ARKANSAS TILLER HANDLE OUTLAWS | Ep063 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's 5 o'clock and you're off the clock with B
Scott.
Today we have as our guestsMatt Hubbell and Michael Harvey
from the Arkansas Tiller HandleOutlaws and Performance Boats
page on Facebook.
Now these guys run a page thathas a huge crowd of experts and
just tiller handle boatersAnybody in the performance boat
area is in the Arkansas Tillerpage.
Tons of knowledge, all right.

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Now there's haters in there,there's lovers in there, there's
crybabies in there.
There's a little bit ofeverything.
But let me tell you somethingIf you're looking for knowledge
about performance boats,somebody in there can answer
your questions.
What they're doing this year isthey have a huge giveaway so,
and you can have a chance to wina boat here.
All right, at these sandbars,what you can do is you can come
learn about boats, testdifferent boats, try different

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setups.
Tons of knowledge, people,experts.
I mean it's going to be a goodtime.
We're going to talk about allthis, but before we get into it,
make sure you leave a like,subscribe and hit the bell for
notifications.
Now let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
So what's your vision in doing sandbar racing?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Man, my vision is, more than anything is I want to
show some of these guys that are, you know, up and coming, don't
know much about it, thebrotherhood that's always been
there in the boating industry.
Yeah, you know, yeah, um, notonly that, but the majority of
the guys that hold all theinformation are running havoc
boats yeah, yeah, you know, youknow, and really like we've seen

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that big.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Whenever we uh went to the races and put like the
Yamaha team versus Mercury team,it was like wow, the two sides
kind of fighting against eachother, and it's like all that
experience of one place.
Anybody that came could ask anyquestions and people were
jumping around and helping them.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, and not only that, but you got.
You know, everybody wants tofloat the nose.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah everybody wants to float the nose.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Everybody thinks it's cool to float the nose?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, everybody wants to float the nose.
Everybody thinks it's cool tofloat the nose.
They don't understand thescience and the work that goes
into doing that.
Yeah, trying props, and there'smultiple ways to do it, oh yeah
.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Absolutely.
I mean, there's like a reallyfast float in the nose, but
there's a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Float in the nose but there's a difference of
floating the nose than justpushing water.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yes, oh yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I mean a lot of folks .
You see a lot of boats outthere right now just shoving the
stern down in the water and itpushes this roll of wave.
I mean you know what I'mtalking about, right?
So if you start looking atfloating the nose, I mean they
don't care if they're floatingthe nose at 40 miles an hour.
Yeah, but you know, the trendright now is on the internet is

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people want to float to know sohigh they can't see over the bow
.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
That's almost like they do the tinny boats in
Australia.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, then again y'all got to remember.
I mean, look at the Carolinasquat.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's like that, but in the boat world it really is.
I mean, you see these kids.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean Darrell.
I know you see it on socialmedia all the time.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yes, ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Shockley goes to all these sanctioned races all the
time, but you know they're justshoving water.
It's like wave runners orsomething.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I just personally don't get it.
I don't either.
It slows you down the.
I just personally don't get it.
I don't either it slows youdown.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Flat is fast.
It is, Flat is fast.
You can have just enough liftout of your dead riser hole but
you need to stay somewhat flat.
Not flat, but you know what Imean.
But you need to stay flatterthan that.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
I would just say efficient.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
If you can't see your buoy at the end of the race.

Speaker 7 (03:21):
No, they're doing that strictly for looks.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, definitely for looks, but it puts a lot of
strain and pressure on thetransom.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
It does.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Dude, it's pounding the bottom of that boat right
there, oh yeah.
People don't realize how hardthat water is You've got to
break water, don't you All thatpressure?
They're driving that boat inthe water.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, they're putting hooks in the boat.
Yeah, boat in the water.
Well, they're putting hooks inthe boat.
Yeah, everybody knows whathappened.
We put a hook in a boat.
I mean it's, it's, it'sterrible.
Um, not every boat's made towithstand that either.
It's not.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
You know, it's not no you take one of them while
they're doing it with habits.
Yeah, I mean, I mean I meanthat's uh.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean you can take a mod 40 and you can do the same
thing.
You know the 80 gauge stuff.
It don't matter what you reallybuild the boat out of if the
last seven or eight inches ofthe boat is getting pounded like
you're driving the stern ofthat boat down in the water you
are and you're tracking.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, just stressing, you're stressing metal out.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
If you see all those all the nose floating out there,
all their.
You know they got the bi-wavethere and they're shoving that
water.
They're just shoving that waterforward.
That boat just rides in frontof that wave.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Man, you can look at the water spray and tell a lot
about what a boat's doing that'sexactly right.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
You can see the daylight under the boat and then
you see like a little wave ofjust water rolling.

Speaker 7 (04:38):
They got so much setback they're having to drive
it like it's right here.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Hey you guys know too you get all that setback what's
going to happen in the woods.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
It's going to be really tough to drive.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
You don't want a lot of setback in the woods, for
sure.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
No you don't want a lot of setback.
That's kind of where the Gen 2comes in.
But you don't want a lot ofsetback and the key of getting a
boat to run right is getting itto run efficient, releasing the
water off the back of the boat.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, my little built 25, I mean it was built to the
hilt.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It was, I remember, back in the day.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Everything you could do to it it was done.
But my fuel mileage wasoutstanding.
It was on pump fuel.
I never raised race fuelthrough that motor.
I could run the whole runner at108 mile boat race we used to
do.
I could run it on six gallonsof fuel.
I mean, I knew of other.
You couldn't do that with a 59.
That's right, I know guys.
It was taking 34 gallons offuel on 108 miles, you know, for

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a hot motor right, stoppingsomewhere and filling up
efficient fuel mileage no, it'sall.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
No have to say hands down, the worst is a mega.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
You know, back whenever we were going to
putting in at old man's andstuff and me and you put in down
there Pocahontas bridge one dayand run up there to that
sandbar there and back I wasrunning on fumes and yeah, that
was just a stock motor and I'mpretty sure I told you to bring
extra fuel.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Nobody ever listens.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Nobody ever knows.
No, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, but for instance that 25, I didn't make
it what it was by floating nose.
I didn't care anything aboutfloating the nose, it was a part
of it, it's just one of thosenew things nowadays.
I mean, everybody loves afloating nose, it is.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
You know it, it is.
You know, it's just one ofthose new things and I think a
lot of people are starting tounderstand that.
You know you can float the noseat 45 miles an hour or you can
float the nose at 60.
It just depends on the hulldesign.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It does.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
It really does.
A lot goes into it, but thefunctionality of the boat,
especially in the floated timber, is what it's all about.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
You know that's why we have so many different models
.
I think you've got to explainto people too about when you say
floating nose with the holes onit.
A lot of these guys are buyingthe boats trying to float the
nose, but they're not realizingwhat kind of boat they're buying
to float the nose.
That's the more important thing.
These guys get on there andthey're like my boat, don't
float the nose out the box, it'slike which boat did you buy?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
And not only what boat did you buy, but it's like
you know what's your setup.
You know, people want to buy aboat and then cut corners on,
like trailers, the jack plate.
They want to cut corners hereand there.
China.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
YPS.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well, if you want to cut the, corner on the jack
plate and the prop.
And you know everything thatgoes with Float of the Nose
you're not going to have thatresult, you know it.
And everything that goes withflow of the nose, you're not
going to have that result, it'sgoing to be much harder to do it
.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I've seen people cut corners on trailer purchases and
the next thing they cut cornerson is their setup Yep, for some
reason, I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
The most important part.
Yes, it would be the jack plateyeah.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's like, oh, what are you doing?
They will.
What most customers will do isthey'll buy a cheap trailer.
They'll buy the boat.
They won't.
Then they'll spend lots ofmoney in the motor that's 10 to
15 years old, right, but theywill not spend money on a good
bobs or a good hydraulic jackplate.
No, that blows my mind.
I can't tell you how many timesI text people every night.

