December 12, 2024 • 34 mins
Ever wondered how a former NFL quarterback finds solace and excitement after leaving the high-stakes world of professional sports? Meet Devlin "Duck" Hodges, who traded the football field for the wide-open landscapes of duck hunting and real estate. In our latest episode, Hodges opens up about balancing a jam-packed schedule filled with hunting, brand partnerships, and coaching high school football. From his unforgettable hunts in the Arkansas timber to thrilling plans with personalities like Peyton Manning, Duck shares how he brings top-tier influencers into the hunting scene and what it means for him to be part of a close-knit community.
Discover how Hodges transitioned from the NFL, playing for teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers and Los Angeles Rams, to pursuing his passion for outdoor adventures and selling duck hunting properties. We dive into his unique perspective on life after the NFL, where fulfillment comes from blending work with passion. Our episode also sheds light on innovative performance boat designs that revolutionize the hunting industry, while Hodges discusses how coaching high school football keeps him connected to the camaraderie he cherished in professional sports.
Join us as we explore a pioneering hunting gear brand that has captured the hearts of duck hunters across the Southeast. Learn about their remarkable commitment to quality, with standout products like leak-resistant waders and exceptional customer service, including their quick repair turnaround and loaner program. We delve into the cultural impact of family traditions on hunting preferences, the challenges and rewards of building successful brands, and the vibrant heart of Stuttgart, Arkansas, a dream destination for waterfowl enthusiasts. Whether you're a seasoned hunter or simply curious about this fascinating lifestyle, there's something captivating for everyone in this episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
it's five o'clock and you're off the clock with me,
scott.
Now, today we're excited tohave as our guest duck Hodges.
All right, this guy is an avidduck hunter.
Okay, nfl quarterback, he sellsfarms, properties, all
everywhere.
He also is a competition caller, and a damn good one.
All right, guys.
So we're going to get intowaterfowl season as of now,
(00:21):
because it is the second splitright now.
It is back open.
All right, we're going to talkabout how we became Duck Hodges.
So before we get into it, makesure you leave a like.
Hit the bell for notifications,let's get into it.
So, devlin man, thanks forcoming.
Dude, I know you're busy rightnow.
I see you running around.
(00:42):
Obviously you're killing ducks.
It's duck season.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's a busy time You're whacking them.
Huh, it's been a good firstsplit, so what?
Duck season open today again.
Second split I didn't even huntto come do this.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But that's okay, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's all right, bad weather.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We didn't miss much today.
Well, hey, we absolutely didnot kill him today?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
hey, that's alright.
Hey, tomorrow, tomorrow's theday sunshine north wind.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I knew it was a bad day for B-Sky because I didn't
get no pictures.
I just went to work.
Tim, I'll send you somepictures?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
alright, you send me some pictures.
They're going to make youjealous.
They're going to make youjealous.
I don't know, we'll see.
They had a decent.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So tell me a little bit about what you got planned
this hunting season.
I know you got a pretty packedschedule.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, man, I do.
I got some exciting stuff.
I'm kind of like a shin gearambassador, also kind of got
hired to do some communitymarketing stuff this year.
So, man, I got a lot of coolhunts this year.
We're going to take a bunch ofbrand partnerships.
We're going to take a bunch ofinfluencers that I that like, I
(01:44):
know, whether it's you know nflathlete or country music singer.
Oh, you know, we got.
We got peyton manning comingdown to come hunt with me.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We got, uh is there a duck hunter before?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
man?
Yeah, he's actually a big duckhunter.
Really.
He duck hunts a lot out in uh,idaho I forgot the name of some,
some big club and they, I mean,you can shoot seven miles a
person out there and they smashthem, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
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Speaker 2 (02:25):
So, yeah, yeah, he actually is a duck hunter and
actually he bought I think thesecond year shin gear was a
thing like they like got anorder and it was peyton manning
and like they knew it had to behim because it was like a, it
was like a tall waiter.
I think it was a custom waiter.
Yeah, they knew like gosh, thisis, this is a normal person I've
known him for a couple years,just, you know, playing the nfl,
whatnot.
He used to always text me anduh, you know, just kind of give
(02:46):
me advice while I was playing.
And then now he hosts thecountry music awards and I'm
dating laney.
So just it all worked out towhere you know.
I hit him up, was like, hey,you want to come, come duck hunt
this year and some arkansastimber.
He said, count me in.
So yeah, he's gonna come down.
And then, uh, got a few other,you know, got got my boy, zach
top, coming down.
Laney's gonna come hunt.
Um, and we left a few datesopen because you never know who
(03:08):
made this holler at us.
And I'm trying to get hardy andmorgan wallen to come down.
But that's pretty cool, man, Idon't know, they can't get out
of deer woods.
And man, there's such a there Igot like I always thought I had
a busy schedule right, butthose people just I mean covered
up, huh.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So you so?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
you might, but you're making time for duck season
though they're, they can't getout of deer season, but you,
you're like, uh, oh, yeah, I'm astraight duck.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm a duck hunter first 100 now I will say, over
the past two years I've beentrying to get into deer hunting,
and when I mainly bow hunting,I mean I, I don't know why
something about bow, shoot themclose like I don't know if it's
like something because somethingbecause of like timber Duck
hunting's my thing and gettingthem close, that makes sense.
But I just I didn't deer hunt alot growing up because of
(03:50):
football.
And then, like when I played incollege, played in the NFL,
like I'd always miss the rut.
Then once I got done playingfootball it was duck season.
Now, once duck season gets here, I ain't worried about deer
hunting.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So whenever you got started, I mean obviously you
know you love to duck huntbecause I mean that's what you
choose to do.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's like how did that getinstilled in you?
Was it something you picked upor did you get it from like a
family member man, it took youhunting or anything like that so
when we first started duckhunting I was, I think, seven or
eight years old.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I had deer hunted the first five or six years, like
growing up, and then, like we,actually a guy that my dad
worked with was like man, y'alljust ought to go duck hunting
and my dad was like you knowwhat, let's go.
So, like my granddad bought aboat, um, my dad bought all the
decoys and I was at this point Icouldn't even shoot a gun, like
(04:39):
I was still like super young,right, um, but I remember going
the first time we went out ontennessee river in north alabama
we shot one duck and I thoughtit was like we thought it was
the coolest thing ever oh yeah,like one duck, and I was like,
oh man, dude, I can't wait to gotomorrow.
We saw a bunch of ducks and weshot one because, you know,
going deer hunting you may noteven see a deer, that's right.
(04:59):
Um, and then, like I don't know,it was just something that
clicked and we just kept duckhunting, kept duck hunting and
then, like I got into duckcalling contest and I went to a
duck calling contest, I thinkwhen I was 10 years old and like
I had blown a duck call before,but I guess I didn't realize I
was like somewhat pretty decentat duck calling and I remember
like winning the first duckcalling contest and then like
(05:22):
that set off a whole new causeI'm super competitive, like
anything I do, like I want to bethe best at, and I said, hey,
well, if I want to do this duckclawing contest, like yeah, so I
went to the state Alabama stateas like a kid won it and then I
eventually won a junior worldduck clawing contest and then
like came in second in likeintermediate worlds as I got
older and then like got to apoint where I was so busy with
(05:42):
like college football and NFL,like I kind of got away from
duck calling contests.
Actually I qualified twodifferent times but couldn't
make it because of football.
But duck calling is something Iwant to get back into because,
like I'm again, I'm just supercompetitive and yeah, I mean
duck hunting.
We started duck hunting inArkansas one time and, like I
don't know, I think we shot like30 Mallards oh, that's over,
(06:03):
going from shooting like 8 or 10in Alabama to like 30 in
Arkansas.
I was like yep, yep, so we juststarted coming out here.
This is the only place I hunt.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's magical.
It's magical though ArkansasTimber man People that have
never experienced it.
Dude, it's worth checking out.
Oh, it's nice.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It's a good time, for sure, to ask you something man,
how did you get?
I mean, I know you playfootball, yeah, but uh, what did
you just quit playing football?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
or man it.
Just, you know, I played in thenfl.
I played for the pittsburghsteelers for two years and then
I went to the los angeles ramsand then, after the rams, I went
to the canadian football leagueand I was a guy that was
undrafted.
I had a really good, greatcollege career.
Um, I ended up winning theWalter Payton Award, which is
like basically the Heisman forFCS, and I broke Steve McNair's
(06:49):
all-time passing record incollege.
But I was an undrafted freeagent.
I made the Steelers off atryout.
Wow, that's crazy I was therefor two years and then played
for the Rams and went to CFL.
