March 17, 2025 • 49 mins
Matt Martin, an urban bow hunter, shares his journey of harvesting 40 deer in a single season through dedication, strategy, and countless hours in the stand.
• Hot Springs Village urban hunt gives unlimited tags with no antler restrictions over a six-month season
• Urban hunting isn't easier than traditional hunting—just different with unique challenges
• Deer adapt to urban environments but still detect hunters and unnatural movement
• Matt donates most of his harvest through Arkansas Hunters Feeding the Hungry program
• Strategic access points using houses and roads prevents disturbing deer before the hunt
• Community relations are crucial for maintaining urban hunting programs
• Dealing with homeowner interactions requires diplomacy and professionalism
• Success comes from consistent time in the stand rather than pursuing specific number goals
• The urban hunt has successfully reduced deer-vehicle collisions while maintaining healthy population
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and you're off to Long Beach, scott
.
Today we have as our guest MattMartin.
Now he is an urban bow hunterand this guy has killed 40 deer
this season.
All right, he's gonna tell ushow he does it in Hot Springs
Village and kind of what histechniques are, what makes them
different and how he got to thatimpressive 40 deer.
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(00:20):
Now let's get in.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So, matt, thank you for being here today, man, how
was the trip over?
Oh, it was good.
A lot closer to Fordyce than Ithought from Lonsdale.
Ain't too bad at all?
No, not too bad at all.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, right off the rib.
The first thing I gotta say isI heard you killed 40 deer this
year.
Yes sir, yes sir, and that's animpressive number.
How'd you even manage to dosomething like that?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, in the Hot Springs Village urban hunt we
get unlimited tags with noantler restrictions or anything,
and basically they keep them atthe fire station, and so I've
been doing it for a little whileand I was able to this year,
just, you know, to really stackthem up, and I mean it's not
(01:04):
wasn't a typical year, for sure,but uh, it's not not completely
unheard of so is the urbanseason.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Is it the same span as, like, a regular deer season?
Um, no, sir, or is it like evenbigger it's?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
even bigger.
So um this year they theyshaved a week off of it, but it
started the same time as theearly buck season.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That Arkansas had this year.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh yeah, like a belly hunt, so I think it was like
September 8th, and usually weget about a three-week head
start on the regular bow season.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Wow.
And does it end the same timeor goes further?
It goes all the way through.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
February 28th, so it's a full six months, wow, so
you stack 40 deer up that fast.
Yes, sir, man, that's a lot ofwork.
Huh it was.
Do you donate all the meat ordo you just?
I donate a large portion of it.
I would say almost all of it.
We keep a couple for ourselves,but I've got family members
that hunt too.
So deer meat's never a problemand that's one of the great
(02:00):
things about the urban hunt iswith having that Arkansas
Hunters feeding the hungrytrailer there.
You know, if you had to process40 deer, yeah I don't know, I
don't know anybody that would doit.
But when you, when you can justfield, dress it and put it in
that trailer and feel good aboutyourself, that like I'm, I'm
helping and I also don't have todeal with that through
(02:20):
completion yeah, especiallytimes 40, yeah, so it is.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So like what is the?
I would think 40 would bepretty high, wouldn't you?
That's awfully high to me.
So, like what is like the highscore?
Like there has to be like aleaderboard, like how does?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
that work man.
I I know of another guy, uh boelmore, that killed 36 in the
village one year.
Um, that's the most I had everheard of.
I don't know what that numberis.
I've averaged about 20 a yearout there for the last seven
years.
So, like I said, this yearwasn't typical for me either.
I was able to spend a lot moretime in the stand and it was
(02:57):
just a good year for deermovement and coming to bait
piles.
I don't know if it was the masscrop, you know not producing,
or whatever, but it was like,yeah, it was like I was seeing
deer every time.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I was crazy so, like all the people hearing that,
they're gonna think, oh well,it's urban, it's got to be
easier.
These, these deer pets oh yeah,I hear that all the time.
I mean, what do you say tothose people?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I always say.
What I say to people is thaturban hunting is not harder or
easier than any other type ofhunting.
It's just different.
Because I do think there isthat perception that people are
oh, you're shooting deer out ofMiss Smith's flower garden.
But, like I mean, we justtouched on it, these deer are
hunted in a gated community forsix months out of the year by
(03:40):
300 people that are only allowedto go in certain parts of the—
yeah, and this hunt's been goingon, for I've been doing it
since 2011.
So you look at how long that isand and and how hunted these
deer are, and they are stilldeer.
You know people think, oh well,they're up around houses, they
probably won't bust you, theywon't smell you.
That's not true.
(04:00):
I mean, they're they stillnotice something's different.
Yes, and and it and it is.
And it because you know theysee like normal human movement
of people walking their dogs andthey ignore that.
But when you step into thewoods and camouflage, it's like
they know that they're stilldeer, they know what's up and
that, uh.
So I wouldn't say that to thepeople that think that it's easy
(04:22):
.
I I know of a lot of peoplethat have gotten in that hunt
thinking that they were justgoing to absolutely stack them
up and they go six months andkill two deer and they're like
this isn't worth my time.
So, uh, I have some advantagesbuilt in being close and and
having done it for a while thatI've I've learned how you're
rolling out.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, you've learned some tricks of the trade.
Yeah, yeah, it's like.
It's like you know even huntingnormal way, not like urban
areas.
It's like you know your maturebucks are typically going to bed
in the same area year afteryear.
Yep, you know the same areasare going to hold deer bedding
areas, you know it's just, it'sall kind of repeatable in a way
that's another thing if you wantto shoot 40, you can't be
(05:00):
looking for mature bucks,because you're not gonna find
them.
When you shoot the first thingthat steps out, you don't
imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's just a shootout walks out, you just shoot yeah,
have you ever hunted anythingurban?
I have not.
Wouldn't it feel weird?
Yeah, a little bit.
Do you ever see other huntersum?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I guess two years ago they they necked down the
amount of people in the hunt byonly allowing members of hot
springs Village and theirsponsored guests.
So the number of hunters wentdown a little, not a lot, but I
feel like most people that dothis are.
They pay to be in leases,they're still in deer camps and
(05:38):
I would say probably 75% of themare still more rifle hunters
than they are bow hunters Really.
So in September, when nothingelse is open, especially before
the regular archery season,you're going to see other
hunters.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Once that opens up and you know people are chasing
big bucks or they're down attheir camps and you know, I
would say there's, you know, avery select few that are still
out there.
There's not many people like methat are spending all six
months of the season inbasically one spot so people can
go out and urban hunttechnically before our season
(06:16):
opens.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes, sir, and then, whatever you kill, then don't go
against your six tags, right,correct?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
six tags, right, correct.
So I mean you, technically Iguess, could kill your six, your
six tag deer and then go andjust slaughter urban deer for
the rest of the season, if youjust wanted to keep shooting
deer yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So in that four, in that 40, in that 40 deer, uh, 36
of them were in the urban huntI used four of my state tags.
So, uh, my dad's got someprivate land in lonsdale and you
know some other places that I'mable to hunt.
You ever just need a break fromthe urban.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You're like I just wanna.
I just wanna get well out andaway and like maybe some bigger
woods, uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I, I, when I was coming on to this podcast, I was
thinking about that.
You know, I kind of askedmyself.
I was like, well, a lot ofpeople would say, if I took the
time, money and energy andenergy that I invest doing that,
could I go kill two popin'young bucks every year?
You know, going around thestate, could I hunt some areas
where I'd be a more diversehunter than hunting over a bait
(07:16):
pile all the time?
And yeah, I mean the answer isabsolutely.
You know, I invest all that timeinto urban hunting and there
are times where it's like, man,I, you know, I want to, I want
to go, I want to go chase somebig bucks, I want to go to
Kansas or whatever.
And I, you know, I've, I've,I've done that, I've, I've gone
to Kansas and I still shot asmall buck.
But, um, but that's what it,what it boils down to.
(07:41):
You know, uh, uh, my wife, latein the season, she was, she's
like I want you to take me, youknow, out to where my, where my
dad hunts.
And I was like it's hard for meto go out there where I, I have
a 25 chance of seeing a deer atthis certain stand that you
have to go to versus.
I know I'm gonna see a deer inthe village.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I'm gonna get to shoot and to me that's what
it what it boils down to yeah,it's just fun, you just wanna go
out there and shoot, that'sright, yeah, hmm.
So I imagine now you know whatyou're doing.
You know shooting 40 deer in aseason.
You're packing a bunch of like.
You know trial and error as faras making the shot, getting the
shot placement.
You know like you have to whena deer is there and you shoot,
(08:22):
especially archery, and Iimagine you got that dialed in.
You didn't even shot so manydeer.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, it's funny.
So they make you qualify everyyear.
Right, and obviously, with me,having done this for a decade,
this hunt's become thecornerstone of my deer hunting
and I was always, you know, thatcompound guy.
That was like you know, youshould never shoot a crossbow
unless you have to, and I thinkit was two years ago.
(08:51):
You get two chances to qualifyand I mean it's a 20 yard shot,
should be a chip shot, but yougot people lined up behind you,
you got 10 rows of guys shootingin it.
It's nerve wracking and uh, Igot.
I stepped up there with mycompound and I failed the first
round and it really it put theuh and I had qualified for, you
know, eight years in a row.
No problem, I failed that firstround and, like it, put this
(09:11):
cloud over me where I was.
Shook I was bad.
You're like what's wrong with meand I mean, my dad was trying
to talk to me because he hadqualified right beside me,
because I had told him I wasgoing to qualify with both that
year.
I was going to do, yeah, andhe's like, you want me to leave
this bow?
And I was going to qualify withboth that year.
I was going to do that and hewas like you want me to leave
this bow?
And I was like get out of here,just go away.
You know, because I was shookand so I qualified with my bow.
And the next year I was likeyou know what, I'm going to
(09:33):
qualify with the crossbow firstand that way I'm guaranteeing
that I'm going to get my permit.
You know the vitals Lungs andheart, yeah, and so I mean it
should be a chip shot at 20yards for most archers, and it
is, but it's pressured, but it'salso pressure.
It's pressure.
(09:53):
So then, when I qualified withthat crossbow, I was like you
know, I've shot opportunities Icould get if I carried the
crossbow and just swallowed mypride and said you know, this is
a population reduction hunt,this isn't a you know, but
(10:13):
you're single-handedly, I meandoing it.
Yeah, I've had some people thatsay you know why do you keep
shooting the small bucks andstuff?
You know even urban hunters andI'm like I mean they
specifically sit up there andask you don't pass deer.
And a lot of people still do.
They're using that hunt to tryand kill nothing.
But you know racked bucks andI'm like you guys should be
thanking me, you know they'rehaving this hunt.
(10:36):
They're having this hunt becausethey can justify it by the
amount of deer that are taken.
And in order to do that,there's got to be some people
that are putting up numbers.
Yeah, because out of the I mean, you've got over 300 people in
the hunt and most years there's200, 250 deer killed.
So that's less than a deer ahunter, which is yeah, so I mean
somebody's got.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I mean you're taking care of like 40, you know 39,
including yourself, yeah, andthen 40.
So who?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
pushes the urban hunt ?
Is it the homeowners or is itthe insurance companies?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I would say it's a little bit.
There's an application processwhere they come out and do
biological surveys with the gameand fish and they look at the
square footage of the area andthere's a holding capacity for
deer where they can be healthy,and usually those conversations
are spurred by people are thesedeer in my gardens Eating my
(11:26):
flowers, eating my flowers?
