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Step into the shadows of New Orleans with us as we unpack Geneva Lee's "Filthy Rich Fae," a supernatural crime drama where the lines between mafia power and fae magic blur into a dangerous, seductive world.

When ER nurse Kate Holloway strikes a bargain with the notorious fae crime lord Lachlan Gage to save her brother's soul, she finds herself bound to his world for thirty days—just long enough for forbidden attraction to take root. Our discussion explores how Lee blends the gritty realism of organized crime with the ethereal elements of fae mythology, creating what host Jonathan humorously dubs "cornotropia"—a story where multiple romance tropes collide and overlap.

The episode reveals fascinating divisions among our hosts, with Ashley giving the book enthusiastic praise and immediately diving into book two, while others found themselves wishing for more fantasy elements and less gunplay. We debate whether the romance truly qualifies as fated mates, enemies-to-lovers, or something altogether different when Lachlan persistently calls Kate "princess" despite her ordinary background. Does this hint at hidden royal connections, or is it simply his way of establishing dominance?

For listeners intrigued by genre crossovers, we discuss how "Filthy Rich Fae" serves as an excellent bridge between contemporary mafia romance and romantic fantasy—perfect for readers looking to expand their literary horizons without venturing too far from familiar territory. But be warned: while book one can stand reasonably well on its own, continuing to book two might leave you desperately awaiting the unreleased third installment.

Links from the News Segment and Show:

  • SJM has finished the first draft of book 6 of the ACoTaR series  
  • SenLinYu will be doing book signings and participating in panels at San Diego Comic Con, July 24-27
  •  Fourth Wing Amazon show has a new show runner: Jac Shaeffer
  • JR Ward author of the BDB series is taking a dip into romantasy
    • Instagram Link
    • 4 part series called the Kingdoms of the Compass series starts with Crown of War and Shadows due out Feb 17 2026
    • Also, on July 19th her author shop goes live
    • Instagram Link

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Ashley (00:00):
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Mari (00:30):
Hello and welcome to Of Swords and Soulmates, a podcast
where we read, watch and discussromancy stories.
I'm one of your hosts, mari,and with me I have Kelly.

Kelly (00:35):
Hey everyone, it's Kelly.
We also have Ashley.

Ashley (00:38):
Hey guys, it's Ashley.
We also have Jonathan.

Jonathan (00:41):
Hey everybody, it's JP .
How's everybody doing tonight?
We also have Jonathan.
Hey everybody, it's JP, how'severybody doing tonight Pretty
good.

Mari (00:46):
It is basically Halloween season upon us, because that's
next big holiday, so I'mecstatic, boo.

Jonathan (00:53):
You get me every time with that, every time.

Mari (00:55):
Good times, good times.
So today we're going to bediscussing Filthy Rich Fae by
Geneva Lee, but first, as always, we're going to go over some
news.
We don't have a lot of news interms of a lot of different
content, but we've got some bigthings that have happened lately
.
For sure, I think, like yeah.
So starting with the big one issjm.
Sarah j moss announced on herinstagram profile she had a

(01:20):
little picture that she hadfinished writing the next ACOTAR
book ACOTAR book six, maybe.
And so now, of course, all thathas to be edited and all that
stuff.
I say maybe because the wayit's showing in the picture says
ACOTAR six.
And then I thought, when I sawit, I thought it was an arrow
like six and like ongoing or sixinside, or whatever.

(01:40):
I know people have been talkingsaying that they thought that
it was six to eight.
I don't know if you guys haveheard that yeah, there's a whole
like, like, like rabbit hole.

Jonathan (01:50):
Handwriting analysis yeah I, I I got baited into it
somebody figured you'd be allabout it, like the title of the
book, and it was not I.
Now that I'm thinking about it,I don't think that that's the
title.
It was a court of watery bowels.
No, that's not that, I wasfooled.

(02:11):
Yeah, that's HHN.

Ashley (02:13):
So then there's also like reverse speculation,
because there's a lot ofdiehards that would argue, only
four books release and that youknow, the, the, the, the small
one.
The novella is like 3.5, and sosome people are like well,
she's written two books, andthat's book five and book six,

(02:33):
and that the, the grammar in herposting would also like it.
It wouldn't be accurate if itwas just a single book, is what
they were saying, because theysaid drafts like sing, you know,
like in that it was just thatit meant more than one book or
something like that.
So there's there's someconspiracy theorists that would

(02:54):
argue that this is going to be,that she's written book five and
six, but then others, like yousaid, are saying six through
eight, which seems like a lot.

Mari (03:02):
But who am I?
But I mean if, if you'rewrapping it up or if you're
interconnecting other serieswith it, you do have to plan
ahead some yeah, and it has beenfor sure but five, four years
now.
So court of silver flames isthe last one that came out,
which was book five in thatseries.
I know she's written crescentcity since then, but the last
akatar one was court of silverflames.

(03:24):
That was 2021.
I was gonna say that was fullpandemic right, that was in the
middle of all that.
So, yeah, yeah.
So it'll be interesting to seeif it's just going to be one
that's going to be released orif we're going to get some sort
of release dates or releaseschedule for more of them.
I think it's going to depend,of course, on how long it takes
to edit them, and then all theother speculation like is it
going to be from someone else'sviewpoint?

(03:46):
Who's going to be the?
main focus of it.
What's going to happen?

Jonathan (03:50):
yeah kelly, which book are you on in that series?

Ashley (03:53):
none I only read the first one.
Yeah, kelly said no thanks yeah, I'm the same.

Jonathan (03:57):
We're in the same spot you gave up oh akatar I'm
thinking tog no, no, tog, I'mgood, but yeah, well, you if?

Mari (04:05):
nothing else when book six comes out.
Ash, because you're up throughfive, right, you've read all of
them that are out now.

Ashley (04:11):
So I have not, no, okay, I have not, yeah, no, I stopped
at book three because Irealized that it wasn't finished
.
Yeah, I have not read thenovella and I've not read A
Court of Silver Flames.

Mari (04:23):
Okay, okay.

Ashley (04:25):
And then I deep.
I started the deep dive intoThrone of Glass and I just
started Queen of Shadows onThrone of Glass.

Mari (04:32):
Yeah, we got to get back to Throne of Glass at some point
after all the Romantic Conbooks.

Ashley (04:36):
Yeah, because I would like us to finish it as a
podcast.

Jonathan (04:39):
It flows so well yeah.

Ashley (04:40):
Even for it being like considered.
Ya, I feel like.

Mari (04:43):
Yeah, I really do enjoy that series.
Well, if nothing else, onething we can maybe think about
doing as a podcast is maybegetting a few people together
guests we've had on the past orwhatnot, who have read it, and
then just kind of talking aboutbook six, without necessarily
going through books two, throughfive as a group.
You know if we're not going todo that as a podcast, so we can

(05:05):
just kind of talk about the newwoman.
It comes out whenever, wheneverthat date is, so you can figure
that out, all right.
Anything else about the akatarnews anybody want to talk about?

Ashley (05:15):
no, I've only gone down one rabbit hole when I have.
When I go down more, I'll letyou know, yeah the only thing I
would say is it does it.

Jonathan (05:24):
Am I the only one that it bothers that we call it
akatar?
Yes, even though every otherbook is like different yes,
you're the only one that bothersakawiff.

Ashley (05:32):
I mean, that's the name of the series.

