June 19, 2023 • 49 mins
Ever bitten your nails while trying to navigate the world of NFTs and crypto? Join Craig and Ed, as we share hilarious stories about our bad habits and our dive into the crypto space. We discuss how Bro Summer inspires us and the importance of family in our lives. Plus, we'll explore the world of personal branding and its connection to family content – trust us, you won't want to miss this!
We also reminisce about the emotional power of movies, the contrast of joy and sadness, and the strength of our parents’ generation. Discover how pursuing our own goals might differ from our parents' expectations and how we can create our own family legacy.
Finally, we discuss video game recommendations, perfect for both young and old gamers. From Nintendo Switch games like Zelda and Mario, to the immersive world of Hogwarts Legacy, we cover it all. We even share our favorite gaming and drinking preferences, as well as some wild fraternity blackout stories. Don't miss this heartwarming, thought-provoking, and entertaining conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of
odds and ends and friends orrelated podcast.
And I really thought itcouldn't get any better than
having snowfro on right Thedream, the dream guest.
And then something happened.
I was texting with my bro, hemeEd, and the joy I got from our
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conversation and then knowing wewere going to have a recording
together, reminded me that,while that snowfro episode
jazzed me up, i was excitedGreat episode.
What I was missing, what I wasmissing in my life, is this We
were talking before we startedrecording.
I like we get to talk onDiscord a lot daily and I love
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that, but I hadn't gotten tospeak with you in a bit, in a
little bit, and it's already.
The vibes are already tingling.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
There are happening.
I'm embarrassed about my nailbiting.
I can just stop biting my nails, Craig.
It's bad.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, hey, your honesty, your transparency, our
bad habits are out there foreveryone.
My turbo degening we knowThat's hilarious twist.
It's a cycle.
I think my favorite thing wasthat, because we met after my
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first two cycles of that werefinished, you didn't know that.
I have it in me and it will goaway again.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's almost gone, it's almost gone, yeah, almost
almost Not quite.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
There's alpha coming next week, but it went down.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I'll give you a shout out to the people who have been
doing it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
They've been doing it .
How bent coins are doing it?
How about this?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What about bends?
Do you still do it?
I'm out of most of them.
Yeah, i told them.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
now I did So.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
now I got suckered back into some NFTs and I did
one good flip and two bad ones.
I can't right now.
Things are too precarious rightnow for me to be.
NFTs are just the most extremeof the rest.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
The markets are dog shit, yeah, yeah No.
I just can't.
So let's talk about that for asecond, because this episode
that I meander too long in theintro and I apologize to the
listeners.
I'm just excited because nowyou're going to talk video games
, i'm going to talk Zelda, we'regoing to talk Diablo, but we
would be remiss.
We are going to do that.
We would just be remiss if wedidn't do a little catch up and
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Craig, because That's the onlything they care about, probably.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
They don't hear about video games.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Oh, that's cool, they play video games They might
Yeah, but the space is hurtlingtoward, like earth to make a big
old crater of zero.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
People are worried out there.
People are worried, and theyshould be.
But here's the thing I'm not.
No, but not from the financialperspective.
My bags are absolutely going tocontinue going down.
Okay, yeah, like, not financialadvice.
These things are going down.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
They're all going down.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
If you don't have a ringer, a Fidenza or Even though
it's good.
An auto glyph.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I saw it on Friday.
Yeah, but who do they sell?
to the one dude who, like, hasprobably themselves to, to the
punk guy who like, who?
Yeah, i mean like that's topeople who buy NFTs.
You know what I mean.
So it's like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
When I read Here's what's.
Here's what I love about this.
When I read crypto beans and wetalked through the years and
you're, you've been in the spaceso damn long.
There are crypto billionairesand crypto nine figure airs.
Yeah, they don't care becausethey got in so fucking early.
Yeah, that, they have enoughfor their life.
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They were living fine and itdoesn't hurt them to move a
thousand ETH here.
Oh yeah, isn't that true?
And you know?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
it's exactly That's exactly what I'm.
I don't think he's at thatlevel.
I could be wrong, i don't knowthe guy or anything like that,
but but it's that like level ofYou know, like he's.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He's Our collector whale.
I watched a crypto whale pokerplayer lose him a million point
five and in one hand, and reallybe indifferent.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's all relative man , it's all you.
You know how this, becauseyou've made games and you
probably been and all of asudden the amount of money that
was a large amount of moneybecomes just normal.
You know, like the amount ofmoney that.
I do that we all play with now.
You know, just years ago waslike I was.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
No, i love that you said that because I noticed that
some like cash game, pokernights Weren't even fun.
the same way because I didn'tcare I played every hand I lost
700 bucks.
It doesn't feel right.
I stopped sports betting.
It's not because the joy factor, because NFTs.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I made too much on a few Yes, and I was like You have
to play the Vegas lines andshit and that's like there's way
too much.
And then you're like you'rebetting money.
No, but I still like watchingsports.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's fun to put money on there.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But like Exactly, but I'm not doing it to gain.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You're not going to make money or like no, i did it
for entertainment.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah Yeah, complete entertainment.
We see so fucking eye to eye onthat.
And the best thing in myopinion and I talked about this
on the spaces with Ben, on thespaces with frozen, two awesome
related members plug.
I'll put a plug in there.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
To bum, do that, but family being a dude, don't fuck.
Surely temple bar did.
that was what I was for asecond.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Sidebar.
Yeah, bro, summer is inspiring.
Thanks, ben Stuff, i love.
No, no, no, no.
This is real though.
This is real, ed.
What you are doing, while notNFT relevant, is the best
fucking thing, because morepeople should know a that
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regular dads with lives are inthis space.
Regular people, guys and girls,i mean, there's moms to Oh yeah
, i love you.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You don't hear about them.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I mean, we are real people enjoying a similar thing,
ben told me it doesn't like me.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're like a dad's to grandma.
Yeah, that's true.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
He's so fucking right And your content is so good,
but not for NFT land, because wenow know it really was a bunch
of like 17 to 22 year olds thatwere primarily like creating,
creating negative energy.
Yeah And anyway, bro, summer isaspirational.
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Your kid is older than mine,but I'm having inklings of it.
We put Jacob in soccer for thefirst week.
Blossom That's right Thepicture was great, dude, yes,
dude.
And then we went to the poolafter I was like I was feeling
such a fucking family high.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, family high.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So then, when you're doing it, i'm loving it.
Thanks, man.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I love to see your stuff Like you need to put some
more family stuff up on there.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I love to see people.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I've always been a big I, just that's what I enjoy.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You're getting me close, dude, you're getting me
close, i got.
I always like my wife and Italked about this.
I'm glad we're talking aboutthis.
Even We talked about this.
You were wearing up pictures ofyour kid up or something like
that.
It wasn't a worry.
It was that a lot of I wasn't.
We do it.
We have some.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
If you come over the house, he's everywhere, it's not
like that, but it's differentto be putting it on here.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Social media because my account, I've used my Twitter
.
I'm very transparent about this.
I don't have like visions ofbeing Twitter relevant or
earning revenue that way.
That's not what I do.
I like to explore, like an NFTcontest, shit tweeting tweeting
about sports, tweeting aboutvideo games, Cold DMing people
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to see if I can get business outof it.
All of it has worked, by theway.
I just like doing it.
I like iterating.
I'm not gonna do like the builda brand of Craig.
I'm passionate about Clare,passionate about related.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So put pictures of your family on the internet.
And here's why.
Because what did I?
even?
if you go back and you look atone of the newsletters I wrote
when I first started gettinginto Kill Bears, one of the big
things that stood out to me wasthe picture Ben with all his
little kids, and he's talkingabout it today.
Same thing with the release ofthe Cubs right, the real person,
all the kids are due.
Not even real person, but yes,but like, it's his kid, he's
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doing it with his kids and youlook at like Coleman and stuff,
and you know he's over therewith his kids and everyone stays
with their kids doing the.
That's what it's about, dudeAnd like.
And when I saw I think you'reright.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And when you see that , i think you're right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But from a business perspective, I see people and
it's maybe, it's No, no, you'reabsolutely right.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I look, I trust you more.
No, they connect.
I trust you more.
You look like a real person Andtrust in your business is
everything.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And I'm like this guy's probably not gonna screw
me.
You know what I mean.
Like this dude, would youadvertise your family, and you
know what I mean.
I don't mean that in any like,but like for real, like if
you're just gonna be a scammer.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
you're not posing pictures of your little kids, It
establishes a sense of reality.
You know what I mean, yeah, Andthe space doesn't afford for
that.
But I'm with you.
I'm with you, i love it.
I would be like, oh, that'swhere.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Craig's money goes All right, You know what I mean.
Like that's cool, I'm seriousdude.
Oh.
So like those kids are having agood, like that.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
People understand why .
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh, i like where you're going with that though
That's what I mean, like I'llgive Craig money.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Create the perspective.
That's true.
Yes, That would help even a 19year old realize oh, I'm
different from that person.
Dude, I might be doing this andliving my life Degen life.
I'm not actually living a Degenlife over here I see the
Degen's.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm a dad and a business guy, Even though the
kids, the kid Degen's that are,like I say, kids, but they're
young and old.
whatever dude, whatever kids,whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Whatever the fuck they are, i'm fucking 38.
They don't have kids.
Yeah, they don't have kids.
It's over, i'm 38.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I can't tell you how many times I see it, or just
people reply.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You're a teacher.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, they go like oh , I can't wait to be a dad.
Or like this is what I'mlooking at, like this is my goal
.
Or like people like the dadcontent, but more than that,
craig as a business person.
Once again, if I'm looking forSEO stuff and I come across
Craig's profile and I see thispicture of Craig out as kids
doing all this shit, i'm likethis dude's, like a freaking
dude, like you know he's notlike a I love you, but it's time
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Ed's inspiring me.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I might You don't even know Like it's just a
regular dude Put an end date tomy Killabare's PFP and do my
favorite picture of me and myboy.
Well, there you go.
That's all it.
That's just That's a verythat's a perfect fit for me,
dude, yes it is, See, because itmeans something to you.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And then, but not only does it mean something Dude
look at my lock screen.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Look at my he's on my he's whipping all day, every
day.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like I love this dude .
Yes, i got.
I like where your head's at.
I like where your head's at.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Okay, so here you go.
You wanted to do it anyway, asyou just told me, and then also
it will.
it's good branding, dude, foryour bit, like it makes you look
trustworthy.
I like that I really didn'tagain.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This is the Ed and Craig vibe.
Though You help me help oneanother, i bring nothing to you
today, nothing Such crap stories.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But you're giving me absolute fucking gold for my
life, right?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
though, Because it is something like how do you feel?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
when you see something Like he's all over the
wall, like when you I agreewith you, No, no no, you're just
making sense of a thing thatwas hard for me to see.
Do you know what I mean?
Like you're really making theobstacle that was in my life
seem insignificant, because itwas.
It was a self-imposed obstacle.
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What are you talking about Of?
like, well, wait a minute,that's what I mean.
I was imposing myself of like.
I don't want my social profileto be that, but if I'm proud of
what's going on in my life,there are ways to weave that in.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's a whole different thing.
Yeah, like I know some peopleare like I'm gonna put a picture
of my kid on the internet.
Fine, whatever, That's cool, Dothat, okay.
But like if you I will find outhow my wife feels about that,
Yeah yeah, i saw someone likeone of these other big accounts
I follow, like you know peoplehaving kids and they're posting
pictures of the kids and stuff.
This was like a year or two agoAnd I think someone wrote like
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a DM to them and was like Iwouldn't post a picture of my
kid.
There were a bunch of likeweird creepy people And he
basically like took that tweet,quote, tweeted it and was like
if this is like the first thingyou think, like just don't even
fucking follow me.
Like you know what I mean.
Like I'm not.