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You need a heavy, solid jackplate if you're going to run a
V-jack.
Yes, absolutely.
You know people are gettingthese VJs.
They're putting six-inchsetback, hydraulic advanced
kicking jacks.
Advanced kicking jack is anawesome, awesome setback, but
unfortunately, you need 10 to 12.
Yeah, yeah, you know, andpeople just don't understand

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that.
Like, yes, you need 10 to 12.
Yeah, yeah, you know, andpeople just don't understand
that, like, yes, you're going togo buy a $2,000 jack plate to
make your boat float to noselike Facebook wants it.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Hey, y'all know what boat stands for, don't you?
What's that?
Bust out another thousand.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Absolutely, that's what I say, I feel like it's
true.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Bust out another thousand, we know.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
But it goes back to the.
I had a guy text me not toolong ago on a boat that turns
really, really, really hard, youknow, in the timber.
And I said, well, get you a Gen2, 553 Gen 2.
Because the reason why the Gen2 is so badass is because you're
moving that motor closer to thebalance point of the boat and

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it just hooks up and turns Right, Right when you start putting a
lot of setback and turns right,right when you start putting a
lot of setback.
You know this when you startputting a lot of setback in the
boat, the first thing it doesyou get in the woods and the
acid drags.
You can't see over you bow.
You've got to get.
You got to go fast or stay onplane.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
You've got to have four foot to get on plane,
that's right and how everybodyyou know that's right shock me.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
you know what I'm talking about, right?
Oh yeah, I mean you want a boat.
I mean you guys want a boatthat gets on plane at low speeds
, that maintains on plane, right, so this was always a rule of
thumb for me.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
The more setback you got, the harder it is to get out
of the hole.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
The slower it is to get out of the hole.
Yes, right, yeah, you lose awhole shot's everything.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's a whole shot.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Everything's a whole shot.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
You're stopping and going, but then again you go
back to setback, because ifyou're racing at a race, or even
a sandbar race, your setup'stotally different than you're
going to be out in the woodsracing 100%, even to the prop,
you're not going to run is allaround.
Prop.
I will race for the 16 YBS.
I know you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I'll be honest with you.
It took us years to develop aprop that was more consistent
and faster than a YBS.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes, I mean, we've done everything YBS, but matter
of fact, we got them on the gearshop too.
If you guys want a YBS, we dosell them.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
It took us a while, though, but the ybs is probably
one of the finest props in thebox.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Out of the box yeah, I busted a lot of heads for sure
, oh yeah for sure with with twopeople in the boat and the
turbo yeah, I've seen thatpersonally and the turbo 15s are
coming on strong too.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Turbo has always been a good prop.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I've seen a lot of people run turbos for the 25
world when I was having myyamaha built, 25 turbo was a
prop to have yeah, you, you wantan all-around prop.
That's still really good, youcould race with it, you could
run through the woods with it.
They're not cheap, they're hardto find.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
That's why the YVS is .

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Right, yeah, but you get what you pay for.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
You'll see people at pine trees, exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
What you just said is the answer to 90% of the setup,
for you know, I mean a lot ofproblem we have because we sell
a lot of boats, right?
So you get a lot of differentpersonalities, and some people
just don't understand how itworks.
They don't, and the easiestthing to do is go to facebook
say, hey, I want to talk tothose right man.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
There's a.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
There is a plunder of information on my boat page
yeah absolutely it's crazy andyou ask there's people that'll
come out of the woodworks tohelp you but the number one
mistake most people go to andthis is going to be a good
podcast, a lot of people need toknow this the number one
mistake people make is they goto a prop selection first.
Yes, I'm like we guys listen,you got to balance your boat

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first.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
That boat has to be balanced.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
That is key yeah, if you're not, it's like going to a
tire shop getting four tirestires for your truck and don't
put the weights on there.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
It's still a good tire.
It's still a good tire, it'snot bad.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
It just won't ride like shit, that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
So that's the same thing about boats.
I mean, you have to balanceyour boat.
You know, if you weigh 200, 300pounds, you got to do some work
, some counterweight, you don'thave you got to do some work
Some counterweight.
You all have to have somecounterweight.
You got to do somecounterweight and you know mud
boats.
You know, darrell, you run mudboats all year and it's the same
thing.
Right, you got to move peopleto the front left of the boat
sometimes Left and right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Got to move the motor over a little bit and there's
two different balance points, soyou have the front to back
balance point at the side of theside.
That's right.
So I mean really there's a lotto it, and I would say that just
about 99% of people that havequestions about setup, if they
went out there and just balancedtheir boat out, that would fix
the majority of it.
Because what we find is we'lltry all these different props on

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our boats and it's like okay,they all run within a couple
tenths of themselves.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
And they all run good they do, and they all run good
they do.
And they do different things,right.
Some may be a bow lifting prop,some may be a stern lifting
prop.
It's all according to whatyou're wanting to do, right?
That's why I think these eventsare going to be important.
A lot of these kids don'tunderstand that and there's
going to be a ponder ofinformation, people willing to
help.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
And there's a bunch of them on the page.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
There is, I think a lot of people misunderstand that
stern lifting prop and actuallifting your hull out of the
water and tilting your bow.
They get confused on how to seta boat up.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
I've tried to tell a buddy that he's got a well built
with a 59 and he's got just apontoon style prop on there and
his problem is, you know that's,the more people you put in the
front, the faster you can go.
Otherwise it's just slappingthe whole time and he doesn't
understand.
It's not.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's dolphin front, the faster you can go, otherwise
it's just slapping the wholetime and he doesn't understand.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's not, it's just dolphin riding in your home
center.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right, it's not the way you put in the boat, it's
the way you move around in there.
Yes, yeah, yes, a lot of peopleget confused about that.
You know they'll text me.
I'd be nine o'clock at night.
I'd be sitting in my chair andbe like you know, my boat runs
like crap.
You know, whatever you know, Igotta stay positive the way.
It's super hard, but I'm like.
Hey, I put four people in frontof the boat and it still bounces
.
I'm saying, well, it doesn'tmatter what you put in front of
the boat, what's in the back ofthe boat?

(13:52):
Absolutely.
You know, take what's in theback of your boat, put it in
front of the boat and get rid ofthe four people you threw in
the boat.
Yeah, yeah, you throw aband-aid on the setup.
You know, get educated, youknow, find out what's really
causing a boat to run like that.
It's all leverage.
It's all leverage.
It's like a seesaw.
You know, I tell everybody it'sa seesaw deal.
You know it goes this way, thisway, this way.

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You got a big guy on one end,you got skinny guy on one end.
You can pick that big guy upwhere the pivot point of the
boat needs to be.
Yep, and that's what peopledon't understand.
Know, and we can set up a boathere at the factory without
putting it in the water and itwould run good, based off of the
pivot point of the boat, not aprop selection, because it will
run the same with a aluminumprop.

(14:35):
Yeah, yeah, if the boat isbalanced, the prop will push it.
That's what people don'tunderstand and you know that's
something that we all learn atthe races, right, mm-?
And you know that's somethingthat we all learn at the races,
right?
But you know, you take nineprops and they're within what
two or three-tenths of a secondCorrect.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Most people that buy a bow three-tenths of a second.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
They don't even know what that is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
No, you don't even notice that.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
You get to a certain point when you're not looking
for five more mile an hour.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
You're looking for a tenth of a second.
We chase tenths.
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
But this is the amazing part about it.
So if the boat is balancedright and everything's set up
correctly your jack plate is setup right and everything you got
three-tenths of a seconddifference right.
You got nine props.
You don't spend $5,000 in propsyeah, worked props yeah, easily

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$5,000 and all it took wasbalancing your boat and a lot of
time, you know, a lot of time,time in your boat you know it's
key and you know I think peoplejust get on facebook and they
just get impatient and they'relike, hey, I want to tote the
nose, but they won't put thework in or buy the proper
equipment to tote the nose.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
You know and I feel like a lot of that is us too.
You know, we could definitelymake videos explaining it and
and helping educate people,right, but nothing beats going
up to the sandbar with a bunchof guys that know what's going
on, and that's what I'm tryingto address it and that's with
experience, right you know thethe experience is a lot to it.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
When I when I first got into the racing, um, there
was just a handful of peoplethat was doing it, but them
handful of people had been doingthis before.
It was cool, right.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
They were doing it for the Duckwoods.
And so we started a littlefriendly grudge racing.
And, man, I'm going to tell you, every time I went to the
grudge races, I learnedsomething new, right Every time,
and it also pushed me to befaster.
If I wasn't at them races or Ihad a race coming up, man, I'd
spend weeks, you know, tinkeringwith my boat, trying to get it
faster, trying to get it lower,down to using stopwatches,

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setting buoys up on lakes andusing stopwatches.
Man, I shaved a tenth here, Ishaved a tenth there.
Do I need more setback?
Do I need a different prop?
A lot of thought process goesinto just racing boats, but if
you're just wanting an everydayboat, float the nose is fun.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
It is, and I think more people just want that type
of ride for no reason.
They don't want to hunt with it, they don't want to go there
with it, they just want to feellike their nose is up and
they're just cooking out.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
They're in the wind and they might only be going 35,
40.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
But they don't care, they don't care, and it really
blows my mind.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
It's almost like a trend thing.
You know, that's four or fiveyears ago, I remember, one of
the selling points for boats was, you know, the main question
was how fast will it go?
Nobody cared how it rode.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, you see it in a bass boat in fiberglass
industry.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well at one point it was how hard could a boat turn?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, it was more functional to just like.
I've seen boats turn so hardthat they flip yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, me too, oh yeah .

