BIG SARGE FISHING | Ep067 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and you're off the Goggled Beast
Guide.
Now today we have as our guestBig Sarge.
Right, you might know him fromChannel 4 Fishing Report or the
Buzz.
He's a Lake Fort guide, allright.
So he's going to give usfishing tips.
He's going to give us you knowwhat the fish are doing.
Right now.
We're going to talk about livescope, the good, the bad, the
ugly.
A little bit about a lunkerprogram maybe here.
But before we get into it, makesure you leave a like.

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hit the bell for notifications yeah, you got to
find the fish.
You got to make them compete.
If you find a school, they'llcompete and they'll put that.
You put that bait in front ofthem and they'll fight for it.
But the ones that are out there, I like to call them bogeys.
You're sitting out there in 40foot of water and one's sitting
there at 10 foot and gettinghurt, a hit.

(00:44):
I mean it's you know.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hit or miss.
That's right.
They'll either do it on thefirst time or they won't do it
at all, yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'd be throwing out like 15 different rods out of
them, Like you, got to bitesomething and what I notice is I
have a fish that'd be like on astump or something and have
some fry around and You'll throwon that fish and your bait will
be falling in and it'll go upand hit it and it's like if you
don't catch it on that firstinitial hit, it's like the
likelihood of getting that fishto bite again in a short amount

(01:11):
of time is really slim yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Have you all done this?
We discovered this during thebig spawn at Fork.
So let's say this is yourscreen and you're looking out 75
, and let's say you're 30 feetdeep and you're looking out 75.
And let's say you're 30 feetdeep.
When I come up on a stump andI'm aiming at it, I bring it all
the way up to five feet and Ishrink it down to 30.
Now I can see that.
I can almost see that fishbreathe.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, we do that that's a neat little yeah
just taking it in right thereclose yeah, and we're rolling
now.
I mean we're just oh, we're onright now, yeah, we're just
slowly going into it okay, justget it rolling, yeah, so, uh,
yeah, so you know you, uh, youthrow down in there and you get
real close where you canactually hit him in the head.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know, yeah, and a lot of times, like some fish
you know, like bed fishing, forexample.
Right, you got a fish in a bed.
It's swimming around the bed.
It's like you'll sit there fishthat fish so long that you
start to figure out what thatfish it does you know what his
actions are and you'll figureout what it'll do whenever you
throw past the bed and drag in.
Okay, does this fish want me tothrow it directly in the bed?

(02:15):
All right, and you startfiguring them out.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's pretty cool so, and I just got off lake fork and
of course the leech were there.
So when you know we don't guideduring that time we try not to
because you know, give them alittle respect, right.
But if you can find thespawners and the brim are up
there too and they'll chase thebrim off.
They're, they're mad, and youcan almost flip flip up in there

(02:38):
then they'll come up and lookat it and just keep moving it
and making her or him you knowit might be the buck come, come
and just knock the crap out ofit, so that's cool yeah the fish
ain't on beds, no more.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Huh, I mean they are.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
They're in three stages at fork right now, really
so when hackney calledyesterday dreg gray, hackney
called my show, um, he wascatching spawning.
Uh, of course there's a bigpost spawn right now.
They'll move out to the point,secondary points, they'll move
out to shell beds and stuff like.
That's why the crankbait was aplayer.
Um, I'm a huge jig guy so I can.

(03:12):
I always throw a football jighalf ounce up to an ounce and
just drag it on those shell bedsand and what color you like to
throw, I like a little sharktruce there.
And so, uh, green pumpkin witha shade of shark truce in it.
Uh, rage crawls one of myfavorite trailers.
And here's the thing about jigfishing, cause that's where I

(03:33):
made my money.
I mean, that's where my mything is is jig.
I've got a hundred differenttrailers and so, depending on
how they act or my confidence,I'll just keep switching.
And so, depending on how theyact or my confidence, I just
keep switching.
And ever since Dustin Connelland Wheeler got into the picture
with their baits, they workpretty good too.
So I don't know, have you everthrown a scrounger?

(03:55):
So you know, connell did realwell on that scrounger.
So put a freeloader on the backof a scrounger and just throw
it and just swim it.
You know it does this all theway back.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
That's pretty cool.
It's basically a minnow.
Really it's like a little soyou know it has like a bill.
When you crank baby down itgoes up.
So it just makes it just golike that Kind of like a Wiggles
.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Basically jigging minnows.
So times say we'll all three beon the lake and be fishing and
like say the bite's not realgood.
And then it's like there's acertain point where it just
turns on the conditions getright and we're all catching
them on different things,different colors, I mean, how
big do you think color reallyplays a factor other than just
dark and light colors?
Yeah, natural colors right?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
yeah, of course I like to shark true, some of my
too and so if the water's alittle bit, you know, got a
little stain to it, it alldepends.
When I look at the water, I'mjust going to look at if it's
stained or clear or whatever.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Here's Ferry for instance Okay, it's clear.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
It is clear, but right now they've had so much
rain that it's a little stained,and so I'm going to throw
something, I think, that will beflashy for them, you know, and
a lot of it is like I said, Ithrow a lot of plastics and so
I'll shark truce the tail or puta little red on it, you know.
Either way, I will tell youthis, our fisheries get hammered

(05:16):
a lot, and fishing line is huge.
You ain't going to believe it,but they can see the line, as we
know, and so it depends on whatline you like to throw.
Um, I mean, you could throw ata fish with, uh, let's just say
big game, and she comes up andlooks at it, leaves alone, turn
around, throw a 10 poundfluorocarbon, she hits it.

(05:37):
You know what I mean.
So it's fishing line has becomehuge, especially with the
scopers and stuff.
Yeah, because you're gettingheavily educated Very very.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Especially when I know sometimes we'll get hung up
on a fish scoping because wesee the fish.
We're trying to catch that fish.
We know it's a good-sized fishand it's not doing it.
We're just educating it,educating it, educating it, and
it knows better.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, you've got to think they can hear the pinging.
They have to, yeah.
And so a lot of those guys will.
When they get up there they'llshut everything off and if you
notice, if you watch the leech,yesterday these boats were
pulling in on some of the guysthat were leading.
They'll tell them turn off allyour electronics.
And so these fish are getting,especially our crappie man.

(06:22):
You know, when LiveScope andForward Facing whatever you want
to say came out, I knew it wasgoing to be huge for crappie
guys.
They can go up to it and I'vegot crappie guys that actually
call the show crappie holics andstuff.
And so, dustin, down at LakeGreeson we know how clear Lake
Greeson is, right, so you can goup to a brush pile and you can

(06:48):
pick it to death if you want to.
But before live scope, what wedidn't know is those fish said
they got tired of it.
They'll move about 10 feet leftor right.
So if we didn't have live,scope you're thinking okay, well
we're done.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, they're not done.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
They're just right there, right and um, I just knew
it was going to be big.
And I still say today that thegame of fish has got to limit
our fish.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Crappie especially.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I mean, who wants to eat 30 crappie?
I don't know.
And so the size too.
Now I will say this the guysthat call my show will tell me
straight up if it's a big, hugefemale, take a picture of it,
client, and send it back in thewater.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's what we do.
We put our fish back.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
We don't keep any bass.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I ain't kept a bass in 30 years.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
No.
We just go after you know Ienjoy catching them, right Do
you keep them Sometimes.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Sometimes I like to size off of them and here's the
deal.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Someone will tell you you know, keep in two pounders,
you know, yeah, I mean nothingbig, just small ones yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
That's the way I grew up, though If I don't take some
, my grandpa will be frowning onme.
That's right.
He called me the other day.
He's like y'all keeping thosefish, y'all caught.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm like yes.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
You're going to get a lot you throw back.
I'll say grizz ferry, come along ways with kentucky's and
small mouth is is really thegame of fish has done a good job
with that.
Yeah, so you can go out thereand you can catch a three or
four pound can uh, a small mouthwhere you couldn't five years
ago.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right, yeah, yeah so I also heard they're going to do
a locker program here on, soyeah, supposedly yeah when are
they gonna start that?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
you don't like that idea.
I do love it, but here's thedeal.
We ever going to see it?
All right.
So here's the deal.
Y'all know anything about Texas, right?
Yeah, okay, sher Lunker, theystarted years ago.
Lake Fork I'm saying Lake Forkbecause that's where I helped
guide had 200 brood ponds on itbefore they flooded it.
Okay, all right.
So once they got it, where theythought the fish were 8 to 12

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pounds, they flooded the lake in1986.
They blew holes in these pondsand of course that's where you
want to go fish.
You want to go fish during thespawn and then ponds because
they can come and go out of thatlevee.
You know it's underwater.
So wherever all the guidesneeded, they all want to know

(09:12):
exactly where those are at.
Well, anyway, uh, and then theystarted the.
I'm thinking 16 to 24 is the isthe slot.
Okay, well, listen, a 23 inchfish is eight pounder yes, you
got to say hello and put itright back.
Well, here I ain't sayingeverybody, but they'll cut the
sides out of them.
That's what happened to LakeMonticello, you know, it was
great and then they put thewrong fish in there and then
they had to drain it and nowthey're redoing it.
But there are lakes, lakeConway being one of them.

