JAMES WOOD | Ep053 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
it's five o'clock and you're off the clock with beast
guy.
Now today we have james woodwith us.
Now.
He's a mutual friend throughotis from the aba.
He said you need to get thisguy on here.
He used to be a bull rider,crazy awesome dude and he's an
absolute killer.
So I've heard a little bit ofstories about this guy.
He's kind of a he's special.

(00:20):
I don't really know how to putmy finger on it.
This dude, he's got a lot goingon.
I've seen alligators and somehogs, deer wood arrows, homemade
bows.
This guy's got a lot going onand, uh, I'm ready to pick his
brain.
I'm sure he's got some stories.
Anyway, let's get right into it.
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(00:43):
Man, thank you for coming today.
My pleasure.
Thank y'all.
You're an interestingindividual.
All right for one traditionalbow making and arrows.
So there's people shoot recurvebows and stuff, but not many
people that are slinging youknow, wooden arrows that they
made themselves.
Yeah, so tell me a little bitabout yourself, how you got into

(01:03):
it, and just man, give me aspill, well uh I am just turned
47 and I've been hunting since Iwas a little peewee.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, when I was six or eight years old, my
parents would take me down tosouth george and drop me off at
my great uncle and he'd fix meold pillowcase with biscuits, oh
yeah, a canteen of water, andtake me five miles down the road
and drop me off with a 22.
That's where I learned to huntsquirrels I mean squirrels,

(01:37):
quail, whatever you know and Iloved it.
That's.
That's how I got into hunting.
And uh, it just evolved fromthere, you know, to rifle, to
compound.
I started compound hunting whenI was in middle school, killed
my first deer when I was inseventh grade.
I think, oh heck, yeah, and I,I, uh, bow hunted ever since, uh

(01:59):
, and but back in them days whengun season come in, I'd hang
the rifle, right, I'd hang thebow up, just you go rifle yeah,
you know back then, but uh, Ithink when uh in in 1999 I
joined the marine corps, I wentout, I got sent to hawaii.
That was my first duty stationand was in hawaii.

(02:21):
Yeah, I went out there with asea bag and I had my compound
shipped out there within a weekreally and I man, I killed pigs,
wild goats out there with a con.
I mean, that's what I did.
If I wasn't doing that, I wasspirited.
So you're hunting the wholeyour whole life, man oh hun's
been a big part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
This is my passion.
Yeah, it's in your DNA.
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, so you was in the Marines.
How long were you in theMarines?
Five years active and I didthree in the Reserve.
Got off active in 2004.
Thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It was my pleasure and you're a bull rider.
Otis told me you was a bullrider.
Yeah, what a resume.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, back then you was trying to prove to
everybody you was tough, that'show you did it, huh.
That's what you wanted to bethe toughest, the baddest boy on
the block, you know young anddumb the whole time.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
you're just killing stuff.
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All right, we'll get back intoit, but uh, so what?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
happened to your bull riding career.
Well, uh, I mean, uh, I startedout riding bulls as a dare and
that's where I met otis.
Y'all call him otis, I call himbuckshot.
Oh really, yeah, they'reprobably a story that was his
call their ass bit story behindthat.
Oh yeah, that was.
That was his rodeo call name,that was his buckshot.

(03:54):
Yeah, he told me when he quitriding bulls that that name kind
of went went to bed with it.
You know he always be buckshotto me it don't sound like you,
you know.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Stop calling him buckshot to me.
It don't sound like you, youknow.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Stop calling him buckshot, I ain't I hadn't
talked to him in over 20 yearstill he saw me on a podcast or
on a youtube video with a guynamed jason sam kowiak oh yeah,
I was deboning the hog in avideo and and ob brian whatever
y'all call him brian, right,what y'all?
call yeah um, he reached out tome otis, yeah, yeah, otis.

(04:29):
He's like is this the jameswood that rode this and this and
that bull and that bull?
And I was like, yeah, it's me.
And then we had a littlereunion there and I mean we've
been communicating ever since,yeah, but I got started bull
riding as a dare, dare, huh andI am.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
So you're one of those guys.
Get dared and you just doanything back, then I would yeah
, well, you remember you stilldo that, no no, I'm a little bit
smarter now really yeah Imeasured the risk reward
slightly back then it was worthit.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, back then it was worth it.
Yeah, back then it was worth it.
So let's get into what you'redoing currently, right, making
your bows, your arrows.
Walk me through that.
What got you into that?
Because I know you said whydon't?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
you make your arrows.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Whenever you was a middle schooler you could first
deer.
You compound bow hunting.
When did you get into thetraditional bow hunting?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Four years ago I got in the trad and, uh, my first,
my first year I was working inflorida so I didn't get to hunt
much at all.
I got three deer that year andthat was with a, a bear, super
grizzly, 45 pound recurve withcarbon arrows.
And in the next year I had abig Jim mountain monarch, big
Jim bow companies in Albany,georgia, south of where I live,
and I could actually go downthere and meet him.
That's cool and he builds bowsthere.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
So did you get into traditional hunting because it
was more challenging.
Yeah, because it was kind oflike a little tougher, because
you know at that point you donekilled tons of deer.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, the compound just kind of got to where I
wasn't getting the.
It was kind of automatic.
I know how that sounds, butdon't take it the wrong way, but
it was.
It was just the same, pretty,pretty automatic, right.
I mean, I hadn't shot a deerover 25 yards in four years with
a compound.
I was getting close already,right.
So I just kind of wantedsomething different.
You know, and and uh, I gothearing about traditional

(06:33):
archery on podcast stuff and I Igot into it, uh.
So I had, uh, my first yearwith that big Jimbo.
I killed a dozen deer with it.
And then during the springtimea buddy of mine gave me a piece
of Osage log and I had two olderfellas kind of mentor me in

(06:57):
building that bow and got itbuilt.
And the first time I drew itback it cracked.
We put a deer sinew raft on it,off the deer backstrap and let
it sit for four days.
Things ugly, nasty, crooked.
And I hunted with it for a fullseason and it was the most

(07:17):
gratifying hunting I've everdone.
Oh, yeah.
I mean hunting with somethingyou built.
You carved out of a log youknow, built the string for it
Right right, got a big crack onit with deer sinew wrapping
holding it together.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
That's grinding, I mean.
So you build this stuff, foryou know, and I asked you like,
why don't you build your arrows?
So not only you build your bow,but you want to build your
arrows too?
Yeah, so you just do thatbecause it's different.
Yeah, so you just do thatbecause it's different just the
the main reason I like woodarrows are they're?