This is like this is fuckinglife.
I'm just having a picture of mydamn kid.
I'm not trying.
You know what I mean.
Like people can do all sorts ofweird shit, no matter where,
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wherever, whatever you do.
Like people could be out in thestreets.
That is true.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You can really take a picture whatever dude.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Like, you can choose to live like that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I like the logic.
You know what I mean, though Ilike the logic.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I don't know.
I'm not like precious about thestuff.
It's like I love my family andthat's it, and if you were
walking down the street youcould also take a picture of my
family.
you know what I mean, causeit's a public street.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's fucking happening all the time There are
cameras everywhere, i don'tknow whatever, but I also
understand that people don'twant to do it, whatever I'm
saying.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, we're not saying we're not saying we shit on that
.
We're saying that, like I lovethat my niece and nephew, my
sister, did a lot of Facebookposting, cause it's literally
the way I can keep up withwhat's going on.
Like I do love that, it's thatI didn't even think of it.
Like I don't use Facebook yet,so we do the face, we do the
portholeing and we send videosthrough the family chat.
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But I do think there's going tobe aspects of It's happened
more recently when hetransitioned from just doing
like baby shit.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
To like being a little boy.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And no offense to babies Shout out babies, baby
faces forever, but like they, do.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
They is so what.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I like, i like when they become your little buddy.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Let me tell you why we're having this conversation
is the soccer fucking photo mademe like this.
This is the bro.
I must proliferate this content.
Yeah, i must proliferate thiscontent.
Well, kray, this is the reasonpeople like it, because people
enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I literally like it.
It gets good engagement.
Why?
Just because they say well?
I'm seeing you love your familyReal fucking life.
you know what I mean.
Why would you not love someoneloving their family?
Like that's what it's all about, dude Like I see people having
fun with their family and I'mlike yes dude, and every time
I'm somewhere with a bunch like,even if you go somewhere like,
okay, disneyland, right, likewe're gonna be going to
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Disneyland a month When I gothere, all I think about not all
I think, but like I think in mymind is like everyone in here
loves the shit out of their kidsAnd of course, there are people
who go there.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Whatever, that's cool , but like if you're there with
a kid like you are there becauseyou love the hell of your kid
And you know it's their gout andthe shit and your prices.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You're just doing it because you love your kid And
that's great to be able to bewalking around in And that's why
Disneyland is a great field.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's why we like talking about dad.
Shit though, ed, because wehave very similar way we
approach the prioritization oftime.
Like I won't compromise, whileeven shit's the busiest it's
been, i won't compromise my timewith my boy And even if that
means in 11 am we're going tothe fucking park on a weekday,
like we've done that stuff and Iwant to continue doing that
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stuff because it's not just likedaddy's working.
I don't believe in that.
I believe like, and it's so.
It's like the universevalidates right This
conversation.
Sahil Blooms tweet thread todayabout being a dad.
It all my app because it'sabout to be Father's Day.
Like it's good timing, i get it.
My meditation app, putting up ameditate on being a father for
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15 minutes.
It was the thing I did the lasttwo nights and I'd been
struggling to meditate And Ifell asleep both times in a
beautiful state.
Because it was all, it was a 15minute or that I didn't get to
the end of.
About.
The part I remember the most isyour breathing.
You're just happy to love yourfamily there man.
Yeah, man, because it's likethen the person talks you
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through and think of your armsand holding your son in your
arms.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Meanwhile, craig, i'm like I'm like listen to the
true crime podcast, fall asleeplast night, but like the East
area rapist and stuff.
Dude, sorry, it was just such asuch a strong juxtaposition
there that I had to comment onit And I'm like I'm like, i'm
like terrible nightmares.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
How do you not have a terrible nightmare?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't, i don't even dream or have nightmares, which
is brings me to an exploit.
I'm very excited to get my mybipap machine.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We're real old dads down to do What you start a
reading, though you will sleep.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Everyone, i've read a bunch of about it and people
say like the first two weeks,it's like you better quit those
true crime.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I'm so excited I know .
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know I get back, dude.
I've had sleep paralysis before, at least once or twice, and I
get some nightmares sometimesand like I get scared bro, like
I mean I don't know to peoplestill, it's been a long time.
But like I have, no, i have, ithink I'd have, i can have, i
think I definitely.
I guess in my point is like ifI had a bed I would be scared to
chill it.
I cried tonight in anelementary movie That was.
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That was a good movie, dude, itwas pretty good during movies.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh yeah, the dad things.
Dad, it's the dad thing.
It's like fucking funny.
Nemo, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Iron Giant, what the fuck?
Yeah, dude, i cry a lot of time.
I cried Elemental is good.
You got to take it, boys.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
See, i did because I will, i will, but can I tell you
what made me cry?
Yeah, you just see, the fuckingkid that won American Idol,
that sang with James Blunt.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, i did not.
I did not.
I'll check it out, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
This 18 year old angel voiced Samoan.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Sing so beautifully.
His audition song was Monstersby James Blunt, which I had
never heard.
It's an homage to his dad,where the where the important
line is it's my turn to scarethe monsters away, because the
dad's sick and stuff like that.
Oh, don't get to me.
It hit me in my feels, bro.
But here's what happened.
This is a vulnerable, avulnerable man.
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That's what it's all about.
The first night I saw it I itcoincided with my mom being in
the hospital and all this stuff,and I fucking needed that.
Cry, dude, oh, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Fucking you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You do because you need to.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean, you do Get it out sometime.
Yeah, dude, yeah, ever do thecry.
I haven't had this in a longtime, but there were, i think, i
guess, just times that werejust hard, like just the random
cry.
Bro, you know what I mean?
Yeah, the random cry.
You just got to, dude, rip it,man, let it rip.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
The rest is real.
Business has been booming.
I told you.
I told you good things arehappening, but, like with my mom
getting sick, oh, hell, yeah,it's such a joyful cry.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's such a yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
To your point of the juxtaposition.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Where we were The joy of being with my son and like
the Reality That my mom, that myparents, are sick.
Yeah, is this weird crash thateveryone in our age bracket
deals with?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
at some point I get that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Nice.
So I'm not saying what was me,i'm just sharing that like I
never been here before.
Yeah, but everyone gets here.
It's part of life.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
But I had not felt.
It makes you.
It makes you like, really Makesme more grateful, yes, for what
I got.
Of course It makes me like.
I look at it, like I look atour parents and I'm like, wow,
like how strong to have, justbecause they all get it.
They're all.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If, unless you're your great grandparents or
whatever, everyone's all aliveand stuff Your grandparents.
No, no, no, every all my folksare.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All my grandparents are gone.
It's like seeing my parents, iagree with you.
It shows their strength andtheir resolve, what they're, and
it's like I've even done mybest to mature a bit on that, to
be like, well, they're not justthe simpletons Who don't know
how to use smart technology.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
There's a lot Weird, think about it.
All right, let's not get alldepressed And shit.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, i can't.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No, i love it.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But the dad, the dad, like you, didn't like my old
timey voice.
No, i mean, i didn't mean no tothat, i meant like I'm just
fucking around, dude, dude, thedad stuff gets me And that's why
, in elemental the theme, likethere was two big themes in this
, i'd say, and like one of the,i will cry Yeah, one of the
themes was the idea of, like youknow, wanting to pursue your
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own goal instead of your parentsgoal.
Right, that's, that's a bigtheme and like a very strong
family.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I fucking love that.
I've been talking about thatwith a few of my dad friends
right now, where oldergenerations were.
So about you, do what thefamily did.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Immigrate names came from that right.
Yes, oh doctors, you got to bethis.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
My own mom did it to me by accident.
I love my mom the most, but shedid it, i'll get you man.
Yes, that generation believedin that We have an opportunity
to go.
Like What?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
if you had a family, yeah, like that's a, that's a
big thing.
And then it's like, if it'sgoing to happen to me, ed, yeah,
that's going to happen to me.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It might happen to you with the publishing business
.
Yeah, like you're, you havethings.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I don't give a shit.
He doesn't want to do that.
You know what I mean.
Like me, neither.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
No, that's what I'm saying, that's true.
I will say that other peoplefeel differently.
Yeah, like my, my good friend,jason.
his dad felt differently.
He wanted his son in.
I don't care either way.
I wonder if it's differentbecause we?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
started it, though You know what I mean Like.
If it like, ok, so in the movieI'm not going to give too much
away, but like.
The idea, though, generally, isthat like the fire and burger
people, they were likeimmigrants and they came to the
city and like you know, and theystarted their own shop and and
that's where they want thedaughter to to work.
You know what I mean Like and.
But if they don't, and if they,if she doesn't take it over,
(21:25):
then obviously like she's,that's, it's supposed to be hers
, so that's where everything'skind of geared towards.
But like.
I can understand that more.
I think I mean in terms of like, yeah, wishing your kid would
take it over, because it's yourwhole legacy, and like when
you're not tired.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I guess I don't look at it that way I don't look at
my family life.
I think you and me are the samethis way.
Like I think if I build myfamily life because my business
succeeded, i'm already makinggood financial decisions, that
I'm not a rich guy but I'mmaking the right plays so that
I'm going to be where I want tobe.
So yeah, i don't need theprestige value of it.
(22:02):
Like I would rather if, if atsome point, jacob and Lila
that's David's kid is like no,we want to do these other things
.
My dream would be the claritywould fund your initiatives,
sacrifice the business for thefamily, not the family for the
business.
One billion percent.
But our predecessors didn'talways have that.
(22:24):
Some did, some did.
But I'm stoked that we're goingto be able to make decisions
like that.
Yeah, so, as a gentle, pivotdecisions like what game?
of gaming systems to bring inmy home, which?
I was pivoting to that, it'sNintendo Switch.
I know I'm going to get one.
I know I'm going to get one.
(22:45):
I'm waiting till he's a littleolder disclaimer, because it's
for your son.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, for everybody out there.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's all.
That's why it's a big gamer,though, ed.
No, this is why this is whythis is a cool conversation.
I'm not a big gamer.
This gaming section of thisepisode could, in theory, in the
future, be brought to you byInfinigods.
They may come on the podcast inthe future.
Unintended plug.
Nice, they are building funpuzzle games.
(23:13):
I've played that and there'snow a mobile one coming.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So unintended plug Because I think they're coming
on the episode.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But this video game conversation brought to you by
Infinigods.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Whatever you talk about video games, whoever wants
to?
yeah, please.
Whatever I'm going to say,Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So tell me a little more about why I'm going to need
a switch, and then I'll.
Then I'll pivot to my questionsthat I actually have about
Zelda and Diablo 4.
Fair, so I because the the dadcontext, what we were just
talking about.
It's too beautiful to ignore.
Well, yeah, multiple peoplehave told me this, but you know
the most What age is the rightage to get started with games
(23:50):
And what are, what are thosegames?
And then where does it scale?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So I mean first off, number one, like we just said,
obviously the switch is the move, right, because Nintendo does
such a great job at making gamesthat appeal to everybody.
So, like, even Zelda, like wejust talked about, i mean the
Zelda, zelda, mario, all thesedifferent games are like perfect
examples of games that peoplewho are five love and get
(24:15):
gleeful for And then, likepeople are 35, like are stay up
and play all night, all day.
You know what I mean.
Like, so that Zelda is theperfect example of that And then
so I mean, then you look at youlook at that, and it's like you
can play that with your kid andyou're both loving it instead
of your what it's a slog for you.
I want to know what you meanbecause maybe they're tough,
right, some games are toughwhere you have to, like you have
(24:36):
to just continue reading.
It's very, very, you know, forboth games like an RPG would be
very tough to play for a firsttime, right?
You know what I'm saying.
Like that's not So.
So, yeah, i think Nintendo isdefinitely the move with that in
that regard, because it's justthe most kid friendly stuff in
terms of, like the age, yes, andmy boy seven right now.