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I mean, we flip some.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Darryl, you ever flip a boat?
No, not flipped it.
I've been thrown out of it butnot flipped it.
I've been thrown out many times.
Yeah, I've been thrown outseveral times.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
Yeah, I flipped a couple myself, you know, we get
into them turning drags.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
You get some of them.
Guys from northeast arkansaswon't do turning drags, which is
almost like a barrel race.
Yeah, you know, and they'returning these boats at oh my god
, 40 mile an hour.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
The gen 2 will destroy that class oh well, it's
built for dude a gen two isbuilt to be a barrel horse.
You could put that thing on twoinches and set it back, that
thing will fly.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Maybe we test this theory.
We've already had you.
We're doing it for a crowd.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
The gen two is built.
I had a customer this morningtext me on Facebook about he's
looking for a boat that turnshard.
Well, all of the Havocs willturn hard, it just depends on
how you set them up.
Of course, if you've got 15inches of setback or 10 inches
of setback, it will not turn ashard.
If you're drafting three footof water because you want to

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float the nose in the river, itwill not turn that hard.
But anyways, I told him 553, gen2.
I mean you put that motor twoinches now it's not gonna lift
the bottle to the nose, I meanto the moon, right, you know.
But uh, you know thefunctionality of the hunting
boat, a hunting boat like anactual first class, because you,

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you, your bowel, won't be uphigh in the, you know, in the
shallows, um, your whole shotswill be quick.
Um, the top end might not bequite there, but nobody can hang
with you in the woods, right,you know.
And if you could draft level,that's the key.
If you could draft about levelgoing through shallow water, you

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, you're going to be advantaged.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And that's what the Gen 2, I mean that's what it
does.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
That's what the Gen 2 is designed for.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
That's one of my favorite things looking at that
boat.
When y'all first came out withit and people first started
seeing that was you moved whereyou put the motor on the transom
forward.
That way you put your sixinches of setback on it and
you're still a lot closer.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's right, you're shifting the weight forward.
Yes, it makes a big differencein functionality of the boat
absolutely changes the ride youhave all the functions of like a
breakaway.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
You have the adjustment of the jack plate,
but then you know, say, you putlike six inch jack plate on
there, you're only at two inches, so your whole shot's there
you're able to turn a hugedifference.
You're one bump from, you know,going down and hooking real
hard to the left, making a turnin the woods.
I mean it's just superfunctional.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I don't know how many times I've seen guys in some of
these older War Eagles andstuff try to make a hard right
and slide right into a tree.
It's a little hopping.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
We get a little side on Like running around.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Oh shit, we sketch yeah, that's bad.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That's bad.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I think a lot of uh, you know I could talk for days
for setup, because you know Ilove that shit, but uh, we spend
so much time the right, youknow testing and testing, let me
tell you something.
It's there's a lot to it thatwe I mean we constantly were
like what the Well, we just getpissed off.
Why the hell is that?

Speaker 6 (20:48):
working like that.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
We got to build something new because this ain't
working.
You know, we kind of look atthe problems Like when I go duck
hunting and I'm in a boat andmy bow's up in the air and I'm
trying to fix that problem, Isay this is bullshit.
I can't even see where I'mgoing.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You're looking around the side of the boat nobody
nobody gives a damn what I looklike when it's four o'clock in
the morning floating up, but onthe but, on the tail end of that
, if we build something aroundnot doing that and then it
doesn't float the nose likepeople want to see, then it's
not it's like a double-edgedsword here.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
You don't catch some haters.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Right, it's okay though I mean right.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, you're going to get haters, oh we will.
I mean that kind of goes backto like people have to
understand what model boatthey're buying.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, correct, and that's the thing that Havoc does
best is.
There's so many differentmodels that when guys go in
there want to do, are you goingto be just a Samoan person?
Are you going to be a duckhunter?
You want something all around.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
There's a miss out on .

Speaker 4 (21:46):
They go in there and be like I want something to
flush the nose.
They're like well, I shouldhave bought this model so I can
do everything.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
They don't ask that, though.
They just go for the price.
That's why people buy the.
Vj.
They want the VJ to do what wedo going to.

Speaker 6 (22:01):
And a mod 40 or an FBST.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
You just got to change the setback.
It's a lot more work.
It's not out of the box.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Very small changes make big differences.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
They do, yes, they do .

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I started telling people 10 inch jack plate, 12
inch jack plate, put someRaptors on the back of it,
whatever you got to do, but yougot to get that weight for going
more than six inches.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
You know I'm not saying people who are very
experienced, but a new boatowner.
You know you tell themsomething like that and you know
adding that three inches mightget the hop out of a boat.
That you know.
You don't think that it wouldwork that way because you're
pushing the motor further back.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
That comes back to your balance point.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
And things like shifting your motor up and down.
Yeah, you know you can move itup a half inch and it's going to
change the way that prop bites.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
All boats work the same.
I mean, we have glass boats wefish out of too, we're sponsored
by glass boats and we got allthis cool stuff.
And even in the glass boatworld it's amazing how a
fiberglass boat and aluminumboat relates to each other.
Oh, they are.
Yeah, the weight counterbalance.

(23:08):
I mean I've had 6 inches, 10inches, 14 inches all set back
on my glass boat and that sucker.
I'm like I cannot believe thisshit's doing the same shit my
boat's doing.
You know it's you know it's thesame concept.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
This process.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Boat is five times higher than my aluminum boat,
but I'm still dealing with thesame problem he wants to put it
on the plug.
You know how do I get this 22foot boat on the damn club I'm
like dude, you got an aircraftcarrier I look over there and bc
has something.
Am I toting the nose?

(23:44):
Yet he goes.
No fuck, I need more setback.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
We're out there on a sandbar with the bass boats.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Changing props and stuff.
But you know, two years ago wedecided to get in the glass
boats just because we wanted toexperience it and learn about it
in order for us to build abetter boat.
Right, you know, because somuch of it is the same water
releasing off the hull, howefficient the boat is, whole
shot, it's all the same.

(24:12):
Only difference is you pay80,000 for this boat.
Yes, and you pay 30,000 forthis boat.
It's amazing.
These guys are paying 80,000.
It's people's mindsets.
You?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, it is, it's like okay, they're like people
think fiberglass bass boats areon a much higher bracket than
aluminum boats, right, but it'slike, why?
So we had to test it forourselves.
Okay, so why is that?
You know what about it isdifferent.
You know what I mean To whatdegree, and we learned so much
just from doing it.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah yeah.
I ran my glass boat yesterdayand it's dragging the left side
of the boat, or the right sideof the boat.
When I set her down, watercomes over the back of the deck.
I'm like what the fuck?
What's causing that?
Right, you know?

Speaker 7 (24:59):
so it doesn't matter if it's aluminum or fiberglass,
probably the size of the motoryou got on that son of a bitch?
No, it ain't.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I or fiberglass, probably the size of the motor
you got on that son of a bitch.
No, it ain't.
I need a 450.
He's got some money Twin 450s.
But I think the excited partabout teaming up with you guys
is that we can actually get outthere on the sandbars and try to
educate some folks on whatmodels are what, and educate
some people oh models are what,and, you know, educate some

(25:29):
people.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Oh yeah, a hundred percent, absolutely.
You know, first-time boatowners are people who haven't
owned a boat yet that arelooking to buy their first boat.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
You know it blows my mind too on the page Like you
get on 200, people are likelooking for a Chinese YBS.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Why do people do?

Speaker 4 (25:41):
that.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
I'm like why, yeah, why do people do that?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Why, well it's pretty much the same price.
Now it goes back to you getwhat you pay for it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
You know what I mean why do people sell for less?

Speaker 5 (25:52):
No explanation for that.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't have an explanation for that I mean they
know what they're doing, andthen they want to call and ask
what are they doing wrong?