(07:54):
They're quieter off the boat,okay, and so there's a reason
why you do it too.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah and uh, not just to be different, no, I mean the
, the.
When you're shooting a slow bow, you need a quiet bow.
You know, yeah, you know, howdeer are yeah, right, right
right right.
Uh, I found out the first year.
I shot a few those three deerwith carbons during the summer.
I was like man, these woods arethe way to go.
And uh, my first few.
My buddy, foster, came built meand then I ended up building my

(08:17):
own.
You know, schlater, I get to.
I ordered a wood shafts, rightokay, all, okay All right From
from uh.
They're out from out uh inOregon, I think it's where uh.
Sherwood shafts is.
So he sends me to bear shafts.
Oh, I got you, and then I I'll.
All I do is I fletch them,either with natural Turkey
fletchings, cut off the wing, orordered.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
But I won't.
That's wild.
Yeah, that is man.
It's so cool like everybodywants to do that.
Yeah, everybody wants to dothat.
I don't know if everybody wantsto do that.
I don't know if everybody knowshow to do that that's cool,
though everybody on the bucketlist it's a bow hunter, like you
know.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I want to kill on the recurve one day everybody wants
to, yeah, but how many guys doyou know that that does?
It goes that extreme with it.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, I mean no hardly none.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
That's a special individual, zero, I mean you
gotta be, you gotta be a littlebit off is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I wasn't gonna say you had a loose screw or nothing
I'll put it to you this way.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean this you know, 30 yards with a compound, it's
dead right right 30 yards with atraditional bow.
You need 15 more yards you'revery, you're very.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I bet you're a very patient person.
You've got to be.
I mean, I could tell you are,because I could just see myself
carving out a bow.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I just I wouldn't be very patient no that no, no I
would not be either that firstone I built I had 44 hours in it
man, four hours.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
that explains why he kills me too.
You're just a patient person,mm-hmm, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
When you with this traditional stuff.
I mean last week I gotimpatient shot.
One hit it in the scapula,couldn't find it.
I should have waited, and whenthat deer run off I was like I
would have never took that shotin an urban situation.
Why did I take it here in thebig woods?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You know it's a mistake I made you know, and why
do you think you made thatmistake?
I was in, the deer was in thereand when I literally just
flinched a little bit and theback was to me and he jumped, I
should have never shot at himbecause he's already nervous.
You know it's a doe, but uh,anyway it run.
I think deer still lie.
I never found a drop of blood,nothing, you know, that's good.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, because I mean shooting traditional bow.
I mean the arrow's moving alittle slow.
Oh yeah, so if it ain't rightin the pocket, 170 foot's a
smoking trad bow.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
170 foot a second's a smoker, you know yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
That, that's crazy, wow yeah and uh, that's what
you're shooting the one your bowyou made, yeah, my bow.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
My bows average about 170 how many.
How many pounds is it on thedraw?
Most of the ones I shoot, thebows I'm shooting right now 50
50 is the lightest.
I like 50 to 57 pounds in thereand a 50 pound trad bows kind
of equivalent to like a 70-poundcompound.
Right, you know, with a tradbow your standard is measured at

(11:13):
28 inches, so most of your bowswill say 45 at 28.
But every inch more you drawpast 28, you're adding about
three pounds.
Basically, and I got about a 29and a half inch draw.
So on your arrows.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
What do you use?
Uh, broadhead wise for for deer.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
This year I started playing with these simmons tree
sharks which are about a fixedblade, two inch head couldn't
like throwing a hatchet at them,so it's like a real wide.
How long is it?
Pretty long, yeah, they're.
They're real narrow and wide atthe back.
So you know they cut in theregood, but for hogs I like the
little old a standard.
That's my go-to hog head.

(11:56):
They're 44 for six.
You don't cry when you losethem right.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well, I gotta just say, I mean, you ever see
yourself just making a uh, aarrowhead?
Oh, I mean, that's the nextstep.
I wouldn't.
Wouldn't you think?
I mean, if you made the bow,you made the arrow.
Did you kill the turkey to makethe flitches?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
no, I did not.
Uh, you skipped a step.
The turkey is the only thingbig game.
I hadn't killed in georgia witha self bow a turkey I haven and
that's hard now.
Oh yeah, and I'm not a turkeyhunter so, so.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
So, b scott, you're talking about making broadheads.
I mean, are you, are you makingthe uh, broadheads?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
tapping points.
No, I, no, I buy my broadheads,I'm, I shoot the.
Uh, you know, steel heads glueon just hot milk, glue them on
the.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I got you whatever oh , you glue them on the arrow.
Yeah, that's crazy, that'scrazy how much your arrow weight
.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
My average arrow weighs about 680, yeah, 660 to
680 you ever get bored.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
You ever get bored with it.
I mean, what's your next thing?
What's the next thing you'regonna?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
do you're?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
gonna spear hunt, yeah.
If to spear hunt, no, I don't,that can't.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's illegal in georgia to spear hunt?
Oh, yes, you do it here inarkansas.
Yeah, I could have spearedseveral deer this year, right
over.
My next thing is to kill areally good buck I've been.
What's your biggest buck you'vekilled with your bow?
With a bow, uh, probably 120,120, yeah, yeah, ever.

(13:26):
I'm not a trophy hunter.
I mean every trophy I've everkilled, just the first one that
showed up, you know my trophieslook like I do that you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I don't say way, I don't feel big deer either when
you pick up that trad bowanything inside that brown is a
trail.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, a bound is a trad bow.
Yeah, I guarantee it is.
I guarantee it is.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I bet you're so pumped up to you.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
This is the first year I quit shooting button
heads.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I mean literally.
I hear you Ava Stats, ava Stats, how old are?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
you again, I'm talking with a trad bow, yeah
yeah, yeah, I hear you the lastfew years.
Buttonhead, come in.
There I was sticking him.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
They don't count toward our bucks.
Low-hanging fruit, low-hangingfruit, them button bucks are a
lot less cautious Grocery storebaby Talking about turning the
ribs ain't that hard.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, you won't get busted near as bad with a young
deer Good eating.
Yeah, I got to get them bigbucks.
They got to be something wrongwith them, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now this year, oh yeah, this year I let a 130,
maybe mid-135 walk Seven steps.
Got it on video, it's on my ohreally.
How come you let it walk?
For I done shot two bucks.
Oh wow, yeah, I done shot mytwo bucks, I shot a.
That's why he let it walk.
He don't let it walk.
He wasn't going to let it walk.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
No, he wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Hey, that thing, that's the hardest thing I ever
had to do in my life, oh really.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I mean, it was hard.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
It was hard.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It was hard to watch that deer.
Was you upset, nah?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I was like, hmm, picked my cell phone up, I had
to go pro roll and I picked mycell phone up just videoing.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
That way I didn't pick my bow up.
Oh man, you know, oh man.
So what's the craziest thingyou've killed with a bow?
Uh, with a track.
I mean, I killed a bear.
I've killed three bear withtraditional archery.
Wow, uh, but the gator, thegator I killed this year killed
a gator with a bow.
Yeah, yeah, that's the pictureright there.
Yep, all wood arrows.
That was my bow fishing reel.
That Campbell soup can.
Where'd you shoot it at?
In the back of the head?

(15:33):
That's a soup can I shot it likefour times?
That's a Campbell soup can.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, that's what the so you basically like bow fish.
You kind of turned your arrowinto a bowfish arrow.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, that's a wooden arrow right there.
I noticed you wear a Sika.
Yeah yeah, you got a reallynice Sika.
That's crazy to me, though.
You make all your hunting stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
To me.
He's wearing a Sika and he'smaking his own bows and stuff.
It's like a mixture ofeverything.
He's a unique individual.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
If you're a, you know people.
I hear all kind of crap aboutyou.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Wouldn't believe what kind of crap you hear sitka,
this sitka, that you know well,you know if you're a bow hunter,
those shirts, those tops,they're designed by bow hunters
for bow hunters.
The arms are tight too, youdon't get all this, even with
the insulation you don't get allright.

