off.
You're like we all went, whywas she behind us?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
like yeah, okay, okay , that's I was wondering in the
moment.
Did you realize that part, orlike?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
there.
There were other times we wereout camping that same spot,
which is very, very I mean we wewere 16, 17.
We were making sure we weregoing where the cops couldn't
find us, yeah, yeah.
So you're deep roads to twotracks, to a single track off
the teacher.
I mean we were 10 miles fromcivilization but you, every once
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in a while you'd hear therandom, just the, these weird
screams and things out there.
It was a very unsettling area,ew, and also not that far from
where I could tell you someother really horrifying native
stories.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
But oh, that's not for today yeah, no, I.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think this is.
This is enough for today onunhorrifying, but I don't know.
I think they're.
It's really interesting in thefact, though, that these all
come from like humans turninginto something.
So another thought that crossedmy mind yeah, right is like
right.
So we have the witch whosuccumbs to this, and we have
the practitioner practitioner,person with carnal desires that
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becomes a witch yes,practitioner who becomes the
witch.
Or we have the person who givesinto their carnal desires of
greed and gluttony, andeverything sort of has both a
human, animal, spirit aspect toit.
The other thing I start tothink of is are these evil
entities that exist on theplanet, whether they're
elemental, demonic, whatever youwant to call it, whatever your
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belief system is, and when theyfind somebody who is susceptible
and going down a dark path, nowthey have a physical form they
can take on.
So they have that spiritualelement, they have that
corporeal element, and maybe thedifferences we're seeing in
them come from the body of whichthey possess.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, because I think that it's like does each of us
have this Wendy boy fleshpedestrian inside of us just
waiting to like be brought?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
forth A little bit different than what I was saying
, like I thought maybe we'd likeshow up to them and say, oh hey
, this is a host, but that'sinteresting too.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Maybe it is something , yeah, and I've thought of it
both ways, because it's like, ifyou're thinking about it in the
sense of like a deeper meaningand a message, those messages
are kind of the same kind oflike we're talking about, right.
So it's either like you'reforced to do the cannibalism
type of thing and then maybekeep possessing're brought to
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have all of these like powersand like this healing, and then
you get too greedy about it andyou turn it to the dark side.
So it's like, are these twothings always deep in us?
That like are just kind offestering like the?
The evil is just deep in thereand it could be brought out, it
could be tempted out by thesetypes of temptations?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I don't know I think we're gonna also can I?
Can I tease something a littlebit?
sure and I I hope I gave youenough information when I was
telling you about this thing.
I'm teasing that it would makesense, but I I think we're gonna
have a really unique discussionin the next couple months.
We're waiting for timelines tomeet up, okay, where we you and
(37:03):
I we've talked about ufos,aliens, cryptids, all these
things right where, and we, youand I have hit on the fact a lot
of recently, like bigfoot andwhat we call aliens might have a
relation, and we're talkingabout how these things might
have relation.
I think we're about to have areally unique conversation about
magic with a k and some otherthings, um, how they're
(37:28):
interrelated, and I think so.
So much of the high strange weexperience on this planet could
be more interrelated with eachother than we originally give it
credit for I do think that youand I have recently leaned into
that theory already.
Which is so funny that thisconversation we're going to have
(37:50):
popped up super randomly at thetime where you and I are going
through this transformation andthought I'm excited, yeah, and
that's all I'll say on that.
Sorry guys, another, we'reteasing a lot this year, but we
are working on some shit.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
My final little question in this part of the
discussion and then let's moveon is after doing this, research
me and then after you hearingsome of this, are you more
afraid of these two things orless afraid than you were before
we started?
I will say I'm actually beforeI answered that maybe afraid is
(38:24):
not the right word, but I'llknow.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I'll answer that, I think.
Before I say that, though, is Ithink you actually gave me a
little bit more clarity on thewendy boys than I had, uh, on
what the differences are.
I think I'm the fleshpedestrians really creep me out
there.
There's just something sounsettling about the whole thing
and thinking I've experiencedit more than once where that
(38:49):
truly scares me.
I think maybe the Wendy boy I'ma little less of.
Okay, I can say is, as we'vegone through the journey we have
for the past couple of years,is I have a lot more respect for
them, both the culture theycome from and themselves, than I
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ever would have had had we notgotten into some of this
research.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yes.
So what I would say is that Iam less afraid or bothered by
the subject matter of them.
I still don't want to speaktheir you know true forms or
true names, because I don't wantto call that upon myself, but
I'm less bothered by both ofthem.
I do still think that they'reterrifying things and everyone
(39:36):
experienced one.