I'd say he's probably beenplaying for the three or four
(24:56):
years.
To be honest with you, i feellike four, feels like the game,
the game, honestly, that likethere were a few that really
stood out that he really loved,but like the big one we started
to play together.
They, i just remember takingoff as like the first game we
really played together wasLuigi's Mansion, like three I
think, the most recent, there itwas.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And that I know that game from the before times.
But he loved that game, lovedit.
And then, well, we know this,we know Mario as a concept is a
is a never ending, because lookhow good the movies is.
Exactly Right.
We know, we already knew thatMario's IP, i believe, like
Mario, is second to well, noLego is up there, but I think in
I saw this it goes PokemonMario, sorry, legos below, sorry
(25:41):
.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
No, i didn't mean that.
I mean I'm sorry I wasinterjecting, i'm just getting
too excited.
No, go ahead.
The Mario games, right, marioMario.
I grew up say there's my.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I might say it No, i might say you're right, trust me
.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
But then there's a whole ton of Lego games.
You have all the Marvel Legogames, you have Harry Potter
Lego games, you have Legoundercover like, which is like
GTA five, but it's frigging theHarry Potter ship.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh yeah, oh, she's going to love the Harry Potter
ship.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't know if you know, but there now this is on
PlayStation five or whatever,but there's the Hogwarts.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Are you playing it?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Hogwarts legacy.
Legacy, hogwarts legacy.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, eddie and Iwere playing it.
Eddie, we played that too.
Is it sick, dude?
It's super sick, it's supersick.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's no.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, she kind of wants it.
She would love it, love it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's PS five exclusive, right?
I think so.
Yeah, so there's PS five foryou.
I'll tell you one thing, thoughIf you go for PS five, there's
this There's a lot of greatgames on PS five.
We, we, we have them allbecause I love them.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So where do I find the time to do this, though,
without feeling help me getthrough?
I'm asking you as a friendagain, just like you helped me
with my PFP, yeah, just like myaunt is helping me with my
meditation that I struggle with.
I struggle to prioritize whatwould technically be me time I
(27:02):
threw through a facade.
I do enjoy the work.
I'm not watching shows as muchanymore, like I don't play games
.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I used to like really I play at the.
I play deep.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Now I need to play with someone.
Well, let me OK Diablo.
See, I don't even understandDiablo.
It's a communal game.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh yeah, i'm in the common clan, i'm in the Anata
clan.
You know, the Anata, anata.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
No, no, explain this to me a second.
Explain this to me, OK.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I did not understand that.
I apologize on that.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Much of a new Diablo I played was single player back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I can Diablo one No Diablo one was multiplayer dude.
They were all multiplayer.
They had a campaign?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I think they had a campaign.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yes, Yeah, you can.
You can always play by yourself, but you also could party up
with people because you couldset that's.
That was a big part of.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Diablo, i was telling you, i didn't know that I'm
that dense, i didn't know thattrading has played a counter
strike back in the day Oh, dudetrading.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I used to trade Diablo stuff for real money in
my school and stuff like that.
Like we would trade Diabloitems like oh, like it was this.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
NFTs.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's.
I think about it like yourDiablo sword.
We would get like a or like arare, you know armor or
something like that, and myfriend and I remember I was like
I'll give it to you for 20bucks, dude, and he's like done,
and you know so like dude, fuck, yeah, dude.
That's the big big straw aboutit.
Is like killing monsters withyour friends, but then, like you
(28:20):
, farm in blue, you're gettinggood drops and then you get to
go trade in with other people.
That's the fun part is thesocial aspect.
There's websites.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
There's whole websites.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You can log in and look for what you're looking for
And then you'll find like youcan DM the person stuff and
you're trading And yeah, it'svery social.
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So what did Diablo four do better than where three
was?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
How big is this game?
Maybe I don't even understandhow big this game is.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Craig, this game is so big that it's in the movie
theaters.
But on the previews before themovies play it's on the like
series XM radio.
I'm hearing it when I'm like inthe fricking showers.
I need to Google that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
It just made six hundred and sixty six million
over the over since launch orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's so many millions .
I mentioned it because you know, diablo six, six, six, stuff
and whatever, craig, this isgame, it's got to be the biggest
game right now.
I can't.
Even Diablo three was a fumble,hard, hard fumble.
That's why, why do we know that?
And that's why four was such abig.
Ok, so like Diablo one isunforgettable, legendary
masterpiece, like there's not.
(29:21):
You know, that was the game youprobably played And it was just
like dark and gritty and likefrigging awesome.
But the music in town was likeiconic.
Diablo two came along and it wasjust fantastic.
It really it that Diablo two isreally cemented Diablo,
probably because that's whereyou started to farm items, like
trying to get you just killbosses, trying to get good loot,
(29:44):
trying to, and then you weretrading with people.
There was like I forget thename like D2 something.
There was like a tradingwebsite that was huge.
Ok, it was still kind of a Imean, it wasn't like gritty, but
it was still kind of a darkgame.
You know, i still had thoseelements.
Diablo three came along andfirst off, when it came out,
there's a few bunch of a bunchof things.
One boom, totally broken down,broken right off the bat, like
(30:08):
the game.
You couldn't even, couldn'teven progress because it was
like you were getting like oneshot from everything.
There were blue items whichwere like uncommon, which were
like better than like the mostlegendary thing.
It was just totally jacked dude.
And so you had this right atthe bat, right, and then they
kept trying to patch it andwe're not fixing it.
Then they also had theyintroduced the real money
(30:29):
auction house which threweverything off to where people
you could literally sell on.
You, you could link your PayPalaccount and you could do what I
was saying you could do, but itwas through the actual game
itself and you could literallysell items.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So they controlled right, but they controlled the
marketplace.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I think they got a bit of a cutter and you can pull
you, but you could basicallysell.
But you did too, craig, likeyou literally got paid to sell
the cards.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
When was that?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
When was that 2013.
I think it was 2013.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So that's why you're saying NFTs, but they were not
using the blockchain, they werejust doing it like a normal
transaction.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Diablo two came out in 2008 grade.
Diablo two, we were doingthat's when I was selling it to
my friends for money still.
But it was just like, hey, giveme the money in real life, and
then I know you, but I'm justgoing to trade it to you, you
know.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So are you, are you able to build shit in four and
like sell it.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, so four, okay So three was jacked up for that
And it was also kind of cartoony, kind of campy kind of it
wasn't.
Oh, they changed the slide.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It wasn't this, yeah, boom.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Go back to number four dark gritty, again, more
open.
Okay, they basically solvedeverything.
Four is amazing, dude.
Like four, they also introducedlike things where you can, you
know, you can basically burnthings to increase your
equipment and like they'veintroduced like a more economic
economy stuff and ways to getrid of things.
And like dude, it's awesome,it's just a fun game.
(31:47):
And, like son loves it, he'sobsessed with it, he plays it on
PlayStation five and And whatdo you do?
Do you quest?
You can quest.
There's a main storyline, butonce you beat the main storyline
, if you want, you could.
So there's a couple of things.
What are they?
Once you beat the mainstoryline, you can.
You can, i guess, like, fromthat point forward, if you start
(32:07):
a new character, you can skipit, okay.
And then there's this there'slike mini quests almost, where
you complete a bunch of theseguys.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Open world will always be mini quests, will
there?
always be things like thecompany Yes is it like ready
player one ish where they alwaysdrop something in for people to
engage with.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
There's always something going on.
There's even world events andstuff like that.
Yeah, we're like where you haveto link up with other people to
fight bosses and stuff likethat, like so I Remember I do
dude, listen to this.
This is funny.
So I play hardcore right, whichis, if I die, my whole
character.
Oh, okay, i play the man'sWacer where you literally die.
(32:45):
Wait a second your character isdeleted and all those items are
gone.
You can start your entirecharacter over.
Everything's gone.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I got into you get to this psycho level of risk when.
I was most risk.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
When I started playing path of exile and, and I
don't know, probably double tobalance with you, i think you
had hardcore.
I think so.
Well, yeah, i think so.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
How many?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
people play hardcore.
Not a lot.
I just beat the game onhardcore I would say like a week
ago or something that now.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What that was a big game without dying, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh yeah, and then I've since died.
How do you do that?
But I Just, you just gotta becareful, i don't know you just
kind of.
But well, here's the thing,here's the funny thing.
So I, so I, i lost thatcharacter on, for you die
eventually.
I mean, that's just the way itgoes.
But I started a new characterand I was like up to level 30
again.
It was taking me like days andI I Got it to this world boss,
(33:38):
this huge like dragon thing orwhatever right, and I pull up
there and it says like theevents will start in like three
minutes or something like that,or or a minute, i don't even
remember.
But basically someone was likewait, oh, it was okay, let me
sorry, i remember this.
Now I get up there, yeah, likeit was like 20 seconds to go
before the event starts, right,and people are chatting and
local, everyone's kind ofcrowned around and someone's
(33:58):
like what?
like you know, hey, is this?
blah, blah, blah.
Someone's like oh, you neverdid it before.
And they were like remember,this is all hardcore, so this is
all bunch of our court people.
And the guys like no, i neverdid it.
He goes.
Well, it's like do you have any.
He's like this is your firsttime.
He's like yeah.
He's like, well, do you haveany like escape potions or like
life potions that'll allow youto like avoid death one time For
like 15 minutes or something,and it's a cool down or
(34:20):
something like that, you know.
And he's like no.
He's like oh well, then, thisis your last time, dude.
And then the fight started andhe was not fucking around, bro.
I was like I got hit and ittook like 98% of my life down
and I was like, oh No, and I did.
Your life flashes before youreyes, bro, so I can spam open my
(34:42):
inventory.
I had, i had like one scroll ofescape, dude.
I hit it, just got the fuck outof there.
I got that guy died.
I guarantee it, dude.
I Got hit one time, bro, and itwas like 98 plus like oh Yeah,
that's hard, that's so sick.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So the hardcore mode lets you feel the rush of life.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yes, lost yeah Is like Craig, i have to.
I can't recommend this enoughand I'm sorry to interrupt you,
but I have to share it becauseno, do it, brother.
This is playing this game onhardcore for the first time
without Looking up any of thevideos or any bosses or was
insane and insanely fun.
Like you are shitting yourpants on every fight because,
(35:25):
like dude, there were somebosses that took me 10 minutes.
Okay, do you remember Craig the, the butcher from Diablo one?
Okay, the butcher?
No, i don't, i have very badmemory of this kind Other than
Diablo itself, the namesake,probably the most well-known
boss, and all that is is thebutcher.
Because in Diablo one it wasthe first boss you ran into.
(35:47):
Like you were in the town andthey were like Yo shit's fucked
up at the church or themonastery or whatever it is
right, and you were the crew, idon't remember.
But you go into it And then youyou walk across and you're like
walking this dungeon, peoplelike fucking on meat, hooks and
stuff, and then like all of asudden there's you have to open
doors, like you have to click onthem and open, or all of a
sudden the door slams open byitself And then you hear, oh,
(36:08):
fresh meat, and a freaking bigdude runs out of the cleaver,
dude trying to get you.
So that was in Diablo one andhe's been in like each one, in a
way all of them.
So, dude, alright, i'm playingand I and I'm my first character
, like the game It just came outand I'm already like level 10
or 15 or and I'm in like thisdungeon of for the new one, new
one.
I'm in this dungeon like bymyself, dude, and all and all of
(36:30):
a sudden, what do you know,dude, the butcher comes out of
no, he's a random spawn.
They put him in there incertain dungeons And he just
starts like he's not a They're.
You know, monsters havedifferent kind of abilities that
you do.
They fight different ways, sure?
He just bum, rushes you dudeand just keeps like I had to run
, you can't, i couldn't tankthem, i couldn't face tank up,
(36:50):
so I was just running all theway.