(16:28):
I mean if I can get a piece ofclothing that'll keep me out
there longer comfortable that'sright I'm gonna, I'm gonna get
it.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's right, that's right you know, I mean, I wasn't
a big sicker guy either until Istarted wearing it.
I tried it and once I tried it,my.
This stuff is designed for this.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh, that shirt right there, that that insect, the
shield shirt yeah oh, you won'tlast very long without that.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
In swamp center in georgia I can only imagine those
mosquitoes got you know cleatson.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, serious the first time I took that thing to
the swamp.
I got back and I ordered threemore of them.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, you got the gloves too, yeah, and the gloves
, do you wear the face shield?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
and everything.
When I start on the actualstalk on a hog, I pull that face
shield.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, you talking about the.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Equinox, yeah, the Equinox pants.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yep, that's good stuff.
We got the pants, and we gotthe hoodies and the gloves and
all that stuff for turkeyhunting it does good.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I don't know how that stuff works.
How's it work?
It's just the material, the waythat material is built.
They just can't stick that.
What's that thing called?
They stick that, uh that oldsticker the needle sucker, let's
get his nose.
They can't stick their suckerthrough that pen through there
and get.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah, the clothing line is amazing, uh,
the equinox is amazing, but sohe shot that thing right behind
that right, a little soft spot.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
What they say?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
on top of the head and I shot that thing like four
times the guy like yeah, youwould tell us that time.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, tell us that part yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
So that actually that hunt was first time I ever got
on a havoc boat, really, yeah.
So my buddy lives in there ontybee island and he's got a.
We were gonna go up this areathat we we hog hunt a lot, but
hurricane helene come in thereand you couldn't get in there.
I mean it was devastating onthat part and there are trees

(18:20):
everywhere.
So we end up going with afellow named logan, a good
friend of my buddy trey's, anduh, he just had bought a havoc.
It's like the second time it'dbeen in the water and he had a
1553.
Oh yeah, vjst.
Oh yeah, that's it.
And four grown men got in thatthing and we go gator hunting

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and I'm like this thing's sick,wow, I haven't got a loaded down
too.
Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I wassmallest one on the boat.
You know I'm talking about somebig boys on, that's right.
And uh, so we hunted in thatthing that night, got flooded on
, I mean had to pull up.
We were standing under a littlecanoe where they had some

(19:01):
canoes on a public ramp.
We were like huddled up undercanoes and in the flood, but uh,
I, I was so impressed I comeback home and started looking
for used ones.
And that's when I I told otis,I said man, I said I'm trying to
find me one of them, used havocboats.
I said I hunted out of one ofthose things and I was so

(19:24):
impressed and he's like yeah, hesaid I know the guys that build
them things.
I was like really, yeah, smallworld, huh, yeah, I mean that's
wild.
Otis is like the matchmaker.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, he is, I will say that, otis, he knows
buckshot, he knows everybody, heknows everybody, he remembers
everything.
He knows everybody, heremembers.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I can't even keep up with it.
I mean, we got this littlegroup chat thing.
Oh my, oh man.
Who's this?
Oh man, oh man, oh man.
He's just like holy cow, oh heknows everybody.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
He's a busy man.
He might be a politician whenhe gives up his career.
You think so.
He might run for office as manypeople as you know.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
He knows everybody ain't nobody, you don't know so
tell me all right.
So right now, you know it'sduck season here in arkansas,
deer season still season.
So what, what are you doingright now?
What are you, what are yougoing after?
What's your plans like?
What do you have?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
we have cooking up well, right now I need I need
two more does to be completelytagged out.
Georgia we get 10 does and 10does.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, yeah, you get 10 does.
And what two bucks 12 deer yeah, 12 deer in georgia it keeps
you busy.
That's why you live in georgia.
Oh yeah, hey, you'd done moveif it was like two deer wouldn't
you?
I'd at least go buy a georgialicense I hear you, god, it's a
lot of deer.
Y'all got a lot of deer downthere, I know.
Well, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Certain areas I mean the area I live is I got more
public land in the county I livethan private.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I used to live in.
Is it all swamp?
No, is it.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I live just above where the swamps start.
I had to drive at least an hourand a half to get to the
closest and you enjoy going outthere and hunting on the swamp.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's my favorite hunting by far.
Do you do it all by boat or youjust walk around out there?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
how do you do it?
99 by boat.
Yeah, you're going after pig,huh.
Yeah, yeah, I'd go out thereand I'll, you know, launch the
boat, get out there and I'll hitit on the bank and get out,
make me a big loop.
If I don't see no fresh sign, Iget back in the boat and move
up and make another loop, right.
So you're looking for a sign atthat point.
I'm looking for mainly tracksand fresh rooting.

(21:31):
When I see what I like, then Ijust, you know, the next loop
might be five miles, six miles,you know, but I just start with
the little loops.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
So you're just walking around.
How do you hunt them out there?
What is your strategy?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Try to keep the wind in your face and just walk Are
you stalking.
Yeah, I'll spot and stalk onthe ground.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Oh, okay, I see.
Yeah, I'm not going to sit forno hog he's spotting stalking
hogs in the swamp.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, yep, what is this?
You got swamp.
Yeah, yep, what is this.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
you got a video yeah, this is a crazy hunt right here
.
Oh, I see a little piggy piggy,piggy, piggy holy cow oh, watch
that stump, oh watch that stump.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
One right there looking at you.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Oh my God, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
What.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Just a bit outside.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
You're going to have to make some more arrows.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Ooh Ooh.
What in the world is going on?
You pull that one back, get it,get it.
That's what I was thinking.
So how many pigs you get onthat?

(23:22):
What in the world.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Let's start from the beginning.
You're not just walking around.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
So you're just walking through the woods and
you've seen the pigs.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
so I was trying to get to the very back of that
swamp, that that particularproperty, uh, that that's a
piece of public ground ingeorgia and, uh, I, I was
wanting to go back there.
We were in crazy floodconditions.
I was wanting to get back thereand see if I could find a few
high spots, yeah.

(23:56):
And about halfway back to whereI was wanting to go, I was like
the heck with this, I'm notgonna make it, you know, yeah,
and I was actually walking backto the boat and I heard a pig
squeal, yeah, and I was likewhat in the world, where was
that?
I knew it was close, so I justpulled out my binoculars.
I'm standing there justglassing and I saw that log from

(24:19):
about 80 yards and I seen thatred one laying on it.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
so, so they were all just so, so that whole area
right there, like I had watereverywhere.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh, they were just laid up on that water come up so
fast that that was the onlything they had to get on.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know, right there really yeah, so so you snuck up
to the, did you like?
I mean as hard as sneakingwater when you're walking
through water would it tookabout an hour, but they weren't
going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, they were staying on the log.
So as soon as I see them, firstthing I did check the wind and
I'm like I can't go this way.
I got to loop all the way back,so I looped up, holy crap.
The whole time you're trying.
I got on on hip waders tryingto keep them from filling up.
So you tippy toe and using I'musing my bow as a and uh.

