CACHE RIVER CONUNDRUM | EP073 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's 5 o'clock and you're off the clock with B
Scott.
Now today we have with usFreddie King and Chris Aiken,
and these are world-class dogtrainers.
They've trained world-classdogs and they're super
knowledgeable experts about dogs.
They're going to tell us aboutsome early season dog training
they're doing how they'regetting their dogs prepared,
what to do, what not to do,especially with the heat it's

(00:22):
early season, it's super hot.
They're going to teach us aboutwhat we should be doing, what
we should not be doing with ourdogs.
And they're also going to talkabout the cash river.
Some interesting things going onright now.
Uh, with the water backing up,flooding fields, houses really
interesting.
Definitely going to want tostop and listen to that for sure
.
But before we get into it, makesure you check out our gear.
On our gear shop we got somenew hats in.
Got the black with the boat onthe front, rope hat.

(00:43):
Same thing here with the Havoc,really light, comfortable hat.
This one right here I'm wearing, as you can see, camo Bill Boat
on the front, really clean hat,looks good.
But, guys, make sure you likesubscribe, hit the bell for
notifications and we're going tojump right into it.
Well, freddie, chris, let's getright into this thing.

(01:06):
You know tomorrow's the firstday of August, all right, so
season is coming.
Whether you like it or not,it's hot.
right now it's on the way, thecool weather's coming, you guys
getting pumped up or what youbet Looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean Chris is already getting his stuff ready
for dove season, which is aboutfour or five weeks away from
today.
I'm getting my stuff ready fordove season.
I mean it's hot.
It's going to be that firstpart of the city, that first
hunt when it comes in.
Everybody looks forward to it.
They're ready for it.
You know, I mean I.
I start counting the days rightnow oh yeah, I mean I start

(01:38):
counting the days right now.
everything's we're putting intheir food plots, we're getting
our stuff ready for the doveseason, we we're getting stuff
ready for ducks.
I mean, it starts right now,august 1st, like you said.
That's when people start sayingit's time, hey it's coming
around the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So what are you guys doing right now as a dog?
Getting your dogs ready.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I'll let Chris start that off.
I know he's got so many dogsright now.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well we do, I mean any dogs right now, but well we
do.
I mean we train year-round.
So we're not doing anythingreally different at the kennel.
But you know we do have a lotof suggestions what people need
to be doing at home.
But at the kennel I mean mainthing we're doing different.
This time of year is juststarting earlier I mean we're
literally standing there in thedark every morning waiting on
the first thing light.
We can see the birds thrown andwe're rolling and then we're.
We're keeping real close eye onthe whole setup because, with

(02:22):
me running so many dogs everyday, uh we run out of time.
So usually around 11 11 30,we're starting to shut
everything down because, uh,it's just getting too hot man,
it's just getting too.
Now, these dogs that I have,because they're in training most
of the year, they're in shape,they're conditioned for it,
they're, they're acclimated toit, unlike our dogs at home on
the couch, you know, but.
But they're so they can handlea little bit better than than
the average family pet andcompanion can, but it's still

(02:45):
even harder on them it really isGo ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I was going to say what do you do like, let's say,
somebody listening.
They let their dog sit up allsummer, sit on the couch in the
air conditioning and they'relike dove season you know you
hear people all the time likeman, my dog was performing, so
what should they do?
Season that's a hot one, likeyou know you get your dog out
there.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
What's just somebody do right now.
You know the the busiest yearfor sporting dogs at a vet's
office is opening day of doveseason okay, that's the busiest
day of the year and it's mainlybecause of heat.
It's mainly people overheatingtheir dogs, but what they're
doing is they're taking that dogthat's like you said in the
house, on the couch enjoying theair conditioning.
Let's face it they're, you know, they're in family pictures and
they're watching moviestogether.

(03:25):
You know what I mean that'sabout their biggest job for the
season.
But now so we got to get thesedogs off the couch, we got to
get them outside.
Now we're not about to go outthere and just do a 30 minute
session with him by any means.
Every dog's different and everydog can handle the heat a
little bit different, just likepeople can.
But man, just start off easy.
Let's, let's go ahead and startgetting them acclimated to the
heat.
Let's start getting themacclimated to get them in shape.
You know they can't go outthere opening day and be

(03:47):
expected to go out there andmake a ton of retrieves and be
out in the heat.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, you can pick up a hundred doves.
There you go, just pull themoff the couch.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I mean, that's it.
I mean really.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I mean it's you know've got to have a dog.
That's a little bit, but myfavorite thing y'all, it doesn't
take a whole lot.
I mean one guy, one dog, onebumper.
You can go out and just throwsome singles in the pond.
You know, and Freddie and Italked about this on the way
down here Even our ponds rightnow are my pool.
Yesterday was 94 degrees.
I'd like to throw a thermometer, especially designed ponds and
they're shallow and man, thosedogs come back when they shake
off on you.
It's like bath water.
So just don't think because thatdog's in the water.

(04:28):
He's cooler because it's nottrue, and they can't breathe
when they're in the water.
Their body can't breathe whenit's in the water, like that.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Dogs don't perspire, yeah.
So hot water does absolutelynothing for cooling a dog off.
And we always talk about, youknow, get them wet and run them
dry, and I'm and you, so youknow, be careful.
So many people want to sitthere and swim and swim your dog
.
Well, they'll have a heatstroke just as quick in the
water as they will.
I did not know that I didn'tknow that either.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's a good everybody, everybody assumes hey
.
And here's the other thing.
You know, when we work in dogs,like me yesterday, I'm standing
in a beautiful shady place, gota big oak tree over top of me.
I'm standing breeze blowing.
I'm not doing anything.
I'm just standing therewatching my dog working his tail
end off and he is busting hisbutt out there and back multiple
times.
I don't think it's that hotoutside.
I don't feel that bad like itain't that bad here, but I'm not

(05:16):
the one running with a gore texcoat on out there and back, you
know, four times on the way,you know yeah so you got to use
your common sense here and yougot to take care of the dog.
And you got to read the dog.
I mean, you know, man, we watchthe tongue.
Tongue comes out, tongue getswide, gets thick, comes out the
side.
I mean all that stuff's likeshutter down mode right there.
And then at that point we'renot saying go over and jam him
in the box, we're saying hey,just tie this dude out, let him

(05:38):
get a towel off, dry him off thebest you can get all that off
of him so that he can dry outand his hair can do what it's
supposed to do and kind ofradiate that that heat out of
there and get him cooled backdown and make sure he's in the
shade.
You know, and another thing I,my dogs, all ride my back seat.
I don't know about you guys,but my dogs go everywhere I go
and they're in the back seat.
I am petrified of me gettingout, being on the phone, being
busy, being distracted, gettingout of the truck and cooking my