Like took me like five minutesto run all the way back through
this freaking Thing.
He was him chasing me because Icouldn't tell pork, because
every time I tried He'd hit meand now and my life, and then
you would interrupt it, you know, and so like dude, yeah, anyway
, i know I just ran for a longtime, but the game.
I love that dude, it's so muchfun.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
So you've been a fan, though, of the franchise from
the beginning.
Yeah, and it's a successfulfranchise, even with its dip on
three.
Yes, you are dead correct.
It seems to be over almost 700million in sales.
It's only been out for twoweeks.
I think, that would besuccessful in the movie industry
.
It's successful in the game.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Oh, it technically launched on one week, sixth
right technique.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So it'll, it'll.
It'll very likely grow Fromthere.
Now I I heard it's blizzards.
You said this too.
I think it's blizzards mostsuccessful launch Of all time,
and they're and they're a bigcompany.
Aren't they the ones that didWorld Warcraft?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, Oh yeah, i've been, so they're just, i've
loved them since this is man.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, this is macro bullish, though.
Right, this is like Nvidiabullish, not financial advice,
right We?
need like people.
People loving the map Yes,people loving video games is
good and fell like to.
It's just shows you.
That's where I'm going withthis Good car, where yes, if you
make something and this is yougiving me the context that
(38:13):
Diablo 3 was even a pullback.
It's even more exciting thatthey're back strong because the
movie industry showed I'm justgiving a bigger picture like
we're back.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
But you were back.
Yeah, culture, we're back inculture.
I just said it to my wife today.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I swear to God, craig , literally two hours ago I told
her water made as much as itdid.
I was so happy, i just.
I think I've seen every twoseven.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I've seen every movie in theaters, craig, so with you
, see the bro soma, right,you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It's not even about that.
How far away is the localtheater for you?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
There's two of them, ones three minutes away, already
across three and one is like 20minutes away.
I usually go to the 20 minutewavelength because they have
nicer seats.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Oh it's better.
Yeah, yeah, better seats, youdo that.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well, you gotta do that.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Is it popcorn every time, though I don't need for me
, i'm addicted my boy?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Oh fuck my boy.
Does I a?
I ate a.
Mmm, if I'm gonna eat anything,i'll probably get like a soft
pretzel maybe, but like I I'm soweak 80 does popcorn.
My mom blows popcorn and Sierrathose popcorn, i can't do
popcorn, we're gonna why.
Craig, my stepmom boughtjellybilly Jelly beans off of
(39:18):
QVC when I was child and I atelike the whole box because it
was so novel And it was likejalapeno flavored and root beer
flavored and black liquoradition Popcorn flavored and I
got I eat that and I threw upand I got so sick That I had to
call out of school the next day.
And the only flavor thatlingers in my mind and memory.
(39:41):
So It's like a bad liquor, likeyou always remember, the one
liquor that really took you out.
You can't drink it like smearit off black, like raspberry.
I can't raspberry flavoredstuff.
Dude, i make me feel sick.
I drank something the other daythat was that flavor and I
almost I was like This is themost horrendous thing on our
(40:01):
experience.
What's your drink?
There's gotta be a drink.
Yeah, you can drink.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So here's what's crazy about me I cycled out of
most of them because, like itwas, jose Cuervo is what it was
one.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Is that the one, like , what's the one that made you
like black out, throw up andthen like you could never
recover, jose Jose.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Cuervo, tequila where ?
but I will drink tequila,high-end tequila I'll still
drink, is it's so different?
but Cuervo is so disgusting tome, yeah, that.
I can't even be, i Can't eventake the smell of it.
It just I get the Cuz.
My worst Nights for Jose Cuervotequila dude, i have to.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
okay, man, i bet you one of my friends has this
picture.
okay, i, when I was a Freshmanor a sophomore, my fraternity.
Okay, i'm college.
Sorry, we had in the early days,20 years ago We had a formal
and My buddy tells me he goes.
(41:05):
I saw you walking down to yourdates house, like I had to walk
all the way across campus, youknow what I mean.
So it was freshman year.
Okay, he goes.
I saw you walking to your dateshouse at like noon And he's
like, and I knew you were likegonna be like you were fucking
in trouble, you were done Allright.
So like, so I was, i got tobottle Jose, that's the.
(41:29):
So you know the date, my date,like that's what she likes.
So I picked it up with her Andof course I was like let's go
pretty good.
So I go to her apartment andwe're like drink it.
We're already like totallydestroyed, dude.
And I don't, yeah, i don't.
I remember going to myfraternity house making it,
making it there before the likeformal, right, that's awesome.
(41:50):
And then I remember beingThat's a victory, thank you.
And then I remember being aloneat one.
So there's like flashes, i'mstarting to lose things.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, i remember being alone inone of my fraternity brothers,
in the rooms not my room andthere was a chess board with
shot glasses and I was fillingthem and like playing and
drinking.
And then I remember.
And then the next thing Iremember is waking up on the
(42:13):
couch Full black out of style.
Waking up on the couch in theparty room, main party room, my
fraternity 90 person.
it was like a mansion dude Inthe party room, all dead quiet,
by the way.
So which is like what In afraternity and like I only say
that's a little fucked upEveryone's gone.
I missed the formal, so I fallasleep on the fucking couch here
or whatever.
(42:33):
And anyway, next thing I know Iget pictures the next morning
or whatever.
I kind of collected myselffinally on my way back home.
I don't know, i found out thatI made it back home or whatever,
and I see pictures of me andher just on the lawn, completely
passed out, blacked out in themiddle of the day, on the
volleyball court, just layingthere in suits and dress, just
(42:56):
completely unconscious.
So we were.
Someone said that I, like,while I was in the club room
with like a bottle, and I justdropped a bottle and like it
shattered everyone.
Wah, you know that kind oflevel of it's.
Just you remind me of thistequila stuff, dude.
The picture, though, is me onthe ground, like it's an iconic
(43:17):
of my own life.
She's passed out too.
Both of us, both of us.
I'm like dude, like forcomplete formal attire.
Here's that, please.
In a family neighborhood.
Just behind this.
I'm gonna send you a picture,craig.
I'm gonna send you a picture ofwhere the back of my house is.
You're gonna laugh so hard.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You're in a family neighborhood.
Yeah, it's crashed out of yourmind.
You're gonna love this.
Oh my God, dude, your storiesare the fucking best.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, you know, i mean, like I guess it was, it
was probably kind of a dumbstory to tell so long, but I but
it made me think of it, maybebecause that was my main time.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
It's so good, thank you.
The last thing else in my lifecomes from this podcast but me
getting more of those storiesout of you.
Dude, you're gonna love this.
I will have juice.
For days I haven't laughed thathard in a hot fucking minute,
dude.
Oh, okay, that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I'm sending this to you right now, doing this live,
do you?
Speaker 1 (44:13):
discord or text.
I'm gonna text you on it.
Okay, take a look at thispicture I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh my God Coming in Absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You didn't see it yet It didn't show up.
Yet There we go, crazy bullshit.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I was saying beautiful the way I feel.
Whatever credit, whatevercredit.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
This is like a well off neighborhood brother.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, okay, Do you see that?
The right, that's where it'slike a mansion, That's the
fraternity house, but you seethe volleyball court right there
.
That's where I was, And thenhere it's like, if you take a
look, you can see it's just anice little neighborhood.
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You know that's pretty nice neighborhood, It's
not, it's very nice neighborhood, pretty good, we're passed out
on the ground, oh yeah trees.
Where is this?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
This is the state.
This is the state of Orange,pennsylvania, yeah, penn State.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Oh Penn.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
State.
You went to Penn State.
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
That's like a well known kind of big deal school.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I mean it's a well known school.
I don't know if it's a big dealschool.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
You see, well, like my school, ucf's on the come up,
but Penn State's already there.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
It was a big deal for local state kids, like it's a
big deal.
I mean, i know it was for me.
Honestly, it was for a lot ofmy friends to go to main campus
for four years, because a lot oftimes you don't get, like,
people get accepted to PennState but they have to go to a
satellite campus for a couple ofyears and then they get the
opportunity to transfer to maincampus.
So you can, you know, so thatwas, that was cool to do.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
That was like Penn State came into my orbit from my
like best man at my wedding andI was his Mike.
He always until he moved toFlorida and then he changed his
mind.
He had always revered andwanted to go there And I think
it's a, it's cool.
I always forget that about you.
I don't know why that The manythings the border patrol like.
You've done very cool shit Andyou again, i got to just do this
(45:57):
.
I got your storytelling, whichis why you're such a good writer
.
It's why you're such a goodwriter went.
You know what I mean.
Like it all connects.
I like telling stories.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Obviously Now what I gotta ask people to like.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, No, but here's the thing, Ed, they fucking did.
Remember when we had Emily on.
Remember when we had certaintimes we've you've told stories.
You don't always tell them.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I have captive audiences.
Certain times when you do So,it's great.
I wanna teach captive audience.
I just tell stupid stories allday, that's probably why they
like me.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It's because I'm that teacher, you know, of course it
is Just fucking just deraileasily.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Of course it is Dude, You derail.
Here's the thing You teach lifethrough anecdote.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I sabotage my own Story telling.
That's the.
You know I'm not one of thoseDude it moves the hearts and
minds.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, but let me throw this at you.
Damn, i wanna do Zelda in thenext one of these because I'm
wanting to force us intofrequency.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I like it Because I enjoy this so much You're
supposed to be the bad dude.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I'm tired.
I'm tired, but I would talkmore.
No, we need.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
We need to do it service.
You know we need to do a goodservice here.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I well, the Diablo conversation was so fun but we
wove in a check in with oneanother where we're really at
what we're doing.
Like I really just enjoyed it.
Likewise my dude.
Again, we'll hear from some ofthe related fam if they like an
episode like this or not orwhatever.
We had the unintended sponsorof InfiniGods.
You know we love Killabares.
We've been looking at our Cubsa little bit and we'll even talk
(47:30):
a little bit more about thatnext time we jam here, because I
got that cool opportunity to dothe walkthrough with Mikhail So
I'd love to talk to you moreabout that.
So in the next episode thatwe'll record together it may not
be the next one to come out,because we have some interviews
coming up that are scheduled,just like the Snow Fro one.
Guys, check that out, checkthat interview out.
If you didn't listen to theSnow Fro episode, he was so like
(47:53):
real.
We were talking about his racecar past.
He was like a race car driverhobby He got into a ceramic
business.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I thought he said race card past And that would
have been a whole different Ohno, I was like hey, am I?
right, no.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
That was pretty yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
He was a fast driving race car driver.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
He was dropping the race card, all right.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
He was doing.
he was just going around townsdropping the race card.
Damn it Sorry sorry.
No, he built.
He went to mechanic school as ahobby And then, talking about
how he got the name, snow Frowas really his like college
nickname because he owned a snowcone stand and he had an Afro
Like it was just beautiful.
It was beautiful, okay.
So listen to that fuckingepisode If you guys want to know
(48:42):
more about the founder offucking Artblocks, one of the
legit successful companies tocome out of this mess that we
love so much.
A ringer just sold for sixmillion.
That did happen.
You know what I mean.
Like we call it what it is.
Who bought it is irrelevant.
I mean it's relevant andirrelevant, but we love you all
for listening.
If you like the show, please,you know, give us a follow on
(49:05):
the related Twitter account.
A review on Spotify and Google.
We actually have some.
I don't know if you had achance to look like.
I think there's like a dozen.
There's like a dozen on eachplatform Like people which and I
we really appreciate it Thingsare happening with related
Things are happening Like we'rehaving a lot of fun with people.
We're building some cool thingsout of it because we're helping
(49:25):
one another.
That's the difference.
Like Neil with his cool thingfrozen fire now.