(25:13):
I kept that stump in between usbut at the last minute I had to
kind of get out from behind itand on the way there I heard
some other pigs squeal, so Iknew there was more than one,
but I didn't.
I had no idea they were all inthat stump until I shot that
first one.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So they were all okay , were they, because at first in
the video we just seen that oneon the stump, the red one,
that's all I saw.
Were they all inside of that?
They were.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
The rest of those were huddled up on each other in
that big root ball.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Holy crap man.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
You know what's crazy is, I cut the camera on and off
so much on that stalk because Ididn't want the battery to die.
So after that happened, when Igot back to the truck, I
couldn't find the video in my.
I hook it to my phone.
You know how you go back andlook at you.
I said, uh, nobody's gonnabelieve this nobody no, I got
home and found it and I saidthank you, lord, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Imagine if you didn't hit hit replay.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Oh, I've got crossed up on that several times you get
the wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, you're getting on the wrong wave there, you
missed the whole, thing, yeah.
And only all the cool stuffhappens when you mess up.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, the biggest buck I shot this year.
I got it.
I hadn't seen a deer, you knowI really wasn't expecting to see
nothing, but I went and, uh, Iwent in there with a battery 44%
and I got extra batteries.
I didn't change it.
I got in a lockdown with a doeand shot the biggest buck I shot

(26:43):
this year at seven steps,walking right, you know and
missed the shot.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
So when you're hunting deer, are you on the
ground or are you up?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
in a stand.
Yeah, I hunt them from a standRight, is it?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
like a lock-on.
Is it easier to do out of alock on?
I imagine, probably be kind ofhard.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, anything else I hunted out of a saddle for
years, till this year, but thisyear it started hurting my my
right.
I broke my right foot and ankleand I got a hip injury well,
this goes back to the bullriding.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
This word bull riding , well riding comes in.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, actually no, I broke my hip and ankle pushing
some cows up on a side-by-side.
They cut out a herd and I cutwith them and the thing flipped
over and broke my foot and ankleHorrible and my hip.
My wife's cousin come over fromCalifornia to deer hunt so I
was trying to find him somewhereto rifle hunt.

(27:38):
Climbed up in this old shootinghouse there was a tree growed
up over the roof.
I went to push it up just whereI could open the door and the
step broke.
That's how I hurt my hip oh,good lord yeah, so yeah, that's
my bull riding.
Injuries is hand, ribs, knees,you know.
No, I broke this old big nosefour or five times.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
You proved, you was the toughest though.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
What'd you do?
I mean, besides your militarycareer and your bull riding,
anything else you did?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
All I ever did before I joined the Marine Corps was
farm.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Right, you're a farmer.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Hay and cows.
Yeah, I worked for a guy and Imean the reason I farmed, the
reason I wanted to do that, isfor the hunting, you know, to
get more places to hunt.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
He's ate up with it, he loves it, he loves it, I'll
guarantee you.
So your favorite thing, deerhunting.
Is it deer hunting?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Hog, guarantee you so your favorite thing, deer
hunting.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Is it deer hunting?
Hog, favorite hogs hunting, Ilike the.
I like the bear hunting innorth georgia too.
This first year I had no, Ididn't get a bear.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I missed one, you still got two does kill.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, you better get back at it.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm telling you I'm running out of time I got it but
in so in alabama you kill onedeer a day, right?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I think so, yeah, so where do you live in Georgia,
right above Macon?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
See, I lived in Fort Benning Georgia.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh yeah, Columbus.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
I hunt down there at Fort Stewart a lot In Phoenix
City.
See, we used to go to Alabamaside to kill a deer a day.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, back when I was younger.
There's a lot of hogs atBenning.
Yeah, there's a lot of hogs atBenning.
Yeah, fort Benning had a lot ofhogs, and Fort Stewart's a good
place too.
Was this one of the bugs youkilled this year?
That's the one.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I let walk.
Yeah, oh man, sad he had alittle bit of mass on him.
Yeah, he did.
He's a good bug.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, he's going to be a really good one.
His left main beam broke offnow, so he would make it.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
He's got good ones too yeah, you shot a button buck
instead of that one didn't you?
That's what happened.
You shot the first thing toshow up.
I didn't, I didn't shoot anydang, I let this one walk now,
is that what happened?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
no, I hadn't shot any button bucks this year, okay
he's just taunting you.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I'm trying to set you up.
How often does that happenuntil you just have a big
shooter buck just sitting underthere eating.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
It won't happen again , because I'll have a tag to the
last he done learned his lesson.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
He's going to let that spike walk.
That's a nice buck.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
It is a nice buck.
He got a lot of mash.
He can.
That's a nice buck.
It is a nice buck, he got a lotof mass.
You can tell he's an older buck.
See what I do?
I do it opposite, and I alwayscut myself short too.
So what I do is I'm like well,I can't shoot another buck
because I got to have one bucktag in case the big buck comes
out.
Well, what happens is I eat thetag every year.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, I'll eat the tag before I let that happen
again.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm telling you, man, I do that all the time.
I'm like, all right, I got onetag left.
It has to be, you know, a goodbuck, a really good buck, and
I'll sit there, and I'll sitthere and I'll pass you know
decent bucks, and then I eat thetag.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Well, tim asked me what was my next thing to do.
My next thing to do is kill abig one with that sting, are you
?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
going to do it in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, all I hunt.
I mean I love the state that Ilive in, you know.
I mean we've got some reallybig deer.
I mean you look at Georgia.
We've got more boon andcrockets in Georgia than all our
neighboring states combined.
I mean there's some big, bigdeer in Georgia, in North

(31:13):
Georgia All over, really.
I mean like anywhere else.
Big deer in Georgia, In NorthGeorgia All over, really.
I mean like anywhere else.
Some counties are better thanothers, but like Fulton and
DeKalb around Atlanta, you takethe rifle out of the equation
completely.
You can grow some big deer upthere and you wouldn't believe
the places they live.

(31:33):
Yeah, I mean you see Lee Ellisand what he kills up there year
after year after year they are,they're there, so you hunt deer
all over and play.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
You know neighborhoods and yeah, I don't
just need traditional archery inthe urban.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yes, you do.
You do it there as well.
Yes, the only thing I'd do sowhat do?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
uh?
I mean, how hard is it to killa deer in the neighborhood?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Compared to the big woods, Like if you had to
compare them hand in hand, youknow what's different about them
.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well, everybody thinks city deer is stupid.
You know, you can.
You can walk around in thebackyard where they're used to
seeing people.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, nevermind, I'll leave that one out.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
But when you, when, when you get, when you step out
there and get in a tree yeahit's a whole, another it's.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
It's different, so you're not supposed to be there.
Yeah, so you'd be killing deer,like in people's front yards
and stuff, or backyards, andI've got a couple places.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's super tight.
I take a couple buddies overthere, uh, put them out and
they're like no, ain't, no way,you've lost your mind, you know
so you'd be.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
So you go out here and you bait, you bait, you
throw bait out here.
I, I corn and nut grub orsomething.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, I do I really.
Last year I didn't at all.
This year I'm trying to getthem up there as close as I can
where I can be really selectiveabout my shot angle.
Yeah, and that that's the mainreason that I don't get me wrong
.
I ain't about that ain't theonly reason that they draw them,

(33:06):
but it puts the odds in myfavor to get a good shot right
with that bow right, because youcan't just take, you know,
questionable shots.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
No, you don't have the speed you don't have.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, up there, you, you got to hammer them, you know
I mean that right there, thatvideo right there is as good as
you could possibly ask for ohyeah, okay look at that backyard
.
Yeah, my truck's like 20 yardsfrom where that deer piled up

(33:42):
right there.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I didn't even notice the house at first.
Dude, you are in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, there's another one right behind what was that
one go ahead and play thatrandom one that particular spot
is unreal.
I don't think I've ever satthere, not seen deer bait or no
bait right november 15th, backin my the same spot I was at

(34:07):
this morning where I had all thebucks chasing the does and so
do you see big bucks in theurban spots?