(09:36):
I jacked them around all thetime because they ruined that
lake by not getting the permitsfirst to fix the dam.
They drained it.
All these people are mad.
They're around Lake Conway Nowthey don't have a place to fish,
blah, blah, blah.
And so that would have been agood share of Lunker Lake for
sure.
Not real deep, stays warm, andit had big bass in it already.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Biggins.
I've caught some big ones.
I went to college at UCA and weused to go over there and catch
some biggins hey, since youwent there, did you ever go to
beaver fork?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
yeah, I went to beaver fork.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Okay, yeah, so that's when he paid five dollars right
and it comes up.
Yeah, we went there, weswitched that little what
thursday night or tuesday night,whatever it was drop shot.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's on my show.
Everybody's got a nickname, bythe way, so eugene moore.
Yeah, he's, you know eugene, Iknow eugene, okay, yeah.
So, uh, I went, I did a safetyboat safety uh, saturday two
days ago and, um, I went outthere and I caught a five
pounder.
I mean it's easy to catch fishthere, yeah, uh, and now
everybody's flooding from conwaylake, conway going to beaver

(10:36):
fork.
Like I said, you gotta pay fivedollars, but you know it's
worth it.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Fun place, huge houses, good lord man, yeah, we
used to go to conway.
I just remember me and ty yLord.
Man, yeah, we used to go toConway.
I just remember me and Ty Y'allmet Ty yeah.
And we used to go and you putin you never cranked the motor
up and you would just wear somegood bass out on Conway.
You never cranked the motor up.
Just go down the bank, frog.
Really shaky head green pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
It was just fun too.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
so what happened to?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
lake marcello.
You mentioned something aboutlake marcello.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, so I had game fish on a couple three years ago
, whatever I've been on 10 years, so it's been a little bit and,
if y'all remember, they had todrain it.
There was a lot of problems.
So and I'll never say his name,but off the clock we went
outside and he said here's theproblem.
They were supposed to putflorida strain in there and they
drop whites in there.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
And so now they're running crazy in there so they
had to drain it to get them out.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
So they dropped the wrong fish yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
And they wouldn't say that on live radio, and I don't
know who's going to watch thispodcast.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
But I don't want to bust them out, but that's what
happened.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's crazy, holy cow.
That's a big mess up.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, mess up.
Yeah, serious mess up.
Yeah, no kidding, costly, verycostly.
It wasn't only so.
What do you don't like aboutthe lunker program for?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
arkansas.
I mean, no, I do like it, Ijust don't know that we'll ever
see it in our lifetime.
I mean, we talked about thisyears ago and we should have
started something like this along time ago.
So we can, I mean, look at,look at the places that have
shared lunker programs in texasor wherever, look at all the
resorts and all the restaurantsand all them that are getting

(12:11):
the benefits off off of this andwhat we could do, and so what
do you mean by benefits?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
for you know our viewers watching what are you
talking about benefits well forthe the community.
Let's just take lake conwayyou're talking about revenue, oh
yeah okay big time extrarevenue, yeah, big fish, you
know.
And he said something about youknow it's.
You know it's not gonna be inour lifetime, but it has to
start sometime.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Right it is it does and I, I would love to see it,
but you're right, start it nowand I heard about I heard about
the biologist guy that was thatwas trying to start this.
I don't know where I've seen it,but I said, yeah, it's great.
Now you gotta.
You gotta pick a lake first andfigure it out.
I mean atkins could be one ofthem.
Uh, poinsett, conway, you know,and, and conway is the way it

(12:56):
is right now.
They drained it.
So, if they can figure out,they dropped some gravel over
there.
I don't know if they spread itout over there, that I don't
know if they spread it out, setthat lake up for success and
it's going to take a while.
It may five years down the road, maybe 10 years, and you know
you, you just got to operate itthe way they do there and you
know people can't keep fish andyou gotta you know you gotta

(13:19):
monitor it.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
So but I think the idea of it is that you catch a
fish, take the eggs or whatnot,and they, they hatch them.
Um, the success rate of that isit's in a controlled
environment.
Yeah, so you have a betterchance of of of putting better
quality fish in the water bycontrolling it.
I guess that's what they'retrying to do.

(13:42):
Yeah, catch a good quality fish.
It's just like a deer, rightRight, or a dog, so they're just
trying to put more fish andincrease the chances of catching
good quality fish, and you'reright about the revenue side of
things as well.
It is good revenue.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
It's like big fish lakes Everybody wants to go.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
plans a trip to go have a chance to catch a big
fish.
We go to Texas all the time tofish.
We do that because of theLunker Program.
I mean we want to catch goodquality fish.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I understand it completely and listen.
We've watched this year alonethat there's been some tens.
Millwood is a good place tocatch a good fish, but look at
what happened over Lake Fork thelast three days of the elites.
It took a 30-pound, at least a30, maybe 34, five-fish limit to

(14:29):
even move on.
That's pretty studdish.
It took a 40-pound bag inToledo, didn't it?
I seen that Saturday.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yes, Five fish, 40 pounds.
Is that not amazing?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Is that not crazy?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
I mean, you give somebody.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
You take a random guy and you give them a 40-pound
day, a 40-pound sack day that'sthe best advice.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
So let me ask you this?
How in the world you know howit gets all this pressure?
How in the world are you stillcatching 40-pound bags?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I just think well, I don't know how those guys caught
it, but just think what itunlocks.
And I don't know how those guyscaught it, but just just think
what it unlocks.
And I know we can use sideimaging and all that good stuff.
But look at the fish that wascaught at fork with with the uh,
live scope.
They're catching these postspawn.
Once the lake settled down.
Now they had the gates open.
It was crazy.

(15:19):
Lake fort don't like current.
Once it settled down there wasno current.
The fish would just suspend offthe bottom and they'd just
chill.
And I think I don't know howthey caught them over at toledo
b and I'll find out thursdaybecause I'm fishing turbot down
there.
But um, I just think what we'vegot in electronics now has
unlocked a secret that you can.