(06:01):
dog in a truck.
I mean how horrible would thatbe?
Oh yeah, and it'll happen realquick you know, and these trucks
, today they shut off, Like Igot one of my trucks.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
They don't stay started anymore.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
No, my Toyota shuts off after an hour.
Me and a phone an hour'snothing, right?
I mean, you know we do that allthe time, right?
So man guys got to watch thesedogs close because it didn't
take long.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean those trucks.
Well, they get 150 degreesinside.
I'd get easy, easily, I'm sure.
Yeah, and you're right aboutthe truck shutting off.
You know all these new trucks,they do that now yeah, exactly,
absolutely so there's.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
There's a lot to it, but most of this stuff just
common sense stuff.
But, man, but get that dog offthe couch, get out there, do a
little something.
That doesn't take long.
Hey, we're talking five, tenminutes, all it takes.
You don't have to have anyspecial boots, a special whistle
man, just get out there and getthat dog some exercise and get
him ready for opening day,expose him to the things.
You know like a lot of thesedogs never have hunted.
They got to be exposed to somebirds, they got to be exposed to
the gun.
They need to be some, you know,working on some obedience,

(06:57):
because, you know, dove season'skind of chaotic.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Oh yeah, and chris is touching on a different subject
right there, but he's talkingabout dogs with their first hunt
, bringing a young dog on theirfirst dove hunt.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
They get them back from you guys.
They think they're ready to goout there and hunt it, and Chris
is going to tell you that dogshate doves.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean most of them hate the pin feathers they get
in their mouth and that sort ofthing.
So you've got to be carefulabout them.
Just overhe know, justoverheating because of that
Because a lot of them get itpulls the moisture out of the
mouth, right.
So you're always going to bringwater.
You want to make sure you know.
If I'm hunting a dog, he'sgoing to be in the shade.
That's all there is to it.
100%, 100%.

(07:35):
You're going to take your timewith a young dog.
Sit back, watch.
Let the dog watch what's goingon, more than actually getting
in the middle of a hunt.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
That sort of thing, because it is chaotic.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh it is.
It's very chaotic and that dogwill?
They get ramped up and a lot ofstuff going on and just them
sitting there without anythingto drink or being in the cool
they get.
So we got dogs on the truck.
Right now we have to pull offthe truck, tie them out in the
wide open, because they'll getso jacked up while other dogs
are working that they'llactually overheat in the trailer

(08:09):
if you're not careful.
Oh yeah, and young dogs will dothe same thing.
They'll get hot, but that's adifferent subject.
Just always watch your dog, butthe main thing is just sit back
with that dog.
Let them watch everything.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Take it in.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, take it.
It's more about the experienceand maybe picking up a bird or
two, that sort of thing, andjust slowly introduce them.
But that's a completelydifferent subject than the
actual heat.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, because I imagine, man, you just turn a
new dog loose and some dovehunting.
I mean that can go crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Hey, listen, I'm going to tell you right now that
first hunt will make or breakyour dog, I know it.
I mean, you're either fixing toturn this into a fine hunting
companion or you can run thatdog forever.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's probably not steady if it's going to get her
chewies People are shootingdoves all around and they're
like.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
You know what.
I'm thinking I almost wouldn'teven risk it on a dove hunt like
that.
You know, and here's the thingwe hadn't even talked about Some
of these states, like Tennessee, they don't open until noon on
opening day, yeah, and so youknow these guys are going out at
2 o'clock in the afternoon.
They've got their black dog outhere, you know, their chocolate
dog out here.
I mean this dude is soaking upthe sun.
It's hot.
I mean it is.
Everything about it is bad.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
You know what I mean Well, I've been hearing it's hot
, soaking it up, soaking it allin.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
And if I'm going to hunt a dog in the afternoon, I
promise you I'm going to haveone of them, little kiddie pools
like this, right here.
I'm going to bring twofive-gallon buckets and throw a
bag of ice in it and have my dogjust stand in it or sit in it.
I mean, at least do somethinglike that.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
You cool your dog down through their paws.
That's it, believe it or not,everything goes through their
paws, their paws and theirbellies, that's why they dig the
holes.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Sometimes you see dogs digging holes and laying in
it.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
They dig holes because they get that fresh dirt
and lay down, lay down in itand another thing.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Freddie talked about this too, but a lot of people
think I'm going to put my dog inthis whole cooler full of ice
because he's hot.
Well, blood up and that ends up, that ends up for lack of a
better word is I've killed it.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Will you don't?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
cool dog off real fast you got to cool them down
real slow.
So but what freddie's doing ishe's got these.
He's got these little kiddiepools.
He's throwing a bag of ice inthere, there's an inch of water,
whatever in there.
He just makes them come inthere, sit in there, even maybe
he would even hunt from there.
But the deal is that's gettingthat body temperature down and
keeping him under, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
But the main thing is Keeping it down right from the
very beginning.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, and dogs don't need to go out there and have
great big hunts and hunt allover the field and go visit
everybody in the field and allthat.
They need to go out there.
They're 20, 30 yards.
Get the bird and come rightback.
So if you're going to hunt anew dog or a young dog, get off
to the side where you even ifyou're only killing six or seven
, we'd rather have career is.
Get over here in the middle ofthe thicket where everybody's

(10:42):
just blazing guns, going crazy,everybody's killing birds and
him get out there in the middleof chaos because he's going to
explode I remember a story christold me.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
We talk about dove hunting dogs, blah, blah, blah.
He said man, I got this perfectspot for a young dog.
I've started so many young dogsand it was actually a spot
where the does would fly land onthe highline wire.
Just right there just happenedto be one of those spots We'd
all seen them, yeah.
And every bird would come inthere and land, boom, shoot it.
The dog would just sit thereand watch.
Bear dirt 20-yard retrieves, Imean that right, there is all

(11:11):
you want for a young dog, andyou want everything to be so
positive, so simple.
The dog doesn't get overheated,you don't have to worry about.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
you know all those other going-ons out there.
It just pick you a spot likethat dead trees.
Those sort of things we justneed.
We need six to ten positiveretrieves is way better than 50
chaotic retrieves.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Exactly I mean, I promise so a two hunt, just
still, season can roll in rightafter does it maybe better for a
newer dog is 100 way way lessstressful I almost wouldn't risk
it.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, ways I love teal hunts and the Ways I
love teal hunts and the deal isfor whatever reason teal hunts,
you usually have three or fourpeople max.
You know, a lot of times weduck hunt.
We got a lot more people thanthat Dove hunting.
We got, I mean, like we huntedFreddy's, what is her?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
25, 30 of us there every year, exactly, and it's
all the way around.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Teal you shoot it out of midair.
A dog doesn't look up.
It's a young dog.
You shoot a bird.
It falls out there in the cover.
He didn't see anything.
A teal boom, boom, boom, boom.
You shoot it splash.
It gives him something to lookout and draw his focus to.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Especially a young dog.
That's all we're talking abouthere.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
We're not talking about your five-year baby dogs,
man.
That's the ones we're alwaysworking on.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
You know, that's the ones we're always trying to get
off to a great career because 12years of hunting man, you want
it to be start off right so youcan enjoy it for 10, 12 years
exactly, and that sort of thinga lot so many people want.
Listen, I get it.
You get your dog, you got abrand new puppy.
You've been training and stuff.
You can't wait to hunt.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Listen, wait to hunt, I mean that's just all there is
so important, I mean there's somany people hunt a seven month
old dog.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know that dog ain't ready for it.
Right, I mean that dog is notready for it.
You want a general rule for meand I'm sure chris will say
pretty much the same thing.
I want that dog through forcefetch, I want it through
e-collar conditioning.
I want pretty much.
I want that dog to be superduper solid with all kinds of
gunfire and being able todeliver the hand without any