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Like are they?
Do you see?
Like, when there is an olderbuck there, are they bigger than
you see them in the big woods?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I've seen more four-year-olds since 20, in 2019
, since I started hunting urbanthan I've seen my whole life
enjoying the hunt.
Yeah, really yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
That's what I've heard.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I've heard it's like that it's just because there's
no pressure on them well, you,you know, the main thing up
there is you don't have any gun,so the only way they're going
to get killed by a hunter or bya car, right, you know so.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm sure the insurance company loves you guys
.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
The what you know urban hunting.
It's like you.
It's like you're poaching,because you don't want nobody
else to know you're.
You know you don't want theneighbors, you don't want to.
You got to be under the radar.
I mean, I can see that you'vegot to make the shot because you
can't have a deer runningthrough there.
Oh, yeah that's another goodthing about wood arrows, by the

(35:10):
way.
You're not gonna have a deerlaying in somebody's yard with
arrow poking out.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Arrows gonna break as soon as it hits something
really, if that was to happen.
Right, yeah, right, man there'sa whole another seven.
Has that ever happened to you,though?
You shoot a deer and it run outto the, to the?
No, I like if I knocked on thewood, but it could.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
My next shot could very well happen.
You know they move, especiallywhen these leaves get off the
trees.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Man those deer radar, they get nuts, do you feel like
you're breaking the law, likewhen you're out there in the
urban you got house everywhere.
I mean you feel kind of likeyou're like under, like I know
you gotta feel like okay, likeon uneasy, almost what really
freaks you out is when, like theneighbor right behind you,
comes walking towards you.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, and you'd like squirrel up to that tree Like
you're hiding.
You know, and uh you, oh God,is she coming out here to?
I mean, you got permission.
Yes, you, do you do, but theneighbors might not know it.
They you never know what you'redealing with with the other
neighbors and most of thesepeople don't know their
neighbors nowadays.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I got you Well hell, they don't even talk to each
other?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Have you ever had someone come up on you and get
into it?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
That's what we got Facebook for.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Not yet.
The only thing I've had happenwas I shot a buck two years ago,
no more than that.
This was probably the last buckI shot with a compound.
That was probably five yearsago and I had a red light on and
I was gutting the deer.
I had a four-acre block of woodsbehind these houses and as I'm

(36:44):
dragging it to the truck, I comeout and I hit a power line and
I go to the street, walk downthe power line, hit the street
and the power line's grass it'snice sod and all that stuff and
uh, I'm jet sledding this deerto my truck, you know, and
there's a lady sitting theretaking pictures of my tag and

(37:05):
everybody in this neighborhood,this particular neighborhood,
knows I'm deer hunting,everybody knows but her, and
she's done, called the policeand uh, she, she, she went a
little nuts on me.
I had to.
I played it cool.
You know, the cops come four,four, four, dekab county police

(37:27):
come in there, oh yeah, and theystart talking her to them like
y'all, they want to talk aboutthe deer, you know.
Oh, they're like this is sweetyou can do this.
You know she's raising cane,having a hissy fit.
I was shining a red laserthrough her living room window.
She's got kids and single momand I told her.

(37:48):
I said lady, I said I'm the oneyou want behind your house, you
know.
Know, that's right, I'm notthat guy.
If I see some guy back here,I'm going to handle it, you know
.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Mm-hmm, so you're doing YouTube video, you're
making YouTube video.
Where can people find?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
you.
Oh, at gunghobos, a little A Atgunghobos.
That's my YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
You're sweet, you seem gungho, you, gung-ho bows.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
that's my no bow to check.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Just wait, you seem gung-ho.
I've seen like a very humbleperson.
Yeah, I use down the earth.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, humble, I like you.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
How long you been married since I won 2001.
2001 how I met my wife.
How's that giving her unclehogs in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
You got your Hawaiian woman.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, my wife's actually Filipina.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Really yeah.
I mean, does she hunt with you?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
No, she don't hunt.
She did a few times in Hawaii.
Really Can't convince her.
Well, we had a big fight in thewoods one day.
She's making too much noise.
I kept saying, shh, are you up,bear, alone?
So she grabbed a tree and shookit.
Let me tell you something I'lltell you what I did?
Is that all she did?
She shook that tree and boy, Igot hot.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Oh yeah, you missed a hunter.
Yeah, well, that could havebeen biggest.
Whatever you know, you neverknow what's going to run into
you.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I uh, I saddle hunting with my wife for the
first time this year and she'snever saddle hunted and I could
tell she was a little nervous.
You know, and I you know I'vebeen saddle hunting it don't
bother me to swing around on theropes and stuff but I told her
I said, just get back in yourpractice, draw back your bow and
everything and just practice.
Well, she was leaning back andshe she drew back and she was

(39:31):
barely getting off the platform.
So I just put, put my hand onher.
That just kind of pushed herback a little bit.
Boy, she was like a wet cat.
I mean, shit went everywhere.
Damn Bo went forward, she wentto yelling and it was like it
was a broken arrow, like dude,calm down, you're still tied to
the tree.
Just helping you.
You're still tied to the tree.

(39:52):
Quit yelling at me.
We're supposed to be deerhunting, but yeah, it's hard to
get a woman up in that situation.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I don't understand it , do they?
My wife?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
she went twice with me, but she makes some good
dishes out of all this stuff.
I keep, well, yeah, I mean,yeah, women cook good, don't
they?
But they ain't built for thiskind of stuff.
Some are, though.
Mine's not no I hear you, Ihear you.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Running through the swamp shooting hogs spot
stalking.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
You got a crazy story Wood arrows.
You're like an old country boythat's humble, that has all
these wild stories and buildingyour own arrows for some reason.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
But you got cool camo you know, yeah, I mean really
think about it, like some of thestuff you've done, I mean that
we've seen you do like ifsomebody was telling somebody
else about it, they'd be like,oh, there ain't no way, there
ain't no way he made all that up.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
You know what I mean.
It took a good bit ofconvincing from a few guys that
I'm really close with to uh pickup this camera, you know,
because that ain't really me,you know.
Right, right, uh, it's I cansee that camera makes it a lot
harder, even though it's a goproon your head.
What'd you get?