We're hitting them with ourcars coming down you know the
main roads and so they startlooking into it.
And then that's when they dothe.
They come out and do the deercount surveys and things and say
, ok, yeah, you guys, you guyshave a population problem.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So in the village there, Hot Springs Village, is
there a point that you think youguys will not get that hunt
because the population has comeback down to where it's healthy,
or do you think it's just likea overran?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I think it'll continue, just because there
will be lower harvest numbers.
I think they'll keep continuingto have the hunt to keep that
that number in check.
But me and my dad were talkingabout it earlier, where we I
have actually seen the urbanhunt work, because in 2015, when
the first year where they didit like six months out of the
(12:17):
year, every evening that youhunted you had to go 20 miles an
hour going out the gates or youwere going to run over a deer.
I mean DeSoto was littered withdeer.
That's the main road that runsfrom the East gate to the West
gate and you know you'd comeover a hill and the whole, the
whole road would be covered.
And now you don't really seethat.
I mean there's still peoplehitting deer, just like any
(12:39):
other country place, but it'snot.
I mean I see less numbers, youknow, in headlights driving out
than we used to.
So I think what we're doing isworking, so it is taking the
numbers down and it's obvious tome that it's not detrimental
because you're still I'm stillseeing deer.
So there's still populationthere where it's not like we're
(13:00):
wiping them out, right, butthey're maintaining a healthier
number.
How many deer, deer you?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
think you would have killed if.
If you took how you hunted thisseason, with your experience
you know you killed 40 thisseason.
But you had all that take placeeight years ago when the
population was higher.
Maybe would you have killed waymore, like would there have
been more deer to kill um, well,it's.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's funny that you asked that, because I think the
first year that they did it fulltime it was like 2015,.
You know, and that was socialmedia was around and stuff, but
it wasn't these hunting groupsweren't as prevalent and things.
And so me and another buddy ofmine I think we were, you know,
competing with each other and Ithink I killed 18 deer that year
.
There were 14 of them in thevillage and I thought, man, I am
(13:46):
laying them down, this is crazy.
And they had a.
They had a end of year deal andthis guy named Kevin Brown,
they presented him with a plaquefor like the being the most
killed and he had killed 27.
Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, that's double what I killed
out here.
And there were pictures withhim and his now wife and his
best friend where one morningthey had like seven does and an
(14:08):
eight point lined up and I waslike, man, I got to figure out
how they're doing.
So there were definitely someguys through I mentioned Bo
Elmore earlier.
There were some guys that werekind of motivation into like,
how are they putting up thesenumbers?
You know, what are they doing?
Different than me, you know, Imean everybody's out here
(14:28):
sitting over a corn pile.
Why are they?
Why are they killing more?
It's not, you know, it's notlack of effort, it's like what
are they doing?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So you're like striving to like put up higher
numbers.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
How can I get to 50 next year?
How can I get to 60?
Oh, I make it to 60.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh, I don't know you know what I mean, you know
everybody.
Every year people ask me youknow I've kind of gotten that
reputation at church and it.
You know at work that people,people know that I should, and
uh, it's become a thing wherethey're like well, what, what's
your goal for this year?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
yeah, where are you gonna?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
land.
I've always said double digitsand they're like there's no way
that that's still your goal andI'm like if you kill 10 deer a
year, that's awesome, that's alot you know, and I was, like my
problem is going to be what yousaid earlier about if they take
this hunt away and I got to goback to killing five or six,
that's what's gonna hurt.
You got a couple state license,so yeah, so that that may.
That may force me to travel alittle bit yeah, have you.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I see you're wearing a sequin uh hoodie on.
You know, have you ever thought, maybe going in, you know, door
knocking and stuff, trying tofind like other urban areas that
you might can hunt maybe forlike bigger deer?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
you ever gave that a try?
Not not so much bigger deer Ihave.
I have, uh, used social mediaand these and these mapping
services and things that thatkind of give you names and
addresses, and I've, I'veacquired permissions over the
year on lot, especially in areaswhere, like, there may not be
that common property that we'reallowed to hunt, but I know
(15:53):
there's deer over here I startlooking at.
You know well who who ownsthese lots over here.
And if you start looking,especially in a golf and golf
community, retirement community,you start looking and seeing,
well, these people live in NewJersey and these people and it's
like they probably have theydon't care as long as I can get
in contact with them and youknow they're going to be like,
(16:14):
oh sure, you know they they haveit for you know their vacations
and they so they can come playgolf.
It's basically a golfmembership, so that's one.
Another thing with that isthere's a lot of private lots
and there's a lot of opportunityto get permissions.
I don't ever really target bigbucks in the village.
(16:35):
I mean, everybody wants to killbig bucks.
You know you get them on camera.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But surely every once in a while a good one will get
killed.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, there were some nice ones killed this
year.
I killed about 130 inch 10point back in 2020.
That's pretty good one and butmost of them, you know the what
happens, what I've seen happen.
I used to get real excited with, like the the trail camera
pictures leading up to theseason.
I mean you, we'd be gettingthese and I'm like I mean
(17:03):
they're, they're every day andyeah, when it starts so early,
like you were saying, they'restill on their summer patterns
and you think, oh, I can killthis deer, it's achievable here,
I can kill this deer, butyou've got to think about that
September 1st or September 8th,that first morning, 300 people
go in the woods in a confinedarea.
And if you don't kill them, sitone, everything changes, yeah.
(17:27):
And so I've gotten to the pointwhere, like this year you know,
this year, like I said, itstarted on the same day as the
hunt that was the early Arkansasvelvet season and I started out
.
I was on private land trying tokill a velvet buck, and I think
it was Saturday morning.
Saturday evening, sundaymorning, I was on on private
land trying to kill a velvetbuck, and I think it was
Saturday morning.
Saturday evening, sundaymorning I was on private land.
(17:49):
Sunday evening I was like youknow what, I'm going to the
village where I can shootwhatever.
I want and so I went and killeda spike that evening, you know.
So I mean, I I don't really,especially with urban I've never
, never targeted a specific bigdeer.
Uh, I've, I've actually kind of, you know, I envy those guys
like lee, like clifton, denny,kelsey, moss guys that, yeah, I
feel like you drop them off in awalmart parking lot.
(18:11):
They're, they're gonna kill apope and young, yeah and uh, I
don't have that skill set.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So, um, I I've never really targeted that, it's never
been my goal so, going back towhat you said about, like day
one, 300 people flood the woodsthere and shut everything down.
How do you choose where youhunt, like, do you pick where
you hunt in there, or is it likesplit up into spots and then
you have to draw, or anythinglike that?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So you've got a map of common properties and then
you know, like I said, if you'vegotten permissions on these
private lots that other peopledon't have, you can set up there
.
And then I partnered with.
You know, if you can get acouple of guys like you know, my
dad and my uncle were in itthis year that we're allowed two
spots per hunter.
(18:56):
Well, if you got buddies orfamily members or whatever, you
get in it together.
Well, now you've got multiplespots where you know they're.
Hey, are you going to be atdeer camp?
I'm gonna go hunt your stand,you know, because the wind is
right for there.
And that way you're not blowingout one spot and having to move
Right, right, right right, howmany acres is a spot?
(19:19):
They vary.
It's it's really what it is isthe.
It's the common propertybelongs to the Hot Springs
Village Property OwnersAssociation and it's the land
that's either unbuildablelowland creeks public utilities,
power lines, things like that,water lines.
(19:40):
If there's a neighborhood, theprivate lot where the house is
is like a third of an acre, andthen behind that there's common
property and then the backyardof the other house, so it's in
between.
So you're hunting close tohouses, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Do you ever have any cairns?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
that won't let you cross and go get your deer I
have run into.
I will say that they will saythat, you know they kind of
scare you in the orientationsearly on, where it's like you're
going to have property ownersand people that are, you know,
don't want you here and thatdon't.
You know.
You need to be discreet, youneed to be, you know,
professional, and that's alltrue, that's all true, that's
(20:22):
absolutely true.
But I have found that way morepeople out there, if, if you're,
uh, polite with them and they,you know, you pay attention to
where you park and where youaccess the woods and how you're
present, presenting yourself,you know.
And if they, they get to knowyou and they understand, oh
you're, you're the hunter that'shere every year, you know.
And then they, you know, theone guy, one guy, was like hey,
(20:44):
you're sitting up here, but Isee the deer every day they're
cutting down through this straw.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
You need to move over a ridge, you know yeah, yeah,
yeah, but every neighborhood hasat least one care oh absolutely
I, but I would say I to givehot springs village people
credit.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I've run into way more people that were very
polite and you know and knowthat we're there serving
purposes, as long as once theyfigure out your vehicle or
whatever they're like, okay,he's not that's what he's doing
yeah, and that we've got thepermits and the plaques on our
dash and stuff and and they,they see, you know, and I'm
friendly with them and say hello, and which I mean for them
(21:19):
living there.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I mean you can't argue with results.
Yeah, I would think if yourdeer numbers are getting better,
you're not hitting more deer inyour cars and stuff.
You can't be with results.
I would think if your deernumbers are getting better,
you're not hitting more deer inyour cars and stuff.
You can't be mad about it.
I mean, obviously it's working.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and, like you said, there there are some
people that it doesn't matterwhat you tell them, they don't
want you there and they're.
They're against you killingthose deer and and a lot of the
people that are like we movedout here cause we like the deer,
and I'm like, hey, I the deertoo, that's why I'm here, you
know.
But I think that the more thatyou just you know you interact
with them in a positive way,because that can go sideways a
(21:51):
lot or like, real quick, I'vehad, I've had people you know
tell me, well, we've got everyright to be out here, we've got.
And I'm like, yeah, you do, butthey live here.
And so the more positiveinteraction you can have, the
more chance that that hunt'sgoing to be able to continue to
happen.
Because I guarantee you, youget 200 people mobilized and go
to these city council meetingsand POA meetings and things like
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that and they say we don't wantthis anymore, it'll stop
happening.
So, I want to make sure that I'mone of the people that you know
.
I'm here doing what I said Iwas going to do.
I'm doing it within the rulesyou know and I'm trying to help
and have you know a good season.
Have fun for myself, rightright, have a.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Have you ever had like a moment, though, where it
got kind of Western, a littlebit sideways?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh, absolutely the very the very first year.
Uh, back in, back in 2015,.
It it actually, looking back onit, I should have called the
police, but I was trying.
This was the second day of thehunt and it was the first year
that they did it full time, andat the orientation they had said
if we have confrontations withhomeowners, this hunt probably
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won't happen next year.
So in my head I'm thinking doeverything you can.
Well, I shot at a deer andmissed, and the deer came back
in and I shot and made a badshot.
I mean, just to be honest, Ihit it in the ham, watched it
walk off and, kind of you know,went and marked blood.
I came back at like midnightwhich, looking back on it, was a
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bad idea.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, I can see that.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Because now you went from hunting in the urban hunt
to now I'm blood trailing atmidnight.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yes, and I mean one of those things where you've got
flashlights and you're out inthe woods and this guy actually
didn't live in the village, hewas on the, you know, there's
like the private edge, rightright, and I found where the
deer had crossed and I was in mydad's suburban, and so I was
like, well, I'm going to go backto the truck, I'm going to move
the truck down here closer towhere I saw the deer cross, and
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then I'm going to pick up theblood trail.