That's what, that's not whatI'm saying, but I do think that,
like you just said, the respectof it and really understanding,
like, where it comes from, yeah, and really just being true to
yourself and knowing that I amnot going to partake in these
types of things, I'm going torespect nature, respect these
tribes, respect thesespiritualities, and it's not my
(39:57):
business, and I think that canbe said about, like, whether you
and if you're listening to this, let's be Respect these tribes,
respect these spiritualitiesand it's not my business, and I
think that can be said about,like, whether you and if you're
listening to this, let's behonest you believe in all this
kind of shit.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
But whether you believe in high strain shit or
not, right, anything you see asa threat, the more you can
educate yourself about thethreat, the less power it holds
over you.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Knowledge is power.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
What was the other thing you said?
Wisdom before weapons.
Also, make sure you print outKara's little handy dandy
survival cheat sheet.
I think you know what we saidon the last episode, that we
might put it on Patreon.
I think let's just put it onall the socials.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Everyone deserves some safety.
Well then, moving forward, Ihave a field guide on how to
survive a skinwalker encounter.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Okay, perfect, all Moving forward.
I have a field guide on how tosurvive a skinwalker encounter.
Okay, perfect, all right, Ididn't even mean to segue you
that perfectly, gosh Segu.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know, people really think that the word is
segu.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
So to segue, Honestly , I love you so much but knowing
your pronunciation of things, Iwouldn't be surprised if you
said that one.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That is not me All right, starting over Field guide
, field guide how to survive askinwalker encounter drawn from
legend, shadow and centuries ofcaution.
Number one trust your gut Ifyou feel like something is
watching you or the forestsuddenly goes silent.
Listen to your instincts.
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Skinwalkers often arriveunannounced, but your body will
feel their presence before youreyes ever do.
The air gets heavier, your skinprickles, your stomach knots
when your soul recoils beforeyour senses catch up.
Leave quickly, okay.
Number two never wander aloneat night.
Number two never wander aloneat night.
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Skinwalkers prey on the ice.
I probably shouldn't have criedin the woods.
Them deers were not deers.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It wasn't night, it was.
Oh, was it dark?
Yeah, idiot, idiot.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Idiot Number two never wander alone at night.
They prey on the isolated andunaware.
Always stay in a group,especially near forests, deserts
or reservations, where thesebeings are said to roam.
Don't chase strange sounds.
Don't follow voices callingyour name.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Never Sorry.
That is just like the numberone, and this one.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Zachary needs to get better at Never whistle in the
dark at night.
It's an invitation, mister.
Let me whistle in a hauntedasylum at night.
When did I do that?
You did that at Eloise.
You started whistling in thehallway.
We were walking and I said Iswear to God.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh, yeah, I did, I will kill you.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Number three.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
We were inside.
They can't come in man-madeobjects.
We went over that.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It doesn't matter.
Other spirits and entities aredrawn by it.
It's a known fact.
You don't whistle at night.
They could have just beenstanding outside waiting for us
to leave the building.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I'm trying so hard not to whistle right now.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Number three Watch the animals.
If an animal seems off too,still staring too long, moving
oddly and glowing eyes or inuncanny silence, do not approach
.
Flush pedestrians can take theshape of wolves, foxes, owls,
coyotes, even your beloved pet.
It wears the shape of what youtrust, delilah.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
On that note, I also don't usually believe all those
videos you see on social mediaOoh, I caught a skinwalker, ooh,
I caught this or that.
There's this one.
I know exactly what it is.
The goat no, it's the dog.
The goat at the door is one.
I know which one you're talkingabout, but then there's a dog
that, as it, goes behind a lightpost completely changes and I
(43:43):
have watched that so many timesto see where the cut is or what.
I can't figure it out.
That one, to me, is one of themost horrifying videos.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Have you seen the dog , though?
That's literally at the backdoor like it's waiting to be let
in, but his actual dog is onthe couch next to him.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yes, I feel like I've seen all three of those on the
same cut.
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
All right.
Number four protective measures.
While you can't kill a fleshpedestrian easily, you can keep
it at bay.
Burn sage, cedar and sweetgrasssacred plants known for
spiritual protection.
Use ash circles for temporaryrewards.
Wear blessed tokens or medicinebags made by trusted healers.
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Stay near strong fires.
Flesh pedestrians prefer shadowand silence.
Five avoid speaking the name.
Talking openly about fleshpedestrians, especially at night
fuck our lives.
We're at night is considereddangerous in Navajo culture.
Naming them invites them in.
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The wind listens the darkremembers.
Number six Chilling, I know.