Mari (05:33):
The series is akatar, the akatar series, isn't it, well,
the official name of it.

Kelly (05:37):
I mean a lot of times.

Jonathan (05:38):
This is my disconnect and I apologize to everybody for
this.

Kelly (05:43):
A series is often known by whatever the first iteration
of it is right you know it's thestar wars saga.
They didn't start calling, youknow, a new hope separate until
all the movies had come outright.

Ashley (05:58):
It was always just called star wars right, because
the fourth wing series isarguably the Empyrean series and
so you know she's been veryclear about that since the
beginning.
But I don't think Sarah J andyou know we just said TOG right
and we knew that we were talkingabout the complete series.
So I think Sarah J Mass, herseries are just the book one and

(06:21):
then that's the name of theseries for the rest of us.

Kelly (06:23):
Because there are so many .
But good question, the creatordoesn't often get to pick the
name of something it's.
Whatever the people who read it, watch it, et cetera, start
calling it.

Mari (06:34):
That's true, we're in charge, all right.
Other news, little tidbit I had, was Sin Lin Yu, who wrote the
Alchemize book that's going tobe coming out.
It's going to be doing booksignings and participating in
panels at San Diego Comic-Con,which is coming out.
I mean, it's happening a fewdays after the release of this
episode.
So I assume San Diego Comic-Conis like the other California

(06:56):
Comic-Cons where you kind ofhave to buy tickets way in
advance.
So if you have tickets in ourfan, you may want to check her
out.
If you don't have tickets inour fan, you might be out of
luck, I don't know.
But basically you have to havea ticket to the to the comic-con
event to be able to go to herpanels or her book signing.
But she is doing book signings,uh, and she's going to be
participating several panels.
On her website and herinstagram page she's got like a

(07:17):
list of of what panels she'sgoing to be at and when all her
table signings are going to be.
So but what is what is shesigning?
That's a great question.

Ashley (07:26):
I assume it's like like it just dawned on me that it's
happening so soon, like you know, like a book plate maybe.

Mari (07:32):
I assume, like like some authors do, well, they'll do
like that sticker book platething that you can then put in
the book, I guess, after you getit oh, so do you think they're
going to be people brave enoughto bring manacles?
I mean maybe I, if I were going, I absolutely would heck.
Yeah, I didn't realize that itwas like this month yeah, yeah,
and, as I said, I I assumed sandiego comic-con is one of the

(07:55):
bigger ones where you have tobuy tickets like a year in
advance kind of thing.
But if anyone is going and is afan and wasn't aware, that's
something you might want to belooking for.
Or if you have someone in yourlife that's a fan, that might be
a great gift for them.

Ashley (08:08):
I didn't realize she had so many fan fictions.

Mari (08:11):
I haven't read anything of hers other than Manacled.
Well, I'm a masochist and Iwill let you know.
Next thing is other bigromantic news is that the fourth
wing TV show, the Amazon show,has a new showrunner that
they've announced it's going tobe Jack Schaefer.
She did Agatha All Along andWandaVision, which I really

(08:33):
enjoyed.
Both of those.
I thought they were very welldone, Very well done.
So I'm excited as to,potentially, the direction that
this is going to go.
I mean, we don't have any moredetails than that and you know
it'll still take a while for usto get any details, but it feels
like it's becoming more real,you know.

Ashley (08:49):
I mean, I guess I was a little concerned that there was
already, like it's only been, ayear since they announced the
last showrunner, right, and sohere we are with new blood, and
I'm not opposed, but I justwonder why the change?

Mari (09:07):
I think a lot of that's my understanding, and my
understanding of hollywood stuffis basically just what you read
after the fact you know myunderstanding is, a lot of these
projects take a really longtime to do, and so you may have
someone semi-committed to it,but if you know you're setting
to do this a year from now andthey commit to it, but then it
ends up being two years from nowor three years from now they've
already committed to anotherproject.
That's actually happening, youknow, I guess that's fair like,

(09:29):
was it guillermo dota wassupposed to, I believe, direct?
Wasn't he supposed to directlike one of the lord of the
rings movies or something or thehobbit?
Really, he was supposed todirect something and he ended up
not doing it because by thetime they were ready to do it
and he he had like semicommitted to it, he was in the
middle of doing Crimson Peak.
So you know, I think that Ithink change arounds happen a
lot, just depending on, likewhat big projects people end up

(09:52):
being actually in the middle ofat the time that everything else
that has to come together for ashow starts to come together.
You know.

Ashley (10:00):
Yeah, I guess, put that way it makes sense we'll see.

Mari (10:05):
I guess, put that way, it makes sense.
Yeah, and I mean it's fairlyearly on.
Like I said, they, they don't,they don't have haven't done
casting.
I don't know that they evenhave like a person picked who's
going to be doing casting.
I I don't think they have awhole lot of the talent lined up
yet.
You know what I mean.
So I think we're a ways fromthat.

Ashley (10:19):
Yeah I mean, I know rebecca's talked about.
You know the script that she'sread, you know, at least some of
the script, if not all, andthat she's, you know,
enthusiastic and optimisticabout what she's seen so far,
and there's definitely been alot of fan casting.

Mari (10:37):
Yes.

Ashley (10:38):
And a lot of rumors.

Jonathan (10:41):
Is fan casting when people fight over stuff?

Ashley (10:43):
No, when people like pick who their choices are.

Mari (10:45):
I think this actor would make a good blah blah blah, or
make a good this, you knowcharacter or that character yeah
so, and then they take sidesand stuff and they get all upset
at each other yeah, yeah,sometimes I don't like I'm
against fan casting, I meanbecause of that.

Jonathan (11:02):
I just think that people just think nobody likes
who not, I shouldn't say nobody.
People choose sides and thenthey jump all over another
person for, because they chosesomebody they don't like, this
is the person I see.
Is this?
Yeah, but isn't it's what comesout?

Mari (11:19):
it's just like kick the hornet's nest yeah, I think fan
casting I think that I don'tthink there's anything wrong
with fan casting, because I dothink it's natural when you read
something to have a vision inyour head of what you think that
person's going to look like.
And a lot of times where thatcomes from is people we've seen,
you know, on TV or movies orwhatever.

(11:40):
So I don't think that's thatunusual.
I think, ultimately, if theauthor is behind whoever's
officially cast, then they'vegiven it the seal of approval.
I saw some TikTok thing wherepeople were saying so the Black
Dagger Brotherhood show came out, just finished up, the season

(12:03):
just finished up.
And there are people complainingthat the actors that they cast
for the main vampires were, like, not the right people and not
the people that they thought andnot as as buff as they thought
they were supposed to look likeor whatever.
But ultimately and like the bigthing is, ultimately the author
said that this is, this wasperfect.

(12:24):
Like these people that werecast were perfect.
So I think, so long as they getthe author input, if the author
agrees with whoever's cast,then the rest is just.
You know, People can fan castwhoever they want.
It's like fan fiction.
But I mean, there's no right orwrong, you can't argue about it
.
You know what I mean?
Not really.

Jonathan (12:43):
You shouldn't argue about it.

Mari (12:44):
You know what I mean?
Not really, but I mean youshouldn't argue about it.

Jonathan (12:47):
People do so.
Just to recap, it's the readerswho name the book series and
it's the authors who choose whatwe envision.
Check.
Just making sure I was a joke,I'm just playing around.