I mean, it just kind of got tothe point where, you know, I
just felt like it was time forme to hang them up.
You just didn't enjoy it, orwhat?
(07:10):
No, I didn't enjoy playing inthe Canadian Football League.
Let me say that I mean, livingin Canada is a lot different
than living down here in theSouth.
But man, it just, you know, Icame back home I got asked to
play in all these like springfootball leagues, like the USFL
and like the UFL and all these.
But I just, man, I'd played inthe NFL and like I understand
(07:32):
the business I mean it's acutthroat business.
I'm just, I felt like I wasready to Just do your own thing,
do my own thing.
And I would say that probablyif I didn't enjoy hunting as
much, I probably would still tryto play.
But like those first two yearsin the NFL, like I missed the
first 30 days of duck season.
It drove me nuts.
I mean I remember opening day.
(07:52):
I was in Pittsburgh and I wouldwake up at like 3 50 in the
morning and be like hey, y'allready to go get the hole, like
texting my buddies, like I justI think if I didn't love to hunt
as much, I would have stillplayed a little bit longer.
But man, like my whole dreamgrowing up was go to NFL and I
wanted two things I wanted tobuy me a duck camp and I wanted
to buy a truck.
And I did those.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Check them off, man.
Yeah, done and done.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Checked them off and, man, I just fell in love with
real estate.
And still, being around, somewakes To me real estate and
selling duck hunt properties andland.
Like I kind of work in the duckhunt right, like I get the duck
hunt when it's duck season, soso that's the way.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's the way you have both.
Yeah, you're like you're in,and then you also get the
freedom.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's right and and then now, like this was my first
year actually, I helped coach ahigh school team here in
nashville, uh, tennessee, whereI live at now, and we actually
went undefeated one state lastweek.
So, like now, I get to be inthat camaraderie of the locker
room, which is what I miss morethan anything.
Like man like playing, like I,I throw a football, whatnot.
(08:55):
I don't necessarily missplaying, but I miss the game and
being around it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So now I kind of got the best of everything right now
and you know, like you'retelling me before we got started
here, you're like I rememberyou saying you know, if it ever
got to where I didn't reallyenjoy it, then I would not do it
A hundred percent, like I don'twant to keep it to, just to a
level where it's not work.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Exactly.
That's like people ask me allthe time, like I was telling
y'all, like I also feel like itbecomes work more than just
being able to go out there andbe free, because I mean, hunting
to me is, in a way, like mychurch.
That's where I get out there,that's where all my ideas come
(09:33):
to heart, I mean, that's where Ithink, I think deep about
everything.
That's my getaway.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Man, that's crazy.
It's a nice story.
I appreciate it, it is.
It's a good story.
Man, you tried out, made theNFL.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That's better than getting that kind of fate.
Oh yeah, I mean, I think what's.
That's cool.
I think .03 high schoolathletes go to NFL and it's like
less than 1% go to college.
So, man, very, that's howyou're pretty good at learning.
I can still throw it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I see a video.
The other day, dude, you hitthe goal post.
Yeah, at the Cowboys you stillgot it, man.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I still got it.
It's never too late.
I was trying to get the Cowboysto sign me for the Thanksgiving
game.
They wouldn't do it.
They wouldn't sign you for agame.
No, oh, they're lost.
What are we doing, they?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
totally missed out, man Y Like Doug, we are in the
industry, for, you know, webuild boats Yep, Right
Performance boats and we feellike we've changed the industry
through new models.
New, you know, just designsthat gave hunters the edge Right
To push you to the next level.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
We gave them the edge too, we did give them the edge.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
First, I was about to say be careful using that name.
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
We gave them the edge too, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's all under the same tree.
We excelled above the rest andgave him the edge.
Then we wreaked havoc on thenation, right?
So what I'm getting at is so,shin, tell me a little bit about
shin.
Yeah, and what?
What is the game plan like?
What are you guys trying to toaccomplish here?
Man hunters?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
yeah, you know, shin gear is something that I've been
a part of from day one and youknow, I feel like I play I I'm
always got it feels like I playa smaller role in it than
probably what I actually do, but, man, I'm very thankful to be a
part of it.
And you know, shin gear is justa.
It's a brand that has really Imean, it's taken off.
Um, you know, we got right now,we got just duck hunt line
(11:17):
right now, but it's it's a brandthat's been around for four
years.
It's a brand that was made byduck hunters and by hunters that
hunt this area in the southeast, which I think is really
special.
And man, they just got.
You know, their whole thing isbuilt better.
They want to build all theirproducts to be better.
You know, when it comes like,let's talk about just the waders
(11:38):
, their whole thing is, you know, less seams.
Let's build the waiters betterbecause they want less leaks.
And I don't care, there ain't awaiter out there that's not
going to ever leak at some point.
Or you're going to have I mean,you're going to have Wear and
tear.
Yeah, wear and tear.
Same thing with boats there'salways, you know, one bad apple
in a bunch.
But, man, it's a great companyand, like, to me, what I love
(12:01):
more than anything about thegear is just the people behind
the company.
Right, customer service istheir number one thing and
that's what people rave aboutand what people come up to me
Like man Shin's customer service, like they have done so much.
Like man, I had a leak in mywaders and they were fixed and
back to me in you know five days.
(12:21):
Like, because I think theturnaround time like, if you
bring in a pair of waiters thatgot a leak, um, they will take
them, fix them and have themback to you, I think in five to
seven days is their goal.
And now they've started aloaner program to where, like,
they give you a loan to keep yougoing yeah, that that way, man.
That way because they know thatthat's really good.
They know that five, five,seven days could be.
I mean, that could be a lot ofdays for someone, you know it's
(12:43):
frustrating for a person.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Somebody takes off work or they don't have waiters.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I see that so you know, they just open up the
store stuck guard, that's theirfirst flagship store and man,
there's so much in the plans.
I mean I know, down the, downthe road, I mean there will,
there will be lines, you know,for the deer hunt and turkey
hunt and all that it's allcoming, all that stuff.
It's all coming.
Yeah, it's all coming, it'sjust a matter of time.
It's going to take time, yeah,it's going to take time, but
they want to make sure that theydo it right.
(13:08):
Right, and you know, like yearone I was telling you all,
before year one she was waders,wader pants and, I think, one
jacket, gotten to the pointwhere they're almost got
everything in the duck huntingline, or at least a good amount.
Now, right, they can startthinking about other things.
So, man, it's a, it's a cool,it's cool to be a part of.
(13:28):
I'm very honored to be a partof it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
and you know, telling y'all, hopefully, maybe one day
work something out oh, yeah, Imean, uh know what we wear and
and I hope, hope that we canteam up.
Yeah, you know, uh, I wouldlove to support an ark company
Absolutely and you know, thisvest is nice.
You know, I got on your websiteand I looked and you guys are
putting on stuff every day, soyeah, and I mean y'all are
traveling so much hunting andwhatnot, like man.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I was telling people someone the other day I forgot
who it was, but I was like man,like they, like they just love
hunting, like they are huntersand like I know you were telling
me you don't duck hunt as muchas you used to, but you still
love to hunt, yeah, and youtravel and all that stuff, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The reason why I don't duck hunt as much as I
used to is because we're alwaysworking.
You know it's get all thesehavocs in the hole, you know,
and you're working on something.
Yeah, somebody's going to talkabout a boat instead of a duck.
Yeah, so sometimes that getsold, yeah, but you know it is
what it is.
You go out there and supportwhat you can and try to enjoy
yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And duck hunting being such a big thing in
Arkansas which it is, I mean, tome.
Like when I talk about duckseason, I talk about when is
Arkansas open.
Like when people ask me when isduck season open, my mind goes
okay.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Instantly Arkansas.
Yeah, when is the open day?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
for Arkansas.
But I mean, man, there's somany places I want to travel to
in duck hunt that are just look,it's cool.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's cool traveling around.
When you get away from whereyou're used to hunting, it's
like a whole new game.
It's a whole new game.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And then it also— it's a grind too.
It's a grind, it's a whole newgame.
I've been to Canada, I've beento North Dakota, I've gone there
and shot the mess out of them.
It's like when I come back toArkansas, it's almost like a
reset.
Like man, this is still andyou're coming back home.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Exactly, home means something to you once you leave
for a while.
And just talking about thegrind, though, you know, when we
go hunting somewhere.
And we got four tags to fill,we got five days and we're
hunting daylight to dark.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, oh yeah, there is no waste of time.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You know we gotta walk 12 miles, let's get it done
, pack up whatever.
Yeah, and you know you're sore,you're exhausted, but somehow I
like that yeah oh, you know itlike my back is killing me, my
feet are killing me.