(13:19):
issues, a direct recall, rightback to me and sitting down.
I'm not saying this dog has tohandle, but I won't ever hunt a
dog that cannot handle, just forthe pure fact that I want to be
able not put them on a bird.
But those dogs tend to comeright back to you and be better.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
But that first experience for a super-duper
young dog can be so bad ifyou're if you're not careful
like just give a couple exampleshere where, like you take a new
dog, you put them out in thefield in some chaos.
It doesn't go good.
Like what kind of things willthat dog pick up and get stuck
with?
You know well, I mean, I'veseen over.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I've had a guy call me one time, said man, I've been
doing this and this with my dogand stuff, and they started
shooting my dog ran, took himtwo or three hours to find that
dog.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
No, I'm not running.
You're talking about running Goto the truck.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Go to the truck.
He died under the truck becauseof the gunfire.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
That dog is literally pretty much going to be ruined
for the rest of his life.
Yeah, a real good chance of it.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So what would you do to even get that dog back?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
The only way to get it back is start doing bird boy
throw them out and they throw in.
And they hey, hey, hey, hey,and they throw in.
Next thing you know you'readding gunfire.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
It's so much work and nothing's.
There's no foolproof way.
But man there's so much work,just do it right the first time
Would you say it's harder to fixa problem like that to just
prevent it.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
100%, 100%, for sure, for sure it's probably more
expensive to go back and fixsomething like that.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's no different than you taking one of your
boats and wrapping it around atree.
Are you going to send him a?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
new boat.
Are you going to try to fixthat thing Right, I mean?

Speaker 4 (14:52):
you're 100% right, it's always going to pull to the
left a little bit right, right.
I got a controversy.
First one is something that Iseen last year is we posted a
video me riding out when itsnowed, the big cold front, and
I had my dog and she didn't havea vest on and she just I never,
I literally never hunted with avest, hardly ever at all,

(15:12):
because she just she don't likeit, she just she'll go and
whatever.
You know, I'll watch her andall that.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
So what do you guys?
Do you guys believe a vest anda timber.
It's either gotten ripped offby getting hung up or I've had
to go swimming to get my dangdog.
So I quit putting a vest on adog, probably 15, 18, probably
even 20 years ago just becauseof that.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
So you agree that it's not a necessity, it's not a
?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
necessity Not in the temperatures that we hunt.
Now, if we hunted open widemarsh stuff and it was, I don't
know, in areas where they don'tget above 20.
I mean we're in Arkansas, weain't got to worry about that.
We get some super-duper colddays.
We always got heaters, becauseI mean we're Arkansas, if it
gets below 20 degrees we'regoing to have to have a heater.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Someone's got to have it.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
No, we're going to have heaters, so but uh, most,
most, uh, I lost my train ofthought but no, as far as here
in the state of arkansas, Idon't think we have to have now.
If we, if I hunted a rice fieldor something and it was real
cold, maybe I might put one.
But as far as actually in thetimber, somewhere, where, where
they can get hung up and thatsort of thing.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I'll tell you where I think the best comes in.
A really good place to play ispeople that hunt in dry field
corn fields.
Exactly Now it's protectingtheir bellies, it's protecting
their chest.
It's protecting that has awhole other application.
But now the way we hunt, man,my place is buck brush, tupelo

(16:47):
button, willows, willows, I mean.
Horrible condition.
If a duck gets out of the hole,that dude's.
I mean you gotta have a dog getin there and grind it out.
Yeah, I am petrified if a doghas a collar and or a vest on
once they leave my sight and goout in there because I don't
know what's happening and it'sall swimming, so deals, they get
out there and get hung up.
I don't know what man.
We could have a bad story, youknow what I mean so I don't hunt

(17:07):
with a vest either at all.
Now I'm not saying there's notgreat applications for it in the
swimming world yeah but I thinkthere's better applications for
it in dry stock frozeconditions I think there is a
place for it but it's not not.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, but I feel like I feel like everybody has like
this, this, this, this, thismindset now would everybody run
vests.
I feel like everybody has thismindset now, with everybody
running vests.
They feel like a dog has tohave it now.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think it's because they see it in the pictures.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I like to see it in the pictures I got beat up big
time because I pictured I hadteat last year in the hole and I
videoed her and there's ice onher and she's just sitting there
looking out and she's like this, but people don't understand
that dog is jacked up too likenobody's business.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, I know that dog's pumped.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And she's already picked up 40-something ducks.
She's got ice hanging all overand people were just beating me
up.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, I'm like, when they stop shivering, what are
you supposed to worry?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, I mean all I had was you know, you're an
idiot.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, you know you're an idiot.
Yeah, well, here's the deal.
Here's what we have blinds likethat all the time too.
And here's the deal.
We read the dog and we see thedog's getting cold.
They come in, sit on the barstool.
We turn on those heaters onthem.
We warm them up they give themthat's.
That's what I was gonna finishwith five or ten minutes and put
them right back out there andwe can go another 20 ducks, you
know we never in thoseconditions.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
We always have heaters.
She had her own heater, shewould just she was just that, it
was so cold it was freezingthat, that fast on her, so she
gets up there.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's frozen, oh yeah, no and you can't stop it.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
She'd already made like three or four retrieves and
she's just jacked up ready togo again.
But the whole time you see thisbig roll of smoke behind her
and it's just steam coming offbecause she's shaking off on the
, the, the heater and that sortof thing.
But it is, people beat you upon it.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, it's funny.
So next thing I guess I wantedto ask about we were talking
about it a little bit before isthis Cash River stuff that's
going on.
Yeah, you know, like, what's upwith that.
Y'all explain it better than Ican, but for people that know,
oh, you're talking about a pairof grubs.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean I did a little bit.
Chris said man, come over anddo a little video on this thing
right here.
So I went up there, which I'dheard about it and I'd kind of
seen it driving by on the airstand.
Yeah, look at it, it's floodedlike that.
Well, I've seen a lot of waterin a lot of fields.
It looked like one big ricefield.
Well, anyway, until I went andactually looked at it, I mean it

(19:27):
is absolutely crazy how muchjunk has floated from almost
Missouri all the way down tothis little tight spot at Grubbs
, arkansas.
I'm talking about big trees andthen tons of trash and whatever
it's piling up.
And it's just made this huge,just crazy dam that has blocked
the river off and it's causingall the water to back out.

(19:51):
Correct me if I'm wrong, butit's backing out on thousands
and thousands of acres and it'spushing water, probably eight or
ten miles upstream from thisdam, probably eight or ten miles
upstream from this dam.
It's pushing that water out andaway in places that it would
never, ever go to keep goingsouth.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
How come they won't fix it?
How come they won't fix it?
I mean, I don't know, is it amoney?

Speaker 2 (20:16):
situation.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
It's absolutely a money thing, but I mean we're
talking to get a correct fix.
We're talking $20, $30 milliondeal.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
how come they don't go to arkansas game fish?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
well, they have they have everybody's involved,
everybody's involved I mean, I'mtelling you, everybody's
involved in this thing,everybody's trying to get
something done.
But but understand, cash rivercomes from missouri all the way
to clarendon and we're we take ariver.
We think of some great big vastbody of water that you can
throw a rock across cash riverright there where it is.
I mean, it's not that wide, I'mgonna guess what 50 yards
something like that oh yeah,it's wide, it's placed yeah, and

(20:47):
and the deal is is that allthis debris everybody has.
Okay, so give you a littleoverview.
Everybody has had to buildtheir levees up to compete with
their neighbor.
It's kind of the who's got thelowest levees, the one that
loses, right?
So everybody's competingagainst each other.
What we're doing is we'reclearing levees, we're putting
more dirt, we're putting moredirt.
Then, when the water comes up,all these fresh levees, all this
dirt and stuff comes down theriver.