Ashley (12:57):
Nobody said it made sense.
Why are you looking for logic?

Jonathan (13:02):
I've lost all sense.

Mari (13:04):
Yeah, but speaking of the Black Dagger Brotherhood series,
that's the last little bit oftidbit of news that we have is
that Jerra Ward, who wrote theBlack Dagger Brotherhood series,
is releasing a romancy series.
As far as I could tell and I'veonly ever read some of her
Black Dagger Brotherhood books,I'm up to like book seven I
believe, now.
But as far as I can tell, shehasn't done any other Romanesie

(13:27):
stories.
I think everything has beenkind of a paranormal urban
fiction kind of thing, like theBlack Dagger Brotherhood, and
then she's got some series thatare kind of take place in the
same world and I think she mayhave like a historical fiction
series.
So this will be her first kindof steps into romanicy.
It's going to be a four-partseries, four books.

(13:47):
The series is going, or the.
The series as a whole is goingto be called the kingdoms of the
compass series and the firstbook is the crown of war and
shadows.
It's due out february 17th of2026, I don't think I've read jr
ward my first reading of herswas when I started reading the
black dagger brotherhood seriesbecause the show was coming out
and I was like, oh, it's avampire series I didn't hear

(14:09):
about.
I like vampires.
The series has been around fora minute.
Book 23 in that series iscoming out this year.
So that gives you an idea.
But I heard that the TV show iscoming out.
I'm like, well, let me at leastread the first book before I
decide whether I'm not going towatch the show.
And I ended up liking the book,even though it is dated.
You got to realize it's aproduct of when it was written,

(14:31):
but it was still, I thought, agood, a good book, and I ended
up enjoying it.
And, like I said, I'm enjoyingthe rest of them.
I'm I'm right now.
I'm still planning oncontinuing them.
I'm on book seven and plan tofinish it.
So interesting, yeah um.

Ashley (14:46):
We love a commitment this book looks pretty.

Jonathan (14:48):
I mean, it looks like a lovely look.
It would definitely capture myattention.
I don't enjoy the namingconvention of this and part of
that is because I feel likeakatar owns this naming
convention now, but then, likelooking at the photo of the
author, she's giving off supermeryl streep.
Devil Devil Wears Prada vibes.

Mari (15:08):
She very much gives me those vibes.
Yeah, if you ever see any ofher in person like video of her
doing interviews and stuff, shehas a very strong personality.
Yeah, I think she's really cool.
I think the a blank of blankand blank is very common in
Romanesie.
Like, I think it's just ifyou're going to try and launch a
Romanesie you know series, Ithink it's an easy way to like

(15:31):
put the Romanesie sticker on it.
You know what I mean To makesure that it's firmly in that
genre and I believe this is donethrough Bramble, so I don't
know.
There may have been some inputthey had on, had on like how the
naming convention was done.
I don't know.
So I'm planning on reading yougotta have these.

Jonathan (15:48):
So this, this syllable count right Right.
Which is probably that's how Iwould.
I'm not going to lie, that'show I would look at it.
Like I have a theory that ifyou have a round circle, like
just a circle, on the front ofyour book, of your self-help
book, it's going to sell more,more.
I don't even care what's inthat circle, just circle, sell
books.
If you're, if you're apublisher and you're out there,
circle, sell books and followthe syllable count of akatar at

(16:13):
least if you're in romanicy.

Mari (16:14):
I think it is very much an expectation in romancy.
You know what I mean.
So yeah, I I will be.
It'll be interesting to see,because the black dagger
brotherhood is in a very modernkind of setting, like Like I
think it starts in the 90s.
When I say modern, I mean likemodern-ish Versus.
This series seems to be like astraight-up fantasy series.
You know, more of a traditionalfantasy, romantic-y type of

(16:36):
series rather than any moderninfluence on it.
So we'll see.
We'll see where it goes.
But speaking of her, speakingof JR Ward, her author shop is
going live a few days after thisepisode goes out too.
It's going live on July 19th,so I don't know what all kind of
merch she'll have on there, butif you're interested in any of
her works, I would check out hershop after the 19th.

(16:58):
Good to know.
Anybody else have any news News?
I heard that.

Jonathan (17:03):
I don't know if this is true news, but this could
just be gossip.
I heard that there was aComic-Con and Galaxy-Con in New
Orleans.
I heard that day one it waspretty much a bust.
People were not.
The vendors were starting toget a little freaked out by the
quality of crowd, like marketing.

(17:25):
But everything I can find whenI start to research it and dig
deeper, like the fans are likehey had a great time, hey, this
was great.
And I'm looking at the picturesto see, like you know, if it's
just, if I go to like a comiccon and it's just me, I'm going
to have a great time because Iget to spend all the time with
people.
But the pictures show people inthe background, so I don't know
how much truth there is to itor if it was somebody just

(17:46):
trying to start some drama.
But yeah, I don't know.

Ashley (17:49):
So, but like were they upset that like people weren't
showing, like it wasn't heavycrowds?

Jonathan (17:53):
That's what some of the social media posts on, like
TikTok from the POV of thevendors.
Some of the like the book inthe's.
What like on book talk.
It popped up for me.
And I was like they're loose,they fit together every now and
then, right, but like that, Iwas like hmm, that like struck

(18:13):
me as as interesting, so I'dlike to.
So maybe not.
Maybe, maybe there's a anelement of truth in there, but
keep your eyes on the horizon.
If it breaks, if it's like abig thing and like and all these
authors were like, hey, if it'slike a big thing and like, and
all these authors were like, hey, this was terrible.
You heard it here first.
If, if it doesn't and I'm wayoff base and it was just like a
handful of people trying to makea scene then you know, hey,

(18:34):
blame those people.
My man.

Mari (18:35):
Well, I will say GalaxyCon is different from Comic-Con.
So, like my understanding andKelly, you may know more about
this than I do.
But Comic-Con, I believe, islike a marketing entity, like a
Comic-Con.
There's an official Comic-Conbut not all fantasy or comic
conventions are Comic-Con.

(18:56):
So if it was named GalaxyCon itprobably wasn't an official,
like a Common Con event, whichI'm not saying is better or
worse.
So Comic-Con has, depending onwhere it is, like you know, new
York, or wherever they're verylarge, they're very well
attended by the public and theytend to.
Because they are such a bigmarketing entity, they tend to

(19:16):
pull in big movie stars andwhatnot.
But you also have smaller consthat happen in places throughout
the country probably throughoutthe world, but throughout the
country for sure that kind ofhave some of the same formula of
Comic-Con but they're smaller.
A lot of them are smallerfan-run type events Like MegaCon

(19:38):
in Orlando is smaller thanComic-Con.
It's not Comic-Con.
It's still fairly large and hasa very similar model to
Comic-Con.
But, for example, dragoncon thatI go to in Atlanta is a fan-run
event that's structureddifferently than Comic-Con.
So you're going to have panels,you're going to have a place to
shop and you're going to havecosplay.

(20:00):
Those are kind of common thingsat all these types of events,
but whether or not the mainfocus is on, say, you have this
one website where you pay Xamount of dollars for all these
things and you're in this onespot for this hour to this hour
and you're over here for thishour to this hour versus a more
over here for this hour to thishour versus a more freeform
event.
So Comic-Con tends to be veryhighly structured and you pay

(20:23):
for everything.