I got blisters, but we're gonnado this, you know.
Uh, they put you in a situationwhere you got to push through
it.
Yeah, then, when you come home,is you're right?
(16:07):
It's like you reset it.
You know, and it's pretty neat,like new mexico.
We got up at the top of themountains.
I just sat up there.
I'm like I can't believe I madeit up here you know, I'm
getting.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I'm like I'm just gonna sit here for a while yeah,
you, let me ask y'all this, andy'all might have talked about
this before, but I just want toask y'all because I've never
been to elk hunting.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And it is on my bucket list to go.
Oh yeah, it's a good time.
Tell me, is elk hunting like a—?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It is so, if you're—.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
All right, so you turkey hunt?
Oh, I heard it puts turkeyhunting to shame.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It is like turkey.
If you go when they're likerunning around, they're like
pushing cows and it's the realdeal.
It's like turkey hunting onsteroids.
That's crazy, I mean it is thesame kind of you know calling
and getting in front of cuttingoff, you know and just.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Bow hunting is awesome.
It's just like Long rangehunting is awesome.
Anything to do with themountains and somewhere else is
just awesome.
That Hunting is awesome.
Anything to do with themountains and somewhere else is
just awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It's just an experience.
It's way different than here.
The cactus, the mountains areso cool.
Yeah, I told you like shh shh,shh, I went to Lake Tahoe this
year and then, like last spring,with the Idaho, we were like
north of Boise and kind of inthe mountains a little bit, but
man, it's just such a coolscenery up there like really
it's hard to like go there andnot be like man, this is
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, um so yeah, elk hunt is definitely, and I'll
tell you something else too.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I mean, you're in the clothing line business.
I mean going out to places.
Put you in situations where youcan use your gear.
Yeah, and there's a part,there's a part of you that you
get some gear and you got theperfect backpack or the perfect
pants for the the environmentyou're in.
Or you, you base layer it upright.
Or you, you, you, you, you base, layer it up just right where
(17:50):
you can shed some unpackablejacket.
Yeah, all that stuff is liketechnology to me and it just
fascinates me.
Like I'll get on my phone.
I feel like you're giving mesome ideas.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, I'm just like that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, I'll tell you how I mean if you want to pick
my brain on ideas, I tell younumber one, the biggest selling
thing you can do, and I won'ttell you online, but I guarantee
you it's a problem that I dealwith on a regular basis and I
know if I deal with it,everybody deals with it and I'll
tell you once we get off thispodcast.
I would tell you to tell me offthe clock.
(18:29):
But you know, oh yeah, yeah,but you know the gear that you
guys build and able to use it inthe field and master the.
You know, because people gohunting and they have these
issues.
They got problems with theirsocks, maybe their base layer's
too long.
You know, there's just so muchto it to make a hunter, uh,
comfortable.
Yeah, you know, the first thingyou got to do is get that dude
comfortable as possible, becausehe's going to walk 15 miles and
(18:50):
he does not want to shed abunch of weight.
You know he wants to carry inthe least amount of weight
possible, but he doesn't want tobe, you know.
You know I just got so manyideas.
This drives me crazy.
He loves this part.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, oh sure and I imagine you know again I I try
to many ideas.
It drives me crazy.
He loves his partner?
Yeah, oh sure.
And I imagine you know again, Itry to like, I try not to.
When I go, when I go, like intoShin and talk to him, I try not
to ask too much because I don'twant to.
I don't want to know too muchbecause then I feel like I'll
came out with like a you knowturkey hunt line or deer hunt
line, yet is because they weretrying to like master.
(19:22):
So they wanted they don't wantto just throw out a deer hunt
line, Just hey, we got a deerhunt line.
I think they really want to putsome thought into it and like,
hey, what, what, what is therethat is needed?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
The key factors that make it.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That make it that just gives If that means it
doesn't come out a year soonerthan what they wanted to.
I think they are willing torisk a year to make sure the
gear is better.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You know what I'm saying.
That's how you get peopleaddicted to clothing.
You make it where it's easy touse.
You make it packable, yeah, andyou make it fun, oh, absolutely
, you know, make it look good,good quality clothing.
I'm sure they got some goodstuff down the line.
I hope so too.
I'm anxious to see it.
I'm anxious to see it For sure.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
One thing talking about clothing, one thing that
y'all do, that I think y'allabsolutely kill, is what you do
for the children's waiters.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yes, the youth program.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Explain that to everybody.
Dude, that is awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, so the youth program is basically a deal and
I'm probably going gonna mess upa little bit here on this.
But basically you come in and Ithink they got I think it's
ages like four to six is onewaiter and then it's ages like
seven to eight, the secondwaiter, then I think it's like
nine to eleven, is the thirdwaiter and then the fourth
waiter is like I think I thinkat that point you're close to
(20:37):
like a size six, adult size.
But essentially what it is isyou come in and like say, if you
got a kid, you buy their waiter, and like, let's say, if you
start from the first waiter, youbuy the waiter.
I forget the price.
I want to say it's like 600bucks, maybe 700 bucks.
You buy the waiter for your kid.
Well, when he grows you cancome in and trade in that waiter
(20:58):
for the other size, and I thinkyou pay like 100 bucks.
So instead of having to alwaysbuy a new buy a new set to wait
it's like a program and I forget, I think it's.
You can trade them in.
It's either two or three timesand then on that third or fourth
time, like that's the waiterthat they got, until it's time
for them to get something else.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
So it's a it's that right I was just going to ask
you what motivated them to dothat yeah, and I would say that
would, that was it.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You know they got kids and that they know that so
they're pretty young company.
I mean, the owners are prettyyoung yeah, I mean I think you
know one of them's kid, that oneof the owners.
It's actually funny.
There's two owners that gotkids that are probably in the
range of 8 to 14, and thenthere's another owner who's got
kids that's probably in thatrate they're freshmen, sophomore
(21:49):
in college and then the otherowner's got a kid that has he's
a granddad.
So they got them all right now.
I would say that they justunderstood that there was a need
for some kind of youth programor youth waiter out there.
I don't believe there'sanything else like it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
No See, to me that makes perfect sense, because not
only is it helping everybodyaffordably, you know get their
kids into hunting, but it's youknow, it's like it's just going
to it just allows you to startthem at a younger age.
Oh, absolutely, and it's it's a.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It's a good quality.
You ain't got to worry aboutyour kid.
You know my feet are wet.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm sure that's probablyhappened once or twice, but
still.
And the kid grows up wearingthe good stuff it's absolutely
genius.
It's a good marketing deal too.
Yeah, it's a cool thing.
It's one of the coolest thingsI think they do.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know, I have John Deere tractors because my dad
had John Deere tractors.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
That's just the facts of it.
I've always shot Browningshotguns because that's what my
granddad shot, that's what mydad shot.
So like, yeah, you get a youthgrowing into like he's going to
stick around with.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Absolutely B.
Scott buys a Kubota.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm whooping have you been looking at a Kubota?
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've been looking at a Kubota well.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I mean, did your dad drive a Kubota?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
no, he didn't drive any tractors.
So I feel like I'm free.
You're a free agent you'restarting it so I need to really
think about it my dad had JohnDeere tractors but it's hard to
go wrong with green John Deere,it's hard to go wrong with green
john.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know, I'm saying it's hard to go wrong with.
Oh yeah, I love john deere man.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I mean john deere is so cool, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I mean, it is, it's cool, it's cool, it's like the
american tractor?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
no doubt, absolutely.
It's a deer.
That's right.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
We like to kill deer oh, other than we try to kill.
I wonder how many john deere'shave actually killed a deer a?
A lot Like in the Midwest, alot Like you know.
You see pictures all the timeof like it's horrible looking
too Of like 170s just laying inthe field a tractor.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I wonder how many deer A combine scooped up.
I wonder how many big deer'sbeen seen by John Deere's Like
farmers, like in a combine.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I bet they've seen.
I mean, I got buddies there outof the combine.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's all you see out there where we came from.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
DeWitt.
If you want to scout and reportthe area you're hunting, just
ask Is that where y'all fromDeWitt no, that's where we went
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Okay, yeah, we did a photo shoot out there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So y'all from Fordyce , Fordyce is that how you say it
.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
We're actually from Mal Cool, awesome.
We've been all the way up anddown Arkansas, from Mountain
View to we have both PlanetMountain View.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
We've been all over the country.
We're all over Arkansas anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
How long have y'all been here at this location?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We're about 10 or 11 years.
This will be the 11th year.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Awesome, is this your one or two podcast?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
This is technically one.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, we just started this not too long ago.