Speaker 7 (25:59):
What's the price on YBS?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
on the gift shop right now I mean I, I mean, I
don't know, I don't know, it'scheap, it's 350 so spend another
100 bucks to get the real dealright, you don't have to worry
about busting your ear off yourprop.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
The first time you hit a rock or a log, yeah I seen
a ybs a true ybs in the duckwoods cut a tree down.
The guy fired his motor up andcut a tree down with it and run
it and it and it wasn't bent,wasn't tore up, it was dulled a
little bit Right.
You know, the difference inwhat you're paying for boils

(26:33):
down to quality, what kind oftree was it?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
What kind of tree was it?
Because everybody's going towant to know.
I'm going to get a lot of shitover this.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
What kind of tree.
I couldn't tell you how bigwhat kind of tree.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I couldn't tell you what kind of tree it wasn't.
How big was this tree?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
it wasn't probably three inches okay, that's not
even.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's not even, that's not even three inches.
You don't get slammed for that.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I'm serious okay alright well, I mean my six
inches and your six inches maybe different.
I'm just saying you're gonnayou're gonna get handed off.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
You're going to get married to that.
I guarantee it.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
There's not a woman at the table, so I doubt it.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah we can say whatever we want to say.
Our wives aren't here.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's right, but yeah, I'm super stoked.
So tell us a little bit aboutwhat we're going to do this year
with the page and what you'regoing to do for customers.
You know we're going to team up.
Give some gifts away.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
We are.
We've got some prizes in store.
You know these events are toeducate people, yeah, you know,
for people to understand moreabout these setups and these
props, about what models aregoing to best suit them in a
Havoc.
Not only that, but when theyshow up and see an encyclopedia
of… Boat models, well, boatmodels, but just boat
information.
And you look around and you see, man, all these top guys are

(27:49):
running a Havoc boat.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
Yeah, I was going to say there's going to be
different brands there andthey're going to be comparing.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, yeah, absolutely.
They're going to want tocompare.
They're going to hop in andride.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
And we'll have the Freedom Motor down there too, on
Sandbars too, for people to trythat.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
One thing I have realized is that it will be a
long day before anybody cancompare to y'all as far as how
much R&D time y'all have putinto this stuff with each
various model.
There's no comparison on themarket to that.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
There's nobody that's done more testing than us.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
No, not in any part of the boat industry.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I just wonder why we do it so much.
It's crazy.
It's crazy, it's fun.
I guess it's fun.
I like tearing stuff up.
It has to be fun.
It has to be fun.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's mostly self-inflicted.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know like we create our own problems that we
feel like we have to solve.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
We just do the stupid shit.
We're like you think this willwork.
You know, doesn't work.
You know, I mean it's just,it's a part of it, right?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
well, you know you're going to an extreme yeah, right
, you're going to go to anextreme that somebody else is
going to try to think up,because we all know people think
up some pretty wild stuff onthat page.
You know what I mean?
Um, but back to these events.
I mean, uh, getting educated,giving some free stuff away.
We're gonna I believe we'regonna give a havoc boat away,
aren't we?
Um, at the end of, I believe,we're going to give a Havoc boat

(29:04):
away, aren't we?
Yeah, at the end of the fourevents, we're going to give a
Havoc boat away.
Lots of prizes to win.
There's going to be a poker run, there's going to be grudge
races set up, and we're going tomake these grudge races as
simple as possible.
I don't want people showing upthinking we've got a book of
rules, you know what I mean.
Um, you know you're going tohave hunting class and a drag
class.
I'm sure there's going to besome four strokes when we break

(29:26):
it down.
Have some four strokes.
There's also supposed to besome hot mud motors showing up.
Um, I'm pretty excited, man.
We've got some people.
It's supposed to be traveling along ways to show up to some of
these events, you know it'llget bigger as it goes too.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's like the first onewill go and people will see it.
You know, tell everybody andthe next thing you know is
doubling they want to enter wordof mouth.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
You know the last one , that's gonna be flotilla all
over again shutting downsandbars we shut down we shut
down boat ramps before, hadn'twe shot?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
yeah, I mean, we shut down boat ramps before.
Um, biggest thing is peoplebeing able to bring their
families and seeing the fun thatcan be had without all the
partying.
I feel like that's somethingthat killed that flotilla for
the party.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh yeah, that's 100%.
No, it absolutely 100% killedit.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
So everybody stays civil and no drama, nothing like
that.
I think we'll have a goodturnout.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Oh yeah, no drama, nothing like that.
I think we'll have a goodturnout.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Oh yeah, and like we were talking about too, you know
, this being something for theeveryday person and not somebody
that you know has thousands ofdollars in their pocket to go
drag racing that's kind of whywe won't support it because you
know we did the what the theboat races pretty hard we grew
it oh yeah but you know, I thinkme and b scott both realized

(30:46):
that it was just a small crowdof people that are either able
or willing to put that muchright to that, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I mean a lot of people are into sandbar hopping.
Yeah, sandbar hopping is a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
You know a lot more.
I mean, if you look at what wesell every year, you could tell
the Mod 40s is.
We could sell as many Mod 40sas we want to, but really
there's only a small group ofguys that really need a Mod 40.
Yeah, that's right.
You know that's functional inthe Duckwoods.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
If that makes sense, oh, it does.
I mean, the Mod 40 is hard tobeat on the water, but is it
something we recommend in duckwoods?
I know guys that have used itand they're fine, but it's
something I don't want to gamblewith for 2 000 units.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Let me tell you the phone.
You see what I'm saying.
Right, absolutely the phonecalls I've got because I've put
the mod 40s in the drag class.
Yeah, right, because of theweight difference.
I feel like if we're going tomake this fair as possible, we
should put mod 40s in the in thedrag class.
But you know how many messagesI've got saying man, I hunt my
mod 40 yeah, that's gonna comeback back to the motor, though a
lot of people hunt the mod 40and you can hunt a mod 40.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
We just don't recommend it, right, you know?
Because mathematically, if youput out 2 000 units of mod 40s,
you know somebody's gonna screwthem up.
Yeah, you know.
So you know we keep them low.
We don't ship a lot of mod 40sout, right, you know?
The guys that really put thetime and money in the setup and
you know the motor, they get theMod 40s Right.

(32:12):
See, so there's a difference,you know, and you just you take
a Mod 40, then you go to theRDPST.
That's the honey version of theMod 40.
Yes, right.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
A little bit heavier, that's what you guys need Best
of both worlds, it's all aroundI mean you know you've got the
steps on the back.
The functionality of it is barnone.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, and the same hole.
So it's like you know you gotthe performance there.
It's a little heavier, you knowit's stronger.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I've been ribs, ribs, I mean.
It can definitely withstand theforce of hunting with it on the
top end.
On the top end, the rdbst willwill, shine it will because it's
it's more stable.
It's like a heavy bullet versusa light bullet, right?
Um, the whole shot between thetwo and 660, the mod 40 is gonna
win, right?
So there's a difference betweenthe two models, different
situation, right, you knowhunting and versus drag racing.
So that's the main thing.

(33:07):
And I see a lot of people onfacebook asking what's the
difference of the mock oneversus the marsh runner, right,
you know.
And they, you know, the mockone, um, we built that boat,
what we built the boat?
What?
Three, four years ago, fiveyears ago, yeah, a long time ago
.
You know, it's my personal boat, because I was a wussy, I
didn't want to drive a 553 youknow.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
So we build that boat right and then he goes down
there.
He's like well, you know, Iwant speakers in my boat, I want
trim package in my boat, I want.
I'm like, dude, they don't makea class for how much weight you
got right now like he had thelittle box in there too.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I had like I had like 200 pounds of amps and speakers
in that thing, oh my.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Lord, You're 200 pounds above the heaviest class
Dude that thing would vibrate.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I mean it would vibrate the lids.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
But you look cool.
But you look cool, dude.
It was hitting hard.
Can I get a book like that?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, Dude, I know you, I'm coming in cruising.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
It would vibrate the lids.
It would bounce up every timeit hit.
Could you flip a quarter and Ilost, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Oh yeah, you lost.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
No, I think I beat somebody.
I think I beat somebody.
There's a shrimp bow, there Ibeat a shrimp bow.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
It had like this big-ass net pole on the back.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I'm pretty sure it had bowls in the rod rack.
I smoked his ass.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
But I was hoping to just go to race B Scott, but
then it matches up.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
That would probably have been a good race.
I think B Scott would probablybeat you.
He would have beat me.
I definitely got him.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I would have screwed him on light in a second.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I would have goosed him.
I don't care if I get DQ'd.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
I'm beating him it.
If I get DQ'd, I'm beating them.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
If you get DQ'd, it's just the picture at the end.
It gets posted, right.
It doesn't matter, supposedly.
It doesn't matter how you win,huh.
So that's the world we live intoday, right, but it's all fun
and games, I guess, at the end.
But no, I'm super stoked aboutthe Tiller page.
I think it's good for thecommunity.

(35:06):
It is the.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Tiller Handle community it is, and I think it
gets kind of people looking fromthe outside, looking in, they
see all the drama, they see allthe you know people fighting and
arguing and they think, okay,this is not something I want to
get involved in.
It looks toxic, it looks likeyou know, it looks like a bad
deal.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
But that's not necessarily what it is.
That's not what it wasoriginally about, no, it wasn't,
man.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
It was originally about getting people together,
right, and everybody sharing thesame joy.
You know, everybody liked to.
I had a 25, right, I had theodd boat out.
Every guy I run with had Havocboats, did they not?
Shockley, everybody and I wasthe one edge with a 25 Yamaha.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Everybody else had Mercury's.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I think I remember that, you know, and I would race
the Mercury's.
It wasn't because I thought Iwas going to win, because I was
having fun doing it.
Yeah, you know, and that's whatsome of these guys there's a
lot of fun to be had.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Do you think it's a younger generation getting in
that kind of like warped it overtime, or do you think it's just
?
I mean, what's your take on it?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I mean, there was a lot of shit talking before, but
it was just like it was realshit talking, Like today it's
just internet shit talking.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
It's just like troll.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's a different kind of shit talking yeah it's like
you was taken serious to a pointwhere you showed up in your
race or you got called out onthe page.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, I got called out on boat racing.
I said Shock Leader B Scott tothat guy, yeah, and he put on
that he was going to bet me like$20,000.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
I remember this, if I showed up with $20,000 cash and
we smoke your ass.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Are you going to pay me?
No, no, why would you even saythat?