Well, as I got out of the truck, that guy fired two shots over
my head and I was like, swingingthe flashlight, yelling hey,
you know, like I'm, I'm heredoing the urban hunt.
He yelled that's not whatyou're doing, get out of here.
And so then I'm like I mean, Idon't want to leave this deer to
rot, because we're talkingSeptember 1st or September 2nd,
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so it's 85 degrees, it's warm.
You got a small window to gofind that deer.
Another reason I'm out there atmidnight.
I knew I couldn't let this deerlie, and so I was, like you
know, questioning all my lifedecisions.
Yeah, and you're only on day twoof the first year I tell all my
buddies and they're like youhad a guy fire a gun in your
direction.
You didn't call the police.
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I was like no, I didn't want toget shut down, guys.
I was like I just switched to aheadlamp and went and found my
deer and got out of there, youknow.
So there's been some times likethat.
There's been, you know, peoplethat intentionally try to not
recently because I think they'vegotten more used to it, but
there's been people that youknow will go out there with
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their leaf blower and try to,you know, interrupt your hunt.
But, it's just one of thosethings.
Like you know, you deal withthat urban hunting and you also
get to the point where you'relike if you pay attention to
deer behavior, when I saidearlier that there's still deer,
yes, but deer adapt to theirsurroundings and, like leaf
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blowers, don't bother them.
You know, they hear that everyday.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So they don't care yeah it's a normal occurrence,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So I'm guessing, being urban, you have to drag
your deer everywhere.
I'm sure you can't usefour-wheeler side-by-side none
of that, that is correct.
Yes, sir, oh man.
I'd be hunting close to housestoo.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I mean so when you're looking at getting set up in a
spot that you know there's deermoving through, are you trying
to get away from the house?
Are you hunting close to thehouse from the house?
Are you hunting close to thehouse like where would you,
depending on the spot, kind ofwalk us through that, like how
you make the decision how faraway from the house you get?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
well, you know, early on, when I was urban hunting, I
was more especially aftergetting shot at getting a guy
shooting at me and some otherpeople yelling at me.
I was like, well, my, my goal isto find these biggest blocks of
woods the as far away frompeople as I can.
But one thing I've learnedurban hunting is like those
blocks of woods that I wastalking about.
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If you think about it, ifthere's houses all around in one
block of woods and you've got abait pile in there, you're
trying to hunt it in the morning.
Where are the deer?
They're in that same block ofwoods, and so your ability to
access that and get in therewithout blowing every deer out
of there before you climb up hasbecome.
That's probably when you wereasking about eight years ago.
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That's probably what I'velearned the most is there is a,
there are safety parameters ofhow close we can be to houses,
roads, golf courses and thingslike that.
But I've I've turned mine, myfocus has flipped, or my, my
strategy has flipped to where Iuse those houses and those roads
and things as my access.
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You know where I'm 65 yardsfrom the road, but I came
straight off the road and wasable to get in my stand without
going through the deer andknowing that, okay, the deer,
don't come from this direction,because they're not coming from
that house.
Their feet, you know.
I can get the wind blowing in myface and I can get in that
stand.
I can hunt that hunt over abait pile in the morning, where
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a lot of people won't hunt baitin the morning because they're
blowing deer out, yeah, and sothat's just things that you
learn and you're.
You're actually using thaturban to your advantage.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, no, like you said earlier, I mean a way to do
it better.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And be, you know, less discreetwhen you're coming in, you know
more.
Just not blowing it out,because I imagine if you blow a
chunk of woods out in urban landthey'll come back, but I
imagine you probably just ruinthat hunt yes you know, because
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there can't be that many deeryeah, and that's where I think
that people, people have thismisconception about urban
hunting.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Is that, like you know, like infinite amount of?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
deer, you can, you can pressure them all that you
want and you can.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You know it's.
It's just like anything else.
You can have a have bucksshowing up left and right and
you, you know you shoot one ofthem and even if you're clean in
and out, you're just gettingdown blood, trailing it,
dragging it out, and you'llnotice, all right, that buck
didn't show up for a week afterthat so you have to take that
into account.
If you're somebody that's outthere trying to shoot bucks, you
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have to, not, you know, youwould think, oh well, this doe
comes at three and the bucksaren't coming till last light,
I'll shoot this doe.
The buck's not going to show up.
No, something's different.
Yeah, something's different.
You know so, but yeah, it'sit's it's.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have you ever?
Have you ever ran any problemwith the law?
Like I know?
The first thing people would doif they didn't want you there,
they would try to find a way toget you removed using law.
Has anybody ever tried?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
that Well luckily out in.
Actually, while I'm urbanhunting it seems to be more of.
You'll be in the stand orsomething and you'll see the
local police come up and park byyour vehicle and go and look
for your dash placard and youcan deduce that what happened is
one of these people called,said there was a suspicious
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vehicle or whatever.
The cops out there are wellaware of what's going on.
So they know, but they know whatyou're supposed to have.
And they come out and they lookand see okay, he's got his
placard, he's good to go.
What?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
if you don't, do you get like a fine or do you just
get?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I don't, I'm not really sure.
They just kind of harp on it inthe urban hunt or in the
orientation.
They say that you know, if youdon't have your dash placard
there and they think you're inthe woods, the assumption is
going to be that you're notsupposed to be there, so they're
going to come get you out ofyour tree or bring the game,
basically ruin your hunt.
(29:38):
I got you.
So it's more of a like you know, cover, cover all your bases
and and help us out and give usa leg to stand on with these
homeowners that look, look, he'spermitted to be.
Yeah, I mean, he's goteverything he's supposed to have
.
Yeah, um, outside of that, likethis year, um, outside of that
like this year, uh, I got somenew across the street neighbors
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at my house and uh, so the thatearly buck hunt was going on and
at during that hunt you couldonly kill bucks in it, right,
but the urban hunt started thatsame weekend yeah and uh, I
guess this was actually monday.
It was the third day of the hunt, the last, because I think the
the earlier our uh, velvet huntwas like saturday, sunday,
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monday, right, it was monday.
I pull up, I've got a doe thatI've killed in hot springs
village.
It's tagged, got the ear tag init, everything.
I dropped my tailgate right asmy new neighbor's pulling in his
driveway don't think anythingof it.
I've drug 150 deer across thisbackyard.
Never been a problem.
So I drag the deer out to myshop, hang it up and next thing
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I know I'm getting a knock,knock, knock, game warden.
You're like uh-oh, and I waslike I immediately knew what
happened because I saw myneighbor pulling in and I was
like they saw this doe andthey're aware that it's a
they're probably thinking that Ishot this doe during a buck
hunt, uh.
And so I mean, the game wardenwas real cool.
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I was like I guess you need tosee my permit and the tag and he
, you know, called it in.
He was like, hey, you know, Ipointed over to my wall and my
shop's covered up with all thelittle buck yeah, the ones that
aren't big enough to go in thehouse.
I said man, I've been doing thisfor a long time.
And he was like, yeah, he waslike that, I mean people just
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don't know.
And I was like hey, and heapologized and I was like man,
you're doing your job, you knowthat?
Yeah, I'm glad that.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, I'm glad that Now I know my neighbor's a
snitch.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying.
That's right Speaking of caring.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So I was actually surprised that it took that long
for a game warden to get called, because, yeah, you would think
that that would be like ayearly occurrence.
Well, I've always wondered that, Like I said, I live in a
neighborhood and I'm like, ifpeople pay any attention to the
amount you know, if they knowthat your limit is six deer
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statewide.
they've got to be like man, thatdude, this dude's doing
something, that dude's dragginga deer across his yard way too
often.
So I mean, I was surprised ittook this long, but I was also
very, very thankful that, youknow, he was very cool about it
and was like hey, you know, I'mjust doing my due diligence and
you've got everything, all yourducks, in a row, so you're good
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to go.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Have you ever so like what's the most deer you've
killed in one day?
Like, do you ever just sit downthere and just it seems like
deer keep coming out, coming out, coming?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
out.
Uh, going going back to, I wastalking about Kevin and those
guys that have in seven or eightdeer.
Uh, there's another guy outthere, cody Barnes, where he
shot four or five in one sit.
And another guy that, uh, he'sactually on the fire department
out there and he said, man, ifit snows, I got a place I can go
kill five or six.
Oh, wow, and he had done itbefore and I was always like I,
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you know, like I said I wasaveraging 20 a year but had
never, never, killed three inone sit.
You know it was just one or two.
And I was always like, man,where, where are these spots
where you can just where theyjust keep coming?
And so this year I was, uh, Itook the day off and, uh, that
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morning hunt I shot three andthat was the first time I had
killed three in one hunt.
I went home and since I hadtaken the day off you know work
doesn't stop I got on mycomputer, did a little bit of
work and then I was like I'vegot one spot where there's been
some midday deer.
I was like I'm off, you know, Idon't have to pick my kids up
or nothing, so I'm going to slipback out there.
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So I took a shower, went backout there and I shot another one
.
So that was four.
I texted my buddies.
I've got a little group chatwith my bowhunting buddies.
They're like dude, go home,what are you doing?
And I was like this is awesome.
And I was like but the fourthone took me a little bit to find
.
And then my daughter actuallyhad a cheer camp that night and
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so I was like I got to get thisthing donated and I got to go.
And by the time I got to pick upmy daughter there were more
deer in that bait pile where Ihad shot the fourth one and I
was like man, I could havekilled five if I would have been
able to stay.
But yeah, so four is the mostin a day.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Three is the most in one set.
Wow, dude, that it's gotta befun.
You know what I mean, like bowhunting, just skin, all of them
yeah, uh, it's still it's.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It was one of those days that when I killed three
that morning, I looked at myselfand was like this is why you
don't kill three in one morning.
It was still a ton of work, Ibet, because you gotta drag them
, find them, drag them, yep.
And some of these places, youknow, yeah, they may be close to
a house but it's straightuphill.
You know, hot springs villageis in the oh it's definitely
terrain.
Yeah, it's it's hilly, and so II was like yeah, that I'm I'm
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gonna stick to shooting too.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, I'm around to.
We're out to shoot eight.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I can imagine so is this something you see yourself
doing, you know, for the rest ofyour life?
Do you see yourself maybegetting into a different, you
know, style of hunting?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't know.
I think that as long as theycontinue to have an urban hunt
that close to my house, when youstart looking at the cost of
some of these leases I mean thepermit costs and stuff is dirt
cheap compared to a lease andit's almost a no-brainer to keep
doing it I do think, like thisyear, me and some buddies are
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going to put in for Kansas againand maybe I'll have a little
more restraint and wait for abigger one.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
but you'll be tired of it in like three days.
You're like, you know I'm readyto go home and just shoot a
bunch of deer.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I do want to diversify, you know, and I think
that's where I got to this yearwith, like, the crossbow.
I got to where it's like it'snot hard to kill one with a
compound anymore, it's not hardto kill deer.
So it'll get to a point where Ithink that I'm like alright a
little bit of challenge that'skind of what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I know a guy kills a bunch of turkeys, travels around
and kills turkeys.
He went from shooting them withshotguns to shooting them with
crossbows.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
He just wanted a little bit more challenge
speaking of that, does Urbanhave a turkey hunt?
They do not.
That's unfortunate, but Iwonder if they got turkeys there
, I will I bet they do.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I will tell you this there is one what the spot where
I killed three deer in one sit.
There's a spot out there whereI cannot feed corn because if I
put out corn, 30 turkeys willeat it before I'm back really
able to hunt it.