We got what 50 episodes westarted in yeah, 51.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
51.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's awesome hey.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It's starting to grow too, Getting cool people like
you on is definitely helping.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Let me say this because I tried to do a podcast.
Yeah, it's tough, it's tough toI myself and it's impossible.
Oh no, so like y'all got somegood help we got y'all got good
help behind the cameras allright.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
If they didn't show up, dude, there'd be no show.
We don't even know what to talkabout.
I don't even know how to turnthat stuff on over there, yeah
and I mean you said 51 episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean that's strong too, because I mean that's the
thing, like everyone that I'vetalked to, that uh, and I feel
like I'm I'm not trying to givey'all knowledge, I'm just
telling y'all what Someone wastelling me, what people told me.
They said like you know, heylook, you just got to keep doing
them, you just got to keepdoing them and eventually
they'll just start.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Some people say it takes seven years for it to take
off.
Really, I mean, I got to doseven years of this.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Tim are you?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
on every podcast, not every one, but you know some, a
lot of them, most of them, yeahCool, mathematically we're
going to be at 450 podcastsbefore it even takes off.
I say it, we're doing it anyway, it don't matter I say it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
No one said it was easy.
Y'all got a cool setup.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'd rather do a podcast and buff a boat.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You've done your fair share.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I've done it.
I've done my fair share ofbuffing boats.
I promise you, we used to buildthem, you know, but I'm over
that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Tim, let me ask you something what all do you, I
mean, what's your day-to-daylook like when you come to, I
guess, the Habit plant now?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, I mean, you know Brandon does a lot now
since he's grown up.
You know he's been in the boatindustry with me since he was a
baby, of course, but I usuallygo around.
I got good managers.
You know DJ's awesome and wejust got a lot of good people,
you know, in the office.
You know that's where it's at.
It's an office, but a lot oftimes I'll stay in the office
(26:25):
and I'll walk around and lookaround and everything we build a
brand new model or somethingyou know I'll get involved in
that Make sure the checkaccount's healthy, make sure the
bills are being paid.
But pretty much, you know themarketing side of it.
Havoc is we focus on thefoundation of the company for so
many, a long time Ten years,yeah, not mentioning what we did
(26:48):
before Havoc and what we didbefore that you know.
So you know we've definitelygrown into the industry we're in
today.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
But you know, the marketing side of things is what
I really like the most.
You know I like building coolboats.
You know, obviously I likebuilding boats, but the
marketing side, you know, I'mjust like kicking ass, yeah, and
I like to kick ass.
So you know, that's the way Ireally do think.
I mean, when you start sellingproduct, whether you're selling
jackets or boats or popsicle-sticks, it's all competitive.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, it's competitive for sure.
Yeah, it's all the same thing.
I know I was telling B Scottbefore like I think it's cool
that y'all are diving into likepodcasts and it seems like y'all
diving more to like thismarketing stuff, because I mean,
you know, a brand is more thanjust you know the product.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
A lot of I don't know imagining.
I don't know to be judging youfor something you're not.
We are living the Americandream.
We are blue-collar workers.
I mean, we're not nothingspecial.
We just woke up with a dream.
I love it, and a lot of peopledon't understand that the
American dream is still real.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Oh, absolutely, I'm going through it a little bit.
I'm starting it right now.
I can tell I'll tell you just alittle hint about it I'm
working on a little golf brandright now.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh yeah, are you a golfer?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, yeah, I play a bunch.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You play golf?
I haven't played.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I haven't played.
I'll go ahead and give you awarning.
I mean, I'm talking trash tohim.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Darryl's pretty serious.
Dude Darryl's pretty serious.
Is Darryl good at golf?
Dude Darryl's pretty good atgolf.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
He's pretty nice.
I've seen some videos.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Matter of fact, a dude at the boat ramp this
morning thought that I wasDarryl because the trucks, you
know, they match.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm glad you said trucks he was surprised.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
We got it Straight up , brothers, unrecognizable, and
he walked up and he was like, ohman, I was going to talk to
Daryl about golfing At the boatramp.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I was like how random is that?
I know Daryl, he plays a bunch.
I feel like he golfs a littlebit more than he fishes.
Now I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't know the last time he golfed.
He I don't know, I don't know,I don't know, I don't know the
last time he golfed.
He fishes a lot.
Yeah, he's always out therewell I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm starting a little golf deal that's gonna launch
next year that I'm excited about, so I'll I'll keep you on the
loop about it, that's cool man,that's cool.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You're gonna spread out man yeah, I mean man.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I've learned so much, feel like I'm a very creative
person and like when I startwhen I stop playing football.
That's when I started torealize, like man, like I'm very
creative and like, why not?
Like, why not just go after?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
you just wake up happy and you know, say I'm
gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, and if
you'll, I'll wake up.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'll wake up pretty happy.
I don't have to drink coffee oranything.
I'll wake.
Oh really, yeah, I don't.
I'm not a coffee drink.
How are you 28?
That might change here.
It's going to change you at 40.
Okay, all right, 40, so I got12 more years.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You got 40.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I got 40 kicks in when we need that coffee All
right, y'all's podcast needs totechnically kick off before I
start drinking coffee.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I agree, it mathematically should.
Hopefully, I think our podcastis doing pretty good.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I think it is, but it does take a long time.
But having people like you onour podcast helps us well I
appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm I'm honored to be here and I'm appreciate, uh,
you know, very thankful to getto do this and, uh, man, looking
forward to running this new,this new freedom motor I know
we've been talking about for awhile the videos and it's doing
the freedom motors, just it's.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
It's really amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, and I've been a fan of y'all's boats for such a
long time.
It's cool to see y' you knowkind of partner up and like have
this deal going Like.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I'm excited, I think it's going to be, I think it's
definitely a wave of the future,and I'm not saying that it's
100% perfect.
Yeah, but where it's going isgoing to be just.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh for sure.
Well, I mean I Shin.
They came out with their wadersyear one I'm just using Shin as
an example, because I knowthey've already.
We got a new wader called the2S.
That's like less seams in thefirst year.
So, man, things are always itnever stops, it never stops,
they never will.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I have a theory behind the freedom but, being
Scott mentioned, it's notperfect, but the little issues
we've had with the motor, it'sjust, it's been very minor.
Yeah, you know absolutely, andI'm just.
I really do think it's going togain large market share within
the next three years.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh, I mean listen, the idea and the purpose behind
it.
I mean there ain't nothing elseout there like it at all.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
It's the only thing out there right now that's
trying to move the industryforward.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
And I really think people don't really grasp that
whole idea.
See that Havoc boat is built on25-inch transom, so that motor
is actually close to 30 incheshigh.
So it's you know, people reallydon't understand what that
motor is doing until youactually see it.
Yeah.
Because, it actually cups thewater.
(31:42):
It's actually doing somethingreally crazy yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Like I was telling you earlier, like those fins
that come down when the coolantruns through, literally this
much of the fins is in the water.
That's right.
Which means that everythingabove that is above the water
and it's still got volume ofwater that the prop is spinning.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes, it's holding a water volume that is above the
water level.
It's crazy.
So if you put a tape measure onit, so you know, and I need to
tell people this, but if youtake a standard 2-I-2 motor and
you take the Freedom motor andyou put them side to side, put a
tape measure from the bottom ofthe fin to the ground, the
Freedom is actually going to beeight inches, nine inches higher
(32:22):
, so there's not much in thewater.
Yeah, and a lot of people don'tunderstand it, a lot of people
still think it's an outboard,right, but it's a closed loop
cooling system.
Yeah, and that fin is holdingwater in there and it's turning.
It's really crazy.
Yeah, it's insane how it'sworking.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I hope we send you a picture tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And it's only going to get better.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I hope to send you a picture tomorrow of the Freedom
Boat with a bunch of mallards onit.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Oh, absolutely, that's the plan yeah, it's going
to be so sweet, you're goingnot gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm not gonna tell him you.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Just, you just go put the mallet.
I'm excited.
I didn't even see your boat.
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
See, I wasn't timmy don't know what's going on I
wasn't walking around readingpapers.
I was in office.
Oh man, yeah, I'm excited, it'sgonna be fun absolutely, man.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, I appreciate you coming, dude man, this is
awesome dude.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Thank y'all, and this won't be the first time I come
no man, absolutely you guys comebring.
Yeah, I'll come hop on anytimeand we'll get some more people
on and it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It'll be a fun next couple years, absolutely, man.
Well, I hope you absolutelyslaughter the ducks the rest of
the season.