Speaker 7 (36:52):
I mean that's kind of crazy, it is.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That's kind of crazy and I know that guy and we know
you.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I mean, really, you're betting me?
There's a higher chance that Igot 20K than you do.
Just because I'm maybe 45 yearsold.
I mean, I've been buildingboats my whole life and working
hard.
Maybe I might have 20K.
Why would you want to bet 20K?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
on a race anyway.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Why would you even say that?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
That's a big gamble.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Are you sure you want to bet 20K on our strongest
motor?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I mean for 20K you're going to bring the baddest unit
you got We'll spend 40K to makesure we don't lose 20.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yes, I mean like it's like 20K on motor.
Well, let's think about this.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I've got pictures and videos of the fastest motor
around against a Havoc.
It was versus a Mirage and a300 drag motor, yeah, and 660
foot.
That Havoc won.
You know what's even crazier?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, it did win.
Yeah, Brian Jensen won.
Yeah, and I'm going to tell yousomething that's crazier about
the 20K bet.
I would have gave somebody$10,000 and say, hey, who has
the baddest freaking motor onthis planet?
Here's 10K.
Come down here and race thisguy.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
I mean this kid is outmatched.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
You know what I mean this is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I got on there and said this is the way I would
take this bet.
And we talk all the time aboutit.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I'm like this is ridiculous, you can't take it
serious.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
If you beat the guy and take his money, you're going
to be the bad person.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
There's no win.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's like you take it too serious.
If you show up and beat them,it's like fighting an old guy,
it's like one it's bad if youlose.
You got your ass kicked by anold guy or two, you kicked the
old guy's ass.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
There's no win, it's a lose-lose.
No, it's a lose-lose for us Ifwe went out there and drug his
ass.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
We'd be hated all over Facebook.
They but guaranteed if you wonhe would have run you into the
mud had you not paid him everydollar.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Oh, I guarantee it, he wouldn't have won.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
No he wouldn't have won.
No, no.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
He wouldn't have won For 20K dude.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I'm not betting 20K.
No, I wouldn't bet your motormight blow up halfway too.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, I mean, we've been there, we've had it, you
know, wiped out and all of asudden boom.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
you're like oh, not good.
It probably ran the best itever did.
Three runs before that, too,didn't it?
Oh, no, yeah, yeah, it wasrunning good.

Speaker 7 (39:15):
I'm like this thing is loose and fast.
I don't know nobody in theracing world that that happened
to.
Oh B Scott lost a– Big West.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
It was a couple years ago.
All of our top four boats brokedown.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
In one race.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Before yeah, it was B .
Scott broke down, josh brokedown.
Did you break down?
I broke down.
Yeah, you broke down.

Speaker 7 (39:34):
Dick West broke down.
No, no, he didn't, he won hewon yeah, we all broke

Speaker 2 (39:39):
down yeah he won it.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
Man, everybody's breaking down at once.
They sure was.
Yeah, he was in another brandof boats that's when they won.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Nick West but it is what it is.
We don't want to bring that up.
He grew up, he came from theRepublican side, but anyways he
knew the truth.
I called the results.
The gas station before that'ssomething

Speaker 3 (40:05):
nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I've heard that story we told him what was going to
happen if he won and what wasgoing to happen if he lost, and
word for word is what happened.
Yeah, and that's when heswapped.
Yep, you know, you judge people.
You know what I'm saying.
You judge people.
You know who you're dealingwith, right, but you know.

(40:30):
Back to the arkansas tillerpage.
You know what.
You know what you guys aretrying to do for arkansas tiller
page.
You talked about bringingpeople together, but we're going
to do a, a decoy.
We're going to do a decoy drop.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yes, yeah, now it's going to be cool.
Tell us about the decoy drop.
So the decoy drop.
We're going to have a dozendecoys, right, right, um, and
we're going to drop them allover the state at various
locations.
We're going to have a pin dropfor each decoy, right?
Each decoy is going torepresent a different prize.
You're not going to know whatthat prize is until you find the
decoy.
To get into this, though,you're going to pay, just like a

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raffle.
You're going to pay X amount ofdollars to get in on the site.
Once you get in on the site, ata certain time, them GPS
coordinates will be dropped.
On the side, at a certain time,them GPS coordinates will be
dropped.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
You- can get on there and find them.
If you find that decoy, you letus know.
How are you going to get peoplefrom not sharing the GPS
coordinates of the people?
That's a real good question.
That's the problem I thoughtabout.
That could be a problem, itcould be.
So what if they start sharing,getting multiple people looking
for the decoy?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
That's a good question.
So we've got to have a way to.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I think they're going to have to do it like people
are going to have to cometogether in one location maybe.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, I don't know how you would do it, we did a
decoy draw, we did an event likethat one time.
It was how many years ago.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
It was like 15.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I was probably like eight, yeah, but we went to back
then it was called a mud fastand we would go to these mud
fasts and we'd run our mud boatsbut they had a decoy drop and
everybody there got coordinates.
But everybody there got thecoordinates.
It wasn't like we didn't have.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Facebook back then like we do now, so maybe we get
everybody to meet up in onelocation.
Maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Or we didn't think about that, or we let many
people in and when everybody'sin, drop them all at one time.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Or whatever town you're going to do the first
event in, or one of the eventsin everybody's in town, like the
night before or whatever.
Have it there that time, well,right.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
So to get your chance at winning the Havoc boat, you
have to show up.
That's the only way you can buyyour chance.
And you have to show up to allfour events.
Yes, right, okay, I got you.
So you pay 25 to get yourraffle ticket at event one.
You pay your 25 at event two,event three and event four.

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At event four, you turn themfour tickets into me and you get
your draw ticket.
You fill that draw ticket out,you hand it to me.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
That means you got to be present to win and I think
we should do a mock one giveawayokay.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
That would be cool.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
They would get Mach 1 , then we'll get.
Maybe we'll get somebody topick up the motor for us, and
you see that guys contact us ifyou guys want to pimp the boat
out.
Yeah, absolutely yes, but youknow we could pimp the boat out
trailer maybe a four-strokemotor Right Because it hauls ass

(43:09):
.
Maybe a four-stroke motor Right, you know, because of Hall's
ass with a four-stroke.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Did y'all see that video?
Oh, I have.
I have seen that video.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
You see how clean that boat was.
Yes, I did.
You see it releasing the wateroff the back.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
It wasn't riding a wave of water.
No, it didn't have a wave ofwater, sorry, I had to go there
clean.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
the boat ran, though how efficient it looked good
that boat was running over 50miles an hour.
Oh wow, that's crazy it wouldbe nice.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I mean, I believe it's a hot murk.
Yeah, it was four strokes yeah,four strokes.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
No, it's nasty with the two strokes too, yeah that
force for top end speed thatboat would run probably faster
than 80 percent of the nosefloaters on the internet oh yes
yeah, yes, oh.
I know it would.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
And it's a four-stroke guys I mean.
So back to floating the nose.
I don't want you to start onfloating the nose.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I mean we even built a shirt called the Nose Floaters
.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
No, it was like floating the nose with the bros.
Oh yeah, that's what the shirtsaid.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
That's what the shirt said.
Yeah, float the nose with thebro, but I get you.
What are you going to say aboutthe nose floaters?
If you float the nose so highyou can't see around the bow,
you're not doing nothing great.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I've seen the video of the other day on TikTok he
showed the video of the boatgoing by and he showed them his
view.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
His view he could see a damn thing.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Looking at his feet, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I'm like that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I mean it is stupid.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I mean, I really can't see over the boat You're
going to kill somebody.
Yeah, I mean, I can't believeit hasn't Run them over.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
It may have but I can't believe it hasn't happened
.
Listen, guys, it's coming Twonose floaters got tied up
together halfway in the middleof the river.
I mean.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
I can see the headlines.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I mean, come on, I have the same problem with a
bass boat.
I have a 22-inch screen, a16-inch screen and a 12-inch
screen.
I can't see over the bow.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Any guy bets me $20,000.
Different scenario.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I mean, that's the biggestproblem.
I just can't see over Bassboats have the same problem,
have you seen all the bass boatsnowadays.
Oh yeah, they have all thesescreens up front.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
I got like 75 inches of screen in my boat.
75?
I don't know he's not joking.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
I don't know if 75 is accurate, but I know there's
three in the front and three inthe back.
There's maybe more.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I don't know.
22 and 16 is 38.
Well, let's not count it up 38and 12.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
There's 50.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Well, Darrell what are you talking about?
You got a lot of screen inthere too.
What is that?
Just the front, 50 in the front.
It's 52 in the front.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's the same thing.
In the back he's got 100 inches.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
He got more inches of screen on his boat than I got
in my house.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
I don't give a damn about my house watching fish
swim by Seeing those fish, Imean I got a 70-inch screen too,
so I'm not bashing it.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Hey, we caught 80 pounds of bass yesterday.
Yeah, that's what Darrell wastelling me yeah we're not going
to tell where we went, though.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
But we did catch a lot of fish.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
You want to drop me a pin?
Yeah Well, I mean, darrell, youcaught a 9.6.
Yeah, seven.
Why do we have to bring thatshit up?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
or if I would have caught the seven.
I wouldn't have brought it up,listen, if he were to caught the
seven he wouldn't have broughtit up.
Yeah, but anyways, best get backto my point.
Basketballs have the sameproblem you can't see over the
bow, right?
I mean, I had a double, thenone on top, triple stack,
whatever they call it and Icouldn't see over the bow.
It made me nervous.
So we came back to the boatplant.
We built us a, a mount thatwould stack them, but tuck them,
you know, tuck them in therewhere I could see over my bow