Kelly (20:25):
But GalaxyCon is also a system of cons too, like San
Diego Comic-Con, new YorkComic-Con.
So there's GalaxyCon inColumbus, there's GalaxyCon this
year in New Orleans, which wasthe first year, I think, they
had one in New Orleans, which ispossibly why the attendance was
low.

Mari (20:43):
Could be.

Kelly (20:43):
I mean, it just happened and you know, july is not
necessarily a great year to bein New Orleans.
Yeah, it's a great, great timeto be in New Orleans it's just
hot Plus.
I mean, the trend in 2025 hasbeen that conventions attendance
is not as good as it's been inthe past.
Part of that is because of inbigger cons you have less people

(21:08):
coming from overseas, like cesattendance was way down this
year because you didn't have alot of people coming over from
china, coming over from Japanetc.

Jonathan (21:17):
CES Consumer Electronics.

Kelly (21:20):
Yeah, several medical conferences attendance has been
down just because you knowfinances are getting tight, so
people are opting not to come,especially people who pay their
own way at these medicalconferences.

Ashley (21:35):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Mari (21:37):
And I wanted to.
If it was moved, like you said,where was it before?
Was it Columbus, georgia, orColumbus Ohio, ohio?
So think about it.
If it was in Columbus Ohio, isit in the same spot year after
year, normally?

Kelly (21:51):
Yeah, I mean I think they're still having one in
Columbus this year, I think itwas just they added one in New
Orleans, is my understanding.

Mari (21:57):
Because you've got to think about it.
If someone does go to it everyyear, or they're planning to go
to it and it's within drivingdistance to them, and all of a
sudden there's another one thatyou have to fly to, that's a
whole different level ofbarriers.

Kelly (22:05):
Right and they're having it.

Mari (22:07):
It looks like there's also a.

Kelly (22:08):
GalaxyCon that's going to be in San Jose and one in
Raleigh, north Carolina, as well.

Mari (22:14):
Okay.

Kelly (22:18):
So you know, if this is just the first, time in new
orleans, you know in july.
Yeah, this may not have beenthe ideal time to have a
conference.

Jonathan (22:24):
Yeah, no, I, I agree, I and like I said, it's, I don't
.
I wasn't there, so I don't haveany like hardcore proof on this
.
I just saw some social mediaposts, some tiktoks going around
, authors there or booksellersor vendors who are just like,
hey, this isn't what I signed upfor.
I hope it changes.

Kelly (22:44):
I think finances are playing a big role.

Jonathan (22:45):
And maybe that's just their POV.
Maybe the rest of it wasamazing.

Kelly (22:51):
I think finances play a big role in people's choice in
attending a conference.
If your finances are tighterthis year and you, you know, you
went to three conventions lastyear and now you can only go to
two who's going to make the cut?

Mari (23:04):
Right, it's true, it's true.
Well, we will see.
That'll be a developing news.
Anything else anybody wants totalk about in the news?

Ashley (23:12):
I saw a rumor about three hours ago and the rumor
was that on goodreads there wasan empyrean number four listed
as releasing in november 2025.
What I did not get a chance tovalidate said rumor today.

Jonathan (23:34):
We were a little busy.
What's the source of that?

Ashley (23:37):
it was tiktok, but they were showing like screenshots of
it's there right now.
I'm pulling it up.
Now it is the book talkers,don't lie, I'm looking at it
right now it is right now yeahit is right now, it's still up.

Mari (23:48):
Imperial number four by rebecca yaros, not yet published
expected 30 november 25 that'swild interesting.

Jonathan (23:57):
Do you want me to go sit outside target right now?

Ashley (24:01):
we don't stop the target , but we will for this just in
case there's two differentversions, I mean special
releases and whatnot yeah so,rebecca, I don't know what
you're up to, ma'am two books inone year again.
You said you weren't doing it,you know, didn't?
I see that she did release.

Jonathan (24:13):
She's doing a giveaway and she released a new.
Was it like owl crate orsomething like that?
I don't doing it, you know,didn't?
I see that she did release?
She's doing a giveaway and shereleased a new.
Was it like owl crate orsomething like that?

Ashley (24:21):
I don't think it was I don't know if it was owl crate,
but I did see that she was doinglike new sprayed edges this was
that too, but there was.

Jonathan (24:31):
There was a new, like very limited edition oh, I don't
know version of fourth wing soit was like all black binding
and stuff that could beinteresting.

Mari (24:41):
I I am a sucker for black binding, especially if it's
black binding with, like gold orsilver, shiny foiling sold that
is.
That is the uh way to mybookcase.
Yes, it's interesting thatthere are 790 ratings on this
posting on Goodreads.
That is literally nothing, butthere's 790 ratings, none of

(25:01):
which are talking about an ARC,so it's not like there's an
advanced reader copy that anyonehas read.
Why, how?

Ashley (25:06):
I don't know.
I saw it pop up on my feedtoday and I was like that's
interesting.
And then it was like 2025.
And I was like that's way moreinteresting.
Because, she said she wasn'tdoing it.

Mari (25:19):
I mean, unless she got over.
I know she was having a lot ofanxiety and maybe she was able
to work through that and get itout, who knows?
So we'll see.

Ashley (25:28):
Listen if she spits out four books in the time that
Sarah hasn't released anythingin five years.
Sarah's got some explaining todo.

Jonathan (25:37):
I'll drop this link to this, to this in our chat real
quick.

Ashley (25:41):
I mean, I suspect that the date is definitely wrong.
Yeah, but I wonder how far outwe are now from book four,
because I wasn't.
I was definitely anticipatinglike 27.

Jonathan (25:52):
Yeah Well, I you know, my TPR is forever long There'll
be plenty of things to read inbetween and, yeah, I mean I

(26:12):
think we'll enjoy them when theycome out.
So I, yeah, I'm excited to getsome books by authors that we
enjoy.
But all in their good time,want to look at that, the video
from that giveaway, because itis.
It looks to me like a verybeautifully style.

Ashley (26:20):
Now I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, it's like solid blackmaria, you gotta check it out
it's it's.

Jonathan (26:25):
It comes in a solid black case, but when you open it
up it's got all the dragonscale colorways across the front
and a rainbow I think it's hergiveaway and then on the back,
it's it's, it's got a, it's whatdoes have a gold spine, and
then the back is all black.
It looks lovely, and so youmight be familiar with this.
Is it fabulistic?

Mari (26:46):
I don't.
I don't think I've ever gottenanything by them by that company
.
It's fab yeah, fabulistic ishow I would pronounce it, but I
haven't gotten anything by them.
That is really pretty andalmost like a little rainbow
dragon scale.

Jonathan (26:59):
And there's a few other editions coming out.

Mari (27:01):
Very pretty, very pretty, interesting, interesting.
We'll see, we'll see.
I have finite space and Ialready have several very pretty
versions of it, since I got thespecial edition one and then I
got the one that she signed, sonow I have to keep them both.
So we'll see, we'll see.
But yeah, it looks reallypretty, looks really.
So we'll see, we'll see whatelse they release.