Send me some pictures, I'llsend you some.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'll forward it to B Scott.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I'll send them to y'all are horrible man nah, I
appreciate it guys, anyways,guys, listen, go check out the
gear.
Guys.
In Stuttgart, arkansas, this isinsane, alright.
Beautiful color, beautifulpatterns.
You know it is the heart ofArkansas, stuttgart.
If you're an Arkansas waterfowlhunter, this is, this is a
place you gotta check out.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Ain't no reason buying camo anywhere else.
If you're killing ducks inArkansas, that else, and killing
ducks and arkasaur, that'sright, I see it, and come check
out, come check out the boatshere.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, I'm talking about come on, I'm talking about
guys leave a like, subscribe,hit the bell for notifications
and we'll catch you on the nextone.
it's five o'clock and you're off the clock with me,
scott.
Now, today we're excited tohave as our guest duck Hodges.
All right, this guy is an avidduck hunter.
Okay, nfl quarterback, he sellsfarms, properties, all
everywhere.
He also is a competition caller, and a damn good one.
All right, guys.
So we're going to get intowaterfowl season as of now,
(00:21):
because it is the second splitright now.
It is back open.
All right, we're going to talkabout how we became Duck Hodges.
So before we get into it, makesure you leave a like.
Hit the bell for notifications,let's get into it.
So, devlin man, thanks forcoming.
Dude, I know you're busy rightnow.
I see you running around.
(00:42):
Obviously you're killing ducks.
It's duck season.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's a busy time You're whacking them.
Huh, it's been a good firstsplit, so what?
Duck season open today again.
Second split I didn't even huntto come do this.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But that's okay, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's all right, bad weather.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We didn't miss much today.
Well, hey, we absolutely didnot kill him today?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
hey, that's alright.
Hey, tomorrow, tomorrow's theday sunshine north wind.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I knew it was a bad day for B-Sky because I didn't
get no pictures.
I just went to work.
Tim, I'll send you somepictures?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
alright, you send me some pictures.
They're going to make youjealous.
They're going to make youjealous.
I don't know, we'll see.
They had a decent.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So tell me a little bit about what you got planned
this hunting season.
I know you got a pretty packedschedule.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, man, I do.
I got some exciting stuff.
I'm kind of like a shin gearambassador, also kind of got
hired to do some communitymarketing stuff this year.
So, man, I got a lot of coolhunts this year.
We're going to take a bunch ofbrand partnerships.
We're going to take a bunch ofinfluencers that I that like, I
(01:44):
know, whether it's you know nflathlete or country music singer.
Oh, you know, we got.
We got peyton manning comingdown to come hunt with me.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We got, uh is there a duck hunter before?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
man?
Yeah, he's actually a big duckhunter.
Really.
He duck hunts a lot out in uh,idaho I forgot the name of some,
some big club and they, I mean,you can shoot seven miles a
person out there and they smashthem, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Guys, if you made it this far, like subscribe and hit
the bell for notifications, ithelps us out tremendously and it
helps us push to get morethings in the gear shop, more
content up, and if you likesomething or you want us to do
something, drop a comment downbelow.
All right, we'll get back intoit.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So, yeah, yeah, he actually is a duck hunter and
actually he bought I think thesecond year shin gear was a
thing like they like got anorder and it was peyton manning
and like they knew it had to behim because it was like a, it
was like a tall waiter.
I think it was a custom waiter.
Yeah, they knew like gosh, thisis, this is a normal person I've
known him for a couple years,just, you know, playing the nfl,
whatnot.
He used to always text me anduh, you know, just kind of give
(02:46):
me advice while I was playing.
And then now he hosts thecountry music awards and I'm
dating laney.
So just it all worked out towhere you know.
I hit him up, was like, hey,you want to come, come duck hunt
this year and some arkansastimber.
He said, count me in.
So yeah, he's gonna come down.
And then, uh, got a few other,you know, got got my boy, zach
top, coming down.
Laney's gonna come hunt.
Um, and we left a few datesopen because you never know who
(03:08):
made this holler at us.
And I'm trying to get hardy andmorgan wallen to come down.
But that's pretty cool, man, Idon't know, they can't get out
of deer woods.
And man, there's such a there Igot like I always thought I had
a busy schedule right, butthose people just I mean covered
up, huh.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So you so?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
you might, but you're making time for duck season
though they're, they can't getout of deer season, but you,
you're like, uh, oh, yeah, I'm astraight duck.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm a duck hunter first 100 now I will say, over
the past two years I've beentrying to get into deer hunting,
and when I mainly bow hunting,I mean I, I don't know why
something about bow, shoot themclose like I don't know if it's
like something because somethingbecause of like timber Duck
hunting's my thing and gettingthem close, that makes sense.
But I just I didn't deer hunt alot growing up because of
(03:50):
football.
And then, like when I played incollege, played in the NFL,
like I'd always miss the rut.
Then once I got done playingfootball it was duck season.
Now, once duck season gets here, I ain't worried about deer
hunting.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So whenever you got started, I mean obviously you
know you love to duck huntbecause I mean that's what you
choose to do.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's like how did that getinstilled in you?
Was it something you picked upor did you get it from like a
family member man, it took youhunting or anything like that so
when we first started duckhunting I was, I think, seven or
eight years old.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I had deer hunted the first five or six years, like
growing up, and then, like we,actually a guy that my dad
worked with was like man, y'alljust ought to go duck hunting
and my dad was like you knowwhat, let's go.
So, like my granddad bought aboat, um, my dad bought all the
decoys and I was at this point Icouldn't even shoot a gun, like
(04:39):
I was still like super young,right, um, but I remember going
the first time we went out ontennessee river in north alabama
we shot one duck and I thoughtit was like we thought it was
the coolest thing ever oh yeah,like one duck, and I was like,
oh man, dude, I can't wait to gotomorrow.
We saw a bunch of ducks and weshot one because, you know,
going deer hunting you may noteven see a deer, that's right.
(04:59):
Um, and then, like I don't know,it was just something that
clicked and we just kept duckhunting, kept duck hunting and
then, like I got into duckcalling contest and I went to a
duck calling contest, I thinkwhen I was 10 years old and like
I had blown a duck call before,but I guess I didn't realize I
was like somewhat pretty decentat duck calling and I remember
like winning the first duckcalling contest and then like
(05:22):
that set off a whole new causeI'm super competitive, like
anything I do, like I want to bethe best at, and I said, hey,
well, if I want to do this duckclawing contest, like yeah, so I
went to the state Alabama stateas like a kid won it and then I
eventually won a junior worldduck clawing contest and then
like came in second in likeintermediate worlds as I got
older and then like got to apoint where I was so busy with
(05:42):
like college football and NFL,like I kind of got away from
duck calling contests.
Actually I qualified twodifferent times but couldn't
make it because of football.
But duck calling is something Iwant to get back into because,
like I'm again, I'm just supercompetitive and yeah, I mean
duck hunting.
We started duck hunting inArkansas one time and, like I
don't know, I think we shot like30 Mallards oh, that's over,
(06:03):
going from shooting like 8 or 10in Alabama to like 30 in
Arkansas.
I was like yep, yep, so we juststarted coming out here.
This is the only place I hunt.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's magical.
It's magical though ArkansasTimber man People that have
never experienced it.
Dude, it's worth checking out.
Oh, it's nice.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It's a good time, for sure, to ask you something man,
how did you get?
I mean, I know you playfootball, yeah, but uh, what did
you just quit playing football?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
or man it.
Just, you know, I played in thenfl.
I played for the pittsburghsteelers for two years and then
I went to the los angeles ramsand then, after the rams, I went
to the canadian football leagueand I was a guy that was
undrafted.
I had a really good, greatcollege career.
Um, I ended up winning theWalter Payton Award, which is
like basically the Heisman forFCS, and I broke Steve McNair's
(06:49):
all-time passing record incollege.
But I was an undrafted freeagent.
I made the Steelers off atryout.
Wow, that's crazy I was therefor two years and then played
for the Rams and went to CFL.
I mean, it just kind of got tothe point where, you know, I
just felt like it was time forme to hang them up.
You just didn't enjoy it, orwhat?
(07:10):
No, I didn't enjoy playing inthe Canadian Football League.
Let me say that I mean, livingin Canada is a lot different
than living down here in theSouth.
But man, it just, you know, Icame back home I got asked to
play in all these like springfootball leagues, like the USFL
and like the UFL and all these.
But I just, man, I'd played inthe NFL and like I understand
(07:32):
the business I mean it's acutthroat business.
I'm just, I felt like I wasready to Just do your own thing,
do my own thing.