(15:40):
You can find these big ones.
I mean those guys yesterday andSaturday they wasn't looking
for five-pounders, they wouldpass up three to five-pounders
to find the eight-pounders.
Well, we've never done thatbefore without electronic or
without livestock.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
No, I agree, I still wouldn't do that.
Catch a five-pounder.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
You have to catch a bunch of five-pounders.
You have to be a stud to passup a bunch of five pounders.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
You look at McKinney Trey he had.
So day one he had like 33.
Day two he had like 30 again.
But day three is when he onlyhad 21 pounds and he's like I
don't know what happened, butI'm going to go catch you
tomorrow.
I passed up a bunch of stuffand yesterday he had 38 in his
best five.
So he had over 80 pounds ofbass.
Yesterday he only had like 11fish.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
It was the best day anybody's ever had, but it
didn't matter, because he had a21 pound sack.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
He had 38 the last day.
That's crazy man.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
That's wild.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
He called it, he's like I'm going to catch nothing
but big ones.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
You think that's why everybody hates forward tracing.
I say not everybody, butobviously people that don't take
the time to learn it hates it.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
So we got three major circuits out there NPFL bandit
Major league, you can use it forone period, bassmasters you can
have it the whole time.
And the word is Garmin boughtinto Bassmasters.
So guess what.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
It's there to stay right.
That ain't going to go nowhere.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
But I watched Matt harron's little podcast and he's
kind of been banned from afishing anymore because he spoke
his mind and his big thing isis talking about the leadership
at bass masters.
They don't, they don't fish,they don't know anything about
fishing but they're entertainersand they make money.
Yeah, we got to that's right, soit doesn't matter.
You know, here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
You know, people are sayingwell, nobody's watching,

(17:29):
nobody's watching it.
You know what, if?
If you're gonna make me keep itin bass, masters, then put that
22 or 13 or 15 inch monitorback here so the camera can
watch what he's doing.
So I can see you.
You know, here's the thing.
I'm tired of looking his back.
I'm tired of looking his back.
Well, you know what camera goon his screen and now you can

(17:52):
see what he's doing.
I think that would add to itwould definitely add I see a lot
of anglers doing that now.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, and you know from from getting their name
bash, I guess.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Maybe yeah, but uh no , it would be more entertaining
people that don't use it don'tunderstand but, I think, to me.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
It's kind of cool, though, because you look at some
of these guys now and like youreally might see a 10 pounder
anytime you turn live on becausethey're, they're literally
finding them, you know I thinkit's kind of cool because you
know, yeah, like some peoplethrow a frog and you know
flipping a bush, every you knowjust watch people ripping like
that but it of cool, you look ata guy and they put him on live,
like hey, he's looking at itand he's a sharpshooter, he's
hitting the shot.

(18:30):
Yeah, I've been through withsome fish on live scouting.
It's not easy.
There's definitely a lot oftalent behind it.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
When I was a kid I used to go watch the Bassmasters
and stuff.
I remember Dad taking take meout there and I'd watch all the
pros take off in their boats andall the ranger bass boats, you
know, and so you know we startedbuilding boats and started, you
know.
You know this it's taken mostof my life up, my younger part
of my life, but you know, werecently got back into bass
fishing pretty hard and all thenew technology, you know it's

(18:59):
made it, it's made it fun and Iand I I can't tell you if I had
to go out there and throw thebanks or just hope I don't know
if I would get into bass fishing.
Um it, it makes it more likehunting a fish.
You know you have options youknow you could catch a small
fish and go for some big fish,but it's rewarding for me, yeah.
So I think people that don'tuse lascope or don't take the

(19:21):
time, if they're just judgingthe technology, I think they're
just judging the technology.
I think they're missing out.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
I think they're missing out.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Now, I do think there's regulations.
I think the number of fish youcatch should be regulated.
I think, maybe in a pro level,that you're fishing for money.
It could be like they're doingnow either allow it or don't
allow it.
Whatever it is, people justmake their mind up.
But I think it's a good thing.

(19:50):
I think it's getting more kidsinvolved, the younger anglers.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
There's tons of great young anglers that learn
LiveScope really well.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Listen, I had Cole Pennington just won Hamilton by
himself, and he didn't do it allby live scope, but a lot of it
was.
Easton Gray is another14-year-old.
These kids are growing up onour live scoping right, yep, and
they're freaking studs.
I'm telling you they're winningthese big tournaments and
they're 14 years old.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, they can play video games too, you know, so
it's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
It's changing.
You know it's like the guy thatmajor league fishing.
You know, on the day for thechampionship, uh round he, uh
the first two periods of it.
You know that only scope oneperiod.
He never threw his pole in thewater, he just went around and
drove his boat around and foundfish like on side scan and down
scan.
And then the last period heturned his scope on and came all
the way from last place and gotin fifth.
You know how much nuts you haveto have to do that.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's swinging for the fans.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Not throw for four or five hours.
To me I mean you're a militaryguy, right?
So everything you do in life isa strategy.
So what's the difference?
I mean you have a strategy,this guy, he had a plan, he did
something no one else would do,and to me he deserves it.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, Because there's no way.
I mean he deserves it.
The score tracker's going off,ding, ding, ding and you're just
sitting there driving aroundriding in your boat.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I mean to me, Y'all still hear me.
Yeah, that dude did somethingthat no one else would do.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, he deserves that I mean he put everything on
the table.
That's right, he got it becausehe didn't.
I mean he literally did notthrow a single pole until his
live scope period.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
It's kind of like us in the boat business.
We're like, well, let's do it.
And the strategy of fishing,it's not fun, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
The way that you learn like what baits do what?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
rapidly learning you know how to fish I mean, it's
root for the game of fishing.
Live scopes taught so much.
Well, the crappie guides aredefinitely benefiting because
they can change colors on thefly, and that's what.
That's what you got to do withcrappie.
Um, we all, we all know theyfeed up, and so now I'm not
dropping it past them, I'mkeeping it in front of them, and
I said this when it first cameout.
I said watch out, because fiveyears from now, where we used to

(22:10):
catch crappie like crazy, we'renot going to anymore because of
this.
Now I could be completely wrong.
Our, our pro guides out therecould be, you know, limiting,
but if you're going to keep itat 30 per person, well, guess
what?
They're going to catch 30, andthen they're going to do that
before lunch and take anotherclient out and catch another 30.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, they need to stop that.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
The crappie definitely.
I can see catching 30.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
In a small lake and my pros that call in, they'll
tell you real quick that you canpick a small lake to death and
it will affect it.
Now Greer's Ferry or somethinglike that.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
They keep telling me that they spawn so much that
we'll never see it go down.
Now I can tell you this yourexpertise, what you're dealing
with all the time, isn't what ison the lake.
Yeah, so you could take a livescoper like yourself or whoever
that's really good at it, andput a normal live scoping guy
that just went to you know, justgot some equipment he's not on

(23:13):
the level that guy is.
So a lot of times you got toreally think about this.
Yeah, because you know we'll gofishing.
How many times we've gonefishing?
We have 25 pounds of fish inour live.
Well, and the guy next to us atthe boat ramp has the same
equipment.
He goes.
Man, I couldn't get fish tobite, yeah, yeah.
So you also gotta remember thattoo.
There's a live scoper and thereis a professional live scoper.

(23:35):
Yeah, and and to get on the,the professional live scoping
level is talent, because you gotcontrol the boat, the wind, the
color, everything.
You gotta know what to throw,when to throw it, when to change
or when to gamble.
And, uh, never day, joe, blowguy.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
He, he doesn't know that yeah, no, you're right, it
takes a serious time.
He doesn't know that.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
So you know, I think the live scope does help
everybody, but it's only a smallportion of people that actually
makes a difference yeah youknow, because it's just so hard
people think people thatactually makes a difference.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, you know, because it's just so hard People
think that shit's easy and ittakes a lot of time to get to
the point where you're reallyefficient with it.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I like it because I can look in front of me and find
brush piles that I've neverseen before, and everybody can.
Everybody can find that, butcan?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
they stay on that brush pile in 30 foot of water
or 20 foot of water?
No, can.
Can they stay on that brushpile in 30 foot of water or 20
foot of water?
No, can they make the shot?
No.
So once they get hung up two orthree times, they're going to
give up on it.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yeah, I've got to know where I like it.
When I'm just going down thebank and I look, oh there's one
over to the right and I start tocatch it.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's freaking nuts.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
You feel like for a second, you're like Well it's
also the random toss too, likeyou're just going through there
and you're on Mach 5 on yourtrolling motor, right yeah, and
you got spinning around and youthrow in there and you hit that
sun gun in the head.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
You know, nine out of ten people ain't going to be
able to do that.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
You know, I don't care what it is.
When I do it I'm like, oh myGod, I just got lucky, you know,
and we fish all the time andand you, you watch, he's a
professional dude, they are on adifferent level, they're just
flipping.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I mean just say they're all flipping over their
body.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Just say, tyler, when we go with tyler, yeah like
tyler, freaking like every timeI'm, when I'm in the boat, when
I'm sitting, I'm missed like twotimes and I'll hit it then
tyler stewart.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
All right, tyler, thanks, thanks.
When I fish with Tyler, I justsit down in that boat.
I can't even keep up with him.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I figured out that it's about the knot too.
So these guys that are throwinga spin casting, you know, with
braid and then fluorocarbon,talking about the knot, you got
to have the right knot becausethat way it won't hang up when
you're flipping it out there,you know, and they're so good,
aren't they?