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and see to the right side of myboat, because I was afraid I was
gonna run somebody over, right?
So I can't imagine you get,especially especially like in a
river.
You get 40, you get 40.
How do you?
know like when yeah, a wall,yeah that was like you know,
throw it over the water.
You know when a wall is there?
Because it's all over the water.
We're going to get some serioushate over this, by the way.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Oh, it'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
We love every, each and every one of you that's me
every day.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
That's like Cat.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Williams said if you don't have some haters, you're
doing something wrong.
We're going to get some serioushaters.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
It's going to be a popcorn night.
It's going to be a popcornnight.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I this is going to be a popcorn night.
This is going to be a popcornnight.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I invite all the haters to come and get some
education and if you come to allfour, you got a chance to win
in a Havoc.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
That's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Hate all you want, we'll still give you a Havoc.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Everybody's coming.
But you guys, they all knowwe'll help them with any vote.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Absolutely here, where people will be messaging
Tim and they're like it'll be anedge up here.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
He's up here helping them set that up.
We got one here now.
That's a big.
I think it needs to be outthere.
More is y'all's customerservice.
It's bar none to any otherbrand.
I don't care what sizeFiberglass, metal, the customer
service is bar none.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
We just love it.
Man, we had a guy a coupleweeks ago.
He owns an ambush and he textedme.
He said, man, ambush is closeddown, but I know you're the man
to talk to.
You know, even though he has anambush, I still helped him out,
right?
You know his boat ran bad.
You know boat ran bad, you know, and Jimmy's a super good dude.

(48:08):
I know Jimmy I mean Jimmy'stalked a lot of times.
We used to checkmate each other.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
You know, like hey, I got a customer.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Hey, I got a customer , you know, but he's a super
good dude and I just called himup and you know we got the
customer taken care of, and youknow.
So that's what's important tome, is take care of people.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
And that's another reason for these events.
It don't matter your boat brand, what motor you run, who built
your motor.
It doesn't matter.
Y'all show up and if you needhelp, ask for it.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
I average about three to four messages on.
Facebook every night, charlie,wasn't it, shotley?
I used to do it on Facebookevery night, shotley.
Wasn't you an ambush guy?
I was an ambush guy.
Ain't that how I met you guystogether?
It is.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, told you that's the truth.
He owned Ambush and he neededsome help with it, and I helped
him out.
Now he works here.
But, we're good friends, youknow Right, and, seriously,
probably one of my.
So it is what it is.
But Ambush did that, you knowRight.

Speaker 7 (49:08):
And I still talk to Jimmy every week.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah, I talk to Jimmy too.
I mean, I talk to Jimmy too.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Jimmy's a good guy for sure, yeah, and that's
something about these Zambarevents.
We want to bring everybodytogether, and you get such a
wealth of knowledge from allthese people being there that
they're never all in one placelike what we're trying to
achieve here.
And then there ought to not bea question out there that can't
be answered by at least one ormultiple people there, and it's

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going to have a little bit ofdrama there, yeah, yeah, because
people.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
By nature.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
People want this, yeah, by nature yeah people want
this boat brain war thing toexist.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I mean man that page it shockingly probably remembers
we used to have a deal calledas the prop turns, yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
It was almost what episode of drama we're going to
have it was mainly focusedaround us.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
It was a lot of times , for sure.
For sure, the Tiller page did alot of stuff for us.
It did, but it was mainlyfocused around us and our race
team.
Yeah, I remember I drank a lotof whiskey that time.
Yeah, back in the day.
Tiller Page wasn't too friendlyto us, but it came around and I

(50:15):
think people's getting moreeducated in who we are.
I think this podcast has helpeda lot too.
No, I think it has, becausewe're just normal people.
I don't know what the hell theythought we were, but we're just
normal.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
I mean there's so many misconceptions there.
You know you hear all the badstuff but nobody ever says the
good things y'all done.
You know you help this man setup his boat and another guy set
up the same thing.
You hear one side of the storyand you take it for face value
versus.
You know the smart thing to dowould be to come to you and ask
you?

Speaker 4 (50:44):
what's your take on that story?
That's just like you know.
People like to their boat up.
You give them a new boat.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Yeah, and they'll put it on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
They tore the boat up .
They don't tell the other sideof that yeah.
I got a new boat.
I got a new boat.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
You also hit a rock down, yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
It's my insurance claim, but you know, recently
one was a different brand but itwas your and yeah we took care
of them and you live with ahabit I don't remember specifics
on it, but I do remember uh,maybe it was last year a guy got
on the page and was really justbashing you, man, and he did
not buy the boat from y'all.
This was like a second handthing that he bought a used boat

(51:21):
and just trashed that thing andat the end of the day, y'all
still after him, you know badmouth, yes, stood behind that
and fixed that boat.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I always tell people, man, you're the one laying your
head on that pillow and not me.
I'm doing what's right.
And you know a lot of peoplewon't understand that, you know.
And you start talking to them.
I say look, you can throwstones if you want to, but
you're the one sleeping on it,not me.
You can throw stones if youwant to, but you're the one
sleeping on it, not me.

(51:49):
You know I'm doing what's right.
You know, and no matter what,no matter what it costs me, no
matter what it I don't want todo right by people.
You know that's the way I wantto be treated.
And a lot of people have a lotof problems with that, like they
don't expect that.
You know they always expectlike, hey, they're going to rip
me off or they're trying to takemy money.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Well, they try lying, or they did something broke
something start with lying andit's like listen, you know,
we've seen a lot of issues,We've seen a lot of we
understand kind of what it takesto do this to a boat.
You know what I mean?
Yes, so I mean, if you justtell me the truth, I mean we're
going to stand behind it,regardless what you say so, and
that comes back to r and d yeahyou know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Faults are let's have a confidence.
So you take brian, jess andshockley, you take all these
guys, daryl, you take all thesepeople that run our boats year
round and they're.
You know, when we tell them,tear the boat up, tell me where
we're screwing up at right.
You know, when they don't haveno fear, when they have the
confidence of the manufacturerbehind them, then they're really

(52:52):
going to give you an honest,honest results right, yes, you
know how many times have I askedyou.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
Are you sure you want me to test this boat where I
hunt?
Yes out there it's rough whereI'm like.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I'm like I gotta know .
I was like we have to know ifit's going to be it right there
or not.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
That's like like how Q-Tip wanted to have it after he
went hunting with me, becausehe was like dude, you don't care
, I'm like I'm going to find out.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
You know, I see the trees.
You have to find out.
That's what's the problem.
How can you take somebody'smoney?
How can you take somebody'smoney not knowing?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:23):
How did you do that?
I had an MSTC.
He's like dude.
I did it on the first day.
I just ran over a little bittycypress knee.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
I'm like okay, no shot.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
No shot.
No, you didn't, no, you didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know, like how do you really know?
Just think about this how canyou really take somebody's money
not knowing what your productis made of?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Or what it's capable of.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Or how do you take somebody's money where you don't
have enough confidence in yourproduct that you can offer a
warranty, like we do?
You've got to have some balls.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
And there's nobody on Facebook that can say they
don't have Tim Scott's phonenumber.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
No, it's all over my page you can go in there and
type Tim Scott and find hisnumber.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
15 different posts.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
That's one thing that we have confidence in and
that's why we enjoy teaming upwith you guys, because we want
people to know like, hey, youknow, we do this for a living,
this is our passion, this iswhat we do.
This is not like we don't cometo work to work.
We come to work to enjoy ourpassion and what we're doing.
We're giving you guys somethingthat's badass right, you know,

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and I think you know, I mean Isaw tiller page.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Can can help us achieve that because you know we
went down the sanctioned boatracing and they really did not
do nothing for us.
No, no, so it's such a smallcrowd.
Yes, it's not the everyday guylike y'all mentioned earlier.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
You know well how can we help the most people with
what we do.
Well, this is a no-brainer, soI'll tell you, it's the every
everyday guy when me and timwere talking, he said you know
you want to race.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
No man, my racing days are done.
If, if, um, I can show theeveryday guy that's got a family
, he hunts, he fishes, why heshould have had it.
Have it more so rather thanracing.
Right, you know that, like yousaid, that crowd's very small.
It's a very small crowd, I mean, you know, but do you have your
everyday sandbar guy that youknow might want to get out and

(55:16):
have some sandbar fun?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
yeah, there's a bunch of, there's more sandbar racers
than there'll ever be atpineville.