And I would say that probablyif I didn't enjoy hunting as
much, I probably would still tryto play.
But like those first two yearsin the NFL, like I missed the
first 30 days of duck season.
It drove me nuts.
I mean I remember opening day.
(07:52):
I was in Pittsburgh and I wouldwake up at like 3 50 in the
morning and be like hey, y'allready to go get the hole, like
texting my buddies, like I justI think if I didn't love to hunt
as much, I would have stillplayed a little bit longer.
But man, like my whole dreamgrowing up was go to NFL and I
wanted two things I wanted tobuy me a duck camp and I wanted
to buy a truck.
And I did those.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Check them off, man.
Yeah, done and done.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Checked them off and, man, I just fell in love with
real estate.
And still, being around, somewakes To me real estate and
selling duck hunt properties andland.
Like I kind of work in the duckhunt right, like I get the duck
hunt when it's duck season, soso that's the way.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's the way you have both.
Yeah, you're like you're in,and then you also get the
freedom.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's right and and then now, like this was my first
year actually, I helped coach ahigh school team here in
nashville, uh, tennessee, whereI live at now, and we actually
went undefeated one state lastweek.
So, like now, I get to be inthat camaraderie of the locker
room, which is what I miss morethan anything.
Like man like playing, like I,I throw a football, whatnot.
(08:55):
I don't necessarily missplaying, but I miss the game and
being around it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So now I kind of got the best of everything right now
and you know, like you'retelling me before we got started
here, you're like I rememberyou saying you know, if it ever
got to where I didn't reallyenjoy it, then I would not do it
A hundred percent, like I don'twant to keep it to, just to a
level where it's not work.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Exactly.
That's like people ask me allthe time, like I was telling
y'all, like I also feel like itbecomes work more than just
being able to go out there andbe free, because I mean, hunting
to me is, in a way, like mychurch.
That's where I get out there,that's where all my ideas come
(09:33):
to heart, I mean, that's where Ithink, I think deep about
everything.
That's my getaway.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Man, that's crazy.
It's a nice story.
I appreciate it, it is.
It's a good story.
Man, you tried out, made theNFL.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That's better than getting that kind of fate.
Oh yeah, I mean, I think what's.
That's cool.
I think .03 high schoolathletes go to NFL and it's like
less than 1% go to college.
So, man, very, that's howyou're pretty good at learning.
I can still throw it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I see a video.
The other day, dude, you hitthe goal post.
Yeah, at the Cowboys you stillgot it, man.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I still got it.
It's never too late.
I was trying to get the Cowboysto sign me for the Thanksgiving
game.
They wouldn't do it.
They wouldn't sign you for agame.
No, oh, they're lost.
What are we doing, they?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
totally missed out, man Y Like Doug, we are in the
industry, for, you know, webuild boats Yep, Right
Performance boats and we feellike we've changed the industry
through new models.
New, you know, just designsthat gave hunters the edge Right
To push you to the next level.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
We gave them the edge too, we did give them the edge.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
First, I was about to say be careful using that name.
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
We gave them the edge too, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's all under the same tree.
We excelled above the rest andgave him the edge.
Then we wreaked havoc on thenation, right?
So what I'm getting at is so,shin, tell me a little bit about
shin.
Yeah, and what?
What is the game plan like?
What are you guys trying to toaccomplish here?
Man hunters?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
yeah, you know, shin gear is something that I've been
a part of from day one and youknow, I feel like I play I I'm
always got it feels like I playa smaller role in it than
probably what I actually do, but, man, I'm very thankful to be a
part of it.
And you know, shin gear is justa.
It's a brand that has really Imean, it's taken off.
Um, you know, we got right now,we got just duck hunt line
(11:17):
right now, but it's it's a brandthat's been around for four
years.
It's a brand that was made byduck hunters and by hunters that
hunt this area in the southeast, which I think is really
special.
And man, they just got.
You know, their whole thing isbuilt better.
They want to build all theirproducts to be better.
You know, when it comes like,let's talk about just the waders
(11:38):
, their whole thing is, you know, less seams.
Let's build the waiters betterbecause they want less leaks.
And I don't care, there ain't awaiter out there that's not
going to ever leak at some point.
Or you're going to have I mean,you're going to have Wear and
tear.
Yeah, wear and tear.
Same thing with boats there'salways, you know, one bad apple
in a bunch.
But, man, it's a great companyand, like, to me, what I love
(12:01):
more than anything about thegear is just the people behind
the company.
Right, customer service istheir number one thing and
that's what people rave aboutand what people come up to me
Like man Shin's customer service, like they have done so much.
Like man, I had a leak in mywaders and they were fixed and
back to me in you know five days.
(12:21):
Like, because I think theturnaround time like, if you
bring in a pair of waiters thatgot a leak, um, they will take
them, fix them and have themback to you, I think in five to
seven days is their goal.
And now they've started aloaner program to where, like,
they give you a loan to keep yougoing yeah, that that way, man.
That way because they know thatthat's really good.
They know that five, five,seven days could be.
I mean, that could be a lot ofdays for someone, you know it's
(12:43):
frustrating for a person.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Somebody takes off work or they don't have waiters.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I see that so you know, they just open up the
store stuck guard, that's theirfirst flagship store and man,
there's so much in the plans.
I mean I know, down the, downthe road, I mean there will,
there will be lines, you know,for the deer hunt and turkey
hunt and all that it's allcoming, all that stuff.
It's all coming.
Yeah, it's all coming, it'sjust a matter of time.
It's going to take time, yeah,it's going to take time, but
they want to make sure that theydo it right.
(13:08):
Right, and you know, like yearone I was telling you all,
before year one she was waders,wader pants and, I think, one
jacket, gotten to the pointwhere they're almost got
everything in the duck huntingline, or at least a good amount.
Now, right, they can startthinking about other things.
So, man, it's a, it's a cool,it's cool to be a part of.
(13:28):
I'm very honored to be a partof it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
and you know, telling y'all, hopefully, maybe one day
work something out oh, yeah, Imean, uh know what we wear and
and I hope, hope that we canteam up.
Yeah, you know, uh, I wouldlove to support an ark company
Absolutely and you know, thisvest is nice.
You know, I got on your websiteand I looked and you guys are
putting on stuff every day, soyeah, and I mean y'all are
traveling so much hunting andwhatnot, like man.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I was telling people someone the other day I forgot
who it was, but I was like man,like they, like they just love
hunting, like they are huntersand like I know you were telling
me you don't duck hunt as muchas you used to, but you still
love to hunt, yeah, and youtravel and all that stuff, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The reason why I don't duck hunt as much as I
used to is because we're alwaysworking.
You know it's get all thesehavocs in the hole, you know,
and you're working on something.
Yeah, somebody's going to talkabout a boat instead of a duck.
Yeah, so sometimes that getsold, yeah, but you know it is
what it is.
You go out there and supportwhat you can and try to enjoy
yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And duck hunting being such a big thing in
Arkansas which it is, I mean, tome.
Like when I talk about duckseason, I talk about when is
Arkansas open.
Like when people ask me when isduck season open, my mind goes
okay.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Instantly Arkansas.
Yeah, when is the open day?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
for Arkansas.
But I mean, man, there's somany places I want to travel to
in duck hunt that are just look,it's cool.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's cool traveling around.
When you get away from whereyou're used to hunting, it's
like a whole new game.
It's a whole new game.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And then it also— it's a grind too.
It's a grind, it's a whole newgame.
I've been to Canada, I've beento North Dakota, I've gone there
and shot the mess out of them.
It's like when I come back toArkansas, it's almost like a
reset.
Like man, this is still andyou're coming back home.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Exactly, home means something to you once you leave
for a while.
And just talking about thegrind, though, you know, when we
go hunting somewhere.
And we got four tags to fill,we got five days and we're
hunting daylight to dark.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, oh yeah, there is no waste of time.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You know we gotta walk 12 miles, let's get it done
, pack up whatever.
Yeah, and you know you're sore,you're exhausted, but somehow I
like that yeah oh, you know itlike my back is killing me, my
feet are killing me.
I got blisters, but we're gonnado this, you know.
Uh, they put you in a situationwhere you got to push through
it.
Yeah, then, when you come home,is you're right?
(16:07):
It's like you reset it.
You know, and it's pretty neat,like new mexico.
We got up at the top of themountains.
I just sat up there.
I'm like I can't believe I madeit up here you know, I'm
getting.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I'm like I'm just gonna sit here for a while yeah,
you, let me ask y'all this, andy'all might have talked about
this before, but I just want toask y'all because I've never
been to elk hunting.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And it is on my bucket list to go.
