Tropes - Enemies to Lovers: When Hate Ignites Passion - Of Swords and Soulmates

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Mari (00:32):
Hello and welcome to Of Swords and Soulmates, a podcast
where we read, watch and discussromanticist stories.
I'm one of your hosts, mari,and with me I have Kelly.

Kelly (00:36):
Hey everyone, it's Kelly.
We also have Ashley.

Ashley (00:38):
Hey guys, it's Ashley.
We also have Jonathan.

Jonathan (00:41):
Hey y'all.
It's me JP, and I prefer Cocoa.
Puffs I prefer Fru fruitypebbles over cocoa pebbles Just
going in for the deep stufftoday.
Yeah, I just like the colorfulpebbles.
The colorful pebbles.

Ashley (00:57):
Do they have a taste difference?
Like for sure.

Jonathan (00:59):
No, it all tastes like sugar, although I will say my
favorite kind of milk ischocolate.
Oh, I feel like that'simportant Because somebody once
I've all tastes like sugar,although I will say my favorite
kind of milk is chocolate.

Ashley (01:05):
Oh, I feel like that's important, because somebody once
I read something once where allthe fruit loops were the same
flavor oh, you know no matterthe color I do, I do.

Jonathan (01:13):
I will say that in the and this is this ties in in the
spirit of of romanacy, withshrek, when shrek and burger
king got together and made theirtheir slushy drink, they made
it green, but they gave it acherry flavor and I think that's
terrible.
Yeah, that's terrible.
It's like if you're gonna make,if you're making red food, it's

(01:36):
gotta taste red.
If you're making green food,make it taste green like
Gatorade.

Ashley (01:41):
Make it taste the color that should be somebody there
should be a candy out there thatwe like oh yeah that.

Mari (01:48):
I love that we're going for the deep stuff I have been
cinnamon toast crunch girl allthe way all the if we were gonna
get the, the sugary cereal,which we didn't do that often,
but when we did it was growingup like it was.
Yeah, it was cinnamon toastcrunch 100 oh, so good that's a
good choice I don't think I'veever had cinnamon toast crunch.

Ashley (02:09):
Are you serious?
I'm not kidding.

Jonathan (02:11):
Well, you know what.
Put it in a cart, put itindividual one, so you don't
have to commit to a whole box.

Mari (02:15):
You know, just in case you don't want the whole box oh,
that's fair.

Ashley (02:19):
You know I love a deal.
I don't like paying full pricefor things that will end up
disappointing me Just a littletaste test.
So the individual one isprobably a very good call, mari,
good job.

Jonathan (02:29):
I'm going to go out on a limb here and just let you
know that there's probably alittle risk that that won't get
eaten in our house.

Mari (02:35):
Kelly, what cereal did you like growing up?
It's covered I think RiceKrispies.
Oh, Rice Krispies are good.

Jonathan (02:41):
Did you do the ad hoc sugar?
No, it's just Rice.
Krispies, sometimes Cheerios.

Kelly (02:45):
That's pretty much it.

Mari (02:47):
Rice Krispies is good.
We do added sugar.
I remember the Captain Crunchtoo was good.
I like Captain Crunch and O'slike Quaker O's cereal that
would tear up the roof of yourmouth but was so good oh, okay,
but we are not here to talkcereal, believe it or not?

Ashley (03:02):
No it.

Kelly (03:02):
But we are not here to talk cereal believe it or not,
today we'll be discussing theenemies to lovers trope.

Mari (03:07):
But first let's discuss a little bit about what a trope is
.
So I think we basically wantedto do some of these episodes
where we kind of just talk ingeneral about tropes and about

(03:27):
some of the things that we kindof throw around and talk about
in some of our more in-depthepisodes.
But not everyone may know whatwe're talking about.
We may not all have the sameshared language or you know
points of reference when we talkabout it.
And this is something I realizesometimes when I get out of my
bubble and talk to people whodon't read a ton of books and I
start to use some of these termsand you see people's eyes

(03:48):
either glaze over or they startasking what do you mean?
So I think it's good to kind ofbreak it down sometimes so
people know what we mean when wesay some of these things.
So in general tropes I knowthat before I got into reading a
lot of books and reviewing themand talking about them and

(04:10):
doing social media stuff withbooks, I kind of thought of the
word trope as a negative thing.
If something is tropish it'sbad.
But tropes are not necessarily abad thing.
They're basically just aliterary device or storytelling
patterns that authors use asshortcuts for describing books

(04:30):
and stories.
They're not really good,they're not really bad, they're
just a tool like anything else.
And it's kind of like and I'mnot 100% sure I'm using the
right term here, but it's like anomenclature, so you know how,
like when you're scientificallydescribing animals or plants,
you have like the genus and thefamily and all that stuff.
Tropes are kind of like thatfor books.

(04:51):
You can describe a book and youcan say, oh, this is an enemies
to lovers with found family andthere's a, you know one horse
trope and people generally havean idea of what they're getting
into when, when you say thosetropes and you can be.

Jonathan (05:08):
You can be attracted towards like a specific trope as
well, like you might enjoy.
You might find that you enjoycertain styles or certain story
lines, and so when you walk intoa bookstore it can be
overwhelming but they're alltrying to get your attention
shapes.
Well, it's all the same shape,all rectangles.
But yeah, yeah, so, if you like, we're asking for help.
You say, hey, you know what, Ienjoy this type of story.

(05:31):
And they can say, oh, you likethis kind of trope, you like
this trope.
Let me show you five books,three books, two books that have
this trope, exactly.
That's.

Mari (05:40):
Another good way to use tropes is a way to kind of oh, I
like this book, what is itabout this book that I like, and
how can I find others that Imay also like?
Because they have similartropes and tropes do vary from
genre to genre, because genre,of course, is another way you
can kind of figure out whatbooks you like.
You know, maybe you're into inthe mood for horror, maybe you

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want some sci-fi, maybe you wantbiography, maybe you want some
sci-fi, maybe you want biography.
You know, whatever genre you'rein the mood for and you know,
found, family, forced proximity,enemies to lovers.
There's a ton of others, butthose are some of the big ones

(06:34):
you're going to kind of startnoticing over and over again,
used to describe books that tendto be popular in the Romanesie
genre.
I would say Do you guys agree?