Wow, that's the only spot likethat, but I mean there's a lot
of turkeys will eat it beforeI'm back really able to hunt it.
Wow, that's the only spot likethat, but I mean there's a lot
of turkeys in the there's.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
There's some spots where there are a bunch of
turkeys, but I imagine y'allprobably won't get a turkey hunt
until people start hitting themwith cars.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, no, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
That's what it's gonna take you know, until
turkeys start eating flowers,yeah you know.
Or or getting hit by cars?
You probably won't.
You see none of that.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I will say Fairfield Bay.
A couple years ago they put inwhere you could kill a bear
during the urban hunt.
Now it did cost you, like yourstate.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Do they got a problem with bear coming in the urban
areas and tearing trash up orsomething?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
No, I think it was more.
Well.
I say no, I don't know enoughto speak on that, but what I
think it was was you know thatthat urban hunt was starting
earlier and people were seeingthese you know bear and then
they weren't filling that quotaor whatever, and so they're like
well, if we got a chance to, ifyou're passing a bear, that's
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20 yards on a bait pile.
If you, I mean you still haveto use your state bear tag.
I think you know you can onlykill one.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh really, but uh yeah it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So it wasn't a true or, but it was like a bonus to
urban hunting.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
There was you were able to shoot a bear if one came
in so if you've never doneurban hunting, how do you get
started like, how do you getpermission, how do you get it
going?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
so tags so most of the hunts still go through the
arkansas bow hunters associationand they have a website that
and inside their website there'slike a sub website that's all
about the urban hunts explainswhat they are any, uh, I guess
two years ago, maybe three yearsago, hot springs village poa
took over running theirs uh, sothey still partner with the game
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and fish, but they are not withthe bowhunters association.
There's another one up likelakeview heber springs that they
they do their own uh and it onthat.
But it explains all that on theuh on their website.
And basically, the first thingthat you have to do is become a
bow hunter certified, which isdifferent than your hunter's ed,
because my uncle did it thisyear and he was like well, I'm
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already hunters and I'm likethis is different.
Uh, it's like international bowhunter education program and
then if you're going to carry acrossbow, there is a separate
one.
That's like crossbow education,and so there's a little bit of
red tape you go through.
You can take these coursesonline.
They're like 30 bucks orsomething when you pass the test
.
Uh, once you get certified, yousign up for like a, an
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orientation through, orientationthrough.
They're listed on the websitewhen they're going to be for
which hunt.
With the aba, any orientationcovers every hunt so if you go
to one orientation and you doyour proficiency shoot.
You pay for your tag or you payfor your permit or whatever.
They give you the tax.
You could go to say cherokeevillage and I got you and say,
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hey, I went to this orientation,here's my stuff, here's my
placards, so it kind of coversall of them.
It covers all of them, um, butuh, hot springs village one is a
separate fee.
It's it's more expensive andit's done through the POA.
So they have I think I don'tknow the website off the top of
my head, but they have a hotsprings village POA huntcom or
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something that.
That's their website that laysout all their rules and
regulations.
Once that happens, when you'reat the orientation, like I said,
you have to do your proficiencyshooting and then the first
year they make you go throughlike a field day where they
teach you like tree stand safety.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
They want people to be harnessed up.
They teach you blood trailingand some other things Because,
like you said, you know you wantto make a good shot, you want
to not be, you know, trekkingacross.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And inevitably there's so much private land out
there that there's going to betimes where you're having you
shoot a deer on common propertyand it ends up on private
property.
You want to limit that as muchas you can, so they're teaching
you how to, how to blood trailand and and, to avoid the you
know, going up and and knockingon somebody's door.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, Avoiding conflict?
Absolutely yeah, cause they'retrying to just be discreet, like
you.
Just they want you to just goin there and not disturb
anything, probably not even letpeople know that you're there.
That's right, I would imagine.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Just get the job done .
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Do your thing, yeah and get out Yep and they
probably don't want the cityslickers coming in.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, because they got So-and-so, shot a deer in
the leg in the rain in Susan'syard, yep, you know, got blood
everywhere on her flowers anddied there.
That's kind of a big deal.
He had watched blood come out.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So I got to tell you my craziest urban hunt story,
all right outside of gettingshot at.
So this one morning I had thisdeer come in and if you asked me
today, I thought I smoked thisdeer, thought I double lunged it
, you know, two-inch expandablebroadhead behind the shoulder,
easy peasy.
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My niece had a birthday partythat I had to be at.
It was one of those where yousqueeze in a morning hunt
knowing you're— you don't got alot of time, you don't got a lot
of time.
So I get down, go over thereand I'm not finding the sign
that I'm thinking, and so Iblood trail it a little bit and
I mark my last spot and I've gotto go right.
So I mark the spot, I leave, goto the birthday party.
(41:45):
I'm coming back from thebirthday party, I get in a car
wreck coming back to the village.
So I'm dealing with that.
This young girl ran into me.
I was going straight at astoplight, she was turning, she
wasn't looking.
So I'm dealing with that, stilltrying to get back out there to
find my deer, call my parents.
I'm like, hey, I was, I'm fine,I was just in a wreck, and uh.
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So I finally get back out there.
I'm kind of shook up from that.
My car's tore up.
It's still drivable.
But you know, I get out thereand I park and I had hung like a
, I found a Folgers coffee canand I that's where I what I
marked my last blood and it wasgone and I was like that's weird
.
And so I I hear this dog justbarking just incessantly and it
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just won't stop and it'sactually kind of the direction
that and I'm like, well, I'mgoing to go check that out.
He's probably on my deer.
So I walked down there andthere's this lady with like a
German shepherd and she's hadbeen walking her dog up there by
where the Folgers can was andthat deer was.
I was right there by it but itwasn't dead and so the dog
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jumped the deer up and likepulls this lady through the
woods down and it jumps across abarbed wire fence onto private
property and it's out there,just you know, like wobbling
around, and I go down there andshe's like is this your deer?
And I was like I mean, I don'tknow nothing about that, Well
it's actually funny because Iwas being honest and she thought
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I was lying.
I said no, ma'am, I shot aspike and I don't.
I don't think that's it, butit's like I am blood trailing a
deer.
So I was like I couldn't.
I wasn't, I'm not sure the dog.
The dog had the deer bait up,but we were still on the village
side because it's on privateproperty, yeah, and we're
looking at it and she's like,well, what are we going to do?
And I'm like I don't know.
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And we end up, you know, Iguess that was the and this was
hours later, hours later,because I had gone to the
birthday party.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I can't believe this deer is still alive.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And it ended up falling over Diane while we were
there and she was like nowwe've got to get my dog back.
You know, like cause I, so weget the dog over there.
You know, call, get it calledback over.
And she was like she was alittle old lady, she's like
you're going to have to holdthis dog, you know, while I get
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it harnessed up and everythingshe like ripped out of the
harness.
So I'm helping her and uh, soshe says, okay, uh, thank you
know we introduced.
She said this, this is her dogand you know, and he likes it.
She's like, call, call me ifyou ever need any help finding
deer.
Oh my gosh.
And so I'm like I say all right, well, thank you for your help.
(44:33):
I'm sorry for the inconvenienceand I like I never meant for
this to happen.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
This is kind of crazy .
Speaker 2 (44:38):
This is, this is urban hunting ma'am this is uh,
and so that was that was prettycrazy.
But she starts walking away andthe dog will not leave the deer
.
Yeah, so she said, you're gonnahave to walk with me.
You know, to a certain point,where we get away from.
And so she's.
She's like grab hold of thisdog.
This is like a German Shepherd.
I grab it.
The dog bites me on the arm.
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What Like bites me right here.
And so I end up calling my wifeand I'm like so I shot a deer,
I tracked a deer, I marked blood.
The blood trail was, you know,somebody moved my car.
That's a worst case scenario Iwrecked my car and this dog just
bit me.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's a horrible case scenario, a chain of events
.
Yes, it was.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And so that was probably the craziest day All
for a spike too.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
you know, all for a spike, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
My hat didn't come in for today, but I just ordered a
hat.
That sums me up pretty good.
It says bad day to be a Spike.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Oh yeah, Spike Slater , I don't think we ever all grow
out of it.
You know, I see them come inand they're not paying no
attention.
I'm like I wish I could shootyou Back in the day when I was a
kid.
I'd just mow them down.
Yeah, because I mean they getcrazy, you know.
Oh yeah, you know, 11 inchspikes like that dude needs to
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die, that's right.
He's a four year old spike.
Let's get him out of here.
Yeah, I mean you can't shoothim, that's right.
I mean, I guess I guess youcould apply for that's some kind
of coal, you know, but whatever.
But, dude, we got crazy spikesrunning around or come to the
urban hunt and then you canshoot them.
Shoot them all.
I know it.
I'm telling you.
Well, matt dude, thanks forbeing here.
Yes, sir, it's kind of crazythat you've been doing it now
for uh, right at close to 10years, and like 40 deer in a
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season.
Like you're getting better.
Yes, sir, you got high hopesfor next season, uh yes, sir,
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
You go for 50?
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
I don't think so worry out.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah well, this year I was able to uh some things
that you know.
Like I said, this year wasn'ttypical for me, but we, you know
, I think a lot of it came downto some compromise on.
You know, uh, it all comes downto to time and time in the seat
.
You know, uh, how much time canyou spend in the woods?
And and that guy, shay reedfrom the arkansas mobile hunters
, he's talking about, you know,comparing yourself to other
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hunters and seeing what they doand you're like, well, how are
they doing that?
And is it for me?
It all came down to being there.
I mean, like you say, it was asix month.
I hate when people use this word, but it was a grind.
You know where it's like.
Every single time that I had anopportunity to get in the woods
, I was there and there weremornings where I didn't want to
go, yeah, and I was like, but Iknow that you know I I've made
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myself go and I was like, but Iknow that you know I've made
myself go, you know, or it waslike because I had that
motivation to.
You know, like I said, theyincentivized donating the most
deer and I wanted to see, Iguess this year, when it started
all so good, it was like and Iactually I think some of my
buddies from that bow huntinggroup they late in the season I
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hit like 36.
And they were like, well,you've got to go for 40.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I was like I'm going to run out of time, guys and
arrows.
They were like no, you've gotto go for 40.
And I was like man, there's noway.
And then the next hunt out.
I killed two and I was likeit's doable, guys, it's doable.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
We're back in it.
We're back in it.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
We got new life.
So I think just little thingslike that, your buddies pushing
you on or wanting to hit.
I did want to hit 30, becausemy record previous to this year
was 26.
So I wanted to hit 30, and thenwhen I hit 30, it became 40.
You might as well go for 40.
You, I?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
wanted to hit 30, and then, when I hit 30, it became
40.
You might as well go for 40.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
You need to be chasing after a broadhead
sponsor.
Oh, I know it, I know it,that's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Hey, you got some real R&D going on, yeah.
So people ask me well, whatbroadhead do you shoot?
And I say whichever one's onclearance at Walmart at the end
of the season, because I'm goingthrough them.
Because yeah, if you shoot megameets at 40 deer, you will need
to take out a second mortgage onyour home.
Oh, I can only imagine, man.
But yeah, I don't think as faras next season, you know, going
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for 40, I would never enter theyear with that kind of goal.
Yeah, it's just kind of be likethis year, where you go in and
what happens, happens, whathappens happens.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
And if it starts out great, then ride the wave.
I hear you, man.
Well, I I promise you one thingI'm definitely not killing 40
deer next year.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
I hadn't killed a deer the past two years.