Oh yeah, it's a good time.
Tell me, is elk hunting like a—?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It is so, if you're—.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
All right, so you turkey hunt?
Oh, I heard it puts turkeyhunting to shame.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It is like turkey.
If you go when they're likerunning around, they're like
pushing cows and it's the realdeal.
It's like turkey hunting onsteroids.
That's crazy, I mean it is thesame kind of you know calling
and getting in front of cuttingoff, you know and just.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Bow hunting is awesome.
It's just like Long rangehunting is awesome.
Anything to do with themountains and somewhere else is
just awesome.
That Hunting is awesome.
Anything to do with themountains and somewhere else is
just awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It's just an experience.
It's way different than here.
The cactus, the mountains areso cool.
Yeah, I told you like shh shh,shh, I went to Lake Tahoe this
year and then, like last spring,with the Idaho, we were like
north of Boise and kind of inthe mountains a little bit, but
man, it's just such a coolscenery up there like really
it's hard to like go there andnot be like man, this is
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, um so yeah, elk hunt is definitely, and I'll
tell you something else too.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I mean, you're in the clothing line business.
I mean going out to places.
Put you in situations where youcan use your gear.
Yeah, and there's a part,there's a part of you that you
get some gear and you got theperfect backpack or the perfect
pants for the the environmentyou're in.
Or you, you base layer it upright.
Or you, you, you, you, you base, layer it up just right where
(17:50):
you can shed some unpackablejacket.
Yeah, all that stuff is liketechnology to me and it just
fascinates me.
Like I'll get on my phone.
I feel like you're giving mesome ideas.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, I'm just like that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, I'll tell you how I mean if you want to pick
my brain on ideas, I tell younumber one, the biggest selling
thing you can do, and I won'ttell you online, but I guarantee
you it's a problem that I dealwith on a regular basis and I
know if I deal with it,everybody deals with it and I'll
tell you once we get off thispodcast.
I would tell you to tell me offthe clock.
(18:29):
But you know, oh yeah, yeah,but you know the gear that you
guys build and able to use it inthe field and master the.
You know, because people gohunting and they have these
issues.
They got problems with theirsocks, maybe their base layer's
too long.
You know, there's just so muchto it to make a hunter, uh,
comfortable.
Yeah, you know, the first thingyou got to do is get that dude
comfortable as possible, becausehe's going to walk 15 miles and
(18:50):
he does not want to shed abunch of weight.
You know he wants to carry inthe least amount of weight
possible, but he doesn't want tobe, you know.
You know I just got so manyideas.
This drives me crazy.
He loves this part.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, oh sure and I imagine you know again I I try
to many ideas.
It drives me crazy.
He loves his partner?
Yeah, oh sure.
And I imagine you know again, Itry to like, I try not to.
When I go, when I go, like intoShin and talk to him, I try not
to ask too much because I don'twant to.
I don't want to know too muchbecause then I feel like I'll
came out with like a you knowturkey hunt line or deer hunt
line, yet is because they weretrying to like master.
(19:22):
So they wanted they don't wantto just throw out a deer hunt
line, Just hey, we got a deerhunt line.
I think they really want to putsome thought into it and like,
hey, what, what, what is therethat is needed?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
The key factors that make it.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That make it that just gives If that means it
doesn't come out a year soonerthan what they wanted to.
I think they are willing torisk a year to make sure the
gear is better.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You know what I'm saying.
That's how you get peopleaddicted to clothing.
You make it where it's easy touse.
You make it packable, yeah, andyou make it fun, oh, absolutely
, you know, make it look good,good quality clothing.
I'm sure they got some goodstuff down the line.
I hope so too.
I'm anxious to see it.
I'm anxious to see it For sure.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
One thing talking about clothing, one thing that
y'all do, that I think y'allabsolutely kill, is what you do
for the children's waiters.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yes, the youth program.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Explain that to everybody.
Dude, that is awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, so the youth program is basically a deal and
I'm probably going gonna mess upa little bit here on this.
But basically you come in and Ithink they got I think it's
ages like four to six is onewaiter and then it's ages like
seven to eight, the secondwaiter, then I think it's like
nine to eleven, is the thirdwaiter and then the fourth
waiter is like I think I thinkat that point you're close to
(20:37):
like a size six, adult size.
But essentially what it is isyou come in and like say, if you
got a kid, you buy their waiter, and like, let's say, if you
start from the first waiter, youbuy the waiter.
I forget the price.
I want to say it's like 600bucks, maybe 700 bucks.
You buy the waiter for your kid.
Well, when he grows you cancome in and trade in that waiter
(20:58):
for the other size, and I thinkyou pay like 100 bucks.
So instead of having to alwaysbuy a new buy a new set to wait
it's like a program and I forget, I think it's.
You can trade them in.
It's either two or three timesand then on that third or fourth
time, like that's the waiterthat they got, until it's time
for them to get something else.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
So it's a it's that right I was just going to ask
you what motivated them to dothat yeah, and I would say that
would, that was it.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You know they got kids and that they know that so
they're pretty young company.
I mean, the owners are prettyyoung yeah, I mean I think you
know one of them's kid, that oneof the owners.
It's actually funny.
There's two owners that gotkids that are probably in the
range of 8 to 14, and thenthere's another owner who's got
kids that's probably in thatrate they're freshmen, sophomore
(21:49):
in college and then the otherowner's got a kid that has he's
a granddad.
So they got them all right now.
I would say that they justunderstood that there was a need
for some kind of youth programor youth waiter out there.
I don't believe there'sanything else like it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
No See, to me that makes perfect sense, because not
only is it helping everybodyaffordably, you know get their
kids into hunting, but it's youknow, it's like it's just going
to it just allows you to startthem at a younger age.
Oh, absolutely, and it's it's a.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It's a good quality.
You ain't got to worry aboutyour kid.
You know my feet are wet.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm sure that's probablyhappened once or twice, but
still.
And the kid grows up wearingthe good stuff it's absolutely
genius.
It's a good marketing deal too.
Yeah, it's a cool thing.
It's one of the coolest thingsI think they do.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know, I have John Deere tractors because my dad
had John Deere tractors.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
That's just the facts of it.
I've always shot Browningshotguns because that's what my
granddad shot, that's what mydad shot.
So like, yeah, you get a youthgrowing into like he's going to
stick around with.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Absolutely B.
Scott buys a Kubota.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm whooping have you been looking at a Kubota?
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've been looking at a Kubota well.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I mean, did your dad drive a Kubota?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
no, he didn't drive any tractors.
So I feel like I'm free.
You're a free agent you'restarting it so I need to really
think about it my dad had JohnDeere tractors but it's hard to
go wrong with green John Deere,it's hard to go wrong with green
john.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know, I'm saying it's hard to go wrong with.
Oh yeah, I love john deere man.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I mean john deere is so cool, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I mean, it is, it's cool, it's cool, it's like the
american tractor?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
no doubt, absolutely.
It's a deer.
That's right.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
We like to kill deer oh, other than we try to kill.
I wonder how many john deere'shave actually killed a deer a?
A lot Like in the Midwest, alot Like you know.
You see pictures all the timeof like it's horrible looking
too Of like 170s just laying inthe field a tractor.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I wonder how many deer A combine scooped up.
I wonder how many big deer'sbeen seen by John Deere's Like
farmers, like in a combine.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I bet they've seen.
I mean, I got buddies there outof the combine.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's all you see out there where we came from.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
DeWitt.
If you want to scout and reportthe area you're hunting, just
ask Is that where y'all fromDeWitt no, that's where we went
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Okay, yeah, we did a photo shoot out there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So y'all from Fordyce , Fordyce is that how you say it
.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
We're actually from Mal Cool, awesome.
We've been all the way up anddown Arkansas, from Mountain
View to we have both PlanetMountain View.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
We've been all over the country.
We're all over Arkansas anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
How long have y'all been here at this location?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We're about 10 or 11 years.
This will be the 11th year.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Awesome, is this your one or two podcast?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
This is technically one.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, we just started this not too long ago.
We got what 50 episodes westarted in yeah, 51.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
51.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's awesome hey.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It's starting to grow too, Getting cool people like
you on is definitely helping.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Let me say this because I tried to do a podcast.
Yeah, it's tough, it's tough toI myself and it's impossible.
Oh no, so like y'all got somegood help we got y'all got good
help behind the cameras allright.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
If they didn't show up, dude, there'd be no show.
We don't even know what to talkabout.
I don't even know how to turnthat stuff on over there, yeah
and I mean you said 51 episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean that's strong too, because I mean that's the
thing, like everyone that I'vetalked to, that uh, and I feel
like I'm I'm not trying to givey'all knowledge, I'm just
telling y'all what Someone wastelling me, what people told me.