(21:08):
What's happened is we've got aseven-tenths of a mile log jam,
seven-tenths of a mile of justsolid debris that the river has
produced for us.
And that's stuff where peoplecleared levees up there.
That's places where justnatural stuff fell in the water.
We got freezers, we gotrefrigerators.
I mean it's awful, it's justthe worst trash dump looking
thing you've ever seen.

(21:28):
Seven-tenths of a mile of it.
Well, now that water comes downand hits all that and it
actually filters the water, andwhen it filters the water, all
the sand and debris drops.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
That makes sense.
Yeah, and it piles up.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, so like when Freddie as video, the water's 25
foot deep there historicallySupposed to be Historically and
we're in there and I take awalking stick and I stick in the
water and it's three to fourfoot and this was at a full,
full flood Right.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
This is when the water is actually a foot above
the banks already.
It's already running around.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Everything's underwater.
You said tens of thousandsacres of farm, of farm ground.
You said 10, 15 miles.
It's 25 miles north of us whereit's affecting all these farms.
Everybody's in a mad rushtrying to fix all this stuff and
everybody's competing withtheir neighbor.
It's just gonna get worse andworse and worse.
The time goes on.
We've got to go in there.
But the finish what?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
chris was fixing to say was uh, the the, the river's
one foot above the bank, soeverything's flooded, yep, yep.
And we're in the middle of theriver, right there at the head
of that log dam, and he takes afive-foot pole and sticks it
down, and where it's supposed tobe 25-foot deep, it's only

(22:40):
about three-and-a-half tofour-foot deep.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So to fix it, we'll just have to remove all the logs
, all the junk, and pile up anddredge it.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's going to have to be a full-blown dredging.
Yeah, you're going to dredge it.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
And look, we're talking seven-tenths of a mile.
This isn't an easy fix.
There's not really good accessto it.
Everything's still floodedtoday.
I mean, there's houses stillflooded, there's farms still
flooded, there's no telling howmany tens of thousands of acres
that didn't get planted thisyear in that whole Cache River
bottom because of this.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Now you don't think so you're telling me, because
this river is piling up with allthis debris, people's losing
land, they can't farm.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
There's farms that have been underwater now for 10,
15 years.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Listen, you could go out there and plant something
right now.
It's dry August, it's dry rightnow, but there's still a good
trickle going down the CacheRiver.
You could go and plant thosefarms right now and I promise
you, if we get a three-inch rain, even as dry as everything is,
every bit of that's going to beunderwater.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
That's a fact, just a three-inch rain, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Insurances aren't going to cover that anymore.
They've already gone throughall that.
So farmers are losing thousandsof acres that they would
normally farm.
So not only is it farmers, butthere's tons of local businesses
around there that thrive off ofthese farmers the agri-pilots.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Everybody crop dusters, equipment salesmen,
seed salesmen, dog trainers itall trickles down to all of us.
There's no telling what itcosts state or Arkansas there's
millions of dollars of loss ofrevenue so $25 million to fix
this.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
Ain't jacked when it comes to that, no, no.
So why aren't they fixing itthough?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I think there's too many different groups involved.
I think you know you got peoplethat have got the spotted
butterfly and the somethingsnail and the sun ray.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, you got the EPA fighting.
You know I get it.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean because, look, I mean we've beat this drum and
beat this drum.
Now we've got a bid coming outI think it's August 9th and
they're going to try to do itfor the log removals and the
debris removals and they'regoing to do a bid to do that.
But I'm just telling you rightnow that's not a drop in the
bucket compared to the realproblem, which is the silt on
the bottom.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean with the river that every environmental group
in the world is going to havesomething to say about them
trying to remove all that.
So I think it's a way biggerfish than we all really realize
this is going to take.
We may have to get Trumpinvolved in this deal Seriously.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, that's just it.
The same people that wouldbitch and whine about cleaning
that out are the same ones thatsaid, hey, let's let California
burn.
It's the same type of mentality.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
But when you say this with your own eyes, I
understand it doesn't affecteverybody, and everybody it does
me, because where I'm locatedat but I'm telling you, we're
all these guys, and that'sanother big reason because it's
out of everybody's eyesight.
So you know a lot of people areout of sight, out of mind, but
the Cache River is a big dealinstead of Arkansas or Ducca, I
don't care who you are it, itreally is no doubt about it and

(25:34):
I'm just going to add this justbecause Chris probably don't
need to say it, but I willbecause I don't live in the area
.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think a lot of it too is the longer they put it
off, a lot of people are justgoing to say, throw their hands
up and government's hoping thatthey can go in there and buy a
lot of those farms up and justadd them to their big portfolio.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So you think it's like a land grab?
So you think it's like a landgrab?
Yeah, a little bit of a landgrab.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know kind of the same thing that California
government is doing.
It is a bad deal.
You know what I mean.
That's so bad if that's thecase.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
You know, b-skye.
We should send the camera crewout there and get some video of
this?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I definitely look at it.
I got all you get, because ifyou're not around it.
If you're not around it, youdon.
It's not in your front yard,you don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's out of sight, out of mind, it's off the beaten
path, even though it's tens ofthousands of acres of farmland.
It's a small community, youknow, but it's a community
that's a major part of Arkansasand I'm talking about millions
of dollars that they generate tothe Arkansas revenue.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
How's it affecting the duck hunting?
You mentioned something aboutduck hunting, I think.
How do you think it's affectingduck hunting?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
It's going to be interesting to see how it is
this year, because the problemis worse right now than it's
ever been, but I think it'sgoing.
I mean, there's no crops Okay,let's face it.
There's not the rice and thecorn and the beans, because the
food source is not going to bethere.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
So all the crop growers.
They claimed insurance on allthis.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Every bit of it.
You got to see it.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
I mean it's, I'm telling you, so it's costing the
insurance companies a bunch ofmoney too.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
There's no telling.
Well, it's got to.
There's no telling.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I mean it's got to.
And then think about not onlythe ducks but, like all, all the
other game, from the rabbits tothe coral, because there's
thousands of acres of of treesand timber that are dying
because of this and and then andI mean deer used to, you know,
run this area, but now they'rethey're blowed completely out of
there, because it floods somuch you know, by the time they

(27:29):
make it back, boom, here comesanother flood.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
It's like we're talking about these trees.
These trees don't grow backovernight I mean these trees
we've lost I don't know how manymillions of dollars worth of
timber on our place.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
You're talking about a generation of trees, yeah, all
these.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I got one buddy of mine down there that's right
below me and he said when he wasa kid his dad and his uncle
built a duck blind.
They had a 16-foot extensionladder and they worked head
crawl up and down that ladder.
Every of that blind we waiterson it's silted in that bad
around his dog imagine that, soyou know what it did to the
history.
So they they were in floodedtimber back then.
Now it's just open body water,wow there are no trees.