Speaker 4 (25:43):
I learned that the hard way.
I kept it, kept getting hit onlike the end of the rock.
That's right, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I was like, oh my gosh, yeah they're so good and
people hate on that live scopeshit.
I'm like man, you guys don'thave a clue.
You're hating on it becauseit's an idea that you don't
understand.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah but it's here.
It's here, so it's here itain't going nowhere.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
They got too much, and if you?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
don't learn it, you're just going to leave
yourself further behind.
Because, I mean, it'sinevitable.
It's like phones, when phonescame out, like if you didn't
ever start using a phone, you'reway behind by the time.
Everybody else was, you know, Imean.
So so do you see?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
do you see it growing ?
I mean, where do you see thetechnology going from there?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I mean I could tell you this.
I'm sponsored by icu.
That's a new monitor.
You can get them at beastoutdoor innovation slash fishing
stuff in sherwood.
So now we can get our 12s upthere, right, okay?
Well, he makes them in 18, 20and 22s and you can mirror it.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Huh, you're talking about yeah about putting it yeah
, that's right yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
And so now you know you're looking down there at
your 12, and that's fine.
You know I'm a little olderthan you, fellas, and I know you
can get something to bring itup, but can you imagine an 18
right here and looking at thatlittle jig or whatever you want
to do?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
So I think everybody's going to go well.
You've seen some of them on theleads.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I mean we got 22s on ours.
Oh, okay, so you boys arealready up there.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Oh well, we got a big train we got hard eyes.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, okay, no, no.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
We got E612s, you got E616s on the guns.
Yeah, I was in 22s on the bows.
Okay, I mean, we the equipmentin the world to use.
That's why we understand it.
It's hard, yeah, that's whyit's hard.
And then you know, you go froma 22 to a 12.
You're like what the crap?
Oh, that's what I'm saying Ican't wait.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm actually getting mine hooked up next week after
this.
Uh, yeah, we're actuallysponsored with sea light.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Sea light builds one similar to it.
Okay, they got 12, they got 16s.
They got what 16s?
And?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
26, 16, 22.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
mm-hmm, okay, yeah and it does make a difference.
And b scott, b scott tears hisup.
Every time he gets a new one,he flips into it must I broke
one.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Okay, the other two got struck by lightning, b
scott's on his third he's gothis third c light screen.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Third c light screen, second trolling motor.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Third here's the thing, and we all know, they're
not cheap, so yeah, I knowthey're not.
You know very costly.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, a good thing, we're sponsored by everybody,
huh yeah okay, havoc boats, yeah, havoc boats.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, my son's got one and, um uh, kyle, and of
course, sassy shad that's on myshow.
She comes on now and then sheworks at, uh, genesis of conway,
but anyway, kyle's got a Havocboat.
So great boats.
I'm sponsored by Skeeter slashGregor Marine, which, by the way
, is the biggest.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Which is the biggest dealership that has y'all's
boats?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, so that's cool.
He's a great dealer, yeah, sohow do you like your?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Skeeter.
So I've been in every boat.
Yeah, and I will tell you that,uh, I did get my motor flashed
and so it will run.
But if you're on big lakes withbig water, I want a skeeter or
I want a phoenix.
Um, I'm sponsored by skeeter.
Been been with skeeter 20 yearsand I like the storage, I like

(29:02):
the yamaha, I like the storage,I like the Yamaha, I like the
way it rolls, I push them.
But if somebody come up andsaid, well, if you had a second
choice, then it would gostraight to Phoenix, or you know
Phoenix Boats, just becauseI've been on them too, yeah, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, they're on the Phoenix.
I got an Icon.
I got a Bullet.
Okay, all right.
Hey, I got an Icon.
I got a Bullet.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Okay, all right.
Hey, bullet's a well-built boatwe already know.
Yeah, icon I don't know enoughabout, because it's fairly new.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, I mean I like Icon.
I mean Icon's a big deck, theloud bells are good and it takes
a rough water.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
It's a wheeled boat right.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah, it takes water, really rough water good, I mean
, but uh, it's got a wide deckwide, deck you all the suits on
that front deck, you know gregor is a uh icon dealer, and.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
But you know who sponsors us is rtr down there
and um orange um, down there,that's who, that's where you
guys built it from and that'swhere I got my icon from, uh,
but uh, so our dealers, you know, help us out a lot too.
Yeah, um, but you know what wasamazing for us and a lot of
people say, well, why they've?
You know, have glass boats.

(30:08):
Well, for us, we understandmore of the business.
You know what?
What will a glass, fiberglassboat give you over an aluminum
boat?
And then we don't build a boatthat's gonna hang with an icon,
I promise you, in rough wateryeah, you know that's you know,
that's a lot of you know a lotof these people don't understand
it.
I don't care what kind ofaluminum boat you make, if it,

(30:29):
if it doesn't have the weight inthe dead rise to shed water,
it's going to beat the snot outof you in rough water.
And you know, and I'm aaluminum guy, but I'm just
telling you, the aluminumtechnology is not there and the
weight for the wind yeah yeahyou, you know aluminum boat.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Heck, you'll stop, you'll start trolling.
You get off the trolling motorfor one second and you're like
all the way to the otherdirection.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I would take one though Let me tell you why.
If they say, hey, let me getyou there's places when I'm
guiding, I can't get into with afiberglass boat.
There with a fiberglass boat,yeah, there is a bridge over
there that you, you can't getanything under except aluminum
boat.
Once you get under it and Idon't know if you're, if you've

(31:11):
heard a christian, chris,christian fisher chick.
Yeah, I know he's aboutchristine fish, midwest fishing
girl yeah um, she went under itwith her kayak and she had like
40 pounds.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I mean, they're back there, right, and so I think
there's certain situations wherealuminum is good.
Like we build river rats.
We build, um, you know, we got2172s, uh, center console boats.
Uh, there's certain situationswhere, uh, aluminum boat will be
good.
Um, if you can have multipleboats, yes, I would really
consider having one.
Uh, but you know, if you'refishing open water, big water

(31:46):
boats, 25 mile an hour winds,you know you really need
something that's going to bemore buoyant.
Yeah, you know, it's just theway it is.
I mean, I've been doing thisfor a long time and it's just my
, our game, our, our aluminumgame isn't where it needs to be
for that condition yeah, forthat level of fishing and rough
water and live scope has tookthese anglers offshore.

(32:09):
Yeah, that's right, that'sthat's the thing about it, and I
think a lot of glass companies,I think a lot of the old
fiberglass engineering and olddesigns has been the same since
the 80s.
So it's it costs a lot forthese companies to to to adapt
to the open shore fishing styleyeah and you know, if you look,
if you go to a lake, they're alloffshore, they're all offshore.

(32:29):
So I think the uh, the fishingneeds are changing, even in the
industry, and I think live scopehas done that and I know that's
thinking really deep, butmajority of the boats are
offshore now but y'allconcentrate on hunting.
All right well our, our duckboat line.
Yes, I mean we are tillerhandle.
Yeah, okay, brush jumping, logjumping, hardcore duck hunting

(32:52):
is what we're into.
We're not into the fishingstuff.
You know, now we do buildcenter consoles for like bays
and little rivers and and webuild a really, really badass
jet boat.
You know some niche marketstuff like river fishing stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Drought fishing yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
But you know catfishing rivers, you know big
rivers, but you know open water.
Bass fishing is not what we'regood at, you know.
I'm not saying we won't getgood at it, because there's a
reason why we maybe have certainthings.
But you know it's always'salways, you know, research and
development yeah, I got youlearning, learning the uh,

(33:30):
learning the uh, what we'reabout to step into because, like
you said, there is a a need forone oh yeah if it
was done correctly if it wasdone correctly.
There's not a boat out therethat I would think it's
correctly, compared to an Iconor any boat you all drive.
I mean we've been in two orthree-foot rollers out there,
four-foot rollers or something.
Jesus man, I'm sure glad wedon't have an RDB out here.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You know what I mean?
We got some pros.
Yeah, I think John Cox is oneof them that runs one.
Yeah, lee Levesy runs one.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Well, just because they run, one doesn't mean it's
the best I know.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Listen, I mean hell, I would run one if somebody gave
me one.
Let me tell you, I'm just anhonest person.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
One of the big questions when I go to high
school is is kids saying how doyou get sponsors?
And I will tell you this here's, here's a list of mine, right?
Um, because I've been doingthis for 30 years, I want the
sponsors that back me up, thatwhen I call them, they're going
to take care of whoever I'msending.