(41:05):
You get nervous with the camera, or are you just?
I don't know.
I just I'm getting better at ityeah you go back and look at
some of the first videos I madeand it's just like how many
followers.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
You got how many followers they got?
You got quite a few followerson YouTube.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
That's like 16, 15, 1600.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, 16, 1600 is what it is, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I've seen it on the last video.
I was just wondering.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
you know, no, you definitely Having a carry-around
camera gear batteries making itcharge dumping the SD card.
It does add a step to the game,yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's, you know, and you're trying.
There's plenty of times youknow.
I could just add you know, Imean with these whitetails,
right now, this time of year, ifyou don't see them coming and
reach up there and hit thatbutton on that gopro, you lie,
would not you?
Lie to get pinned down, not beable to do it, you know there's
a lot of your followers on yours.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I mean they do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You do most of my most of my followers are uh, you
know how you can go to thatanalytics?
Most of my followers are 50years old.
Really very young.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
There's a lot of the older guys to hunt.
Like you hunt, you think it'sthe older guy versus the
compound younger guy stuff well,most of the older guys are, are
.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
they're a lot more older trad guys than young.
You know most, most young guyswant to.
You know, if they bow hunting,they want to compound hunt
because you know it's easier.
Nothing I mean, I'm the sameway.
I mean, oh yeah, when you pickup that thing it's just a whole

(42:48):
other game because you got toget close.
You know, really close 15 yards,20 yards on a whitetail yeah,
that's pretty good.
From 20 yards, close 15 yards,20 yards on a white tail yeah,
from 20 yards to 15 yards, say.
At 20 yards I'd say it could be50, 50 depending on the how the
deer's acting before you shoot,yeah, and at 15 yards you don't

(43:13):
do much missing.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
At 15, yeah, but at 20, a lot that different, that
five yards, a lot can go wrongso if somebody was getting into
this kind of hunting, how wouldyou tell them to get into it?
What's the first step?
Because you know, I know a lotof guys have tried it and gave
up on it.
So what makes a guy not give upon it?
Besides your, your drive ofjust doing it, because obviously

(43:33):
you build arrows, you do allthat.
So a lot of guys are going tobuy their equipment.
But you're special, you know.
I mean you stay with it.
So I mean.
So if you had any kind ofadvice to give to people to stay
into this hobby, what would youdo?
Just be patient.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I would tell them if you want to get into traditional
archery, find you someone thathas been doing it for a while
yeah, not someone who juststarted, but someone who's been
doing it for a while and andsnuggle up to them and be a
sponge.
Yeah, you know, you can go.
You can go watch all this stuffon youtube on how to shoot a

(44:15):
traditional bow, and the way youshoot a traditional bow is
whatever works for you, not whatworks for.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I see these shooting sideways horizontal Right right.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Yeah, I was going to bring that up too.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
So why do you?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
shoot a horizontal like that.
It's just what works when Idraw back.
That's just how it all lines up, I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
So there's not a certain way that you would do it
, just what's best fits you.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Whatever works for you.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
What you're comfortable with.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Do you have a reference Like do you aim or do
you instinctively aim, you know,because I know there's guys
that do both.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Since I started this YouTube stuff, I've noticed that
a lot of my shots are really Imean, literally fast.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, Fast acting is fast quick.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
So you know, when I first started I was a hundred
percent looking down my arrow.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
But now you're more used to shooting.
I mean, you've had a lot ofexperience doing it.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, Now you know, now I, I, I think I can do it
either way.
A lot of times after I shoot, Idon't really remember seeing a
point of my hair.
You know, it's just.
But the way I'm built, whenthis is all stretched out
completely, this is like that.
And when I know that fat partof my hand hits my cheek, I'm at

(45:29):
full drop.
That's the hardest thing forpeople to learn, because if
you're a half inch short, a halfinch long, that's a hardest
thing for people to learn,because if you're a half inch
short, a half inch long, that'sa couple pounds you know, that's
a, that's a change the wholefight.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
So.
I noticed, when you just didthat, the way you hit your hand
are you?
How are you holding the string?
Are you holding it with yourfingers?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
three, three fingers three fingers, three fingers
with a little leather tab oh soit's like a solid tab.
Yeah, just a piece of leatherjust to keep that 50, 55 pound
strain from eating your fingerup and you.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I guess you shoot with the uh knock of the arrow
on top of it and knocks on top.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I shoot three under the three under means three
under the knot, three under theknot.
So you're either gonna be athree under shooter or a split
finger, which means your topfinger is on top of the knot.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
You like that, probably eat your fingers up.
Pretty bad, huh.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I just don't like nothing touching my knot.
That's why I'm three under witha little nail knot on top and
the bottom of the knot and Idon't have nothing in contact
with the knot, you know yeah,because you hit it.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I mean, I imagine a release, since you're doing with
your fingers, can alter it.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Oh yeah one finger drag a little more than the
other, you don't come off clean.
Uh, yes, that's probably thehardest thing, really.
Yeah, so just being consistentis probably the number one thing
.
A consistent draw and aconsistent release, I'd say, are
the are the two biggest fact.
Then you get, you know, youfigure out if you're gonna try
to be an instinctive shooter, ifyou're gonna be a point on guy,

(47:06):
a gap guy, where you're lookingdown your arrow and saying, all
right, the top of my arrowneeds to be on that targets back
at 30 yards.
That's kind of how my setup, ifI'm shooting a target 30 yards.
I can lay that arrow up there ontop of that back and that's
going to drop right in there buton a deer.

(47:26):
That ain't the deer ain't gonnabe there 30, I don't even I'm
not shooting that deer over.
How many times have you misseda deer?
I missed one the other day.
That's the first one I missedthis year, really yeah, I mean,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I mean, I mean, how many times did you miss deer
before it became natural to you?

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I missed the first hunt ever.
I went on with a stick by shotover the same yearling three
times shot over its back, ayearling, yeah, yeah, that's why
I got three shots and I hadperfect when they come in.
I had two arrows left, hadn'tkilled a deer with a stick bow
yet, and I shot first time.

(48:07):
I shot over it and I was like,well, maybe I was a little amped
up, let me try this again.
Drawbacks right in the samespot and then it comes back in
there.
I was hunting over a feeder,comes back in there Like man,
something wasn't right, let metry.
And this time I really focused,made sure, yeah, right out the

(48:29):
fletching, hit the deer's back.
And how old were you then?
This is four years ago, oh wow,yeah, this is my first year
trad.
This is my first your first goat it.
I had two arrows left.
I said three strikes, I'm out,you live, you know yeah and then
the next deer.
I, my first trad deer, was amonster six point buck, I mean

(48:51):
20 inch inside spread reallyshot him at seven steps.
I was in a saddle and I was setup for my.
I saw him working a swamp edgeand I hit him with a just a loud
.
I hit him with a normal gruntfirst.
Then I hit him, didn't donothing, I hit him with just a
most obnoxious noise you couldblow on a grunt.