Like, people that want to buildthings gravitate toward other
fun people that want to help,and that's what related is about
.
I'm so stoked to talk aboutZelda and cover the Cubs.
Next time we chat We'll putthat shit on the calendar, but
otherwise, thank you brother.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Thank you, my friend, love.
You Have a great night, dude.
Same to you, man.
I'll see you next time.
Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of
odds and ends and friends orrelated podcast.
And I really thought itcouldn't get any better than
having snowfro on right Thedream, the dream guest.
And then something happened.
I was texting with my bro, hemeEd, and the joy I got from our
(00:34):
conversation and then knowing wewere going to have a recording
together, reminded me that,while that snowfro episode
jazzed me up, i was excitedGreat episode.
What I was missing, what I wasmissing in my life, is this We
were talking before we startedrecording.
I like we get to talk onDiscord a lot daily and I love
(00:56):
that, but I hadn't gotten tospeak with you in a bit, in a
little bit, and it's already.
The vibes are already tingling.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
There are happening.
I'm embarrassed about my nailbiting.
I can just stop biting my nails, Craig.
It's bad.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, hey, your honesty, your transparency, our
bad habits are out there foreveryone.
My turbo degening we knowThat's hilarious twist.
It's a cycle.
I think my favorite thing wasthat, because we met after my
(01:30):
first two cycles of that werefinished, you didn't know that.
I have it in me and it will goaway again.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's almost gone, it's almost gone, yeah, almost
almost Not quite.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
There's alpha coming next week, but it went down.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I'll give you a shout out to the people who have been
doing it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
They've been doing it .
How bent coins are doing it?
How about this?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What about bends?
Do you still do it?
I'm out of most of them.
Yeah, i told them.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
now I did So.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
now I got suckered back into some NFTs and I did
one good flip and two bad ones.
I can't right now.
Things are too precarious rightnow for me to be.
NFTs are just the most extremeof the rest.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
The markets are dog shit, yeah, yeah No.
I just can't.
So let's talk about that for asecond, because this episode
that I meander too long in theintro and I apologize to the
listeners.
I'm just excited because nowyou're going to talk video games
, i'm going to talk Zelda, we'regoing to talk Diablo, but we
would be remiss.
We are going to do that.
We would just be remiss if wedidn't do a little catch up and
(02:33):
Craig, because That's the onlything they care about, probably.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
They don't hear about video games.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Oh, that's cool, they play video games They might
Yeah, but the space is hurtlingtoward, like earth to make a big
old crater of zero.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
People are worried out there.
People are worried, and theyshould be.
But here's the thing I'm not.
No, but not from the financialperspective.
My bags are absolutely going tocontinue going down.
Okay, yeah, like, not financialadvice.
These things are going down.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
They're all going down.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
If you don't have a ringer, a Fidenza or Even though
it's good.
An auto glyph.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I saw it on Friday.
Yeah, but who do they sell?
to the one dude who, like, hasprobably themselves to, to the
punk guy who like, who?
Yeah, i mean like that's topeople who buy NFTs.
You know what I mean.
So it's like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
When I read Here's what's.
Here's what I love about this.
When I read crypto beans and wetalked through the years and
you're, you've been in the spaceso damn long.
There are crypto billionairesand crypto nine figure airs.
Yeah, they don't care becausethey got in so fucking early.
Yeah, that, they have enoughfor their life.
(03:53):
They were living fine and itdoesn't hurt them to move a
thousand ETH here.
Oh yeah, isn't that true?
And you know?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
it's exactly That's exactly what I'm.
I don't think he's at thatlevel.
I could be wrong, i don't knowthe guy or anything like that,
but but it's that like level ofYou know, like he's.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He's Our collector whale.
I watched a crypto whale pokerplayer lose him a million point
five and in one hand, and reallybe indifferent.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's all relative man , it's all you.
You know how this, becauseyou've made games and you
probably been and all of asudden the amount of money that
was a large amount of moneybecomes just normal.
You know, like the amount ofmoney that.
I do that we all play with now.
You know, just years ago waslike I was.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
No, i love that you said that because I noticed that
some like cash game, pokernights Weren't even fun.
the same way because I didn'tcare I played every hand I lost
700 bucks.
It doesn't feel right.
I stopped sports betting.
It's not because the joy factor, because NFTs.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I made too much on a few Yes, and I was like You have
to play the Vegas lines andshit and that's like there's way
too much.
And then you're like you'rebetting money.
No, but I still like watchingsports.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's fun to put money on there.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But like Exactly, but I'm not doing it to gain.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You're not going to make money or like no, i did it
for entertainment.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah Yeah, complete entertainment.
We see so fucking eye to eye onthat.
And the best thing in myopinion and I talked about this
on the spaces with Ben, on thespaces with frozen, two awesome
related members plug.
I'll put a plug in there.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
To bum, do that, but family being a dude, don't fuck.
Surely temple bar did.
that was what I was for asecond.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Sidebar.
Yeah, bro, summer is inspiring.
Thanks, ben Stuff, i love.
No, no, no, no.
This is real though.
This is real, ed.
What you are doing, while notNFT relevant, is the best
fucking thing, because morepeople should know a that
(06:02):
regular dads with lives are inthis space.
Regular people, guys and girls,i mean, there's moms to Oh yeah
, i love you.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You don't hear about them.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I mean, we are real people enjoying a similar thing,
ben told me it doesn't like me.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're like a dad's to grandma.
Yeah, that's true.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
He's so fucking right And your content is so good,
but not for NFT land, because wenow know it really was a bunch
of like 17 to 22 year olds thatwere primarily like creating,
creating negative energy.
Yeah And anyway, bro, summer isaspirational.
(06:42):
Your kid is older than mine,but I'm having inklings of it.
We put Jacob in soccer for thefirst week.
Blossom That's right Thepicture was great, dude, yes,
dude.
And then we went to the poolafter I was like I was feeling
such a fucking family high.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, family high.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So then, when you're doing it, i'm loving it.
Thanks, man.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I love to see your stuff Like you need to put some
more family stuff up on there.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I love to see people.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I've always been a big I, just that's what I enjoy.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You're getting me close, dude, you're getting me
close, i got.
I always like my wife and Italked about this.
I'm glad we're talking aboutthis.
Even We talked about this.
You were wearing up pictures ofyour kid up or something like
that.
It wasn't a worry.
It was that a lot of I wasn't.
We do it.
We have some.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
If you come over the house, he's everywhere, it's not
like that, but it's differentto be putting it on here.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Social media because my account, I've used my Twitter
.
I'm very transparent about this.
I don't have like visions ofbeing Twitter relevant or
earning revenue that way.
That's not what I do.
I like to explore, like an NFTcontest, shit tweeting tweeting
about sports, tweeting aboutvideo games, Cold DMing people
(07:57):
to see if I can get business outof it.
All of it has worked, by theway.
I just like doing it.
I like iterating.
I'm not gonna do like the builda brand of Craig.
I'm passionate about Clare,passionate about related.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So put pictures of your family on the internet.
And here's why.
Because what did I?
even?
if you go back and you look atone of the newsletters I wrote
when I first started gettinginto Kill Bears, one of the big
things that stood out to me wasthe picture Ben with all his
little kids, and he's talkingabout it today.
Same thing with the release ofthe Cubs right, the real person,
all the kids are due.
Not even real person, but yes,but like, it's his kid, he's
(08:31):
doing it with his kids and youlook at like Coleman and stuff,
and you know he's over therewith his kids and everyone stays
with their kids doing the.
That's what it's about, dudeAnd like.
And when I saw I think you'reright.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And when you see that , i think you're right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But from a business perspective, I see people and
it's maybe, it's No, no, you'reabsolutely right.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I look, I trust you more.
No, they connect.
I trust you more.
You look like a real person Andtrust in your business is
everything.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And I'm like this guy's probably not gonna screw
me.
You know what I mean.
Like this dude, would youadvertise your family, and you
know what I mean.
I don't mean that in any like,but like for real, like if
you're just gonna be a scammer.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
you're not posing pictures of your little kids, It
establishes a sense of reality.
You know what I mean, yeah, Andthe space doesn't afford for
that.
But I'm with you.
I'm with you, i love it.
I would be like, oh, that'swhere.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Craig's money goes All right, You know what I mean.
Like that's cool, I'm seriousdude.
Oh.
So like those kids are having agood, like that.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
People understand why .
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh, i like where you're going with that though
That's what I mean, like I'llgive Craig money.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Create the perspective.
That's true.
Yes, That would help even a 19year old realize oh, I'm
different from that person.
Dude, I might be doing this andliving my life Degen life.
I'm not actually living a Degenlife over here I see the
Degen's.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm a dad and a business guy, Even though the
kids, the kid Degen's that are,like I say, kids, but they're
young and old.
whatever dude, whatever kids,whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Whatever the fuck they are, i'm fucking 38.
They don't have kids.
Yeah, they don't have kids.
It's over, i'm 38.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I can't tell you how many times I see it, or just
people reply.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You're a teacher.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, they go like oh , I can't wait to be a dad.
Or like this is what I'mlooking at, like this is my goal
.
Or like people like the dadcontent, but more than that,
craig as a business person.
Once again, if I'm looking forSEO stuff and I come across
Craig's profile and I see thispicture of Craig out as kids
doing all this shit, i'm likethis dude's, like a freaking
dude, like you know he's notlike a I love you, but it's time
(10:30):
Ed's inspiring me.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I might You don't even know Like it's just a
regular dude Put an end date tomy Killabare's PFP and do my
favorite picture of me and myboy.
Well, there you go.
That's all it.
That's just That's a verythat's a perfect fit for me,
dude, yes it is, See, because itmeans something to you.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And then, but not only does it mean something Dude
look at my lock screen.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Look at my he's on my he's whipping all day, every
day.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like I love this dude .
Yes, i got.
I like where your head's at.
I like where your head's at.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Okay, so here you go.
You wanted to do it anyway, asyou just told me, and then also
it will.
it's good branding, dude, foryour bit, like it makes you look
trustworthy.
I like that I really didn'tagain.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This is the Ed and Craig vibe.
Though You help me help oneanother, i bring nothing to you
today, nothing Such crap stories.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But you're giving me absolute fucking gold for my
life, right?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
though, Because it is something like how do you feel?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
when you see something Like he's all over the
wall, like when you I agreewith you, No, no no, you're just
making sense of a thing thatwas hard for me to see.
Do you know what I mean?
Like you're really making theobstacle that was in my life
seem insignificant, because itwas.
It was a self-imposed obstacle.
(11:42):
What are you talking about Of?
like, well, wait a minute,that's what I mean.
I was imposing myself of like.
I don't want my social profileto be that, but if I'm proud of
what's going on in my life,there are ways to weave that in.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's a whole different thing.
Yeah, like I know some peopleare like I'm gonna put a picture
of my kid on the internet.
Fine, whatever, That's cool, Dothat, okay.
But like if you I will find outhow my wife feels about that,
Yeah yeah, i saw someone likeone of these other big accounts
I follow, like you know peoplehaving kids and they're posting
pictures of the kids and stuff.
This was like a year or two agoAnd I think someone wrote like
(12:14):
a DM to them and was like Iwouldn't post a picture of my
kid.
There were a bunch of likeweird creepy people And he
basically like took that tweet,quote, tweeted it and was like
if this is like the first thingyou think, like just don't even
fucking follow me.
Like you know what I mean.
Like I'm not.
This is like this is fuckinglife.
I'm just having a picture of mydamn kid.
I'm not trying.
You know what I mean.
Like people can do all sorts ofweird shit, no matter where,
(12:36):
wherever, whatever you do.
Like people could be out in thestreets.
That is true.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You can really take a picture whatever dude.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Like, you can choose to live like that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I like the logic.
You know what I mean, though Ilike the logic.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I don't know.
I'm not like precious about thestuff.