Well, that's because my kids,wife and kids kill the deer.
They do.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, well, man, I think that wraps this up.
Thanks for coming today and uh,man, I wish you the best of
luck next season.
Well, thanks for having me.
And uh, I mean, you gotanything else?
Shockley, you got to add thatother than 40 deer.
That's crazy, that's prettywild, dude.
Successful season, man.
Yes, sir.
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Today we have as our guest MattMartin.
Now he is an urban bow hunterand this guy has killed 40 deer
this season.
All right, he's gonna tell ushow he does it in Hot Springs
Village and kind of what histechniques are, what makes them
different and how he got to thatimpressive 40 deer.
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Now let's get in.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So, matt, thank you for being here today, man, how
was the trip over?
Oh, it was good.
A lot closer to Fordyce than Ithought from Lonsdale.
Ain't too bad at all?
No, not too bad at all.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, right off the rib.
The first thing I gotta say isI heard you killed 40 deer this
year.
Yes sir, yes sir, and that's animpressive number.
How'd you even manage to dosomething like that?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, in the Hot Springs Village urban hunt we
get unlimited tags with noantler restrictions or anything,
and basically they keep them atthe fire station, and so I've
been doing it for a little whileand I was able to this year,
just, you know, to really stackthem up, and I mean it's not
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wasn't a typical year, for sure,but uh, it's not not completely
unheard of so is the urbanseason.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Is it the same span as, like, a regular deer season?
Um, no, sir, or is it like evenbigger it's?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
even bigger.
So um this year they theyshaved a week off of it, but it
started the same time as theearly buck season.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That Arkansas had this year.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh yeah, like a belly hunt, so I think it was like
September 8th, and usually weget about a three-week head
start on the regular bow season.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Wow.
And does it end the same timeor goes further?
It goes all the way through.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
February 28th, so it's a full six months, wow, so
you stack 40 deer up that fast.
Yes, sir, man, that's a lot ofwork.
Huh it was.
Do you donate all the meat ordo you just?
I donate a large portion of it.
I would say almost all of it.
We keep a couple for ourselves,but I've got family members
that hunt too.
So deer meat's never a problemand that's one of the great
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things about the urban hunt iswith having that Arkansas
Hunters feeding the hungrytrailer there.
You know, if you had to process40 deer, yeah I don't know, I
don't know anybody that would doit.
But when you, when you can justfield, dress it and put it in
that trailer and feel good aboutyourself, that like I'm, I'm
helping and I also don't have todeal with that through
(02:20):
completion yeah, especiallytimes 40, yeah, so it is.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So like what is the?
I would think 40 would bepretty high, wouldn't you?
That's awfully high to me.
So, like what is like the highscore?
Like there has to be like aleaderboard, like how does?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
that work man.
I I know of another guy, uh boelmore, that killed 36 in the
village one year.
Um, that's the most I had everheard of.
I don't know what that numberis.
I've averaged about 20 a yearout there for the last seven
years.
So, like I said, this yearwasn't typical for me either.
I was able to spend a lot moretime in the stand and it was
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just a good year for deermovement and coming to bait
piles.
I don't know if it was the masscrop, you know not producing,
or whatever, but it was like,yeah, it was like I was seeing
deer every time.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I was crazy so, like all the people hearing that,
they're gonna think, oh well,it's urban, it's got to be
easier.
These, these deer pets oh yeah,I hear that all the time.
I mean, what do you say tothose people?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I always say.
What I say to people is thaturban hunting is not harder or
easier than any other type ofhunting.
It's just different.
Because I do think there isthat perception that people are
oh, you're shooting deer out ofMiss Smith's flower garden.
But, like I mean, we justtouched on it, these deer are
hunted in a gated community forsix months out of the year by
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300 people that are only allowedto go in certain parts of the—
yeah, and this hunt's been goingon, for I've been doing it
since 2011.
So you look at how long that isand and and how hunted these
deer are, and they are stilldeer.
You know people think, oh well,they're up around houses, they
probably won't bust you, theywon't smell you.
That's not true.
(04:00):
I mean, they're they stillnotice something's different.
Yes, and and it and it is.
And it because you know theysee like normal human movement
of people walking their dogs andthey ignore that.
But when you step into thewoods and camouflage, it's like
they know that they're stilldeer, they know what's up and
that, uh.
So I wouldn't say that to thepeople that think that it's easy
(04:22):
.
I I know of a lot of peoplethat have gotten in that hunt
thinking that they were justgoing to absolutely stack them
up and they go six months andkill two deer and they're like
this isn't worth my time.
So, uh, I have some advantagesbuilt in being close and and
having done it for a while thatI've I've learned how you're
rolling out.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, you've learned some tricks of the trade.
Yeah, yeah, it's like.
It's like you know even huntingnormal way, not like urban
areas.
It's like you know your maturebucks are typically going to bed
in the same area year afteryear.
Yep, you know the same areasare going to hold deer bedding
areas, you know it's just, it'sall kind of repeatable in a way
that's another thing if you wantto shoot 40, you can't be
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looking for mature bucks,because you're not gonna find
them.
When you shoot the first thingthat steps out, you don't
imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's just a shootout walks out, you just shoot yeah,
have you ever hunted anythingurban?
I have not.
Wouldn't it feel weird?
Yeah, a little bit.
Do you ever see other huntersum?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I guess two years ago they they necked down the
amount of people in the hunt byonly allowing members of hot
springs Village and theirsponsored guests.
So the number of hunters wentdown a little, not a lot, but I
feel like most people that dothis are.
They pay to be in leases,they're still in deer camps and
(05:38):
I would say probably 75% of themare still more rifle hunters
than they are bow hunters Really.
So in September, when nothingelse is open, especially before
the regular archery season,you're going to see other
hunters.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Once that opens up and you know people are chasing
big bucks or they're down attheir camps and you know, I
would say there's, you know, avery select few that are still
out there.
There's not many people like methat are spending all six
months of the season inbasically one spot so people can
go out and urban hunttechnically before our season
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opens.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes, sir, and then, whatever you kill, then don't go
against your six tags, right,correct?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
six tags, right, correct.
So I mean you, technically Iguess, could kill your six, your
six tag deer and then go andjust slaughter urban deer for
the rest of the season, if youjust wanted to keep shooting
deer yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So in that four, in that 40, in that 40 deer, uh, 36
of them were in the urban huntI used four of my state tags.
So, uh, my dad's got someprivate land in lonsdale and you
know some other places that I'mable to hunt.
You ever just need a break fromthe urban.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You're like I just wanna.
I just wanna get well out andaway and like maybe some bigger
woods, uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I, I, when I was coming on to this podcast, I was
thinking about that.
You know, I kind of askedmyself.
I was like, well, a lot ofpeople would say, if I took the
time, money and energy andenergy that I invest doing that,
could I go kill two popin'young bucks every year?
You know, going around thestate, could I hunt some areas
where I'd be a more diversehunter than hunting over a bait
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pile all the time?
And yeah, I mean the answer isabsolutely.
You know, I invest all that timeinto urban hunting and there
are times where it's like, man,I, you know, I want to, I want
to go, I want to go chase somebig bucks, I want to go to
Kansas or whatever.
And I, you know, I've, I've,I've done that, I've, I've gone
to Kansas and I still shot asmall buck.
But, um, but that's what it,what it boils down to.
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You know, uh, uh, my wife, latein the season, she was, she's
like I want you to take me, youknow, out to where my, where my
dad hunts.
And I was like it's hard for meto go out there where I, I have
a 25 chance of seeing a deer atthis certain stand that you
have to go to versus.
I know I'm gonna see a deer inthe village.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I'm gonna get to shoot and to me that's what
it what it boils down to yeah,it's just fun, you just wanna go
out there and shoot, that'sright, yeah, hmm.
So I imagine now you know whatyou're doing.
You know shooting 40 deer in aseason.
You're packing a bunch of like.
You know trial and error as faras making the shot, getting the
shot placement.
You know like you have to whena deer is there and you shoot,
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especially archery, and Iimagine you got that dialed in.
You didn't even shot so manydeer.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, it's funny.
So they make you qualify everyyear.
Right, and obviously, with me,having done this for a decade,
this hunt's become thecornerstone of my deer hunting
and I was always, you know, thatcompound guy.
That was like you know, youshould never shoot a crossbow
unless you have to, and I thinkit was two years ago.
(08:51):
You get two chances to qualifyand I mean it's a 20 yard shot,
should be a chip shot, but yougot people lined up behind you,
you got 10 rows of guys shootingin it.
It's nerve wracking and uh, Igot.
I stepped up there with mycompound and I failed the first
round and it really it put theuh and I had qualified for, you
know, eight years in a row.
No problem, I failed that firstround and, like it, put this
(09:11):
cloud over me where I was.
Shook I was bad.
You're like what's wrong with meand I mean, my dad was trying
to talk to me because he hadqualified right beside me,
because I had told him I wasgoing to qualify with both that
year.
I was going to do, yeah, andhe's like, you want me to leave
this bow?
And I was going to qualify withboth that year.
I was going to do that and hewas like you want me to leave
this bow?
And I was like get out of here,just go away.
You know, because I was shookand so I qualified with my bow.
And the next year I was likeyou know what, I'm going to
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qualify with the crossbow firstand that way I'm guaranteeing
that I'm going to get my permit.
You know the vitals Lungs andheart, yeah, and so I mean it
should be a chip shot at 20yards for most archers, and it
is, but it's pressured, but it'salso pressure.
It's pressure.
(09:53):
So then, when I qualified withthat crossbow, I was like you
know, I've shot opportunities Icould get if I carried the
crossbow and just swallowed mypride and said you know, this is
a population reduction hunt,this isn't a you know, but
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you're single-handedly, I meandoing it.
Yeah, I've had some people thatsay you know why do you keep
shooting the small bucks andstuff?
You know even urban hunters andI'm like I mean they
specifically sit up there andask you don't pass deer.
And a lot of people still do.
They're using that hunt to tryand kill nothing.
But you know racked bucks andI'm like you guys should be
thanking me, you know they'rehaving this hunt.
(10:36):
They're having this hunt becausethey can justify it by the
amount of deer that are taken.
And in order to do that,there's got to be some people
that are putting up numbers.
Yeah, because out of the I mean, you've got over 300 people in
the hunt and most years there's200, 250 deer killed.
So that's less than a deer ahunter, which is yeah, so I mean
somebody's got.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I mean you're taking care of like 40, you know 39,
including yourself, yeah, andthen 40.
So who?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
pushes the urban hunt ?
Is it the homeowners or is itthe insurance companies?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I would say it's a little bit.
There's an application processwhere they come out and do
biological surveys with the gameand fish and they look at the
square footage of the area andthere's a holding capacity for
deer where they can be healthy,and usually those conversations
are spurred by people are thesedeer in my gardens Eating my
(11:26):
flowers, eating my flowers?
We're hitting them with ourcars coming down you know the
main roads and so they startlooking into it.
And then that's when they dothe.
They come out and do the deercount surveys and things and say
, ok, yeah, you guys, you guyshave a population problem.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So in the village there, Hot Springs Village, is
there a point that you think youguys will not get that hunt
because the population has comeback down to where it's healthy,
or do you think it's just likea overran?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I think it'll continue, just because there
will be lower harvest numbers.
I think they'll keep continuingto have the hunt to keep that
that number in check.