(49:13):
He stopped, made a scrape, peedin it and he walked.
He got about 20 yards from meand he postured up ears back.
I could see the hair raised onhis back and I was set up for my
shot right here to the left ofthe tree.
At the last minute he turnedand come this side.
I was so twisted up in thoseropes it was absolutely because

(49:38):
I literally come over to youknow yeah the bridge just a
absolute cluster.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
You had to put your hand in between the bridge.
Yeah, I've had to do that too.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Shot him at seven steps.
He run all and I knew I hit himback, but I knew he was
quartering away, so I was ingood shape.
I thought, and about that timea doe come out and I just power
drove her at 12 yards.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
She's just laying them down, they ain't knowing
them.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
So I'm walking back to the truck to get the sled for
the doe and there the buck lays, running right toward the truck
.
Lucky you I bet you were pumpedup, though hey, this spot was a
park in a Waffle House parkinglot, to hunt it Literally.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
You have a good time, don't?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
you.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Dude, that urban land man.
That's crazy.
I talk to people that go outthere and do it and they're like
man, you're all in there.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I just feel nervous walking out there yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I, I mean, I almost feel like it's.
I don't know, I was the sameway I feel you feel kind of like
like dirty, almost I shouldn'tbe here right now.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I mean it.
It takes some getting used toto stand there.
I shot that deer.
The first time I ever urbanhunted was with a compound.
My buddy walks me.
He said we pull up and there'sa holiday inn and a waffle house
and they share the same parkinglot and he's like all right now
, be quiet going in here, youknow I'm gonna take you in here

(51:05):
this first time and we walkeddown the slope on back of the
park.
There's a big swamp in thereand, uh, we walked down the
slope.
He, he steps on these trashcans, you know, like aluminum
cans or plastic bottles, makesall kind of racket and I'm like
what are you trying to sabotageme?
We take about 10 more steps andget in the stand.

(51:30):
I ain't 15 yards from theparking lot.
You can see the stand from theparking lot I'm like you have
got to be kidding me.
He said well, just get here andwait about 9 30 they show up
and we left.
We went back from atlanta thatmorning with five deer on the
back of his truck that's crazy.
He killed three.

(51:50):
I killed two man right there inthe parking yeah, he was about
a mile from me.
He killed a really nice eightthat morning.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Those deer get used to that.
Yeah, they get used to all thepeople and they feel safe.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
That's why you don't want to.
You know you don't want to.
You can't get deep in thoseurban yards.
You want to get in on the edge.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Really.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, where they're used to kind of seeing a little
activity, because if you try toget in there deep then they're
not used to seeing that, yeah,they're you know, and it's
different, and then then theyget all nuts you know it's like
a car driving by the deer don'tmove.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, you stop the car and deer moves and you you
can y'all think I'm crazy when Itell you this, but I swear you
can walk out there in regularclothes and but you put on camo.
I don't know what it is, man,it's like you become a predator.
It's nuts.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
yeah explain what you're talking, explain, explain
what yeah, definitely break itdown.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
So because I mean am I, am I wearing the wrong camo?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I mean, I mean these deer used to like those places
where you see me, like literallyin somebody's backyard.
Yeah, those deer used to likethose places where you see me
like literally in somebody'sbackyard.
Yeah, those deer used to seeingpeople back right regular
clothes right, yep, all right.
But it's like if you put oncamo and walk back there, you're
like a predator, you're talkinglike you changing like yes yes,
so I'll.

(53:10):
I'll do this for a couplereasons.
You know and know, and some ofthat.
You know this I don't know howmany people have talked about
this or not.
I probably that might shouldhave just kept this to myself,
but a lot of times I will wear aregular shirt to my stand and
if the deer see me they're likeoh, he ain't supposed to be that

(53:32):
.
You know, that's a little odd alittle weird.
But also, if people see me theydon't think nothing about it,
right, when I shimmy up the tree, pull the camouflage shirt open
.
You know well, it works, toowell, it works for deer, yeah, I
mean.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
But I mean, it's amazing what you can get away
with, because the people I meanyou're you're legally hunting
these areas, but the peopledon't know it and just bug the
crap out of you yeah, I mean,they don't think you probably
could try to call a wall?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
just you want to keep it low-key.
Yeah, the less people that know, the better off you are.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, that's right and uh I can, I, I can see that.
Yeah, you don't want somebodystaring at you at the window.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Hey, oh you know my buddy shot one last year and it
went over there and died insomebody's backyard with the
arrow poking right out of it.
Now you talk about causing ashow.
That's bad.
Yeah, lost the spot over it.
Really, that spot was great.
There's no more.
Why did he lose a spot over him?
Because they raised so muchheck, yeah, but that did go to

(54:31):
the homeowner and you know youget one ruffled up in the
neighborhood.
Then next thing you know theydon't want to deal with all that
drama so they just cut you offthe hunt you know, is that
happening a lot now, or youthink it's that's the first time
I've.
I've lost a spot because of thatsince, and I mean I hadn't been
doing it long.
I started in 2018, 2019, right,right, right, but, but you,

(54:56):
those urban spots, come and go.
That's why it's kind of hard tolet you know you, they sell
them.
Why do you hunt urban, though?
Because I like seeing deerevery time I go.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Sit, okay, and it's target rich environment so it's
so, it's a, because you see deer.
Yeah, you don't have publicland to hunt or you don't have,
I do, I mean.
But you just like the challengeof urban hunting I like it.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I like because I know I'm going to see something 99%
of the time.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Because you're going to shoot the first thing that
walks in.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I might you might.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
You dropped the hammer, huh.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Until this, might you , might you drop the hammer huh,
till this year.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Absolutely, you learned a lesson, didn't you?
This year I've been moreselective.
You're learning a lesson, yeah,hey, next year you're going in
with a different game plan.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
You're gonna yeah, you're gonna come back next time
on the podcast, hey guys.
Hey, I just ate a tag 150 lordwilling.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I'm gonna show y'all that deer next year yeah I hope
you do that.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
He's to be a monster.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I hope you kill him.
He's going to blow up.
He's at that age when theyreally blow you know, I think
he's about A four year old rightnow, four to five.
He's got good mass on him too,and that palmatian, yeah yeah.
He carries his mass out goodand he broke off.
His main beams broke right now.
Yeah, so I surely know aboutshooting where's that buck at?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
you got that buck pinned on the neighborhood, or
oh yeah, yeah.
So usually you find a good deerin urban.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
They usually don't go nowhere well they, they do roam
a lot they do yeah especiallyduring the rut.
I mean they really you havesomebody down the road running
cameras, two, three miles, thatbig six point.
I told you I killed my firsttrad deer.
Buddy of mine had a picture ofhim like two miles from there,

(56:40):
like six hours before.
I shot him same deer, and therewasn't no no doubt about it was
him, I mean, big old monsterwas he running like a finger or
something.
Yeah, they run.
I call them spaghetti noodles.
It's kind of like westernhunting, except instead of creek
, you know, instead of fencerows and hedge rows, it's these

(57:00):
you're hunting neighborhoodalleys, green spaces.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
You know, yeah, uh, what they call them creek uh,
buffer zones right, yeah, likeif you got a creek running in
between two neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
You know, that's where you're gonna be hunting
strip of woods yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, I mean, obviously it's where deer's
going to be.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Deer's going to move from point A to point B and
there's a jagged line of woods.
He's going to have to go downthe woods.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
You ever hunt out of a?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
playhouse or something.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
No, I haven't, but my buddy has have really yeah, he,
he actually hunted out of theplayhouse really swing sit there
.
A matter of fact, he had atrail camera on the the leg of
the slide.
Oh, that's funny that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Like, yeah, that's crazy, that's so funny.
Did he kill a deer out of theplayhouse?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
oh yeah, oh wow.
What's crazy is when they comeout and start swinging their
kids too lot the day on thefront of me and you're sitting
in a tree.
That is funny that's when you'relike, oh, I mean there's, you
can't get mad at it becauseyou're like, there's times this
year on that one spot that Ihunted that I could.
I had deer in there on me and Icouldn't shoot them because

(58:07):
people are out in new york and Ididn't want a deer running.
So I said, well, I'm not goingto get in that stand, that
particular stand, until an hourbefore.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
So you're hunting an acre like a half-acre lot.
Yeah, okay, so you're hunting ahalf-acre lot on someone's
property?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, a couple places .