(28:01):
There are no trees there.
It's all gone, so it's it's.
It's changed the landscape inour area, so we should go out
there and check it out.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I want to see it you should I mean, like I said, to
truly see the scope of you'vegot to go lay your own eyes on
it and say what in the world,and it's not an easy fix.
It's not something that you'regoing to go okay, yeah, we're
going to throw this $25 millionat it and we're going to fix it
and stuff.
It's going to have to besomething that's maintained and

(28:32):
it's going to have to be fixedevery year.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
That's just it, Freddie.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
There's never been any maintenance on this thing
and I don't know about you guysand in all honesty, they they
were supposed to then when theydid the clearing 60s or 70s,
something like that 13 they eventalked about.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
They're gonna come back every year.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Well, they've never done it, they never done it, and
they let it.
They let it silt in worse andworse and worse, there's nothing
I own that doesn't requiremaintenance so what going to
happen if they don't fix thisspot?

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Is the river going to go somewhere else?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
No, I don't think it will.
I think what's going to happenis it's going to keep silting in
.
It's going to keep silting in,and then what's going to happen?
The water's going to keepspreading, so it's just going to
take it.
Now let's just throw in anumber out there and I'm just'll
be 30,000.
And here's another thing thatFreddie said a minute ago all
the farmers it affects.
You know, if we went back inthe 60s and talked about how

(29:17):
many farmers that farm this area, let's just say there was 500
farmers.
Now, because of the way farmingis, now there's only 100
farmers, Right, so it affectsless people.
So there's less people out herebeating the drum, telling the
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Less mouths carry the message.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
There's a lot less farmers out there now, but
there's a lot more need for itnow than there was even back
then.
Because I mean, guys we'refixing to run out of ground here
.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
I mean, if we don't fix this, these grounds are
going to go back to the Indians.
So, Freddie, you're saying thatthese farmers are going to
start selling their land cheapthey could.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well, that's what the government's wanting them to do
I mean you're talking aboutproperty that's valued at
$20,000 an acre.
That government's already saidhey, we'll give you $2,500 an
acre for it, Right?
Because?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
you can't farm it Well no.
Can't do anything with it.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Not until it's fixed.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's what they want to pay.
That's kind of part of the game.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
I mean, I know we want somebody else to pay for it
, since we pay taxes, but whatwould have stopped the people
coming together and trying tofix the problem?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
We had a great meeting last Friday.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Because you know the government can't do nothing,
right.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
We had a great meeting last Friday and there
was a lot of people there.
We had several congressmen,senators and everybody there and
talking about it and they'retrying to get all their facts
together and all their stufftogether to see what they can do
.
The problem is, it's such atime-sensitive thing to me.
I want somebody to go have ameeting and then let's bring
some equipment in the next day.
Well, the government justdoesn't work that way.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
No, they don't, and that takes a lot of time.
You could have $10 billion.
Say here, here's your $25million.
You say here, here's your $25million.
Y'all, go do it.
You can't do that.
You've got to have governmentin there.
No, I'm talking about you'regoing to have to have EPA,
You're going to have to havegovernment.
They're going to have to dotheir little studies and

(31:05):
everything.
Because if you're going inthere and start something like
that on your own son, they'regoing to take everything.
Government's going to step inand say, oh, you've done this,
you've done that, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
That's a crazy deal.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Because of core ground, you know so your biggest
fear is?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
it's not that it may never get taken care of, it's
just the fact that it might notget taken care of fast enough
before it gets out of hand.
It's out of hand.
It's out of hand.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Don't kid yourself, it's out of hand.
We've been saying this for 15years.
I've only owned this place fornine, 10 years now, and
everybody was complaining aboutit when I got there.
But I mean, and what we'resaying actually came true, and
that's the unfortunate part,because we couldn't get anybody
to pay attention.
But now, now that the motor'sblowed up, people got to pay
attention.
I told you you should'vechanged oil.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Well, here we are you know what the aspect of it I
mean it's definitely going to bea task.
It's going to have to be yearafter year.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
It's just terrible that the government knows it's
like that and won't take care ofit.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Especially in a state like Arkansas.
Yeah, especially Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, you, know, how slow they drive.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I mean everybody comes here.
Are we trying to protect that,or what?

Speaker 5 (32:10):
How much money?
How's this even possible?
You know, I know you don't wantto get started on that, but you
would think somebody would havesome kind of pull.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
So I'm just pissed off that I've got to redo my app
.
This is like third time in 10years you know what I mean,
seriously, I mean again, but nowwe got it.
I mean good grief, I mean theyhad it perfectly perfect 10
years ago when I tried andthey're like oh, we're gonna
make it Bull crap.
And now they've done it again.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I know exactly what you mean.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Yeah, but that's you know.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I mean they're making you sign up on a pay app
already.
It tells you something wheretheir thoughts are yeah you got
to pay it or whatever you got topay now.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Well, it's a different app.
It takes you to like adifferent thing to pay.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
now you got to pay to tiger deer.
They want you to sign up forthis.
Pay it, or something.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Oh my God, they can't make enough money, can they no?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean, that's my crap, okay.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Well, I mean, like I said, though, in 10 years
they've changed something threedang times.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
It worked perfectly the first time.
It's a super valid point.
Super valid point because we'renot sure to, and here's the
thing.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I bought a freaking lifetime license so I wouldn't
have to deal with this crap.
And now look at me.
It's worse than ever.
It just gets worse.
I paid my $1,000.
I just wanted to mail my crapto me so I ain't got to worry
about your asses.
I want my tags that I write myname on.
I don't want to sit there andsign nothing.
I want to go to a check station.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think they ought to bring check stations back.
I agree 100%.
It used to be kind of fun, itwas.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
It was a cool community thing.
I mean seriously, it was anevent.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I mean people.
They didn't even kill nothing,they'd go out there just to
check it out.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
See what somebody killed.
It was good for the checkstations, too, because they got
business.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
If you're there you're going to get a biscuit.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
You're going to get.
You're gonna get.
You know, that's all aboutarkansas now arkansas game fish.
I mean seriously.
Some of the best memories thatI have as a kid are at check
stations.
I remember, you know, sittingthere man, look at that coming
in, look at that man.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
We listen I gotta get off my tree stand because I
want to be down there and seekill my damn buck.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, he's walking.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I don't know, it's the coolest thing ever rolling
up.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
You know I remember taking a beast guy when he was a
kid.
He's getting a biscuit and wekilled deer.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
So we get a biscuit tiger deer, there you go.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
But it's a lot more difficult now.
Now you got to have service.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Everybody's rushing around.
You don't know your stinkingpasswords.
It's a freaking nightmare youcan't log in.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
You're going through the two-step authentication
process with one bar of likeservice.
I got all these numberstattooed on me now.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
So what does that mean?
That's my password for my.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
And I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
This is my license number.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
This is this.
This is this.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Outlawing has never been more appetizing than it is
now Just trying to get yourstuff tagged.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
I promise you I guarantee you I would have been
an outlaw.
I'd rather be an outlaw thantag my freaking deer.
It's too much trouble, it won'twork.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I have like two passwords I use for just about
everything.
Oh, yeah, and neither one ofthem works, mark.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Well, I mean back in the day, no matter what if you
shot something, usually if it'sin the morning, no matter what.
On the way home you went by acheck station some official
check station.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
You know somewhere a check?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
station.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
A gas station.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Exactly, it was so simple.
It was so simple, it was sosimple and it was done.
You know, leave your tag onyour deer until you get it
cleaned.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
I mean it was nice, we were going somewhere, B Scott
, and I got my mom gets mylicense.
She does all that for me, right?
So I don't have to deal with it.
But I don't think your oldlady's at.
But you were losing your shit.
We were talking on the phone.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I was over it, dude.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
His app wouldn't work .
I was over it, he was losinghis shit and I'm like calm down,
Calm down.
Your old lady will do this oneday.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Just calm down.
Two things I just cannot stand.
One thing I'm not verytechnology savvy.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
I'm not very patient for it.
You're not patient like me.
I'm not patient for it, you'renot patient.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Like me, I'm not patient either, and it's just I
start going off the rails, man,when I can't get locked in.
I'm not patient man, my iPhone.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
If something don't work, I'm like you know you got
a state hunt too.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
You know, they never let you buy on the app for the
first time when you get in astate or whatever.
So you got to go in a store andAll right, well, here, just
give me the computer, I can doit.
They just won't let me in theapp.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I know, yeah, let me just do it, but you know, anyway
, back to dogs, back to the CashRiver.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Or the Cash River.
Yeah, that's really bad.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
I mean I like the dogs and everything, but I feel
like that's a serious problem.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well, no, it is.
It's pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I think dogs are important, Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
But you know Well the main thing, that river thing is
terrible it is and, like Chrisis saying, it's going to be an
ongoing problem.
So it's going to take moneyevery single year and they're
going to want to study this andwant to study that before they
come up with some final thoughtsand stuff.
But something has to be donenow, yeah.