Ashley (06:41):
Yeah, yeah, agreed, agreed, agreed agree, yeah, yeah
, agreed, agreed, yeah, no, youdefinitely crush that.
I.
I think of it as like a pattern, a building block.
When I go shopping, am Ilooking for an a-line dress, a
sheath, you know?
Something short, something long, the human brain.

Mari (06:56):
It's an identifier for me you know, that's how we learn
that the berries that are red,that grow on this plant at this
time of year, around this otherplant, are the ones that we can
eat, but the other ones will,like, kill us.
You know, we, we, our brain isgood at categorizing things and
organizing things, and this isjust a way to do that, a way to

(07:19):
play into that, that aspect ofour brain.
So we're going to, in general,as the podcast goes on, talk
about different tropes, but fortoday we're going to focus on
the enemies to lovers.

Jonathan (07:31):
trope I used to think that tropes were like, like I,
when I before and before thispodcast is, and this is a great
thing.
So, like kudos to you, I wantto give you like a virtual high
five because, like before, westarted doing this podcast.

Mari (07:46):
If you, would ask me what a trope was.
Don't feed it, yeah.

Jonathan (07:51):
So so, like this is yeah, no, and I don't think it's
just you.

Mari (07:55):
I think there's lots of people who maybe don't know or
don't know that they don't knowyou know.
Sometimes you don't know whatyou don't know, but tropes can
be a good tool to help youfigure out what you like and to
help you better spend your timeand money.
If you're going to put time andmoney into reading or
experiencing a story, hopefullyyou want it to be one that you

(08:17):
enjoy, and so tropes are a waythat you can find those stories
that you enjoy.
So the enemies to lovers trope,specifically, is what we're
talking about today.
It is basically when two ormore characters start the story
off as enemies and then, througha series of events or by
clearing up misunderstandings orother plot points, become

(08:37):
lovers.
It is arguably the most populartrope in the romantic genre.
Like if you look at some of themost popular books in the
romantic genre.
Like if you look at some ofthose popular books in the
romantic genre, the vastmajority of them have, or are
described as having, the enemiesto lovers trope in it and,
thinking about it, I was tryingto figure out why do we think

(09:00):
that's the case?
Why do we think that's sopopular in this genre?

Ashley (09:05):
we love angst, love, angst.
I don't know about the rest ofyou, but like something about
somebody's neck, you want toring only a little bit, like not
completely, but like a littlebit, and then to watch the
evolution of someone change andevolve right right To to be
worthy of the companion.

(09:27):
Yeah, it's pretty, that'spretty heart melting to me.

Jonathan (09:31):
So I think to me it comes down to passion.
I think passion at its root isto suffer and I think suffering
in the beginning of thesestories is common.
As we introduce conflict into amore modern way of looking at
passion, which would beromantically, and I think the

(10:13):
characters move into this story,move through the stories and
begin to shift from that thepassion, or the suffering
portion of passion, intocompassion and suffering with
each other, which then evolvesinto love.
Does that make sense To me?

(10:34):
I think that's an easiertransformational.

Ashley (10:38):
So you're going to suffer, but you're going to like
it.

Mari (10:40):
You're going to suffer, so good, correct, yeah, I agree oh
yes.
I think what I like aboutenemies to lovers is two things.
I think I always like it when achange of perspective changes
the story.
So like maybe the events arethe same, but when you look at
it from a different perspectiveyou feel something different
about it, Like the other day Ithink it was the last episode we

(11:03):
were talking about Wicked.
Wicked doesn't change theevents from the Wizard of Oz.
Wicked is a prequel by anotherauthor and everything that
happens in the Wizard of Ozstill happens.
But because we see a differentperspective of it, we feel
different about it afterwatching or reading the Wizard

(11:24):
of Oz than if we hadn't seenWicked.
And I think that enemies tolovers the way it's resolved,
it's either one of two waysEither there was a
misunderstanding and whatevercaused these people to be
enemies isn't actually so, orsomeone actually does change

(11:46):
their viewpoint or theiralliance.
And I think that idea that wecan all change, we can all be
better, we can all do better andthat even if we are at our
worst, we're still worthy oflove in the end, I think that's
very we can, we're still worthyof love, you know, in the end.

(12:07):
I think that's very appealingabout that, that trope.
I tend to like it as well, forthe most part, kelly.
How about you?
yeah, I agree yeah, and I thinkit it it leads to really
interesting story writing,because you do have to establish
why these people hate eachother.
You have to establish, youestablish what it is about it
that is pulling them apart, andyet there has to be that tension

(12:30):
, and then you have to resolvethe whole thing in a believable
way when it's done well, ofcourse.
When it goes wrong, that's whenyou have cliches, you have
predictable things happening andyou have potentially toxic
relationships.
You have predictable thingshappening and you have
potentially toxic relationships.
So if you have someone abusingthe other person and all of a
sudden they're okay with it,that's not necessarily an enemy.

(12:53):
So that may just be an abusiveor toxic relationship.
Yeah, yeah.

Jonathan (12:59):
Stockholm syndrome.
I thought about that too.
I was like cause it could belike.
When I was trying to think oflike examples, like very like
super broad and availableexamples that would be that
everybody would know about andmaybe not even realize that
that's what it was the like.
I initially started thinkinglike what's, what's the low
hanging fruit?

(13:20):
Is that an appropriate phrase?
I don't even know where thatstems from, but but I
immediately was drawn to likeall right, well, what are the
stories that I knew as a kid andwhat do they?
How would they relate?
And the one that I crossed offalmost immediately was like
beauty and the beast, because Ithought it's like more like
imprisonment, like stockholmsyndrome I wouldn't say you're

(13:43):
off base.

Mari (13:44):
I think it depends on how the story?
is told.
You know, I think that could beconsidered an enemies to lover
situation, but it could also bestockholm syndrome.
I mean, ultimately, you knowthey're enemies because the
beast imprisoned her father andshe goes to save her.
But you know, the beauty goesto save her father.
But you know the beauty goes tosave her father and you know

(14:04):
it's the, you know, the personwho has imprisoned her father
wrongly.
She gives herself in herfather's place.
So there's, they're definitelyenemies, you know, then he
learns, he changes and hebecomes a better character and
she gets a better viewpoint ofwhat he was going through.
And then you have enemies tolovers.