(27:23):
Anything else, news wise,before we move on.
Nope, that was it all right.
So we are going to be talkingabout Filthy Rich Fae.
We started reading this becausewe wanted to go ahead and start
reading some of the authors thatwere going to be at the Fabled
Fantasy Romanacy Con eventthat's happening in Orlando in
October, and this is one of theauthors that's going to be there

(27:44):
.
When I suggested this book, Ididn't realize that this series
is kind of a spinoff series ofanother one of her series, which
is Filthy Rich Vampires, Ibelieve.
So my bad, but I don't think itnecessarily suffered too much
by not having read the firstseries, which is Filthy Rich
Vampires, I believe.
So my bad, but I don't think itnecessarily suffered too much
by not having read the firstseries.
It's like a four-part series, Ithink.
It's billed as a standalone.
Just if you want more context,there's more, all right.

(28:07):
So this was published June 25th2024.
It's part of the Filthy RichFae series, which is two books,
and let me read the synopsis andthen we'll get into it.
In new orleans, one rule standsabove the rest never cross the
gage crime family.
Their word is law.
Their enemies disappear andtheir prince lethal, beautiful
and utterly inhuman does notgrant mercy.

(28:28):
Kate holloway has spent herlife avoiding them until her
brother makes a mistake thatcannot be undone.
Now, to save him, she must facelachlan gage, the Dark Prince
of the City's Underworld.
But Lachlan doesn't deal inmoney or favors.
He deals in souls.
Bound by a bargain she neverwanted, kate is dragged into a
world she never should have seen, where shadows whisper, secrets

(28:49):
, fey courts plot in the darkand her captor is far more than
just a crime lord.
With only thirty days to breakthe curse that binds her, kate
has two choices Outwit theruthless Fae who holds her fate,
or surrender to the dangeroustemptation he offers.
Because if she falls, she won'tjust lose her soul, she'll lose

(29:12):
her heart to the one being sheswore to hate.
Spoiler warning Kelly.

Kelly (29:17):
We've said several times, Mari, we're not doing spoiler
warnings anymore.

Mari (29:19):
Okay, I will take it out.
What did we think of thisoverall?

Ashley (29:23):
I loved this book and Jonathan mocks me for it, even
though we're not supposed toyuck each other's yums, but I
love this book.
In fact, I loved it so much Iwas like I wonder if book two is
out.
Oh it is.
This is great.
What I didn't know is that itwas a trilogy and book three is
not out.

Mari (29:41):
Oh, I didn't know that If I had to give any warning to
anybody?

Ashley (29:46):
it's you can finish book one, but don't don't don't
tread into book two, becausebook three is not out yet, guys.

Mari (29:54):
Does book two end on a cliffhanger Book?

Ashley (29:56):
two ended not out yet, guys, does book two end on a
cliffhanger?
Book two ended not on acliffhanger that I felt like
book one ended on, but I neededmore.
Okay it was, I could have heldpeacefully at book one and now
I'm tortured after book two.
They hooked you, she got me,she got me good.

(30:19):
So this was a solid four for meoverall.
I don't know if I would read itagain, but I will definitely be
finishing it and I willprobably dabble into her other
worlds okay, anybody who wantsto go next?
don't everybody jump at once.
I'll go.
I'll go now.
I'll jump in.
I'll just I'll dive.

Jonathan (30:34):
I'll dive in face first.
That's what I'm known for.
I'm not no looking, justleaping, I'm going to give it a
three.
I thought you know Ashley didenjoy it and, and that's it's
cool, ashley's favorite meal isalso chicken nuggets and ketchup
, right, so you know?
Oh, she's giving me a look.
That's poor, bad husband thing.
Is that what I did there?

(31:06):
Sorry, my bad, I'm giving you alook from here for her.
I'm sorry.
I know, I thought it was, Ithought it was a, I thought it
had potential, I thought it wasa and it was an okay plot.
I got lost.
It took it.
I feel like there was a chunkof the book that didn't need to
be there and then the chunk ofbook that did need to be there
wasn't there, and in theepilogue I was like hold on what
happened.
I was just it, just it went off.

(31:26):
The rails took a turn, I didn'tget there.
It got there, I didn't getthere.

Mari (31:31):
Kelly, what'd you think?

Kelly (31:33):
I really didn't care for this book.
I thought it jumped around alot.
I thought it didn't make sensein a lot of ways.
Essentially this was a mafiabook disguised as a fey book, so
it just wasn't my jam.
I didn't really think thecharacter development was all
that great and there were a lotof things that just kind of

(31:54):
didn't work for me.
Things that just kind of didn'twork for me.
And let me just say I knew itwas a hundred percent fiction
when somebody called a hospitalCEO and just said hire more
nurses to fix your shortstaffing and that magically
happened because that wouldnever fucking happen.

Jonathan (32:09):
That's correct, you're , you're, you're absolutely
right, kelly.
That very intuitive of you.
I I definitely see recruitingreports and it ain't that easy.

Mari (32:20):
What would you give it, Kelly?
What number did you give it?

Jonathan (32:22):
Two.

Mari (32:22):
Two, yeah, I was not a huge fan as well.
I had somewhat high hopesbecause I love New Orleans.
I was like, ooh, a Faye storyset in New Orleans, I'm in, but
I feel like this could have beenset anywhere it didn'tae.
Story set in New Orleans, I'min, but I feel like this could
have been set anywhere.
It didn't have to happen in NewOrleans, I feel like.

(32:43):
I think, like Kelly, I feellike this was pretty much a
mafia love story.
It's a mafia romance, nothingwrong with that.
I just tend to not be a big fanof those.
I don't think I've read anythat I like be a big fan of
those.
I don't think I've read anythat I like.
And there was too much likemafia gunplay, like macho, real

(33:04):
world-ish aspect of it to thestory and too little like fey
magic.
Why is this even happening?
Why are they collecting souls?
What is going on?
For me and if I wasn't readingit like, I don't want to give it
a bad number because I don'tthink it's the author's fault
that I finished this book Ifinished this book because of

(33:24):
the podcast.
If I had been reading it on myown, I would have DNF'd it as
soon as I realized how mafiaromance heavy it is, just
because that's not my jam, sofor me it was a three.

Ashley (33:48):
It was fine, it just wasn't for me.
So what do we think about theworld building?
Deep into the lore in book one,and he's definitely more like
like you were saying, like macho, like caveman, like super, you
know, hard-headed and stubbornand why, why?
Why are we even here, right?
So I think the world buildingagain had a lot of potential and

(34:12):
I think this probably wouldhave made a better visual story.
You know, like we've said thata few times, I think in the last
year, is you know TV series oreven movie?
Yeah, I think, like that toJonathan's point, like the plot
was there, I had just not beenemotionally prepared for it
being more than two books, sothat was disappointing to me.

Jonathan (34:57):
No-transcript felt like just a shitty city, like it
felt and he had control overthe city, like when you read
other books that have that takenew orleans into into account,
like that's the space in whichthose those books take place.
But it didn't feel like it waslike end of the world, like one

(35:20):
family runs this town mafiastyle, right, or at least that
it's known um.
But yeah, it sounds like thisis just like there's this, it
there's just a forced blendingof reality.
It's maybe, maybe, it's maybe,maybe.
It ventures down like uncannyvalley.
It's a little too close.
Like it's like leave out, likeI don't need to know if you've

(35:43):
got a range rover or a birkinbag I need I don't.
I I want to know if you live,you can live in, like metropolis
, like you know.
Come create the fake.
You know you're, you're this,you're in the Southern part of
the country and give me anambiguous space that you live in
and it can have some like youdon't need the French quarter,

(36:06):
but maybe you got the Francequadrant you know, something
like that you know and you andyou can take me, take me, put my
toe on the line, but when you,when you take me, put my toe on
the line, but you, when you,when you take me to into the
reality space, and then you makeit so far-fetched like the idea
that that this is happening, itjust maybe that's why it didn't

(36:28):
work and that's justspeculation as to like I.
I'm trying to think what makesother books or other series that
have a similar approach work.
I kept seeing like and I keptstruggling, trying to like I had
trope misidentificationsyndrome.
I don't know if that's a thingsorry I like throughout this
whole world space, I couldn'tdecide if it was like forced

(36:49):
proximity, faded mates, or likeor stockholm syndrome, like I
couldn't figure that out, and sothen I kept getting detached
the more I thought about it inthis and we didn't get like.
What was the name for the otherplace?