It's like I love my family andthat's it, and if you were
walking down the street youcould also take a picture of my
family.
you know what I mean, causeit's a public street.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's fucking happening all the time There are
cameras everywhere, i don'tknow whatever, but I also
understand that people don'twant to do it, whatever I'm
saying.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, we're not saying we're not saying we shit on that
.
We're saying that, like I lovethat my niece and nephew, my
sister, did a lot of Facebookposting, cause it's literally
the way I can keep up withwhat's going on.
Like I do love that, it's thatI didn't even think of it.
Like I don't use Facebook yet,so we do the face, we do the
portholeing and we send videosthrough the family chat.
(13:26):
But I do think there's going tobe aspects of It's happened
more recently when hetransitioned from just doing
like baby shit.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
To like being a little boy.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And no offense to babies Shout out babies, baby
faces forever, but like they, do.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
They is so what.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I like, i like when they become your little buddy.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Let me tell you why we're having this conversation
is the soccer fucking photo mademe like this.
This is the bro.
I must proliferate this content.
Yeah, i must proliferate thiscontent.
Well, kray, this is the reasonpeople like it, because people
enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I literally like it.
It gets good engagement.
Why?
Just because they say well?
I'm seeing you love your familyReal fucking life.
you know what I mean.
Why would you not love someoneloving their family?
Like that's what it's all about, dude Like I see people having
fun with their family and I'mlike yes dude, and every time
I'm somewhere with a bunch like,even if you go somewhere like,
okay, disneyland, right, likewe're gonna be going to
(14:19):
Disneyland a month When I gothere, all I think about not all
I think, but like I think in mymind is like everyone in here
loves the shit out of their kidsAnd of course, there are people
who go there.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Whatever, that's cool , but like if you're there with
a kid like you are there becauseyou love the hell of your kid
And you know it's their gout andthe shit and your prices.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You're just doing it because you love your kid And
that's great to be able to bewalking around in And that's why
Disneyland is a great field.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's why we like talking about dad.
Shit though, ed, because wehave very similar way we
approach the prioritization oftime.
Like I won't compromise, whileeven shit's the busiest it's
been, i won't compromise my timewith my boy And even if that
means in 11 am we're going tothe fucking park on a weekday,
like we've done that stuff and Iwant to continue doing that
(15:07):
stuff because it's not just likedaddy's working.
I don't believe in that.
I believe like, and it's so.
It's like the universevalidates right This
conversation.
Sahil Blooms tweet thread todayabout being a dad.
It all my app because it'sabout to be Father's Day.
Like it's good timing, i get it.
My meditation app, putting up ameditate on being a father for
(15:29):
15 minutes.
It was the thing I did the lasttwo nights and I'd been
struggling to meditate And Ifell asleep both times in a
beautiful state.
Because it was all, it was a 15minute or that I didn't get to
the end of.
About.
The part I remember the most isyour breathing.
You're just happy to love yourfamily there man.
Yeah, man, because it's likethen the person talks you
(15:51):
through and think of your armsand holding your son in your
arms.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Meanwhile, craig, i'm like I'm like listen to the
true crime podcast, fall asleeplast night, but like the East
area rapist and stuff.
Dude, sorry, it was just such asuch a strong juxtaposition
there that I had to comment onit And I'm like I'm like, i'm
like terrible nightmares.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
How do you not have a terrible nightmare?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't, i don't even dream or have nightmares, which
is brings me to an exploit.
I'm very excited to get my mybipap machine.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We're real old dads down to do What you start a
reading, though you will sleep.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Everyone, i've read a bunch of about it and people
say like the first two weeks,it's like you better quit those
true crime.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I'm so excited I know .
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know I get back, dude.
I've had sleep paralysis before, at least once or twice, and I
get some nightmares sometimesand like I get scared bro, like
I mean I don't know to peoplestill, it's been a long time.
But like I have, no, i have, ithink I'd have, i can have, i
think I definitely.
I guess in my point is like ifI had a bed I would be scared to
chill it.
I cried tonight in anelementary movie That was.
(16:59):
That was a good movie, dude, itwas pretty good during movies.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh yeah, the dad things.
Dad, it's the dad thing.
It's like fucking funny.
Nemo, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Iron Giant, what the fuck?
Yeah, dude, i cry a lot of time.
I cried Elemental is good.
You got to take it, boys.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
See, i did because I will, i will, but can I tell you
what made me cry?
Yeah, you just see, the fuckingkid that won American Idol,
that sang with James Blunt.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, i did not.
I did not.
I'll check it out, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
This 18 year old angel voiced Samoan.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Sing so beautifully.
His audition song was Monstersby James Blunt, which I had
never heard.
It's an homage to his dad,where the where the important
line is it's my turn to scarethe monsters away, because the
dad's sick and stuff like that.
Oh, don't get to me.
It hit me in my feels, bro.
But here's what happened.
This is a vulnerable, avulnerable man.
(17:52):
That's what it's all about.
The first night I saw it I itcoincided with my mom being in
the hospital and all this stuff,and I fucking needed that.
Cry, dude, oh, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Fucking you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You do because you need to.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean, you do Get it out sometime.
Yeah, dude, yeah, ever do thecry.
I haven't had this in a longtime, but there were, i think, i
guess, just times that werejust hard, like just the random
cry.
Bro, you know what I mean?
Yeah, the random cry.
You just got to, dude, rip it,man, let it rip.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
The rest is real.
Business has been booming.
I told you.
I told you good things arehappening, but, like with my mom
getting sick, oh, hell, yeah,it's such a joyful cry.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's such a yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
To your point of the juxtaposition.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Where we were The joy of being with my son and like
the Reality That my mom, that myparents, are sick.
Yeah, is this weird crash thateveryone in our age bracket
deals with?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
at some point I get that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Nice.
So I'm not saying what was me,i'm just sharing that like I
never been here before.
Yeah, but everyone gets here.
It's part of life.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
But I had not felt.
It makes you.
It makes you like, really Makesme more grateful, yes, for what
I got.
Of course It makes me like.
I look at it, like I look atour parents and I'm like, wow,
like how strong to have, justbecause they all get it.
They're all.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If, unless you're your great grandparents or
whatever, everyone's all aliveand stuff Your grandparents.
No, no, no, every all my folksare.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All my grandparents are gone.
It's like seeing my parents, iagree with you.
It shows their strength andtheir resolve, what they're, and
it's like I've even done mybest to mature a bit on that, to
be like, well, they're not justthe simpletons Who don't know
how to use smart technology.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
There's a lot Weird, think about it.
All right, let's not get alldepressed And shit.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, i can't.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No, i love it.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But the dad, the dad, like you, didn't like my old
timey voice.
No, i mean, i didn't mean no tothat, i meant like I'm just
fucking around, dude, dude, thedad stuff gets me And that's why
, in elemental the theme, likethere was two big themes in this
, i'd say, and like one of the,i will cry Yeah, one of the
themes was the idea of, like youknow, wanting to pursue your
(20:07):
own goal instead of your parentsgoal.
Right, that's, that's a bigtheme and like a very strong
family.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I fucking love that.
I've been talking about thatwith a few of my dad friends
right now, where oldergenerations were.
So about you, do what thefamily did.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Immigrate names came from that right.
Yes, oh doctors, you got to bethis.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
My own mom did it to me by accident.
I love my mom the most, but shedid it, i'll get you man.
Yes, that generation believedin that We have an opportunity
to go.
Like What?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
if you had a family, yeah, like that's a, that's a
big thing.
And then it's like, if it'sgoing to happen to me, ed, yeah,
that's going to happen to me.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It might happen to you with the publishing business
.
Yeah, like you're, you havethings.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I don't give a shit.
He doesn't want to do that.
You know what I mean.
Like me, neither.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
No, that's what I'm saying, that's true.
I will say that other peoplefeel differently.
Yeah, like my, my good friend,jason.
his dad felt differently.
He wanted his son in.
I don't care either way.
I wonder if it's differentbecause we?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
started it, though You know what I mean Like.
If it like, ok, so in the movieI'm not going to give too much
away, but like.
The idea, though, generally, isthat like the fire and burger
people, they were likeimmigrants and they came to the
city and like you know, and theystarted their own shop and and
that's where they want thedaughter to to work.
You know what I mean Like and.
But if they don't, and if they,if she doesn't take it over,
(21:25):
then obviously like she's,that's, it's supposed to be hers
, so that's where everything'skind of geared towards.
But like.
I can understand that more.
I think I mean in terms of like, yeah, wishing your kid would
take it over, because it's yourwhole legacy, and like when
you're not tired.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I guess I don't look at it that way I don't look at
my family life.
I think you and me are the samethis way.
Like I think if I build myfamily life because my business
succeeded, i'm already makinggood financial decisions, that
I'm not a rich guy but I'mmaking the right plays so that
I'm going to be where I want tobe.
So yeah, i don't need theprestige value of it.
(22:02):
Like I would rather if, if atsome point, jacob and Lila
that's David's kid is like no,we want to do these other things
.
My dream would be the claritywould fund your initiatives,
sacrifice the business for thefamily, not the family for the
business.
One billion percent.
But our predecessors didn'talways have that.
(22:24):
Some did, some did.
But I'm stoked that we're goingto be able to make decisions
like that.
Yeah, so, as a gentle, pivotdecisions like what game?
of gaming systems to bring inmy home, which?
I was pivoting to that, it'sNintendo Switch.
I know I'm going to get one.
I know I'm going to get one.
(22:45):
I'm waiting till he's a littleolder disclaimer, because it's
for your son.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, for everybody out there.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's all.
That's why it's a big gamer,though, ed.
No, this is why this is whythis is a cool conversation.
I'm not a big gamer.
This gaming section of thisepisode could, in theory, in the
future, be brought to you byInfinigods.
They may come on the podcast inthe future.
Unintended plug.
Nice, they are building funpuzzle games.
(23:13):
I've played that and there'snow a mobile one coming.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So unintended plug Because I think they're coming
on the episode.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But this video game conversation brought to you by
Infinigods.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Whatever you talk about video games, whoever wants
to?
yeah, please.
Whatever I'm going to say,Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So tell me a little more about why I'm going to need
a switch, and then I'll.
Then I'll pivot to my questionsthat I actually have about
Zelda and Diablo 4.
Fair, so I because the the dadcontext, what we were just
talking about.
It's too beautiful to ignore.
Well, yeah, multiple peoplehave told me this, but you know
the most What age is the rightage to get started with games
(23:50):
And what are, what are thosegames?
And then where does it scale?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So I mean first off, number one, like we just said,
obviously the switch is the move, right, because Nintendo does
such a great job at making gamesthat appeal to everybody.
So, like, even Zelda, like wejust talked about, i mean the
Zelda, zelda, mario, all thesedifferent games are like perfect
examples of games that peoplewho are five love and get
(24:15):
gleeful for And then, likepeople are 35, like are stay up
and play all night, all day.
You know what I mean.
Like, so that Zelda is theperfect example of that And then
so I mean, then you look at youlook at that, and it's like you
can play that with your kid andyou're both loving it instead
of your what it's a slog for you.
I want to know what you meanbecause maybe they're tough,
right, some games are toughwhere you have to, like you have
(24:36):
to just continue reading.
It's very, very, you know, forboth games like an RPG would be
very tough to play for a firsttime, right?
You know what I'm saying.
Like that's not So.
So, yeah, i think Nintendo isdefinitely the move with that in
that regard, because it's justthe most kid friendly stuff in
terms of, like the age, yes, andmy boy seven right now.
I'd say he's probably beenplaying for the three or four
(24:56):
years.
To be honest with you, i feellike four, feels like the game,
the game, honestly, that likethere were a few that really
stood out that he really loved,but like the big one we started
to play together.