They said like you know, heylook, you just got to keep doing
them, you just got to keepdoing them and eventually
they'll just start.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Some people say it takes seven years for it to take
off.
Really, I mean, I got to doseven years of this.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Tim are you?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
on every podcast, not every one, but you know some, a
lot of them, most of them, yeahCool, mathematically we're
going to be at 450 podcastsbefore it even takes off.
I say it, we're doing it anyway, it don't matter I say it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
No one said it was easy.
Y'all got a cool setup.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'd rather do a podcast and buff a boat.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You've done your fair share.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I've done it.
I've done my fair share ofbuffing boats.
I promise you, we used to buildthem, you know, but I'm over
that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Tim, let me ask you something what all do you, I
mean, what's your day-to-daylook like when you come to, I
guess, the Habit plant now?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, I mean, you know Brandon does a lot now
since he's grown up.
You know he's been in the boatindustry with me since he was a
baby, of course, but I usuallygo around.
I got good managers.
You know DJ's awesome and wejust got a lot of good people,
you know, in the office.
You know that's where it's at.
It's an office, but a lot oftimes I'll stay in the office
(26:25):
and I'll walk around and lookaround and everything we build a
brand new model or somethingyou know I'll get involved in
that Make sure the checkaccount's healthy, make sure the
bills are being paid.
But pretty much, you know themarketing side of it.
Havoc is we focus on thefoundation of the company for so
many, a long time Ten years,yeah, not mentioning what we did
(26:48):
before Havoc and what we didbefore that you know.
So you know we've definitelygrown into the industry we're in
today.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
But you know, the marketing side of things is what
I really like the most.
You know I like building coolboats.
You know, obviously I likebuilding boats, but the
marketing side, you know, I'mjust like kicking ass, yeah, and
I like to kick ass.
So you know, that's the way Ireally do think.
I mean, when you start sellingproduct, whether you're selling
jackets or boats or popsicle-sticks, it's all competitive.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, it's competitive for sure.
Yeah, it's all the same thing.
I know I was telling B Scottbefore like I think it's cool
that y'all are diving into likepodcasts and it seems like y'all
diving more to like thismarketing stuff, because I mean,
you know, a brand is more thanjust you know the product.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
A lot of I don't know imagining.
I don't know to be judging youfor something you're not.
We are living the Americandream.
We are blue-collar workers.
I mean, we're not nothingspecial.
We just woke up with a dream.
I love it, and a lot of peopledon't understand that the
American dream is still real.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Oh, absolutely, I'm going through it a little bit.
I'm starting it right now.
I can tell I'll tell you just alittle hint about it I'm
working on a little golf brandright now.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh yeah, are you a golfer?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, yeah, I play a bunch.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You play golf?
I haven't played.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I haven't played.
I'll go ahead and give you awarning.
I mean, I'm talking trash tohim.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Darryl's pretty serious.
Dude Darryl's pretty serious.
Is Darryl good at golf?
Dude Darryl's pretty good atgolf.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
He's pretty nice.
I've seen some videos.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Matter of fact, a dude at the boat ramp this
morning thought that I wasDarryl because the trucks, you
know, they match.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm glad you said trucks he was surprised.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
We got it Straight up , brothers, unrecognizable, and
he walked up and he was like, ohman, I was going to talk to
Daryl about golfing At the boatramp.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I was like how random is that?
I know Daryl, he plays a bunch.
I feel like he golfs a littlebit more than he fishes.
Now I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't know the last time he golfed.
He I don't know, I don't know,I don't know, I don't know the
last time he golfed.
He fishes a lot.
Yeah, he's always out therewell I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm starting a little golf deal that's gonna launch
next year that I'm excited about, so I'll I'll keep you on the
loop about it, that's cool man,that's cool.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You're gonna spread out man yeah, I mean man.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I've learned so much, feel like I'm a very creative
person and like when I startwhen I stop playing football.
That's when I started torealize, like man, like I'm very
creative and like, why not?
Like, why not just go after?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
you just wake up happy and you know, say I'm
gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, and if
you'll, I'll wake up.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'll wake up pretty happy.
I don't have to drink coffee oranything.
I'll wake.
Oh really, yeah, I don't.
I'm not a coffee drink.
How are you 28?
That might change here.
It's going to change you at 40.
Okay, all right, 40, so I got12 more years.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You got 40.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I got 40 kicks in when we need that coffee All
right, y'all's podcast needs totechnically kick off before I
start drinking coffee.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I agree, it mathematically should.
Hopefully, I think our podcastis doing pretty good.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I think it is, but it does take a long time.
But having people like you onour podcast helps us well I
appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm I'm honored to be here and I'm appreciate, uh,
you know, very thankful to getto do this and, uh, man, looking
forward to running this new,this new freedom motor I know
we've been talking about for awhile the videos and it's doing
the freedom motors, just it's.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
It's really amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, and I've been a fan of y'all's boats for such a
long time.
It's cool to see y' you knowkind of partner up and like have
this deal going Like.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I'm excited, I think it's going to be, I think it's
definitely a wave of the future,and I'm not saying that it's
100% perfect.
Yeah, but where it's going isgoing to be just.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh for sure.
Well, I mean I Shin.
They came out with their wadersyear one I'm just using Shin as
an example, because I knowthey've already.
We got a new wader called the2S.
That's like less seams in thefirst year.
So, man, things are always itnever stops, it never stops,
they never will.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I have a theory behind the freedom but, being
Scott mentioned, it's notperfect, but the little issues
we've had with the motor, it'sjust, it's been very minor.
Yeah, you know absolutely, andI'm just.
I really do think it's going togain large market share within
the next three years.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh, I mean listen, the idea and the purpose behind
it.
I mean there ain't nothing elseout there like it at all.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
It's the only thing out there right now that's
trying to move the industryforward.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
And I really think people don't really grasp that
whole idea.
See that Havoc boat is built on25-inch transom, so that motor
is actually close to 30 incheshigh.
So it's you know, people reallydon't understand what that
motor is doing until youactually see it.
Yeah.
Because, it actually cups thewater.
(31:42):
It's actually doing somethingreally crazy yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Like I was telling you earlier, like those fins
that come down when the coolantruns through, literally this
much of the fins is in the water.
That's right.
Which means that everythingabove that is above the water
and it's still got volume ofwater that the prop is spinning.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes, it's holding a water volume that is above the
water level.
It's crazy.
So if you put a tape measure onit, so you know, and I need to
tell people this, but if youtake a standard 2-I-2 motor and
you take the Freedom motor andyou put them side to side, put a
tape measure from the bottom ofthe fin to the ground, the
Freedom is actually going to beeight inches, nine inches higher
(32:22):
, so there's not much in thewater.
Yeah, and a lot of people don'tunderstand it, a lot of people
still think it's an outboard,right, but it's a closed loop
cooling system.
Yeah, and that fin is holdingwater in there and it's turning.
It's really crazy.
Yeah, it's insane how it'sworking.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I hope we send you a picture tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And it's only going to get better.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I hope to send you a picture tomorrow of the Freedom
Boat with a bunch of mallards onit.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Oh, absolutely, that's the plan yeah, it's going
to be so sweet, you're goingnot gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm not gonna tell him you.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Just, you just go put the mallet.
I'm excited.
I didn't even see your boat.
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
See, I wasn't timmy don't know what's going on I
wasn't walking around readingpapers.
I was in office.
Oh man, yeah, I'm excited, it'sgonna be fun absolutely, man.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, I appreciate you coming, dude man, this is
awesome dude.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Thank y'all, and this won't be the first time I come
no man, absolutely you guys comebring.
Yeah, I'll come hop on anytimeand we'll get some more people
on and it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It'll be a fun next couple years, absolutely, man.
Well, I hope you absolutelyslaughter the ducks the rest of
the season.
Send me some pictures, I'llsend you some.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'll forward it to B Scott.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I'll send them to y'all are horrible man nah, I
appreciate it guys, anyways,guys, listen, go check out the
gear.
Guys.
In Stuttgart, arkansas, this isinsane, alright.
Beautiful color, beautifulpatterns.
You know it is the heart ofArkansas, stuttgart.
If you're an Arkansas waterfowlhunter, this is, this is a
place you gotta check out.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Ain't no reason buying camo anywhere else.
If you're killing ducks inArkansas, that else, and killing
ducks and arkasaur, that'sright, I see it, and come check
out, come check out the boatshere.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, I'm talking about come on, I'm talking about
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