But me and my dad were talkingabout it earlier, where we I
have actually seen the urbanhunt work, because in 2015, when
the first year where they didit like six months out of the
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year, every evening that youhunted you had to go 20 miles an
hour going out the gates or youwere going to run over a deer.
I mean DeSoto was littered withdeer.
That's the main road that runsfrom the East gate to the West
gate and you know you'd comeover a hill and the whole, the
whole road would be covered.
And now you don't really seethat.
I mean there's still peoplehitting deer, just like any
(12:39):
other country place, but it'snot.
I mean I see less numbers, youknow, in headlights driving out
than we used to.
So I think what we're doing isworking, so it is taking the
numbers down and it's obvious tome that it's not detrimental
because you're still I'm stillseeing deer.
So there's still populationthere where it's not like we're
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wiping them out, right, butthey're maintaining a healthier
number.
How many deer, deer you?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
think you would have killed if.
If you took how you hunted thisseason, with your experience
you know you killed 40 thisseason.
But you had all that take placeeight years ago when the
population was higher.
Maybe would you have killed waymore, like would there have
been more deer to kill um, well,it's.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's funny that you asked that, because I think the
first year that they did it fulltime it was like 2015,.
You know, and that was socialmedia was around and stuff, but
it wasn't these hunting groupsweren't as prevalent and things.
And so me and another buddy ofmine I think we were, you know,
competing with each other and Ithink I killed 18 deer that year
.
There were 14 of them in thevillage and I thought, man, I am
(13:46):
laying them down, this is crazy.
And they had a.
They had a end of year deal andthis guy named Kevin Brown,
they presented him with a plaquefor like the being the most
killed and he had killed 27.
Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, that's double what I killed
out here.
And there were pictures withhim and his now wife and his
best friend where one morningthey had like seven does and an
(14:08):
eight point lined up and I waslike, man, I got to figure out
how they're doing.
So there were definitely someguys through I mentioned Bo
Elmore earlier.
There were some guys that werekind of motivation into like,
how are they putting up thesenumbers?
You know, what are they doing?
Different than me, you know, Imean everybody's out here
(14:28):
sitting over a corn pile.
Why are they?
Why are they killing more?
It's not, you know, it's notlack of effort, it's like what
are they doing?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So you're like striving to like put up higher
numbers.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
How can I get to 50 next year?
How can I get to 60?
Oh, I make it to 60.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh, I don't know you know what I mean, you know
everybody.
Every year people ask me youknow I've kind of gotten that
reputation at church and it.
You know at work that people,people know that I should, and
uh, it's become a thing wherethey're like well, what, what's
your goal for this year?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
yeah, where are you gonna?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
land.
I've always said double digitsand they're like there's no way
that that's still your goal andI'm like if you kill 10 deer a
year, that's awesome, that's alot you know, and I was, like my
problem is going to be what yousaid earlier about if they take
this hunt away and I got to goback to killing five or six,
that's what's gonna hurt.
You got a couple state license,so yeah, so that that may.
That may force me to travel alittle bit yeah, have you.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I see you're wearing a sequin uh hoodie on.
You know, have you ever thought, maybe going in, you know, door
knocking and stuff, trying tofind like other urban areas that
you might can hunt maybe forlike bigger deer?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
you ever gave that a try?
Not not so much bigger deer Ihave.
I have, uh, used social mediaand these and these mapping
services and things that thatkind of give you names and
addresses, and I've, I'veacquired permissions over the
year on lot, especially in areaswhere, like, there may not be
that common property that we'reallowed to hunt, but I know
(15:53):
there's deer over here I startlooking at.
You know well who who ownsthese lots over here.
And if you start looking,especially in a golf and golf
community, retirement community,you start looking and seeing,
well, these people live in NewJersey and these people and it's
like they probably have theydon't care as long as I can get
in contact with them and youknow they're going to be like,
(16:14):
oh sure, you know they they haveit for you know their vacations
and they so they can come playgolf.
It's basically a golfmembership, so that's one.
Another thing with that isthere's a lot of private lots
and there's a lot of opportunityto get permissions.
I don't ever really target bigbucks in the village.
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I mean, everybody wants to killbig bucks.
You know you get them on camera.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But surely every once in a while a good one will get
killed.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, there were some nice ones killed this
year.
I killed about 130 inch 10point back in 2020.
That's pretty good one and butmost of them, you know the what
happens, what I've seen happen.
I used to get real excited with, like the the trail camera
pictures leading up to theseason.
I mean you, we'd be gettingthese and I'm like I mean
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they're, they're every day andyeah, when it starts so early,
like you were saying, they'restill on their summer patterns
and you think, oh, I can killthis deer, it's achievable here,
I can kill this deer, butyou've got to think about that
September 1st or September 8th,that first morning, 300 people
go in the woods in a confinedarea.
And if you don't kill them, sitone, everything changes, yeah.
(17:27):
And so I've gotten to the pointwhere, like this year you know,
this year, like I said, itstarted on the same day as the
hunt that was the early Arkansasvelvet season and I started out
.
I was on private land trying tokill a velvet buck, and I think
it was Saturday morning.
Saturday evening, sundaymorning, I was on on private
land trying to kill a velvetbuck, and I think it was
Saturday morning.
Saturday evening, sundaymorning I was on private land.
(17:49):
Sunday evening I was like youknow what, I'm going to the
village where I can shootwhatever.
I want and so I went and killeda spike that evening, you know.
So I mean, I I don't really,especially with urban I've never
, never targeted a specific bigdeer.
Uh, I've, I've actually kind of, you know, I envy those guys
like lee, like clifton, denny,kelsey, moss guys that, yeah, I
feel like you drop them off in awalmart parking lot.
(18:11):
They're, they're gonna kill apope and young, yeah and uh, I
don't have that skill set.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So, um, I I've never really targeted that, it's never
been my goal so, going back towhat you said about, like day
one, 300 people flood the woodsthere and shut everything down.
How do you choose where youhunt, like, do you pick where
you hunt in there, or is it likesplit up into spots and then
you have to draw, or anythinglike that?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So you've got a map of common properties and then
you know, like I said, if you'vegotten permissions on these
private lots that other peopledon't have, you can set up there
.
And then I partnered with.
You know, if you can get acouple of guys like you know, my
dad and my uncle were in itthis year that we're allowed two
spots per hunter.
(18:56):
Well, if you got buddies orfamily members or whatever, you
get in it together.
Well, now you've got multiplespots where you know they're.
Hey, are you going to be atdeer camp?
I'm gonna go hunt your stand,you know, because the wind is
right for there.
And that way you're not blowingout one spot and having to move
Right, right, right right, howmany acres is a spot?
(19:19):
They vary.
It's it's really what it is isthe.
It's the common propertybelongs to the Hot Springs
Village Property OwnersAssociation and it's the land
that's either unbuildablelowland creeks public utilities,
power lines, things like that,water lines.
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If there's a neighborhood, theprivate lot where the house is
is like a third of an acre, andthen behind that there's common
property and then the backyardof the other house, so it's in
between.
So you're hunting close tohouses, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Do you ever have any cairns?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
that won't let you cross and go get your deer I
have run into.
I will say that they will saythat, you know they kind of
scare you in the orientationsearly on, where it's like you're
going to have property ownersand people that are, you know,
don't want you here and thatdon't.
You know.
You need to be discreet, youneed to be, you know,
professional, and that's alltrue, that's all true, that's
(20:22):
absolutely true.
But I have found that way morepeople out there, if, if you're,
uh, polite with them and they,you know, you pay attention to
where you park and where youaccess the woods and how you're
present, presenting yourself,you know.
And if they, they get to knowyou and they understand, oh
you're, you're the hunter that'shere every year, you know.
And then they, you know, theone guy, one guy, was like hey,
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you're sitting up here, but Isee the deer every day they're
cutting down through this straw.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
You need to move over a ridge, you know yeah, yeah,
yeah, but every neighborhood hasat least one care oh absolutely
I, but I would say I to givehot springs village people
credit.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I've run into way more people that were very
polite and you know and knowthat we're there serving
purposes, as long as once theyfigure out your vehicle or
whatever they're like, okay,he's not that's what he's doing
yeah, and that we've got thepermits and the plaques on our
dash and stuff and and they,they see, you know, and I'm
friendly with them and say hello, and which I mean for them
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living there.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I mean you can't argue with results.
Yeah, I would think if yourdeer numbers are getting better,
you're not hitting more deer inyour cars and stuff.
You can't be with results.
I would think if your deernumbers are getting better,
you're not hitting more deer inyour cars and stuff.
You can't be mad about it.
I mean, obviously it's working.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and, like you said, there there are some
people that it doesn't matterwhat you tell them, they don't
want you there and they're.
They're against you killingthose deer and and a lot of the
people that are like we movedout here cause we like the deer,
and I'm like, hey, I the deertoo, that's why I'm here, you
know.
But I think that the more thatyou just you know you interact
with them in a positive way,because that can go sideways a
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lot or like, real quick, I'vehad, I've had people you know
tell me, well, we've got everyright to be out here, we've got.
And I'm like, yeah, you do, butthey live here.
And so the more positiveinteraction you can have, the
more chance that that hunt'sgoing to be able to continue to
happen.
Because I guarantee you, youget 200 people mobilized and go
to these city council meetingsand POA meetings and things like
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that and they say we don't wantthis anymore, it'll stop
happening.
So, I want to make sure that I'mone of the people that you know
.
I'm here doing what I said Iwas going to do.
I'm doing it within the rulesyou know and I'm trying to help
and have you know a good season.
Have fun for myself, rightright, have a.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Have you ever had like a moment, though, where it
got kind of Western, a littlebit sideways?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh, absolutely the very the very first year.
Uh, back in, back in 2015,.
It it actually, looking back onit, I should have called the
police, but I was trying.
This was the second day of thehunt and it was the first year
that they did it full time, andat the orientation they had said
if we have confrontations withhomeowners, this hunt probably
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won't happen next year.
So in my head I'm thinking doeverything you can.
Well, I shot at a deer andmissed, and the deer came back
in and I shot and made a badshot.
I mean, just to be honest, Ihit it in the ham, watched it
walk off and, kind of you know,went and marked blood.
I came back at like midnightwhich, looking back on it, was a
(23:17):
bad idea.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, I can see that.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Because now you went from hunting in the urban hunt
to now I'm blood trailing atmidnight.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yes, and I mean one of those things where you've got
flashlights and you're out inthe woods and this guy actually
didn't live in the village, hewas on the, you know, there's
like the private edge, rightright, and I found where the
deer had crossed and I was in mydad's suburban, and so I was
like, well, I'm going to go backto the truck, I'm going to move
the truck down here closer towhere I saw the deer cross, and
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then I'm going to pick up theblood trail.
Well, as I got out of the truck, that guy fired two shots over
my head and I was like, swingingthe flashlight, yelling hey,
you know, like I'm, I'm heredoing the urban hunt.
He yelled that's not whatyou're doing, get out of here.
And so then I'm like I mean, Idon't want to leave this deer to
rot, because we're talkingSeptember 1st or September 2nd,
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so it's 85 degrees, it's warm.
You got a small window to gofind that deer.
Another reason I'm out there atmidnight.
I knew I couldn't let this deerlie, and so I was, like you
know, questioning all my lifedecisions.
Yeah, and you're only on day twoof the first year I tell all my
buddies and they're like youhad a guy fire a gun in your
direction.
You didn't call the police.
(24:35):
I was like no, I didn't want toget shut down, guys.