(14:26):
Um, so.

Jonathan (14:34):
So the tropes can be impacted by a reader's
perspective and storytellingperspective.
Right so it may.
One reader could look at thesame story and leave with the
idea that this leans towards onetrope, while another reader
could have the same story and itcould play out in their mind as

(14:54):
a different trope.

Mari (15:17):
It was basically people breaking down stories and you
have different experts givingdifferent opinions of it,
especially when you haveclassics or books or stories
where the authors are no longeralive or able to give their
perspective of life or what wasgoing on in the world when they
wrote these books or stories orwhatever, and try and figure out
what they meant or what theywere.
You know what they were tryingto tell.
The enemies to lovers trope hasbeen around a long time,

(15:37):
probably as long as storytellinghas been around.
So early, early examples isPyramus and Thisbe.
So early, early examples isPyramus and Thisbe, which is a

(15:59):
Greek myth which was retold byChaucer and it's also referenced
in A Midsummer Night's Dream.
If you guys have ever seen thatplay or read it or watched the
movie, it's the play within aplay Two people in love whose
families are opposing and one ofthem thinks the other one has
died and kills himself, and thenthe other one does the same
once they realize the first onehas died, which sounds very much
like Romeo and Juliet, which isanother.
Yeah, it's basicallyproto-Romeo and Juliet.
I was just thinking that'samazing Another absolutely

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enemies to lovers story, amongstother things.
I mean, just because somethingis an enemies to lovers story
doesn't mean that's the onlything it is Like.
Romeo and Juliet is an Enemy toLover story, but it also has
comedy and tragedy and otherthings in it.
But yeah, Romeo and Julietdefinitely an early example of
Enemy to Lovers, enemies tolovers.

Ashley (16:47):
and then one of my favorites of early examples of
enemies to lovers is pride andprejudice.
Jane austen love it, everyversion of it.
Yeah, I don't.
I think the only one I haven'tread is like prejudice and
zombies or something like that.
I'm not opposed, I just haven'tgotten to it yet.

Mari (17:03):
Yeah, but yeah, there's not about angst which I read
pride and prejudice zombies.
It was fine, it was fun, youknow for what it was, but yeah,
just so.
You have, of course, theoriginal pride and prejudice.
You have all the more modernretellings of it and versions of
it, and then you have the prideand prejudice storylines that
come into modern stories thataren't exactly retellings but

(17:25):
are definitely influenced by it,like Bridget Jones' Diary is
basically Pride and Prejudice asa modern day story, and you
have them being, I guess,strangers at first but enemies
pretty, pretty early on in thestory, and then the entire plot
is them coming to realize.
Oh wait, maybe we're notenemies, maybe these feelings I

(17:47):
have are actually something else, maybe the other person's not
so bad.

Ashley (17:50):
Yeah, I always think it's like the exploration of
each other, right.
That, like I feel like this islike a common theme that Kelly
often complains about.
Like if somebody would justfucking communicate, yeah, we
would have so significantly lessproblems, right, and so that's
I, that's, that's the bridge,right.

(18:11):
That's how you cross from thenegative into the positive in
the storytelling.
Is just getting that history,that context that you know that
clue and the dots connect.
And then you take a deep breathand you're like, well shit,
maybe you know the wicked witchof the west really wasn't all
that bad.

Jonathan (18:32):
You know are you saying that communication is the
catalyst for the lover, thetransition to lovers, and a
hundred percent yes it is thefastest catalyst okay, the
fastest.

Ashley (18:44):
I feel like that's key here, because there are other
ways Shit will get figured out.
It's just going to take a lotlonger, gotcha.

Mari (18:52):
And then there's more modern day popular examples.
For example, just in general,not even romantic Star Wars,
very popular across readers andnon-readers alike.
You know the newest star warsmovies?
You have raylo, you have rayand kylo ren, classic enemies to
lovers wow, I even have on myon my list.

(19:15):
I even have like kelly said no,I want to hear what kelly has
to say about raylo.

Kelly (19:21):
Yeah, no, nerve hurt nerve hurt the kylo ren ray
thing, I don't know.
I think that was.
I mean, first of all, thosestar wars movies are a dumpster
fire, second of all.
Second of all, I think some ofthat is yeah don't hold back,
kelly.
There may have been some subtextin there, but I think a lot of

(19:41):
that, like a lot of fandom, isfans deciding that these people
must be together.
That you know.
That's where the relationshipis.
It's the fan fiction of no, no,no, no.
I don't like that.
Draco and Hermione didn't hookup, so I'm going to write a book
, a bunch of books where Dracoand Hermione hooked up

(20:03):
no-transcript.
Because that's the way itshould be, and you can't
convince me otherwise because Iknow better than the original
author.

Ashley (20:10):
Damn right.

Jonathan (20:11):
Well it's a classic thing, it's called shipping.

Kelly (20:14):
And it's just when, basically, the audience decides
that whatever subtextual thingsthere are in a relationship mean
that the people are in lovewith each other or should be in
love with each other likeprojecting their desires onto
these other characters.

Mari (20:32):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I very, very heavy formative years
for me were the x-files years.
So molder and scully were, were, were very, very fan fiction,
heavy TV show for sure, likethere was so much will they,
won't they for years about thosecharacters.

Kelly (20:51):
And that's a classic plot device of serialized
storytelling anyway.
I mean, you see it in soapoperas, you see it in long
running sitcoms, tv series, bookseries, etc.
You see it all the time.
The authors and creators keepthat tension there because it
keeps the people watching series, etc.
You see it all the time theauthors and creators keep that
tension there because it keepsthe people watching, reading
whatever yeah, I have amongthose lines, kelly, a good

(21:16):
example of that I have is samand diane from cheers I haven't
seen cheers in forever, whereeverybody knows your name
cinnamon toast crunch and cheersso

Mari (21:24):
popular examples, specifically in romanicy, are
some of the most popular booksin romanicy, to be honest and
we're not going to go intodetails on spoilers of these
because some people may or maynot have read all these but the
ACOTAR series in general startswith humans and Fae basically
being in opposition to eachother and by the end of the

(21:46):
series there's enemies to lovers.
Let's just say that.
Cruel Prince.
Let me backtrack ACOTAR, courtof Thorns of Rose, a Serenity
Mass.
Cruel Prince, holly Black,written by Holly Black black.
You have kind of some, somesimilarities.
You have humans and the fae andyeah, yeah and uh, it's
definitely a different worldthan than the avatar world.