Number six what not to do.
Don't stare into their eyes.
They take control of your mind.
Don't try to fight one alone.
Unless you are protectedspiritually, you're already at
disadvantage.
Don't take souvenirs fromcursed places.
Protected spiritually, you'realready at disadvantage.
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Don't take souvenirs fromcursed places.
Bones, feathers or strangeartifacts may be traps.
Seven when it's too late, ifone has chosen, you tell
somebody who can help a medicineperson, a spiritual guide or an
elder.
Hold your ground but neverengage it in anger.
Speak prayers and burn sacredherbs and, if you can, leave the
area and don't return.
(45:28):
Final words Flesh pedestriansaren't just stories.
They're warnings passed downthrough generations.
Whether you believe or not,respect the tales.
The desert doesn't lie, andneither do the old ones To
survive the night.
Honor the light and neverforget you're not alone out
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there.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
God, again these feel like it's taken straight out of
Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
All right, I do.
I know we're getting close.
I didn't think this was goingto be that long, but we had such
a great discussion.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Sorry, I know I talked around these.
No, it's okay, we love it.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I do have an encounter.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
To wrap us up, and this one is from personal dash,
paloma eight seven zero three.
I am 25, male, I live in Utahand I am curious if any of you
have seen anything like thisbefore.
I'm pretty sure I saw a windyboy or a flesh pedestrian.
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I know it sounds strange orcrazy.
I don't really believe in thosethings and I'm regularly
skeptical when it comes to theparanormal.
What happened to me is when Iwas 17 and in high school and
living with my parents.
My house at the time was in avery small town.
The backyard faced open emptyfields and mountains for miles
before you reached anothercivilization at all.
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My best friend lived next doorand shared this field as our
backyard in a way.
I have to explain that hishouse sat, how his house sat.
He wrote that wrong built on adifferent street that ended in a
field with a small cul-de-sac,I think there was supposed to be
more houses built down hisstreet to be expanded to a town,
(47:08):
but that clearly never happened.
So his driveway was basicallyin the cul-de-sac, even though
no other houses were built there.
This matters later in the story.
I used to stay the night at myfriend's house a lot in high
school because I didn't have thebest relationship with my
parents.
Every once in a while we wouldwake up to hear dragging and
weird gargling sound from theback porch.
(47:29):
His room was a basement roomwith the window well to the back
porch.
It would happen maybe a coupletimes a month, but whenever we
would gather the courage tocheck, nothing would be back
there.
This happened for years.
Ew, gargling is disgusting.
One night haunts my friend andI to this day.
(47:51):
My friend was getting ready tomove and we stayed up all night
playing games and watchingmovies.
We decided to go on a musicdrive just to vibe.
So he hopped in his truck withhigh beams and swung out the
driveway, turning them towardsthe fields to use the roundabout
.
The light illuminated thisthing.
It looked like a person, but itwasn't.
(48:13):
It was naked on all fours,abnormally large, particularly
its limbs.
That seemed to fold underitself in an unnatural way.
Its pale skin clung to it likeit had been scratched on,
stretched onto it.
Sorry, but the part that stillsends shivers down my spine is
its face, its jaw hung open tothis gasping black maw like a
(48:38):
snake unhinging its jaw to eatwhich.
This is way more a flashpedestrian than yeah wendy.
Its black eyes glistened in thelight as it looked at us, but
just as it turned to see us itquickly scurried backwards,
almost like it was on rewind,into the brush of the field.
(48:59):
That is the most disturbingshit on rewind.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
The mental image that comes to mind.
Did you ever see Guillermo delToro's Pan's Labyrinth?
No, the creature at the buffetwith the eyes that looks like
Mitch McConnell sort of, butwith skin hanging.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
My friend and I were pale as ghosts.
We both looked at each otherlike did we just see that too?
Did you just see that too?
We were shaken.
Let's just say we tried to havea good rest of the night, but
we couldn't believe what we saw.
We ended up just sitting therein his basement with guns ready
and waiting to hear the garglingand dragging again, but we
never did.
(49:44):
Sorry, that's not too climactic, but it's the truth.
I now don't live in that townanymore.
There are times when I visitthere, though the empty field
still feels like it's watchingand waiting.
Even though I can't see it, Ican still feel like it's out
there, Alright.
Do you have anything to add tothat story?
Your face is just disgust.
Even though I can't see it, Ican still feel like it's out
there, All right.
Do you have anything to add?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
to that story.
Your face is just disgust.
No, I think that is a perfectstory.
To sum up how terrifying thesethings that we're talking about
are so we're just going torecrap really quickly Recrap.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
From last week.