I was like I just switched to aheadlamp and went and found my
deer and got out of there, youknow.
So there's been some times likethat.
There's been, you know, peoplethat intentionally try to not
recently because I think they'vegotten more used to it, but
there's been people that youknow will go out there with
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their leaf blower and try to,you know, interrupt your hunt.
But, it's just one of thosethings.
Like you know, you deal withthat urban hunting and you also
get to the point where you'relike if you pay attention to
deer behavior, when I saidearlier that there's still deer,
yes, but deer adapt to theirsurroundings and, like leaf
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blowers, don't bother them.
You know, they hear that everyday.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So they don't care yeah it's a normal occurrence,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So I'm guessing, being urban, you have to drag
your deer everywhere.
I'm sure you can't usefour-wheeler side-by-side none
of that, that is correct.
Yes, sir, oh man.
I'd be hunting close to housestoo.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I mean so when you're looking at getting set up in a
spot that you know there's deermoving through, are you trying
to get away from the house?
Are you hunting close to thehouse from the house?
Are you hunting close to thehouse like where would you,
depending on the spot, kind ofwalk us through that, like how
you make the decision how faraway from the house you get?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
well, you know, early on, when I was urban hunting, I
was more especially aftergetting shot at getting a guy
shooting at me and some otherpeople yelling at me.
I was like, well, my, my goal isto find these biggest blocks of
woods the as far away frompeople as I can.
But one thing I've learnedurban hunting is like those
blocks of woods that I wastalking about.
(26:09):
If you think about it, ifthere's houses all around in one
block of woods and you've got abait pile in there, you're
trying to hunt it in the morning.
Where are the deer?
They're in that same block ofwoods, and so your ability to
access that and get in therewithout blowing every deer out
of there before you climb up hasbecome.
That's probably when you wereasking about eight years ago.
(26:29):
That's probably what I'velearned the most is there is a,
there are safety parameters ofhow close we can be to houses,
roads, golf courses and thingslike that.
But I've I've turned mine, myfocus has flipped, or my, my
strategy has flipped to where Iuse those houses and those roads
and things as my access.
(26:50):
You know where I'm 65 yardsfrom the road, but I came
straight off the road and wasable to get in my stand without
going through the deer andknowing that, okay, the deer,
don't come from this direction,because they're not coming from
that house.
Their feet, you know.
I can get the wind blowing in myface and I can get in that
stand.
I can hunt that hunt over abait pile in the morning, where
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a lot of people won't hunt baitin the morning because they're
blowing deer out, yeah, and sothat's just things that you
learn and you're.
You're actually using thaturban to your advantage.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, no, like you said earlier, I mean a way to do
it better.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And be, you know, less discreetwhen you're coming in, you know
more.
Just not blowing it out,because I imagine if you blow a
chunk of woods out in urban landthey'll come back, but I
imagine you probably just ruinthat hunt yes you know, because
(27:43):
there can't be that many deeryeah, and that's where I think
that people, people have thismisconception about urban
hunting.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Is that, like you know, like infinite amount of?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
deer, you can, you can pressure them all that you
want and you can.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You know it's.
It's just like anything else.
You can have a have bucksshowing up left and right and
you, you know you shoot one ofthem and even if you're clean in
and out, you're just gettingdown blood, trailing it,
dragging it out, and you'llnotice, all right, that buck
didn't show up for a week afterthat so you have to take that
into account.
If you're somebody that's outthere trying to shoot bucks, you
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have to, not, you know, youwould think, oh well, this doe
comes at three and the bucksaren't coming till last light,
I'll shoot this doe.
The buck's not going to show up.
No, something's different.
Yeah, something's different.
You know so, but yeah, it'sit's it's.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have you ever?
Have you ever ran any problemwith the law?
Like I know?
The first thing people would doif they didn't want you there,
they would try to find a way toget you removed using law.
Has anybody ever tried?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
that Well luckily out in.
Actually, while I'm urbanhunting it seems to be more of.
You'll be in the stand orsomething and you'll see the
local police come up and park byyour vehicle and go and look
for your dash placard and youcan deduce that what happened is
one of these people called,said there was a suspicious
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vehicle or whatever.
The cops out there are wellaware of what's going on.
So they know, but they know whatyou're supposed to have.
And they come out and they lookand see okay, he's got his
placard, he's good to go.
What?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
if you don't, do you get like a fine or do you just
get?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I don't, I'm not really sure.
They just kind of harp on it inthe urban hunt or in the
orientation.
They say that you know, if youdon't have your dash placard
there and they think you're inthe woods, the assumption is
going to be that you're notsupposed to be there, so they're
going to come get you out ofyour tree or bring the game,
basically ruin your hunt.
(29:38):
I got you.
So it's more of a like you know, cover, cover all your bases
and and help us out and give usa leg to stand on with these
homeowners that look, look, he'spermitted to be.
Yeah, I mean, he's goteverything he's supposed to have
.
Yeah, um, outside of that, likethis year, um, outside of that
like this year, uh, I got somenew across the street neighbors
(29:59):
at my house and uh, so the thatearly buck hunt was going on and
at during that hunt you couldonly kill bucks in it, right,
but the urban hunt started thatsame weekend yeah and uh, I
guess this was actually monday.
It was the third day of the hunt, the last, because I think the
the earlier our uh, velvet huntwas like saturday, sunday,
(30:20):
monday, right, it was monday.
I pull up, I've got a doe thatI've killed in hot springs
village.
It's tagged, got the ear tag init, everything.
I dropped my tailgate right asmy new neighbor's pulling in his
driveway don't think anythingof it.
I've drug 150 deer across thisbackyard.
Never been a problem.
So I drag the deer out to myshop, hang it up and next thing
(30:42):
I know I'm getting a knock,knock, knock, game warden.
You're like uh-oh, and I waslike I immediately knew what
happened because I saw myneighbor pulling in and I was
like they saw this doe andthey're aware that it's a
they're probably thinking that Ishot this doe during a buck
hunt, uh.
And so I mean, the game wardenwas real cool.
(31:03):
I was like I guess you need tosee my permit and the tag and he
, you know, called it in.
He was like, hey, you know, Ipointed over to my wall and my
shop's covered up with all thelittle buck yeah, the ones that
aren't big enough to go in thehouse.
I said man, I've been doing thisfor a long time.
And he was like, yeah, he waslike that, I mean people just
(31:23):
don't know.
And I was like hey, and heapologized and I was like man,
you're doing your job, you knowthat?
Yeah, I'm glad that.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, I'm glad that Now I know my neighbor's a
snitch.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying.
That's right Speaking of caring.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So I was actually surprised that it took that long
for a game warden to get called, because, yeah, you would think
that that would be like ayearly occurrence.
Well, I've always wondered that, Like I said, I live in a
neighborhood and I'm like, ifpeople pay any attention to the
amount you know, if they knowthat your limit is six deer
(31:58):
statewide.
they've got to be like man, thatdude, this dude's doing
something, that dude's dragginga deer across his yard way too
often.
So I mean, I was surprised ittook this long, but I was also
very, very thankful that, youknow, he was very cool about it
and was like hey, you know, I'mjust doing my due diligence and
you've got everything, all yourducks, in a row, so you're good
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to go.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Have you ever so like what's the most deer you've
killed in one day?
Like, do you ever just sit downthere and just it seems like
deer keep coming out, coming out, coming?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
out.
Uh, going going back to, I wastalking about Kevin and those
guys that have in seven or eightdeer.
Uh, there's another guy outthere, cody Barnes, where he
shot four or five in one sit.
And another guy that, uh, he'sactually on the fire department
out there and he said, man, ifit snows, I got a place I can go
kill five or six.
Oh, wow, and he had done itbefore and I was always like I,
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you know, like I said I wasaveraging 20 a year but had
never, never, killed three inone sit.
You know it was just one or two.
And I was always like, man,where, where are these spots
where you can just where theyjust keep coming?
And so this year I was, uh, Itook the day off and, uh, that
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morning hunt I shot three andthat was the first time I had
killed three in one hunt.
I went home and since I hadtaken the day off you know work
doesn't stop I got on mycomputer, did a little bit of
work and then I was like I'vegot one spot where there's been
some midday deer.
I was like I'm off, you know, Idon't have to pick my kids up
or nothing, so I'm going to slipback out there.
(33:31):
So I took a shower, went backout there and I shot another one
.
So that was four.
I texted my buddies.
I've got a little group chatwith my bowhunting buddies.
They're like dude, go home,what are you doing?
And I was like this is awesome.
And I was like but the fourthone took me a little bit to find
.
And then my daughter actuallyhad a cheer camp that night and
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so I was like I got to get thisthing donated and I got to go.
And by the time I got to pick upmy daughter there were more
deer in that bait pile where Ihad shot the fourth one and I
was like man, I could havekilled five if I would have been
able to stay.
But yeah, so four is the mostin a day.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Three is the most in one set.
Wow, dude, that it's gotta befun.
You know what I mean, like bowhunting, just skin, all of them
yeah, uh, it's still it's.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It was one of those days that when I killed three
that morning, I looked at myselfand was like this is why you
don't kill three in one morning.
It was still a ton of work, Ibet, because you gotta drag them
, find them, drag them, yep.
And some of these places, youknow, yeah, they may be close to
a house but it's straightuphill.
You know, hot springs villageis in the oh it's definitely
terrain.
Yeah, it's it's hilly, and so II was like yeah, that I'm I'm
(34:49):
gonna stick to shooting too.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, I'm around to.
We're out to shoot eight.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I can imagine so is this something you see yourself
doing, you know, for the rest ofyour life?
Do you see yourself maybegetting into a different, you
know, style of hunting?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't know.
I think that as long as theycontinue to have an urban hunt
that close to my house, when youstart looking at the cost of
some of these leases I mean thepermit costs and stuff is dirt
cheap compared to a lease andit's almost a no-brainer to keep
doing it I do think, like thisyear, me and some buddies are
(35:30):
going to put in for Kansas againand maybe I'll have a little
more restraint and wait for abigger one.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
but you'll be tired of it in like three days.
You're like, you know I'm readyto go home and just shoot a
bunch of deer.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I do want to diversify, you know, and I think
that's where I got to this yearwith, like, the crossbow.
I got to where it's like it'snot hard to kill one with a
compound anymore, it's not hardto kill deer.
So it'll get to a point where Ithink that I'm like alright a
little bit of challenge that'skind of what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I know a guy kills a bunch of turkeys, travels around
and kills turkeys.
He went from shooting them withshotguns to shooting them with
crossbows.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
He just wanted a little bit more challenge
speaking of that, does Urbanhave a turkey hunt?
They do not.
That's unfortunate, but Iwonder if they got turkeys there
, I will I bet they do.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I will tell you this there is one what the spot where
I killed three deer in one sit.
There's a spot out there whereI cannot feed corn because if I
put out corn, 30 turkeys willeat it before I'm back really
able to hunt it.
Wow, that's the only spot likethat, but I mean there's a lot
of turkeys will eat it beforeI'm back really able to hunt it.
Wow, that's the only spot likethat, but I mean there's a lot
of turkeys in the there's.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
There's some spots where there are a bunch of
turkeys, but I imagine y'allprobably won't get a turkey hunt
until people start hitting themwith cars.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, no, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
That's what it's gonna take you know, until
turkeys start eating flowers,yeah you know.
Or or getting hit by cars?
You probably won't.
You see none of that.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I will say Fairfield Bay.
A couple years ago they put inwhere you could kill a bear
during the urban hunt.