(22:08):
The fae are almost like horrormovie fae.
They're darker.

Jonathan (22:14):
They're definitely alien and darker yeah it's, yes,
it's a, it's a, it's acontemporary too, right, more
modern yeah, yeah like, but youdefinitely have an enemy
happening there.

Mari (22:27):
and then fourth wing which , to be honest, for a bit in my
head I was like fourth wingisn't really enemies to lovers,
it was like their parents wereenemies, not the main characters
.
But that is a thing Like if youhave a family lineage or a
family history of being opposedto this other family or this

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other race or country orwhatever.
It is enemy stories.
So definitely some of the mostpopular books in the romantic
genre are rife with this trope.
But what are some of yourguys's either favorites that
have enemy celebrity in it orthat you wanted maybe to bring
up as examples or talk aboutwith enemy celebrities?

(23:10):
The face that I've got a listas well, so I've got like five
things to talk about okay, doyou want to?

Jonathan (23:17):
do you want to go back and forth and compare?

Ashley (23:19):
yeah, I was gonna say like let's start with jonathan's
list just because there's a lotthat he hasn't read, that maybe
the rest of us have well, someof these aren't like.
I just went for stories yeah,yeah, no, I just like I don't
want to touch like the cruelprince right, like you're just
starting to get into that and Idon't know that you'll nail the
enemies to lover.
Like that that's a ride, thatbook's a ride, that series is a

(23:42):
ride.

Jonathan (23:43):
So like, let's start with your list you're gonna feel
like a, because I did have thecruel prince on my list no, no,
that's cool, go for it you Iwant your list first, because I
don't want to spoil anything foryou okay, so I've got you know,
but I'm gonna skip over thebooks that we've read on here
that I think would be on thelist.
But like I try to like think ofthings that like my favorite

(24:03):
enemies to lover story is SantaClaus 2,.
The Mrs Claus.
So I won't spoil it because itis a delightful movie.
But have you seen the?

Mari (24:13):
first movie with Santa Claus.
Is that the one with Tim Allenin it?
Okay, I'm not 100% sure I'veseen the first one.
To be honest, I've seen bitsand pieces but I'm not 100%.
I know there's like a surlylittle elf in it that I've seen
lots of great memes about.

Jonathan (24:32):
Yeah, Bernard.
The premise here is thatfantasy being Santa Claus has to
find a bride in order to stayas Santa Claus, and in his
journey he has a limited timelimit to find a Mrs Claus and he
starts to de-Santify and hisgreatest attraction is the

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opposition.
Okay.

Mari (25:01):
I may have that on my list this year.
To me that was a good enemiesto lovers story.
You'll have to remind me.

Jonathan (25:07):
Oh, it's delightful.

Ashley (25:09):
It's definitely a favorite of ours, yeah.

Jonathan (25:11):
And then when you're done watching, that you let me
know, because there's anotherelement of it that I would like
to talk about.

Mari (25:16):
So what else you got on your list?

Jonathan (25:17):
I got a good classic on here.
This one I feel I don't know ifanyone could ever dethrone this
for me from being an animecelebrity, and it is with.
It is another.
This is a.
This is classic, this isthrowback, vintage, very, very
classic film.

(25:38):
I do remember that Overboardwith Kurt Russell on yeah,
that's just having that, thosetwo different.
There's some classism involvedthat drives that enemies and
some revenge tactics that couldbe like.
So that could also turn intolike like you were saying
there's some questionablyethical behavior For sure.

Ashley (25:54):
A different time.

Jonathan (25:57):
I also have one of ashley's favorites tangled right
, is it?
I was trying to think of hisname.
Is it finn rider or flynn rider?
flynn rider yeah, it's he getsattacked by her and a frying pan
.
She weaponized that frying panshe fucks him up yeah, and then
later there are other thingsthat happen.

(26:18):
The the blue cat space movie,actually, what's that one called
avatar, that one that's, andthey were like fighting movies.
No, no, no, I got books but Iwas trying to like.
I I didn't want like, because Iknow there are like lots of
books that we read together like, uh, what's that one wolf gone
wild?

Mari (26:35):
that's on my list?

Jonathan (26:36):
yeah, that was one of the first ones that we read
through, and that's you know.
But I'll let the books go.
I mean other things, like whenyou brought up the countries I
thought about like spies, likeus.
When it's like that cold warand the tension is over the, the
missile, and they, they, theygo from these two sides,

(26:58):
russians versus americans andall of a sudden they're in these
like pup tents popping in witheach other.
You know.
So, yeah, there's like, uh,they're.
They started getting along realswell at the end of that movie,
the 10 things I hate about you.

Mari (27:13):
That's a classic that's a classic one.
Yeah, I was waiting for you tobring that one up.

Jonathan (27:16):
You've got mail well, that is one of my favorite.
That's a heart warmer for me,and I think the last movie that
I had on here was the proposalwith ryan reynolds.
If I just want to shout thisout, if anyone knows ryan, what
ryan reynolds?
I have been on a quest to meetryan.
I feel like we could be friends, and so if anybody knows, knows

(27:37):
Ryan, and you're listening.

Ashley (27:39):
Holler at your boy.

Jonathan (27:40):
Yeah, lunch is on me, you know what I mean.
Not like real expensive lunch,but like medium to okay, lunch,
you're not going to get food,you're not going to get sick,
but we're also not going to belike paparazzi, where we're
going.

Mari (27:53):
Priorities.

Ashley (27:54):
Yeah.

Jonathan (27:54):
The rest I have are just books that we've read
together, but I figured y'allwould be more inclined to touch
on those I think the classic.