Recrap.
We're going to just recrap thiscrap, okay, so we're going
gonna give a very quickcomparison, okay, okay.
So wendy boy origin cursed bycannibalism.
Flesh pedestrian is you know,chose evil through ritual.
Uh, the nature basically of thewendy boy monster cursed or
(50:36):
spirit, flesh pedestrian ishuman witch with dark powers.
Form Wendy boy is the gaunt,monstrous like beastly thing.
Flesh pedestrian shifts betweenanimal and human.
Behavior of the Wendy boy feedson flesh, mindless hunger,
flesh pedestrian manipulation,deceives, curses.
(50:58):
And then the symbolism of ourwendy boy is, you know, greed,
starvation, uh, colonial trauma,flesh pedestrian betrayal and
then spiritual corruption okay,I'm not gonna open this up for a
whole nother discussion, I'mjust gonna leave you a few
seconds on this.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Maybe we get them so confused sometimes because if
the deceit and uh, manipulationand everything is so much of the
flesh pedestrian, I wonder ifsometimes they front as the
other.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Oh well, I do have.
I can print this littlecomparison too, so that you can
like have it we need thecomparisons, we need the
survival guides.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Everyone, keep this with you.
We're going to slowly,throughout these episodes, start
to build you what a cryptidsurvival kit that we teased
years ago we could, and it couldkind of be like our grimoire of
every like there we go oh mygod what if we came up?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
with an oddity shop like grimoire and like uh guides
and like safety things okay,you know what?
Speaker 1 (51:57):
that's our call to action on this episode.
If you have stories, we'll takethem, but our biggest thing you
could do from us is let us knowif you would be interested in
like the Oddity Shop survivalguide grimoire.
Oh yes, I love that idea.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
This would be so fun.
It's going to take a lot ofwork, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Once we finish the 15 other projects and surprises
that we have going, we couldstart on that one.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Okay, if you guys would actually want that, then
let us know, because otherwiseI'm not going to waste my time.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
I'll make it for you and I, but I'm not going to make
it good, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
All right, so I will leave us with an incantation to
hopefully cleanse us from lastweek this week craziness.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
I'm going to go be completely honest.
This week, craziness Perfect.
I'm going to go be completelyhonest.
I couldn't find an incantationthat would like make like I
couldn't find one for both ofthese things, so chat
collectively with everythingthat I research.
I put all my research in andthen it just made magic straight
from chat.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
GPT here we go.
I was so against them takingover the world, but you know it
is what it is.
Lean inT here we go.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I was so against them taking over the world, but you
know it is what it is Lean inbaby.
Here we go, spirits of the land,hear me now.
I stand beneath the sky, feetin the soil, with smoke of cedar
, sage and pine.
I call to the ancestors, thosewho walk in light.
Wendigo of hunger, pass me by.
(53:19):
Skinwalker of shadow, beunbound.
The space is sealed with breathof flame, with truth in heart
and no fear in name.
You hold no power wherestrength is born.
You cannot hide where vision issworn by the howl of the wolf,
by the cry of the crow, byfire's edge and moonlight's glow
(53:40):
.
Be gone, be gone and trouble nomore.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
the circle is strong, this spirit is whole okay,
first of all, that was amazingsecond I don't care if it just
partly came from chat gpt,because you and I both know that
the biggest power of magic isnot the words you're saying, but
the, the intention behind it.
So I'm sorry that we havementioned both these things by
(54:04):
name so many times but at leastyou have a little protection
incantation.
So I would say, rewind that,turn your speakers either
outside of your headphones orall the way up and play it one
more time, just to protectyourself, because we don't need
any shit on our hands.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
No, and you should redo it, because when you redo
it, pause before, take a deepbreath, really put your
intentions into it like you'rereally believing it, let it
replay and it'll be a perfectlysmooth, a great incantation for
everybody.
First of, all great job, dudemaybe I'll record it again once,
just to just send everybody.
(54:39):
Okay, well, thank you guys fortuning in for the second episode
of this.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Two weeks of utter horror.
Yeah, horror.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Terrifyingness.
I'm going to keep it short.
Oh, what should this emoji be?
Hmm, well, I guess you could do.
Let's just do like a wolf, abear, like an animal, because it
shifts okay, um, we love you somuch.
Thank you so much for beinghere through all of this
horrifyingness.
Uh, yeah, that's really all Ihave for you, aside from creepy
(55:13):
real yad balls goodbye, I hope,with the dogman.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Cut the elevation, closed in the shadows.
Cut the elevation.
Outro Music.
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