Speaker 7 (55:22):
Yeah, that's what he's got racing at that level
how many miles have we driven torace these same people?

Speaker 1 (55:30):
over and over.
Yeah, we show up like welcomeback.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
So you got all these people saying, oh, we're showing
up to the next one.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
We're going to come to the next one.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
They don't show up Right.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
And man, how many times have we had 100, 130, 140
boats show up just for some fun?
No, money, money involved.
Don't cost you nothing to getin.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
No, you go to a sandbar, you drink a little beer
.
Have a good time, you don'thave to drink beer.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
You can take your family out there.
I'm taking my family.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I'm taking my kids.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
It's a different.
Yeah, wow, that's right.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I didn't mean anybody get drunk.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
That's just a disclaimer there.
I'm just making the point youcould if I bring my family.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
I'm still drinking a beer yes, I am too, responsibly,
and that's where the racing gotto.

Speaker 7 (56:14):
It just got more fun to go down to Morro Bay and race
on the sandbars and relax andchill.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
No drama you can be like, hey, let's go, me and you,
why not some of them?

Speaker 2 (56:25):
boats that talk, all that smack on the internet.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Well, they won't show up, they won't back it up.
No, no, they show up.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
They just won't pull their boat off the sandbar look
at the hole runner, for example.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
You know so many people talk trash about oh, you
know that's I'm going, I'm going, I'm going.
And the last two years that youknow we were doing that thing,
there was minimal people thatshowed up.
You know they frank built thatmotor and the guy wasn't even
there.
That won it.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Right, Right.
Well, I mean people want stuff.
Yeah, they want stuff.
I mean we get it.
We're trying to educate people.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Yes.
We're trying to educate peoplewith stuff and, like Hubble
stated, you know this is free.
We're not charging anybodyanything.
To come out here, you knowwhether you want to put in your
money to try to win that boat ora prize, or, you know, play
poker, whatever this is, or ifyou just need help setting your
boat up, yeah, and, and there'sgonna be, I'm sure there'll be

(57:16):
every model y'all have.
So you know people who havenever owned a boat.
You know that is perfectopportunity for them to come
down there and take a ride inthe boat of their choosing and
see how that boat and it helpsto achieve customer service.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I mean more boats we sell, better customer service we
can provide.
It costs money, right, you know, if you take all the money we
spend on customer service, youknow I mean you can be more
strict about it, maybe, likemost companies are, and maybe
put some of that money in yourpocket.
But man, I was shocked when wejust want to give, give back and
do what's right a lot ofcompanies just they don't do

(57:46):
that.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
Yeah, they sell the boat and it's done deal.
It's on you after that.
Yeah, they don't do that, youcan't get hold of them.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, I like it how these companies like this is for
all you boat manufacturers outthere like to do this shit.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I like when manufacturers say oh, we're not
going to warrant that becauseyou got too much setback on your
boat.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
Dude a true testament to that and was something.
What kind of bullshit is that?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Like if your trans is not strong enough for 15 inches
of setback, then you need toredesign your boat.
Yeah, Right yeah, I mean youneed to design your boat for the
worst situation, not the best.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Something that was really shocked me was when me
and Hubble came and took a tourof the plant.
And me was when me and hubblecame and took a tour of the
plant and you know we're seeingyour boat graveyard back there
and you know that was.

Speaker 7 (58:34):
That was just warranty stuff.
You know, something breaks andit's not supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
They don't see that side of habit and a lot of and a
lot of that stuff is uh, just,man, I replaced the boat one
time.
Well, I ain't gonna say becauseyou're gonna have 50 people out
there doing the same shit, butit was, was we shouldn't have
replaced it.
Yeah, you know.
But you know, some people takeadvantage of it.
Some people use it as aninsurance policy and I tell them

(58:57):
, I call them out on it prettyquick, right, you know, I say
you can tell me the truth andyou can sit here and lie to me,
but the more you lie to me, themore you know.
But getting back to it, youknow it's all.
This is what we do.
We enjoy it and we want toeducate people and we do need to
do better to educate people.

(59:18):
We do build so many differentmodels, right, like when do you
need an MSTC?
When do you need a VJ?
A VJ.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
We break it down.
What's the purpose of?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
VJ.
You know a VJ.
We hunt out of a VJSTC.
The reason why we hunt out ofit we bow hunt, deer hunt,
because we carry a lot of gearand we want a light boat.
It's open.
It's wide open.
No gun trays, nothing.
It's just wide open.
It's super light.
We get blood in the boat.
We can wash it out.
So there's a lot of differentreasons why we run that model

(59:51):
right.
The dbsts, that's the workhorseof all boats.
I mean that's just going to getthe job done and flooded timber
you can beat the shit out of itand set up for an outboard, not
an mstc, you know right.
Then you get your rdbst.
That's guys that wants a littletwo-stroke performance motors.
Then you got the mod 40s.
Right.
Then you got the big stuff.
So I mean there's boats foreverybody for every application.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
That's right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
There's a model for every application that you can
think of yep, um, I got a guyright now and we got his boat.
He has a 1553 rdb stc with awith a 74 stroke yamaha on it
and it's slowed down with thegills.
It has a heavy-duty motor inthe market.
It has a built-in gas tank inthe front of the boat Rod box.

(01:00:37):
I mean it is the heaviest 553I've ever seen in my life.
It's loaded down, Okay.
That's like if an elephant haddeer hooves.
Yeah, Okay, it just won't work.
It's something that's going togo through no sand, Right?
You know what I mean.
You're going to get buried upand you know that's the problem.

(01:00:57):
People just don't understand.
Like you can take an 1860 witha 60 horse or you can put a 553
with a 60 horse and you're notgoing to lose that much speed.
You know name my mic off no,you know, but you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
So it makes a huge difference on what model you
pick, so maybe you guys can helpus with that oh, we're going to
we're excited for absolutely,yeah, my, I think this
partnership is going to bereally good for everybody it
will be good for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And you know, and, like I said, it don't matter
what boat brand you got, whobuilt your motor.
I mean, show up and just have agood time, see, see why the top
guys that's got all theinformation are running the
habit.
You know, there's more thanjust a boat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I think it's going to be a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
And they can run other brands too.
They just need to know, youknow.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Education yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
And it gets you guys back out to what you guys enjoy.
You know?
Yeah, absolutely.
Are you guys ready for this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Man, I'm more than ready, I'm pumped for it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
We probably had nights where we lost sleep over
just thinking about.
You know how far we could takethis thing, and you know what we
want to build it up to.
Well, your page has done a goodjob.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
It is, I mean it's done a good job.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
There's a lot of different personalities, a lot
of different personalities, andit's one of a kind man.
Never did I think, when Istarted that page, that I would
end up you know, and it beingwhat it is today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Why do you still do it?
I mean you just like to beinvolved in boats.
I've always enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I enjoy boats, I enjoy the boat life.
I mean, it's the people that'swrapped around it.
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
There's a lot of good people out there, even the
people that talk on the Internet.
You meet them in person.
They're really cool people.
They are.
It's just the Internet doessomething to people.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
Yeah, I'm sure a bunch of people think I'm an
asshole.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
See, I think you're a good person.
I think you're an asshole, darAsshole.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Darryl, what do you think?
Here for yeah, he definitelyHe'll piss you off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Oh yeah, there's no way he will have you in your
feelings so fast.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
There's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Shocker will be there If y'all want to meet Shocker
in person, you have to hit oneof his sandboxes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Shocker will be at sandbox, for sure.
Shocker has that personality.
He didn't stop, do you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
enjoy that.
Yes, once I know I got underyour skin.
He's the one who keepshammering.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Why do you enjoy it so much?
I don't know.
I'm an asshole Really.

Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
You're really the nicest guy ever, dude.
He's so nice, but on theinternet, dude, he'll piss you
off quick.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
A known feather ruffler.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I used to be way worse on that page.
Do you wake up every morning?

Speaker 7 (01:03:33):
first thing, and do you look at tiller page?
I used to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
I mean, I did too man I spent hours and hours and
hours on that tiller page like Iwouldn't watch shows.
Yeah, I would.
I would spend hours and I meanwe've had some posts.
It's thousand twelve hundredcomment posts.
Oh yeah, get your popcornbecause there's gonna be some
good stuff to read in that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
I promise you my wife's on that page now.
It wasn't long a couple weeksago she said I'm going to have
to delete this page.
These people piss me off, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
And you learn to take it with a grain of salt.
You know you do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Some of those guys are just young people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
And that's another reason for these events.
These young guys, I think, needto understand that.
You know there's not a wholelot of seriousness with some of
the old heads.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
There's some talent people, some smart people on
that page.
I mean you got.
I mean even some of these boatracers.
There is these 45, 50-year-oldboat racers.

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
Man, there's a Like Allison I mean Josh Walsh on
there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
You got Mitch Hardy on there, Y'all know who Mitch
Hardy is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, Mitch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Hardy.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
He's an older gentleman from South Carolina
that was doing this when we wereall babies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
There's a lot of shit in diapers.
There's a lot of people, a lotof good talent on that page.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
Ain't Ron Hill on that page?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
And hopefully we can just bring it all together in
person, ron Hill, has sponsoredthe whole runner several times
with props.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
I mean ron hill keeps up with the page, oh yeah um, I
mean, man, there's some bignames on that page.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Yeah, there is, there is.
I don't think people realizethat.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
They don't, they don't realize it, and and and
there's a bunch of game wardenson it too, in case y'all don't
know that, oh yeah and you can'tfilter the game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
You know austin booth himself.
When he was director he was onthat page, yeah you know really,
he was.
He came to me wanting to usethat page for for agfc feedback,
oh my god.
And he got tore up.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Oh man, man, they were ruthless to that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
They showed no mercy, no mercy, no.
And I told him that beforebeforehand, when we talked, I
said, man, you know you'rewelcome to use that page, but I
think you're asking for it yeahyou know them guys are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
So he just walked up in there and said hey, I'm, I'm
so, so, so he sent me, so hesent me a message cookies or
something well, I mean I don'tthink you got any damn cookies.
The, the you know, he, he sentme a private message he's into
now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Yeah, he sent me a private message several times
was like, man, you know what,what's it gonna take to be a
part of the page?
I was like, well, uh, you knowyou, you can't use the page for
incriminating evidence, for oneyou know, they will, and and so
I.
That was agreed upon.
So, man, I just want to useyour page for duck hunter
feedback.
I'm like, yeah, well I mean youcan, man, but you know they're

(01:06:12):
ruthless on there there's also apage called arkansas duck
hunters.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Right, he can go there right right, you know um,
I don't know.
They're ruthless on that page.
Same people, anything with duckhunts.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
It is a lot of the same people.
That duck hunt's tough boy.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, it's tough, it's tough,it's not like it used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Is it getting worse?
I feel like it is.

Speaker 6 (01:06:37):
I feel like it's getting worse.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
And I feel like that's one of these events that
are important.
Man, Educate these man.
There's no sportsmanship, nomore.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Everybody hates each other.

Speaker 7 (01:06:46):
Yeah, in person.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Yeah, it's a love story.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I mean just like he said.
I mean that's what these eventsare for.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Yeah, you know it's to get to know one another.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I think Havoc can help with that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
I agree.
You know the atmosphere thatnot just Havoc brings, but the
atmosphere of that sandbar manall the years.
Remember one fight happening no.

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
I never remember, I've never seen a fight on one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I ain't either.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I've seen more at boat races.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Yeah, I mean, I've never seen, you know, I've seen
more guys show up and enjoythemselves and, you know, get a
plethora of information, tryprops, you know, and there's the
right guys there to give youthe right information.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Oh yeah, that's what's going to be so great
about it?

Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
Some set of kings will be there.
Yeah, 100%, westbrook,westbrook.
I talked to Cuzz yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Right Westbrook will be there.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Cuzz will be there.
Cuzz will be there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Nick West.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
He's all about sandbars.
I talked to him yesterday.
He called me yesterday and waswanting to low down on.
You know what the dynamics weregoing to be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
He called me and I was fishing.
He told me I forget to call himthat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
He said boy two of them are hard to get a hold of
when they're fishing.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Oh boy we're fishing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
We're ripping lips.
Well, he's already getting ahold of when he's duck hunting.
Well, yeah, that's right cuzthat's on top of the ear because
you already get old up, becauseyou're hunting fish and
everything Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Trout fish.
Your duck hunts turkey huntsnow your deer hunts.
Like I don't even know when hehas time to hunt work Turkey
hunting's it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
For me it's if I could hunt those as much as you
could hunt ducks or deer I wouldprobably give it all up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I don't know, man, I like ripping lips.
I'm a bad bass fishing rightnow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
It's tough boy Ripping lips is fun, man, it
don't get no better than youknow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
When the turkeys are doing it right, I think maybe
all the walking, mosquitoes andsweating and the rain and the
hot and the cold.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
You have to go to other states.
That's Arkansas.
Maybe that's what it is.
Yeah, you're just not inArkansas buddy, I like killing
Monarchas.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
The turkey is fun, but I'm telling you it's better
than turkey hunting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
It's elk hunting.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
It's like turkey hunting on steroids yeah, it's
way better If I could pick one.
I've never been.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
I've not been.
I spent some time in Coloradoand I've seen some big elk.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
But it's, if you love , turkey hunting, just elk
hunting is a.
Screaming in your face.
I like to do all of it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
That's my problem.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, we're always looking forward to the next
thing, hey that's.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
Gus's problem.
You can't appreciate whatseason it is You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Well, turkey, season's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
And it's like this season goes out and the next one
comes right in.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You got hunt season fishing season.
Hunt season fishing season.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Never stop.
We can make up seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yeah, I mean it don't matter what, it is Sandbar
season it's time to feed thedeer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
With a tractor season .
Yeah, a tractor season, youknow we can make all kinds of
seasons up.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
That's it, man.
Yeah, with a hardcore huntertoo, I'd say the true test on a
relationship is that first yearin it and they realize, you know
, they think oh, duck season's60 days.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
That's 60 days, that's I can get past this, and
then you're like, oh it's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
It's crappy season now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Oh, it's turkey season now, oh, it never ends,
yeah, oh it's getting worse theolder I get.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
My wife's like what the yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
what are you doing now?
It's bad season.
It's time to go fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
It's time to go fishing, that's right well, in
the off season you can coyotehunt yeah, yeah, see, I ain't
got anything.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
I hope, I hope I don't get into that you're going
to spend some money becauseyeah, everything costs so much,
don't it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
whatever set up everything you do is going to
cost money.
It costs a lot of money.
It's golf season now.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
Oh, yeah, hey, we did get some golf we did get some
golf carts yeah we were racing,we're not very good though we're
way better building boats thanwe are golfing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
I've never golfed.
I think we're better driving agolf cart around.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
That's a fact.
Those are our little.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
GPS monitors.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Hey, these new golf carts run 30 miles an hour.
Oh God, here we go, and thewhole shot is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
I know this is fitting out.
I tested it out.
We're going to win.
We're going to win.
Hey, they're pretty fast.

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
Are they here, I don't know.
Maybe we'll get them out of arace house.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I think we're going to screw some turkeys Street
racing golf carts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
We're going to screw some turkeys up with them too,
oh yeah, for sure man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
This was good man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
I'm glad y'all guys came and we got to talk about it
.
This is a fun podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
We're super excited.
Yeah, they really are.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Man, all I got to say is there's a lot of big things
to come.
You know we're going to do morethan just a decoy drop.
You know we've got some otherevents planned for next year.
So it's just going to getbigger and better.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
And for people that don't know where you can find
all this stuff on the ArkansasTiller Handle page on Facebook
is all this information.
It's a good community If you'vegot boat questions, anything
like that knowledge, in thatgroup and man.
I think this wraps it up guys.
Thanks for coming again anddude, you got to check it out.
See us on the sandbar.
Make sure you leave a like,subscribe and hit the bell for
notifications.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Also to our uh new fishing shirts we got in yeah,
everybody's but these guys butgot some new towels, got some
bucket hats.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Spring season's here, make sure you stock up, get
ready we also got.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Uh, we're going to launch Arkansas Taylor Handel
merchandise website.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Oh yeah, that's good, that's awesome, so you guys be
looking for that too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
That's going to be cool.
Yeah, we've got a lot of coolthings in store.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
I'm excited for Sandbars.
Let's do it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:59):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I'm ready for it, I know you.

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