(34:31):
I don't want somebody giving mesomething and expect me to push
it.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
If you don't believe it, that's right.
That's the problem.
I mean we get the same deal.
I mean we get sponsored bypeople and there's some stuff
that we get and we're not goingto mention it in the problem.
I mean we get the same deal.
I mean we get sponsored bypeople and there's some stuff
that we get and we're not goingto mention their names.
We're like man you know, Idon't know about this Because
it's your name.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah .

Speaker 3 (34:55):
So I mean, a lot of these anglers got these aluminum
boats and stuff like that.
There's no way in the worldthey're saying hey, you know
what, this is the best boat onthe market bullshit, because
there's not one now.
Uh, is there ways to make theboat better?
Absolutely.
There's ways to make yourskater better.
There's ways to make a havocbetter.
There's always a better way tomake something better, right, so

(35:16):
it just depends on who pays youto say what.
Um, I guess the you know moralof the person, I mean, I mean
what they believe in, you know,could be different, but a lot of
these people on social mediayou see them all the time
they're pushing stuff they don'treally like.
No, you know, and it's just theworld we live in.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Greg or Maureen.
I mean, I love Lisa Murphy todeath.
I'll do anything for her.
She goes the extra mile.
Yeah, and I want to know thatif I sell, if I help and I just
sold one for them that they'regoing to go the extra mile, help
them out.
The service after the salemeans a ton to me, Fletcher
Dodge, I'm sponsored by them.
I know that Chris and that team, if I send somebody, are not

(36:02):
going to blow them off.
They're going to help them outand so it's.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, you have a military background too.
You're wired different.
Yeah, you're wired different.
You know I'm a military familytoo.
Okay, so you know militarypeople are wired different.
They look at every little thing.
You know it's different.
You know Four years.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Four years.
Yeah, you know, 40 years 40years.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, it's hard to believe, right?
Yeah, so you know it's awesome.
There's a lot of good companiesout there to work with and
obviously you're doing prettygood at it.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, it's been very rewarding.
Not all of it's been totallyfun, but once I retire January,
this January I've retired after40 years of Camp Robinson.
Do you miss it?
I miss the people where I was.
I was a command sergeant major,so I was in the, the upper part

(36:54):
.
So if a nco e7 would never seewhat I see, so I was with the
political part, the drama part,what we're going to do if we
don't have this money come infrom DC type thing, right, right
, the training part, theeducation part, and I don't.
I don't miss that because itwas every day and it was a lot
of pressure.

(37:15):
Um, so once I retired, uh, mybuddy down down at Lake Fork
said you've been down here 30years, fishing 25, 30 years, and
you know this lake, maybe notlike him, that's been on it
every single day for 38 years,but I know it well enough that I
can take people out and theycan catch fish.
We have a good time, personnelalone in the boat.

(37:37):
You're going to have a goodtime, right?
Some guys out there.
They never say a word and soyou've got to be a little
different on that, but I've beenvery blessed.
As you know, somebody's truck'sout there that's got Havoc
boats, it's got your name on itand everything.
You have to be somebody.
Let's just say you just can'tpull up to a strip joint.

(38:00):
I'm just going to say that Idon't know if you can say that
on the podcast, but you're notgoing to pull up there in my
truck big swords and go to astrip joint, right, and so
there's things you've got toknow that there's people
watching all the time.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And then you'll pull up somewhere and people are
going to come and talk to youand see what you've got going on
.
So it's a full-time thing, itis.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
It is.
It is and really taking care ofyour sponsors.
You know I try my best to gooutside the normal person and do
videos all the time and makethem known what they're doing.
You know this is off the chartbut I've never had a video.
Just go crazy.
And me and my daughter went toLake Fork two Sundays ago.
We only had four hours to fish.
She was driving back anothertruck for me.
I said come on, we fish, fish.
We had.
We had a pretty good time three, four pounders, right.
So there's a bridge, 515 bridge, and on the corner, on the
apron part of it I'm not kidding10 feet off of there's a rock

(38:55):
hump and every time I promiseyou guys I'm not saying this
because I'm here you get there30 minutes for dark, put your,
put your live scope down and ifit's full of bait you're going
to catch one, and I ain'ttalking about small.
Well, she caught her pb andthat thing went.
490 000 views still rollingyeah, big fish.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
People like seeing big fish, especially when
especially when my daughter wentcrazy.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah that's cool, though.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
People like to feel the excitement and man, I wish I
was, wish I could do that, youknow.
Yeah, that's cool, though.
People like to feel theexcitement and man, I wish I was
, wish I could do that, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, that's what's so cool about fishing I mean,
it's fishing's cool and peopleare finding spots like that,
like you're talking about, likelittle hidden gems everywhere
and it's getting easier to find,you know, with the technology
shell beds a huge thing, youknow, regardless of what shell
bed.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
You mention shell beds a lot.
For our viewers, how do youlocate a shell bed on a side?
Image side scan.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
It's going to be bright.
I know you go out there a lot.
When you go to a point that'sgot current shell beds, they're
going to be some kind of currentthere.
It's not going to be the backof a hole somewhere 30 feet deep
.
So main lake points, secondarypoints, something like that.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Like a super bright return on your side scan yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Okay, and then what if you want to just check it out
?
All right, I'm sponsored byTackle Zombie.
Which is tungsten lures ortungsten butt weights?
We all throw tungsten right.
Which is tungsten lures ortungsten butt weights?
We all throw tungsten right.
We'll put you a half ounce or athree-quarter, even ounce,
carolina rig on there.
Throw it out there what youthink is a shell bed, and you're

(40:34):
going to know right off the bathow rough it is.
And then just hold on.
Maybe something will take itfrom you.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Like under the bridge .
That's cool.
That's a shell bed.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I mean I've of the bridge.
That's cool.
That's a shell bed, yeah.
Yeah, I mean I've seen shellbeds but you know, like, a lot
of people probably don't knowwhat you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, like, or know when to look, you know when to
be.
Well, and here's the thing too,and whoever's watching this
later on, once you think that'sa shell bed and you know it is
because you just dragged it, goback around and then look at it
on your side.
So so remember.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Now I don't know what you're talking about dragging,
so tell us what you.
What are you talking about?
Dragging something across it,like if you just feel it, just
hitting stuff, you know hard.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
So there's two things that I drag is a big jig and a
Carolina rig, and I'm not a hugeCarolina rig.
I like Carolina rig.
Well, I use one knot.
I don't use you know, knowthree knots, like some people do
.
Yeah, yeah, so, um, anyway, whenyou throw it out there, you
just let's just take a jig,because that's where the big

(41:35):
money is.
You throw it out there, let itgo to the bottom I only throw
football jigs, period and thenjust get just you know a�2,
8-foot whatever and just drag itand you want that jig head to
hit every piece of freakingshell down there, right?
You feel it, and when you knowit's hitting, you know you're in
the right stuff and she's goingto be there and she's going to

(41:55):
knock it out of the world,unless you live scope it and you
can kind of see them suspended.
But we also know with our livescopecope that they could be on
the very bottom and just keepwatching, though, because
they'll bubble up now and thenlike turtles.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You'll see a little flicker.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, and when they do that, go after them.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
It is crazy.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
That's my biggest problem.
I'll get hung up on a littlespot and I'll be staring at that
screen like I know you're inthere.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I know you're in there.
I know you're in there.
Then I started talking to us.
Oh, I see you when you first,when you first start live
scoping the big, the number oneproblem you're gonna have live
scoping is throwing at fish thataren't bass.
Yeah, here we go, the number twothing you're gonna do you're
gonna see a bass.
You're gonna get hung up on itfor an hour trying to catch that
one fish, yeah, and once youovercome those things, though,
like you get used to seeing okay, that's a bass, that's probably
a crappie or that's a gar, youknow catfish man.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I was catching catfish in trees.
I'm thinking I'm throwing ajerk bait through there and wham
, um, but look, I, I was, I waslooking at that, you know, uh,
the military, if, if, I could.
The military where all thisstarted was.
I was hooked up.
I was not a recruiter and Itold them you'll never make me a

(43:11):
recruiter.
Oh, but you got to get.
You'll never make me arecruiter, you're a talker and
you're going to tell me I had toput four people in a month, or
else you take that away and I'mfreeloading, and you take that
away and I'm freeloading, I cango out and do what I want.
Don't hang four people over myhead, I ain't going to do it.
But what I did do is help outthe marketing people.
And so I got a boat.