Speaker 3 (58:23):
The smallest place I got is that yeah so once a deer
comes onto the half-acre orquarter-acre, you're shooting.
Yeah, I got acre or quarteracre, you're shooting yeah, I
got you and that's if the deerruns off of the quarter acre.
Whatever, you gotta getpermission to get the deer.
Yeah, and that's when it turnsinto.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
That's when you can, that's when you lose a spot you
know.
That's why you, you don't needthem go, they need to go down in
sight.
Some of those places I won'teven hunt in the mornings at all
and I only hunt them during theweek in the afternoons so why
do you like to hunt in asituation where it's all that
stress I?
Don't know, it's just somethingabout it there's something

(58:59):
about it.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I think that he just, he just loves to hunt, like my,
like what I, what I see here.
You just love to hunt, you'vealways loved to hunt, and this
is just a more challenging wayto do it.
Yeah, it's more a more game.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I mean that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Traditional way, but then again it's not traditional
because you're in a neighborhood, but what you're using is
traditional Andrew and Sika,which isn't traditional.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
You got all kinds of conflict.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I mean you're like a cowboy hipster.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
He's like pimping out like a thousand1,000 outfit
with a homemade bow.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
He's making his own arrows.
I mean that dude's legit.
He just used the word low-key.
You know what I mean.
I'm like I can't get a read onthis guy.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah, he's everywhere .
I seen a dude walking down theneighborhood wearing Sika and he
had a recurved bow.
Yeah, that's legit.
Call 911.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, turkey Fe.
That's legit call 911.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, turkey feather arrows, but that one spot, like
I say I won't, I won't hunt itexcept, you know, during the
week afternoons.
Only that way you just loweryour risk of conflict with
somebody.
So do you fish?
Oh, yeah, yeah I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I'm gonna do a whole lot.
Do you fly fish?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
yeah, we're asking all kinds of questions.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Okay, we're fascinated that ain't my main
flight, the main thing I like tofish for is crappy and and cat
catfish now yeah I got a buddylives in here in savannah.
We go down there and catchthose speckled trout and reds no
yeah yeah, cool, we're gonna,we're gonna, we're gonna make
some videos with that, with mynew boat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Uh whacking on him.
You're a prime example of justan uh well-rounded outdoorsman
just a country boy that's havinga good time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You're very humble, you build your own, you're
making your own sport,challenging to yourself, and you
don't give a shit what anybodythinks of you.
So I mean you're rocking sickwith a homemade bow in
neighborhoods.
I mean dude, you're like a FredBear.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Like a hipster cowboy , fred Bear.
It's pretty neat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
It's pretty cool man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
You got everything going on man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I had guys in my comments on some stuff this year
like I can only imagine love.
I really loved everything youdid till you killed a deer over
bait oh man I'm and you lost methere.
I'm like, well, so long I can'ttell a difference in the way to
meet taste thanks for watching.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Thanks for your comment.
That's how I deal with it.
Yeah, he cares what you comment.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Oh, a hater's going to hate me.
I'm sure you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, when you put yourself out there, you better
be ready.
Oh, I get hate on all the time.
I mean it's ridiculous.
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Well, man, it's awesome to talk to you and get
you on the podcast.
I can't wait to see you outthere in the swamp we meet all
kinds of people in this podcast,but you're definitely y'all
gotta get to georgia man oh,we're gonna go shoot some deer
on a, on a trampoline orsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Well, I mean, we're gonna jump on a trampoline,
shoot that thing.
Yeah, hey, listen.
What's cool about it is we canlike eat waffle house lost that
spot oh, he lost the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Golly mcdonald's mcdonald's available uh, I don't
have any restaurants anymore innone of my spots.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
I got a golf course just imagine, though, imagine
sitting out there at the wafflehouse.
You can see the wood, you cansee where you're hunting.
You get the window seat, thenice window seat where you can
see your spot, and you're justlike go ahead and checking it
out, doing a little bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Just leave you both and you and your overalls
hanging in the tree and walkingto waffle house and then come
back.
That's right that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
It's crazy um well, it's crazy how animals adapt to
the, the people in the cities,and it is.
It's really good I know we'rejust laughing, having a good
time, you know but it is reallycrazy that you can actually go
in neighborhoods and kill deerConsistently.
You think they just run offinto the wild to stay hidden,

(01:02:58):
but they've learned to come outtowards the people.
That's where they're safest.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
How everything's reversed.
You know, you see somebody withthe fences around their trees
and the mesh over their back.
Yeah, you know that, that'swhat you're looking for
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Yeah, he's riding down the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Seriously, man with your flowers?
Are your flowers being harassedby the deer?
Yeah, no, no, because I can'tget rid of them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
He's like man.
I've noticed you got yourgarden wrapped up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
You got a deer problem, I would drag equipment
to Atlanta for three years tograde these aggravating pool
decks on these mansions.
You know they did all thegrading for the pools concrete,
and the only reason I put upwith all that aggravation of the
traffic and hauling is to tryto get some more permission.
Yeah, I mean literally it's ananimal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
You enjoy it absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Animal you enjoy it.
For sure they come out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
The first thing I ask them is how you feel about the
deer now that I'm here on myquiver and you're easy to talk
to too.
So it's not like you know.
I mean, me and brandon went tokansas and we knocked on some
doors, go turkey hunting andsometimes it's hard to talk to
people like, hey, can we killturkeys on your property?
You know, but you know you arepretty easy to talk to, so it
comes natural my wife's told mefor years I need to be a

(01:04:18):
salesman I believe that, Ibelieve she's right why,

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
well james, this is awesome man man, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
It's good to meet.
It's gonna be a fun podcast.
It is gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I can't wait to see what you do out there in the
swamp and, uh, I hope we killthem last two does and enjoy
your boat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I can't wait to see what you do out there in the
swamp and I hope we kill them.
Last two does Enjoy your boat.
I can't wait to get that boatbloody.
I got an urban spot that I canaccess by river now and not have
to deal with any other.
You going to send us pictures,send you a video, all right,
send us a video, that would beawesome.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Heck, yeah, man.
Well, I think that wraps thisup, guys, make sure you like.

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