Kelly (28:03):
One of the classic examples would be in the comic
book realm batman and catwomanoh, yes, so several and several
times in several differentstorylines they hooked up, most
notably I wasn't payingattention.
I think the biggest is hinted atin some of the older comics

(28:23):
where they did, like you know,alternate universe, batman stuff
where he ended up with Catwoman, kind of stuff, but in the end
there was a storyline seriescalled Hush that had Batman and
Catwoman finally hooking up andit had been one of those things
that had been lingering, I guess, in the background subtext in

(28:44):
the background for a long time,and so that was probably one of
the, I think, probably somethingthat most people, even if they
don't read Romanesie, areprobably familiar with, that
type of storyline from Batmanbecause you also saw it in the
Christopher Nolan films.

Mari (29:02):
And in the TV show Gotham when they were young, when they
were kids.
It starts to hint at it fromthere.

Kelly (29:07):
And then of course it was also sort of in the Michael
Keaton movie.
So it's been several times thatthat's been a part of the
Batman storylines.

Jonathan (29:17):
Is Eartha Kitt the original Cougar?

Mari (29:19):
I don't know if she's the original Cougar, I don't know.
Yeah, it is Like in the TV showyeah, she was Catwoman actually
.

Ashley (29:24):
Oh like the OG Catwoman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's whatlike goes on.
Oh, I was like MichellePfeiffer.

Jonathan (29:29):
Catwoman.

Mari (29:30):
Michelle Pfeiffer.

Jonathan (29:38):
You can't go For sure.
I love Catwoman.
My favorite part about theMichelle was it the Michelle
Pfeiffer one.
When she got home and she hadthat neon sign and she like
broke out the O and the T and itjust said hell here.

Mari (29:47):
That's an iconic scene.
My Batman period full stop.
All those done.

Jonathan (29:54):
When I was a kid and it came down to like michael
keaton playing batman.
I didn't quite get the idea butlike my, my parents, I could
hear them be like oh yeah,michael keaton has batman.
I've got to see this and Ithink for the most part he was
pretty much like a like incomedy roles and and I didn't
understand it but was just, Iremember, like parroting them.

Kelly (30:19):
The sentiment in Batman movies and TV shows has been you
don't cast Batman, you castBruce Wayne.
Yep, Because with specialeffects and costuming, et cetera
, you can make just about anyactor be Batman.
So what you're really trying todo is cast Bruce Wayne.

Mari (30:35):
Oh, that's true A hundred percent.
Like I have said I'm sure I'vesaid it on this podcast.
I say it so often, Like if youwant to know what goes on in my
brain, it's the fact thatMichael Keaton is both
Beetlejuice and Batman.
You want to know what's wrongwith me?
That's what's wrong with meforever.

Ashley (30:53):
That has never connected for me before Wow.

Jonathan (30:56):
Yeah, and recently too , Like both roles were reprised.

Mari (31:02):
No, that's a good one, Kelly A plus.

Jonathan (31:04):
Yeah, any other ones you wanted to bring up.
Yeah, very good.

Kelly (31:08):
No, I mean, I think that's Kelly coming in hot We've
had several books that we'veread that have the enemies to
lovers trope.
So I mean we've talked aboutsome already.
But I think you know, outsideof the realm of romancy, some of
the stuff we've already talkedabout, you know Beauty and the
Beast, batman, et cetera.
Those are all classics.
I mean you see it everywhere.

(31:28):
I mean it's a very populartrope in all forms of media.

Mari (31:31):
Yeah, ash, what are some of yours?

Ashley (31:41):
I'm going to hit you with a good one.
Oh, hades and persephone.
Oh, I feel like that's like oneof your top ones.
In every form, hades andpersephone always start out as
complete opposites.
Sounds like a truck, I mean.

Mari (31:48):
It does depend on the like , I don't know I was gonna say
it depends on the version of theof the myth that you're going
with, but on all versions theythere's always some antagonism.

Ashley (31:57):
Even if it doesn't go with, like the, the, the sexual
assault route there's always anantagonism between them to begin
with yeah, yep, yeah, even ifit's just like that prejudice
area right, jonathan's holding abride for me, but I haven't
read bride yet I, I think I'msurprised every time.

Mari (32:15):
You guys know you did not read bride.

Jonathan (32:16):
I'm surprised every time you didn't read Bride.
You guys know that you did notread Bride on this podcast Every
time we talk.
I thought we read Bride on thispodcast.

Ashley (32:22):
No, but I was going to bring up Assistant to the
Villain.
Although I guess she's notsuper much his enemy, it's more
like she's his enemy and hedeals with her.
What else was on my list?
Twilight very easily starts outas enemies to lovers, like
there's a whole hate love thing.
Like I hate, I hate you so muchbut I can't stay away from you.

(32:42):
That's probably, you know, oneof the first big ones for me as
an adolescent you should read.

Jonathan (32:48):
You should read.
Uh, so mari's probably readthis one no, sugar coating it,
yeah which we met.
She was very delightful.
That was a that's short ass.

Ashley (32:56):
You should read that one too I mean, I know you
mentioned akatar too, but I feellike, because I'm in the, in
the mist of throne tog, yes, Ijust I couldn't figure out how
to talk about it withoutspoiling it because it's in the
middle of like yes, every noit's like every other book
there's's no enemy to love herand I'm just engaged.

(33:22):
I'm trying to think of what else.
I mean, the Percy Jacksonseries definitely has, and
you're going back to the Greekmythology, right?
There's a lot of thateverywhere you know, with Percy
and Annabelle.
But also I feel like all thegreat gods are a bit enemies to
lovers to one extreme or theother.
What did you just showed me?
the time was that the, the timeI got drunk the time I got drunk

(33:46):
and saved a demon.
Yeah, what was best about we?
We were on that virtual panelthat included her yesterday,
marie, and at one point she wasexplaining how, how, how, they
all got into writing um, but isit christy lemme?
What's her first name?

Jonathan (33:59):
uh kimberly.

Ashley (34:01):
I wanted to say christy, shame on me.
Kimberly lemming was explainedand so her, her tone, just to
set it for you, mario was likesuper, like deadpan, like just
matter of fact, like yeah, I didthis because of this, and she
was explaining how she got intowriting mostly as like a joke,
because somebody told her thatshe couldn't, or that she

(34:21):
shouldn't, write this type ofbook.
Yes, and she's like so I justdid it out of spite and I didn't
think that a publisher wasgoing to publish a single word
and jokes on me I was just likeyes, queen, yes, I love
everything that she has.
I think I've read everythingshe's written.
I know you've read a few.