(43:33):
I got it wrapped in NationalGuard.
I would take people fishing,recruits that may want to be
joined.
They could get in the boat withme.
We'd go fishing whateverArkansas River.
And so I got the idea let me goto Channel 4.
This is where it all started.
So I walked into Channel 4, andI said who's the head?
Honcho, and I think his namewas Austin.

(43:53):
This is 18 years ago.
So I knocked on his door and hesaid yes, sir.
I said hey, I'm Vince Sarge,and there's one thing that
4-7-11 don't have.
He said what's that?
I said a fishing report.
He looked at me.
He goes so what are youthinking?
And I said give me threeminutes during the news.
I don't want a commercial, Iwant it during the news, after

(44:16):
sports.
So people are watching and giveme a shot and let's see what
happens.
And so, all right, I'm gonnaget you booker.
So he gave me some guy.
We went down to, uh, the ramp.
Yeah, and I'm thinking I don'teven know what to do.
The guys are like I don't knowwhat to do.
I said, well, let's go on thewater and we'll do one live,
right.
So we did 18 takes.
Later we finally got it down.

(44:37):
Well, now, of course, it's onetake, one take only right, right
, right.
And so it went from that.
I'm still doing it today.
Uh, like you know, I've got tofish that term it down in toledo
, so I'll do two weeks in a rowof fishing reports.
And so they aired at noon andit's shit and it's shown in uh
which I didn't know this for along time shreveport, missouri

(44:58):
and oklahoma, because they'resister states.
So when they're watching methey're wanting to know why I'm
not giving a report on ToledoBend.
But I didn't know.
I thought it was just Arkansas.
So we fast forward to TommySmith.
We all remember Tommy Smith,magic 105 and the Buzz.
He asked me to come in and talkabout the Army.

(45:19):
I said all right, so I walkedin.
I was in uniform and he goes ohGod, you know, thomas, I will
call you big Sarge, is that okay?
And that's kind of where thename stuck Right, and so that's
where it started as far as thename.
And then, after channel four, Iwent to Justin Acree and I said,
okay, it's working on TVbecause everybody's watching.

(45:40):
They wouldn't leave me on thislong.
How about we do it on radio?
Yeah, it's all sports.
I said, man, come on, I tellyou what Y'all listen to the
buzz.
Randy Rainwater.
Yeah, drive time.
I'm going to put you on withdrive time from 6 to 6.30.
Let's just give you a shot.
He didn't think anything of it,right?
Okay, well, before football.
So we went three months and hisrating from 6 to 630 skyrocketed

(46:04):
just to listen to a FisherReport for 30 minutes.
That's all we did.
We didn't go into all thisother crap.
So Randy called me at the houseon a sale and he goes Sarge.
I was letting you know, I gotto let you go.
Football's about to start andwe're all about football.
You know, thanks for coming on.
I said, all right, well, thatwas fun, I didn football.
You know, thanks for coming on.
I'm saying, all right, well,that was fun, I didn't get paid

(46:24):
anyway, right?
So justin acre, he called me.
He said, all right, we're goingto give you sunday.
I ain't got a clue if there'sanybody listening on sunday
morning because it's all espn,but we're going to give you from
8, 30 to 10 and let it rock androll.
Well, I'm on my 10th year,that's good that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, it's cool how that all unwinded.
You know, from the verybeginning, just walking up say,
hey, I know what you don't have.
Yeah, and now fast forward.
And you've been doing it it'sbeen.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Enjoy it.
I mean, obviously you enjoy it.
Yeah, it's cool, you know yeah,it's.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
And and here's the thing about guiding you know
I'll only do it to help rick out, because you know he's such a
good friend and he's the best onthe lake.
Uh, we, I get to meet.
You know, I had aifornia grouplast, last week, and and there's
just a bunch of cool people outthere it is you know it is I'm
not saying all of them, I mean Imean yeah I'm sure you're right
.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I'm sure there's a few, that's like I get out my
boat, you can't get on my boat,I mean guide.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Fishing is not easy.
It's not, it ain't.
There's a lot of pressurebecause they're paying you a lot
of money to catch a fish, andwhen you go to Lake Fork, I
don't want the two-pounder, Icame here to catch a big one,
and it's not just about youfinding a fish, it's their
ability to catch a fish.
Well, there is the problem.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
And so.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I had a bunch from Nebraska.
It was a mom and dad, two sons.
The kids were track stars,never fished in their life.
And I said you've never fishedin her life, yeah.
And I said you've never fishedin your life.
And you come to lake fork yeah,it's on the bucket list, so
we're gonna do it.
So I basically had to teachthem how to do a spinning reel

(47:52):
on lake fork a spinning reel.
And then mama came up and I andI knew I knew my heart.
There was one.
They were spawning on the oldyou.
I love old boat ramps that theynever use anymore.
So I got that jig, I threw itout there and I hand it to her.
She's up front with me.
She goes what do I do?
I said just drag it back realslow.
Just I want you to feeleverything, okay.
I turned around, looked at him.
I said you okay, back there.

(48:12):
Oh yeah, I'm all right.
I turned around.
I threw that way.
Her line was over here.
I said you got a fish?
No, I don't feel nothing.
I said set the hook.
It was five pounder.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
You know that's all she needed.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
See, you know, that's what's so hard that line jump
and whenever you're responsiblefor them to have you know the
outcome that are looking forthat they're paying for.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, you gotta charge them.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I'm telling you, man, stakes are high.
Yeah, you're like are you evengonna be able to throw this pole
half?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
the time it's no.
And here's the thing if it'sbad fishing, they'll never hit
it on the tarp, so you got toflip it in their form.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I guarantee it.
So how many times have you tookpeople out and not charged them
because they just could not getit together?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Well, this is my first year and it ain't happened
yet.
I had a client catch an 8.3,tipped me.
Well, for his personal best andeverybody that's gone in my
boat, they've at least caughtsome.
But for his personal best andeverybody that's gone in my boat
, they've at least caught some.
But I'm trying to do stuff easy.
Carolina rig.
I know it's a little tough butit's dragging.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
It's simple for the user.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, crankbait but they weren't on a crankbait.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Now they are Crankbait's pretty demanding
though the energy it is to throwit and your wrists are hurting.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Top water, top water, oh my gosh, one would blow up
on it.
And you're looking at them.
What are you doing, set?
The hook, you know uh, but uh,if the weather's right, they
come there.
Here's the thing.
They come there for theexperience.
I've got a good looking skeeter.
They get in the boat.
Um, I don't blow them away onthe way back.
I'll teach them live scope,just like I did with the A-Rig.

(49:44):
It's real simple because theycan see it.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
But it just has to be so cold.
It's like maybe you catch it, Idon't know.
But A-Rig is easy, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Well, I did it so he could see it.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
And I had a tire reef that wasabout 18 foot deep and you don't
know what's in there until yourun something here's, here's the
tires.
You don't know until you run itover it whether they come out
of them tires.
And so this is what he did he,I threw it, he goes I see it, I
see it, I see it all right,bring it down.
Bring it down his way up here.