(36:56):
Because I mean that's, it'saffecting so many lives that
seven-tenths, three-quarters ofa mile is going to be a mile in
another year.
That's all there is to it, andthere's going to be another foot
of sediment on top of thatstuff.
So for I mean you're looking atadding another $4 or $5 million
.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, I understand this right here, that, on this,
like I talked about this thinggoing from missouri all the way
to clarendon, that every countynine different counties that
that own have part of cash river.
Each one of those counties, uh,has their own drainage district
, or just about every county hastheir own drainage district
down through there.
Okay, so what's happened is nowimagine owning a funnel.
Okay, let's say we all on afunnel together, freddie's going

(37:31):
on the top, and so on, so on,all the way down to me I'm the
bottom.
Well, I don't know about y'allin funnels, but I've never had a
problem with the top no, allright so I'm at the bottom of
the funnel.
So, guess, we're all over stops,okay, so everything's on me.
Well, so the problem is allthese different drainage
districts.
Well, they're all wearing adifferent color shirt.
Okay, everybody's on adifferent team.
So the top, all they're worriedabout is them.

(37:52):
The next day down, all they'reworried about is them.
So we're all competing againsteach other, like I was talking
about the higher level, higherlevel.
So what ends up happening isthe landowners.
At the bottom of the funnel,because it's a smaller area,
there's very few landowners.
There's literally like 12landowners in this entire county
right here that touch the river.
So we can't afford to fix thatrest of the funnel.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
I got you, I got you the funnel, the funnel thing's
good, yeah, so so the deal is so.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
So what I what I'm saying is and this is what we
really talked about at themeeting the other day instead of
us all wearing differentcolored shirts and not being on
the same team, let's all put thesame color.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Let's all put the same color and here's the deal
common sense is hard to findit's.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's very uncommon.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
I mean it's very hard .

Speaker 3 (38:36):
But the deal is if we did think about the tax dollar.
So right now some of these guysare paying five dollars an acre
.
Uh, getting taxed up here forthe top of the funnel and the
top of the funnel doesn't needworked on, but what we need, we
need.
So let's just say, if I gaveyou a deal, and say, hey, we're
gonna do three dollars an acre,but we're gonna do it from top
to bottom and now we can takecare of the bottom.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
So there's some ways that Ithink that we've got on our mind

(38:58):
to do it.
But man trying to go to alandowner, a farmer that's
already struggling, or a farmerthat's already underwater, and
like the guys at the bottom,like I'm not paying to that
thing because all them guys aregoing to do is clean their tops
off down there and send thewater down here twice as fast.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So there's a lot of different theories, and that's
what happens.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, there's a lot of different theories on this,
of hey, we got to figure out, sowe got to have a committee, we
got to have some studies done,we got to have everybody on the
same page.
And man, getting farmers in ahundred and whatever mile deal
nine counties deep, get on thesame page is pretty difficult.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It is and I want to add to this whole thing is
Grubbs is right where the Corpsof Engineers stopped their
dredging in the straight liningof the Cache River.
So for 50, 60, about 72 or 73miles of the Cache River is one

(39:50):
straight lane that all of asudden boom stops right there
where the first big curves andstuff start where they quit.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Which makes sense.
Now it just filters through thewoods.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
So where the woods actually start, the first woods,
where the actual I forget whatyou would call it, but where the
actual unimproved flow of theriver and of course everything's
going to pile up right thereand understand that directly

(40:28):
below this seven-tenths of amile of solid debris.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
The river is bone dry .
You could probably drive afour-liter across it today,
Literally.
So at the bottom of the dam isbone dry and nobody's having any
trouble with farm ground orrelifts.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, you go right below the dam.
Right now it's dry.
No water's getting throughthere, no, nothing it's just
backing all of it up.
It's like a big lake.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
It's crazy.
People are okay with this.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
So, naturally.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
How is?

Speaker 5 (40:54):
this benefiting somebody.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
It's not benefiting anybody.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
It's benefiting somebody who's not getting fixed
.
Unless you were buying landLike who?
Unless you were trying to buysome cheap land.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem with that.
Okay, like there's a farm upthere for sale by me right now.
Another day they called me upand they said hey, we know
you've been looking at thisground.
We'd like to offer it to you.
I said, hey, look here.
Okay, so you drive onto thisproperty today, drive on this
property.
You got to get across a ricketybridge to get to it.

(41:26):
That's really needs to beremoved, because all the debris
backed up against it has comedown.
It's caused havoc on thisbridge, so you can't get across
this bridge.
There's only two landowners onthis other side, all right, so
this bridge is unsafe to drivegrain trucks, excavators,
combines, trailer trucks,anything across big tractors.
But it's the only way you canget to this ground, okay, then,
when you get there, the entirefarm's underwater because this
water won't leave.
Okay, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
And there's like 20,000 sandbags up and down the
river that they put on theretrying to save, not this farm
but trying to save the town ofGrubbs, not enough, all right,
but listen to this, listen tothis, listen to this.
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
This is crazy.
So I give them a legitimateoffer on this ground, okay.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Which was low.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
No, it wasn't that low.
I mean, I thought it was, I wasscared they were going to take
it.
Okay, and they think I'm crazy,because duck hunting ground is
worth up here, farm groundsworth down here.
So what happens?
The duck hunters that arecoming in from out of state,
they pull up there and they'relike, hey man, all I see is
water.
They see a duck blind.
They know they've killed someducks right here.
I'm going to give $10,000 anacre for that, I'm going to give