Mari (34:39):
I've read all her mean mishaps and I've read all her,
the alien one that came out.
Yeah, it is, I was gonna sayhave you read it oh, what should
I say about that?
It is her tone, it is her style.
It is also like a wild zanyromp.
It very much feels like aX-rated B-movie in space.

Ashley (35:03):
Yeah, I love this so much.
She was saying how I forget ifit was her editor or her
publisher, or just like her veryclose friend Somebody told her
that she crossed a line andshe's like which part of this
line did I cross?
Was it the acid trip?
Was it what happened after theacid trip?

(35:23):
Was it why on the acid trip, orsomething like that, and I was
just dying in my we lost yourmicrophone oh no yeah, no, no,
it was, it was me.

Jonathan (35:35):
Oh my, so we're on, we're, we're going through the
phone and my sister textedsomething, oh no, and I was like
, oh, let me just respond to herand I must so kimberly lenning
said something about crossingthe line I don't.

Ashley (35:48):
Where did I cut off?
Oh yeah, she was like, well,I'm gonna and again, I forget
who she said informed her.
She crossed the like like, hey,maybe you shouldn't do this.
It wasn't like a wrist slap oranything like that, to be clear.
And it was, and, but likewhoever told her?
She was like, okay, but wherewas the line?
Was it?
Was it the acid trip?
Was it what happened after thelike the whole series of events

(36:09):
that happened after the acidtrip?
Or was it what led her up tothe acid trip?
Or are we just talking aboutthe acid trip in general?
Because it was like the scenewhere everybody was gonna die
and she was like, well, if I'mgonna go out, like I'm gonna
take all of you with me, kind ofthing.
So like she ingested poison orsomething and it was just a riot
to listen to.
I was actually just dying in mychair laughing and it made me

(36:32):
want to read everything she'sever touched.

Mari (36:35):
If, if that is your tone of humor and if you can be like,
let nitpickyness go like it is,it is, it's comedy, like it is
zany, and it is comedy and thatis what she advertises it as and
that is what it is and she's sogood at it, yeah I love that
yeah no, I love that for me it's.

Ashley (36:55):
There's a lot, lot of Kimberly Lemming in my future.

Mari (36:58):
Any other ones you want to bring up?
I don't think so.
I'm still in the throes of whatI have.
The first one that came up tome when I was thinking about it
other than the big ones that arepopular in the genre was Howl's
Moving Castle.
I felt had a very enemies tolovers kind of vibe.
It's a book and it's also amovie, animated movie, studio

(37:21):
Ghibli movie.
I know Kelly and I have seen it.
Have you guys seen it All, thestudio Ghibli?

Ashley (37:25):
stuff is very wholesome.

Mari (37:26):
I have not, it's very celebration of, like the slice
of life, day-to-day things, butthere are plots and things that
happen, obviously.
But it's also very cozy.
I don't know how to describeGhibli other than I think you
guys would enjoy it.
But Howl's Moving Castle is awizard with a bad rap and a

(37:50):
female main character that getskind of caught up with him and
enemies deliver, happens.
That's the best I can saywithout spoiling it and going
into too much detail.
It is a, I think, a middleschool book like it's.
It's very, it's a young, it's achildren's book or or maybe
middle school, early high schoolkind of book, but it it does a

(38:11):
really interesting job of worldbuilding and how they learn to,
I guess, live with each other,be friends kind of thing and
then like to lovers, so to speak.
That was the first one that cameto mind for me.
Second one yeah, it's good, I'mgoing to be doing a Howl's
Moving Castle costume atDragonCon, so very much have had

(38:35):
it on the brain, so exciting.
The second one that came up forme was princess bride in parts.
So the whole thing is not anenemies to lover by any means,
but I think that there's a chunkin the middle of it.
Where there's a definiteenemies to lover situation, that
has to happen.
Once again, it's hard to talkabout this without spoiling it

(38:56):
for anyone who hasn't seen this.
I don't know how old princessbride is.
Movie and or book, yeah yeah, soI think it's the person who
killed her love is, haskidnapped her and it goes on
from there.
It's not the overarching story,but it's definitely a chunk in
the middle that I think carrieslike it's another example of the

(39:19):
enemies to lovers how that canbe done.
The other one that came up tomind for me was Warm Bodies by
Isaac Marion, which is a bookand a movie, and they're both a
little bit different.
If you like one, I wouldrecommend the other.
They're both good.
They're just a little bitdifferent, but it's basically
zombie apocalypse has happenedand it's a love story between a

(39:40):
zombie and a human and, like,part of the story is told from
the zombie's viewpoint and partof it's told from the human's
viewpoint.
It's a dual point of view.
It's a love story, so it's notlike I think ultimately it's a
romance, even though it's set inthis zombie apocalypse type
setting.
So it's not dark, it's not likea hopeless type of situation.

(40:01):
It's a really sweet story.
I've read it a few times andseen the movie a few times and
they're both good.
I would recommend both theending is, like, I think, the
big difference between the two,but they're still.
They're both good.
I would recommend either.
It may not be everybody's, butI was just like how, how are you
going to do a zombie romance?
And they, isaac marion did it.

(40:22):
Yeah, yeah, very, very well, Ithink they figured this out
kelly, have you seen that movieor read that book?
I can't remember if we'vewatched it together.
Which one warm bodies I thoughtwe did we did.
Okay, did you like it?
it was okay yeah, yeah, Ithought it was sweet, the, the.
I can't think of the actor'sname now, who who played the
main zombie in it, but it's thesame actor who did renfield, who

(40:45):
played the, the renfieldcharacter.
Yes, I'm pretty sure it's him,nicholas holt.

Ashley (40:50):
I love nicholas holt is so yeah, I can see it now.
He just does such a good job ofplaying these weird characters.