Mari (37:04):
Which other place what?

Jonathan (37:05):
do you mean?
There was like the fae worldand the real world.
What was the other place called?

Ashley (37:09):
It was just Faerie, wasn't it?
I don't know, I'm not sure.

Jonathan (37:13):
The idea that you can go to this other place.
I would.
Maybe I would have liked tohear more about going to this
other space that you know.
But it was like, hey, we canlive here and we exist here and
that's cool, but it's kind ofshitty over here.
Let's go get some wi-fi, likeand you know, like that, I don't
know, I'm gonna, I'll tell youright now.

(37:33):
I would give in, I get to livein that hotel.
I'm yours.
Take, take me, I'll be homeevery night.
Cool Curfew, what time.

Ashley (37:40):
I'm not even leaving no questions asked.

Jonathan (37:42):
No questions asked.
I don't have to do anything,you got it Cool.
Anyway, for world building Ishould give it a two.

Mari (37:47):
Okay, kelly.

Kelly (37:48):
I think pretty much the same Interesting.
We just cribbed a bunch of theclassic Fae stuff and gave them
guns.
Guns I mean really a lot of.
It felt like it was cribbedsomewhat from Underworld, where
you had vampires in Underworldwho had bullets that could kill
werewolves and werewolvesdeveloped bullets that could

(38:10):
kill vampires, so it just becamea shooting movie.

Mari (38:13):
Yeah.

Kelly (38:18):
And this is the same thing.
Oh, the Fy have developedbullets that can kill other fey.
Okay, I mean, I don't know howthat really was all that
dramatic, but whatever it just Idon't know, just didn't do it
for me.
This I didn't think it was thekind of world building I enjoyed
, so I said it just had to be atwo yeah for me.

Mari (38:35):
I gave it a three just because I was trying to give her
the benefit of the doubt,because I didn't realize that
this series was like a sequel oran answer to her first series.
So I'm making the assumptionthat some of the stuff may have
been fleshed out and we justdon't know about it.
I feel like the author createda world with different courts

(38:58):
and probably some differentintricacies in the courts.
I just don't feel like shebrought that across to the
reader.
I feel there was more that justdidn't come across.
I wanted to know more butultimately it felt very much
like a gang warfare, mafiawarfare situation in a major
like major city.
So I just left it at averagebecause I'm I'm going on the

(39:21):
benefit of the doubt that stuffwas maybe more fleshed out in
the vampire series before this,so I gave it a three.
What do we think about theromance?

Ashley (39:29):
this romance felt fairly typical of the faded mates
trope.
I maybe there was a little bitmore resistance, you know, and
you don't get a lot, of, a lotmore detail in book one, though
you do in book two.
You definitely see things, youknow decisions that he made

(39:50):
because of her, and I think theending was probably a little bit
more tragic and sacrificialthan we've seen in a while, like
it was almost, you know, edwardcullen disappearing, so that.
Or edward cullen killing, himgetting himself deaded, right,
yeah, because bella, he thoughtbella was dead, or whatever.

(40:10):
Um, who's that twilight gosh, Ilove you so much, you're so
pretty.
So, yeah, I, I thought theromance, you know it, there was
a little bit more resistancethan we've seen in a while.
I wasn't opposed to it, Ithought it was a, I thought it
was a.

Jonathan (40:26):
Three, jonathan, what you think okay, again, I had
trouble with the trope, so Iused what did you say?
It was Ashley, fated Mates,mm-hmm.
So I had those three boxesticked Fated Mates, force,
proximity, and what was it?
Stockholm, mm-hmm.
It was like.
And so here we are with thetimeline in a day timeline, but

(40:49):
much shorter than the last one,although same book length, right
.
So like last year was last, notlast year.
Last time it was like a yearand a day.
Now it's a month and a day.
And she.
So here she is in this forcedproximity because of a bargain
that she made.
But like they dropped theselike very basic hints throughout

(41:11):
the whole book.
He just keeps calling herprincess, okay, princess, okay,
princess, okay, princess, andit's she's not like.
And so from the start, likethat's why I, like I landed on
like faded mates because she,she didn't come to him in a
pretentious way, like when Ihear, when I always think of

(41:32):
space balls when when you know,like when you have that
pretentious princess and it'slike, yeah, okay, princess, okay
, you know, like, all right,cool that's.
I didn't get that vibe from her.
So when they, after they hadmet that first time, and he kept
referring to her as princess, Iwas like that's not really,
it's not really fitting, for youknow, she's, she's the opposite

(41:52):
of this pretentious being.
She doesn't want what he'soffering, she wants to save
someone that she loves so dearly.
All right, so like, so there'sthat.
That's why I was like this islike fated mates, right.
I was very interested to seewhat happens if they, if there
would be like a bangening, ifthey like, would really like,
fuck that magic on and then like, but I didn't quite get that.

(42:13):
And then there was the forcedproximity.
Like yeah, you're here andwe're rich, it's not, you don't
need a whole lot of game, youknow, at that point to win
somebody over.
Like hey, yeah, you're stuckwith me, you can't go anywhere,
and if you do, you're going tocome right back.
You could offer yourself to getout of this.
That's no fun, you get off me.
That's probably not going to befun for you either.
I'm really difficult, I'm fast,but like so.

(42:35):
So then it's like this it leansinto stockholm syndrome where
it's just like okay, well,you're a really nice owner of me
.
Thanks, I like you a lot now.
So so I I'm really strugglingwith the romance side of things
I don't know two and a half,I'll give it two and a half.
Can things I don't know Two anda half, I'll give it two and a
half.
Can I give it two and a half?
Two and a half.
That's where I'm at.

Mari (42:54):
Okay, kelly.

Kelly (42:56):
I agree with Ashley.
I think the romance was thefairly typical faded mates crap
which, if people like that, hey,more power to you.
I don't find it particularlycompelling.

Mari (43:12):
I just didn't do anything for me, so I just gave it a two.
Actually, I'll say one thingbefore I say what I want to say
about romance.
I forgot to say back in theworld building, something that
happened early on in the book.
That got my expectations upalong with the whole.
It being in New Orleans is inthe very first scene in the
hospital.
They talk about like having theclothes, some of the clothes on
backwards, some people havingsome of the clothes on backwards
, some people having some of theclothes on backwards.

(43:32):
I was like, oh cool, they'rebringing in like folktale stuff
about the fey, like old.
You know, supposedly if youwear an article of clothing
inside out, you can't beglamored by the fey.
That's like an old folktalething.
So I was like, oh, that'sreally neat.
And and then everything wentdownhill from there for me, for
my expectations.
So romance kind of romance wasreally bad for me in this one.