(42:26):
$20,000 an acre for that,because they killed ducks right
there.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
So the duck hunters, believe it or not, it is bad.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I can make sense farm and ground may be worth six
thousand dollars an acre, butduck underground in our areas
well, we always pay more forrecreational value than that's
right duck hunters are crazy.
I mean, I'm the craziest one ofall of us, but I'm gonna tell
you they're crazy.
Yeah, they're crazy I got youand it ain't like they don't
show up with some money.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
I know they do.
They do that's funny man,that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And there's always a duck hunter that's got more
money than you.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yes, sir, yeah, and the deal is our area is we're
blessed with a lot of influx outof Georgia and Alabama that
come to our area.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
With Duckett, bring a ton of money to our state.
A ton, that's what blows mymind.
You know, about all this stuff,it's like there's not, like
there's not no money for this.
You know, in arkansas, whatarkansas brings in I just don't
understand why it's not fixed.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, I'm with you, I've been I've been scratching
my head now for 10 years.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
There has to be a reason why it's not well, I mean
, it's been an ongoing problem,problem six since the 60s.
So the guys, so you would youwould have think they would have
already all these boards andstuff.
They would have already hadmoney allocated every single
year to address this issue.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Somebody with a lot of power didn't want to do it.
Somebody hasn't fixed this fora reason.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Somebody's been brushing it off.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Obviously, they know it's a problem.
We just got to figure out whohas benefits.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I'm with you and I can't believe that somebody
that's not affected had to haveenough political pull to have
this thing fixed in the back.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Yeah, because there is some serious money up and
down.
Is it backing water up to someprivate duck clubs or something?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
No, it ain't doing nothing like that.
If anything, it's.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
You mean below.
Are we protecting private duckhuts below 100%?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Game and fish included.
Okay, cash and fish, all right,here we go, here we go Ding
ding, ding we have a winner,okay, so what is it protecting?

Speaker 5 (44:33):
What is it doing?

Speaker 3 (44:35):
So cash wildlife refuge is right below us and so
you may can see some of thatthere.
They may be protectingthemselves.
And then there is a lot ofground below us that they're
saying, hey, let them filter allthis out, let them deal with
all that.
We don't want all that stuffdown here on us.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
So that could be very well.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
the problem it's not what you see, it's what you
don't see.
Who is down there below there.
That could cause problems.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I mean you hate to sit there and say it, but I mean
no, it's just true.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
It is what it is.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Somebody knows it's jammed up, somebody knows that
Nobody doesn't know, andsomebody's saying oh, thank God
it's jammed up, it saved me abunch of money.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Let's see if we can just stretch this out another 10
years, that's what you got tofigure out is who is it
benefiting?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's somebody, because obviously it would be
fixed by now.
Well, if it ain't their problem, then it's somebody else's.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
It's that same funnel .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it'sdefinitely affecting somebody.
It's that same funnel With lotsof money.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
But more money than tens of thousands of acres of
farmland.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
They don't give a shit about that.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I don't care, man, how can one guy, if it's one guy
, if it was you and you weredown there and said hey guys,
don't worry about that.
Man, it would take somethingcrazy to do.
I mean, this is totaldevastation.
Yeah, but people that I'd say wealmost lost a town of 400
people I know it's not a bigtown, but 400 people that have

(46:04):
lived there their entire lives.
We almost lost that it wasn'tfor the mayor and the county
judge.
They went in there and cut ahighway.
They called sir up and said hey, here's what we're up against.
We believe we cut the highwayright here.
It's going to save the town ofgrubs.
We let us do it.
And sir said do it.
I mean, look at what she let it.
And they and they say thetankers.
But they also destroyed tens ofthousands of acres over here
because they allowed all thiswater to run around the town of
Grubbs Because they allowed itto go around it.
That was a pretty tough decisionon everybody's part.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
But then you've got to think why are we put in
position to make decisions thatare just bad, or bad Exactly?
How about we do something thatcan make it a good instead?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
of just a bad or a worse.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
And then you've got to think if they were trying to
not fix it, is we're trying tonot fix it.
Is the good for somebody elseover here outweigh the bad for
what's going on over here?
I'd like to find out.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
There's a lot up for discussion here.
There's definitely somethingthat's protecting somebody If
it's been going on for this long.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I'd hate to think that anybody had that kind of
pull.
Oh gosh, somebody does,somebody does, somebody has that
kind of pull there's alwayssomebody who has that kind of
pool.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
There's always somebody that has that kind of
pool, absolutely Definitely.
People are dragging their feet.
Somebody has that kind of pool.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Well, now it's so bad , they got the easy excuse it's
going to cost $25,000, $35,000,$45,000, $50,000, $50 million.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And that's why they didn't do the upkeep like they
were supposed to.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Well, it's just heat on some people right now.
I don't know who they are orwhat they are, but there's some
heat on them now.
There's got to be.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Somebody somewhere is talking about it right now.
This is too bad.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I mean everybody is.
I mean this is a big topic.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
I think we should go down there tomorrow and look at
it.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I'd love if y'all come down there and check us out
.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
I think we should keep this going.
Obviously it we might getassassinated in the process of
doing this.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Whoever that guy is is going to get Clinton done.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
We're going to figure out how much power they have.
Hillary Clinton probably ownssomething.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
We're going to get suicided.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Where all that water's backed up, where they
got the bodies buried.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Obviously it's a reason.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I promise you, when you look at this, you're going
like.
I know for a fact that there'ssome bodies down there.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I promise you, there's bodies in there.
Somebody's allowing this tohappen or not, pushing it
forward.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Or not taking care of it, just pushing it on.
It ain't affecting that manypeople.
It ain't affecting that manypeople.
It ain't affecting that manypeople, until it's one of those
points where it's like guys,what are we doing here?
I mean, it's just such a waste.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
It's just politics and money.
I mean it's affecting somebody,it's affecting a lot of people.
Well, it's affecting a lot ofpeople in a negative way, but
that one person is affecting ina positive way is dictating the
results.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
That'd be amazing to me the results.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
That'd be amazing to me.
It might just be four or fivepeople.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
But they have pools somewhere or they're making
money off of something.
It's something that's driven bymoney or power or something,
because there's no way it'spossible that they can ignore
that unless it's money driven.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
There's always money behind every problem.
Oh, there's no doubt about that, and I mean but, like Chris is
saying, there's a lot behindevery problem, oh there's no
doubt about that and I mean that.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But but like chris saying, there's a lot of heat
going in, there's a lot of heatfrom people of influence yeah
you know, that are definitelyyou know, say, hey, we need to
do something with this and this,and that it's so terrible, but
I mean, it's still.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
It's still a kind of a trickle down thing it's, it's
amazing of these small thingslike this impacts families and
homes.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Oh man, in a physical way, you know, not just a.
You know my impact, you hearthere, but I'm talking about
like your house, your land, yourway of life.
Hey my buddy across the riverfrom him my buddy across the
river.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
He lost him and his dad's house.
Both he lost both.
He lost them and there's stillwater in them today, and that
flood was over 100 days ago.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Wow that's crazy, it's bad.
I'm excited to go down theretomorrow that'd be fun.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Are we building?

Speaker 5 (49:44):
tomorrow going down there.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I say we go down there.
I say we go down there, let'sbuild boats while we go down
there yeah, have you got a boatto get in there?