Mari (41:00):
Yes, yeah, yeah, very weird characters for sure, Wild
eccentrics yeah.
It is Nicholas Holt.
Okay, I had to like secondguess.
John Malkovich is in the movietoo.
So yes, I would recommend thatone.
That's a little Enemy Sliverscoming up on the fall spooky
season vibe.
The other one that was verymuch in my head, that you
mentioned Jonathan, was WolfGone Wild.
I know it's one of the oneswe've read but like I think I'll

(41:22):
be rereading that again thisyear.
There's something aboutspecifically that first book and
I think it's because in my headthe wolf is the wolf from 10th
Kingdom and I love that.
In my brain that's who it is,that's who it will always be.

Jonathan (41:45):
But yeah, you have the beginnings of a witch and
werewolf societies against eachother and they end up you know
it's an hea romance at the end.
So yeah, I think even thesecond one from that series
don't hex and drive is it fits,that fits, that same model.
So I've only gotten through I'mthrough book three in that one
and then I started and then Ifinished the, the, the second
series that she has but there'sonly one out so far in the
second one right um okay, so Ionly feel correct correct I

(42:09):
didn't.
I didn't get that the vibe fromin that new series that was like
enemies to lovers, but I didget the and I did get like don't
hex and drive.
Being that and I was, I wasthinking like maybe initially
witches get stitches.
I said, was that the third one?
What's the third one?

Ashley (42:27):
I don't have them memorized, you have, it was
probably it might have been holdon.

Jonathan (42:31):
Uh, I'm doing the same thing.

Ashley (42:32):
I'm staring at his bookshelf with all of his
romantic books.

Jonathan (42:35):
You guys, it's so cute yeah, I should start like what
is book?
Is book four grim?

Mari (42:40):
and I I got the really pretty versions which are
beautiful for the bookcase, butthey I can't read them from here
.

Jonathan (42:46):
I can't read the spines from here oh yeah, it's
got to be, it's got to be.
Hold on, it's not book four,that's book six.
Book four is always practicesafe hacks.
I'm interested in book fourbecause it's book six.
Book four is Always PracticeSafe Hacks.
I'm interested in book fourbecause I'm sorry in book six,
which is Grim and Barren,because they started to bring
start to talk about, kind ofbring it in.

Mari (43:05):
I would say I've read all of the first.
I've read all of this.
Yeah, I've read all of them.
Period, ash, have you read allof them?
Okay, yeah, the first.

Ashley (43:13):
I have.

Mari (43:13):
Yeah, I read the first gen like the first six or seven,
whatever, so Ash, would you saylike I think every one of those
has an enemies to lovers vibe ofthe original series, right?

Ashley (43:25):
Yeah, most of them, I think.
I think everyone, but the lastone, because she was the just
the last one.
Oh, the Grim and Bad that'strue, yeah, because she she knew
she was intuitive or she couldsee the future kind of thing.
So she already knew things thatwere going to happen and felt
some type of way he might havefelt enemies Very resistant.

(43:49):
So yeah, I would say most ofthem.

Mari (43:52):
It makes sense because the whole series is set in a world
where the supernatural yeah likethey're all suspicious of each
other.

Jonathan (44:00):
Most badly each other.

Ashley (44:02):
Yeah, there's a lot of prejudice and Antagonism and
everything.

Mari (44:06):
Yeah, absolutely the last one I had was Slaying the
Vampire Conqueror by CarissaBroadbent.
It's a standalone in the Crownsof Niaxia series and there's
several of those that could beenemies to lovers, but that one,
I think, very specifically.
I think it's a very goodstandalone.
It's a full-fledged book.

(44:27):
It's not a novella like the SixScorched Roses one that we read
on the podcast, but this one isbasically an assassin who is.
She's from a cult or a religioussect or whatever, and they're
raised to be assassins and hermission is to kill this vampire

(44:47):
conqueror and so as part of that, she has to infiltrate his army
and whatnot, go on his campaignand everything.
And it's so interesting becauseshe's basically a human.
But part of this Her religiouscult or whatever is that they
cut out their eyes or they don'tsee, so she's blind, so

(45:09):
everything she does is with allher other senses.
And then you have the vampirewith all the powers of the
vampires in the Chris ofBroadbent world.
So they are absolutely enemies.
Like he is here to exterminateher world, she is here to
assassinate him and it turnsinto an enemy to lovers
situation and I think it wasreally well done yeah, I would

(45:31):
say I was gonna say I feel likemost of carissa broadbent too is
I agree enemies to lovers, atleast the ones that I've read,
the big ones yeah, I've been.

Jonathan (45:40):
I I've been a struggle .
I haven't finished that, thatsecond book in the crowns of
niaxia series, so I'm likehalfway through that one too, I
had to take a break.
I lost interest in it.
I should probably pick that,pick that one back up.
I should do that.
Yeah, maybe I'll put that on mylist um we love a list oh yeah,
one series that I've beenreading lately every couple

(46:03):
months a new one pops out is theHellbent series by Aurora Asher
.
It it's just it's.
It's quite spicy and it'susually are.
The first two that I've read sofar are like it's all like
demon based and in acontemporary setting and they

(46:25):
it's usually like you don'tbelong.
These two people don't belongtogether, but they're attracted
to each other like it's like Idon't know if there's massive
conflict, but you know they're.
In some of them there are.
So but yeah it, it strikes meas that funny.
I need to get that.

Mari (46:42):
I need to read that before the fourth one comes out.
Yeah, I haven't read any ofthese.
Yet, would you say and thismight be a stupid, stupid thing
to assume, but would you say myfunny demon valentine, it's a
good one to read likevalentine's, is it?
Valentine's is part of the plotyou know it's.

Jonathan (46:58):
It might be part of the plot, but I don't think I
don't.
I don't think it was likestraight up like a valent.
It wasn wasn't a Valentine'sDay book, it wasn't like the
heavy theme.
It's a great.
As a matter of fact, I thinkyou could read them all as
standalones almost.
She just released her third one.
I mean, I think, and part of methinks, that they're out in

(47:20):
some capacity, but every coupleof months a new one, a new
version of it drops, and what dothey call it?
Paperback with some interestingedges.
She's a Canadian author that'snot currently traveling, so I
like her stuff so much that Ijust reached out to her and was
like, hey, let me get some bookplates.
I paid her for the book platesand she sent over enough book

(47:42):
plates for this series as itcomes out.
Okay.