They, i just remember takingoff as like the first game we
really played together wasLuigi's Mansion, like three I
think, the most recent, there itwas.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And that I know that game from the before times.
But he loved that game, lovedit.
And then, well, we know this,we know Mario as a concept is a
is a never ending, because lookhow good the movies is.
Exactly Right.
We know, we already knew thatMario's IP, i believe, like
Mario, is second to well, noLego is up there, but I think in
I saw this it goes PokemonMario, sorry, legos below, sorry
(25:41):
.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
No, i didn't mean that.
I mean I'm sorry I wasinterjecting, i'm just getting
too excited.
No, go ahead.
The Mario games, right, marioMario.
I grew up say there's my.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I might say it No, i might say you're right, trust me
.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
But then there's a whole ton of Lego games.
You have all the Marvel Legogames, you have Harry Potter
Lego games, you have Legoundercover like, which is like
GTA five, but it's frigging theHarry Potter ship.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh yeah, oh, she's going to love the Harry Potter
ship.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't know if you know, but there now this is on
PlayStation five or whatever,but there's the Hogwarts.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Are you playing it?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Hogwarts legacy.
Legacy, hogwarts legacy.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, eddie and Iwere playing it.
Eddie, we played that too.
Is it sick, dude?
It's super sick, it's supersick.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's no.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, she kind of wants it.
She would love it, love it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's PS five exclusive, right?
I think so.
Yeah, so there's PS five foryou.
I'll tell you one thing, thoughIf you go for PS five, there's
this There's a lot of greatgames on PS five.
We, we, we have them allbecause I love them.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So where do I find the time to do this, though,
without feeling help me getthrough?
I'm asking you as a friendagain, just like you helped me
with my PFP, yeah, just like myaunt is helping me with my
meditation that I struggle with.
I struggle to prioritize whatwould technically be me time I
(27:02):
threw through a facade.
I do enjoy the work.
I'm not watching shows as muchanymore, like I don't play games
.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I used to like really I play at the.
I play deep.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Now I need to play with someone.
Well, let me OK Diablo.
See, I don't even understandDiablo.
It's a communal game.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh yeah, i'm in the common clan, i'm in the Anata
clan.
You know, the Anata, anata.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
No, no, explain this to me a second.
Explain this to me, OK.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I did not understand that.
I apologize on that.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Much of a new Diablo I played was single player back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I can Diablo one No Diablo one was multiplayer dude.
They were all multiplayer.
They had a campaign?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I think they had a campaign.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yes, Yeah, you can.
You can always play by yourself, but you also could party up
with people because you couldset that's.
That was a big part of.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Diablo, i was telling you, i didn't know that I'm
that dense, i didn't know thattrading has played a counter
strike back in the day Oh, dudetrading.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I used to trade Diablo stuff for real money in
my school and stuff like that.
Like we would trade Diabloitems like oh, like it was this.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
NFTs.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's.
I think about it like yourDiablo sword.
We would get like a or like arare, you know armor or
something like that, and myfriend and I remember I was like
I'll give it to you for 20bucks, dude, and he's like done,
and you know so like dude, fuck, yeah, dude.
That's the big big straw aboutit.
Is like killing monsters withyour friends, but then, like you
(28:20):
, farm in blue, you're gettinggood drops and then you get to
go trade in with other people.
That's the fun part is thesocial aspect.
There's websites.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
There's whole websites.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You can log in and look for what you're looking for
And then you'll find like youcan DM the person stuff and
you're trading And yeah, it'svery social.
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So what did Diablo four do better than where three
was?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
How big is this game?
Maybe I don't even understandhow big this game is.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Craig, this game is so big that it's in the movie
theaters.
But on the previews before themovies play it's on the like
series XM radio.
I'm hearing it when I'm like inthe fricking showers.
I need to Google that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
It just made six hundred and sixty six million
over the over since launch orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's so many millions .
I mentioned it because you know, diablo six, six, six, stuff
and whatever, craig, this isgame, it's got to be the biggest
game right now.
I can't.
Even Diablo three was a fumble,hard, hard fumble.
That's why, why do we know that?
And that's why four was such abig.
Ok, so like Diablo one isunforgettable, legendary
masterpiece, like there's not.
(29:21):
You know, that was the game youprobably played And it was just
like dark and gritty and likefrigging awesome.
But the music in town was likeiconic.
Diablo two came along and it wasjust fantastic.
It really it that Diablo two isreally cemented Diablo,
probably because that's whereyou started to farm items, like
trying to get you just killbosses, trying to get good loot,
(29:44):
trying to, and then you weretrading with people.
There was like I forget thename like D2 something.
There was like a tradingwebsite that was huge.
Ok, it was still kind of a Imean, it wasn't like gritty, but
it was still kind of a darkgame.
You know, i still had thoseelements.
Diablo three came along andfirst off, when it came out,
there's a few bunch of a bunchof things.
One boom, totally broken down,broken right off the bat, like
(30:08):
the game.
You couldn't even, couldn'teven progress because it was
like you were getting like oneshot from everything.
There were blue items whichwere like uncommon, which were
like better than like the mostlegendary thing.
It was just totally jacked dude.
And so you had this right atthe bat, right, and then they
kept trying to patch it andwe're not fixing it.
Then they also had theyintroduced the real money
(30:29):
auction house which threweverything off to where people
you could literally sell on.
You, you could link your PayPalaccount and you could do what I
was saying you could do, but itwas through the actual game
itself and you could literallysell items.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So they controlled right, but they controlled the
marketplace.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I think they got a bit of a cutter and you can pull
you, but you could basicallysell.
But you did too, craig, likeyou literally got paid to sell
the cards.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
When was that?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
When was that 2013.
I think it was 2013.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So that's why you're saying NFTs, but they were not
using the blockchain, they werejust doing it like a normal
transaction.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Diablo two came out in 2008 grade.
Diablo two, we were doingthat's when I was selling it to
my friends for money still.
But it was just like, hey, giveme the money in real life, and
then I know you, but I'm justgoing to trade it to you, you
know.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So are you, are you able to build shit in four and
like sell it.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, so four, okay So three was jacked up for that
And it was also kind of cartoony, kind of campy kind of it
wasn't.
Oh, they changed the slide.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It wasn't this, yeah, boom.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Go back to number four dark gritty, again, more
open.
Okay, they basically solvedeverything.
Four is amazing, dude.
Like four, they also introducedlike things where you can, you
know, you can basically burnthings to increase your
equipment and like they'veintroduced like a more economic
economy stuff and ways to getrid of things.
And like dude, it's awesome,it's just a fun game.
(31:47):
And, like son loves it, he'sobsessed with it, he plays it on
PlayStation five and And whatdo you do?
Do you quest?
You can quest.
There's a main storyline, butonce you beat the main storyline
, if you want, you could.
So there's a couple of things.
What are they?
Once you beat the mainstoryline, you can.
You can, i guess, like, fromthat point forward, if you start
(32:07):
a new character, you can skipit, okay.
And then there's this there'slike mini quests almost, where
you complete a bunch of theseguys.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Open world will always be mini quests, will
there?
always be things like thecompany Yes is it like ready
player one ish where they alwaysdrop something in for people to
engage with.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
There's always something going on.
There's even world events andstuff like that.
Yeah, we're like where you haveto link up with other people to
fight bosses and stuff likethat, like so I Remember I do
dude, listen to this.
This is funny.
So I play hardcore right, whichis, if I die, my whole
character.
Oh, okay, i play the man'sWacer where you literally die.
(32:45):
Wait a second your character isdeleted and all those items are
gone.
You can start your entirecharacter over.
Everything's gone.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I got into you get to this psycho level of risk when.
I was most risk.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
When I started playing path of exile and, and I
don't know, probably double tobalance with you, i think you
had hardcore.
I think so.
Well, yeah, i think so.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
How many?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
people play hardcore.
Not a lot.
I just beat the game onhardcore I would say like a week
ago or something that now.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What that was a big game without dying, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh yeah, and then I've since died.
How do you do that?
But I Just, you just gotta becareful, i don't know you just
kind of.
But well, here's the thing,here's the funny thing.
So I, so I, i lost thatcharacter on, for you die
eventually.
I mean, that's just the way itgoes.
But I started a new characterand I was like up to level 30
again.
It was taking me like days andI I Got it to this world boss,
(33:38):
this huge like dragon thing orwhatever right, and I pull up
there and it says like theevents will start in like three
minutes or something like that,or or a minute, i don't even
remember.
But basically someone was likewait, oh, it was okay, let me
sorry, i remember this.
Now I get up there, yeah, likeit was like 20 seconds to go
before the event starts, right,and people are chatting and
local, everyone's kind ofcrowned around and someone's
(33:58):
like what?
like you know, hey, is this?
blah, blah, blah.
Someone's like oh, you neverdid it before.
And they were like remember,this is all hardcore, so this is
all bunch of our court people.
And the guys like no, i neverdid it.
He goes.
Well, it's like do you have any.
He's like this is your firsttime.
He's like yeah.
He's like, well, do you haveany like escape potions or like
life potions that'll allow youto like avoid death one time For
like 15 minutes or something,and it's a cool down or
(34:20):
something like that, you know.
And he's like no.
He's like oh well, then, thisis your last time, dude.
And then the fight started andhe was not fucking around, bro.
I was like I got hit and ittook like 98% of my life down
and I was like, oh No, and I did.
Your life flashes before youreyes, bro, so I can spam open my
(34:42):
inventory.
I had, i had like one scroll ofescape, dude.
I hit it, just got the fuck outof there.
I got that guy died.
I guarantee it, dude.
I Got hit one time, bro, and itwas like 98 plus like oh Yeah,
that's hard, that's so sick.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So the hardcore mode lets you feel the rush of life.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yes, lost yeah Is like Craig, i have to.
I can't recommend this enoughand I'm sorry to interrupt you,
but I have to share it becauseno, do it, brother.
This is playing this game onhardcore for the first time
without Looking up any of thevideos or any bosses or was
insane and insanely fun.
Like you are shitting yourpants on every fight because,
(35:25):
like dude, there were somebosses that took me 10 minutes.
Okay, do you remember Craig the, the butcher from Diablo one?
Okay, the butcher?
No, i don't, i have very badmemory of this kind Other than
Diablo itself, the namesake,probably the most well-known
boss, and all that is is thebutcher.
Because in Diablo one it wasthe first boss you ran into.
(35:47):
Like you were in the town andthey were like Yo shit's fucked
up at the church or themonastery or whatever it is
right, and you were the crew, idon't remember.
But you go into it And then youyou walk across and you're like
walking this dungeon, peoplelike fucking on meat, hooks and
stuff, and then like all of asudden there's you have to open
doors, like you have to click onthem and open, or all of a
sudden the door slams open byitself And then you hear, oh,
(36:08):
fresh meat, and a freaking bigdude runs out of the cleaver,
dude trying to get you.
So that was in Diablo one andhe's been in like each one, in a
way all of them.
So, dude, alright, i'm playingand I and I'm my first character
, like the game It just came outand I'm already like level 10
or 15 or and I'm in like thisdungeon of for the new one, new
one.
I'm in this dungeon like bymyself, dude, and all and all of
(36:30):
a sudden, what do you know,dude, the butcher comes out of
no, he's a random spawn.
They put him in there incertain dungeons And he just
starts like he's not a They're.
You know, monsters havedifferent kind of abilities that
you do.
They fight different ways, sure?
He just bum, rushes you dudeand just keeps like I had to run
, you can't, i couldn't tankthem, i couldn't face tank up,
(36:50):
so I was just running all theway.
Like took me like five minutesto run all the way back through
this freaking Thing.
He was him chasing me because Icouldn't tell pork, because
every time I tried He'd hit meand now and my life, and then
you would interrupt it, you know, and so like dude, yeah, anyway
, i know I just ran for a longtime, but the game.