Speaker 5 (49:51):
I don't know.
Yeah, we got.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
We're gonna ask somebody we'll borrow one.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Well, bring that fancy one out front you had out
there.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
We could we absolutely could.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
What was that?
I saw it out there.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
That's a Mach 1 Sika edition On a Marsh Runner Up to
Thay Timber.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
That sucker looked pretty bad.
That was two.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
It looked like it might be A little bit fast.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It is fast, it's quick.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
It's real quick.
It's pretty young.
It's pretty young guys.
It's for the younger guys.
Freddie, it's quick, I heardyou there.
It's for the younger guys.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Hey, I'm fine with it .
A lot of people always sayFreddie man, you used to do this
and this.
Why don't you do this?
Because I got sick and tired ofall them criny-ass little whiny
babies.
Every time I thumped theirheads oh, freddie did this,
freddie did that.
Well, I got sick of it.

(50:39):
So I said you know, I'm justgoing to get off the line, I'm
going to get over it.
I mean, that's it.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Well, you do get older.
Everything slows down.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah Well, I ain't slowed down I know, I don't know
.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
It's just like you should get tired of it.
Oh, I did it's just like a cellphone.
You don't know how to operateit, you just throw it away or
whatever.
You know, it's like you knowenough of this, enough of this.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, it's kind of my Arkansas gaming fish license.
Yeah, yeah, I want to throw itaway too.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
That app is terrible.
There's Dog Jam and that's theArkansas Game Fish app.
Yeah, it's terrible.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
It makes life so much easier.
I got one last question for youguys.
So what should guys do ifthey're going to be dog hunting
their dogs from a boat?
So we're talking about boatsand stuff.
What's the number one thingthey should know?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Well, I mean, most boats are pretty doggone slick,
so make sure your dog's got goodfooting to launch on and off,
make sure it's got a good placeto get you know, just go buy a
cheap piece of carpet orsomething like that you know.
A doormat from Walmart is like$3.
Cut it to fit, you know howeveryou want.
Wherever you're going to putyour dog Ladder most I mean what
I love about the Havocs you canget them right on the back.

(51:53):
Boom, put your hand on the backof the head.
They get up there real easy.
No problems there.
But uh, the main thing isacclimate that dog to that boat
before you ever.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
That's the thing you're good at what you practice
no matter what, it is right youknow, however you do it and
that dog needs nowhere to comein and go out of the boat.
He needs to be comfortable withthat.
He sure doesn't need to do thison opening day in the dark.
He needs to be out there thisafternoon, this weekend,
whatever I mean guy needs to goout and run his boat.
Some, make sure it's in goodshape.
Take your dog, take your bumper, flip it out there, show him

(52:24):
the exit and entryway, show himwhere he can jump out of, show
him where he can't go.
You know I'm a big guy oncontrol on a dog in a boat.
The last thing I want to do,all these cool pictures of these
dogs flying down the deal withthe dog up there like a hood
ornament.
That scares the bejesus out ofme.
All right, we hit one stump,one log one.
Anything he goes out of theboat, you know he blends up out
the back.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I can't tell you how many dogs I've seen jump out of
a moving boat because of a woodduck or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I make that dog sit directly beside me and practice
all this when you go out.
If you go out to your locallake, down the road or your farm
pond or whatever, get that dogout there, man, that dog needs
to be in his position.
You go riding around Becausethat dog doesn't need to.
His first boat ride doesn'tneed to be opening morning.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
That makes sense.
We need to get this Practicelike a boy.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
This ain't rocket science.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Just introduce him to it and practice with it, and
it's so easy to do.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Just there and just put it on the side of the pond
and and and just teach them youknow how to jump in, where to
come in, where to come out.
It's no different than gettingthe dog through decoys, right.
I mean, the boat has got to be.
If you have a boat, you havegot to have.
If you got a boat blind onthere, hey, same thing.
Show him where his spot is,show him how to work it in and
out.
Get that dog.
I can make that with a bumper.
Don't try all this on openingday.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
It's not going to go.
Well, it don't.
It's not going to go well, andthe reason we know this is
because we've done it before.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I experiencedit.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I've got all these T-shirts, I promise you you know
man, I tell you just practice,practice, practice, practice.
It just doesn't take a longtime.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Dogs.
You do it three or four times.
They got it.
They're down when they'recoming back to the boat and
stuff that they don't get aroundthe motor and kind of that sort
of thing.
Because I've seen some cutshappen on some props and stuff,
especially mud rigs, and they'vebeen running that sandy stuff.
Y'all know how sharp themfreaking blades are, they are,
oh yeah, jagging.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
I've seen some stitches on some dogs steak
knife yeah, I mean seriously you.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
We've all cut our hands on us and a dog dog
jumping on one of them with themotor turned.
Son, you're looking, you'regonna.
I've seen 18, 20 stitches onthe side of dog because of it.
So I believe you got to becareful, those kind of things.
And then, uh, anytime a dog'slaunching, you got to watch for
whatever's under the water amento that, that sort of thing but
the main, main thing I've alwaysseen with boat is footing dogs.

(54:40):
When they're launching They'vegot to have good footing.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah.
They don't jump out of the way.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, we've all seen them slip and do the belly flop.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Kind of go head over heels, that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
And then just teach them how to come back in.
A lot of people you know thattrick putting your hand on the
back of their head.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
They learn after about three times yeah, feet up
there, they're super smart, yeah, you put the handle back ahead,
they push against you and theylift right they get a figure out
quick, just and just keepcontrol of them in a boat, I
mean you got enough going on,you got enough going on.
You need that dog sitting therewhere he's supposed to be.
He's out of the way, he's safe,he can't get knocked out of the
boat and that way gives youwhere you can focus on where
you're going and what you'redoing.

(55:16):
Especially as fast as boats aretoday, you need to be all
focused on what you need to befocused on right.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Well, Havoc don't know nothing about no fast boats
.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
But these dogs, it just kills me.
You know, back in the day rightwe had a $200 shotgun.
We had a $5, $10 blind bag.
These shotguns now two grandgun cases.
It's nothing uncommon, I thinkthey start now at $100, right,
and go up to 500 or so.
One in the store the other day,550.
Uh, you know our blind bagssame way.
I mean.
Yeah, I mean, you know we don'twant that dog prying around on

(55:45):
top all that.
Sit your tail down beside me,don't move a muscle, don't bug
anybody keep a standard yeah,that's it.
Just just make that dog mine.
It'll make your hunt a wholelot better oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Well, guys, I think that wraps it up.
Freddie, chris, thank you guysfor coming and I'm excited
tomorrow to get uh, get someeyes out there and see what
we're really dealing with,because bring the drone, because
you're gonna need it.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Oh yeah, we got two drones.
Great idea, um, but yeah, uh,call one of the camera guys,
yeah no, we're definitely gonnaget on this suit up.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Let's see what this is all about.
I can't imagine, but we'regonna check it out.
Guys, make sure you leave alike, subscribe, hit the bell
for notifications, check out ourgear shop.
Tons of new stuff, new hats.
Don't miss it.
Anyways, we'll catch you guyson the next one.

All Episodes

CACHE RIVER CONUNDRUM | EP073 | Off The Clock with B Scott

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}CACHE RIVER CONUNDRUM | EP073 | Off The Clock with B Scott