(50:15):
He brought it down, he startedbringing it right above and all
these fish started coming outwatching.
I don't know what they were,they didn't hit it.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
But at least he got to see what he was doing he
understands how it works.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
You're thinking thank .

Speaker 1 (50:26):
God Put it on the show, baby Put it on the show.
I needed that.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
Yeah, but it's also fun helpingpeople too.
I can tell you like to helppeople and you like to be
involved.
It's very rewarding.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
when the guy caught it and his son was high-fiving,
they were taking pictures.
They were sending it back totheir family.
That part's great.
It don't get no better thanthat.
But what you don't know is whenyou meet them that morning at
the restaurant and you'relooking at them and they're
looking at you and all right,let's get in the boat.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
And they're scared.
You don't know, yeah, butthey're scared shitless too.
They don't want to disappointyou either.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like man, he's going to know.
Yeah, they want to know.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah, it's like he's going to know.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I've never fished before, you know, and they're
like dang, I can see both sides,you know it'd be nerve-wracking
doing it if you never done itbefore, and also for your end.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You know you got them out there on a boat that and
remember this because some ofy'all go down there.
But, um, I met him three yearsago.
It's coastal blue persuasionout of fort morgan, golf shores,
orange beach area, okay.
And uh, he said, all right, Ibooked a lot of people through
your show, so get your butt downhere, I'll go.

(51:35):
In september we got on the boat, my friends came with us and we
went out to an oil rig andevery one of us could throw.
Even you know, my wife fisheswith me.
She could throw right, he goes,boy.
You don't know what kind ofrelief this is, you know,
because he goes through the samething freshwater does right
yeah, the only thing is outthere instead of you know,
because I don't want to justpull up to a place and just drop

(51:56):
the line and hit the ground andyou know, bobble it catch fish.
Anybody could do.
Right, I want to throwsomething at that old rig and
catch something and it reallyworked out good.
He's another Rick Carter.
Rick Carter's the guy at it forWell, captain Frank is the one
down at Saltwater and when yousee them you know they're two
skinny dudes, greatpersonalities, and they can

(52:19):
catch fish yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, it makes it easier when they know what
you're doing.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Absolutely.
It also makes you feel bad toowhen they don't and they're not
catching fish and they're payingyou.
So it's a lot of pressure.
Yeah, it's a lot of pressure.
I guarantee I don't want nopart of that.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
But you never know, you know that person you might
take and started doing themthemselves.
You know, oh yeah, Live scopeis good for that.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It is good yeah Once people can see what they're
actually doing then they'llenjoy it.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
You know I'm ready to go fishing now.
I'm talking all this fishing.
You got a tournament coming up,so here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Bob Seeley started Seeley's Big Bass and we're
talking 1.5 million.
He don't play, I'm talkingabout.
Every hour is huge, and beforeI never could fish these because
I was always military trained.
I was military trained and soRick knows Toledo.
Larry Nixon, of course, callsthe show he used to guide there,
and so I don't know if y'allknow this, but Toledo is 90

(53:17):
miles long, god almighty.
Long, long Woo.
Anyway, he's got some holes andI said well, chris wants us to
come down there, so I'm leavingThursday.
I'll get there about 5 o'clock.
There's a whole bunch ofvendors that want to meet me and
we'll do some videos, and thenFriday is when it starts.

(53:38):
I've only missed my radio showone time in 10 years, so I'm
giving it to Drop shot andcarolina rig and whoever,
whoever else.
We can get in there to uh do it.
But I am going to do a livefeed.
If you watch chris sound deanand I don't have the technology
nor the money to do thisstarlink thing that they put on,
yeah, yeah and so when chris,when chris took off at lake fork

(53:59):
, you seen him sitting there allthe way to running to fishing
for eight hours.
okay, so you're either going tolike it or you're not going to
like.
If you're like chris, you'regoing to watch them, right,
right, yeah, so what I wanted?
I don't have all that, so I'msetting up my youtube with the
thing and then, you know, oncewe sit down, I'm going to have
it plugged in hot and I'm goingto try my youtube channel and

(54:20):
just see what happens.
Yeah, because we will catchfish and we know that somebody
caught a 15-pounder out there orsomething.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Goodness, I mean it's going to cut it.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Sam Rayburn, 11-4, won the Sealy Big Bass.
And so I have to stop guidingin June just so I can fish the
Sealy Big Bass on fork inSeptember.
You got to stay off the water.
Well, you can't guide for 90days.
You can be on the water, youjust can't guide for 90 days.
I'm telling you guys, I'm goingto try to win that puppy.

(54:54):
I hope you do.
You're talking about anoffshore bite and you get a hold
of these ponds and stuff andyou fish A lot of these guys let
.
And you get a hold of theseponds and stuff and you fish a
lot of these guys.
let's say that's a pond they putbrush piles around the you know
the levee part of it, man, it'sgood fishing, oh yeah give me
all fired up, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Maybe we're gonna go to lake fort.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, I'm ready to go fishing about yeah, I'll find
these ponds, you know, yeah Idon't know what we're looking
for now, don't you know?

Speaker 4 (55:21):
about the ponds?
I know nothing about it.
I've only been like for once.
Well, I woke up like oneo'clock, drove down there.
What are?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
y'all running like lorance hummingbird uh
hummingbird we have garmin, Igot just okay so lorance don't
I'm not sure about the otherones rick carter on his, on his
uh steering wheel here uh 12 haslorance, and then he has a
garment up front, but he haswhat you call a pre-empowerment
chip.
Pop it in.

(55:47):
It's got everything when thelake wasn't full.
So you see, you see houses, yousee road, roads.
You see, because I'm wonderinghow in the world is he running
500 yards from the buoy?
Well, he said well, look overhere, you look over there, it
ain't nothing but a cowfish,just a field.
There's no trees.
And so can you imagine ifeverybody could get a hold of

(56:10):
something like that, becausethat's where you see the ponds,
yeah, and the fence lines oranything that you would never
see unless you went out thereand did a whole bunch of
scanning?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I'll be now.
Yeah, I didn't know those chips?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
I know there's people sell chips like that.
Does he sell his?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
uh, they actually sell them right there at lake
fort marina.
Two hundred dollars, somethinglike that, for that chip.
I'll be damn well worth it.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
You know it like.
Save you a lot of time somebodygetting 600 bucks I was just
thinking that it was.
It would save you two hundreddollars of fuel scanning you
know oh yeah, save more than Isay your lower unit the new
update on hummingbird.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
So I got two hummingbirds.
I got two 12s here I got a 12and then my garment on top of it
.
So the new chip or not the newchip, but the new update that I
did when I put in at lake forkabout three months ago.
I'm looking at all these dots,these dotted lines and I'm going
.
No, it can't be my old trails,it wasn't, it was the boat lanes

(57:13):
going into.
Y'all been on fork, you knowhow it's just like conway right.
So when you're running you canrun into actual cove.
Now follow that dotted line andyou can get all the way the
back where, before once you comeoff the channel, shut her down,
get you something to drink.
It's going to take you 10minutes, yeah yeah, now you just
run it.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
That's cool.
That's cool, yep.
Well, I'm pumped up, I'm readyto go.
Yeah, we're actually leavingtomorrow where y'all headed, uh,
cany.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Oh, that's right, cany all right yeah we're doing
Road to the Pro, road to Prostarts.
That's right.
Have you told them about that?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, we mentioned it a little bit earlier, but
basically Tyler Stewart's goingto be taking us under his wing
and coaching us and getting usthree ready for tournaments.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Okay, yeah, big tournaments.
He's going to basically teachus the fundamentals.
You know the what to do, whatnot to do, and you know, we know
a lot, but we don't know thatpace because help me out he's.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
He's y'all going to fish tournaments or you're going
to podcast tournaments?