(43:57):
I don't know if it's because Iwas already not vibing with the
book, but I felt like it wasvery.
These are the two characters,therefore they will be together.
I did not feel like it was FatedMates because I didn't feel
like there was any.
There was no prophecy.
There was no like physicalresponse.
I didn't think there wasanything.

(44:18):
I couldn't tell what wasbringing them together.
What was pulling them together?
To be honest, I feel like thering had something to do with it
.
I think he called her.
Mind you, I've only read thisbook.
I didn't read the sequel.
I feel like she's probably somesort of secret royalty or
something and he was able totell that because of the ring
and that's why he calls herprincess.

(44:38):
That was my thought as I wasreading it.
But just because she's royaltydoesn't necessarily mean that
they're fated, because I meanthere were other royal fay that
he wasn't necessarily fated to.
I felt like this was a trying todo like a hate, hate to love
kind of thing, enemies to lovers, in that you know she hates him

(45:00):
because he brings this druginto the town that's killing all
these people that she has tosee die in her emergency room,
shift after shift.
And then she meets him and it'soh wait, but he's hot and I
guess that was it.
That was enough for likeromance for her, the vibe I got
anyways, yeah, and the fact thatit was never the drug thing was

(45:25):
never addressed.
It was just like, oh, I didn'tknow.
People were dying like thesepuny little humans were dying.
I don't know.
Maybe it's because I didn'tlike him, but for me the romance
was a one.
This was very Barbie and Kendoll.
Stick them together.
Situation.

Jonathan (45:40):
So it's a one romance for me.
I think you just complicated itfor me because you've added a
fourth rope for me Enemies tolovers Because I wasn't thinking
about that.
But when you said that, yeahabout that.
But when you said that, yeah,and I, I agree with you with the
whole, like you know, like.
So there I think there are two,like there's the common theme,
or three, three themes thatmaybe run throughout parts of

(46:01):
the book one, where he keepscalling her a princess.
Two is the ring, like that orthat came up early didn't come
up often but came up early.
And the third one's like yeah,nobody's ever bound by the, was
it not the fasting?
Is it fasting?
Fastening, then, like tying theknot, kind of thing, hand
fasting, hand fasting handfasting like and.

(46:21):
But so I'm like, you know, likeright, but yeah, so there's
like now I've got, now I'm up tolike four tropes that I can't
decide which one it's going andonly ash Ashley knows.
I'll have to wait for her offthe mic to tell me, but like, so
now I want to call it acornotropia.

Mari (46:36):
You write it down, you write it down.

Ashley (46:38):
I'm going to forget it in a minute.

Mari (46:39):
You figure out how to spell that Cornotropia?

Jonathan (46:43):
Cornotropia yeah.

Ashley (46:51):
We got the smash magic, cornotropia banging.
That's where we're at so far.
What do we think about thespice?
Oh, I think I think you get alot of tension in book one.
You get a tiny little dabblespice because she's she's trying
to fight all her feelings,right?
She feels she feels some typeof way, and so that's fine.
I wasn't opposed to spice.
I thought it was.
You know, I thought it was agood amount of spice.
I'm glad that there was somespice.

(47:13):
We've had some books latelywhere there's not any spice, so
I'm glad that the spice is back.
I'm here for that.
But I think it was like a twoand a half.
I didn't think it wasparticularly spicy, but it was
more than just salt and pepper.
Jonathan.

Jonathan (47:34):
Yeah, no, yeah no.
I you know when it, when ithappened, cool, I don't think it
happened a whole bunch, so I Iwould say I'm gonna give it a,
I'm gonna give it a three, butyou know it's a.
There's an asterisk next to it,that's all.
I don't have a whole lot to sayabout it, though, so okay,
that's all I got.

Ashley (47:50):
That's all I have to say about that kelly I also gave it
a three.

Kelly (47:57):
I mean it felt like it was fairly typical of most of
the romance fantasy books we'veread.
As far as the spice goes, itwasn't a whole lot, it wasn't a
whole little, just felt kind ofaverage for me.

Mari (48:10):
I thought that the spice was like a three and a half
bordering on a four, like Ithink it was probably the the
best thing that was done in thebook.
I don't think there wasanything particularly memorable
about any of the spice scenes,but I thought that they were
fine when they were done, likethey didn't seem forced, like I
did feel like they weregenerally physically attracted

(48:32):
to each other, like Her gettingover her.
I hate you, I want to fuck youthing, and then she just went
for it.
I still don't understand why hewas being so weird about it.
I don't know if that'sexplained in the second book,
why he was being so reticentabout everything.
I assumed there was more, wasmore going on.
So yeah, I'd say three and ahalf for spice for me.

(48:54):
On this one final question dowe think it's a kissing book?

Ashley (48:58):
yes, I, you guys aren't gonna like that one, but yes,
I'm also influenced because I'veread book two, but I don't
think that you get past thefirst couple of chapters without
it being a kissing book okay,jonathan I don't think it's a
kissing book yet and I thinkthis it could be a kissing
series in the future, but Ithink I don't think it's a

(49:21):
kissing book kelly

Kelly (49:23):
I also don't think it's a kissing book I.

Mari (49:26):
I think it is a kissing book because I don't think that.
I don't think that the thingswould have happened that
happened if, if they hadn't beenromantically involved, like I
think he would have.
Just I don't know, withoutknowing what's going on with
that ring, I think he would havejust either brushed her off and
never given her the the youknow potential for a bargain, um
, or he might have just I don'tknow, seen it to the end of the

(49:48):
bargain.
So I think there had to be somesort of interest between them
like that for the events thathappened in the book to happen.
So I'm going to say yes, it's akissing book.
Anything else you want to sayabout the book?

Jonathan (50:01):
I think it would make a great television series.
I don't think it would be afantastic movie.
It left me I feel like it leftme unread, but I think if you so
, if, if you're the author,you're out here listening cool.
Thanks for sticking around solong.

Ashley (50:18):
I'm sorry about my ratings, um, but or comparing
her to chicken nuggets andketchup oh my bad.

Jonathan (50:24):
Why are you bringing up old shit?

Ashley (50:26):
because you're the one that tried to throw me under the
bus.
Bro, it's called retaliation.

Jonathan (50:31):
Yeah, I think maybe try because I'm not an expert,
right but maybe try making afictional southern Louisiana
city to sprout this thing up,Because then you could get like
you pull, like the Batman Jokerkind of thing, Like you're, you
know it's there and you knowlike bad stuff happens, but it's

(50:55):
this fictional, fictional city.
It's just too close to it's tooclose to reality, Right, but
then also go back and forthbetween the two worlds a little
more often.

Mari (51:06):
Yeah.

Jonathan (51:06):
Help me build that space.

Mari (51:07):
Yeah, I wanted to see more of the Fae world as well.
I I wanted to there'd be moreinvolvement in that and more of
that being fleshed out.
I will say I do think this is agreat book.
If you have a friend or afamily member who's into like
mafia romance stories and maybeyou want to try and lure them
into fantasy like, this is agreat stepping stone between
like mafia romance and fantasyand romancy stories I.

Jonathan (51:31):
I brought that up at dinner tonight.
I told my sister.
I said, hey, we read this book.
I was like I didn't think itwas extremely spectacular, but
Ashley did.
I think you'll like it, and Ithink she just heard me say that
.
Let me recommend this book thatI didn't really like.