I love that dude, it's so muchfun.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
So you've been a fan, though, of the franchise from
the beginning.
Yeah, and it's a successfulfranchise, even with its dip on
three.
Yes, you are dead correct.
It seems to be over almost 700million in sales.
It's only been out for twoweeks.
I think, that would besuccessful in the movie industry
.
It's successful in the game.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Oh, it technically launched on one week, sixth
right technique.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So it'll, it'll.
It'll very likely grow Fromthere.
Now I I heard it's blizzards.
You said this too.
I think it's blizzards mostsuccessful launch Of all time,
and they're and they're a bigcompany.
Aren't they the ones that didWorld Warcraft?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, Oh yeah, i've been, so they're just, i've
loved them since this is man.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, this is macro bullish, though.
Right, this is like Nvidiabullish, not financial advice,
right We?
need like people.
People loving the map Yes,people loving video games is
good and fell like to.
It's just shows you.
That's where I'm going withthis Good car, where yes, if you
make something and this is yougiving me the context that
(38:13):
Diablo 3 was even a pullback.
It's even more exciting thatthey're back strong because the
movie industry showed I'm justgiving a bigger picture like
we're back.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
But you were back.
Yeah, culture, we're back inculture.
I just said it to my wife today.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I swear to God, craig , literally two hours ago I told
her water made as much as itdid.
I was so happy, i just.
I think I've seen every twoseven.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I've seen every movie in theaters, craig, so with you
, see the bro soma, right,you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It's not even about that.
How far away is the localtheater for you?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
There's two of them, ones three minutes away, already
across three and one is like 20minutes away.
I usually go to the 20 minutewavelength because they have
nicer seats.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Oh it's better.
Yeah, yeah, better seats, youdo that.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well, you gotta do that.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Is it popcorn every time, though I don't need for me
, i'm addicted my boy?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Oh fuck my boy.
Does I a?
I ate a.
Mmm, if I'm gonna eat anything,i'll probably get like a soft
pretzel maybe, but like I I'm soweak 80 does popcorn.
My mom blows popcorn and Sierrathose popcorn, i can't do
popcorn, we're gonna why.
Craig, my stepmom boughtjellybilly Jelly beans off of
(39:18):
QVC when I was child and I atelike the whole box because it
was so novel And it was likejalapeno flavored and root beer
flavored and black liquoradition Popcorn flavored and I
got I eat that and I threw upand I got so sick That I had to
call out of school the next day.
And the only flavor thatlingers in my mind and memory.
(39:41):
So It's like a bad liquor, likeyou always remember, the one
liquor that really took you out.
You can't drink it like smearit off black, like raspberry.
I can't raspberry flavoredstuff.
Dude, i make me feel sick.
I drank something the other daythat was that flavor and I
almost I was like This is themost horrendous thing on our
(40:01):
experience.
What's your drink?
There's gotta be a drink.
Yeah, you can drink.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So here's what's crazy about me I cycled out of
most of them because, like itwas, jose Cuervo is what it was
one.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Is that the one, like , what's the one that made you
like black out, throw up andthen like you could never
recover, jose Jose.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Cuervo, tequila where ?
but I will drink tequila,high-end tequila I'll still
drink, is it's so different?
but Cuervo is so disgusting tome, yeah, that.
I can't even be, i Can't eventake the smell of it.
It just I get the Cuz.
My worst Nights for Jose Cuervotequila dude, i have to.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
okay, man, i bet you one of my friends has this
picture.
okay, i, when I was a Freshmanor a sophomore, my fraternity.
Okay, i'm college.
Sorry, we had in the early days,20 years ago We had a formal
and My buddy tells me he goes.
(41:05):
I saw you walking down to yourdates house, like I had to walk
all the way across campus, youknow what I mean.
So it was freshman year.
Okay, he goes.
I saw you walking to your dateshouse at like noon And he's
like, and I knew you were likegonna be like you were fucking
in trouble, you were done Allright.
So like, so I was, i got tobottle Jose, that's the.
(41:29):
So you know the date, my date,like that's what she likes.
So I picked it up with her Andof course I was like let's go
pretty good.
So I go to her apartment andwe're like drink it.
We're already like totallydestroyed, dude.
And I don't, yeah, i don't.
I remember going to myfraternity house making it,
making it there before the likeformal, right, that's awesome.
(41:50):
And then I remember beingThat's a victory, thank you.
And then I remember being aloneat one.
So there's like flashes, i'mstarting to lose things.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, i remember being alone inone of my fraternity brothers,
in the rooms not my room andthere was a chess board with
shot glasses and I was fillingthem and like playing and
drinking.
And then I remember.
And then the next thing Iremember is waking up on the
(42:13):
couch Full black out of style.
Waking up on the couch in theparty room, main party room, my
fraternity 90 person.
it was like a mansion dude Inthe party room, all dead quiet,
by the way.
So which is like what In afraternity and like I only say
that's a little fucked upEveryone's gone.
I missed the formal, so I fallasleep on the fucking couch here
or whatever.
(42:33):
And anyway, next thing I know Iget pictures the next morning
or whatever.
I kind of collected myselffinally on my way back home.
I don't know, i found out thatI made it back home or whatever,
and I see pictures of me andher just on the lawn, completely
passed out, blacked out in themiddle of the day, on the
volleyball court, just layingthere in suits and dress, just
(42:56):
completely unconscious.
So we were.
Someone said that I, like,while I was in the club room
with like a bottle, and I justdropped a bottle and like it
shattered everyone.
Wah, you know that kind oflevel of it's.
Just you remind me of thistequila stuff, dude.
The picture, though, is me onthe ground, like it's an iconic
(43:17):
of my own life.
She's passed out too.
Both of us, both of us.
I'm like dude, like forcomplete formal attire.
Here's that, please.
In a family neighborhood.
Just behind this.
I'm gonna send you a picture,craig.
I'm gonna send you a picture ofwhere the back of my house is.
You're gonna laugh so hard.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You're in a family neighborhood.
Yeah, it's crashed out of yourmind.
You're gonna love this.
Oh my God, dude, your storiesare the fucking best.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, you know, i mean, like I guess it was, it
was probably kind of a dumbstory to tell so long, but I but
it made me think of it, maybebecause that was my main time.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
It's so good, thank you.
The last thing else in my lifecomes from this podcast but me
getting more of those storiesout of you.
Dude, you're gonna love this.
I will have juice.
For days I haven't laughed thathard in a hot fucking minute,
dude.
Oh, okay, that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I'm sending this to you right now, doing this live,
do you?
Speaker 1 (44:13):
discord or text.
I'm gonna text you on it.
Okay, take a look at thispicture I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh my God Coming in Absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You didn't see it yet It didn't show up.
Yet There we go, crazy bullshit.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I was saying beautiful the way I feel.
Whatever credit, whatevercredit.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
This is like a well off neighborhood brother.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, okay, Do you see that?
The right, that's where it'slike a mansion, That's the
fraternity house, but you seethe volleyball court right there
.
That's where I was, And thenhere it's like, if you take a
look, you can see it's just anice little neighborhood.
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You know that's pretty nice neighborhood, It's
not, it's very nice neighborhood, pretty good, we're passed out
on the ground, oh yeah trees.
Where is this?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
This is the state.
This is the state of Orange,pennsylvania, yeah, penn State.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Oh Penn.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
State.
You went to Penn State.
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
That's like a well known kind of big deal school.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I mean it's a well known school.
I don't know if it's a big dealschool.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
You see, well, like my school, ucf's on the come up,
but Penn State's already there.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
It was a big deal for local state kids, like it's a
big deal.
I mean, i know it was for me.
Honestly, it was for a lot ofmy friends to go to main campus
for four years, because a lot oftimes you don't get, like,
people get accepted to PennState but they have to go to a
satellite campus for a couple ofyears and then they get the
opportunity to transfer to maincampus.
So you can, you know, so thatwas, that was cool to do.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
That was like Penn State came into my orbit from my
like best man at my wedding andI was his Mike.
He always until he moved toFlorida and then he changed his
mind.
He had always revered andwanted to go there And I think
it's a, it's cool.
I always forget that about you.
I don't know why that The manythings the border patrol like.
You've done very cool shit Andyou again, i got to just do this
(45:57):
.
I got your storytelling, whichis why you're such a good writer
.
It's why you're such a goodwriter went.
You know what I mean.
Like it all connects.
I like telling stories.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Obviously Now what I gotta ask people to like.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, No, but here's the thing, Ed, they fucking did.
Remember when we had Emily on.
Remember when we had certaintimes we've you've told stories.
You don't always tell them.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I have captive audiences.
Certain times when you do So,it's great.
I wanna teach captive audience.
I just tell stupid stories allday, that's probably why they
like me.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It's because I'm that teacher, you know, of course it
is Just fucking just deraileasily.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Of course it is Dude, You derail.
Here's the thing You teach lifethrough anecdote.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I sabotage my own Story telling.
That's the.
You know I'm not one of thoseDude it moves the hearts and
minds.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, but let me throw this at you.
Damn, i wanna do Zelda in thenext one of these because I'm
wanting to force us intofrequency.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I like it Because I enjoy this so much You're
supposed to be the bad dude.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I'm tired.
I'm tired, but I would talkmore.
No, we need.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
We need to do it service.
You know we need to do a goodservice here.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I well, the Diablo conversation was so fun but we
wove in a check in with oneanother where we're really at
what we're doing.
Like I really just enjoyed it.
Likewise my dude.
Again, we'll hear from some ofthe related fam if they like an
episode like this or not orwhatever.
We had the unintended sponsorof InfiniGods.
You know we love Killabares.
We've been looking at our Cubsa little bit and we'll even talk
(47:30):
a little bit more about thatnext time we jam here, because I
got that cool opportunity to dothe walkthrough with Mikhail So
I'd love to talk to you moreabout that.
So in the next episode thatwe'll record together it may not
be the next one to come out,because we have some interviews
coming up that are scheduled,just like the Snow Fro one.
Guys, check that out, checkthat interview out.
If you didn't listen to theSnow Fro episode, he was so like
(47:53):
real.
We were talking about his racecar past.
He was like a race car driverhobby He got into a ceramic
business.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I thought he said race card past And that would
have been a whole different Ohno, I was like hey, am I?
right, no.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
That was pretty yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
He was a fast driving race car driver.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
He was dropping the race card, all right.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
He was doing.
he was just going around townsdropping the race card.
Damn it Sorry sorry.
No, he built.
He went to mechanic school as ahobby And then, talking about
how he got the name, snow Frowas really his like college
nickname because he owned a snowcone stand and he had an Afro
Like it was just beautiful.
It was beautiful, okay.
So listen to that fuckingepisode If you guys want to know
(48:42):
more about the founder offucking Artblocks, one of the
legit successful companies tocome out of this mess that we
love so much.
A ringer just sold for sixmillion.
That did happen.
You know what I mean.
Like we call it what it is.
Who bought it is irrelevant.
I mean it's relevant andirrelevant, but we love you all
for listening.
If you like the show, please,you know, give us a follow on
(49:05):
the related Twitter account.
A review on Spotify and Google.
We actually have some.
I don't know if you had achance to look like.
I think there's like a dozen.
There's like a dozen on eachplatform Like people which and I
we really appreciate it Thingsare happening with related
Things are happening Like we'rehaving a lot of fun with people.
We're building some cool thingsout of it because we're helping
(49:25):
one another.
That's the difference.
Like Neil with his cool thingfrozen fire now.
Like, people that want to buildthings gravitate toward other
fun people that want to help,and that's what related is about
.
I'm so stoked to talk aboutZelda and cover the Cubs.
Next time we chat We'll putthat shit on the calendar, but
otherwise, thank you brother.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Thank you, my friend, love.
You Have a great night, dude.
Same to you, man.
I'll see you next time.
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