Speaker 1 (58:14):
to fish tournaments.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
You're actually going to fish.
I mean, we actually go all theway, you know because we fished
alongside tyler.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Just you know fun fishing right and you know we
compete against ourselves forthe most part.
And just the way he moves, theway he adapts to what's going on
, is a completely differentlevel.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
You know the way I see it.
You know, there's a lot of kidsout there that wants to do that
or do what you're doing.
You know, and I think it's away to show people that it's
possible.
You know, I'm 46 years old,yeah, you know.
And so for me to do somethinglike that, it would be crazy to
learn it.
And is it possible for a pro totake somebody on their wing for

(58:57):
six months and make themtournament ready?
I mean, can it be done?
Or is it all talent?
What is it?
And here's the thing I mean youit be done?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Or is it all talent?
What is it?
And here's the thing I mean.
You're talking about differenttypes of climate, weather types.
So is six months going to getyou covered down for when
there's a tournament, when thewater temperature is 40 compared
to when the water temperatureis 90?
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, but can he teach you all that?
Can he fish?
I mean, you're right.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
You're saying that the water temperature right now
is in the upper 70s and it'sgoing to get down to 40, 50.
Yeah, so what's your strategy?
So, when you pull up to a lake,what's your strategy?

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yes, break the lake down.
Can normal people break a lakedown and find fish?
Because you know what else I do?
You can go to a random lake andnot catch a fish, but you watch
the pros.
They'll go in there and catch22 pounds.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
So what do they do?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
And I think to make a show out of that it would be
pretty cool.
Like what goes through aprofessional's head, Like how
does he break this down?
How does he deal with thepressure?
I mean, he's fishing for money.
That's how he makes a living.
That's going to be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
That's going to be interesting.
That's going to be fun.
It's going to be a cool show.
It's going to be exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Also, tyler will bring other anglers in to judge
us like American Idol.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Like score you, yeah, score you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
How is Tim dealing with the deepwater fishing?
How is Darrell's not huge onlive scoping?
Of course I do, is you know, uh, daryl's not huge on live
scoping, you know?
Uh, of course I do.
I love it, so he had hisweaknesses.
I got my weaknesses and he gothis weaknesses.
Um, so we'll be able to judgeeach other.
You know, say, hey, man, youshould be throwing this, you
should be throwing this.

(01:00:36):
I mean, try this, your line'stoo thick.
You know what kind of poleyou're throwing.
Yeah, I mean you know, sothere's a lot to it.
You know the technology and thehooks.
And yeah, I mean you know, sothere's a lot to it.
You know the technology and thehooks and fishing line.
Like you said earlier, youdon't want to throw a six, six
with a five

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
xd, yeah, yeah somebody may have, may not have
done that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
It was tough everybody has a confidence bite
yes and if you don't, you needone, I got mine, yeah, yeah I
mean he throws it almost all thetime and in some situations
shake, it's not gonna get itdone yeah
you know it does a lot, thoughnine times out of ten yeah yeah,
if I can't get bit, I'm puttingit, I'm picking it I mean, you

(01:01:15):
know rick's the best out thereand for clients that never
fished for their in their entirelife, he'll throw a wacky all
day for them to catch fish.
And they will catch fish allday, yeah.
So, um, and there's differentways you can rig it so they
don't get hung up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Yeah, wheel is wacky everybody's on the nico train
now, which is pretty much thesame thing, yeah you're right,
it is well I've scoped, broughtthat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You know, that's one thing that really started
getting pushed through.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I've scoped yeah, freaking nico everybody's
turning nico now I was watchinghim yesterday where he was
actually looking and he wasthrowing a crankbait.
So you know it's it's different.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
Well, I'm not a big crankbaitthrower.
That's something I want tothrow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
I got pissed off that they throwing it they wear you
damn hard you wear you out likeyou're my.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
It stupid To do that for eight hours straight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah Well, especially a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Or a Gladbait.
Oh yeah, You're drinking a 6XDall day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Throw a.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Gladbait.
Tyler got on one knee.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
He's like, I'm like no, you got to have one knee.
That's too much.
That's what it takes.
He's just burning.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
He, I'm burning it.
I got a five in here.
If that's what it takes, Idon't want anything to do with
it.
Tyler, you're sweating dude.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You're done for the day and your hands are all
cramped up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Just give me a big gig or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I know we've been on an hour.
Can I mention?

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
anything Go ahead so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
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(01:02:55):
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(01:03:16):
lake fork, marina, monsterlithium what kind of batteries
y'all running?
Pro guide is what I run.
So hold on, lose real is mylast one.
So here's, here's the thing.
I had a pro glide back there.
I had two monsters, 36 tiedtogether, okay, 72, and then I
had a pro glide.
Well, I was fishing god, if youbelieve this with clients in my

(01:03:38):
freaking motor, just.
But I mean I had no powerwhatsoever.
So here's a little tip alwayskeep your power pack in there.
So I went back there and youknow, it started up and
everything, and I'm like man,there's something wrong.
There's something wrong.
So, uh, I called uh Dustin who,uh, has got a guy service there
at Lake Greeson, crappie guide,and he goes call Randy at

(01:03:59):
Monster Lithium because you needto be taking care of what
you're doing.
So I called him, he's rightthere in Arkadelphia, get your
butt down here.
So I did, and he replaced mytwo 36s and he gave me a
starting battery.
Didn't know it, they have astarting battery Monster Lithium
.
And then you know our big oldcharging systems that we have.
Well, this one's like this andit's not even that heavy, and so

(01:04:27):
all that weight's gone.
And I promise you guys, Ifished three days, forgot my,
forgot my extension cord, and itwas still 70 percent wow that
was all day and so, uh, you know, I know monster lithiums.
You know lithium batteries arepricey anyway.
But anybody listening andwatching?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
give Randy a call.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutelyyeah, and we need a list of all
of your sponsors.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
That way, our guys can put them in the video.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
That'd be nice, absolutely and Big.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Sarge, thanks for coming, man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Man, listen, y'all just ain't around to block and
I'm sorry it took me this long.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Oh it's okay, everybody's busy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
It's only an hour and a half.
I live in Beebe, but this wasfun.
I appreciate it.
I will say this Anytime that Ihave another boat company I have
to call Lisa I don't want toburn, no bridges.
Well, Lisa's a.
Oh, you know what she told meshe goes, they're huge baby get
over there I'm headed that way,she's all about some havoc.

(01:05:25):
I promise you she said just letme know when it's going to be
aired.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
And somebody told me monday yeah, yeah, yeah she's
awesome, yeah, yeah yeah, Ithink her and my wife talks a
lot yeah, I know they got phonenumbers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I know that good looking lady too yeah, she could
be a model for the havoc boatshey, anytime they got them they
got them hey we do have a bikini, uh, um, swimsuits coming out
pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Yeah, they're coming out here pretty soon, so for
summer y'all get ready uh,they're black and green, I guess
, and they got havoc logo onthem so it's gonna be good stuff
.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
All about the bikinis now big stars for everybody
listening that want to find you.
How can we find you on socialor wherever?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
okay.
So, um, I do have big stars,but vince cheryl s-h-e-r-r-i-l-l
is facebook, tiktok is big dot,sarge 64, and what I'm trying
to build up is youtube.
That's where you make money yeahand that's uh, fishing with big
sarge youtube channel.
So, fish with big sarge.
I will be live as, if best myknowledge how to do this, I will

(01:06:26):
be live during the sealy bigbass uh, friday, saturday and
sunday, so you watch us.
Watch us catch fish.
If we don't catch fish,whatever.
But youtube is is where themoney is.
Hopefully you catch fish.
I think we're going to catchfish, but and here's the thing,
he's got a ditch that hepromised me Listen, and he used
to.
I mean, he was an FLW pro.

(01:06:47):
He said get your jig and getyour crankbait, but the beauty
is they're only five minutesfrom the ramp.
So these guys that are going togo way up here or wherever it's
going to take them, you know,we may have a four-pounder, we
can run in there and bust anhour.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Just pay my may have a four pounder, we could run in
there, bust an hour just justpaid my money back and then
after that's all right, yeah,that's right, I got you.
I don't, I don't blame you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
There sounds like a good game plan to me just get
your four pounder every hour andget some money, that's right.
Get some money every hour,that's the real winner.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, absolutely why it's not both man, I appreciate
y'all.
Thank you for coming and guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
That wraps this up.
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