Ashley (51:48):
Oh.

Jonathan (51:49):
Just shut down, but I think that she correct me if I'm
wrong.
Ash, is that her, is that sortof her vibe?
Does she like some of that?

Ashley (51:55):
um, she's not opposed to dark romances, which can
include the mafia romance genre.
I think she leans a little bitmore towards happy, fluffy
stories though, okay, like thecowboys and the sports romances
and the why chooses.
But she's not opposed, I don'tthink.
But you didn't really sell iteither, dear.

Kelly (52:16):
No, I stopped because it got awkward.

Ashley (52:18):
Sorry my bad.
I hope Geneva Lee hears youcompare her to chicken nuggets
and ketchup.

Jonathan (52:26):
I'm totally going to speak to her at the convention
and let her know that she's theinspiration.
I'll probably give her a prize.

Ashley (52:37):
She's going to.
She's going to speak to her atthe convention and let her know
that she's the inspiration.
I'll probably give her a prizeshe's gonna.

Jonathan (52:40):
She's gonna.
Yes, she has won the 2025cornotropia award.
I don't know what it looks like, but you know, if you get
anything out of this cornotropiaaward 2025 cornotropia award
goes to you okay, okay, anythingelse about this book?

Ashley (52:52):
I am eagerly awaiting january for book three is that
when the third one's coming outare you gonna read the, the
vampire ones, the ones before itI have not read the other ones,
but I think I will try them seeif it flushes it out.
I actually caught her on tiktokyesterday where she was kind of
doing like a Q&A, so it musthave been a live and then they
just dropped it into a videoright.

(53:12):
But she was very clear that youdon't have to read the other
series to be able to enjoy thisone.
So as you were answering allthe questions, hoping for more
context of the world in theFilthy Rich Vampire series, I
was like nope in my head.

(53:33):
Nope, that's not what she said.
No, no, um, but apparently Ithink what she was saying and I
I didn't exactly hone in on itis that she I think she said she
does contemporary romances andthat there's like a lot, a lot
of books that she does in hercontemporary romances and that
she, she always tries to leaveit to where she can say that

(53:57):
she's never like a thousandpercent done with each couple's
story.
She likes to leave, you know,the door open for you know, the
same world of the series, butmaybe different characters, but
also the same characters.
Like she's never, she's never,just done.
So.
I thought that was reallyinteresting and I I enjoyed
listening to her q a on tiktokyesterday.

(54:19):
I don't mind a mafia romance.
I mean, if we're gonna make funof somebody's taste, like look
who I married, right, like he's.
He's a little macho, he's alittle alpha, he's a little fifa
, fofum, um, so it appeals to meobviously is there a staring

(54:39):
contest happening over thereright now?

Jonathan (54:41):
no, he's, he's ignoring me I'm writing a
definition for cornotropia rightnow okay that's a really good
one.

Ashley (54:48):
High praise for that good job dear.
I love a good pun.
I'm not good at them, but Ienjoy them.

Mari (54:53):
All right, unless we have anything else, I'm going to go
ahead and start to wrap it up.
All good, yes.

Ashley (54:59):
Geneva.
We hope to see you in October.
Yes, absolutely.

Mari (55:02):
Before I go into our little outro thing, I will say
we got a review, we did, we didyou, we did.
Yeah, somebody reposted us intheir story on Instagram.
It's christianhandelH-A-N-D-E-L and he's actually an
author.
He writes fantasy books, butthey're in German.
I couldn't find where they weretranslated anywhere.

(55:26):
But if you speak German, if youread German, if you're wanting
to read some German stories, youmight want to check out his
fantasy works.
But he posted some pictures ofour.
We posted some of our stufffrom Instagram.
He said just a few days agoI've discovered Romanacy podcast
of Swords and Soulmates andit's so good.
I am more a fantasy guy than aRomanacy guy, but I just binged
a handful of episodes as theyare so good and entertaining, I

(55:49):
guess.
Thank you very much of Swordsand Soulmates for this truly
wonderful podcast.
I mostly like that.
The hosts have a great partabout bookish news in each and
every episode.
I thought that was sweet.
That's so thoughtful.

Jonathan (56:00):
Yeah, follow Christian .

Mari (56:01):
And Christian.
If you ever get your bookstranslated to English, let us
know, please.
Please, sign us up, yeah.

Jonathan (56:09):
Oh, I'm not gonna lie.
I'm looking at this one on here.
I'm not going to be able to sayit.
I'm going to try it.
Fiend Flitch the second you seeit.
Actually, you're going to knowthat's my gal.

Ashley (56:22):
Oh no.

Jonathan (56:23):
I can't.
I don't know what he's tellingme.

Ashley (56:35):
I'm going to have to read this with my meta glasses.
Glasses, have it translate foryou.

Jonathan (56:38):
Yeah, oh, it's like it's my, it's my, my dream woman
, her silhouette like?
Is it like adele?

Mari (56:40):
no think dream villainous like horns with like a big cape
situation and some claws, fine,right there's a claw and there's
, there's horns.

Ashley (56:52):
I didn't know that was your type.

Jonathan (56:53):
That's my type.

Ashley (56:54):
Interesting.

Mari (56:55):
Ein finster Fluch.
Dein Wunsch soll ehrfüll werden.

Ashley (57:01):
Well see, now I need to know what that translates to.

Jonathan (57:03):
Somebody drop that into a translator.
Dream lady, that's what itsounds like.

Mari (57:08):
Christian message us.
We need to know now Christian,we need to know.

Jonathan (57:13):
I could probably just, if only there was a whole
computer program.

Ashley (57:17):
Well, you're the one in front of the computer.
I asked you to check it out,Okay let me take a look here.
I need closure.

Mari (57:22):
Let's see, let me just do some little A fairy in disguise,
a grim curse that's whatInstagram translation is giving
me.

Jonathan (57:30):
What's it saying?

Mari (57:31):
it says a fairy in disguise, a grim curse.
Do you like atmospheric fairytale adaptations that follow the
dark roots of old stories yetsurprise you with unexpected
twists and strong characters?
Then follow calith and thewizard thorn into the heart of
the fairy realm.
Calith wants to do theimpossible challenge the 13

(57:52):
fairy queens to become aterrible curse or to break sorry
.
To break a terrible curse andredeem the castle that sleeps
beneath the thorns and all ofits inhabitants.
Fairy Curse is a romanticadaptation of the sleeping
beauty fairy tale that takes youdeep into the realm of fairies.
Be released October 31st 2025.

Ashley (58:11):
Christian.

Mari (58:12):
That's right up our 31st, 2025.

Ashley (58:16):
Christian.
That's right up our alley.
Yeah, my guy, other thanlanguage, you gotta help us out,
you can't.
The torture.

Jonathan (58:21):
Yeah, I'll, even I'll probably Christian.
If you get these translated inEnglish, I'll make up a word for
you.

Ashley (58:26):
So tempting yeah.

Mari (58:28):
All right, thanks for tempting.
Yeah, all right, thanks forlistening to of swords and
soulmates.
Before we go, make sure tocheck the show notes, rate and
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(58:51):
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And last but not least, we hopeyou'll join us in two weeks for
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Dismemberment byment by al brody, another author that's also set

(59:13):
to appear at the romancy conevent.
Bye, bye, bye you.
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