Now it did cost you, like yourstate.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Do they got a problem with bear coming in the urban
areas and tearing trash up orsomething?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
No, I think it was more.
Well.
I say no, I don't know enoughto speak on that, but what I
think it was was you know thatthat urban hunt was starting
earlier and people were seeingthese you know bear and then
they weren't filling that quotaor whatever, and so they're like
well, if we got a chance to, ifyou're passing a bear, that's
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20 yards on a bait pile.
If you, I mean you still haveto use your state bear tag.
I think you know you can onlykill one.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh really, but uh yeah it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So it wasn't a true or, but it was like a bonus to
urban hunting.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
There was you were able to shoot a bear if one came
in so if you've never doneurban hunting, how do you get
started like, how do you getpermission, how do you get it
going?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
so tags so most of the hunts still go through the
arkansas bow hunters associationand they have a website that
and inside their website there'slike a sub website that's all
about the urban hunts explainswhat they are any, uh, I guess
two years ago, maybe three yearsago, hot springs village poa
took over running theirs uh, sothey still partner with the game
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and fish, but they are not withthe bowhunters association.
There's another one up likelakeview heber springs that they
they do their own uh and it onthat.
But it explains all that on theuh on their website.
And basically, the first thingthat you have to do is become a
bow hunter certified, which isdifferent than your hunter's ed,
because my uncle did it thisyear and he was like well, I'm
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already hunters and I'm likethis is different.
Uh, it's like international bowhunter education program and
then if you're going to carry acrossbow, there is a separate
one.
That's like crossbow education,and so there's a little bit of
red tape you go through.
You can take these coursesonline.
They're like 30 bucks orsomething when you pass the test
.
Uh, once you get certified, yousign up for like a, an
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orientation through, orientationthrough.
They're listed on the websitewhen they're going to be for
which hunt.
With the aba, any orientationcovers every hunt so if you go
to one orientation and you doyour proficiency shoot.
You pay for your tag or you payfor your permit or whatever.
They give you the tax.
You could go to say cherokeevillage and I got you and say,
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hey, I went to this orientation,here's my stuff, here's my
placards, so it kind of coversall of them.
It covers all of them, um, butuh, hot springs village one is a
separate fee.
It's it's more expensive andit's done through the POA.
So they have I think I don'tknow the website off the top of
my head, but they have a hotsprings village POA huntcom or
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something that.
That's their website that laysout all their rules and
regulations.
Once that happens, when you'reat the orientation, like I said,
you have to do your proficiencyshooting and then the first
year they make you go throughlike a field day where they
teach you like tree stand safety.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
They want people to be harnessed up.
They teach you blood trailingand some other things Because,
like you said, you know you wantto make a good shot, you want
to not be, you know, trekkingacross.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And inevitably there's so much private land out
there that there's going to betimes where you're having you
shoot a deer on common propertyand it ends up on private
property.
You want to limit that as muchas you can, so they're teaching
you how to, how to blood trailand and and, to avoid the you
know, going up and and knockingon somebody's door.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, Avoiding conflict?
Absolutely yeah, cause they'retrying to just be discreet, like
you.
Just they want you to just goin there and not disturb
anything, probably not even letpeople know that you're there.
That's right, I would imagine.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Just get the job done .
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Do your thing, yeah and get out Yep and they
probably don't want the cityslickers coming in.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, because they got So-and-so, shot a deer in
the leg in the rain in Susan'syard, yep, you know, got blood
everywhere on her flowers anddied there.
That's kind of a big deal.
He had watched blood come out.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So I got to tell you my craziest urban hunt story,
all right outside of gettingshot at.
So this one morning I had thisdeer come in and if you asked me
today, I thought I smoked thisdeer, thought I double lunged it
, you know, two-inch expandablebroadhead behind the shoulder,
easy peasy.
(41:20):
My niece had a birthday partythat I had to be at.
It was one of those where yousqueeze in a morning hunt
knowing you're— you don't got alot of time, you don't got a lot
of time.
So I get down, go over thereand I'm not finding the sign
that I'm thinking, and so Iblood trail it a little bit and
I mark my last spot and I've gotto go right.
So I mark the spot, I leave, goto the birthday party.
(41:45):
I'm coming back from thebirthday party, I get in a car
wreck coming back to the village.
So I'm dealing with that.
This young girl ran into me.
I was going straight at astoplight, she was turning, she
wasn't looking.
So I'm dealing with that, stilltrying to get back out there to
find my deer, call my parents.
I'm like, hey, I was, I'm fine,I was just in a wreck, and uh.
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So I finally get back out there.
I'm kind of shook up from that.
My car's tore up.
It's still drivable.
But you know, I get out thereand I park and I had hung like a
, I found a Folgers coffee canand I that's where I what I
marked my last blood and it wasgone and I was like that's weird
.
And so I I hear this dog justbarking just incessantly and it
(42:32):
just won't stop and it'sactually kind of the direction
that and I'm like, well, I'mgoing to go check that out.
He's probably on my deer.
So I walked down there andthere's this lady with like a
German shepherd and she's hadbeen walking her dog up there by
where the Folgers can was andthat deer was.
I was right there by it but itwasn't dead and so the dog
(42:58):
jumped the deer up and likepulls this lady through the
woods down and it jumps across abarbed wire fence onto private
property and it's out there,just you know, like wobbling
around, and I go down there andshe's like is this your deer?
And I was like I mean, I don'tknow nothing about that, Well
it's actually funny because Iwas being honest and she thought
(43:19):
I was lying.
I said no, ma'am, I shot aspike and I don't.
I don't think that's it, butit's like I am blood trailing a
deer.
So I was like I couldn't.
I wasn't, I'm not sure the dog.
The dog had the deer bait up,but we were still on the village
side because it's on privateproperty, yeah, and we're
looking at it and she's like,well, what are we going to do?
And I'm like I don't know.
(43:40):
And we end up, you know, Iguess that was the and this was
hours later, hours later,because I had gone to the
birthday party.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I can't believe this deer is still alive.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And it ended up falling over Diane while we were
there and she was like nowwe've got to get my dog back.
You know, like cause I, so weget the dog over there.
You know, call, get it calledback over.
And she was like she was alittle old lady, she's like
you're going to have to holdthis dog, you know, while I get
(44:12):
it harnessed up and everythingshe like ripped out of the
harness.
So I'm helping her and uh, soshe says, okay, uh, thank you
know we introduced.
She said this, this is her dogand you know, and he likes it.
She's like, call, call me ifyou ever need any help finding
deer.
Oh my gosh.
And so I'm like I say all right, well, thank you for your help.
(44:33):
I'm sorry for the inconvenienceand I like I never meant for
this to happen.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
This is kind of crazy .
Speaker 2 (44:38):
This is, this is urban hunting ma'am this is uh,
and so that was that was prettycrazy.
But she starts walking away andthe dog will not leave the deer
.
Yeah, so she said, you're gonnahave to walk with me.
You know, to a certain point,where we get away from.
And so she's.
She's like grab hold of thisdog.
This is like a German Shepherd.
I grab it.
The dog bites me on the arm.
(45:00):
What Like bites me right here.
And so I end up calling my wifeand I'm like so I shot a deer,
I tracked a deer, I marked blood.
The blood trail was, you know,somebody moved my car.
That's a worst case scenario Iwrecked my car and this dog just
bit me.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's a horrible case scenario, a chain of events
.
Yes, it was.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And so that was probably the craziest day All
for a spike too.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
you know, all for a spike, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
My hat didn't come in for today, but I just ordered a
hat.
That sums me up pretty good.
It says bad day to be a Spike.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Oh yeah, Spike Slater , I don't think we ever all grow
out of it.
You know, I see them come inand they're not paying no
attention.
I'm like I wish I could shootyou Back in the day when I was a
kid.
I'd just mow them down.
Yeah, because I mean they getcrazy, you know.
Oh yeah, you know, 11 inchspikes like that dude needs to
(45:57):
die, that's right.
He's a four year old spike.
Let's get him out of here.
Yeah, I mean you can't shoothim, that's right.
I mean, I guess I guess youcould apply for that's some kind
of coal, you know, but whatever.
But, dude, we got crazy spikesrunning around or come to the
urban hunt and then you canshoot them.
Shoot them all.
I know it.
I'm telling you.
Well, matt dude, thanks forbeing here.
Yes, sir, it's kind of crazythat you've been doing it now
for uh, right at close to 10years, and like 40 deer in a
(46:19):
season.
Like you're getting better.
Yes, sir, you got high hopesfor next season, uh yes, sir,
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
You go for 50?
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
I don't think so worry out.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah well, this year I was able to uh some things
that you know.
Like I said, this year wasn'ttypical for me, but we, you know
, I think a lot of it came downto some compromise on.
You know, uh, it all comes downto to time and time in the seat
.
You know, uh, how much time canyou spend in the woods?
And and that guy, shay reedfrom the arkansas mobile hunters
, he's talking about, you know,comparing yourself to other
(46:51):
hunters and seeing what they doand you're like, well, how are
they doing that?
And is it for me?
It all came down to being there.
I mean, like you say, it was asix month.
I hate when people use this word, but it was a grind.
You know where it's like.
Every single time that I had anopportunity to get in the woods
, I was there and there weremornings where I didn't want to
go, yeah, and I was like, but Iknow that you know I I've made
(47:12):
myself go and I was like, but Iknow that you know I've made
myself go, you know, or it waslike because I had that
motivation to.
You know, like I said, theyincentivized donating the most
deer and I wanted to see, Iguess this year, when it started
all so good, it was like and Iactually I think some of my
buddies from that bow huntinggroup they late in the season I
(47:35):
hit like 36.
And they were like, well,you've got to go for 40.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I was like I'm going to run out of time, guys and
arrows.
They were like no, you've gotto go for 40.
And I was like man, there's noway.
And then the next hunt out.
I killed two and I was likeit's doable, guys, it's doable.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
We're back in it.
We're back in it.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
We got new life.
So I think just little thingslike that, your buddies pushing
you on or wanting to hit.
I did want to hit 30, becausemy record previous to this year
was 26.
So I wanted to hit 30, and thenwhen I hit 30, it became 40.
You might as well go for 40.
You, I?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
wanted to hit 30, and then, when I hit 30, it became
40.
You might as well go for 40.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
You need to be chasing after a broadhead
sponsor.
Oh, I know it, I know it,that's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Hey, you got some real R&D going on, yeah.
So people ask me well, whatbroadhead do you shoot?
And I say whichever one's onclearance at Walmart at the end
of the season, because I'm goingthrough them.
Because yeah, if you shoot megameets at 40 deer, you will need
to take out a second mortgage onyour home.
Oh, I can only imagine, man.
But yeah, I don't think as faras next season, you know, going
(48:42):
for 40, I would never enter theyear with that kind of goal.
Yeah, it's just kind of be likethis year, where you go in and
what happens, happens, whathappens happens.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
And if it starts out great, then ride the wave.
I hear you, man.
Well, I I promise you one thingI'm definitely not killing 40
deer next year.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
I hadn't killed a deer the past two years.
Well, that's because my kids,wife and kids kill the deer.
They do.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, well, man, I think that wraps this up.
Thanks for coming today and uh,man, I wish you the best of
luck next season.
Well, thanks for having me.
And uh, I mean, you gotanything else?
Shockley, you got to add thatother than 40 deer.
That's crazy, that's prettywild, dude.
Successful season, man.
Yes, sir.
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