Mari (47:47):
I'll have to add that to my list for sure.
I tend to like to do I think Idon't know how you guys do your
tbr your to be read.
I really like to do seasonalreading, like I love doing
seasonal reading, so I likereading books set in in the
winter time.
In the winter time, if there'sa book that's around a holiday,
I like reading it around theholidays, like like Night Before
Christmas by Sarah Rash.

(48:09):
I read it December of last year.
Go Luck Yourself, which is thesequel I read in March.
So I do love when there's like atimeliness to the time of year
that correlates with the story,but it's also you gotta have
evergreen stories that kind ofyou can read any time of year to
filter into, for sure.

Jonathan (48:27):
Yeah, you know, I read when, when Cupid falls, first
thinking that it was going to belike very Valentine's day.
Ish, it was not at all.
In case you're like in thatFebruary frame of mind and
you're like, well, I should readthis one, it's not.

Mari (48:45):
Yeah.
But maybe you could read itfrom that perspective any other
enemies to lovers stories,movies, tv shows, etc.

Ashley (48:55):
That we want to talk about we cover everything on
your list, husband I meanthere's just so many.

Jonathan (49:00):
I mean go look at the list, look at the list.
I just look at the list andmake sure I ticked all the boxes
.
I think we did tick all thoseboxes.
Yeah, it's.
As I look at my bookshelf, Ithink like a majority of it.
It's such a common theme inthis, in our genre, that it's

(49:20):
hard to.
I think if you went into aRomanesie book reader's home,
you will get hurt.
Don't't do this.
People love their books.
They're one of thosenon-damaging rubber sticky darts
kind of thing.
You'd probably land onsomething that either is enemies
to lovers or leans in adirection, or can be conflated

(49:42):
with, it'd be hard to.

Mari (49:43):
Yeah, I agree, it's popular within the genre and so
a lot, of, a lot of books haveit in there, which means you
have lots of examples of it.
Sometimes it's done really welland sometimes not so much.
I'd say in general it's a,although it can be a little
overdone, because I feel likesometimes it feels like every
romancy book is is advertised asenemies to lovers, and

(50:06):
sometimes they're not.
Sometimes it's like maybe theyjust don't like each other and
then they are lovers, or maybethey're like academic rivals and
then they're lovers.
Sometimes the enemies to lovers.
Mold is pushed on some booksthat it doesn't always fit, but
overall I think I do like thattropepe and it's one that kind

(50:28):
of like okay, let me read theback, if it, if it tells me it's
that well, I think that alsoleans into the fantasy aspect of
the romanticy.

Ashley (50:37):
You know world is that, you know, even in just a fantasy
based book setting or tvsetting, it might not be enemies
to lovers but there'sdefinitely going to be enemies
to friends or, you know, enemiesto being on the same side.
Like you, have to have some kindof connection, some kind of

(50:58):
bridge, to be able to tell astory.
I mean Lord of the Rings, whicha book series that I've not
read by any way, shape or form.
So I'm probably mildly speakingout of turn here, but while it
wasn't an overwhelming lovestory, there might have been
love in it.
It was not a love story but itwas very much, you know, a group

(51:21):
of different entities comingtogether for a common purpose,
and so you know, for it to beromance-based makes it romance,
you know, to make it romantic-y,makes it enemies to lovers
instead of enemies intosomething common, you know, a
common goal.
So I think that's why it'sprobably a little bit more

(51:43):
prevalent in this series, inthis genre.
But you know you, you have tohave something bad to get to
something before you haveresolution, you gotta have
conflict.

Jonathan (51:53):
You're saying you have to introduce conflict.

Ashley (51:55):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely otherwise what's the point?

Jonathan (51:58):
right I, do have fluff , I do have one more you found
one one more you got.
This is one of my favoritesUh-oh Guardians of the Galaxy
Star-Lord and Blue Cat, ladyslash, green Lady.
What's her name?
Gamora?
Yes, I thought she was green.
They're definitely enemies tostart with, she was the Blue Cat
Lady, right?
Oh, okay, she was also the.

Ashley (52:17):
Blue Cat In Avatar.

Jonathan (52:28):
Yeah, in Avatar she is the green green gal, and the
thing that I like about the waythis story shook out through
volume three is that maybethere's an another opportunity,
for I gotta be honest I likeguardians of the galaxy, for
like the vibe, the music, theit's in outer space kind of
feeling, and the raccoon, hisall his sass, all his attitude

(52:53):
and I'm like wait wait, wasthere a love story there?

Mari (52:55):
probably was, I just wasn't there for that like give
me a wise ass, like you know,side character who gets shit
done like you know sidecharacter who gets shit done?
Yeah, have you?
Have you seen volume three?

Kelly (53:12):
I'm trying to ask this without spoiling the movie for
anyone who didn't yes, you'veseen it.

Mari (53:14):
I know I've.
Okay, thank you, I'm prettysure I've seen it.
Yeah, it's the one with, like,the rocket learned where he came
from, kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah, there were.
There were.
Yes, there were tears at themovie theater for that.
Absolutely yeah, I can see whyyou wouldn't.
Yeah, I think you would have ahard time with that.
Just yeah, yeah, there were,there were.
Yes, there were tears at themovie theater for that.
Absolutely yeah, I can see whyyou wouldn't.
Yeah, I think you would have ahard time with that.

Ashley (53:30):
Just for context Hard See.

Jonathan (53:33):
I like it and not that I like, I don't know.

Mari (53:36):
I'm not inviting that, but I do enjoy the I enjoy that
part story, like for for thestorytelling quality not for the
abusive.

Jonathan (53:52):
You enjoy the yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's a good
story for sure.
The quality of the story.
Also the music.
That's like if I own sixrecords, three of them are
guardians of the galaxy, volumeone, I think, if I had to say.

Mari (54:00):
Probably the thing I love best about guardians of the
galaxy are the side characters.
To be honest, like there'sthere's, there's rocker raccoon,
but there's also like groot andthere's mary freaking poppins,
like, yes, all the sidecharacters 100, yeah, yeah,
that's, it's a fun.
It's a fun.
Fun little series of movies,all right.

(54:22):
Anything else we want to talkabout or mention in enemies to
lovers before Lovers, before Iwrap it up, I think so too.

Ashley (54:27):
I think we covered a lot of it.

Mari (54:29):
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